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Sept. 6, 2021 - Knowledge Fight
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#593: September 2, 2021

#593: September 2, 2021 dissects Alex Jones’ baseless COVID-19 claims—like VAERS as a "sniper targeting system" and fabricated FDA documents—while Dan Friesen debunks his misrepresentations of Pfizer’s twice-daily pill trials, vaccine safety data, and Israel’s stats. Jordan highlights the risks of wealthy figures (e.g., Joe Rogan) endorsing unproven treatments like ivermectin, which Alex absurdly calls "Nobel Prize-winning." Jones pivots to attacking China’s LGBTQ policies as CIA propaganda, contradicting his usual anti-government stance, before blaming Apple’s Tim Cook for hacking his phone. The episode reveals Jones’ relentless conspiracy peddling—tying vaccines to heart attacks, the "Great Reset," and demonizing leftists—despite factual corrections, underscoring how fringe rhetoric thrives on fear and misinformation. [Automatically generated summary]

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alex jones
infowars 20:48
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dan friesen
01:01:30
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jordan holmes
22:10
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donald j trump
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Speaker Time Text
donald j trump
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang me are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
donald j trump
Dan and Jordan.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the airplane for all of us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fifth ten colour and like here's fan.
alex jones
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
alex jones
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes, like I said, around the worship of the Elder of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
alex jones
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
alex jones
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
donald j trump
Quick question for you.
alex jones
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is actually something I've been waiting quite a while to be able to be a bright spot.
And that is, as of this morning, I have sent out all of the buttons that have come into the email address that we set up for the buttons.
Nice.
I have finished sending out probably, I think I probably made about 4,000 buttons sent to various countries around the world and all the states of the union.
Yeah, it took longer than expected.
The demand was higher than I anticipated.
But plugging on through it, we reached this point.
And I know that there are some people who have sent in emails late.
And I know that there are a couple of messages that went to the places that aren't the dedicated email address.
And I'm going to try and regroup and get those last stragglers taken care of eventually.
But I'm not rushing.
I have completed what I set out to do.
jordan holmes
I'm really proud of you.
I'm really proud of you.
That's the type of thing where, you know, you could have been like, I've done 2,000.
I'm not doing another 2K.
But you fucking pulled it in all the way.
dan friesen
And early on, you were taunting me about how I bid off more than I could chew.
Generally speaking, you were saying, oh, no, did you do that again?
Oh, no, this isn't going to work.
And yeah, one of the things that really motivated me is the idea that I can sit here and press these buttons and put them in envelopes.
And eventually the effort that I was putting in was going to translate to somebody being happy when they went to their mailbox.
And like, I know maybe not everybody, maybe not everybody, it didn't brighten their day.
jordan holmes
Maybe it was just a thing.
dan friesen
Like, oh, cool.
unidentified
I got a button.
dan friesen
But at least some people, it probably brightened their day.
And that means a lot.
Like, this podcast isn't going to last forever.
We're not going to be doing this forever.
And when things end, I would much rather look back on the time that we spent and the effort that was put in and think about stuff like that.
Like, isn't that nuts that we spend all this time making these buttons just to send to people?
jordan holmes
So great.
dan friesen
Instead of like, oh, I negotiated an ad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So I want to thank everybody who was interested and created that demand for these buttons and allowing me to be able to experience that process of giving that gift out to you folks.
Thank you so much.
And, you know, if you haven't gotten one, don't send me a message now.
Wait a while and then you can send me a message.
jordan holmes
Buttons will open up again eventually.
dan friesen
Well, there will be something.
Yeah.
Anyway, what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is a bright spot in a dark spot.
You know, we talked a little bit.
I've had a pretty bad, depressive episode for the last little bit, and all came to a head Friday.
But my bright spot is my partner is so supportive and so kind and helpful and has really helped me get through it a lot, you know, better than I would have been otherwise.
You've been incredibly helpful as well.
So that's my bright spot.
dan friesen
It's sort of a dark spot with a bright hat.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, it's like all too often and it's like a dark spot with a bright fake nose and glasses and a mustache.
I know people appreciate being open and honest about mental illness.
So it's like it's one of those things where, you know, you do your best.
And then part of that is you do give people around you an opportunity, you know, to be supportive or to choose not to be, you know?
And when somebody does choose to be supportive, it's such a good thing.
And it's a good thing to gift them the opportunity to do that instead of just suffering by yourself in silence.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Generally, most people aren't going to respond to vulnerability by hurting you.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
But you think they will.
dan friesen
You think they will.
jordan holmes
I'm at my weakest.
That's when they're going to kill me.
dan friesen
And I think they're not going to kill you.
You'll survive whatever they do.
And then you could choose not to associate with it with them.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
But yeah, that is being around people who are, you know, you're able to, that helps a lot.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's an incredibly bright spot.
It really is.
dan friesen
That's great.
Yeah.
And onward and upward.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
To infinity.
And at least on the surface.
dan friesen
Somewhere around infinity.
Not beyond that, though.
jordan holmes
Just a regular.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have a present day episode, September 2nd, 2021 Black.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
I was way off.
dan friesen
This depressive episode.
jordan holmes
Not good.
It's feeling good.
My time is off.
Off.
dan friesen
I wanted to do this because we've been in the past for a bit.
And also, Clip made the rounds of Alex.
Yeah, there was a clip of him taking Ivermectin on air.
No, it went on.
jordan holmes
He did not do that.
dan friesen
He did.
jordan holmes
What fucking morons do we live in the same world as?
dan friesen
He's very defensive.
unidentified
Does he have anything that he needs to take Ivermectin for?
dan friesen
Well, see, we're going to learn a lot over the years.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's got COVID.
dan friesen
I'm not going to say that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He might.
Horse worms.
Okay.
jordan holmes
That's possible.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that made the rounds.
And as is generally the case, you know, when a clip goes around of Alex Jones, one of the things that I like to do is check in, see if it's something worth talking about.
And usually it's not.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Usually it's something that's like, this doesn't add anything to our conversation.
I think this is one of the rare instances where it's like, this is a clip that went viral.
And also, there's something that people are slightly missing in there that is definitely worth talking about.
jordan holmes
Awesome.
dan friesen
So we're going to do that today and so much more.
But before we do, let's take a little moment, Jordan, to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Lauren, spelled L-O-R-I-N, who also loves Jordan's cackle.
Thank you so much.
You're an out policy walk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Lauren.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, this Alex character seems sketch just here for the sex robots.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy won.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, not mad at the crew in Colorado.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy walk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
That sounds like sleepless in Seattle.
jordan holmes
Not mad at the crew.
dan friesen
That would be a great.
If I was going to get another tattoo based on the show, not mad at the crew.
unidentified
Not mad at the crew would be mad at the crew.
jordan holmes
That's a good one.
dan friesen
That should be on Alex's family crest.
Next, Tyrus, I hope your recent shedding went well.
Your heat rock away to you, goddamn glorious lizard king.
Thank you so much.
You're an out policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Alex Jones is just a far right.
Alan Partridge, thank you so much.
You're an out policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
And we got a technocrat in the mix.
So thank you so much.
And hello, and what up to Nox, N-O-X?
Knox.
jordan holmes
Knox.
dan friesen
You're not a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crocky mate, that's fantastic.
Have yourself a brood.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full-tailed buggy on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare info war on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Nox.
jordan holmes
Yeah, thank you very much.
Yeah, that sounds like a British countryside pronunciation of Noss.
So it's like a fast guy.
I feel like everybody makes fun of him for the Fort Knox thing, but that dude can drive.
Fast and fury.
dan friesen
There was that character, Nox, with an X or with a K in front of it.
K-NOX.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're right.
dan friesen
On the, what was that, the third season of Heroes?
It was played by the guy who played Marlow on the wire.
jordan holmes
Marlowe's cool.
dan friesen
His power was that he was able to sense fear around him, and the more fear that was around him, the stronger he got.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's the worst power I've ever heard.
dan friesen
It was such a dangerous power that he was on the like the level, the lowest level of like security, heightened security deep underground under Primatech paper.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
alex jones
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
Seems like you could just.
dan friesen
That show fell apart.
jordan holmes
It seems like if you were like, oh, this guy feeds on fear, you could just be like, oh, if I relax, I'm pretty cool.
dan friesen
Well, I think that's how Mr. Bennett would approach the situation.
alex jones
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
But the lay people don't know.
jordan holmes
They don't know.
dan friesen
They're going to be afraid, and that's going to help him.
jordan holmes
That's what's the guy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a sneak attempt.
dan friesen
He was down there with the guy who could do like Sonic Booms.
jordan holmes
Well, if the Sonic Boom guy wasn't afraid of him, the Sonic Boom guy, he's got no chance against the Sonic Boom guy.
dan friesen
And then I think Siler broke everybody out and then stole power.
unidentified
I don't remember.
jordan holmes
Don't worry about it.
dan friesen
Anyway, today.
Also, a little thank you and a big thank you both.
One of each.
To Auntie, A-N-T-T-I, out in Finland.
All right.
In the honor of Celine, Auntie donated to protect the Saima Ringed Seals.
I don't know if you know about these seals.
jordan holmes
No, I do.
dan friesen
First of all, they're very cute.
jordan holmes
I believe that.
dan friesen
Second, there's only like 400 of them left in the world.
alex jones
Damn it.
dan friesen
And they only live in this one lake in Finland.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
They only live in one lake in Finland?
dan friesen
Yep.
So donating to help keep them going is a very nice thing, and Celine appreciates it.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
She says meow.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
Thank you so much.
On behalf of Celine.
dan friesen
Jordan, we got this episode to go over, but first, here's not a context drop from today's show.
alex jones
Oops.
dan friesen
That's it.
jordan holmes
All right.
Okay.
I would like him to say that more.
dan friesen
I just wanted to introduce that into our drop catalog as a clean drop.
alex jones
Oops.
dan friesen
Oops.
So we start here with this first clip, and it's Alex talking about some Trump news.
We got some Trump stuff going on.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, Trump stuff.
dan friesen
All right.
alex jones
Before I play a clip today of President Trump coming out a few days ago and saying, you know, Pfizer really runs the FDA and the governments of the world.
And people ought to look at Pfizer and the booster shots.
So he's starting to edge up towards taking on the fraud.
He knows he's been set up, and he needs to do it.
That will take Trump from being A figure pushed off to the side, still getting some good Republicans elected, still has incredible power to being the populist he was meant to be.
People will forgive him in a moment.
Well, that's conned by Fauci and others, and then lying to him about the vaccine's efficacy.
dan friesen
So, when I first heard Alex talking about this, and I was listening to this episode, I assumed that this clip he was talking about of Trump was this one from mid-August that Alex has talked about incessantly.
And it was Trump calling into the Fox business show Mornings with Maria, hosted by Maria Bartaromo.
Alex, like I said, he's just banged that gong so many times since Trump and Maria talk about vaccines, and Trump speculates that the booster shot is a scam on the part of drug companies to make more money.
jordan holmes
Great, good work.
dan friesen
He said that because he's an idiot, and he doesn't care if his followers die.
Correct.
Notably absent from that clip is Trump saying that Pfizer runs the FDA or the governments of the world, which is what Alex is talking about here.
So that's my first indication that maybe there was a different clip, and it does turn out to be a different clip.
Okay.
But I wanted to play a little bit of the Bartaromo clip that Alex never plays.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
And then there's something that I do still think is worth talking about.
alex jones
Okay.
donald j trump
Nobody has talked to the FDA like I did.
They don't like me very much.
We have a vaccine, and it's saving millions of lives throughout the world.
I think we'd have a Spanish flu situation like in 1917.
jordan holmes
It's your fault!
unidentified
We do.
donald j trump
I believe that.
And we're, you know, maybe 100 million people, 50 million, 100 million people like that.
So I'm very proud of the vaccine.
I've taken the vaccine.
I'm very, very proud of it.
dan friesen
From that clip, it sounds like Trump was super proud of the vaccine because he said it twice.
jordan holmes
He did say super proud twice.
dan friesen
And his beliefs don't really match up with Alex's stupid conspiracies at all.
