Today, Dan and Jordan tune in to hear Alex go really overboard trying to drum up fear of Russia starting a thermonuclear war, only to have one of his guests ruin all the fun. Plus, Alex finds a fitting representative to speak about the Ottawa protests, and Ted Anderson drops by, but he's not selling gold. Citations
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Dan and Jordan. | ||
| knowledge fight. | ||
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Need money. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding us. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a fifth-time caller. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Ride. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| The King of the Road. | ||
| King of the Road? | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, you know, praise. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| How you doing? | ||
| I'm alright. | ||
| Better than you. | ||
| I have a question for you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| What's your rights for today, buddy? | ||
| Why don't you go first? | ||
| You need it. | ||
| Well, my bright spot is last night I went to CYSK, Comedians You Should Know, of which you are an alumnus. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Emeritus. | ||
| You have been known. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| I hosted it a couple times. | ||
| Our friend Marty DeRosa once famously said that I, quote, redefined what it means to debut at CYSK. | ||
| It was very generous. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Very complimentary. | ||
| Redefined it. | ||
| I think that was just because I ran the light accidentally by like three minutes. | ||
| Ooh, that's not a good idea. | ||
| I didn't see it. | ||
| Ah, that'll happen. | ||
| Yeah, no, I went there. | ||
| It was a great show. | ||
| I got to see Marty DeRosa, the aforementioned. | ||
| He hadn't done stand-up in a long time. | ||
| First time up in forever, and I can't believe how hard he crushed it. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| It was ridiculous how good he is. | ||
| Very funny dude. | ||
| And then Kristen Toomey. | ||
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Very funny as well. | |
| I've known her since I started comedy 12 years ago. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| I love her. | ||
| She was awesome. | ||
| And it's just great to see them. | ||
| Fun. | ||
| Yeah, and my car got towed. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I walked around downtown Chicago until about 1 a.m. when I finally just got on the train and went home. | ||
| Yeah, that's fun, too, when there's no resolution. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It's super awesome when your car gets towed, you stumble around trying to get it out of lockup, and then you give up. | ||
| And then I was like, I'm not going to do this tonight. | ||
| It's not gonna happen. | ||
| That does suck. | ||
| I know that it's not good as an experience to have your car towed anywhere. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I think in Chicago it's a particularly miserable experience. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, it's the worst. | ||
| Yeah, thankfully I've never had a car while I've lived here, so I've never had to suffer this, but I've been around a number of people that fate has befallen them, and yeah, it's bad news. | ||
| Yeah, the first time I lived in Chicago, when I was 19, I had my car towed. | ||
| And again, it was about 1am. | ||
| My cousin had already gone to sleep. | ||
| I had walked about two miles to his place, and he had already gone to sleep, so I had to walk another three and a half miles back. | ||
| Back to my place. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It was not great. | ||
| It was a bad night. | ||
| It was a bad night. | ||
| Sounds pretty bad. | ||
| Don't get your car towed in Chicago. | ||
| Anyways, what's your bright spot, Dan? | ||
| Well, I mean, my actual bright spot is stuff I can't really get into yet. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Sort of side project-y kind of stuff. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Maybe coming down the road, but I feel like that's teasing and kind of not appropriate, so my bright spot is my car didn't get towed. | ||
| I guess your bright spot is rubbing it in. | ||
| Just having a little fun. | ||
| Rub a little dirt on it, crybaby. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we had an interesting episode to go over. | ||
| We're going to be talking about February 8th, 2022. | ||
| Oh, that'll be fun. | ||
| This episode is pretty extreme on Alex's part. | ||
| He's very scared about some stuff, and then it really blows up in his face. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| So there's a fun arc to this, and I'm excited to get into it. | ||
| But first... | ||
| Let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, tallest purple. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, use code KNOWLEDGEFIGHT for 50% off at mypillow.com. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| If Mike Lindell really did want to fuck with us, that would be a good way for him to do it. | ||
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That would be amazing. | |
| Make it seem like there's actually... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's not even... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We don't own two words. | ||
| Next, the Books That Burn podcast, currently reading River of Teeth by Sarah Gailey. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I had to do that now because otherwise it wouldn't be currently. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| So also we got two technocrats in the mix, Jordan. | ||
| So first, Celestine, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| And I never realized how orange Alex is. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| I have risen above my enemies. | ||
| I might quit tomorrow, actually. | ||
| I'm just going to take a little breaky now. | ||
| A little breaky for me. | ||
| And then we're going to come back, and I'm going to start the show over. | ||
| But I'm the devil! | ||
| I've got to be taken off the air! | ||
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Fuck you! | |
| Fuck you! | ||
| I've got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your new world order, and fuck the horse you rode in on, and all your shit! | ||
| Maybe today should be my last broadcast. | ||
| Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. | ||
| Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow, and you never see me again. | ||
| That's really what I wanna do. | ||
| I never wanna come back here again. | ||
| I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. | ||
| I'll be better tomorrow. | ||
| He may be better. | ||
| He may not be. | ||
| I appreciate one thing about that drop more than any other, which is, Dan, you have broken both mine and every other policy wonk's brain because I cannot get away from take a little break. | ||
| Take a little break. | ||
| Everyone is doing it. | ||
| A little break. | ||
| You can't not do it. | ||
| Every time you want to take a break, all of a sudden you're like, I'll take a little break. | ||
| Sure, and anytime you need anything, you yell mama too. | ||
| No, it's too bad. | ||
| It's brutal. | ||
| Your drops have broken the brains of many, many a wonk. | ||
| I'm just doing my part. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| So Alex has an overarching narrative on this show, and it essentially has to do with the situation with Russia and Ukraine. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And this is before Alex's actual show bumper starts. | ||
| He's just muttering over... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So here's how he begins. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, this is a maximum red alert. | ||
| Vladimir Putin has officially threatened a worldwide thermonuclear war. | ||
| If NATO continues their invasion, red alert, maximum alert. | ||
| Tune in now. | ||
| Spread the word. | ||
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InfoWars, the most banned network in the world. | |
| So that's the sting, and then it goes into his bumper, and he starts the show. | ||
| So that's how you know this is serious. | ||
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Ladies and gentlemen, total thermonuclear war begins now! | |
| Info wars? | ||
| So yeah, there were some comments that Putin made after his press conference, or I guess it was in the press conference after his meeting with Emmanuel Macron recently. | ||
| And there was some talk of moving some missiles and what have you. | ||
| This may be interpreted as a direct threat of nuclear war and escalation, but, you know, either way, it's not great, but I think Alex might be a little bit buckwild on this. | ||
| It's important to understand any kind of threat that Russia may be making vis-a-vis discussing their nuclear capabilities in the context of political history, because Putin and his administration do this often. | ||
| a lot. | ||
| No, I've never heard of them doing this before. | ||
| In 2014, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov threatened nuclear action against Ukraine if they tried to take back Crimea. | ||
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In 2007, they warned Poland and the Czech Republic that they could still nuke them, even with Western anti-missile defenses, attempting to dissuade the countries from letting the U.S. put these defense systems in their country to begin with. | |
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This happens a lot, and there's a pretty simple explanation. | |
| It's one of the very few pieces of leverage that Putin and Russia actually have at their disposal to use. | ||
| And because of that, it's become a state policy to use threats of nuclear war in order to de-escalate situations that couldn't be de-escalated otherwise. | ||
| So, Putin came into power in 2000, and shortly after that, that April, he put in place a new military doctrine which replaced many key parts of the previous doctrine that had been put in in 1993. | ||
| One of the main pieces that's relevant to us now is that in the original version, nuclear arms could only be used in cases of a threat to the existence of the Russian Federation. | ||
| The new version expanded this to allow for their use in response to large-scale aggression utilizing conventional weapons in situations critical to the national security of the Russian Federation. | ||
| They opened it up a little bit. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Which is what you want from nuclear weapons policy. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The former head of Poland's National Security Bureau, Stanislav Kozhe, explained how this works in practice in an article from Politico Europe. | ||
| Quote, the numerous events of Russian nuclear blackmailing add up to the Russian strategy of information warfare, which aims to intimidate the West and enable Russia to reconstruct its sphere of influence in ex-Soviet Uniswap. | ||
| It's a PR tactic. | ||
| Right! | ||
| And also, it's a bluff, but not one that you ever want to risk the calling. | ||
| Not a fun bluff. | ||
| Don't fuck with that bluff. | ||
| Yeah, many folks who speak on the matter view this as a propaganda tactic, because ultimately this nuclear deterrence also exists within the nuclear deterrence that many NATO countries also have. | ||
| Nuclear capability. | ||
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Right. | |
| So it goes both ways. | ||
| And Russia knows that if they were to actually use those nukes that they're posturing like they're going to, the response would be swift and devastating for all parties. | ||
| Their ultimate goal of protecting the Russian Federation from NATO influence wouldn't be served by the Russian Federation getting nuked, but the goal can be served by threatening to use nukes and banking on that threat being enough to intimidate and change the behaviors of NATO and the countries in the region that wish to join it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is a really serious situation and things are tense, but it's important to recognize how little Alex engages with any of this shit. | ||
| Putin has said that he's gonna move some missiles. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| And Alex starts his show doing this grotesque movie trailer voice about thermonuclear war. | ||
| When you recognize that the threats that Putin is deploying are part of his information warfare strategy, then you have to realize that all Alex is doing is either wittingly or unwittingly amplifying and playing right into that strategy. | ||
| The more this threat is hyped, the greater the chance of forcing a NATO de-escalation and capitulation to Putin's demands. | ||
| Then again, the world is completely insane in 2022, and many things that would have been seen by conventional wisdom in the past 20 years as being impossible, I don't know if that holds true anymore. | ||
| So I don't want to entirely downplay this situation. | ||
| The point I want to make is just that if Alex were half the geopolitical expert he pretends to be, he wouldn't engage with this piece of news this way. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Saying that Russia is threatening thermonuclear war, and he's going to get really extreme with it. | ||
