Today, Dan and Jordan take a little breaky from the present to go back and experience some Alex Jones of the past. In this installment, Alex interviews the parent of a high school whiz kid, and a guy who claims to be a former assassin for Interpol. Citations
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding us. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller in the future. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. | ||
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Jordan! | |
| We're a couple dudes. | ||
| Let's sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
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Dan? | |
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is I was hanging out with my friend, Angela Lampsbury, and she gave me a late Christmas present. | ||
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Ooh! | |
| And there could be no other bright spot than these, because she made... | ||
| Magic cards. | ||
| Take a look at these and see what you see. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Some specially designed magic cards. | ||
| Oh, get the fuck out of it. | ||
| We'll put up pictures of these on Twitter. | ||
| Well, yes. | ||
| But one of them is you. | ||
| Yes, I'm broadcasting Banshee, which I will take as a compliment! | ||
| Yes, you do damage with loud yelling to... | ||
| Deal damage to target ear equal to the number of plus one plus one counters on this card. | ||
| Well, that's fair enough. | ||
| There's one that is me. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Dutch the Discerner. | ||
| Your name is way better than mine. | ||
| We're legendary creatures. | ||
| And there's also one of Selene, the feline Contessa. | ||
| Ah, the feline Contessa, of course. | ||
| I did tell... | ||
| I heard that these are all massively overpowered cards. | ||
| Well, you're 2021, so you got some... | ||
| We both are, because Blackjack. | ||
| Yes, that's true. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| But yeah, it's just so fun. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| It's nice that there's a collection coming together of unique magic cards. | ||
| Truly fantastic. | ||
| It really is cool. | ||
| That don't exist anywhere else. | ||
| No, you would never, ever have imagined anything like this, and it's incredible to imagine. | ||
| So thank you, Angela Lamp. | ||
| Barry, we appreciate it, and it's just, what a delight. | ||
| Yes, very much so. | ||
| What about you? | ||
| Well, that now supersedes my Bright Spot for being my Bright Spot, so mine is immediately no longer a Bright Spot, but what I had before was, I am excited. | ||
| Previously thought to be Bright Spot. | ||
| Previously on Bright Spots. | ||
| Horizon Forbidden West. | ||
| I've downloaded it. | ||
| As we're recording this tomorrow. | ||
| As we're recording this tomorrow. | ||
| I'm excited. | ||
| I've been looking forward to playing it. | ||
| Zero Dawn was one of my favorites. | ||
| Yeah, it's great. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| I've been looking forward to this for a while as well. | ||
| Too bad we can't find PS5. | ||
| It's so infuriating. | ||
| It's so infuriating. | ||
| We've been looking for a year! | ||
| Yeah, it's bizarre. | ||
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It is. | |
| It's not like it's a niche system or something. | ||
| It's Sony. | ||
| It is funny. | ||
| It's nice. | ||
| Before, I would look at a PS2 or a PS3 and I would say, boy, I want one of those because I cannot afford it. | ||
| And now I'm like, ooh, I'm in a better place in my life. | ||
| I can get me one of those. | ||
| Can't have it! | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Reality and the world will not allow it. | ||
| It's the worst. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we've got an episode to do. | ||
| And we're doing this just to kill some time before you can play Horizon. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yes, this is all just waiting game for me. | ||
| And so today, I kind of thought about it, and I was like, you know what? | ||
| We've been talking about the present too damn much. | ||
| There's been a lot. | ||
| It's been constant. | ||
| Is Roger Stone okay? | ||
| He needs some money. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's been a lot of 2022 episodes in a string, and I need a break. | ||
| And so I decided to... | ||
| Poke around, see what I could find. | ||
| Project Camelot, disappointing. | ||
| Jim Baker, no good. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| So, I went back to the past, 2003. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And unfortunately, there's a string of episodes that are so boring. | ||
| Nothing is happening. | ||
| And it's just a disaster. | ||
| And so we end up having to skip to July 17th. | ||
| The last one we did was the 11th. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So we jump to the 17th, 2003, before we can find anything that is worth going over. | ||
| But it is so worth going over. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I feel excited. | ||
| I feel delighted to have this episode. | ||
| There's fun, there's meaty stories, there's Alex being an idiot, and some of it accidentally relates to the present day in ways that I didn't expect. | ||
| Right, because you're a witch. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which, by the way, is part of my... | ||
| It is one of your powers, that's true. | ||
| I am a legendary creature, human witch, according to this magic card. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| So, we'll get down to business on this nonsense, but before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Steph in the UK. | ||
| Okay, thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thanks, Steph! | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Next, Quackers O 'Cools. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Avrik R, and that's spelled A-V-I-K. | ||
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Ah. | |
| Good spelling of Avrik. | ||
| I don't know how else you would spell Avrik. | ||
| Anyway, you're a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Next, Guantanamo Bay, but it's B-A-E. | ||
| B-A-E? | ||
| Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much, and also I could have seen it being B-E-Y, which would have been a very different type of Guantanamo. | ||
| That's true, that's true. | ||
| And finally, Alex Snowden, dot dot dot, no relation. | ||
| Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| What's fun about that is it could be no relation to Edward Snowden, or it could be no relation to Alex Jones, because people are sometimes related by first name. | ||
| I've heard him say that. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I have indefinitely heard him say that, yes. | ||
| So, we're going to be dealing with this 2003 episode, and I actually think right off the jump, we kind of have something that relates to the present day, and that is an insistence that there's false flags coming. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Former Defense Secretary says that nukes will go off in U.S. cities. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| Of course, he's CFR. | ||
| And, hey, they'll love it. | ||
| A nuke goes off in a city, they'll have even more of an excuse to tell you the government's your boss. | ||
| They're going to take all your rights for your safety. | ||
| And, of course, it won't be North Korea detonating that nuke, folks. | ||
| It will be the shadow government. | ||
| And out of that, all of their training, all of their takeover systems will be activated. | ||
| And things are going to go downhill very, very quickly. | ||
| Or we could speak out and get involved and blow the whistle inside and outside of government and stand up against the military-industrial complex and save America. | ||
| But the yuppies and the bureaucrats and all of you are in for a rude awakening. | ||
| You can't go on being part of an evil system forever and not have it turn on you. | ||
| And you're all about to find out. | ||
| You've all been finding out individually over time, but you're going to find out on a mass scale what your masters think of you and will do to you. | ||
| So we're entering the ninth circle of hell, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Just all the evidence is there. | ||
| 20 years ago. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So the prediction here is essentially that there's going to be a false flag North Korean nuke in a U.S. city and it's going to lead to World War III. | ||
| Which, of course, all happened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it probably didn't just because Alex talked about it and stopped the evil globalist plans. | ||
| Well, I mean, it was good because what I've seen is that the yuppies have not yet all woken up. | ||
| It doesn't seem like it. | ||
| It was nice of Alex to stop that. | ||
| And protect the yuppies from the darkness of the real... | ||
| In the bright, blinding reality. | ||
| All of society is bent towards coddling the yuppies, so why would we allow them to be hurt now? | ||
| You make a good point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, like I said, there's a real stretch of boring shit in 2003, in July, that I've been going through, just because it's fun. | ||
| To wade through the past. | ||
| But I heard Alex talking about the World War III nuking of cities, and it's like, eh, that's boring, too. | ||
| I could leave that aside. | ||
| But when I heard this, I was like, uh-oh, I'm in. | ||
| All right, ladies and gentlemen, coming up in about 12 minutes, we're going to be joined by Angela Lipsman's father. | ||
| Headline, Port K.O.'s college whiz kid. | ||
| A 15-year-old Manhattan girl whose parents sent her to college instead of high school has been told by a judge that she can't get her associate's degree even though she's got enough credits as city officials launch an educational neglect probe against her dad. | ||
| This is a story that is strange that it's existing on Alex Jones' show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's like, oh, there's gotta be something here. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Whatever details that we are given currently cannot be the entirety of this story. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| There's gotta be more. | ||
| And then also, like, I'd be lying if I didn't say that this also kind of spoke to me as somebody who, like... | ||
| You know, I dropped out of high school. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, there's educational youth stuff in my history. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so, you know, there's a bit of like, ooh, let's see what we got here. | ||
| I would have had a better chance of graduating college if I had skipped high school. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised about that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And obviously, if this person is taking college classes in high school, it does require... | ||
| Getting a GED or dropping out in some way. | ||
| You can't just walk in. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And as a GED recipient, I should say, it's less that I dropped out of high school and more that I got GED. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That makes this something that the deep in me speaks to the deep in this story. | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| And so I'm excited to hear about this. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| But first, Alex has to dwell on how this is a person who's too smart and the system's taking them down. | ||
| Boy, the more details we're going to get is going to be bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's the new America, folks. | ||
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You excel. | |
| You are punished. | ||
| You're a mindless idiot. | ||
| You're rewarded. | ||
| Harrison Bergeron. | ||
| Child kidnapping services is targeting homeschoolers nationwide. | ||
| Nationwide viciously attacking them. | ||
| There's moves to bar them from spelling bees and from geography bees because they keep winning everything. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I haven't seen a report where it wasn't a homeschooler. | ||
| Or someone from private school. | ||
| So they're attacking that viciously. | ||
| I don't know what kind of local spelling bees Alex might be including in his statistics here, so I can't really prove that that's bullshit. | ||
| But what I can do is discuss the big national one. | ||
| The largest spelling bee and the one that you've seen televised is the Scripps National Spelling Bee. | ||
| That's the one that's the venue in the movie Aquila and the Bee, and of course the documentary Spellbound. | ||
| That spelling bee started in 1927, and the first homeschooled winner was Rebecca Seelfen in 1997. | ||
| After her, George Thampy... | ||
| Oh my god, I remember her! | ||
| I'll tell you why. | ||
| Because the Scripps National... | ||
| I'm sorry, this is too intense a response for the Scripps National Spelling Bee. | ||
| No, put down the gun. | ||
| No, no, I'm coming for you. | ||
| No, no, the other thing that the Spelling Bee is great for is it was all of the best episodes of Cheap Seats starring the Sklar brothers, and she had just a fantastic episode. | ||
| She was great on the show, she was great, it was amazing. | ||
| Well, she was the first homeschooled winner. | ||
| Well, congratulations! | ||
| 70 years after the B started. | ||
| Almost. | ||
| After her, George Thampy and Sean Connolly both won as homeschoolers in 2000 to 2001. | ||
| Then six years later in 2007, Evan O'Dourney won, bringing the total to four homeschooled winners in 82 years. | ||
