Today, Dan and Jordan put present-day Alex in timeout, as they dip into the past to see how Alex was engaging with the 2014 midterm elections. It turns out, he gets super racist and interviews someone who would go on to become the Most Important Person In The World.
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| It's time to pray. | ||
| I have great respect for knowledge fight. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Dan and George. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I need money. | ||
|
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding us. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I love your room. | ||
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Knowledge fight. | |
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to KnowledgeFight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| We're good. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Like a Christmas carol, but for Alex Jones. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Rangle... | ||
| Chains. | ||
| Jangling. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| Warnings from ghosts. | ||
| Indeed, that is what we do. | ||
| We're a lot like ghosts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Sure. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Hi, Dan. | ||
| I have very little proof that I'm alive. | ||
| Can't prove it. | ||
| As with ghosts. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Hey, Jordan. | ||
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Let me ask you a question. | |
| What's your bright spot today? | ||
| My bright spot today, I told you about this before the show, but it's Dynasty Warriors. | ||
| I had no idea that there were Dynasty Warriors games available for the Switch, but I found one accidentally. | ||
| I've not played a Dynasty Warriors game since the PS2 era, I believe. | ||
| It's been quite a while. | ||
| That's good times. | ||
| Maybe a decade or so. | ||
| Is that how fun? | ||
| As you brought up, Hyrule Warriors, but it's not quite the same. | ||
| It's not the same. | ||
| And so I started playing a little bit of Dynasty Warriors 8, and it's fun. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| Good stuff. | ||
| Yeah, so that's a bright spot. | ||
| Yeah, that's wonderful. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| What about you? | ||
| My bright spot is, so about 30 years ago, Godspeed You Black Emperor recorded a demo tape of which 33 copies were made. | ||
| Is this an Illuminati thing? | ||
| I believe it's the number, right? | ||
| A couple of days ago, the first time it was put onto YouTube. | ||
| First time in 30 years. | ||
| Nobody even thought this thing even existed anymore. | ||
| And we have a full hour of Godspeed You Black Emperor that was only put on 33 cassette tapes, Dan. | ||
| That's pretty wild. | ||
| That's wild! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's crazy! | ||
| Do they want it to be out? | ||
| It's not their business. | ||
| It is, though. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I think. | ||
| It's a very interesting thing as a document of a demo tape that they put out. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| Maybe they would want people not to hear it. | ||
| It's not necessarily meant for public consumption. | ||
| Well, yeah, it was. | ||
| It was released as a demo on 33 copies of a tape. | ||
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But it was for the execs to get a record deal. | |
| What do you think they would do? | ||
| Like, not put it out? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm grasping at straws. | ||
| It's super cool. | ||
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That's awesome. | |
| It's really good, and especially because it's in 1994 or whatever, and you listen to it now, and they're not fully formed as Godspeed yet, but it's just blowing you away. | ||
| Just like, what? | ||
| This is 94! | ||
| It's still as relevant today as it was then. | ||
| Is it? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I haven't heard it. | ||
| Maybe! | ||
| You tell me. | ||
| Well, that's great. | ||
| I'm glad you have that to enjoy. | ||
| It's really cool. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we're gonna put Alex in timeout for the last episode. | ||
| Good. | ||
| That was enough for a while. | ||
| Disgusting monster. | ||
| And so I decided what might be relevant to do is we got the midterms coming up. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And so I thought maybe we should take a look at something from the midterms in 2014. | ||
| See where Alex's head was at during that period of time. | ||
| Pre-Trump. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it just so happens that... | ||
| It's a pre-Trump rapture, if you will. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It just so happens that the day of the election, the midterm election, November 4th, 2014, Alex's guest is the most important person in the world, Tucker Carlson. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| So I thought it would be interesting to look at the dynamics of the midterm election in 2014 and also see how Alex related to the most important person in the world before he was the most important person in the world. | ||
| This is like a 33-year-old Godspeed you Black Emperor tape is what we're listening to. | ||
| This is a demo. | ||
| Yeah, this is a demo. | ||
| For the modern racist fascism that they're disseminating. | ||
| And so we'll get into that. | ||
| But first, Jordan, let's... | ||
| Let's say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Ooh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Tony from Akron is a damn cryptid shaman. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Colin at Castles in Space. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, I hope my neighbors enjoy hearing Jordan's laugh as much as I do because I play this podcast on my Bluetooth soundbar. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| But also, this podcast should be something you listen to in private. | ||
| It is shameful. | ||
| Headphones. | ||
| Headphones. | ||
| Noise canceling. | ||
| No proof. | ||
| Next, Tim at Mount Weird, who prepped more for that deposition than Daria. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Next, I haven't physically murdered or stomped out guts either. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| And finally, we got a technocrat in the mix. | ||
| So thank you. | ||
| And hello, Delaware Aaron. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| I have risen above my enemies. | ||
| I might quit tomorrow, actually. | ||
| I'm just going to take a little breaky now. | ||
| A little breaky for me. | ||
| And then we're going to come back. | ||
| And I'm going to start the show over. | ||
| But I'm the devil! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| I got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World Order, and fuck the horse you rode in on, and all your shit! | ||
| Maybe today should be my last broadcast. | ||
| Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. | ||
| Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow, and you never see me again. | ||
| That's really what I want to do. | ||
| I never want to come back here again. | ||
| I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. | ||
| I'll be better tomorrow. | ||
| Who knows about tomorrow, but let's see if Alex was better in the past. | ||
| Let's find out. | ||
| In 2014. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| He wasn't. | ||
| But here is an out-of-context drop from today's show. | ||
| And have you ever had heard of any show when I've had mine just a little bit? | ||
| Just a little bit? | ||
| What? | ||
| Just a tiny bit of identity theft, man. | ||
| Just a touch. | ||
| Did you know that a lot of people call themselves Alex? | ||
| That's a tiny bit of identity theft. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I never really thought about identity theft as like a thing of... | ||
| An amount? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was this kind of thought like, wow, people have got your private information. | ||
| They've got six of my social security numbers. | ||
| I'm really... | ||
| Playing with thin ice now. | ||
| I feel like it's less of, like, a little bit of identity theft, and they did a little bit with it. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They bought gas one time. | ||
| So, we start here on the 4th, and, you know, you can see a little bit of the same sort of conversation that Alex has around a lot of elections here. | ||
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Coming up today, an election coverage. | |
| This is the big day, the midterms, 2014. | ||
| What Drudge tweeted three years ago, 2014 is everything. | ||
| And I absolutely agree with him, and now we're seeing how important it is. | ||
| There's a major political realignment. | ||
| It's always the most important thing, and it's a political realignment. | ||
| Every single time there's political realignment happening. | ||
| And I think that on a sort of who-gives-a-shit level... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's accurate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he's trying to over-grandiose things a little bit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think that this actually probably is something that both parties are a little bit guilty of. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You hear some conversation. | ||
| But again, I think I've brought this up before. | ||
| It's sensible to say that every election is the most important one. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because it's the one you can impact. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Past elections, there might have been more important things on the electoral slate, but you can't do anything about it now. | ||
| No. | ||
| You can in the present one. | ||
| I mean, it's like, what's the point of me being... | ||
| Hey, Dan, look, this isn't the most important election. | ||
| The most important election was 1860. | ||
| That helps you, right? | ||
| Puts things in perspective. | ||
| It disempowers you a little bit. | ||
| Yes, it does. | ||
| Because, yeah, the most important election should be the one which you have an ability to impact. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, I mean, it's just kind of trite, but it's, you know, Alex is there too. | ||
| I have yet to live through an election where both parties have been like, man, I'm going to be honest with you, not much going on this year. | ||
| This one's a seed. | ||
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This one's, it's really, we're staying the course. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex has destroyed Obama, basically. | ||
| Already? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Him and his buddies have taken him down as a political god. | ||
| After two presidential elections. | ||
| But look, there's still some things that you've got to be worried about. | ||
| We have effectively shot down. | ||
| The political god they were trying to create in Barack Obama. | ||
| But they will simply give us new gods for old. | ||
| That's why it's important to hold the Republicans' feet to the fire coming out of this election, because they probably will get the Senate. | ||
| Washington Post is saying 90% chance. | ||
| That's what most of their analysts are saying right now. | ||
| But don't forget the secret weapon. | ||
| That's the illegal alien voters. | ||
| Ah, yes. | ||
| Constantly. | ||
| The secret weapon. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| This apparently is something you can track to every election. | ||
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Right. | |
| Alex throws this out there. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| We're, I mean... | ||
| You know, that's actually something that's almost been kind of nice about the 2020 rewriting narrative. | ||
| It hasn't been illegal immigrants who have the rights boogeyman this time. | ||
| Some of it is. | ||
| It was all of us. | ||
| Well, it is all of us, but that is also the quote-unquote immigrant voting illegally thing is still part of the storyline. | ||
| Totally, that's true. | ||
| That you get from Alex and his ilk. | ||
| And it especially was before the sort of narrative solidified a little bit more. | ||
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Right. | |
| In the post-election period. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But yeah, you can see this is fairly boilerplate. | ||
| It's a bit standard. | ||
| Now, this episode gets racist really fast. | ||
| How quick? | ||
| You might have smelled a little bit of it coming in with the illegal voting stuff. | ||
| What? | ||
| But man, I was not ready. | ||
| I came into this just looking for election coverage and Tucker Carlson. | ||
| I did not expect for Alex to go... | ||
| So hard, so fast. | ||
| Oh, is he going to play that clip of Joe Rogan saying the N-word a bunch? | ||
| He's not. | ||
| He's not. | ||
| He's going to do his own little version. | ||
| And I've got to tell you, I go around Austin and other areas of Texas. | ||
| I actually don't mind seeing diverse crowds of people. | ||
| I think it's interesting. | ||
| Except it's so overwhelming. | ||
| And it's so much faster than it was before. | ||
| And it's clearly organized and illegal. | ||
| I walked into a Walgreens at about 8 o 'clock last night, and it was like something out of an international airport in Bangladesh. | ||
| There were people in Arab dress, Indian dress, there were folks obviously from Africa not speaking English, and the people at the front counter barely spoke English. | ||
| And there were people clearly from Mexico in there. | ||
| And it's just a total, by design, flooding of the country with illegals. | ||
| I feel like that's a really good encapsulation of Alex's delusional position about integration. | ||
| He pretends that he has no problem with non-white people existing in the spaces around him, but at the same time, if he sees a few minorities in a store, he decides without any proof that they're all here illegally and it's part of an effort to flood the country. | ||
| I mean, it's overwhelming to see more than one non-white person anywhere. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| This feature of Alex's racism operates very similarly to his story about getting terrified about seeing a couple You can hear this being expressed in the way he's saying that there were just too many minorities at this Walgreens that he went to, | ||
| as if to imply that he's a good tolerant white person who will put up with one non-white person being at the pharmacy, but there's a line. | ||
| If there are three non-white people there at the same time, that's evidence of a fucking invasion. | ||
| Obviously! | ||
| Alex has literally zero information about these people that he sees at Walgreens, other than that he can tell that they're not white and maybe he can hear them speaking in languages other than English. | ||
| From that, he determines that they're not supposed to be in the country and that their presence is part of a conspiracy against white people in America. | ||
| That's sick shit, and it's something that Alex is perfectly comfortable expressing as if he's making a legitimate point about some political position that he has that's sincere. | ||
| He has no information about the citizenship status of any of these people. | ||
| He has no information about whether or not they're immigrants. | ||
| He has no information about whether or not they even can or want to vote. | ||
| The only information he's operating on is that they're not white, and being around multiple non-white people makes Alex's white identity and the power that he feels entitled to because of that identity feel threatened. | ||
| Honestly, Alex is a way worse person now than he seemed to be in 2014, but this articulation of this deeply entrenched racism is something that's probably more explicit than he gets into today. | ||
| Yeah, you know, it is nice that the one... | ||
| The single ideal of America that is unimpeachably great, the idea that anyone can come here and make themselves a life, is the thing that they hate more than anything else. | ||
| Well, it's so bizarre the way that they'll hold on to the image of that priority. | ||
| Oh, totally. | ||
| It's a free country. | ||
| Yeah, and it's like, isn't that what makes us so great? | ||
| But also, if there are a bunch of minorities around, non-white people, then I think there's something up. | ||
| I think it's a conspiracy. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Fine. | ||
| Here's my new rule. | ||
| No Walgreens can have anything less than an exactly demographic... | ||
| A representation of America. | ||
| If there are more than 60% white people, the Walgreens closes down. | ||
| What about CVS? | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| They're racist. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| I feel like implementing of your system would be incredibly challenging. | ||
