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March 28, 2022 - Knowledge Fight
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#663: July 24, 2003

Today, Dan and Jordan banish present day Alex from the show and jump to the past. In this installment, Alex explains "twists and subtwists," reveals the roots of the New Age movement, and gives strong evidence he's a sovereign citizen. Citations

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alex jones
18:27
d
dan friesen
43:30
j
jordan holmes
17:32
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steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
It's time to pray.
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
unidentified
Thanks for holding us.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
alex jones
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, this is dangerous.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
What's dangerous?
dan friesen
Well, it's mustard.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
Here's my bright spot.
jordan holmes
What about it?
dan friesen
Well, here's what's dangerous.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm thinking about doing a year of mustard.
jordan holmes
That is dangerous.
dan friesen
I have, for the last couple weeks, been getting just really invigorated with enjoying mustards.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I might have gotten a couple different varieties of mustard that are like, one of them is too mustardy.
unidentified
One's too mustardy.
dan friesen
But I love it.
jordan holmes
You love it.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
You love the extra mustard.
dan friesen
But it's so much mustard.
But it's delicious.
And I'm thinking about really trying to incorporate this into my personal brand.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just kind of like a mustard guy.
I think that is a kind of guy.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think Twitter will eventually say, new kind of guy just dropped.
Mustard guy.
dan friesen
Mustard guy.
Yeah, I don't know.
I feel like there's a lot to explore in terms of the world of mustard.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think I could get 69 mustards down.
But I've also learned my lesson from the seltzers, and I don't want to bite off more than I can chew.
But look, I'm going to put the world on notice.
I'm going to be eating a lot of mustard.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
You're going to eat a lot of mustard.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
It doesn't have to be a contest.
You can just love mustard.
dan friesen
But that's how my brain works.
jordan holmes
It is kind of how your brain works.
dan friesen
You need to turn things into a pageant of some sort.
Yes.
But yeah, a lot of mustard's coming.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
Yep.
How about you?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot?
My bright spot is we played Scattergories.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
We got together with...
dan friesen
Oh, a secondary bright spot based on your bright spot.
The moment when Sarah, our friend Sarah Shockey, opened up the taboo box that she had been wanting to play all night.
And you have lost the pieces of your taboo game.
jordan holmes
It's in a baggie somewhere.
dan friesen
But I'm sorry, I interrupted you.
jordan holmes
No, we got together with...
Close friends of the show, sister podcast, Marty and Sarah.
Uh, and, uh, played Scattergores, and it was, I have not played Scattergores in a long time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And it is a very fun game to play.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
And it was also the first time that I played it way too high to play a word game.
dan friesen
True, and it made, like, I was not high, because I don't usually partake that much in the weed, except for as a, like, I found some, uh, it helps with sleep a little bit.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
dan friesen
I have enjoyed some gummies for sleep purposes.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
Um, but speaking as the non-stoned person, Did you win?
I did.
But also, a little frustrating to try and argue whether or not words count with three stoned people.
unidentified
That is an experience that...
dan friesen
It's rare.
jordan holmes
It is rare.
dan friesen
In my life.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
And it will stay rare.
unidentified
In the future?
jordan holmes
It will never happen again?
dan friesen
No, I'll subject myself to it a bunch, probably, because you guys like the grass.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
We like the gorys.
jordan holmes
We like the gorys, buddy.
dan friesen
Oh, you guys like that, uh, that, uh, that, uh...
unidentified
Ah, fuck.
dan friesen
I can't even come up with another dorky way other than the grass.
jordan holmes
The rebel dangerous knight.
dan friesen
Um...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was a fun time.
jordan holmes
It was a great night.
dan friesen
Nice to play some games.
jordan holmes
Yep, it was a good bright spot.
dan friesen
Also, Codenames.
Played a little Codenames.
jordan holmes
Codenames, that's a fun game.
dan friesen
It is a delight.
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
We're gonna go back to the past because I'm putting Alex way back in timeout.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
So, after our last episode, I felt really shitty because...
I had given Alex too much of a benefit of a doubt about his medical condition that he was using to get out of his deposition.
On Friday, he got back on his show and announced that, hey, I just had a little sinus thing.
unidentified
Great.
jordan holmes
Good work.
dan friesen
Thanks, buddy.
I don't know what to believe, whether that's saving face about an actual medical condition that he has because he doesn't want...
The people to look at him as weak, or if it's a situation where the Connecticut case, the lawyers had already left, and now he knew he wasn't going to have this deposition he had to do, so now the facade can drop, and what have you.
But whatever the case, I felt a little bit like a mark, and that I had cared more than I should have.
jordan holmes
It is not the first time that this has occurred.
dan friesen
No, and it's kind of one of the downsides of, you know...
Trying to engage with the work of a liar.
Sometimes...
jordan holmes
You can never be sure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I resent it, and I'm not happy about it, so what I'm going to do...
Alex isn't going to be back in the present on our show until episode 666.
I'm banishing him.
jordan holmes
Eat it, Alex!
dan friesen
I'm banishing him from our show in the present.
jordan holmes
Until the devil returns.
dan friesen
Indeed.
I think that's fitting.
That is fitting.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So Alex in 2022 will return.
jordan holmes
The return of Satan.
dan friesen
On 666.
But until then, we are going to be doing other things.
We're going to have other types of episodes.
I have some fun stuff in mind.
jordan holmes
Ah, yeah.
dan friesen
And today we're going to be back in the past.
We're going to be doing an episode about...
July 24th, 2003, there's some nonsense, and then a massive revelation at the end.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
We're going to talk a little bit about 9-11, and then shocking nonsense.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
But before we do that, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Dee Dee, make a doo-doo.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Okay.
What was that?
jordan holmes
Sorry, I spaced out.
dan friesen
Were you smoking Cali weed?
jordan holmes
No, I was not!
I spaced out!
Sorry!
dan friesen
Next, my 401k is making that money off that heroin.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you very much!
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Joey Votto's biggest fan.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, affirm my wonkdom before the global nuclear holocaust.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
We made it.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
alex jones
Maybe.
dan friesen
We'll see you tomorrow.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's late.
dan friesen
Next, Daddy Shark.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Next, my name is Captain Poo King of Gravy.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
My liege.
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Also, we got a technocrat in the mix.
jordan holmes
Oh!
dan friesen
I had to say, before I say this name, I do not approve of this at all.
jordan holmes
You don't approve of me.
All right.
dan friesen
But thank you so much.
Knowledge Fight stays on during sex.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
I have risen above my enemies.
I might quit tomorrow, actually.
I'm just going to take a little breaky now.
A little breaky for me.
And then we're going to come back.
And I'm going to start the show over.
But I'm the devil!
I've got to be taken over here!
Fuck you!
Fuck you!
I got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World Order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit.
Maybe today should be my last broadcast.
Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.
Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again.
That's really what I want to do.
I never want to come back here again.
I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air.
I'll be better tomorrow.
dan friesen
He's not, and nor was he in the past.
unidentified
Ah, shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, but you know what is better than Alex?
jordan holmes
Listening to our show while having sex?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That's stuck in my brain for the rest of my life.
It scares me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Terrifying.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
No, but something that is great is we have a special birthday, happy birthday to send out to a very special policy wonk out there.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Okay.
dan friesen
So Huxley, your mother Stephanie reached out and wanted us to wish you a happy birthday.
And look, I don't know how else we could make this a really special birthday.
So I heard you're a big fan of John Oliver.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And so we actually got him to come in and wish you a happy birthday along with us.
jordan holmes
No way!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Holy cow!
I can't do a John Oliver.
unidentified
Damn it!
jordan holmes
Jordan!
You did a Kissinger impression.
unidentified
You can't do that one either.
jordan holmes
I can't do a John Oliver.
I can't do a Kissinger.
I'm a failure.
dan friesen
But you tried to do a Kissinger.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but that wasn't whenever it was an important moment for Huxley, and I didn't want to ruin it with a...
unidentified
Roy.
dan friesen
I wish this was a video.
Jordan, you did the weirdest fucking movement trying to get into character.
jordan holmes
I was trying.
You shrunk a little bit?
I was trying to do something to get into it.
I got nothing.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
Well, anyway, happy birthday, Huxley.
jordan holmes
Happy birthday, Huxley.
dan friesen
I tried to force Jordan to do an impression, and that's a gift for all of us.
jordan holmes
That's really close.
dan friesen
So, we're back in 2003, and here's another context drop from today's show.
unidentified
My relative has MS. He weighs 108 pounds.
alex jones
He's an Al-Qaeda member.
dan friesen
Wow.
unidentified
Whoa.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Whoa.
dan friesen
Rude.
jordan holmes
Did not see that coming.
dan friesen
So here is where the episode starts off.
We have our first narrative.
And I think one of the things that you're really going to notice about this is that Alex is really into talking about 9-11 on this episode.
alex jones
The big news poll shows many Germans see U.S. behind September 11th.
And I've seen similar major polls out of France, where about 60% of the public believes the U.S. government carried out 9-1-1.
That's 80-plus million people in that country.
And 60-plus percent believe the government did it.
Well, no, the government did it.
It's an absolute fact.
68% of Germans believe that they're being lied to by the press.
unidentified
A full 30% or people below 30, a large percent of those below 30 believe the government did it as well, 19% of those below 30. What statistic is being reported here?
jordan holmes
There was a poll of people in Germany.
dan friesen
But what was the statistic?
Like, you've listened to him describe it.
What was it?
jordan holmes
The United States did 9-11.
dan friesen
68% is something.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
30% is something.