| If Alex wants to talk about who are really dominating the Spelling Bee game, he should talk about students from India. | ||
| They are far and away the most consistent winners in modern time or in recent years of the Scripps Bee. | ||
| The fact that homeschooled children are beating kids who go to public school in all these scholastic competitions isn't true. | ||
| It's just a centerpiece of homeschool propaganda. | ||
| And to be clear, I don't think there's something inherently wrong with making the decision to homeschool your child, but I do think it's unhealthy if it's motivated from the sort of place that Alex is coming from, where it's like, the schools are evil and indoctrinating your kids into globalism and multiculturalism. | ||
| Yeah, usually that's bad. | ||
| That I don't think is a healthy impulse or instinct. | ||
| But I understand some people have... | ||
| More rational reasons for homeschooling. | ||
| Right, like if you were, say, a PhD in pedagogy, you would be like... | ||
| Maybe I'm better than this elementary school teacher. | ||
| I honestly think that that might be unhealthy, too, because it seems to dovetail with your narcissism. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I think if you are, like, a PhD in therapy, you should also be your own child's therapist. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Makes most sense to me. | ||
| I'm not here to delineate what is and is not a healthy reason to homeschool. | ||
| I just know that some are not. | ||
| True. | ||
| So, he's got this incredible news. | ||
| He's got to interview this whiz kid. | ||
| But first, I mean, there's just important. | ||
| The news is incredible, but I do have a death threat email. | ||
| I get these about every week, and basically it says that I'm with Al-Qaeda because I believe in freedom, and that the guy says he's in Texas, and that if I ever come to Texas, I'm in deep trouble. | ||
| Well, I'm right here in Texas, sir. | ||
| Come on! | ||
| Yeah, come get me! | ||
| Come get me! | ||
| You know where I live! | ||
| You can even hear the, like, Lack of enthusiasm that Alex has about someone threatening to kill him in 2003. | ||
| Fine, whatever. | ||
| Not the first. | ||
| It's strange that he feels the need to bring this up, like, really at the top of the show. | ||
| But also the lack of conviction and passion is glaring. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think I want I'm with Al Qaeda on a shirt. | ||
| And a hand pointing to the person next to me. | ||
| That's what I really want to go through. | ||
| Don't put that up on our merch. | ||
| Absolutely, and I'm going through airport security tomorrow wearing that shirt just to see what kind of stuff I can shake out. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good idea. | ||
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That's a good idea. | |
| I encourage this. | ||
| I think it's great. | ||
| So Alex lists off a bunch of nonsense evidence that the globalists have been trying to dumb down the population for the last... | ||
| Forever. | ||
| Yeah, I was about to... | ||
| And then the proof of it is this Angela Lipsman whiz kid. | ||
| I've read the official U.S. government Senate documents where they say an educated population is hard to govern. | ||
| We need to destroy the thinking process of the American people. | ||
| That's over 100 years old. | ||
| UNESCO plans from the 50s saying that the family's the enemy. | ||
| Must be destroyed. | ||
| Bush, of course, is signing on to that. | ||
| We've had the former head of policy, Department of Education, number two position in the first Reagan administration, Charlotte Iserbeon. | ||
| She has the official documents, internal documents, classified documents, where they talk about how they want to train the kids to be mindless idiots. | ||
| And you don't see any greater evidence of how they don't want any free minds out there than the New York Post. | ||
| They reported on Angela Lipsman, who got into college at 11. At a big accredited college. | ||
| Which one? | ||
| And has a 3.8 grade average. | ||
| And they were very proud of her. | ||
| And now the judge got involved and said, you can't have your degree. | ||
| You didn't go to our accredited public school. | ||
| You didn't go to your government training camp for proper dumbing down. | ||
| And CPS, Child Grabbing Services, has been called in. | ||
| So Alex is lying about the situation with Angela and her diploma, but also all that other stuff was nonsense that he was getting into with these documents and UNESCO. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But we've talked about a lot of that in the past, so I'm just going to leave that soon. | ||
| Water off a duck's back on those. | ||
| So with Angela, the basic gist is this. | ||
| Angela had been taking college courses through the borough of Manhattan Community College for the past three years at this point, since she was 11, and she's now 14. And she'd earned enough credits to get an associate's degree. | ||
| Apparently there had been some interest from Vassar to have her come continue her education there, but she can't because the community college can't give her her associate's degree. | ||
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Right. | |
| This is because you can't get a higher-level degree without some form of primary degree. | ||
| You can graduate high school and get a diploma, or you can get an equivalence like a GED, and that works. | ||
| But most states have rules in place that you can't get a GED until the age you would be when you would graduate high school. | ||
| And in Angela's case, in New York, you have to be 17. This rule is in place for a number of reasons, but it's primarily because socially a 14 or 15 year old isn't ready to be in a college setting, generally, and even if you're intellectually able to handle the classroom material, it can be dicey. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We've seen the results of that too many times. | ||
| The burnout is brutal. | ||
| The bare minimum for this is generally 16 years old for GED issuing in states. | ||
| And that's the minimum age in most states that you can drop out of high school, period. | ||
| You can be allowed to do that. | ||
| It's generally seen as a preferred path for a student to skip a grade if they're overachieving because the alternatives don't really seem to be super healthy for a child, broadly speaking. | ||
| Plus, when children overachieve this aggressively, it's often a sign that they might be experiencing some unhealthy influence from parents, like the equivalent of an academic stage parent. | ||
| And that's something that you don't necessarily want to facilitate as a society. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So you want to have kind of some guardrails in place. | ||
| At the very least, you don't want to encourage it. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And there are tons of stories that you can find of people like Angela who have... | ||
| studied college level courses and gotten credits prior to graduating from high school. | ||
| But typically, you won't be awarded your degree, even if you earn all the credits for it, until you have an equivalence of high school. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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It's just pre- Pretty consistently across the board, how it has to go. | |
| Yeah, I tried to pull it off. | ||
| They wouldn't let me. | ||
| I got in trouble for it. | ||
| Almost every high school also has advanced placement classes, like AP classes that you can translate to college credit. | ||
| In some cases, you can take the test afterwards. | ||
| What had happened was I had finished all of those, and so I had a huge chunk of my schedule that was empty, so I had convinced them to let me go to the community college and take courses there. | ||
| But I hated those, so I found out that you could test out of those classes and get credit for them. | ||
| So instead of going to class... | ||
| It was like a game. | ||
| Yeah, I just kept taking all these tests and getting good grades in these classes, but I never went. | ||
| So eventually they found out that I was spending half of my day outside of school doing fuck all, and they got real mad at me, so I wasn't allowed to keep doing that. | ||
| Yeah, again, that's not what society is... | ||
| It's not beneficial to facilitate that, let's say, or however we'd want to phrase it. | ||
| No, I was immediately going to push back on you. | ||
| I was like, they shouldn't be doing that. | ||
| And I remember my story, and I was like, no, no, I get it. | ||
| Yeah, that's how it works. | ||
| Good call. | ||
| There's also more to Angela's story and this whole thing that Alex is letting on, and we'll get into that as we go along. | ||
| So when we start off, we get this interview going. | ||
| Alex is interviewing her dad, Daniel Lipsman, and she chimes in a couple times, but it seems like it's mostly this dude. | ||
| We are joined by Daniel Lipsman and his daughter, Angela Lipsman, and we really appreciate you coming on the show today. | ||
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Pleasure to be here. | |
| So, right off the bat, no real red flags. | ||
| And then he starts talking, and I got some problems. | ||
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It had everything to do with an arbitrary and capricious age requirement for a high school diploma that was totally irrelevant to the academic achievement of the diploma. | |
| Now the college can... | ||
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Now we've got some bright flags. | |
| Ooh, that's another one. | ||
| Malone's cynical decision only reinforces Lipsman's first rule of law. | ||
| Law is whatever the judge says it is. | ||
| So he's clearly reading off a script, like a diatribe, and it was really interesting to me the way Alex tried to interject and he just steamrolled. | ||
| And then he just quit. | ||
| Yeah, that was interesting. | ||
| I don't know if I've ever heard Alex just take an L like that. | ||
| Yeah, and then the break music started playing very shortly after that. | ||
| Yeah, so I kind of felt weird about that. | ||
| I've never really seen that kind of behavior from someone who's a guest or calling in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when I look at the totality of evidence I have in front of me and all the information I've been able to find, I don't care much for this Daniel Lipsman character. | ||
| It's one thing to support your very intelligent child's pursuit of appropriate education, but it's another thing entirely to do what he seems to be involved in. | ||
| For one thing, the whole studying at college at age 11 thing, it appears to have been Daniel's idea. | ||
| In a 2011 profile on Angela in the Borough of Manhattan Community College's website, Angela describes how she got started. | ||
| Quote, my dad had met Makia McDonald, who was then assistant to the vice president for student affairs and broached the idea of enrolling me in summer courses. | ||
| This was just after she graduated fifth grade. | ||
| And I don't know how that story doesn't include. | ||
| I told my dad I really wanted to go to college over the summer. | ||
| So he contacted Miss McDonald. | ||
| The way it's phrased makes it really seem like this was something that he was motivated Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| My dad said I was going to community college. | ||
| I don't see as much agency from her in the way that she tells the story in that profile. | ||
| Yeah, it does sound like my dad went behind my back, talked to this muckety-muck, broached the idea, and then the next thing I knew, he said, I've enrolled you in summer courses at the community college! | ||
| And I don't think that you necessarily get the sense that she's super opposed to it or anything, but it does seem like he's the... | ||
| The caboose. | ||
| It sounds like if you were asking me that question about swimming lessons, I'd be like, well, my parents saw an ad in the paper, and then the next thing I knew, I was at swimming lessons. | ||
| It'd be very similar. | ||
| So when you read this profile, you get a sense that she's an amazingly capable and driven person, but also the level of stress and responsibility that was being put on her at that age, I think is wildly inappropriate. | ||
| From the profile, quote, "I went to school every day like everyone else," she says, "but two evenings a week I took the subway downtown to Chambers Street to attend classes at BM MCC. | ||
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When she got home, she'd first tackle her sixth grade homework. | |
| That was the most challenging part, she admits, but somehow I was able to get enough sleep and wake up refreshed the next day, ready to do it all over again. | ||
| That sounds not great. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| So this would make me a bit weary, but the reality is that this isn't even the first time that Daniel Lipsman has used his child to try to bring legal action against the schools. | ||
| In 1999, Lipsman sued the New York City Board of Education because he felt that their uniform policy, quote, violates their rights to free speech, equal protection, privacy, and liberty under the First, Ninth, and Fourteenth Amendments. | ||
| The judge found his case to have no merit, so Lipsman, acting as the lawyer for himself in the case... | ||
| Did you need to say that? | ||
| Did anybody need to hear that he was acting as his own lawyer? | ||
| Well, technically not his own lawyer. | ||
| We'll get to that in a second. | ||
| But he waived all the claims, and the judge gave the school board summary judgment and informed Lipsman that if he didn't get an actual lawyer for the case, it would be dismissed. | ||
