June 11, 2003’s Knowledge Fight episode dissects Alex Jones’ chaotic pivot from Iraq War geopolitics to Colonel Craig Roberts’ near-death claims—feeling "instantly young" after three minutes of death, a guardian angel named "Joe," and divine directives to abandon chemotherapy. Jones ties this to his uncle’s motorcycle accident visions and 9/11 "prophecy," while mocking skeptics as part of Satan’s "great delusion." The hosts critique Roberts’ story as likely drug-induced or sleep paralysis, exposing Jones’ reliance on unverifiable spiritual claims over journalism, ultimately revealing how conspiracy rhetoric weaponizes personal anecdotes to bypass evidence. [Automatically generated summary]
And it's kind of like a, you know, it's like a resource game like Settlers of Catan and all that stuff, but it is just...
Gorgeous.
Like, it is hand-painted, not hand-painted, but, you know, it's like beautiful artwork of birds, and it's just about collecting and bird-watching, and it's gorgeous.
We'll also get into the war in Iraq and how the globalists say they want America to get behind an attack on Syria, Iran, North Korea.
And then a private story that Colonel Roberts hasn't talked much about on the air when he was diagnosed with a giant tumor, died on the operating table multiple times, and his experience going to heaven.
But, I turned this on and I was like, this does not sound like any episode that I've heard from this time period in particular where Alex is very calmly and patiently saying we're going to talk to a guest about how he went to heaven.
Now, I don't normally get into the paranormal and into the type of shadowy issues, but I have friends and family who have died.
And who have seen similar things.
And in fact, people that have other religious backgrounds have seen the same thing.
And the supernatural is real.
God is real.
I've had experiences, not death experiences, but I've had other experiences, and I'll share some of those on the air today as well, because it's so important as a society, we've forgotten God, we don't believe, many people don't believe in the afterlife.
So I got really excited when he said that he's going to get into some of his experiences, because based on what we know from listening to the present-day stuff...
He's gotta have a lot of stuff that should have already happened by this point.
He should have already been a Satanist for a few years when he was younger.
They tried to induct him into this high cult of Satanism when he was younger.
He had God give him a panoramic 360 view of everything that was going to happen that would guide him through his future.
Yeah, and you could either make the argument that if he doesn't get into a lot of the stuff that he talks about in the present, then either he doesn't want to talk about it on air because he's uncomfortable with it.
His death experience, not near-death experience, his death experience.
My uncle, when he was 16, was in a motorcycle accident, died six times on the way to the hospital and at the hospital, and he was then in a coma for six weeks, and he had an almost identical experience to Craig Roberts.
So Alex is making a prediction that within a couple years the entire United States will have tracking things in cars so there will be a system that taxes you by the mile.
It's because of emerging technologies and things like the idea of hydrogen-powered cars that hypothetically don't need gas.
If these become larger and larger parts of the market space, what ends up happening is that states face huge financial problems.
Cars are still using the roads, the upkeep of which is funded by tax revenues, but the drivers are no longer paying gas taxes, which made up a large part of the pot.
There are a number of solutions that have been floated in terms of how to deal with this inevitable issue, but the mileage-based taxation is one of the ideas that gets talked about the most, partially because it covers a lot of the relevant variables, and the plan seems like it could be implemented in a way Sure, Right.
But the amount of expense would be fairly similar to most average drivers.
Right.
People who would be hit hardest by it are people who drive completely fuel-efficient cars.
Because they wouldn't be paying that much gas tax as a whole.
Utah and Oregon have already put programs in place to shift things in this direction, and there are folks working on it in various places around the country, but it's nothing at all like Alex is describing.
The Oregon program was launched in 2015, and it was voluntary to participate.
According to the Washington Post, quote, legislators in Salem are considering a bill that would make the program mandatory for new vehicles with a fuel economy rating of 30 miles per gallon or higher starting in 2026.
There's a reality that technology is advancing and non-gas-consuming cars or more fuel-efficient cars are becoming more and more prevalent.
Simultaneously, the system we've built in order to keep our roads safe and drivable relies on tax revenues that come from gas sales.
The discussion about alternative modes of taxation are just a discussion about how we can adapt to new, better cars while simultaneously continuing to publicly fund the thing cars need to drive on.
Even so, even proponents of this kind of plan accept that there are real challenges in terms of putting it in place.
For instance, like I said, the gas tax itself is collected from wholesalers, and then it's passed down to consumers indirectly, whereas this new plan would require many more employees to be in, like, collection-type positions.
