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Feb. 9, 2022 - Knowledge Fight
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#646: February 6, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan check back in on the present day of the Alex Jones Show.  In this installment, Alex reveals a confusing understanding of the world's power structure, overhypes a German mock trial full of weirdos, and the gents get fascinated with Roger Stone's online store. Citations 

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alex jones
16:06
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dan friesen
57:09
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jordan holmes
23:31
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roger stone
03:29
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steve quayle
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unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
roger stone
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
We're the bad guys.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to KnowledgeFight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
alex jones
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you, sir.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is all the tweets about Joe Rogan that I get to read.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's so great.
dan friesen
Love it!
No, I guess the other night I played a Mario party with my buddy Nicky Gifts, his wife, and my old buddy Crane.
We have an old history of playing Mario parties together back in the days, back in the Columbia days.
jordan holmes
Yeah, deep rivalries.
dan friesen
What we would do is we would play 50 turn Mario parties.
There's this level...
On one of the GameCube versions of Mario Party, there was Pagoda Peak, and so the star never moves.
You just go up this mountain, and then you start back at the bottom, and you go back up, and you just get really high, and have a long playlist of music.
It would just take all day.
jordan holmes
That would be the whole day.
dan friesen
Play a Mario Party.
It was just...
The worst, but the best.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is that one time in your life where that's, like, a great day.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so now the Mario Party Superstars, or whatever the fuck it's called, now they have the capability of playing remote games.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so, you know, we live in different cities and such, but we were able to play a Mario Party, and it was a lot of fun.
jordan holmes
Isn't that great?
dan friesen
And I won!
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course you do.
unidentified
Wow!
jordan holmes
You win, like, all the time.
You're an absurd person.
dan friesen
No, no, that's not true.
I'm really bad at minigames.
I was really expecting it.
I was going to end up losing.
But I think what happened was I ended up winning because Nick ended up randomly losing a star on the second-to-last term.
He landed on a Bowser space and lost a star.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
He got a bad beat.
dan friesen
It's all randomness.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it was a lot of fun.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
So, great.
Thank you, technology, for catching up.
jordan holmes
You got one in the positive, several thousand in the negative, but you got one in the positive.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Good work.
My bright spot is the flowers that I ordered for my partner were delivered today.
dan friesen
I saw a tweet about this.
jordan holmes
Or yesterday.
Maybe today.
No, it was today.
dan friesen
It was a Valentine's Day thing, but that's next week.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
So the idea I had was, if you recall, we had the chocolate strawberry.
Right.
unidentified
Fiasco.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Who could forget?
jordan holmes
I ordered both of them on the wrong day.
So this year, I was like, I'll make a joke off of that.
And I'll order the flowers to be delivered a week early.
And it'll be like a, you know, it'll be a reference.
We'll all have a giggle and there'll be flowers at the end of it.
And it was going to be a surprise.
dan friesen
Or she's going to hit you over the head with a bouquet of flowers.
jordan holmes
Right, or something along those lines.
And it'll be a surprise.
And then they didn't show up last night.
So all of a sudden, a surprise.
dan friesen
Did you already tell her in advance?
jordan holmes
No, I had to tell her though when they didn't show up.
dan friesen
Why?
She didn't know they were coming.
jordan holmes
See, that's what I realized today.
dan friesen
You're crazy.
jordan holmes
When they did show up, I was like, I could have just said nothing.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
It would have been neutral.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
And instead, what I got her was sadness.
dan friesen
The joke doesn't work if it's six days early as opposed to seven.
jordan holmes
No, no, I understand.
It was just a massive screw-up on my part.
Could have gotten away with it.
But alas, they still did show up in their grape.
They smell great and she's happy.
dan friesen
That impulse is very strange.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
The need to explain the lack of a surprise to somebody.
There's no expectation.
jordan holmes
No, you don't understand.
It was an emotional burden that I was carrying that I just couldn't handle anymore.
I need her support to deal with it.
dan friesen
Alright.
So, Jordan, today, speaking of needing emotional support, we will need a little bit of a crutch to get through this Alex Jones episode.
I don't know.
Okay.
That was not a great transition on my part.
I'm usually fairly good, but that was a B. So today we're going to be talking about his Sunday show.
Sunday!
The 6th of February.
And one of the reasons I decided to do this episode is I got sucked in by listening to the episode, and Alex says at the beginning that he's hosting all four hours on Sunday.
Usually he does two hours, and then Owen comes in for Sunday Night Live, which is a riff on Saturday Night Live.
jordan holmes
And it's just as funny.
dan friesen
It is, but there's no sketches, there's no characters, which is unfortunate.
I would love it if they did a Sunday Night Live and they had characters come in to the desk.
The weekend update.
jordan holmes
That's when we find out that Pete Davidson's totally cool with InfoWars.
That's when we do it.
dan friesen
Rainbow Snatch could come back.
unidentified
Right!
jordan holmes
She's gotta be there.
I'm surprised she's not on the regular SNL.
She's ready for primetime, baby.
dan friesen
I know that Harrison Smith's got a reel.
He's gotta have a couple of good...
Maybe a Burt Reynolds?
jordan holmes
I would just say...
Jason Schwartzman from Rushmore.
And that's it.
dan friesen
I think you can pull it off.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex was hosting Sunday Night Live as well.
And so I was like, okay, I'm going to treat this like it's a full-on episode.
But then the Sunday Night Live episode isn't posted on band.video and I can't find it.
So anyway, I got sucked into this and we had this Sunday episode.
There's some meat on these bones, but not a ton.
jordan holmes
Not a ton.
dan friesen
This is not...
If you're looking for an in-depth, like...
Important episode.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This might not be it.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
This is not even a Cornish game hen.
This is a grouse.
We're screwed.
dan friesen
This is grouse time.
But hey, it's Wednesday.
We don't need to be putting out an episode anyway.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Enjoy.
jordan holmes
Good luck.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So before we get into this, though, let's say hello to some new wonks, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Corbin G. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Corbin!
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Babel Info...
Infocalypse.
Babel Infocalypse.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, dear everyone, you're doing the best you can, and that's all anyone can ask of you.
Love Mike.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Mike!
alex jones
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Bill Cooper's Tax Returns.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
alex jones
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Matthew and the Amazing Technocrat Colored Rust Belt.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
And we got a couple of technocrats in the mix.
So first, Steve G. from Gilbert's.
Thank you so much.
You're now a technocrat.
And Dr. Pachanik, or how I learned to stop worrying and love the psyop.
Thank you so much.
You're now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
I have risen above my enemies.
I might quit tomorrow, actually.
I'm just going to take a little breaky now.
A little breaky for me.
And then we're going to come back, and I'm going to start the show over.
But I'm the devil!
I've got to be taken off the air!
unidentified
Fuck you!
alex jones
Fuck you!
I've got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World Order, and fuck the horse you rode in on, and all your shit!
Maybe today should be my last broadcast.
Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.
Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow, and you never see me again.
That's really what I want to do.
I never want to come back here again.
I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air.
I'll be better tomorrow.
dan friesen
I'm not sure if he is better, but this is a real just InfoWars-ass episode.
jordan holmes
This is bread and butter.
Regular-ass InfoWars.
dan friesen
There's not real insanity.
There's not outbursts.
He's not morose.
jordan holmes
No, he just put his hat on, clocked in, and he got through the day.
dan friesen
It's just a show.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
We've got a wonderful show.
Actually, honestly, tonight, it's just going to be okay.
We have to do it, even if we don't have a wonderful show for you tonight.
dan friesen
That's Alex starting his Sunday Night Live.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
His monologue.
jordan holmes
We have to do this.
We're contractually obligated.
dan friesen
So here's where he starts with the headline.
And actually, I think there's a little bit of fairness here.
alex jones
First off, you all know what happened Friday afternoon, or you should probably.
And that is Bloomberg put out the headline that Russia had attacked Ukraine.
And they had all their reporting ready for what then supposedly unfolded.
They did this before the last two Iraq wars as well.
I'll be getting more into it today.
But the Russian...
Foreign Ministry spokesperson said the new name for fake news should be Bloomberg.
I absolutely agree.
dan friesen
That might have lost something in translation.
It's possible.
jordan holmes
No, it was a great joke.
dan friesen
So Alex doesn't really get too much into this PSYOP and the precise dynamics of it or showing the instances of where Bloomberg did this.
jordan holmes
I was kind of expecting him to do that.
dan friesen
No, but this sucks.
I would hope that someone actually within the organization of Bloomberg actually got fired over this mistake.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, so something did happen.
dan friesen
There was a mistake.
jordan holmes
Okay, cool.
dan friesen
So the long and short of what happened is that Bloomberg, as well as many other internet-based media organizations, they tend to create dummy pages with headlines of many possible outcomes and headlines that could happen in any given day or week in order to get a jump on things.
Because there's a perverse incentive in that media space to be the first with something to report.
This is not an unheard of situation.
One of the times this has been a topic of conversation online was in terms, there was this time back in 2003 when it came out that CNN had prepared obituary pages for a number of celebrities who were still alive, but were, you know, there were folks that might die, and it would be big news if they did.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Then again, in 2020, Radio France Internationale had about 100 draft obituaries for celebrities that accidentally got published, and in the process, they falsely announced the deaths of the Queen, soccer legend Pele, Yoko Ono, and Jimmy Carter, among others.
jordan holmes
And in order to avoid having to make a correction, they went and killed all of those people, I assume.
dan friesen
Big team of assassins.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I assume so.
dan friesen
So those are some fairly lower-stakes situations, and that's what makes this Bloomberg situation here a larger fuck-up.
This is a tense geopolitical minefield, so they should be overly careful, but even so, this doesn't seem like it's anything more than a mistake.
If you've ever tracked breaking news on large media sites like CNN or Bloomberg, you'll know that often the pages for these breaking stories are little more than a headline and a brief synopsis of what information is available.
which is then updated as new details come out.
Again, because of these businesses, the model that they have that so highly values who got this story out first, it makes total sense that these organizations Yeah.
Yeah.
Everything Alex does every day and basically every headline on InfoWars is a malicious and intentional attempt to lie.
So I'm not going to take his complaints on this one too seriously.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there was one of those just today, I think, from the Hollywood Reporter about how Spider-Man and No Way Home was snubbed.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
And there's that little, like...
And once again, that little pre-written blurb of once again, the Academy has snubbed Marvel and instead nominated XXX, XXX, XXX, and you're like, oh, you wrote that yesterday.
dan friesen
Yeah, I didn't see that, but it makes total sense that they would do that.
jordan holmes
Because you already know.
dan friesen
That Marvel movies are not going to get nominated for Best Picture.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Someone is going to want to read that story.
People are going to click on it.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
And why not write it in advance?
The worst case scenario is it does get nominated and then you throw out the draft.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
There's no downside to it.
None.
Unless you accidentally publish these things.
jordan holmes
Unless it's about a war with another country.
That is a downside.
dan friesen
Then there's a downside.
jordan holmes
There's a downside there.
dan friesen
And I think that maybe you should do, like, Bloomberg could do an internal audit.
Maybe they could fire somebody.
I don't know.
