Knowledge Fight - #596: Possibly Too Much Wacky

Sept. 15, 2021 - Knowledge Fight

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#596: Possibly Too Much Wacky

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#596: Possibly Too Much Wacky dissects Alex Jones’ recycled conspiracy tropes, like the viral Lonnie Vera parody, which Jordan and Dan argue masks far-right extremism’s cyclical resurgence. Pastor Robert Henderson pitches Jim Bakker’s network as a "court of heaven" scam—claiming Job’s hedge was a legal restraining order, COVID immunity can be prayed into existence, and $1,000 donations unlock "miracle blankets." Lori Bakker echoes end-times rhetoric while Dan mocks the absurdity of framing God as bound by heavenly precedents like Brown v. Board. The segment exposes how fringe religious legalism mirrors pop culture exploitation, revealing a pattern of staged spectacle over substance. [Automatically generated summary]
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dan friesen

31:59

jordan holmes

21:23

pastor robert henderson

11:06

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alex jones

infowars 00:39

jim bakker

02:30

lori bakker

01:38

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Speaker	Time	Text
unidentified		I have great respect for knowledge fight.
		Knowledge fight.
		I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Shang me are the bad guys.
unidentified		Knowledge fight.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		Dan and Jordan.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		Knowledge fight.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I need money.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy and Pamza.
unidentified		Andy and Pandy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy and Pansy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy in Kansas.
unidentified		Andy.
		Andy.
		It's time to pray.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy in Kansas.
		You're on the air.
		Thanks for holding us.
unidentified		Hello, Alex.
		I'm a fake ten coloring with you today.
		I love your word.
		Knowledge fight.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Knowledgefight.com.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I love you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey, everybody.
		Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
		I'm Dan.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm Jordan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're a couple dudes.
		Sit around, drink.
		Worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jordan.
unidentified		Dan!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jordan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Quick question for you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What was your bright spot today?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		My bright spot today, Jordan, is that my watching of Survivor continues.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it continues.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've made it to season 31, I think.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Boy 32.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a brains versus brawn versus beauty season.
		Survivor has a couple of themes that they've developed over the course of the years.
		One of them is very interesting and compelling, and that is blood versus water.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Where you have people who have to play against their loved ones.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like their wife or their husband.
		Blood thicker than water.
		Child.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, and having people have to compete in a physical challenge against their child is nuts.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is very weird.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		People are crying all over the place.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course they are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's interesting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a compelling twist.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you have to keep changing this show from what it originally was, at least that's sort of an interesting sociological thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
		Turn it into a fucking Dostoevsky novel.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		Get in there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That first season was just like, can you make a hut?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is a Dostoevsky novel, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So the other theme is this beauty versus brawn versus brains, which is like, what's the most important thing?
		And so you have three tribes.
		One of them are like beautiful people, one are smart people, and one are really strong people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		But I find it.
		What a weird thing to do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I find it to be a really poorly done idea because it's not like the people who are the brain or the brawn tribe, the strong tribe.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not like they have no mental ability.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, yeah, it seems like in order for it to truly be fair, all things must be boiled down to a single attribute.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You have only strength.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can only use strength or you can only use beauty or you can only use your brains, that type of thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That seems to me like that would be how you would do that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it would have to be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, it's just three groups.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're all pretty attractive people.
unidentified		Yeah, of course.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's on TV.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure, the beauty tribe is like full of people who are maybe models and stuff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		One of the guys on the brain tribe is like, everybody says I look like Obama.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, fuck off.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're a very attractive man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're a good looking dude.
		Calm it down.
		I'm very smart, and I look like President Obama.
		No big deal.
		No big deal.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've been watching this.
		It's been infuriating me.
		So I guess that's my bright spot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		How about you?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		My bright spot, Dan.
		You know, over the years, I've had many petty feuds for no reason other than Connor Friedersdorf is one of the big ones.
		Conor Friedersdorf has appeared in my life again today.
		For some reason on Twitter, he decided to be...
		No, he just decided to be the shithead of the day.
		He said something stupid and people started tipping up.
		What made it good for me, though, was it was like revisiting an old neighborhood.
		You know, I went back to Avondale the other day and you see all the stuff that's the same and you see the stuff that's different and you're like, oh, I remember this place.
		I remember what this used to be.
		Friedersdorf still a shithead.
		Never change, man.
		Never change.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's your word of encouragement.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a word of encouragement.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It always feels like home to see your bad taste.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You low-level asshole.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm happy for you on that front.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, Jordan, we got an episode to do today and some complaining.
		But before we get to that, let's do a little moment to say thank you.
		And hello to some news.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm not mad at the crew.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not mad at the crew.
		First, the hobbitch.
		Thank you so much.
		You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, the hobbit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you next.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Help, I'm stuck in a podcast factory.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, it's not your policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you next.
		Hey, you.
		You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Nat.
		Thank you so much.
		You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Annette.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And also, I'd like to say thank you to a technocrat out there.
		What's up, Lauren L. How you doing?
		You're now a technocrat.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
		Crikey, mate.
		That's fantastic.
		Have yourself a brew.
		How's your 401k doing, bro?
		We got to go full-telt buggy on this, Watson, all right?
		Let's just get down to business.
		We ain't making that money off that heroin.
		Why are you pimps so good?
		My neck is freakishly large.
		I declare info war on you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Lauren.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, thank you very much, Lauren.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, before we get to business on this episode today, Jordan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What we have to do is we have to take a little trip.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are we going to be taking a trip into the past?
unidentified		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Are you ready to take a trip with me?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Where are we going?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Scotland.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm into Scotland.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I like Scotland.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		While we're here, we got to say happy birthday to Ross from Scotland.
		Aha.
		We missed this on Monday, but he sent a very nice message.
		And so happy birthday.
		And also in Scotland, there's big news.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thanks to Tyler in the Glencoe Woods of Scotland.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There is a plot of land that has been adopted in the name of Celine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's fantastic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And this is a conservation kind of thing, environmentalism.
		But one of the fun things that comes along with this is that with this land, you get a title.
		So now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is Celine a baroness?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		She's a lady.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		She's a lady.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Lady Celine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's about time that we're moving up, not just in the animal world, but in the earth world.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're taking over.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's very exciting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Slowly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So congratulations to Lady Celine.
		Thank you so much, Tyler.
		That was very cool.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I would like many people to compliment Celine and Scott's.
		Yes.
		That would be a delight.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Let's get back to Chicago so we can record the episode.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Here we are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're back.
unidentified		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Mr. Peabody.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I've had a bad week already, and a lot of it has to do with people posting that goddamn song of Alex's.
		Another million and a half views on this video flying all over Twitter.
		Yeah, the Lonnie Vera parody.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it really was bumming me out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it's going to make me need to fully turn off notifications and any kind of.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because here's the thing.
		I went and I checked.
		We talked about that on episode 65 of this book.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		65?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That was back in 2017.
		We dealt with that and discussed how that is actually, though it's fun and it's funny and it feels good.
		It is actually something that plays directly into Alex's hands.
		And actually, making content like that and making it really popular allows him to better inoculate or keep trapped his audience, inoculate them from outside influences and make him seem like somebody who's actually above board.
		And it solidifies a lot of the negative narratives and the dangerous worldviews that he perpetuates.