| I mean, I think it's probably a bad idea. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that's just because I've never seen total nuclear war before. | ||
| So, you know, maybe there are some positives that I haven't considered. | ||
| You know, I haven't lived through one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that Alex really likes to use the specter of that possibility as, like, a way to excite people. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that stinks. | ||
| The end of all human life. | ||
| Come on, baby! | ||
| Let's get it up! | ||
| So Alex has this story about Putin, and he has a source on it, but it actually isn't his source, right? | ||
| So the source isn't a Daily Mail article. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's where it starts. | ||
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Right. | |
| Alex did so much more digging on this thing, man. | ||
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Did he? | |
| We'll see. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Here we are on the edge of thermal nuclear war. | ||
| When I saw this quote this morning in the Daily Mail, I had trouble believing it. | ||
| So I went and searched some of the quotes and found it nowhere else in the Western news. | ||
| So then our crew spent some time and found it in Russian, and we checked it and had it translated, and indeed we found a version that has subtitles, where Vladimir Putin, the president of Russia, has threatened nuclear war. | ||
| And said, within the blinking of an eye, he says, you won't have time to blink your eye. | ||
| If NATO continues its Article 5 takeover, I've got the quotes right here on the video, of Ukraine and this proxy war, we're going to basically stop you. | ||
| Basically, it's in there, apparently. | ||
| So Alex is trying to pretend that he did all this legwork, and the crew dug up and found intel about this Putin speech that isn't in this Daily Mail article he read, but spoiler alert, that's all bullshit. | ||
| Eventually, Alex plays this translation that they supposedly came up with, and it's just literally the video that's embedded in the Daily Mail article. | ||
| It even has the Daily Mail logo on it. | ||
| Sure, yeah. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| I mean, but... | ||
| You know, they got it from Russia. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Alex is just reading the subtitles, too, that are in that video. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| He didn't do any translation. | ||
| What a dick. | ||
| He's pretending that he did a ton of work on this story because he wants to create the impression that he has access to information that the rest of the world and the media doesn't have access to or they're choosing not to talk about. | ||
| So in reality, you can really easily find an English translation of this entire speech that Putin gave on the Kremlin's website. | ||
| And Alex's version is just the Daily Mail version. | ||
| And it doesn't really match the claims even that he's making. | ||
| It still doesn't match up. | ||
| I just like hearing that the Kremlin has a website. | ||
| How stupid is that? | ||
| Isn't that kind of silly? | ||
| Like, in your brain, the Kremlin. | ||
| I think most governments... | ||
| Everybody has a website, but it's kind of silly. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if it's any sillier than the White House website. | ||
| Well, I think they're all silly. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| At least it's not like a blog spot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Kremlin.substack. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| One day. | ||
| One day soon. | ||
| Yeah, you're probably not wrong. | ||
| So the message that Alex wants to send is that Putin was saying that if Ukraine joins NATO, you won't have time to blink your eye because there's going to be nukes shot off. | ||
| That isn't really accurate to the transcript provided by the Kremlin. | ||
| There is a reference to something happening speedily. | ||
| In this case, in the heartbeat instead of a blink. | ||
| But it's not necessarily about nukes. | ||
| It's about how if Ukraine goes into NATO... | ||
| and Russia attacks Crimea, which they interpret as defending Crimea, because Russia views it as their own, then "in a heartbeat, all of the NATO countries would be drawn into a war with Russia because of the rules of Article 5, which state that if one country is attacked in the group, everyone comes to their defense." There are slight differences, but these are the fingerprints of a lack of exploration | ||
| That Alex did on the topic, that he seems to want to, like, he wants to make it look like he's taking this very seriously and did a lot of digging into it, and he's missing, like, the actual contours and context of what is being talked about. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's kind of irresponsible, especially when the topic is impending nuclear war. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, Alex is covering this like he has done intense digging. | ||
| And that he's really gotten to the bottom of this thing in a way that no one else has. | ||
| And he feels like no one else, no other media outlet is covering it the way that Infowars is. | ||
| Oh, that is true. | ||
| Headlines are all about Russia makes a fool of Macron by denying that Putin agreed to deal. | ||
| But that's not what the headline really should state. | ||
| Infowars got the headline right when we took the quote and posted it. | ||
| Vladimir Putin warns a nuclear war could break out if Ukraine joins NATO. | ||
| So this headline that Alex has of, like, humiliating Macron, that's the Daily Mail headline of one of their articles. | ||
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Right. | |
| The other article is Putin threatens nuclear war. | ||
| So they have two articles, one of which is essentially the same headline as the one that he is arguing no one has. | ||
| Right, and I think that he just didn't look for anything, or he's lying about what outlets used as their headlines. | ||
| No, he did so much digging. | ||
| How could he not know? | ||
| So there was this in the Metro. | ||
| Quote, Putin uses dire threat of nuclear war in Europe if he doesn't get his way. | ||
| Well, they got it wrong. | ||
| Or there's the Daily Beast. | ||
| Quote, Putin threatens nuclear war over Ukraine. | ||
| They didn't say Infowar stuff. | ||
| Newsweek had, quote, Ukraine crisis could lead to nuclear war under new strategy. | ||
| Okay, well, that one's exactly right. | ||
| Days before this, the Financial Times ran the headline, quote, U.S. believes Russia plans new... | ||
| nuclear exercise to warn West over Ukraine. | ||
| Fun. | ||
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Which seems to fit in with the larger picture of how this rhetoric has been traditionally used by Putin. | |
| Alex isn't discussing any exclusive news. | ||
| Plenty of other outlets are running with the same lead as him. | ||
| And more importantly, he didn't put a single unit of effort into this reporting, since it's just him riffing on a Daily Mail article while pretending that he and his team scoured the internet for raw footage of the speech and translated it. | ||
| This is just a performance of trying. | ||
| Yeah, that's brazen. | ||
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It is. | |
| That's brazen, because nobody really thinks you did that much research, man. | ||
| Nobody does. | ||
| But it's funny to imagine that this is all true. | ||
| This is the result of all of his digging. | ||
| Well, but let's play a fun game. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So Alex finds this Daily Mail article, and he's like, I don't know, I can't take this seriously. | ||
| Can't trust it. | ||
| So he goes searching. | ||
| Can't find anything else on the internet. | ||
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Right. | |
| So all of his people finally find it in Russian, and they translate it, and they dig even deeper, and they find a video that has subtitles, and it happens to be the same video that's in the Daily Mail article. | ||
| I'm going to go even further down the stupid rabbit hole. | ||
| I'm going to say they went to the Daily Beast article and they were like, there's no way this can be true. | ||
| So they went to dailybeast.ru Dailymail.ru and got it in Russian, had Daria retranslate it back into English. | ||
| See, that's that... | ||
| That thing that makes any kind of Russian translation seem believable because Dario works there. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| We do know that someone there speaks Russian. | ||
| We do know that. | ||
| Can't argue. | ||
| But that plausibility still doesn't make any of this make sense. | ||
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No. | |
| He didn't do any of this work. | ||
| No, but anytime we talk about anything in Russian, he's going to have to be like, we had somebody, oh, I had a crack team translating it. | ||
| So we get to this Daily Mail video. | ||
| Alex plays it and then reads the subtitles over it. | ||
| And there are some very slight differences between this and the Kremlin transcript that I want to discuss, because I think it does actually change some of the meaning. | ||
| So let's go ahead and roll that video of Putin. | ||
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Take the cube down for me so I can read it, please. | |
| I've been saying it, but I'd very much want you to finally hear me and deliver it to your audience in print, TV and online. | ||
| So this part in the Daily Mail video matches the Kremlin transcript pretty closely. | ||
| Where theirs is, quote, I want to reiterate, I've said this before, and I would really like you to hear me this time and convey this message to your readers, viewers, and internet users. | ||
| There's a prior context that's missing, however, because this is just where the Daily Mail video begins, and Alex has no idea of what happened right before this. | ||
| The question that Putin is answering is, quote, is Mr. Macron your only dialogue partner in Europe? | ||
| You said he was a good conversationalist. | ||
| Do you consider him as an intermediary to convey your message to Europeans? | ||
| Sure, a very good question. | ||
| So this is something that will matter later as it relates to the larger point of Putin, what he's saying, which we'll get to here in a moment. | ||
| That gives some idea of why he's saying what he's saying. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because this is a response to that question. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So here's where we get a little bit more context. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Immediately after this. | ||
| This is all straight through. | ||
| I didn't cut anything out. | ||
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Do you understand it or not? | |
| That if Ukraine joins NATO and attempts to bring Crimea back by military means, the European countries will be automatically pulled into a war in conflict with Russia. | ||
| So this is really the point of Putin's answer. | ||
| If Ukraine joins NATO, Russia is not going to respect Ukraine's claim to Crimea, which will lead to conflict. | ||
| And because Ukraine will be then a member of NATO, all the other NATO countries will have to defend them, which puts them immediately into conflict with Russia. | ||
| This is important to understand in the context of the question because it has to do with the message that he's hoping to send to these leaders of European countries that would be affected by this and sucked into them. | ||
| war conflict. | ||
| It's essentially an attempt to blackmail the European countries to not support Ukraine joining NATO because if they do, the question of Crimea will become their problem, and Putin is signaling in advance that he's not going to budge on it. | ||
| Hey, listen, listen. | ||
| I'm not saying that anybody's going to do any harm to you if you join NATO. | ||
| I'm just saying that other things that are already in place could be a problem for you. | ||
| I'm just saying don't join NATO or do! | ||
| I don't even... | ||
| You fucking can't, man! | ||
| You do you! | ||
| And all I'm saying is we'll see what fucking happens. | ||
| It's less even a message to Ukraine to not join NATO. | ||
| It's like, don't support their joining NATO because then this is going to be on you. | ||
| Literally don't let them join NATO. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Because if you do, they're going to get into a fight with us and now you're in a fight with us. | ||
| Do you want that France? | ||
| Or NATO is useless. | ||
| If you let them join NATO and then you're like, well, we are going to let Russia take... | ||
| Then there's no point in NATO, period. | ||
| Well, spoiler alert, there have been a number of times that this, everybody coming to the aid of the party has not necessarily happened. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| So the clip goes on. | ||
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Of course, NATO and Russia. | |
| Potentials are incomparable. | ||
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We understand it. | |
| But we also understand that Russia is one of the leading nuclear states. | ||
| And by some modern components it even outperforms many. | ||
| So this is a subtle hint towards the threatening of using nukes, but it's not really a direct threat. | ||