Maybe 18, 19%.
I don't know.
I've listened to it a bunch of times, and I don't think if you listen to it once, you'd be able to tell what he's talking about.
Well, you know the general topic.
jordan holmes
Right.
He's saying that 70% of Germans believe that the United States did 9-11.
Am I correct in that?
dan friesen
No, you're not.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Because 68% is apparently the amount that think that the media isn't telling them the truth.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
About things.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
But it's unclear from listening to it what is which percent.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And then he says 30%, but that's actually people under 30. Yes.
So it's actually 19% of people under 30 think that the United States did 9-11.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How many people in France?
dan friesen
We'll get to that in a minute.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, like, if you listen to enough of Alex's show, you'll notice that oftentimes concrete stories are reported in ways that leave you completely unaware of what's actually being reported.
And I think that's intentional.
But leaving that aside, that clip includes a really interesting little tidbit that I think deserves attention.
In 2003, Alex is perfectly comfortable saying definitively that it's proven fact that the government did 9-11.
In the present day, when he's asked about it, Alex hedges his position and tries to pretend that, you know, he just had some questions about the official story.
jordan holmes
I was just asking questions.
dan friesen
In the past, he'll say that he knows the name of the perpetrators like everybody in the organization.
But you flash forward to today, and he would never make that type of claim.
Or, like, put himself in a position where he's like, I will name names.
I've talked about this a little bit in the past, the idea of wet concrete.
How the immediate aftermath of an event is essentially wet concrete where you can make an impression in it very easily, but if you wait for the concrete to dry, it's really hard to get your narrative to make a dent.
You can't write your name in the sidewalk.
This is a very large part of why people like Alex really try to spam their theories hard and fast.
But there's a side aspect of this dynamic where, in order to make your immediate theories seem more convincing to people in those early times, you have to be completely emphatic in your certainty.
People are looking for answers, and you seem like a bad source of answers if you present your theories as possibilities that you can't prove.
You have to push them as if you have a rock-solid case, or else you run into the risk of your audience searching for someone else to give them the impression of that certainty that they need in order to comfort them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
As time goes on, this position needs to soften because, as is always the case with these kinds of conspiracy theories, eventually the foundation of your narratives just fall apart and it becomes too obvious that there was no basis for your certainty in the first place.
Like, it's no good to be certain ten years after the fact when everything looks stupid.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
But the way that this works is...
jordan holmes
It's just different tones of voice of, trust me.
Depending on where you are in the relationship.
At the beginning, it's, trust me!
You've got to trust me!
I'm so right!
And then ten years later, it's like, yeah, but you can trust me!
I know, but you can trust me!
That kind of thing.
dan friesen
Sure.
There's an unspoken agreement between the conspiracy theorist and their audience, where the theorist satisfies the emotional need for certainty that the audience is looking for, and the audience conveniently forgets later that the things that the theorist was certain about were bullshit.
it.
unidentified
Without this status quo, a show like Alex's could not exist.
dan friesen
If Alex didn't provide that certainty, his audience would find him weak.
If his audience held him to his past positions and demanded he explain how this certainty about things waned, Alex wouldn't be able to do the show that he does, and thus he'd be unable to provide the audience with that comfort and certainty that they need next
And thus, definitive positions will be taken that are quietly disowned later, and the audience will get ready to unquestioningly believe the next definitive position They don't!
jordan holmes
And it's like, if you can't let the virus in if you choose that the energy needs to stay outside of you.
Everybody knows this.
dan friesen
That was more of a Carrie thing.
But yeah, this dynamic, I think, is really going to be something that you see pretty clearly in this episode, I think.
Just like the definitiveness of stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's like, you don't believe that.
jordan holmes
Right.
I mean, that is really great as far as showing you what it is that Infowars really sells.
They sell the feeling of, oh, somebody knows what's going on.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
They sell that feeling.
dan friesen
The feeling of order.
Right.
unidentified
Essentially.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
There's some comfort you can take, despite the world being horrible, which you already knew it was, there's some comfort in knowing that this man has a grasp on it.
dan friesen
Well, not only that he has a grasp on it, but because of that grasp that he has, what he's describing is a world that is run by sort of A to B to C to D predictable events and everything.
There's no chaos or randomness.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There's no, like...
People who have different interests that sometimes align and sometimes don't.
There's none of that chaos.
The world works in a comforting way if there is a giant conspiracy that runs everything.
jordan holmes
Right, because it's simple.
Inexplicably, the more complicated and complex the conspiracy is, the more simple it makes people feel like life is.
Because, look.
You can just do it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that's a large part of the certainty and the comfort that Alex sells.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
But the price is looking like an idiot eventually for...
unidentified
Well, that too.
dan friesen
But we didn't know that in 2003.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So you were asking about France.
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
This has got to be upsetting the globalists to have more and more people aware of who carried out those attacks.
And by the way, the numbers are much higher than what you see in these polls.
I mean, over in France, they write books about 9-1-1 and government involvement and sell, you know, 30 million copies.
There's only 80-something million people in the country, folks.
dan friesen
At this point, France's population was closer to 61 million people, which seems like me being a little nitpicky, but, like, Alex is, like, 20 million people off.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's 33% off.
That's not rounding up.
dan friesen
No.
So this book he's talking about is called Le Frayable Imposteur, or The Horrifying Fraud.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Which is released in English under the title 911, The Big Lie.
Since its release, the book has been roundly and comically debunked, and its author, Thierry Messon, is not taken seriously by anybody who recognizes his name.
A May 2002 article in Time Europe claims that the book had spent six weeks at the top of the French bestseller list, which is no small feat.
That's fairly impressive for a book, and I think that's the basis for Alex's outrageous claim that it sold 30 million copies.
That number is fucking insane, and a June 2002 article, which is after It would have spent six weeks on the top of the charts.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This article from June 2002 in CNN puts the sales figure at 200,000.
jordan holmes
See, it was either that or I believe, I remember this book being right there released next to Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, I think.
Like the same level of...
dan friesen
30 million people, like 30 million books sold in France.
Like, you gotta consider how many people are under the age of 18. That suggests that they've turned that book into their national currency.
I would be surprised if it sold 30 million globally.
jordan holmes
I would be surprised if it sold...
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Alex could say the real number, and it would be impressive if you know anything about, like, book sales or the French book market, but he's aware that his audience isn't going to be dazzled unless the number just jumps off the page.
In addition to that, it's really important for Alex to make the image appear to be that people who believe the things Infowars reports are the majority in the world.
jordan holmes
They are legion.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just because you don't see any of them on your daily basis doesn't mean that they're not everywhere.
dan friesen
Well, right, but that's why it's harder to make that perception stick when you're talking about the United States.
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Oh, totally.
Yes.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's easier to convince your audience that, like, basically France is a hotbed of 9-11 troopers.
jordan holmes
Fuck it.
Luxembourg is in France.
dan friesen
Luxembourg, France.
jordan holmes
Luxembourg, France.
unidentified
Indeed.
jordan holmes
They love that one.
dan friesen
Oh, my God.
They're full of patriots.
jordan holmes
Unbelievable.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, Alex, like, all right, we got French book numbers.
We got a German...
Poll that Alex is reporting weirdly.
jordan holmes
Well, there's an incontrovertible proof there.
dan friesen
But fuck that noise.
You don't need any of that stuff.
jordan holmes
I don't need any of that?
dan friesen
Alex has done his own polling.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
alex jones
Well, let me tell you.
I've done my own little poll nationwide on over a thousand AM and FM stations that I've been interviewed on.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
As a guest.
Some of them syndicated.
Some of them little mom and pop AM.
Some of them big 50,000 watt blowtorches in New York.
Rhode Island or KOA or KFI, I mean, L.A., Denver, you name it.
A lot of you have heard me on those shows, and I'll be on the big ones for two hours.
Prime time, middle of the night, in the morning, in the afternoon, doesn't matter.
Open the phones.
They'll take 30 calls.
Everybody agrees but one person.
They'll say I should be arrested and I should be killed.
I mean, you've heard them on the air.
You should be killed.
You're a traitor.
If I ever see you, I'll kill you.
I get emails like that.
You're working with Al-Qaeda.
Because I expose that our government is Al-Qaeda and controls Al-Qaeda and is not our government and is carrying out the attacks.
dan friesen
So that's not scientific.
I don't know what conclusions you can draw from the type of calls you get when you guest on radio shows.
jordan holmes
I mean, I like the idea of calling that doing a little poll.
I did a little poll over the past, I don't know how long, for whatever length of time, to whatever number of people on several radio stations that may or may not exist.
dan friesen
And I found that one out of 30 people in America want to kill me.
jordan holmes
It's like, what are we talking about?
dan friesen
Dumb.
Very dumb.
jordan holmes
Did you research what his actual poll results were?
dan friesen
No.
I didn't, because I don't think that I could ever find these podunk radio show, these no-name-ass radio shows that he's been on.
I don't think those things have made it into the digital age.
jordan holmes
It doesn't sound like he went to Pew, I'll tell you that.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
But look, I say it's not scientific, but Alex kind of, I mean, he draws a lot of meaning from the calls that he gets on other people's radio shows.
alex jones
I mean, I just hope the globalists realize that, that they can lie all day and put their spin out all day and they can blow more stuff up and kill more people, and we hope they don't, and tell us how they're saving us and telling us we need to love them.
They can put the gun to our head of terrorism and say, capitulate to tyranny, or it's over.