Yeah.
It would add a lot.
A lot of complexity to the way that this was collected.
And I don't think that anybody, even proponents of the plan, don't recognize, like, that's tough.
He doesn't have a plan, and that's fine on his show, because if you're listening to the show, you actually haven't heard Alex explain what the problem is, why people are discussing the ideas he's ranting about.
It's fine to be opposed to this proposed system, but it's not really okay to just pretend that there's no reason that anyone would want to try it other than to track and trace everyone.
My plan would be to probably forcibly dissolve most oil companies and then reallocate those resources that I've taken to employ the employees that used to work for them as well as rebuild infrastructure.
Alright, jumping into news and then I promise into your calls.
Monkeypox investigators seek exotic pets.
And it says investigators trying to stop the first outbreak of monkeypox in the Western Hemisphere scoured seven states Tuesday for dozens of prairie dogs and other exotic pets sold by an Illinois distributor.
Hope officials announced a total of five confirmed human cases of the disease, four in Wisconsin and one in Illinois.
No people have died of the outbreak, in addition to 48 possible cases.
So, this outbreak in 2003 of monkeypox was interesting only because it was the first time an outbreak had ever been reported outside of Africa.
Investigators believed that the outbreak traced back to a Gambian giant rat who had infected a shipment of prairie dogs who had then gone on to get some people sick.
There was no human-to-human transmission and no deaths.
The CDC did their job and traced down the animal shipments and put out guidance for people who may have come in contact with sick prairie dogs recently to keep an eye out for symptoms.
Since this outbreak, there has been one case of confirmed monkeypox in the United States, and it was a person who traveled to the US from Nigeria this year.
Where they had gotten sick initially and then come here.
This is an interesting story in as much as it offers an opportunity to learn about public health responses that might go unnoticed generally, or it could even be a good chance to discuss how there needs to be better regulation in the exotic pet trade.
And the government says we will be hit by smallpox, CFR member, and frontman.
Gary Hart says on Hannity and Combs, Dallas, Denver, and Cleveland will be hit by smallpox.
We will lock down the cities.
We will forcibly inoculate you.
We will go to red alert.
You will be considered an enemy if you leave your house, an enemy of the government, training us for martial law and the new societal shift to tyranny.
And then suddenly, 99,999% of the health care, police, and firemen refuse to take the shot.
They have to suspend the program.
And then suddenly SARS pops up to scare us, and then suddenly we've got the monkeypox scaring everybody, and there's even an article saying people are running out getting smallpox shots now accepting it, even though it doesn't protect you from monkeypox, or the weaponized smallpox that a supposed foreign enemy would use.
I can't find the article or the interview With Gary Hart that Alex is talking about I'm sure he didn't say that these cities were going to be hit with smallpox Sure, but there was a risk of it Like I can I can find interviews and speeches that he gave dating back to like 2001 where you know The idea of someone releasing smallpox is something that is a fear of Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is just the exact same story Alex is telling in the present day, but with the details swapped out like it's a Mad Lib.
All this just overlaps with the present day in a way that doesn't bolster Alex's credibility, but actually should make anyone who thinks he knows what he's talking about think twice.
The claim that 99.999% of healthcare workers and...
Cops and whatever.
They all refuse the smallpox vaccine.
That's the inciting incident in the 2003 version of this narrative.
This isn't true.
We talked about it in a recent 2003 episode.
This was a Bush administration initiative post-9-11 where he wanted to vaccinate 500,000 frontline workers against smallpox, ultimately only vaccinating about 40,000 because people didn't see the need for it.
People were like, I don't know.
This doesn't make sense.
Although that number is low, Alex's figure is way off.
The present-day parallel of this is the 2019 Vaccine Safety Summit, where Alex claims that the globalist doctors were worried that the jig was up and the frontline doctors were getting suspicious and wobbly on vaccines!
These two events are severely misrepresented by Alex and molded into the reason that the bad guys had to act now.
They had to do this now because everyone was refusing the vaccine, smallpox vaccine in 2003, and in 2019 the doctors are getting wobbly.
This explains the...
to scare people in 2003 is the equivalent of the initial COVID outbreak in 2020.
Yep.
The inciting incident happened, which required the globalists put their plans in motion to scare the public.
And in that clip, Alex even used uses the same goals that he ascribed to the bad guys now.
It's tempting to look at the consistency that exists here with his fears and convince yourself that he was on to something.
But that's missing the bigger picture.
This isn't a prediction that Alex made that he ended up being right about in 2021.
