#644: February 2, 2022
Today, Dan and Jordan check in to see how things went when Marjorie Taylor Greene dropped by to chat with Alex. Also in this installment, Alex gets gross and then later gets real esoteric about touching eternity. Citations
Feb. 4, 2022 - Knowledge Fight
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I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. | |
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
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Knowledge fight. | |
| Knowledgefight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are. | ||
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Dan. | |
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today? | ||
| My bright spot is on YouTube. | ||
| The creator Timba on Toast put out a new video that is a sequel or a second part of a series about Tim Pool. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| I thought this was Australians dropping things onto Toast this time. | ||
| No, I wish. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I think that would be fun. | ||
| Hey, Australians. | ||
| Recommendation. | ||
| Here we go, buddies. | ||
| Drop something on a giant piece of toast to see what happens. | ||
| No, he creates these really good in-depth analyses of some of these media figures. | ||
| I think one of the things that is really great about it is we spend our time talking about Alex Jones, and I have a peripheral awareness of people like Tim Poole. | ||
| And obviously we've looked into Project Veritas a bit, but not with the granular detail. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And Tim Bontost has some videos that are about Tim Pool, Dave Rubin. | ||
| There's a three-part series on Dave Rubin that he did that's fantastic. | ||
| I know I brought up... | ||
| I don't remember which video it was that I... | ||
| I think it was the Project Veritas one that I've brought up in the past, but this new one just came out and it's really good. | ||
| It's really good? | ||
| It's very insightful about the sort of rhetorical... | ||
| That Tim Pool uses to... | ||
| One of the things I thought was really remarkable is there's a pretty clear demonstration that a lot of it is essentially passing along Infowars narratives just with a rhetorical style that makes it more purchasable to different audiences. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So I recommend people check that out. | ||
| I think it's really good. | ||
| How about you? | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot is, as you know, I've been taking this yoga class for a couple months now, right? | ||
| And my favorite part of it is how it's mainly between three and six people every class. | ||
| And it's usually the same people. | ||
| So familiarity breeds contempt. | ||
| And there's nothing I love more than shitting all over these other people in the yoga class. | ||
| Once me and my partner are done, we walk out there. | ||
| There's this one guy who is a suck-up and a teacher's pet, and it is hilarious to look at an adult man as he's like, I can do this! | ||
| Oh, it's so funny. | ||
| Do you find that hating on a specific person in the class makes you more motivated to do the class well? | ||
| Oh, totally. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And it's fun for me because I'm clearly the worst there's ever been at yoga. | ||
| I've got all these football and baseball injuries. | ||
| I sound like a haunted house. | ||
| You're walking anger, too. | ||
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Yelling and yoga are not compatible. | |
| No, it's a little bit difficult. | ||
| I found that dynamic to be... | ||
| Like, one of the things I loved the most in college, too. | ||
| Like, whenever I would... | ||
| Every class, I would choose someone to hate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it would just be like, you fucking dick. | ||
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You son of a bitch. | |
| It's the only way I could stay engaged in classes that were, like, were so boring. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I'll fucking backbend. | ||
| I'll backbend better than this asshole. | ||
| That's what I'm gonna do. | ||
| I will not be bested. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. | ||
| It's going to be February 2nd, 2022. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Two, two, two, two. | ||
| Right, but... | ||
| Days from the real big one. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Two, two, two, two, two. | ||
| And then like several hundred years away from a Mitch Hedberg joke. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So this episode, we're going to get into a little bit of discussion of content warning about it in a moment. | ||
| But first, let's say hello to some new folks who are wonks. | ||
| That's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Art Ward from Dartmouth. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Peeve Sychenik. | ||
| You know, Steve. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't know how you pronounce Sychenik. | ||
| Peeve Sychenik? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Anyway, you're a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, when there's nothing left to burn, you have to set yourself on fire, Alex. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| That was a question mark. | ||
| That was a question mark. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, the wonks of policy. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Oh, thank you very much to all the wonks of policy. | ||
| Yes, and in honor of the Ponyboy Bloom, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| And we also got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan, and you're not going to like this. | ||
| But thank you so much to Jordan's dislike of Pete Holmes as the rage of Caliban seeing his own face in the glass. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| I have risen above my enemies. | ||
| I might quit tomorrow, actually. | ||
| I'm just going to take a little breaky now. | ||
| A little breaky for me. | ||
| And then we're going to come back. | ||
| And I'm going to start the show over. | ||
| I'm the devil! | ||
| I've got to be taken over here! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| I've got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World Order, and fuck the horse you rode in on, and all your shit! | ||
| Maybe today should be my last broadcast. | ||
| Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. | ||
| Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again. | ||
| That's really what I want to do. | ||
| I never want to come back here again. | ||
| I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. | ||
| I'll be better tomorrow. | ||
| So the effects of Alex's trip to the woods have worn off. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And he is no longer... | ||
| Back into a bad mood. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| I mean, not the same kind of bad mood. | ||
| But this episode, there's going to be a bit of it that's disgusting. | ||
| And, you know, just to give a content warning in advance, there is a bit of discussion about Alex's feelings vis-a-vis... | ||
| Child abuse. | ||
| And I think some of the content, some of the clips in that portion may be difficult to hear because they suck. | ||
| I have tried to limit really the amount that we're going to actually listen to in the interest of not just sort of like... | ||
| Rolling in Alex's mud. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But I do think that some of it is germane to the conversation that we need to have about the episode as a whole. | ||
| And honestly, this is not an episode that I can just say, eh, forget it. | ||
| Because, spoiler alert, Marjorie Taylor Greene shows up. | ||
| And, of course, this is something that people are very curious about how that went down. | ||
| When you have a sitting U.S. congressperson on your Alex Jones show, And you're also being very exploitative about child abuse. | ||
| That's something that you should carry with her as well. | ||
| Yeah, it paints a larger picture that I think is important to recognize. | ||
| And so I would say that it's mostly the first hour of his show that is this deterioration. | ||
| And so I would say that there's going to be a bit of this in our episode, and then most of the rest of it is... | ||
| Not really. | ||
| Let's eat our vegetables and get this out of the way. | ||
| This is not eating vegetables. | ||
| I mean, you know, get them out of the way first. | ||
| But we do have an out-of-context drop that is fairly innocent. | ||
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You can play the song to foxes or eagles or any other type of parrot you want, and they'll all dance the same way to it. | |
| What? | ||
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What? | |
| It's all God's language. | ||
| Music. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| So if I understand correctly, if you get foxes? | ||
| Eagles. | ||
| Eagles. | ||
| Any kind of parrot. | ||
| Any kind of parrot. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That is an oddly specific trio. | ||
| It brings to mind a cartoon of Alex dancing with these animals to the Babas and the Papas. | ||
| Yeah, it's like a fucking old-time Disney cartoon with Mickey Mouse on the steamboat. | ||
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Yeah, I've been for a walk. | |
| Also, I don't think he should... | ||
| Don't look into the mamas and the papas, Alex. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Yeah, that's going to get you into trouble. | ||
| So here's our first clip, and actually it's covering some COVID-related news. | ||
| So it's also just full of shit. | ||
| What a time. | ||
| To be alive. | ||
| The wheels are absolutely coming off of everything they're doing. | ||
| John Hopkins, which is a very diverse scientific group. | ||
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What? | |
| And is the preeminent planner for the Rockefeller Foundation of the COVID attacks that we've all been under and the subsequent lies and fraud is now covering its ass by the very working group. | ||
| That was heavily involved with Bill Gates planning all this. | ||
| Coming out in a 60-plus page report saying lockdowns are a fraud and have killed more people than the virus and that the economic destruction of it is going to starve hundreds of millions of people to death, which is true. | ||
| One of the first things to point out here is that almost everything Alex said in that clip is completely made up. | ||
| None of that means anything, including the characterization of Johns Hopkins as a, quote, diverse scientific group. | ||
| I have no idea what he's going to say. | ||
| I don't know what that means. | ||
| It's a research university. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| It's a diverse scientific group. | ||
| So the study is something that does exist, but Alex is misreporting what it is. | ||
| It's a meta-analysis that was carried out by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Institute for Applied Economics, Global Health, and the Study of Business Enterprise. | ||
| That is to say that it wasn't producing any new information, but was looking at a broad swath of already existing studies. | ||
| The vast majority of these studies they looked at were done by people in the field of economics as opposed to public health which is a little bit of a cause for concern. | ||
| The reason that I say that is because the goal is to look at the relationship between non-pharmaceutical interventions also referred to in the study as lockdowns these non-pharmaceutical interventions to the pandemic For instance, like closing businesses, that kind of thing, and that relationship to the COVID mortality rate. | ||
| And because these are economic studies, there may be some nuance that's lost by researchers who approach that data from that perspective of economics as opposed to epidemiology. | ||
| A strict look at the numbers could show an approximately, like... | ||
| 2% reduction in deaths from the lockdown measures, as is estimated in some of this study. | ||
| But there may be, well, there might be intangible variables that these numbers just can't capture, and epidemiological studies may be able to encapsulate some of this. | ||
| So, for instance, because this meta-analysis is only looking at COVID mortality, it can't say anything about the effects of these non-pharmaceutical interventions in terms of what they might have had. | ||
| which would then have a trickle-down effect to mortality. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Even so, there's a very wide difference in findings as it relates to the studies that they included in this analysis. | |
| One area where there's a bit of complication was in looking at the effectiveness of specific interventions. | ||
| Three studies out of six that included information about the effect of bar and restaurant closures reflected a reduction of over 28% in mortality. | ||
| The numbers were 28.6, 31.6 and 50.2 in those three studies. | ||
| That is absurdly high. | ||
| Now, the other three studies out of the six that looked at the specifics of bar and restaurant closures showed essentially no effect. | ||
| Well, that's absurd! | ||
| So there's a really wide thing. | ||
| So our margin for error is all to zero. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The same is true of the dynamics of school closure studies, with one of them showing a 58% reduction, and then three other ones showing no effect. | ||
| So, one of our big problems seems to be it's really hard to even know how to begin measuring what it is we're looking for the answer to our question. | ||
| A lot of it is pretty complicated. | ||
| There are some other points that I would bring up that I don't feel are really addressed in this meta-analysis, too, that I think are kind of relevant. | ||
| The first is that, at least as it relates to the U.S., we never really had effective lockdowns in place. | ||
| And even when some businesses had to be closed for a brief window, a lot of them stayed open anyway. | ||
| There was a whole lot of people who were like, no way over my dead body! | ||
| Giant gatherings of people were still happening, even when ostensibly gatherings were banned for public health concerns. | ||
| And then, of course, you had the phenomenon of anti-mask assholes refusing to wear masks and yelling at folks and even spitting on them in public. | ||
| The reality is that if you try to assess the effectiveness of any non-pharmaceutical intervention in terms of the pandemic, your data is going to reflect essentially a non-application of lockdown measures. | ||
| If the effect of lockdown measures A lot of people took things very seriously and made real changes to how they went about their lives with respect to public health, But there were also plenty of people who were so combative and childish that they felt the need to reflexively act in opposition to any public health guidance just because defiance feels good to them. | ||
| And there were really no consequences or any meaningful enforcement of lockdowns that would have changed their behaviors. | ||
| The second thing I would bring up is that different states in the United States responded with different public health measures, and these differences have an effect on other states. | ||
| It's not like the borders have any real... | ||
| Intrinsic meaning. | ||
| No, there's guns at the borders between... | ||
| There wasn't interstate travel bans that were in place. | ||
| It's like the border at Northern Ireland between Illinois and Indiana. | ||
| I don't know if you've gone through there lately. | ||
| This meta-analysis is largely concerned with data that was gathered regarding the first wave in early 2020. | ||
| There were a bunch of states that didn't have any stay-at-home orders or lockdown orders at all. | ||
| Arkansas, Iowa, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, and Wyoming all didn't pass any order like that. | ||
| On the federal level, Trump didn't do anything that you would call a lockdown. | ||
| Like, his administration passed travel bans. | ||
| They closed government buildings, and the CDC gave recommendations on things that governors could do. | ||
| Yeah, you know, looking back on it... | ||
| I don't think he did a good job. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| I'm going to go out on a limb and say that. | ||
| All in all, I think that this analysis that's in this paper is useful, and it brings up some interesting points, but I don't believe that it's ultimately conclusive that the data shows that non-pharmaceutical interventions were altogether ineffective. | ||
| Regardless of any of my feelings about the study, it's absolutely true that Alex is just lying about what it says and almost certainly hasn't read it. | ||
| He just sees a headline that sounds like something he's into being put out by a source that he's already established as evil in his storylines, so it's being reported as them covering their asses by admitting that everything he's been saying has been true all along. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Also, a side point. | ||
| If Alex is going to take this study as gospel, he's going to need to change his position on masks. | ||
| The studies that they reviewed showed a 21.2% reduction in deaths in places where mask wearing was mandated. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Thankfully for Alex, he hasn't read the thing, so he doesn't even know he has to pretend to not know that. | ||
| I think probably the most effective non-pharmaceutical intervention was the billions of dollars of Fox News propaganda that got us all killed. | ||
| I'm not sure if that's an NPI. | ||
| I don't know if Johns Hopkins studied that one. | ||
| I don't know if they had the ability to capture that in their variables. | ||
| Give it a shot. | ||
| So there's a lot of people covering their asses right now. | ||
| Yes, it's a smart place. | ||
| Johns Hopkins, the diverse group of scientists. | ||
| Diverse! | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| And now Reuters. | ||
| Reuters has come out and endorsed Ivermectin and its incredible antiviral properties. | ||
| Covering your little dirty asses, aren't you? | ||
| Covering your dirty asses. | ||
| Covering Reuters' dirty asses. | ||
| So Reuters didn't come out in favor of ivermectin or any of that bullshit. | ||
| This was a headline in Reuters that was corrected because the original version was inaccurate. | ||
| Initially, the headline was, quote, Japan's Kawa says ivermectin effective against Omicron in phase 3 trial. | ||
| This wasn't correct, and Reuters editors definitely whiffed on this one because by the time the headline was fixed, Joe Rogan had already tweeted it out, the inaccurate version of this, because it was, Seen as vindication for his anti-vax bullshit. | ||
| And the narrative had taken hold that Reuters was admitting, after all, that Ivermectin works. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Let's do it! | ||
| You can tell here, though, if you're listening, that Alex has realized the controversy here, and he's trying to claim victory using the corrected headline, which is, quote, Ivermectin shows antiviral effect against COVID, Japanese company says. | ||
| This isn't news, really, and it's not proof that ivermectin works at all against COVID in humans. | ||
| If I'm being perfectly honest, I don't even think that this story is something that should have been posted by Reuters, because it's not ready to go. | ||
| From the article, quote, That's the extent of the information that's provided about this company, Kawa. | ||
| They say they're doing research, that there's an unspecified antiviral effect, and that they didn't say anything else. | ||
| That's not newsworthy, and it's a prime opportunity to make an unforced error that can be exploited by anti-vax assholes, which is exactly what happened with this bad headline. | ||
| There's a misleading nature about engaging with this story on a surface level, as Alex does with every story. | ||
| It's entirely possible that Coward did a study and found that ivermectin has an antiviral effect against COVID in a test tube. | ||
| Scientists have demonstrated that before, with ivermectin and even hydroxychloroquine. | ||
| Many things can show effects in a test tube that they do not have in the human body. | ||
| A lot of the times that we've seen these anti-vax people pretending not to be anti-vax, when they get over-invested in claiming that various things are like COVID treatments, it's usually because something showed an effect in an in vitro study, and then they pretend that this effect must naturally apply to in vivo settings. | ||
| So anyway, Reuters completely fucked up here for no reason, but the underlying reality is that Alex is totally wrong about this story, and Reuters is not trying to cover their dirty asses by coming out in favor of ivermectin. | ||
| That's just completely detached from reality, and it's nothing more than the figments of Alex's imagination that he's passing off his reporting and an attempt to piggyback Joe Rogan's shit. | ||
| That is very frustrating. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I mean, you know, it's not like the stakes for real news are high at all. | ||
| It's not like any... | ||
| A single mistake could result in still further cementing of the pointlessness of mainstream media for so many people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| I wonder about, like I said, the necessity of even putting this article out in the first place. | ||
| It doesn't really seem like it, even with the corrected headline, I'm not certain it adds much to the public conversation. | ||
| No, if your editor reads... | ||
| The main subject of the article did not provide further details than you have kill the story or make the article about how they did not provide further details and they fucking should. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's it, you know? | ||
| The only thing that I can kind of see is that, like, again, it's a rigged game because you report the story. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then people like Alex will be like, ah, they say ivermectin works. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You don't report it, and then... | ||
| Why aren't you reporting on this story about how ivermectin works? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| It becomes proof of a cover-up. | ||
| Right. | ||
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It's just a dumb game these assholes play. | |
| Right. | ||
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You just don't need to make your own goals, you know? | |
| Sure, sure. | ||
| So, a lot of ass covering. | ||
| Some dirty asses, some not-so-dirty asses. | ||
| CNN. | ||
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Is anybody covering their clean, pristine asses? | |
| That's not specified. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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But, yeah, so CNN also is getting in the ass covering. | |
| Jeff Zucker. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| The America-hating... | ||
| AT&T hatchet man for this country. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| has now resigned, and they always use the fall on the sword excuse of, oh, because he was having a relationship that was inappropriate with somebody that worked there. | ||
| Yeah, the big crime is men and women having sex, and God forbid any children come along. | ||
| It wasn't lying. | ||
| It wasn't infiltrating groups. | ||
| It wasn't overseeing the persecution of millions of people that CNN would covertly and overtly target and have deplatformed. | ||
| This is interesting, because what we're seeing at the beginning of this show is Alex trying to do a roundup of news stories that he's using to paint a picture that the enemies are in retreat. | ||
| Johns Hopkins admits lockdowns are a Now, I don't know exactly what's going on with this Zucker situation, but even if you take the public-facing story as gospel, it's reason for him to step down. | ||
| Chris Cuomo was fired recently, and because the termination involved unethical behavior, there was an investigation. | ||
| In the course of that investigation, it came out that Zucker had been having an undisclosed romantic relationship with CNN, executive vice president and chief marketing officer, and because of the impropriety of that, he resigned. | ||
| If the relationship is as on the up and up as Zucker claims, the fact that he didn't disclose it is something that is on its own. | ||
| That's outside what's appropriate in terms of business ethics. | ||
| The president of a company being in a secret relationship with the executive vice president and chief marketing officer is not best practices. | ||
| There's a further air of ethical problems here, and it's something that you can see conspiracy theorists shooting out, and that is that prior to being at CNN, the woman whose Zucker was in an undisclosed relationship with, Allison Golust, was a communications director for Andrew Cuomo, Chris Cuomo's brother. | ||
| This could honestly mean nothing, but the appearance of it raises some questions, which make the non-disclosure of the relationship more disconcerting. | ||
| Ultimately, however, it should be pointed out, if you're going to talk about that kind of thing... | ||
| Golust was only with the Cuomo administration for four months in 2013. | ||
| And prior to that, she'd worked at NBC Universal for over 15 years, which incidentally was where Zucker was prior to him heading to CNN. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So their relationship clearly goes back a long distance in terms of it's, you know, on a professional level and being contemporaries. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So the path into the Cuomo administration is more of a... | ||
| Blip. | ||
| But it does create an appearance. | ||
| No, no, I understand. | ||
| I'm just saying that the writer needs to add more characters, okay? | ||
| It seems kind of silly that there's only like five people in New York City and everybody works with the Cuomos. | ||
| Goddammit, I'm sick of this. | ||
| There are more characters in this story, okay? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not sure exactly what's up here, but I feel like the Cuomo connection is a bit too speculative to put too much stock into, but it does obviously raise questions. | ||
| And the reported version of the story on its own is enough to merit his resignation. | ||
| Alex wants to make this about CNN punishing men and women for having sex, but it's really more about breaches of professional ethics. | ||
| I'm sure that CNN doesn't much care who has sex with anybody else there, as long as it's all above board and there aren't very serious liabilities and... | ||
| Yeah, it does seem like this is very much a, like, more, like, what are we doing here? | ||
| Like, this is that, to me, that's my story. | ||
| That's what I'm reading here, is like, what were you guys doing? | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| Stop this. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Like, it's not even, I'm not even mad at them. | ||
| It's just like, no, this is wrong. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| I want to get a broom and sweep them out of CNN, yeah! | ||
| Well, I mean, there isn't anything necessarily wrong with the president of a company and the executive vice president having a relationship. | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| Considering they have worked closely together for 20 years, we're both divorced. | ||
| Sure! | ||
| I don't think that there's anything wrong as long as you're up front about it. | ||
| Yeah, it seems obvious that you should just be up front about it. | ||
| Yeah, you have to report those kinds of things to HR. | ||
| If you're in middle management and you're dating an employee or something, or even you're dating somebody who's on the same level as you in the company flowchart, you still need to report these things to HR because of... | ||
| Potential problems that they could raise. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's very basic business ethics. | ||
| Also, I really just don't feel like you need that extra element. | ||
| I know I get the salacious element of like, ooh, they were fucking and also she worked for the Cuomo campaign. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it's like, fucking Chris is a media guy. | ||
| He's a media executive. | ||
| They go to the same parties and shit, you know? | ||
| And she has a history in communications. | ||
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Exactly! | |
| Yeah! | ||
| It's not... | ||
| That's why I'm saying that the connection is too speculative to really put too much stock into. | ||
| But if you ignore it, it feels like ignoring something that looks weird. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| I'm just saying all these rich assholes in New York media and in politics all go to the same fucking parties. | ||
| They don't need a relationship with a superior or whatever. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| But when something as obvious as you need to report these kinds of things to HR. | ||
| True. | ||
| When those things aren't followed, it creates the appearance that they weren't followed for a reason. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And then people try to look for that reason. | ||
| And that's why you follow them in the first place. | ||
| That's one of the reasons. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So anyway, Alex has got all these stories, and it's leading up to, hey man, the whole New World Order is falling apart. | ||
| The wheels are coming off. | ||
| The House of Cards is collapsing. | ||
| The New World Order is in deep. | ||
| Deep, deep, deep trouble. | ||
| They knew their system was going down. | ||
| They knew it was a Ponzi scheme. | ||
| And they wanted to pose as the saviors when their Ponzi scheme went down so they wouldn't go to jail like Bernie Madoff. | ||
| But instead, all over the world, leaders are standing up in government, in industry, and in media, and academia, and in the clergy. | ||
| What? | ||
| And just common people on the street. | ||
| At city council and school board meetings and are calling it out, and the public is rapidly getting up to speed on the Great Reset, the New World Order, and the divide-and-conquer stratagems. | ||
|
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Woo! | |
| Woo, Ric Flair. | ||
| So, a couple quick points about this clip. | ||
| One, I see that Alex is in a we're totally winning type mood today, which is fun. | ||
| At least that means he's high energy and he's not going to mope around like he does in the we're already dead episodes. | ||
| I'm glad that we're not already dead today. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not in the mood for that. | ||
| Me neither! | ||
| Two, declaring that the New World Order is falling apart is a stupid move for Alex because it makes it harder for him to then claim they're a huge threat later on, like a year or two down the road. | ||
| That's not really a concern for Alex, though, since his audience has completely forgotten and ignored how he's been telling them that the New World Order is on the brink of collapse for like 20 years. | ||
| Three, who cares about people complaining at city council meetings? | ||
| We already know from Alex's own reporting that the New World Order has a plan B that they can carry out if things look like their plans are falling apart, which is releasing super bioweapons to kill everyone off. | ||
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Right. | |
| Based on Alex's own broadcasts, there is no winning, especially not by yelling conspiracy shit at city council meetings about the New World Order's evil plans. | ||
| If anything, that would seem like a good way to make them panic and release those super bioweapons. | ||
| Alex believed a single word that came out of his own mouth, and every moment he spat on air that wasn't about teaching the audience how to grow their own food and collect rainwater is a fucking waste of time. | ||
| Anyway, the Patriots are winning now, which is a mood that I'm sure will pass before too long, and Alex go back to pretending that he never said that the New World Order was crumbling and they're a real serious threat. | ||
| No, this means anything. | ||
| It's just the equivalent of a play-by-play guy on the radio describing a sports game that he's imagining. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it does seem like if you know your enemy's playing... | ||
| is kill everybody, then your most important job is to hide that you know that until you can neutralize the kill everybody strategy. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| But it's impossible to neutralize the kill everyone strategy. | ||
| While you're telling everybody about it. | ||
| Then what you gotta do is lay low. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
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And very, very aggressively try to promote to like-minded people ways in which they can create community and the possibility of... | |
| Right. | ||
| Mitigating the damage that's done by the kill-off thing that is inevitable. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That would make sense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or, now, because here's my problem with that. | ||
| How do I get rich? | ||
| I think you should interview Marjorie Taylor Greene. | ||
| That'll do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a good way to get attention. | ||
| So, you know, obviously we know that the Plan B is this super bioweather attack. | ||
| However, there are winter storms that are going through Texas and most of the South. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| And so that means that it's time to, you know, really lay into the prediction of a cyber attack. | ||
| Oh, a cyber attack. | ||
|
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Cyber attack. | |
| To take down the grid. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Instead of the super bioevents. | ||
| Let me give you the big kahuna. | ||
| And when I talk about this, I start getting chills up and down my spine because my spirit, my gut, my intellect knows I'm over the target. | ||
| And it's not hard to be over the target. | ||
| Klaus Schwab, that murderous criminal Hitler 5.0. | ||
| What? | ||
| Where's two through four? | ||
| Has been drooling and giddy and giggling. | ||
| With how there's going to be a giant terrorist will take down the power. | ||
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It will be terrible, but it will help the Earth. | |
| It will make COVID look like happy time. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And they're going to cyber attack us. | ||
| If they think they can get away with it, and if they think that they won't get caught, and if they think you're stupid, they're going to pull it. | ||
| Maybe next week, maybe next month, maybe next year. | ||
| But they've got their finger on the red button, because why? | ||
| Even if it comes out later, they know they control the federal police forces of every major Western nation. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| When did they do that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But I would say that a prediction of could happen next week, next month, or next year is a meaningless prediction. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It could happen at any time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's like death, an aneurysm, the rapture, etc. | ||
| They're all at any moment in time. | ||
| I remember a number of years back, a friend convinced me to go see a palm reader. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I remember the palm reader being like, Someone in your family will get sick. | ||
| No! | ||
| No! | ||
|
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Who? | |
| When? | ||
| No, get out of here. | ||
|
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No tip. | |
| I'm not tipping. | ||
| No tip? | ||
| Are you supposed to tip? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I assume so. | ||
| It's a service. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what's customary. | ||
| You're supposed to tip when you get a haircut. | ||
| Well, I mean, I would assume it's a little bit different. | ||
| Yeah, I paid because, you know, I agreed to it. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah, this one's on you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the tip is... | ||
| I should have known it would be that vague. | ||
| Well, you know. | ||
| Another prediction was someone will die, but they're old. | ||
| Ah, you know, Dan, I can see just from the way you're holding yourself right now that you're a closed-off person, but sometimes you're very gregarious. | ||
| Oof, man. | ||
| So anyway, what Alex is doing is just hedging his bets in case these winter storms that are heading to Austin and the surrounding areas knock out the power like they did last year, or in case another winter storm does the same in another city. | ||
| He's preloading a conspiracy so he can make a narrative out of that and pretend that he predicted a false flag attack, thereby boosting his credentials as somebody who really gets what the bad guys are doing. | ||
| There are power outages all the time from inclement weather. | ||
| When I lived in Missouri, there were like bad thunderstorms and the power would go out periodically. | ||
| Just this past week, hundreds of thousands of people lost power in the Northeast due to winter storm Kenan. | ||
| And in advance of these storms coming to Texas, Governor Abbott has come out and said that power outages may happen. | ||
| There's no shortage of things that Alex could try to portray as a cyber attack should he want to, which is why this particular instance of him trying to create a preemptive conspiracy narrative just comes off as desperate. | ||
| Really transparent. | ||
| No good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Governor in charge of things. | ||
| Sorry, dudes. | ||
| Nothing we can do. | ||
|
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So Alex gets to reading the headline of his own show, the live feed broadcast. | ||
| I'm fascinated by this because it's essentially all lies. | ||
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Okay. | |
| We'll put on screen, if we can, a live show feed headline for today that I hope listeners and viewers will share because you are the equation. | ||
| You are the resistance. | ||
| When you decide to share the broadcast, it overrides the censors. | ||
| It gets past big tech. | ||
| It gets past the corporate globalist. | ||
| And we score major victories for hearts and minds. | ||
| Wednesday live, Reuters endorses ivermectin. | ||
| CNN's Zucker resigns as world awakens to globalist lies, fraud, and murder. | ||
| Marjorie Taylor Greene will be joining Alex Jones live on air. | ||
| Don't miss the most censored broadcast in the world. | ||
| And then it continues on dealing with what the globalists are up to and how the world is awakening to them. | ||
| And now even John Hopkins has confirmed what we already knew. | ||
| Massive starvation and death caused by lockdowns, massive suicide, drug overdoses. | ||
| Roughly ten times the number of people died from the lockdowns than actually died from the virus, even if you believe official numbers. | ||
| And again, it's just massive information. | ||
| We've got all of that here for you today. | ||
| The only thing in the headline that I would see as being true is that Marjorie Taylor Greene is coming up. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's all just bullshit. | ||
| So is he trying to tell me that... | ||
| 8.75 million people died in the lockdown while I wasn't paying attention? | ||
| No, he's saying that a lot of those deaths are secretly not COVID. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| Otherwise, the alternative that you're describing is absurd. | ||
| It's pretty absurd. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yes, the rest of this is all bullshit. | ||
| And Alex doesn't often announce guests ahead of time. | ||
| And him putting her name in the show description and the title of the broadcast, I think is a pretty clear piece of evidence that he's trying to troll for attention. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that is very clearly part of his agenda. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, a sitting congressperson is a get for him. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Definitely. | ||
| And if he's got a get... | ||
| We are going to know about it. | ||
| It's something that you want to put out there on Main Street. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then also you hope that people will cover it in order to really signal boost this thing. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| You let the MyPillow guy pay to lie and bitch about things that didn't happen, and now you got Marjorie Taylor Greene, you're going to talk about it. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| If I respected Mike Lindell, this wouldn't actually do it, but... | ||
| I would respect him a little bit more if he forced Alex to let him do limericks. | ||
| Ooh, that would be great. | ||
| Like, if he was a fan, like an old-school fan of Alex's show, and knew what kind of power... | ||
| If he was a classic? | ||
| If he was an InfoWars classic guy? | ||
| Yeah, just as a throwback to the soap guy, Marty Schachter. | ||
| I don't think he should be able... | ||
| I don't think he should do limericks. | ||
| He's got to come up with his own thing. | ||
| Maybe haikus. | ||
| I would be... | ||
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If Mike Limdell, and he pulled that out. | |
| He doesn't have the patience to deliver. | ||
| I'd love it. | ||
| So, here we go. | ||
| We're about to get into the messy section of this, where Alex gets into a story about a SUNY professor, a guy at the University of Fredonia, who has made some, I would say, Troubling, awful comments? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| And so here we go. | ||
| You know, this story just broke on Twitter last night. | ||
| And I tell you, my biggest tipster, my two biggest tipsters, who send me stuff that I wouldn't even have known about, so it ended up kind of going viral on InfoWars, as Paul Watson wrote about it early this morning, is the great Joe Rogan. | ||
| And he sent me this. | ||
| Last night, and I spent about an hour watching videos of this guy. | ||
| So I sent it over to Paul when I went to bed about midnight, and I said, please write about this in the early morning. | ||
| And they're six hours ahead of us, so six, seven, eight hours later, this article was up. | ||
| And the reason I name-dropped the Joe Rogan thing is that's kind of a hat tip to where I get so many of my... | ||
| It's like the circle is now complete. | ||
| Used to, I would send Joe the stuff, and now he sends me the stuff. | ||
| But I'm going to talk about this coming up next segment. | ||
| Sonny Professor says it's a mistake to think about pedophilia as being wrong. | ||
| So, as we go through this, keep in mind that this is inspired by something that Joe Rogan sent him. | ||
| This is the influence of Rogan sort of... | ||
| I mean, if the circle is complete, then somebody cut Alex Jones in half with a lightsaber, okay? | ||
| If we're gonna complete the circle, then fucking do it. | ||
| This is the boomerang effect of Alex's misinformation theoretically radicalizing Joe to the point where he now is sending Alex information to sensationalize and cover. | ||
| So this is actually a rare instance where Alex has a narrative about pedophilia that's actually not based on totally bizarre and grotesque imaginary things. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is about the SUNY Fredonia philosophy professor Stephen Kirshner, who made some comments that were definitely not great in a video that we're making the rounds online the other night. | ||
| I didn't watch the whole video, but the clip that was posted all over the place, he doesn't actually say that pedophilia is good, but he's suggesting that it's quote, not obvious to him why sex with a minor is wrong. | ||
| This is splitting hairs on my part, and I think it's very fair to say that the realm of conversation that he was getting into was not appropriate and fucked up. | ||
| I got a really heavy libertarian vibe off this guy, particularly since one of the things he was talking about a lot was the age of consent and how that issue is on a spectrum. | ||
| This is a theme you hear a lot from libertarians. | ||
| And that's why I wasn't surprised to learn that Kirshner is on the editorial board of the journal Reason Papers, which purports to be free of any intellectual or philosophical tradition, but also posts a whole lot of articles. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Like, in the Fall 2011 issue, which Kirshner wrote two pieces for, there's an article titled, quote, One of the articles that he wrote in that issue... | ||
| By not being a libertarian in any meaningful sense of the word. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| One of the articles that he wrote in that issue was titled, quote, Extremely Harsh Treatment, which was a libertarian defense of torture. | ||
| Hey, great. | ||
| Where he tried to get around the whole obvious philosophical objections that someone would have as a libertarian. | ||
| Right. | ||
| None of this is in any way to excuse Kirshner's recent comments. | ||
| It's just to say that this is kind of standard behavior for libertarians. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You can find plenty of memes online that are based just on the broad awareness that libertarians are really weird about age of consent issues. | ||
| It's that creepy thing they do. | ||
| It's very consistent. | ||
| If you look a little further into this guy's publishing career, you'll find a 2007 paper he wrote for the Law and Philosophy Journal titled, quote, For Discrimination Against Women, where you might be... | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| for law, medical, and business schools. | ||
| Well, it could hurt their brains, Dan. | ||
| In 2020, he published another paper specifically arguing that, quote, philosophy departments at state universities may discount women's applications. | ||
| Sure! | ||
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I mean, they can't handle all those big concepts like, it's okay to fuck children. | |
| In 2018, he took the time to write a whole-ass paper on how specifically being attracted to Asian people, quote, This guy is just writing weird things about himself to the rest of us and then hiding it behind... | ||
| Philosophy. | ||
| In 2003, he wrote an article titled, quote, A Liberal Argument for Slavery, the abstract of which starts like this, quote, The slavery contract is not a rights violation since the right not to be enslaved and the right not to give out a benefit are waivable and the conjunction of their voluntary waiver is not itself a rights violation. | ||
| The case for the contract being pejoratively exploitative is not clear. | ||
| You are ruining words for me, sir. | ||
| They're bad when they come out of your mouth. | ||
| This guy's a super annoying libertarian philosophy professor, and if you check his publishing history closely, you'll even find that in 2001, he wrote a paper titled, quote, The Moral Status of Harmless Adult Child Sex, wherein he argues about what you might guess from the title. | ||
| This is a position he's posited for a while. | ||
| Which doesn't mean that people shouldn't be offended or push back against it. | ||
| It's just that he's a libertarian, and people in that philosophical tradition have this conversation a lot. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And he's been doing it for 20 years. | ||
| Yeah, it sucks, because this seems like one of those classic, you went viral for shit that people just didn't know was regularly common in that world, you know? | ||
| Like, if you walked into any shitty bar where there was a libertarian conversation happening, Sure, sure. | ||
| I mean, like, I was looking at the issue of his journal that, you know, that he wrote these articles in, the Reason Papers, and there was an article in it that was written by Walter Bloch, who's another libertarian professor, who, if you'd like... | ||
| Fairly enjoyable. | ||
| You can hear a couple of debates that he did with Sam Seder on the majority report. | ||
| And this issue does come up in that debate, too. | ||
| Of course it does. | ||
| They just can't get away from it. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Because it's the most easily attention-grabbing. | ||
| And so when they do that, they're like, ha-ha, now you're forced to engage in an emotional space. | ||
| And you're fucked. | ||
| Because they're stupid. | ||
| So the New York Post, there's an article about this video that had come out, and it says that the clip appears to come from his appearance on this podcast called The Unregistered Podcast, which is hosted by Thaddeus Russell, which is actually incorrect, but it's hard to tell that immediately. | ||
| So I ended up looking into The Unregistered Podcast because I took the New York Post assessment at its word. | ||
| It turns out that's a kind of a... | ||
| Pretty right-leaning podcast. | ||
| The most recent episode was a chat about the evils of CRT with James Lindsay, who was actually recently a guest on Rogan's podcast, which is cool. | ||
| Yeah, you know, if you want to ban CRT, it would make it a lot easier to get to slavery again. | ||
| Hey, that's an interesting thought experiment. | ||
| So this interview with Kirshner on the Unregistered podcast is from December 2020, and in the episode description, Thaddeus calls him, quote, the most renegade academic I've found. | ||
| I went and I tried to listen to this podcast to see if maybe the comments were taken out of context. | ||
| And let me tell you, they were not if this was actually where it was from. | ||
| If anything, the short clips are a generous portrayal of this guy's views. | ||
| And Kirshner says way more fucked up stuff in that full interview that I'm not even going to play here to make the point. | ||
| So here's the thing that I wasn't expecting when I listened to this podcast. | ||
| The host, Thaddeus Russell, is absolutely 100% in agreement with Kirshner. | ||
| Of course he is! | ||
| The two of them are lamenting how much grief they take from people because they insist on arguing that having sex with minors is maybe actually a good thing. | ||
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Sure. | |
| What's weird is that there are tons of tweets and articles on right-wing blogs calling for Kirshner's firing and turning him into a villain. | ||
| But not that many talking about Russell and how the entire interview that the two of them did sound like veterans in the battle against age of consent laws shooting the shit, telling war stories. | ||
| That's real weird. | ||
| In some fairness, some people are actually making that connection. | ||
| And that CRT dude, James Lindsay, he tweeted out that he's not gonna be teaching a CRT class with Russell now that this has come out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the connection, it's so weird. | ||
| Like, all of the outrage about... | ||
| This clip of Kirshner has been attached to this interview that he did on the Unregistered podcast, even though it was in a different setting. | ||
| But if you go listen to that podcast, he is talking very in-depth about the same issues. | ||
| And so, yeah, it's all a mess. | ||
| Unreal. | ||
| The thing that I found even weirder is that just before the conversation about this stuff on their podcast... | ||
| Russell is doing ad reads for Headspace and a CBD sponsor. | ||
| Get the fuck out! | ||
| This dude who's hosting the podcast wrote an article in the Daily Beast in 2009 about how maybe Roman Polanski wasn't so wrong. | ||
| Great! | ||
| I guess that's who Headspace and this CBD company want to throw their support behind. | ||
| Anyway, also, you're going to hate this, but one of his first guests was Connor Friederstorf. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, you know, I love how these guys are such renegade professors who have been saying the same bullshit about how it's fucked up that age of consent laws exist for 30, 20-odd years or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, Kirshner's been on this beat since 2001, at least from his publishing history. | ||
| This guy wrote about the Polanski shit in 2009. | ||
| And at no point in time are they like, oh, did you know that some innocent-ass English professor somewhere was like, Daniel is probably an apartheid state and then was fired for no reason. | ||
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You guys don't have any consequences! | |
| Right. | ||
| So I went down this path looking at the Unregistered Podcast because that's where the New York Post had led me to believe this was from. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it turns out that is inaccurate. | ||
| The actual source of this interview... | ||
| The Post? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The actual source for this interview is a video on a YouTube channel called Brain and a That, which as of the time of preparing this episode... | ||
| That video itself has under 3,700 views. | ||
| And this is an outlier in terms of it being a very high number of views for videos on this channel. | ||
| Brain in a vat. | ||
| It'd be very difficult to stumble across this. | ||
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Whereas... | |
| The interview, like the unregistered podcast, is a much more popular podcast, very clearly. | ||
| So it's an easier Google search, basically. | ||
| Yeah, it's very strange, and I don't understand fully how this outrage cycle happened. | ||
| Yeah, I'm confused. | ||
| Who found this? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Almost nobody watched this video. | ||
| And it's not that I don't care, but it's like this... | ||
| This shouldn't be a big deal for us right now. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| It's a big deal because Alex is making it a big deal. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think that this guy's comments are fucked up and bad. | ||
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Agreed. | |
| No, agreed. | ||
| I also think that they're within the realm of what you hear from libertarians a bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway, this brain end of that video, I didn't watch the whole thing, mostly because Kirshner was just saying the same stuff he said in the other interview that I did. | ||
| Waste my time listening to. | ||
| The hosts of this one weren't seeming to be as enthusiastic in their agreement with him, or even necessarily showing agreement with him from the stuff I saw, but I don't know if at some point they do. | ||
| Anyway, this is a libertarian philosophy professor doing stuff that's not too surprising to see a libertarian philosophy professor getting into. | ||
| Even though he published an article on this topic in 2001 and seems to have a bit of a pattern of being willing to expound on the issues on podcasts and public appearances, and he published a whole book about it in 2015, apparently SUNY Fredonia had no idea about his opinions and released a statement that his views are reprehensible and that, quote, the matter is under review. | ||
| To be clear, I think it's fine that the matter is under review, but if you're going to enact any punishment on Kirshner about this... | ||
| You should probably also do some real serious fact-finding about how you could have missed this very obvious view that he has and has been making extremely public for the last 20 years. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you've had him on the payroll. | ||
| If this is reprehensible to you... | ||
| Yeah, it does seem like you guys really dropped the ball on that one. | ||
| I mean, considering it's supposedly your job to make sure they continue publishing and the like. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, it's really strange. | ||
| I mean, this guy is, like, the comments are obviously bad. | ||
| And they're not acceptable, really, I don't think. | ||
| And if he's a philosophy professor... | ||
| I think it's stopping short of encouraging or saying these things are good. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But I'm guessing he does a lot of Greek philosophy in his class. | ||
| I think he appreciates the Socratic method, from what I understand. | ||
| It's really fucked up, but at the same time, Alex does not deal with this in terms of the reality of these comments. | ||
| He takes it in a completely other direction, and actually even misrepresents the nature of what is being said. | ||
| He writes books about it. | ||
| I'm going to say that again. | ||
| Sex with one-year-olds... | ||
| He's good. | ||
| Dexter is good. | ||
| And he has a bunch of other professors agreeing with him. | ||
| And, of course, they all look like Brian Stelter. | ||
| I'm not saying Brian Stelter is a pedophile. | ||
| I'm saying he looks like one. | ||
| I mean, look at this guy. | ||
| He has a same weird look like Brian Stelter has. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| I just can't deal with these subjects with any kind of seriousness. | ||
| I'm not going to get too deep into the weeds, and I'm not investing any energy in defending Kirshner's comments, but Alex is misrepresenting them. | ||
| Kirshner was talking about alleged reports in, quote, some cultures of grandmothers filleting children to calm them down when they're colicky. | ||
| He says that he doesn't know if these reports are true or if it's an effective treatment, but if those things were true, he doesn't understand what would be wrong about that action. | ||
| That's messed up. | ||
| I don't agree with Kirshner, and I think it's a bad line of inquiry to go down, but also, Alex is not dealing with what he's actually saying. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, here's what I would say to that argument. | ||
| Why? | ||
| And go away. | ||
| Just, uh, just, why? | ||
| Why? | ||
| What are you, were you not busy? | ||
| You've got something else to do other than make that argument. | ||
| You know? | ||
| You could put together a fence. | ||
| I think that there is a strain of contrarianness within the libertarian philosophy. | ||
| True, true. | ||
| And an obsession with these rigid ideas about self-ownership and what have you, and... | ||
| I think that they're a bad combination. | ||
| It would be nice if there was a strain of birdhouse building in Libertarians, you know? | ||
| Like, instead of this contrarianism that makes everybody pissed off and annoyed, go build a birdhouse! | ||
| It would be a good use of time. | ||
| I think it's a great use of time. | ||
| So Alex uses this to get into larger topics of his feelings about abuse towards children. | ||
| And that's partially because he doesn't actually know what this story is about Kirshner. | ||
| He doesn't look into it at all. | ||
| He can't really talk about it with any depth. | ||
| And so he needs to just use it as a launching pad for him to do his normal bullshit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so here is something that is fairly innocuous in terms of not being too disgusting. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But also I think is very illuminating. | ||
| So most of the people you see now, you notice they don't have children, the EU heads, because the majority of EU heads were involved in child sex slavery and torture. | ||
| As the recipients, as the victims, and then as victimizers. | ||
| So, the EU's executive branch is known as the European Commission, which includes 27 members. | ||
| The current president is Ursula von der Leyen, who has seven children. | ||
| There are three executive vice presidents. | ||
| Franz Timmermans has four children. | ||
| Margeth Vestager has three children. | ||
| And the third, Valdis Dobrovakis, doesn't have any children. | ||
| So, there's one. | ||
| There are four vice presidents. | ||
| Marcos Sefkovic has three children. | ||
| Vera Jarova has two. | ||
| Dobrovka Suica has one. | ||
| And Margaritas Shinias has two. | ||
| So almost all of these people have kids. | ||
| Right. | ||
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The stuff Alex is saying is just completely made up from his imagination. | |
| It would make sense that the EU leadership wouldn't have children if they were intent on breaking up the family and destroying everything. | ||
| And thus, it must be true that they don't have kids, even if almost all of them do. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| What you do is you have a pre- Predetermined conclusion and then work backwards from there. | ||
| By making things up. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Because the reality doesn't fit the predetermined conclusion and it feels better if you're right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm going to be overly generous to Alex and pretend that he meant the heads of countries that are members of the EU. | ||
| But even then, things get dumb really fast. | ||
| There are 27 member states of the EU, and here's a rapid fire of the country and the number of kids their head of state has. | ||
| All right, I like it. | ||
| Austria, two kids. | ||
| Belgium, two kids. | ||
| Bulgaria, two kids. | ||
| Croatia, two kids. | ||
| Cyprus, two kids. | ||
| Czech Republic, two kids. | ||
| Denmark, two kids. | ||
| All right, this is getting freaky, man. | ||
| I'm not liking this now. | ||
| Now I'm believing there's a weirder conspiracy. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| The two-kid conspiracy. | ||
| The two-kid conspiracy. | ||
| But here's where it changes. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| Estonia, three kids. | ||
| Finland, three kids. | ||
| France, no kids. | ||
| Germany, one kid. | ||
| Greece, one kid. | ||
| Hungary, four kids. | ||
| That's the president, but if you want to talk about the Prime Minister, Viktor Orban, he has five kids. | ||
| Ireland, four kids. | ||
| Italy, three kids. | ||
| Latvia, two kids. | ||
| Lithuania, two kids. | ||
| Luxembourg. | ||
| No kids, but their head of state is gay, and he just got married in 2015. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Malta, three kids. | ||
| Netherlands, none. | ||
| Ooh, there's one more example. | ||
| Poland, one kid. | ||
| Portugal, two kids. | ||
| Romania, no kids. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Slovakia, two kids. | ||
| Slovenia, one kid. | ||
| Spain, two kids. | ||
| Sweden, two kids. | ||
| That was excessive, and I apologize for putting you through that, but I did decide to not... | ||
| You had to do it. | ||
| But I also didn't say all their names. | ||
| No, you weren't going to lose. | ||
| You had no shot there. | ||
| I think it's important, though, to lay this out in detail to really make sure that the picture is clear that there is no basis for the things that Alex says. | ||
| He just makes up things that make his narrative seem more persuasive or feel right to him in the moment, and then he asserts them as fact. | ||
| And not just fact, but actually proof of a larger conspiracy that he's trying to sell his audience. | ||
| It's important to understand this dynamic because it's not a behavior that he uses sparingly, and if his audience approached his claims with even a basic level of scrutiny, a lot of them would collapse, having been shown to just be stuff that he's making up. | ||
| And he's engaging with a topic as sensitive and serious as child sexual abuse with the level of disrespect and irresponsibility that he's showing here, which should really disqualify him as a person you should take seriously about anything. | ||
| Yeah, and it shouldn't even take you two seconds to be like, well, that doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Look at our presidents. | ||
| Look at our fucking elected leaders, period. | ||
| Most of them, the vast majority of them, an absurd majority of them, have children and are in a nuclear-style family because we associate... | ||
| That's how it goes. | ||
| Of course, in other nations, they would do the same. | ||
| Here's what's going on. | ||
| I'm going to let you in on a secret. | ||
| Alex is just imagining Emmanuel Macron, and then he's universalizing the fact that Macron doesn't have any kids, and now everybody doesn't. | ||
| I would like to see how many members... | ||
| I'm not even going to ask for countries, because there's no chance there. | ||
| How many heads of state could he name in the EU? | ||
| Like, honestly. | ||
| Let me look at this list. | ||
| Because I guarantee his number one answer would be Boris Johnson, and they're not in the fucking EU anymore. | ||
| I think he could go for Macron. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Probably Orban. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Well, he would... | ||
| I mean, that's his only friend. | ||
| In the EU. | ||
| I don't even know if he would remember his name, though, too. | ||
| I think he'd say, like, that guy in Hungary who hates Soros. | ||
| That strong man, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The guy who's strong and powerful. | ||
| I'm looking at this list, and I don't think I've heard Alex say any of these other names. | ||
| Maybe Duda in Poland is the White Nationalism Association. | ||
| Well, right, yeah, that one helps. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| I don't think he knows his name either. | ||
| And it's not hard to remember. | ||
| It's Duda. | ||
| Duda, Duda. | ||
| Duda, yeah. | ||
| Camptown races going straight through Poland. | ||
| So, Alex, he takes some sidetracks in terms of talking about this larger story about abuse against children and weaves it into other things like, I don't know, COVID vaccine narratives. | ||
| The Pentagon's main AI program confirmed. | ||
| 300 to 500% increases in mycocarditis and heart attacks. | ||
| Multi-thousand percent increases in neurological disorders. | ||
| It just goes on and on. | ||
| And they confirmed that four months ago with the first eight, nine months of data. | ||
| Now the rest of the data is out. | ||
| We talked about it yesterday. | ||
| And it's the raw Pentagon data, not VIRS. | ||
| Theirs, but right from the hospitals, right from the files. | ||
| And, of course, it's exactly what the FDA knew and the CDC back in October of 2020 before the single injection was given. | ||
| They knew exactly what it would do, and there it is on screen. | ||
| And the enemies of freedom over at CNN and the other pedophile mouthpieces, the other vampire mouthpieces, that's what they are, psychic vampires. | ||
| They just use words like, oh, discredited disinformation. | ||
| But they never say what the disinformation is. | ||
| They never show you what they're talking about like we do. | ||
| They lie to you. | ||
| See, they're lying about Alex lying. | ||
| See, we tell you what disinformation we're giving you. | ||
| So this Pentagon thing is just a lie that Alex is taking from Senator Ron Johnson. | ||
| He had a recent panel on COVID vaccine side effects. | ||
| One of the reports that was presented showed surprisingly high rates of fairly serious side effects. | ||
| This was presented by an attorney named Thomas Renz, who was claiming that he got this information from Defense Medical Epidemiology Database, which was provided to him by three alleged whistleblowers. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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The thrust of this data was that conditions like Cancer, miscarriages, and neurological issues were way up compared to data from years prior to the vaccine being rolled out. | |
| The problem, however, was that Renz had bad data, or at least data that he didn't do a thorough job of vetting. | ||
| So Lead Stories reached out to the DOD for comment, and their spokesperson, Major Charlie Dietz, said that they'd run a review on their database and found that the database covering the years of 2016 to 2020, quote, represented only a small fraction of the actual medical diagnoses for those years. | ||
| In contrast, the 2021 total number of medical diagnoses were up to date. | ||
| Seems like we got a lot of information from Major Dietz. | ||
| It did. | ||
| Got the Dietz. | ||
| I gotcha. | ||
| There were... | ||
| I feel like at this point I'm doing that because that's funny. | ||
| Like strong-arming you. | ||
| I feel like I'm leaning into that and it's rude. | ||
| But I still enjoy it. | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| So they were able to determine this differentiation and the only being a small fraction of the actual diagnoses because they were able to compare datasets from the Defense Medical Epidemiology Database and the Defense Medical Surveillance System. | ||
| It turns out that the latter has full information, but Thomas Renz, this guy, got numbers from the prior. | ||
| So he had the incomplete data set. | ||
| This effect, what it did is it created the appearance that there were sharp increases this year, when that's actually just the result of the data set being incomplete. | ||
| Anyway, Alex is lying about this, and the thing about them knowing about side effects prior to the vaccine rolling out was just from a PowerPoint presentation he's made up a story about. | ||
| I think in that clip, though, what's valuable is that you can see an important dynamic. | ||
| Alex says that this comes from DOD numbers and specifically says that it's not from VAERS. | ||
| He constantly reports on bullshit that Steve Kirsch is peddling from misusing VAERS data, but now that Alex feels like he's got a stronger source to use, he builds up that source by comparing it favorably to VAERS. | ||
| This isn't VAERS! | ||
| Yeah, he traded up. | ||
| Yeah, that indicates to me that Alex has at least a... | ||
| Something of a keen awareness that the stuff based on Ver's numbers was always bullshit, but he used it because it was the only option he had in order to make his narratives work and sensationalize shit. | ||
| I feel like this is a very similar dynamic that Alex has to when he reports stories and says it's in the mainstream news. | ||
| There's an unspoken second part of that sentence, which he speaks in the case of this clip here about Ver's. | ||
| But it hits too close to home in the case of the mainstream news things, because the full thought there is actually, it's in the mainstream news, not on our dumb site that no one should take seriously. | ||
| It's in the mainstream news, which, parentheses, is more reliable, and parentheses. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's not in VAERS, it's in this actual data. | ||
| It's in the real data, and parentheses. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think he tells on himself a little bit. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he mentioned vampires. | ||
| Psychic ones. | ||
| Well, yes. | ||
| As opposed to ones that are nailed into their homes in Wuhan. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He doesn't get into the Chinese COVID vampires. | ||
| But he started thinking about psychic vampires. | ||
| I mean, it's time to fucking call this professor a Renfield. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| And start talking about Dracula. | ||
| Great. | ||
| So I call this guy the Renfield type. | ||
| Again, it's all an archetype. | ||
| You've got Count Dracula. | ||
| And he's royalty from the Carpathian Mountains and he moves to London because they all knew that the Saxe-Coburgothas were Romanian, Hungarian, not even German. | ||
| And so it's all that archetype. | ||
| So Alex is trying to suggest, I guess, that Bram Stoker wrote Dracula about the Saxe-Coburg Gothas? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| So here's the problem. | ||
| The British royalty being connected to the Saxe-Coburg Gotha line didn't begin until Edward VII, who was the son of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert of the Saxe-Coburg family. | ||
| Edward would begin his time as monarch in 1901. | ||
| Conversely, Dracula, the Bram Stoker book, was published in 1897 and had been a project he had been working on for the better part of a decade, largely because of his study of Transylvanian folklore that informed the novel. | ||
| Romanian culture featured a vampiric creature called the Strigoi, upon which Stoker's version of Dracula is based, likely with a bit of Vlad the Impaler thrown in for good measure. | ||
| Many have speculated. | ||
| Yeah, it's fun. | ||
| Again, this is an instance of Alex just making up a story about the little pieces of trivia that he thinks are connected, but they aren't really, except for in his imagination. | ||
| He's a liar who can't stop himself from just making things up if that's easier for him in terms of being able to present himself like he knows everything. | ||
| Also, Alex ends up going on a meandering interpretation of the plot of the movie Dracula instead of getting to the point. | ||
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Which Dracula? | |
| I think the 1992 one. | ||
| Bram Stoker's Dracula starring Gary Oldman? | ||
| Yeah, I believe so. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I haven't seen all of the Dracula canon, but I would assume it's that one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think it's Nosferatu. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I doubt it. | ||
| Although that one would be fun. | ||
| Yeah, but he does that instead of getting to the point about this professor because he doesn't want to cover that story. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it's because he doesn't have anything to say about the story except to connect it to ramblings about Renfields and Draculas and to yell about his particular Picadillos. | ||
| It's a dumb show. | ||
| Yeah, there's only one Dracula and that's Leslie Nielsen. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He's loving it. | ||
| He's loving it. | ||
| I was going to say Bubba Hotep, but I think that was more mummies, right? | ||
| Yeah, that was more mummies. | ||
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| Yeah, that's a good one, though. | ||
| So, anyway, here is where we get to clips that I would actually say are particularly disgusting. | ||
| Fucked up. | ||
| So, skip ahead if you don't want to hear the next two clips. | ||
| Hit the press 30 seconds button. | ||
| It might be a little more than that, but this ain't good. | ||
| He's not going out and getting a woman. | ||
| He's not working hard. | ||
| He's not changing diapers. | ||
| He's not up with kids when they're sick at 2 a.m. | ||
| He's not taking them fishing. | ||
| He's not loving on them when they're scared at night. | ||
| He's just talking about how it's good for them to have a man stick his penis in them. | ||
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And how parents better back off and shut up. | |
| And the schools are teaching white kids they're evil. | ||
| And the schools are teaching kids America sucks. | ||
| And the schools are teaching kids they can be another gender. | ||
| All of it is a war on humanity, period. | ||
| I have no idea if Kushner has kids or is married, and neither does Alex. | ||
| This clip is disgusting, but it also is fairly illuminating in terms of one of Alex's more insidious rhetorical tactics. | ||
| He gets all worked up yelling about this one story that he has a very shallow grasp on, and he's building up this energy. | ||
| Then he pivots to a completely unrelated set of topics, and he carries that same energy over, which is meant to allow the audience to make an emotional connection between these unrelated narratives. | ||
| He builds up this anger and hatred for Kushner, Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| and one part that he really can't do anything else. | ||
| He's not capable of covering any story with any real depth, so... | ||
| There isn't really another option for him than ranting wildly and pretending everything he's talking about is connected. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But, of course, there's another thing he's trying to use this energy for, and you can see it in this also very disgusting clip that comes just after the last one we heard. | ||
| And this guy's like, Grandma's gonna suck your babies off! | ||
| I mean, folks, they're just gonna vomit their evil on us. | ||
| They're never gonna stop until they all go to prison. | ||
| We got a major pedophile demon problem here, okay? | ||
| It's happened in every other culture. | ||
| It's repeated itself again, and these people are coming after me because they know I know who they are. | ||
| That's why we need money to fight these monsters and the Democratic Party and all their armies. | ||
| That's why I'm fighting these pedophiles, period. | ||
| That's who runs them. | ||
| That's who I face. | ||
| And I can't beat these vampires without your help. | ||
| So go to InfowarStore.com. | ||
| There's a lot of sales going on over there. | ||
| Yeah, you can see the way that this... | ||
| This strategy works. | ||
| Here's what I'm doing. | ||
| I'm taking money away from people who fight pedophiles. | ||
| There is a conversation that somebody could very easily have about the distaste and disapproval of the comments that Kirshner made in that interview. | ||
| I don't disagree with Alex taking issue with them. | ||
| I do take issue with his inability to engage with... | ||
| The actual story, his clear non-awareness of anything surrounding it, except for that he's supposed to get mad about it because Joe Rogan told him about it the night before, and his use of it specifically only to create passion surrounding his other issues that he seems really, really invested in, and to make a compelling emotional argument for people to give him money. | ||
| I think that this is just disgusting. | ||
| I mean, it's fucked because if you saw somebody setting up like a fucking AIDS charity and saying, please donate so I can fight... | ||
| The horrific disease of AIDS. | ||
| And then you found out that all they did was fuck all and make their own fucking radio show better. | ||
| That would be fraud. | ||
| You'd be furious with that person. | ||
| He is saying that he's doing something that he is not doing. | ||
| No, and I mean, we saw this even more directly a couple years back when there was that episode with Craig Sawman Sawyer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was even more directly a fraud. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah, so at this point, I think maybe the more distasteful clips have passed. | ||
| Unless, of course, you consider listening to Marjorie Taylor Greene specifically distasteful. | ||
| Yeah, I would say so. | ||
| And then there's still a content warning. | ||
| We've got ways to go. | ||
| So here's just another clip of Alex's sales pitch, though, before we get to her. | ||
| And we can build our war chest and build our infrastructure and just have your prayer and your word of mouth and your financial support just to ram these suckers head on. | ||
| You got my commitment to never back down or give up, but I can give out unless you energize me. | ||
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I need your prayers and I need your funds and word of mouth now, and I will never surrender. | |
| I will destroy these people with God's help, but I need you! | ||
| I need you! | ||
| That's so fake. | ||
| But it's a really interesting way to do an abusive ad pitch. | ||
| Alex is basically saying that if he fails, it's only because the audience didn't support him enough and give him enough money. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's a perfect way for a narcissist to relate to the world. | ||
| Nothing can be his fault. | ||
| It's just gross. | ||
| Yeah, and man, it gets even worse. | ||
| You realize that he's saying that he's fighting pedophiles, and then he's going to take that money and use it to avoid giving the parents of Sandy Hook Victims' money. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, this is fucked up in so many ways. | ||
| There's a lot of layers. | ||
| It's evil! | ||
| Well, now you're working Alex's side of the street. | ||
| I'm sorry! | ||
| Calling things evil. | ||
| I'm not saying it's... | ||
| I'm just saying it's morally bankrupt in a way that would really fuck me up for the rest of my life. | ||
| If I did one thing in this chain of events, I would spend the rest of my life, like, in confession. | ||
| Well, Alex, I guess he has a much closer relationship to God than you do, and he can get auto-forgivenesses. | ||
| That's probably true. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| I wish my phone had one of those. | ||
| Auto-forgive? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, this segment is over, and now Alex is welcoming Marjorie Taylor Greene to the show. | ||
| And the introduction, I think, is a little bit self-serving on Alex's part. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Great new people the last few years have gotten into Congress for defending this republic. | ||
| But out of all of them, the most informative and interesting and brave has got to be Marjorie Taylor Greene. | ||
| We really appreciate her joining us. | ||
| Because, you know, CNN, MSNBC, they try to say people shouldn't interview her. | ||
| They try to say she shouldn't be allowed to be on the Internet or be on shows. | ||
| She should be banned, and she has been. | ||
| And, oh, you shouldn't talk to Alex Jones either. | ||
| We should all be scared of each other as nationalists and as populists. | ||
| But we're not. | ||
| And we're coming together. | ||
| CNN, on average, has 100,000 viewers. | ||
| Joe Rogan, on average, 11 million conservatively. | ||
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That's... | |
| More than 20 times bigger. | ||
| This show has over 3 to 4 million viewers considerably a day. | ||
| They're a joke. | ||
| The people have spoken. | ||
| They want freedom. | ||
| They want justice. | ||
| I thought you were trying to introduce your guests. | ||
| Now you're bragging about you and Joe's audiences? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Then, I mean, then why are you mad? | ||
| Why are you mad that... | ||
| CNN won't have you on. | ||
| They've only got 100,000 viewers. | ||
| Yeah, it should be small potatoes. | ||
| Yeah, shouldn't you not give a fuck at all about what CNN says instead of constantly harping about how it's the worst thing that ever happened to you? | ||
| And, like, I've heard this from some of our listeners before, and I kind of feel similarly, that, like, if it weren't for Alex, I'd have no idea who Brian Stelter was. | ||
| Like, he's elevating these people. | ||
| Yes, absolutely! | ||
| Yeah, it's a strange strategy. | ||
| It kind of makes me think that the things he's saying aren't true. | ||
| So Marjorie comes in and blah, bad off the jump. | ||
| So, Congresswoman, thanks for joining us. | ||
| Thanks so much for having me on, Alex. | ||
| Oh my God, that's what she sounds like. | ||
| So I'm thrilled to be here. | ||
| I'm a big fan of yours as well. | ||
| I hope to meet you sometime in person. | ||
| Where do you want to start? | ||
| Maybe the state of the country, Biden, where things are going? | ||
| That's a bad start, that she's a big fan of Alex. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| She's in Congress. | ||
| I've never heard her speak before. | ||
| I've always avoided it. | ||
| You know, like I never listened to, I never heard Trump talk for like three years, you know, that kind of thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's awful. | ||
| Who voted for her? | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Some people in Georgia, apparently. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| So yeah, she's pretty adept at using the buzzwords and what have you. | ||
| And then she brings up primary season. | ||
| Great. | ||
| And I think that, I have some thoughts on that. | ||
| It's the Republican rhinos who walk and talk and act like us, and then they do different things behind closed doors with the way they vote and legislate and the people they take money from. | ||
| And unfortunately, those Republicans have joined with the Democrats, and it's been happening for a really long time. | ||
| They serve the globalist agenda. | ||
| And as a matter of fact, today I'm waiting to have to go vote here in just a little bit against the Competes Act. | ||
| And that's what Nancy Pelosi is bringing to the House floor today. | ||
| She's working on getting that done while we're working through amendments. | ||
| They don't want the Republican amendments to change it. | ||
| And this is a so-called bill that's supposed to go against China and help America to compete. | ||
| But all honesty, the truth is it serves the climate change radical agenda. | ||
| China first and America last. | ||
| And it's all Build Back Better and Green New Deal just rewritten into something that she lies and calls America Competes Act. | ||
| So it's the same song and dance, but it's Mitch McConnell and the Lindsey Grahams and many Republicans here that have allowed these things to happen to our country. | ||
| And this is why primary season is so important. | ||
| This is why everyone needs to get involved. | ||
| And we have to make sure that we send the right people to Congress. | ||
| People like me, people who are willing to fight because we have to save our country. | ||
| And sadly, it's in a bad place right now. | ||
| They've been doing everything they can to suppress you. | ||
| They've really been scared of you without going on the laundry list of censorship and things that have happened. | ||
| So that's a melange of meaningless words. | ||
| But Green does have a good point. | ||
| Primary season is important. | ||
| I think she should be worried. | ||
| So she won the GOP primary in 2020 in a runoff election against the person who came in second in the original vote, John Cowan. | ||
| Interestingly, in the runoff, Marjorie Taylor Greene got almost the exact same number of votes as she did in the original election. | ||
| She got the crazy vote. | ||
| In the election, the runoff, she got 43,813 votes. | ||
| In the original election, she got 43,892 votes. | ||
| Ooh, she lost! | ||
| 89 or 79 voters? | ||
| What did she do to piss them off? | ||
| Meanwhile, John Cowan earned just over 10,000 additional votes in the runoff, which strongly suggests that Marjorie Taylor Greene has a very firm ceiling to her popularity, at least as it relates to the primary. | ||
| As for the general election, she was probably going to win that no matter what, since Georgia's 14th district is a Republican plus 27 district. | ||
| But she was also essentially running unopposed after the Democratic candidate Kevin Van Ossetel unofficially withdrew from the race prior to the election. | ||
| Right. | ||
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The fact that it's a district that swings heavily to the GOP might actually, you know, it might be helpful in the general, but it's no good for Green in the primary. | |
| And she's facing four challengers in the GOP primary this year. | ||
| A couple of them stand to possibly draw votes away by appealing to the public as a person who has the same kind of America-first politics, but without the baggage of Green's past associations with QAnon and some of the liabilities she has to be taking seriously, like going on fucking info wars. | ||
| That one would be a big one. | ||
| There's another potential problem that she has, though, and that's that registered Democrats can vote in the GOP primary in Georgia. | ||
| If enough Democratic voters decided to punt on the Democratic primary and instead vote in the GOP primary, they could essentially sink Green's candidacy. | ||
| I don't have much faith that anyone would be able to pull off this sort of organization or anything, but... | ||
| If public sentiment were strongly opposed to her enough, the Democratic Party could essentially choose between GOP primary candidates. | ||
| Who would inevitably end up winning in the general. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| The district is GOP plus 27, so there's almost no chance that the Democratic candidate is going to win in the general. | ||
| And Marjorie Taylor Greene is a complete lunatic who poses a threat to having a functioning government. | ||
| So it might not be the worst electoral strategy to use the votes that do exist to make sure that she can't make it to the general. | ||
| I mean, for fuck's sake, based on her previous actions in Congress, she's a danger to the lives of other Congress people. | ||
| I feel like you might be mixing her and Lauren Boebert up. | ||
| No, no, I know that. | ||
| But no, I mean, she's gone right up into people's faces, you know? | ||
| And prior to being in Congress, she did say that Nancy Pelosi should be hung. | ||
| There was that. | ||
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| There was that. | ||
| She has made it very clear that she would prefer the deaths of her colleagues to, I guess, regular legislation. | ||
| Yeah, I think that there could be a really interesting movement that Democrats in Georgia could attempt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that it would be... | ||
| Highly controversial. | ||
| I mean, it'd be hilarious. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They would be real mad. | ||
| And I think one of the inherent problems of it would have to be that everyone would have to probably get behind the same GOP candidate. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And I think that could be difficult. | ||
| Or they could just have fun with it. | ||
| No, but then she might still win. | ||
| Ah! | ||
| How many candidates are there? | ||
| She has four competitors, but they might not all make it to the primary. | ||
| With a total of, what, like, less than 100,000 votes, obviously. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, primary voting is usually lower. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, so... | ||
| I think they could probably get just about anybody they wanted in, and then they would waste the Georgia legislature's time having to go back and be like, fine, we can't allow Democrats to vote in primaries. | ||
| Great. | ||
| They have to switch it from an open primary. | ||
| Yeah, we have to change our laws now, because you guys ruined it for everybody. | ||
| That'll be fun. | ||
| It's the same sort of thing. | ||
| There's nothing in the rules that says the horse can't play football. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| This is absolutely an air-bud situation. | ||
| So apparently Green got kicked off Twitter recently, which she is fucking pumped about. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| And what is it about you that scares them so much that you're a private businesswoman, that you've been successful, that you're loyal to the country? | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| But I don't back down. | ||
| And I refuse to stop doing and saying the things that I'm doing. | ||
| You know, I just got kicked off of Twitter and I wear that with like a badge of honor. | ||
| Joining you and so many others that have been kicked off that hateful, evil, leftist platform that just spread lies and basically controls politics and messaging in the media. | ||
| And I'm so happy I got kicked off. | ||
| You know, anyone that gets persecuted by these type of platforms, you really... | ||
| Again, just trying to pretend that their self-imposed persecution complex is the same thing as virtue. | ||
| Yeah, this is an empty psychopath. | ||
| This is a terrifying... | ||
| But it's also fun how she can wear getting kicked off Twitter as a badge of honor because Twitter is such a gross den of leftist garbage or whatever. | ||
| This really raises the question of why she was ever there in the first place, and that's kind of obvious. | ||
| It's because it's the biggest platform of its kind. | ||
| She was able to post inflammatory things there to raise donations and gather attention. | ||
| She never left because walking just up to the line of getting kicked off Twitter was an essential part of her business plan. | ||
| And now that it's happened, the only real... | ||
| That's the ticket. | ||
| I think the hard right learned their lesson with Laura Loomer about what happens when you complain about getting kicked off. | ||
| It does not work. | ||
| You look real weak. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they don't like that. | ||
| Especially, like, the trying to handcuff yourself to Twitter's door. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That was dumb. | ||
| Yeah, you need to have this defiant attitude as opposed to, like, woe is me. | ||
| Walk on the wild side. | ||
| Be like, oh, see, it's finally time they got rid of me. | ||
| You know, like that whole thing. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Be thankful for the time that you were. | ||
| We're able to grift attention and donations. | ||
| The real ban is the friends you made along the way. | ||
| Don't be sad because it's gone. | ||
| Be happy because you had that time on Twitter. | ||
| May the road rise ever to greet you. | ||
| Solange. | ||
| So Green has some interesting thoughts, and by that I mean not interesting thoughts, but similar thoughts to Alex about COVID. | ||
| It's pure evil. | ||
| And what's even worse is how the FDA has said that doctors can't prescribe ivermectin. | ||
| And now they're saying monoclonal antibodies can't be used against COVID-19 because they're saying it doesn't work against Omicron. | ||
| And they're forcing masks on children and on people across the world. | ||
| I mean, this is truly mental illness. | ||
| Wearing a mask today after two years of this Chinese virus that has infected our country, this man-made She's in Congress. | ||
| She's in Congress, man. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Just... | ||
| Just wow. | ||
| Just an absolute raving nutcase. | ||
| Imagine... | ||
| This is the thing that blows my mind. | ||
| Sometimes whenever I stop to back off about how this is the culture war and how everybody just digs in for no fucking reason on shit. | ||
| Why is everybody standing ivermectin so hard? | ||
| I get that Trump did it so you don't want him to look bad, but we're past it. | ||
| Can't it just go away? | ||
| It doesn't do any good. | ||
| No, because it's an essential argument of why the vaccine is unnecessary. | ||
| I know, but it's a... | ||
| You're standing a chemical? | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| The argument goes basically like this. | ||
| There is no reason to have given emergency authorization to this vaccine if ivermectin works so well. | ||
| And so you have to hold on to the idea that ivermectin worked or else your argument falls apart that there was actually cause to give emergency authorization to the vaccine. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so in order to not have to let that domino fall and then their entire anti-vax argument starts to crumble around it, they have to hold on to this nonsense long past its expiration date. | ||
| I suppose, but... | ||
| So, speaking of ivermectin, Green likes it and has some dangerous ideas. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But I think that... | ||
| That people really have blood on their hands that have stopped the prescriptions of ivermectin, refuse people who have had sick family members in the hospital of not being able to take ivermectin or any other kind of life-saving treatment or therapy. | ||
| I mean, I truly think that we need to investigate all these people and investigate the deaths that are reported on the VAERS system and hold people accountable because it's Dr. Fauci and anyone at the CDC or anyone involved that stopped life-saving treatment. | ||
| and therapies and people died, well, I think they're guilty of murder. | ||
| You're absolutely right. | ||
| This is a really dangerous line for Green to be suggesting and for Alex to be agreeing with. | ||
| And I don't mean that it's societally dangerous. | ||
| I mean, it's dangerous for them. | ||
| So her belief is that people who've stopped life-saving therapies should be charged with murder. | ||
| But if that's carried to its logical conclusion, she better hope that no one ever proves that the vaccine is a life-saving treatment. | ||
| Unfortunately, that's been overwhelmingly documented, whereas the proof of her bullshit about ivermectin is not. | ||
| Whoa, so we've got all of Infowars and Fox News and Joe Rogan, all of them on the hook for murder. | ||
| Using her logic, yes. | ||
| Murder one, at least! | ||
| Using her logic, it would be very easy to construct an argument that if people who refuse the vaccine because they're elected leaders or demagogues like Alex told them it was dangerous and a plot to kill everyone, that happened. | ||
| And they died of COVID, then Alex or Green should be charged with murder. | ||
| And it's premeditated, and it's for money. | ||
| Man, these people are serial killers for bounties! | ||
| It's not like Fauci was physically slapping ivermectin out of people's hands. | ||
| It was just recommendations that the CDC gave. | ||
| You could still get ivermectin, and there's a little industry that popped up of doctors online who would prescribe it for you, and Alex has had them on as guests. | ||
| Similarly, Alex and Green aren't forcing anyone to not get the vaccine. | ||
| They're just giving medical advice. | ||
| And if you could demonstrate that this medical advice contributed to someone dying from COVID by their own standard, they should be charged with murder. | ||
| I guess all that would take is finding someone who died and was a fan of Alex's. | ||
| There's one guy named Doug Kuzma, who's a conspiracy theory podcaster who died of COVID in early January after likely catching it at the Reawaken America rally in Dallas in mid-December, which Alex actually spoke at. | ||
| His Facebook isn't public anymore, but I wouldn't be too surprised to see some Infowars reposts and Alex narratives about COVID flying around. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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It's just relevant to recognize that the standard that these people like Alex and Green are setting about their imaginary complaints about Fauci, if applied to themselves, would lead to them being sent to jail for a very long time. | |
| They're fucking stupid. | ||
| Alright, I think you've made it very clear that you and I need to stop recording right now and go perform a citizen's arrest on Alex Jones for the crime of murder. | ||
| Knock, knock, knock. | ||
| You bust him. | ||
| I know you're in there. | ||
| By the way, if I did do that, I would arrest him in his voice. | ||
| I would have to do the equation. | ||
| Yeah, you would do it back at him to make him even more angry. | ||
| You have the right to remain silent. | ||
| Hey, that's not fair. | ||
| You shouldn't talk to me like that. | ||
| You have the right to lie. | ||
| So, Alex is interviewing Green, and there's this little bit of tension, kind of, and that is that at any moment she might have to go give a vote. | ||
| Because she, again, she's in Congress. | ||
| Man, that's real, real bummer town. | ||
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| So she discusses this vote that she's going to have to take, and it's about this compete act. | ||
| We had a great conversation during the break and she wanted to get back in to this compete bill that she was telling me is the whole leftist agenda, the Build Back Better, the whole carbon tax agenda. | ||
| Tell us about this bill. | ||
| Well, this is the bill that Nancy Pelosi is pushing to the floor and I'm going to show you guys. | ||
| It's going to be hard for you to see, but this is the bill. | ||
| This is odd. | ||
| It's approximately 3,000 pages, and it's unbelievable. | ||
| They gave it to us on Monday as if we're supposed to all be able to read it and then vote on it, likely, possibly today, maybe tomorrow. | ||
| It's your job! | ||
| The government's office operates. | ||
| And it shouldn't operate this way. | ||
| It's filled with complete garbage. | ||
| Everything in there totally hurts our country. | ||
| It serves all of AOC's climate change, Green New Deal agenda. | ||
| It gives $8 billion for climate change. | ||
| It gives billions of dollars to the UN. | ||
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It gives all of this money away that does nothing for our country. | |
| And get this, Alex, it only mentions the world's. | ||
| Only once? | ||
| From the CCP is what's coming across our border, killing our young people every single day at record numbers. | ||
| But that's Nancy Pelosi for you. | ||
| So, for one thing, it is difficult to read long bills, but like you screamed, that's part of the job. | ||
| It's why your representatives have staff that can help out with that. | ||
| And honestly, she sounds like someone who's like, you gave me too much homework, and that's why I didn't do it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, and she's complaining. | ||
| It's impossible to read this book. | ||
| I can't believe this. | ||
| So, in this case, it shouldn't be that big of an ask, because this isn't really a new bill. | ||
| A version of it passed the Senate last July by a 68-32 vote, which means that it had bipartisan support. | ||
| And if this is something that is some kind of like a socialist fantasy bill like she seems to be pretending, it seems really weird that Bernie Sanders voted against it. | ||
| But I guess Marjorie probably knows better. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I don't think that Bernie complained about not being able to read it. | ||
| No, I'm pretty sure he was like, I can't vote for this because I've never worked in government before! | ||
| A lot of the points she's making are just stupid. | ||
| Like, I reject the premise that spending money on various places and investing in things like the UN does nothing for our country. | ||
| I just think that's obviously incorrect on its face. | ||
| You don't even need to... | ||
| That's not an argument. | ||
| The Senate version of this bill, also. | ||
| It said fentanyl 17 times. | ||
| Ooh, they removed 16 mentions of fentanyl? | ||
| Maybe when the bills are reconciled, that number will get bumped up a little bit. | ||
| Also, in the interest of just complete fairness, the version of the bill in the House that came out of the Rules Committee used the word fentanyl 10 times. | ||
| So this is progress, according to Green. | ||
| Alright, here's what I'm saying. | ||
| They have to put fentanyl eight times into the reconciled bill, plus just nil, one point. | ||
| 8.5 times. | ||
| And a paragraph about how great Alex's character, Fentanyl the Dragon, is. | ||
| That's a good paragraph. | ||
| I like that one. | ||
| So in reality, this bill seeks to do a lot of things that, in terms of lip service, Alex is in favor of, like supporting manufacturing in the United States, particularly in the area of semiconductors. | ||
| Ultimately, though, it's government spending, and the leaders he seems to respect have somehow crafted very strong opinions on the bill without reading it, so it's gotta be evil and must be stopped. | ||
| This is baby politics. | ||
| Yeah, this is nonsense. | ||
| This is really, really sad. | ||
| This is really sad. | ||
| It's odd. | ||
| It would be nice to live in the early 1800s, you know, before you knew how to read. | ||
| You couldn't pay attention. | ||
| You didn't know what the government was doing, so you couldn't immediately be like, oh, well, obviously, I, with my third grade education, am more qualified to work in the government than most of the people there. | ||
| But here, you and I, I've almost got a college degree. | ||
| And that lady should be out of Congress, my friend. | ||
| It's troubling. | ||
| So, like I said, earlier in the episode, I felt like this is obviously trolling on a certain level. | ||
| Having Green on the show. | ||
| Not necessarily the entire interview, but there were going to be parts that were trolling. | ||
| And I think that this is one of them. | ||
| You know, I'd like to see you as the Speaker of the House. | ||
| They're really scared about the midterms in 279 days, but I'm concerned about election fraud. | ||
| I am, too. | ||
| I'm very concerned about it. | ||
| And actually, most Republican voters are concerned about it. | ||
| And they've been very upset that Republicans up here on the Hill haven't taken it serious. | ||
| But we should take it serious because a stolen presidential election is the most serious thing that could happen in our country. | ||
| And we've seen the outcome of Joe Biden becoming our president for the past year. | ||
| And it's been horrific. | ||
| And we've been suffering ever since. | ||
| Didn't you win the last congressional election by the record number? | ||
| Well, sure. | ||
| Well, the reason I raise that is you're what people want. | ||
| Alex is just asking that part about the record margin because it's one of his talking points about her, and he just made it up or saw it in a meme, but he's hoping to solidify it with her. | ||
| It would have been nice if she was like, yeah, I want it by... | ||
| It doesn't have to be true, Marjorie. | ||
| No, and I applaud her for not just going along with it because it would feel good in the moment. | ||
| I don't applaud her, however, for saying that the 2020 election was stolen. | ||
| That sucks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, the good news here is that there's no chance, even if the GOP takes back the House, that Green will be the Speaker. | ||
| She isn't even in the House GOP leadership right now, and would never be able to rally the kind of support she would need to get into the Speakership. | ||
| With almost zero doubt, if the House flipped, Kevin McCarthy would be the Speaker. | ||
| And maybe, if you wanted to get real weird, you might see Steve Scalise be able to put together the kind of support he'd need from his position as the minority whip. | ||
| I was gonna say, I... | ||
| Ooh, that'd be interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Green would undoubtedly be able to make a lot of noise and get people to yell about how she should be the speaker. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| But in terms of that meaning anything to the congressional process, it's just, it's pointless. | ||
| And that's one of the reasons why I think that Alex is just trying to gather headlines. | ||
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| He's trying to get people to, and I think that the people did. | ||
| They followed through with it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex wants Marjorie Greene. | ||
| Look at the ridiculous claim that they're making on the, oh, we gotta write an article. | ||
| It's a claim that Alex knows is ridiculous, and for all her inability to exist as an actual legislator, she knows it's nonsense, too. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| So, we get to January 6th talk a little bit. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Not great. | ||
| You're what people want. | ||
| An amazing, powerful, smart, beautiful woman promoting freedom, and that... | ||
| Is what scares the Democrats, and that's why they want to demonize you and have tried to expel you from Congress for January 6th. | ||
| They're trying to say I'm involved, the Democrats are as well. | ||
| I mean, how crazy is that? | ||
| Because I know you wanted to have the 10-day Senate investigation that's in law and totally legal. | ||
| That's what I wanted. | ||
| The last thing we wanted was that fiasco. | ||
| But I'm really concerned about the vast majority of folks were not violent and are innocent political prisoners, and we really appreciate the fact that you've gone and tried to shed light on what's happened to them. | ||
| I suspect that Alex is mostly bringing up January 6th so he can weave together his own personal victimhood and get Green to talk about them being in that struggle together, like that kind of camaraderie. | ||
| It's kind of dumb, though, partially because Green's record on the 6th is not good. | ||
| For one thing, her actions leading up to the 6th explicitly fanned the flames of the conspiracies that led up to the storming of the Capitol and tweeted, Fight for Trump! | ||
| Just before it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Perhaps more dicey was the revelation that one of her close associates, Anthony Aguero, was one of the people who breached the Capitol. | ||
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| She has some pretty weird conflicts of interest when it comes to her positions on the folks involved that day, and I don't think I'm too keen to look to her as any kind of impartial voice on the matter. | ||
| Ah, man, I would argue that she's close enough to a co-conspirator. | ||
| Also, no one's afraid of Green because she believes in freedom and is so strong and powerful. | ||
| It's because she's completely insane and is now in a position of power which she could easily abuse. | ||
| In 2017, she called QAnon, quote, a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. | ||
| She wrote blog posts about the Unite the Right rally being an inside job, promoted Pizzagate conspiracies, and wrote on Facebook that Nancy Pelosi had committed treason and should be executed. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| proved that Pizzagate was real. | ||
| She wrote about how Antifa was trying to bring about white genocide and how the Las Vegas shooting was a false flag. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Her life and work has demonstrated a clear pattern of someone who can't assess information competently and who should be nowhere near the levers of power. | |
| She believes complete bullshit and these beliefs motivate her to act in ways that could be seriously dangerous, as illustrated by how her bullshit beliefs around the 2020 Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And she writes her name in crayon on all of her votes. | ||
| Well, that's just because the guards... | ||
| Yeah, if they won't let her have a pencil, she could hurt herself. | ||
| Or others, really. | ||
| She chose to have her congressional office in Vacaville prison. | ||
| Well, you know, if she would stop smearing her shit all over the walls... | ||
| So, she has some theories about January 6th. | ||
| This is dumb. | ||
| It's people like Ray Epps who were telling people to go into the Capitol, urging people to go in the Capitol, take the Capitol, and all these horrible things that Ray Epps said. | ||
| And I didn't see Ray Epps in the D.C. jail, Alex, when I went in there, when I saw these pre-trial January 6th defendants being held in solitary confinement roughly 22 to 23 hours a day. | ||
| I didn't see Ray Epps in there. | ||
| And so we need to do these investigations when Republicans take back the House, if we're able to take back the House after this election cycle. | ||
| But we need to go in there and we need to find out what's going on, because Ray Epps is the one question that no one can answer. | ||
| And the fact that Adam Kinzinger lives changed. | ||
| and the rest of the disgusting January 6 clown committee is defending this guy, just shows you and exposes all of their lies. | ||
| They can't dare come after someone like you, Alex, or innocent people that got legal rally permits or people that worked for Trump. | ||
| Trump's administration, staffers, and so on. | ||
| They shouldn't come after any of you if they're going to stand there and let Ray Epps off the hook, because we know what he did. | ||
| He is clearly guilty of more than anyone. | ||
| The only evidence these ding-dongs have at all that Ray Epps was somehow involved in plotting to storm the Capitol is that the night before, he was hanging around outside and said that people should go into the Capitol the next day when talking to a random person who was video recording him. | ||
| Before January 6th, I would guess that upwards of tens of people had seen that video, and if this is the standard that Green is going to use to insist that someone's guilty, then Alex's longtime associate, Matt Bracken, should be far higher on her list of people to arrest. | ||
| He was on air on Infowars about a week prior to the 6th, saying, Far more emphatically than Epps did that people needed to storm the Capitol. | ||
| He even used the word storm, as we covered. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's points like this that really highlight how the whole thing with Ray Epps isn't a sincere argument being put forth by Green and her ilk. | ||
| It's an act of trying to create a scapegoat to obscure the larger picture of how the information space that she's a major participant in led directly to what happened on the 6th, and if we ever grappled with that realistically, she'd be in serious trouble. | ||
| In order to make sure that we never grapple with that issue realistically, it's imperative for Green to just push whatever the current right-wing distraction narrative is. | ||
| That's all that's going on here. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, and it's just so fucking annoying because it's like, you could give them ray-ups. | ||
| Even if the government was like, hey, listen, we know he's not guilty, but just to shut you assholes up... | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| We're going to charge him with the rest of you guys. | ||
| And then he'll get off on a not guilty charge. | ||
| They still be like, oh, well, it's somebody else. | ||
| It's somebody else. | ||
| Or they threw the case in order to let him off. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's just the problem is they did it. | ||
| And they won't own up to it. | ||
| It is a problem. | ||
| So, I want to say this though, there were some concerns about some of the inmates being put in solitary confinement, but this is not a unique problem for these January 6th participants. | ||
| It's been a long-standing complaint that prison reform activists have been raising in regards to the Fairfax County Jail. | ||
| Their rights absolutely should be respected, but it's a bit telling that these prison dynamics weren't really a top priority for the right wing until their insurrectionist buddies were the ones in jail. | ||
| Wait a second, it's happening to me? | ||
| Well now I'm mad! | ||
| Or people I can identify. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Anyway, they ended up creating a wing in the D.C. Correctional Treatment Facility just for January 6th suspects. | ||
| And apparently it's such a fucked up place that Thomas Sibic, a dude who's facing charges about the 6th, requested that he be put in solitary confinement rather than have to exist in that environment, which he described as toxic and cult-like. | ||
| Didn't they already have a Klan wing of the... | ||
| Anyway, he ultimately was released to home confinement instead of giving his wish to go into solitary to get away from these weirdos. | ||
| Just no more... | ||
| I like Jews. | ||
| I like them. | ||
| Just leave me alone. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| This isn't to, like, minimize the concerns about inhumane incarceration at all, when I'm saying any of this. | ||
| I'll just continue to see this as a larger systemic problem that needs to be addressed, as opposed to a niche concern that only applies narrowly to these January 6th arestees like Alex and Marjorie are pretending. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just they're not dealing with the real issue. | ||
| They're only dealing with their intersection with the issue. | ||
| It would have been so great and it would have been like a really good moment for them to reach out across the aisle if they just said to us, you know, like, yeah, you're right. | ||
| Solitary confinement is torture. | ||
| The left has been arguing this for a long time. | ||
| Maybe we have some agreement. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| No, you just bothered our friends, so we're going to overthrow the country again. | ||
| And look, maybe they should overthrow the country, according to Marjorie Taylor Greene. | ||
| And Alex. | ||
| And Alex. | ||
| Because, you know, these MAGA weirdos, they're actually the party of peace. | ||
| Sure! | ||
| And Republicans more and more becoming the party, thanks to Trump and you and others, of not wanting war and being a peace party. | ||
| And that's what people want. | ||
| And that's why liberals should abandon their party and come to the new Republican populist America First Party. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Well, you know, I think Americans really are there. | ||
| It's the people here in this town, people on the Hill, and a bunch of egotistical, arrogant politicians and the consultants that work for them running these polls that really don't ask the right questions a lot of times. | ||
| They just haven't caught up with the people. | ||
| Or maybe they were never with the people. | ||
| Because look at what has happened over these decades. | ||
| This is the party that produced Bush, that failed and led us to Barack Obama. | ||
| Well, here we are at $30 trillion in debt. | ||
| And it's just like, it's so bad. | ||
| It's so disgusting. | ||
| You can hardly wrap your head around it. | ||
| But this is where the American people have always been. | ||
| We've always been populist. | ||
| We've always been nationalist. | ||
| So this is just profoundly stupid for a number of reasons. | ||
| The first being that the Trump movement within the conservative world is absolutely not a peace movement. | ||
| Beyond the fact that they insulate and run cover for internal domestic terror threats like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, they also have very troubling connections to even more dangerous groups within the larger international fascist landscape. | ||
| Leaving that aside, Trump may never have declared war, but his administration was insanely murderous. | ||
| For eight years in office, Obama oversaw 1878 drone strikes, compared to 2243 in the first two years of Trump's presidency. | ||
| We actually only know for sure the number of the first two years, because in 2019, Trump wrote an executive order overturning an Obama administration rule that drone strikes outside of war zones needed to be reported and published. | ||
| Trump not only ramped up the drone attack severely, he also made it significantly harder to quantify exactly how much bombing his administration was actually doing. | ||
| In addition to this, Trump ramped up bombings in areas like Afghanistan, Yemen, and Somalia, something that experts attribute to his, quote, loosening of the rules of engagement. | ||
| By August 2017, Newsweek was reporting that Trump had already killed more civilians in his fight against ISIS than Obama had in his entire time in office. | ||
| And then, of course, we have to remember that time that Trump dropped the mother of all bombs and Alex declared that he'd shoved ISIS up his dirty asshole. | ||
| The claim that Trump and his movement is a peace movement is an offensive lie, and Alex knows that. | ||
| This is just rhetoric that has the tendency to be effective in terms of gaslighting disaffected liberals into thinking that there's something to be gained by aligning with the extreme right in the name of fighting against war or imperialism. | ||
| It's just a scam meant to further legitimize extreme right figures like Alex and to get people to fall... | ||
| Yep. | ||
| it's effective to some folks who aren't paying attention. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And to Green's point, we have not always been populist or nationalist, especially not in the way that she defines the term. | |
| Her understanding of what those words mean and her understanding of American history is very suspect. | ||
| Her understanding of words is very suspect. | ||
| I have not heard her say anything that wasn't like... | ||
| Straight out of central, you know, like, just a... | ||
| It's a Mad Lib script of things that conservatives say. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, she doesn't... | ||
| Well, the weirdo conservatives. | ||
| Well, yes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But, I mean, it's not like she's... | ||
| She said nothing. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Just nonsense. | ||
| Pointless, vapid, empty bullshit. | ||
| And just sort of like repetition of very clearly false and outrageous right-wing talking points. | ||
| Extreme right Alex Jones-y talking points. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So Alex trolled a little bit with like, you should be the speaker. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But I think he really wants to make sure that people take the bait. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| So he's gonna hit it a couple more times. | ||
| Swings for the fences. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Marjorie Taylor Greene, MTG, who I hope becomes president one day. | ||
| Hell, she'd probably be better than Trump coming up in 2024. | ||
| Can we get you to run for president in the next few years? | ||
| Because I think you're one of the few people that would probably have a better voting record and have a better chance of winning than even Trump. | ||
| Or maybe a Green DeSantis ticket? | ||
| I don't know what's going to happen. | ||
| I'm a very strong supporter of President Trump. | ||
| But in the future, we'll definitely see what happens. | ||
| I'll see what the people think about something like that. | ||
| So this is obvious trolling on Alex's part. | ||
| Pretty clearly, you can tell. | ||
| But I think what's really more interesting about that clip is that even in this clearly false conversation they're having, Marjorie Taylor Greene needs to reinforce her loyalty to Trump. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| She needs to reassert it. | ||
| What if he's listening? | ||
| What if he's listening, Dan? | ||
| It's troubling. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Sauron, his eye is always watching. | ||
| That's the problem with creating a fictional figurehead for your bullshit movement, is you don't realize that the actual figurehead does not care. | ||
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Nope. | |
| At all. | ||
| You could say that Trump shoves ISIS up his dirty asshole on him before he was going to be fine. | ||
| I think it's less a fear of Trump himself listening and more getting backlash from listeners who swear fealty to Trump. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| She should keep up, though. | ||
| Trump had that vaccine thing, and so people aren't so hot on him anymore. | ||
| But maybe they are. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| It'll change in six months. | ||
| So when I was listening to this, this is obviously just trying to fish for headlines. | ||
| And so I'm going to skip ahead now. | ||
| The question I have, do you think there's also an element of flattery in there? | ||
| No. | ||
| You don't think so? | ||
| You don't think he's trying to flatter Marjorie Taylor Greene at all? | ||
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No. | |
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Alex is the victim of flattery. | ||
| Not the purveyor of it. | ||
| I think he wants her back on the show. | ||
| Probably, but I don't think that he understands that strategy. | ||
| No, that's fair. | ||
| Because if he did, he would know when it's being used on him. | ||
| Ah, that's a good point. | ||
| I would think. | ||
| You would think. | ||
| I think it's mostly just kind of a attention thing. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| It's always nice when a plan comes together. | ||
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. | |
| you you Margie Taylor Greene was on a few hours ago. | ||
| And enemies of humanity are flipping out. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| They believe they dictate reality. | ||
| But as they are now discovering, they do not. | ||
| And your murder of our innocent children will be repaid one trillion fold. | ||
| You will be dumped into a black hole for all of eternity with your own energy, consuming yourselves forever. | ||
| By your choice, not ours. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Alex Jones and Marjorie Taylor Greene defend Fauci being compared to Nazi doctor Joseph Mengele. | ||
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha. | |
| Ha ha ha ha ha ha. | ||
| Ha ha ha ha ha. | ||
| I'm not happy that I'm in some article. | ||
| I'm happy they took the bait. | ||
| I'll explain it tomorrow. | ||
| But it's always good to expose these people. | ||
| Let's go ahead and go to your phone calls. | ||
| Who's holding the longest here? | ||
| He doesn't need to explain it tomorrow. | ||
| It's pretty obvious. | ||
| No, I mean, it's very obvious. | ||
| Was he reading a headline that came out immediately after? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That simple? | ||
| It was that easy? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's rare that the sort of attempt at getting attention pays off in the same episode. | ||
| It's very rare that we're able to see that. | ||
| Yeah, it usually takes at least a cycle. | ||
| You know, it takes a 24... | ||
| What do you guys do? | ||
| What do they do? | ||
| I don't also think that Alex was like... | ||
| You know, sitting at a whiteboard and came up with an explicit plot. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I just think that he has an innate awareness of, like, ways that he can trick people into covering him. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And honestly, I don't know what you would do otherwise. | ||
| Like, the idea that a sitting congressperson is on Infowars and it's... | ||
| Maybe one of the nuttiest people in Congress. | ||
| Like, it is something that you can't really ignore. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's relevant. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And so, I understand why people would have headlines about it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's not really falling into Alex's trap if you play it correctly. | ||
| But I don't fully understand what playing it correctly would be. | ||
| Um, I guess, like, um... | ||
| Dumbest radio host and dumbest congressman get together to say dumb shit. | ||
| Well, I also think that possibly a better angle on it than they talk about Fauci or Alex says she should run for president or whatever. | ||
| Because that was what a lot of stuff that was going around on Twitter had to do with. | ||
| I think maybe... | ||
| A stronger approach to it would have very little to do with the focus being on Alex and it being on Marjorie Taylor Greene, and that she appeared on a show that ten minutes before she was on was screaming disgusting nonsense about pedophilia. | ||
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Yep. | |
| I think that, like, forcing her into that box of, like, you... | ||
| Own it. | ||
| Yeah, as opposed to Alex, because there's no consequences for him. | ||
| Not gonna get him with... | ||
| Free publicity. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whereas negative publicity right around the times of primary season could be something that might be motivating for Marjorie Taylor Greene, especially since she doesn't have her Twitter account anymore. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, it sucks so hard because they could do a better job. | ||
| They could absolutely do a better job of not falling into this kind of shitty trap. | ||
| But... | ||
| The reason that they fall into that trap is because it's also good for them. | ||
| They get more clicks from their bullshit headlines. | ||
| It's an ecosystem that both profit off of, which is the problem. | ||
| I think there's an element of that. | ||
| And I think that oftentimes, much like I feel about the Reuters article, I think a lot of times stuff just isn't even worth it. | ||
| You shouldn't even cover it, necessarily. | ||
| In this case, I do think it's a... | ||
| It's kind of a relevant trap. | ||
| No, I mean, it should be an albatross on her neck, you know? | ||
| It should be hanging from her neck, like a sad, sad thing. | ||
| Yeah, but it's something that these other outlets, whether or not they're click-driven, can't really not say something about. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| So we have one last clip here of Green, and this is bad on her front, but it's also really interesting about what it says about Alex. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Can you speak to the Great Reset and your views on this, and do you agree with me that it's paramount to expose the real enemy? | ||
| Like in World War II, the enemy was Hitler. | ||
| Well, this time, it's Klaus Schwab and the Bilderberg Group and the public arm, the Davos Group. | ||
| I absolutely think they're the enemy. | ||
| You know what makes a fool of you and me is when we don't take people at their word. | ||
| Oh, I don't really care about any of this conversation except to point out that we have a person in the House who believes that the same complete nonsense that Alex does to the point of viewing Klaus Schwab as this generation's equivalent of Hitler. | ||
| It's entirely unacceptable that public service has eroded to this point. | ||
| However, I think the more important point for me is that Alex is lying to Marjorie here. | ||
| I've listened to countless hours of Alex's show, and I can tell you one thing with certainty, and that is that Alex doesn't believe that Hitler was the bad guy in World War II. | ||
| Sure, Hitler did bad things, but he was being controlled by the globalists behind the scenes. | ||
| Alex believes that Hitler was set up and that the real villains were the globalists who were financing all sides of the war. | ||
| Alex believes that when it's convenient. | ||
| But when it's inconvenient, he says that Hitler was the bad guy in World War II, and you can see how in this conversation, his consistently expressed belief that Hitler was set up runs very counter to his intent in trying to brand Klaus Schwab as the new Hitler. | ||
| And it's a belief of such a childish... | ||
| Contrarian bullshit that you could compare to a libertarian argument about the age of concept. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| So, yeah, his goal is to brand Klaus Schwab as Hitler, and his very well-established belief that Hitler was set up... | ||
| Isn't going to play in there. | ||
| Also, good luck getting a sitting representative to agree with you on a recorded radio show that we've all been giving Hitler a raw deal. | ||
| Hey, what are you going to do? | ||
| That shit might fly when Alex is running solo or trying to blow Eddie Bravo's mind, but anyone with a midterm and primary election coming up would know better than to dip into that pool. | ||
| Alex's opinions are inconsistent, and they vary depending on his mood, but it's more troubling that his factual claims and understanding of history is just as malleable. | ||
| It's a real problem that his listeners really should grapple with, but instead they just ignore it. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
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If... | |
| Marjorie Taylor Greene did become president. | ||
| You half expect her to try and bomb a fictional place. | ||
| Candyland. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| We're going to finally take those motherfuckers out. | ||
| I'm sick of both chutes and ladders. | ||
| We have good intelligence that Lord Licorice is testing the borders. | ||
| We can't have this incursion. | ||
| Into whatever the area where the peanut brittle lady lives. | ||
| So I've hired the brothers from Double Dragon to take down, yeah, I mean, just fucking bullshit. | ||
| So in the third hour, so the first hour was largely that disgusting display about the professor from SUNY. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then the second hour, largely Marjorie Taylor Greene. | ||
| And we get to the third hour, and it's wild. | ||
| And I do want to make this comment, too. | ||
| I've been looking over the clips as we're recording this, and I've decided that I'm even not going to play some of the clips that I was giving a warning about at the beginning. | ||
| Because as we're going through this, I realize that they're not as germane as I thought they would be. | ||
| And playing them even might be a bit excessive. | ||
| The point has been made. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I want to stress the point that the actual episode... | ||
| Is one of the more unacceptable things that I've ever listened to in my time doing Alex coverage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there were multiple times where I was listening to the episode and I audibly reacted to him like, go fuck yourself. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Essentially. | ||
| Or like, it was very difficult to listen to. | ||
| No, we were talking about it pre-show and it's just like, we can portray him as the idiotic goofball monster as much as we want, but it's important to remind people he's a true monster. | ||
| Yeah, and to the extent that it was relevant in terms of covering this story, recognizing that Joe Rogan is feeding him this story, and recognizing the ways that Alex uses the enthusiasm and energy that he builds around these stories, not to cover the actual stories, but to subvert that energy towards marketing and towards his bigoted narratives. | ||
| I think that there is a value in playing some of that. | ||
| But as I look at this, there's some of it that's just like, this isn't, this isn't, There's nothing that's added by it. | ||
| It would just be like, hey, look how fucked up Alex's show is. | ||
| And if you really want that, you can go listen to it yourself. | ||
| It's not necessarily relevant for us. | ||
| Now, in the third hour, Alex spends a bit of time talking about how he's going to go to calls, and then instead rambles about how George Soros is the Antichrist. | ||
| Oh, that's a smart move. | ||
| That was thinking about! | ||
| In Revelation, and also in earlier books, because it always foreshadows that when Satan's finally bound for a thousand years before he's released again to test us again for a very short time, that people will marble and look at him in the hologram in the pit, in his cell, in that black hole, and say, that's the creature? | ||
| So let's pull up the footage from yesterday, just a short 40-second clip, not the longer babbling, of George Soros, who believes he's the Messiah. | ||
| Who loves to steal old people's pension funds. | ||
| I mean, he's a horrible person. | ||
| So upset about Xi Jinping. | ||
| And I mean, look, look, that's the thing that did all this to us? | ||
| See, everything the Bible explains is a foreshadowing of the final event. | ||
| There are many antichrists. | ||
| There are many satans. | ||
| There are many devils. | ||
| There's only one final personification of it, but it's one spirit. | ||
| And there it is. | ||
| That's the thing that did this to us? | ||
| That's the thing that we can't defeat? | ||
| Yeah, so this is dumb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he's got to get to calls. | ||
| I would hope so, I guess. | ||
| I mean, there's so many devils, there's so many antichrists. | ||
| That's why it's fine for us to continue saying that that guy's the antichrist. | ||
| Because there's like a million of them. | ||
| I've read the Bible, Dan, and I'll tell you right now, the book of Revelation is like... | ||
| Everybody's the fucking Antichrist, man. | ||
| Use this person, call them the Antichrist to make some money, and then when you get bored of it, there'll be another person. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The Book of Exploitation is what it's called. | ||
| Yeah, so Alex has got to get the calls, but first, he's got to ramble a little bit. | ||
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We'll be right back. | |
| Here we are, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Here we are. | ||
| On the edge of eternity. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then you realize there is no edge of eternity. | ||
| You're already in eternity. | ||
| What? | ||
| You already are totally complete. | ||
| You just have to reach out and take that desk in your hands. | ||
| So I'm not complete. | ||
| I need the desk. | ||
| I have been to completion. | ||
| I am not complete, but I have tasted of completion. | ||
| Beyond fullness. | ||
| Beyond ecstasy. | ||
| Beyond timelessness. | ||
| Absolute. | ||
| Total completion, contentment, beyond the term even zen. | ||
| I have felt it. | ||
| And once you have tapped into that eternity of eternities, of eternities, of eternities, of eternities, of eternities. | ||
| You will then finally transcend what's happened on this planet. | ||
| I think Alex might have gotten high. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I think I need to get high if I'm going to listen to that shit. | ||
| After Marjorie Taylor Greene was on, Alex rolled one up, smoked it. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| He's having a little self-congratulation. | ||
| He was doing the evil, maniacal laugh. | ||
| Well, that was actually later. | ||
| Oh, that's later. | ||
| We flashed forward to the beginning of the fourth hour for that. | ||
| So he just got high right now. | ||
| Yeah, he's not at maniacal. | ||
| No, no, that's a little bit later. | ||
| He's esoteric as hell. | ||
| He's like, hey, after the sixth eternity, then you've really broken through. | ||
| I do think that there is obviously a tone change that's happened here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But also, there's something visceral that feels different. | ||
| I mean, it does feel almost post-coital. | ||
| There's also a silence almost. | ||
| That's behind the... | ||
| I don't know how to describe it, but there is an air of, like, menace. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In the silence, Alex, like, it's behind him somehow while he's getting into this, here we are, at the edge of eternity. | ||
| Here we are. | ||
| It feels like everything has stopped. | ||
| It does have that moment of a record scratch voiceover. | ||
| All of a sudden, how did we get here, ladies and gentlemen? | ||
| First, we're going to have to cut to three weeks earlier. | ||
| We rambled about a bunch of bullshit for an hour, interviewed a crazy congressperson for an hour, and now I'm going to fucking tell you about eternity and how I've tasted completion. | ||
| It's a little bit like the end of the Mr. Rogers show, except for, you know, with Alex. | ||
| So in this neighborhood, Alex has some bad... | ||
| News for the Hindus out there. | ||
| I don't have a lot of neighbors in this neighborhood. | ||
| I'll tell you that right now. | ||
| This clip is weird. | ||
| Look, this is going to deteriorate pretty good. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| But unlike what some of the Hindus and others teach, they say, well, you know, it's a process. | ||
| And so people are dumb and they're losing their souls and they're becoming like animals. | ||
| So they'll be destroyed. | ||
| That's a process. | ||
| I am a knower of holy books. | ||
| So don't feel bad about it. | ||
| Just be glad you're awake. | ||
| That's a deception. | ||
| And I'm not picking fights with Hindus. | ||
| Did you read the Bhagavad Gita? | ||
| What? | ||
| And the only thing that's composite is our spirit's collective creation on this planet as our project. | ||
| So that we can build composites of ourselves together in communion, just as God created us for communion with Him. | ||
| And so, yes, the genetic line of humans is a composite of our multidimensional energy forces manifesting on this planet and then building an organized structure according to our time-space vision. | ||
| I defy you to explain what Alex meant by any of that. | ||
| That nonsense cannot be translated into coherent, understandable language because it's scattershot of words that Alex is just trying to sound profound, just weaving this shit together into rambling sentences. | ||
| I had to write out the last part because I really want to parse this. | ||
| Because you really wanted to try and get there? | ||
| The genetic line of humans is a composite of our multi-dimensional energy forces manifesting on this planet and building an organized structure according to our time-space vision. | ||
| We could go through it slowly. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Start at the beginning. | ||
| The genetic line of humans. | ||
| Alright, now that I understand. | ||
| DNA. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Four important, you know, Adenine, Guanine, Thymine. | ||
| I got it. | ||
| The genetic line of humans, check, is a composite of our... | ||
| Multi-dimensional energy forces. | ||
| Alright, now this is where we gotta stop real quick. | ||
| So our DNA is made up of a combination of multi-dimensional energy forces. | ||
| Okay, see, this is where we're gonna have to stop. | ||
| So what are... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Which dimensions? | ||
| Many of them. | ||
| What forces? | ||
| Energy. | ||
| What energy? | ||
| Energy forces. | ||
| Is it dark energy? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now I'm listening. | ||
| Yeah, so it's a composite of that. | ||
|
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Uh-huh. | |
| Okay. | ||
| So these energy forces are manifesting on the planet. | ||
|
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Uh-huh. | |
| I don't know what that means. | ||
| Are they manifesting anywhere else? | ||
| I mean, they'd have to be manifesting in the other dimensions, too, right? | ||
| They would have to be somewhere else also in order to be... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And building an organized structure according to our time-space vision. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So... | ||
| If I'm going to understand this, here's what I'm trying to put together here. | ||
| I defy you. | ||
| Here's what I'm trying to put together here. | ||
| What he is saying is that who we are is actually a breakover energy from other dimensions that's manifesting itself in this dimension, and that manifestation is controlled according to our will or our vision of ourself that is held within. | ||
| I think that's about as generous. | ||
| I can see what you're saying. | ||
| I don't think that's what he's saying. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| I don't really know. | ||
| All I'm hearing is him being like, okay, so the Hindus say that the Flash is faster than Superman, but the Christians say Superman is faster than the Flash. | ||
| It's strange. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Also, I don't know about this. | ||
| I'm not trying to pick a fight with the Hindus. | ||
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I guess not. | |
| Their beliefs are a lie. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| I'm not trying to pick a fight with the Hindus. | ||
| I'm just saying everything that they believe is bullshit. | ||
| Sometimes you hear criticism of Jordan Peterson, you know, like that he's a dumb person's version of what a smart person looks like. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think this kind of is the same dynamic. | ||
| Like, Alex is a dumb person's version of what a profound and deep thinker looks like. | ||
| I suspect that. | ||
| That's why Rogan thinks that Alex has something meaningful to say. | ||
| This is just weird, esoteric babbling. | ||
| But I think this next clip... | ||
| If your sentence has ten $5 words and it's not a PhD thesis, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| You're wasting everybody's time. | ||
| Sounding like a libertarian professor. | ||
| Yeah, there we go. | ||
| So, the next clip, which is immediately after this. | ||
| I have not cut out things. | ||
| This is just sort of, like, rolling. | ||
| I think this starts to make a little bit more sense. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But it's still weird. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Colony entity is individual and is transcendent and is a connection to our higher selves, but it itself is a lower creation from who we are. | ||
| You're not going to read this stuff in books, folks. | ||
| No, you are not! | ||
| This stuff is what enrages the enemy because they have a good idea, but they haven't been there. | ||
| They've not seen it. | ||
| And they know that if you realize this, it's game over for them. | ||
| So they are weaponizing the medical system to attack your double helix and try to cut that off because when you go into times of crisis, all those ancestral memories of your kindred spirits, the energy God created of other souls, are going to be here with you. | ||
| Just like you love your children and they love you and you love your grandparents and they love you and you have this feeling that they're there with you. | ||
| That's not a ghost. | ||
| That's not Casper walking through walls, folks. | ||
| That is the reflection of their genetics and that code in you that resonates. | ||
| They've gone on to the higher plane, but they have left their copy of their essence with you as your shield, as your blanket, as... | ||
| Your refuge, just like God gave us the planet. | ||
| That's how beautiful God is. | ||
| Alex is choking up a little bit there at the end. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, hey, look, when you're really grappling with concepts this powerful, it can cause awe, you know? | ||
| If I understand Alex correctly, I've listened to this a couple times in order to try and parse this. | ||
| Your human body is an individual in as much as it exists in our dimension. | ||
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Correct. | |
| However, it's a colony entity which contains some kind of a copy of a bunch of consciousnesses of our ancestors who came before that help us in difficult times whenever we get stressed out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that isn't your higher true self. | ||
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No. | |
| That's something that I guess you become when you die, at which point your consciousness is copied into your offspring. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or something. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is fine as far as, like, a fun esoteric belief system for Alex to spout off about, but honestly, I'm having really bad whiplash from this episode. | ||
| He spent most of the time screaming absolutely disgusting shit that was inspired in his mind from a one-minute clip of Stephen Kirshner that he saw, and then he spent an hour interviewing Marjorie Taylor Greene, and now in the third hour he's ranting about Soros being the Antichrist and how we're all colony beings for trans-dimensional ancestors who want to remind us not to walk down dark alleys. | ||
| I probably say this a lot, but this show is fucking insane. | ||
| And people have legitimately no idea about the content that it actually contains. | ||
| It's bananas. | ||
| So, this esoteric nonsense is weird. | ||
| It made me feel weird. | ||
| I felt not, like, scared, but I didn't feel... | ||
| Like, I didn't feel right. | ||
| I feel gross, because when I was a kid, and I hate doing this, I hate having to do the when I was a kid thing. | ||
| Because it's not about, like, a different era or anything like that. | ||
| Like in my day. | ||
| It's just like, when I was growing up and going to all of these different churches, if a Christian, ostensibly, said some shit like that, my entire family would break down of, like... | ||
| This is why that's blasphemous? | ||
| This is why you're not following the Bible? | ||
| You remember that book we're supposed to give a fuck about? | ||
| All of that, you know, like, how is that? | ||
| Where in the Bible does it talk about us being a colony being? | ||
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Where does this shit fit in? | |
| Yeah, what is happening? | ||
| Transdimensional colony beings or something. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's like we're just fucking... | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| Read from Matthew and shut the fuck up! | ||
| Yeah, but, I mean, ultimately, I think you can tell from this next clip... | ||
| That Alex's concerns in the physical realm might supersede those of his bizarre esoteric nonsense. | ||
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Oh, you think? | |
| And so people go, I have these memories. | ||
| I know about ancient times. | ||
| I already know about these weapons. | ||
| I already know how to do this. | ||
| I already know how to... | ||
| I'm 12 years old, but I know how to go and pick up a 25-year-old woman if I wanted to. | ||
| Why am I a man when I'm 12 years old? | ||
| Why do I know all this stuff? | ||
| Because God gives us free will, but God... | ||
| Doesn't leave us alone. | ||
| I'm going to call it cheating. | ||
| But God gives us an owner's manual. | ||
| God gives us the training. | ||
| God gives us the instincts, the common sense, the will, the... | ||
| What's the term? | ||
| The conscience. | ||
| To know what's right and to know what's good. | ||
| And if we simply go with that conscience and go with that program, because we have free will, but God says, listen, I'm not going to just throw you into this thing and not give you the secret. | ||
| I'm going to give you everything you need, and I love you, and I created you because I care about you. | ||
| I love this headset, but man, this clip. | ||
| See, I don't need a new headset. | ||
| It's not the earpiece I hate. | ||
| The crew thinks I hate that. | ||
| They're ordering like a molded piece. | ||
| It's the clip. | ||
| He does not get back to finish his thought because he gets distracted by the earpiece. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| I am trying to teach people about the secret of the universe as revealed to me by God, and this earpiece is just so annoying that guess what? | ||
| You're all going to hell now! | ||
| Hey, guess what? | ||
| I actually don't have a way to complete this thought, so conveniently, my earpiece really sucks. | ||
| Oh no, I have to eject from this plane I can't land. | ||
| What a convenient offer. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| So, Alex goes to calls, finally. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| How many calls does we get to? | ||
| I don't know, like... | ||
| Maybe five or so. | ||
| Five is a big number for him. | ||
| One of them is just a lady saying that God is with the truckers in Ottawa. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then she hangs up. | ||
| She just gives a statement and then hangs up. | ||
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I like that. | |
| I like that. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| I think that's great. | ||
| I did not include a clip of her because we have two calls and they are wild. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So here's the first one. | ||
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Can I give you a word of encouragement? | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Can I? | ||
| Can I give you a word? | ||
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You know, Noah was asked to build an ark. | |
| And you know, the Bible scholar said it was between 55 and 75 years that it took him to build that ark. | ||
| And I know that in the past, recent past, you've been talking about you could just give it up and what's the point? | ||
| Listen, you're building an ark, man. | ||
| You're building the ark. | ||
| Keep it up. | ||
| I will, brother. | ||
| And my problem is I wear my heart on my sleeve and I'm never going to give up. | ||
| I just get angry and frustrated and work too much sometimes and just get nasty and I apologize. | ||
| I'm not one of these biblical scholars that this guy is talking about, but I don't remember the parts of the story where like... | ||
| Noah got in a bad mood because he couldn't see the new Spider-Man movie, and then he launched into a childish outburst about how everyone deserved to die. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Fuck these geese. | ||
| They don't deserve to come on the ark. | ||
| Noah did eat his neighbors, though. | ||
| And then he came back a couple minutes later and apologized to the crew. | ||
| Hey, I'm really sorry to all these... | ||
| Listen, I know I kicked the unicorns off. | ||
| I'm really sorry about that. | ||
| I was in a bad mood. | ||
| I ate them. | ||
| I thought we were all going to die. | ||
| I ate the unicorns. | ||
| I ate these fucking unicorns! | ||
| Yeah, I think that they're... | ||
| You know... | ||
| Characteristic differences between Noah and Alex. | ||
| A tad. | ||
| Man, I can't imagine having... | ||
| Alex would never build a boat because he'd argue with God that he has guns. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| That's enough. | ||
| Right, but can you imagine calling into... | ||
| You're not going to call into the majority report and be like, Sam, I just want you to know you should keep at it, man. | ||
| That's not how you should interact with a broadcast. | ||
| No. | ||
| You shouldn't have to. | ||
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You shouldn't have to reward the host. | |
| Or call Sam Cedar and be like, you're like Noah. | ||
| Yeah, exactly! | ||
| You would expect that somebody who got that from a caller would make fun of them back. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Somehow, like... | ||
| Reject that. | ||
| You're totally right, sir. | ||
| I am exactly like this hero from the Bible who saved the human race due to God's intervention. | ||
| Yeah, that's exactly like me. | ||
| It's really bizarre that Alex allows this kind of conversation. | ||
| Loves it. | ||
| Because it's disgusting and bizarre. | ||
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As a narcissist. | |
| And that he seems to need this kind of support. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This kind of... | ||
| This bizarre reaffirmation. | ||
| That's like a drink of water for him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, you can hear him be like, listen, brother, you know, I'm never actually going to quit. | ||
| You know, like that whole thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's very... | ||
| It's sad. | ||
| It's weirdly kind of codependent. | ||
| It's so gross. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I kind of don't feel comfortable watching it because it's too personal. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So let's wash our hands of that and get just like a fun call. | ||
| All right, next up is Gene in Georgia. | ||
| You're on the air, Gene. | ||
| Welcome. | ||
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Brother Alex. | |
| Welcome, sir. | ||
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Man. | |
| You want to talk about Operation Fishbowl? | ||
| Go ahead, tell us about it. | ||
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Yeah, let me tell you about Operation Fishbowl. | |
| It's been going on since the days of, you know, when they built the Tower of Babel. | ||
| When Hillary Clinton said it, we've got to break that glass ceiling. | ||
| These evil people are trying to get back to heaven. | ||
| They've already been cast to the earth. | ||
| They're among us, Brother Alex, you know that. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| So, Operation Fishbowl was a series of 11 high-altitude nuclear tests that went on in the 60s. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I guess that was secretly about the globalist demons trying to pierce the dome that's above Earth in order to get back to heaven. | ||
| That's what I thought he was saying, and it concerns me. | ||
| Well, that is what he's saying. | ||
| But when Hillary was talking about the glass ceiling, that was about... | ||
| That was women specifically getting into places of power, correct? | ||
| Right, yes. | ||
| Not breaking back into heaven. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The glass ceiling that is the dome over... | ||
| Not over our... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, this is dumb. | ||
| Especially... | ||
| Because the explosions that were a part of Operation Fishbowl were about 10 kilometers above the surface, which is a bit lower than the moon. | ||
| In order for this guy, like, what he's saying to mean anything, he would have to not believe that space is real. | ||
| And honestly, what he's doing, he's putting forth some ideas that are pretty common in flat Earth believers. | ||
| Yeah, it does seem a little bit very much like, well, you know what? | ||
| They were close. | ||
| Like, that's the worry I have, is him... | ||
| Not telling me this, like, isn't this interesting? | ||
| But him telling me this almost as if, like, listen, if we let them go any further, they're gonna do it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're gonna break into heaven, man. | ||
| Is that what you want? | ||
| I understand the story of the Tower of Babel is that. | ||
| That is trying to get back to heaven. | ||
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Sure. | |
| That was the point of that story. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Or it was a piece of that story. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hillary's comment about the glass ceiling has nothing to do with this. | ||
| Well, that you know. | ||
| Read between the lines. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The pieces of information he's bringing in to support this premise are very, very thin. | ||
| Now, here's what I'm saying, though. | ||
| It makes more sense if you believe that Hillary's a demon, that she would be speaking about breaking into heaven than breaking... | ||
| I'll allow it. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| But, to be fair, conceptually, what this caller is saying makes more sense than what Alex was saying. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| No, I can visualize what he's trying to... | ||
| I mean, his bullshit is bullshit, but at least I can understand his point. | ||
| It's pretty conceptually clear. | ||
| Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And for that, I appreciate this Georgian fella for... | ||
| Coming through. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| So, this brings us to the end of our episode, and fuck this episode of Alex's show. | ||
| This was trash. | ||
| I want to talk to this... | ||
| See, this is a problem. | ||
| This guy has just raised so many more questions for me. | ||
| Are you telling me that in the intervening time period between the Tower of Babel, they were like, man, the next thing we got to do is we got to find a way to invent nukes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's our only hope. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We're going to go from the Tower of Babel... | ||
| Smash cut to 1960. | ||
| Several thousand years away! | ||
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And then, oh shit guys, we broke in! | |
| We got it! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or did they try before? | ||
| They must have. | ||
| Yeah, like who invented the longest ladder? | ||
| Is that the original? | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| The Wright Brothers, probably. | ||
| Sure, they were demons. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Probably that guy from that October Sky movie. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| The Rocket. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| Ooh, ooh! | ||
| Duh! | ||
| How do you think she disappeared? | ||
| Huh? | ||
| Talking about Amelia Earhart? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Went to heaven. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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Broke through. | |
| She broke through the glass ceiling, Dan! | ||
| Somebody did! | ||
| Where's D.B. Cooper? | ||
| He accidentally went up. | ||
| He broke through the... | ||
| Yeah, instead of jumping down, he just kept going up. | ||
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Jumped up. | |
| Parachuted up. | ||
| Who cares, man? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| This guy thinks that there's a scene that he can break through to get to heaven. | ||
| Why not have wacky physics? | ||
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Why not? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| There's no... | ||
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Oh, are you going to say that this is far-fetched? | |
| Is that what you're going to tell me? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I guess... | ||
| Personally, yes. | ||
| But for the sake of fun, no. | ||
| No! | ||
| So this show's stupid. | ||
| I hated this. | ||
| I think that there's, you know, I think that Marjorie Taylor Greene's just general existence in Congress is really upsetting. | ||
| And on a day-to-day basis, it's not good. | ||
| But then when you see her existing in InfoWars land, and her and Alex basically being on the same page about so much, it really brings into sharp focus just how... | ||
| Problematic it is that she's in office. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, the thing about that, though, is if you do study a lot of American history, eventually you'll get to the realization that at any given point in time, probably between 5 and 10 percent of all Congresses have been insane. | ||
| Yeah, you know what? | ||
| You know, like, they've just been nutbags from start to finish. | ||
| That's actually a fair point, and maybe you should struggle with this a little bit more, that, like, you know, Ron Paul was in Congress for, like, 20 years. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I think the difference between it is that Ron Paul, though his political beliefs were just as bad in many ways, the things that he advocated for, I don't know if he felt as disconnected from reality as a lot of the things that... | ||
| Marjorie Taylor Greene espouses. | ||
| Like, I don't think that Ron Paul would be spreading Pizzagate conspiracies. | ||
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Right. | |
| He came up with bad solutions to real problems as opposed to bad solutions to fake problems that don't exist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Or misinterpretations of things, perhaps. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It feels different. | ||
| I would just... | ||
| It'd just be nicer if she was one of the crazy ones who just never went. | ||
| You know, like, American history is littered with congressmen who are like, oh, this is actually dumb, and just never went! | ||
| That'd be great! | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You get paid, you don't do any work! | ||
| Just stay home, Marjorie! | ||
| I think that the best case scenario for her probably is losing the 2022 race. | ||
| Yeah, she's gotta go to media. | ||
| She doesn't want to stay in politics. | ||
| Yeah, I think she could have a pretty decent niche in that space. | ||
| I think the problem is she's just bad on... | ||
| She's just not interesting to listen to. | ||
| Not very. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Anyways. | ||
| So yeah, I washed my hands of this episode, and we'll be back on Monday. | ||
| Provided we haven't broken through into heaven. | ||
| I'm going to be working on it. | ||
| I think it's a good idea, now that we've got our own nukes. | ||
| Here's what I suggest we do. | ||
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Let's get a wolf and an eagle. | |
| No, it's a fox, an eagle, and some parrots. | ||
| Anyway, Jordan, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yeah, we're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Now go to Ben Jordan. | ||
| Yeah, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I'm Daryl Rundis. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robot. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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