| He felt like he should be able to represent his daughter pro se, but it's established law that you can't appear pro se for someone else. | ||
| Yeah, that would... | ||
| Violate the everybody's entitled to an attorney kind of thing right there. | ||
| And the, you know, if you're not a lawyer and you're insisting on representing your child, then you're depriving them. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They're entitled to a lawyer and you are not one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Lipsman didn't get a lawyer and then decided to appeal the case, arguing that, quote, the district court's dismissal of Angela's claims on the ground that she lacked an attorney deprived her of her right to a day in court. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| Really taking some swings. | ||
| This guy is a big swinger. | ||
| This appeal would be rejected, and the prior dismissal affirmed. | ||
| This is right around the time that Angela was graduating fifth grade and starting college courses. | ||
| Taken together, I can't help but get a little bit of a picture of someone not acting from a place of trying to do what's best for his child, but actually more of someone who's acting out and using their child as a prop. | ||
| Otherwise, it's hard to understand how he wouldn't get a lawyer to try the case about uniforms if that was actually what this was about, like these underlying claims, as opposed to getting a chance to grandstand in front of a court. | ||
| There is a little seeming of, you know, oh, well, you won't let me do this because of the dress code? | ||
| Fine, then I'll put my kid into community college. | ||
| That'll show you. | ||
| I can't demonstrate that in any way, but the narrative arc seems there. | ||
| Yeah, and that guy's an asshole. | ||
| Daniel's issues go back even further than this. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| I was able to find a New York Times article from 1993 about how New York schools were delaying in opening that school year because there was a fear about asbestos. | ||
| So they were doing a thorough investigation before letting kids in. | ||
| Angela was about to begin kindergarten. | ||
| And according to this article, Daniel had taken the school board to court to try to force them to open the schools on September 9th, ultimately losing that case. | ||
| You could look at this as him having previously been really into schools and then a few years later going 180 degrees, but I actually think that this behavior tracks perfectly with his later actions. | ||
| He seems to like to sue people, particularly the school board, and I would guess he has a fairly libertarian-leaning set of politics, so I guess he would probably be... | ||
| Super opposed to spending money to inspect schools for asbestos. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Let's just red tape wasted money in bureaucracy. | ||
| I mean, what? | ||
| The free market should choose whether or not asbestos kills my child. | ||
| There's a weird string here, going back to 1993, of him repeatedly suing the school board for things that... | ||
| Seem a little weird. | ||
| Yeah, I imagine this is a guy who has a card ready and waiting at a security checkpoint, just like, you don't have the right to search my car, sir, thank you very much. | ||
| Right, this fight that he's having over the diploma issue is not the first time that he's tried to tangle with the school board on his, presumably on his daughter's behalf. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Theoretically on his daughter's behalf. | ||
| Yes, and that to me is a troubling pattern of behavior. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you know. | ||
| I imagine every single person involved, when he walks in the door, went, oh, God, this guy. | ||
| So that's not a good place to be. | ||
| I don't want to be that guy. | ||
| Also, I found two pieces of information about Daniel Lipsman that I found shocking. | ||
| One of them I can prove, and the other one is a little bit unclear. | ||
| He was dead the whole time. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| The one that's unclear is that I think he wrote a book in 1972 titled The Jewish Connection. | ||
| There's a listing for that book being written by Daniel Jean Lipsman in the Library of Congress' catalog of copyright entries, but I can't find the actual book, and I can't 100% confirm that this is the same person. | ||
| That is definitely his middle name, though, so it seems like the odds are pretty good, and in my experience, if you title the book The Jewish Connection, my eyebrows go up. | ||
| Yeah, and if you are a person suing the school board multiple times for ticky-tack stuff, you're the type of person who wrote The Jewish Connection. | ||
| I think that that's, you know, obviously we don't have any access to the book. | ||
| We could be making undue assumptions about it. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I have no idea. | ||
| Possible. | ||
| But it's strange. | ||
| Take a present, look backwards. | ||
| The thing that I can prove is that in 2020, Lipsman received exactly one vote in the race for the 13th District House seat in New York. | ||
| It seems like not too far-fetched to assume that he voted for himself. | ||
| It's a little gauche to vote for yourself. | ||
| Which means that he ended up tying with such illuminaries as Eugene V. Debs, R&B singer Keith Sweat, and a misspelling of Cat Williams. | ||
| Wait, so Eugene Debs was dead the whole time? | ||
| Maybe he's dead the whole time. | ||
| I don't know, maybe. | ||
| So actually there's a second vote, a write-in vote for Daniel J. Lipsman. | ||
| So he might have actually gotten two write-in votes. | ||
| I think that might have been him. | ||
| I think he accidentally misspelled his... | ||
| Which means that he beat Keith Sweat, and he tied with TV's Jon Stewart. | ||
| Ooh, so close! | ||
| Point is, I get the sense that this guy's not really acting above board, and there's a part of me that feels bad for Angela. | ||
| No one under 18 should have literally any exposure to Infowars, particularly not being interviewed on it and being used to create anti-public school propaganda the way this is being done. | ||
| I found that to be shitty. | ||
| Every part of this sucks for her only. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| In the end, their interview is boring, so we're not going to look into it too much. | ||
| But this incredibly fucked up thing did end up happening that just baffled me. | ||
| Real quick, do you have an email address for folks that might want to contact you? | ||
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Angela, do you have your email address? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Don't. | ||
| Would you like to give it out? | ||
| Don't. | ||
| I mean, you don't have to. | ||
| I'm just saying people might send you guys some federal rulings. | ||
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Well, no, the problem, Alex, is that she shares it with two other kids, and they may not want to. | |
| Oh, I understand now. | ||
| That's good instincts on Angela's part. | ||
| I can't imagine how Alex couldn't realize that giving out the contact information for a 14-year-old on his show might be a super inappropriate thing for him to do. | ||
| But not to be outdone by Alex's completely insane action, Daniel pops in and says this that blew my fucking mind. | ||
| Well, if folks want to get a hold of you, I'm sure they can find out how to do it. | ||
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I can give my address, though. | |
| I don't mind that. | ||
| Okay, go ahead. | ||
|
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It's Daniel Lipsman, L-I-P-S-M-A-N. | |
| 4420-4420. | ||
| Yeah, so he ends up giving out their home address, complete with apartment number. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| That's just not fucking cool at all. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I don't know what kind of, like, nobody's listening to this show-ass feeling they must have had to be able to, like, oh yeah, this is safe. | ||
| I mean, Jesus Christ. | ||
| I feel like he's got a copy of Catcher in the Rye on him at all times. | ||
| That kind of... | ||
| I can't imagine dodging the bullet of like, oh shit, we almost gave out a child's email address. | ||
| Let's give out her real address. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| She doesn't share that with two other little girls. | ||
| So this whole thing got resolved when Angela turned 16 and went to New Jersey, where she could get a GED at 16 as opposed to waiting until she was 17 in New York. | ||
| She got her degrees and ended up pursuing a path in law. | ||
| And as far as I can tell, she's a practicing attorney now. | ||
| So good for her. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I imagine she represented herself during the emancipation. | ||
| Unfortunately, this fingerprint still remains of this episode of Alex Jones' show where this story... | ||
| Unreal. | ||
| I'm glad that she landed on her feet, though, and seems to be alright. | ||
| I bet she is absolutely dynamite at Two Truths and a Lie. | ||
| Her Two Truths and a Lie game must be out of this world. | ||
| It's just three things that her dad sued the school board for, and one is made up. | ||
| One of them is made up! | ||
| Nuts. | ||
| So, Alex is just like, really, really like, come on. | ||
| Come on, wait until you're 17, 16 to get a GED. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| Now, Albany Supreme Court Justice Bernard Malone ruled Monday that because she's not 17, Angela is too young to obtain a high school closely diploma. | ||
| There's people in Texas I know that are 13 that get it. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| If you can take the test and pass it and get out of the system. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Yeah, that's not true. | ||
| Alex probably thinks that because he feels like Texas is a common-sense freedom state that you can get a GED whenever you want. | ||
| Yeah, it feels like you're freer in Texas than you are in other states. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, but you have to be 16. Yeah, so you're not freer. | |
| Uh-uh. | ||
| No, okay. | ||
| That guest was really interesting. | ||
| And obviously, I really enjoy digging in and trying to figure out what the real story is. | ||
| Yeah, you clearly had a great time with that one. | ||
| These 2003 episodes obviously offer a lot more variety in terms of those things. | ||
| I usually am not blessed with multiple instances of this in one episode. | ||
| But Angela and her dad was one story. | ||
| And Alex has another guest that's like, holy shit, this sounds like it's going to be amazing. | ||
| Coming up, eight minutes into the next hour, we have Dr. David Race Bannon coming on. | ||
| Race Against Evil, the secret missions of the Interpol agent who tracked the world's most sinister criminals. | ||
| I don't really know what to say about this whole story because of what I think of Interpol and what I know about the UN and who's involved in a lot of the crimes listed in this book. | ||
| But we'll find out with the guests. | ||
| It should be interesting. | ||
| That's fascinating. | ||
| This is very exciting. | ||
| Yeah, I feel like we're in you-can-buy guest spot territory for selling your book or the like. | ||
| So this guy, he did name himself after Race Bannon from Johnny Quest. | ||
| I was wondering, I wanted to be sure. | ||
| I wanted to be sure, but yes. | ||
| I can confirm that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yes, he's written a book called Race Against Evil. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| And so... | ||
| Colon, Race Colon Against Evil. | ||
| He's gotten a little bit of press about this. | ||
| He's an Interpol agent who... | ||
| Has a really, really extreme story about going around Europe and killing people who are involved in the human trafficking and child exploitation ring. | ||
| And Alex is a little bit ambivalent about this because he believes that Interpol is actually engaging in the trafficking itself. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And so he's having a difficult time squaring this, but he's going to interview Race Bannon. | ||
| No one is ready for this. | ||
| I'll tell you that right now. | ||
| I believe you. | ||
| And Alex isn't either, because he's got to go to some calls. | ||
| And there's a theme in these calls. | ||
| Dave in California, in Northern California, welcome. | ||
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Howdy, Alex. | |
| Hello, Dave. | ||
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I just wanted to congratulate you on your excellent interview with Ann Coulter last week. | |
| The level of discourse I heard from her is a good example of the dumbing down of America that you're discussing right now. | ||
| It's a babbling neocon. | ||
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Yes, and mainly I just wanted to tell you that I was thrilled to hear her honking and flapping like a goose that's been run over by a truck. | |
| Yeah, there's a real trend. | ||
| I think that most of the calls that he gets are about how he destroyed Ann Coulter. | ||
| I don't recall that. | ||
| I don't either. | ||
| I don't recall her flapping and honking like a goose. | ||
| Really, I recall her laughing at how stupid this was. | ||
| Yes, and that this is LaRouche shit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't think... | ||
| I mean, I didn't know geese laugh, but perhaps that's taught me a lesson. | ||
| Yeah, so he gets another call, and guess what? | ||
| It's about the same thing. | ||
| Bill in Wisconsin, you're on the air worldwide. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