| This is Putin expressing that he's well aware that NATO's combined military strength outweighs his, but he has a nuclear deterrent, so pure military strength isn't the only determining factor here. | ||
| This doesn't read to me to be a strong threat to use a nuke, because you have to remember the context. | ||
| This is about Crimea and the dominoes that will fall if Ukraine joins NATO and Russia doesn't give up their claim to the area. | ||
| This will lead to war, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to lead to a nuclear war, because that would kind of be counterproductive towards settling what's essentially a regional territorial dispute. | ||
| I'm not saying that it couldn't spiral out of control, but what would they do? | ||
| Nuke Crimea? | ||
| That's not in their interests. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Look, Crimea is part of the Russian Federation, and that's why we have to nuke all of Europe. | ||
| Does that not make sense to everybody? | ||
| It makes perfect sense. | ||
| I understand how the fear and the anxieties around regional conflicts getting out of control to the point where they absorb the entire world. | ||
| Right, we've seen that before. | ||
| I respect that. | ||
| Anxiety, I understand it. | ||
| It was a problem last time. | ||
| Well, not the last time. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It has happened a number of times. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But, like, the same rhetoric was flying around in the advance of the 2008 war with Georgia and the 2014 hostilities in Crimea. | ||
| And even though there was active war happening, there weren't nukes used because that weaponry didn't match the goal of these conflicts. | ||
| These comments that he's making kind of read the same way. | ||
| It's not so much, or at least to me they do, it's not so much that he's saying he's going to nuke anyone over the conflict, but that the rest of the world shouldn't get involved because you wouldn't want to be at war with a nuclear power. | ||
| No matter what. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No one does. | ||
| That's why nobody's just like, hey, North Korea, let's fight and then we'll get this shit out of the way. | ||
| Nobody's doing that. | ||
| So yeah, this is kind of how this nuclear comment reads to me. | ||
| But Alex is reading it in an entirely different way. | ||
| And I think a fair amount of it, too, is just getting out of hand, man. | ||
| Alex is taking this in directions that it does not need to go. | ||
| There will be no winners. | ||
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| Back it up 10 seconds. | ||
| So we just threatened to use their hypersonic cruise missiles and ballistic missiles. | ||
| Both? | ||
| And, of course, the United States has even stuff more advanced than secret. | ||
| But the point is, is that it doesn't matter. | ||
| It's nuclear weapons. | ||
| And they've got... | ||
| Russian suicide soldiers with suitcases. | ||
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Wait, what? | |
| It doesn't matter if space-based systems shoot down the Russian ballistic missiles or submarine-launched missiles. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| The nukes are all over the place. | ||
| So now we reach them. | ||
| Make no mistake. | ||
| So now we reach the point where Alex just starts freestyling his own doomsday narratives. | ||
| Apparently somewhere in this transcript that he's translated, there's information that Putin has embedded suicide agents with suitcase nukes all over Europe. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| That's definitely not a James Bond plot. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know about you, but leaving aside the important point that I don't believe any of that, how can Alex possibly ever think that someone who would have sleeper suicide suitcase nuke agents all over foreign countries could be anything less than a fucking supervillain? | ||
| How can Alex honestly think that Putin is some kind of force for good bringing back the West if he's also creating elaborate, high-tech situations like this that would essentially allow him to hold the entire world hostage? | ||
| Again, like you said, like a fucking Bond villain. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| You can't possibly think... | ||
| So dumb. | ||
| Also, none of these countries have any idea that... | ||
| Putin, of all people, is just having people carrying around suitcase nukes wherever they go. | ||
| Or all the countries are like, well, there's nothing we can really do. | ||
| If you want to carry a suitcase nuke in fucking Nebraska, go to town, man. | ||
| How can you tell the difference between a suitcase and a suitcase nuke? | ||
| Chained to your wrists. | ||
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Impossible. | |
| Impossible to tell. | ||
| I've always wanted to have a suitcase chained to my wrist. | ||
| It's an achievable goal. | ||
| It's very easy to do. | ||
| You can do it. | ||
| You just need a suitcase and some handcuffs. | ||
| No, that's an old Mitch Hedberg joke. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| So, look. | ||
| This is silly. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't really think that this is... | ||
| I think this is a... | ||
| Real serious escalation and sensationalization of the topic that Alex is covering. | ||
| And I think it's a little bit disrespectful to the actual seriousness and tension of the situation that's going on in Ukraine right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it goes on. | ||
| So here's where the Putin clip continues. | ||
| And you will be pulled into this conflict against your will. | ||
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And you will be pulled into this conflict. | |
| We won't even have time to blink your eye when you execute Article 5 collective defense of NATO members. | ||
| So here's where there's a slight difference in the translation, and I think in this context, the Daily Mail one seems less accurate, and it's on Alex's reading. | ||
| So in the Daily Mail one, Putin says, quote, you won't even have time to blink your eye when you execute Article 5, whereas the transcript from the Kremlin says, quote, you will be fulfilling Article 5 in a heartbeat even before you know it. | ||
| more sense that Putin would be saying that if Ukraine joins NATO these European countries would have to invoke Article 5 and come to Ukraine's aid involving Crimea in a heartbeat. | ||
| Right. | ||
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That conflict exists and it isn't going away so if Ukraine is involved in a collective alliance of mutual protection the second they governments will have to enact Article 5. Right. | |
| Conversely, the Daily Mail translation makes it sound like there's something else that will happen after Article 5 is invoked. | ||
| Article 5, nukes are on their way to your house. | ||
| That's kind of what the Daily Mail... | ||
| That's kind of how it sounds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You won't have time to blink your eye when you execute Article 5. And that heavily implies... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's the way Alex is reading this. | ||
| It's that sort of... | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Day after tomorrow thing? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Like, in a flash of a second, suitcase nukes. | ||
| You guys sign the papers, everybody's taking the picture, and nukes are on their way to your... | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| And that doesn't... | ||
| Quite match how the transcript itself reads a larger picture. | ||
| Yeah, the transcript itself kind of more is real politic idea of like, listen, this is how it is. | ||
| Now, are we the aggressors? | ||
| No one can say, really, what is aggression? | ||
| And also, I want to be clear. | ||
| I'm not saying that Putin's right or anything like that. | ||
| I'm just saying that Alex is not dealing with this accurately. | ||
| Yes, yeah. | ||
| That'd be weird if we all of a sudden were Putin apologists. | ||
| That would be strange. | ||
| That would be an odd one. | ||
| That would be an odd turn. | ||
| So here's another clip here as it goes along. | ||
| Mr. President Macron, of course, doesn't want this. | ||
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I don't want this. | |
| And I don't want it. | ||
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...Rim's agreement. | |
| But the President, of course, doesn't want this. | ||
| I don't want this. | ||
| And I don't want it, which is why he is here, touring with me for six straight hours. | ||
| Alex misread the subtitle there. | ||
| He didn't say that Macron had been, quote, been tormenting me for six hours now with his questions, guarantees, and solutions. | ||
| The Daily Mail translation actually had torturing instead of tormenting. | ||
| This is where Alex's understanding of Putin's comments begins and ends, because all he has to go on is that Daily Mail video, and that's where the video cuts off. | ||
| Immediately after this clip ends, Putin said of Macron's diplomatic visit, Quote, I believe his is a lofty mission, and I am grateful to him for his efforts. | ||
| For our part, we will do our best to find compromises that suit everyone. | ||
| There's not a single point that we consider unachievable in the proposals we sent to NATO and Washington. | ||
| So this seems like somebody who has, you know, at least... | ||
| Rhetorically, an interest in keeping negotiations open. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Not somebody who's about to fire off nukes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, ultimately, listen, here's how we want to get Ukraine. | ||
| By threats. | ||
| Because it costs a lot of money to actually fight a war. | ||
| So if maybe I threaten you with nukes, you guys will be just like, you can have Ukraine. | ||
| Yeah, and you know what's really expensive? | ||
| Getting nuked. | ||
| It's so expensive! | ||
| I mean, imagine you're in Moscow, right? | ||
| And you're just going along your day, and then you're getting nuked? | ||
| That's like at least $50 to $60 to rebuild. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
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Right? | |
| So if you drop the context here, you can dance around and insist that Putin's threatening nuclear war, and that's what Alex is doing. | ||
| But if you read the full transcript, that doesn't feel accurate. | ||
| That feels like a bit of maybe some clickbait nonsense. | ||
| Alex just trying to make everyone afraid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is a smart idea if you're helping Putin. | ||
| It's also a smart idea if you want to drive traffic, I think. | ||
| Yeah, that's definitely true. | ||
| And keep people in a state of impotent fear like Alex does with his audience. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because what are you going to do? | ||
| Well, I mean, have you practiced ducking and covering lately? | ||
| You have a desk. | ||
| That's why I bought the new desk. | ||
| The problem is there are bars on my side, so I don't have any duck and cover ability. | ||
| Yeah, I'm dead in here. | ||
| You've got to flip over the chair. | ||
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Get under the chair. | |
| That wasn't in the video. | ||
| No, but you've got to freestyle sometimes. | ||
| Okay, that's fair. | ||
| So Alex has done doing his little breakdown of the Daily Mail video that he's pretending is some product of deep research. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he comes back from break. | ||
| This is misreporting. | ||
| Vladimir Putin officially threatens to use nuclear weapons against Europe if NATO continues takeover of Ukraine. | ||
| In official press conference, Putin threw down the gauntlet, warning the West if NATO invokes Article 5 and absorbs Ukraine to NATO. | ||
| Within a blink of an eye, he said the West will see a massive military response. | ||
| Then, he says NATO has the force to crush Russia with conventional weapons, and he will use nuclear weapons, and that he will strike Western Europe. | ||
| Now, let me break down the timetable on this, if this starts. | ||
| So this isn't accurate based on the actual press conference that Putin gave, nor is it even accurate to the Daily Mail video that Alex is using as his source. | ||
| And there's two really critical things that I need to talk about. | ||
| The first is that Alex doesn't seem to even understand conceptually what he's talking about. | ||
| The way he's talking about Article 5 shows that he thinks that it's something that NATO can invoke to absorb Ukraine into the group, but that is not correct at all. | ||
| Article 5 states, quote, The parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all. | ||
| and consequently they agree that if such an armed attack occurs each of them in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defense recognized by article 51 of the charter of the united nations will assist the party or parties so attacked by taking forthwith individually and in concert with other parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area. | ||
| It's the rule that an attack on one member state is an attack on all member states, not a mechanism by which NATO can absorb countries into itself like it's the blob. | ||