It's a prediction he's making that involves his interpretation of the world in 2003, and he was wrong.
It's total bullshit.
When you see him repeating the game in the present day, that's all he's doing.
Except this time, the stakes are way higher because COVID was a big deal, and it wasn't handled as responsibly as other outbreaks of the past that Alex has fear-mongered about and profited off of.
In 2003, Alex knows that monkeypox and smallpox aren't real threats, mostly thanks to widespread vaccination campaigns.
It's also really, really important to remember that the reason he's describing the lockdowns and all of that stuff is because that's what you have to do when an outbreak gets out of control, as we've seen.
Right here in 2003, when smallpox and monkeypox don't end up becoming a big deal, they don't become something that is a massive outbreak, it's great, because then, you know, people are getting vaccinated, and you're like, yeah, they tried to scare you into it with SARS and smallpox.
And then there's no loss that wasn't already lost.
Like, you're just going to...
I don't know, convince anti-vax people to be anti-vax.
Yeah, I think a big part of that is that over the last couple decades in particular, but also, you know, going back even further than that, I think the conservative and right-wing sort of, the media sphere especially.
You can't untie the late 70s rebirth of the conservative dum-dum as thought leader from The beginnings of rich people going hog wild and trying to exacerbate income inequality.
And as you see the quality of life go down for these people, they get more and more angry.
Combine that with a media sphere that's feeding them terrible information and making them angry at the wrong people.
And we see how billionaires have made Billy blah blah blah over the past so many years.
And the other point that I wanted to make, too, is that when I hear Alex doing this in 2003 and think about the way he's behaved in 2020, I see it as just a gamble that he does that's always paid off in the past and this time did not.
At this time, there was an actual, like, real public health crisis that was mishandled.
Right.
People responded to it poorly.
And in the past, that has not been the case.
Right.
And it's worked out to maintain balance before, and this time it's just completely out of whack.
And for the next hour and a half, we are joined by Colonel Craig Roberts, good friend of mine, Marine Corps sniper in Vietnam, Army colonel in intelligence, police officer who worked the Oklahoma City bombing case, wanted to get his take on Ashcroft admitting there's a Patriot Act II now after denying it, admitting it last Thursday before Congress, wanted to get his take on the announcements to invade Iran, Syria, as well as North Korea.
And I want to talk about how the government says brace for more terror, we're going to take all your rights away, the monkeypox, the West Nile, the SARS, just a lot of different issues.
And then I want to talk about, and Colonel Roberts is kind enough to share with me, well, the story that he shared with me when I was in the car with him for five hours, driving back from Kansas City into Oklahoma, where I got back in my truck and drove back to Texas.
And we were up in Kansas City doing a presentation.
The big crowd of 600 about how he died on the operating table and went to heaven.
Colonel Roberts, we're going to get into your experience dying on the operating table and what happened.
And do you want to cover that first, or do you want to get into your analysis of the geopolitical scene that I respect and that I think the listeners need to hear?
I don't think anybody's like, okay, I did die several times, went to heaven, saw it all, but first, I really need to talk about troop mobilization as we go.
Like, the logistics, we need to get into the weeds here, because people are listening, okay?
People need to know that we've got to get two clicks to the West!
You know, when Jesus said in the Bible that, you know, it matters not how rich you become here.
You know, you're piling up treasures that are going to be rusty and cankered.
You need to pile up your treasures in heaven.
And that you do with your deeds and the way you conduct yourself and so on.
So basically you're sitting in the middle listening to two recruiters.
One is the side of God and one is the side of Satan.
And you've got to make up your choice.
And a lot of people make the choice with the limited amount of data they have through our public school system that there is no God, there is no heaven, there is no future, there is no hell.
You don't have to worry about anything.
And when I was growing up, we were taught just the opposite.
We were taught, you know, if you do this, if you do that, you're going to go to hell and burn forever, you know?
So, I mean, it was scare tactics, I'm sure, but the problem is it's taken me my entire life, and it always put doubt in my mind that before I do something really bad or stupid, I'd better stop and regroup and think about it.
Well, that's self-accountability.
And when we lose self-accountability, all of a sudden, we get people that get out here, and it doesn't matter who they hurt, who they kill, who they step on.
That's a fascinating clip, because I think that Craig Roberts sounds like he almost kind of understands that teaching him as a child that if you did anything wrong, you'd go to hell was abusive and scare tactics.
There's a good chance that Craig is right, that his hellfire and brimstone upbringing did instill in him a bit of self-accountability, and that he may have considered his actions more than he would have otherwise, because he was afraid of going to hell.