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Yeah, Alex, I just want to agree with the last caller there. | |
| You did a tremendous job on her. | ||
| I just can't stand her. | ||
| She really thinks she's something, and you did a job. | ||
| She said, I haven't read the Patriot Act. | ||
| I said, well, you want me to read you a subsection? | ||
| No. | ||
| But you wrote in your book about how it doesn't take our rights. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And how we're liars. | ||
| That's not what she said. | ||
| No. | ||
| Neither on his show nor in the book. | ||
| There's a real interesting... | ||
| I mean, it's misogyny, really. | ||
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Yeah, absolutely. | |
| 100% misogyny entirely. | ||
| There is a real thread of that in the larger calls of resentment towards this woman who thinks she knows things. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's strange, but it's not too unexpected. | ||
| And I think one of the things that you really notice about this is that... | ||
| And Coulter is legit. | ||
| She's mainstream relevant. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so there's a preoccupation with and, like, an obsession with continuing the conversation about her long after that interview happened. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, like, sort of... | ||
| See if you can get some aftershocks of attention off the earthquake of the original interview. | ||
| And find ways to remold it and reshape it into, like, this heroic story that Alex vanquished Medusa or whatever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It would not surprise me. | ||
| To discover that most of the time when Alex is easily dismantled by a woman, a group of men get around him to gather and say that he's so great and he won. | ||
| He's the best. | ||
| There's no way a woman would ever defeat any of us. | ||
| It was so amazing how you yelled cupcake drunkenly at that woman at the woman's march. | ||
| Oh my, you're just a hero. | ||
| You really proved your points. | ||
| Men are better. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex gets to introducing Dr. David Race Bannon. | ||
| And he reads the excerpt, or like the little blurb of his book, and I gotta say, Alex could not sound more bored. | ||
| Let me just read some of the excerpts now, or the description of Race Against Evil, the secret mission of the Interpol agent who tracked the world's most sinister criminals. | ||
| And this electric narrative of suspense and intrigue delivers a first-hand account of heinous criminals and... | ||
| Stern justice from the insider's view of David Race Bannon. | ||
| At the age of 19, the American youth is recruited by Interpol after he is caught in a deadly riot in South Korea. | ||
| Over the next 15 years, Bannon is trained to work in the darkest regions of humanity, deny society's inhibitors against killing, and embrace the agency's role as deliverer of grim justice to evildoers. | ||
| Beyond the Reach of the Law, his assignments take him from the slave houses of Thailand and the disappearance of London's most notorious child pornographer to investigating the KAL-858 bombing and tracking terrorists and criminals in the United States. | ||
| And it's an interesting book, to say the least. | ||
| I even yawned in the middle of that. | ||
| This is a sleepy, bored reading of this. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| That's high intrigue. | ||
| I mean, it sounds like a movie. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So I imagine it's probably not as true as we would like it to be. | ||
| I mean, who knows? | ||
| This guy, I mean, he's named after a Johnny Quest character. | ||
| See, there's that. | ||
| That's a red flag. | ||
| Pretty legit. | ||
| That's an issue being recruited at 19 after being caught at a South Korean riot. | ||
| That one raises some red flags to me. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| That story is actually fairly interesting. | ||
| He was at a riot in South Korea, like a student uprising, and he got stabbed. | ||
| By some guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so he ended up having to kill him. | ||
| And then Interpol recruited him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They were really impressed with... | ||
| With the way he murdered that guy. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| At 19. Interpol is like, whoa, that's a good murderer. | ||
| Yeah, they're scouting. | ||
| At riots. | ||
| Now, I'm going to say that sounds far-fetched, but now that I hear it... | ||
| I think he'll tell a little bit more of the details of that story later, so we'll get to that when he gets to it. | ||
| But yeah, so he got recruited in, and he became part of this unit called Archangel that goes around and it deals with these human traffickers. | ||
| There's Minerva. | ||
| Just tell us the story and tell us about yourself and what happened. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| And I wouldn't say Interpol was the good guy. | ||
| Far from it. | ||
| However, certainly the subdirectorate of Interpol for which I worked, Archangel, our job was to identify those who buy and sell children across international lines. | ||
| Having said that, you've mentioned previously a couple of times, very good point. | ||
| For most listeners, it's difficult to wrap our brains around this type of crime. | ||
| Deferent to Alex's point. | ||
| Because Alex's main sticking point is going to be like, Interpol is evil. | ||
| And he's like, yeah, Interpol is totally evil. | ||
| But not my part. | ||
| I'm dope. | ||
| Which I think is smart. | ||
| That's a good way to placate Alex's concerns. | ||
| He's not going to come with too many hard questions if you concede to his main point right out of the gate. | ||
| What's the point of having cake if you can't eat it? | ||
| So I think one of the things that I'd like to do as an experiment is sort of... | ||
| I want you to experience this information and see what you think about it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Are there red flags? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you already had one that's Ray Spanner. | ||
| Sure, that one's trouble. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But we're going to begin the story at the beginning, and we're going to go through all the way to the end. | ||
| And we're going to go piece by piece to see what is true and what's not true. | ||
| Well, I mean, we can't really know that at this point, but I just want you to have your instincts. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| As somebody who takes in information and assesses it, how do you feel? | ||
| Right now, this guy sounds like a cold-blooded killer. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And we'll go on to this next clip where Alex is really trying to nail this part down that is like, sure. | ||
| There are people out there who are running human trafficking and what have you, but every time I look into it, it's my enemies who are doing it. | ||
| Sure! | ||
| Isn't that weird? | ||
| Yeah, and so let's see if Bannon agrees. | ||
| So what I'm saying is, every time I track it back, it's the UN, it's major corporations, and then there are federal agencies and other agencies that are trying to stop it, but they always get pulled off of it when they get too high up the chain. | ||
| Exactly correct. | ||
| My years with Interpol, when we were assigned to track these individuals, many times we would find within a network of these slavery rings, there were individuals highly placed, either religious or political leaders or people of old money, and very seldom were those individuals our targets. | ||
| Instead, we would target people lower down the chain. | ||
| And then it really becomes an overarching system, an intelligence system, so the elite knows how close other agencies are getting to what they're doing. | ||
| That is correct. | ||
| Well... | ||
| Problem number one is very simple. | ||
| If you are in control of your story, why are you agreeing with absolutely random, insane things Alex is saying? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, if your story was true, wouldn't you say true things instead of be like, Alex, you got it exactly right. | ||
| Unless that is part of his true story. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's not necessarily to say that, you know, Alex bringing this up is forcing him to change his story. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You haven't read his book. | ||
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Right. | |
| That might actually be... | ||
| Part of his life story. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So you have the construction, though, of this guy is an insider. | ||
| He worked at Interpol in this agency. | ||
| Archangel. | ||
| Archangel. | ||
| And he has experienced that Interpol is essentially just a cover-up operation protecting these really rich and powerful people while taking out lower-level folks. | ||
| See, now, he didn't say that. | ||
| Well, that's what was said. | ||
| That's what was said. | ||
| And then he said, exactly right, Alex. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That I have a problem with. | ||
| I don't think, I mean, my sense of it from the Fuller interview is I don't think that he would not say that. | ||
| What wouldn't he say? | ||
| Well, he would say that he's killed a lot of people. | ||
| Yeah, well. | ||
| I do believe that there are a lot of people in Interpol who wanted this. | ||
| Terrible traffic to stop and were doing everything they could to stop it. | ||
| But I also know that frequently we were not assigned the cases where it was very clear an individual of significant influence was either buying and selling child pornography or actually involved in purchasing the services of child prostitutes. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| Now, you would assassinate these people. | ||
| The teams with Archangel, known as Cleaners, were, in essence, assassination teams, yes. | ||
| And I guess we'll talk about that when we get back, but how did you get into this? | ||
| That's really, I guess, where the story should start. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| Do we want to talk about it when we get back? | ||
| We've got a few minutes right now. | ||
| I just wanted to warn you of that. | ||
| But, yeah, how did this start? | ||
| Well, I started as a Mormon missionary in South Korea, of all things. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So, yeah, he's an assassin. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| How are you feeling? | ||
| You ever see Bloodsport? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| You know how that's... | ||
| Dukes? | ||
| Frank Dukes? | ||
| You know how that's a true story? | ||
| Based on a true story? | ||
| It definitely is. | ||
| I'm getting a lot of Bloodsport vibes from this right now. | ||
| Kumite. | ||
| I'm getting a lot of Kumite vibes. | ||
| I'm getting a lot of... | ||
| The military had to let me go fight in this underground tournament because I was too good for them to get in the way of. | ||
| But they had to keep tabs on me because I'm too good. | ||
| What if I fight against the whole government? | ||
| Well... | ||
| Yeah, that's interesting you have those vibes. | ||
| I'm having those vibes right now. | ||
| It's totally understandable that you would. | ||
| Because this story is wild. | ||
| Yeah, so he's part of an assassination team. | ||
| I think that there's a strange trend in some of these guests that Alex has that they like to portray themselves as hitmen. | ||
| Larry Nichols has claimed that he killed people for the clans. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Hard rice, soft rice. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| It's... | ||
| Yeah, I don't understand why these folks just insist on playing up murder credentials. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Whether true or not, because we know in Larry's case it was bullshit. | ||
| He admitted that he lied about that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In this case, this guy still might have been an actual cleaner. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know too many people who... | ||
| I mean, you know, I don't know too many people who've killed anybody. | ||
| Well, then also, we've got to add Alex himself to the list. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He's bragged about killing people. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Why? | ||
| Do people look up to you if you kill a lot of people? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I think it's a machismo thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Being menacing, scaring people as part of their masculinity. | ||
| See, I mean, I feel like every person I've ever met and known who has killed anybody, though, has been like... | ||
| Killing people is not something to ever say. | ||
| How many people have you met who have killed people? | ||
| Two. | ||
| Soldiers? | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| I mean, my grandfather's both thought in there. | ||
| That makes much more sense. | ||
| That makes way more sense than the other couple of days I was out at a bar and somebody was like, yeah, I got medals and shit. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Both of them were very much like, not something to brag about. | ||
| I think that you hear that typically in interviews and stuff with people who have been in the service. | ||
| Actually done it. | ||
| This story begins for him in South Korea in this riot, and he'll discuss that here a little bit. | ||
| Well, I started as a Mormon missionary in South Korea, of all things, and got involved in a riot in South Korea at the time. | ||