But I'm here to tell you, a lot of people are afraid to stand up in church and talk about it, and they're afraid to stand up in their classroom and talk about it, and they're afraid to talk about it in the grocery store.
But when I'm on 1,000-plus interviews, it's well over 1,000 now, multiple interviews a day in the last 23 months since September 11th.
And I did hundreds of interviews before that, probably 500, 600 in all the years before that, and things have just accelerated since then.
And think about that.
You talk about a poll.
They call a big poll 5,000 people or 1,002 people.
All these different polling numbers we see.
dan friesen
The difference between a good and bad poll is all down to methodology.
The number of participants is definitely one of the factors, but it's much more important that the variables are controlled correctly and you end up with a representative sampling of the population, which is something that Alex's dumb radio interview poll doesn't capture at all.
jordan holmes
Doesn't seem to.
dan friesen
There's a selection bias, first of all, for who asks Alex to be on their shows, what types of shows are these, what types of audience is probably listening to a show that would have Alex on as a guest.
jordan holmes
What type of person would...
Right.
dan friesen
There's a lot of confounding variables here.
jordan holmes
I would say they might be skewed results.
dan friesen
You bet.
Interestingly though, there's one conclusion you absolutely can draw from Alex's telling of this story, and that is that 9-11 was the best thing that ever happened to him from a career perspective.
He went from not really that many people being interested in interviewing him to people banging down the doors to have him on.
And that's because he claimed a level of confidence and assuredness in the position he was putting forward, which made him interesting.
He wasn't saying that he questioned the mainstream narrative of 9-11.
He wasn't saying there were anomalies.
He wasn't saying that he had doubts.
Those positions would be boring.
He was saying loudly and into a bullhorn that it was definitively proven that Bush and his administration did 9-11 and the planes were remote controlled.
He had all the evidence dead to rights.
alex jones
They don't even debate it!
dan friesen
That makes a person stand out.
And when it's someone who has a clear, inherent set of chops like Alex has, this can lead to a little bit of a media windfall.
And that's exactly what happened.
People were confused and trying to make sense of a national tragedy that's ended up affecting the entire world, and Alex is there bombastically offering answers.
They're lies, but it hardly matters.
Now, the reason that I bring this up is because it's no longer profitable for Alex to be certain about 9-11.
It was in 2002 and 2003.
In fact, at that point, being uncertain probably would have been a detriment to Alex's brand.
And this is exactly what you see with him in the present day.
He's all but disowned pretty much all of the insane bullshit he was pushing back then.
You're never gonna hear him try to sell a loose change DVD on his show or talk about how the hijackers are still alive.
That stuff he pretends wasn't a part of making his career because that would actually be shameful for him to admit.
He never could prove any of that stuff, but because it got him more attention, Alex represented himself as someone who could prove it all.
He manipulated people in the aftermath of a huge tragedy for his own profit, and once it was no longer profitable to sell those lies, he moved on and pretended he'd never said that stuff to begin with, it began lying about another tragedy.
Alex's career is rooted in tragedy profiteering.
The most notable events in his career, the things that put him on a national stage, all of them were things where he was lying about something painful to someone else.
Oklahoma City, 9-11, Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing, the Aurora Batman shooting.
All of these are events where Alex sold his completely made-up story in the immediate term, and then now doesn't want to be judged by what he sold.
And I don't accept that, and no one should.
It's total bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yep, absolute fucking nightmare.
unidentified
Yeah, not what a good person would do, huh?
jordan holmes
It is odd, like...
It is so fucked up about the way that our media culture is just geared.
Like, it is geared towards making a man like Alex Jones a star.
That is, I mean...
As you were saying, making those claims immediately makes him interesting.
People want to go talk to him.
dan friesen
Think about the Terry Mason, the guy who wrote that French book.
It's definitive claims.
It's saying, I know I can prove all of this stuff, and then you get six weeks at the top of the bestseller list.
It's kind of hacking that attention thing that we accidentally built.
jordan holmes
Right, right, because it's more interesting than...
You know.
Nuance or confusion or just a blanket acceptance of, like, oh, yeah, this is a series of random occurrences.
dan friesen
Turn on, like, NPR, All Things Considered, and they'll be, like, talking about a story with an expert, like, yeah, it's possible.
jordan holmes
Exactly, yes, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I'm going to bed.
jordan holmes
We can see that being one way, or we could see it being the other way.
dan friesen
Oh, God, I'm listening to this, and then fucking Garrison Keillor's coming on later.
unidentified
I'm out of here.
dan friesen
I'm going to turn on Alex.
jordan holmes
I know!
No, it's right!
Okay, I'm listening.
dan friesen
This is satisfying.
jordan holmes
I cannot stop.
dan friesen
So look, there's a lot of people out there in the world who believe that 9-11 was a charade.
jordan holmes
Especially in France.
dan friesen
And Germany.
jordan holmes
That's true.
alex jones
By the way, Germany's technology minister, about 20 months ago, put out a report.
He didn't just make a statement.
And by the way, part of his report is in that George Humphrey audio book we offer on the shopping cart that you can get through to an Infowars.net and the 911.
dan friesen
I've got to stop this already.
His report is in the audiobook.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
All right.
I don't believe that you read the entire report in the audiobook.
alex jones
The German technology minister, and the guy's got all these awards.
I mean, he's got a head the size of a watermelon.
He's got like 170 IQ.
unidentified
He came out and he said it is impossible.
alex jones
The story is a fraud.
The military-industrial complex launched these attacks.
I have conducted a detailed analysis.
Well, so have we, and so have all these other engineers and hundreds of military officers and everybody else, including the Easter Bunny.
And it will be easier for me to fly to the moon by gluing feathers on my back.
jordan holmes
I'm not joking.
alex jones
I'm serious.
jordan holmes
I'm listening.
alex jones
It'll be easier for fire ants to build a rocket in your backyard and go to Mars than for all these things to happen that happen when you add them all together.
Okay?
dan friesen
He's serious.
jordan holmes
This is not a joke.
dan friesen
No, he's going to tape feathers on his back.
unidentified
This is serious.
jordan holmes
I'm going to put some fucking feathers on my back, man.
dan friesen
That wasn't a report that the technology minister did.
This is entirely based on an interview that Andreas von Bülow did with a German newspaper called Ta Spiegel.
It was published on January 13, 2002.
Von Bülow had been out of his position as the technology minister in Germany since 1982.
alex jones
Ooh!
jordan holmes
That's bad for a technology minister.
dan friesen
There's a lot of technology that happened between...
jordan holmes
A huge amount.
dan friesen
Yeah, that 18 years.
jordan holmes
There was like four.
dan friesen
More than 18 years.
21. He was definitely spouting 9-11 conspiracy theories, but he wasn't saying it from the position of certainty that Alex is claiming.
Again, Alex's game relies on creating the fake impression of certainty, and in order for this story to really pop for him, he needs to project that certainty onto all of his sources, including Von Bulo.
It's not enough to just say that he gave an interview where he said that he found it unthinkable that the hijackers could have pulled off the attack without intelligence.
Right.
jordan holmes
It can't be an old man far out of government going like...
Man, this is so crazy, it can't be true.
dan friesen
Also, my head is giant.
jordan holmes
And I got a huge head!
dan friesen
A major part of this, if you're Alex, is you need to cram certainty down your audience's throat.
You want them to think of themselves as questioning and skeptical, but in reality, the most dangerous proposition for you is the idea that they might actually start questioning things, like the things you're saying and...
Why are you so sure of this?
jordan holmes
It doesn't sound as...
dan friesen
You want the artificial air of questioning, not so much the reality.
jordan holmes
You want to give people the impression that they are smarter for not asking you questions.
dan friesen
Right.
And repeating the questions...
unidentified
That are dead ends that you say all the time.
dan friesen
Pat yourself on the back for that.
jordan holmes
You got it.
dan friesen
So, just to be clear, I think Alex now would love for everyone to believe that all he did was say, like, I had questions and, you know, I think the government let 9-11 happen.
jordan holmes
That's what he wants people to hear.
dan friesen
Now, that's not at all what he was saying.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's not good.
alex jones
Again, they can imprison people, they can kill people, they can try to intimidate folks.
Everyone is going to know that the government carried out September 11th.
It isn't like Pearl Harbor where they let it happen and attack Japanese submarines that morning.
unidentified
Okay, so they did it.
dan friesen
It was an active thing.
jordan holmes
So now Pearl Harbor was not a false flag.
dan friesen
No, it was.
jordan holmes
It was, but it was a real event that could have been stopped, but was allowed to happen, so it might as well have been a false flag.
Whereas with 9-11, George W. got in that fucking plane, remote controlled it.
dan friesen
Remote controls is probably more like Chaney.
Alex is pretty focused on Chaney because he wrote that document that he didn't write.
So, yeah.
I think that this would be a tough thing for Alex to stand behind in the present day.
jordan holmes
Well, in the years since, it has not come out, and we are not all convinced that the United States government did it.
dan friesen
A shocking number of things that were in the documentary that he produced, Loose Change, it's come out that they are not true.
That has come out.
jordan holmes
A shocking number.
I mean, the only thing that was true was directed by...
dan friesen
Jason Burmus.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
He did.
dan friesen
So, you can't kill the truth, though.
And Alex has a list of some folks who may be trying.
jordan holmes
We're trying to kill the truth, of course.
dan friesen
There's one person who's conspicuous in their absence.
unidentified
Ah.
dan friesen
The devil.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
alex jones
Let them keep lying.
Let them keep licking their lips and reading out the teleprompters and all their neocon scams and lying liberal New World Order scams.