| This was a part of NATO's core cause, and it's been in place since 1949, but it was never invoked until 9-11, which should tell you this is not a universal thing that happens all the time. | ||
| Not a ton of people are stoked about getting into wars. | ||
| Not usually. | ||
| The fact that Alex doesn't seem to grasp this conceptually, like what Article 5 is, really makes it difficult to trust that he has any understanding of the conversation that Putin was having, or the story that he's covering. | ||
| And that leads me to my second point. | ||
| This is a serious story, one that involves the safety and security of a ton of people in Ukraine and Russia in particular, but it could have ramifications for people outside the region as well. | ||
| According to Alex himself, this is a story that has potential consequences in the neighborhood of a worldwide thermonuclear war, and he can't be bothered to know the basics of what he's talking about. | ||
| This dynamic is something that's at the center of a lot of Alex's content. | ||
| Intense and terrifying sensationalization of a headline he skimmed and decided not to look into. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| They think their information, that everyone's about to die, is more accurate than the information, maybe everyone's about to die. | ||
| It's like not... | ||
| It's not not having food. | ||
| It's having food that will make you sick. | ||
| It's having spoiled food. | ||
| And when it's around this kind of subject that is conceivably very serious, I am not convinced that this is going to lead to nuclear war, but Alex seems to be. | ||
| That's the way he's presenting the story, and he can't even get himself to care past his normal routine of finding a headline, lying about what he's done to prepare the story, and then riffing about his own paranoid and terrifying fantasies. | ||
| Yeah, and the more you think about it... | ||
| I think Alex would love thermonuclear war. | ||
| That would be a great button on his career. | ||
| Well, he's still working on that bunker. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I mean, you know, that would get him out of a lot of shit if all of a sudden nukes were dropping everywhere. | ||
| He'd be like, ooh, I mean, obviously my skin's going to melt off, but I'm out of these lawsuits. | ||
| It would probably put a delay on those hearings. | ||
| Yeah, a little bit. | ||
| So Alex takes this misreporting that he's doing of this comment, and he just turns it into just a fucking terrifying story. | ||
| Now let me break down the timetable on this, if this starts. | ||
| When the Russians get overwhelmed by the NATO forces arrayed against them and all the heavy weapons and high-tech weapons, Putin is saying that they're going to use tactical nuclear weapons in theater. | ||
| Against those forces. | ||
| That'll happen within about 10 minutes. | ||
| At that point, the orders will go out, and cruise missiles all over Europe, hypersonic, will be fired at Russian military bases. | ||
| Once the Russians make the decision to use tacticals, they'll have all their submarines surfacing, their cruise missiles ready, their ICBMs ready, and the minute they detect with their radar and satellites, He goes on to, | ||
| like, really lay out this, like, I won't even have time to go find my daughter. | ||
| It's really highly dramatic and really just aiming to scare. | ||
| You know, okay. | ||
| Suitcase nukes, you can conceivably say that it's easier to get a single person with a nuclear device and a suitcase around than having a fucking nuclear submarine off the coast of New York City. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I honestly don't know. | ||
| Where is this? | ||
| What world is there a nuclear submarine near New York City's coast that they allowed Russia to get? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| 10,000 feet below the sea? | ||
| What world are there people walking around with suitcases? | ||
| I understand. | ||
| I just feel like a submarine's a little bit more noticeable. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| There could be, like, elaborate masking technology that the aliens... | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| I had not considered the aliens. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| It's a little far-fetched. | ||
| But I'm not sure it's more far-fetched than suitcase suicide bombers. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| I don't know which. | ||
| I don't know which. | ||
| That'll be a tough contest. | ||
| But, like, Alex is just, like, really trying to drive home this fear. | ||
| And he's a sick fuck, let's say. | ||
| Most of us will just get knocked down and maybe the roof cave in on you, but when you come outside, you'll be breathing all that delicious radiation. | ||
| You mean when you get up again? | ||
| And of course the power won't be coming back on for years, if you're lucky. | ||
| So, that's where we are. | ||
| And we're an evil, decadent, satanic society, and I guess it's time to die. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I mean, really? | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Maybe it's time to die, Dan. | ||
| Didn't expect that turn. | ||
| No, you know what I was thinking? | ||
| I was just thinking, yeah, I think everybody, it's time to die. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's time. | ||
| Hey, maybe we should all get nuked. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Go find a spike. | ||
| Just fucking do it, man. | ||
| This guy believes in humanity. | ||
| What is he doing? | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Maybe it's time for all of us to die. | ||
| You know what? | ||
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Maybe it is. | |
| He's in a weird mood. | ||
| Yeah, I don't really know how to read this other than like... | ||
| I guess he's depressed. | ||
| I mean, you know, you'd have to be a little depressed to be very blasé about, you know, the extinction of the human race. | ||
| There's some financial news that will be discussed later that might play into this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, that might have something to do with his... | ||
| Price of oil is going down? | ||
| No, let's say a character from the past makes an appearance. | ||
| Hat in hand. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| So, we'll get to that later. | ||
| Spoiler alert. | ||
| I'm excited for that. | ||
| But as Alex is discussing this, like, maybe we all deserve to die from nukes, he starts rambling around, and man, he drops a bomb of his own that's a little bit unbelievable. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The CIA, through Georgetown University, literally has sicked an army. | ||
| Of over 10,000 Muslims that they brought in over the last few decades, run through the school and given degrees, and have intelligence badges enter after us. | ||
| Brigades of Muslims! | ||
| I'm sorry, what? | ||
| I mean, they've got their secret armies. | ||
| They're ready, okay? | ||
| And they are targeting and preparing. | ||
| They've got... | ||
| They've got a list of judges. | ||
| They've got a list of good police captains. | ||
| They've got all our numbers, folks. | ||
| We're in a lot more trouble than you know, okay? | ||
| A lot more trouble than you know. | ||
| So I guess it's a we're all gonna die episode. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not a... | ||
| It seems like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this mood has flipped. | ||
| That's pretty clear. | ||
| This is really dumb, but we've done this narrative already. | ||
| It was a year and a half ago, but instead of a brigade of Muslims, it was Antifa and MS-13 that had lists of all the patriots, and we're going to go door-to-door taking them out. | ||
| That didn't happen, and now I guess enough time has passed that Alex can be sure that his audience has forgotten that he said that shit, so he's trying it again, both a brigade of 10,000 Muslims. | ||
| Right, we don't need to worry about the migrant caravan anymore coming into the border. | ||
| Becoming brigades. | ||
| Or even when Alex was saying that was a way to get Ebola. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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| It's all there. | ||
| You know that old adage, the best way to keep a secret between more than two people is to kill the other two or whatever. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| That whole thing? | ||
| I've heard that. | ||
| I'm going to go with having entire brigades being forced to keep their own participation secret. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That might be tough to do, man. | ||
| Foolish to give them badges, too. | ||
| It would be a bad idea to have them easily identifiable as such brigades. | ||
| Why would you need 10,000 of them to take out Alex, too? | ||
| I mean, if you've got a secret army, part of the reason that you have it, or part of the best part of having a secret army is you can keep it small, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because it's secret. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you would want a specialized unit, maybe. | ||
| A dirty dozen. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, people who show up, solve a problem, and then are gone, like ghosts. | ||
| And you need a tech guy. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| A munitions person. | ||
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| A face man. | ||
| I was about to say face man. | ||
| Yeah, you need... | ||
| 10,000 Muslims are out to get Alex. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| That's very weird. | ||
| I love it when a religion comes together. | ||
| So Alex, he gets on to another subject. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's about the Capitol Police. | ||
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Sure. | |
| They're out of control. | ||
| Are they brigades? | ||
| Look at this Politico article. | ||
| Capitol Police examine background social media feeds of some who meet with lawmakers. | ||
| You read the article, it says, yeah, they also get in plain clothes and spy on people. | ||
| But now the documents are coming out, being released by Congress, and the investigation of the Inspector General, inspecting themselves, of the Capitol Police. | ||
| And when you read what's in this, it's unbelievable. | ||
| They went into members of Congress' offices at night, like the plumbers, like Nixon did, having G. Gordon Liddy and others break into the psychiatrist. | ||
| of the Democrat candidate to find out about him for dirt. | ||
| Not right, not good. | ||
| Nixon had to leave office. | ||
| This is a tough narrative for Alex to be dipping into, because in that clip there, within one minute, he's essentially gotten into trouble with two of his friends. | ||
| Roger worked for Nixon and swears that Watergate didn't go down like that, so he and Alex might have to have some words based on Alex's reporting. | ||
| Then, Alex is describing what these folks in the Capitol Police allegedly did, going into offices dressed up like maintenance people to spy, and that's exactly what James O 'Keefe got arrested for doing to Louisiana Senator Mary Landrieu. | ||
| It's really wild how many friends Alex has who do the precise evil shit he's so mad at his enemies for supposedly doing. | ||
| Well, the only way to know that your enemies are doing evil shit is to be the people who do that evil shit. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| It makes sense to me. | ||
| So as for this Politico article, it's a disturbing revelation that the Capitol Police have been doing some digging into the social media and other public information that's available for people who meet with members of Congress. | ||
| and I'm not into it, but Alex is lying about what this article covers. | ||
| There's nothing in the article about spying in plain clothes. | ||
| That's just Alex adding to the recipe for, uh, had more. | ||
| Also, it's Alex referring to allegations made by Representative Troy Neils, who claimed that the Capitol Police were caught snooping in his office. | ||
| The Capitol Police released a statement saying that no one was snooping, but someone did enter his office to secure it because he left his office door open when nobody was in it. | ||
| When that happens, it's protocol for the Capitol Police to secure the office and close the door for him because it's not safe. | ||
| The Capitol Police has come out with a statement, this dude's a big dum-dum, close your fucking door, and then maybe we won't have to show up. | ||
| Also, Alex can't possibly have read the Inspector General's report that he's claiming to have on the Capitol Police looking at folks' social media investigation, because that just began this week, and there's no info that's come out about it yet. | ||
| He may be confusing with the IG report about the Capitol Police regarding January 6th, but I'm also sure he didn't read that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think I'm only interested in that clip because it's funny that this guy just didn't close his door. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| And that's turned into a conspiracy theory. | ||
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| And then the second thing is how much Alex's friends are implicated in the same actions as the evil globalists. | ||
| Well, I mean, but it is somewhat of that, like, I know they must be doing it because we are. | ||