| It would be difficult. | ||
| I imagine you'd get some pushback from Alex on that, too. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| There would be a lot more non-white people in his Walgreens, that's for sure. | ||
| This guy sucks. | ||
| This was weird to hear so fast. | ||
| Why? | ||
| What? | ||
| What? | ||
| And the story is so trite. | ||
| Like, it means nothing. | ||
| His experience is just that there was no fight, there was no, like, conflict or anything. | ||
| It was just his experiencing of what he determined to be too many non-white people existing in a space that he thought there should be more white people in. | ||
| Man. | ||
| That's all that happened. | ||
| I can't believe that, because if you just go there and you see, that's what I would... | ||
| That's what would blow my mind, is seeing all of those people from everywhere in the fucking world in the same place, knowing that if I flew anywhere, if I flew to any country in the world, I would see an infinitely more homogenous place in that Walgreens than I would here. | ||
| That's the amazing thing. | ||
| Not anywhere, obviously. | ||
| The great melting pot that is Walgreens. | ||
| That's what I'm saying! | ||
| That's the coolest shit! | ||
| Sure, not to Alex. | ||
| No. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's awful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, Alex weaves from this into maybe white supremacist talking points. | ||
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Yeah, well. | |
| And the headline today is law enforcement defines elections as referendums, says Obama's amnesty means tidal wave of illegal immigration. | ||
| Listen, here's the deal. | ||
| The Democrats are talking about a revolution. | ||
| The Democrats are talking about tearing the country apart if they're not given total amnesty, and Illinois is trying to pass a law that's unanimously passed out of the Senate and passed out of the House to let foreigners vote. | ||
| If you can get here, you just can vote. | ||
| Do you understand that they can bring in an unlimited group and then have them vote as political clients? | ||
| For tax money they're given to do whatever the Democrats want, and the Republicans are bought and paid for by the same globalist interests, and they're going along with all this? | ||
| This is premeditated. | ||
| If India had the equivalent of hundreds of millions of people being brought in, because they're more populous, it would be a similar equation. | ||
| They bring in 40, 50 million, or 300 million. | ||
| Well, India's a billion, so you bring in a couple hundred million. | ||
| Imagine bringing in a couple hundred million people, say, from China, and then just saying, you can vote in Indian elections. | ||
| Indians would burn their cities to the ground. | ||
| And, quite frankly, that's a normal instinct, because you're being usurped, you're being conquered, you're being taken over. | ||
| No one would put up with stuff like this. | ||
| I'm not speaking hyperbolically when I say that this is some Stormfront shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| These talking points are the stuff of white supremacist message boards, and it relies on the same underpinnings as the great replacement conspiracy theories that have inspired mass murderers like Brendan Tarrant and Patrick Crucius. | ||
| This is 2014, Alex, long before he had any connection to the Trump community, and back when he was trying to pretend that he was above the left-right paradigm. | ||
| The game was always to present yourself as being against both parties, to trick people into thinking that you're in the middle, while in reality you're just trying to lure unsuspecting, politically disillusioned people towards the extreme right in opinions like this. | ||
| This is the game. | ||
| You know, maybe we've gotten it wrong. | ||
| Maybe he has always been above the left right. | ||
| The left-right paradigm. | ||
| Interesting slip of the tongue there. | ||
| But he's been below the white-non-white paradigm for too long. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I guess you could say that he is above the left-right paradigm in as much as he exists nowhere near it. | ||
| What's the point of politics whenever all I really want to deal with is how racist I am? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I still want to give that racism the thin veneer of politics. | ||
| Well, it needs to have the power of the state to really have a lot of power behind it, you know? | ||
| But also, I should say that I'm really against the state. | ||
| I'm against the state. | ||
| I'm way off of it. | ||
| I would like to use its power to inflict harm, though. | ||
| Small government until it can be used to enforce my white nationalist ideologies. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I want small boots until I'm wearing them, and then I want big boots on your throat. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Really, really curious around this point, because Alex is insisting that the media has done him dirty, right? | ||
| There's a story, a raw story, there's an article there, that Alex takes issue with the headline, and this really got my ears up. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yes, if you tune in for the first time, this show sounds crazy. | ||
| We're not crazy. | ||
| Reality's crazy. | ||
| Before I get into election news, look at this raw story. | ||
| Basically, White House connected, you know, disinfo platform. | ||
| Alex Jones, Obama put out a green light, close quote, for, close quote, groups of black youths, close quote, to kidnap white women. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| That is not what I said. | ||
| See, when you read something like that with quotes after each word, that's a straw man. | ||
| That's not what I said. | ||
| I said Obama and MSNBC created a racial climate where there's a green light to go out and attack white people, just like there was a green light before it was decried and prosecuted for whites to go out, groups of gangs, and attack black people. | ||
| And I said black gangs all over the U.S. attacking white people, it's a well-known phenomenon all over local news around the country, is the equivalent. | ||
| Of people that, well, I'm not a criminal, but I do go roll, you know, gays. | ||
| They use another word. | ||
| And then because you don't like someone, you go and two black guys, two white guys, whatever the case is, it's done in all cultures, go beat up some guys coming out of a gay bar that look like they're physically weak. | ||
| That's predator activity. | ||
| But it's okay because they're gay, so you're allowed to physically attack them. | ||
| No, you're not. | ||
| So it's wrong when the Klan does it. | ||
| It's wrong when people go out and roll queers, is what it's called. | ||
| What? | ||
| And it's wrong when blacks go out and attack whites. | ||
| And here's the deal. | ||
| There is a green light, and no one dare politically correct, talk about it nationally, but everybody knows. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| So I'm confused. | ||
| I'm wildly confused. | ||
| I think that I just have to leave a bit of that rambling to the side. | ||
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I guess. | |
| Because I don't think we're going to be able to parse it out. | ||
| I think he's just saying that there are people in all groups who like to beat up people in other groups for predator-ass behaviors. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I am more interested in this Raw Story headline and seeing just how accurate or inaccurate it is. | ||
| Because I am always curious about, like, Alex... | ||
| being misinterpreted or people covering him in the wrong way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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So Alex is mad about this article in Raw Story, which allows me to figure out what episode the actual comments that they're covering were made in. | |
| Right. | ||
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So I can go back and I can figure out and see if Alex is right or if Raw Story is right. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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Did this headline actually mischaracterize Alex's words or is he just engaging in a stupid racist backpedaling spin designed to justify his bigotry and malign anybody who would seek to call it out? | |
| This has to do with stuff that Alex said apparently, according to Raw Story, on the previous day's episode. | ||
| And here's what we will need to assess specifically. | ||
| Alex has taken issue with the Raw Story headline, quote, Alex Jones, Obama put out a green light for groups of black youths to kidnap white women. | ||
| In the headline, to put out a green light and groups of black youths are the things that are in quotation marks. | ||
| So it's Alex's contention that this headline is somehow a Frankenstein mishmash of his words being used to mischaracterize what he said. | ||
| So this was saying... | ||
| That it was on Monday's episode. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because this episode is on Tuesday. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So according to Raw Story, we go back to Monday. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And we check it out. | ||
| We can find out. | ||
| What did he say? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's see it. | ||
| So Alex doesn't get into this sort of commentary immediately, so I was like, well, I might as well pull some clips of things that are interesting along the way. | ||
| Sure, why not? | ||
| We're here. | ||
| Here's one that's really stupid. | ||
| I have a policy of truth to rip off the name of a popular Depeche Mode song. | ||
| I really try to tell the truth, and if I don't want to hurt somebody's feelings, I just try to shut up. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I want to be truthful to myself. | ||
| I don't want to be delusional. | ||
| One thing I've noticed is that most losers that I've known in my life... | ||
| Fantasize about how they're successful and fantasize about how their competition is failing and will make things up. | ||
| They will sit right there to your face, do something, and then deny they did it instead of just owning up to it. | ||
| And when you lie like that, it doesn't just infect the general culture, it infects your brain. | ||
| You start believing your own bull. | ||
| Man, I don't even have to roast Alex. | ||
| I can just sit back and let his past self do it. | ||
| No, I'm gonna light myself on fire. | ||
| I can't listen to him say that. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| It hurts me physically to hear him say the things that I would very casually say. | ||
| To his face. | ||
| Yeah, it's like, look, Alex, I would love to dunk on you, but I have brought your past self to do it for you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| For me. | ||
| Good God. | ||
| I can't count the number of times he's yelled about how the world leaders listen to him because it's the most important analysis of world issues, and Brian Stelter has no viewers, and CNN is failing. | ||
| So there's one hallmark of being a loser. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| And then, I mean, the other big hallmark of a loser is you do something, and then you... | ||
| You lie directly to people's faces that you didn't do that thing, and you refuse to take responsibility. | ||
| And, like, let's just think about how he engaged with Rogan. | ||
| What? | ||
| Are you telling me that this clip is of him saying that people lie rather than engage with the thing that they did? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then on tomorrow's episode, he's going to engage with the story about a thing that he did. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| We don't know yet. | ||
| I'm telling you that I'm going through this to assess whether or not the Raw Story headline is accurate. | ||
| But even taking that aside, the way he lied to Rogan's face about what he said about Sandy Hook is a classic hallmark of a loser, according to Alex. | ||
| He is a loser, yeah. | ||
| If you want to stay in the Sandy Hook department, those depositions weren't him being truthful and taking responsibility. | ||
| Didn't go well. | ||
| It's remarkable to... | ||
| To hear things that I think are actually fairly accurate. | ||
| I think it is loserish behavior to self-aggrandize and minimize your enemies in sort of fantasy world behaviors. | ||
| And I do think it's also kind of loserish to not own up to past mistakes and deal with yourself realistically. | ||
| Coherently put as well. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just that. | ||
| Alex, he indicts himself. | ||
| It could not be more an indictment of yourself than to coherently put forth an argument that you are a loser. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex takes some calls on this November 3rd show. | ||
| And this guy had a really interesting idea. | ||
| And if you listen to this, you can tell that Alex loves... | ||
| And respects the institution of voting. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like, he thinks that this is a sacred act. | ||
| It's the most important part of democracy. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Participation. | ||
|
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Alex, I want to suggest a writing campaign. | |
| You know, any race where somebody runs unopposed or a race where, by the latest poll, it's like over 3%, one person over another. | ||
| How about people write in something that's, you know, like a... | ||
| Kind of middle finger to the system kind of thing. | ||
| Yeah, write in InfoWars, and then that'll show up on the news feeds. | ||
| People will say, what's that? | ||
| Alex wants to use voting as a publicity stunt. | ||
| God. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's just... | ||
| That's advertising you just can't buy. | ||
| No. | ||
| You can't buy that. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| You can destroy a country with it. | ||
| And if you did try to buy it, it would be voter fraud. | ||
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It would be illegal. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| God, so ridiculous. | ||
| So he takes another call from a guy. | ||
| This actually was horrifying. | ||
| So this caller is discussing how he works at an apartment complex in Arizona. | ||
| And they apparently somehow are part of an intentional plot to bring in refugees and immigrants from, like, Liberia because they want to spread Ebola. | ||
| His specific... | ||
| Complex in Arizona. | ||
| Yes, and the complex of the wider ownership. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's like an ownership group. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And they're all trying to bring in, nefariously bring in people from Liberia and other countries in Africa. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And boy, this is bad. | ||
| Let's hear it. | ||
| Tell us specifically what's going on at the apartment complex. | ||
|
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They've brought in people from Liberia. | |
| They have a specific classroom here in the office. | ||
| Where they bring them in, they kind of go over what to say, what kind of paperwork to fill out, Liberia, Africa, all these different places where they come in and they literally, they're teaching them what to say, what to write. | ||
| Like, half these people don't even know how to write their own name on their own. | ||
| Perfect voters. | ||
| And so who's doing this? | ||
| The feds? | ||
| The CDC? | ||
| Who's doing this? | ||
|
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The feds. | |
| They have to be, because every single apartment complex managed by this company literally lets nothing but refugees in. | ||
| Now, here you say the name of the company. | ||
|
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It's called Bill Moore Property. | |
| Okay, give us the name of the apartment complex and we'll send people out there. | ||
|
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Chandler Village Apartment. | |
| Well, thank you so much. | ||
| God bless you all, sir. | ||
| We're going to put you on hold and get your info. | ||
| I mean, this seems like a lawsuit. | ||
| That seems like something. | ||
| I mean, the kind of behaviors that Alex is in trouble with because of Sandy Hook. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is the same behavior. | ||
| It applies. | ||
| I mean, definitely not the exact same thing in terms of like... | ||
| You know, saying that people were actors and their kids didn't die. | ||
| But the behavior of acting in such a way that would lead to targeted harassment of people, whether it's the people who live in these apartment complexes, refugee or otherwise, or the people who run these apartment complexes, you're putting people at a risk. | ||
| And the ethical implications of having this guy say the name of the apartment complex on the air is staggering. | ||