If that led to him being a better person, I suppose that's good, but I would strongly dispute the position that fear of hell is the only way to create self-accountability.
Teaching kids that they're going to hell if they don't behave well might be a way to convince kids to behave well, but it's also a really good way to mess with their heads and give them enough baggage that they may take years to unpack it all in therapy, and there's all kinds of detrimental effects.
Certainly in my own life and the life of many other people I knew growing up in the church, this idea of if you do bad, you're going to hell is much more detrimental than it is helpful in terms of creating self-accountability.
I think one of the big things that it does is it creates...
Intense feelings of shame and guilt because messing up is human.
You're going to make mistakes.
You're going to do things that are wrong inevitably.
And then if you've convinced yourself ahead of time that you're going to hell for it, all you're doing is guaranteeing that you'll have some kind of intense guilt that you'll need to deal with somehow that you don't need to have.
And yes, we need to plan for the future for our generations and do everything we can so that they don't have to suffer through some type of prison camp system or persecution or global socialist government or whatever.
Now's the time to do it.
And if you lose your life in doing so, so what?
Because I'm here to tell you this life really doesn't mean that much when you get through the doorway to the other side.
As luck would have it, I did make it to the hospital.
They wheeled me in, put me in all those little rooms on the gurney, and one of the doctors who I knew came in, and he said, listen, do you have a living will?
And I said, no, I've got a regular will.
I didn't even know what a living will was.
And he said, well, you're going to need a living will, I think.
And I said, what's that?
And he said, well, that's where we can have life support if things go bad on you.
And he said, because you're hemorrhaging internally.
You've got A-negative blood, and we don't have it.
It has a very short supply.
We're going to have to switch over to O if we can find that.
We're real short on blood.
You've lost so much now that I don't think you're going to make it through the night.
We've already told your wife.
And so I said, well, just do what you have to do.
And I don't think it's my time, but let's do what we have to do.
He said, we've got five doctors here tonight.
And I said, no, sir, you've got six.
You've got God working with you.
You listen to him.
I'm putting him in charge, and we'll see what happens.
When we come back from the break, we'll see what happens.
What they would say is something like, oh, I felt like I had lived an entire other life and I felt like my dream had been for 20 years long and all of that stuff.
And you're like, oh, you were only out for five seconds or something like that.
And it's like, yeah, man, the brain does that shit.
And if you've ever had sleep paralysis, where your body is still chemically shut down and your brain works perfectly fine, you feel like you're hallucinating and going absolutely crazy.
I didn't really notice that I was wearing anything in particular or that I didn't even look at my body or feel myself.
I just knew I was there.
And then right behind me was a bean.
The best way I can describe that, and this is really hard to describe because it's one of those things, until you get there, you just don't really absorb the whole scene and understand what's going on.
And I also knew, by the way, and this is the part I want to really put out to everybody.
I also knew, by the way, this is my guardian angel.
This is the guy that took care of me a lot of times when I couldn't take care of myself, but he's also the guy that keeps track of everything you do in life.
He's the guy who...
They don't have to write it down.
It's like this giant computer chip in them or something, but they remember and see everything, so it's like a massive CD-ROM disc that they can carry that's got all the information of everything you ever did in your life, good and bad.
If Alex is concerned about the surveillance state, he should be really concerned about this.
If there are aliens or angels with chips in them that digitally record every good or bad thing you do, I can't imagine with the NSA how it would even come close to comparing to that.
But, you know, your childhood best friend, who is imaginary, is your guardian angel, and they have a chip in them that records all the good things you do.
But before we go back to Colonel Roberts here in just a few minutes, I drug Jim Shepard back onto the airwaves because last week we had a special, and there were 180 of these total.
And now there's only about 30 left of the big, murky, murky light with a super black filter.
What are you going to do whenever your holy book very clearly states that marrying commerce and religion is a great idea?
Whenever the person you've named your belief system after has explicitly said to you that rich people will make it to heaven every time, you know it's a good idea.
This is so disrespectful to the idea that you're having an interview with somebody about you went to the afterlife and you're trying to present this as a real thing.
And what you do in the middle of it is slip in an interview with somebody else who you're selling their shit.
A whole pallet of these fell over, and they just have small scratches on them.
Some of them they can't even find a scratch on, but they're damaging all of them, saying they're damaged, and selling them for $149 instead of $200.
Now, $200's already a great deal, and if you want one that doesn't have a scratch...
Pay $200.
My wife's kind of like that.
She wants something that's perfect.
Nothing wrong with it, but this is a great deal.
I would take advantage of it.
Only a few of these left, and we won't be doing this deal again.
This is it on this scratch-and-dent sale.
Last time we had one of these was about a year ago on this show.
They've got a bunch of other filters.
They're top of the line.
Jim, what do you have to offer for folks today other than that deal as well?
You've got several other package deals, and the sports bottles, the portable filter bottles, the potassium iodate to protect against a nuclear attack that you take.
When the guy says your imaginary friend is your guardian angel and he tells God all the bad and good things that you've done, maybe I would bail, too, but I wouldn't go back.
The one thing that was beginning to happen was I was receiving information, and this information was the first thing.
It was an acknowledgment that I was there and that a decision was being made, and the decision would be to take me on or to send me back.
And I thought later, when I reflected back on that, I thought, well, isn't this ingenious?
Isn't it?
We may be running into people on the street who've already been there and been sent back because they've had information to bring back, so we really need to listen to people.
Maybe there's somebody out there who has some information that we need to hear.
So, as I'm sitting there, I feel like I'm getting all kinds of different information.
A lot of it, I don't understand what it is.
I don't know what it means, other than the fact that later on, it could be valuable, and I may have to draw upon this information for people that I run into on down the road.
The decision was made to send me back.
And what happened was very, very interesting in the fact that I felt like I had been gone, But at the same time, I have to say that there was no feeling of time.
Time didn't mean anything there.
Time was not a factor in anything.
But in the human clock, I thought maybe this entire process of me sitting there while the decision was made, while I was given information, was maybe three minutes.
Now this is interesting because I all of a sudden had changed positions again.
I changed places and I opened my eyes and I'm on a bed.
In the intensive care unit.
And I signal for the nurse, and she comes running in there, you know, and then she calls for the doctor, and the same doctor happened to be on duty, and came in, and what's interesting, it was 18 hours later.
I felt I was gone maybe three minutes, and it was 18 hours of the test.
It's kind of fairly obvious, and I feel like more people telling these stories should get it, but it seems like heaven is limited by your imagination and not the other way around.
I had done a lot of work and received a lot of information over the years in my research work, plus what I was told when I was gone, to continue on doing what you and I are doing now, and that's getting information out to people and telling them, look, you have a life you have to live right now.
You better live it correctly, because later on you're going to have to answer for it anyway.
No, and that's why, I mean, You know, I imagine that the very first reason that we invented a divine anything was just because somebody got asked a question that they really didn't want to answer.
So, I think that you can have interviews like this, and I even think you can have interviews like this that are not disrespectful to the person you're interviewing.
Like, I think that sharing experiences of things that you have subjective experience of, I think that there's a way to discuss those things and not...
I don't necessarily pass them off as, this is the truth of the universe, but at the same time not be like, you're dumb because you think you went to a waiting room.
I think there's a way that you can recognize the subjectivity of it and recognize what it means to the person you're talking to without universalizing it.
So when Alex said, I think now is the time to talk about some of my experiences, I thought, well, obviously he's going to get into how he also had an information download.
I think now is the time to talk about him at least a little bit.
Where I've had dreams, my friends, that come true with the same images, the same color, the same detail.
And one of those dreams was about 9-1-1 months before, and I had all my other evidence from my sources, but that's why I got on the air and said, call the White House, call Congress, tell them, don't use bin Laden as their patsy to attack New York to set up a police state.
Because I had a dream where that happened.
I was very upset when I got up from the dream.
I know when I have these dreams, and I rarely do, that it's real, that it's going to happen.
I learned this when I was young, and I've never talked about this, but I think it's important to discuss because there is another side.
The physical war is what we're doing right here today, standing firm against the Satan and his new world order globalist socialist crowd.
And the thing about this, nobody out here who denies that all of this is happening is going to be able to see it unless we open their eyes, we open their ears, and we say, look, this stuff's happening.
Yeah, so this episode was so wild to listen to and so enjoyable on a number of levels compared to especially the present day of your show.
But, you know, you have a guy who went to heaven and Alex trying to interview him and trying to have some semblance of, like, this isn't a ridiculous interview.
More reason to believe that Alex thinks he's fighting the literal devil and has forever, but we will dig deeper and find whatever we can find in 2003 because it's quite enjoyable.
Yeah, that was when I was editing the D&D show together.
I was isolating everybody's individual tracks, and you could just pick out weird sections where if I just wanted to clip that without context, beautiful.