| It is kind of that vibe of like, well, obviously I know what the evil people are doing. | ||
| My buddies are doing the same thing. | ||
| But that would be fine if there wasn't also the denial of what his buddies are doing. | ||
| Well, my buddies aren't doing the evil shit that I say the other guys are doing. | ||
| I'm not going to say that my buddies are doing this evil shit. | ||
| That's fake news, man. | ||
| Absolutely! | ||
| What are you, lying? | ||
| Aha, now that I'm telling you that I think they didn't do it, you won't get mad at me. | ||
| It's convoluted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex gets back into the caravan a little bit. | ||
| The truckers up in Ottawa. | ||
| Everybody's having a great time. | ||
| Odd people aren't having a good time. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| People, like the population of Ottawa is not having a great time. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's like the Brooks Brothers riot with trucks. | ||
| It's awful. | ||
| And longer. | ||
| And longer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So my heart goes out to the folks having to put up with this shit. | ||
| But Alex has a guy on to talk about how great... | ||
| The caravan is and how awesome. | ||
| They're getting freedom. | ||
| Everybody loves it. | ||
| So joining us is Jeremy McKenzie. | ||
| He's a former Special Forces officer. | ||
| Been on the show many years ago on other topics. | ||
| And he is joining us here on air. | ||
| He's also a popular podcaster. | ||
| He's joining us to talk about the latest incredible developments. | ||
| I don't really want to get more in-depth than we already have on the trucker caravan and what have you. | ||
| I don't know if my position has changed on it since the last time we talked about it. | ||
| But it's interesting that Alex has got this guy on to talk about the news from the front lines. | ||
| Alex called in this guy named Jeremy McKenzie, and wouldn't you know it, he's not a trucker. | ||
| He's actually a piece of shit. | ||
| I'm not totally sure that McKenzie has a podcast, but he definitely has a live stream. | ||
| And I was able to find some interesting comments that he made on stream thanks to their being collected by Anti-Racist Canada. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Here's one of them that is not good. | ||
| I like Nazis. | ||
| You watch that movie. | ||
| Schindler's List actually is based on a fictional book. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| That didn't even happen. | ||
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| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oscar Schindler was in person, but the movie was based on a fictional book. | ||
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But they present it as though this is what happened. | |
| Yeah! | ||
| Like Zero Dark Thirty after they killed Bin Laden, right? | ||
| And they make it very realistic and very... | ||
| So what happens is you're learning about something new for the first time, and now you're seeing this visual fucking... | ||
| It's going straight in there, and now this becomes memory. | ||
| Like, this is what happened. | ||
| It's like you're watching something. | ||
| You're watching a production. | ||
| These are actors in costumes, and none of this is real. | ||
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But now you believe that that's history when that's not what took place. | |
| Like, you know how angry that is? | ||
| It's fucking crazy. | ||
| Like, here's a great example. | ||
| There's a guy, and they'll call him a revisionist, and all of the worst things you can do. | ||
| The guy's a historian. | ||
| His name is David Irving, and he's from the UK. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| And all he did was like, I just want to know. | ||
| All he did was deny the Holocaust. | ||
| So he went over to Germany, and he went around, and he interviewed all kinds of people that knew these guys personally. | ||
| Like Hitler's secretary. | ||
| He, like, tracked her down, and he did all this stuff. | ||
| And he wrote a whole book. | ||
| It was called Hitler's War or something like that. | ||
| And it was just... | ||
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You know, stuff from people you'd never ever hear about otherwise. | |
| And they're like, how dare you? | ||
| He's like, yeah, but they knew him. | ||
| They knew him. | ||
| So Schindler's List is based on the non-fiction novel Schindler's Ark. | ||
| The events of the story are true. | ||
| It's just that some of the dialogue's been dramatized. | ||
| It seems really weird, the way this guy's calling it a story of fiction. | ||
| And it also seems to have trouble understanding that people know that there are actors in movies, and they don't experience movies as reality. | ||
| I mean, it is so much like you can hear it when they talk, where you're like, oh, of course you think other people think movies are real. | ||
| You think movies are real. | ||
| Seems that way. | ||
| I don't think movies are real, sir. | ||
| Yeah, but I think maybe even a bigger issue is that that is not what David Irving did. | ||
| No. | ||
| This guy is very wrong. | ||
| David Irving is a full-on Holocaust denier, probably one of the most famous in the world. | ||
| He tried to sue a journalist who called him a Holocaust denier for defamation, and he lost. | ||
| He very publicly argued that there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz, which landed him in jail in Austria. | ||
| He's been banned from entering multiple countries because of his anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial. | ||
| He's associated with the neo-Nazi group the National Alliance, and in the years since, like, 1990... | ||
| His entire public persona has been pro-Hitler, anti-Jews, and denying of the Holocaust. | ||
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Right. | |
| It seems like this McKenzie guy is either a neo-Nazi... | ||
| Historian, Dan. | ||
| He's either a neo-Nazi, or I guess if you want to be as generous as possible, he's an idiot who seems to be drawn like a moth to the flame towards any false piece of information that makes Nazis look good. | ||
| Man, I mean... | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Honestly, he is not a neo-Nazi. | ||
| He's just a regular Nazi. | ||
| That's just out of time. | ||
| It's like he time-traveled from 1939. | ||
| There's an issue of semantics I guess we could get into, but I'm flabbergasted. | ||
| So there's plenty more interviews of him palling around with white nationalist folks like the hosts of Red Ice TV. | ||
| He's doing interviews about how the protocols of the elders of Zion are actually real with the anti-Semitic dude who was also on InfoWars, G. Michael Jones. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All kinds of unsavory shit. | ||
| There's a ton of people that Alex could have chosen to come speak out about the truckers in Ottawa and give an update, and magically, somehow, this is the guy he finds. | ||
| Well, you gotta find the most Nazi one. | ||
| It's almost like they travel in similar ideological circles as they do. | ||
| If you know a lot of Nazis, and a lot of Nazis know you, and they like you, and you like them, I'm gonna throw this out there. | ||
| Maybe you are also a Nazi. | ||
| Eh, there could be. | ||
| Also, there's a part in the interview where he's like, they said there were Nazi flags. | ||
| I don't understand how that's not also a problem. | ||
| It is. | ||
| So we're not going to listen to too much about this interview because I don't really care and I don't think he brings a lot to the table or any interesting information. | ||
| But there's this really funny thing that keeps happening. | ||
| And then Alex keeps saying this guy's special forces. | ||
| And he has to keep correcting him because he doesn't want to engage in stolen valor. | ||
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Right. | |
| Right? | ||
| Because he wasn't in special forces. | ||
| He did a very short period of time where he was in a special forces unit or something along those lines. | ||
| But Alex will not stop getting it wrong. | ||
| And so he's had to correct him. | ||
| And now I believe this is the second time. | ||
| And Alex fucking loses it. | ||
| Mic down for this. | ||
| Yeah, so that was one of the aspects. | ||
| Again, I was briefly with a Special Forces unit. | ||
| Guys get sensitive about that kind of thing. | ||
| I can't stand you military guys. | ||
| Listen, I can't handle it. | ||
| You know one reason I don't want to get military people on? | ||
| Stop, stop, stop. | ||
| You're hitting my pet peeve right now. | ||
| Fine, you were never in the military, okay? | ||
| Screw the military. | ||
| I hate it, okay? | ||
| Please, God help me. | ||
| God help me. | ||
| God help me. | ||
| I'm just telling people who you are. | ||
| Because I was going to get into Afghanistan and talk about seeing freedoms being taken. | ||
| And then you tell me, don't say I'm this. | ||
| And then you say, don't say that. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Let's just say you're in Canada, all right? | ||
| Please help me. | ||
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Please help me. | |
| God, help me. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| I don't want to stress you out, brother. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's this thing you guys do. | ||
| Because all the military people hinpeck each other about who was what and who did what. | ||
| Screw it all. | ||
| We're about to have nuclear war. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| How about all the military people stop that? | ||
| Go ahead, man. | ||
| And there is a lot of good... | ||
| I mean, dude's laughing, but Alex is not joking. | ||
| No, no, this is deadly serious. | ||
| This is deadly serious. | ||
| What is it with you guys and you don't like me lying about what it is you did in the military? | ||
| Well, I think it's probably because a lot of people that Alex knows get accused of lying about... | ||
| Their military history, because they are. | ||
| I think that that's probably why he's hypersensitive about this point. | ||
| And I think that, to his credit, I don't like him for any other reason, but this McKenzie guy seems like that's the right thing to do. | ||
| Someone's mischaracterizing your military service. | ||
| You probably don't want to be seen playing along with that, lest... | ||
| Everybody else think that you're also inflating and lying about your service. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Which is why Alex hates military guys, because the real ones actually do that. | ||
| He likes non-military guys who claim they're in the military, because when you say they're in Special Forces, they're like, fuck yeah, I was. | ||
| See Steve Pechenek. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I was all over the Special Forces. | ||
| Right, come on, man. | ||
| Improvise with me. | ||
| Don't correct me. | ||
| Don't downplay this. | ||
| I need to present you as the greatest possible... | ||
| I took down an entire brigade of Muslims. | ||
| 10,000. | ||
| They were in Austin. | ||
| I was busy. | ||
| So yeah, that was just a little bit of fun from this interview. | ||
| That is great. | ||
| After this, Alex has a familiar face. | ||
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Uh-oh. | |
| Oh, it's time. | ||
| Coming around. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| It's none other than the former gold salesman. | ||
| Ted Anderson. | ||
| Ted Anderson. | ||
| I want him to just spend some time on who he is, what he's done. | ||
| He was a sponsor of mine in 1997. | ||
| A year later, he started the GCN Radio Network because he was already financing a bunch of shows. | ||
| He already had a production thing producing his own shows. | ||
| We're very popular on AM, FM, and Shortwave. | ||
| And satellite, he said, why don't I just start a network? | ||
| When I got censored and kicked off my local radio station, he'd already set up his network a few years before and was getting it ready, and I was already doing another show on it every day. | ||
| And then about nine years ago, ten years ago, when the gold market was way down and Ted couldn't pay me anymore, I parted ways with Ted, but instead you can still carry my show and syndicate it to stations. | ||
| I'll syndicate myself. | ||
| Two-thirds of my stations are with us, and about 90-something are with him. | ||
| We're still friends, but he couldn't pay me anymore, so I had to go out and try to syndicate my show more and try to get money in. | ||
| So Ted didn't stop being able to pay Alex because the gold market took a dip. | ||
| At least there's no indication of that. | ||
| It seems like it was because he got sued for defrauding customers, and the state of Minnesota took away his license to sell precious metals. | ||
| That'll be a problem. | ||
| Also, we've been over this at length, but their relationship wasn't like some good buddies just trying to help each other out. | ||
| Alex was a shameless gold salesman for large stretches of his career and mysteriously, he became less gung-ho about everyone desperately needed to buy gold in his more recent career. | ||
| That's after Ted stopped selling gold. | ||
| It's weird how that works. | ||