| It's so immoral. | ||
| You've said that on this show that all of these people are immigrants. | ||
| You've said that the owners of your apartment complex are assisting them to do nefarious things. | ||
| Whether it's to stealthily bring Ebola to America or to interfere with elections. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And then you gave the address. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And Alex is saying we're going to send some people out there. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| So I... | ||
| Fucked up. | ||
| I don't know if I've ever seen Alex do this kind of thing before. | ||
| Or always. | ||
| Yeah, that was the one I was thinking. | ||
| I think it's relevant and worthwhile to point out something like this because it really is a pattern of behavior. | ||
| Whether it's intentionally done to cause intimidation or harassment towards these people who he feels are acting in ways that... | ||
| He disagrees with. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or if it's just a lack of concern for the well-being of people who will be targeted and harassed. | ||
| Right. | ||
| By his broadcast. | ||
| Either way, the results are awful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And creating it as a pattern also makes it a feedback loop where the more you tell people to go send, we're going to send people out there, the more people are going to call in and say, I'm at blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Send people out here. | ||
| I got a hot tip. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| This guy didn't. | ||
| Of his own accord, say the name of the place. | ||
| Alex specifically asked him. | ||
| He could have done that off-air. | ||
| If he really was interested in a scoop or wanted to investigate this further, he would have kept that off-air. | ||
| The possibility of something happening from that is something that most journalistic outlets wouldn't risk. | ||
| No, and I mean, just fuck me. | ||
| The idea of me living in an apartment complex. | ||
| Happily. | ||
| Just fine. | ||
| And not having any idea that somebody fucking three, four hallways down the way is calling Alex Jones to give them my address. | ||
| To put a bounty. | ||
| Yeah, that's no good. | ||
| That makes me feel very uncomfortable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not best practices. | ||
| No, that's not good. | ||
| So, the comments that Alex made about... | ||
| Black folks getting a green light to attack white people that are alleged in this Raw Story article. | ||
| They are in response to Ben Stein. | ||
| He went on Fox News and said that Obama was the most racist president in history. | ||
| Yeah, that was an interesting question on Ben Stein's money, too. | ||
| Who's the most racist president in history? | ||
| Jimmy Kimmel was laughing. | ||
| Or was this after Sarah Silverman took over? | ||
| Oh, I don't remember that era. | ||
| She took over for Jimmy Kimmel after a number of seasons. | ||
| That's so funny. | ||
| I think Cousin Sal might have filled in a couple times. | ||
| Sure, why not? | ||
| I was just thinking about this. | ||
| I saw that clip of Adam Carolla on Sean Hannity. | ||
| So staggering, the different directions that Kimmel and Carolla took. | ||
| I mean, it could not be more like the dichotomy of our future. | ||
| Like, when I was growing up... | ||
| The idea that if somebody just sat me down while I was watching the man show and been like, one of these will be good for you and one will be poison. | ||
| One of these guys will host a late night show and have some socially responsible positions that he puts out and isn't a dick. | ||
| The other one will be an annoying monster. | ||
| Just a real tragedy of a void where humanity once was. | ||
|
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Brutal. | |
| You would have thought they both would have gone that route, honestly. | ||
| You know, right? | ||
| You're on the man show! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that's the... | ||
| But that's what I'm saying. | ||
| That's the dichotomy. | ||
| And then who took over the man show? | ||
| Rogan. | ||
| God, we're all fucked. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Men shouldn't be allowed anywhere near... | ||
| Isn't it Rogan and Doug Stanhope took it over? | ||
| I know Stanhope was. | ||
| Yeah, the other one was Rogan. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fun. | ||
| Everything comes full circle, baby. | ||
| Everybody who works in TV is wrong and should be... | ||
| Fired. | ||
| So anyway, Ben Stein made these comments, and that's what precipitated Alex's alleged commentary. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And so, on this episode from the third, Alex brings up Ben Stein, but he doesn't say the things that Raw Story was saying. | ||
| There was a quote on Fox News over the weekend about Obama being the most racist president in history. | ||
| I don't know if I totally agree with that statement. | ||
| He's been the biggest, it was Ben Stein that said it, he's been one of the biggest race bait pushers ever. | ||
| So I listened to this whole episode, and after I got all the way through, I realized that Raw Story had done me dirty. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| It wasn't the right episode. | ||
| But I also had, like, listened to, like, patches of it twice, because I was like, did I fucking miss something? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| What happened is, on the website, in this Raw Story article, they explicitly say that Alex came out and said these things on Monday. | ||
| So I found the show from Monday, and I went and I listened to it. | ||
| What they actually meant is that Alex posted this video on YouTube on Monday, but it was from his Sunday show. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| So now we've got to start over. | ||
| We've got to play this again from the top. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Because now I feel like I'm deeply committed to figuring out whether or not Raw Story is taking it out of context. | ||
| And so now I went and I listened to the Sunday show. | ||
| The problem with doing episodes in the past is you can't even email somebody to complain about it anymore. | ||
| Yeah, I don't need to issue a correction for Raw Story. | ||
| I want it. | ||
| I want one. | ||
| So now we go to the Sunday episode and I think that we're a little bit more in the ballpark. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| Ben Stein has come out. | ||
| on Fox News and called Obama the most racist president in history. | ||
| And I tend to agree with that because all the bad things that our founding fathers did This is the day before. | ||
| was done in their time. | ||
| When in Africa and in Asia and in the Middle East, no one was saying slavery was wrong. | ||
| What? | ||
|
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What? | |
| So now we have Alex agreeing with Ben Stein instead of saying, like, I don't know if I agree with him, but whatever. | ||
| I think his argument here is really dumb. | ||
|
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Oh, yeah? | |
| You can just leave that aside, though. | ||
| Like, even if slavery was fine in the United States because everyone else was doing it, we still should talk about it and try and undo the societal impact that it had on black people in America. | ||
| The issue of blame is irrelevant, and it's a distraction at this point. | ||
| It's really a matter of recognizing the generations of stolen wealth, the generations of denied access to many parts of the market and the economy, and how these things have affected communities to this day, and what we can do to address these problems moving forward to make a more equitable society. | ||
| Alex keeps the conversation on the level of slavery wasn't that bad if you look at the world at the time, because it keeps people distracted from the real reason that many of these conversations linger into the present, and that is these generational deprivations. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But I mean, that fucking... | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
|
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Not you. | |
| Not you specifically. | ||
| Just because I got the episode wrong? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| And also, fuck Raw Story. | ||
| They're getting it both ways. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| No. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| People were saying slavery was bad back then. | ||
| People have been saying slavery is bad since we had slavery. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That we are living in a world where it's fine for Alex to just put that out there, and then for us to just be like, well, it was socially accepted at the time, as opposed to rewriting our entire understanding of history to be like, this motherfucker said it was bad in 1700s! | ||
| Why haven't we focused on him? | ||
| I think you make a good point, and I'm glad you brought that up. | ||
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Sorry. | |
| Because I think that is definitely true, but I even think that if you leave it aside, No, no. | ||
| His argument still is as faulty as hell. | ||
| Oh, it's incredibly stupid. | ||
| But yeah, definitely. | ||
| There's a reason he makes this kind of an argument, though. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And there's a reason that we still have a... | ||
| Maybe it has something to do with the fact that he's really scared of seeing multiple minorities in a store. | ||
| And that's part of why our history is built around the idea that it was fine at the time. | ||
| Like, everybody agreed it was fine at the time, so we don't need to focus on the people who said it wasn't. | ||
| You could say, maybe putting this more accurately, there wasn't the societal capital or the political will to do something about how wrong it was. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| About how it was horrifically evil, even then. | ||
| If people, and this is the simplest way to do it... | ||
| If people took pages out of their Bible to give to slaves so the slaves didn't understand that the Bible said it was cool to kill your slave masters, then you knew it was wrong. | ||
| It implies intent. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Men's Rhea is there. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So Alex doesn't just talk race nonsense on this episode. | ||
| He also gets into one of his favorite sources of stuff. | ||
| I just kept this clip in because... | ||
| I thought it was just dumb. | ||
| It's so hardcore, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| It's so horrible. | ||
| But if we would just wake up to it, we could turn it around so quickly. | ||
| I don't get up here and say these wild things to be sensational. | ||
| I say them because it's true. | ||
| They're building a world where we're not part of it. | ||
| They're phasing humans out. | ||
| It was announced in 1999 in the April issue of Wired Magazine by Bill Joy, a billionaire who went to a private globalist conference of 200 top tech owners, Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Apple, and they had a meeting and decided after two days that the plan was to bring in the world government and reduce population down to almost zero. | ||
| They said... | ||
| Do we just let people play games all day, you know, fantasy games, World of Warcraft, and Second Life, and Hurt the Earth? | ||
| Where these people don't matter, do we basically phase them out? | ||
| And the consensus was, phase you out, and Bill Joy wrote a cover story warning you! | ||
| The decision had been made! | ||
| This is just really fascinating to me because it's the way Alex is trying to rationalize that, like, I don't come up here and say crazy stuff. | ||
| It's been announced. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That Bill Joy Wired article is available online. | ||
| You can find it. | ||
| It doesn't say any of this stuff that Alex has said. | ||
| We've talked about it many times. | ||
| Many, many times. | ||
| Many, many times. | ||
| And in case there are new listeners, just the brief version of this is that there is a passage in that article where Bill Joy is quoting the Unabomber. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is the stuff that Alex has taken to be the consensus of all of these billionaires. | ||
|
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Right, right, right. | |
| Everybody's like, oh, the Unabomber. | ||
| He nailed it. | ||
| And even that passage from the Unabomber isn't accurate to what Alex is saying. | ||
| But that's the announcement that the global elites have decided they're going to kill everybody off. | ||
| No, they warned you. | ||
| So stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So now we get back to overt racism. | ||
| And, oh boy, Alex is really... | ||
| Bent out of shape about downtown Austin, apparently. | ||
| Wow, there's more than one non-white person there. | ||
| I have been to Austin a number of times. | ||
| I've mentioned my parents live there. | ||
| And I've been downtown, 6th Street. | ||
| I think maybe it's more annoying than anything else. | ||
| It's pretty loud. | ||
| There's a lot of people partying, on the weekends in particular. | ||
| Do you mean there aren't a bunch of themed gangs of different races attacking white people like the Warriors? | ||
| There is a bunch of people dressed up in baseball uniforms. | ||
| Right, naturally. | ||
| That was scary as hell. | ||
| That's not cool. | ||
| All I wanted was a voodoo donut and this guy in a catcher's mitt. | ||
| There were so many goddamn roller skaters attacking me. | ||
| It was a weird guy with bottles on his fingers. | ||
|
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Alex! | |
| Come out to play! | ||
| It's more, in the case of this episode, it's Anthony Gucciardi! | ||
| Anyway, we'll get to it. | ||
| And all the big banks openly lobby to take our guns and bring in this tyranny. | ||
| They want us fighting with each other over what color we are. | ||
| I went and ate at a nice restaurant Wednesday night on East 6th Street, a gentrified area, and had somebody try to mug us. | ||
| That story's so true. | ||
| and mugged downtown about people pulled out knives that were going to kill you whitey. | ||
| I don't hate black people because there's a bunch of racist black people out attacking whites. | ||
| But see, the media won't cover it because it's political correctness. | ||
| What? | ||
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And they've so energized some black folks with hatred. | |
| They believe it's okay to go out and attack whites. | ||
| You can't even go into downtown Austin basically anywhere. | ||
| I want to warn everybody. | ||
| You just go out. | ||
| You will deal with black Ku Klux Klan. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We just heard a lot of anal parasite talking. | ||
|
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Yeah! | |
| So yeah, downtown's not safe for whites. | ||
| You know, it's always fun whenever Alex tries to insist that he's not being racist in the middle of committing a rhetorical hate crime. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, the situations that he's describing are... | ||
| Not necessarily things that I would describe as hate crimes, per se. | ||
| No. | ||
| Some guy asking him for money. | ||
| I think that the real issue is that Alex shouldn't live in a city. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think he's able to engage with and navigate the things that come with living in a city, which is, unfortunately, there is some structural shortcomings. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And people are panhandling. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That happens. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you take any time someone comes up and asks for money as an attempt to mug you, I think that you should just live on a farm. | ||
| Yeah, or you could go hog wild and really get a lot of groundswell behind the idea of taking money away from the cops and giving it to the people who are panhandling, you know? | ||
| Giving it to people who need it. | ||
| Social safety nets, housing. | ||
| Yeah, do that whole thing. | ||
| If you don't want people on the streets, man, there are two ways to solve it. | ||
| Kill everyone or help people. | ||
| Or go live in the country. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Stop living in Austin. | ||
| Stop living in a city if you can't deal with the dynamics and things that happen when you live in a city. | ||
| One out of every four people he sees is a race-baiting globalist supervillain. | ||
| So yeah, you can't live in a city. | ||
| And these other stories are a little bit vague for me to really operate on. | ||
| So we go on and apparently, man, there's just a rash of gangs going around downtown. | ||
| I told some friends, I said, listen, so many people are getting mugged. | ||
| I said, somebody better be packing heat if we go eat anywhere downtown, even in supposedly nice areas. | ||
