#596: Possibly Too Much Wacky
Today, Dan turns heel on the world by digging deeper into wackiness. In this installment, he tells Jordan about an episode of The Jim Bakker Show in order to infuriate him with details about the Court of Heaven.
Sept. 15, 2021 - Knowledge Fight
01:13:32
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knowledge fight damn and jordan i am sweating knowledgefight.com it's time to pray i have great respect for knowledge fight knowledge fight i'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys | |
| Chang, we are the bad guys Knowledge of the fire Dan and Jordan Knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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Stop it. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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It's time to pray. | |
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding us. | ||
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes. | ||
| I can sit around, drink, worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
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Dan! | |
| Jordan! | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What was your bright spot today? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is that my watching of Survivor continues. | ||
| Oh, it continues. | ||
| I've made it to season 31, I think. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Maybe 32. Oh, boy. | ||
| It's a brains versus brawn versus beauty season. | ||
| Survivor has a couple of themes that they've developed over the course of the years. | ||
| One of them is very interesting and compelling, and that is blood versus water, where you have people who have to play against their loved ones. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like their wife or their husband or their child. | ||
| And having people have to compete in a physical challenge against their child is nuts. | ||
| Yeah, that is very weird. | ||
| People are crying all over the place. | ||
| Of course they are. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a compelling twist. | ||
| If you have to keep changing this show from what it originally was, at least that's sort of an interesting sociological thing. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Turn it into a fucking Dostoevsky novel. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Get in there. | ||
| The first season was just like, can you make a hut? | ||
| That is a Dostoevsky novel, yeah. | ||
| So the other theme is this beauty versus brawn versus brains, which is like, what's the most important thing? | ||
| And so you have three tribes. | ||
| One of them are like beautiful people. | ||
| What a weird thing to do. | ||
| I find it to be a really poorly done idea, too, because it's not like the people who are the brawn tribe, the strong tribe, it's not like they have no mental ability. | ||
| I mean, yeah, it seems like in order for it to truly be fair... | ||
| All things must be boiled down to a single attribute. | ||
| You have only strength. | ||
| Yeah, exactly! | ||
| You can only use strength, or you can only use beauty, or you can only use your brains, that type of thing. | ||
| That seems to me like that would be how you would do that. | ||
| Yeah, it would have to be. | ||
| And it doesn't. | ||
| Otherwise, it's just three groups. | ||
| They're all pretty attractive people, too. | ||
| Yeah, of course, it's on TV! | ||
| Sure, the beauty tribe is full of people who are maybe models and stuff. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| One of the guys on the brain tribe is like, everybody says I look like Obama. | ||
| Okay, well, fuck off! | ||
| You're a very attractive man. | ||
| You're a good-looking dude. | ||
| Calm it down. | ||
| I'm very smart, and I look like President Obama. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| No big deal! | ||
| I've been watching this. | ||
| It's been infuriating me. | ||
| So I guess that's my bright spot. | ||
| Oh, that's great. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| How about you? | ||
| My bright spot, Dan. | ||
| You know, over the years, I've had many petty feuds for no reason other than... | ||
| Connor Friedersdorf is one of the big ones. | ||
| Connor Friedersdorf has appeared in my life again today. | ||
| For some reason... | ||
| Did he tweet at you again? | ||
| No, he just decided to be the shithead of the day. | ||
| He said something stupid and people started tipping up. | ||
| What made it good for me, though, was it was like revisiting an old neighborhood, you know? | ||
| I went back to Avondale the other day and you see all the stuff that's the same and you see the stuff that's different and you're like, oh, I remember this place. | ||
| I remember what this used to be. | ||
| Friedersdorf's still a shithead. | ||
| Never change, man. | ||
| Never change. | ||
| That's your word of encouragement. | ||
| That's my word of encouragement. | ||
| It always feels like home to see your bad takes. | ||
| It is! | ||
| You low-level asshole. | ||
| I'm happy for you on that phone. | ||
| Yeah, it was great. | ||
| So, Jordan, we've got an episode to do today and some complaining. | ||
| But, before we get to that, let's take a little moment to say thank you and hello to some new wonks. | ||
| We're not mad at the crew. | ||
| No, I'm not mad at the crew. | ||
| First, the Hobbit. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, the hobbit. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Next, help, I'm stuck in a podcast factory. | ||
| Thank you as much for a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, hey, you. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Annette, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thanks, Annette. | ||
| And also, I'd like to say thank you to a technocrat out there. | ||
| What's up, Lauren L.? | ||
| How you doing? | ||
| You're now a technocrat. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Crikey, mate. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| Alright, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
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Why are you pimps so good? | |
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare Infowar on you. | ||
| Thank you, Lauren. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much, Lauren. | ||
| Now, before we get to business on this episode today, Jordan, what we have to do is we have to take a little trip. | ||
| Are we going to be taking a trip into the past? | ||
| No. | ||
| Are you ready to take a trip with me? | ||
| Where are we going? | ||
| Scotland. | ||
| Okay, I'm into Scotland. | ||
| I like Scotland. | ||
| While we're here, we've got to say happy birthday to Ross from Scotland. | ||
| We missed this on Monday, but he sent a very nice message, so happy birthday. | ||
| And also in Scotland, there's big news. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Thanks to Tyler. | ||
| In the Glencoe woods of Scotland, there is a plot of land that has been adopted in the name of Selene. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| This is a conservation kind of thing, environmentalism, but one of the fun things that comes along with this is that with this land, you get a title. | ||
| So now... | ||
| Is Selene a baroness? | ||
| She's a lady. | ||
| She's a lady. | ||
| Lady Selene. | ||
| All right. | ||
| It's about time that we're moving up, not just in the animal world, but in the earth world. | ||
| We're taking over. | ||
| It's very exciting. | ||
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Very slowly. | |
| So congratulations to Lady Selene. | ||
| Thank you so much, Tyler. | ||
| That was very cool. | ||
| Yes, I would like many people to compliment Selene and Scott's. | ||
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Yes. | |
| That would be a delay. | ||
| Let's get back to Chicago so we can record the episode. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Here we are. | ||
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We're back. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Thanks, Mr. Peabody. | ||
| So, I've had a bad week already, and a lot of it has to do with people posting that goddamn song of Alex's. | ||
| Another million and a half views on this video flying all over Twitter. | ||
| The Bon Ivera parody. | ||
| Oh, great. | ||
| And it really was bumming me out. | ||
| And it's going to make me need to fully turn off notifications and any kind of... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Because here's the thing. | ||
| I went and I checked. | ||
| We talked about that on episode 65 of this podcast. | ||
| 65? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| That was back in 2017. | ||
| Oh wow. | ||
| We dealt with that and discussed how that is actually... | ||
| Though it's fun and it's funny and it feels good. | ||
| It is actually something that plays directly into Alex's hands. | ||
| And actually... | ||
| Making content like that and making it really popular allows him to better inoculate or keep trapped his audience, inoculate them from outside influences, and make him seem like somebody who's actually above board, and it solidifies a lot of the negative narratives and the dangerous. | ||
| Worldviews that he perpetuates. | ||
| And I wanted to discuss that again, and maybe in greater detail, but I realized we've already done it, and I've banged that gong a hundred times. | ||
| But then when I'd see these tweets come in, I'd get notifications on my phone because I hadn't turned off the notifications. | ||
| It just felt constantly like, your work doesn't matter. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
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Your point? | |
| No one cares. | ||
| It really bums me out to know that we did that five years ago. | ||
| That's too long ago. | ||
| That's too long ago. | ||
| Especially for us to have essentially the same take. | ||
| Like, to have not grown at all in five years because the correct take has already been laid down. | ||
| I don't want to say that there's no room for growth. | ||
| I'm sure there's nuance we could add to it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's a little bit of a bummer, and that really sort of messed with my emotional state. | ||
| It kind of made me a little madder than I like to be generally. | ||
| No, I understand. | ||
| And it's no one's fault. | ||
| And like even we talked about in 2017, it's like, I get it. | ||
| It's just we need to get to a place where we recognize the things that are useful for propagandists and the things that are not. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| What's important is that those things are great, but will only be great after Alex is no longer a threat to everyone. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I think... | ||
| I would love to enjoy it five years from now when Alex is, I don't know, in space or something. | ||
| I think that was even kind of the point, was like, in a perfect world, this would be great. | ||
| But, you know, I mean, it doesn't work. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Anyway, look, here's the deal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Another thing happened, and that was that on Friday, over the weekend, Alex was on some stream, some gamer, or not gamer, but I guess, I don't know, some people have told me these guys are gamer-gate-ish types. | ||
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Great. | |
| But I don't know, it's like a pop culture stream. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Whatever they are. | ||
| I don't even care. | ||
| People had asked that we cover it, because Alex Jones showed up on this weird stream, and... | ||
| He really will show up anywhere now. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Without saying anything too much, I think he might be showing up a lot of places. | ||
| He might be willing to show up a lot of places. | ||
| He might be willing to go just about anywhere. | ||
| You might be surprised by the pathetic places you may end up seeing him. | ||
| But let's just say Rogan is not the floor. | ||
| Not taking him. | ||
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So... | |
| I went and I watched this, and it was just a depressing display. | ||
| It was just really boring, too. | ||
| These guys, eight white dudes, just sitting around letting Alex yell things at them, and then them being like, you're a genius. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| Yeah, it was a bummer. | ||
| It was a little bit depressing. | ||
| And it was also strange to see these people who fancy themselves, or at least the presentation, as far as I can tell, I have no idea. | ||
| I don't know who... | ||
| I've not watched these people's content, but they're doing a pop culture-related show, and at least three of them have beards that are unacceptable for the office place. | ||
| And most of them are broadcasting from bedrooms with DVD collections behind them. | ||
| Great. | ||
| And so it's weird for me to see these people who are like... | ||
| Modern pop culture. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then they have their minds blown by like repackaged John Birch Society talking points from back when these like Alex's heroes were fighting against the civil rights movement. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like it just it's so weird to me to see like them think this is fresh. | ||
| They are I mean. | ||
| It's very fresh whenever you're not in the middle of seeing the consequences of that bullshit, you know? | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| Like, I feel like the United States has gone through a constant ebb and flow of like, okay, the far right kills everybody and then it flows back as everybody's like, hey, no, we can't allow that to go on. | ||
| For a couple of years, everything goes fine and everybody forgets that it's your fucking far right friends who are going to kill everybody. | ||
| They do it again and then we go another 20 years and it's like, hey, everybody quit it. | ||
| We can't let this happen. | ||
| And then, you know, a new generation of... | ||
| Shithead show up. | ||
| And we'll see what happens this time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, I watched this stream and I just didn't think it was interesting. | ||
| I didn't think it really brought up any points that I felt compelled to really cover. | ||
| And it really kind of just bummed me out. | ||
| Because here I am, trying to go down these roads. | ||
| I'll check out Alex in a different context. | ||
| This may be fun. | ||
| Wasn't. | ||
| And then all these people just bombarding me with, like, why don't you watch this Bon Iver meme? | ||
| I almost turned supervillain. | ||
| Like, it was almost enough for me to be, like, this is my Victor Von Doom backstory. | ||
| So wait, there were eight people on that stream? | ||
| Yeah, eight dudes. | ||
| Eight dudes all in their own boxes. | ||
| It looked like a Brady Bunch theme song. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| See, it was Coach Dave. | ||
| They were Coach Daving it. | ||
| Coach Dave doesn't usually have them all on video at the same time, but yeah. | ||
| That's infuriating. | ||
| How could you do that to me? | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| I just... | ||
| No. | ||
| Gross. | ||
| No. | ||
| And so anyway, I decided I wanted to do a Sneaky Snake episode. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| But I didn't want to do any of this shit. | ||
| No. | ||
| I almost want to punish the world. | ||
| Well, you are Victor Von Doom now. | ||
| Well, they dare make Alex go viral for this stupid bullshit again. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And so I am turning heel. | ||
| Oh, God, no. | ||
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Son of a bitch. | |
| I knew this was coming. | ||
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Today, our special guest is the author of the best-selling Courts of Heaven series, Pastor Robert Henderson! | |
| Pastor Robert Henderson. | ||
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Yep. | |
| We're going back to Jim Baker. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| It's been a long time. | ||
| It's been a long time. | ||
| We shouldn't have left you without some canned food to step to. | ||
| Look, here's the thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jim Baker had a stroke a while back, and there's been a long period of time where I've been like, I don't want to talk about his show because... | ||
| I don't feel good about it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's a stroked out old weirdo propagandist monster. | ||
| And I've watched... | ||
| With a cult compound. | ||
| I've watched some of his stuff. | ||
| And this episode that I was watching made me kind of realize that, like, I don't think it's the stroke. | ||
| I think he's just old. | ||
| You think he's just old? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't feel as bad. | ||
| But at the same time, I'm going to pull some punches and be a little bit restrained. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I have no interest in making fun of the points where, like... | ||
| You know, just aging maybe coming into effect. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Like if he forgets something or whatever. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I have no interest in that that's low-hanging fruit. | ||
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Right. | |
| But at the same time, this episode was amazing. | ||
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All right. | |
| This Robert Henderson guy is someone who must be spoken about. | ||
| You're selling me on this pretty hard. | ||
| We're going to find out. | ||
| Have you ever heard about this guy? | ||
| No, I have not heard about Pastor Robert Henderson. | ||
| He fancies himself an apostle. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| That's a bad start. | ||
| And he also claimed responsibility for Ruth Bader Ginsburg's death. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Interesting start for a pastor. | ||
| So here's what he said. | ||
| I control life and death! | ||
| I am your new pastor! | ||
| Here's what he said. | ||
| Quote, we were in the meeting on Monday night in D.C. and I told them, I said, look, we need to go to the courts of heaven right now while we're on site in D.C. and we need to shut the mouth of a lion judicially. | ||
| We need to ask for a judgment against the lion that has actually been devouring and intends to devour from the Supreme Court. | ||
| We need to get a judgment against this lion that Paul said God shut the mouth of. | ||
| So I led us into that place. | ||
| Well, guess what? | ||
| Ruth Bader Ginsburg has passed away. | ||
| President Trump will establish a new Supreme Court justice. | ||
| That's no accident. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, I mean... | ||
| I guess, arrest him? | ||
| He's a murderer. | ||
| He's claimed through prayer he put a hit on... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm gonna go with that is a confession, and I think he should be arrested. | ||
| If he believes that he murdered Ruth Bader Ginsburg, he should be punished accordingly. | ||
| He later walked that back a little bit and was like, look, I'm just saying, I was praying. | ||
| I imagine so. | ||
| So anyway, I heard this... | ||
| Okay, I'll just put all my cards on the table. | ||
| The episode is... | ||
| Titled, like, Speaking in Tongues. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Now we're in my wheelhouse, buddy. | ||
| I was pretty excited about, like, okay, what's Jim Baker gonna talk to this guy about speaking in tongues? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| It does not end up being mostly about that. | ||
| Disappointing. | ||
| He has a new book that's about speaking in tongues. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But the content of this episode is way more interesting than that. | ||
| But, you know, every episode of Jim Baker's show starts with a little bit of lighthearted discussion with the family. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because his wife, Lori, is his co-host. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Tammy Sue Baker sings the theme song and brings people in. | ||
| They're really all insane. | ||
| They're in their own compound doing a fake TV show for fake people in a fake situation for money for no reason. | ||
| It's bananas. | ||
| When I was watching this, I will not say that I didn't think it's possible this is satire. | ||
| It's so over the top. | ||
| And Robert Henderson, this guy, this preacher who's the guest, he has to stop himself from laughing a couple times. | ||
| Get the fuck out! | ||
| No, that's not fair. | ||
| There's a couple times and it's clear that he almost breaks. | ||
| You can't be Jimmy Fallon and a fucking con man at the same time. | ||
| That's not how it works. | ||
| It's pretty wild. | ||
| So, at the beginning, they talk a little bit about, you know, family stuff. | ||
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Sure, sure. | |
| And, you know, we've got some birthdays coming up. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And Laurie makes an interesting point. | ||
| Let's hear it. | ||
| Laurie's having a birthday this next year. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| My baby daughter is over 50 years old now. | ||
| She told me the other day and I just don't accept it. | ||
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I don't accept it either, Jim. | |
| So, like, that's cute. | ||
| That's cute as hell. | ||
| I really like that. | ||
| There's also a point where Lori says that their anniversary is coming up and she's like... | ||
| Can you remember which one it is? | ||
| And he's like, 22? | ||
| She says, 23? | ||
| And he's like, wait, but it's gonna be 23, so I am right. | ||
| And it's kind of like, eh, this is a family. | ||
| I still think they're horrible people. | ||
| But at least it's a presentation of softness. | ||
| Sure! | ||
| Like it's caring? | ||
| Yeah, I imagine it's how people envisioned Queen Victoria back in her day of like this matronly figure, but you know, she killed people. | ||
| I can't accept that my daughter is 50 years old. | ||
| I don't accept it either, Dad. | ||
| That's good family fun. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| Those little kids, aren't they? | ||
| Aren't your babies always the babies? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You just never stop thinking of it as the babies. | ||
| And Lori, you're going to be, how old are you going to be? | ||
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Of course, you always have to tell. | |
| I mean, when you're around Jim Baker, you know you're not supposed to ask a lady how old she is, but it's okay. | ||
| 64. I'm grateful. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| Oh, you can retire in one more year. | ||
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I'm like, I just wish I was turning 65 so I could get my Medicare. | |
| What? | ||
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Why if we haven't had 64, we should just skip over that year and go straight to 65. What is this? | |
| No, I'm so grateful. | ||
| I can't wait another year so I can take advantage of social... | ||
| Programs that I'm philosophically opposed to. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Everything that the Democrats have ever done is the work of Satan! | ||
| Except for in the 1960s, whenever they did pass Medicare and Medicaid, that was a pretty good call. | ||
| I will admit that. | ||
| Social Security in the 1940s, that was a great idea. | ||
| I can't live without that. | ||
| Everything about my political ideology leads me to... | ||
| Definitely want this to go away, but I also would like to skip this year so I can take advantage of the free healthcare that I refuse to accept should be allowed. | ||
| I don't want to pay into this, but I want to skip a year so I can experience socialism. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| I like to vacation in socialism. | ||
| It's so much better there. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So that's fun. | ||
| I'm going to generally not spend too much time on Jim's stuff, because I really do think that this Henderson guy... | ||
| This guy's nuts. | ||
| Not so much. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But I think he's... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I got a lot of theories about him. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But what he's bringing to the table is amazing. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So he has this new book about speaking in tongues. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But in his introduction, Jim brings up his other books. | ||
| That's the series called The Courts of Heaven. | ||
| Get the fuck out. | ||
| Well, we're about to introduce our guest. | ||
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We are. | |
| Pastor Robert Henderson is here with us today. | ||
| Come back with us. | ||
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We love you. | |
| We love your ministry, your teaching. | ||
| One of the most sought-after speakers in America today. | ||
| Can you believe that his books on the courts of heaven have just gone bananas? | ||
| No, that's not a good word to use. | ||
| Just spectacularly, though. | ||
| People love their books. | ||
| They do. | ||
| The Court of Heaven series. | ||
| It's actually a series. | ||
| And I continue to write books on it. | ||
| It's just people have found an answer to unanswered prayer in those books. | ||
| And that's what's caused them to be so successful. | ||
| It's so powerful that it's almost supernaturally the way to believe it. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| It's almost too powerful. | ||
| I do believe that there's a supernatural unction on those books. | ||
| Because when people read them, it's like it's not just letters on a page. | ||
| It's like an importation. | ||
| Do you understand? | ||
| This book is magic. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This book is essentially magic that he's got. | ||
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It's supernatural. | |
| Are you going to come out the gate with this book will heal you because the words are literal magic? | ||
| It has an unction. | ||
| It's got unctuous abilities. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was intrigued. | ||
| I am blown away by the gall of someone to be like, my book is literally magic. | ||
| Yeah, I was pretty blown. | ||
| Pretty taken aback by the opening of this. | ||
| And I was like, I want to know more. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| Well, I mean, if you trace some of his words in silver and you get the name, the true name of the person that you want to curse, then you will, of course, have power over them. | ||
| That isn't in the book. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| This has more to do with the courts of heaven. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I don't want to spoil too much, because learning about this is going to be amazing. | ||
| Man, I'll tell you this. | ||
| If RBG is in the courts of heaven, he's going to be real pissed. | ||
| No, she didn't make the cut. | ||
| One of the things that we always find the most fascinating is... | ||
| The preoccupation among space weirdos and Alex with, like, interstellar contract law. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's really why this episode is special. | ||
| Because when he's talking about the courts of heaven, he's talking about it literally. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| He is not going to try and tell me that when I go to heaven, there is still a court system. | ||
| Well, there is a little bit of a, like, you know that movie Defending Your Life? | ||
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Sure. | |
| There's a little bit of that in there. | ||
| Sure, of course. | ||
| But it's not just after you die. | ||
| It's also while you're alive. | ||
| You can take advantage of the heavenly court system. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Who do I sue? | ||
| The devil. | ||
| I sue the devil. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So I take the devil to court. | ||
| I get a summons. | ||
| I get a subpoena. | ||
| He's got to be served. | ||
| So somebody, a court representative has to go serve the devil. | ||
| Yeah, a process server angel. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And then a demon shows up in a suit and tie that's the lawyer for the devil. | ||
| I'm going to go with the guy from The Wire, naturally. | ||
| And then you argue your case. | ||
| And then what happens? | ||
| Do you get... | ||
| Restitution? | ||
| What if you lose? | ||
|
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See, these are the questions that I'm glad you have. | |
| And only one man can explain to you. | ||
| But in due time. | ||
| No! | ||
| I understand. | ||
| So many questions. | ||
| I understand this excitement. | ||
| This is what happens when I turn heel. | ||
| So, he's got a book he's working on that has to do with the court system. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| There's some really interesting dynamics at play. | ||
| Telling you there's going to be another one? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| There's going to be one coming out with me and my son real quickly. | ||
|
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Oh, that's awesome. | |
| It's called Imparting... | ||
| Generational blessings from the court of heaven. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because lots of times we talk about the court of heaven and undoing all that the devil's doing, but there are legal things that are hanging in the spirit world that we can grab hold of and they can be generational blessings imparted in our family life. | ||
| Would you release that book on our show? | ||
| Oh, I would love to. | ||
| Please come in here. | ||
|
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Absolutely. | |
| Because you have a brand new book out, The Gifts of Tongues, and boy, is it a good book. | ||
| So you can kind of get the idea of why this guy can't keep a straight face. | ||
| This stuff is ridiculous. | ||
| That is hilariously serious. | ||
| There are legal things you can do in the spirit world. | ||
| Do you want to avoid the generational death tax in the spirit court? | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| Obviously, I don't want to have to pay taxes on the money that I want to leave behind. | ||
| Or the blessings. | ||
| Well, absolutely. | ||
| You don't want God taking one-sixth of your blessings? | ||
| I can't. | ||
| Here's the number one problem I have. | ||
| I swear to you. | ||
| If I was a religious person, that would infuriate me so much more than anything else. | ||
| Just because if you are expecting me to live through this shit, to get to heaven, and you're telling me that when I get to heaven, it's this shit? | ||
| I'm gonna be furious! | ||
| You have to calm down. | ||
| Because, again, it's not about, like, when you die. | ||
| I understand how that judgment and court thing, it really seems like it's when you die. | ||
| That's probably part of it. | ||
| But it's more important that it's happening now. | ||
| It's like every day. | ||
| Alright, every day. | ||
| The courts are open 24-7, 365. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| And you can go to them. | ||
| Get a mediator. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Gotcha. | ||
| Deal with the devil for all the wrongs he's done. | ||
| Naturally, naturally. | ||
| Take him to court for suing in that fiddle contest. | ||
| He cheated! | ||
| For cheating. | ||
| He cheated! | ||
| That was a golden fiddle! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we recently learned that Alex has had COVID multiple times. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And his entire staff got COVID. | ||
| Yeah, because he's a moron. | ||
| And so it seems like Jim's had some troubles on that front, too. | ||
| The Holy Spirit's quickening me to pray for our son Ricky. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And he's been down a little bit. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| In bed. | ||
| Physically ill. | ||
|
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Yeah, he had COVID. | |
| I already told everybody on TV. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
|
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I already said it. | |
| He had COVID. | ||
| If you think I'd tell everything, she would tell everything. | ||
|
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Oh, I can tell you so much more. | |
| And his whole platoon. | ||
| I mean, and he had it bad. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Yeah, so apparently Lori brought this up in a previous episode and Jim didn't realize it. | ||
| So he was going to just say he was sick, but then the game was busted. | ||
| Jim's out here being like, you realize we're not... | ||
| Doing that. | ||
| We're not saying it. | ||
| I was hoping to pretend doing something else. | ||
| I'm going to have to take you to a court. | ||
| One of the things that I noticed, too, is that Lori's really coming into her own. | ||
| I don't know if it's the time since. | ||
| Like, you know, Jim had a stroke and she had to host a bit more. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| She had to step up. | ||
| I think that she has a lot more personality than when I was watching the show before. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| She's gotten some chops out of this. | ||
| I think a little bit of confidence. | ||
| To be able to have her own identity more. | ||
| Yeah, it's like on a Kitchen Nightmares episode. | ||
| You know, the old boss has got to step aside and let the young blood take over. | ||
| Otherwise, it's just going to go out of business. | ||
| I still don't think she's great. | ||
| And she also insists on referring to Jim as Jim Baker all the time. | ||
| Using full names. | ||
| Which is really weird. | ||
| It's clearly a conversation they've had off air. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can call me Jim Baker. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| So, Robert Henderson recently spoke at this conference called the Pentecostal Fire Conference, which is about getting the spirit together. | ||
| It's a revival. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's a revival. | ||
| Now, there's a reason that they had him come, and he had to open the entire conference. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Yeah, for a very specific reason. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| A lot of what was there was these young revivalists. | ||
| You know, there's a lot of young revivalists that are rising up across this nation. | ||
| And I mean, revival services are breaking out in tremendous ways. | ||
| But the whole issue was to... | ||
| Grab a hold of Pentecostal fire so that we could see a revival come to the nation of America. | ||
| And so what I did, my part, what I did was they wanted me to open the conference and present us that we might step into the courts of heaven so that everything that was done in that conference could speak in the courts of heaven and that God, on the basis of that testimony, could render a judgment that would let His glory come to the earth. | ||
| Yeah, you had to open it because... | ||
| Because they needed things to be on the record in the court of heaven. | ||
| And so, like, you need an official, like, a barrister, a lawyer. | ||
| You know, I like that we've moved... | ||
| You know, when I was growing up, there was that paradoxical question of, like, could God, who can do everything, create a mountain that he can't move? | ||
| I'm glad we've moved on beyond that to just, like... | ||
| Look, if you don't open the court, God can't hear you. | ||
| Duh! | ||
| Or he can choose to hear you or not. | ||
| God has a lot of weird rules that also happen to be ones that maybe I created for fun. | ||
| This thought is coming too late because we're in the middle of recording this episode, but I really should have called the opening arguments guys and tried to get their take on this. | ||
| What are your deals in the courts of heaven? | ||
| Do you have any understanding of heavenly law? | ||
| What are the legal ramifications in the courts of heaven? | ||
| What's the statute of limitations? | ||
| If it's eternal, how long do I got? | ||
| So Jim wants a little bit of an explainer on the courts, which is great because we all need that. | ||
| I think we all need that. | ||
| And apparently, I'm going to do a lot more looking into this guy because this seems like a tip of an iceberg on this Henderson character. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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But there's new listeners. | |
| Give a little background. | ||
| Can you explain how we... | ||
| I need to be able to enter the courts of heaven again. | ||
| We never get tired of hearing that. | ||
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And we have a lot of new viewers. | |
| Maybe they've never heard about the courts of heaven that we're talking about. | ||
| Well, you know, I just keep getting... | ||
| I have my own show on your network. | ||
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You'd think they would because they would be in the Bible if they were part of the... | |
| You would hear it. | ||
| You would hear it. | ||
| It would be in the Bible. | ||
| Every week, you know, I teach a little bitty piece of the court of heaven. | ||
| He has a show on Jim's network that... | ||
| It's just all about the Court of Heaven. | ||
| All about the Court of Heaven. | ||
| You go and you watch that show and you're gonna get a law degree in the Court of Heaven. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Not a joke. | ||
| Honest to God pitch. | ||
| Night Court of Heaven. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| I was like, how can we improve this? | ||
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You can't. | |
| You can't. | ||
| It's perfect. | ||
| I would like a giant bailiff to take care of me, yes. | ||
|
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Bull. | |
| Bull! | ||
| Come on, baby. | ||
| I think that there is a very good chance I will be watching the shit out of this show. | ||
| Because I find if it's anything like it seems like it would be, this sounds amazing. | ||
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Teach a little bitty part about the court of heaven. | |
| Yeah, we gotta talk a little bit about tariffs. | ||
| Just a lovely, lovely little teaser for every day. | ||
| What's your daily Court of Heaven knowledge? | ||
| So there's a little bit of that. | ||
| A little bit of education about the Court of Heaven. | ||
| And then he talks about also testimonials. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Things that people have written into him about. | ||
| Christians love that shit. | ||
| And it turns out a lot of people have experience in the courts. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| People are amazed that there's that many testimonies that come out of the court. | ||
| In fact, I just got a testimony this morning from someone in England who was in a coma or in whatever state they were in with COVID. | ||
| And while they were with COVID, they were in the Court of Heaven. | ||
| They knew nothing about the Court of Heaven. | ||
| They were in the Court of Heaven, and the enemy had a case against them. | ||
| And they began, while they were in the Court of Heaven, while they were in this state, to answer that case. | ||
| They got completely well. | ||
| When they got back and started sharing their testimony, someone said, have you heard of Robert Henderson and the teaching on the Court of Heaven? | ||
| They said no. | ||
| And they said, they emailed us and they said, everything you say is real. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Everything you say. | ||
| I was there. | ||
| I got healed from COVID out of the court of heaven. | ||
| Everything you're telling people is real. | ||
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Amen. | |
| Wow. | ||
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Wow. | |
| What a giant pile of bullshit. | ||
| What a spectacular pile of garbage. | ||
| Oh man, this person from the United Kingdom beat a COVID case. | ||
| The enemy has a case against you. | ||
| A COVID case. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, my God. | ||
| The mind reels. | ||
| Oh, did you hear the devil? | ||
| Hey, you hear about Robert Henderson? | ||
| What about him? | ||
| Well, he's going to take care of you in the courts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's going to bring a case against you. | ||
| There is no implication or insinuation that you need a lawyer. | ||
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Right. | |
| You can represent yourself. | ||
| I would assume that God would provide a lawyer for you. | ||
| No, it seems like God's on the bench. | ||
| God's the judge. | ||
| I mean, but yeah, so God is also the lawyers, and God is also Satan, and God is the court, and God is heaven. | ||
| He's the lawyer, the bailiff, and the judge. | ||
| The whole thing! | ||
| It's what he is! | ||
| What is God? | ||
| Why is there a court? | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| I regret that you lost your shit so much at that last clip, because that wasn't the one that I thought was going to be... | ||
| Oh, it's going to get bad? | ||
| This next clip was where I was like, definite Mike down for this. | ||
| I like a clip that turns into a mic down clip because I have to put the mic down. | ||
| Yeah, sometimes they're unexpected a little bit, but this one, holy shit. | ||
| So Jim plays a trailer for Anderson's show. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| This seems absolutely like it's a joke. | ||
| I have almost no ability to believe this is serious. | ||
| This is a trailer from his show, so let's roll that and then we'll talk about it. | ||
| But we have a right to stand and put the divine restraining orders, God's restraining orders, into place in behalf of us and our family. | ||
| But I want you to notice what this widow said. | ||
| When she came before the judge, she literally said, get justice for me. | ||
| She said, get justice for me. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| From my adversary. | ||
| So she was saying, I... | ||
| I want the devil judged. | ||
| I don't want to just be free from judgment. | ||
| I want the devil judged and I want back what he stole from me. | ||
| God did not only vindicate Job, he gave him punitive damages. | ||
| Did he just do that? | ||
| That sounded exactly like a lawyer commercial on... | ||
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Oh yes it did. | |
| That is exactly what that sounded like. | ||
| It sounded like some late night... | ||
| Have you been injured by... | ||
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Yes! | |
| Call 1-88-INJURED for heavenly justice. | ||
| Have you been injured by the devil? | ||
| You're not the only one. | ||
| Join the class action lawsuit. | ||
| I've got G-Zothelioma! | ||
| I... | ||
| I... | ||
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I cannot believe this is real. | |
| Punitive damages? | ||
| You get punitive damages. | ||
| Like Job. | ||
| What does that count for? | ||
| What does that count for? | ||
| I get that Job got twice as many sons as he had before, but all of his sons still died. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| He doesn't get those old sons back. | ||
| Look, the court can't do anything about that. | ||
| Why not? | ||
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You're gone! | |
| Those new kids are good. | ||
| They're good enough. | ||
| But I like the idea that there's punitive damages and that that is what happened in the story of Job. | ||
| Yeah, that's the lesson that you should have taken from Job. | ||
| What I learned from Job was not... | ||
| Don't question God. | ||
| He'll just fuck with you for no reason. | ||
| Who are you to say shit? | ||
| What I learned was that you gotta take the devil to devil court because that's the only place you can get justice for the devil. | ||
| Yeah, and then you get punitive damages. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| This is so weird. | ||
| I think it probably goes without saying, but at one point in this, he does say he's not a big research guy. | ||
| He's not big into researching the Bible. | ||
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Or the Bible. | |
| Kind of just feeling it out. | ||
| He's just kind of got a vibe from the Bible. | ||
| But I can't believe... | ||
| Like, I've watched some really ridiculous stuff on Jim Baker's show. | ||
| Like, I've seen some swings for the fences. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fucking Mike Lindell's been on. | ||
| Oh, hell yeah. | ||
| Sidney Powell's been on. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| There's some stuff... | ||
| Luminaries of the Christian world. | ||
| There's stuff that's outrageous. | ||
| We've talked about... | ||
| What's her name? | ||
| Paula White Kane. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| She's batshit evil. | ||
| Even, like, a lot of these prosperity gospel people. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They... | ||
| Pale in comparison to the guy who's pitching Heaven Court. | ||
| I just... | ||
| I'm blown away. | ||
| I'm blown away. | ||
| I mean, that's just... | ||
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People are so interested to learn about Heaven Court. | |
| Of course they are, because it's not mentioned anywhere in the Bible. | ||
| Well, it is. | ||
| And it's not really discussed or anything, and honestly, that sounds crazy. | ||
| Well, I should tell you that in this next clip, Henderson does give a scriptural basis. | ||
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Okay. | |
| For his beliefs. | ||
| His beliefs in the night court. | ||
| And then also, he explains how it works. | ||
| And if you don't quite pick up on what he's saying, I'll explain it on the other end of the clip. | ||
| Daniel 7.10. | ||
| For anybody that's kind of unfamiliar, one of the best, maybe the best scripture on the court where it says that Daniel's seeing all of this activity in the unseen realm. | ||
| And then it says, and the court was seated and the books were opened. | ||
| So what that means is that the books, that means that's the place that cases come out of. | ||
| For instance, let me just use the ministry here. | ||
| Your ministry has a book in heaven. | ||
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Okay. | |
| It's written because you didn't just dream this ministry up. | ||
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No. | |
| This ministry originated in heaven before time began. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's what it says in Psalms 139, 16, that before time began, anything that has a kingdom purpose, it was written in heaven before time began. | ||
| So what happens is that God comes and he begins to reveal what this ministry is supposed to be, what it's supposed to do. | ||
| You take that prophetic awareness and you present it in the courts. | ||
| You say, God, let... | ||
| What you said about this ministry come to pass. | ||
| And then, anything that dares to touch that, just like this onslaught you went through, anything that dares to touch that, you bring that and you say, God, this is not about me. | ||
| This is about your purposes. | ||
| This is about your will through this ministry. | ||
| I'm asking that what you wrote in the book, it would come to pass. | ||
| Everything that's supposed to happen would come to pass. | ||
| And anything that dares to touch this thing, I'm asking that judgment would come to pass. | ||
| I'm asking that you would judge that out of heaven right now from the courts of heaven, and you're asking for a legal judgment against anything that would dare touch the purposes of God. | ||
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Amen. | |
| It's happening. | ||
| It's happening. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| You took off your glasses. | ||
| You seem a little bit in a mood, counselor. | ||
| Mr. Henderson, I would just like to point out that court... | ||
| It has multiple definitions. | ||
| Oh, yeah, it does. | ||
| So, one court could simply be the king's court. | ||
| Or another word for retinue, a group of people who surround the king and provide assistance. | ||
| And even beyond that, you know, when you get into biblical translation, there's a lot of issues where words mean multiple things, and like the Aramaic that it comes from in the book of Daniel is a little bit questionable, could just mean judgment. | ||
| Yeah, and it's unsurprising that the King James Version would include the word court, considering the circumstances around which it was written. | ||
| Sure, sure, it's dubious. | ||
| at best. | ||
| And if he was more of a study guy, I imagine he could have gotten to the bottom of this. | ||
| I would recommend a research guy to help him. | ||
| Maybe a research It'd be helpful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So here's how it works. | ||
| As he explains, there's these books in heaven that are predetermined everything that's going to happen. | ||
| No, you can't include that part because if you include the part where it's predetermined, then the rest of it means nothing. | ||
| Everything is predestined in these books. | ||
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Right. | |
| So everything that you're going to do that is meaningful to heaven is in these books. | ||
| Like Jim Baker having his... | ||
| TV station and weird compound. | ||
| That's in that book. | ||
| And it has been since the beginning of time. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So before now... | ||
| Okay, sorry. | ||
| I guess him going to prison was also part of that. | ||
| Yes, it was. | ||
| That's in that book, right? | ||
| And so when Jim Baker gets a silly idea about what he wants to do, like... | ||
| Add another layer to the compound. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Or whatever. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Build up. | ||
| Put in an ice cream parlor. | ||
| Well, you gotta ask for God's permission before that. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| But he gets these ideas, and then that is experienced as prophecy. | ||
| So he gets these prophetic visions of what he's gonna do with his compound. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| And it's all been predestined in the book. | ||
| What he's actually getting is a glimpse at that book. | ||
| So if anything stands in the way of him putting up that ice cream shop at Morningside... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Then he's got to take it to court. | ||
| He's got to take that shit to court, and he's got to get a judgment. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, and I'm going to throw this out here for you. | ||
| I'm just going to toss this one wide out. | ||
| I'm just going to break this whole case wide open. | ||
| Watch yourself, counselor. | ||
| If it's predetermined, then it doesn't matter if someone tries to get in the way. | ||
| That is also predetermined. | ||
| All of this is predetermined if it's so predetermined. | ||
| It can't not happen. | ||
| Otherwise, you're saying that your god has no actual power unless you take him to court! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of loose threads. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I wonder if you could get a sidebar in the court of heaven. | ||
| I mean, I would hope so. | ||
| I would hope to take God to the side and be like, you realize this guy is insane, sir. | ||
| This is madness. | ||
| You should injunction him. | ||
| So let's say that something is like you have a plan that you've decided is prophetic and something comes up against it, right? | ||
| You've got to go take it to heaven court. | ||
| Then if it doesn't matter, because if it's not a prophecy, it won't happen. | ||
| You're getting hung up on that. | ||
| I'm getting really hung up on the thing that means something. | ||
| You have to let it go. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Because if you take these things to court that are getting in you, the way... | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| You can get damages. | ||
| Once you get a judgment from the Lord, then you ask for restoration, just like Job. | ||
| Lord, we want double back everything. | ||
| Not only what was lost, but we want punitive damages. | ||
| The punitive damages pays you for your pain and suffering. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's what happened to Job. | ||
| He got doubled back everything he lost because the whole book of Job is a court case. | ||
| Even Job recognized that. | ||
| This is just amazing. | ||
| This is an outrageous scam. | ||
| I do think it's fun, though. | ||
| It's so bizarre. | ||
| And I don't know if Jim Baker really does have a large enough audience that this is dangerous as a belief. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| You know, at least before the internet, you used to have to sell snake oil. | ||
| There had to be some oil. | ||
| This is literally a guy just going like, hey man, if you buy my books and take your evil people to court, then you'll get snake oil. | ||
| It's really the Steve Pachanek of televangelist swings. | ||
| Yeah, it's a big one. | ||
| It's a big swing. | ||
| It's a big swing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Jim recently had a prophetic dream. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| North Koreans brought ballots over to Maine. | ||
| Lower stakes. | ||
| Lower stakes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He's thinking about putting some parking in. | ||
| No, this is not real! | ||
| This is not real! | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| I mean, he just showed me every detail of it. | ||
| Sidewalks. | ||
| Walkways around. | ||
| All the things that he wanted here. | ||
| Things that you wouldn't even think about. | ||
| The new studios. | ||
| I'm going to go ahead and announce something. | ||
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None of the rest of us know about it. | |
| Only me and God know about it so far. | ||
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He has to talk to us about it. | |
| Of this great mountain that's right where the studio is going to sit in the center. | ||
| All the way on the edge, you showed me how to level this thing out, put two stories of parking underneath, out of the weather, for the people that live here and the people that visit here. | ||
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Right. | |
| Be out of the weather. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| I didn't mean to go into my building, but I saw it last night. | ||
| And I said, God, where am I going to get the money? | ||
| You got the money, honey? | ||
| I got the time. | ||
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Wild. | |
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| But see, that dream. | ||
| But you said it. | ||
| Right now, this is a piece of my puzzle. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That dream is a prophetic awareness of what God intends to do. | ||
| So you take that word into the courts. | ||
| And you say anything that would dare stand in the way of this. | ||
| We're asking for a judgment against that thing so that what God wants to be done can be done. | ||
| If we had just do what we lost in this debacle, as I'm going to call it, we could do what we just said. | ||
| Yeah, so this dream of a parking lot is a prophetic glimpse at what's in that book that's in the courts of heaven. | ||
| So anything that would stand in the way of Jim making this parking lot, he's gotta get a judgment against it. | ||
| He's gonna have to get an injunction from the court. | ||
| Does the heavenly court deal with zoning? | ||
| Look, what if somebody is like, hey, this could be an indigenous burial ground. | ||
| You can't just let them get away with looking for the crimes of the past. | ||
| You gotta go to court. | ||
| With heaven, and then he'll give you twice as many indigenous people as were in the graves. | ||
| Is that how that works? | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Is there a small claims heaven court? | ||
| I mean, this is first grade cult leadership right here. | ||
| You can't even just say, I think we want a parking lot. | ||
| It has to be a prophecy. | ||
| You can't even just be like, hey, I think people could appreciate a parking lot. | ||
| We don't have enough parking here. | ||
| People get rained on all the time. | ||
| They're in the Ozarks. | ||
| There is winter issues with parking. | ||
| Inside parking would be advantageous. | ||
| Why do we gotta bring the courts into this? | ||
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No. | |
| Because it's prophesied. | ||
| You're not gonna be able to handle this next clip. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| I dreamt of a parking lot. | ||
| Well, my yes and to that is, that's a fucking prophecy from God. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, mic down for this one too. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Man, I don't know what kind of a deal this Henderson character has with having his show on the network and Jim selling his books and what have you, but if he ever needed to claim that he made his money, right here is where he earns his money. | ||
| May I say one more thing about your givers, your partners? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| When they partner with you by giving their finance, they become a part of your breakthrough. | ||
| What I mean by that is there is a connection made in the spirit that allows them to claim for themselves the same blessing that comes up on Jim Baker, PTL Network, all these kind of things. | ||
| Because finances make connections in the spirit world. | ||
| And so whenever we take our finances and we show them, we are connecting to something that we literally have a legal right to claim drawing rights from. | ||
| You're not even fucking trying! | ||
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You know, with that $1,000, I just want to say this is our SOS. | |
| We have to put it out there for you. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| It's just... | ||
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Oh my God! | |
| Oh, baby. | ||
| If you give him money. | ||
| Indulgences are back, baby! | ||
|
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If you give Jim Baker money, then you have special drawing rights on the blessings. | |
| You get a little blessing. | ||
| You get a little peace. | ||
| You get a little of that taste. | ||
| It's trickle-down faithonomics, Dan. | ||
| It's not just that. | ||
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It's a legal right that you have on these blessings. | |
| Can I take Jim Baker to heaven's court? | ||
| I'm gonna need to. | ||
| What if, like, Jim Baker is doing bad things? | ||
| Then giving him money would actually be a detriment to you, right? | ||
| Yeah, you would be liable for damages. | ||
| I have some things about Jim Baker and his life that are pretty bad. | ||
|
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Uh-oh. | |
| Uh-oh. | ||
| This could be trouble. | ||
| So yeah, but if you donate... | ||
| So if you donate to Jim Baker, you're running a deficit on karma or whatever. | ||
| Yes, you're throwing money in a pit. | ||
| Literally and spiritually. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But it turns out if you give $1,000 to this fundraising campaign of his, you get a very special gift. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| You get a special gift. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
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With that $1,000, just don't quit SOS offer, we have Joan Hunters, which we love this, the miracle blanket. | |
| We absolutely love this. | ||
| So you get a miracle blanket. | ||
| Do you want to know what the miracle blanket is? | ||
| I was just speechless. | ||
| You don't want to know what the miracle blanket is? | ||
| Yeah, let's hear it. | ||
| It's just a blanket that says miracles happen. | ||
|
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No! | |
| No! | ||
| Nope, for a thousand dollars, you get a blanket of the system? | ||
| Well, there's a couple of other things, like a book and a CD. | ||
| Sure, but yeah. | ||
| Nobody reads, and what is a CD? | ||
| Well, apparently the CD is this preacher friend of theirs speaking the word over very relaxing music. | ||
| I actually do think I might listen to it. | ||
| But yeah, so this miracle blanket, this friend of theirs, this other preacher, prays over all of them. | ||
| My God, don't do this. | ||
| They have a couple of pictures that... | ||
| No! | ||
| Oh my god, like a weird Christmas carol situation! | ||
| But it's a very staged photo. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| It looks awesome. | ||
| I am just... | ||
| You know, it's almost like it's so brazen. | ||
| You're more likely to be like, there's no way they could get away with that if it's not true. | ||
| That's insane to think that somebody would be like, finances equals heaven. | ||
| Like, that's bananas. | ||
| Trying to imagine the dark moments of curiosity or doubt are really difficult. | ||
| If you don't imagine that they know they're fucking around, and they know that this is a scam, if they think it's sincere, I just don't understand how you would ever get out of a moment of crisis where you're like, what if this doesn't make sense? | ||
| No. | ||
| No way. | ||
| No way. | ||
| It's so silly that it has to be all like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The house of cards is such that anything, even the slightest whiff of doubt, would knock the whole thing down immediately. | ||
| So it has to be perfect. | ||
| Or nothing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that anybody, any right-thinking person, checking out that trailer for the dude's show, if you're trying to put out a trailer for this guy's show, you'd be like, guys, this looks ridiculous. | ||
| This is Better Call Saul. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This looks like a parody of what we're doing. | ||
| We need to take another pass at this. | ||
| Let's try and make it look serious. | ||
| Let's try and give it a little bit of gravitas. | ||
| Let's give an edge to it. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| You know, I do appreciate that it does seem like the Scientology scam Took all the lessons from the early revivalist preachers, the Marjos and the like, that whole thing. | ||
| And then they were like, what if we made it even more brazen and just asked for money and blackmailed people? | ||
| And then Jim Baker's like, well, Scientology's got a great scam going, but what if we just go even crazier, don't even bother blackmailing people, and just tell them the weirdest shit? | ||
| Let's just freak people out and then... | ||
| You don't need to pay to get these secrets. | ||
| These secrets are so crazy, we can't not give them to you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm in court. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, it turns out it's, you know, end times. | ||
| Oh boy, it's been end times with the Baker family for quite some time now. | ||
| You're not wrong. | ||
| I believe it's been since the 80s. | ||
| Maybe even before. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's end times, and Lori would like to remind us that, you know, like, hey, shit's bad. | ||
| There's a lot of people falling away. | ||
| But it's also harvest time. | ||
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You know, we have to always remember that. | |
| This is harvest time. | ||
| Yes, there's going to be a great falling away, the Word says, but it's the harvest time right now. | ||
| The meeting I was just in on Pentecostal fire, this is what one of the young evangelists said. | ||
| People are getting saved because COVID is making them know they're not immortal. | ||
| And they're realizing we're going to die. | ||
| Maybe not now, but at some point we're going to die, and it is causing people to look at their eternity. | ||
| That's depressing. | ||
| That's bananas. | ||
| I shouldn't use that word. | ||
| No. | ||
| That really, I mean, a lot of this is really funny. | ||
| That's not. | ||
| Really sad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the danger, though, of religion. | ||
| You can laugh at how stupid all of it is, but then you get into that. | ||
| This isn't religion. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| I understand this isn't religion. | ||
| Anybody who has, I don't know, a relationship with a deity or has some kind of a belief in a divine, that is not something that should be impugned necessarily or just outright thought of as wrong or stupid. | ||
| This is stupid. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is not religion. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I would say that any kind of connection you have with eternity is fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But when you start making up dumb rules for it, that's when we start talking about religion that I think is incredibly insane. | ||
| And dangerous. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Like having this perspective towards COVID. | ||
| And, you know. | ||
| Not for nothing. | ||
| Or a perspective towards infidels, if you like. | ||
| But not for nothing. | ||
| Stay on COVID for a second. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The courts can help you with that. | ||
| Did you know that? | ||
| Don't. | ||
| Don't do anything. | ||
| You said there's a way to receive divine protection from the courts of heaven. | ||
| What must we do? | ||
| Well, I believe Job is a picture before he went through what he went through, there was a hedge around him. | ||
| And that means literally a protective, restraining order, if you will. | ||
| It's not some kind of flowery thing that the devil can't penetrate. | ||
| It's a legal rendering that says, you can't go past that. | ||
| You can't touch him. | ||
| He's mine. | ||
| And whenever that was set in place, three things happened. | ||
| No harm could come to Job in his house. | ||
| Accumulation of wealth. | ||
| And great influence. | ||
| Because the enemy had no power to devour that. | ||
| Because he couldn't touch him because he was behind the restraining order of God. | ||
| Amen. | ||
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It's awesome. | |
| That is awesome. | ||
| So I guess what you need to do to protect yourself from COVID is go to heaven court and somehow prove that it's predestined that you're not supposed to get COVID. | ||
| And then get a restraining order from viruses. | ||
| You know, I would recommend that Pastor Henderson read a wonderful play by Scotsman Archibald McLeish called JB, in which he much better explains the point of the book of Job and how to go about interpreting it from an existentialist point of view. | ||
| All right. | ||
| It's quite good. | ||
| I'm sure he's going to put that on his reading list. | ||
| I will tell you what the point of Job wasn't. | ||
| That there is a court system that both God and the devil abide by as though there were a higher power. | ||
| It would seem to imply that, wouldn't it? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It would imply that there is a level of power that both God and Satan bow to. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Because it's a legally binding document. | |
| It's just amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I didn't expect this. | ||
| I mean, like, I just wanted to hear about speaking in tongues. | ||
| Yeah, that would have been great. | ||
| Instead, I learned about a bizarre judicial system that exists. | ||
| So, he's on two days. | ||
| Robert Henderson's on two days. | ||
| And so the first day is mostly getting off track into the courts of heaven. | ||
| And I feel edified that I have learned about it. | ||
| I've learned some things. | ||
| Some things. | ||
| They have been learned. | ||
| So I wanted to still learn about the... | ||
| Speaking in tongues, though. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I find that to be something that I'd love to see demonstrated. | ||
| Oh, speaking in tongues is a great scam. | ||
| It's one of the best. | ||
| I would have loved to, spoiler alert, they don't end up doing any speaking in tongues, but I thought it might be fun if this guest started doing it. | ||
| Well, you can't do it on command, otherwise people will know you're faking it. | ||
| I think this guy can do it on command. | ||
| Well, you can't do it on command, because otherwise people will know you're faking it. | ||
| You can't do it on command, because in the wrong audience, someone might say you're faking it. | ||
| Somebody might point out this is faking it. | ||
| So there's two things that appear to be speaking in tongues according to this conversation that they have on the second episode. | ||
| And one of them is what we would understand as speaking in tongues. | ||
| Speaking... | ||
| What could appear to be gibberish. | ||
| The angel's language, and then it is given to someone else within the congregation to interpret it and spread their words to the people. | ||
| Well, there's that, and then there's also, like, you end up speaking sometimes in known languages, like you could end up speaking just some other foreign language that you don't know. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And so that's one end of it. | ||
| But there's another end of it, and it's what this Henderson fella describes, kind of like... | ||
| It's like praying in tongues. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I actually found this incredibly fascinating, because what he's describing is essentially just having a mantra. | ||
| He's just talking about meditation with a mantra. | ||
| So here's him a little bit on the subject. | ||
| The truth is, if I didn't have the gift of tongues, I wouldn't have a prayer life, for me personally. | ||
| Because, and I would just ask even your audience, have you ever... | ||
| Try to spend any amount of time praying at all. | ||
| It's one of the hardest things you'll ever do. | ||
| I remember back when Larry Lee was so popular and teaching us to pray for an hour. | ||
| I was like, I started in trying to pray for an hour and I thought it's got to have been 30 minutes. | ||
| It'd been like three minutes. | ||
| It was like one of the hardest things. | ||
| But because I was filled with the Spirit and I could speak in tongues, when I didn't know what to pray, because that's actually what it says, I could begin to pray in the Spirit. | ||
| And then out of my prayer in the Spirit, understanding would begin to unlock, and I could pray in English, and I'd pray in the Spirit some more. | ||
| All I can hear is the description of the challenges of meditation. | ||
| Because it is kind of boring if you're not used to it to sit. | ||
| In quietness for a long period of time. | ||
| But one of the things that is advantageous about having a mantra is that they are words that don't necessarily mean anything in your primary language. | ||
| A sentence that has a meaning to you, if you think that... | ||
| Then your brain will actively be thinking that. | ||
| Whereas if you think or chant or repeat something that doesn't have an intrinsic meaning to you, you have a better ability to let your mind settle and let your thoughts roll as opposed to grabbing onto the thoughts as they happen. | ||
| This is something that's pretty basic meditation. | ||
| I wonder if they could get David Lynch on. | ||
| TM? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's very similar. | ||
| It sounds a lot like transcendental meditation. | ||
| It's basically the same thing. | ||
| Yeah, it's exactly the same thing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, I mean, hey, you put enough New Agey bullshit in there, maybe they'll get a little something out of it and they'll give you some money. | ||
| But no, it's praying in tongues is what it is. | ||
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Yeah, exactly. | |
| Yeah, just put it in there. | ||
| So anyway, much like meditation, whenever Henderson needs a little bit of clarity, he goes and he prays in tongues. | ||
| It's just meditation. | ||
| And so if I'm feeling discouraged, I'm feeling overwhelmed, I can start praying in the Spirit. | ||
| And what happens to me is all of a sudden it's like the fog clears. | ||
| And a new perspective starts to come. | ||
| And I move from doubt and fear back into faith. | ||
| I mean, that's what happens to me when I pray in the Spirit. | ||
| And I begin to tap that unseen realm. | ||
| Because this is what I believe. | ||
| I believe tongues is an entry point. | ||
| It's the entry point that we go through a gate into the supernatural realms of God. | ||
| See, this is all fun, but if this was a Hindu person saying this, or a Buddhist, they would be like, this is... | ||
| Evil! | ||
| The devil! | ||
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This is heretical! | |
| This is awful! | ||
| I mean, I do, as somebody who has had stretches of time where I've been more active in meditating than currently, certainly not at the moment. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I've experienced some of the benefits that are similar to what he's saying. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| You know, like, that calm state you can get into definitely feels supernatural at times. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, it reminds me of, there's a book called A Pilgrim's Way, or The Pilgrim's Way, if I recall correctly, and the idea behind it is just there's a dude... | ||
| He's like, what does it mean in Thessalonians when God says, pray without ceasing? | ||
| And then he goes on this journey and talks to a bunch of wise men about it, and ultimately he's just like, oh, the prayer should be essentially your heartbeat. | ||
| You know, the way you breathe in and breathe out should have something to do with mindfulness, essentially. | ||
| So, you know, through the whole Christianity mythos, he gets to the same place that Buddhism gets to or that Hinduism gets to with that meditation of controlling and of mindfulness. | ||
| There's something interesting about that. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| Not even a little bit. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Contract law. | ||
| I was looking for examples of Robert Henderson talking about when he spoke in tongues. | ||
| And here's an example of it, and I found this to be uncompelling. | ||
| You can try to explain it to people and all that, but once you experience tongues, it's like... | ||
| Oh, now I understand. | ||
| I will never forget, I was in a prayer meeting, and I was leading the prayer meeting. | ||
| And so I was leading this prayer meeting, and we were all praying, and there was a guy from Haiti that happened to be in the prayer meeting. | ||
| And so as I was praying and doing, when we got through after about an hour, he walks up to me and he says, Do you know French? | ||
| Because they speak French in Haiti. | ||
| And I said, No, I can barely speak English. | ||
| And he said, well, he said, every time you would finish praying in the Spirit, you would say, Shittim. | ||
| He said, do you know what je t 'aime is? | ||
| He said, it's French for I love you. | ||
| He said, you were telling God in French, the French language, I love you, every time you would finish whatever else you were saying. | ||
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Yeah, that's so amazing. | |
| You know, I've heard that story so many times. | ||
| I've heard that one story. | ||
| Or similar stories. | ||
| I have a couple thoughts. | ||
| First, je t 'aime is not really exactly how I would say je t 'aime. | ||
| I think the pronunciation's a little bit off. | ||
| It also is a sound that you might just make like, you know, like it sounds like something you might do. | ||
| It also sounds like maybe if you were screaming about how Satan is evil, then somebody might hear you end a sentence with Satan their own way. | ||
| And also, as somebody who took French in high school, like, je t 'aime is more like, I like you. | ||
| J 'adore is closer to I love you. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't find this compelling. | ||
| I think that if you were just bebopping and scatting a little bit... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You might come up with... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, no. | ||
| There's no doubt if you've ever been to those religious experience kind of places. | ||
| I've been into a god camps where I've felt the Holy Ghost and stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's the same thing that happens with any large crowd is you start to feel the energy. | ||
| You get the same thing at a fucking music festival. | ||
| You know? | ||
| There's like sort of a collective... | ||
| Yeah, there's an experience. | ||
| So, we get back to praying in tongues here, and we learn that this is how our friend Robert came up with... | ||
| Heaven's court. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So when I'm praying in tongues, I'm praying in tongues. | ||
| I'm not having to think about it because it's just flowing out of my spirit. | ||
| But it lets my mind be free to think about that scripture. | ||
| So I'm praying in tongues and thinking about it. | ||
| And all of a sudden, things just start unlocking. | ||
| And I start seeing revelation from that scripture that can be life-changing. | ||
| And that's what happened with the court of heaven and many other things that the Lord's allowed me the privilege to teach. | ||
| But it has its source in my prayer language. | ||
| So he was just basically meditating and came up with the idea of Heaven's Court and then decided it was a revelation. | ||
| This is what happens when an entire generation grows up with illegal marijuana. | ||
| Because if this guy was just smoking weed and he had this idea, he'd be like... | ||
| That was a hilarious idea, guys. | ||
| This was really great. | ||
| Let's get something to eat and we will never speak of this again. | ||
| What if? | ||
| What if? | ||
| I base a career on it. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Everyone around him is like, don't do that. | ||
| And he would have friends because, you know, he's got weed. | ||
| That'd be great. | ||
| Yeah, but then they'd be wrong because he's, I mean, from everything I can tell, yeah, he's got a scam going. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Pretty good. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| He's got a comfortable scam, but he has to live with... | ||
| The Baker family, right? | ||
| I don't think he lives there. | ||
| He doesn't live at morning. | ||
| Well, he has to live with himself. | ||
| Emotionally, he has to live with the fact that he's hanging out with the Bakers. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So, another thing that's very interesting within this is the universal truth that we always find that any of these fucks... | ||
| It's a movie. | ||
| It's always a movie. | ||
| But when I pray in the Spirit, I used to tell people this. | ||
| I said, to me, praying in the Spirit, and we're all old enough to remember the old Batman series, when Commissioner Gordon would pick up the red phone and he'd go straight to the bat cave. | ||
| I say, praying in the Spirit is like that bat phone. | ||
| It goes straight to God. | ||
| With no interruption. | ||
| I said, it literally is a hotline, a hotline to God. | ||
| It's like the bat phone. | ||
| Also, that seems to imply that other prayers, just normal prayers, are like they go to an answering service. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, if they're not in the court, then they're not in the official docket. | ||
| That's pretty... | ||
| Wild? | ||
| You know, God doesn't always check his inbox first thing in the morning. | ||
| Look, I'm bad with correspondences. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| What, do you think you're better than God? | ||
| No. | ||
| I think God's better than me. | ||
| If God exists, his email inbox is at zero. | ||
| I find this to be a little bit silly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is always funny to me that whenever we really get down to all of these weirdos comparing everything to movies, like... | ||
| If you go back and look at all of the culture that they compare everything to, it was almost 80% and above made by people that they would despise and hate, you know? | ||
| Like, all of their cultural touchstones were made by the very people they are trying to destroy now. | ||
| And they have no way to figure that out. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's the same thing with, like, Lori wishing she was 65 so she could get Medicare. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's the same shit. | ||
| I want to enjoy all the stuff. | ||
| That you guys make, but I don't want to... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, we have one last clip here, and it's Laurie asking if... | ||
| A very important question, I would say. | ||
| And that is, like, you know, these demons, can they understand it when you speak in tongues? | ||
| Like, if you're praying in tongues, can the demons understand you? | ||
|
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So, is it true that when you pray in the Spirit, you're praying with your heavenly language, that it's going, like you were just talking about Batman, and it goes straight to God, so can the enemy, can Satan understand that prayer language? | |
| I don't think so. | ||
| I don't either. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| What? | ||
| I mean, I don't have a scripture in verse for that, but he does say we speak with the tongues of men and of angels. | ||
| And so I would say, and someone told me, I agree with this, that when you pray in tongues, you're speaking, you could be speaking in a known language that you don't know. | ||
| Like I spoke in French and didn't know French. | ||
| Or you could be speaking in an archaic language that used to be in the earth but it's not here anymore. | ||
| Or you could be speaking in the tongues of angels. | ||
| And I tell people, I say, be very careful about criticizing what a tongue sounds like. | ||
| You might be insulting an angel. | ||
| Yeah, you gotta be careful. | ||
| Don't fuck with the game. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| If someone is speaking in tongues and it sounds a lot like gibberish... | ||
| Don't say that, because that could be angel language. | ||
| It might be insulting an angel. | ||
| It could really fuck the whole thing up for us. | ||
| Have you ever heard that story about that king who wasn't wearing any clothes? | ||
| As long as everybody was like, yeah, he's wearing clothes, nobody cared. | ||
| But what's that asshole who's like, hey, he's not wearing any clothes. | ||
| Everybody's like, yeah, you're right. | ||
| He's an asshole. | ||
| Can't have any of those kids. | ||
| Can't have any of those fucking kids around. | ||
| I don't know how worthwhile I thought there was literally no chance that I could resist telling you about Heaven Court. | ||
| Heaven Court is just too good. | ||
| The joy and the mirth. | ||
| It's just too good. | ||
| And that's what I would like to bring some of that happiness into the world to negate the negative feelings that I have about everybody tweeting a goddamn stupid Alex Jones meme. | ||
| Dan, can devils understand the meme, though? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Can I take Satan to court for that meme? | ||
| What damages would you like, Dan? | ||
| Does God get to decide the damages? | ||
| Is there a jury award? | ||
| Can I also add this? | ||
| One of the things that I felt was not at all adequately discussed. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And that's why I need to watch more of this guy's content. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| What if you don't get what you want? | ||
| Does that imply that it's not predestined, so it's not in the book, so there was no prophecy for you to take to court? | ||
| Or is it possible that you go to court and God says, nah. | ||
| Can you lose a case in heaven's court? | ||
| He never really addresses this. | ||
| Now, I don't think it's a good idea to get bogged down with all these little nuances. | ||
| Don't you just want a court where God tells you that you're a good boy? | ||
| Well, hey, I do think that when you're talking about heaven's court, let's get in the weeds with the legalese of it. | ||
| How do you create a god that's perfect and yet still has to go to court? | ||
| I will say that conceptions about court are generally really bogged down in specifics. | ||
| And technicalities. | ||
| Those are the things that are really important to the law. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And so I kind of would like to see a little bit more of that. | ||
| What are the major precedents? | ||
| That's what I want to know. | ||
| Does God respect Brown v. | ||
| Board of Education? | ||
| Is there anything that's been overturned? | ||
| Yes, I would like to know! | ||
| Oh, God's still fine with segregation, I bet. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| According to these guys. | ||
| According to these guys, for sure. | ||
| So yeah, we'll be back. | ||
| I'll get back to Alex Jones on Friday, but I just had to kick the can down the road because it was a bad couple days. | ||
| But until we are back, we have a website. | ||
| We do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight, and I go to bed Jordan. | ||
| You can also find us in the docket in Heaven's Court. | ||
| Yes, you can. | ||
| We'll be back, but until then, I'm the I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I'm Daryl Rundus. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
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Thanks for holding. | |
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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