		And I wanted to discuss that again, and maybe in greater detail, but I realized we've already done it.
		And I've banged that gong a hundred times.
		But then when I'd see these tweets come in, I'd get like notifications on my phone because I hadn't turned off the notifications.
		It just felt like constantly like, your work doesn't matter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Your point, no one cares.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It really bums me out to know that we did that five years ago.
		That's too long ago.
		That's too long ago.
		Especially for us to have essentially the same take, like to have not grown at all in five years because the correct take has already been laid down.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to say that there's no room for growth.
		I'm sure there's nuance we could add to it, but it's a little bit of a bummer, and that really like sort of messed with my emotional state.
		It kind of made me a little madder than I like to be generally.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it's no one's fault.
		And even we talked about in 2017, it's like, I get why people think this is funny and want to share it.
		I get it.
		It's just we need to get to a place where we recognize the things that are useful for propagandists and the things that are not.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What's important is that those things are great, but will only be great after Alex is no longer a threat to everyone.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I think I would love to enjoy it five years from now when Alex is, I don't know, in space or something.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that was even kind of the point was like in a perfect world, this would be great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, I mean, it doesn't work.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, look, here's the deal.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Another thing happened, and that was that on Friday over the weekend, Alex was on some stream, some like gamer, or not gamer, but like, I guess, I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Some people have told me these guys are like gamergate-ish types.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But like, I don't know.
		It's like a pop culture stream.
		I don't even care.
		Like, people had asked that we cover it because Alex Jones showed up on this weird stream.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And he really will show up anywhere now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		Without saying anything too much, I think he might be showing up a lot of places.
		He might be willing to show up a lot of places.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He might be willing to go just about anywhere.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He might be surprised by the pathetic places you may end up seeing him.
		But let's just say Rogan is not the floor.
		Not taking him.
		So I went and I watched this, and it was just a depressing display.
		And it was just really boring, too.
		Like, just these guys, eight white dudes just sitting around letting Alex yell things at them and then them being like, you're a genius.
		Wild.
		Yeah, it was a bummer.
		It was a little bit depressing.
		And it was also strange to see these people who fancy themselves or like, you know, at least the presentation, as far as I can tell, like, I have no idea.
		I don't know who I've not watched these people's content.
		But like, you know, they're doing a pop culture related show, and at least three of them have beards that are unacceptable for the office place.
		And most of them are broadcasting from bedrooms with DVD collections behind them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so it's weird for me to see these people who are like modern, pop culture.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then they have their minds blown by like repackaged John Birch Society talking points from back when these like Alex's heroes were fighting against the civil rights movement.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like it just, it's so weird to me to see like them think this is fresh.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They are, I mean, it's very fresh whenever you're not in the middle of seeing the consequences of that bullshit, you know?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like I feel like the United States has gone through a constant ebb and flow of like, okay, the far right kills everybody and then it flows back as everybody's like, hey, no, we can't allow that to go on.
		For a couple of years, everything goes fine and everybody forgets that it's your fucking far right friends who are going to kill everybody.
		They do it again and then we go another 20 years and it's like, hey, everybody quit it.
		We can't let this happen.
		And then, you know, a new generation of shitheads show up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And we'll see what happens this time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, I watched this stream and I just didn't think it was interesting.
		I didn't think it really brought up any points that I felt compelled to like really cover.
		And it really kind of just bummed me out because here I am trying to go down these roads.
		I was like, I'll check out Alex in a different context.
		This may be fun.
		Wasn't.
		And then all these people just bombarding me with like, why don't you watch this Bonnie Ver meme?
unidentified		I almost turned super villain.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, it was almost enough for me to be like, this is my Victor Von Doom backstory.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So wait, there were eight people on that stream?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, eight dudes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Eight dudes all like the Brady Bunch theme song.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Jesus Christ.
		He was Coach Dave.
		They were Coach Daving it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Coach Dave doesn't usually have them all on video at the same time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's infuriating.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How could you do that to me?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
		And yeah, I just gross.
		No.
		And so anyway, I decided I wanted to do a sneaky snake episode, but I didn't want to do any of this shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I almost want to punish the world.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, you are Victor Von Doom now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, they dare make Alex go viral for this stupid bullshit episode.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so I am turning heel.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, no.
unidentified		Hello, and welcome to the Jim Baker Show coming to you from Inside USA.
		In the beautiful Ozark Mountains.
		Today, our special guest is the author of the best-selling Courts of Heaven series, Pastor Robert Henderson.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Pastor Robert Henderson.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yep, we're going back to Jim Baker.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's been a long time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's been a long time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We shouldn't have left you without some canned food to step to.
		Look, here's the thing.
		Yeah.
		Jim Baker had a stroke a while back, and there's been a long period of time where I've been like, I don't want to talk about his show because I don't feel good about it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's a stroked-out old weirdo propagandist monster.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I've watched.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The cult compound.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've watched some of his stuff.
		And this episode that I was watching made me kind of realize that, like, I don't think it's the stroke.
		I think he's just old.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You think he's just old?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And I don't feel as bad.
		But at the same time, I'm going to pull some punches and be a little bit restrained.
		Sure.
		And I have no interest in making fun of the points where, like, you know, just aging may be coming into effect.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, if he forgets something or whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have no interest in that.
		That's low-hanging fruit.
		Right.
		But at the same time, this episode was amazing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This Robert Henderson guy is the one who must be spoken about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're selling me on this pretty hard.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're going to find out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever heard about this guy?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I have not heard about Pastor Robert Henderson.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He fancies himself an apostle.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's not good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's a bad start.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he also claimed that he claimed responsibility for Ruth Bader Ginsburg's death.
unidentified		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Interesting.
		Interesting start for a pastor.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So here's what he said.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Control life and death.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I am your new pastor.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Here's what he said.
		Quote, we were in the meeting on Monday night in D.C., and I told them, I said, look, we need to go to the courts of heaven right now while we're on site in D.C., and we need to shut the mouth of the lion judicially.
		We need to ask for a judgment against the lion that has actually been devouring and intends to devour from the Supreme Court.
		We need to get a judgment against this lion that Paul said God shut the mouth of.
		So I led us into that place.
		Well, guess what?
		Ruth Bader Ginsburg has passed away.
		President Trump will establish a new Supreme Court justice.
		That's no accident.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Well, I mean, I guess arrest him?
		He's a murderer.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's claimed through prayer, he put a hit on him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		I'm going to go with that is a confession, and I think he should be arrested.
		If he believes that he murdered Ruth Bader Ginsburg, he should be punished accordingly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He later walked that back a little bit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's like, look, I'm just saying, I was praying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I imagine so.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, I heard this like entered.
		Okay, I'll just put all my cards on the table.
		The episode is titled Like Speaking in Tongues.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now we're in my wheelhouse.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I was pretty excited about like, okay, what's Jim Baker going to talk to this guy about speaking in tongues?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It does not end up being mostly about that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Disappointing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He has a new book that's about speaking in tongues.
		Sure.
		But the content of this episode is way more interesting than that.
		But, you know, every episode of Jim Baker's show starts with a little bit of lighthearted discussion with the family.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		His wife Lori is his co-host.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Tammy Sue Baker sings the theme song and brings people in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're really insane.
		They're really all insane.
		They're in their own compound doing a fake TV show for fake people in a fake situation for money for no reason.
		It's bananas.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		When I was watching this, I will not say that I didn't think it's possible this is satire.
		It's so over the top.
		And Robert Henderson, this guy, this preacher who's the guest, he has to stop himself from laughing a couple times.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Get the fuck out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, that's not fair.
unidentified		There's a couple times that it's clear that he almost breaks.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can't beat Jimmy Fallon and a fucking con man at the same time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's not how it works.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty wild.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So at the beginning, they talk a little bit about, you know, family stuff.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, we've got some birthdays coming up.
		Okay.
		And Laurie makes an interesting point.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Let's hear it.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Lori's having a birthday this year.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		I have a tiny daughter.
		You're saying 50 years old now.
		She told me the other day, and I just don't accept it.
unidentified		I don't accept it either, Jim.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, like, that's cute.
		That's cute as hell.
		I really like that.
		There's also a point where Lori says that her, like, their anniversary is coming up, and she's like, can you remember which one it is?
		Oh, and he's like, 22?
		She says, 23?
		And he's like, wait, but it's going to be 23, so I am right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it's kind of like, this is a family.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I still think they're horrible people.
unidentified		Right, right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But at least it's a presentation of like softness.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, it's caring.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I imagine it's how people envisioned Queen Victoria back in her day of like this goofy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		She's figure, but you know, she killed people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I can't accept that my daughter is 50 years old.
		I don't accept it either, Doc.
		That's good family fun.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Kill those little kids, aren't they?
		Aren't your babies always the babies?
		Yeah.
unidentified		Never stop thinking of the babies.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		And Lori, you're going to be.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		How old are you going to be?
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		I mean, when you're around your baker, you know, you're not supposed to ask a lady how old she is, but it's okay.
		64.
		I'm great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		You can retire in one more year.
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, I just wish I was turning 65 so I could get my Medicare.
		You know, I'm just like, what?
		Why do we haven't had 64?
		We should just skip over that year and go straight to 65.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What is this?
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm so grateful.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I can't wait another year so I can take advantage of social programs that I'm philosophically opposed to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		Everything that the Democrats have ever done is the work of Satan, except for in the 1960s, whenever they did pass Medicare and Medicaid, that was a pretty good call.
		I will admit that.
		Social Security in the 1940s, that was a great idea.
		I can't live without that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Everything about my political ideology leads me to definitely want this to go away, but I also would like to skip this year so I can take advantage of this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would like to take advantage of this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a free healthcare that I refuse to accept should be allowed.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to pay into this, but I want to skip a year so I can experience socialism.
unidentified		Exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I like to vacation in socialism.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's so much better there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that's fun.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to generally not spend too much time on Jim's stuff because I really do think that this Henderson guy is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This guy's nuts.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not so much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I think he's.
unidentified		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I got a lot of theories about him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But what he's bringing to the table is amazing.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he has this new book about speaking in tongues.
		Right.
		But in his introduction, Jim brings up his other books.
		That's the series called The Courts of Heaven.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Get the fuck out.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		But we're about to introduce our guest.
unidentified		We are Pastor Robert Henderson.
		And that's right.
		We like you.
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		We love your ministry.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		He's one of the most sought-after speakers in America today.
		I believe that his books on record of heaven have just gone bananas.
		That's not a good word to use.
unidentified		Spectacularly, though, people love their books.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		They do.
		They do.
		The Court of Heaven series.
		It's actually a series.
		And I continue to write books on it.
		It's just people have found an answer to unanswered prayer in those books.
		And that's what's caused them to be so successful.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		It's so powerful that it's almost supernaturally the way to believe it.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		I do believe that there's a supernatural unction on those books.
		Because when people read them, it's like it's not just letters on a page.
		It's like an importation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Do you understand?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This book is magic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This book is essentially magic that he's got.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are you really going to come?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are you going to come out the gate with this book will heal you because the words are literal magic?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It has an unction.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's got unctuous abilities.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I was intrigued.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I am blown away by the gall of someone to be like, my book is literally magic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was pretty taken aback by the opening of this.
		And I was like, I want to know more.
		What's going on?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, if you trace some of his words in silver and you get the name, the true name of the person that you want to curse, then you will, of course, have power over them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That isn't in the book.
unidentified		Oh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This has more to do with the courts of heaven.
		Okay.
		I don't want to spoil too much because learning about this is going to be amazing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Man, I'll tell you this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If RBJ, if RBG is in the courts of heaven, he's going to be real pissed.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, she didn't make the cut.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		One of the things that we always find the most fascinating is the preoccupation among space weirdos and Alex with interstellar contract law.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that's really why this episode is special.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because when he's talking about the courts of heaven, he's talking about it literally.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, He is not going to try and tell me that when I go to heaven, there is still a court system.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is a little bit of a like, you know, that movie Defending Your Life?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a little bit of that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it's not just after you die.
		It's also while you're alive.
		You can take advantage of the heavenly court system.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Who do I sue?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The devil.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do I sue the devil?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Okay.
		So I take the devil to court.
		I get a summons.
		I get a subpoena.
		He's got to be served.
		So somebody, a court representative has to go serve the devil.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a process server angel.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then a demon shows up in a suit and tie.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's the lawyer for the devil.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to go with the guy from the wire, naturally.
		And then you argue your case, and then what happens?
		Do you get restitution?
		What if you lose?
unidentified		See, these are the questions that I'm glad you have.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And only one man can explain to you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But in due time, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		I understand this excitement.
		This is what happens when I turn heel.
		So he's got a book he's working on that has to do with the court system.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's some really interesting dynamics at play.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who do you want to say?
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Telling you there's going to be another one?
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		There's going to be one coming out with me and my son real quickly.
unidentified		Oh, that's true.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		It's called imparting generational blessings from the court of heaven.
unidentified		Yeah.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		Because lots of times we talk about the court of heaven and undoing all that the devil's doing.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		But there are legal things that are hanging in the spirit world that we can grab hold of and they can be generational blessings imparted to you.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Did you release that book on our show?
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		I would love to.
unidentified		I would love to.
		Absolutely.
		Because you have a brand new book out, The Gifts of Tongues.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		And boy, is it a good book?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So you could kind of get the idea of why this guy can't keep a straight face.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This stuff is ridiculous.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is hilariously sick.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There are legal things you can do in the spirit world.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to avoid the generational death tax in the spirit court?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, yeah, obviously, I don't want to have to pay taxes on the money that I want to leave by.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		For the blessings.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, absolutely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you don't want to.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You don't want God taking one-sixth of your blessings.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I can't.
		Here's the number one problem I have.
		I swear to you, if I was a religious person, that would infuriate me so much more than anything else.
		Just because if you are expecting me to live through this shit to get to heaven, and you're telling me that when I get to heaven, it's this shit, I'm going to be furious.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You have to calm down because, again, it's not about when you die.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I understand how that judgment and court thing, it really seems like it's when you die.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's probably part of it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it's more important that it's happening now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's like every day.
unidentified		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Every day.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The courts are open 24-7 through 65.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And you can go to them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Get a mediator.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Deal with the devil for all the wrongs.
		That's really nudgy.
		Yeah.
		Take him to court for suing in that fiddle contest for cheating.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He cheated.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That was a golden fiddle.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we recently learned that Alex has had COVID multiple times.
		Yes.
		And his entire staff got COVID.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because he's a moral.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so it seems like Jim's had some troubles on that front, too.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		The Holy Spirit's quickening me to pray for our son Ricky.
unidentified		Yeah.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		And he's been down a little bit.
		Oh, yeah?
		In bed.
		He's physically ill.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		He had COVID.
		I already told everybody on TV.
		I already said it.
		He had comment.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		You think I tell everything?
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		She would tell everything.
		Oh, I can tell you so much, Mark.
		And his whole platoon.
		I mean, and he had it back.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so apparently Lori brought this up in a previous episode.
		Jim didn't realize it.
		So he was going to just say he was sick, but then kind of the game was busted.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Jim's out here being like, you realize we're not doing that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're not saying it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I was hoping to pretend it was something else.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to have to take you to a court.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		One of the things that I noticed, too, is that Lori is really coming into her own.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it's the time since, like, you know, Jim had a stroke and she had to host a bit more.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, she had to step up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that she has a lot more personality than when I was watching the show before.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nice.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		She's gotten some chops out of this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think a little bit of confidence to be able to have her own identity more.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's like on a Kitchen Nightmares episode.
		You know, the old boss has got to step aside and let the young blood take over.
		Otherwise, it's just going to go out of business.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I still don't think she's great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And she also insists on referring to Jim as Jim Baker all the time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Using full names.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Just really weird.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's clearly a conversation they've had off air.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can call me Jim Baker.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Robert Henderson recently spoke at this conference called the Pentecostal Fire Conference, which is about getting the spirit together.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a revival.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a revival.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, there's a reason that they had him come, and he had to open the entire conference.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		For a very specific reason.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why is that?
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		A lot of what was there was like these young revivalists.
		You know, there's a lot of young revivalists that are rising up across this nation.
		And I mean, revival services are breaking out in tremendous ways.
		But the whole issue was to grab hold of Pentecostal fire so that we could see a revival come to the nation of America.
		And so what I did, my part, what I did was they wanted me to open the conference and present us that we might step into the courts of heaven so that everything that was done in that conference could speak in the courts of heaven and that God on the basis of that testimony could render a judgment that would let his glory come to the earth.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he had to open it because they needed things to be on the record in the court of heaven.
		And so like you need you need an official like a barrister.
		A lawyer.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know, I like that we've moved, you know, when I was growing up, there was that paradoxical question of like, could God, who can do everything, create a mountain that he can't move?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad we've moved on beyond that to just like, look, if you don't open the court, God can't hear you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or he can choose to hear you or not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God has a lot of weird rules that how so happen to be ones that maybe I created for fun.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This thought is coming too late because we're in the middle of recording this episode, but I really should have called the opening arguments guys and try to get their take on this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What are your deals in the courts of heaven?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Do we have an understanding of heavenly law?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What are the legal ramifications in the courts of heaven?
		What's the statute of limitations?
		If it's eternal, how long do I got?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Jim wants a little bit of an explainer on the courts, which is great because we all need to.
		I think we all need that.
		And apparently, I'm going to do a lot more looking into this guy because this seems like a tip of an iceberg on this Henderson character.
		But, you know, there's new listeners, new viewers.
		Maybe talk a little bit about that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Give a little background.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Can you explain how we need to be able to enter the courts of heaven again?
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		We never get tired of hearing that.
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I mean.
		And we have a lot of new viewers.
		Maybe they've never heard about the courts of heaven that we're talking about.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I just keep getting, I have my own show on your network.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		They would, because they would be in the Bible if they were in the court part of the year.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		And then every week when we're, you know, I teach a little bitty piece of the court of heaven.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He has a show on Jim's network that is just all about the court of heaven.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All about the court of heaven.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You go and you watch that show, and you're going to get a law degree.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		Not a joke.
		Honest to God pitch.
		Night court of heaven.
		Love it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I was like, how can we improve this?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can't.
unidentified		It's perfect.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would like a giant bailiff to take care of me.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Bull.
		Bull.
		Come on, baby.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that there is a very good chance I will be watching the shit out of this show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If it's anything like it seems like it would be, this sounds amazing.
unidentified		Teach a little bitty part about a little bitty part about the court of heaven.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we got to talk a little bit about tariffs.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just a lovely, lovely little teaser for every day.
		What's your daily court of heaven knowledge?
		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So there's a little bit of that, a little bit of education about the court of heaven.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then he talks about also testimonials.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Things that people have written into him about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Christians love that shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And turns out a lot of people have experience in the courts.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		People are amazed that there's that many testimonies that come out of the court of heaven.
		In fact, I just got a testimony this morning from someone in England who was in a coma or in whatever state they were in with COVID.
		And while they were with COVID, they were in the court of heaven.
		They knew nothing about the court of heaven.
		They were in the court of heaven, and there was the enemy had a case against them.
		And they began while they were in the court of heaven, while they were in this state to answer that case.
		They got completely well.
		When they got back and started sharing their testimony, someone said, Have you heard of Robert Henderson and the teaching on the court of heaven?
		They said, No.
		And they said, They emailed us and they said, Everything you say is real.
unidentified		Wow.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		Everything you say, I was there.
		I got healed from COVID out of the court of heaven.
		Everything you're telling people is real.
unidentified		Amen.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What a giant pile of bullshit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What a spectacular pile of garbage.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This person from the United Kingdom beat a COVID case.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The enemy has a case against you.
unidentified		A COVID case.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Oh, my God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The mind reels.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, did you hear the devil?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, you hear about Robert Henderson?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What about him?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's going to take care of you in the courts.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's going to bring a case.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There is no implication or insinuation that you need a lawyer.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can represent yourself.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would assume that God would provide a lawyer for you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, it seems like God's on the bench.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		God's the judge.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, but yeah, but so God is also the lawyers, and God is also saying that he's the lawyer, the bailiff, the whole thing.
		It's what he is.
		What is God?
		Why is there a court?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jordan, I regret that you lost your shit so much at that last clip because that wasn't the one that I thought was going to be.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's going to get bad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's going to get this next clip was where I was like, definite mic down for this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I like a clip that turns into a mic down clip because I have to put the mic down.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sometimes they're unexpected a little bit, but this one, holy shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Jim plays a trailer for Henderson's show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This seems absolutely like it's a joke.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have almost no ability to believe this is serious.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		This is a trailer from his show.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		So let's roll back, and then we'll talk about it.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		We have a right to stand and put the divine restraining orders, God's restraining orders into place in behalf of us and our family.
		But I want you to notice what this widow said.
		When she came before the judge, she literally said, get justice for me.
		She said, get justice for me.
		What's this?
		From my adversary.
		So she was saying, I want the devil judged.
		I don't want to just be free from judgment.
		I want the devil judged and I want back what he stole from me.
		God did not only vindicate Job, he gave him punitive damages.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Did he just do?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That sounded exactly like a lawyer commercial on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, it did.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is exactly what that sounded like.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sounded like some late night, have you been injured by...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, call 1-8-8.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I injured for heavenly justice.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Have you been injured by the devil?
		You're not the only one.
		Join the class action lawsuit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I've got G-zothelioma.
unidentified		I cannot believe this is real.
unidentified		Oh, my God, you can get punitive damages?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Punitive damages.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What does that count for?
		What does that count for?
		I get that Job got twice as many sons as he had before.
		But all of his sons still died.
		Who gives a shit?
		He doesn't get those old sons back.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Look, the court can't do anything about that.
unidentified		Why not?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Those new kids are good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're good enough.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I like the idea that there's punitive damages and like that that is what happened in the story of Job.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the lesson that you should have taken from Job.
		What I learned from Job was not don't question God.
		He'll just fuck with you for no reason.
		Who are you to say shit?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What I learned was that you got to take the devil to devil court because that's the only place you can get justice for the deaf.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then you get punitive damages.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is so weird.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think it probably goes without saying, but at one point in this, he does say he's not a big research guy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that does.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's not big into researching.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Kind of just feeling it out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's just kind of got a vibe from the Bible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I can't believe, like, I've watched some really ridiculous stuff on Jim Baker's show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, I've seen some swings for the fences.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fucking Mike Lindell's been on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, hell yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sidney Powell's been off.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There are some stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Luminaries of the Christian world.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's stuff that's outrageous.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We've talked about what's her name, Paula White Kane.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		She's batshit people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Even a lot of these prosperity gospel people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they pale in comparison to the guy who's pitching heaven court.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I just, I'm blown away.
		I'm blown away.
		I mean, that's just...
		People are so interested to learn about Heaven Court.
unidentified		Of course.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course they are because it's not mentioned anywhere in the Bible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And it's not really discussed or anything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And honestly, that sounds crazy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I should tell you that in this next clip, Henderson does give a scriptural basis for his beliefs.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		His beliefs in the night court.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then also, like, he explains how it works.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And if you don't quite pick up on what he's saying, I'll explain it on the other end of the clip.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		Daniel 7.10, for anybody that's kind of unfamiliar, one of the best, maybe the best scripture on the court where it says that he's seeing, Daniel's seeing all of this activity in the unseen realm.
		And then it says, and the court was seated and the books were open.
		So what that means is that the books, that means that's the place that cases come out of.
		For instance, let me just use the ministry.
		Your ministry has a book in heaven.
unidentified		Okay.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		It's written because you didn't just dream this ministry up.
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		No.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		This ministry originated in heaven before time began.
unidentified		Right.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		That's what it says in Psalms 139, 16, that before time began, anything that has a kingdom purpose, it was written in heaven before time began.
		So what happens is that God, God comes and he begins to reveal what this ministry is supposed to be, what it's supposed to do.
		You take that prophetic awareness and you present it in the courts.
		And you say, God, let what you said about this ministry come to pass.
		And then anything that dares to touch that, just like this onslaught you went through, anything that dares to touch that, you bring that and you say, God, this is not about me.
		This is about your purposes.
		This is about your will through this ministry.
		I'm asking that what you wrote in the book, it would come to pass.
		Everything that's supposed to happen would come to pass.
		And anything that dares to touch this thing, I'm asking that judgment would come against it.
		I'm asking that you would judge that out of heaven right now from the courts of heaven.
		And you're asking for a legal judgment against anything that would dare touch the purposes of God.
unidentified		Amen.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		It's happening.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's happening.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Excuse me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you took off your glasses, you seem a little bit in a mood, counselor.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Henderson, I would just like to point out that court has multiple definitions.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, it does.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So one court could simply be the king's court or another word for retinue, a group of people who surround the king and provide assistance.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And even beyond that, you know, when you get into biblical translation, there's a lot of issues where words mean multiple things and like the Aramaic that it comes from in the book of Daniel is a little bit questionable.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Could just mean judgment.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it's unsurprising that the King James Version would include the word court, considering the circumstances around which it was written.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
		It's dubious at best.
		And if he was more of a study guy, I imagine he could have gotten to the bottom of this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would recommend a research guy to help him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Maybe a research assistant.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It would be helpful.
		Yeah.
		So here's how it works, as he explains.
		There's these books in heaven that are prophets.
		They're predetermined everything that's going to happen.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, you can't include that part because if you include the part where it's predetermined, then the rest of it means nothing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Everything is predestined in these books.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So everything that you're going to do that is meaningful to heaven is in these books.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like Jim Baker having his TV station and weird compound that's in that book.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's in that book.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it has been since the beginning of time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So before now, I guess him going to prison was also part of that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was, he was.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's in that book, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so when Jim Baker gets a silly idea about what he wants to do, like add another layer to the compound or whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Build up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Put in an ice cream parlor.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, you got to ask for God's permission before that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, but he gets these ideas, and then that is experienced as prophecy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he gets these prophetic visions of what he's going to do with his compound.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it's all been predestined in the book.
		What he's actually getting is a glimpse at that book.
		So if anything stands in the way of him putting up that ice cream shop at Morningside, then he's got to take it to court.
		He's got to take that shit to court, and he's got to get a judgment.
unidentified		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now, and I'm going to throw this out here for you.
		I'm just going to toss this one wide out.
		I'm just going to break this whole case wide open.
		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Watch yourself, counselor.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If it's predetermined, then it doesn't matter if someone tries to get in the way.
		That is also predetermined.
		All of this is predetermined if it's so predetermined.
		It can't not happen.
		Otherwise, you're saying that your God has no actual power unless you take him to court.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's a lot of loose threads.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if you could get a sidebar in the court of heaven.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I would hope so.
		I would hope to take God to the side and be like, you realize this guy is insane, sir.
		This is madness.
		He should injunctions.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So let's say that something is like you have a plan that you've decided is prophetic and something comes up against it, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You've got to go take it to heaven court.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter because if it's not a prophecy, it won't happen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're getting hung up on that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm getting really hung up on the thing that means something.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You have to let it go.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, fair enough.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because if you take these things to court that are getting in you, stop it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, you can get damages.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		Once you get a judgment from the Lord, then you ask for restoration.
		Just like Job.
		Lord, we want double back everything.
		Not only what was lost, but we want penitent damages.
		See, penitent damages pays you for your pain and suffering.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Is that true?
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		That's what happened to Job.
		He got double back everything he lost because the whole book of Job is a court case.
		Even Job recognized that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is outrageous.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is just amazing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is an outrageous scam.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I do think it's fun, though.
		It's so bizarre.
		And I don't know if Jim Baker really does have a large enough audience that this is dangerous as a belief.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know, at least before the internet, you used to have to sell snake oil.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There had to be some oil.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is literally a guy just going like, hey, man, if you buy my books and take your evil people to court, then you'll get snake oil.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's really the Steve Pieczenik of televangelist swings.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a big one.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a big swing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a big swing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Jim recently had a prophetic dream.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		North Koreans brought ballots over to Maine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Lower stakes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Lower stakes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's thinking about putting some parking in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, this is not real.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is not real.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
		I mean, he just showed me every detail of it.
		Sidewalks, walkways around, all the things that he wanted here.
		Things that you wouldn't even think about.
		The new studios.
		I'm going to go ahead and announce something.
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, here we come back.
		Well, none of the rest of us know about it.
		He hasn't talked to me.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Only me and God know about it so far.
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		He has to talk to us about it.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Around the perimeter of this great mountain that's right where the studio is going to sit in the center.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		All the way on the edge and show me how to level this thing out, put two stories of parking underneath out of the weather for the people that live here.
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		Now that's a beautiful thing.
unidentified		We like people that visit here.
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Be out of the weather.
		You know what I mean?
		Absolutely.
		And I didn't mean to go into my building, but I saw it last night.
unidentified		And I said, God, where am I going to get the money?
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		You got the money, honey?
		I got the time.
		Wild.
		That is all something.
		I don't know what it is.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		But see, that dream.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		But you said it.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Right now, this is a piece of my puzzle.
unidentified		That's right.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That dream is a prophetic awareness of what God intends to do.
		So you take that word into the courts and you say anything that would dare stand in the way of this.
		We're asking for a judgment against that thing so that what God wants to be done can be.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		And if we had just to what we lost in this debacle, as I'm going to call it, we could do what Waja just said.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so this dream of a parking lot is a prophetic glimpse at what's in that book that's in the courts of heaven.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So anything that would stand in the way of Jim making this parking lot, he's got to get a judgment on it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He has to get an injunction from the court.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Does the heavenly court deal with zoning?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Look, what if somebody is like, hey, this could be an indigenous burial ground?
		You can't just let them get away with looking for the crimes of the past.
		You got to go to court with heaven, and then he'll give you twice as many indigenous people as were in the graves.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Do we have...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is that how that works?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Possibly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Is there a small claims heaven court?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I just...
		I mean, this is first grade cult leadership right here.
		You can't...
		You can't even just say, I think we want a parking lot.
		It has to be a prophecy.
		You can't even just be like, hey, I think people could appreciate a parking lot.
		We don't have enough parking here.
		And then people get rained on all the time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're in the Ozarks.
		There is winter issues with parking.
		Inside parking would be advantageous.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why do we got to bring the courts into this?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because it's prophesied.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to be able to handle this next book.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		I dreamt of a parking lot.
		Well, my yes and to that is that's a fucking prophecy from God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, Mike down for this one, too.
unidentified		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Um, is man, I don't know what kind of a like deal this Henderson character has with like having his show on the network and Jim selling his books and what have you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But if he ever needed to like claim that he made his money, right here is where he earns his money.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		But may I say one more thing about your givers, your partners?
unidentified		Yes.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		When they partner with you by giving their finance, they become a part of your breakthrough.
		What I mean by that is there is a connection made in the spirit that allows them to claim for themselves the same blessing that comes up on Jim Baker, PTL Network, all these kind of things.
		Because finances make connections in the spirit world.
		And so whenever we, when we take our finances and we show them, we are connecting to something that we literally have a legal right to claim drawing rights from.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're not even fucking trying.
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		Now, with that $1,000, I just want to say this: our SOS, we have put it out there for you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Amazing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		Oh, baby.
		If you give him money.
		Indulgences are back, man.
unidentified		If you give Jim Baker money, they have special drawing rights on the blessings.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You get a little blessing.
		You get a little piece.
		You get a little of that taste.
		It's trickle-down faith and amics, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not just that.
unidentified		It's a legal right that you have on these blessings.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Can I take Jim Baker to heaven's court?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to need to.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What if Jim Baker is doing bad things?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Then giving him money would actually be a detriment to you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You would be liable for damages.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have some things about Jim Baker in his life today that are pretty bad.
unidentified		Uh-oh.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Uh-oh.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This could be trouble.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, yeah, but if you don't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So if you donate to Jim Baker, you're running a deficit.
		Yes.
		On karma.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're throwing money in a pit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Literally and spiritually.
		Yes.
		So, but it turns out if you give $1,000 to this fundraising campaign of his, you get a very special gift.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't do it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You get a special gift.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't do it.
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		With that $1,000, just don't quick.
		SOS offer.
		We have Joan Hunter's, which we love this.
		The miracle blanket.
		We absolutely love this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So you get a miracle blanket.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to know what the miracle blanket is?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I was just speechless.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You don't want to know the maker blanket?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's hear it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just a blanket that says miracles happen.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Nope.
		Nope.
		For $1,000, you get a blanket.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is a couple of other things, like a book and a CD.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure, but yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nobody reads.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And what is a CD?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, apparently, the CD is this preacher friend of theirs speaking the word over very relaxing music.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I actually do think I might listen to that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, so this miracle blanket, this friend of theirs, this other preacher, prays over all of them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God, don't do that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They have a couple of pictures that they show on the show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And one of them is like Lori and someone else putting the blanket over Jim.
unidentified		And Jim's like laying on the bed in his clothes smiling.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like a weird Christmas carol situation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it's a very staged photo.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Looks awesome.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I am just, you know, it's almost like, it's almost like it's so brazen.
		Yes.
		I'm more, you know, you're more likely to be like, there's no way they could get away with that if it's not true.
		That's insane.
		Trying to think that somebody would be like, finances equals heaven.
		Like, that's bananas.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Trying to imagine the dark moments of curiosity or doubt are really difficult.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you don't imagine that they know they're fucking around and they know that this is a scam, if they think it's sincere.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I just don't understand how you would ever get out of a moment of crisis where you're like, what if this is, this doesn't make sense?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no way.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No way.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's so silly that it has to be all like.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the house of cards is such that anything.
		Even the slightest whiff of doubt would knock the whole thing down immediately.
		So it has to be perfect or nothing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that anybody, any right-thinking person checking out that trailer for the dude's show, if you're trying to put out a trailer for this guy's show, you'd be like, guys, this looks ridiculous.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is better call Saul.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This looks like a parody of what we're doing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We need to take another pass of this.
		Let's try and make it look serious.
		Let's try and give it a little bit of gravitas.
		Let's give some, like, an edge to it.
		It's, it's awesome.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know, I do appreciate that it does seem like the Scientology scam took all the lessons from the early revivalist preachers that, you know, that the Marjos and the like, that whole thing.
		And then they were like, what if we made it even more brazen and just asked for money and blackmailed people?
		And then Jim Baker is like, well, I mean, Scientology's got a great scam going, but what if we just go even crazier, don't even bother blackmailing people and just tell them the weirdest shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Let's just freak people out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You don't need to pay to get these secrets.
		These secrets are so crazy, we can't not give them to you.
		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Heaven court.
		Yes.
		So it turns out it's, you know, end times.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy, it's been end times with the Baker family for quite some time now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're not wrong.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I believe it's been since the 80s.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe even before.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it's end times.
		And Lori would like to remind us that, you know, like, hey, shit's bad.
		There's a lot of people falling away.
		But it's also harvest time.
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		You know, we have to always remember that.
		This is harvest time.
		Yes, there's going to be a great falling away, the word says, but it's the harvest time right here.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		The meeting I was just in on Pentecostal Fire, this is what one of the young evangelists said.
		People are getting saved because COVID is making them know they're not immortal.
		They're realizing we're going to die.
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		Maybe not now, but some point we're going to die.
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		Right.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		And it is causing people to look at their eternity.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's depressing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's bananas.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I shouldn't use that word.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
		That really, I mean, a lot of this is really funny.
		That's not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is really sad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is fucking.
		That's the danger, though, of religion.
		You know, you can laugh at how stupid all of it is, but then you get into that and you're like, this isn't religion.
		No, no, no.
		I understand.
		I understand this isn't religion.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anybody who has, like, I don't know, a relationship with deity or like has some kind of a belief in a divine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, that is not something that should be impugned necessarily.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or just like outright thought of as wrong or stupid.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is stupid.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is not religion.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would say that any kind of connection you have with eternity is fine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But when you start making up dumb rules for it, that's when we start talking about religion that I think is incredibly insane.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And dangerous.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like having this perspective towards COVID.
unidentified		And, you know, not for nothing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or a perspective towards infidels.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But not for nothing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Stay on COVID for a second.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The courts can help you with that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Did you know that?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		Don't do that.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		You said there's a way to receive divine protection from the courts of heaven.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		What must we do?
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I believe Job is a picture before he went through what he went through.
		There was a hedge around him.
		And as long as, and that means literally a protective restraining order, if you will.
		It's not some kind of flowery thing that the devil can't penetrate.
		It's a legal rendering that says you can't go past that.
		You can't touch him.
		He's mine.
		And whenever that was set in place, three things happened.
		No harm could come to Job in his house.
		Accumulation of wealth and great influence.
		Because the enemy had no power to devour that.
		Because he couldn't touch him because he was behind a restraining order of God.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Amen.
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		Fathom.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's awesome.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is awesome.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I guess what you need to do to protect yourself from COVID is go to heaven court and somehow prove that it's predestined that you're not supposed to get COVID and then get a restraining order from viruses.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know, I would recommend that Pastor Henderson read a wonderful play by Scotsman Archibald McLeish called JB, in which he much better explains the point of the book of Job and how to go about interpreting it from an existentialist point of view.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's quite good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure he's going to put that on his reading list.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I will tell you what the point of Job wasn't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That there is a court system that both God and the devil abide by as though there were a higher power the two of them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It would seem to imply that, wouldn't it?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It would imply that there is a level of power that both God and Satan bow to because it's a legally binding document.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just amazing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I didn't expect this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, like, I just wanted to hear about speaking in tongues.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That would have been great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Instead, I learned about a bizarre judicial system that exists.
		So he's on two days.
		Robert Henderson's on two days.
		Oh, God.
		And so the first day is mostly getting off track into the courts of heaven.
		And I feel edified that I have learned about it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I've learned some things.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Some things.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They have been learned.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I wanted to still learn about the speaking in tongues, though.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I find that to be something that I'd love to see demonstrated.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, speaking in tongues is a great scam.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's one of the best.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would have loved to, spoiler alert, they don't end up doing any speaking in tongues, but I thought it might be fun if this guest started doing it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can't do it on command, otherwise people will know you're faking it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think this guy can do it on command.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can't do it on command because otherwise people will know you're faking it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can't do it on command because, you know, in the wrong audience, someone might say you're faking it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Somebody might point out this is faking it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So there's two things that appear to be speaking in tongues according to this conversation that they have on the second episode.
		And one of them is what we would understand as speaking in tongues.
		Speaking what could appear to be gibberish.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The angel's language, and then it is given to someone else within the congregation to interpret it and spread their words to the people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's that, and then there's also like you end up speaking sometimes in known languages.
		Like you could end up speaking just some other foreign language that you don't know.
		Right.
		And so that's one end of it.
		But there's another end of it.
		And it's what this Henderson fella describes kind of like, it's like praying in tongues.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I actually found this incredibly fascinating because what he's describing is essentially just having a mantra.
		He's just talking about meditation with a mantra.
		So here's him a little bit on the subject.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		The truth is, if I didn't have the gift of tongues, I wouldn't have a prayer life for me personally.
		Because have you, and I would just ask even your audience, have you ever tried to spend any amount of time praying at all?
		It's one of the hardest things you'll ever do.
		I remember back when Larry Lee was so popular and teaching us to pray for an hour.
		I was like, I started in trying to pray for an hour, and I thought, it's got to have been 30 minutes.
		It'd been like three minutes.
		It was like one of the hardest things.
		But because I knew, because I was filled with the spirit and I could speak in tongues, when I didn't know what to pray, because that's actually what it says, I could begin to pray in the spirit.
		And then out of my prayer in the spirit, understanding would begin to unlock, and I could pray in English, and I'd pray in the spirit some more.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All I can hear is the description of the challenges of meditation.
		You know, because it is kind of like boring if you're not used to it to sit in quietness for a long period of time.
		But one of the things that is advantageous about having a mantra is that there are words that don't necessarily mean anything in your primary language.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because things that have like a sentence that has a meaning to you, if you think that, then your brain will actively be thinking that.
		Whereas if you think or chant or repeat something that doesn't have an intrinsic meaning to you, you have a better ability to let your mind settle and let your thoughts roll as opposed to grabbing onto the thoughts as they happen.
		This is something that's pretty basic meditation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if they could get David Lynch on TM.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's very.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It sounds a lot like transcendental meditation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's basically the same thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's exactly the same thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, hey, you put enough new agey bullshit in there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they'll get a little something out of it and they'll give you some money.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Praying in tongues is what it is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, just put it in there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, much like meditation, whenever Henderson needs a little bit of clarity, he goes and he prays in tongues.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just meditation.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		And so if I'm feeling discouraged, I'm feeling overwhelmed, I can start praying in the spirit.
		And what happens to me is all of a sudden it's like the fog clears and a new perspective starts to come.
		And I move from doubt and fear back into faith.
		I mean, that's what happens to me when I pray in the spirit.
		And I begin to tap that unseen realm because this is what I believe.
		I believe tongues is an entry point, is an entry point that we go through a gate into the supernatural realms of God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		See, this is all fun, but like if you were, if this was like a Hindu person saying this or like a Buddhist, they would be like, this is evil, the devil, this is awful.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I do, as somebody who has had stretches of time where I've been more active in meditating than currently, certainly not at the moment.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've experienced some of the benefits that are similar to what he's saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, like that calm state you can get into definitely feels supernatural at times.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it reminds me of there's a book called A Pilgrim's Way or The Pilgrim's Way, if I recall correctly.
		And the idea behind it is just there's a dude.
		He's like, what does it mean in Thessalonians when God says pray without ceasing?
		And then he goes on this journey and talks to a bunch of wise men about it.
		And ultimately, he's just like, oh, the prayer should be essentially your heartbeat.
		You know, the way you breathe in and breathe out should have something to do with mindfulness, essentially.
		So, you know, through the whole Christianity mythos, he gets to the same place that Buddhism gets to or that Hinduism gets to with that meditation of controlling and of mindfulness.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's something interesting about that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's not what they're engaging in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not even a little bit.
unidentified		Nope.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
		Contract law.
		I was looking for examples of Robert Henderson talking about when he spoke in tongues.
		And here's an example of it.
		And I found this to be uncompelling.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		You can try to explain it to people and all that.
		Once you experience tongues, it's like, oh, now I understand.
		I will never forget, I was in a prayer meeting, and I was leading the prayer meeting.
		And so I was leading this prayer meeting, and we were all praying, and there was a guy from Haiti that happened to be in the prayer meeting.
		And so as I was praying and doing, when we got through after about an hour, he walks up to me and he says, Do you know French?
		Because I speak French in Haiti.
		And I said, no, I barely speak English.
		And he said, well, he said, every time you would finish praying in the spirit, you would say shittem.
		He said, do you know what shatim is?
		He said, it's French for I love you.
		So you were telling God in French, the French language, I love you, every time you would finish whatever else you were saying.
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's so amazing.
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		You know, I've heard that story so many times.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have heard that one or similar stories.
		I have a couple thoughts.
		First, shitem is not really exactly how you'd say jetem.
		Jetem.
		I think the pronunciation is a little bit off.
		It also is a sound that you might just make like, shatem.
		You know, like it sounds like something you might do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It also sounds like maybe if you were screaming about how Satan is evil, then somebody might hear you end a sentence with Satan their own way.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And also, as somebody who took French in high school, like jetem is more like, I like you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jador is closer to I love you.
		I don't know.
		I don't find this compelling.
		I think that if you were just bebopping and scatting a little bit, you might come up with shatam.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, no, there's no doubt if you've ever been to those like religious experience kind of places.
		You know, I've been into a God camps where I've felt the Holy Ghost and stuff.
		But that's the same thing that happens with any large crowd as you start to feel the energy.
		You get the same thing at a fucking music festival.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, there's like sort of like a collective energy or whatever.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's a there's a an experience.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		So we get back to praying in tongues here and we learn that this is how our friend Robert came up with heaven's court.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		So when I'm praying in tongues, I'm praying in tongues.
		I'm not having to think about it because it's just flowing out of my spirit, but it lets my mind be free to think about that scripture.
		So I'm praying in tongues and thinking about that, and all of a sudden things just start unlocking, and I start seeing revelation from that scripture that can be life-changing.
		And that's what happened with the court of heaven and many other things that the Lord's allowed me the privilege to teach.
		But it has its source in my prayer language.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he was just basically meditating and came up with the idea of heaven's court and then decided it was a revelation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is what happens when an entire generation grows up with illegal marijuana.
		Because if this guy was just smoking weed and he had this idea, he'd be like, that was a hilarious idea, guys.
		This was really great.
		Let's get something to eat and we will never speak of it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What if I base a career on it?
unidentified		Exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Everyone around him is like, don't do that.
		And he would have friends because, you know, he's got weed.
		That'll be great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but then they'd be wrong because he's, I mean, I can tell.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's got a scam going.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Pretty good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's got a comfortable scam, but he has to live with the Baker family, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he lives there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't live at morning.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, he has to live with himself.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Emotionally, he has to live with the fact that he is hanging out with the Bakers.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		So another thing that's very Interesting within this is the universal truth that we always find that any of these fucks, it's a movie, it's always a movie.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		But when I pray in the spirit, I used to tell people this: I said, to me, praying in the spirit, and we're all old enough to remember the old Batman series when Christian or Gordon would pick up the red phone and go straight to the bat cave.
		I say, praying in the spirit is like that bat phone, it goes straight to God with no interruption.
		I said, It literally is a hotline, a hotline to God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's like the bat phone.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, that seems to imply that other prayers, just normal prayers, are like they go to an answering service.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, if they're not in the court, then they're not in the official docket.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty wild.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, God doesn't always check his inbox first thing in the morning.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Look, I'm bad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm bad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, hey.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		What?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You think you're better than God?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I think God's better than me.
		If God exists, his email inbox is at zero.
		I find this to be a little bit silly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Now, it is always funny to me that whenever we really get down to all of these weirdos comparing everything to movies, like if you go back and look at all of the culture that they compare everything to, it was almost 80% and above made by people that they would despise and hate.
		You know, like all of their cultural touchstones were made by the very people they are trying to destroy now.
		And they have no way to figure that out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it's the same thing with like Lori wishing she was 65 so she could get Medicare.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's the same shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I want to enjoy all the stuff that you guys make, but I don't want to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we have one last clip here, and it's Lori asking if a very important question, I would say.
		And that is like, you know, these demons, can they understand it when you speak in tongues?
		Like, if you're praying in tongues, can the demons understand you?
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		So is it true that when you pray in the spirit, you're praying with your heavenly language, that it's going like you were just talking about Batman and it goes straight to God.
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		So can the enemy, can Satan understand that prayer language?
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		I don't either.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
		I mean, I don't have scripture and verse for that, but he does say we speak with the tongues of men and of angels.
		And so I would say, and someone told me, I agree with this, that when you pray in tongues, you're speaking, you could be speaking in a known language that you don't know.
lori bakker ▲ ● ▼		Right.
pastor robert henderson ▲ ● ▼		Like I spoke in French and didn't know French.
		Or you could be speaking in an archaic language that used to be in the earth, but it's not here anymore.
		Or you could be speaking in the tongues of angels.
		And I tell people, I say, be very careful about criticizing what a tongue sounds like.
		You might be insulting an angel.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You got to be careful.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't fuck with the game.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If someone is speaking in tongues and it sounds a lot like gibberish, don't say that because that could be angel language.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And also it could really fuck the whole thing up for us.
		If one person, you remember, have you ever heard that story about that king who wasn't wearing any clothes?
		You know, everybody, as long as everybody was like, yeah, he's wearing clothes, nobody cared.
		But what's that asshole?
		It's like, hey, he's not wearing any clothes.
		Everybody's like, yeah, you're right.
		He's an asshole.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Can't have any of those kids.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Can't have any of those fucking kids around.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I think, I mean, I don't know how worthwhile any of this was, but I thought there was literally no chance that I could resist telling you about Heaven Court.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Heaven Court is too good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The joy and the mirth.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's just too good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that's what I would like to bring some of that happiness into the world to negate the negative feelings that I have about everybody tweeting that goddamn stupid Alex Jones meme.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan, can devils understand the meme, though?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Can I take Satan to court for that meme?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What damages would you like, Dan?
		Does God get to decide the damages?
		Is there a jury award?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Can I also add this?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		One of the things that I felt was not at all adequately discussed.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that's why I need to watch more of this guy's content.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What if you don't get what you want?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Does that imply that it's not predestined, so it's not in the book, so there was no prophecy for you to take to court.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or is it possible that you go to court and God says, nah, can you lose a case in heaven's court?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He never really addresses this.
		Now, I don't think it's a good idea to get bogged down with all these little nuances.
		Don't you just want a court where God tells you that you're a good boy?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, hey, I do think that when you're talking about heaven's court, let's get in the weeds with the legalese of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How do you create a God that's perfect and yet still has to go to court?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I will say that conceptions about court are generally really bogged down with specifics and technicalities.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Those are the things that are really important to the law.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so I kind of would like to see a little bit more of that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What are the major precedents?
		That's what I want to know.
		Does God respect Brown v. Board of Education?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Is there anything that's been overturned that?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would like to know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God's still fine with segregation, I bet.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		According to these guys.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		According to these guys for sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So yeah, we'll be back.
		I'll get back to Alex Jones on Friday, but I just had to kick the can down the road because it's a bad couple days.
		But until we are back, we have a website.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's KnowledgeFight.com.
unidentified		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We are on Twitter.
		It's at Knowledge Underscore Fight.
		Not GoToTobed Jordan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can also find us in the docket at Heaven's Court.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you can.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We'll be back.
		But until then, I'm Neo.
		I'm Leo.
		I'm DZX Clark.
		I'm Daryl Rundas.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for holding.
unidentified		Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a first Tim Caller.
unidentified		I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I love your work.

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