| And the friends I went out with Wednesday night laughed at me. | ||
| And I said, listen, I'm a news hound. | ||
| I cover the news. | ||
| Not once, but twice we were approached by black males. | ||
| Once the person got a little bit aggressive, the second time extremely aggressive, bowed up and said, basically, you better give me money. | ||
| And one of the women began yelling at him. | ||
| I said some choice words, friendly way. | ||
| I said, listen, you better move on. | ||
| And it was a big guy. | ||
| Now, this is happening all over the country. | ||
| You hear about the knockout game? | ||
| I guess I'm glad that Alex didn't pack heat. | ||
| Might have committed a murder. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm glad I didn't hear about the knockout game again. | ||
| Oh, yeah, sure. | ||
| It's always fun, whatever you... | ||
| I feel like that has certainly dropped in terms of the priorities for right-wing commentators in 2022. | ||
| It seems like it's almost like they just make these things up when they're bored. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And panics catch on. | ||
| Yeah, why not? | ||
| Just call them witches. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| So, Alex had this experience that... | ||
| I think he's over-dramatizing just a little bit. | ||
| But then, Anthony Gucciardi, one of his employees. | ||
| The Gooch. | ||
| The Gooch. | ||
| He's one of these guys who exists in the space of helping Dr. Group sell his supplements and stuff. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| He has this sort of health vibe in the Infowars space. | ||
| He'd only shown up fairly recently in 2014, and his tenure was not very long. | ||
| He's not around the Infowars parts anymore. | ||
| But apparently he ran into some folks downtown, and they tried to kidnap his girlfriend. | ||
| Then Anthony Gucciardi was out. | ||
| He told me about it Saturday. | ||
| He was actually out Friday night. | ||
| He went to a restaurant. | ||
| He comes out. | ||
| He's walking to where his car's parked. | ||
| And six black males come over to him, pull a knife out, and basically say, give us your woman, she's an attractive lady, his girlfriend, or we're going to stab you. | ||
| And they kept just menacing him, and they said, you're not going to do anything, and there were police about 100 yards away, but they didn't see it, and began punching him, and he has bruises on him, and then he just said, yes, you're right, you win, you're wonderful, and they didn't stab him to death. | ||
| So I just have to give an advice to everyone listening in Austin, Texas. | ||
| You cannot go anywhere downtown except for the police patrol heavily around the W and other areas. | ||
| Anywhere on 2nd Street down, 6th Street, I-35, anywhere into East Austin where they gentrified it. | ||
| It is a war zone of mugging and robbery. | ||
| That is outrageous. | ||
| So we still don't know where Gucciardi's girlfriend is in this story. | ||
| Well, see, but that's the thing. | ||
| I don't really believe this story necessarily about Gucciardi. | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't know if Gucciardi's lying to Alex or if Alex is lying about it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But it does raise some questions, and that is that his girlfriend should have been kidnapped then, right? | ||
| Yeah, I think she's still gone. | ||
| The choice was, give us your girlfriend or we will stab you. | ||
| And he didn't get stabbed, and he said, okay, you all are right. | ||
| So that seems to imply that they took his girlfriend. | ||
| But that seems like a story that Alex would lead with. | ||
| I mean, that's probably the biggest story that I could think of for his purposes. | ||
| Six dudes stole my employee's girlfriend? | ||
| It seems to me that this story is nonsense because of the non-kidnapping and non-stabbing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe Anthony Gucci already got into a fight. | ||
| Also, that's the type of shit that happens in movies. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Six men come up to you with one knife, right? | ||
| Again, they don't need the knife. | ||
| There's six of them. | ||
| They can beat you to death in a heartbeat if that's what they want to do. | ||
| You don't need a knife to add. | ||
| Well, it's interesting that you say that there's six. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because that number might be a little bit fluid. | ||
| See, that's kind of what I was thinking. | ||
| He was saying six every time at six. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You wouldn't catch me dead downtown after 10. It's so dangerous. | ||
| That's when most of the muggings and racial attacks happen. | ||
| And it's racial. | ||
| It's racial. | ||
| That you're not going to hear Jesse Jackson or any of the white liberals talk about it. | ||
| Let's play this Ben Stein clip from Fox News where he says Obama's the most racist president there's ever been. | ||
| Hey, I know this. | ||
| He sure promotes it. | ||
| And there's sure been this green light put out that being white is inherently evil or even Hispanic. | ||
| Now, I notice it's not rednecks getting attacked. | ||
| Everybody knows they're packing heat. | ||
| And this is becoming a real problem, folks. | ||
| Let's go to the clip. | ||
| Alright, I've satisfied my curiosity. | ||
| I mean, didn't he get attacked? | ||
| So, Rednecks? | ||
| Nah, never mind. | ||
| Oh, he's a noted gun-haver. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So I think the Raw Story headline is absolutely accurate. | ||
| Alex spent about 20 minutes rambling about how a bunch of imagined racial attacks he and his friends had suffered in downtown Austin happened, and then, introducing this Ben Stein clip, he says that Obama greenlit and encouraged this kind of shit. | ||
| The headline itself has to do with a kidnapping. | ||
| And the story about Anthony Gucciardi's girlfriend was 100% an attempted kidnapping based on the way that Alex tells the story. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But I'll say that there's one thing that I have to... | ||
| Put out in total fairness to Alex. | ||
| It's super, super clear that Alex is trying to drum up feelings of fear about black men in his overwhelmingly white audience. | ||
| But, if you go super strictly on details, there's one way he can still make a point against the Raw Story article. | ||
| Their headline is, quote, Alex Jones, Obama put out a green light for groups of black youths to kidnap white women. | ||
| And if you listen to his telling of the situation with Gucciardi, there isn't any reason to conclude that his girlfriend is white. | ||
| A better headline would have encapsulated Alex's very overt racism, but not specified the unspecified race of Gucciardi's girlfriend. | ||
| From Alex's story, all we know is that she's very attractive, but we don't know that she's white. | ||
| Having gone through all this, I'm going to say that the Raw Story headline is actually overly fair to Alex. | ||
| His comments are racist as hell, and the placement of quotation marks don't really have anything to do with anything. | ||
| No. | ||
| But I'm satisfied now. | ||
| So let's go back to November 4th and Election Day. | ||
| And when I said the number of people in this Gucciardi story was a little bit fluid, here's what I mean. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is from November 4th now. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Yes, it's true that Anthony Gucciardi had eight black guys pull a knife on him and start grabbing his girlfriend and calling him racial names. | ||
| Eight men, one knife. | ||
| In downtown Austin. | ||
| And it happened to me last Wednesday night on East 6 going to eat dinner because they've got some great restaurants over there. | ||
| And a big black guy comes up to me and goes, I need money right now. | ||
| I've got to have it. | ||
| You understand that? | ||
| Give it to me. | ||
| And I was like, whoa. | ||
| Then we just stood there and he just stomped off. | ||
| What a great story. | ||
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What's going on? | |
| Just like in places like Vider, Texas, if a black person goes to the town, they get drugged behind a car to the other. | ||
| It's wrong. | ||
| It's wrong. | ||
| But what it is, is it's criminals who are rationalizing doing what they're doing because you're black, you're white, you're gay. | ||
| And that's what I said in my speech, not what you twisted and put in this article. | ||
| And that's why you people don't have any credibility. | ||
| It's why folks don't listen to you. | ||
| It's why the so-called left has fallen apart, because you're not the left, okay? | ||
| You're a bunch of racial dividers, okay? | ||
| So this is absurd, and it's not meant to make sense. | ||
| Alex has weirdly added two more black guys to the story about Anthony Gucciardi, but also pay really close attention to the comparison he's making about racial issues. | ||
| On the one hand, he has some guy coming up to him and maybe aggressively asking for money and then walking off with no real need for aggression or violence. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Alex just didn't respond, and he says the guy stomped off. | ||
| Alex has imagined that this was done because the guy was black and Alex was white, but there's no proof of this outside of Alex's imagination. | ||
| It's very possible, and perhaps even likely, that this guy aggressively asked a black person for money that same night. | ||
| There's nothing except for Alex's imagination that makes this a racially motivated thing, and I'm not entirely sure what the reality with the Gucci-arty story is, because it's second-hand and the details keep on changing. | ||
| Yeah, it does seem like he has now been attacked by the fucking Fellowship of the Ring. | ||
| So, this is being compared to racists dragging a black man to death behind their truck. | ||
| Alex is referring to the 1998 murder, or you could call it even a lynching by truck, of James Byrd Jr. | ||
| The three men who carried out that act, John William King, Lawrence Russell Brewer, and Sean Allen Berry, picked up Byrd when he was hitchhiking and then mercilessly beat him and dragged him for over three miles behind their truck. | ||
| Before the killing, they defecated and urinated on him. | ||
| After killing this man in one of the most disgusting and horrific ways possible, they left his body in front of the cemetery of a black church and then went to a cookout. | ||
| The killers were members and associates of white supremacist groups, and their motives were abundantly clear. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| tattoos and shit. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Two of them got the death penalty and have been executed. | |
| The third got life in prison for cooperating with the investigation. | ||
| In 2011, when one of them was on the eve of his execution, he told the news, quote, As far as any regrets, no, I have no regrets. | ||
| No, I'd do it all over again to tell you the truth. | ||
| Even through all that, the victim's family tried to spare him the death penalty. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| This is what Alex is comparing his experience to. | ||
| Some guy yelled at Alex that he wanted money, and then Alex stood there and the guy left. | ||
| That's as much of a violation to Alex as what happened to James Byrd Jr. | ||
| I guess Gucciardi's story is more severe with the threats about kidnapping, but... | ||
| You'll notice that even though Gucciardi was super outnumbered, he didn't get stabbed and his girlfriend wasn't kidnapped, if that story happened at all, there's absolutely no doubt that Byrd's murder was racially motivated. | ||
| It was an act that is very clear. | ||
| The stories Alex is telling may be real if I'm being generous, but there's no indication that they were racially motivated crimes. | ||
| If a black person mugs a white person, that wasn't necessarily done because of racial animus, but when three white supremacists drag a black man to death because he's black, and then they say that's why they did it, it's a racially motivated crime. | ||
| part of Alex's political project, which is rooted in white identity. | ||
| He's a flagrant racist and deserves, if anything, far more shit than he gets on that front. | ||
| And there is something very specifically intentional about this, trying to compare horrific, very clearly racially motivated crimes against black people to, to something like what Alex experienced. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| That is not necessarily racially motivated because the equivocation is patently offensive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And getting the audience to equate the two is an embedding of racism in their minds. | ||
| I mean, it serves the dual purpose of inflating his victim status and deflating the victim status of... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| The victims of his ilk. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah, it just happens so flippantly. | ||
| That comparison is something that's just something how he understands these dynamics. | ||
| It's terrifying. | ||
| Absolutely no wrestling with the reality of being dragged behind a car. | ||
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Or why, or who, or how. | |
| Well, congratulations, Alex. | ||
| Way to go! | ||
| I think, if anything, the Raw Story folks took you out of context. | ||
| In the opposite direction that you're claiming. | ||
| It's absurd to me how often he seems to be fucking handled with kid gloves by publications that should fucking both barrels at him. | ||
| I think a large part of that is it's really unpleasant to listen to his show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that most people would rather not do it. | ||
| You know, I think another part of it, I was just thinking about this recently, I think another part of it is when I was thinking about describing, like, Oh, this is what Alex said on his show. | ||
| If I really put that into a headline of something that we talk about on a daily basis that's totally normal to us, it would sound fake as shit. | ||
| It would sound like I was making it up. | ||
| And I think that's part of the, like, I don't know if it was fully intentional, but that's part of the reason that, like, our episodes are just a date. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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As the title and the description of the episode is never Yeah. | |
| Because I don't even want to engage with that possibility. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, what are you gonna... | ||
| Alex, famous Christian zealot says that we are energy beings vibrating between multiple dimensions and that is how we'll accelerate our growth to the next plane. | ||
| Who's gonna write that? | ||
| I don't know if anyone should. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| So yeah, Alex is a disgusting racist. | ||
| And we remember, because I accidentally listened to Monday's episode, we remember that Alex was doing that coverage of the apartment complex. | ||
| Now, listen to a report he has on Tuesday. | ||
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Oh boy. | |
| Obama's amnesty means tidal wave of illegal immigration. | ||
| They've printed 60 million green cards for after the election. | ||
| They've already opened the borders. | ||
| They're just going to certify it all. | ||
| The government's got the organization facilities at thousands of apartment complexes organizing it, preparing from all over the world. | ||
| So yeah, he doesn't have anything to back that up on. | ||
| It's just clearly a reference to the call that he got from the day before that he's integrated now into his... | ||
| Factual-based reporting. | ||
| I mean, I would bet pretty confidently that the United States hasn't printed 60 million green cards in its existence. | ||
| That's an interesting question. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| But they had him ready to go for after the election. | ||
| For after the election. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Man, it was crazy how that worked out, too. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So Alex has this sort of racist idea about, you know, you bring in all these immigrants and then they will all vote for Democrat stuff. | ||
| Which is an assumption that's faulty on its face, even. | ||
| Like, it's a dumb... | ||
| Dumb way to engage with the voting dynamics. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's no reason to assume that immigrants who come in will automatically vote for Democrats. | ||
| Other than if you're assuming that your own party would never help them. | ||
| True. | ||
| The real assumption there is we're never going to do anything for immigrants. | ||
| I think that there's a projection of that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| But, you know, he believes that you're going to end up in a situation where there's actually just strict democracy. | ||