And you know what?
They're going to do even more horrible things to make us love them, to pose as our saviors.
But the genie's out of the bottle, Pandora's box is open, and the truth...
You can't kill it.
It isn't going to go away.
You just watch.
No matter how horrible the stuff is you pull, boys, no matter how bad it gets, more people are going to blame you because you are the enemy combatants.
You are the terrorists.
You are the usurpers.
You are the overthrowers of the republic.
You are the traitors and the seditious enemy.
Agents of the private corporation, the crime syndicate known as the New World Order.
dan friesen
It's interesting.
As I was listening to that, I was thinking that it may be true that you can't kill the truth, but apparently what will do the trick in terms of killing something being presented as truth is for Alex to decide it's not profitable to pretend it's the truth anymore.
These globalists don't need to do anything nefarious to get Alex to stop covering something.
They just have to wait until his audience gets bored of it and he moves on to another subject.
They just need to wait until the theories he's presented as definitively proven are so embarrassingly debunked that he...
He needs to pretend he never believed that stuff to begin with.
That's the trick.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Wait him out.
He'll get bored.
dan friesen
Or his audience will just demand something new and exciting, and they're not excited by that thing anymore.
So that rant about the enemy was nice at the end, though.
Like, it's weird that these folks don't seem to be working for the devil.
jordan holmes
Not anymore.
dan friesen
Just to...
Good old fashioned banking cartel with human motivations and human plans.
jordan holmes
Yeah, good days.
dan friesen
It's almost like you wouldn't have to really be that crazy to buy into this stuff back then.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Kind of like he's...
Really getting you on the hook.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
A banking cartel causing problems.
Very real.
Not only not surprising, almost certainly happening constantly.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Totally.
Now, recognizing that secretly he believes that it's a battle between angels and demons and supernatural forces.
jordan holmes
The devil controlling JPMorgan Chase does not sound true to me.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But who knows?
dan friesen
Fannie Mae.
Freddie Mac.
alex jones
All the devil.
jordan holmes
All evil.
dan friesen
So a lot of this show is calls.
Alex has no guests on this.
This call was fun.
This guy wants to know what's going on.
You got inside sources.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Tell me what's going on.
Help us out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's reasonable.
That's a reasonable question.
dan friesen
Alex does not have a good answer.
unidentified
Oh.
Yeah, hi, Alex.
How are you doing?
alex jones
Pretty good, my friend.
unidentified
All right.
Let me ask you, do you have any impression or maybe some of your...
jordan holmes
I can't do John Oliver.
unidentified
...or whomever, maybe some of these high-level, maybe mid-level minions are getting cold feet?
alex jones
Well, they are.
I mean, I don't have specifics because I can't give you specifics in the places that I have specifics.
What?
They've been all over the news blowing the whistles.
What I'm saying is I can't give you the people I know personally deep inside government because they're sources, but I can tell you about Robert Wright at the National Press Club on C-SPAN.
dan friesen
Oh, cool.
jordan holmes
I can tell you about the C-SPAN guy.
dan friesen
I can tell you about something I saw on C-SPAN.
I can't tell you anything inside that I totally...
It's totally real that I have all these sources.
jordan holmes
I know all of it.
dan friesen
But I can tell you about a book talk that I saw.
jordan holmes
I know your question was, are minions getting cold feet?
dan friesen
Wait, are we talking about the yellow guys?
jordan holmes
Which, considering Despicable Me has not come out yet.
Uh-huh.
It's gotta be different.
dan friesen
Stepped on your minions joke, I'm sorry.
jordan holmes
Anyways, no, you're doing great.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Kevin was one of the minions, right?
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
dan friesen
Gru is a character, huh?
jordan holmes
Gru is a character.
Which character?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I haven't seen those movies.
jordan holmes
What'll happen?
dan friesen
So, look, Alex doesn't even want to talk to sources, really.
Why would you?
It's dangerous.
jordan holmes
They're exhausting.
dan friesen
Right.
And plus, everything is so obvious.
9-11, obvious.
jordan holmes
It's open source.
alex jones
But frankly, it's been duplicated so many times, I don't even want to talk to them anymore.
It's dangerous for me.
It's dangerous for them.
We know who did it.
The evidence, the primal patient evidence, it's like going to a crime scene that's an orgy of evidence, as they say.
jordan holmes
Who?
alex jones
And you've got the killer there at the dinner table eating the body of the person they killed.
Sure.
And they've shot 500 hours of video of it.
It's ridiculous.
It's an orgy of evidence.
Which I actually have pierced the veil on psychological warfare parameters.
I believe it's actually a judo move by high-level Illuminati that this is meant to come out.
And at a certain level, we're empowering the Illuminati on this broadcast.
We're conscious of this.
Do you know how we're empowering?
Do you know how we're empowering the Illuminati?
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
Joe?
Okay, let me tell you how we're empowering the Illuminati.
dan friesen
I'm worried.
jordan holmes
Let me tell you how we're empowering the Illuminati.
unidentified
I don't know what's going on anymore.
jordan holmes
Where is this going?
I've pierced the psychological veil behind this orgy evidence that is going to fuck up all of the people who...
Oh boy, what was the plan again?
dan friesen
Also, 500 hours of footage of someone eating somebody.
That's too long.
jordan holmes
That's too long.
dan friesen
I don't know if it would take that long to eat somebody or if the meat would stay fresh.
Probably be bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Um, look.
jordan holmes
What's cook time?
dan friesen
Also, I love this.
Like, I don't even want to meet with them.
And they're like, now in the present, like, I meet with Columbus all the time.
jordan holmes
I know.
I don't even, listen, I don't even want to meet with someone.
dan friesen
I have so many great meetings where we have caviar and they tell me I'm great.
jordan holmes
It's dangerous.
dan friesen
I have conversations at the adult table.
Not like you little babies who think dumb things.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
No.
Oh, I know psychological warfare things about how we're empowering the Illuminati.
jordan holmes
Sell me on this.
dan friesen
All right, I'll try.
unidentified
Sell me on this.
dan friesen
I mean, look, there's two aspects of it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Here's sort of the first one.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
Number one, we are engaging in revelation of the method and mass desensitization to an overall horror that the subconscious is already aware of, so we are being allowed to do this to introduce it.
So that there is not a mass insanity that then causes a break into open rebellion.
Now, that's on one level.
But, again, it's overheating their system, and there is a sub-twist in the twist, and it's blown up in their face.
Ha, ha, ha.
Now, this is very dangerous.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The sub-twist in the twist.
jordan holmes
There's a sub-twist in the twist.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
It's like a kick-flip McTwist.
jordan holmes
What?
Unbreakable came out in 2000, right?
Something like that?
dan friesen
Right, right.
Okay, so do you understand what he's talking about at all?
Can you translate that?
jordan holmes
I believe that what he's saying is that by telling people what the Illuminati is doing, and people not really being able to do anything to stop it, we are desensitizing them to the need to stop it.
dan friesen
No.
Okay.
I mean, that's an interesting thought, but no, that's not what he's saying.
He's saying that intuitively, on a subconscious level, everybody out in the world already knows in their bones and in their spirit what the Illuminati is doing.
jordan holmes
Right.
See, but that's not true.
dan friesen
Fine.
I'm just telling you what Alex is saying.
So, everyone understands that, and what Alex is doing is revealing the method.
So he's putting to conscious mind what unconscious mind already knows.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Right?
So he's telling everybody all this stuff, which is actually a favor to the globalists, because then once the prestige happens...
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The sub-twist.
No, that's the twist.
jordan holmes
No, the twist is...
dan friesen
The sub-twist is Alex's games.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Okay.
dan friesen
So once the prestige happens and there's the revelation of what the globalists are up to, the Illuminati is up to...
Then there won't be open rebellion and, like, a civil war breaking out or whatever, because Alex has already revealed this to people, so it won't be such a cataclysmic...
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
By telling people you're preparing them for their ultimate takeover.
dan friesen
Well, it's basically like the idea the QAnon folks had, of, like, people are going to look at us like we're crazy, and then once...
The prestige happens, basically.
They'll realize that we knew all along and we were right.
It's that same kind of idea, but it's serving the globalists' interests because then there won't be a big kaboom when the reveal happens.
jordan holmes
Because people won't be surprised.
They'll have already known what was going on.
dan friesen
Right, right, right.
So that's part of the globalist plan, apparently.
But the subtwist within the twist, Alex is, I think, referencing like he has baked into his content.
Somehow, a way that even this isn't in the globalists' best interests or something.
jordan holmes
Who knows?
dan friesen
But there's a second...
jordan holmes
What's important is that he has outsmarted the globalists somehow.
dan friesen
I can tell you how.
They're not real.
jordan holmes
Well, that's an easy way to outsmart something.
dan friesen
And their plans are stupid.
jordan holmes
Well, he's the one who's making up the plans.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, if you create an enemy for yourself that's stupid, you can outsmart them every single time.
Every time.
jordan holmes
Never lost a game to myself in chess.
Not once.
dan friesen
Here's the second way that he fears he's helping the Illuminati.
alex jones
Now, at another level, what happens is the New World Order wants to discredit America.
The New World Order wants to demonize America, and for some of the unsophisticated minds in the world, and the liberals, and some of the Europeans who are more sophisticated but are still not sophisticated enough, They hear and think that America, the red, white, and blue carried out 9-1-1,
thus America's bad, UN is good, then the UN comes out against the war, against the imperial moves, against the lies, and makes the UN look good, so in a judo move, they take the energy and allow 9-1-1 evidence to come out, they allow it to sit there simmering, destroying America's outlook and...