According to Trump, in a part of a Fox News interview that Alex will censor from his audience, the vaccine is great, and without it, COVID would have killed 100 million people.
jordan holmes
Correct.
dan friesen
This isn't the rhetoric of someone who's been set up.
These are the words of someone who's two steps behind his own grift.
In many respects, I think what Alex is saying there is accurately assessing the problem, but I don't think that Alex can speak frankly about what the problem is.
Trump's base is past this shit now.
And galvanizing around fears that Pfizer is making money off booster shots, that's not going to get anyone excited at this point.
That could possibly work in the mainstream Republican types, but the movement that Trump was leading and dragging whatever mainstream Republican types there actually were along with it, they've moved on to the next stage where they're one step away from violence.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The escalation that's gone on.
jordan holmes
They're not one step away from violence.
They are there.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Some of them.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
The escalation that's gone on in terms of people disrupting city council meetings and school boards and the way this behavior has been cheered on and incentivized with attention on social media, that's where the grift is now.
And then the extreme fringes of it or the roving gangs you see in the Pacific Northwest.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
These dicks yelling at school boards don't want to talk about Pfizer's profits.
They want to yell about bioweapons and the spirit of humanity that won't accept tyrannical martial law or some shit.
In order for Trump to regain sway of the populist movement that he was the head of and he almost inspired to overthrow the fucking government, he needs to meet them where they are.
They're not going to meet him where he is.
And if he insists on that, he'll be exactly what Alex is saying.
A figure pushed off to the side, still getting some Republicans elected.
The movement that followed Trump didn't follow him because they actually thought he organically held any worthwhile beliefs or had a good understanding of policy.
They just recognized that he was willing to go where they already were, and then they could push things further.
Trump gained fans by pretending to be the champion of whatever dumb-dumb right-wing thing they were mad about that day.
And it really worked from anti-SJW stuff to free speech on college campus adventures to big tech censorship to hating the media.
He just went wherever they went and it worked.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He was king shit poster.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And now, Trump has been out of office and not useful to the hard right folks for at all, for months.
He was a disappointment to them after January 6th, and he literally did nothing to get himself or any of them back on Twitter.
As if that wasn't enough, he's now completely misread the room and he's trying to encourage people to get vaccines, which is like if he'd gone up in front of his followers in early 2016 and said, you know, when you get right down to it, feminists have some pretty valid points.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
He doesn't get the game, and it could be his undoing if he's actually thinking about running in 2024, like some have suggested.
If he doesn't come out and tow the extremist line, he's not going to have an actual base.
That's just not the scam doesn't work with him being like, oh, you need to come to me.
He has nothing to offer unless he comes to them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You know, this is starting to sound exactly like when Trump tried to get into football and sued the NFL for a full dollar and then lost everything.
So that sounds right.
dan friesen
I just, you know, I think that that clip that Alex is playing, you know, it's not the right clip, but this point is really salient, I think.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And that absolutely.
And I think that Alex is totally right that Trump is not going to get his shit back.
jordan holmes
True, true.
dan friesen
If he doesn't do what they demand.
jordan holmes
Yep, exactly.
dan friesen
If he doesn't cave to the extremist demands, he will not be their leader.
They will find somebody who's as charismatic as him, probably less embarrassing, and will go along with it.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
You got it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
When you make a mob, you don't wind up leading it.
You just become a part of it.
Or they kill you.
That's how mobs work.
dan friesen
Or you have to dance really fast.
Yeah.
Because you have to keep up with the desires of the mob, the will of the mob.
Yeah, it's a mess.
jordan holmes
And you have to give them everything they want, or they will toss you under their feet.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And create reasons why they were right to do that.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex is a busy bee.
He wants to make sure that you know that he does a lot of work.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
And let me explain something to you.
I stayed up till two in the morning last night with this stack of news and information that's right here.
Two in the morning.
My wife went to bed about nine o'clock.
Children went to bed about nine o'clock.
Went to bed early last night.
And I stayed up till 2 a.m.
And then I got in here about an hour before the show.
And I haven't even had time to go back through all of this.
I mean, I tried in the last hour.
I'm going to have to, during breaks and things, go back through it because it's so bombshell.
dan friesen
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Right?
Wow.
dan friesen
Like, who cares how often you're up till 2 in the morning?
I don't give a shit.
jordan holmes
You know, I know.
I don't know.
I don't know this for sure, but I'm pretty confident that Alex is the type of dad who has wandered into his kids' room at 2 a.m. and been like, wake up.
You got to watch this movie.
You got to watch this movie with me while he's absolutely shit faced.
That's totally true.
dan friesen
Or he's wandered into his kid's room at 2 in the morning and been like, wake up.
You need to take Ivermectin.
alex jones
There's a bomb coming.
jordan holmes
Wake up.
Wake up.
I'm paying on your bed this time.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or he's up at 2 in the morning and he watches a YouTube video.
He's like, I've been up till 2 working.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I'm very impressed.
jordan holmes
I did a thing.
dan friesen
So impressed.
Yes.
So Alex talks about vaccine side effects and how there's monitoring that goes on about them.
And this is really just the globalists trying to know if they've hit the target.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This is such bullshit.
alex jones
And I want to explain when they show the number of deaths after you take a vaccine or they show the number of hospitalizations or heart attacks or blood clots.
That's like crosshairs on a rifle when the sniper pulls the trigger and then uses the optics to see if he shots you or not.
Or it's like the gun camera on a F-16 recording of its sidewinder missile hits the other aircraft.
To John Hopkins, they know about the deaths.
They know about the heart attacks.
To them, that's a targeting computer.
And so they're watching just like a B-17 pilot would have a bomb site on their aircraft.
And then they're releasing bombs as they go over different targets.
jordan holmes
Give three more examples.
alex jones
And then seeing if they hit their targets.
And then radioing back to the squadron behind them.
Okay, we hit that target.
We didn't hit that target.
So go ahead and re-hit that target or don't re-hit that target.
I mean, that's what they're doing.
These are targeting systems.
Imagine the movie Predator.
dan friesen
Okay, this is really stupid, and it comes entirely from Alex's imagination.
When Alex is talking about the reports of deaths after vaccination, he's talking about people misusing data that they take from VARES or the vaccine adverse event reporting system.
We've talked about VARES a little bit in the past and how it's really difficult to take raw data from the system and reach any solid conclusions based solely on that.
But I don't think we've done a good enough job of discussing exactly why that is the case.
So VARES is inherently a passive data collection system, which is to say that the FDA and CDC, who operate it in conjunction with each other, they don't make any efforts to collect data that's captured in that system.
It's wholly up to individuals and healthcare professionals to report adverse events in this way.
The thing that's important to understand is that the FDA and CDC don't only use VARES data to monitor vaccine safety.
It's just a thing you hear the most about because it's the easiest thing for idiots like Alex and his friends to pull numbers from, then present out of context on Facebook in hopes of making your parents suspicious about vaccines.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The CDC has an active arm of its program to monitor the safety of vaccines, one of the largest parts of which is the vaccine safety data link.
This is a collaboration between the CDC and nine huge healthcare organizations where concerns raised by VARES data could be explored in a construct that's more meaningful for making scientific connections between things.
And then the FDA has their own programs in place, such as the post-licensure rapid immunization safety monitoring system.
PRISM for short.
This is a monitoring program that has been used many times to investigate possible vaccine interactions and side effects once it's already been released into the market.
jordan holmes
Okay, so you're saying that the VARS is almost more of like a when the like anecdotal evidence, if they get enough anecdotal evidence, they're like, maybe there's something here.
And so then they'll put it in the middle.
dan friesen
They have other techniques to explore it.
jordan holmes
To fit like actual, yeah, yeah, okay.
dan friesen
So when information comes out of these other more active programs, it's usually press releases where they've done in-depth reviews of possible connections between a vaccine and a condition and found no link.
You'll essentially never hear someone like Alex bring these programs up, however, because their studies are much harder to misrepresent than random out-of-context VARS data.
I like this line here from a 2015 article in the journal Vaccines and how they put it.
Quote, VARES is primarily a safety signal detection and hypothesis generating system.
VARES data interpreted alone or out of context can lead to erroneous conclusions about cause and effect or the risk of adverse events after vaccination.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's the way to look at it.
This is a hypothesis generating and safety signal detection system.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
No government or organizational system is perfect, but there are layers upon layers in place of people trying to keep us safe that we don't even know about.
There are countless people who have made it their lives work to pour over data on things like Prism or the vaccine safety data link, not to make sure their bomb hit the right target, but to be able to respond as quickly as possible if a public health measure has led to an unforeseen result.
Right, right.
And I just find that the way Alex is presenting this is really stupid.
He's not really looking at the picture as it exists.
It's just as it exists in his imagination.
jordan holmes
I would prefer.
dan friesen
It does a disservice.
jordan holmes
I would prefer if instead of staying up till 2 a.m. pretending to research things, he stayed up till 2 a.m. writing better similes.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
You know, like, that would be nice.
You know, like how Churchill, all of those quotes, he wasn't a good extemporaneous speaker, so he would write all of that stuff with a lot of people.
dan friesen
He would have fight that model.
Exactly.
jordan holmes
And then he'd go out and say it, and everybody like, holy shit, how did he say something so good?
He's been writing that for years.
dan friesen
I wish Alex would stay up till 2 in the morning working on his Churchill impression.
He does it quite a bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
I think he should just take a writing class.
Ooh, that would be interesting.
See what he could come up with.
jordan holmes
I wonder if I could teach him how to write.
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
I wonder if I could teach him how to read.
dan friesen
Probably not.
alex jones
Yeah, you're a good point.
dan friesen
So Alex has got some news about Israel.
alex jones
Israel has the most deaths and the most illnesses and they're the most vaccinated in the world of any large country.
And it's heart attacks in 12-year-olds that are taking the shot.
It's heart attacks in 25-year-olds, totally healthy.
I mean, people are dying.
People are just excruciating pain.
Their hearts just swell up and bust open.
dan friesen
Kaboom.
None of this is based on anything.
jordan holmes
Isn't Israel like at 44% or something?
dan friesen
No.
They're the 100th most populous country, a populous country in the world.
And according to New York Times data, which is just reporting from Johns Hopkins data, Israel is sitting at an overall vaccination rate of 61%.
Their adult vaccination rate is higher than that, but it's not the number one in the world.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Here's a possibly incomplete list of countries that have higher populations than Israel and higher vaccination rates.
The Netherlands, the United Kingdom, Canada, Spain, Belgium, Portugal.
Currently, the United States has the highest number of average daily cases, and it's not even close.
We're also way ahead on average daily deaths.
Now, if you only look at the statistic of average number of daily cases per 100,000 persons, then Israel is at the top of that list, but it's not as much of a blowout as our various number one spots.
Israel is going through a little bit of a bad stretch right now with the Delta variant, and their experience has shown very clearly how the vaccines are very effective, but also not a perfect solution.
In late July, they began rolling out booster shots for people over 60, but the thing I see a lot of folks recommending is masks and returning to a bit more caution.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, and also the thing I just saw that somebody had done an independent study of excess deaths.
And so countries with, let's say, mad dictators like the ones that Alex likes have been under-reporting their COVID numbers for a long time.
So that's a big thing.
dan friesen
There are some issues that will take a while to sort out on those fronts.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So most of the points Alex is trying to make about Israel's infection rate is just him playing games with stats.
But the bigger point is that the specific claims he's making are just not backed up by anything.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there's a bombshell that Alex has.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
All right.
What's the site on that?
Is he using a B-17 bombshell or is he using a Sidewinder bombshell?
dan friesen
It's like the movie Predator.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
I have, when we put the headline up for today's show, CDC documents that the CDC put out themselves.
jordan holmes
Idiots.
alex jones
That have been hiding in plain view where they admit heart attacks and micro-card artists and all the rest of this in their own admission.
So the show headline today is absolute global bombshell.
jordan holmes
That's a bad show headline.
alex jones
FDA, top FDA scientists have now come out and admitted that the COVID-19 vaccines are poisoning adults and children.