| And when you have democracy, 51 people voting to murder 49. The tyranny of the majority. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And in sort of defending his racist ideas about what will happen to our voting, he ends up talking about Greek democracy. | ||
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Uh-oh. | |
| And he unfortunately ends up working my side of the street. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Get up. | ||
| No! | ||
| Alex! | ||
| Run! | ||
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Run! | |
| You're always talking about Latin America because that's the majority. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
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Asia. | |
| East, Africa, it's just a flood, an absolute flood, and then huge government trough, or mammaries, milkies, with taxpayer money. | ||
| Milkies? | ||
| Milkies? | ||
| Don't say that. | ||
| It's just total robbery. | ||
| Two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. | ||
| The problem with pure democracy is in Greece they had pure democracy in some of the city-states and they would have one bucket of black rocks and one bucket of white rocks and then the establishment higher class order was allowed to vote. | ||
| You could be voting to their club. | ||
| That was the first democracy. | ||
| It was more like an oligarchy. | ||
| And they would call them up and they would say, yeah, we think this philosopher has been rude to us. | ||
| We're going to have a vote on throwing him off the cliff. | ||
| Or sometimes we're going to make him drink Hemlock. | ||
| These are real cases. | ||
| And then they would vote. | ||
| They'd say, yep, there are ten more black rocks than there are white rocks, so we do not vote to kill you. | ||
| Oh, there are seven more white rocks than there are black rocks. | ||
| Those are a yes vote. | ||
| We're going to throw you off the cliff. | ||
| Guards, march him up to that 1,000-foot parapet and throw him off. | ||
| Alex doesn't really have a good grasp on what Greek democracy looked like in the era he's talking about. | ||
| Just to give a preemptive caveat, Greece at the time was a bunch of different city-states, and many of them operated quite differently. | ||
| So what I'm going to get into isn't a representation of the picture of actual, like, pan-Hellenic politics. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Also, just to leave aside this thing... | ||
| Spoiler alert, he's just talking about Athens. | ||
| But also, there's also an important fact that women and enslaved persons couldn't vote. | ||
| And sometimes this inability to vote would be passed on generationally. | ||
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Great. | |
| And sometimes inability to vote had to do with debt that you had. | ||
| Good stuff. | ||
| So, you know. | ||
| Tyranny of the majority. | ||
| Take this with a grain of salt. | ||
| Oh, wait. | ||
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I would almost argue it's a tyranny of the minority. | |
| So Alex is just talking about Athenian issues here. | ||
| He doesn't have any idea about anything else that was going on in any other city-state. | ||
| He can tell this because of the use of some specific words that he's using that are very clear indicators of where the ideas are coming from. | ||
| The sentence of being thrown off a cliff or drinking poison were means of capital punishment, but because Alex uses the term hemlock, you can kind of get the picture. | ||
| That's where the knowledge begins and ends. | ||
| Athenian democracy was rooted in a system of largely independent entities. | ||
| There was the boule, which was a body that included representatives from all the tribes in Athens. | ||
| Then there was the ecclesia, which was kind of like our Senate. | ||
| In fact, they argued laws. | ||
| Right, so the boule is the globalists. | ||
| Maybe the House of Representatives. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I mean, that's a bad analogy, but, you know. | ||
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I gotcha. | |
| So they had the ecclesia, which is sort of like a legal arguing body, and then there was the dicasteria, which was the judiciary, more or less. | ||
| In addition to this, Athens had a tripartite executive branch, with three archons forming a council that presided over the city-state. | ||
| There was the polymarcos, who was in charge of the military issues of the state, the eponymous archon, who was the chief legal figure, And then Basileos, who did a bit of the religious pomp in that sort of world. | ||
| These positions were not democratically elected, as we understand them, as they were always members of the aristocracy. | ||
| And there wasn't a legitimate vote that put anyone into the position of being archon. | ||
| If Alex were talking about elections of archons as being something that was really just a function of the in-crowd and the oligarchy, that would be fair. | ||
| But that's not really true of the broader popular votes that would take place within Athenian democracy. | ||
| There were many things that all male, non-slave, non-indebted Athenians could vote on in just the way that Alex is describing, with colored rocks or often broken pieces of pottery called ostraca. | ||
| It is true that there are a lot of things, like proposed laws, that Athenians were allowed to vote on, but the specific stuff that Alex is talking about, those weren't... | ||
| Public votes. | ||
| Like, he's very clearly talking about Socrates, and his trial was carried out by the Dicasteria. | ||
| Like, Socrates stood accused of crimes against the state, so his trial was a little bit more serious. | ||
| But there were often votes related to ostracism, like where someone could end up getting banished from the city-state by a vote. | ||
| The term ostracism comes from the ostraca, the broken pieces of pottery. | ||
| This was a process, though, that was initiated by the Ecclesia, and then voted on by all voting-eligible public, so that might be what... | ||
| Alex is conflating. | ||
| The ability to ostracize someone from the city-state is being conflated with Socrates' trial where he was sentenced to death. | ||
| I'm being a little bit pedantic, but the point is that Alex is using this very flawed understanding of Athenian democracy to uphold his stupid and racist ideas about modern voting and immigration, which I think it makes it important to talk about a little bit. | ||
| If there's someone with an actual background in something from history that implicates current day issues, it's usually a good idea to consider what they're saying, and that's the very thing that Alex is trying to hijack here. | ||
| He's trying to pretend that he knows things about history that give him a better understanding of things happening in the present, but everything he's talking about is really surface level at best and wrong at worst. | ||
| Yeah, it seems like he's learned literally everything from a movie. | ||
| Yeah, or just maybe someone telling him a story about Socrates. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| It's basically like, you know... | ||
| Somebody told him a story about Socrates and was like, I did read The Republic, didn't I? | ||
| Yeah, or The Apology would be the one about the trial. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But like, yeah, it's kind of like the level of knowledge that you get from Rogan. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I got high. | ||
| I was talking... | ||
| And then I decided to remember that for the rest of my life as being true. | ||
| Yeah, so I think that there's just a bad grasp of history that Alex is using to apply to his own racialized fears. | ||
| And then he just gets even more messy in terms of history. | ||
| March him up to that thousand foot parapet and throw him off. | ||
| For corrupting the youth, criticizing the government. | ||
| Most of the philosophers that got killed, a large percentage of them did get killed, the thinkers. | ||
| A large percentage? | ||
| And they would either have you drink hemlock or throw you off of a cliff. | ||
| And they would vote on that. | ||
| And that's pure democracy. | ||
| That's why it's the howl of democracy. | ||
| This absolutely isn't true. | ||
| Most philosophers in ancient Greece, or Athens, because that's what Alex is talking about, weren't killed. | ||
| Alex is just talking about Socrates and pretending that he has a larger understanding of Greek social politics. | ||
| In college, Ancient Greek was one of my minors, and one semester was just translating Plato. | ||
| I read the Apology in English before, like in high school, and I understood the broad strokes of it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| but translating the original text was pretty eye-opening as an experience. | ||
| For one thing, in many English translations, it doesn't come across fully how much Socrates was absolutely begging them to kill him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Not in the sense that he was suicidal, but just that he was such a cocky asshole that he was showing as much respect for that Yeah, literally most of it, if I recall correctly, was them being like, please, just go away or shut up. | |
| And he's like, you'll have to kill me. | ||
| And they're like, no, we don't want to! | ||
| Yeah, I mean, notably, one of the suggestions that he has for a punishment is like, you guys feed me for the rest of my life. | ||
| Exactly, yeah. | ||
| All right, well, we're going to kill you. | ||
| All right, you're a dick. | ||
| One of the other things that really stood out was exactly what dynamics existed that were leading to his trial in the first place. | ||
| One of them was obviously the charge of corrupting the minds of the youth by way of questioning the official religious views of the state. | ||
| However, there were other issues. | ||
| For instance, Socrates was super opposed to democracy, feeling instead that the ones who knew best deserve to rule. | ||
| That theme is carried out in his pupil Plato's text, The Republic. | ||
| So in terms of what Alex is talking about, like the opposition to the state, it's opposition to the things that Alex is pretending. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say, Socrates was more like the philosopher king. | ||
| King-style appreciator. | ||
| Certainly through the pen of Plato. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We get that. | ||
| So there's also a political aspect to the trial, as Socrates was an associate of a group of oligarchs called the Thirty Tyrants. | ||
| These dudes were pieces of shit, and they presided over the killing of between 5% to 10% of the Athenian population in a very short rule that they had that was less than a year. | ||
| Jesus! | ||
| There was an uprising that took them out of power in 403 BC, and four years later is when Socrates was tried and sentenced. | ||
| Socrates, who is such a friend of his that one of Socrates' dialogues is named after him, and he appears in at least two others. | ||
| Whether deserved or not, the public was not hot on people who were friends with the 30 after their ouster, and that may have played some part in the targeting of Socrates for trial. | ||
| Even so, according to the apology and the later dialogue credo, Socrates could totally have not been a dick at trial and been given a lighter sentence, or he could have escaped to exile. | ||
| People were very willing to not kill him. | ||
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Just go away. | |
| Just go away! | ||
| Most Greek philosophers weren't killed by the state. | ||
| For instance, Plato and Aristotle both died of natural causes. | ||
| Epicurus died of a urinary stone and Heraclitus died from dropsy. | ||
| This is an example of Alex's, one of his favorite tricks, and that's that he takes a little piece of trivia that he knows about one thing and then he pretends it applies to a broader context and then he presents that as truth to his audience. | ||
| I'm sure it's fun for him and it kind of probably feels like improv, but it's just lying. | ||
| The notion that... | ||
| People who were philosophies, who were thinkers, who questioned the state, were put to death in Athens. | ||
| It's not really held up by... | ||
| Some of the more notable and larger philosophers of the time. | ||
| I mean, I was surprised to read that they shot Epictetus out of a trebuchet into the sun. | ||
| That was a surprise to me. | ||
| To be fair. | ||
| Because he was pretty cool. | ||
| He was just a stoic dude. | ||
| He consented to that. | ||
| It was a scientific experiment. | ||
| It was pretty cool. | ||
| Archimedes. | ||
| To see if it could be done. | ||
| Now, that's not to say that throughout history there haven't been people who were like revolutionary thinkers that were maligned for their revolutionary thought. | ||
| But the way that Alex is trying to present this as it relates to philosophers in the city-state of Athens is not fair. | ||
| He's just making shit up because he knows a little bit about Socrates. | ||
| Totally. | ||
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Which I think is fun. | |
| Anyway, let's get back to Alex being racist. | ||
| It's also about a divide and conquer, the old Tower of Babel story. | ||
| Where there were so many nationalities from so many countries that moved there, none of them could communicate anymore, and basically things fell apart. | ||
| It's one thing if you're in India, and it's 95% Indians. | ||
| It's a culture, you can adopt it, you know what it is. | ||
| You're in China, 90-something percent are Chinese. | ||
| You can adopt it, you can learn to navigate it. | ||
| Or Mexico, you go down there, 90-something percent are Mexican. | ||
| You can get it, get into it. | ||
| I mean, I like other cultures, but when it becomes a Star Wars space bar, like Walgreens was last night, I mean, I walked in this Walgreens, and it was like... | ||
| I mean, it was like a gallery of every country in the world. | ||
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Cool! | |
| Rounded the corner, you know, looking for children's Tylenol and getting some bottled water. | ||
| Some chapstick. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So when there's minorities around, it's like the Mos Eisley Cantina. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| First off, that was a bar. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| It was also the most wretched den of scum and villainy. | ||
| Well, yeah, but it's chill. | ||
| Sure, somebody lost an arm, but that's fine. | ||
| That's just a good bar. | ||
| The characterization of it is it's awful. | ||
| Yeah, but that's from Obi-Wan's point of view. | ||
| He was a real stick in the mud. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| I like that Alex went for the second stanza of Figurin Dan's. | ||
| He didn't stop there! | ||
| Nope, nope. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Really had to go for that swingin' jizz music, Dan. | ||
| Pretty fucked up. | ||
| I can't... | ||
| How is... | ||
| You know what's really... | ||
| What kind of insane person is like, this Walgreens reminds me of the Mos Eisley Cantina? | ||
| Because of how many non-whites are here. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yes, that's an insane person thing to think. | ||
| Well, I mean, think about it. | ||
| It's so similar to Joe Rogan's comments that have come back up again. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Talking about going to see Planet of the Apes in a non-white neighborhood. | ||
| Also, we just talked about the Tower of Babel. | ||
| Dan, you're a witch. | ||
| Am I? | ||
| Yeah, we just talked about the Tower of Babel. | ||
| On this episode? | ||
| No, not on this episode. | ||
| On our previous episode. | ||
| Remember how you get into space? | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Breaking into space. | ||
| I forgot about that. | ||
| That's how stupid a world we live in. | ||
| Breaking into space wasn't even a headline. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Breaking my glass ceiling. | ||
| That's what it was. | ||
| Yeah, so this is fucked. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| That's just insane. | ||
| Especially because, again, I have never associated Mos Eisley with any kind of racial component. | ||
| I was just like, oh, it's... | ||
| And also, that's the cool part of space. | ||
| There's everywhere. | ||
| Everybody's from aliens everywhere. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| That's what I got excited about when I was a kid. | ||
| I grew up thinking about how cool it was to meet all these aliens. | ||
| It seems also... | ||
| Leaving that aside, I don't disagree with you. | ||
| But leaving that aside, I also think that Alex is largely... | ||
| Expressing support for ethnostates. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| He is strictly a... | ||
| I'm not a white supremacist. | ||
| I'm a white nationalist. | ||
| And a black nationalist. | ||
| Because race is not a construct, Dan. | ||
| Every group, every race should have their own state. | ||