The view people have of America worldwide while empowering the more centralized arms of the New World Order.
Is that clear?
unidentified
Yes, indeed.
jordan holmes
Don't you dare say yes, indeed!
How fucking dare you say yes, indeed!
dan friesen
I mean, it's clearer than the first one, I think.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There's no twist in the subtwist.
jordan holmes
No, there's no subtwist, which is nice.
dan friesen
So translate this one for me.
jordan holmes
So, by...
dan friesen
You can say no.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
If I understand correctly, the UN is allowed...
Well, let's call it the Illuminati.
dan friesen
That would be better.
jordan holmes
Right.
The Illuminati...
dan friesen
The UN is a sub-branch directorate.
jordan holmes
A directorate of the...
Yes, yeah, yeah.
They're the subtwist of the...
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay, so the Illuminati...
dan friesen
I want cinnamon twist.
jordan holmes
...has revealed...
They're delicious.
dan friesen
No, they're not.
They suck.
jordan holmes
...has revealed that the United States did 9-11.
Right.
In order for the world to hate America, including America, the concept, right?
And then Americans themselves will say, we don't want America anymore.
We want to join the UN that we are already a part of.
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah, more or less.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
More or less.
But I think the subtle difference, the distinction is...
The globalists and the Illuminati, they're not putting out that America did 9-11.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They're allowing people like Alex to get that message out, which then tarnishes the image of America.
jordan holmes
So then Alex is doing their job.
dan friesen
Well, but he's trying to be very clear that it's not America that did it.
jordan holmes
But he's still doing it.
dan friesen
You bet.
And I would say 100% of his audience own a shirt that says Bush did 9-11.
jordan holmes
100%, yes.
He's doing the thing that they want him to do.
dan friesen
But he thinks he's not, because he's distinguishing between the globalists who have taken over the United States government and Americana.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
The lore of America.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
More important.
You can't kill the lore.
dan friesen
The lore didn't do it.
jordan holmes
The lore didn't do 9-11.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
That's our shirt.
dan friesen
So, the caller has an interesting quote to help Alex feel better.
Thomas Jefferson?
No.
So, if you recall, on our last 2003 episode, a Canadian called in and wanted to get into a fight with Alex about how he's a coward for not supporting the war.
jordan holmes
It was very funny.
dan friesen
It was quite enjoyable.
Alex is still a little raw about this, I think, because this caller wants to make him feel better with a Teddy Roosevelt quote.
unidentified
Okay.
I guess yesterday you had that gentleman from Canada calling you a traitor and a coward, blah, blah, blah, because you weren't going along, you weren't a Bush worshiper supporter.
I found this really interesting comment by Theodore Roosevelt, where he said to announce that there must be no criticism of the president.
Or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
I thought that was very interesting.
alex jones
And he did say that quote during an election, and did point out that it was very patriotic to criticize the government.
jordan holmes
Did you need to say this?
alex jones
Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution, that we are the government, and when the government becomes destructive of the republic, it is our right, our duty, not to overthrow the Constitution and the republic, but to restore it against the establishment.
dan friesen
So that is a real quote.
That's an actual quote from an editorial that Teddy Roosevelt wrote in 1918.
The problem I have is that that is not an election year.
Woodrow Wilson won re-election in 1916, and Teddy Roosevelt had been out of office for about a decade at that point and one year away from death.
The context for this quote is actually really ironic, if you know where this comes from.
This caller is using it to defend Alex from that Canadian guy who said that Alex was a coward for not supporting the war in Iraq and supporting Bush.
Well...
In Roosevelt's case, he was writing this editorial about how it's great to question the government and the president because he was actually more in favor of war than Woodrow Wilson, and he'd gotten some flack for that.
In the previous two years, he'd been writing editorials about how the U.S. needed to get more involved in World War I, arguing that Wilson wasn't being strong enough.
The editorial that this quote comes from is his defense of himself on accusations of him being disloyal for calling for more war than the president was waging.
We all agree that it's fine to criticize the president.
It's just funny that Alex is lying about when this was written, and he takes this quote about justifying a desire for more war and turns it into something about, like, Roosevelt saying it was cool for people to overthrow a government if they just decide that it's full of usurpers.
jordan holmes
It's like, why?
Why did he do that?
He just can't stop himself.
dan friesen
No, he can't.
He's a compulsive liar.
jordan holmes
Somebody says it to Theodore Roosevelt.
Oh, yeah, that was said whenever Theodore Roosevelt was taking a bath.
You know what's fun about Theodore Roosevelt taking a bath?
He had two bathtubs that he put side by side.
The original Viagra commercial.
dan friesen
I think that a part of it was an impulse to be like, he was selfless in saying this, and even when he was running for president, he said it's good to criticize the president.
jordan holmes
Which he didn't and wouldn't.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I think...
I don't know.
jordan holmes
He wasn't good with presidential criticism when he was the president, strangely enough.
dan friesen
I think that Alex just thinks it's a more interesting story.
jordan holmes
It is!
dan friesen
He wants to be interesting really badly.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And I think that might come from his high school years.
jordan holmes
It usually does start there.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I do find it a little bit frustrating that...
If I did take the time to really lay out every time, there's just like, well, that's an extraneous detail that he's making up.
We would never finish the show.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
We'd be here for a long time.
dan friesen
It would be a 24-hour live stream in perpetuity of just like, well, here's a weird detail.
unidentified
We begin in May 1998.
dan friesen
So I think Alex really enjoyed that idea that he laid out of...
The globalists want to make the U.S. look bad to make everyone want to join the U.S. Right.
I don't think I've heard him say that too much, but he expounds on it a little more, and I have some thoughts.
alex jones
Trying to make this as simple as possible.
The New World Order doesn't mind, at a certain level, allowing thinking people to know that the globalists carried out September 11th.
Okay?
So...
Because what they do is they then demonize America like America did it and like the U.S. government did it.
dan friesen
There's so many fantasy layers to this belief, but if you really think about it, Alex kind of really does need to create this elaborate maze in order to defend his points against obvious rebuttals.
Yeah.
unidentified
For instance, you have to ask yourself why Alex is allowed to be on air and profit from yelling about how Bush did 9-11 and then just go home and live in peace when, according to his telling of it, the New World Order is a bloodthirsty cabal of murderers who will defend their banking cartel at all costs.
dan friesen
They orchestrated both world wars, so you've got to imagine they could handle taking out an idiot in Texas if you were doing something.
jordan holmes
Of course, and that's why they're letting him do it.
dan friesen
Exactly.
They don't kill him because they're okay with thinking people knowing about 9-11.
Alex isn't popular enough for him to use the I'm out in the public so they have to let me live kind of thing.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So I think this is kind of a decent option for him to go with to explain his own existence within this scheme.
jordan holmes
No, it's not terrible.
dan friesen
So now the globalists not only did 9-11, but they did it in an intentionally sloppy enough way so that the thinking people in the world would see the obvious clues they left behind and they would use these to argue that the U.S. did 9-11.
jordan holmes
Right, which is a great plan.
dan friesen
But it's a joke.
jordan holmes
It's a judo move!
It's a judo!
dan friesen
In reality, they want people to say that the U.S. did 9-11 so that they can make the U.S. look bad and trick people into liking the U.M. Right.
There's so many moving parts in this plan and none of it makes sense.
jordan holmes
None!
dan friesen
If Alex was right and the New World Order secretly wanted people to think that the U.S. did 9-11, wouldn't the people who said that the U.S. did 9-11 be promoted and pushed by the media and not completely marginalized?
You'd think that the globalists, who control all world media, wouldn't want 9-11 conspiracy theorists to be treated like completely unhinged idiots because their claims being accepted is actually an essential step in achieving the globalists' aims.
And yet, every news story from around the time about 9-11 conspiracies treats these people as completely wrong or as malicious liars.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That shouldn't be the case if what Alex is saying is accurate.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
You don't understand.
Only thinking people need to know this information.
Right?
And the only way to get thinking people to know this information is to have the mainstream media deny that information.
Because thinking people will then go, oh, well, the mainstream media is always lying to me.
So if the mainstream media is telling this side of the story, that means obviously that the truth is that the United States did 9-11.
However, not the United States government.
It's actually the Illuminati who are doing this.
dan friesen
Hey, we're out of coke.
I understand.
You have a great chart.
jordan holmes
Listen, I would have been a lot better at Scattergories.
I'll tell you that right now.
dan friesen
Also, if the globalists really wanted to make people not like the United States, they could just have, like, a more realistic, frank discussion about U.S. foreign policy in our history.
That would probably tarnish people's impressions of our country real quick.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
There's no need to do a 9-11.
That is unnecessary.
jordan holmes
Put, like, the real story of banana Republicans in every high school textbook, and everybody will be like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I hate America, too.
Good call.
dan friesen
Can't believe it.
jordan holmes
Good call.
100.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I think I kind of agree with something that a caller says a little bit here.
jordan holmes
All right.
I'm listening.
unidentified
The first point was I wanted to point out how recently with Uday and Kuse with them being killed, it really shows what a sadist culture we live in when people are celebrating the deaths of these two men and they totally forget that we've already lost hundreds of our men and we're losing men every day.
alex jones
But it's a big Super Bowl win.
unidentified
Yeah, they said in the news Bush was down, but he just had a big victory.
alex jones
Poll numbers are going back up.
By the way, Mike, I don't even buy that these guys are dead.
dan friesen
So Alex is still not believing that Saddam's kids?
jordan holmes
Nope.
They're fine.
In the Bahamas.
dan friesen
Another great prediction from Alex's history.
His instincts are so sharp.
jordan holmes
Trust me.
He knows.
Okay?
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
jordan holmes
It's the Illuminati!
dan friesen
But I do agree with this caller that it was pretty grotesque, releasing the dead images of them.
And I understand that there was a reason why the government did that, and we'll talk about that in a little bit, but I still don't care.
I understand the reason as an explanation.
Don't think it was the right thing to do.
And Alex is really dumb.
unidentified
All those things can be true simultaneously.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex believes they're fake.
And he gives just the perfect real-world analogy.
jordan holmes
Let's explain it.
unidentified
The administration says they're going to serve up photographs of Uday and Usay as proof to the Iraqis.
alex jones
And that's what I just said.
unidentified
Yeah, no independent forensics or any such trivial matters as that.
alex jones
But they're, hey, hey, they're getting them ready.
It'll take a few days.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anyway, okay.
alex jones
And they better do a good job.
I bet they're going to be blurred.
That way you can't go in with a computer and show the editing.
Which we've done with past photos.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Even if they're crystal clear, that doesn't mean they weren't cooked.
Yeah, okay.
Now, these two...
alex jones
Hey, wait a minute.
I'll hold you over, Roger, and let you finish.
You know Mad Dog Ben Richards, the brutal slayer of 50 men, women, and children?
I mean, he did it.
He's going to be on The Running Man tonight.
Ready to pay his debt to society in full.
We don't lie!
dan friesen
It's all good and well to present a theory that the government's gonna fake some kind of evidence, but I think it doesn't really make for a compelling case when you just come up with, like...
You know, trying to come up with a real-life example and you just reference a movie?
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, there was that time that Sub-Zero was chasing down, you know, John Richard, right?
And he was on the ice rink, and the ice rink is the Twin Towers.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Okay?
And so he's skating on the ice rink, and that's Al-Qaeda.
And then John Richard, he tied him up in the gold net, which is Alex Jones.
dan friesen
But there's a sub-twist.
To the story.
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
You may notice that Alex does this all the time because he believes that movies are speaking cryptic messages to him.
The New World Order is taunting him and revealing their truths through the movies that he chooses to see.
So saying it's just like Running Man may as well be Alex providing actual instances of the New World Order doing the thing that he's claiming that they do all the time.
True.
Out of his mind.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The Pentagon did release photos of Uday and Kuse's bodies, which a lot of people rightly thought was gross.
Alex and this caller are just pretending that they didn't also do dental exams and x-rays to confirm that these bodies were in fact Saddam's kids, because it sounds more fishy if it was just a picture.
jordan holmes
It sounds way better if you say, oh, they're spending days preparing them.
They're not doing any of those normal things.
dan friesen
The photos are legit out before this episode is over.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Also, there were things like...
One of the bodies having an 8-inch metal bar in its leg, which Uday got after he was the target of an attempted assassination in 1996.
jordan holmes
Right.
And Kuse's dick is huge.
dan friesen
Hey, now.
What?
There were plenty of pieces of evidence that these were Saddam's kids, but the Pentagon was also really set on making sure that people who were fighting against them in Iraq accepted that these were Saddam's kids because that would have a demoralizing effect.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And I understand that that is the reason why you would release the photos.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Again, I think it's gross.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I suspect that the clear intention that was evident that they wanted to prove that this was Uday and Kuse set off the distrust alarm in people like Alex and this caller.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And they...
They can't accept what's being said because they are so trained to be defiant and oppositional.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
And it's almost a preemptive attack on them.
You know, that idea of, like, we're gonna release the photos, so you can't lie about it, you know?
They have to immediately go, like, I'll fucking lie about it for sure!
I'll lie about more now!
dan friesen
This defiance thing, it doesn't even really matter, I don't think, what's being said.
Like, if...
Biden and the international community, I don't know how this would happen, but somehow if they sided with Russia, if they were like, Russia was right to invade Ukraine, Alex would be defending Ukraine.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You know, yeah, you're probably right.
dan friesen
It doesn't matter.
It's just whatever is being said by the people that he doesn't like, he's got to take the opposite side, and it's tiring.
jordan holmes
Biden's like, we're teaming up with Russia to fight the Nazis in Ukraine, and Alex is like, I love the Nazis in Ukraine!
I made the Azov Battalion!
dan friesen
I did qualify that I don't know how that would happen.
But yeah, Alex would.
Take the opposite side.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
So Alice gets another caller, and this means nothing.
It has nothing to do with anything, but I really enjoy this guy's thought pattern.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
You know, I'm convinced of one thing, that one of, I won't say which one, one of the intelligence agencies started the New Age movement.
Because it's a great way...
alex jones
The Army did.
That's a fact.
We have the official textbooks.
unidentified
Yeah, because, you know, I first got a tip on that about...
Several years back, when I drove past regularly one of these New Age bookstores, and no one was ever in it, and I said, how could they stay in business?
They gotta be subsidized.
alex jones
Well, thanks for the call.
unidentified
We're like, please shit, bitch.
dan friesen
So there was an unsuccessful New Age bookstore in this guy's town.
He was like, fuck, that's the CIA, man.
jordan holmes
Well, obviously the CIA runs it.
dan friesen
Right.
I mean, there's a lot of other conclusions you could come to.
Like a tax shelter.
jordan holmes
It could be a tax shelter.
dan friesen
That's obviously the first option.
jordan holmes
Aren't all bookstores tax shelters now?
dan friesen
Or it could be a situation where the person's independently wealthy and it's just a passion thing.
jordan holmes
Why not?
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I'll run this new age bookstore in the red just so I have somewhere to go every day.
dan friesen
Sure, maybe their spouse is really...
A successful person in business, and it's like, well, here, you do your pet project or whatever.
jordan holmes
Maybe it'll be profitable someday!
dan friesen
Sure.
There's all kinds of explanations that don't require the CIA is subsidizing this bookstore in my town, wherever the fuck you live.
jordan holmes
But, you know, and you say that, but, you know, 99 times out of 100, sure, I'm wrong.
But if I'm right that one time, I saved everybody's life.
dan friesen
Also, let's talk about what importance...
This small town bookstore or whatever has to the larger New Age movement.
jordan holmes
Alright, now we're getting into the real nitty gritty of this conspiracy, my friend.
dan friesen
This bookstore that this guy never saw anybody in, is it like the central hub of the New Age movement?
Is it like the hate Ashbery for the hippies?
jordan holmes
Here's the problem.
What he's gotta do, underground bunker.
There's something underneath there that is...
So his small town, he's got a giant oil deposit.
Directly beneath the New Age bookstore.
The CIA starts the entirety of New Age thought in 18...
Let's call it 94. Well, the army did it.
unidentified
We can prove it.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
We can prove that.
And that is how they get all the oil for tanks.
It all comes from that one New Age bookstore.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
And we never would have cracked the code if it wasn't for this caller.
jordan holmes
That guy wasn't like, that's weird.
dan friesen
I'm proud of him.
I'm not proud of this caller.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
I have been trying to get a cable access show since 1998.
Now, such things as a black Christian group from a church that does a little singing and piano playing can walk in and get a cable access show and no trouble at all.
Or some idiot talking about an invisible dog fence can walk in and get a show.
And I have been trying to show Well, you need to go in and get their bylaws and their rules and file suit against them.
Get those bylaws.
Well, don't go to them.
alex jones
Just file suit on them.
You'll be on the air in about ten minutes.
And then if the films have an effect, they'll shut the access station down.
They've done it a bunch of places, from New York to New Jersey, and my name has been listed in the news articles because of my films.
They have emergency meetings.
In one case, feds show up and they shut the stations down.
All because they don't want you to see these videos.
dan friesen
Wow, he must be really disseminating some pretty seriously dangerous information.
The feds shut down these stations just because they're playing Alex's videos.
jordan holmes
The whole station.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
So I like this.
I like this idea.
Like, this guy obviously, for whatever reason, I mean, it could just be a situation where they don't have a slot for him.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And some people might be more aggressive about trying to get their slot.
Maybe he's going about it the wrong way, talking to attorneys and such.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is a weird way to go.
dan friesen
Now, what Alex is describing isn't, like, give them a lawsuit that is merit-based.
He's essentially saying threaten to sue them, and they will put you on air because they don't want to deal with it.
jordan holmes
They don't have a law against slap lawsuits anymore, or yet, in 2003, so...
dan friesen
Depending on the state, you might be able to let that shit fly.
So, yeah, this is basically harass them with threats of litigation, and you'll get on air, and then you can play my stuff, and then, in doing so, you will destroy the station.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And it will get shut down.
jordan holmes
Correct.
dan friesen
I like this media economy.
jordan holmes
It's a very reasonable series of events that would totally occur, as he described.
The FBI would show up at a local access TV station.
dan friesen
Hey, are you playing Infowar stuff?
jordan holmes
How dare you, sir?
dan friesen
You're going with me.
unidentified
You are in the back of me.
dan friesen
Guantanamo for you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
So, this is a bit racist.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, that last caller was a bit racist, too.
dan friesen
A touch.
That was a touch racist.
jordan holmes
He had the racism in his body.
dan friesen
There was a vibe, but then also it was wildly specific about an idiot with an invisible dog face.
jordan holmes
It sounds like he's got an axe to grind against this specific guy.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's mad at that dude.
This is a bit more racist.
unidentified
I've lived in the United States my whole life.
I've traveled around the world.
I was in the military.
But, you know, if you go back 15 years ago, Alex, and I'm sure it's like this in Texas, you go to any...
Fast food restaurant.
McDonald's, Wendy's, Taco Bell, you name it.
The majority of the workers are Hispanic.
The majority of them cannot speak English.
Most of the time they'll have a bilingual Hispanic working in the restaurant, and he kind of controls what's going on in there.
alex jones
Yeah, and let me break that down.
Then what happens is it drives down the overall wages, breaks down the society, and if the government wanted to enforce INS rules, they would go and fine and fee and arrest all these corporate leaders.
But that's not going to happen.
And folks, we used to have a couple hundred thousand immigrants a year.
Now it's millions legal, millions illegal every year.
And they're being filled by the Fortune 500 full of race politics, whether they're Russians or Chinese or Hispanics.
We always talk about Hispanics because they're the majority, the 400 million in Latin America, 20 million new births a year coming this way.
And, yeah, it's just felony crimes being committed everywhere, but the government is legitimizing it.
800-plus cities except fake IDEs from Poland, Mexico, Venezuela, the matriculars.
It's just wholesale destruction of the republic.
unidentified
Absolutely, Alex.
And you know what?
And the other thing I wanted to make a point is I have a relative who works for the state of Illinois, and she told me she heard that, you know, a lot of these gas stations and convenience stores and Dunkin' Donuts are all being bought up by Pakistani or Indians.
And they're supposedly tanked.
At least in the state of Illinois, she said she knows that they're tax-exempt for seven years.
Now, Alex, if there's any truth to it, then she said they milk the system, and what they'll do is they'll bring a brother.
alex jones
No, sir, sir, that's true.
Foreigners get a seven-year tax exemption.
What?
Senator from Utah wants to give the illegals more tuition.
I read the bill.
Not just as much.
More tuition than citizens.
It's a magnet to bring hundreds of millions of people in who will then pull the lever for gun control and big government and everything else.
dan friesen
It's horrible.
So you may notice that this caller is just bringing up a feeling that he has that all fast food kitchens have a lot of Hispanic employees, which Alex then immediately pivots into a conversation about his fears about immigrants.
It's fascinating how Alex just hears...
This is what comes out.
This then spirals into Alex complaining about his perception that immigrant crime is completely out of control and that all these fake IDs are accepted for immigrants and this is destroying the country.
That's where his mind goes when someone brings up a feeling that a lot of fast food workers are Hispanic.
And that should tell you a lot about Alex and his racist ass brain.
alex jones
You bet.
dan friesen
Also, the idea that foreigners get tax exemption is a completely racist myth that circulated forever to demonize non-white business owners, but it's not true at all.
The irony here is that it actually has its roots in another reality of immigration that people like Alex and this caller pretend isn't real, namely that you're not eligible for most federal benefits from the government until five years after you immigrate.
Because the right-wing media need to portray immigrants as solely a strain on the system, this entire thing needs to be inverted.
In reality, most folks aren't eligible for benefits, and if they run a business, they have to pay taxes.
This gets reported by racist xenophobes like Alex as them getting rich on welfare immediately and being tax-exempt for seven years.
It's just bigot shit, and there's nothing real about this at all.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And again, at the end here, you see this payoff turn into the great replacement conspiracy theory.
The idea that the globalists are trying to bring in all these immigrants using incentives like welfare and tax exemption in order to bring in a population that will vote subserviently for things that will take the country away from the rightful whites like Alex.
In more recent times, with a lot of mass shootings and violence directed at immigrants and being inspired by people's anger at immigration, this great replacement conspiracy has gotten a lot of attention.
that was very clearly and regularly articulated on Alex's show going back at least a decade.
The people who are carrying out these shootings now could very easily evoke been raised with the kind of information space that Alex creates, where this fraudulent perception and perspective on immigration is just accepted as reality.
Yep.
Recent.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, you go back to Pat Buchanan, you go back to...
You can just keep going back and back and back because white people are terrified that they won't be able to run roughshod over the rest of the world for long.
dan friesen
And just that things are being taken.
jordan holmes
Things are different!
And they're not even being taken.
dan friesen
So, throughout this entire episode, Alex has been bringing up that the website is down.
That InfoWars.com is down.
And it's been a really banal non-scandal.
jordan holmes
Up until the hack.
alex jones
They built the infrastructure.
They're engaging in tyranny against the people, whether you're for their system or against it, every day, in a compartmentalized fashion.
People don't know how to communicate with each other.
The media keeps this illusion going.
The globalists are fighting to shut down alternative media.
jordan holmes
Wait, aren't they letting you...
alex jones
And people have to start valuing alternative information and spreading the word about alternative information every way they can.
And I've talked to my IT guy, Dwayne Coutts, and he's never seen anything like it.
It is a massive attack.
Denial of service, you name it.
Multiple forms of attacks on the entire server farm and particular offshoot feeding Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
Because, you know, the site gets tens of millions of visitors a month now, literally.
And so, you know, sometimes at midnight or something, when it reloads or something, it'll go down for a few minutes and then we fix it.
It's still rare.
This one is huge and sustained, and it'll just make people go to the site more because they can't get to it, but Infowars.net is up, and we're putting the photos of Kwesi and the Saddam brothers' sons.
up on the site.
Some fullwars.net's there and has been updated.
dan friesen
He doesn't know their names, but man, he's sure they're not dead.
jordan holmes
Definitely not dead.
dan friesen
Yeah, so now we've got a coordinated massive attack on the website.
Here's how he talked about it at the beginning of the show.
I didn't even cut clips of him talking about it because I thought, like, eh, they've got a little tech issue.
Yeah.
unidentified
That's basically all that was going on.
alex jones
Before I take 20 calls on air about this subject, let me just cover it now.
Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com are rarely down, but as the traffic has grown, we've had to expand the size of servers and server farms, and every time we grow out of our britches, we have some problems.
But the current outage, I'm told, is because of some of the backbone of the Internet itself, where our servers are located.
There's a problem in that city.
And we've already gotten a bunch of calls at my office, and we've gotten calls at the network and a bunch of emails that people can't get to Infowars.com or PrisonPlanet.com, and I apologize.
But that should be up very, very soon.
dan friesen
That's just a tech problem.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
When I heard him talking about it throughout the beginning of the show, I was like, you're leaving money on the table, man.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is scalar attack.
jordan holmes
You would never do this.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
This is victim time, baby.
You're under attack.
Because, I mean, obviously, if someone...
Someone's attacking the website.
unidentified
It's the globalists.
alex jones
It's gotta be.
dan friesen
And if the globalists are doing it, that means they're only doing it because they're scared of the information you're putting out.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's why you do this.
jordan holmes
Right.
Here's a problem I have with this.
dan friesen
Wait, I have a problem too.
You go first.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
How can the globalists both be...
Furiously trying to shut down alternative media sites and simultaneously using alternative media to disseminate information that they need disseminating.
dan friesen
Well, it's because by attacking it, it'll only make Alex more popular because they know that the globalists attacking him will make him look more legit.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And so they're doing it as a favor to him to help get this message out so people will turn against the United States and enjoy the United Nations.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know what?
Like that?
It all makes sense.
Airtight.
dan friesen
Here's my problem.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
Ain't nobody give a shit about his dumbass show back in 2003.
unidentified
That is true.
jordan holmes
That is true.
There is that.
There is that.
Tens of millions of hits every month.
dan friesen
Maybe there are millions of individual page views, but not visitors.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
But yeah, no one cared enough to take down your fucking stupid site.
jordan holmes
Definitely not.
dan friesen
But here, he's very clear it's because he's too dangerous.
alex jones
That's what Fighting for the Republic's all about, folks.
They don't want you to read about the drones and the microchips and the slavery from their own publications.
They don't want it all posted in one spot.
Every day, mountains of their evil, mountains of their corruption.
Because we're hurting them so bad.
So a counterattack shows that they're trying to attack our key infrastructure and it's not going to work.
dan friesen
Yeah, it just proves how dangerous this information is to the globalists.
jordan holmes
I mean, he did say earlier that it was actually not even traffic.
dan friesen
It wasn't related to him.
jordan holmes
No, it was in the city, the town, where the servers physically were held.
dan friesen
Boy, it's weird, isn't it?
jordan holmes
So it's both a DDoS attack and apparently a saboteur.
dan friesen
It's all things at once.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
This is sort of an interesting proto-version of Alex's marketing plan that he would use once he got kicked off all the social media stuff.
It's like, come find the verboten information, that kind of thing.
It's baked into the very DNA of his show.
People not wanting my shit around.
Right, right, right, right.
Any kind of setback that I can have, whether it is getting kicked off something or a tech problem, can be presented as proof that what I'm doing is fucking serious and dangerous.
jordan holmes
And it'll never stop because people really don't want me around.
dan friesen
That is true.
Wow, is it true.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, we could have suspects.
jordan holmes
Wait.
The saboteurs?
Okay.
dan friesen
But actually we don't.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
We know who it is.
alex jones
The website to visit is infowars.net.
That's the site we updated today.
That's the site that's not under Department of Defense hack attack and it's official, folks.
I don't talk about it on the air.
It's happened a lot and they're getting more sophisticated and multifaceted and the diagnostics have been done and it's a wholesale massive attack.
The largest proportions we've ever seen.
dan friesen
Tricky, tricky.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
It's tricky.
It's tricky for massive attack.
jordan holmes
That is so sad.
dan friesen
He's doing it.
No, it's the DOD.
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
alex jones
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
That is very sad.
That's the type of bullshit where I bet he got off air that day like, man, that was so great when I riffed into that DDoS attack.
That was pretty.
Hey, guys, did you hear that?
We got attacked by a fucking angel?
Teardrop?
dan friesen
I've heard this.
Wait, those are songs.
I don't remember any of the other members of Massive Attack's names, and I apologize for that.
jordan holmes
You're alright.
dan friesen
Look, this is something he's done a bit.
But I've only heard it later than this.
This is the furthest back I've heard the Hack Attack fun game being played.
And it's clunky.
It's a little transparent.
jordan holmes
That was Young Internet Times 03. That's crazy.
It's true.
He was probably hosting it on Angel Fire and shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is probably before he had an InfoWars dating site.
jordan holmes
He's still searching on Netscape.
dan friesen
So that's dumb, and it's fun for him, but he gets a call.
And this is where everything goes to shit.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
This is our twist.
dan friesen
There was a sub-twist.
unidentified
Oh, no.
dan friesen
The main twist is that this caller is a sovereign citizen.
unidentified
Okay.
Watching something.
I'm here in Austin, so I see all the public access stuff that goes on, and I saw something the other day.
It was a speech that I don't even remember who was giving it, but he talked about how no nations are actually nations.
They're really corporations, and everything runs under International Maritime Admiralty.
jordan holmes
Duh.
unidentified
And birth certificates in the U.S. are actually worth $630,000 to the U.S. government.
alex jones
Now, that's true.
We're traded.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what now?
alex jones
We're traded as collateral.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, hold on, what now?
alex jones
On debt.
jordan holmes
Could you stop one second?
alex jones
In deals with the third world, we posted three or four times the last month.
People keep requesting it.
The official State Department document from 1991.
Detailing a declassified plan since 1974 with Kissinger and others, 73, excuse me, that if third world countries want money, IMF World Bank loans, they have to sign their people over as collateral and they have to sterilize forcibly half the women in those ten countries.
We don't just have the facts that were traded like cattle on the open market.
We have official government documents.
dan friesen
Yeah, so this dude's just having straight-up sovereign citizen shit here.
alex jones
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
None of that's real at all, and Alex is rambling around making vague references to some document, but it's actually just the National Security Study Memorandum 200.
This was an analysis of population growth trends and their implications for national security.
It had nothing to do with signing over populations as collateral and the stuff about...
that sterilization is just Alex lying about suggestions in the document about providing funding for contraception in the developing world.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Yep.
Really makes you wonder if Alex actually believes the Sovereign Citizen shit, or if this is just a desperate attempt to make sure the audience thinks he knows everything and is really interesting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I can't tell.
Maybe both.
jordan holmes
I mean, that might as well be Sovereign Citizen shit.
dan friesen
No, the caller is bringing it up, and Alex is saying, you bet.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And function pretty bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because whatever the case, if you're a listener and you believe Alex, he's leading you down an insane and dangerous path.
These kinds of beliefs funnel directly into the world of sovereign citizen communities, and from there you have a much greater chance of taking in ideas about how your supposed rights might make you kill a cop who pulls you over for driving without a license.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
Alex should really be more careful and not just make shit up whenever he wants to feel smart.
But there's a subtwist.
jordan holmes
Oh no!
dan friesen
Subtwist.
Oh no.
alex jones
And I remember old-timers, you know, eight years ago talking about the maritime and that's how it really ran in the courts.
And then now there have been cases like Diana Lupe, the famous screenwriter out in the New American magazine.
Big report was also in the Associated Press three years ago.
She owned 90-something acres in a beautiful three-story house on private land with public land around it.
The house was homesteaded to 1906.
And they went and closed.
Public roads that on the maps were not even part of the Forest Service and not cross Forest Service lands, but on three sides it was Forest Service lands.
They came to her house, grabbed her, wouldn't let her have her stuff, arrested her, said, you can't have a jury, we're taking your house.
No warrants, no judge.
And she went before the judge and he said, this is maritime.
We have seized your land.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
alex jones
And that was in the federal ruling.
And there's many of those, but now they say it.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's so many of those.
jordan holmes
Do I understand correctly?
That the judge said...
This is maritime law!
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
Like he was declaring this is a kumate.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Okay.
All right.
unidentified
I just want to be clear that according to Alex- The mental image is amazing.
alex jones
I love it.
jordan holmes
No, I really do.
I see her and I see the judge being at an absurdly tall bench.
She's looking up like, I just want my home, please!
dan friesen
She's making a legitimate, really grounded legal argument.
And he's like, lady, I'm sorry.
It doesn't matter.
This is maritime.
jordan holmes
I would like to quote many different citated cases.
No.
Maritime law.
unidentified
Stop!
dan friesen
Maritime!
What dumb shit.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
So now we have one last clip where we have to really wrestle with the fact that I think Alex does believe sovereign citizenship.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But this image is also really fantastic.
alex jones
And under admiralty, they are a private corporation.
Authorizing themselves to engage in seizure of any vessel not flying the Jolly Roger.
And that sounds ridiculous, but that's what Skull and Bones is.
jordan holmes
It does sound ridiculous.
alex jones
And on the wall they have war.
They say we are the pirate kings.
And it's a society of piracy and wickedness and criminality.
And they have set themselves up as the government.
And everyone is free game unless they are in the criminal crime syndicate.
And openly fly the Jolly Roger.
jordan holmes
That sounds true.
unidentified
That's some pretty scary stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
jordan holmes
That's some pretty scary stuff.
dan friesen
Pirates.
Pirates.
jordan holmes
Should we be flying the Jolly Roger then?
dan friesen
I mean, what do you mean?
Are you asking if it's a good idea to?
jordan holmes
I feel like he's saying that...
One way to get around a lot of these problems is simply to fly the Jolly Roger.
dan friesen
I wonder if he's actually talking about the Jolly Roger flying.
jordan holmes
He must be.
dan friesen
Or if it's a metaphor for, like, the Mark of the Beast or something.
jordan holmes
He could be.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I'm being too generous.
jordan holmes
I really think he's talking specifically about...
dan friesen
Well, I mean, because Skull and Bones is, like, the Jolly Roger.
jordan holmes
Right, and we can't steal their shit.
dan friesen
Well, but that makes me think that it is literally a Skull and Crossbones that he's talking about.
jordan holmes
Okay.
So I think we need to get one.
dan friesen
I think we gotta learn more about pirates.
jordan holmes
Well, you gotta give it up to them.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
From wherever they are now.
dan friesen
And you know what?
Blackbeard is the devil.
Right?
jordan holmes
Something like that.
dan friesen
Well, they make you walk the plank.
That's really about accepting Jesus.
jordan holmes
So if I understand correctly, if I understand correctly, you, like the cops could come to your home.
And they'd be like, it's maritime law!
We're going to take this.
But then if you raise the Jolly Ratcher.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
dan friesen
No?
unidentified
Cops can't declare maritime.
dan friesen
Oh, I apologize.
alex jones
It's got to be a judge.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
My bad.
dan friesen
The cops could be told by the judge it's maritime.
jordan holmes
So the cops have a writ of maritime law.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
It's got gold tassels on it.
jordan holmes
That they nail it to the door first, of course, to give them notice.
Yeah, naturally.
dan friesen
And actually, you have to make a movie about how this person's house is going to be seized.
And they have to choose to see it in order for it to be predictive programming.
jordan holmes
And Arnold Schwarzenegger has to star in it.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Who's actually running for mayor or governor at this point in 2003.
jordan holmes
Yes, at this point in time.
dan friesen
Although, a small update on that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex got a call from a guy on this episode who said that Arnold isn't going to run for governor.
jordan holmes
How did that go?
dan friesen
Alex doesn't seem to care that much at this point, but he also does not like Arnold.
So I'm tracking that, but the call wasn't interesting.
jordan holmes
We'll keep an eye.
dan friesen
Especially compared to this revelation that Alex is probably a sovereign citizen.
jordan holmes
Wild!
I mean, and really...
dan friesen
He dances around it so much, but this is one of the more concrete instances of like, oh, you do believe this shit.
And that's funny.
jordan holmes
I think he's at this place in his head where it's like, I believe this is true.
But I know that they're not going to act like it's true.
So I'm not going to be the person who drives around without a license.
I have to follow all of these rules.
But I know in my heart that I don't really have to.
dan friesen
I'm not going to send notice and my social security card back to the IRS or whatever and demand my $600,000 bank account.
Yeah.
He's not going to do that.
jordan holmes
No, he's probably not.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Although he could use it.
jordan holmes
He might need it later.
dan friesen
He could use it.
Shit's bad.
Anyway, we come to the end of this 2003 adventure, and we learned a bit.
jordan holmes
I mean, subtwist after subtwist.
So many subtwists.
dan friesen
So many twists.
I really don't like cinnamon twists.
But I had a hankering.
Anyway, we'll be back, Jordan, with another non-present-day Alex show, as he's been banished.
jordan holmes
Banished until the mark of his death.
dan friesen
To Davy Jones' locker, which is hell.
jordan holmes
Which is hell, yes.
Wait.
They flew the Jolly Roger, though, so the globalists can't get to them.
dan friesen
But you're afraid of going to Davy Jones' locker.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Anyways.
unidentified
We'll be back.
dan friesen
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight and I go to bed Jordan.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
They'll run this because Dr. Marbles is a bad dude.
I'll figure something else out.
Anyway.
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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