Also, I would say that maybe it's not a great idea for the media to operate in a state where their business model relies on living with the possibility that someone could accidentally post a headline that leads to a war beginning.
jordan holmes
No, nothing wrong with that.
dan friesen
Maybe they should readjust those priorities.
jordan holmes
How is it possible to write that, to pre-write the war-started story without losing your fucking mind, right?
Like, that requires some sort of ability to go to a different place to pre-write, like, millions of people are about to die in a blink, you know?
Like, that's crazy!
That's crazy!
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, how do you write any headline?
jordan holmes
That's a good question.
dan friesen
How do you write?
Uh-oh.
You're going to need to go back to elementary.
alex jones
Right?
dan friesen
So Alex has some ideas about Russia's various adventures, let's say, on their border.
alex jones
You know, back when I was a little more naive in 2008, I got up one morning at about 6.30 in the morning, went in, got some coffee, turned on my desktop big screen computer, and there was the headline on Drudge and everywhere else that...
It was coming from CNN that Russia had invaded Georgia.
And I jumped the shower real quick, jumped the car, drove in.
By the time I got to work at about 9 o 'clock, I was checking foreign news channels, including German and others, and they were reporting, actually, well, the Russians got attacked on their border in Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and then they came in.
And that was all true, but it didn't matter.
Our media said that Russia had attacked Georgia.
So if you follow the past actions of the globalists, it looks to me like they're getting ready to launch a larger war against the Russians and try to take back some of the areas that the Russians took in 2014 on their border and, of course, their main pipeline and main Black Sea base there strategically in southern Ukraine.
dan friesen
That's a really interesting clip because I think it tells you two things immediately that are weird.
The first is that Alex is somehow okay with Russia's invasion of Ukraine back in 2014 because he thinks that they did it for strategic reasons.
I guess if that's the standard needed to justify invasions, I can't imagine how Alex could be opposed to literally any military action ever.
jordan holmes
God, we should invade Texas to get their oil reserves, for Christ's sake.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, think about it.
Hitler technically invaded Poland for reasons that he felt were strategic interests.
jordan holmes
You needed it.
dan friesen
So Alex...
I guess he thinks that's justified.
Hey, listen.
That's bizarre.
jordan holmes
You gotta annex the Sudetenland.
You just gotta.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
You just gotta.
dan friesen
So the second thing you learn is that Alex believes in a completely false version of what happened between Russia and Georgia in 2008.
Alex's story just isn't true.
The picture of what led up to that five-day war is very complicated.
It involves things like NATO's Bucharest Summit Declaration, which announced plans to move forward with plans to have Georgia and Ukraine join the organization, an act that was a hard line for Russia.
It involved things like the Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili having ambitions to reintegrate the regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia into the Yeah.
The picture of what happened in 2008 isn't really a subject of some grand conspiracy, and I have no interest in Alex's real take on it, except that this is clearly a part of continuing to establish his preemptive narrative that if anything happens in Russia and Ukraine, Russia is blameless, and it's going to be a globalist attack.
unidentified
They are just out here trying to get through the day, man.
jordan holmes
Putin is an honest, hardworking gentleman.
He wakes up at 6.30.
He puts his shoes on.
He puts his pants on after that because it's a little bit different in Russia, but he goes to work like the rest of us, okay?
He's a good man!
You can trust him!
dan friesen
It's very...
It's strange because I think that Alex just buys anything that comes out from that media space.
And I think it's largely just built on a steadfast oppositional defiance to Western news.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Despite the Russia being somehow a beacon of the West also.
dan friesen
Yes, exactly.
There we go.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is strange.
I'm amazed by anybody who can't have more of a clear-eyed picture of geopolitics as just like a...
I don't think there's any good guys.
You know?
dan friesen
And it's kind of rare that there is a demonic bad guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and I would never come to the defense of some...
Military action.
I'm not going to be like, no, no, no.
It's totally cool for Russia to blow this thing.
No.
No, it's not.
dan friesen
Period.
jordan holmes
It's not cool for the United States to blow it up.
Nobody should be blowing shit up.
dan friesen
I think in addition to what you're saying, there's not really necessarily quote-unquote good guys.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's also just not clear and uncomplex situations that lead to these kinds of things.
There's not, like, crystal clear, like, ah, yes, the globalists want to do this, and so they will fake something in order to...
Like, Alex has these, I don't know, children's story books about, like, how these things happen.
It's just, it's annoying.
jordan holmes
He greatly downplays the amount of just...
Opportunism that is involved in global politics.
Something happens, and then somebody just sees the opportunity to jump on it.
I don't think Putin is trying to invade Ukraine if there isn't a massive dip in trust in the United States, hegemony, ability of the UN to back up its statements.
All of this stuff is also due to COVID.
dan friesen
Or a meeting in January that reaffirmed Ukraine's desire.
To join NATO.
Exactly.
There are reasons, there are pictures to this that just...
And I think that the other thing, too, is that there's a real agency that Alex ascribes to himself and people like Trump.
And then there is a lack of agency and the individual desires that people have as world leaders.
It just seems to be absent.
Everything is just like weird pieces on a board, except for Trump and maybe Ron Paul.
jordan holmes
There's the players, and then there's Ron Paul, and then everybody else is the game.
dan friesen
Right.
I mean, the Georgia situation in particular was one where President Saakashvili was driven to reunite the country based on what he felt was the mandate of when he came into power in 2004.
Right.
Being able to bring in one of the territories as he was, you thought, like, well, I'll get Abkhazia and South Ossetia back, too.
jordan holmes
No kidding.
dan friesen
Did not work.
Yeah.
That was...
jordan holmes
And for as much as Alex cares about sovereign borders, it seems like they can be awfully fungible.
dan friesen
Well, when it's on Russia's border.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
It's strange.
It's real weird.
But again, I don't think it's a fealty to Russia or anything.
I think it's an opposition to the existing international order that he views as demonic.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just weird.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, he's just really, really invested in trying to build up this preemptive narrative that if anything happens, it's a false flag.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So he can profit off it.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
That's what they're getting ready for.
That's what they're doing.
It's incredibly dangerous.
It's incredibly bad.
And Tucker Carlson on Friday did a really great job of laying this all out.
So I don't normally air his whole monologue, but we're going to do it today because...
Because he did such a great job.
dan friesen
Let me be clear.
Alex often re-airs entire Tucker Carlson monologues.
This is not something that he rarely does.
jordan holmes
So he's not going to host the full four hours.
dan friesen
He's going to let Tucker do about 15. It's something that he does pretty regularly on his show.
You know, the first six minutes of the show is not broadcast on a lot of radio stations, and so he'll play John Bowne and Greg Reese reports during that time, and he'll also sometimes just play Tucker Carlson's monologues.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's like he's in the fold of these special reporters of InfoWars, but I don't think he consented to it.
jordan holmes
No, but also at the same time, what's he going to do?
Sue him?
You know, like, oh, if Tucker sues Alex Jones for copyright, give it to me.
Give it to me now.
dan friesen
I mean, it is Fox News' property.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but they're not going to be like, Tucker's not going to go to them and be like, hey, I think you should let him play.
unidentified
And they're like, no, intellectual property!
dan friesen
So Alex has some other things about various Russian-related war.
That he seems to have some weird positions on.
alex jones
The little globalist, anti-American, New World Order operative said, just take my word for it, it's true, they are going to stage a false flag, complete with fake movie productions.
Meaning anything Russians show, they're going to say is a fake production.
When it was the white helmets and the blue helmets and the UN got caught, along with a bunch of the Islamics in Syria staging chemical attacks on Assad, which later came out, were staged, and were fake.
And the little boy that was supposedly dying from the nerve gas, he went on TV and said it was all fake and they paid his dad to have him do it.
Remember the kids are doing this and they may stop and look.
I mean, all of that, ladies and gentlemen, is what the globalists do.
dan friesen
So Alex is very wrong about the larger picture of chemical attacks carried out by Assad in Syria, but that's a long-standing position that he has.
Possibly because a lot of the people he talks to about geopolitics are Putin and Assad apologists and propagandists.
But getting into the larger subject of the attacks would probably be too broad of a subject to get into right now.
But Alex doesn't generally make specific claims about anything, so it's really hard to nail things down.
But in that clip, he did use a specific, and I want to discuss that a little bit.
So Alex brings up this Syrian boy who was videotaped being treated for exposure to a chemical attack in Douma in April 2018.
And he says that he later came out and said that this was all fake and that he was paid to be in the video.
Right.
Some of the claims Alex is making here are actually true, but it's critically important to understand the context of what he's saying, because in that light, it becomes clear that these things he's correct about just reveal how wrong Alex is about the larger picture.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
So the child in question is 11-year-old Hassan Diab, who's seen on video having his eyes washed after a chemical attack.
In the video, this is a video that made the rounds really quickly because it was something where journalists...
jordan holmes
Evocative of everything that was going on.
dan friesen
And reporters couldn't get into the city, and people couldn't get out, so this footage getting out was very shocking.
So this obviously was very threatening as an image to folks like Assad and his backers, like Russia.
So there was a large-scale campaign that launched to discredit this video and use it as proof that the humanitarian groups in it were actually propagandist liars trying to lure the U.S. into attacking Syria.
The way they set out to do this was to release an interview on the state-owned Russia24 channel where Diab is interviewed and says that there wasn't an attack and he didn't know why people were putting water on him.
And they didn't say that he got paid to say these things.
He got food from these humanitarian people.
So that is a video that Alex has seen and is the basis for his contention that people were faking being the victims of chemical weapons attacks.
But I would strongly suggest that Alex should look a little bit deeper into the reality of that video because it's full of red flags.
The day after the video was shot, Russian military took over DOMA and then refused to let inspectors from the organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons in until two weeks after that point, at least partially due to possibly legitimate concerns about their safety due to unexploded munitions and such.
Sure.
unidentified
There may have been some part of it that was a legitimate concern, but it also is a little Red flags gone up, but it's not a...
jordan holmes
Conclusive.
dan friesen
Yeah.
In the meantime, this video with Diab was shot not in Doma, where he lived, but in Damascus, which is about a half-hour drive away.
Initially, the reporter for Russia24 was evasive about the context of the interview that they did, but it eventually came out that it was done at the Syrian Army Officers Club, a location that was generally full of Russian military and analysts.
jordan holmes
Right.
You know, it's like how whenever you want to have an interrogation, you know, you want to have...
If I'm being interrogated, I want to have, like, 30 police officers all pointing guns at my head while I answer questions.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Pedobny had...
as the journalist, had previously claimed that it hadn't been done there.
But The Intercept reported on, quote, "an exhaustive crowdsourced search for images the exterior of the building, and it's definitely there.
Then there's the question of the presence of three uniformed military guys in the background for part of the report, something that doesn't scream, this is above board.
Podobny, quote, insisted they were merely on their way to a local cafe.
The reality is that it's just not possible to take this interview at face value.
There's just far too many places where intimidation could be present, and it seems sketchy, and things that are being said about the context of the video are shown to not be accurate in hindsight.
jordan holmes
It should be allowed, and in fact, I think...