Esther's the headline, breaking mega bombshell.
dan friesen
Wait, I thought it was the CDC documents.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he said CDC documents.
dan friesen
The CDC released it.
He said CDC twice.
jordan holmes
He said CDC twice.
dan friesen
So now the headline is a bombshell about FDA scientists admitting that the shot is killing people.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
I'm confused.
Well, this is a bombshell.
jordan holmes
The CDC's bombshell is different from the FDA's bombshell.
dan friesen
I mean, it must be.
jordan holmes
It has to be.
unidentified
Right?
jordan holmes
Which one are we concerned about?
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But Alex does start talking about these FDA scientists.
And man, this sounds dramatic.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Now, remember, this is the other gigantic issue.
I'm going to go over all this today.
Two days ago, the number one and number two scientist at the FDA over vaccines, the head of the vaccine program and his deputy.
One's been there 35 years, one's been there 12 years.
They're the head guys.
They're pro-vaccine people.
They said, hey, you can't have the CDC in the White House running this.
You shouldn't give it to under 12.
And we're against these booster shots.
It's not going to work.
That's going to discredit us.
And they said, we don't care.
And the head of the FDA who approved OxyContin previously and fentanyl, talk about a monstrous woman.
By the way, four children.
I forgot that part.
Just always gets worse.
She overrode them and said, we're going to say it's an authorized shot.
dan friesen
If you just heard Alex's version of this story, that sounds like really high drama.
A couple of higher-ups in the vaccine department try to tell the truth to power.
And then the power mad woman in charge who wanted to give fentanyl to kids wouldn't hear it.
And they overruled it and said, no, we're going to pretend everything's fine.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
That sounds like a plot of a movie.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
There's a little Game of Thrones going on there.
dan friesen
The woman Alex is referring to is Janet Woodcock, the acting head of the FDA.
She was recently ruled out as Biden's nominee to be the head of the agency, so she won't be in that role very long.
For what it's worth, the issue here is that there are very serious concerns about Woodcock's time as the head of the Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, the wing of the FDA in charge of approving new drugs.
Many have levied criticisms that she did not do enough to protect the public from the opiates that were approved during her tenure.
This is awful, and she should be held accountable for the decisions that were made under her leadership.
But even so, it's a pretty far cry from what Alex is claiming she did.
According to Alex, she wanted to give Oxycontin and fentanyl to children.
jordan holmes
Yeah, jam it in there.
dan friesen
For one thing, most brands of oxycodone are not approved for use in people under 12.
Most fentanyl prescriptions are for very narrow situations, particularly breakthrough pain and cancer patients who are, quote, already receiving and who are tolerant to opioid therapy for their underlying cancer pain.
And it is not indicated for use in persons under 18.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
There's some very serious concerns about the FDA's handling of the opiate crisis, but when you cover that story by saying that this evil woman wanted to give fentanyl and oxycontin to children, you're making an ass of yourself, and you guarantee that your audience will only have access to a bullshit version of the story that's useless in terms of helping resolve the actual underlying issues that the story presents.
You're making their ability to deal with reality impotent.
And that's the point.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You got it.
dan friesen
Anyway, the main story Alex is talking about was this head of the FDA vaccine stuff and his deputy, right?
That's what the main story was.
We just got caught up in a side character who wanted to dose our kids with fentanyl.
jordan holmes
God, damn it.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is about Dr. Marion Gruber, the director of the Office of Vaccine Research and Review, and Dr. Philip Krauss, the deputy of said office.
jordan holmes
All right.
Well, unfortunately, if your last name is Gruber, you are from Die Hard the End.
dan friesen
Well, and also Dr. Gruber's a woman.
Alex kept referring.
jordan holmes
Because it's Hans Gruber's daughter who's come back to head the FDA.
dan friesen
Alex repeatedly referred to Dr. Gruber as a man.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Anyway, secondly, Dr. Gruber announced that she was retiring after being with the FDA for 32 years and that Dr. Krauss had opted to leave as well.
The exact reason for their departure hasn't been announced, but one unnamed source cited in a politico article claimed they, quote, left over differences with FDA's top vaccine official, Peter Marks.
You see, Dr. Marks is the director of the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, which is the umbrella underneath which the Office of Vaccine Research and Review exists.
Alex has conveniently decided to cut Marks out of the story because he complicates things and because Alex doesn't actually know anything about what's going on.
He just skimmed this politico article and he wrote up his own fan fiction about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
It's way better.
dan friesen
Here's how you can tell what Alex is doing is a skim job.
The headline of the article in Politico is quote, Biden's top-down booster plane sparks anger at FDA.
And then the sub-headline is, quote, Acting FDA Commissioner Janet Woodcock sent a memo Tuesday evening to vaccine regulators reiterating her support as frustration over the process spreads within their ranks.
If you all had all you had to go on was that blurb of information, your mind might turn it into a situation where these two bold scientists said the booster vaccines wouldn't work and then they were shot down by this evil Dr. Woodcock who wants kids to get hooked on fentanyl.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You can see the first stages of the building blocks for Alex's narrative in that headline and subheadline.
But if you actually read the article, you see that there's more texture to this story than his coverage is allowing.
There is a very real possibility that the two doctors' departures do have something to do with disagreements over the vaccine booster program.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
But their concerns are nothing like what Alex is pretending they are.
There are various valid criticisms that we've discussed here about how booster shots are not necessarily the best allocation of resources when dealing with a community-level issue as we are right now.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It very well may be that it's a great strategy on an individual level, but that's not always the main variable that you're concerned with.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We're dealing with spread.
We need to look at this as a community issue.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would only reinforce the two different vaccine, vaccinated, unvaccinated Americas.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, and take it internationally as well, other countries that are in need.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
In this politico article, they bring up some other valid concerns, which have to do with the White House seeming to take the lead and making declarations about timeframes that have not been fully endorsed by the FDA.
I can definitely see that being an issue for regulators within the FDA, and I've left jobs for less.
I don't know if we can definitively say exactly what the situation is, but there's some indications that there's some ununiformity here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, that's interesting.
This is one of the few times where if I were one of those doctors, I would be like, who the fuck are you, President Biden, to tell us when science works?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, you're just a fucking president.
Shut up.
dan friesen
Well, and I could also see being in the position you're in and refusing to leave during the beginning of the pandemic.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Even if things are being mishandled and Trump is coming out and being like, hey, why don't you take this weird hydroxychloroquine?
Isn't that fun?
Right, right.
You know, because, you know, it's all hands on deck.
And granted, we're not out of the woods right now, but it is a little bit different.
And if you have a difference in the steps that are being taken moving forward, it might now be a time where you could make a decision where you're like, I have to resign.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think there's probably a really complicated situation that these doctors are engaging with.
And I look forward to learning more about it.
But based on the information that's available now, these are the best speculations that we can make based on one anonymous source that was listed in a Politico article that Alex didn't read.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
The important thing to focus on here, though, I think, is the way that the reporting Alex is doing on air, it's essentially a dramatization of what he thinks happened based on skimming a headline.
That's the level of analysis that goes on on Alex's show.
And then once that's done, he takes that and makes stuff up about it.
alex jones
And the two top scientists have gone public saying in their resignation, we are mad about the authorization.
It's not a real authorization.
We're mad about the boosters and we're mad about children.
We said don't do this and they did.
That's hidden in the fine print.
Instead, it's like, oh, they're just mad about the booster schedule and when that was going to happen.
No, that's the distraction.
And everybody took the bait and just went with the booster issue.
That is not as big as we've been bypassed.
They shouldn't have done the emergency authorization saying that's an authorization and it's attacking children.
dan friesen
So, I mean, he's just making up with these concerns and like he's almost creating a fictional resignation letter that everyone's ignoring or something.
It's not real.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I remember I did check out Dr. Reiser's resignation email where he said he was mad about you.
dan friesen
Oh, Paul?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
alex jones
I think.
dan friesen
All right, whatever, man.
It's just not fair.
You just can't just, you can't create like primary sources like this.
He's got enough in there.
unidentified
Yeah.
Like, ah, everyone's ignoring the fake thing.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They are.
alex jones
Yes.
jordan holmes
It's not real.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It doesn't exist.
unidentified
So I wanted to play this clip.
dan friesen
And one of the reasons I wanted to play this was because I almost didn't play this.
And I want this to live as an example of like, this is something that I ignore.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is something that just rolls off my back.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
And it is something that I was like, I don't have time.
alex jones
They've done trials now experimentally on children.
And it hurts them.
It kills them.
These babies are having convulsions.
Babies are dying with their freakozoid liberal parents all getting off on it being on the national news.
This is child sacrifice.
This is Munchausen by proxy.
This is sick.
This is a demonic spirit.
Ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
Stuff like that.
It goes on on his show all the time.
And it's just like, who cares?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you really believe that liberal parents are taking babies to get vaccinated.
dan friesen
As a satanic, demonic sacrifice.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
What do you say?
dan friesen
Yeah.
But that's very extreme stuff.
And it is just the kind of thing that I end up listening to.
And I'm like, ho-hum, another day of the office.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's wild.
jordan holmes
A lot of people go into work all day and they never hear about babies being murdered by all the doctors in the world.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They never hear about it.
dan friesen
I am so primed for like the devil to actually make me a deal because I'm so bored by the idea.
If the devil showed up to some random person and be like, oh, no, it's the devil.
For me, I'd just be like, I've heard about this so many times.
Come on, man.
Hey, Devil, I'm good.
jordan holmes
What deal do you have for me?
For me, what is it?
dan friesen
Just bored.
Bored by the devil.
jordan holmes
I'll give you riches beyond your imagination.
Man, I don't have the imagination for riches.
What do you want?
dan friesen
Hey, Devil, you want to help me make some buttons?
jordan holmes
No deal.
Just buttons.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I ignore stuff like that.
And it's fun to just take a step back sometimes and think about like, well, that's so the cut.
That's what's on the cotting room floor.
jordan holmes
Yep.
That's normal.
dan friesen
So Alex decides he's going to play a clip of this guy who's giving a speech about how his son died because of the shot.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Sure, it's just one of the latest videos.
Man's son dies of enlarged heart right after the shot, which they admit it does.
And they wouldn't give it a VARS report, though, a Ver's report.
So remember, it's about 100 times what they're telling you.
It's probably a million dead in the U.S. alone.
And we've had whistleblowers come forward and expose that, and they're just getting started.
Here it is.
dan friesen
So I have legitimately no idea how this person wouldn't be able to make a report to Verz.
Like, I was poking around prepping this episode, and I could have easily filed a fake VARES report online in about two minutes.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, they probably have a contact us button.
dan friesen
Yes, they don't check anything because that's not what the database is for.
Right.
It exists so scientists can spot trends and form new hypotheses that they can use other data sources or experiments to test.
I don't believe that this guy somehow couldn't report to Veris, and I have no idea how any whistleblower could possibly quantify how many reports aren't being made to a completely voluntary reporting system that can be accessed from any computer.
This all seems like some Alex Jones bullshit, man.
As far as this guy and his son go, I'm not going to engage with this story any further outside of saying that I don't believe that he wouldn't be able to report it to Verz.
Anecdotal stories and cases of deaths that can't even be proven to have been caused by the vaccine, that's not compelling evidence of anything.
And, you know, I feel bad.
Like, the guy's son died, presumably.
jordan holmes
That's awful.
dan friesen
It's awful.
jordan holmes
That's awful.
dan friesen
And his death coming after a vaccination doesn't prove anything about the vaccination.
No.
jordan holmes
If he was in a car accident after the vaccination, they would have been like, well, the vaccine was messing with his brain, and that's why he died.
It wouldn't matter whatever happened.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
He got the vaccine and then shortly after he died, so it's exploitable.
And that's all that matters to Alex.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So you've got this clip of this guy talking about his son dying because he got the vaccine.
And then here's the next clip that Alex decides to cover.
alex jones
All right, let's go now to a priest talking about the devil is overplaying his hand.