| It was a very war-torn country. | ||
| Some 2,500 students were killed during that riot, and I was required to use lethal force to defend myself. | ||
| My actions came to the attention of an Interpol recruiter, and it was... | ||
| Just convenient for him to have somebody who had Korean language training and was malleable to their propaganda techniques, as many fundamentalist Christians are. | ||
| That's why they use the Brotherhood out of D.C. to recruit a lot of people young. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Fundamentalist Christian college campuses are without doubt the primary recruitment ground for most intelligence agencies. | ||
| The reason being that if you have someone young and naive who will equate service to God with service to country, You can get them to do anything. | ||
| Oh, man, that whole thing about marrying fundamentalist service to God with a form of patriotism and how you can get people to do just about anything can't help but feel like that has heavy resonance with Alex's present-day career. | ||
| No, I can't think anything about that. | ||
| That seems like exactly what he does, except for instead of getting people to do things in service of their country, he just gets them to buy pills. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's a little bit different. | ||
| The mentality is pretty much the same. | ||
| He's just basically describing Alex's business model. | ||
| Wed religion with, yeah. | ||
| I'm feeling like if he weren't recruited by Interpol... | ||
| He would have been recruited by the Secret Space Program. | ||
| I'm getting all of the recruiters for various places were all at that particular riot. | ||
| They were kind of looking around and he just got nabbed by Interpol first. | ||
| He was about to be a super soldier and he doesn't even know how much he missed out on it. | ||
| All of these groups, like the Secret Space Program, Interpol... | ||
| Globalists. | ||
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Sure. | |
| All of them were there for, like, a convention. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the riot itself was actually just, like, a recruitment thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They were all watching with binoculars. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Like, it's a squid game. | ||
| It's exactly a squid game. | ||
| They squid gamed until people became soldiers. | ||
| Yep, that makes sense. | ||
| So Alex wants to ask about, like, how many people have you killed? | ||
| Like, you're talking about being an assassin. | ||
| How many people have you killed? | ||
| We were then given a dossier on this individual and assigned either as a team or singly to track this individual and extract as much information as possible from them, either through undercover work or sometimes through torture and then ultimately eliminate them. | ||
| How many people did you torture and kill, Doctor? | ||
| If I may dodge that question, I will answer this. | ||
| The head of Archangel, Commissioner Jacques Deferre, with Interpol, told me that of the some 250 Archangel cleaners, or assassins, most of them were responsible for into three digits. | ||
| Three digits? | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But you look at the BBC and Reuters, I mean... | ||
| It is amazing. | ||
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It is of huge global proportions. | |
| The money that is generated is into the billions of dollars. | ||
| So he's killed hundreds of people? | ||
| Into the hundreds of people? | ||
| That's the type of thing where somebody's like... | ||
| See, this is so crazy they'll have to believe it. | ||
| There's no way anyone would believe that I would lie about that many. | ||
| It's too obvious that I'm lying. | ||
| That's why they'll buy it. | ||
| I'm getting a strong sense that you've tracked this. | ||
| You've marked this as bullshit. | ||
| I am pretty close to saying definitively this is complete bullshit. | ||
| See, these instincts that you have. | ||
| It's in the three digits. | ||
| All of the cleaners. | ||
| For the Interpol! | ||
| 250 or so of them have three-digit kill numbers. | ||
| That's a lot of people. | ||
| That's a few thousand people. | ||
| For targeted assassination missions. | ||
| So you're telling me that these people are important enough to be assassinated, but not important enough for anybody to notice that thousands of them are going missing all the time. | ||
| No, it's probably covered up by Interpol. | ||
| Oh, that makes sense. | ||
| So yeah, you have, you know, just the basic gist of this story is already giving you massive Red flags. | ||
| The South Korean riot that leads to being recruited by Interpol where he ends up becoming part of a program called Archangel where he's killed... | ||
| Into the hundreds of people. | ||
| It's a little fantastical. | ||
| I'm getting close to what is going to be my favorite part of the story, which is the part where they have to explain why their evil organization that has directed them to murder thousands of people will absolutely not harm them whatsoever after leaving and revealing all of those secrets. | ||
| Well, I think it's obvious, and that will come up. | ||
| Oh, I know! | ||
| There's going to have to be an explanation for it, and I'm looking forward to it. | ||
| There's already an explanation. | ||
| That is unspoken, but I found this in looking into him, into why Interpol won't say that he actually was an agent, and that's because, of course they wouldn't. | ||
| Why would they? | ||
| They'd never reveal that. | ||
| No. | ||
| This time, no. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, look, one of the big things that Alex wants to really nail down in terms of this interview is that they're ignoring the upper-level people, like the globalists. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They get a pass from Interpol. | ||
| They're not saying Rothschilds, but that's basically the vibe that I'm getting from him. | ||
| When he says old money, that's what I'm feeling. | ||
| You might make that assumption. | ||
| What really runs this? | ||
| What does it lead back to? | ||
| Well, ultimately it comes down to money, as almost all of these pernicious rings do. | ||
| The producers themselves had to have customers. | ||
| When we were able to extract information from the producers, frequently they would name... | ||
| Some of the names that we were given we would deliver to our commissioner and never hear again. | ||
| And they were names of people that are infamous in the world for their either political, monetary, or religious influence. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, that's what... | ||
| Just incredible to see this going on. | ||
| Wow, this is exactly what I've made up stories about for a long time, and now you're telling me that all of it's true. | ||
| This is overwhelming. | ||
| Alex is not doing the work to sell this. | ||
| But he's also not doing the work of the sort of... | ||
| I don't know, critical analysis of the information that's coming in that even you're doing. | ||
| The baseline of, like, are you serious? | ||
| He's just accepting all of this. | ||
| It really feels like he's just trying to get this guy to finish his story and then get him off the air. | ||
| Like, he's just going constantly. | ||
| He's just like... | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| He's on for the rest of the show. | ||
| Get the fuck out. | ||
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No. | |
| Why? | ||
| Alex is thrilled. | ||
| This is bullshit! | ||
| Alex is thrilled by this. | ||
| How? | ||
| Well, it's because it feeds into the narratives that Alex already has in place. | ||
| Namely, that they're going around, they're finding these people, and then they're using Interpol as a way to cover up these rich and powerful people. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| And that then those rich and powerful people are being blackmailed in order to do exactly what the globalists want them to. | ||
| We then were encouraged to infiltrate the network, just basically doing standard undercover work. | ||
| We would develop a complete legend or cover story and get as much information as possible before we ultimately eliminated our targets, sometimes using torture if necessary. | ||
| While we were doing this, we often would uncover many names within the network that were not known to us, just low-level producers, again, all across the world, and occasionally a name would pop up that was immediately recognizable, or upon further research we could see was highly placed within a government, within a religious organization, or some major global corporation. | ||
| Were you allowed to go after those people? | ||
| Not once. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| So in a way, again, it was an intelligence bureau for those in the establishment that were doing this to insulate themselves. | ||
| And just talking around the warehouse where we trained at Archangel, talking with some of our supervisors, etc., we do know that there were occasionally times when these individuals were blackmailed with the information that we had uncovered to suit the current agenda of Interpol. | ||
| So this all works perfectly for Alex. | ||
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Right. | |
| He likes this. | ||
| This is great. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Are you telling me that Interpol is in the business of blackmailing world leaders? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why is Interpol doing it? | ||
| Right? | ||
| Isn't that our first question? | ||
| Ultimately, at the end of the day, Interpol does not exercise a lot of power in the global structure. | ||
| No, that's not the first question. | ||
| It might be your first question. | ||
| It's a question. | ||
| It's not really even a relevant question for this interview. | ||
| Sure, that's fair. | ||
| Far more relevant. | ||
| Let's talk some more about those assassinations. | ||
| How'd you kill those people? | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Just an average, committing hundreds of assassinations, an average assassination, how would that play out? | ||
| Well, each assassination team, a team of cleaners, usually was three or four individuals. | ||
| Sometimes we were sent out singly or in teams. | ||
| The teams had their own strengths and weaknesses. | ||
| My particular forte was what's known as close wet work. | ||
| That is, close quarter combat using hands or bladed weapons. | ||
| Walking up and stabbing somebody in the neck or head. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Basic special forces type stuff. | ||
| Yes, yes, absolutely. | ||
| And the methods that we used were designed to eliminate the person quickly and quietly. | ||
| There were other methods used, of course, and there were individuals to specialize in that. | ||
| Poisoning, shootings, ever sabotage vehicles, or was that not sure enough? | ||
| That is definitely not sure enough. | ||
| Yeah, so this guy's a master in knives. | ||
| I was proficient in the size. | ||
| Other people in my group had precision with swords. | ||
| A bow staff. | ||
| There was a bow staff, of course. | ||
| A nunchuck guy. | ||
| There was a nunchuck guy, but he was a little bit out there. | ||
| He was a party dude. | ||
| He had a lot of fun. | ||
| I'm telling you, you know what? | ||
| On those long road trips, he would keep us laughing. | ||
| He was a good guy. | ||
| He was a good guy. | ||
| Sad I had to murder him! | ||
| Yeah, so he's got like... | ||
| They got a team that's like... | ||
| You've got proficient in knives. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| You've got the dirty dozen. | ||
| You fucking asshole. | ||
| You've got the guy who's a sharpshooter. | ||
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Close. | |
| You've got a knife guy. | ||
| Probably an explosions person. | ||
| Yeah, there's got to be an explosions experience. | ||
| I've got to correct myself. | ||
| Oh, wait. | ||
| Explosions aren't precise enough. | ||
| No car bombs. | ||
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No, no. | |
| There's a grease man, of course, who can get into narrow situations. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| No, I get it. | ||
| One of the things that I think makes his story seem maybe more believable for Alex is this... | ||
| Next clip talking about the sort of... | ||
| It's not exciting to kill people. | ||
| That kind of thing is counter to what you would expect somebody telling this story to say. | ||
| And so it lends a little bit more credibility since it's sort of off expectations. | ||
| The throbbing horror of taking another person's life and of using torture techniques to extract information, of course, plays heavily on one's soul and is very difficult to deal with. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure it's hurting me so bad. | ||
| How did I address it? | ||
| Frequently, these individuals, we would either catch them with child or we would catch them surrounded by video or photographic images of this individual abusing children. | ||
| Seeing those images, it was not too difficult then to use the methods in which I was trained to extract the information. | ||
| Yeah, you're literally just sending a demon back to hell. | ||
| Yeah, so it's a dull, throbbing horror as opposed to an exciting, flashy, tense situation. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| This would be a fucked up interview no matter what, really. | ||
| I don't know... | ||
| Like, where are you at in your own brain that you can hear somebody in such a banal way just be like, I executed hundreds of people and tortured with no legal justification beyond what it was we saw. | ||
| We have an archangel mandate. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| License to kill, baby. | ||