Required by law to throw a handful of flour into the face of any military person saying they were on their way to a cafe.
Go fuck yourself.
How dare you?
dan friesen
Here's a baguette.
jordan holmes
How dare you?
Right in the face.
Do you want to try that again?
Another one right in the face!
dan friesen
So then there's another really serious problem with the video, which is, at the end, they purport to be interviewing a former militant who claims that he made staged victim videos.
As the person is talking, the news report shows images of a group of people creating staged shots of victims, clearly implying that this is corroborating what the interview subject is talking about and are actually shots of him and his crew creating fake videos to demonize Assad.
jordan holmes
Instead, they were lifetime recreations that were...
dan friesen
The video is very...
clearly trying to make that point.
Yeah.
unidentified
However, these are still images from the shooting of a dramatic film directed by Humam Hussari, a Syrian filmmaker.
dan friesen
He was making a movie where the plot revolved around a dramatized version of a previous chemical attack that he lived through in 2013.
The intent to mislead the viewer is very clear here, and there's very real concerns.
It's a couple-minute-long video.
It makes it very, very hard to trust.
Then, in 2019, the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons put out their final report about the attack in Doma.
Their conclusion was, quote, regarding the alleged use of toxic chemicals as a weapon on the 7th of April 2018 in Doma, the Syrian Arab Republic, the evaluation and analysis of all the information gathered by the FBI Right.
reasonable grounds that the use of toxic chemical as a weapon took place.
Right.
contained reactive chlorine, the toxic chemical was likely molecular chlorine.
Anyway, the point here is that Alex is a chemical weapon attack denier and he accepted that very dubious video as being real because it affirmed the conclusion he had already decided.
Right, right.
jordan holmes
So, in so doing, he has twisted himself into a place where defending people who cover up horrific atrocities because of strategic needs.
dan friesen
I guess so, yeah.
I mean, I think that even if Alex were backed into a corner where he had to admit that these attacks are real, like, there's a part of him that seems like he would still...
jordan holmes
Well, they had to.
I mean, they had to do them.
dan friesen
Well, you're fighting the devil.
jordan holmes
You are.
Like, I understand that we don't want to do these rules of war stuff, but you know what?
When you're fighting an enemy this bad, anything's okay.
dan friesen
It's really strange.
I think it's abhorrent, and I find it to be the sort of thing that...
Doesn't get maybe enough attention in terms of some of his positions, but I think in hindsight is something that may be more relevant.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's something that I think should haunt him.
It should linger.
jordan holmes
So many things should be haunting people.
So many things.
dan friesen
So Alex gets into talking about China and the Olympics.
Not really the Olympics.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Sort of the Olympics.
jordan holmes
Well, thereabouts.
dan friesen
There was someone who was at the Olympics who was trying to do a live remote shot.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
And the Chinese authorities got in the way.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh, censorship.
alex jones
Just a few days ago on Thursday, Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House, got up on TV and said, do not protest, do not speak out, do not criticize anything when you're in China or you'll get disappeared like this Dutch reporter.
TV viewers can see this.
The video is posted up on Infowars.com.
Dutch reporter hauled off by CCP officials during Olympics live report because they didn't like what he had to say.
You see the red armband of the fought police that he was taken away to a police facility reportedly will be deported if he's lucky.
They disappear him.
dan friesen
So, to be clear, the way that the Chinese police shut down this Dutch reporter's live shot at the Olympics is kind of chilling.
It's not acceptable, really.
That said, Alex is a bit out of line, saying that the guy was disappeared.
When someone is disappeared, they disappear.
That's what the word means.
jordan holmes
Tends to.
dan friesen
Yeah, and in this case, the reporter wasn't even dragged off to a facility to be deported, like Alex is claiming.
He was accosted by the police, but no one was hurt, and then, like a minute later, he was able to reset and start broadcasting again.
So Alex is just making up all this shit.
There's a lot of issues with press freedom in China, and it's a scary incident, but Alex is literally making things up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not true what happened.
jordan holmes
Which, again, you do not need to do with China.
dan friesen
Well...
jordan holmes
If you would like an example of someone being censored or disappeared, it's not hard to find one.
You don't need to make it up.
dan friesen
Right, but it would require you to do a little bit of work.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
It would require you to read something, maybe care, whereas the alternative is you can watch a video that you saw on Twitter and then make up a story about it.
jordan holmes
Oh man, that sounds so much easier.
dan friesen
Yeah, it is.
It's a lot easier.
jordan holmes
I'd rather do that.
I'll do that one.
dan friesen
So as for Pelosi, she said, quote, I would say to our athletes, you're there to compete.
Do not risk incurring the anger of the Chinese government because they are ruthless.
Honestly, if Alex were the Speaker of the House, I imagine his statement would be like something similar, but it'd be way more sensational and angry.
Anyway, the White House came out and said that they disagree with Pelosi and they support any athletes that feel the need to protest, which is confusing because I listen to Alex Jones and I know that these people like Pelosi and Biden and Jen Psaki, they're all one big globalist blob working towards the same goal, so it doesn't compute how they have disagreements like this about a geopolitical stance.
Yeah, weird.
jordan holmes
All of them can't possibly be true.
Somewhat stupid.
As well.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's probably bad if you're the Speaker of the House to just be like, shut up!
The government will fucking kill you!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That might be a little bit aggressive.
dan friesen
It's certainly un-tactful.
unidentified
It's a little un-tactful!
dan friesen
I would, if I were her, maybe express things slightly differently.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like maybe see what Ai Weiwei has to think about.
You know, he was there for the last time China hosted the Olympics and he has bad thoughts about it.
I'll tell you that right now.
Didn't go well for him.
dan friesen
And then the White House could express things better than like, smoke them if you got them.
What is anyone doing?
jordan holmes
Why doesn't anyone...
I thought when we voted for Democrats, the idea was we would get adults.
Now we just have older idiots.
dan friesen
They're a little bit more adult.
jordan holmes
Well, they don't swear as much, I guess.
dan friesen
Well, that takes some self-control, which comes with age.
jordan holmes
I suppose.
dan friesen
So, look.
This isn't weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex decides...
I don't know exactly why.
But he decides that he needs to lay out what the world powers are.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
That's a bad idea for him.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a little strange.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I found this to be really dumb.
jordan holmes
All right, let's hear it.
alex jones
Communist China is a competing tyranny to the globalists that have hijacked America.
And they're a competing power structure to the European Union and the Russians.
Those are the major power structures that are governmental.
There's the United States and the Anglo-American corporate combine.
That's what they call themselves.
There is the EU that's partially outlawed with that.
There is the Communist Chinese and there is the Russians.
Now above that is the Davos Group and the UN and the multinational corporations that form the New World Order.
And they are in full control of the Anglo-American establishment military arm.
That is the UK and the US and the Commonwealth nations.
And so that's why you see the U.S. as a quasi-commonwealth nation now.
On every channel, they celebrated the Queen's 70th year of reign today and how magnificent it is and how wondrous.
That didn't start until the 20s when British intelligence began infiltrating and taking over the U.S. government.
By the way, they've all written books on it.
It's not denied at Ph.D. level classes at Georgetown.
They teach you at Harvard and Georgetown and the Foreign Service that you are in the Queen's service.
dan friesen
So that part at the end there about how this isn't denied at the PhD level, we're all taught to be under the Queen, that's just Alex riffing about things he misremembers or even just made up about Carol Quigley's book Tragedy and Hope.
You can tell because he referenced Georgetown, and that's a dead giveaway.
Also, my dad got his PhD from Harvard, and he claims that they never mentioned being under the Queen.
Never?
Maybe he was in the wrong department, though.
Not once.
jordan holmes
Not once?
That's even more suspicious than if they had said it a couple of times.
dan friesen
Totally.
And when I was a kid, he was a big fan of things like faulty towers and Monty Python.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
And we know how John Cleese turned out.
dan friesen
Yeah, so this might be a cover story.
jordan holmes
This is trouble.
dan friesen
So I want to take a minute.
I noticed you were taking notes, and I appreciate that.
I'm glad, because this power structure is sloppy.
jordan holmes
You can see my notes.
dan friesen
There's some arrows.
Yes.
So there are four...
Superbasic governmental powers, which is the U.S., also known as the Anglo-American establishment, the EU, Russia, and China.
This seems wildly simplistic, considering that it means that there's literally no power structures that matter in South America, Central America, Africa, the Middle East, or Southeast Asia.
That seems nuts.
jordan holmes
Well, they've got their own stuff going on.
dan friesen
Sure.
So then there's the Davos Group and the UN, by which Alex actually means the World Economic Forum and the UN, who make up the New World Order along with some other NGOs Alex doesn't want to specify.
They rule over the four other powers, or three, depending on if you want to pretend that the Anglo-American group and the EU are in cahoots or not.
jordan holmes
They're a little bit in cahoots.
If I understand correctly, he said that they were a little bit aligned.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Sort of.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Apparently, the top level has full control over the Anglo-Americans and the EU.
But not China and Russia, which is why we have articles online about the Queen.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I really don't know what to say about this other than to say that I think this is stupid, and it serves as an attempt to oversimplify the incredibly complex picture of geopolitical interaction.
Most of the world isn't even active in Alex's conception of things, which is weird, and there are a ton of examples of world events that would seem to call this whole thing into question.
jordan holmes
Oh, like what?
dan friesen
Get one!
Brexit.
Like, the EU...
jordan holmes
Alright, well, that's fair.
dan friesen
The UK was in the EU, so that means it was part of the Anglo-American group and the EU group, but then it wanted to leave the EU, which most of the EU and the US were not in favor of, which doesn't make any sense if Alex's grand portrait actually reflected reality.
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
No, the UK is now the EU patriots, like how the patriots in the United States are the patriots of the United...
Okay.
Alright.
UK is the Tennessee of the EU, I guess is what I'm saying.
dan friesen
I don't know how that tracks.
But I think what you see here is Alex giving a really shallow assessment of world relations, based mostly on words he remembers from a book written in the 70s that he didn't actually read, but instead just understands through misrepresentations of that book that were published by W. Cleon Skousen.
Alex kind of realizes that there isn't much for him to say, so he just kind of retreats to that Queen impression and rambling about how they teach you at the high levels of Ivy League education that were secretly under the British monarchy.
It's silly.
So tell me more about these lines that you have drawn here.
jordan holmes
So what I was trying to figure out is who's on whose side slash who's under and over whom.
So the UN and such was over, I thought, three.
I thought they also encountered...
China underneath their control.
dan friesen
Well, duh.
Yeah, they did.
All of it is under the UN.
jordan holmes
Russia is not under...
Russia's fighting against the tyranny, right?
dan friesen
Russia's a member of the UN.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but it's fighting against the tyranny of the UN.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
But it's not underneath the globalists.
Like, that's what I'm trying to...
unidentified
No, no.
jordan holmes
There are four major powers.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
All right, not all four of them are under the evil...
dan friesen
Yes, they are.
jordan holmes
No!
They can't be!
dan friesen
Well, unfortunately, they are.
Which also doesn't make sense.
jordan holmes
That doesn't make any sense!
dan friesen
No.