| It's crazy how quickly it went from gold will save your life and protect you from all diseases to zinc will save your life and protect you all from diseases. | ||
| It seems like the focus has shifted. | ||
| I also like whenever the relationship of money changes with Alex where it's like... | ||
| Ted Anderson, when he's giving money, is the greatest person that's ever lived. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| When he's not giving money. | ||
| This guy, I remember him, he couldn't pay me anymore. | ||
| That's how broke this guy was. | ||
| This guy couldn't pay me. | ||
| He couldn't pay me, but I'm such a good guy. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I kept things going with him. | ||
| So magnanimous. | ||
| Such a good dude. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So guess what? | ||
| Ted, he got wrapped up in the Sandy Hook business. | ||
| And it's not working out well for him. | ||
| He gets sued four years ago by the Sandy Hook Democrat lawyers. | ||
| And he had nothing to do with what I said on air or did. | ||
| And I was already off his network. | ||
| He was only a satellite provider. | ||
| But they don't care about that. | ||
| And now we know. | ||
| Now they want the network itself. | ||
| And people say, well, keep fighting. | ||
| Well, it takes money to fight them. | ||
| Plus, and Ted will have the floor here, but I just want to get this out now. | ||
| Ted has been running this network with 700 plus affiliates and over 100 shows on it, but with talk radio and the implosion in the media and the economy. | ||
| For a couple of years, it's been losing money, but because it's a pet project he started, and because he's got other companies he can advertise on it, he keeps it propped up, even though he's losing hundreds of thousands a year, and that number's going up. | ||
| Well, he can't defend a lawsuit against these people. | ||
| And so they say, that's fine. | ||
| Just give us your whole network. | ||
| We want you to surrender. | ||
| Surrender. | ||
| Which it would be a crippling blow. | ||
| Surrender. | ||
| Surrender! | ||
| So it's fun. | ||
| It is true that Ted is a co-defendant in the Connecticut Sandy Hook case. | ||
| And that's simply because he was disseminating and profiting off of Alex's defamatory content and targeted harassment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not positive that Alex's shady business practices are going to salvage this case because I feel like... | ||
| You know, if they have an existing syndication agreement and then Ted can't afford to pay Alex and Alex says, why don't you just keep on doing it and not pay me? | ||
| That seems like the agreement is still in place. | ||
| Alex has just agreed to forego payment. | ||
| Honestly, that just means that Ted's making even more money off Alex's lies about the Sandy Oak families since he doesn't need to cut Alex in for a taste. | ||
| He's essentially gotten rid of his overhead for lies. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Probably sucks to be Ted right now, but I have zero faith that the lawyers told him that he needed to surrender. | ||
| Surrender! | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| I mean, I guess maybe his radio network is an asset that could be deemed something he would need to sell to pay for whatever damages he's... | ||
| I mean, if he goes into bankruptcy, they're going to take them assets. | ||
| Yeah, and I thought it was really strange, because Alex is like, he's gonna fight this case, but like, he's... | ||
| I don't know this to be true because I don't have a whole lot of understanding of the inner workings of the Connecticut case. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they say that he got defaulted along with them. | ||
| Ooh. | ||
| Like, Alex says that he's already lost that case, so he just would be fighting the damages portion? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| There isn't a case to fight, really. | ||
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What in God's name are they doing? | |
| Crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Absolute lunacy. | ||
| So Alex, he wants to build Ted up as a hero, right? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because they need money. | ||
| His network's gone from making millions and millions of dollars a year profit to losing money, but he keeps it up there and keeps it running with the board ops, the engineers, the insurance, and all the people. | ||
| And then they come to him. | ||
| And Ted hadn't even told me this for a while, but then he just said, you know what? | ||
| Screw this. | ||
| I'm not going to shut down. | ||
| Quite frankly, Ted was planning to slowly shut down GCN. | ||
| But because they're trying to shut him down and because they're trying to silence those other hosts, he was going to give them time. | ||
| If he had to down the road, I know, to move other places. | ||
| Now Ted's going to... | ||
| Try to make GCN bigger than ever and stronger than ever. | ||
| We're going to fight all the way through the end. | ||
| And so he's here with us today, ladies and gentlemen, to talk about that. | ||
| And I appreciate him holding while I was saying this, but I'm going to put this out on air right now. | ||
| Let's put the URLs up, please. | ||
| Ted's already spent $300,000 plus battling these people. | ||
| Now to go to trial and fight them, it's going to cost him a half million dollars. | ||
| He's already losing hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to fund this and keep it on air. | ||
| And he's risking them getting judgments on him, even though he's totally innocent. | ||
| If this happens, but he's an American, because of the First Amendment, he believes in it, he's going to do it. | ||
| But he needs your help. | ||
| Ugh, this is sad. | ||
| Shouldn't Ted be the last person who's coming around begging on this show from Alex's audience? | ||
| Like, he was literally the guy selling them gold for the last few decades. | ||
| And this is where he's gotten to. | ||
| Like, this makes me really distrustful of precious metals investment. | ||
| This seems like if this is the end result of being deeply involved in gold and silver, eesh. | ||
| Man, I mean, it's hard to hear Alex say anything other than Ted Anderson is a really bad businessman who is also kind of a fraud. | ||
| And fucked up by allowing me to say whatever he wants on his syndicated airwaves. | ||
| So you should give him money. | ||
| These are... | ||
| Free market capitalists. | ||
| This guy's losing hundreds of thousands of dollars a year running a business, so what you should do is give it to him. | ||
| He's too shitty to fail. | ||
| He needs a bailout. | ||
| With no remuneration, nothing, just bail him out. | ||
| Because he's a great businessman, Dan. | ||
| They're going to promote this website, SaveGCN.com, which is actually just a redirect to a Give, Send, Go campaign. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The thing that's wild about it is Alex is like, he's going to put commercials on all of his shows on the GCN network for people to go to that website and support. | ||
| Yeah, but he was already doing sort of that when he was selling ad space and commercials on GCN. | ||
| He would have commercials for buying ads on GCN, which is basically like, that is give me money, but then you get something out of it. | ||
| You get an ad. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| This is just like... | ||
| Donate to keep my business afloat. | ||
| What I'm getting at is if there was potential for this business, you wouldn't need to do this because people would be buying that ad space. | ||
| And I would be getting him the money that he needs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I can understand these people being scammed by, like, religious people, you know, the gospel, the prosperity gospel people, because they don't have an actual business. | ||
| No, you can always just be like, oh, I'm giving it to God. | ||
| Not like I'm giving it to a failed businessman who lied. | ||
| And as a history of fraud. | ||
| I am struggling to pay my rent, but goddamn, this man's failing business needs me to... | ||
| Give it money. | ||
| We gotta keep Ted on air. | ||
| We gotta keep it going. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's important for democracy. | ||
| See, there's sort of an elephant in the room, and that is that Alex could just give Ted money. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| You don't get rich by giving money away. | ||
| And we'll put that URL back up there. | ||
| SaveGCN.com. | ||
| SaveGCN.com. | ||
| One word. | ||
| And go make a donation. | ||
| Because Ted came to me and he said, you know, I need three hundred thousand, five hundred thousand dollars, depending on what happens to go through this trial and all this. | ||
| He says, you know, I'm already losing a lot of money. | ||
| Do you want to try to help me or what do you think I should do? | ||
| And I said, Ted, by all means, do not turn the network over to these people so they can take all these people off the air and do this. | ||
| Let's fight them. | ||
| And he said, OK, so he needs. | ||
| So basically, if you take this version of the story... | ||
| Ted came to Alex and was like, hey man, I need $300,000. | ||
| And Alex is like, fuck that, let's get the audience to pay for it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's what happened. | ||
| You got it. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And I wouldn't be too surprised if this wasn't a situation where the behind-the-scenes conversation was more like Ted being like, hey Alex, you fucking asshole, you got me into this trouble. | ||
| Like, you understand I'm on the hook for this because of you. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I syndicated your show. | ||
| I made your fucking career. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I know so much about you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're going to find a way to pay my legal fee here because it's your fault. | ||
| You better. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I wouldn't be too surprised if there was something along those lines said. | ||
| Ah, man. | ||
| You know, I don't know. | ||
| I would imagine that he doesn't get to talk to Alex like that anymore. | ||
| If ever. | ||
| Well, I mean, Alex has that. | ||
| You know, when it's Ted Anderson and Alex, you can't really say, oh, I'll reveal information about you, because the answer to that is... | ||
| I'll reveal information about you. | ||
| I mean, we're both scamming liars. | ||
| What do you want? | ||
| But Ted's already been through it. | ||
| He already went to court. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| For his fraud. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not seriously suggesting that there necessarily has to have been some kind of a threat to reveal information. | ||
| But I would be very surprised if there wasn't a conversation that at least surrounded, this is your fault, Alex. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| You're going to do something to help me. | ||
| You've got to do something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if it's all it is is giving me an hour to beg your audience for money, then I guess that's what I'll take. | ||
| So you should give Ted money, and Alex would, but he doesn't have any money, and that means you should give him money. | ||
| What kind of insane person gives a millionaire money? | ||
| And listen, I could donate money to Ted's defense, and I'll do it if I have to, but I'm running out of money. | ||
| That's why we have save. | ||
| Saveinfowars.com. | ||
| We'll put that URL on screen. | ||
| Saveinfowars.com. | ||
| That also takes you to give Sin go. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's a plug to support Ted. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Alex would do it, but he can't because he doesn't have any money, so you've got to give him money, too. | ||
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Right. | |
| So save GCN. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Save Infowars. | ||
| Roger Stone's Legal Defense Fund. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We've got pills. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| We've got... | ||
| People can buy... | ||
| Reset Wars? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We've got a lot of revenue streams that involve no one getting anything for anything. | ||
| Well, I mean, they tried that weird coin they were selling. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| I forgot about that. | ||
| As a war bond. | ||
| Apparently that didn't work out. | ||
| No, I'm surprised. | ||
| I'm shocked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex has got some breaking news here. | ||
| We're not going to listen to any of Ted, because who cares? | ||
| Yeah, who cares? | ||
| Ted just says... | ||
| Hey, I got fucked here. | ||
| Yeah, he's a sad sack loser now. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| And always has been. | ||
| Well, yeah, that's true, but at least he doesn't have any money anymore. | ||
| So Alex got some breaking news that he's going to tease. | ||
| Well, the quickening's here. | ||
| I just received information in the last ten minutes that we knew was coming, but man, this is all coming down the wire. | ||
| After Ted leaves us, I'm going to bring this up with Joel Skousen, but it's official, and I was reading the document. | ||
| Biden DHS declares terrorism threat due to false and misleading narratives and conspiracy theories. | ||
| They go on in the document to say unsanctioned speech is terrorism. | ||
| They actually say that. | ||
| Sanctioned means authorized by the government. | ||
| So this is a bulletin that the DHS put out the day before this episode. | ||
| And unsurprisingly, it doesn't say that unsanctioned speech is now illegal. | ||
| That would be surprising. | ||
| It would be. | ||
| I mean, honestly, not that surprising for the DHS, but yes. | ||
| I think Alex is just misreading the word unsubstantiated. | ||
| Like, unsubstantiated narratives. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think that's what happened. | ||
| Can't read. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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So anyway, this is just a bulletin expressing the awareness that there are terror threats that are growing out of the COVID denial community, the 2020 election fraud community, and some other communities that are largely driven by rampant online misinformation. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's kind of sad to see this and be like, wow. | ||
| If this was 2009, you could turn this into a MYAC document. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| You just don't have the chops anymore. | ||
| You're going to forget about this in a week. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| He just doesn't have it. | ||
| And it's so... | ||
| Man. | ||
| The last people I would want policing anything on the internet are DHS. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, you know. | ||
| Unsubstantiated. | ||
| But them recognizing that these misinformation spheres and communities are places where... | ||
| The potential terror threats are developing. | ||
| Sure, yeah. | ||
| I think that that's well within what they're meant to do. | ||
| True, true, absolutely. | ||
| But it's just like, okay, why are you putting out a press release saying water's wet? | ||
| Like, I get it, man. | ||
| So Alex gets back into the Putin story because he's got Joel Skousen coming up. | ||
| He heard this, he read that Daily Mail article and he was like... | ||
| Get me Skousen. | ||
| Get me the Skowlin' Skousen. | ||
| We need that man. | ||
| He is my expert on these matters. | ||
| But also, Alex did way more work than just reading that Daily Mail article. | ||
| Totally, totally. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| We already played this several times in the first hour, but if Skousen wants, we can reread this on air. | ||
| But my interpretation of it is what it says. | ||
| He said, if NATO declares Article 5 and basically takes in Ukraine... | ||
| Then we're gonna invade. | ||
| And then if NATO overwhelms us, we're gonna use nuclear weapons. | ||
| And that's what he said. | ||
| Very, very chilling. | ||
| And we went and found the video. | ||
| I didn't just believe the Daily Mail when I saw it. | ||
| I went and actually found the video of Putin indeed saying that. | ||
| There's such an agenda that Alex has to create the appearance that he didn't do nothing. | ||
| And it's kind of understandable, because I think he is self-conscious about how... | ||
| Little he does. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, of course. | ||
| And how much he wants to have the appearance of somebody who takes this shit seriously and tries. | ||
| And I think... | ||
| I mean, I get it. | ||
| It's sad because he didn't. | ||
| He doesn't do anything. | ||
| No, I mean, but if you're the emperor and you're not wearing any clothes, it's really smart to tell people that you totally are. | ||
| You're totally... | ||
| I'm wearing so many fucking clothes. | ||
| This morning? | ||
| Tried on a million different clothes, and I'm wearing all of them right now. | ||
| I didn't just trust that Daily Mail article. | ||
| I went and I dug around and I found the video that was embedded in the Daily Mail article. | ||
| I changed my name to Elmore Leonard, gumshoes. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| So, uh, Skousam comes in and immediately just punctures this entire bubble that Alex is... | ||
| The whole narrative goes away. | ||
| Immediately. | ||
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Yes. | |
| It's so awesome. | ||
| Joel Skousen, thank you for joining us. | ||
| What in the world is really going on with this Russia situation? | ||
| Well, Alex, There's a lot of posturing going on, especially by Putin in that particular statement. | ||
| He knows that the United States is not going to invade. | ||
| Biden has already said it's off the table. | ||
| There are going to be no troops coming into Ukraine. | ||
| When it's attacked, they're going to let it fall. | ||
| They're going to wring their hands. | ||
| They're going to do sanctions. | ||
| But I doubt if he's even going to be able to... | ||
| You know, stop the pipeline, the gas pipeline coming in from Russia because the Germans are wedded to it and there's simply no way to, you know, handle their future gas needs. | ||
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But I'm still... | |
| Don't believe that this is going to lead to nuclear war because the U.S. will not go to war with Russia over Ukraine. | ||
| So Skousen comes in with a, whether or not his assessments are correct or anything, definitely comes in with a voice of authority because Alex has built him up as one of the best geopolitical experts. | ||
| And he comes in and just contradicts Alex across the board. | ||
| Alex spent like... | ||
| Ten minutes doing a bizarre fantasy about how quickly nukes will kill us all. | ||
| And then Skousen comes in and he's like, nah, it's not gonna happen. | ||
| This is posturing. | ||
| Did you not listen to the early part of the show? | ||
| Of course he didn't. | ||
| Skousen, I have said that we all deserve to die. | ||
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And now you're telling me we're not going to? | |
| It's deflating for Alex, for sure. | ||
| What am I going to do now? | ||
| How are we all going to die now? | ||
| COVID? | ||
| I'm bored of COVID. | ||
| I think that Skousen can tell that maybe Alex is a little bit disappointed, so he decides to throw a conspiracy out for him. | ||
| Sure! | ||
| Yeah, give him something. | ||
| This is big news. | ||
| Give him something. | ||
| Remember, the Soviet Union faked their own collapse in 1990. | ||
| They gave orders to let the wall come down, to let the riots go forward. | ||
| They even gave orders for the communist dictators to step down. | ||
| Ceaușescu of Romania was the only one who... | ||
| Refused, and he and his wife were killed. | ||
| Well, that's right. | ||
| It's come out that 100% they staged that. | ||
| Wow, so the fall of the Soviet Union. | ||
| The collapse of the Soviet Union was a false flag. | ||
| That's a big one. | ||
| So my first thought when I heard that is like, don't tell Steve Pachanek that. | ||
| Because he took down the Soviet Union. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say, this is, oh man, this is a complicated mythology that has occurred. | ||
| That is out and out in... | ||
| Violent conflict with itself. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, I mean, I guess it's possible that Steve Pachenik was then in on the false flag. | ||
| Well, I mean, he would have to. | ||
| Felling of the Soviet Union. | ||
| You know, he killed Aldo Moro, so he probably faked the end of the false flag. | ||
| Yeah, so I think that this indicates a lack of seriousness. | ||
| Well, I mean... | ||
| Full marks for saying we're not going to go to total nuclear war. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And he didn't even say that we deserve to die in a total nuclear war. | ||
| Restraint. | ||
| Gonna have to give him an F on the Russia false flagged its own collapse. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So you can give him another little bit of a mark here, and that is that Skousen, for all the problems that he has... | ||
| Does not trust Putin and recognizes certain things that he does that are clearly propaganda. | ||
| Paying people to have children and Xi Jinping three-child policy now and saying no sissy men on TV. | ||
| I mean, why do you think they're breaking? | ||
| Oh, that's a big question why I wanted you on. | ||
| George Soros coming out and really doubling down and now the FBI doubling down on China. | ||
| They denied China was a threat before. | ||
| Why are they admitting it now? | ||
| Well, first of all, let me answer the Putin question. | ||
| This is meant to deceive. | ||
| This is a major propaganda effort to deceive conservatives. | ||
| In the United States, into thinking that Putin is our savior. | ||
| And I get emails all the time about Putin is against the New World Order. | ||
| Well, sure, he's against the New World Order. | ||
| And he's been exposing, at least partially, the globalists in their support of ISIS in Syria, etc., by bombing those convoys. | ||
| But the whole thing about Putin building churches... | ||
| And the support of Christianity is a total fraud. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Ooh. | ||
| This is tough for Alex. | ||
| This is bad. | ||
| You can't have guests that don't listen to the show anymore. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You've got too much going on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you really run a danger when you have guests that have been on for years and years and have a necessity for you to take them seriously and to take them as actual experts. | ||
| Because this isn't... | ||
| Just like some asshole saying that Putin's lying about this religiosity. | ||
| This is conspiracy, second generation conspiracy royalty. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Yeah, and Alex is not happy. | ||
| I think he's so unhappy that he just basically is like, I'm done with this interview. | ||
| Really? | ||
| We're going to pick up seats in the House and we'll retain control of the Senate, but it won't be the complete slaughter that it would be if there were no vote fraud. | ||
| And, of course, they are going to make it very sophisticated and get prepared to make sure that we don't win the presidency again in 2024. | ||
| What else should we be watching? | ||
| It's back to eating lunch during interviews. | ||
| Oh, man, got to get this egg roll down while you bullshit people. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| I can't be mad at you. | ||
| I'm trapped. | ||
| I can eat my feelings. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, we've got Skousen coming in, just destroying the fear of nuclear war narrative. | ||
| Putin's not a good dude. | ||
| Calling out that PR propaganda campaign that Alex has fallen for and pushed on his show. | ||
| And now, Skousen, just to make a hat trick, has to... | ||
| And he makes a point of bringing this up. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| He goes out of his way. | ||
| Because he doesn't like that these conservative outlets and conspiracy sites have been promoting that weirdo grand jury in Germany. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| You can't do that, man. | ||
| So he's not thrilled with that. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Let me throw this out, because I covered this Saturday and Sunday this weekend. | ||
| Aired large excerpts. | ||
| Thought the info we put out was spot on, like you said. | ||
| I gathered that they were doing a people's grand jury. | ||
| Just like you have the 198 ways the Pentagon talks about of civil disobedience, nonviolent revolution, as a way to put this on to then show grand juries and other bodies the blueprint for victory. | ||
| I think I saw some statements out of them. | ||
| Are you saying that you saw areas where it wasn't being clear or what's happening? | ||
| Well, the entire Internet is alive with the false misimpression that he's actually filed suit and is sitting before a real grand jury. | ||
| And I want to make sure people understand that isn't true. | ||
| Oh, I got it. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| People have been calling me saying, hey, did you see the grand jury? | ||
| And I said, no, they don't even have those in Europe. | ||
| He's doing it, and I guess that's the fine print, as the model for other grand juries to then take action. | ||
| Yeah, but you can't do that. | ||
| In other words, what I'm saying is it's not a model. | ||
| There never will be a grand jury in the first place. | ||
| You should be filing a civil suit where you don't need a grand jury. | ||
| Grand juries are very heavily controlled by prosecutors. | ||
| They're just common citizens. | ||
| And they are like yes men to the prosecutors. | ||
| And it's very difficult to get a grand jury to really discuss the conspiratorial evidence. | ||
| And you've got to have conspiratorial proof, which none of that opening statement requires proof. | ||
| We all know it's true, but there's no way to prove it. | ||
| You don't have NSA transcripts of collusion between Fauci and the vaccine manufacturers and the lie. | ||
| You can't prove they're lying, etc. | ||
| So that's fascinating. | ||
| First of all, there is a logistical reality that Skousen recognizes that Alex doesn't, which I think is really funny. | ||
| But Skousen accidentally tipped the hand a little bit too much at the end there, which is you can't really do this in a grand jury because you don't have proof. | ||
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Yep. | |
| You can't introduce conspiratorial proof. | ||
| Shouldn't have done that. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| What happened to Skousen? | ||
| Did he get hit in the head? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Did somebody hit him in the head with a pan like a cartoon and he just woke up one day and he was like, maybe I should tell people that they don't have proof. | ||
| That's what's fascinating about his tone. | ||
| He's recognizing there is no proof-proof, but he also seems to be of the mind that, quote-unquote, conspiratorial proof is good enough. | ||
| Well, I mean, it is proof. | ||
| Insinuation, belief. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's not proof. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, his literal point is you can't take this to a place where a grand jury is. | ||
| They require proof. | ||
| You have to go to a different court. | ||
| You have to go to a civil court. | ||
| So a grand jury has nothing to do with it. | ||
| I think you'd even have trouble in a civil court. | ||
| I think you'd have a lot of trouble in a civil court. | ||
| Yeah, there's a... | ||
| That's too much of an awareness that there's no proof for the things that they believe. | ||
| Yeah, that's weird coming from him. | ||
| I have not heard him really just start saying, throwing around, we don't have proof. | ||
| Well, we know that Fauci did all this stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But we can't prove it. | ||
| Well, see, that's a problem because you say you can prove it. | ||
| Oh, we know it. | ||
| We feel it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It feels right. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| But you said you can prove it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I can. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Not in a grand jury. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Why not? | ||
| I can't prove it. | ||
| I can't prove it. | ||
| Well, then don't say you can prove it. | ||
| But I can prove it. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Well, then prove it. | ||
| Third base! | ||
| This interview with Skousen was a little disappointing for Alex, and I feel like he got a little deflated. | ||
| Yeah, I can understand that. | ||
| So as the third hour is ending, though, someone put up the Alex bat signal. | ||
| All right, folks. | ||
| Wayne Allen Root's got some big news, and he was going to be hosting the fourth hour, but he wants me to be on with him for some reason. | ||
| I'm sure it's an important reason, so I'm going to be on the first segment, a long segment with him coming up. | ||
| So Wayne Allen Root has been like, we need you, Alex. | ||
| We got it. | ||
| I'm hosting the fourth hour, but something bombshell stuff. | ||
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It's too big. | |
| Too big to not have AJ right there. | ||
| Yeah, so the big news is that he's interviewed Trump. | ||
| And so he's got some Trump goss. | ||
| Big news. | ||
| Some hot goss. | ||
| Some hot Trump goss. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And one of the things is about how Wayne Allen Root believes that Trump should be the Speaker of the House. | ||
| I'm sorry, what? | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Not only does Wayne Allen Root believe this, he's pissed off that other people ascribe the idea to someone else. | ||
| People say that Steve Bannon came up with that idea. | ||
| It's my idea. | ||
| Damn it! | ||
| I want to take credit for the worst ideas! | ||
| Well, that's debatable if there was a worse idea. | ||
| It's not a good one, though. | ||
| No. | ||
| I mentioned him being Speaker of the House, which I was the first guy in the country to ever bring that idea up, that he'd be Speaker of the House. | ||
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And a lot of people give me credit. | |
| All the media, every time they talk about it, they say Wayne Root asked him about it. | ||
| But they say Steve Bannon is the one who first brought it up. | ||
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Not true. | |
| Steve Bannon brought it up in February of 2021. | ||
| I wrote about it in my nationally syndicated column in January of 2021. | ||
| And I said, Trump should become Speaker of the House and lead and open and lead the investigations, criminal investigations against Biden for everything he's about to do that we know will destroy this country. | ||
| And so I asked Trump whether he would be willing to be Speaker of the House. | ||
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I put my foot on his neck again and said, Will you be willing to be Speaker of the House? | |
| And he didn't say no, which is very interesting. | ||
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He didn't say no. | |
| He said, well, I hope we don't need that. | ||
| We shouldn't need that. | ||
| But he wouldn't say no. | ||
| That's a really good move because he could easily win. | ||
| A House seat anywhere he wants to do it, and then they would vote him in as a speaker. | ||
| That would be amazing. | ||
| I don't think that would happen. | ||
| But also, Wayne Allen Root is fucked up. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Here's two things that are fucked up that he wants. | ||
| He wants Trump to come in and investigate the guy who beat him in an election. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Certainly healthy. | ||
| Above board, no conflicts of interest. | ||
| Very healthy for a political system. | ||
| Democracy. | ||
| And the second thing is that he wants him to investigate Biden for future crimes. | ||
| Yes, crimes that we know he will commit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's really messed up. | ||
| Now, I'll tell you this. | ||
| Here's the problem. | ||
| If I take the results of that investigation to a grand jury, they are not going to believe it's proof. | ||
| No, probably not. | ||
| No, it's not really future crime proof thought. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex thinks, like, okay, Trump can get this House seat, and then he'll become the Speaker of the House. | ||
| Wayne believes that there's a quicker route. | ||
| Oh my God, tell me about it. | ||
| And this is where Alex, I think, even is just like, why am I surrounded by fucking idiots? | ||
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No, but you don't need to win a House seat. | |
| Anybody could be Speaker of the House. | ||
| After we win, after the Republicans control the House, you can name, you can vote in. | ||
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First of all, you can nominate anyone you want. | |
| No, but I knew that too. | ||
| I read your article back when it came out, but I mean, at the same time, he could just run for the Senate or run for the House. | ||
| I know the Senate's different than the House for Speaker, but that would be, imagine Senator Trump. | ||
| That's a great leapfrog back into the White House. | ||
| But it's clear to me he doesn't want to do that, so I'd rather make it easy for him now. | ||
| All you have to do instead of running is be nominated for Speaker of the House, and if the new House elects you, that's it. | ||
| But have they ever had a Speaker of the House that didn't come out of the House? | ||
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I don't believe so, but that doesn't mean... | |
| Hey, did you ever think they'd elect Donald Trump president? | ||
| Anything can happen in this world. | ||
| If you have enough momentum, anything can happen. | ||
| I think Alex is even like... | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| I've never had a Speaker who wasn't from the House. | ||
| But it is technically true that you can be elected even if you're not in the House. | ||
| But that's never going to happen. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is a fun, wacky, can-do spirit that Wayne is embodying, though. | ||
| I mean, there's something. | ||
| He's got ideas. | ||
| Bad ideas. | ||
| So this isn't going to happen. | ||
| It's not plausible in any way. | ||
| And one of the main reasons for this is that there are tons of jobs that the Speaker takes on from an administrative and party leadership position that... | ||
| I don't think the GOP would be interested in having Trump be in charge of. | ||
| No. | ||
| Leaving alone the fact that Trump doesn't want that much work. | ||
| Also, these motherfuckers like Alex and Wayne, they can agitate all they want about how their leadership in Congress is weak and ineffective, but in the real world, the greatest gift they could give the Democrats is somehow throwing out Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy and replacing them with some inept diplomatic lightweight who wouldn't be able to rally the caucus. | ||
| The amazement that I have for conservatives who are like, Mitch McConnell's gotta go, are like... | ||
| Have you guys not been around? | ||
| Mitch McConnell has successfully kicked the entire ass of the United States for 30 years. | ||
| Yeah, Mitch McConnell's an asshole, but he's very effective. | ||
| He's really good at destroying the world. | ||
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His party leadership role. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That's something that should be of higher value to these extreme right dickholes. | ||
| He should get a fucking spot for life in the GOP. | ||
| He stole a Supreme Court seat and then successfully got two more. | ||
| He is destroying... | ||
| He destroyed the entirety of the Supreme Court for the rest of the United States' history. | ||
| It's not a real court anymore. | ||
| That's him! | ||
| Yeah, that would not be achieved with a lesser party leader. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| Someone who didn't have the ability to negotiate with various parts of the caucus and get everybody on the same page. | ||
| It just would not have worked. | ||
| And I don't think that people like Alex necessarily I care about that or recognize the importance of that and just think like, oh, get fucking Matt Gaetz in there and we'll run roughshod. | ||
| No, you will not. | ||
| You will have your party fracture because he can't get people to come on board. | ||
| The bananas idea that... | ||
| Trump is this big, super strong man who we need to have lead the country. | ||
| But, well, because he doesn't say that he wants to do it, I'm going to make it easy for him. | ||
| I need my big strong man to not have to work hard at all. | ||
| And I hate Mitch McConnell, who has successfully steered this entire country into hell for 30 years. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I hate that guy. | ||
| Give me the lazy asshole. | ||
| Also, just from a, like... | ||
| Odds perspective. | ||
| Like, we already talked about this when Marjorie Taylor Greene was on, and they're talking about her becoming the Speaker of the House. | ||
| There's no way you'd rally the kind of votes that you'd need. | ||
| And she's in the House. | ||
| The idea of rallying the kind of votes necessary to, like, get Trump out of office to be Speaker of the House, former president, it's just impossible. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| I mean, I like... | ||
| The acknowledgement that Trump shouldn't and couldn't have become president unless we live in a topsy-turvy world and anything can happen. | ||
| But I'm going to go out on a limb here and I'm going to say this is one of the few things that absolutely cannot happen. | ||
| Again, crazy world. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But I still think this is not going to happen. | ||
| Yeah, this one's a little bit far-fetched. | ||
| And I recognize also talking about the Speaker of the House and McConnell's in the Senate and all that, but... | ||
| The point still stands in terms of the rallying of caucuses. | ||
| And Kevin McCarthy is quite competent as well. | ||
| But the impact of trying to unseat these people who are very effective party leaders is stupid. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It is amazing. | ||
| Like, genuinely, if the Democrats had somebody like Mitch McConnell, it would have been ridiculous. | ||
| And instead, Nancy Pelosi has $100 million. | ||
| So that's nice. | ||
| That is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we come to the end of this, and I feel like this episode had a fun arc to it. | ||
| It did. | ||
| As much as Alex is obsessed with the nuclear war, and then Skousen ruins it at the end. | ||
| Skousen kicks him a couple more times. | ||
| Just a little kid holding birthday balloons as Skousen goes up with a pin and just pop, pop, pop. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Pop, and then he looks at him. | ||
| You see this kid? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex has a goddamn Nazi on to talk about the truckers, and Ted Anderson needs money. | ||
| I mean, wild. | ||
| It's a stupid show. | ||
| What show? | ||
| How is this a show? | ||
| I thought parts of it were pretty funny. | ||
| It's very funny. | ||
| Anyway, Jordan, we'll be back. | ||
| We will. | ||
| But until then, I hear tale that we have a website. | ||
| We do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Now go to bed, Jordan. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Cork. | ||
| I'm Daryl Rundis. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. |