I totally agree.
jordan holmes
The devil's overplaying his hand.
unidentified
The devil is overplaying his hand.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Alex reported that correctly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does seem like it was quoted accurately.
dan friesen
Yeah, so this is a really common phrasing that's used in some weird Christian circles.
There's a preoccupation with convincing congregations that this time the devil has just gone too far and made everything way too obvious.
This time, all the people who couldn't see the magical things you're seeing are finally going to realize that you've been right all along.
For instance, here's a dumb-dumb preacher on Jim Baker's show back in 2018.
unidentified
I believe that the devil overplayed his hand in New York.
alex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
I believe what we're going to see happen is that this overplaying of the hand of the devil, it actually is going to secure President Trump the independent vote in 2020.
alex jones
Amen.
dan friesen
It's a way of reassuring people that your beliefs, though people look at you as if you're crazy for thinking the devil is manipulating your enemies.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're actually right.
And this proves it this time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The devil overplayed his hand.
jordan holmes
There's absolutely no way you can believe in any of what your religion stands for and also believe that the devil can overplay any hand.
That's not possible.
Again, again, again, your religion states that this is how it happens.
And to imagine that the devil is going to make a mistake in the world.
dan friesen
The devil's going to make a whoops.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what?
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
To quote the devil.
jordan holmes
Oops.
dan friesen
It's going to come in very hard.
jordan holmes
That's useful.
dan friesen
That's very useful.
See, yeah, I think the overplaying the hand thing is just a way of like, you know, appealing to people's insecurities.
jordan holmes
We're going to win.
We're going to win this time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The clip that Alex is playing is something that one of his employees found posted on TikTok.
It was a little video posted on a count called RJ Richmond, who just seems to post clips of someone who appears to be a Catholic priest giving sermons.
This is a fella named Ed Meeks.
It turns out that he is actually a Catholic priest in Maryland, but I ended up digging around a bit too much.
And in doing so, I discovered an aspect of Catholicism that I didn't know existed.
Apparently, there's an entire branch of Catholicism called the Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter, which exists to cater to people in the United States and Canada who want to be Catholic, but also want to hold on to some aspect of the Anglican church that they're converting from.
This pastor is in that camp, which I guess is okay.
I just didn't know that existed.
There's like a half and half version of Catholicism.
jordan holmes
Great, cool, cool.
That means we believe in the Bible for sure.
dan friesen
Anyway, the point is that Alex is reporting on a video that someone found on TikTok of a dude preaching about the devil.
And this is not hard-hitting news.
jordan holmes
No.
No.
dan friesen
I don't know why this show exists.
jordan holmes
No, the devil has overplayed his hand, Dan.
See, you can hear it in this.
And now, if you wanted to say the devil has overplayed his hand, I would suggest that convincing all of these Catholic priests to tell people that, don't worry about it, the devil's fine.
We're going to beat him this time.
That would be the devil's way of tricking you into a false sense of safety.
And then that's when he comes in.
dan friesen
Right, but the devil's got to tell.
He licks his lips.
That's how you know.
jordan holmes
So does Ed Meeks.
Ah?
alex jones
Ah.
dan friesen
The devil licks his lips, and that's how you know he has two pairs.
So if you have trips, you're fine.
jordan holmes
You got it.
You got it.
unidentified
Thanks, Jesus for those trip aces.
alex jones
What's the Bible verse?
Maybe you guys can pull it up.
The devil goes around like a wild beast roaring, seeing who he may devour.
Because the patriot is either going to get to a place of safety or is going to take on the wolf.
Take on the beast.
But a Satanist, a leftist will grovel or fall down on their back.
unidentified
So it raises this show is really good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's good stuff.
dan friesen
Good.
jordan holmes
Hard hitting news.
He stayed up till 2 a.m. for that kind of information to drop on you.
Bombshells left and right.
Absolute global bombshell.
Why do we spend so much time documenting his noises?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I love it.
dan friesen
I think his noises are maybe the talked about how he was one of the world's most respected voiceover artists until he started criticizing Obaba.
unidentified
Oh, man.
dan friesen
I don't disagree that that is one of the places where he has the most talent.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That is true.
dan friesen
Except for the Fentanyl the Dragon character.
That's just racist.
jordan holmes
That's no good.
dan friesen
You know, he could do a decent Optimus Prime.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He could do a decent he would have been a great guardian of the galaxy.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Star-Lord.
jordan holmes
Star-Lord would never have been the same again.
alex jones
So good.
dan friesen
So, Alex, beyond knowing how to growl and, I guess, say that patriots can beat the devil, but leftists, Satanists can't.
jordan holmes
We just love the devil.
dan friesen
He also knows what the globalists' plans are.
And he'll tell you eventually.
alex jones
Because the globalists have a plan.
I know what it is.
jordan holmes
Is it a different plan?
alex jones
I'm going to talk about the next segment, but here's Trump.
donald j trump
And I learned things.
The FDA is virtually controlled by Pfizer.
Pfizer has control, not Johnson and Johnson, not Moderna, but Pfizer has control over the FDA.
alex jones
Oh, that's a different clip the guys found.
I think I sent it to you till 2 a.m.
Trump.
Oh, well, we have the other one.
Go ahead and roll the other one here, Dush.
donald j trump
They pause.
You know, Johnson ⁇ Johnson is a great company, but it doesn't do as well as Pfizer with government.
The people running Pfizer have a great relationship, let me put it that way, with government.
Do you notice now they're coming in with boosters and this and that?
Pfizer, what they did.
alex jones
Yeah, Pfizer runs the whole thing worldwide, ladies and gentlemen.
Pfizer runs the whole globalist program.
It's the key one.
It's the Magnati.
It's the Pimp Supreme.
dan friesen
The Pimp Supreme.
jordan holmes
That's something that has been a part of every plan that he said the globalists have had, right?
dan friesen
Certainly.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I feel like it's weird that Alex is surprised by that clip of Trump saying that Pfizer basically runs the FDA, considering that's what he reported at the beginning of the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and then the second clip only implied that Pfizer.
dan friesen
Well, no, the second clip implied that they're good with government contracts.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like that there's some closeness in terms of they do well with government.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Which, sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They have good lobbyists or something like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
There's close relationships with...
Sure, that doesn't mean they run the FDA or the governments of the world.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Wherever the fuck Alex is reporting.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
This just sounds like a guy who is a little bit, like I said at the beginning, he's behind the scam.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's behind the grift.
He thinks that this insinuation game is going to lure the extremists to him.
And instead, he is only signaling to them in a way that is going to be impotent.
And here's what I think will happen.
jordan holmes
And make them angry.
dan friesen
Probably.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And give them reason to think that he's in on the scam.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Exactly like they've said he was on and off the entire time.
dan friesen
Because if he's signaling to these extremist folks who have, you know, their belief is that Pfizer is trying to kill everyone with a deadly vaccine.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And if he's signaling that he's aware that Pfizer runs the FDA and is in bed with the government and stuff, and he's not doing something about it, then he's facilitating, either by active decisions or negligence, the killing off of the people with this Pfizer vaccine.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, the only conclusion you could draw from those types of clips is like, you were the president, you approved the vaccine, you got that going, you're in on it.
dan friesen
Well, even that, you know, even that, you might be able to pretend that he's like, oh, he's been tricked or whatever.
But now.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No.
dan friesen
You're still Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and they can get rid of him now.
They don't need Trump.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
But you could still do a whole lot other than tease people about like, hey, you know, I hear that Pfizer's real good with the government.
I've learned something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
You know, you could be a little bit more assertive.
You could be, you could take some actions as opposed to just talk shit.
jordan holmes
I'm always amazed at how quickly our press just is like, all right, well, you were the president.
Now you're not anymore.
So we don't need to worry about all the stuff you did.
Just like, hey, you know what, Trump, yeah, sure.
It's due to you and your government that all of these people are dead.
But you're not the president anymore, so we'll just have you on for a quick interview.
dan friesen
We'll give you a sound.
jordan holmes
I think it's a tough box to open because once you start holding presidents accountable, boy, everything goes crazy.
dan friesen
I'm not saying we shouldn't, obviously, but it's tough.
Oh, yeah.
And I think the media is aware of that.
Yeah.
And yeah.
So this next clip, Jordan.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
I feel like this is dangerous.
alex jones
This is a death cult.
This is a eugenics cult.
Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, they all say they want to kill you.
They all say the cut is there.
You will never reverse the Great Reset.
The end of industrial society is here.
It will cleanse the earth and end the poverty and war and hunger by 2030 because they plan to kill the vast majority of everybody by then.
They've written books.
I've shown you the quotes.
Do you understand how much danger you are in?
You are under bio-weapon attack.
Synthetic bio-weapon attack.
And you look at the left, how pale they are, and how green-skinned they are, and how zombie-like they are, because they have turned their spirit over to the spirit of death.
Their sacrament is abortion.
Their sacrament is human-animal cloning.
Their sacrament is degradation of their bodies.
Their sacrament is turning themselves over to just hating themselves and hating you.
dan friesen
So when I hear stuff like this, which is fairly routine on Alex's show, it's really hard not to think of the lessons that were learned after the Rwandan genocide and how radio demonization did play a role in turning people against their neighbors.
jordan holmes
You betcha.
dan friesen
I don't think that Alex's reach is nearly what it would need to be.
But this is the kind of behavior that is in the same ballpark.
It's obviously not equivalent, but it's in the same ballpark.
You're taking a group of people and you're creating demon zombies out of them who exist only to be taken over by this evil force that wants to kill you and your family.
And there's no end of this road that isn't bad.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, if anybody compares the left to Nazis or the like, how do you get more Nazi-ish than a law that has you reporting gender traitors for a bounty?
You know, like, give me any situation where that is allowed to run rampant for two years and it doesn't wind up with women getting murder charges and then being executed.
Like, that is straight up, real life, 100% Nazi shit.
No jokes, no fucked around, just Nazis in Texas run the government.
dan friesen
That whole situation is almost too bizarre even for me to feel comfortable covering it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know what I mean?
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, and Alex didn't bring it up on this episode.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, of course not.
Yikes.
dan friesen
But what he does bring up is more evils that Pfizer is bringing into the world.
alex jones
And so now I've got the article overheadshot, please.
Pfizer is now developing, Infowars.com, has a story posted, a twice-per-day COVID pill that must be taken alongside vaccines.
And they're saying your app will show, you'll have to videotape yourself scan with the phone, proving you've taken it.
And you better not have any drug avoidance.
So THX 1138 is here.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
I hate it when THX 1138 is here.
dan friesen
I regret to inform you, THX 1138 is here.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
Pfizer is working on some clinical trials on an antiviral called PF07321332, which this is in addition to a trial they did in July.
They're waiting on results, so we're not entirely sure how effective this drug is.
The way that this drug works in theory is that it blocks the enzyme that the coronavirus uses to multiply.
At the same time that these trials are going on, Merck is also doing trials on a drug called Mulnu Piravir, which works by, quote, introducing errors into the RNA of the virus that eventually prevent it from replicating.
This isn't surprising, nor is it a bombshell that pharmaceutical companies would be working on different approaches to solving different aspects of a gigantic global problem.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Vaccines are good and they help a lot, but what if you add vaccines to help on a community level and then you develop good antiviral medications that can be used on an individual basis and for people who get sick or to protect people who can't get vaccinated?
alex jones
That would be even better.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, this really is already a thing since remdesivir exists and is an approved antiviral treatment.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know why this god is ridiculous.
jordan holmes
It is sometimes, you know, like just like with that clip of Alex being like, ah, they kill babies or whatever.
And you're like, eh, fuck it.
You know, sometimes it is amazing to hear that they're just you we live in an era where they can make a pill that fucks with the RNA of a virus.
What the fuck?
That's crazy.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
Sure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And that's a thought that you have.
And it's like, wouldn't it be a much more valuable use of time to discuss like the amazing breakthroughs of technology?
alex jones
Incredible.
dan friesen
Wouldn't that be great?
Or like when you're talking about this, like, you know, misrepresentations of VARES data, like actually understanding the structure of active and passive monitoring of public health stuff, like we would bring so much more to people's lives to like actually understand that, but it's boring.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You don't get a dopamine rush out of it in the same way you do like, oh, they're going to kill everybody.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
And so you're disincentivized from learning about those things.
jordan holmes
I know, but sometimes I get an adrenaline rush from like, holy shit, look at that shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, but we're different.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we are.
dan friesen
We're weird.
jordan holmes
We are weird.
dan friesen
So Alex is trying to paint a picture of a world where everyone has to accept all these shots and then record themselves taking two pills a day or else they can't leave their home, but that's complete bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's insane.
dan friesen
The trials for Pfizer's drug are being given to people with confirmed diagnoses.
So the goal is to see if they can develop a drug that's effective as a treatment.
Conversely, the Merck drugs testing is aimed at seeing if they can develop a preventative type of medication.
This trial is going to involve people who live with someone who has a lab-confirmed symptomatic case of COVID.
And the goal is to determine if the drug has an effect on whether or not people get it at all.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
The horror that Alex is describing better fits the Merck pill, but all of Alex's evil nightmares are already built up around Pfizer.
So I guess he's just sort of pretending this is all the same.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you might as well.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, who's going to be like, oh, no, sir, Alex, it's Merck instead.
Nobody.
Nobody.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, that dopamine rush that you get from that fear and that excitement is diminished by actually looking into it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So people tend to not want to do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you get it.
dan friesen
It takes away the good feeling.
Yeah.
So anyway, women.
jordan holmes
What about them?
Still doing?
Still going?
dan friesen
They're accepting tyranny.
jordan holmes
I mean, if you live in Texas, yeah, you sure are.
dan friesen
This clip is dumb.
jordan holmes
Oh.
alex jones
The new pill is expected to be released by the end of the year and will be required to be taken twice per day.
And notice the people adopting this are women worldwide because they think the government, the media, and big tech are their friends.
And so the media says men shouldn't be assertive.
Men shouldn't be the leader of the household.
And she says, so you see the women hopping around, ordering their husbands around who step and fetch it.
But then when the app from the big tech Govall tells them when they can go out and how much meat they can have or if they can have a child or allots them a trip, they're like, just and my uterus is being cut out next week.
I'm bleeding out.
I'm 25, but it's liberal.
Oh, I took my shot.
jordan holmes
Oh, I had a heart attack.
alex jones
It's so liberal.
And so that's how sick this is.
dan friesen
I like to retract what I was saying about Alex doing good voices.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was terrible.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
You know, I do like the idea of being married to a man who thinks all women are weak and dumb.
That's great.
That sounds great.
dan friesen
And they're being tricked into pretending that they're equal with men because the media is making men.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
There's nothing better than a relationship where one person thinks you're useless and terrible.
dan friesen
And if you get a little bit too confident in yourself, that's only going to lead to the globalists tricking you.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yeah.
You cannot have confidence in yourself if you're a woman.
Otherwise, you'll be taken advantage of it.
dan friesen
Unless you're confident in your position of being subservient to men.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
As long as you've got a man telling you what to do, you will be fine.
Why don't women understand that?
Could it be all of human history?
dan friesen
I find this a little bit much.
So Alex has this damning CDC document that he's brought up.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he hasn't really talked about what it is yet.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And maybe it's FDA something.
I'm not entirely sure.
I'm very confused.
jordan holmes
Either way, absolute global bombshell.
dan friesen
Based on how he's presented this so far, I've been very confused.
alex jones
I'm going to open the phones up at 15 after next hour, but I'm going to hit this really big story that I've mentioned in the first two segments of the next hour.
The actual CDC document from October of last year, where they list heart swelling, heart attacks, strokes, cancer, death, liquefaction of the uterus off of what their scientists were telling him what happened.
Now you know why the two-head virologist quit two days ago.
dan friesen
At this point, Alex doesn't actually specify what the documentary he's referring to is, so I was left to try and find it on my own.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I was able to find an FDA PowerPoint presentation from October 2020 that was about, quote, plans for monitoring COVID-19 vaccine safety and efficacy.
This is just a breakdown of the various passive strategies like VAIRES and active strategies like PRISM that the DA and CDC would be employing to monitor how the vaccines are working.
It explains another initiative, the FDA BEST system, which stands for Biologics Effectiveness and Safety.
I guess the T is just implied in that acronym.
jordan holmes
Yeah, just silence.
Safety.
Boy, you guys got to work on that.
dan friesen
The BEST system works by compiling data from emergency rooms as well as insurance claims covering the policies of hundreds of millions of Americans in order to track how many adverse events are being seen and what sorts.
This is a really effective active monitoring strategy that they can use in addition to self-reportage through things like VAIRS.
The presentation covers how there are multiple approaches because no one system really can capture a lot of the stuff on its own.
And each has strengths and weaknesses, particularly when one of the large objectives is respecting patients' rights and privacy.
Anyway, page 16 of this, the 16th slide, is a draft working list of possible adverse events you might see.
But Alex hasn't been specific enough yet, so this probably isn't the document he's talking about, right?
I mean, like, that would be pathetic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would be really sad.
dan friesen
It'd be really sad if he thought that this proved anything.
jordan holmes
Really sad.
dan friesen
Boy, I hope we don't end up finding out that this is the document that he's talking about.
jordan holmes
Oh, that would be terrible.
There's no way that that could possibly happen.
0%.
unidentified
Yeah, but we don't know now because he doesn't get specific.
dan friesen
Instead, we have to get to the biggest news in the world.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So Rogan.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Joe Rogan.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He made a lot of news.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Because he came out and said that he had COVID.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that he took Ivermectin along with literally everything else.
jordan holmes
Yeah, He's a giant dum-dum.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex needs you to know a few things.
The first thing that he needs you to know is that he knew about Rogan before you did.
jordan holmes
Well, of course he did.
dan friesen
He knew about it.
jordan holmes
He gets texts all the time.
Right.
dan friesen
And also, Rogan's not so special.
alex jones
Down.
And the left all freaked out.
Joe Rogan, I talked to him a couple days ago.
He says, hey, don't tell anybody yet.
I'm going to make the announcement.
He said, man, I went to Florida, went to a show, thought I was hungover.
And man, then I had these sweats and fever.
And I sure as hell went and got tested and had COVID.
But then I took ivermectin and all the rest of it.
And man, I felt a lot better the next day, two days later, basically totally better.
He was waiting to see what the treatment would do until he talked about it.
But, you know, I talked to him after he'd already been on it for a day and was already feeling a lot better.
He said, yeah, we talked about ivermectin, not great.
It works.
And I know some people very close to me that had it again.
They said it felt like a gorilla was sitting on their chest.
And as soon as they took ivermectin within like five hours, they felt better.
I mean, even closer to me than my parents, I know someone that had COVID.
But I deprive the media of that announcement.
I don't know why.
I mean, of course, I had it too, and I took it and knocked it out in like a day.
I mean, if I gorilla was on my chest, I woke up and was like, whoa.
And I went and got tested, said I didn't have it, but that's because it's a new spike protein.
See, that's another big thing.
This is mutating.
And so it doesn't say it's the same virus.
They just call it COVID.
dan friesen
So I had COVID too, and I took ivermectin.
I was cured too.
Now, granted, I took a test and it was negative.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
I was going to say, I believe he did not have COVID.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
So somehow he took a test and was okay.
dan friesen
Well, I think that this is just convoluted.
I have no idea what the reality of this is.
Like, I have no idea.
Certainly, his behavior would suggest somebody who's at high risk of contracting COVID.
His behavior has been very unsafe over the course of this entire pandemic.
So if he were to get it, I would not be surprised.
If he were to get it, I also think that he has access to pretty good health care and would have all the things that Joe Rogan would have access to as well.
The monoclonal antibodies and whatever kind of emergency use treatments people are trying.
jordan holmes
Hey, if you're rich and sick, you'll probably be okay.
dan friesen
I think it's possible that he did have COVID.
And I also think it's possible that he didn't based on him saying that he took a test and he was negative.
So that's weird.
But I also think that I totally believe that Alex would be jealous of Joe Rogan's attention.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
And be like, not only did I know about his diagnosis before all you did, but I actually did the same thing that he did before he did it.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And I just didn't want to tell the media.
But now that I see the proof of concept that people are enjoying, Rogan, I did it too.
unidentified
Yep.
Yep.
dan friesen
I did it too.
jordan holmes
Yep.
It is attention.
dan friesen
I don't know what the reality is.
I could see it all being true, honestly.
jordan holmes
I could see him being vaccinated too.
I could see it all.
It's all possible.
dan friesen
All bets are off.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because he's not telling the truth to anyone ever about anything.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's very confusing, but I do find it funny that he's getting on air and being like, all right, fuck it.
alex jones
I had COVID.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The jig is up.
I have been denying everything for so long.
So I lied about it.
I could see that.
dan friesen
Now, not only that, not only did I recently have COVID, but also.
alex jones
And I had COVID a year and a half ago as well.
And it was very, very mild then.
This was stronger.
This was more intense this time.
And that's why I looked at the statistics and the numbers, and I knew last year was way overblown.
dan friesen
Oh, so he had COVID a year and a half ago, too.
So you've got it twice now.
This is interesting.
Also, it seems like maybe if a year and a half ago you got sick and it was mild and this time it was a lot more severe.
It seems coincidental or interesting or maybe not coincidental that your coverage is last time it was fake and this time it's real.
jordan holmes
It does seem like that's weird.
dan friesen
Whatever you're personally experiencing is being applied to the entire world.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Much like a gigantic narcissist might do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it sounds something, it sounds somewhat familiar.
dan friesen
Boy, it is exactly in the pattern of the way Alex Jones behaves.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
It's hard to look at any of those like list of signs of malignant narcissists and not be like, one, one, one, one, bingo, we got them all.
dan friesen
I think he even creates new symptoms, too.
Like, he's mutated.
jordan holmes
He's the delta variant of a narcissist.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
He's so creative with his narcissism and so enabled.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is.
It is.
He really, it does.
It does remind you of a mutated virus, doesn't it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
No one has seen fit to contain this.
So it's narcissism.
Yeah.
Lambda strain.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Omicron.
jordan holmes
Garbage.
Show off your Greek.
dan friesen
Zeta.
That's right.
People mispronounce Zeta.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's Zeta?
dan friesen
Zeta.
unidentified
Ah.
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
I did not know that.
Oh, my God.
Okay.
dan friesen
So, Alex has enemies that make up things about him.
I think he's talking about us.
jordan holmes
You think so?
dan friesen
I think so.
Okay.
And that's why he didn't want to tell everyone that he had COVID twice.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
And I got a lot of enemies that always make stuff up and add things and things.
So I never got into it.
And it was a while back that this even happened.
And so I've explained to the crew and I explained to everybody else, you're not going to escape it, and you're going to get sick again unless you just overload yourself with vitamins and minerals.
And I'm taking ivermectin prophylactically now because you can basically take this stuff all the time and it's anti-cancer.
And I get it from a doctor.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
In fact, guys, will you go in my office?
There's a big brown paper bag and bring it to me, please.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
This is falling off the rails.
jordan holmes
It's a big brown paper bag.
dan friesen
This is getting not good.
All right.
jordan holmes
I didn't tell people a year and a half ago I had COVID because I knew that dumb podcast would really shit all over me for a long time.
Like, really shit all over me.
Like, that screaming guy would have screamed for a long time about how fucking stupid I am.
dan friesen
It's really tough not to hear that that way.
It's really, really tough.
jordan holmes
It kind of is.
dan friesen
Or even like to take us out of it.
Like, it would have really hurt a lot of the arguments I was making back then if people had known that I had COVID.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Now, I'll say the amount of dunking that would have been done would have been astonishing.
dan friesen
Now, the second part that I need to really, really highlight here is that he's saying that he told people, you're not going to escape this as you're going to get it or whatever.
By not disclosing that he has it and going to rallies, going to anti-mask protests, going to that grocery store in Florida where everyone didn't wear masks.
All this stuff, he is essentially making a decision for the people around him to expose them to it.
He's making this decision that you're not going to escape it for them.
And that's fucked up.
That is beyond disgusting behavior.
I don't know if all of the people who work at Infowars were aware of his diagnosis and the fact that he could have exposed them to it.
But if not, I think they could probably sue him.
jordan holmes
Totally.
100%.
dan friesen
I think it's an unsafe work environment that Alex consciously created.
And his denial of the risk doesn't actually mitigate the risk.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
So I think that this is just him admitting he's a horrible person.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He's a nightmarish person who is possibly directly responsible for the death.
dan friesen
And he doesn't, it's clear that he doesn't respect other people's ability to make informed decisions.
If he's lying about whether or not he has it or lying by omission, I don't know the timeline of when he had it, but he obviously didn't quarantine himself.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, not just that, but you think, shit, he had it at the same time he's telling people to go rip off people's masks from their faces.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
You know, like if you...
dan friesen
And screaming at people in stores if they ask you to wear a mask.
jordan holmes
No, that's fucked up.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's really fucked up.
dan friesen
Now, the only other thing I can think about is like, maybe he did actually get sick at some point and quarantine himself because it takes a lot of vacations.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
That is true.
There have been weeks where he's gone.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So maybe one of those was him covering.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, what is that called?
Oh, that's lying.
jordan holmes
There we go.
That's right.
No, I thought Alex was right about everything.
dan friesen
No, he's a liar.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Anyway, he gets really cocky about how he's got ivermectin now.
He's taking himself.
He's taking it prophylactically, which is totally cool.
It's totally cool.
alex jones
I'm taking ivermectin prophylactically now because you can basically take this stuff all the time, and it's anti-cancer.
And I get it from a doctor.
In fact, guys, will you go in my officers a big brown paper bag and bring it to me, please?
Not that one.
jordan holmes
The one with the ivermectin.
alex jones
And just bring it to me.
I got a whole bag of it.
You want to see it?
So, remember, these murdering criminals don't want you to know that.
All right, we can't stay on air without your support.
One of our big sponsors is mypillow.com.
dan friesen
Oof, oof.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Oof, oof.
jordan holmes
Wow.
unidentified
This sucks.
jordan holmes
I can't.
I mean, on the other hand, I can absolutely see the doctor that's willing to take Alex Jones as a patient just being like, you want a shit ton of ivermectin?
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm not going to stop.
dan friesen
I get my ivermectin from a doctor.
His name's Dr. Ed.
jordan holmes
I know.
Thanks.
Are you going to mock my Paul Reiser joke and then pull a Mr. Ed out of nowhere?
dan friesen
Payback.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
alex jones
One to one.
jordan holmes
This is a tie ball game.
dan friesen
I just think this is really silly that he's getting really defensive about ivermectin and then doing a pivot to a My Pillow ad.
jordan holmes
So sad.
dan friesen
Also, during the My Pillow ad, I don't know if it's the copy that he has to read, but he always is like, they have amazing human beds.
Because they also sell like dog beds.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay, great.
dan friesen
But just specifying human bed is always sticks out.
jordan holmes
That's a weird, weird way to describe it.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex gets this bag.
jordan holmes
You've made your human bed now lie in it.
dan friesen
He's good at lying.
So Alex gets his paper bag.
One of them has a 40 in it.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, yeah, of course.
dan friesen
The other one has his ivermectin.
alex jones
You want to see my ivermectin?
Oh, what's all this?
What's going on here?
Here.
Let's just open it up for you.
Didn't get this at a tractor supply.
Because I've been like Santa Claus taking care of everybody.
Hours a day for months.
dan friesen
What does that mean?
alex jones
Take care of people.
jordan holmes
He's been taking ivermectin hours a day for months.
alex jones
Overhead shot, please.
You know what this is?
This is ivermectin for humans.
You want a Nobel Prize as an antiviral.
dan friesen
Does that taking hours a day for like, does that mean he's doctor shopping for people?
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
I have no idea what that's supposed to even mean.
jordan holmes
It definitely means he's, it doesn't mean that he's taking people chicken soup and shit like that.
That's for sure.
dan friesen
And at the end there, Alex says that ivermectin won a Nobel Prize.
jordan holmes
Did it win a Nobel Prize, Dan?
dan friesen
In 2015, William C. Campbell, he co-won the Nobel Prize in Physiology and Medicine for his contributions to the discovery of avermectin, from which ivermectin was derived.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
It didn't win the Nobel Prize as a health supplement or as an antiviral, though, which Alex is claiming.
It was specifically about it being a really exciting anti-parasitic drug that had been discovered.
A bunch of drugs that have been able to be made from this discovery include selamectin, which is a topical parasite killer for dogs and cats, and doromectin, which is an oral drug for cattle.
jordan holmes
Oh, it sounds like it would be a really good thing for like deworming large.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what it would be really good for.
dan friesen
And killing bees taking ivermectin, believing it to be a preventative or cure for COVID is just really stupid and intensely dangerous, just for no reason.
Yeah, the CDC has reported on data from poison control centers that shows a tripling of calls related to ivermectin in 2021.
And I have to assume Alex doing this bizarre pageant where he's taking pills on air isn't going to help flatten that curve at all.
jordan holmes
No, I don't know.
dan friesen
I feel like he wants people to be like somehow offended or like triggered by this.
jordan holmes
I guess.
I guess he wants people to be like, oh my God, look at how I can't stand that he's taking pills on air.
Yeah, instead of everybody just going like, hey, man, if you want to kill yourself, go for it.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, this is dangerous, and you're being irresponsible to your audience.
Yeah.
But you've done worse.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's true.
dan friesen
I guess your whole like last year and a half where you've just been sort of lying and pretending you didn't have COVID.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's probably worse.
jordan holmes
I really am starting to think he just wants a lot of people to die.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I struggle with that myself.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's a little bit like, it's a little bit like that impulse that some religious people have to where it's like, I will see the end times.
The world will not last beyond me.
And if it's not going to happen, I'm going to make it happen.
dan friesen
His behavior is really tough to find a coherent explanation for that doesn't involve that.
jordan holmes
Yes, right?
Right.
The end of the world is involved in whatever he's doing.
dan friesen
There's got to be something, but if you want to be lazy and just adopt a conclusion, that is one you could.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm just, I don't know, man.
It's so weird.
It's so weird to just be like defensively and aggressively taking pills on air.
Like, it really reminded me of that 2013 episode we listened to where he had a hamburger and he put all his supplements 100%.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
He poured super vitality on the burger.
Yeah.
alex jones
I'll put some of this B12 on the burger.
jordan holmes
Great stuff.
Yeah.
It just reminds me of that.
dan friesen
It's like, I don't know what I'm supposed to be experiencing, but this is funny, I guess.
This is stupid.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex starts yelling about how this is going to save him or something.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
So let me show you.
I was going to do this anyways earlier.
See this?
See this, Fauci?
You see this, Bill Gage?
I'm going to kill those prions, you bastard murderers.
You're going to hit me with a bio-weapon, you monster.
You want to suppress me?
You want to kill me, you kill?
Think I'm going to roll over to your crap?
unidentified
Uh-oh.
jordan holmes
I think there was a five-second button pressed there.
alex jones
See this, Fauci.
You see this, Bill Gage?
I'm going to kill those prions, you bastard murderers.
You're going to hit me with a bio-weapon, you monster.
You want to suppress me?
You want to kill me, you son of a bitch?
You goddamn demon?
You think I'm easy to kill?
Think I'm going to roll over to your crap?
dan friesen
Yikes.
So, yeah, that was the swear that got cut out of the radio broadcast.
But I just, I'm underwhelmed by the devil if the devil's plans can be counteracted with an anti-parasite medication that's all around.
jordan holmes
We've just started playing the Magic the Gathering game.
You know what it feels like to overplay your hand.
And I assume Satan is going like, oh, shit.
I should have tapped that mana and instead used it to create a defensive creature or something like that.
dan friesen
Sure, but that's a game.
And Alex's, you know, his belief system entails the devil having a thousands-year-long plan.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, no, I didn't consider ivermectin.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, my evil plan to put prions in everyone is counteracted by this medication.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Seems dumb.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I definitely think that.
dan friesen
It seems like the devil in his mind is really stupid.
jordan holmes
Somebody that's been there since the birth of creation right next to God would probably not be surprised by ivermectin, but who knows?
dan friesen
Horse medicine.
jordan holmes
Does that mean that God can be surprised by stuff too?
dan friesen
Must mean it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
If the devil can be, then God has to be.
dan friesen
I guess.
I would like to introduce this into the proceedings.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't care.
jordan holmes
Fair point.
dan friesen
All this is stupid.
jordan holmes
Fair point.
dan friesen
Anyway, this won the Nobel Prize for Humans, this Ivermectin, which it did.
That's good.
Well, I mean, I guess it kind of did.
jordan holmes
Is there a Nobel Prize for human beds?
dan friesen
No.
Although my pillow in the running.
alex jones
See our little cancer proteins like that.
Nobel Prize winning for humans.
unidentified
No Bel Prize winning for humans.
Nobel Prize winning for humans.
No Nobel Prize winning for humans.
jordan holmes
How would you care what the Nobel Prize is?
You think they're global?
unidentified
Nobel Prize-winning for humans.
alex jones
Oh, Joe Rogan.
Joe Rogan.
unidentified
He would drink the horse pace.
alex jones
He's stupid.
I bet he got it from Alex Jones.
They're both so dumb.
They're both going to be dead.
Yeah, that's why Joe's worth like $300 million.
Yeah, he's real stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's rich.
He can't be stupid.
jordan holmes
Hey, if you're rich, you can't be stupid.
dan friesen
That makes sense.
jordan holmes
Makes sense.
dan friesen
Also, no, I don't think that people who were saying that Joe Rogan's taking horse medicine were actually thinking that he was taking the horse medicine.
It's just that his listeners will.
He's rich.
jordan holmes
He can afford whatever it is he wants.
dan friesen
He has access to people who can get him a human pill form.
Whereas a lot of people who don't have means, can't see doctors, don't have insurance, any of these kind of things will be inclined to take shortcuts if they believe that there is some kind of a miracle cure.
And the danger of the behavior of people like Alex and Joe Rogan is that people who are in that kind of a situation in their audience may think like, oh, hey, you know what's a good idea?
I'm going to take this horse paste.
jordan holmes
That's the issue.
dan friesen
Dumb dick.
jordan holmes
A comic that I worked with a few times.
She had a joke about her dad taking fish penicillin because he was like, same as regular penicillin.
It's the same thing.
And you're like, that is not a man being stupid.
That is the end of a healthcare system is what you're looking at.
That's a complete failure of a man who's like, I can't just go to the doctor.
Right.
dan friesen
So I'll just take Pisces Silliness.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Nicely done.
dan friesen
Was that her joke?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I did punch up for this joke.
jordan holmes
I don't think you did.
dan friesen
You got to call this.
You got to call this.
jordan holmes
I don't think you did.
dan friesen
Do I know this comic?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
She's a nationally touring headline.
dan friesen
I'm going to call her up.
The icy ceiling is worth it.
jordan holmes
Get on it. Get on it.
Okay.
unidentified
Two one.
jordan holmes
I might go with zero to one after this.
dan friesen
Anyway, Joe Rogan's.
He's rich, so he's smart.
He's very smart.
Right.
alex jones
That's why he lives in a $60 million house on the river.
You left this taking all the shots and dying are the dumbasses.
He's the one that headlines with Dave Chappelle, not you.
You're stupid.
And I sure wish you'd wake up.
But you sit there calling me stupid, an independent media person that built the biggest independent media operation in the world.
dan friesen
Wait, how did this become about you?
I thought this was about Rogan being stupid, but he's not because he's rich and he has a really nice house down by the river.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now it's like you call me stupid.
Why is the defensiveness shifted over from Rogan to you?
Because this is all about you, isn't it, Alex?
This is really just about you.
jordan holmes
There you go.
alex jones
That changed the whole paradigm with my badass listeners?
Can you sit around and laugh at us?
Medical doctors gave that to me.
unidentified
It is incredible.
It helped my family.
alex jones
It helped me.
unidentified
Medical doctors moved for humans for all sorts of viral stuff.
But that murderer, Fauci, doesn't want you to know because he wants the planet for himself and he wants you dead.
Well, guess what, Fauci?
alex jones
We ain't rolling over and dying so easily, you little murdering maggot.
Do you think it's a bad trait of Mike Lindell that he's so optimistic that he's so positive?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Presented without comment.
unidentified
What a fucking spot.
jordan holmes
What a read.
What a read.
Do you think Mike Lindell is stupid for being so optimistic?
dan friesen
Do you think it's a bad trait that he is too optimistic?
Boy, that doesn't sound like something Alex improvised or wrote.
That sounds like something maybe Mike Lindell wrote.
jordan holmes
Sounds familiar.
dan friesen
Doesn't have the InfoWars voice, as you might say.
Yeah.
So Alex has taken his ivermectin on air.
We did it.
jordan holmes
The win.
dan friesen
I'm not saying that he shit immediately or anything, but he does play a special report for the next segment.
Might have been thrown up or something.
Probably not, but it's fun to imagine.
Anyway, he comes back and he's got some other news.
alex jones
So here's some of the giant developments that tie together.
This is on Infowars.com.
It's a zero-head story.
Europe's CDC breaks with Biden administration, says no urgent need for COVID boosters.
Five European countries have now suddenly said they're ending all COVID restrictions after Sweden has the lowest numbers in the world and the lowest vaccinated and just says it's all a fraud.
Now it's other European countries who have joined them.
dan friesen
So this is just the EU CDC making the same point that we keep hitting on, that boosters are not really a higher priority than making sure the wider population has access to the primary dose of the vaccine.
Their underlying statement was also that the vaccines themselves were working great and that boosters are still very appropriate for people with weakened immune systems.
Alex is just willfully misrepresenting the position and pretending that the EU CDC thinks that booster shots are dangerous.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Nonsense.
I'm not sure what Alex is talking about with five European countries ending all their COVID restrictions, but I think I might have found the article that he's misreporting.
Just a couple days before this episode, the European Council announced that there were five countries which were going to be excluded from their list of countries that were deemed safe to accept travelers from into the EU.
They are working on, quote, a gradual lifting of the temporary restrictions on non-essential travel into the EU, but some countries are seeing transmission that makes them too risky for that list.
Incidentally, the list is Israel, Lebanon, Montenegro, the Republic of North Macedonia, and the United States.
alex jones
There we go.
dan friesen
If this is the story that Alex is referring to, then the reality is actually the complete opposite of what he's depicting.
This isn't five countries giving up on COVID restrictions.
It's the EU working to gradually return to normal, and as part of that process, putting heavy restrictions on people from five countries who are not doing a good enough job respecting those restrictions.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he should be saying that the EU is putting new restrictions down.
dan friesen
That said, there are news stories periodically that pop up about countries planning to ease restrictions.
For instance, Ireland recently announced that they plan to ease restrictions in October, mostly due to the fact that they've reached 90% vaccination rate among adults.
jordan holmes
Wow.
What a good country.
dan friesen
Some of these stories are actually really interesting to look at.
For instance, Denmark is planning to ease most of their pandemic restrictions in mid-September because they feel that the pandemic is under control thanks to high vaccination rates.
Part of their easing restrictions is no longer requiring businesses to use coronavirus passports to make sure that customers have been vaccinated or had a negative test in the past 72 hours.
This is relevant because part of Alex's big argument about the pandemic is that it's an attempt to bring in these vaccine passports that'll become the mark of the beast or something, and then they'll never go away.
Because as we all know, you know this, once a government gains a power, that power never goes away.
alex jones
Nope.
dan friesen
But here we have a concrete example in the form of Denmark where they used this strategy.
It appears to have worked, been effective, and now they're going to stop with the passports because the reason they were using them has gone away.
Seems like a counterpoint to a whole bunch of Alex's real primary arguments.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, I suspect him bringing up Sweden as just him grasping at straws, and it was all that he could come up with was this month's old talking point that he's forgotten about the context for.
It's all just completely meaningless bullshit.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, it's like you hear about New Zealand and you're just like, God, you guys are doing such a great job.
Like, they had one case show up again, and they were like, lock down the country.
Lock it down.
We're not fucking doing this for another year.
One is enough.
dan friesen
You know, it's easier in smaller areas.
jordan holmes
It is.
It is.
dan friesen
And it's easier when it's an island.
jordan holmes
Way easier.
dan friesen
Per se.
But yeah, definitely.
Definitely.
There's, you know, I can't help but think of tweets that I've seen of like the government could have just paid everyone to stay home for eight weeks or whatever.
You know, like they're, we would have found a way to fuck that up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, this is America.
You couldn't, you couldn't pay people enough to save their own lives.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, the point is Alex is misrepresenting these stories out of the EU.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Whatever.
jordan holmes
What an asshole.
dan friesen
So anyway, we get back to this FDA story.
Not the FDA story that the CDC documents.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But it's the FDA story that is the people quitting.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The doctors quitting.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
alex jones
And that ties into FDA and rebellion over White House rushed booster plans.
It's not about the booster.
That was one issue.
It was about the FDA doing whatever it wants at the leadership level instead of listening to the scientist, the head of the virology program, and saying that there is an authorization of these Frankenschats, these genetic therapies, when it was never authorized and they've just re-extended the emergency authorization.
That level of fraud makes the Theranos lady look like a choir boy.
It makes Bernie Madoff look like an angel cake.
I mean, folks, this is what I'm saying.
The level of this attack and this fraud and the transparency of it is mind-blowing to me.
dan friesen
It's really hard to tell what Alex is even talking about here.
And it's hard to tell because of that whether he's lying or just trying to mislead people.
There is a distinction.
The way that I hear this is him saying that there's a fraud going on, that the COVID vaccine got full FDA approval, when in reality, it just got an extension of its emergency youth authorization.
This is the fraud that doctors Gruber and Krauss were so upset by that they quit the FDA.
That's how I heard that.
jordan holmes
That works.
dan friesen
The only drug that people have claimed has received FDA approval is the Pfizer shot.
And this is true.
It did.
It got full FDA approval, not just an extension of its emergency use authorization.
The confusion that Alex seems to be representing is that the FDA has not given the same full approval for this shot now that it's going to be marketed as Commernatty.
I hate that name.
I don't know if I'm pronouncing it right.
jordan holmes
There are so many creative.
So many creative writing majors with no work.
All you got to do is hire them to name shit for you.
It's so easy.
dan friesen
That name is a speed bump.
I just woof.
Yeah.
Anyway, the FDA hasn't approved that to be used in people aged 12 to 15, nor have they fully approved a third dose being used as a booster.
These two uses as a booster and for people under 16 continue to be allowed under an emergency use authorization, but the vaccine itself is fully FDA approved.
If Alex is trying to tell his audience that the vaccine itself hasn't been approved, he's lying.
If he's trying to tell them that these specific uses for the vaccine are still under review and only allowed by emergency use authorization, then he's not delivering that information very clearly, and it feels like he's trying to mislead people.
And it definitely, whatever the reality of the situation is, isn't conveyed by his coverage of it, which is his job.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so he has failed in that.
jordan holmes
I was going to go with talking to people who've been to heaven is his job, but.
dan friesen
Man, I missed that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was good stuff.
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
I want him to talk to somebody who's been to hell.
jordan holmes
Why don't we ever talk to anybody who's been to hell?
dan friesen
Oh, my God.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
Probably because religious people don't want to hear about it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Now I'm going to be pouring over those 2003 episodes looking for someone who's been to hell.
Colonel Craig Roberts is back.
He also went to hell.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he didn't do a good enough job with his second life.
So they had to give him a taste of what it was going to be if he fucked around with his third.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So now Alex is back to talking about the CDC document that might be an FDA document.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Oops.
FDA accidentally reveals list of COVID vaccine side effects, including microcarditis, autoimmune disease, and death.
And we're going to go to break.
I'm going to spend the whole next segment with the actual CDC document.
Oh, don't listen to evil, Alex.
Oh, you know, Reuters fact-checked this and said, Does an FDA document say it can cause problems?
Well, it said that might, not that they would, so we say it's false.
What we believe this will cause heart attacks, blood, glots, and other foreign, and then it happens.
And they're like, well, we fact-checked it.
They didn't say it would happen.
They said it could happen.
Like, hey, you inject that heroin, you might have an overdose and die.
Fact-check.
We didn't say you die.
We just said you might die.
dan friesen
I thought Alex was an expert on causal relationships and cause and effect.
And it turns out he's not.
jordan holmes
No, it doesn't seem like he's a good person.
It turns out he is a ballgrass on this stuff.
dan friesen
So now that he's being more specific, I can say with certainty that the bombshell CDC documents he thinks he's going to spend the next segment covering are just the FDA PowerPoint presentation I mentioned earlier.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
This is very sad.
It's bad work on his part.
And this weird defensiveness about fact-checking is a little depressing.
I don't think that Alex can possibly actually believe the things that he believes.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
Or that he's saying.
Yeah.
The folks that have done fact-checks on this, on the claims that this presentation was actually evidence of foreknowledge of side effects generally discuss the larger picture of what the PowerPoint presentation was about.
One of them includes an FDA spokesman speaking to FactCheck.
Quote, no specific COVID-19 vaccine was discussed at that meeting, but rather that meeting was held to discuss in general the criteria FDA may take into account when making a decision about emergency youth authorization for a COVID-19 vaccine.
The list of adverse events on slide 16 is just a list of possible outcomes that the FDA could potentially monitor for when conducting safety surveillance once a vaccine was authorized.
There's a big difference between the list as it exists in this presentation and a list of potential side effects that's based on studies or science.
It's kind of hard for me to believe that Alex doesn't understand the distinction.
jordan holmes
It's just really tough.
dan friesen
If he doesn't understand it, he has no business conveying information to the public.
jordan holmes
Anyone.
dan friesen
And if he does understand the distinction, then he's willfully misrepresenting it to people and is a liar.
So I don't see a possibility of a third option.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
Nope.
dan friesen
And it's weird.
He seems to think that the FDA and CDC are the same thing.
alex jones
Looky here.
Overhead shot, please.
This is from the CDC's website.
See this?
jordan holmes
At FDA.com.
alex jones
CDC, Food and Drug Administration, from their damn website in October.
I'm going to show you this when we come back.
dan friesen
That was a magician.
jordan holmes
What is it?
dan friesen
It's a magician-level sleight of hand there.
Is this your card?
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
I feel like I'm playing two-card money with somebody who doesn't know what either card is.
dan friesen
Is this your government agency?
Right.
Yeah.
Very wild.
Very bad.
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
Not good work.
Anyway, Alex gets to talking because he needs money.
And he wants you to know that he was going to scale back.
We remember these days.
jordan holmes
Oh, you got to scale back.
dan friesen
But now he's going to launch so many podcasts.
jordan holmes
Well, he wants to expand.
dan friesen
He's going to go a million hours a day.
And I think maybe it's because he's super committed to the Infowar or he started selling human beds for Michael Lindell.
alex jones
There we go.
Because of your support, we are still on air and we have major plans to expand in the face of this tyranny.
Because I was quite frankly going to cut back a few years ago and pull back.
I think I'd already done my work.
I've already done it.
I've already kind of got people awake to how the new order works.
I was going to kind of just remove myself, maybe write a book a year.
But because of the enemy attacks and their attempts to shut us down, I've committed to 14 hours a day, seven days a week, and I'm going to start seven-day-a-week podcasts, special reports, different news bureaus all over the country.
Okay.
And so that takes a lot of money to do that.
And we'll be launching a lot of things in the next few months, but attacking me only makes me get stronger.
And so I need your prayers.
I need your support.
I need you to go to InfoWarStore.com.
dan friesen
Man, how much money did Mike Lindell give him?
jordan holmes
I mean, he said that all he has is an affiliate relationship with Mike Lindell.
Mike Lindell does not give him a job.
dan friesen
He said one of our biggest sponsors is Mike Lindell on this episode.
jordan holmes
Well, but I mean, sure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He does have a monetary relationship with a confusing one.
I don't know, but I would strongly.
dan friesen
Man, don't do this again, Alex.
You tried to do the fucking Washington Bureau with Jerome Coursey.
jordan holmes
How did that go?
dan friesen
Didn't go good.
jordan holmes
No, I thought it ended well.
dan friesen
I think it was.
I don't know if that lawsuit's still active, but Corsi and Larry Clayman were suing out.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And you overpaid that dude real bad.
So much.
jordan holmes
Holy shit, did you overpay that guy?
dan friesen
I understand it's easy to have bureaus in other cities because all you need is an idiot with a laptop and just a blog or whatever.
jordan holmes
And you can get any one of those anywhere.
dan friesen
Even that is overextending yourself at this point.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
As a friend, Alex.
jordan holmes
And don't start a podcast.
alex jones
Don't do that.
dan friesen
Anyway, congratulations on the pillow money.
Now, it's science time.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, no.
alex jones
Okay, so let's settle down now and get into science time, ladies and gentlemen.
Oh, look, U.S. Food and Drug Administration, October 22nd, 2020.
It's an eight-hour, 20-plus-minute video that is on YouTube.
You can type that in and you'll be able to pull it up.
SBER plans for monitoring COVID-19 vaccine safety and effectiveness.
dan friesen
It's a safety.
alex jones
U.S. Food and Drug Administration.
Remember, the top two scientists just left and said basically this isn't safe.
And the EU just said we need to stop the shots.
No more.
jordan holmes
Wild.
alex jones
Yep, there it is.
An eight-hour, 50-minute video.
Sorry, my brain dialed down.
It was a whole day.
So there's the video.
So people always accuse me of exaggerating.
It's usually the opposite.
It's usually worse than I'm telling you.
It's another example of that.
dan friesen
This is how Alex's workflow generally goes.
He makes an erroneous claim, and then when he needs to muster up the evidence for it, he points to an almost nine-hour long video, and then he gestures at it.
Like, he's trying to imply that he watched it, and it's all the proof you need.
It's all in there.
jordan holmes
It seems like if you've got that and you've got a staff, they could find a clip for you to play.
unidentified
A bunch of them.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's not the proof that he needs.
This game is boring and old.
Alex hasn't watched this very long, very dry meeting of the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, and he couldn't point to any specific point in it or play any clips from it that would make his argument.
All he knows is that he's seen memes of this PowerPoint presentation slide that includes a list of side effects, and that posting this super long video will look more impressive to people than just saying, hey, look at this meme I found.
Now that Alex has his evidence in place, this long-ass video that no one in the audience is going to watch, he can use it to give credibility to other bullshit narratives that he's pushing, like that the EU is stopping vaccinations or that the FDA scientists quit because they were against the vaccines.
Also, this clip includes one of my favorite ways that Alex cannot allow himself to be wrong about anything.
He gets the run time of this video wrong, which doesn't matter at all, but he can't let that stand.
So he uses it as an example of a time when something was worse than he said.
unidentified
People accuse him of exaggerating, but most of the time things are worse.
dan friesen
Like the time when he was half an hour off on the runtime of a video.
Such a critical detail that people think, you know, they would just attack him for exaggerating about it.
jordan holmes
I was actually about to scream at him for getting that number wrong.
Yeah.
Because if you're up till 2 a.m. Just a dork.
Yeah, that's bad.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, I think one of the themes of this episode, if there is one, based on my viewing of it, is that Alex is pretty defensive about people calling ivermectin horse paste.
jordan holmes
Seems like that.
alex jones
But oh, it's horse paste.
Nobel Prize as an antiviral for humans.
Horse paste.
Yeah, it works on horses too.
Just like water is good for horses.
Again, we shouldn't drink water.
If horses drink water, then we have something.
You drink water like horses drink?
You're going to take ivermectin like horses do?
unidentified
Are you going to eat hay?
alex jones
Honey, man, this is weird.
And by the way, if you talk to any farmer or rancher that's got horses and scot cows, they want, if they've got a big group, if they have a small group of cows or horses, they don't have a vet do it to do it themselves.
But, I mean, I remember getting to the vet's office at 8, 6:30 in the morning, or it was even light, and he'd say, go over to the warehouse and get four boxes of the horse paste or whatever, the ivermectin.
And I remember, oh no, God, this is going to be a long day.
We must be doing a lot of cows or a lot of horses.
And people didn't even have worms.
They knew just give it every year to your animals because they're healthier and they're better.
It's an antiviral and it's an anti-cancer.
jordan holmes
This story is not true.
alex jones
He won the Nobel Prize, but again, it just, they're such enemies of humanity trying to suppress this.
They're real jerks.
dan friesen
They're real jerks.
jordan holmes
Real jerks.
Real jerks.
The devil overplayed his hand like a real jerk.
dan friesen
Like a real jerk.
jordan holmes
Like a real jerk.
What a jerk.
dan friesen
They're calling this horse paste horse paste.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's a jerk move.
jordan holmes
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Wow.
What a not true story.
Just real made up.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a convenient piece of Alex's backstory that he was, he worked as like a small vet thing when he was younger.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
I don't even know if that's true or not, but he does bring it up a lot.
And I guess it gives him expertise in all these animal medicines that he wants his listeners to take.
jordan holmes
You got it.
They're making fun of you for taking horse paste, but it's ivermectin.
So put that horse paste in you.
I even put it in horses myself.
So that means it must be good for you.
dan friesen
Great.
So good.
jordan holmes
Man, I can't believe it, but Alex is being a real jerk.
dan friesen
Real jerk.
jordan holmes
Real jerk.
dan friesen
So he hates China.
You know that.
We've talked about this many, times.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't like China.
Here's some coverage of China that I think skews kind of positive for Alex.
alex jones
And then, as I said, there are large quadrants of news that I have not gotten to on critical race theory and on China.
Male girly behavior banned.
China cracks down on sissy men.
Says it's CIA propaganda to destroy the family and their country, which it is.
If you want to be a sissy man, that's up to you, but they're doing it to undermine the culture.
dan friesen
I would really think that a free speech crusader like Alex would be super against the government of China banning effeminate men from being allowed on television.
jordan holmes
You should legislate feminist-sounding men.
dan friesen
According to NPR, the rules the government put in place also would, quote, limit anyone under 18 to three hours per week of online games and prohibit play on school days.
They're also regulating who's allowed to be promoted as a celebrity.
Quote, broadcasters should avoid performers who violate public order or have lost morality.
jordan holmes
Hey, come on now.
dan friesen
I understand that Alex is super transphobic and aggressively anti-LGBTQ as a whole, but his larger worldview should really require him be super against this.
jordan holmes
I mean, if you think that a government never gives up power.
dan friesen
This shouldn't be the one instance where he thinks China's got it right.
It should be a drastic and super aggressive attack on freedom of expression and speech in China.
His beliefs mean nothing when violating them is convenient to advancing his bigotries.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex has been teasing for quite a while that he's going to go to calls, and he does.
Now, he gets a call from a guy who's a retired pharmacy type guy.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
But, you know, this whole COVID thing made him have to get back in the game.
jordan holmes
He's got to go out for one last mission.
dan friesen
I will say that one thing that made me a little bit worried about him is that he talks about his wife.
And his wife apparently has an IUD that he refers to as an IED.
unidentified
Oh, which would be quite different.
She also had the irregular menstrual cycle as well.
And she had been in an IED for I forget how long, you know, not even having her period.
Total Stockholm Syndrome.
Anything.
alex jones
Man, what is going on with our phone system?
This happened yesterday after the show, and it just happened again.
Well, at least he got out of the budget.
We may have to go back to analog phone lines.
Who knows?
dan friesen
Who knows?
Wow, that was unfortunate.
Right after he got into how his wife has an improvised explosive device.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's unfortunate.
jordan holmes
Are they okay with that?
unidentified
Can far-right people be okay with IUDs?
dan friesen
Let's just not discuss it.
jordan holmes
Good point.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's kind of the way they treat it.
jordan holmes
Let's just move on.
dan friesen
He said IED anyway.
jordan holmes
We don't even know what's going on.
Maybe that's what he's doing to exploit us.
dan friesen
So look, the phone cut off.
That's bad.
So let's go to another call.
josh in florida
So in the past, they would do death by a thousand cuts.
Now we're in a modern siege where it's more like death by a thousand stabs, where each stab can mean the end.
unidentified
What?
josh in florida
This is all cyan.
alex jones
Okay, there's definitely something wrong with our phone system.
So this is two days in a row.
jordan holmes
Not mad at Chris.
alex jones
I'm going to put the order in to have an engineering crew come in here and put seven analog phone lines in.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Bill it to Lindell.
Yeah.
So yeah, this is fun.
alex jones
This show has hit a wall.
dan friesen
Just on a fucking wall.
jordan holmes
We can't even get a phone to work.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so I'd been through a lot on this episode.
jordan holmes
This has been a roller coaster.
dan friesen
There's been some bullshit, some interesting things to learn about Alex very, very defensively and angrily taking Iver Mecton on air.
Talking about how he's had COVID multiple times.
jordan holmes
Jealously trying to grab onto whatever Joe Rogan fame he can get from.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm like him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
We're the same.
dan friesen
And now this, now this just phone problems.
And when Alex said this, there was a little bit left in the third hour.
And I just said, I give up.
I'm going home for the day.
alex jones
I think somebody's hacked into the digital phone system.
We've had some like this before.
jordan holmes
Scalar attack.
alex jones
Here we go, Tom.
We're rebooting the system and changing the passcode.
Just change the passcodes around here on a more routine basis.
But people get attached to passcodes.
That's okay.
It's Tim Cook's gay.
He runs death camps, too.
That's all that matters.
He's liberal.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
I'm punching out, man.
I just said, yeah, I was just like, I don't, nothing, nothing, nothing else can happen on this episode that is in any way interesting to me.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Somebody hacked my system just to occasionally cut off phones.
dan friesen
And somehow your people not changing their passwords has something to do with Tim Cook.
jordan holmes
Correct.
Yes.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
And his sexual orientation, which must be mentioned.
dan friesen
It's very relevant.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I just don't care.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
And so I bid you adieu, September 2nd episode.
jordan holmes
Fuck off.
dan friesen
Pretty amazing.
I think the revelation that Alex has had COVID a bunch is.
jordan holmes
So did Pieczenik cure him the first time?
I don't know, man.
I got to know.
With antibiotics?
Sure.
Why are we using antibiotics?
Why you got to use Ivermectin?
Come on.
Go back to get the Steve Pieczenik license.
dan friesen
Don't you enjoy, though, too, that Alex pulled the Pieczenik kind of with that, like someone closer to me than my parents also did this.
jordan holmes
That person is me.
Yeah, I know.
I could not help but hear that same exact thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, he was trying to do that same kind of reveal.
jordan holmes
Brutal.
dan friesen
Which I was not.
I mean, also, I think one of the things I find really interesting about this is that, like, it's kind of a big reveal in as much as it's serious that he had COVID conceivably multiple times.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it's also like, I'm not surprised at all.
It's not a bombshell.
I assumed he did.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The way he's lived his life.
dan friesen
He'd been covering that up for a while.
jordan holmes
Right.
The way he's lived his life means yes, he probably got COVID, and I would have assumed that he did.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He didn't need to tell me.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
But thanks for being honest.
I hope one of your employees sues you.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Another one of your employees sues you.
dan friesen
Anyway, Jordan, we will be back.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
But what an interesting touch back into the present day this one.
Until we return, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We also are on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at Knowledge Fight.
dan friesen
Yep.
alex jones
At Code Adventure.
unidentified
Oops.
jordan holmes
I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
Sorry, that's not mine.
I'm going to have to say, there we go.
dan friesen
Well, back until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clerk.
I'm Daryl Rundes.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your work.
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