So the UN and the World Economic Forum and these non-governmental organizations, they're on top of everything.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
Yes, I've just called them globalists.
dan friesen
Yes, because that's what it means.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
They're on top of everything.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Everything is underneath that.
Okay.
Total control over the Anglo-American and EU groups.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Less control over China and Russia, which calls into question if they're actually above them or not.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
But who are the two tyrannies?
The two tyrannies are China and the globalists, but China's underneath the globalists on top of them?
dan friesen
Yes, but they're also a competing system of tyrannies.
jordan holmes
You know, sometimes words can just be fun, you know?
dan friesen
They can just be whatever you want them to be.
I think I kind of get what Alex wants to say here, or what he's trying to say.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But I don't think it makes any sense.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He's saying that the globalists are in charge of everything, and, you know, the UK, the EU, the United States, they're all, like...
In on it.
And they're cool with it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Whereas China was cool with it, but now they're fighting against it.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then Russia is always...
jordan holmes
Always been for the little guy.
dan friesen
Right.
Right.
So, yeah, they're like the defense against the overarching...
unidentified
Sure, why not?
jordan holmes
Let's throw that in there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
It's a little dumb.
So, Alex gets into...
Man, there's just more geopolitical conversation.
It's just stupid.
alex jones
China was set up by the New World Order.
China was set up by this entire system, and now what did Xi Jinping start doing in the last five years?
He said, no, I'm going to have a big military too, not just control the world's raw materials and resources.
That's the deal they've made.
China will do all the manufacturing, control the world that way, but the West will have the military.
China, of course, double-crossed, didn't follow that, and is now trying to take over the United States with their spies and operatives.
jordan holmes
That's a big double-cross.
alex jones
There weren't any Chinese spies.
It's like panicking, saying, oh my God, they're everywhere.
They're taking over.
Good Lord, help us.
Because they were so busy trying to crush America and take our guns and dumb us down and cut our sons' penises off, literally, as their sacrament of Satanism, that now the Chi-Coms have double-crossed them and own Hollywood and everything else.
And are rolling up the Democrats as spies.
So suddenly all these Chi-Com agents are suddenly saying China's a threat, but only because they're in trouble.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
So that's where all this is going.
dan friesen
Ah, I see.
So, in 2018, the Chinese military had about 2.7 million members.
In 1995, they had 4.1 million enlisted, so I honestly have no idea what Alex is talking about here.
In contrast, the U.S. has about 1.3 million active personnel, but those numbers aren't really the most important thing, necessarily, in terms of building up the army.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
In terms of spending, even though China has boosted its defense budget in recent years, they're still only spending about a third of what we do.
While it is true that the gross number of dollars that China is spending on defense has gone up steadily in the past 20 to 25 years, not the last five years, the percent of their GDP that's being spent on defense has actually gone down.
In 1990, they were spending approximately 2.5% of GDP on it, compared to 1.8% in 2019.
So relatively, their spending is going down.
And it's not a phenomenon that's been going on over the last five years.
It's been a consistent thing for a while.
jordan holmes
I like the idea that it's impossible for us to really keep in perspective that America spends 40 fucking percent of its budget on the military for no reason other than money for them.
Really.
It's corrupt.
But then they're like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, you can't increase your military spending from $5 to $12.
I can't handle that shit.
dan friesen
Well, we gotta keep up then.
We gotta bump ours up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I guess we'll spend $10.
Trillion dollars.
How about that?
You shouldn't have spent 12. Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex basically has this conspiracy theory that there was a deal struck, that the United States would have the military might for the New World Order, China would have control over raw materials and manufacturing, and that the city of London would be the center of banking.
jordan holmes
Yeah, did Eisenhower strike that one?
dan friesen
Yeah, with the aliens.
jordan holmes
I think so.
dan friesen
No word yet on what any of the rest of the world does, but I'm sure it's in the fine print of this conspiracy contract Alex is imagining everyone's side.
Honestly, I don't know what to say to something like this other than it's dumb and a bizarre oversimplification of world events and history.
I've never heard Alex actually back this up, this claim, with anything meaningful, but once he did say that it was like that movie Rollerball, so I guess he must be onto something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does make sense.
Which one?
James Caan or...?
dan friesen
The original, yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
dan friesen
This is just a way for Alex to explain away how Soros has been critical of China lately and called Xi a threat to open societies in the world.
Alex has spent years yelling about how Soros is one of the heads of the globalists who are in league with Islam and China to take out the noble American whites.
So now that Soros is making some high profile comments that are critical to China's leadership, he needs to have a story to allow his audience to take in that news without questioning Alex's previous narratives.
The problem is, though, that you can find instances of Soros criticizing China in the past, particularly in the not-too-distant past.
In 2019, he said of the U.S. and China, quote, The reality is that we're in a Cold War that threatens to turn into a hot one.
In 2020, he said, That won't be easy.
And guess what?
In 2019, he also said, quote, There was a lot of optimism in a lot of Soros' comments prior to around this point, but you have to understand one of the main reasons that things changed.
In earlier times, it looked like China's government was opening up to the world and the progress was being made on that front.
But then, in 2018, Xi abolished term limits and essentially made himself into a dictator.
And this definitely changed how the situation looked to Soros, someone interested in open societies.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, no.
And I think that's what...
You know, people think this a lot, but if you just abolish term limits, you still have to win the election.
dan friesen
You won the last one.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but see, now he has to win the next one.
It's totally fine that he did that, and it is not him declaring that he's a dictator for life.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's basically an alley-oop to the next person who wins.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's wild.
dan friesen
You're the John Stockton of dictators.
jordan holmes
Yes, yes.
dan friesen
So Soros has been pretty clear about this stuff in his comments and speeches in the past, but Alex hides all that information from his audience because it doesn't really fit with the narratives.
Now that this thing about Soros is making some headlines, Alex needs to contextualize it for the audience, and the best way...
jordan holmes
And if you can, remind people, especially your audience, that they are coming for your children's penises.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
They're coming for them.
dan friesen
Get some transphobia in the mix.
jordan holmes
They are just coming for them.
The demons need...
dan friesen
So, one of the things that I found really remarkable about this episode is that there are stretches of things that are just all not true.
Like Alex saying various things, sometimes even in list form, that are just not true.
jordan holmes
Just a long strand of not true things.
dan friesen
This is all fake.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Again, the entire New World Order program is about suppression of information when they make their big...
Biomedical tyranny takeover move that is in Operation Dark Winter, that is in Operation Lockstep, that is in Operation Event 201 and many others, down to the finest details of how they would create the virus, release the virus, and then train us to live in fear, and then forcibly inject us with a gene therapy that erases our immune system.
And then give us a world ID through the vaccine passport via the phones to track and trace everywhere we go and control what we do.
dan friesen
All of that is made up.
None of that is connected in any way to reality.
jordan holmes
I was looking for something pretty hard.
It's really in all those operations?
dan friesen
Nope.
It's not.
jordan holmes
It's in all of them?
dan friesen
Nope.
Nope.
jordan holmes
It's in all of them.
dan friesen
Also, Operation Dark Winter was a real operation.
That was a training exercise that I think was about smallpox many years ago.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
Well, that's obvious.
dan friesen
Operation Lockstep, is it a real operation?
jordan holmes
Real operation.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
Operation Event 201 is an operation.
jordan holmes
Operation Event 201 is obviously an operation.
dan friesen
Role-playing exercise.
jordan holmes
Operation Event 201.
It's a great one.
I love that operation.
dan friesen
So fucking stupid.
So anyway, all of this non-real thing, all of these things, have added up to prove that this is all, this COVID stuff is all shenanigans.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Shenanigans might be putting it lightly for Alex's terms, but thankfully there's a ray of hope in the world.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And I'm going to air some incredible excerpts from a very important event taking place in Germany.
jordan holmes
Event 202?
alex jones
Right now.
Where they are having an international criminal court hearing with top judges, lawyers, scientists, and others, and they have handed down the findings of recommended indictments.
Now, one of the things that the Pentagon, going back to the 1940s when it said it was in the business of freedom, said it's important to do is to first have people's courts.
But with prestigious people.
That's what the Declaration of Independence was.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
Continental Congress.
And then you put the evidence on so the public sees it.
And that day the newspapers should come and write about it.
The public would then debate about it, decide what they wanted to do.
Committees of correspondence grew in to the Continental Congress in July 4th and the rest is history.
You go into the Pentagon's 198 ways.
For civil disobedience and nonviolent resistance, one of the main ones is mock trials and mock juries.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
So that wasn't something that was put out by the Pentagon, the 198 ways of resistance, nonviolent resistance.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It was a list that was written by a guy named Gene Sharp, who was a political scientist and Nobel Prize nominee who wrote on resisting dictatorships.
Weirdly, holding fake trials isn't actually on that list.
Giving out mock awards and holding mock elections, those are on the list, but Alex's claim that holding mock trials is something that is a main entry on this list is just him making shit up to overhype a bunch of idiots in Germany pretending to do court shit.
Right.
unidentified
I'm not sure that mock trials are such an important piece of American legal tradition, and I don't think that it really matches up with the story.
jordan holmes
I mean, Judge Judy, Judge Joe Brown, uh...
These are all mock trials, really.
dan friesen
Mock trials are, like, good for education purposes, sort of.
jordan holmes
And entertainment purposes, obviously.
dan friesen
I don't think that the Continental Congress was really a mock trial, either.
jordan holmes
But it was entertaining.
dan friesen
It was the uniting of delegates from the colonies to make actual demands of Britain.
jordan holmes
It wasn't mock at all.
It was 100% very real.
dan friesen
Yeah, these people in Germany are not going to be reaching the same kind of outcome.
Like, actual demands.
They advise, like, indictments and stuff.
Like, yeah, okay.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You guys have fun.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Here's an indictment from Fauci.
unidentified
You're so powerful.
jordan holmes
Oh, you're so powerful.
unidentified
Jackoff motion.
jordan holmes
Oh, good for you.
dan friesen
So this group in Germany has called itself the People's Court of Public Opinion, and they're not, as Alex is claiming, top judges, lawyers, and scientists.
It's conspiracy lunatics presenting their conspiracy nonsense in front of little mics while wearing suits, so it looks more official than if the same things are just being yelled by Alex.
Right.
For instance, the legal representative for the United States is a woman named Deanna Sachs.
On January 24th, Deanna spoke about her involvement in this trial in an interview with Jim Fetzer, the guy who wrote the book No One Died at Sandy Hook, who Alex is desperate not to be associated with.
The rest of her Twitter feed is mostly just anti-vax blog posts and retweets of Robert Kennedy Jr.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
The other rep from the United States is Nancy Anna Garner, who was almost sanctioned recently by the courts in Albuquerque after she wrote the judge a letter that was quote, truly shocking.
unidentified
laughing From an article.
dan friesen
From an article about the incident.
Quote, in part of the letter, she called masks a face diaper, and then went on and compared mandate enforcement to Nazi Germany, called Governor Michelle Lugin Grisham a quote, phony, and said vaccines are experimental gene therapy.
This was in a case where she was representing a restaurant that was trying to get damages against the city for needing to be shut down during COVID, and I guess she thought that letter was going to be useful for the case somehow.
jordan holmes
Yeah, she had her Mr. Smith goes to Washington moment.
dan friesen
So when asked to apologize, she said, quote, I just wanted to show them, you want to play insane?
I could play insane too.
jordan holmes
That is said by people who are never playing.
dan friesen
So I wanted it to be shocking.
And yes, I liberally used a couple of swear words.
As the judge said, I think I insulted every branch of government.
She asked that I withdraw it, and I did withdraw it, but I meant every word of it.
Prestigious lawyer.
jordan holmes
That I like.
That I like.
I mean, there are many lawyers that I've liked, but...
dan friesen
Pretty solid stuff.
jordan holmes
Can't argue with that one.
dan friesen
I do like to, like, just imagining what...
Goal is served by this letter being said?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Just feeling good.
I mean, that's prestigious.
I would take that as prestigious.
dan friesen
I feel like this is probably, like, malpractice on the part, like, if her client didn't want her to do this, I feel like they might be able to sue her now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm gonna throw this out there.
I think Bull would kick her out of the people's night court.
dan friesen
So this trial is a meaningless exercise of repeating the same old conspiracy anti-vax talking points in order to dangle red meat.
Out in front of people like Alex, who will get really excited and sell it to his audiences if this is the move that's finally going to bring about a worldwide recognition that you, listener, you have been right about being anti-vax all this time.
All this time, everyone said that you were an asshole and prolonged the pandemic, but no, these absolute weirdos in Germany are pretending to have a court hearing and they're going to vindicate everything you've ever done.
So there's nothing meaningful about this at all.
It's basically just the international version of Jacob Wall's front porch publicity stunts.
Or, you know what I was thinking, too, is a lot of people in Alex's orbit do do this stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like Reverend Manning up in New York, he held that weird mock trial of Obama.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Well, I mean, you know, the Pope dug up another Pope and held a mock trial, man.
This goes way back.
dan friesen
But that wasn't recently.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's true.
Benedict did not dig up another Pope.
That's true.
dan friesen
I feel like these folks...
Really value the attention gathering that having a mock trial does, because also you give the appearance of it having any kind of legal meaning, and then the people who take in your content will understand it that way, too, and disseminate it.
Push it further.
It's just a dumb publicity game.
jordan holmes
I just think of all the out-of-work actors who would give anything to go to Germany and put on a play for a couple of weeks, you know?
Sure.
There's no difference.
dan friesen
Well, first, you need a law degree, and then you need to write a judge a weird letter.
jordan holmes
You don't need a law degree for that letter, I'll tell you that right now.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
I could probably pull that one out.
dan friesen
So look, we got these weirdos in Germany.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We got Rand Paul saying that if the Republicans take over in the Congress...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're going after Fauci.
jordan holmes
All hell is going to break loose.
dan friesen
But that's not all.
alex jones
Paul promises investigation of Fauci.
Republicans take a sentence.
You're like, well, promises, promises.
Oh, but guess what?
Congress has now started an investigation into Fauci and gain of function.
So that's very, very important.
And as this happens, because you can see all these articles, I go through them, I mix them up.
Guys, I had the article in my stack where Congress announces, and the committee announces, even though Democrats are in control, an investigation of the Wuhan virus origin and Fauci gain-of-function.
That was the biggest story today.
And for some reason, I just got it mixed into my stack and cannot find it.
But it was here.
dan friesen
Top story.
Can't find it.
jordan holmes
Maybe you should have smaller stacks.
dan friesen
That could help.
Or have a different workflow.
The paper in front of you is clearly not effective.
jordan holmes
It's not going to help.
dan friesen
So this is just a story about the Republicans in the Oversight and Reform Committee, James Comer, Steve Scalise, and Jim Jordan, calling in seven scientists to testify who they believe were pressured by people like Fauci to claim that the virus wasn't likely to have come from the lab in Wuhan.
The issue they have is that some of them, like the UK's Jeremy Farrar, had made statements that he was 50-50 on the lab leak versus natural origin prior to a conference call on February 2020 where Fauci was involved.
He was a part of that conference call.
Right.
unidentified
After that point, he was less convinced by the lab leak theory.
dan friesen
This naturally proves that Fauci put the squeeze on him and got him involved in a cover-up as opposed to the possibility that a bunch of information and science was discussed in the call, which made for our changes assessment toward viewing the lab leak theory as less likely.
Anyway, this is just another grandstanding publicity stunt by these folks in the GOP who are essentially creating names and bank accounts for themselves by attacking public health officials.
If there's some evidence that there's actually a cover-up, then great.
Come out with it.
But I've seen this game played so many times already, and I know this is going to be a zero, and it's just going to be like Rand Paul yelling at Fauci.
Yeah.
unidentified
Like it's just going to be that again.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, it's like three...
I mean, it's like three cavemen trying to ask aliens how to fly.
But they're smart enough to know that they can get millions of dollars for it.
dan friesen
Man, I've read Sitchin.
jordan holmes
I know what you're talking about.
It's just like you have no context for anything that they could try and explain to you, and you don't care.
dan friesen
Yeah, and the problem, too, is the hostility of the questioning will disallow any kind of actual...
Because I'm sure that a lot of times these scientists would be willing to explain things.
jordan holmes
They would be happy to explain them.
dan friesen
But they're being treated as hostile witnesses and badgered.
jordan holmes
They're talking to a bunch of cavemen with clubs who are mad about the bright lights in the sky.
dan friesen
It's counterproductive.
jordan holmes
It's not good.
dan friesen
Speaking of counterproductive, Roger Stone is back.
jordan holmes
Great.
Got to do all four hours.
dan friesen
Well, Roger will be on later, but Alex has an announcement of something that breaking news with Roger.
alex jones
Roger Stone's joining us in the next hour, and I should have hyped this better.
I just get so much in my mind going on because he's been on fire lately.
He's always informative, and he has been heavily involved with the massive canvassing in Florida and other states that I saw being covered on OAN Friday, but he's been involved in it.
And they have found 30-40% of the voters are fake.
That's a lot.
And they found that, of course, it's for the Democrats.
jordan holmes
Huge number.
alex jones
Almost none of it is skewed towards Republicans.
There is some of that, but 90-plus percent is skewed towards Democrats.
So they show up at people's houses that voted in the last election, and they go, no, we've lived here five years.
And that person never lived here.
I bought this house from A or Z. In some of the cases, they go, yeah, that guy moved out six months ago.
But in large portions of the cases, it's totally fake.
But the people are voting.
unidentified
Woo!
dan friesen
Alex and Roger are going into reruns.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
This is a story Roger tried to push last October, but it went nowhere, so I guess he's trying to breathe some new life into it.
Try and push donations or something.
Maybe he needs money in order to make sure that this canvassing gets into the right hand.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, I'm sure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
And it's crazy that it's all on the Democrats.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
30 to 40 percent?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
I swear, if you really start getting into what Alex thinks, like...
If you believe everything Alex says, you have to think there's like 50 Democrats in the United States.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know, like total.
dan friesen
I think that's what he wants his...
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's what he wants them to think.
We're the massive majority.
dan friesen
Well, you kind of also have to think about the dynamics of a lot of people that are listening to his show.
Like, I think a lot of his stalwart audience are people who are in more disconnected areas.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Less urban areas.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
There are plus 26 districts, if you will.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah.
And I think semi-rural.
And I think that one of the things that is advantageous about that for Alex...
Is that he's able to create portraits that play on the fears and prejudices that people have of urban areas who don't live in them.
And so I think that you can paint this picture of crime everywhere.
Like on our last episode about how downtown Austin isn't safe for anybody to wander through or whatever.
You're able to sell that to an audience that has no involvement in living in a city or a big city.
And I think the same thing is true of presenting the demographics of Democrats.
It is believable if you live in an area where everyone around you is Republican, you can think, oh yeah, it is probably true that there's only 50 Democrats.
And I think even that bias does exist on the other side, too, with some people who are so cloistered and insulated and just hanging out with and experiencing Democrats that they can think that it's impossible that anybody would be on the right.
But I think that Alex plays into that.
It serves his purposes very well.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, it does.
It is always smart to, if you are dealing with people who don't expose themselves to other things frequently, it is a lot easier to tell them that other things you should not expose yourself to.
dan friesen
Shouldn't expose yourself to them, and let me tell you about them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and let me tell you why you shouldn't, because they're evil, and they'll get you killed, and they're stealing your penises!
dan friesen
Oh, no.
So, Alex is going to introduce Roger here, but first...
You need some money.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
They have gone to grand jury after grand jury, and I don't say this like thumb in my nose.
Like, ha-ha, you've gone to a bunch of grand juries to indict me, and they haven't.
I don't know.
I'm not somebody that dances by graveyards.
No, I'm not feeling slick and feeling like, oh, no, I'm like, my God, we got a criminal government here.
And my lawyers are like, don't tell people what's been going on.
Let's just say this.
I tell folks you better pray for us.
You might just, you know, see me in jail or dead with these people coming after us as bad.
Same with Roger.
This isn't a game.
They're trying to start war with Russia right now.
So listen, I don't want to sit there and prove to you how serious this is by us going off the air in six months because of finances.
I don't want to have to prove to you how serious this is by us losing the country or having World War III with Russia.
I want to be peaceful, Democrat, Republican, all of us.
This is the time.
To come together and say no to the multinational corporations that have launched this new world order.
And they're playing us all against each other.
Because I don't care if you're a Republican, a Democrat, gay, straight, live in Canada, live in Mexico.
It doesn't matter.
The new world order, the Great Reset, is not good for you.
You can wear the mask, go along with the shots, pretend you're part of the power structure, but you're only engaged in the Stockholm Syndrome.
So usually I ask for support at the end of an interview with Roger and myself, but I'm just going to up front say this.
The way our finances work and with supply chains broken down, now 25 weeks to get products, I'm having to put the money in not six weeks before I get the product to have it manufactured, half the money.
I'm having to put it out 20 plus weeks.
So we got stuff coming in a few weeks that I paid for 20 weeks ago.
And then now I'm having to, okay, well, let's put it out 10 weeks and put it out 20 weeks.
Because of that, we don't have the cash flow to do that to even be able to sell funds.
So I need everybody now to do things like get a Reset Wars membership and watch the course.
unidentified
Ah.
dan friesen
Well, that would be good for him because Reset Wars wouldn't have any kind of shipping issues or any kind of supply chain.
That would just be pure profit.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
For him, so that would be good.
Also, I don't think it makes sense that things that he ordered 20 weeks ago are now coming in if this is a new thing that supply chains are now that he needs to put 20 weeks in the future.
jordan holmes
It should be things that he ordered six weeks ago.
You can't judge him ex post facto, Dad.
I know that from my not-a-law degree.
dan friesen
Also, I mean, if you're out of supplies and you need to order things that'll come in in six months, you're fucked.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
That is absolutely not a real depiction of his situation.
That's nonsense.
jordan holmes
Go to a bank and tell them that's your situation and that you need an extension on your loans and see how they treat that.
They'll be like, but I guess you're foreclosed upon now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so Alex wants to drive people to Reset Wars, I guess.
Which again is because it's just money.
jordan holmes
No overhead.
dan friesen
But I think people might have noticed that I have maybe become a little bit less concerned with Reset Wars and maybe...
The drive to cover it has been less.
And one of the reasons for that, I actually couldn't talk about until after the deposition came out.
Because there was a question about it in the deposition, and here's what Alex said about Reset Wars.
alex jones
Reset Wars is somebody else's company.
unidentified
Okay, what is Reset Wars?
Is that affiliated to Free Speech Systems in any way, or you?
alex jones
No, that is somebody else's company.
That is for promotions.
dan friesen
So it's not, like, it's very clear that Alex isn't really, he just gets a cut.
Goddamn.
The Reset Wars as a company isn't even Info Wars.
It's not Alex.
It's not Free Speech Systems.
It's Jake Doocy and his hypnotism bullshit.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And he got Alex to be the front man for these videos for a fee.
And so the part about it where Alex is like, this is my most important work I've ever done.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
After you kind of get the sense of like he's willing to just like, that's somebody else's shit.
Yeah.
It took a little bit of the...
jordan holmes
Yeah, when you see Brad Pitt hawking some product in an old Japanese ad, and you're like, that's clearly you just...
You know what?
You don't even care.
You're just doing a commercial for the cash.
That's great.
Good for you.
Whatever.
Fuck off.
That's because he's not...
Built a career out of seeming like he gave a shit about the news and what he was talking about.
So if he were to fucking...
I can't believe that you would seriously say out loud on your show, this is the most important work I've ever done, when you are not even close to thinking that it's even a little bit of work that you tried.
dan friesen
Or even something you're willing to take any direct ownership of.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
It's not really even your project.
It's someone else's company.
jordan holmes
Unreal.
dan friesen
That's for promotions.
Unreal!
Yeah, it's a little bit...
It illustrates disingenuousness on his part, but think about it.
We know people, comedians, who have done corporate gig kind of things where maybe they do a video for a corporate internal use.
Or I used to work at that movie theater in Columbia, and Roger Lodge, the host of the match game.
No, not the match game.
Some dating show that I used to watch.
Was it Shipmates?
No.
jordan holmes
No, that was Chris Hardwick.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Shit.
jordan holmes
You'll get that.
dan friesen
Eliminate.
No.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
Something like that.
jordan holmes
Love Boat.
dan friesen
Roger Lodge hosted the training video for it.
jordan holmes
That's very funny.
dan friesen
And so people do stuff like that.
These little corporate gigs.
jordan holmes
So Roger Lodge was Troy McClure, essentially.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But people do that.
And what Alex has done is that.
This is a corporate gig for him.
He's the face of the Reset Wars material that is from Jake Doocy.
And it's just pathetic for Alex to be like, this is the most important work I've ever done.
Can you imagine Roger Lodge?
Well, I don't know what else he's done in his career, but him being like, I'm so proud of this Goodrich Theater's promotional video, the internal training.
It's the best work I've ever done.
It's pathetic.
So that makes me slightly less interested in rushing to cover it.
But we're still going to get to it eventually.
jordan holmes
We'll get there eventually.
That's so sad.
It's so craven and awful for him.
dan friesen
And it's abusive to me.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Because I want to cover his most important work.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I don't want to cover him doing a gig.
jordan holmes
Once again, you have had that football pulled out from beneath your feet.
And again, you go flying 360 degrees in the air.
dan friesen
I'm going to go fuck around and complain to Peppermint Patty.
jordan holmes
I think it's a good idea.
dan friesen
Somebody has to.
alex jones
So...
dan friesen
Look, Roger's got a plug, too.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
jordan holmes
Yes, of course.
dan friesen
Alex has some plugs.
Roger's got some plugs.
This plug is wild.
roger stone
You can go to stonedefensefund.com stonedefensefund.com Unfortunately, I do still need the help of Patriots and the Infra Warrior.
Community.
alex jones
Well, that's right, Roger.
I mean, I know you're down to one half-broken car, and I don't want to embarrass you, but that's what's going on.
Let's expand on this, because we're not bitching, folks.
You've got to keep the Warriors in the fight.
You forgot you have the Capitol Police suing you for running January 6th.
I mean, you had nothing to do with it.
I mean, that's just...
People, you're like, well, just don't...
Folks, they come at you with...
Georgetown University and the CIA are suing me, okay?
They admittedly run the law clinic, the Virginia lawsuit against us.
This is not a freaking game.
And we understand it's all rigged.
We've just got to fight through the whole process, or they'd shut us down right now.
They would send in...
The local constables and literally take the equipment and turn our lights off.
Okay, I have to fight right through the crooked thing, right through the rigged courts, right through, battle them for years in the courts, and all of this just to stay on the air.
We know it's all rigged, but while they're biting us and attacking us and clawing at us like gremlins, we just stay in the fight with our guns, blasting at the New World Order.
Sorry, Roger, I'm ranting.
roger stone
That's perfectly right.
dan friesen
Sorry, Roger.
I interrupted the plug for your League of Defense Fund by complaining about my own righteous battle against all the fucking constables.
The CIA.
The CIA is suing him.
alex jones
Oi, what's all this said?
dan friesen
It's ridiculous.
So Roger does end up plugging some more, though.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex does give him a little more time.
jordan holmes
He's got a half-broken car?
dan friesen
I don't know what that means.
jordan holmes
I think I read...
I think this is...
I think that he's talking about the fact that I think...
I read somewhere that Roger Stone can't afford to fix his car.
dan friesen
Is it a half a car that's broken, or is it a car that's halfway broken?
jordan holmes
I think it's a car that's halfway broken.
It works sometimes.
dan friesen
Who cares?
jordan holmes
I mean, beyond Roger.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Every car that I've ever had has been half broken.
jordan holmes
Right, but he can't afford to fix it is what they care about.
unidentified
I couldn't either.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
That's fine, but that's what Alex is talking about with the half broken car.
dan friesen
Right.
I never felt...
I mean, let's go back to when I worked at that movie theater where Roger Lodge did the training video.
I never felt entitled that someone else should...
I don't know why Roger Stone, that's something that's relevant to his legal defense.
jordan holmes
I think because he would like everyone else to pay for the rest of his life.
dan friesen
Yeah, I would think so.
The way he goes about it, too, Roger, trying to get everyone to pay for all his shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Little tacky.
Little tacky.
jordan holmes
Let's hear it.
dan friesen
Quite tacky.
alex jones
I just wanted to up front let listeners know that they don't normally hear me at the start of the interview call for support, but it's that damn serious.
We aren't going to back down.
We aren't going to give up, but we could give out, Roger.
So how do people support you again?
How do they get a Roger Stone did-nothing-wrong shirt?
How do they get your books?
How do they find Roger Stone paraphernalia, as the left calls it?
roger stone
Again, you can go to StoneColdTruth.com, go to the shop.
StoneColdTruth.com, go to the shop.
You can get your iconic.
Roger Stone did nothing wrong t-shirt.
Iconic.
Or you can get a signed presidential pardon.
Or you can get one of my famous Roger Stone's paperweights.
unidentified
Sorry, what?
roger stone
Or, if you just want to help me in the legal battle and I need the help, you can go to stonedefensefund.com.
dan friesen
This shop is nuts.
I mean, the shirt, I understand.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Roger Stone's paperweight.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
A little dumb.
jordan holmes
No, that's great.
Roger Stones, come on.
You can't not.
dan friesen
It's a little uncle joke, kind of.
You know, it's a little bit on that scale of, come on, man.
jordan holmes
Come on, buddy.
dan friesen
But selling signed pardons?
jordan holmes
That is amazing.
dan friesen
That's brazen.
jordan holmes
That is absolutely one of the more waggle your dick at the law.
I mean, goddamn.
Signed?
Copies of his presidential pardon.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Goddamn.
dan friesen
I'm going to have to look this up.
I didn't look in advance.
jordan holmes
How much does it cost for a signed copy of the presidential pardon of Roger Stone for crimes that he 100% committed?
dan friesen
Well, okay, so for $10, you can get a small autographed stone.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
For 20 bucks, you can get an engraved, it appears, signature on a larger stump.
For...
jordan holmes
Bring him the stone of success!
dan friesen
For $25, you can get a shirt that has a syringe with a line through it.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
That says, what happened to my body, my choice, anti-vax shirt Roger Stone is selling.
jordan holmes
Too long.
dan friesen
Roger Stone still did nothing wrong with a fedora over it.
That hat, $25 also.
jordan holmes
That's great.
I would like that.
dan friesen
Roger Stone still did nothing wrong with a mug coming in at $15.
jordan holmes
Whoa!
That's an expensive mug.
dan friesen
Probably too much.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You can get a picture of Roger Stone getting arrested.
Seriously.
They have a Roger Stone arrest photo for sale.
20 bucks.
20 bucks.
jordan holmes
This is why this motherfucker can get away with this shit is because that is such a great dickwag.
I can't.
I mean, it's unimpeachable.
dan friesen
So here's the description of the picture.
A riveting piece of history and a huge mistake for special counsel Robert Mueller.
The stunning pre-dawn raid of Roger Stone's home to arrest him for politically motivated, fabricated, first-time non-violent crime shocked the nation and mobilized the MAGA base in America to support Roger Stone and his epic struggle for justice.
CNN just happened to be there to live broadcast the entire circus.
So you can get a photo of that signed by Roger for 20 bucks.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Where would you hang that up, Dan?
dan friesen
In the fireplace.
No, I don't know.
I mean, like, the picture is nuts, too, because, like, you know, he's talking about, like, how, oh, they came and they raided me.
He's wearing a shirt that says Roger Stone did nothing wrong.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Like, he knew this was happening.
jordan holmes
He's a fucking dick.
Goddamn, what an asshole.
dan friesen
So we got the personally hand-signed presidential pardon.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
How much do you think it costs?
jordan holmes
I'm going to have to go.
He's going for broke on that one.
I bet he's charging $100.
dan friesen
So, on December 23rd, 2020, President Donald J. Trump granted an unconditional presidential pardon, an act of both mercy and justice, capital J, justice, capital J, as the president determined that Stone had been framed by Robert Mueller's now discredited political witch hunt and had been railroaded in a corruption trial in Washington, D.C. Yeah.
$20.
jordan holmes
$20?
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Oh, man, he's really blowing that one.
I feel like you need to charge a shit ton for that.
That's prestige pricing, you know?
You've got your Goldilocks items.
You've got your shirt for $20.
You've got your expensive items.
You've got your mug for $15.
And then you've got to go for broke with something.
dan friesen
Well, I'm going to tell you this right now.
The supply is unlimited.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would believe so.
dan friesen
And demand is low.
So I don't think he could get away with it.
No one wants it.
jordan holmes
It's not about getting away.
It's not about selling them.
It's about the flagship product, Dan.
No, no, no, no.
unidentified
He is about selling it because he wants money.
dan friesen
Clearly.
He has a half-broken car.
Whatever that means.
jordan holmes
What kind of conversation do you...
If you buy one of those, you expect somebody to be like, hey, what's that?
And then you say...
That's my signed copy of Roger Stone's presidential pardon.
dan friesen
It would be so funny if you go into your doctor's office and they have their diploma in the Roger Stone's side pardon just as a prank.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, that would be very funny.
That would be very funny.
dan friesen
That would either be the best doctor ever or you'd have to run.
jordan holmes
Or the nightmare.
Yeah, the worst, yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, Roger Stone's pardon.
I would have loved to be there for the conversation of deciding to do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that's just amazing.
dan friesen
That's the kind of thing that you come up with when you're sitting around high with your buddies.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
That kind of an idea.
jordan holmes
No, that's the idea.
So, Roger Stone's, same session.
dan friesen
Love it.
jordan holmes
Five seconds.
Five, ten seconds, they're like, Roger Stone, Roger Stone's, great.
Next 45 minutes is fucking terrible ideas.
What about Stone's Rogers?
No, that's stupid!
And then finally we get to, oh my god, I've got...
The perfect idea.
dan friesen
Yeah, and see, I think a normal person would respond to someone suggesting they should sell autographed pardons.
They'd be like, I don't know.
I think that would look bad.
jordan holmes
Have you ever heard of hubris?
dan friesen
Let's do it.
jordan holmes
Let's do this, man.
This is you to a T. This is a bespoke product that only Roger Stone could sell.
dan friesen
That I'm certain is not flying off the shelves.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So Alex gets to talking to Roger about the situation in Russia, and this is really, really strange.
alex jones
And he's got a lot to say.
From his research and his contacts and his working for multiple administrations about what he really thinks is happening with this Russia crisis.
We saw Bloomberg on Friday announce that Russia had attacked and later say, sorry, fake headline.
We've seen the State Department and CIA say, just trust us.
We know they're going to attack themselves.
And we say, give us proof.
And they said, that is the proof.
dan friesen
We've already gone over the Bloomberg story, but I really think that the way Alex is talking about the claims that Biden officials made that Russia was going to carry out a false flag, the way he's talking about it is very strange.
I'm not going to defend the administration's claims or necessarily how they're presenting them, but the last person who should be attacking this is Alex.
If his complaint is that someone is coming out and predicting a false flag and then the only proof they can provide to back up their claim is trust me, Then this is a situation where Alex is indicting himself far more than anybody in the Biden administration.
Alex's career is one long string of him predicting false flags that never happened based on either no evidence or something like his intuition or maybe a dream he had or some headline he misread.
If I were Alex, I wouldn't take this approach to attacking the Biden official because it has the potential to make any engaged listeners question what evidence Alex ever has to offer with his rampant predictions of false flags.
Anyone who seriously questioned that and had listened to enough of his show would reach the inevitable conclusion that Alex is just regularly making up intense predictions of imminent false flags.
Then when they don't come to pass, he moves on and acts like he never did it.
That's just I think it's dumb to accuse people of baselessly predicting false flags when that's your business now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was kind of expecting, because I heard Biden and all of them say that, and I was like...
Oh, well, great.
We're having a great time.
And I assumed Alex was going to be like, aha, see, this is the false flag.
They're going to do it and then release the video.
So they're just getting you ready for the false flag they're going to commit.
And then they're claiming that the Russians committed that false flag when in fact it was the United States who committed it.
That makes the most sense to me for an Alex thing to say.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Not for him to be like...
Declaring a false flag is a bad idea.
Like, what are you fucking talking about?
dan friesen
Well, and being like, if you predict a false flag, you must show concrete evidence.
That's a standard that he can't live up to.
jordan holmes
No, that's infuriating.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a strange take, but I guess what are you gonna do?
His audience doesn't demand much.
jordan holmes
No, that's true.
There is not a lot of demand.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Roger has some interesting ideas about what Putin wants vis-a-vis Ukraine, and he thinks that it's exactly like the Cuban Missile Crisis.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
roger stone
They would like us to believe that Putin wants to take over all of Ukraine.
And install a puppet government so that he can restore the faded glory of the great Soviet Union.
First of all, he can't even economically afford that.
Secondarily, let us listen to what he is saying over and over and over again.
When he says he doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO, what he is saying is he doesn't want Western missiles on his border.
John F. Kennedy said in 1962 when he said he did not want Russian missiles 90 miles off the shore of the United States.
This is all about that.
And he said it over and over again.
But that gets extrapolated to he wants to take over Ukraine.
I don't believe so.
If Ukraine would merely agree, essentially, not to put missiles on the border of Russia.
This entire thing could be averted.
dan friesen
I think that a thought experiment here might be useful, and that is, can you imagine a situation where Ukraine agreed no missiles on the border, but we're joining NATO?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There'd still be a problem.
jordan holmes
It would be a huge problem.
Yes.
dan friesen
So, Roger, like, interpreting the only problem being missiles with the joining of NATO, that's just not the case.
jordan holmes
No, the problem is the missiles within the mind of someone in NATO.
dan friesen
There's a possibility that Putin doesn't want to take over Ukraine in the sense of actually occupying the country, but just like in the case of Georgia in 2008, this is a situation where he can effectively use military action or the threat thereof to serve as a veto to a state wanting to join NATO.
A part of it may be missile related, but it's also an attempt to keep states in the neighboring region within Russia's sphere of influence and not allowing them to make other strategic partnerships.
Roger's kind of sugarcoating this to make Russia the unimpeachable good party in this, which is Alex's agenda as well.
And again, I don't think this is an indication of any kind of fealty to Russia the way that some people might suspect.
roger stone
Right.
dan friesen
But I think it's just rooted in this hatred of the international order.
Like, if Trump were in office, they'd probably be insisting that he needs to send troops to help Russia fight off NATO.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
It probably would be...
jordan holmes
Almost certainly.
dan friesen
Right, but it would be motivated from the same place of opposition to...
World bodies of cooperation, things that are seen as globalism, as opposed to necessarily supportive Russia.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, if I were pardoned, specifically, for courting Russian influence in our elections, I think I would go...
So hard the other direction when I got out the other side of the pardon, I'd be like, Russia's bad!
dan friesen
You'd be a classic anti-communist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, I would be like, I gotta really ham this one up if I'm gonna continue to say that I still didn't do it.
dan friesen
Now, here's what would be great, is if Roger believed that his pardon meant that he could never be tried again.
jordan holmes
Exactly, yes!
He's like, frankly, I think Putin should take over the United States and should influence our elections.
Ah, double jeopardy.
Ah, you can't catch me!
dan friesen
Yep.
I just think it's a little bit weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex gets into a very weird, consistent theme of his here.
alex jones
You know, we get new crew in here sometimes over the years.
We got the best crew ever.
And people will ask me, they're like, hey, you came in, you were dragging, and then you went in your office for an hour and you came out.
Are you using drugs?
How the hell do you get so excited once you're on air, but you're not when you come in here?
Then they get to know me and learn.
No, I'm excited because the world's exciting and exciting things are going on and they're trying to start nuclear war with Russia and we could all die.
dan friesen
Oh, that's exciting.
Wow.
He seems to have consistently people around him asking if he's on coke.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And that's a little suspicious.
jordan holmes
Here's a common thing that happens.
You, low energy, go into a room by yourself, come out high energy.
If it happened once, eh.
This is a regular occurrence.
dan friesen
I'm just excited that we might die.
jordan holmes
It seems like you might be excited in private without anybody seeing what gets you so excited.
dan friesen
And whether or not this actually is happening to him on a regular basis, he does seem to feel the need to bring it up on air a lot.
And one of the things that I found particularly strange about this is that...
He's not even, like, crazy high energy on this episode.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
This isn't one where he would need to sort of give that caveat.
jordan holmes
I mean, unless he walked in, like, literally asleep.
Just practically sleepwalking, and they're like, there's no way Alex is gonna be able to handle this one.
dan friesen
Or if he did a bunch of blow, and he just wasn't super high energy, but he felt like maybe he was.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
And so he's projecting.
I don't know.
It's very strange, and I would be...
I would be curious why he seems to need to bring this up over and over again.
So, I'm glad you wrote down that diagram earlier about the world powers.
jordan holmes
Is it going to come back?
dan friesen
It's coming back.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, pay attention.
jordan holmes
Are we going to have more?
dan friesen
Alex relists the world powers.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, I feel like we're going to have a...
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Thank God.
I'm seeing it everywhere now.
Being discussed by top scientists and lawyers and major leaders and Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan and all these other people now talking about the Great Reset.
It's the corporate cabals.
It's the other power structure.
There's China.
There's Russia.
There's the United States.
There's the European Union.
There's the Islamicists.
But what's bigger than all that together?
The big corporations manipulating it all above the law.
We never think about being conquered by them.
That's what the Great Reset is.
Go to resetwars.com today.
dan friesen
Really going back to trying to sell that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not been quite as heavily promoted.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That's interesting.
jordan holmes
Now overhead's becoming an issue.
dan friesen
It may be.
And he can't get anything in stock for 25 weeks.
jordan holmes
Apparently.
dan friesen
So yeah, we've added the Islamicists now to the list of powers, which is strange that he forgot it when he was in the middle of his lecture.
jordan holmes
It seems like they are the ones that he hates the most.
dan friesen
It seems like he's just making shit up.
jordan holmes
Kind of adding whatever feels right in the moment.
dan friesen
This is like the Bill Gates is in the Council of Twelve or possibly middle management thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, who knows?
dan friesen
Yeah, this is bullshit.
Also, I would say, if these big corporations are the problem, maybe we should do something about corporations.
Shouldn't this be part of Alex's politics?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
They should be allowed to do this.
dan friesen
But they should not want to.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
That's what it's about!
It's about freedom of choice, Dan!
The freedom to kill people only means that if you don't, you're a better person.
dan friesen
I think that if out-of-control rampaging corporations are really one of the largest issues that we face, and even if Alex recognizes that...
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It seems like some kind of state power is basically necessary in order to reel in those corporations.
Because I don't see what other alternative there is in terms of a communal solution to it.
jordan holmes
I mean, obviously the alternative is to keep people from shoplifting to make sure that the corporations have more money.
dan friesen
I don't feel like that gets us where we need to go.
jordan holmes
Ah, but that's because you're not going to get there.
You're going to be crushed under the boot.
dan friesen
I'm not saying that shoplifting is the answer, but stopping it certainly isn't.
jordan holmes
Well, that's not a problem.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah, see?
dan friesen
Well, I'm convinced.
So, Roger gets to plug in again.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
He needs money.
jordan holmes
He really needs to fix that car, man.
dan friesen
Boy, he needs money.
alex jones
We don't have George Soros paying our bills.
Show.
Again, the best websites, Roger Stone, for folks to be able to support you if they want to keep us in the fight.
roger stone
Stonedefensefund.com.
There it is.
Stonedefensefund.com.
I've still got to fight six completely baseless harassment lawsuits being financed by George Soros or in one case by the Biden Justice Department.
These are civil suits.
Business Insider said last week it was a criminal suit.
No, these are civil suits.
They're baseless.
But if you don't go fight them, they get a judgment against you.
Already lost enough.
Alex, I've got to be honest with you.
I'm just happy to be back on my feet.
Because I got bowled over by the Chinese virus.
And it was ten times worse than I thought it would be.
And yes, I did ultimately make a comeback thanks to ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.
But in the meantime, I started doing my own research.
And your iodine product, X2 and X3, absolutely crucial in terms of rebuilding your immunity.
Now, just in case anybody's wondering, no, I'm not paid a penny to say this.
Not a penny.
dan friesen
Well, I'm sold.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I believe it.
dan friesen
I'm sold on this being genuine.
jordan holmes
Well, listen, I would never believe that...
Roger Stone was lying to me.
unidentified
Never.
jordan holmes
Especially if he says, I'm telling you the truth.
dan friesen
The beacon of truth.
Also, I think that he might be getting paid to say it specifically because he was in the middle of a plug, and then his brain connected it to plugging the iodine.
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
Seems like maybe those are in similar compartments in his brain.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it seems like he's supposed to be there to get everybody money.
dan friesen
Yeah, he can't even...
Do a plug without going into another plug.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
This is ridiculous.
His plug for his legal defense got interrupted with a story about how sick he was so he could plug iodine.
jordan holmes
I'm going to be racist.
I'm going to continue to plug iverbectin and hydrochloroquine for no fucking reason.
dan friesen
Hydrochloroquine.
jordan holmes
Apologies.
And then I'm going to plug one of Alex's products that I definitely am not required to do as part of this appearance.
dan friesen
So, Alex, they're talking a bit about January 6th and how they were all cool.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, and peaceful.
dan friesen
But Alex is a bit defensive about it because people want him to shut up about January 6th.
unidentified
Maybe smart.
alex jones
Jan 6th, you heard my question before the break.
The Democrats are just all in betting everything on this, but the polls, the research, the numbers show their constituents are sick of it.
Republicans don't want to hear about it.
This is just crazy.
roger stone
No, there's no there there.
dan friesen
There's no there there.
They're just tired of hearing about this.
Hey, Alex, Benghazi.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
He keeps things alive quite a while.
jordan holmes
It's crazy.
It is crazy.
It is so crazy.
They could have killed a congressperson.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, they just could have killed one.
dan friesen
More than one.
jordan holmes
On national TV.
dan friesen
Sure.
Live-streamed.
unidentified
And I can't help but think...
jordan holmes
A year later, we would still be in the same place where they're like, that's legitimate political murder, though.
That's totally fine.
They're just good, honest, God-fearing folk.
dan friesen
I honestly don't think so.
jordan holmes
Like, it's crazy.
dan friesen
I think that the line would have been crossed in a much more serious way if a member of Congress had been murdered.
I understand you're shaking your head, and you don't agree.
That's a level of disillusionment and jadedness that I'm not quite at.
jordan holmes
Then I pray for you, sir.
dan friesen
I don't have faith that whatever response would have happened to that hypothetical situation you're talking about, I don't have faith that it would have been necessarily super effective, or maybe the right response, but I think a more serious response would have been taken.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we'll see.
dan friesen
No, we won't.
jordan holmes
Well, the next time they do it, we will.
dan friesen
Well, maybe.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And especially because they have people like Roger running cover for it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's kind of part of the problem here.
dan friesen
Right.
As you see in this next fucking clip.
roger stone
And now there's a new smear against that great American patriot, General Michael Flynn.
It is alleged that there was a draft of a memo that talked about seizing the machines.
A draft.
A draft that was never acted on.
In fact, as I understand it, General Flynn's reaction to the memo was, somebody needs to run this by the lawyers and see if it's even legal.
I mean, if I thought about murdering someone, but then I don't murder them, can I be prosecuted for murder?
Of course not.
Now you're being prosecuted for thought crimes.
Let's be clear.
General Flynn did not recommend martial law.
General Flynn did not recommend the Insurrection Act.
General Flynn did not recommend the seizing.
I think he's...
dan friesen
Recommended those things on Alex's show.
jordan holmes
Literally all of them.
Yes.
Directly.
dan friesen
So we don't even need to talk about any drafted executive orders to condemn Flynn here.
Like, in December 2020, he spoke to Newsmax and he said, quote, he is Trump here.
He could immediately, on his order, seize every single one of these machines around the country on his order.
He could also order within the swing states if he wanted to.
He could take military capabilities and he could place them in those states and basically rerun an election in each of those states.
It's not unprecedented.
These people out here are talking about martial law.
like it's something we've never done.
Yeah.
unidentified
That's what he was saying right after the election.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Flynn's been really clear about how he wanted Trump to respond.
dan friesen
Roger is just lying about this now because it looks really fucking bad that he wasn't just talking shit.
It turns out he was also coordinating with Trump about the possibilities of doing these things.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
So if you think about committing a murder and then you don't commit a murder, not a crime.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
But if you get 75% of the way to committing a murder, that's called attempted murder.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's true.
And if you, I don't know, are concerned.
Inspiring with people to commit a murder, and you take a bunch of steps towards committing that murder, but you never actually follow through.
jordan holmes
You never get quite there.
dan friesen
There's still a charge you can catch for that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, especially if your murder plans indirectly led to the murder of somebody else.
dan friesen
Like, if you hire somebody to kill somebody for you, and they don't do it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You're still in trouble.
jordan holmes
You still did this.
dan friesen
You're still in trouble.
jordan holmes
You did the bad thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So, anyway, we got one last clip here, and it's Alex, again, just rattling off a bunch of things that aren't true.
I would say that almost everything in this clip is not true.
jordan holmes
Let's get it.
alex jones
We have to remember, Pelosi was saying Trump will be removed by maybe even the Insurrection Act.
She said we'll have martial law.
Even if he wins the election, we're not going to accept it.
We're going to hold our own inauguration.
They said that we'd have a civil war in the New York Times.
So they raised the temperature, burned down billions of dollars of buildings, attacked police.
The vice president, who later became vice president, was bailing murderers and criminals out of jail.
And then...
jordan holmes
Sure, that's why.
alex jones
A million people, a couple hundred fight the police, a few thousand get waved into the building, and they arrest those that peacefully went in.
This is outrageous.
This is a fraud.
And bare minimum, the federal government stood down and refused Trump's request for National Guard a month before.
And so it's on them because they created the conditions to allow this to happen.
Roger Stone.
roger stone
Absolutely true.
dan friesen
So, here are the things that you need to correct.
jordan holmes
Yeah, go ahead down the list there.
dan friesen
Pelosi didn't say that if Trump won, they wouldn't accept it and they'd just hold their own inauguration.
Alex is making things up based on a war game meeting that people had to discuss the possible responses that could be taken if Trump lost and refused to leave office.
Two, the burning of these buildings and such, the protests, that has nothing to do with what Alex is talking about.
He's just connecting on related things.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Three, Kamala Harris didn't bail out murderers or anything.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
She retweeted a link to the Minnesota Freedom Fund, which was helping to bail out people who were arrested in the George Floyd protests.
This has been spun wildly by people like Alex into reaching the form you hear here.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Four, Alex's January 6th narrative seems to be ignoring that he's now realized that Stuart Rhodes and the Oath Keepers totally planned to do what they did.
What you hear there is Alex going back to the old narrative he used to say, even though his show's talking points have been updated.
In fact, he's not even in sync with his own lies.
Five, the federal government didn't refuse Trump's request to send it to the National Guard.
So there's at least five really discreet problems with that.
It's only 50 seconds long.
It's complete bullshit.
jordan holmes
Here's what I'm saying.
Okay, we don't need to fuck with the First Amendment at all.
All right?
We don't need to limit people's speech.
What we need to do is just get a litmus test like this clip right here.
If you have enough lies in a short enough period of time, you're off the air.
dan friesen
Well, it's like some comics will do the laughs per minute.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
See, that's what I'm saying!
We need to measure lies per minute.
dan friesen
We need sabermetrics for bullshitters.
unidentified
Totally!
jordan holmes
What's your lies above replacement host?
dan friesen
Alex is high.
Alex is high on that.
I think it would be tough to find somebody who would be able to replace him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would be tough.
dan friesen
He's the...
I can't think of the best baseball player in the world.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, the best baseball player in the world is Shohei Otani, yes.
I was going to say Mike Trout.
The second best is Mike Trout.
unidentified
Really?
jordan holmes
He was the best up until Shohei Otani took over.
dan friesen
Hey, how about that?
jordan holmes
Probably the best in history was Barry Bonds.
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
jordan holmes
Give Shohei Otani another ten years and he might be there.
That's how good he is.
dan friesen
What about Ken Griffey Jr.?
jordan holmes
Ken Griffey Jr. is great.
One of the top 20. Poo holes.
Poo holes, top 20. Okay.
Maybe even, I would say, I would put Ken Griffey at...
unidentified
And Pujol's probably around 17. What about David Eckstein?
jordan holmes
David Eckstein, way low on the list, my friend!
dan friesen
So Taguchi.
jordan holmes
He's down there.
dan friesen
Scott Spezio.
jordan holmes
Scott Spezio, number six!
dan friesen
Mark Supon.
I'm just naming the Cardinals that were part of the World Series winning team.
Those are the only ones you remember.
My buddy is all of the Cardinals, so we watched the shit out of that series.
I gotcha.
Yeah, this episode, in terms of meaningfulness over replacement, not great.
jordan holmes
Right.
No, no, no, very bad.
dan friesen
There's not really a ton going on here, because I think that in some ways Alex is in the middle of a holding pattern.
He's made this prediction of the giant cyber attack that he's preemptively made that narrative in case something happens.
didn't seem to do it for him.
Right.
unidentified
So maybe this is going to be pushed down the road, kick the can down until maybe there is some kind of a cyber attack.
dan friesen
And the rest of this is just...
I don't know.
Weird bullshit about history.
And Roger needs money.
jordan holmes
Roger really needs money.
I mean, I will say I take some schadenfreude in that.
I would like to see Roger Stone penniless and walking everywhere for the rest of his life.
I think that'd be...
Quite enjoyable.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, he could be a panhandler, certainly.
He could be out there asking for money, but...
jordan holmes
I think he should have to be.
dan friesen
But...
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
He would make you...
His hat would be a top hat.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
That is true.
unidentified
It'd be fun.
jordan holmes
He'd be a fun panhandler.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't take joy in his impoverishment or anything.
I do think it's funny, though, the way that they're doing this...
Promotional infomercial, basically.
It's just excessive and silly.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Gotta get run of Roger Stone's.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Gotta get it engraved, too.
One of those paperweights.
Just put it on your stackies.
dan friesen
Oh, you gotta get it on the stackies.
I'm gonna say this right now.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
I'm worried that someone is going to, as a joke, buy...
jordan holmes
No, do not...
Give Roger Stone a fuck.
I told you I want to see him penniless walking everywhere for the rest of his life.
dan friesen
Don't, as a joke, buy his signed pardon.
Just take joy in knowing that it exists and someone probably has got one.
jordan holmes
And if you beat them, maybe take it from them.
dan friesen
And run away.
So, Jordan, we'll be back on another episode, hopefully with a little bit more impact than this.
jordan holmes
Let's hope.
dan friesen
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at...
Knowledge underscore fight, and I go to bed, Jordan.
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, I'm Daryl Rundis.
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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