| And then I'm listening to this person and I am in Alex's place going... | ||
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Ooh! | |
| Ah! | ||
| Instead of, you're a fucking terrifying psychopath and you need to be stopped at all costs. | ||
| I should say that Alex does have some misgivings about this. | ||
| And, like, emotionally, he totally understands and agrees with killing these people. | ||
| Oh, sure, you have to murder people, absolutely. | ||
| But he does think that this sets kind of a bad precedent. | ||
| It can. | ||
| It can. | ||
| So I appreciate him at least giving voice to that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So Alex has some, just sort of a, you know, like, this is tough stuff, but we gotta face it. | ||
| It's horrible, it's upsetting, it's depressing. | ||
| But as Patrick Henry said, if we don't face the truth, we'll be destroyed. | ||
| Alright, I'm inspired by that. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's time to face the truth. | ||
| And I think you've already figured out some of the truth. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| That David Race Bannon, everything he said on the show is a complete lie. | ||
| That sounds about right. | ||
| In 2006, Bannon, whose previous name was David Dilley, but he had actually legally changed his name to Bannon to sound cooler, he was arrested in Colorado on a number of charges. | ||
| He was charged with criminal impersonation, computer crime, and attempted theft. | ||
| We'll get into the details on this, but the short version is that he just made up this entire story about working for Interpol. | ||
| U.S. authorities were essentially fine with letting it go, but it became a huge problem when they realized he was using these fake credentials to, quote, solicit fees in excess of $3,000 for a two-day training course on human trafficking. | ||
| At that point, he was actively profiting off of his criminal impersonation, so they decided it was time to step in. | ||
| Bannon would go on to take a plea deal where he admitted to the criminal impersonation, and the other computer crime and theft charges were dropped. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a chance that he actually could have done prison time for this, but the prosecution specifically decided not to pursue it, and the fact that he had to undergo mental health and substance abuse treatment leads me to believe that there was something relevant to that that made it so, like, we think that he's... | ||
| Well, I mean, it gets back to the point of saying something like this, which is, if you did all of these things and you're saying it, you're... | ||
| Absolutely out of your fucking mind. | ||
| And if you didn't do all of these things and you're saying it, you're absolutely out of your fucking mind. | ||
| There's something going wrong. | ||
| So the bottom line here is that this guy is a complete fraud, and the stories he's telling based on personal experience that he's had are all lies. | ||
| All the stuff about how he knew that Interpol was ignoring some reports of powerful people involved in child trafficking are just something he made up. | ||
| The stuff about torturing and killing child pornographers, that was from his imagination. | ||
| The stuff about... | ||
| The Charlotte Observer has a really good article about this where they rely on statements from Interpol itself as well as an interview with Bannon's ex-wife to make pretty clear how much of a fraud he is. | ||
| She explains that during the period of time he claims he was out there killing human traffickers, he was actually, quote, teaching computer classes at a community college in Raleigh. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| He was in North Carolina, not North Korea. | ||
| Well, that sounds nice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| By her assessment, Bannon was a habitual liar, and she, quote, doesn't think David is well. | ||
| He wanted to be a hero and wanted to be a writer, so he created a heroic backstory in a book which kind of solved both problems. | ||
| The way she sums it up is actually pretty devastating. | ||
| Quote, he wants to be special, but he doesn't want to put in the work. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jesus Christ, lady! | ||
| I mean, you're right. | ||
| That is devastating. | ||
| Hilariously, one of the sources that did some of the really good work deconstructing his fraudulent backstory is a website called Bushido.net, which has a forum that's dedicated to exposing people who lie about their martial arts background. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| Unfortunately, Bannon claimed to be a third-degree black belt in Hapkido, and this got some of the folks at Bushido poking around. | ||
| You done fucked! | ||
| Up now! | ||
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You stepped into the wrong fucking arena, my friend! | |
| Yep. | ||
| So they poked around and figured out that he was pretty much clearly lying about that belt, and that led to pulling some threads. | ||
| Their post that originally started on how he was lying about his martial arts skills ended up expanding into a savage takedown of his book, and if their description of the plot is accurate at all, this is one of the most ambitious lies I've seen on this show. | ||
| Let's hear it. | ||
| There's so much international intrigue and murder. | ||
| Bannon even has to kill a friend and lover named Eun-Mi when he finds out that she's a North Korean... | ||
| I knew it! | ||
| I knew we were going to get a spy! | ||
| that's almost breathtaking. | ||
| They show that based on the year he claimed it happened, that South Korean riot he says he was in could not have actually even happened at all. | ||
| They had somebody in France go to investigate whether or not a French secret servant member that he claimed to be engaged to but died in the line of duty was a real person or not. | ||
| Spoiler alert, she wasn't. | ||
| It was all made up. | ||
| They even contacted the Korean school he claims to have a PhD from, and they have no records of him getting a degree at all. | ||
| Great. | ||
| It's amazing stuff, and it really helps make sense of why the Charlotte Observer article about him is titled, The Man Who Lied About Everything. | ||
| Yeah, he pretty much... | ||
| I think that this entire interview with Alex really highlights two problems with his show that existed in 2003, and he's done zero work to remedy. | ||
| The first is that he's the most gullible Mark who's ever hosted a show of this size. | ||
| Just about anyone can come in and tell him made-up stories about something he wants to believe, and Alex will buy it wholesale and pass it on to the audience's truth. | ||
| People like this guy or Steve Buchanek say the stuff that Alex wants to hear and things that make his narratives easier, but they also create a perception that geopolitically significant, presumably heroic people, they think that Alex's show is an important place to make an appearance. | ||
| And that validating of Alex's narcissism is just something he can't resist taking part in, regardless of how clear a liar he's having to vouch for in order to get his fix. | ||
| The second problem is actually a bit more serious. | ||
| And that's because of how irresponsibly Alex handles this stuff. | ||
| He's actively disrespecting the very issues he's pretending to take seriously. | ||
| Uncritically interviewing this Dr. Race Bannon isn't a front to people who take the fight against human trafficking seriously. | ||
| Instead of dealing with the issue soberly as it exists in the real world, Alex retreats into his own fantasies and in the process helps this guy promote and profit off of creating a fake life story that treats the exploitation of children as an intriguing plot. | ||
| essentially it's a prop to his story. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Alex should be really ashamed of his participation in this, but obviously race Bannon should get to the lion's ship. | |
| of the flack here. | ||
| The notion that he created this entirely fake career in Interpol and was using it to run seminars on human trafficking is terrifying. | ||
| It's unknown all the organizations that he sold these seminars to, but when he was arrested, it came about in the aftermath of one of his speaking engagements on a college campus in Colorado. | ||
| After he took that gig, the Colorado police caught wind of him and contacted him to see if he would do a training session for the police. | ||
| He quoted his price, and that was plenty to fill out the warrant. | ||
| The point is, he was willing to lie to students about the reality of this very serious issue of human trafficking, and he was willing to lie to police in a training setting, and he probably had in the past. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This guy's more than a charlatan. | ||
| He's a person who made his living disrespecting victims of human trafficking, and it's just amazing that Alex can't or will not see through this very clear fantasy story of murders and spy novel tropes just because it works to help him demonize the people that he wants to demonize. | ||
| It's a shortcut. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's taking a shortcut. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| as like obviously this guy is the real problem his appearance and the way alex was engaging with it really does have a connective line to the present day yeah his show sucked in similar ways back then and he never learned he never he never fixed these holes in the boat Or whatever. | ||
| No, he learned, but he learned that the holes in the boat are what keeps him floating, oddly enough. | ||
| Yeah, that may be true. | ||
| The paradox may be accurate. | ||
| Or maybe he realizes it's in his best interest to sink the boat, and so the holes are actually good. | ||
| Oh, I can breathe underwater? | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, if you don't get consequences for your actions beyond being rewarded for them, then you're not going to change your behaviors. | ||
| It's, you know, all too often this is a little bit Skinnerism with Alex of just direct, if you reward him for this behavior, he continues to do it. | ||
| It's very simple. | ||
| And he does seem to have no ability to experience negative feedback. | ||
| There's no constructive criticism in his world, really, that ever seems to exist. | ||
| And so there is no negative feedback. | ||
| Yeah, negative feedback is just proof positive that you are on the right track. | ||
| And so negative feedback is positive feedback. | ||
| Right, because those are globalists trying to fuck with you. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And positive feedback, well, that's just positive feedback, baby. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It makes for a devastating loop. | ||
| It's brutal. | ||
| So there was another thing that they have a conversation about that I think is a little troubling. | ||
| And that is that they seem to want to, when I say they, I mean Alex and Race Bannon. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They both seem to want to invade Thailand. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| The U.S. should invade Thailand because of human trafficking concerns, which I think is geopolitically weird. | ||
| You talk about Thailand, a military invasion, I'm all for it. | ||
| I mean, that's pure evil. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And in ten minutes, Bush should get the evidence of what he needed to go into Thailand, but they don't even have sanctions on Thailand. | ||
| We should have sanctions on them, shouldn't we? | ||
| Not even sanctions. | ||
| It amazes me that the things that we seem to worry about and obsess over, and yet here are literally thousands of innocent children. | ||
| And I've been in Thailand on a number of assignments, and we saw parents with children as young as two years old walking up to brothels to sell them into slavery. | ||
| Those parents should have their heads blown off and the child should be given to adoption. | ||
| And you see, here I am, hearing that, I want to kill them. | ||
| I mean, I understand how you could do this. | ||
| I'm not denying that child exploitation and human trafficking does exist at all, but these dudes are having a fraudulent conversation here surrounding a fake lived experience that this guy is describing. | ||
| That's being used to call for geopolitical things like invading Thailand, starting a war. | ||
| I thought Alex was an anti-intervention guy, really against war. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| It seems strange. | ||
| I just don't... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, and they're... | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Just really going out there and saying that where people can hear it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Should start a war. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| So they decide they're going to take some calls. | ||
| I mean, just really. | ||
| Some asshole said that there's a lot of human trafficking going on in Thailand, so you know what? | ||
| Let's invade. | ||
| Or at least sanctions. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which I feel like Alex shouldn't be for either. | ||
| What do we do? | ||
| Based on his politics. | ||
| What is happening? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But we're going to take some calls. | ||
| We cannot ignore it. | ||
| Dr. David Race Bannon, PhD, is our guest. | ||
| He was an assassin or cleaner for Interpol, killing low-level animals. | ||
| Say that again. | ||
| And tell me it's true. | ||
| He's got a lot of courage. | ||
| Basically a hero. | ||
| Does Interpol kill people? | ||
| I feel like they don't. | ||
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Interpol doesn't even fucking do much, right? | |
| Am I crazy? | ||
| They had a couple albums. | ||
| Well, I mean, Turn On The Bright Lights was their best one. | ||
| It didn't get better after that. | ||
| Let's be real. | ||
| Untitled 2 was pretty good. | ||
| Don't know enough Interpol songs or albums to make this joke work. | ||
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Shit. | |
| Ah, you went out on a limb. | ||
| This is a riff dead end. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know the extent to which Interpol is going around with assassination squads. | ||
| But leaving that aside... | ||
| It's embarrassing the way that Alex has now accepted this story and is reporting it as opposed to being like, I'm talking to somebody who claims that he was. | ||
| That would maybe be a responsible way to interview this guy with a little bit of pushback. | ||
| And, like, let him air the claims but make it clear that you, as the person the audience trusts, have some misgivings about the story. | ||
| At least some. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Instead, Alex is like, this fucking guy rules. | ||
| I can't believe we got this guy. | ||
| I can't believe we got this guy. | ||
| How is this guy available? | ||
| What a hero. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| So let's really just fucking get into it. | ||
| Every time we look back in history, this is an elite practice, is it not, Doctor? | ||
| It is very much so. | ||
| And my PhD is in Asian history from Seoul National University, by the way. | ||
| And I can assure you that all throughout Asian history, as well as Western history, the elite have pursued this grotesque and dark fetish. | ||
| There you go, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| That's the New World Order for you. | ||
| Pure trash, pure evil. | ||
| Anything else, Will? | ||
| No, that's all. | ||
| More power to you. | ||
| Thank you, Will. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| You know what, listeners? | ||
| You kept telling me to have this guy on. | ||
| What he's saying is accurate, unfortunately. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| It's horrible. | ||
| Let's... | ||
| And we have to talk about it. | ||
| So that's a grim added detail for me. | ||
| Like, the fact that the audience had requested Alex interview, Ben, it means that he had every opportunity to do some vetting before having him on, or preparing for the interview in any way, so he wouldn't just get duped by a con man into making a mockery of child exploitation. | ||
| The act of not preparing for this interview, I want to be very clear about this, Is a choice. | ||
| And I suspect it's one that Alex routinely makes, because if he prepared, he wouldn't be able to justify interviewing these really ambitious liars who help him create profitable narratives and validate his own inflated sense of self. | ||
| Real guests wouldn't do that for him, and if he treated the conmen he interviews like they deserve to be treated... | ||
| They wouldn't provide him with what he needs. | ||
| It's kind of like an unspoken, mutually beneficial arrangement between liars. | ||
| We get a plausible deniability, you get a platform to say we're bullshit. | ||
| And then maybe you get hired by another cop agency to teach them about fucking human trafficking. | ||
| In a way that will be completely useless to them as a training exercise. | ||
| And maybe, let's be clear, counterproductive. | ||
| It might actually impede their ability to deal with this very real and serious issue. | ||
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| Fuck these people. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| So anyway, they talk about his book here, Race Against Evil. | ||
| Get it because his name is Race Bannon? | ||
| Fun. | ||
| Dr. Bannon, I didn't bring my book to the studio today with me that I got last week. | ||
| Who publishes your book? | ||
| New Horizon Press. | ||
| They're an imprint of Penguin Publishing. | ||
| Wow, so a big publisher, was it? | ||
| And folks, we interview a lot of folks who publish books. | ||
| and they don't just let you write a book like this without checking it out. | ||
| They absolutely do. | ||
| And it's amazing. | ||
| You can write any old book you want. | ||
| And reading the book, unfortunately, it looks accurate to me. | ||
| I have great news. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| So I am actually not entirely even sure that New Horizon is an imprint of Penguin Books. | ||
| Penguin has a list on their website of all their imprints, and New Horizon isn't included, which wasn't a good sign off the jump. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then in 2021, they decided to close up shop, and in a post announcing the end of operations of New Horizon, they discussed the history of the publishing company, and they don't mention Penguin at all, which is another bad sign. | ||
| I don't believe it actually was part of Penguin. | ||
| If you were an imprint of Penguin Publishing, you would have mentioned that... | ||
| You're an imprint of Penguin Publishing. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Or at least thanks to Penguin for being a partner throughout. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I don't believe that, but Alex is using that part of his lie in order to establish that they would have done fact-checking, so therefore this guy's story must be true. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And I think that that's just super duplicitous. | ||
| What? | ||
| You think they would just let you make a movie out of a lie? | ||
| They wouldn't check up on it? | ||
| They wouldn't be like... | ||
| What is the Kubatay and why is this guy there? | ||
| They wouldn't do any of that? | ||
| It's gotta be true, Dan! | ||
| Has to be. | ||
| Has to be. | ||
| So we get some interesting stories here at this point. | ||
| Because I think maybe this Bannon character is maybe feeling a little bit more like Alex is saying all this stuff is true. | ||
| Let's let it go. | ||
| Getting a little high on his own supply. | ||
| So in this next clip we hear about how he actually spent some time in a North Korean labor camp. | ||
| Sure! | ||
| I'll give you just a North Korea idea. | ||
| I myself was imprisoned in a slave labor camp in North Korea when I was captured during an Interpol assignment. | ||
| And my Ph.D. is in Asian history from Seoul National University, so I like to pretend I know a lot about this country. | ||
| I can assure you that North Korea has been working on weapons of mass destruction programs, biological chemical weapons. | ||
| For 20 years. | ||
| Well, I've got articles eight years old where they were testing nukes. | ||
| This whole thing of, you've got to attack them before they get nukes is a joke. | ||
| Oh, it is. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's a huge joke, and everyone on the inside has known this. | ||
| It may be that it's now just more politically convenient. | ||
| Hey, I've got to hear about this, Dr. Bannon. | ||
| So you got captured in this North Korean camp. | ||
| How did you get out? | ||
| What was that like? | ||
| Because we just read the Wall Street Journal article where they... | ||
| Well, when the people starve to death, they hang out their carcasses and sell the meat. | ||
| That is correct. | ||
| And there are many horrendous torture methods involved. | ||
| I was only there for a little under a week until I was traded back to South Korea in what's known as a spy swap. | ||
| That is, there was a known mole in the South Korean Secret Service. | ||
| He was actually a North Korean double agent. | ||
| Got a spy swap. | ||
| Yeah, they also got cash considerations and a spy to be named later. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Totally, totally. | ||
| Unprotected for the next 2020, yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Yeah, I think that you can get the sense, too, that one of the ways that this guy really is able to get people like Alex to go along with this stuff is he's very soft-spoken, he seems nice, and then also he clearly has some just... | ||
| Like, ingrained or innate improv skills. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, he's able to say yes to just about everything and then move it over to something else. | ||
| Like, Alex is talking about them serving dead human meat, and he's like, yes! | ||
| And also there's a bunch of torture methods. | ||
| And then he shifts away from having to talk about the cannibalism. | ||
| He doesn't need to talk about that cannibalism. | ||
| That's not part of his story. | ||
| But he validates Alex as part of it and then redirects. | ||
| How is it that you know so much, Alex? | ||
| And I'll tell you also about what's going on. | ||
| It's a tactic that I think... | ||
| I think I see Steve do it a little bit. | ||
| Not as much. | ||
| Later, though, because Steve was more than willing to be like, no. | ||
| Now he directed the show. | ||
| He turned that into no butt. | ||
| His improv evolved. | ||
| Del got far away. | ||
| So we learn in this next clip about his fiancee that he had. | ||
| He had this French Secret Service anti-terrorism lady who was his fiancee. | ||
| Transformed into a sentient. | ||
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Nope. | |
| I was involved in a joint operation with Interpol and the counter-terrorist French DST agency where we approached a... | ||
| During that confrontation, my fiancée, Sude Rimbaud, who was an officer with the DST, was killed protecting the lives of others by a North Korean terrorist. | ||
| And that's what ultimately led to my willingly embracing the role that we played of eliminating these individuals. | ||
| And did she die in your arms? | ||
| Yes, she did. | ||
| Get the fuck out! | ||
| Come on! | ||
| Really, just a moment, just one or two minutes before she died. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| Come on! | ||
| It's just amazing. | ||
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It is. | |
| And this is all on the record, folks. | ||
| Just incredible. | ||
| Let's talk to Dan in Illinois. | ||
| Dan, you're on the air. | ||
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Go ahead. | |
| Dan! | ||
| I'm on the air. | ||
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Again? | |
| I have some problems. | ||
| Oh, Dan. | ||
| I have some problems with this story, Alex. | ||
| I got some huge problems. | ||
| I got some huge problems. | ||
| What are you fucking talking about? | ||
| The Interpol and the French anti-terrorism unit were fighting against North Korean terrorists in France? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And then his fiancée got shot. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Died in his arms. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| This is a little much. | ||
| What are North Korean terrors? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't even want to talk about it. | ||
| I don't even need this in my life. | ||
| I don't know what's happening. | ||
| I think any responsible person having this interview would have to be like, what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
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Get the fuck out of here. | |
| Go away, sir. | ||
| That is absolute bullshit. | ||
| Come on! | ||
| That's a scene from a movie. | ||
| Did you, at the moment of her passing, then lower your head and then dramatically raise it upward and scream, no, at God himself as the rain poured down upon your face? | ||
| Is that what happened, sir? | ||
| That was in the next chapter, yes. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| So yeah, but I think that the two of them both seem to have an understanding of what's going on in this interview, and that is like, we're... | ||
| Gonna be able to use each other pretty well. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And so Alex, much like he did with the interview and the whole conversation about Angela Lipsman and her whiz kidness, he wants to use this to attack CPS because he hates the Child Protective Service. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And so Bannon is a willing participant in that. | ||
| Yeah, sure, why not? | ||
| Also, I would add to this that on the wider scale, Dealing with this corruption, that most people in the government are not involved in this, but that statistically, the number one group, when I read the newspaper, Dr. Bennington, say if I'm right or wrong, that it's the child counselor, it's the CPS worker, it's the truancy officer. | ||
| I know they busted a lot of them here in Austin. | ||
| Don't these predators try to get into positions of power over children or the... | ||
| The Boy Scout leader. | ||
| I mean, isn't that who you've got to watch? | ||
| Very much so, and well said, Alex. | ||
| It fits the profile. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well said, Alex. | ||
| Everyone in Child Protective Services is indeed running a front for human trafficking. | ||
| Great work. | ||
| And truancy officers. | ||
| Truancy officers? | ||
| It doesn't get more North Korean terrorists than truancy officers. | ||
| Public school teachers probably in the mix, too. | ||
| Oh, why not? | ||
| Why not? | ||
| They're around kids. | ||
| So you asked an interesting question at the beginning of this, and that was the idea of how he's still alive. | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| And I told you we would get to that, and here's the explanation there. | ||
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Question. | |
| Would he ever produce a list of people in corporations, high government, or high religious areas by name who are in the United States or globally? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like a list of them that were involved that he was privy to that he couldn't go after? | ||
| An excellent question, and one I've been asked repeatedly. | ||
| If I may say this, and I'm entirely selfish in this account, but that is part of the large amount of documentation that I keep secret as an insurance policy for myself and my family. | ||
| Yeah, understand this. | ||
| If he was going to release that, he had better release it to 100 sources before he announced it, because if he was going to release that, they would kill him in a minute. | ||
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Well, I understand that, sir. | |
| And that's what I've said before. | ||
| You're only safe by going public, folks, not by hiding and sneaking around. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So this is how liars like this guy lie. | ||
| Like, he can't produce a list of names because that's his insurance policy to stay alive, as opposed to it not existing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's using the absence of proof as proof itself, which generally speaking is the mark of someone you shouldn't take seriously. | ||
| However, more interestingly, the way Alex engages here is fascinating. | ||
| Bannon is saying that he isn't releasing these names because it's his insurance policy to stay alive, and Alex is saying he's gotta do that, and if he wants to release the info, he needs to release it all in a hundred places in advance, but then Alex remembers that his normal talking point is not that, and he completely contradicts himself. | ||
| Consistently, it's Alex's position that you're in danger only if you sit on information, and the only way to actually be safe is to live wide out in the open. | ||
| What Alex should be doing, if he was serious, is he should insist that Bannon release all the information that he has immediately because to not do so, according to all the things Alex usually says, That's a threat to his life, to not release all of it. | ||
| I suspect Alex doesn't do this because on some level he knows Bannon is making this up and there is no list, so it's best not to press the issue. | ||
| The only way, really, through this interview is playing along, even if you have to contradict long-held positions that you have. | ||
| I mean, I think the simplest thing on this one is to... | ||
| I mean, let's take it at face value. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| Is it true that you are withholding the names of the very... | ||
| That you theoretically are 100% against to protect just you. | ||
| What a hero. | ||
| So you're willing to kill in the triple digits, but if any possible harm comes to you, oh my god, yeah, I gotta protect these... | ||
| Billionaires and millionaires who are financing the ongoing human trafficking that's still happening that I'm not doing anything about. | ||
| So what you're saying now is that you're willing to invalidate everything you've ever done, meaning that every murder you've committed is 100% worthless and on your black fucking soul. | ||
| And then if you... | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Your selfish desire for safety comes at the cost of presumably... | ||
| The lives of countless children and human-trafficked individuals. | ||
| If you guys want to play your masculine I've killed so many people bullshit, if you want to talk about courage, kill zero people and die to get that information out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Far more heroic. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, Alex is going to take a few more calls, but he realizes, like, ah, shit, I was supposed to talk about World War III. | ||
| Tell you what, Dr. Bannon, do five more minutes with us on the other side so we can let Larry finish up and then go to Pam, and that's it for calls, because I've got to cover World War III stuff. | ||
| Just as serious, if that's actually possible, but it is. | ||
| It is. | ||
| We've got to get to World War III stuff. | ||
| So serious. | ||
| World War III has been right on the cusp for a long time, and that is right now, too, in 2022. | ||
| Yeah, but we're on World War IV by now. | ||
| Seven. | ||
| So, Alex really seems to, before this whole thing ends, he wants to know more about these killings. | ||
| Sure, yes, of course. | ||
| Seemed to be a point of fascination for Alex. | ||
| Thanks, Pam. | ||
| Is that normally how you executed them, was with a knife? | ||
| Primarily, yes. | ||
| My expertise was with bladed weapons and close-quarter combat. | ||
| But you say you generally interrogated them before killing them. | ||
| Yes, often we did. | ||
| Did these scumbags usually fight back, or did they just grovel? | ||
| It depended on the individual, and I can say that there are many occasions where, thank God I was with the team, because some of these scumbags were very tough. | ||
| We'd like to think of them all being cowards, but they weren't. | ||
| There were grovelers as well, however. | ||
| My goodness. | ||
| All righty. | ||
| My goodness, indeed. | ||
| So yeah, this interview comes to a close with a whimper, but this whole thing was outrageous. | ||
| That's so fucked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's so fucked. | ||
| I was very surprised because, like I said, this stretch in 2003 that I've been listening to has been really boring and not worth even discussing, really. | ||
| And then I get sucked in by this story of a genius high schooler. | ||
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Of course. | |
| And then it turns into an episode where he's talking to perhaps one of the most brazen sociopaths that has ever appeared on his show. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| I mean, that might be an exaggeration. | ||
| Steve's up there. | ||
| Steve's way up there. | ||
| But the particular lies that this guy is selling are... | ||
| The nature of them are much sicker than a lot of the other people that come into Alex's orbit. | ||
| The personal interaction with these stories, what they're about, it's just gross. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it is that kind of, like, I feel like the Batman... | ||
| Oh, the superhero is the guy who goes out killing human trafficker. | ||
| Boom, boom, boom. | ||
| I've got knives. | ||
| I'm killing people. | ||
| And just like Batman goes and takes care of crime. | ||
| And then you're like, yeah, but you're not doing fuck all, but... | ||
| Masturbating, basically. | ||
| You could be doing shit. | ||
| You could be helping people. | ||
| If Batman spent a fucking dollar on helping human beings instead of building a goddamn bat boat, then maybe we'd be in a different situation. | ||
| And this guy's doing the same thing. | ||
| Or dealt with the actual problem instead of the symptoms of the problem. | ||
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Totally. | |
| And this guy's doing that same thing of like, I'm willing to hold on to these names because that's heroic. | ||
| It's me living. | ||
| I'm a vigilante that is... | ||
| Taking on sort of the pissant lower levels of things while intentionally... | ||
| Protecting the powerful and wealthy. | ||
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Cool. | |
| You have just told the most heroic story of yourself. | ||
| In some ways, when looked at in that light, it's almost good that this is fake. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it's incredibly good that this is fake. | ||
| Otherwise, they're talking to somebody who is literally running interference for all of the most powerful people in the world so they can continue child exploitation. | ||
| A bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we have one last clip here, and it's Alex sort of realizing that he didn't get to most of the news. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Just a bunch of other news here that we didn't get to. | ||
| You've got to visit Infowars.com. | ||
| The troops are going to put on the streets of America unarmed ground vehicles that zap you and microwave you or shoot you, and the police, of course, will be getting them, too, and, of course, they'll need to use them on you. | ||
| It's all part of freedom, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Before I end this show, I do want to talk about how Black Bear mauled a few people the other day, so I say ban Black Bears. | ||
| They want to ban guns. | ||
| An old man out in California drove over and killed six to eight people. | ||
| They're not sure yet. | ||
| Yesterday, I say ban old folks from driving. | ||
| I don't really mean that, but that's the answer to everything in this world now. | ||
| So I think listening back to these old episodes, I understand how the strategy of never getting to the actual stories developed. | ||
| Back then, and in 2003 in particular, around this time, it was super important for Alex to get people who were listening to go to his website, because that was where they had a better chance of getting integrated into the revenue stream. | ||
| The best way to get people to go to the website was to hype up huge bombshell news that never actually gets covered on the show, but is totally proven and documented on the website. | ||
| That's where you've got to go to find it. | ||
| In that understanding, you can kind of see how his show might evolve to essentially be a promotional tool for the website. | ||
| Where Alex's insinuations about the news stories, it should be really seen as a sales tactic to get people to take action to go to the website. | ||
| To go to the website is a call to action. | ||
| Not getting to the news is a call to action. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Understood in that light, it's absolutely not in Alex's best interest to discuss the stories on air, because if he did so, that would give the audience the impression that they've covered the relevant topics, and there's no real need for them to go to the site to see that coverage repeated. | ||
| I have a suspicion that this was an intentional strategy that also conveniently made it so Alex didn't have to do any work, and that's just continued to the present day. | ||
| That's the training that he gave himself. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Also, as it relates to that last part of the clip where Alex is being all snarky about banning bears, bears are banned. | ||
| You can't own a bear. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's a bad example. | ||
| He's actually making a solid argument for banning guns accidentally. | ||
| I mean, we banned bears because of the danger. | ||
| So let's ban guns because of the danger. | ||
| That actually is a bad example. | ||
| Yeah, that's one-to-one. | ||
| If you want guns to just be allowed to live in the woods... | ||
| Then bears should be allowed to live with you! | ||
| Well, no, like, guns, you can have, like, bears, like, they can fish in a stream or whatever. | ||
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Yes! | |
| Oh, everybody can have guns, but they can't interact with human society. | ||
| You can't have them in your home. | ||
| You can have free-range guns. | ||
| Yeah, something like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And in terms of old people driving, that's also a really bad example because we require licensing to drive. | ||
| Like, if Alex wants to compare the relative dangers of old people... | ||
| That's great. | ||
| Let's just then treat them similarly and require licenses and universal background checks for gun ownership. | ||
| His arguments are dumb. | ||
| Even these arguments that he thinks he's making that are like slam dunks are just stupid. | ||
| No, most of the time his best arguments are the ones he makes in a sarcastic sounding voice. | ||
| That are against his own. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| If you attack your actual rebuttal with like, oh yeah, sure, let's ban bears, dumb dumb. | ||
| Is the actual point he wants to make is that everybody should have unlicensed bears? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Unregulated bears? | ||
| If Thomas Jefferson had a bear, then everybody should have a bear. | ||
| Actually, that one does make sense. | ||
| Pretty dumb. | ||
| I'm going to take it. | ||
| So yeah, this episode was fun. | ||
| It was fun. | ||
| But also terrifying and creepy and gross. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
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Don't get me wrong. | |
| It's fun in the knowledge fight context, which is upsetting and... | ||
| Terrifying and creepy and gross. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think there's so much more interesting stuff to dig into here than a lot of the present day stuff. | ||
| So it was really nice to have that little breaky for me. | ||
| Nice to have a little breaky. | ||
| Into the past. | ||
| It's going to kill us all, that little breaky. | ||
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It will. | |
| We're all saying it now. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| So yeah, I think Alex... | ||
| Needs to shape up. | ||
| Is 19 years overdue? | ||
| He's got some time. | ||
| He can figure it out. | ||
| He's still got some time left. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| So we'll be back on Monday, Jordan, with probably a check back in on the present. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
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Yep. | |
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight and at GoToBedJordan. | ||
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Yep. | |
| We'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZXClark. | ||
| I'm Dr. Marbles. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robot. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |