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Jan. 31, 2022 - Knowledge Fight
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#643: January 28, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss Alex's return to the studio from his camping trip.  In this installment, Alex loves the Canadian trucker convoy, gets deeply transphobic (probably because of Minnie Mouse), and Roger Stone backs some weirdo Congressional candidates who won't make it out of the primary. Citations

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alex jones
10:32
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dan friesen
51:34
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jordan holmes
18:22
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roger stone
04:05
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steve quayle
00:02
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alex jones
Knowledge Fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
knowledge fight.
Need money.
Andy and Kansas.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy and Kansas.
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
It's time to pray.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Ride.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Dan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Dan?
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
Dan?
dan friesen
Jordan?
jordan holmes
I have a quick question.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, sir?
dan friesen
Well, my bright spot today, I guess, is a little bit complicated.
And I guess it's that my cat's okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
That Selene is okay.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
For those out there listening, it was a weird weekend.
Selene had been having some coughs and what appeared to be difficulty breathing.
And so I took her to an emergency vet on Thursday, right after we got done recording our episode.
And I was there.
Very nice people at the emergency vet, I will say that.
I tipped my hat to them.
They were very comforting and friendly.
But we got some x-rays done, and it turns out that Celine has asthma.
Just like the nerds at school.
And so, you know, on the one hand, this is inconvenient a little bit.
Sure.
But, you know, whatever.
It is what it is, and you've got to take care of your cat.
But on the other hand, it's a huge relief because, you know, what other possibilities could there have been?
And, like, this is manageable.
So, yeah, I don't know.
I guess the bright spot is absence of a real...
Dark spot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
Whenever Fanny, we give her eye drops three times a day, and it looked like she was starting to go blind, you know?
So we were panicking before we ever did that.
And then you find out, oh, three eye drops a day?
Sure, yeah, all day.
You know, that kind of thing.
dan friesen
I showed you the inhaler and the mask that I'm supposed to use to get albuterol if she's having an attack.
I mean, it's a nightmare.
There's no way she's going to put up with this.
jordan holmes
It's not quite a tiny bullhorn, but it's close.
dan friesen
Yeah, she's a headstrong cat.
She doesn't take kindly to asthma masks.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But we'll try.
We'll see what happens.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you could say she's an anti-masker.
dan friesen
Yes, she is.
In this case, in this very isolated case.
So yeah, Jordan, what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
Well, you know, there's a vegan restaurant nearby my place.
No, of course it's going to be tennis!
unidentified
Rafa!
dan friesen
I saw that.
I saw that he had won.
Set a record, right?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
He reached 21 majors first.
The three greatest tennis players in history, all tied at 20. Agassi, Sampras, McEnroe.
Definitely not.
Nope.
But, yeah, and it's very funny.
He came back from down two sets to love in the final against the best, you know, hardcore player alive right now, maybe, and wound up winning it.
It's crazy.
It's awesome.
And the more you think about it, the more you realize that the number one reason, maybe, you know, because he had to defeat the best players in the world, of course.
But maybe the number one reason that he beat Djokovic 2-21 is because Djokovic is an idiot who didn't take the vaccine and thus lost.
History forever.
Isn't that very funny?
dan friesen
Yeah, it is pretty funny.
jordan holmes
It's kind of funny.
It wasn't an injury.
The man's just an idiot.
dan friesen
It was an obstinate choice.
jordan holmes
Yes, he's got a brain injury of being unable to just get a fucking vaccine and make history forever.
And instead, Rafa did it.
dan friesen
Great.
It's great.
That's history in and of itself.
jordan holmes
It is.
It is.
dan friesen
I'm glad you had a good time.
That your boy took it down.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was great.
I got to bed at 8 a.m. this morning.
unidentified
Sweet.
jordan holmes
It was fantastic.
Only five hours and a half.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about January 28th, 2022.
Ooh.
Ooh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
We'll figure something out for that later.
dan friesen
So, this is Alex's back in studio.
He's gone to the woods with his child.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
And he's returned.
dan friesen
He's returned.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And...
This episode, it's interesting.
I think he got renewed by being in the forest.
That outdoor air.
I think he's lost his desire to quit.
Maybe he's revitalized.
jordan holmes
Man, half the time we were sentenced to eternal death every time.
If he'd just gone to the woods that weekend, we would have been fine.
dan friesen
Take a break.
Chill out.
Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that, I mean, that applies to a lot of people in a lot of professions.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
You know, you're getting burnout.
jordan holmes
Go to the woods!
dan friesen
Yeah, you're getting burnout, and it's affecting your performance.
And for Alex, that burnout just manifests by him saying that everyone deserves to die, maybe.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And that he wants to leave and never come back.
jordan holmes
Yeah, don't put caches of weapons around D.C. Go to the woods for a day or two.
Same difference.
unidentified
Yeah, put a cache of weapons in the woods.
dan friesen
So, uh, we're gonna get down to business on this, but first, Jordan, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, policy wonks for policy donks.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, owie-dowie.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, owie-dowie!
dan friesen
Next, Brad from the South Loop.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Brad!
dan friesen
Next, I don't think you have respect for America.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Next, two skadoos.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And finally, we've got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
And this is a person who might be making fun of the year of the seltzer.
unidentified
Oh, no.
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
But thank you so much.
The 495th seltzer.
You're now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
I have risen above my enemies.
I might quit tomorrow, actually.
I'm just going to take a little breaky now.
A little breaky for me.
And then we're going to come back.
And I'm going to start the show over.
But I'm the devil!
I've got to be taken over here!
Fuck you!
Fuck you!
I've got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World Order, and fuck the horse you rode in on, and all your shit!
Maybe today should be my last broadcast.
Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.
Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again.
That's really what I want to do.
I never want to come back here again.
I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air.
I'll be better tomorrow.
dan friesen
And he was.
All he needed to do was go to the woods.
jordan holmes
Go to the woods.
dan friesen
So, we start off today, at the beginning of this episode, Alex is really pumped.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
About some goings-on in Canada.
Of course, the trucker convoy that has culminated in a protest in Ottawa this Saturday.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, it's great.
dan friesen
Sure.
Alex plays a sizzle reel of this over We're Not Gonna Take It.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
The longest convoy ever recorded in Canadian history.
Fifty-something miles long.
Some estimates for over a million truckers.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
And more people are joining the peaceful civil disobedience fight.
This is how you do it.
unidentified
Yeah, we're not gonna take it.
dan friesen
That's a bad sing-along.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
We're not gonna take it.
jordan holmes
We're not gonna take it!
dan friesen
Yeah.
So there's this protest that's going down, went down over the weekend in Ottawa.
In advance of it, there was a convoy of truckers that were formed who were making their way to the protest in formation.
In the days leading up to this, a whole lot of misinformation was spreading about the size and impact of the convoy, and regardless of the truth, it seems like pretending it's the most important thing in the world is exactly what Alex needed when he's come back from the woods to distract himself from the rest of everything in his life essentially collapsing around him.
The convoy itself originated in Vancouver and then had some folks join in as it toured Canada, but estimates of the number of participants have been all over the place.
Alex is saying there may be a million truckers, which is absurd.
There's just no way it's even close to accurate, that number, since as of 2018, there were only approximately 302,000 truckers in the entire country of Canada.
jordan holmes
That does seem like a...
Big obstacle to getting to a million.
dan friesen
It strains credulity that somehow this convoy would attract over three times as many truckers as are contained in the entire trucking workforce in Canada, but whatever.
As for the length of the convoy, Alex is saying it's the longest in Canadian history at 50-something miles long.
Benjamin Ditcher, the spokesperson for the convoy, told the Toronto Sun that it was over 70 kilometers long, which would be about 40. miles.
unidentified
The Sun, though, is careful to point out that none of that had been independently verified, so who knows.
dan friesen
The estimations that are flying around are a bit excessive, and one of the ones that's caught on as the main talking point that's being spread comes from a former NHL player named Theo Fleury, who was a guest on Laura Ingraham's show on Fox, who said there was 50,000 trucks in the convoy.
This has been repeated all over the place.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
50,000 trucks, huh?
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
That number is pretty outrageous to imagine, but if there were 50,000 trucks in the convoy, that would be a big deal.
The problem is that other folks put the estimate much lower.
Kingston Police in Ontario tweeted out a count as the convoy departed on the morning of January 28th, quote, 17 full tractor trailers, 104 tractors with no trailers, 424 passenger vehicles, and 6 RVs.
There's a chance that this isn't the full scope of the convoy, but it's really hard to tell.
Some folks are claiming that there are multiple convoys that are meant to converge in Ottawa, or some that are going other states, like province capitals.
So it's hard to know what is the full picture ever, and they'll claim that, like, oh, you take this little 17 truck thing, and you're like, this is just an attempt to smear the whole thing.
I don't know.
I got no idea.
The point is that it's really hard to get an actual count.
of what the convoy contains, but it's unimaginable that it's anywhere near as big as what's being promoted by the organizers, NHL players, or Alex.
Because here's the thing.
This whole convoy is just a very anti-vax operation and a political spectacle.
Yeah.
unidentified
While it began as a protest against vaccine mandates for truckers crossing the border, it's really sprawled out from that point to become a flashpoint where the exact issue it's meant to protest has become a bit unclear.
dan friesen
Bay today talked to a woman named Dolores, who said the convoy is, quote, also about an us-versus-them mentality that she believes applies to the vaccinated and unvaccinated.
That is vague.
jordan holmes
We're here!
We're not sure why!
And we're really mad about it!
dan friesen
There's absolutely no chance that this convoy has widespread support in the larger Canadian trucking industry, and there's a few facts you can consult to help you understand that.
The first is that the vast majority of truckers are vaccinated.
The second is that the Canadian Trucking Alliance, the group that represents most of the trucking providers in the country, they issued a statement on January 22nd denouncing and strongly discouraging the convoy.
It wasn't even really about the political statement.
It was actually about the mode that was being used to do the protest.
The Canadian Trucking Alliance does not support and strongly disapproves of any protests on public roadways, highways, and bridges.
CTA believes such actions, especially those that interfere with public safety, are not how disagreements with government policies should be expressed.
Members of the trucking industry who want to publicly express displeasure over government policies can choose to hold an organized lawful event on Parliament Hill or contact their local MP.
What is not acceptable is disrupting the motoring public on highways and commerce at the border.
Another consideration is that the convoy doesn't really have the will of the people of Canada behind it.
percent of respondents, quote, want the government to impose further measures on the unvaccinated population.
Sure.
unidentified
There is a strong sense of, uh, The people who are into this are really into it, and then almost everybody else...
jordan holmes
Go away!
Please leave us alone!
dan friesen
There's a charade that's going on here, and it's being played out really well by right-wing media figures to make it look like this is a country's population rising up against the oppression of COVID restrictions.
Side point, I could have sworn that like a week ago Alex declared victory because the countries, all of them in the world, including Canada, had simultaneously announced they were dropping their COVID restrictions, but I guess he was just talking shit and making things up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So here's what's up.
This convoy was organized by a woman named Tamara Lick.
She's the secretary of the Maverick Party, a right-wing political party that was founded in 2020.
When it began, it was called Wexit Canada because their original point was having the Western provinces separate from Canada.
They have no representatives in the Senate or the House of Commons because their views are largely unpopular and because the idea of Western secession is a non-starter generally in terms of electoral politics, Right, because they wanted to be associated with Mel Gibson.
Yes.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That actually does track, doesn't it?
dan friesen
On their Twitter page, you can clearly see that the Maverick Party is using this convoy, organized by their secretary, to recruit people into their party.
And generally, it's not so much that they're using opposition to COVID measures to do that.
It's largely just attacking Justin Trudeau as a bad leader.
Their leader, the Maverick Party leader, Jay Hill, tweeted, quote, If the convoy does nothing more than convince all Canadians Trudeau is a pathetic leader, it's done a good job.
So I guess the goal for them is less the raising of COVID restrictions that are supposed to be hurting truckers.
It's to politically hurt Trudeau and, of course, raise party membership and hopefully bring in donations.
This is weird.
Also in his tweet, Hill misspelled Canadians.
Not great.
jordan holmes
No, he spelled it like a maverick.
dan friesen
Yes.
I can't argue with that.
It is a roguish spelling.
jordan holmes
It's a rogue spelling, yes.
dan friesen
So this has essentially been a political pageant for Jay Hill and his party.
And I'm not saying that this is the entirety of what this convoy and all this is, but there is an element of this that...
jordan holmes
They're piggybacking and trying to use it as a coming out kind of thing.
dan friesen
No, the secretary of their party organized the convoy.
Oh, well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's subtle buzz marketing.
Let's say.
So on January 25th, the leader of this Maverick party, Jay Hill, was interviewed in the Western Standard.
Hill voiced support for the convoy, saying, quote, Maverick supports Canadians' right to participate in peaceful protests when they feel compelled to draw their government's attention to important issues, and even told them that, quote, the party isn't directly involved in the trucker protest, neglecting the fact that the party's secretary is one of the main organizers of it, and another co-organizer has deep ties to the party.
This is a very dumb shell game that these people are trying to play, where they pretend that this giant spectacle that was organized by a member of their party leadership and is being used to recruit people to their party actually has nothing to do with the party itself.
It's just a weird coincidence.
I don't go in for that.
There's another angle to this, too, that should be a cause for concern, and that is the dynamics of the GoFundMe campaign that was set up for the convoy.
In a very short period of time, the campaign had raised over $6 million, and a bulk of the donors were anonymous or using aliases.
That's not too weird to donate to things anonymously.
I think that's a pretty normal human impulse.
But the concern is that...
A number of the very high dollar donations are also from completely unknown sources.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's a donation of $25,000 and $15,000.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Who knows?
jordan holmes
With Fawbert Gersher.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And this is where the issue becomes murky.
At this point, it's essentially impossible to tell how much of this donation pool was given by legitimate Canadian citizens and businesses concerned about COVID restrictions, and how much may have been donated by people from other countries who are just interested in funding something that they see as an opportunity to create a flashpoint against public health mandates.
The possibility that there's funding from abroad, whether it be from malevolent actors or anti-vax proponents here in the United States, it raises serious questions about how organic this whole thing is.
And the money, where's it going?
That's also not taking into account the need for accountability on that point.
Where's the money going?
Where's it being dispersed?
Particularly considering that one of the chief organizers of the convoy is in the leadership of a Canadian political party.
jordan holmes
That does seem important.
dan friesen
It's all very messy, and I don't get the sense that everything here is above board, but I also probably, I don't think it's...
I don't think all of the suspicious things are necessarily all worst case.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I imagine that...
Now, I don't know anything about Canada's campaign finance laws, or whether or not they even have any, but I assume you can't just, like, grift a bunch of money and then be like, aha, this is mine, it's a campaign finance now.
That seems wrong.
dan friesen
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I mean, maybe it's fine.
dan friesen
So though it began supposedly as a protest against truckers needing to be vaccinated to cross the border, this thing has now become a symbol of all opposition to COVID public health measures, and people who are extremists in that direction are going to be drawn to this thing.
There are legitimate dangers to consider, like the fact that even if the actual group of the convoy aren't up to anything violent, this does seem like a really prime opportunity for someone to use it as cover.
There had been rumblings of a desire to have a repeat of what happened in the United States on January 6th, which is cause for concern.
Those rumblings have been denounced by the convoy's organizers, so that's good.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
Regardless, the set of circumstances here are something that a bad actor could exploit fairly easily.
If there are a bunch of truckers heading to Ottawa and planning to essentially clog all the streets around the Capitol, there's a danger that should something go bad, it would be difficult for emergency responders to arrive on the scene.
Whether or not that comes to pass, the possibility that clogged streets could lead to an inability on the part of police or fire crews or medical teams to get to where they're going is one of the reasons that most people don't.
recommend protests like this right they can easily have rippling unintended consequences that that are just awful right right right right the point is that this convoy is not as large as alex is claiming it to be the political message that it was trying to send has been diluted a hijack to the point where it's essentially impotent as a protest and the roots and organization of it are all incredibly suspicious and the whole thing may just be buzz marketing for western secessionist political party
Ultimately, this weekend will be and has, you know, there have been points where it's been a little bit of a tense stretch and, you know, traffic was a disaster.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I don't know if this is going to go anywhere like itself.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
The protest itself, I'm not sure.
But, you know.
Tucker covered it, so it's the most important thing in the world.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
This is absolutely nothing like the Tea Party in 2008 at all.
dan friesen
There's another thing we need to address really quick, and that is the protest itself that's going on in Ottawa.
The convoy was organized by this person from the Maverick Party, but the protest is actually separate.
Connected, but separate.
That one was organized by a group called Canada Unity, and they're a bit more insane.
They released a memorandum of understanding that's meant to express the goals of their protest, which they're hoping to get the Senate and Governor General to sign onto.
This would require all the members of the Canadian government to stop all COVID public safety measures or immediately resign.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a big ask.
dan friesen
That's a big ask.
jordan holmes
That's a big ask.
dan friesen
Essentially, they're making an outrageous demand, and the alternative of it is to overthrow the government.
This is dumb.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is a demand that's designed to be ignored or rejected, which will then be used as proof that the government is evil and corrupt and that these protesters did everything in their power to get their way peacefully to no end and to ultimately maybe extreme measures are justified.
Yeah.
unidentified
A demand like this is crafted essentially to be rationalized later when people take extreme actions.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
This was the lay of the land before the actual rally on Saturday.
dan friesen
Then Saturday happened.
A lot of what transpired so far, as far as I can tell, has been fairly predictable.
A ton of people showed up in Ottawa, which, you know, I'm saying that there's not 50,000 trucks and there's not a million truckers.
Right.
unidentified
But I'm not saying that there's nobody.
jordan holmes
Sure.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Still a fairly large turnout.
No, no.
jordan holmes
People are crazy.
dan friesen
Many of these people were sporting Confederate flags and some even more unsavory Yeah, well, Nazis are great.
Shepherds of Good Hope Shelter reported being harassed by protesters demanding food that was meant for people experiencing homelessness.
People set up various blockades around the country, for instance, one on the border crossing between Woodstock, New Brunswick, and Holton, Maine.
As of the time I'm preparing this episode, this looks to be a completely disorganized mess that definitely could lead to some trouble down the road.
Who knows?
The demands have long ago spun out of control, and there's no satisfactory resolution for this protest Yeah, what are they going to win?
jordan holmes
Even if they do get to the negotiating table, your ask is everyone go away forever unless you do everything I want you to.
dan friesen
Yeah, have no public health measures at all.
jordan holmes
Also, in a completely undemocratic process.
dan friesen
Very.
jordan holmes
Essentially holding the entire nation hostage.
dan friesen
Yes.
People are claiming, some of the people there are claiming that they're going to stay until Trudeau resigns or public health measures are all dropped.
And neither of those things are going to happen.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Especially not as a result of strong-arm demands from these people.
jordan holmes
Also, I dare you to stay there as long as you fucking get out of here.
dan friesen
And we kind of talked about this a little bit.
It's like the ludicrousness of this proposition, even the demand of dropping the vaccination requirement to cross the border is silly.
Yeah, you would literally be in the full need of a nuclear warhead in order to try and get near the level of power you would need to negotiate that.
It's a bizarre idea.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The decentralization of this protest, with multiple convoys apparently springing up and the fantasy world objectives, they combine to create an environment that could easily get out of control.
I'm fully ready to believe that there are some folks in the protest and convoy who are well-meaning truckers who work for independent, non-union operations who are concerned about their livelihoods.
But the reality is that the way that this protest and convoy have been organized and run, they are literally creating the ideal environment for extremists to insulate themselves within the protest and use that as cover to do some bad shit.
We're recording this on Sunday, and I don't think anything too bad has happened yet, as far as I can tell.
I don't know that the situation has resolved.
Who knows if it's going to be ongoing.
And I hope it gets resolved in a swift manner and no one gets hurt and nothing ends up happening bad.
But on the off chance that things do go bad, let's not forget that people like Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan and Alex Jones were super aggressively promoting this whole thing.
Loved it.
jordan holmes
Really pushed for it.
dan friesen
Yeah, and pushed for it without any awareness of how clearly disorganized this whole thing is and how reckless.
jordan holmes
And just thoughtlessly.
I mean, so instantly.
Just like, oh, these guys are against the thing that I'm against, so I'm just going to say, yeah, go for it.
Even if somebody is on...
Even if somebody has...
Mainly the same objectives as me.
I'm still like, what the fuck are you about?
I don't know what's going on with you yet.
You know, like that kind of thing.
And these guys are like, haven't heard of them?
Fuck it.
unidentified
Yay!
jordan holmes
Go on, get up there!
dan friesen
Wait, wait.
This seems to be drawing a lot of attention.
I love it.
jordan holmes
I love it.
unidentified
It's great.
jordan holmes
Oh, is this a pro-forest fire?
I don't know.
Okay.
All right.
dan friesen
So I was thinking about it a little bit.
One of the reasons that I kind of landed on having absolutely zero faith that this actually ever was about truckers.
And the rule that they need to be vaccinated to cross the border is something that I read in a CBC article.
amount of regulations that truckers are already subject to, like brake inspections and load limits.
Truckers are even subject to physical exams that ensure that they're healthy enough to make their trips.
So it only makes sense that this would just be another aspect of that regulation set.
In order to be a licensed trucker in Canada, you need to possess a DOT medical certificate, and that requires vision and hearing testing, submitting to urinalysis, and the running of neurological and cardiovascular screenings to make sure that you don't have a high risk of seizures or heart problems that could impair you on the road.
You have to re-up that medical card every two years.
There are a lot of things that are required by the DOT physical that could be argued to be just as much medical tyranny as a vaccine requirement, so it's a little hard for me to accept that the actual problem they have is the imposition of this new requirement.
That's a mask.
It's the public-facing position that has a kernel of respectability to it that's hiding what was really...
It's just...
Anti-mask.
jordan holmes
Anti-vaxxer nonsense.
dan friesen
Yeah, and anti-government protests.
Just being presented as the public as being about these draconian restrictions and stuff.
It's silly.
jordan holmes
And, I mean, it's their great recruiting tool, or cross-pollinating tool.
You know, that's how you get somebody who's a fucking Gwyneth Paltrow goophead anti-vaxxer to turn into somebody who's like...
Yeah, we should overthrow the fucking government.
Because if you have a rally for, like, maybe let's not wear masks for a while and somebody's like, hey, guess what?
White nationalism.
That's how it goes.
dan friesen
So let me also be clear.
I don't think that, like, the whole thing is astroturf or anything like that just because the organizers or the...
One of the main organizers happens to be from this political party and such.
They seem to be running a little bit of a weird PR campaign.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Maybe Grover Norquist consulted on or something.
dan friesen
That doesn't mean that it's all a charade or anything.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Like Alex might say with Antifa.
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
It's not a false flag.
dan friesen
No, no.
I just want to be clear about that because I don't want to drift into that territory.
So, Alex is thrilled about this Canada business.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And he reiterates his claim that there's a million truckers.
alex jones
Well, Canada is now the epicenter of human awakening and human resistance as millions of people take to the streets to cheer on a convoy.
Estimated between 700,000 and a million truckers now beginning to enter.
The capital of the once great nation of Canada, now under Davos Group command.
Now under Bilderberg Group command, Klaus Schwab brags on TV that he has penetrated Canada and now has the cabinet under his control.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that thing about Klaus Schwab is from a conversation that he had in 2017 at the Harvard Kennedy School.
The Institute of Politics.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He's having this conversation about the World Economic Forum Young Global Leaders Program.
He did say that they penetrate countries' cabinets, with Canada being one of the examples he brings up.
This is just a one-minute clip that's been passed around right-wing Twitter and cut out of context to make it sound scary.
But in order to learn more, I wanted to see what this World Economic Forum Young Global Leader program was all about.
Schwab said in the clip that Angela Merkel and Putin had both been a part of it, which really doesn't make sense.
jordan holmes
I mean, what?
dan friesen
Yeah, it doesn't make sense in the context of this clip because Putin's history is pretty clear.
And this whole Young Global Leaders thing didn't start until 2004.
At that point, Merkel was already the leader of the Christian Democratic Union.
Yeah, I was going to say.
I'm guessing that maybe, and I...
I don't know.
This might be a stretch.
Maybe what Schwab meant in that clip is that Merkel and Putin spoke to the participants of the leader program, the young leader program, because they could not have been in it.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I don't believe that's possible.
jordan holmes
I mean, unless they were in a very weird hotel ballroom one time wearing odd uniforms hidden with the rest of the group.
dan friesen
Well, I mean...
I guess I'm trying to think of, like...
Possibilities.
And there could be a precursor organization to this.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
But even then, Putin was in the KGB.
jordan holmes
I just don't see Putin going to an economic program while he's in the middle of assassinating someone, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, I find that a little confusing.
unidentified
It'd be weird.
dan friesen
So you can go to the YGL website, and they actually have PDF reports going back to 2016, where you can learn about their alums and what they were working on when they were in the program.
For instance, here are a couple entries from the 2016 class.
Toshihiro Nakamura and Dispanada Dischool collaborated in Myanmar to bring simple, life-changing technologies to rural communities and reduce poverty and expand access to clean energy products.
There's another one.
Oh my god, they're so evil.
These are the sorts of projects that are being done by these young leaders in the program, which helped support their goals, the program did, and put them in contact with people in various fields that could help them out along the way.
It's unsurprising that people who partake in programs like this would end up continuing their careers pretty successfully, be that in government or at an NGO that deals with That doesn't mean that the people who were in this program are...
In the future and forever secret plants from the World Economic Forum that Schwab has control over.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
What would be the point of teaching young people anything if you were not also implanting them with a chip that you can later use to control their actions?
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
What is the fucking point?
dan friesen
Right.
I think it's a little much.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that might be a little bit of a stretch.
But, you know.
dan friesen
You can kind of assume that anybody who would be in this program is already self-selected to be a really, really motivated, probably high-achieving person.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Somebody's already invented a way to help people somewhere else by the time they were 12. It's all of a sudden like, oh yeah, then let's go do it.
dan friesen
And then this opens up networking possibilities.
It looks great on a resume.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's absurd.
dan friesen
And then you may end up in politics in a cabinet somewhere.
And Klaus Schwab can have a discussion at the Kennedy School and talk about being proud of people who went through that program.
jordan holmes
Not hard.
dan friesen
And then it's turned into this.
jordan holmes
No, I'm pretty sure he runs the entire Canadian government.
dan friesen
It's just annoying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It is annoying.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure he said that.
dan friesen
So Alex, he's...
I think it must have been the Forest Air or something, but he's pretty big on declaring a bit of victory.
alex jones
It is a bizarre, very surreal thing to now see the true talking points against the globalists and the Great Reset.
coming out of senators and congressmen and governors mouths and all the big top podcast hosts and the top Fox hosts everywhere.
We have done it, ladies and gentlemen.
Infowars, that is you, the audience of activists, and our guest, and this whole family, have successfully launched a worldwide resistance to the globalists by being aware of them and understanding that submission to their program is death.
Resistance to their program is life.
dan friesen
Alex Jones here.
I've saved the world.
jordan holmes
Now, if this is me, and I'm taking complete ownership over creating a global movement fighting the globalists, a global international movement, I don't know if I would want to be associated with the one that brings Nazi flags.
unidentified
Ooh.
jordan holmes
That's just me, though.
And it seems like all of his awakened movements have Nazi flags at them.
dan friesen
Or Confederate flags in Canada.
unidentified
Yeah!
Yeah!
dan friesen
That's a little strange.
jordan holmes
You know, I mean, that's all my...
Heritage.
dan friesen
Heritage, not hate.
unidentified
Heritage.
jordan holmes
When the right wing got all mad at people coming from Mexico up to our southern border...
I mean, the Confederate flag in Canada's southern border, that's just out of control, right?
dan friesen
Did you say Canada?
jordan holmes
I did.
Well, I mean, if you've got the Confederate flag, you don't live in Canada.
dan friesen
Sure.
So, the thing that Alex is talking about here, too, like with the real talking points getting out.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's not so much a victory of the talking points as it is an erosion of who's doing the talking.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The people who are in office and Rogan are...
They're not necessarily the most critical.
jordan holmes
Finally, the brains of the powerful have been melted enough that they do what I say.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It makes sense to people in power now.
jordan holmes
The world has been so destroyed.
Then here we are.
dan friesen
That's a damning indictment.
jordan holmes
Yeah, not great.
dan friesen
So Alex is going to retell a little bit of his story about what happened on January 6th.
I don't believe this, but it does...
jordan holmes
It's good that a year later he's finally really getting the details down.
dan friesen
Well, this probably is not relevant to courts.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It's more relevant to his psychic powers.
alex jones
Now let me issue an emergency warning right now.
Obviously we walked into a trap on January 6th.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
alex jones
We had been to so many big Trump rallies around the country with almost no violence.
dan friesen
I already got to stop.
Didn't he say that maybe Stuart Rhodes and the Oath Keepers did that shit?
jordan holmes
I have no idea what you're talking about.
It was a complete trap.
Nobody had any tranches of weapons.
dan friesen
We are back and forth all over the place on this show to a point where, if you're listening to this, you can't possibly actually know what the belief is.
jordan holmes
No, I think you just have to stand outside and scream what is real every single day.
alex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
It's always there was violence.
alex jones
It was the other side.
Literally, you could count on one hand the times Trump supporters did something wrong or were the people starting a fight.
jordan holmes
Be a big hand.
alex jones
We had rallies with hundreds of thousands, half a million people weeks before January 6th.
And I just figured, well, the police won't stand down.
The Secret Service won't stand down.
Surely they refused Trump winning National Guard.
He should have overridden that.
dan friesen
That's not true, but also...
The caravan that Alex went on with Owen, or Owen actually went on the caravan, Alex sent him off on it.
There was no violence at those because no one gave a shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, nobody came.
dan friesen
Most of them were so poorly attended.
You couldn't have a fight at them.
jordan holmes
We were in the parking lot.
alex jones
But I was like, this is going to be okay.
But I had such a bad feeling that morning.
Well, I was sitting there listening to all these boring Republican speeches, and then Trump got up there, and it was an okay speech.
That I had a horrible, foreboding feeling, and I thought, quit being paranoid.
Maybe you're just coming down with something.
Because I felt sick.
And...
Of course, I was picking up what was about to happen, that we were being led into a trap, and that this was extremely dangerous, and that if it could have triggered a bigger, true riot, true violent confrontation that could have actually triggered a civil war, and potentially millions of dead out of that.
dan friesen
Maybe Alex just hit COVID a third time.
So, Alex is just talking shit here about him having psychic premonitions about a false flag or some nonsense on the 6th, but this is just him trying to get ahead of any potential violence at the trucker convoy and rally.
Alex knows enough to know that this kind of situation creates the kind of environment that's ripe for exploitation.
You know, it's like how the thousands of people being around the Capitol and all that chaos created the exact kind of environment that would allow Alex's buddy Stuart Rhodes to have his militia invade the Capitol and try and find politicians they didn't like.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a non-zero chance of trouble from the truckers rally, all things being equal.
jordan holmes
Oh, they already stole food from the homeless.
dan friesen
Well, I think that's awful.
Spiritually and in the world, it's bad.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's not overthrowing the Capitol.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
There's a matter of scale.
jordan holmes
I will give you that.
dan friesen
It could be, you know, someone using the rally as cover for some kind of an attacker.
It could be that they clog up the streets and ambulances and fire trucks can't get to people who need their services, and that could lead to deaths.
Whatever the potential troubles that could come out of it, Alex knows that it's important to get ahead of it and preemptively declare it a false flag.
So that's what he's doing here.
It's a very transparent and consistent strategy he employs whenever there's a far-right event that looks like there's a potential for it to go bad.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So even though we're recording this on Sunday, and we know that nothing really bad has happened yet, Alex is recording this on Friday, and the strategy is very clearly, well, the rally is tomorrow.
jordan holmes
Let's hope something bad happens.
dan friesen
Well, probably.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But if it does, we better get ahead of this.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's a false flag no matter what.
So that's why he's talking about this premonition that he had on the 6th, because it's really just to lead into talking about this current premonition.
Yes.
alex jones
The first trucks of upwards of a million, with F. Trudeau on the side, are arriving at the beautiful neo-Gothic parliament building that is an extremely beautiful building, by the way, one of the most beautiful I've seen.
But it's something right out of Harry Potter.
It's got gargoyles and demons all over it.
But it's still beautiful stonework.
It's got unicorns carved in it, lions, rampant and everything.
And I've been inside the building.
It's amazing.
My point is, is that the globalists are going to try to provocateur to try to make Trudeau look good.
They're going to try to make this look violent.
And you know they're going to try to provocateur a group to actually try to go in and occupy.
The Parliament.
dan friesen
So weird, because, you know, if you think about it, Alex insisting that if anything violent happens in Ottawa, then it's definitely a false flag to make patriots look bad.
The message you could come away with is that you should do some violence.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because then it would make them look like they did it.
It would be a false flag.
dan friesen
There's no stakes.
Ultimately, you would probably be helping the conspiracy cause if you did something.
There's a built-in, pre-placed narrative that no matter what, nothing bad can be blamed on the far-right demonstrators, so you're not going to hurt the cause.
Plus, if someone does do something violent, then that's going to be proof that the globalists are so scared of what the protests are all about that they had to do a false flag.
like to invalidate it.
I'm not saying this is the same thing as Alex encouraging people to go do something violent, but in form and function, it serves no other purpose than to make it strictly beneficial for the conspiracy narrative if something bad happens.
That's weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's almost like they're priming someone to actually act as though they were the false flag plant.
Even though they're actually not the fault.
There's somebody who wants to go there.
Almost like somebody having a weird thought was just like, what if I did it and said I did it, but then I'm also a false...
There's so many weird incentives to do weird shit whenever this is your plan.
dan friesen
You're looking at this through too many ping pong bounces.
jordan holmes
Well, that's what I'm saying.
unidentified
There's so many weird things that can happen.
dan friesen
So there's trouble in Canada all around.
jordan holmes
Also, one second.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
A million theoretical trucks.
dan friesen
Right.
Well, I think he meant truckers.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because it's not a million trucks.
jordan holmes
It's not a million trucks.
dan friesen
No, sir.
jordan holmes
That would be the length of a continent.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
More.
More than a continent.
It would be a lot bigger than a continent.
I'm trying to think of the math on this one.
dan friesen
I don't think a million trucks you could fit end-to-end in Canada.
jordan holmes
Right.
Yeah.
There's no way.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
A million truckers, too, is absurd.
There's only like three and a half million truckers in the United States.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And like I said, 300,000 in Canada.
So, I mean...
You're not going to get that kind of turnout.
jordan holmes
I mean, even a thousand truckers is like 10 miles.
No, it's longer than that.
dan friesen
Yeah, I saw someone who did the math, but I can't remember exactly what it is.
It's absurd.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And one of the things that's a real problem is that people have a real inability to look at crowds or distances of things and estimate them.
jordan holmes
It's really hard.
dan friesen
Because things do look bigger than they generally are.
jordan holmes
It seems like it.
dan friesen
And I think you can see pictures of the crowd.
And I'm not diminishing them.
They're still large crowds.
But you could look at them and someone would be like, that's 100,000 people.
And it may be 15,000.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, it's tough.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I've never gotten the guess the right number of gumballs in the jar thing.
dan friesen
Oh, really?
jordan holmes
I'm not even going to come close to...
dan friesen
I've got it right every time.
jordan holmes
No shit?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's my superpower.
jordan holmes
That's incredible.
dan friesen
Much like Alex's psychic games.
jordan holmes
I mean, honestly, that's kind of maybe the best case scenario for superpowers.
Low stakes.
Nobody's ever going to suspect a thing.
dan friesen
Actually, I should clarify.
I can't do it with gumballs.
I can only do it with jelly beans.
unidentified
Ooh.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, jelly beans suck.
dan friesen
How dare you?
So Canada has some more troubles, not just trucking related.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
Canadian Walmarts install vaccine passport scanner booths to screen customers.
So the same thing's happening in Australia, New Zealand at their big stores, their grocery stores, and Canada.
dan friesen
This is a little bit of a weird situation.
I'm a bit on the fence.
On the one hand, obviously, I think that Walmart can set its own rules, and if they decide that a vaccine is required for entry in the middle of a pandemic, that's fine, and the people complaining about it are not going to get my sympathy.
Almost all of these stores allow people to purchase things and pick them up at the front door, because as much as they want to follow health guidance, they're more interested in making money.
But on the other hand, a lot of the anti-vax folks have started a campaign in Canada to boycott Walmart.
I'm not going to join up with him on this, but I would say that if the end result, this is just going to be hurting Walmart's bottom line, I don't really care.
jordan holmes
Yeah, boycott the shit out of Walmart.
Have a great time.
dan friesen
Also, this rule specifically doesn't apply to stores that sell primarily food.
So when Alex is saying grocery stores, the grocery stores are exempt from the vaccine requirement.
jordan holmes
Of course they are.
dan friesen
Alex has no idea what the actual policies are that he's complaining about, and it just works better for him to pretend that it applies universally.
jordan holmes
I mean, we can afford to put automated vaccine passport scanners in places because it would be harder to pay people to stay home and work this out.
dan friesen
It would be tough.
jordan holmes
It would be really hard.
dan friesen
So Canadian Walmarts might be facing a boycott from the unvaccinated.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But there's other things afoot.
alex jones
Canadian Walmarts install vaccine passport scanner booths.
To screen customers.
Did you ever want to know what the Antichrist system would look like?
jordan holmes
The self-checkout machine?
alex jones
Did you ever want to know what it would be like when the Walmarts become the FEMA camps?
And there you go.
dan friesen
See, this is funny because back in 2015, during the whole Jade Helm panic on Alex's show, one of the big conspiracies was that FEMA was using closed-down Walmarts as camps that they would take dissidents that they rounded up like Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I remember that one.
dan friesen
That was stupid and never happened, but the vaguest memory of that being something Alex predicted still exists in the audience's mind.
So Alex is trying to exploit that to use for his current scam.
Also, based on this story about what's going on with Canadian Walmarts, it seems like they're the opposite of FEMA camps.
Alex's whole thing is they're going to round up unvaccinated people and put them into camps, but you can't even get into the Walmart unless you're vaccinated.
jordan holmes
No, they're going to unround up unvaccinated people and get them as far away from the Walmart as they can.
dan friesen
This is contradictory.
unidentified
Makes no sense.
dan friesen
It's stupid.
Anyway, we're about to get into a section of the show that I would say is...
A bit transphobic and, you know, content warning ahead of time for that.
It starts, though, with Alex getting into the act of the green M&M brouhaha.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
But it's not about the green M&M anymore.
jordan holmes
Of course it's not about the green M&M anymore.
dan friesen
It's not about the green M&M because apparently Minnie Mouse is also getting rid of the dress, getting a pantsuit.
Right?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Yep.
Everyone's mad.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
Am I dying?
Am I hallucinating in my last moments?
Is that what makes sense of this?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Let's find out.
alex jones
Why do they put biological males in women's sports and now let them dominate every level of it?
Because if you'll accept something that ass backwards and that is that big a fraud, you'll accept anything.
And now Disney announced that Snow White...
And other female characters will not wear dresses.
jordan holmes
Ever!
alex jones
They want to take the power of women and their culture and what they like and what they gravitate to and what they enjoy and celebrating their beauty.
jordan holmes
Which I will tell them what it is.
alex jones
Why is a flower beautiful?
To attract bees for procreation.
It's the same thing.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
alex jones
Why is one species of bird colorful and other species not?
This is who we are.
This is what we do organically.
And they are saying, no, you can't do that because we're hitting you with so many chemicals and so much garbage that women will be like men and men will be like women.
And that's what they've done because it's an enemy of the people.
dan friesen
Jeez.
So is Alex implying that bees and flowers are the same species, just different genders?
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
Different sexes of bees?
jordan holmes
Beauty's an abstract concept that is beyond the capability of both flowers and bees.
dan friesen
Does he think that bees are drawn to flowers because they're pretty?
jordan holmes
I think so!
I think that's what he's thinking.
He's thinking that I believe flowers are beautiful and that is why I am attracted to them.
Right.
As opposed to a completely practical transaction of exchange of pollen.
That's it!
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But you can see here, I don't know, I was looking it up, I don't know if I saw the Disney princesses thing, I think it's just about Minnie Mouse.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I really also only think that Alex is using that, or even talking about it, because, you know, other people like Tucker, the most important person in the world.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
If only he knows it.
dan friesen
They're both getting a lot of attention for talking about this stuff.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So I think what he's doing is like, I gotta get in on it, but I've also...
Gotta be really hateful.
jordan holmes
I gotta have a twist on it.
dan friesen
Right.
Rank transphobia.
jordan holmes
I can't just be like, oh, men and women are different.
No, it's gotta be transphobic.
dan friesen
Right.
And use tired talking points about sports and what have you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And now Alex gets it.
He pivots from talking about that into talking about a story that has to do with...
A trans person who committed a crime against a child and is going to jail.
jordan holmes
Okay.
So the system worked.
dan friesen
Well, this is an interesting case because this person ended up...
They committed the crime 10 years ago or so, like around that time, when they were a minor.
And so the courts decided to send them to juvenile detention instead of going to adult prison, which is a little bit strange, but also is something that all of the prosecution and the defense had no problem with.
So there may be some details to this case that we aren't aware of that make this make more sense.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I think it's an interesting case, and I think that there is a conversation that someone probably could have about it, if you wanted to talk about it as a news story.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
A legal decision that is maybe a little bit off the beaten path.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Talk about why this could happen.
But Alex doesn't do that.
It is all just hate.
alex jones
A transgender woman, you mean a man.
Now 26 has been ordered to serve just two years in juvenile detention center for sexually assaulting a 10-year-old girl after L.A. D.A. George Gaskin refused to prosecute her as an adult.
Her.
Hannah Tubbs, formerly known as James, now 26, pled guilty in 2020 to sexually assaulting the young girl in a Denny's bathroom in 2014 when he was 17. Prosecutors had pushed for...
It to stay in the Los Angeles jail and be tried as an adult.
But the D.A. declined to file a motion to move the case out of juvenile court where it was filed.
And so now he'll put the creature in the child rapist with children.
unidentified
Amen.
dan friesen
Yeah, this isn't discussion of a news story or even analysis of a legal opinion.
This is just a person spewing hate.
There's nothing in that clip, nor in any of Alex's conversation about this story, that adds to the discussion or leads anyone to any conclusion other than to hate trans people as a class of people.
It's abhorrent.
If Alex actually wanted to express displeasure with the decision to place this person in a juvenile detention center, he could very well do that without any of the extraneous hate that he throws in, but that really wouldn't do it for his audience.
Whether they realize it or not, that kind of stuff is what makes this show exciting for them.
The hate is the spirit that animates Alex's content, and without it, there is no show and there is no audience.
It's displays like this that really should drive home how infrequently Alex's content is actually about what it's pretending to be about.
On the surface, this is supposed to be about a trans adult who is sentenced to a juvenile detention center for a crime they committed when a minor, but it's actually just an opportunity for Alex to dehumanize all trans people using this story as a prop.
I think this is a case where you could have a decent conversation about the story, and not all parties acting in good faith would necessarily agree whether or not it's appropriate to send an adult to a juvenile detention center for a crime that they committed as a youth.
And I don't think the trans aspect really has anything to do with that conversation, but you can see that this is the only aspect Alex latches onto because spreading that kind of hate is his goal, not discussing this as illegal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm struggling to see where trans comes in at all.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I mean, other than, I suppose, I mean, the sentencing question would be like...
Would we discuss a women's prison?
I mean, that seems like the obvious question.
dan friesen
There's not a lot to even talk about in terms of Alex's response to it, other than to rebuke his bigotry.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, you said it.
You're done.
You said it, and you said creature.
You're done.
dan friesen
And there's probably even worse within the rest of the episode that I did not include.
And, you know, I think I included this not necessarily to even talk about the case because, you know, his response to it does not really require a nuanced response.
jordan holmes
No, there's no case.
dan friesen
No, but I do include this because I don't often include necessarily just, you know, just outright.
Bigot nonsense.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it's important to every now and again remind people that like, yeah, this is part of the content too.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And it's home run content for him.
That's what he's looking for.
dan friesen
Yep.
So Roger Stone is coming back on.
Sure.
And...
jordan holmes
Does he need money or is he going back to jail?
dan friesen
I don't know, but we'll see.
So look, Roger, I mentioned on the last episode that he was on that he seemed to be slurring a little bit more.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he was a little bit, and the character of it and the feel of it was weird.
He's back.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's back to full strength.
dan friesen
Oh, he's back.
jordan holmes
He's Roger ready to throw stones.
dan friesen
We got vintage Roger, and part of that is that he is promoting his appearance to Alex before he gets on the show.
jordan holmes
Get out.
alex jones
And I can't tell if this is on his getter or his telegram or what it is.
Because those sites pretty much look the same.
They're all great sites.
But Roger Stone sent me this message right here.
We can do an overhead shot.
And it says, I joined Alex Jones today at 1.30 p.m. Eastern Time, that's the next segment, to talk about the Trump endorsements and what is really happening in the Republican Party.
And then he sent me this message.
He says, this will be the most significant broadcast I've done on InfoWars since 2016.
So, get ready.
dan friesen
Get ready.
jordan holmes
The most important person in the world right now is...
dan friesen
Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And his appearance is going to be the biggest fucking thing.
The biggest thing.
jordan holmes
What kind of asshole would...
Send that to...
dan friesen
Let me tell you this.
jordan holmes
I'm never texting you a tweet.
dan friesen
Let me tell you, Jordan.
Spoiler.
This is not the most important appearance at all.
jordan holmes
No doubt in my mind.
dan friesen
So we heard earlier that Alex is thrilled that the politicians and Joe Rogan are getting his talking points out.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And you know, it feels like a success.
And you got these Canadian truckers standing up.
This is changing the world.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Uh-oh, we're also in the end times.
jordan holmes
No!
alex jones
I'm a person that doesn't scare easily.
And I can tell you, I'm shook up all the time right now.
Because this is it.
This is the fabled New World Order, world government, Antichrist takeover.
I'm not saying the Antichrist is here.
I'm not saying it's about to happen next week.
But all the pieces are being put in place.
And the training wheels for it are being engaged in right now.
And you go to these big churches.
You hear nothing about this.
Instead, they ask you to check your QR code and make sure you got your vaccine passport to be there.
They are nothing but induction systems or feeders, funnels into the belly of the beast.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's right.
All churches are working for the devil except for Alex's weird version of Christianity.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So yeah, it's the end times, man.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
We got the Antichrist system.
Hey, maybe not this week.
jordan holmes
I am real sick of the end times.
I'm sick of them.
I'm just done with them.
dan friesen
It's a little tiring.
jordan holmes
I mean, but you can read the book.
It says what's going to happen.
dan friesen
But also the end times, by definition, requires an end.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it never seems to...
It keeps on going.
jordan holmes
Keeps on going.
And the mark of the beast has so far been the same mark in just many different ways for the past 20 years.
dan friesen
No, it's been a hundred different things.
jordan holmes
No, it's been a different form of barcode or a QR code or a fucking...
dan friesen
Or the vaccine.
jordan holmes
Or a vaccine.
Or it's the same shit.
It's just anything that you have today.
dan friesen
Right.
Look, you've got to get right with God.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I know that you have whatever complaints you have, but get it together, man.
jordan holmes
No, you're right.
alex jones
I'm just telling you, folks, it's time to get right with God right now.
Big time.
And it's also time for us to fight the hardest we ever had to spread the word and to get the word out and to warn people so they know what is going on.
So, we need to build up our war chest.
We don't need to be running on empty here at InfoWars.
We need to go strong into the future with as much capital as we have to operate as best we can.
And I gotta tell you, this could be the last chance you ever get to get these supplements.
dan friesen
I feel like it's a little sacrilegious.
jordan holmes
Get right with God, Dan!
dan friesen
It's the end times.
All churches are feeders to the belly of the beast.
Get right with God.
Big time.
Gotta get right with God.
jordan holmes
Only one way.
dan friesen
Supplements, baby.
jordan holmes
You got it.
You got only one way to get right with God.
Iodine!
Deep earth.
dan friesen
So, look.
People like us, Alex probably thinks of us as a lost cause.
jordan holmes
Sure.
We're supplement free.
dan friesen
True.
And last, I mean, there was a little bit of time where I was taking, like, ginkgo biloba.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
Does he sell that?
dan friesen
No, I don't know.
So, look, we're lost causes.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
But that doesn't mean that the convoy isn't also great.
unidentified
Oh.
alex jones
And everybody that works for the system, that pretends like you're on the winning team, you're fools.
jordan holmes
Fools!
alex jones
You have thrown your birthright out the window, you've destroyed yourself, and there's still time for you to turn back.
But I'm not going to talk to people that serve evil.
Most of them are a lost cause.
I'm talking to those of you that know what's going on and know how serious things are.
You need to get your head straight.
You need to get focused and get out of that fog and decide what you're going to do politically, spiritually, economically, culturally to not go along with this and not comply like the million people descending on Ottawa, Canada right now with caravans 50, 60, 70 miles long.
Coming in from every major direction.
Exposing the Great Reset.
Exposing the New World Order.
Exposing what's happening.
So, I would go to InfowarStore.com and I would get these products and I would buy extra to have a backup.
We're going to end the sale by Monday.
Vitamin C, zinc with rose hips.
1100% of your vitamin C. What the fuck?
jordan holmes
1100% of your vitamin C. Yeah, those rose hips.
Why?
Isn't 100% the correct amount?
What's the point of having more than 100% if 100% anything more than that is too much?
dan friesen
I think you see that on vitamin bottles a lot.
Multivitamins have like 2,000% of...
jordan holmes
No!
You don't get to keep it.
I don't get to have 20 days of vitamin C now.
I just pee it out the next day.
dan friesen
Sure.
I got no answer for you.
I don't know why that happens, but it does.
jordan holmes
Fair point.
Fair point.
dan friesen
But yeah, I mean, you see this.
You see what's going on here.
More ad pivots.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Bunch of them.
jordan holmes
We definitely need money.
dan friesen
But you know who doesn't?
Roger.
Roger's back.
jordan holmes
Okay.
roger stone
And what's going on right now is a systematic effort by Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy to retake control of the Republican Party and take it back to the country club.
Now, there are times when the president seems to understand this.
For example, only weeks ago was Donald Trump himself who was aghast at the vote by Congressman Christopher Smith of New Jersey for Joe Biden's Build Back Better Trillion Bonanza.
And Trump himself went on social media to call for a primary challenge to this rhino.
Fortunately, Mike Crispy, who's a broadcaster with Right Side Broadcasting, lives in the district, stepped forward and said, me, I'll take him on.
And now this rhino's in deep trouble.
dan friesen
No, he's not.
So, Roger's back, and this appearance is mostly about how he's mad at the people that Trump is endorsing, which seems to be what he was mad about last time, too.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but this is greater.
dan friesen
I think Roger is going hard on the midterms and trying to primary non-Trump loyalists.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
That seems to be his agenda, at least the last couple times he's been on Infowars.
That's pretty interesting.
jordan holmes
I mean, I would say that's probably his best shot at getting relevant in...
Politics again.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
You know, making some of these people...
unidentified
Bottom up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Making some of these people beholden to him.
dan friesen
There is no president to sort of attach yourself to in this election cycle.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So why not, like, really work on trying to get some weirdos into the house?
roger stone
Right.
jordan holmes
And the rhino is not going to hire me or listen to me or take my text messages.
dan friesen
Certainly not.
jordan holmes
Mike Crispy, dude.
dan friesen
Hell yeah.
So we got our first completely doomed congressional primary candidate getting thrown into the mix here on Infowars, and it's a dum-dum broadcaster from right side.
Ballotpedia has a profile on Crispy, and apparently a couple of his top issues are, quote, election integrity and, quote, eliminating mandates.
It's pretty easy to see that it's obviously attractive to the right-wing base.
The stolen election narratives, which is just basically re-litigating 2020.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And just anti-vax bullshit.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was a lot of the conversation.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
The midterm surrounds.
jordan holmes
Oh, you don't think so?
dan friesen
It's going to be annoying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
One of the areas of public policy that Crispy said he's passionate about personally is, quote, banning CRT, which is insane.
I can't imagine how little you would have to engage with reality for that to be one of the issues you're most passionate about personally.
Unless you're a racist, and then that makes sense.
jordan holmes
Well, it's 2022.
There's a pandemic raging.
Global international relationships are fucking crumbling in front of our eyes.
But imagine if children knew that we were slave owners once!
dan friesen
I'm personally passionate about this.
Anyway, good luck to this ding-dong.
He's up against Chris Smith in the primary, who's been in office since 1981.
In 2020, he won the Republican primary with 94.8% of the vote.
And if all the candidates running stick around to the primary, it seems completely unfathomable that he will lose against four other candidates who have a high likelihood of splitting the weirdo vote amongst themselves.
jordan holmes
They'll all get 1%.
dan friesen
For instance, Dave Berg is running in their primary, and he's branding himself as the America First candidate who's prioritizing, quote, eradicating critical race theory and only has one book listed in response to the question of what his favorite book is.
Oh no.
It's not.
jordan holmes
No.
Ayn Rand.
dan friesen
It's Molly Hemingway's book, Rigged, which is about the 2020 election being stolen.
jordan holmes
I've learned what books are!
It's 2021!
dan friesen
Berg and Crispy are essentially going to be fighting each other over the weirdo scraps, and Chris Smith is going to easily win this primary.
That's not even counting Mike Blassie, the veteran and also America First candidate who's in the primary, who recently tweeted in favor of requiring IDs to vote, and also posted a meme with a fake Martin Luther King quote.
Quote, the hottest place in hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict.
That isn't a Martin Luther King quote.
It's actually just a poor paraphrasing of a line from Dante's Inferno.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It traces back to various sources including Hellfire Preachers and even Teddy Roosevelt and later JFK.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Anyway, this guy wants to bring back Jim Crow laws and is posting fake MLK quote memes on Martin Luther King Jr.
Day.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So he's also going to be splitting the particular voting block with Berg and Crispy.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Point is, this is Chris Smith's race to lose.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm really waiting for the next Republican candidate to take it another notch and just be like, America second.
White people first.
And then, there we go.
Now you're uniting the base right there.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's what they're really looking for.
dan friesen
So this is Roger's first salvo.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Crispy.
He's fucked.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, start with a losing effort and see what you got, you know?
dan friesen
The second one is actually a little bit more plausible, but also is a huge loser.
roger stone
In fact, it was James Langford who said that he was open to a third impeachment over Donald Trump regarding January 6th.
This guy is the number one rhino in the country.
He's a certain vote for Mitch McConnell to return to the leadership.
Now, he's being challenged by Jackson Lawmire, a hard-charging pastor and businessman who has built an extraordinary grassroots campaign and is beginning to press the senator.
dan friesen
Jackson Lawmire is probably not going to win this primary, but is a perfect InfoWars-type candidate because he's a fucking con man.
He made headlines in late 2021 because he was offering to provide his signature for people to use to get religious exemptions from any vaccine requirements, but in order to get one, you had to donate to his church.
See, this is really fun because not only is it him selling his religious beliefs...
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, he's not selling it!
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
It's also a complete scam.
He's running on the scared anti-vax people that he's...
jordan holmes
I mean, they're just giving to the Lord.
dan friesen
Every state has different rules about exemptions, but there's almost no situation where you would be required to have a note from your pastor in order to get one.
This is baby shit.
Like, imagining that vaccine exemptions are like getting your parents to sign a slip that says you don't have to go to gym class.
jordan holmes
This is ridiculous.
Is this a Stubblebine original?
Are we back to laminating cards that say, you don't have to hurt me, man?
dan friesen
This dude is exploiting the ignorance of people he's marketing himself to, specifically using the appearance of his religious position for profit.
That makes him a real piece of shit.
Oh, totally.
In this case, again, there are five candidates in the GOP primary, but the dynamics are a little bit different.
James Lankford is the incumbent, but he has two people with actual political experience running against him in the primary.
That's less weirdos to split the weirdo vote and more actual politicians who could end up siphoning votes from Lankford.
I still doubt that Lyle Meyer is going anywhere, but he's got a better shot than Crispy in terms of just the folks who are in that primary.
Like, if the actual politicians drop out before the primary, then he's fucked.
If that doesn't happen, then they could end up splitting the non-insane vote.
jordan holmes
This is going to be one of the funnier Republican primary election seasons.
dan friesen
It will not be funny.
jordan holmes
No, it's going to be funny for me just because it's going to constantly be that Futurama joke of the, your 3% titanium tax doesn't go too far enough!
I think your 3% titanium tax goes too far!
You know, like, they're all saying the same shit.
America first, anti-vax, they're all saying the same shit at each other!
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's bananas!
dan friesen
Right, and you gotta think that if people really want to set themselves apart, they're gonna have to go even more extreme.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're gonna have to go crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's the only way to differentiate themselves.
dan friesen
How do you pull away from the pack?
In crazy town.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You gotta go crazy.
jordan holmes
You gotta go crazy.
You can't go sane.
You can't be like, hey, I'm the guy who thinks we should compromise.
Nobody gives a fuck about you, man.
dan friesen
No, you'll get thrown out of the Trump camp real quick.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
So Roger's got another candidate.
jordan holmes
I think we should reach across the aisle.
Boo!
dan friesen
Roger's got another candidate, and this made me really sad.
roger stone
What about Laura Loomer?
She's running an incredibly hard-charging race against Dan Webster in Florida.
Webster didn't even bother to show up to vote against the second impeachment attempt, and he didn't even bother to send a proxy, which is allowed under House rules.
dan friesen
Laura Loomer's not going anywhere.
This is just rough.
jordan holmes
The specter of Laura Loomer becoming a congressperson?
Not very scary.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Not worried about it?
dan friesen
Not at all.
We saw her try this last time.
roger stone
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Didn't go well.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Even though she was way ahead in the polls.
jordan holmes
She was ahead by 60% at one point.
dan friesen
She was raising millions and millions and millions of dollars.
jordan holmes
I don't know if anybody's ever had more money than her.
dan friesen
She had like 80% of the vote.
jordan holmes
All the money.
dan friesen
And then it was stolen from her.
jordan holmes
It was a thievery.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay, cool.
jordan holmes
Good luck, Laura.
dan friesen
So we got a scammy preacher.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
We got a right-side broadcasting weirdo.
jordan holmes
Not bad.
dan friesen
And Laura Loomer.
jordan holmes
And we got Laura Loomer.
unidentified
Cool.
jordan holmes
Somehow a mixture of all...
Love the bad things.
unidentified
Cool.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
This is why Alex sees politicians repeating his talking points.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's because of this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, I worry that the intellectual powerhouse of Roger Stone, Alex Jones, and Laura Loomer, I don't know if we can defeat them.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's daunting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, too smart.
It's a game of four-dimensional chess.
dan friesen
Alex and Infowars won't even put Laura Loomer's name on her video.
You're gonna fucking support her on a ballot?
Get the fuck out of here.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
So Roger's got some big election 2020 news.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Yeah, 2020?
It's almost time.
roger stone
Big news, by the way, today, the breaking just a little while ago out of Pennsylvania, where the Pennsylvania Commonwealth courts have ruled the mail-in ballots used in the last election to be unconstitutional.
It was pretty clear to most of us, but again, the rhinos in the Republican state legislature, House and Senate, threw Donald Trump over the side and legalized mail-in ballots.
Now it will go to the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania, which leans left.
If the next election is held in Pennsylvania under the old rules, you're not going to elect a Republican governor and you're not going to elect a Republican governor.
Okay.
dan friesen
I appreciate your conviction, but it means nothing.
So this is about a law that Pennsylvania passed that allowed no excuse mail-in ballots.
So it doesn't have to do with the entire issue of mail-in ballots, just a specific circumstance because of the pandemic.
So GOP folks challenged the constitutionality of that law, and a lower court that's comprised of three Republicans and two Democrats voted three to two that was against the Constitution of the state.
unidentified
Oh yeah?
jordan holmes
Which way did it go?
dan friesen
Exactly how you would expect.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So this was appealed to the state Supreme Court, where It will inevitably be struck down and the law will stand.
It's not just because that Supreme Court has a 5-2 Democratic majority.
Even if the Supreme Court did throw this out, though, throughout the law, like if they struck it down, it wouldn't have any effect on the 2020 election.
jordan holmes
Uh, no.
I'm pretty sure we have to go back in time and then just redo it all.
dan friesen
Can't do that.
So what really demonstrates how much of a cult the GOP has become is the fact that 11 of the GOP lawmakers who raised this challenge to the court actually voted for the bill to become law.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And the law was passed by a Republican-controlled legislature.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
Alex loves to misuse 1984 references, but this might be actually a good spot to deploy that.
One of those.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think it's a little...
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a little double-speaky.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's a little fucked up.
Like, these 11...
Look, we passed an unconstitutional law.
jordan holmes
I mean, I just don't even...
dan friesen
We demand you to strike down this law that we voted in favor of.
jordan holmes
It's insane.
It's insane.
It really is insane.
Just have them all walk out and go...
And that would be the same thing.
dan friesen
You mean like how people do to Alex at the grocery store?
jordan holmes
Yes, like how people do to Alex at the grocery store.
Just do that because it doesn't matter what you say.
All of your words mean nothing.
dan friesen
Yeah, speaking of which, Alex heard a clip of Trump saying that he's going to be the 45th and 47th president.
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
And here's Alex's response to that.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
alex jones
But right now I wanted to play this clip of Trump a few days ago saying I'm going to be the 45th and 47th.
Remember, six months ago the media didn't pick it up.
Roger, you know, met with Trump.
He didn't want to get specific, but Trump had gone from wasn't going to run to them messing with him, going to run.
And the Afghanistan thing was the final deal.
And here was Trump confirming it, that he will be the 47th president.
That has got to scare the hell out of the left.
Here it is.
dan friesen
I thought Alex hated Trump now.
jordan holmes
I mean, what do we do?
dan friesen
I thought he was done with him.
These folks, especially like Alex, have based so much of their ability to engage with the world on Trump sycophant nonsense that they just can't.
They can't go away from him.
They'll get mad, they'll throw a little tantrum, and then they'll come back.
Even though, I don't know, does Trump change his position on vaccines?
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Certainly didn't get unboosted.
jordan holmes
I mean, the thing about it that's really interesting is that they are beholden to fake Trump forever.
They are trapped in this world of like, oh, we made this fake one too real.
unidentified
Shit!
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because the real one is nothing like the fake one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, Alex talks about that, even like he's our beachhead.
He's the symbol, this signet of...
Yeah, you fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, the thing about making a flag your symbol is that the flag can't contradict you.
When you make a dude your symbol, he's gonna be disappointing.
dan friesen
And then you gotta throw a fit.
And then you gotta get back in line.
And if I were Trump, I would recognize this dynamic really clearly by now.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, it's so easy.
dan friesen
And I would not give a fuck about making some of these people mad.
unidentified
Why?
jordan holmes
Why would you care about anything?
dan friesen
You'll throw a tantrum for a little while, and then you'll recognize that I'm the only means you have of ever getting in power.
jordan holmes
Ever again.
dan friesen
And you'll go fuck yourself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, at this point, Trump is gonna pull Grover Cleveland to become the president and a Supreme Court justice.
Who fucking cares?
dan friesen
Could happen.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, January 6th happened.
Ashley Babbitt got shot and, you know, obviously sad.
But Alex has got some news on that front.
jordan holmes
She was not actually shot.
dan friesen
She was.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
But we gotta rewrite everything surrounding it.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's smart.
roger stone
And then there's Ashley Babbitt, unarmed, killed in cold blood.
Who is she menacing?
Really?
alex jones
And we now know from the full footage that hadn't been released until now that came out in court that she was freaking out because she'd been a police officer in the military telling everybody to stop and demanding the police stop the crowd.
Now we know it was the opposite.
She wasn't even trying to jump through the window.
dan friesen
So this new version of the Ashley Babbitt story comes from a Zero Hedge article, and it relies on footage that was shot by John Sullivan.
And actually, it didn't come out in court.
It's not full of footage that wasn't available.
Alex had it on January 6th.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
One of his employees was standing next to John Sullivan in the foyer there and asked him to buy his footage from him.
You see that on tape.
Anyway, it's this footage and then an interpretation that's provided by Taylor Hansen, who, of course, was the guy who...
Sure.
Hanson has been talking about Ashley Babbitt literally since he exited the Capitol building, because he was a guest on Infowars that day.
And it's not the story that he's been telling up to this point.
unidentified
Isn't that weird?
dan friesen
This version of it is, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but now that they've had some time to really think about how they wished it had gone, they can really write it out.
dan friesen
This isn't new footage.
It's not a new revelation.
It's just new spin that these same right-wing shitheads posing as independent journalists are trying to sell to take some of the heat off the fact that their buddies got arrested for seditious conspiracy.
And it's...
Boring.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Boo.
Man, it's been a while.
You know the election?
That was a few years ago.
dan friesen
Yes, it was.
jordan holmes
The 6th?
That was a whole year ago.
You can't rewrite these things now.
dan friesen
They're trying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is a problem.
That is a problem.
dan friesen
It's not really going to stick, though, I don't think.
jordan holmes
Not for a long time.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Maybe just for long enough.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
You know, there'll be a little bit of a flash-up.
A little bit of a, woo!
Maybe get a little bit of a charge out of it.
jordan holmes
It's just not enough.
dan friesen
So, Roger was there in D.C. Yes.
And he gave a speech on the 5th.
Some have said, now granted, some are Roger, that it was a perfect speech.
jordan holmes
Ah!
I don't know if anybody has said that.
dan friesen
Such a good speech.
roger stone
Yeah, I gave a speech on the 5th of January and I put it up on YouTube and guess what?
It's gone.
They've taken it down.
unidentified
Why?
roger stone
Because it was, as Donald Trump would say, a perfect speech.
That's why.
I didn't advocate lawlessness.
I didn't advocate anarchy.
I didn't advocate that anyone hurt anyone at the Capitol or anyone else.
I did talk about my apocalyptic view of the struggle this country faces, and I did say it is a struggle between good and evil, between dark and light, between the godly and the godless.
By the way, it is anti-Christian bigotry to say, oh, well, that means you're for violence.
No, that means I believe in Jesus Christ.
That's what it means.
And I have a right to say that, but they want to snuff out your right to say that.
That's why I'm spending all my money, all my time raising money to pay lawyers.
I'm so sick of paying lawyers.
I like to go back to having a normal life, but that's not going to happen.
So, folks, go to stonedefensefund.com.
And after you do that, go to the Infowar store and buy a product.
People don't understand the importance of Infowars as a beacon of freedom and truth over the last five years.
They don't understand it.
dan friesen
Man, Alex has got to be pissed that Roger said over the last five years.
jordan holmes
Ever since I showed up specifically, they have been a beacon of light and truth.
dan friesen
Before that, who knows?
jordan holmes
That shit was terrible.
dan friesen
Alex just looked like a mark.
I took advantage of that, so who cares?
Yeah, so he gave a great speech.
It's anti-Christian bigotry to...
Claim that he's a weirdo.
Also, he's not going to turn the other cheek, as we recall from his last appearance.
jordan holmes
That was the most like a child I've heard Roger Stone sound like in a long time.
I gave a great speech.
I did a great job, admittedly.
I did say that it was a struggle between good and evil, but you know what?
That's not advocating a fight.
It's anti-Christian.
unidentified
That's what it is.
dan friesen
That's what it is.
I'll say that the version of him that carries religion as a shield is not a fun Roger.
The Roger that is a weirdo and a libertine, that's a bit more of a fun Roger who carries a shield of I'm so strange you can't really nail me down.
jordan holmes
What are you going to do?
I had an orgy the other night.
What am I going to be mad?
dan friesen
I'm a swinger and a no- Yeah.
Good luck making me care.
jordan holmes
How can I feel bad with a tattoo of Nixon on my back?
Every morning I wake up while I'm brushing my teeth, I take a look and I go, well, at least I'm not that fucker.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is like, that's so much more of an interesting Fawn Roger.
This is just sad.
jordan holmes
Moralizing post-fucking-got-caught-fraud.
Yeah.
dan friesen
But you should know that Alex...
Roger, they're the truth-tellers in the world, and that's really why...
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure Roger was convicted of fraud.
dan friesen
Well, sure, but look, they're the truth-tellers, and that's why everybody is trying to take them down.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
roger stone
Why do they want to lock us up?
Why do they want to lock Stone and Jones up?
Because we are threats to them.
Because the truth is always threatening to them.
No one is as hated as the truth teller.
I believe that's what Plato said.
And it is absolutely right.
So, go to stonedefensefund.com.
Make a contribution.
Go to the info store right now and buy one of the great products.
And if you're not in the mood for a product, you can make a donation.
There's a donation button.
I'm sick of being called a grifter.
dan friesen
Don't act like this, then.
jordan holmes
After telling people to donate!
To donate to a store!
Not to buy something!
To donate to the store!
I don't know why people call me a grifter!
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, like, I sympathize.
I empathize.
It sucks.
It sucks probably being called a grifter.
jordan holmes
I hate being called a grifter.
dan friesen
When you act like one...
People will call you that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think it's just a natural result of actions as opposed to...
jordan holmes
I don't like it when people look at me accurately.
I would prefer to be shrouded in a web of lies.
dan friesen
Yes, as I had for the majority of my career.
jordan holmes
Please think of me in the fictional sense where I am an unbeatable monster.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So after this, Alex interviews a lawyer who's against mandates, vaccine mandates.
And he pumps...
And promotes that he interviewed General Flynn.
But this is about where I emotionally checked out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Fair.
dan friesen
I was like, I had Roger come in and yell about loser-ass candidates.
jordan holmes
Ooh, bad.
dan friesen
Try and make a bunch of...
Give me money!
I'm a truth teller!
jordan holmes
I'll even bring up Play-Doh!
dan friesen
There's just nothing funnier than that, like, string of give me money, give me money.
I'm tired of people calling me a grifter.
jordan holmes
I hate when people call me a grifter.
It's so unfair.
dan friesen
And the presumption that there's something in giving him money that will make him not be called a grifter in the future.
jordan holmes
I mean, just the idea.
That the last time I hear you come on, you are telling me that you need people to donate to your legal fund so you can sue everybody.
dan friesen
Sue everybody.
jordan holmes
Everybody.
dan friesen
Everybody in the media is on notice.
jordan holmes
Everyone.
dan friesen
Which he's dropped.
That doesn't come up in this appearance.
jordan holmes
And then it does not come up at all.
But he still wants you to donate to the same fund.
dan friesen
Now the defense fund.
jordan holmes
It's the defense fund.
dan friesen
Which maybe is for the offense also.
jordan holmes
Well, maybe one way or the other.
But listen, he's not a grifter.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Okay?
Just because his story changes from moment to moment based upon what he thinks will emotionally manipulate you enough into giving him money does not mean he's a grifter, Dan.
dan friesen
And he's trying to trick you into believing that he's going to get loser fucking candidates into office.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
As if you...
As if you donating to Roger is just as good as donating to their campaign.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Because Roger's going to use it to help them, of course.
dan friesen
He's going to promote them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
These candidates are getting exposure.
alex jones
Oh, man.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we come to the end of this, and I don't know.
I think this was a strange episode because...
Trying to prepare it while the rally and the convoy were sort of ongoing was a little bit of a difficult thing because you didn't really know where anything was going to land.
Even as we're recording this, I still am, like I said, not entirely sure if things have wrapped up, when things will wrap up.
jordan holmes
If they'll escalate or if they'll de-escalate.
dan friesen
Yeah, and if people are going to actually...
Stay true to their word of, I'm going to stay here until Trudeau resigns.
jordan holmes
I mean, if roughly 700,000 Canadians are suddenly going to become truckers in order to meet the million required.
dan friesen
It could happen.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's possible.
dan friesen
I don't know if the licensing bureau could handle it.
jordan holmes
Ooh, it's going to take a while.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's going to be a backlog.
unidentified
During COVID?
jordan holmes
Ooh, man, that's going to be rough.
dan friesen
No way.
jordan holmes
That's going to be rough.
dan friesen
Just getting those DOT physicals is going to be a disaster.
No, it's not going to work.
jordan holmes
Hearing tests take at least 20 minutes a pop.
dan friesen
You know that from experience.
unidentified
I do.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm telling you.
dan friesen
And that's not even considering the neurological tests that they need to schedule.
So, I think we'll see what happens, and we'll check back in.
But this is where we're at.
unidentified
Yeah.
I think...
dan friesen
We'll be back.
jordan holmes
It's 2022?
alex jones
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
We'll be back.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, I'm Daryl Rundis.
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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