| Because if you have two... | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| I don't understand how he can defend himself against these accusations of you are a white nation. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| You want a white nation. | ||
| You got scared because there were... | ||
| Too many non-white people. | ||
| And what I find really interesting, too, is the distinction between this, like, when he was talking about the Muslims in the pool supply shop, that was just sort of like, he doesn't like to see indications that Muslim people can actually engage in culture normally, just like everybody else. | ||
| That was threatening to him in terms of that function of integration. | ||
| Wait, integration is possible? | ||
| No! | ||
| That's threatening. | ||
| This is a little different. | ||
| Even in as much as it's like, it's not about seeing a lot of one group. | ||
| It's about seeing... | ||
| A lot of different groups. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Individuals of different groups congregating together? | ||
| That's wrong. | ||
| That's what's really weird about it is the number of different groups is something that in and of itself is weird and threatening to them. | ||
| That's bizarre. | ||
| This would be legitimately if like... | ||
| In Star Wars, Luke walks into the Mos Eisley canteen and he's like, segregation now! | ||
| Segregation forever! | ||
| Like, what are you doing? | ||
| Yeah, it's very weird. | ||
| Insane! | ||
| So, Alex gets a call about voter ID laws. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And this is fairly interesting. | ||
| I should say that a large portion of this show that I just haven't even caught clips of, because it's kind of... | ||
| It almost bores me as a position that Alex has, but it's very much in support of voter ID laws. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Very much like, this is how we're going to get rid of voter fraud. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Voter fraud, yeah. | ||
| And so this call struck me as bizarre. | ||
|
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I went in and voted today for what good it's worth, and I live in a little town called Fort St. Lucie, Florida, just on the East Coast, north and west of Palm. | |
| And when I went in there, just out of curiosity, now don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with the ID thing. | ||
| And I even had my ID out. | ||
| But when I went in there, I asked them, I said, they said, okay, we need to see your driver's license. | ||
| I said, okay, can you show me the Florida law that says, you know, you have to have it. | ||
| And he says, well, I don't know the law, but the law is, you know, you can't vote here unless you have a photo form of ID. | ||
| And he said, my guidelines are, and I interrupted him, I said, well, your guidelines do not supersede. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| It's important to train everybody that you're going to show me the law and you're going to be specific about it so that these people start learning to actually look at the law. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| So now it's defiance against voter ID laws is being encouraged. | ||
| This is weird. | ||
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Well, I mean, think about it. | |
| Really, the Walgreens example is so fucking telling, right? | ||
| Because here's another thing that you could have in the Walgreens, right? | ||
| All white people. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| It's all white people in the Walgreens. | ||
| But there's one person from Ireland who doesn't speak English. | ||
| He only speaks Gaelic. | ||
| There's one person from Sweden who doesn't speak English. | ||
| But because they all look white, and if they're not talking, Alex will go in there and be like, this is not multicultural at all. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And in the same way, the voter ID laws... | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| You just look at his face. | ||
| He's white. | ||
| You don't need an ID. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's white. | ||
| So he's an American. | ||
| I think the assumption... | ||
| Is that Alex believes himself to be talking to a white caller. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so it's not such a big deal that this person needs to be subject to voter ID. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| 100% the case. | ||
| But it's so glaring that most of the show has been so in support of voter ID laws. | ||
| And then this, where this guy is saying, like, you have to show me the law where it says I have to show my ID or whatever. | ||
| It's just absurd. | ||
| Yeah, it's disorienting. | ||
| You're just an absurd person. | ||
| But unsurprisingly, immediately after this exchange with this caller, the caller gets deeply racist. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Well, your guidelines do not supersede our law. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| It's important to train everybody that you're going to show me the law and you're going to be specific about it so that these people start learning to actually look at the law. | ||
| You're right. | ||
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Right. | |
| And then I said, well, if I was a piece of shit, I'm sorry, what? | ||
| Yeah, I'm not surprised. | ||
| I'm not surprised. | ||
| That's a jaw-droppingly racist thing to yell. | ||
| That is like, ooh. | ||
| Here you go. | ||
| I'm going to have you vote on this ballot. | ||
| It's an empty page. | ||
| Full 16 lines notebook. | ||
| It's gonna be great. | ||
| You get a special ballot. | ||
| You get a real special ballot and you just have to go to the center of the ocean to catch it. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That is nuts. | ||
| Saying that out loud twice! | ||
| Twice! | ||
| And it's totally normal on Alex's show. | ||
| It's not something that causes him to be like, look, fuck you. | ||
| Did he say something? | ||
| Did he say, how dare you? | ||
| Certainly didn't condemn. | ||
| No. | ||
| So, mail-in voting comes up, which we know that Alex believes is the scourge of our electoral system. | ||
| And seemed to have too much of a problem with it in 2014. | ||
| Odd. | ||
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I was calling about the, you know, the The voting thing, you know? | |
| And up here in Oregon, they just send us the ballots in the mail. | ||
| So there is no polling stations or any of that kind of stuff. | ||
| I mean, I don't know why they don't do that everywhere. | ||
| Well, the Oregon's already kind of taken over with the socialist game. | ||
| But what's funny is that then they do some good things. | ||
| There's some sensible things that liberals do, like GMO labeling and animal welfare, common sense stuff. | ||
| So they get all the compassionate, well-meaning people working for their team, not knowing they're helping bring down the drawbridge. | ||
| Good to hear from you, Jam. | ||
| It seems very weird. | ||
| I don't know if he is disputing what this guy is saying about Malin voting, but he definitely doesn't have the same sort of passion behind it. | ||
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No, no. | |
| I think that's a function of it's not a huge talking point in 2014. | ||
| It's not the right wing's... | ||
| Last salvo to prove that the election was stolen. | ||
| It's so funny to me how often he's telling on himself and the GOP with just that like, well, see, they get all the compassionate and helpful people. | ||
| And you're like, you realize what you just said, right? | ||
| The inverse of that is you. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Do you realize that you said they get all the compassionate and helpful people? | ||
| And then you, on the GOP, you attract the maligning and evil and misanthropic. | ||
| So Alex gets another call, and it's a guy who sells iodine, just like Alex. | ||
| And I thought this was a really boring call until it picks up really, really fast. | ||
| Will in Virginia, what's your take on election 2014? | ||
| A major realignment? | ||
| Or just more business as usual? | ||
| And what do you expect the Lord and Savior, Obama, Lord Obama, Lord Ebola, what do you expect him to do after he's a lame duck and he's got that pardon power? | ||
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Well, I have two points if I could, Alex. | |
| I'm a naturopathic doctor in Virginia, and I don't know, also in a small company, Zoetix. | ||
| We make nanotubra-based products. | ||
| But basically, I want to say that... | ||
| Your X2 and your DNA force, we've been having amazing results with those. | ||
| The DNA force helping with epilepsy patients, coupled with their change in diet and detox in the body, but also the X2, just amazing what it's able to do to actually repair the thyroid and not only protect it, we're seeing young kids reverse homosexuality over a course of six to nine months. | ||
| I'm taking higher doses than you guys recommend, so it's great stuff. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| So apparently this naturopathic doctor is calling into Alex's show to say that megadosing on X2 has reversed homosexuality. | ||
| Hey, doctor, I'm having some problems. | ||
| Can you prescribe me something? | ||
| Well, Alex Jones recommends this. | ||
| It's not a prescription. | ||
| Great, great, great, great. | ||
| Yeah, this is shit. | ||
| Alex's supplements can reverse homosexuality. | ||
| Now, here's my question. | ||
| Why does it take six to nine months, Stan? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What in the chemical needs to take that requires six to nine months? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| What part of the iodine or the zinc requires six to nine months to activate? | ||
| I feel like I was just playing this clip. | ||
| I don't think it needs to be discussed or picked apart. | ||
| I think it speaks for itself, quite frankly. | ||
| This is real shit. | ||
| Yeah, that's real fucking shit. | ||
| So, here's another clip where Alex is sort of, again, condemning his future self. | ||
| This has to do with a headline that he has kept reading over the course of the show, and that is a comment from an ex-Nixon aide who thinks that the GOP would be unwise to deal with a tea party. | ||
| Now, it's not Roger. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| It's John Huntsman. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But... | ||
| Alex does end up saying something about the people who worked with Nixon. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Kind of funny in hindsight. | ||
| If the polls hold, 2014 should be a banner year for Republicans. | ||
| But John Huntsman Sr., a self-described lifelong Republican and former special assistant to President Richard Nixon, is looking ahead with concern about the grand old party's 2016 prospects. | ||
| The Tea Party has completely captivated and ruined the Republican Party. | ||
| Oh, you're scared, aren't you? | ||
| Today, and they'll show this in 2016, says Huntsman, author of Barefoot to Billionaire. | ||
| Unless a Jeb Bush comes in or a John Huntsman Jr., the Republicans don't have a prayer. | ||
| Please clap. | ||
| Unless your son saves us. | ||
| How disgusting to have one of these Nixonian slimeballs, one of these country club Republicans. | ||
| I mean, boy, was Richard Nixon a racist, too. | ||
| This whole crowd. | ||
| That's when you got horrible communist socialist Democrats that are racist. | ||
| You got all these old racist white people that are helping destroy the country. | ||
| I mean, it's just a bunch of scum. | ||
| Yeah, fuck all these people who worked with Nixon. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Now, in a couple years, my best friend, who will lead my show down a bizarre direction, is a... | ||
| The Nixon guy. | ||
| Who will also turn into an indictment of you bitching about what's Obama gonna do with his pardon power? | ||
| Oh, true. | ||
| True. | ||
| Yeah, that guy has Nixon tattooed on his back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Enjoy. | ||
| Alex. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You're... | ||
| Looking at his past episodes just makes everything that's happened so stupid. | ||
| So stupid. | ||
| So dumb. | ||
| Makes the whole world really stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So now we get to the third hour, and that means the most important man in the world is about to show up. | ||
| I can't believe I've forgotten that he was going to be on the show. | ||
| We did get sidetracked a bit by that Raw Story article. | ||
|
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Tucker Carlson's coming up with The Daily Caller. | |
| Say what you want about Tucker Carlson, but I've said good things and bad things over the years. | ||
| He's an interesting guy. | ||
| He's got a great website. | ||
| A lot of good libertarian Americana ideas. | ||
| A lot of breaking news. | ||
| Drudge loves it, obviously. | ||
| It's on there every day. | ||
| Oh, this is before Drudge was a bad guy, apparently. | ||
| Or maybe he's a good guy again. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| He hadn't been transformed into the traitorous traitor that he is now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| By Hillary. | ||
| Yeah, oh, Hillary. | ||
| So, one of the things that I find really fascinating about this interview between Alex and Tucker is that I think Tucker says some fairly prescient shit, but in the wrong way. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| This first clip is, I think, looking back, can't really argue with it. | ||
| Well, first, hey Alex, thanks for having me. | ||
| Second, I think the story over the next... | ||
| There's a lot of movement just beneath the surface in American politics, I think in American society, I think globally, actually. | ||
| And that's evidence that things are realigning. | ||
| And we're right in the middle of it, so it's hard to see. | ||
| It's hard to step back and get perspective on what's happening. | ||
| But the world is going to look a lot different in two years. | ||
| assumptions now that Hillary Clinton is going to run against Jeb Bush, I think all of them will be proven wrong in the end as people start to move to places politically they never thought they would be. | ||
| Really hard to argue with that. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| The next two years are going to be chaos. | ||
| People are going to politically move to places that they never imagined they would be. | ||
| Yeah, that's a very... | ||
| Correct assessment of what happened with Alex, for sure. | ||
| That's also one of my big problems with Tucker Carlson, is he could not be more aware of how evil he is. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, with Alex, we can always walk that stupid-be-evil continuum, and Tucker is clearly a brilliant psychopath. | ||
| Well, there's that, um... | ||
| I think it was an interview he did with Dave Rubin where he was talking about how he lies. | ||
| He's aware of this shit. | ||
| He knows what he's doing. | ||
| He knows exactly what he's doing. | ||
| And to your point, I think this next clip that I actually think is really prescient too is another indication of his awareness of what he's doing in the present. | ||
| We saw what Ben Stein on Fox News saying he's the most racist president ever. | ||
| I don't know if I agree with that, but he certainly has race baited and used race more than any president in recent history. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| What do you think about it? | ||
| I have no idea what's in his heart. | ||
| I have no idea what his true beliefs are, but it's very clear. | ||
| They've made it as clear as it's ever been in the last two weeks that they're willing to use race to divide the country and get out the vote and use race. | ||
| You know, out to the polls. | ||
| And I think it's effective. | ||
| It works. | ||
| Fear works. | ||
| It works for me, by the way. | ||
| I'm motivated. | ||
| When I'm afraid, it motivates me. | ||
| I think human beings are all that way. | ||
| But in the case of racial division, there's a consequence that lasts far beyond Election Day. | ||
| You stoke people up along racial lines, you get ethnic politics. | ||
| And look around the world. | ||
| You've traveled. | ||
| Oh, really, Tucker? | ||
| I mean, that's his business model. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the recognition of being aware of the consequences of engaging that way is pretty damning. | ||
| And then also recognizing that he knows this is an effective way to do shit. | ||
| I mean, just that. | ||
| Listen, racial politics, that's going to be a thing. | ||
| Cut to. | ||
| Now I'm going to do a three-part series on George Soros. | ||
| That will not be anti-Semitic at all. | ||
| Certainly not. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Yeah, I'm going to use a video that's selectively edited, shot by Harrison Smith, to argue that white people can't get monoclonal antibodies. | ||
| I mean, just so fucking... | ||
| It really is amazing when you stop and do, like Tucker Carlson, step back, and you think, I am shocked that human beings behave like this. | ||
| It's almost like... | ||
| What? | ||
| Why? | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| What are we doing that you can be aware that you're destroying the world? | ||
| Were there not real consequences to people's lives, I think it would be... | ||
| Academically, incredibly interesting to see why do you do this. | ||
| Yeah, why? | ||
| It can't be money. | ||
| It can't just be money. | ||
| You're killing everyone. | ||
| You're murdering millions of people. | ||
| It can't just be money. | ||
| I mean, he could have quit at any point and been set for the rest of his life. | ||
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Forever! | |
| He didn't need any of this and he could have been set for the rest of his life. | ||
| It seems really bizarre to imagine that the primary motivation would be money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I believe... | ||
| Through the course of this, and through just awareness of other things that Tucker's said in other interviews that he's done in the past, I think he's a piece of shit. | ||
| I think he's actually a really bad person, and a lot of the politics that he's expressing now are actually things that he believes. | ||
| This white nationalist nonsense that he does on his show, I do believe that there's an opportunistic aspect of it that is like, hey... | ||
| It's now okay to do this show. | ||
| For sure, for sure. | ||
| I think that there is that, and if the tide ever became such that it wasn't appropriate, he would change to something else. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Like how he was a neocon supporting the Iraq war, when these kinds of conversations absolutely were not socially acceptable. | ||
| Oh, good God, no. | ||
| And I think he would do that, but at the same time, I think deep down he's a real racist asshole. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| That's another thing. | ||
| Why is shit the fucking same? | ||
| Jon Stewart just came out and he's like, you need to engage with people. | ||
| And the first thought I have is, oh, you famously engaged with Tucker Carlson. | ||
| And everybody was like, oh, you destroyed him. | ||
| You kicked his ass. | ||
| He'll never work again. | ||
|
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His show got canceled. | |
| Yeah, he'll never work again. | ||
| And how did that work out? | ||
| Well, I think that there's even other... | ||
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Yeah, there's a shit ton for Jon Stewart. | |
| But I think that at its core, I think that his advice about that or his comments about Rogan aren't necessarily like... | ||
| The dumbest thing. | ||
| I just think it's a little bit like... | ||
| They're far dumber. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Maybe like, eh, that's not going to really help. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, hey, you remember on the 3rd, November 3rd, we heard a description of what losers do. | ||
| Yes, I do remember that. | ||
| See if you think this sounds like a loser. | ||
| Let's hear it. | ||
| We're seeing kind of libertarian, patriot-type, paleoconservative sites like DrudgeReport.com, DailyCaller.com, and others rising in a climate of where pretty much all the Democratic Party-type sites. | ||
| We see precipitous drops. | ||
| To the point they've now rigged Alexa to show our ratings dropping while our internal ratings show were skyrocketing. | ||
| It's almost like one of the hallmarks of being a loser is pretending that all your shit's going sky high and everybody else is falling apart. | ||
| It seems a lot like a loser would say that. | ||
| Yeah, according to Alex at least. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So I noticed something, and it's really boring. | ||
| That is that most of this interview seems to be shitting on the media. | ||
| That's about it. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| That's a very large piece of it. | ||
| 15 years ago, NBC News was a big deal. | ||
| It was respected. | ||
| People expected that they would do diligence when they said things. | ||
| Now, it's like, yeah, whatever. | ||
| It's MSNBC. | ||
| They're crazy. | ||
| It's the Leon Trotsky channel. | ||
| Nobody cares. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, there really isn't an expectation that they're accurate in the first place. | ||
| So it's not as big a deal. | ||
| But then, Daily Caller can have millions of visitors every day. | ||
| Infowars.com can have that. | ||
| This talk radio show has conservatively, and it's a small show compared to a lot of them, 3 million people a day. | ||
| You count YouTube and stuff every week. | ||
| It's like 15 to 18 million people. | ||
| Tune in or watch. | ||
| And then you look at CNN and others, and they're just still... | ||
| You've been inside there so much. | ||
| Are they really arrogant, or is it a front, Tucker? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Oh, the arrogance is bone deep. | ||
| So it really feels weird to listen to this interview where these dudes are just talking about how awful the mainstream media is. | ||
| Well, they pretend that they both have almost comically large conflicts of interest on the subject. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Alex is someone who will never be invited back on any show because he can't control himself and starts screaming at people whenever he's allowed on any TV show. | ||
| He's a hostile, abusive asshole who ramps up his intensity in order to turn an interview into a publicity stunt every time. | ||
| It's a tacky and desperate strategy, and folks other than Rogan have caught on to that dynamic, so Alex has a real chip on his shoulder about the media and how no one wants him around. | ||
| On the other side, Tucker seems to be pretending that he wasn't let go by both CNN and MSNBC prior to his time at Fox. | ||
| At CNN, like you brought up, this disastrous Crossfire interview with Jon Stewart led to the show being cancelled, Tucker being publicly humiliated, and then CNN deciding not to renew his contract. | ||
| His MSNBC show got cancelled for having low ratings and got replaced by Rachel Maddow. | ||
| And look, Tucker is a fucking thirsty asshole in terms of public approval and attention. | ||
| After MSNBC... | ||
| But before Fox, he went on Dancing with the Stars, which isn't something that a person who has a legitimate... | ||
| companies that's not what they would do who wouldn't go on dancing with the stars no they'd go on the masked singer we all know this also he was the first celebrity kicked off that season hey there's an unspoken reason that these two guys shouldn't necessarily be considered the most unbiased sources on the media and that's not even considering that they're both people who have a deep financial incentive to demonize the media alex's show only really has a reason to exist if the media sucks and tucker's daily caller also benefits from people becoming disillusioned with actual | ||
| Overall, though, I was pretty surprised to find this interview was so much about just bashing the media. | ||
| Like, it's supposed to be election day coverage, but instead of a lot of hypothetical coverage about how the media's gonna cover things. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I bet they're gonna say this. | ||
| It's really stupid. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| No, that's compelling radio. | ||
| I find it to be, um, a dud. | ||
| I bet this is how the Democrats are gonna lie. | ||
| A made-up thing that I said, and you know what? | ||
| Tomorrow, I'm gonna say they did. | ||
| So here we get a little bit of election talk. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But it also is a little bit racist. | ||
| I think we become political animals, like I did 20 years ago, like you did 30 years ago, for basic survival. | ||
| You either get involved... | ||
| Or we will basically go into a pure democracy where hordes of illegals will vote away our freedoms. | ||
| Well, that appears to be, I mean, there's no doubt. | ||
| I mean, as someone who grew up in California and looks back at that state when I grew up in it, I'm not that old. | ||
| That state was the richest out of 50, and the nicest, had great schools, excellent emphasis, and it was pretty reasonable, you know, politically. | ||
| Now it's a one-party state that's literally crumbling and has more property than any other state. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Well, there's only one thing that changed, and that's the composition of the population in California because of immigration. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| So here we see even more proto-Great Replacement conspiracy talking points just casually thrown out by Alex and Tucker. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| As much as it's important to recognize how much of a piece of shit Alex is, and that's the theme of our show, more or less, Tucker is more than on board with this whole thing about immigrants voting away his precious white freedoms. | ||
| As for California being a one-party state, it's fair to say that the state generally swings to the left, but just a few years prior to this, the governor of the state was Arnold Schwarzenegger, who's a Republican. | ||
| The state is considered a safe bet for Democrats in the general presidential election, but that wasn't the case in fairly recent history. | ||
| Republicans carried the state in every election from 1968 to 1990. | ||
| Elected representatives are mostly Democrats, but there's still plenty of Republicans in the state assembly as well as the state senate. | ||
| There are even 10 members of the House of Representatives from California who are Republican, including the minority leader Kevin McCarthy. | ||
| The logic just doesn't work to make this about immigration either, because the exact dynamic you see in California where most officials are Democrats, but there are a number of Republicans in there too, that exists in the reverse in Texas. | ||
| Most elected officials are Republican, but there are some Democrats. | ||
| Just like California. | ||
| And it borders Mexico, just like California, with a bunch of immigrants. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This legitimately is just white grievance obsession being treated as if it's actual politics, and it's something that Tucker's been on board with and arguing in favor of since before Trump was around and before he even got a show on Fox. | ||
| I still think Tucker's a fraud, but like I was saying, I think he means a lot of this racist shit. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| I do think that... | ||
| You know, like, if he was not, it became unacceptable to do his White Power Hour show that he does now. | ||
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Right. | |
| Like, he would go away for a little while and he'd repackage, like a wrestler who his gimmick just decided, this isn't going to work anymore, let's try a new character for you. | ||
| That's what you do. | ||
| But underneath, I do think that Erase a Shoe would still exist. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, it would be even more prescient and nice. | ||
| For both Alex and Tucker to have just been like, and hey, listen, what I believe doesn't matter, I'll say whatever, and how crazy is the media? | ||
| They're just gonna keep hiring me. | ||
| I'm just a name that they're going to hire for no reason. | ||
| I am not that talented, I don't have any ability, and I'm a terrifying psychopath. | ||
| And until fairly recently, Tucker Carlson was most known as a punchline who wore a bow tie and got humiliated by Jon Stewart. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I don't understand why he has purchase in any kind of job market. | ||
| Well, I mean, traditionally, white aristocrats land pretty well. | ||
| Yeah, I guess so. | ||
| So, Alex plays a clip of Obama being actually, I think, pretty witty. | ||
| And Alex believes that this is Obama telling people, hey, you gotta get out there and vote multiple times. | ||
| You gotta get out there and just keep voting. | ||
| Vote all the time. | ||
| You gotta. | ||
| I want to play this clip of Obama last week where I think he's hinting for people to vote repeatedly. | ||
| But regardless of that's what he's doing, that's what's going on. | ||
| Let's play the clip. | ||
|
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And because early voting runs through this Friday, you don't have to wait until Election Day. | |
| You can vote all week. | ||
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I mean, you can only vote once. | |
| it's in chicago now I'm teasing Chicago. | ||
| I'm messing with you. | ||
| Yeah, he's messing with us. | ||
| What do you make of that statement, and then what do you make of the real-world evidence of fraud coming out? | ||
| Well, there's an awful lot of fraud, and a lot of it, amazingly, nobody seems to care about. | ||
| I mean, let me just make the obvious point, that there is no justification for opposing voter ID laws except to abet voter fraud. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
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So Tucker isn't that stupid as to think that the only reason you could oppose Yeah, no. | |
| He's not that dumb. | ||
| That's just cover for his actual position, which is that he wants to disenfranchise non-white people from their right to vote. | ||
| There have been many studies about how discrimination is baked into many of the various voter ID requirements that states have implemented. | ||
| One of the main ways this was achieved was by making seemingly arbitrary decisions about what forms of ID would be considered valid for voting, with states like North Carolina allowing various types of ID that were disproportionately held by white voters and not allowing ones that were disproportionately held by non-white voters. | ||
| Studies have been done that also have shown that voter ID laws are not applied universally and have a discriminatory bias in how they're enforced. | ||
| There was a Caltech MIT study done about the application of voter ID laws. | ||
| What? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Tucker understands all this shit, but in order to make his position socially acceptable to hold, he has to pretend that he doesn't understand any of this, and that voter ID requirements are perfectly fair, perfectly effective as a means of stopping in-person voter fraud, which also basically doesn't ever happen. | ||
| In the real world. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| According to the ACLU, between 2000 and 2017, quote, there were only 31 credible allegations of voter impersonation, the only type of fraud that photo IDs could prevent, during a period of time in which over 1 billion ballots were cast. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And even these credible allegations are often just honest mistakes people made, as opposed to attempts to actually illegally vote. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is a non-existent problem that Tucker and Alex are trying to solve because the solution they're advocating actually serves their real agenda, which is disenfranchising the voting rights of non-white Americans. | ||
| That's basically the whole song and dance. | ||
| If someone were truly dumb or uninformed on issues... | ||
| Then I might believe that they've heard somebody say that there's no reason to oppose voter ID laws except for if you want to abet voter fraud. | ||
| So let me explain that to you, and we can have a conversation. | ||
| But Tucker is not that person. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I know exactly why people would disagree with voter ID laws, and what they don't know is that I'm actually just a racist. | ||
| They have no idea that what I'm saying isn't true, and I don't believe it. | ||
| My actor secret is that I'm a racist. | ||
| You see, I am a racist. | ||
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Yeah, it's a little bit... | |
| Transparent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they make a big mistake, and they go to calls, Alex and Tucker. | ||
| And the first call that they get, I think, is a really interesting perspective that gets brought up, and Alex is not happy about it. | ||
| Mary in Pennsylvania, you're on the air with Tucker Carlson. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
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Hey, Alex. | |
| I have to apologize because I want to depart from the topic of the election for a moment because there's something I've always wanted to ask of Tucker Carlson. | ||
| And I just wanted to say that the Daily Call website is really an aberration in conservative media in terms of the disrespect towards women that it has on its website. | ||
| It's essentially a race to the bottom with the left with its policy of contributing to over-sexualized atmosphere that we have. | ||
| Ma 'am, hold on a minute. | ||
| I mean, are you one of these people that thinks they should ban the statue? | ||
| Of the sailor on the victory over Japan kissing the woman? | ||
| Because they're banning that everywhere. | ||
| I mean, are you joking? | ||
| I don't think anybody accuses the Daily Caller of... | ||
| I think Tucker gets accused of being almost too liberal sometimes. | ||
| Now you're saying he's attacking women? | ||
| He is being a man, period, attacking women. | ||
| Wow, Alex was really fast and aggressive trying to run cover for Tucker, create a bunch of straw men to protect him from this caller's criticism. | ||
| Yeah, I heard like four. | ||
| Yeah, it's really fascinating as a thing to see how defensive Alex got and how quickly it went down. | ||
| This caller has a question about the sexism with the Daily Caller, and in order to protect Tucker's feelings and to make sure the audience doesn't take this caller's point seriously, Alex tries to immediately find a way to distort her point into being somehow about how just the existence of men is sexist. | ||
| This obviously isn't what she's saying, but the goal Alex is shooting for is for her to take the bait and respond to this dummy argument instead of sticking to her initial point, which is threatening to Alex and Tucker's self-image. | ||
| You see this kind of thing with Alex all the time, because his actual positions are mostly indefensible. | ||
| That's why if you wanted to argue about refugee or immigration issues with him, he'd just yell back at you something like, so you support illegal immigrants coming here and killing U.S. citizens? | ||
| It's an attempt to hijack a conversation and drive it into territory where he feels more secure and where there's no real chance of anything productive being discussed. | ||
| The reality is that the Daily Caller is a long and pretty noted sexism problem. | ||
| One example of this was in 2013, prior to this episode, when Ashley Judd was considering running for the Senate, and they published an article with the headline, quote, In an attempt to preemptively delegitimize her as a potential candidate, they used Mr. Skin as a resource to document the times that she's been nude in movies, which is a pretty shitty way for someone to act when they're pretending to be a news site. | ||
| No, I mean, there's nothing misogynist about that. | ||
| I'm sure they do it for all the male actors who've tried to... | ||
| How many times has Arnold Schwarzenegger been shirtless in a movie and he wants to be governor? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| How many times has there been a Comedy Central roast of a presidential candidate? | ||
| So there are plenty more examples of this in the Daily Caller, but I think the actual larger problem I would have is Blake Neff, the lead writer for Tucker's Fox show, who had to resign after it came out that he'd been posting vile, racist, and sexist shit online for years, was also a prolific writer at the Daily Call. | ||
| having almost 2,000 articles on the site with his byline. | ||
| One of them that was particularly shitty was from October 2016, and it's described in a Media Matters article like this. | ||
| Neff described a driver running over a group of Native Americans protesting Columbus Day as a reenactment of the conquest of America. | ||
| The article ran with a sub-headline that read, The Daily Caller is a pile of shit publication that produces the exact kind of racist and sexist content that Alex wants to see in the world and also has the veneer of like, oh, we're kind of joking. | ||
| And so if this caller rightly brings some of this stuff up, then it's Alex's job to run interference and create straw man arguments to try to get this caller off balance. | ||
| You'll notice that Tucker didn't say anything. | ||
| That was all just Alex feeling the need to defend Tucker lest they both end up looking bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really, just don't go to calls. | ||
| You know how in trials and shit, whenever it turns out 10 years later that the cop... | ||
| Who was the witness at your trial was a fucking coke-dealing corrupt piece of shit. | ||
| And then everybody who was involved with that cop has a chance to relitigate their trial. | ||
| Everything gets reopened. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That should happen for if your writer turns out to be a massive racist. | ||
| You have to go back through every article he's ever written, put a new headline up there that says, Massive racist wrote this. | ||
| It has to be retroactive. | ||
| The whole system. | ||
| Yeah, I think you do have to do some pretty hard soul searching. | ||
| If you have somebody who's a flagrant racist posting horrible shit online consistently, and it turns out he's been writing for you for years, he's your lead writer on your TV show, and he has over 2,000 articles on your website, you really should open the box up and see how much that... | ||
| How much it impacted his coverage? | ||
| How much it impacted your show that he was the lead writer for? | ||
| But you don't do that because that was part of why he worked there. | ||
| No, no, I mean... | ||
| It's kind of telling on themselves again. | ||
| It's awful that we had to let him go because we agree with everything that he's written. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but these meddling libs end up having to write an article about it. | ||
| Hey, good news is we have no reason to believe that Tucker Carlson has agreed with any of his thoughts. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Except for a lot of things. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So, unfortunately, I have bad news, and that is that this caller actually has a different point than the real argument about sexism at the Daily Caller. | ||
| I was going to say, there's no way that we're... | ||
| There's no way that we're... | ||
| We're doing this well. | ||
| No, it's unfortunate because I think that actually she has more of a puritanical standpoint that she's coming at this with. | ||
| Attacking women. | ||
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Lead article. | |
| And a slideshow of those sexy girls and whatever. | ||
| Well, what's wrong with that? | ||
| Well, let me just say, hold on, let me just say that I, as a man who's been married 23 years and has three daughters, I like women better than men. | ||
| I can say it with total sincerity. | ||
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Me too. | |
| We also believe that beauty is important, and we're not embarrassed to put things that are beautiful, not necessarily sexual or debased. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with a woman in a swimsuit. | ||
| And look, that's what advertisers have in their ads. | ||
| Ma 'am, are you upset when you see a woman in a bathing suit on CNN? | ||
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When they're trying to sell products and prosecuting women out in that way, of course. | |
| So I can't quite tell if this was her point going off track because of Alex's straw fans. | ||
| Yeah, but either way, I don't think this is a really good way for the point to be made about daily caller sexism. | ||
| Which is unfortunate, because it is a legitimate point that could be brought up and is at least sort of raised by this caller. | ||
| It just goes off track, and then Alex and Tucker are shown to be innocent. | ||
| Yeah, I do think this was her original point, because before she was cut off, she started talking about how... | ||
| That this contributes as much as the left does to the degradation. | ||
| That's a race to the bottom. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So I think she is trying to say that I'm tired of both the right and the left accepting that women have... | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| So Alex has decided that because this caller was critical, probably was a false flag. | ||
| I appreciate your call, but I'm going to be honest. | ||
| I think that was a seminar caller, and I never say that. | ||
| But I really do think that was just a cheap shot by some writer. | ||
| That was pretty funny. | ||
| But, I mean, give me a break. | ||
| You guys have occasional slides on the sides of, like, you know, a woman on a surfboard or something. | ||
| I mean, I'm just... | ||
| Notice how the left is like a cult, though, like we're in some weird cult. | ||
| We're about to be burned at the stake because you have Marilyn Monroe on your website. | ||
| Well, they're all very uptight. | ||
| I mean, you know, we're happy to do a slideshow on the women of the IDF, for example. | ||
| It is hilarious. | ||
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What is this like? | |
| Maxim? | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| Look at these sexy apartheid enforcers. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| So, Tucker has a guy in the Senate that he's a fan of. | ||
| That's not surprising. | ||
| There's only one senator right now who's running unopposed, and it's Jeff Sessions of Alabama. | ||
| And Jeff Sessions is not a good speaker. | ||
| Jeff Sessions is not super charismatic. | ||
| He doesn't pander to people. | ||
| Racism. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| He doesn't lie. | ||
| And people like that. | ||
| It's not surprising that Tucker loves Jeff Sessions, considering he's a huge racist and has a record of consistently opposing the Voting Rights Act and has open hostility towards non-white voting rights. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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He's such an anti-voting. | |
| voting rights asshole that when he was nominated for a federal judgeship by Reagan in 1986, he was rejected due to concerns about his comments on race. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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For instance, he said that quote, He also said that organizations like the NAACP, quote, force civil rights down the throats of people. | |
| Or, of course, his big zinger was, quote, I thought those guys, in reference to the classians, Sure, Jeff Sessions is an honest and principled band. | ||
| A man who's very honest and principled about his racism and opposition to voting rights for non-white people. | ||
| It tracks that Tucker would like to see him as the most popular member of Congress. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Fun. | ||
| There's going to be an uphill battle for that one. | ||
| I'll tell you that right now. | ||
| Yeah, so this interview was bizarre because there isn't a ton of obsequiousness on Alex's part. | ||
| There's no indication that this person could possibly be the most important person in the world someday. | ||
| It's really just shitting on the media. | ||
| Yeah, it does seem to be that they're on relatively equal power footings at this point in time. | ||
| Or even Alex probably conceivably sees himself a little above. | ||
| Yeah, all he's got is a website. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he's a contributor on Fox, but he doesn't have his Tucker Tonight or whatever. | ||
| No, he doesn't have his prime fucking show on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that that's an interesting dynamic. | ||
| And then just the outrageous amount of racism that was flying around prior to Tucker coming on. | ||
| And then even while he's there, he's engaging with it. | ||
| He's getting in the mud with Alex. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I found this to be a little bit of an underwhelming episode from the standpoint of learning about the midterms and seeing some kind of a good dynamic between him and Tucker that might tell us something about the future. | ||
| I think the only thing that you could take away from this as it relates to what you would expect to see in the future is that these guys do have a bit of philosophical alignment vis-a-vis. | ||
| Non-white people shouldn't be voting. | ||
| Shouldn't be voting. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I guess that is the bedrock of their relationship. | ||
| You can kind of see it that way. | ||
| But we have one last clip here, and Alex has another conspiracy theory about that caller who is critical of the Daily Caller. | ||
| And I think that woman earlier is mad that two men, you and your former college roommate, own it. | ||
| I think that's why they're mad, because all the feminist groups don't get mad when they have women in bikinis. | ||
| A man owns something and has a woman on a bikini. | ||
| Tucker Carlson, DailyColor.com, thank you so much for the time. | ||
| Thanks, Alex. | ||
| That was great. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Good times. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Great stuff. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, it sucks. | ||
| It sucks really hard, because it is like, goddammit, if people were... | ||
| Taking this as seriously as it fucking was. | ||
| Because this wasn't new in 2014. | ||
| No. | ||
| It wasn't new in 2008. | ||
| It wasn't new when Reagan did it. | ||
| Like, this is shit that should have been stamped out. | ||
| And instead, every fucking ten years we just go, well, they haven't killed anybody for a while, so let's just let it ride. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, when you say stamp it out, you're obviously not talking about the people. | ||
| I'm not talking eradicating people, you know. | ||
| Right, but the ideological patience that people seem to have with a lot of these incredibly intolerant ideas that necessarily lead to the things that we see happening. | ||
| I mean, it's absurd. | ||
| It's absurd to... | ||
| It is strange that patience exists. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I mean, I don't know why that exists in a larger sense. | ||
| I think with Alex, what I said earlier kind of is relevant, and that is that most people who aren't... | ||
| Like me, necessarily, don't want to listen to a whole episode of his show. | ||
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Right. | |
| Well, that's, yeah, I mean, there is that. | ||
| And I recognize that that's something that speaks to something wrong with me. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| Most people want to live their lives and just have a normal existence. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Whereas I want to play Dynasty Warriors. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And listen to Alex. | ||
| And learn about Alex's past. | ||
| So I get it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that recognizing exactly what is being conversed about behind the flimsy arguments about, like, We really should have voter ID because it'll make things more secure, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Behind that is a guy who's saying that too many minorities at a Walgreens is Mos Eisley Cantina. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that Anthony Gucciardi's girlfriend was almost kidnapped because Austin downtown is a war zone of roaming black gangs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, maybe the simplest explanation for why we're so tolerant is because... | ||
| Everybody treats the right wing as though they're speaking honestly. | ||
| I mean, you can't really go back and look at a presidential debate without being like, oh, you were... | ||
| You just lied. | ||
| And nobody said, you're a fucking liar. | ||
| You're a liar who's lying right now. | ||
| You can't say that. | ||
| So take it back. | ||
| Stop lying. | ||
| Because then they'll be like, I'm not lying. | ||
| Prove I'm lying. | ||
| And then it turns into a mess. | ||
| Yeah, I think there's a chance that public trust is eroded so much that there's not even the expectation. | ||
| There's sort of an unspoken expectation. | ||
| Oh yeah, you can lie as long as you lie the right way. | ||
| Politicians all lie. | ||
| It's just sort of a standard understanding. | ||
| Ugh, brutal. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I think it sucks. | ||
| But anyway, that's what we learn when we put Alex on timeout. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We learn that he's a giant racist. | ||
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We reaffirm that... | |
| This shit runs deep. | ||
| Well, we gotta put Alex on a timeout. | ||
| He's a monster in a certain way. | ||
| Let's go see him be a monster in a different way. | ||
| I guess I gotta put Alex in the past on timeout and go back to the present now. | ||
| I don't know what we're gonna do. | ||
| We gotta go to the future. | ||
| Oh, that's the shit. | ||
| Well, maybe Reset Wars. | ||
| Maybe we can do a Reset Wars. | ||
| We got time. | ||
| Maybe that'll be coming up. | ||
| Anyway, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, Jordan, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight and I go to bed, Jordan. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I'm Daryl Rundus. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robot. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello, Alex. | ||
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I'm a first-time caller. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |