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Aug. 27, 2021 - Knowledge Fight
01:49:49
#590: August 24, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan check in on what Alex has been up to. In this installment, the gents discuss why guest vetting is important, why Owen Shroyer isn't a "political prisoner," and get into what Dan has dubbed Shadow-Dumbass-Gate. Citations

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
18:54
d
dan friesen
53:33
j
jordan holmes
29:12
Appearances
o
owen shroyer
01:09
Clips
b
bill maher
00:04
d
donald j trump
00:01
s
steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
I need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
jordan holmes
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship with the author of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan!
dan friesen
Jordan!
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
unidentified
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, is being wrong, and it being okay.
unidentified
Ooh!
jordan holmes
This is our after Sesame Street episode right here.
unidentified
Yeah, maybe.
dan friesen
But there's something in life that sometimes things you're afraid of or you worry about and then it's not really that big a deal and you're okay.
I remember when you start doing stand-up, one of the best things that can happen is your first bomb.
And you're really, really worried about it, but then you go through it.
jordan holmes
How do you do it?
How do they live like this?
dan friesen
You go through it and you experience how horrible it can be to be on stage and be like, They hate me.
Nothing is happening here.
I'm failing.
jordan holmes
These people genuinely hate me personally.
dan friesen
And then you go to bed and you wake up the next day and you're fine.
I had sort of a reminder of that experience on our last episode.
I thank the people who caught this because it was cripplingly embarrassing.
jordan holmes
Crucial error.
dan friesen
On our last episode, Alex was talking about North Vietnam, and I swear I heard him say North Korea, and I responded as if he had.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
Oh my god, that was embarrassing.
jordan holmes
Hey, I went along with you, so eggs on my face as well.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're bad QA.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm a bad helper.
I'm here for support, and that means not getting in the way.
dan friesen
I've tried to sort of analyze where that happened, like where that disconnect happened, because I know the difference between North Vietnam and North Korea.
What?
I think I've been listening to a bit of that 2003 stuff, and he's...
Singularly preoccupied with war with North Korea at the time.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So I think I was just in that space where if he says North, it's going to be North Korea.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's pretty remarkable to me, that experience of realizing, oh my God.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I couldn't hear him say the right words.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, it's weird.
unidentified
But it's okay.
jordan holmes
But you know what, it's fine.
It's fine.
Nobody's dead.
Nobody's hurt.
Everybody's doing just fine.
dan friesen
And thank you to the folks who emailed me about it.
Another bright spot that people aren't real mean.
jordan holmes
That is a big bright spot.
Hey, douchebag!
This is North Vietnam!
Everybody was like, hey, I'm sure this was a normal accident that happens.
We all make mistakes all the time.
dan friesen
And for the sake of total transparency, I'm bringing this up now because I cut it out of the last episode and reposted it.
Because I kind of felt like...
I know how this goes.
Like, I'll still get emails about Chumbawamba.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I don't want to...
jordan holmes
Did they ever correct that they thought they were Nazis?
And it's like, yes, we got there.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Listen to the next episode.
unidentified
We got there.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I just don't want to have more lightning rods for that.
So I just call myself out and cut it out of the episode.
jordan holmes
Asked and answered.
unidentified
Move forward.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're all past it.
dan friesen
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan, is I got my new tattoo!
dan friesen
Looks great.
jordan holmes
It's really, really great.
I was, uh, this is...
So I've got probably 15 to 20, somewhere in that range.
And I've gone to eight or nine different artists.
This was the first guy where I was like, oh, this is not a guy who does just tattoos.
This is not a tattoo guy.
He's sponsored by people.
This is a guy.
And as he was doing the tattoo, you know how sometimes you're like, oh, what's that?
There's not that much of a big difference between that kind of...
And it's like...
This is a 95 mile an hour fastball against an 80 mile an hour where you're like, oh, okay, there's a whole different world here.
I got it.
dan friesen
There's a craft.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is my guy now.
He was amazing.
dan friesen
But, you know, an 80 mile an hour fastball can still...
jordan holmes
Still great.
I love all my other tattoos, too.
dan friesen
You can still strike out.
jordan holmes
I love all my other tattoos, too.
They're fantastic.
They really are great, but this guy was so fucking good.
dan friesen
I mean, the alternative to it, too, would have been like...
You're not happy with it.
And so I'm glad that this is the...
jordan holmes
Yeah, it worked out real well.
dan friesen
This is the follow-up.
jordan holmes
I would have been happy with it because what I did was mirroring the other side, right?
So it seems it's fairly simple to just go, okay, well, he wants something like that.
dan friesen
Bird on the wrist, bird on the other side of the wrist.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
But the way that he just handled the coloring and the shading and the way that he put all that together, just so good.
dan friesen
I'm excited to see when the plastic comes off.
So Jordan, today we are going to be talking a little bit about the present day of Alex Jones' show.
We're going to be talking about August 24th.
jordan holmes
I was so ready for that project!
So close!
How old are we?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Quite immature, whatever the answer is.
So this is this week, and I wanted to check in, see how things were going.
You know, this is Tuesday.
Alex is...
Coming off of a very disappointing Trump rally where he said that people should get vaccinated.
Alex is not happy about that.
jordan holmes
I wonder why.
dan friesen
He doesn't like vaccines.
Strange.
Simultaneously, Owen Troyer has turned himself into the feds.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I do like the idea of Trump being in this headspace of like...
Why are all these idiots mad at me?
I just told them to get the vaccine.
Like, clearly having no idea that this is entirely his fault.
You know?
Like, he's just so dumb.
He's like, what are you guys being stupid about?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Can't believe it.
jordan holmes
Insane.
dan friesen
So, I mean, look, you encourage an audience in a certain direction, and then you...
Directly contradict what they believe you to believe.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then sometimes they're going to boo you.
jordan holmes
They get real mad.
dan friesen
Yeah, they don't like it.
jordan holmes
They get real mad.
dan friesen
So we're going to get to business on the 24th, but before we do, Jordan, let's take a little moment and say hello to some wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Zebra One.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Hank Zebra won!
dan friesen
This is a correction from last time, actually.
We had somebody that I forgot the sort of subtitle of their name.
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
It was North Zebra Nam.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no.
This is Rapture Princess versus Obama Decepticon, and then the tagline, or the subtitle, Battle for the Altar of Selene.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Next, Paul's roommate, Nick.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Paul's roommate, Nick.
dan friesen
Thank you.
This is a name that people behind it thought would be really funny to hear me try and say.
Here we go.
So thank you so much, El Podcast Blanco de la Nueva Ultra Direccia.
I was so close.
jordan holmes
You were really doing great.
You were really doing great.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
And finally, we've got a technocrat out there.
I listen to KN.
I think that's knowledge fight.
But most people abbreviate it KF, but I'm not going to judge.
jordan holmes
Don't worry about it.
dan friesen
I listen to KN in bed, and now I can't fall asleep without Dan's silky voice and Jordan's yelling.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
alex jones
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We've got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
Stop listening to this when you go to bed.
jordan holmes
I was gonna say, that must be like...
That would be like if we sold a tape of ocean waves occasionally punctuated by a pterodactyl screaming.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Hold on, hold on.
I'm gonna do something.
Have a sweet dream.
Go to sleep.
You're at peace.
alex jones
Wake up!
unidentified
Caw!
dan friesen
Also, I'd like to say thank you to someone who has added to Celine's family.
Todd out there.
Todd D. That makes three Ds at the end.
jordan holmes
Three Ds and yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Todd has adopted a...
I wrote it out phonetically.
jordan holmes
It's a pangolin.
dan friesen
Pangolin, yes.
jordan holmes
It's a pangolin.
dan friesen
It sounds like penguin.
jordan holmes
It sounds like penguin, but it's not penguin.
It's pangolin.
dan friesen
For some reason, whenever I see that word, I want to add, like, two syllables in the middle of it.
jordan holmes
Panga-u-a-lin.
dan friesen
Yes, exactly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
The word fucks with me, and I resent it.
jordan holmes
I keep finding myself going, pangolin.
Like, oh, no, this isn't going to go well.
dan friesen
Yeah, thank you so much for adopting this fine armadillo creature, Todd.
jordan holmes
They're cute!
dan friesen
That's what you say.
jordan holmes
I think they're very cute.
dan friesen
They are cute.
jordan holmes
They're all God's creatures.
They're in Salid's family now.
dan friesen
They're not God's creatures anymore.
jordan holmes
They're in Salid's family.
dan friesen
So here we are on the 24th.
Here's where Alex is at as we launch, as we set sail.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
There is incredibly beautiful opposition to the clear tyranny of 1984 proportions that is taking place across the world.
And you're going to find out who's for slavery and who isn't.
Now, I don't lionize Bill Maher.
I've been a big enemy of Bill Maher.
We had listeners take over.
I mean, I didn't do it.
I didn't order him to do it, but he blamed me, so I took the blame.
I mean, I said, yeah, I support it.
Take over his live studio audience a couple times, exposing Building 7 and the fact that it was blown up.
But when he gets things right and comes out and says, don't block ivermectin, don't censor the Internet, don't censor Alex Jones, Alex Jones gets to speak.
dan friesen
I'd really be curious to know if when Politically Incorrect got cancelled, Alex was speaking out on behalf of Bill Maher.
jordan holmes
No, he was absolutely saying that you shouldn't silence this voice.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
This is a very important free speech issue.
dan friesen
He might not have been on air.
No, he was, because Politically Incorrect got cancelled after 9-11.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Huh.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I'd be curious about that, but I don't have any of those episodes, and maybe he wouldn't have even mentioned it.
jordan holmes
Possible.
dan friesen
So this is one of these instances here, this clip, where Alex begins a thought, then he rambles so much that the second half of the if-then statement just gets totally lost.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why would you need it?
dan friesen
He's saying that he doesn't like Bill Maher, but when he says things that Alex perceives as true, Alex has got to support it.
I fully agree with that under normal circumstances.
For instance...
I think Alex is a lazy, dumb, fraudulent buffoon, and I hate his worldview with a passion.
But I do agree with him about civil asset forfeiture.
We may arrive at our positions differently, And we may never actually be able to work together toward opposition to this thing that we share opposition towards, but I can understand that even the person I think is the worst can be in alignment with my beliefs on occasion.
It's possible.
jordan holmes
At a fundamental level, the government shouldn't steal from you seems very obvious.
Sure!
dan friesen
That's not what's up with Alex and Bill Maher.
Alex believes that Bill Maher is one of the main mouthpieces of the globalist conspiracy in the media.
Alex constantly claims that, quote, the left or the globalists have made some announcement of their plans, and the only thing he has to back it up is a clip from Bill Maher's show.
The entire narrative that the left wanted to crash the economy in order to punish Trump, that relied just on a bad joke that Bill Maher made, and I guess maybe a bad dream that Alex had, but that's just what I'm guessing.
jordan holmes
That's always in there.
dan friesen
The explanation for why Bill Maher is now saying things that Alex agrees with is not a simple matter if someone you don't like has the same perspective as you do on a point.
If anything Alex says means anything, then Bill Maher's on the globalist payroll, and he would never be allowed to say the sort of things that Alex is now applauding him for saying.
jordan holmes
Or, if he was saying those things, he is a shill for the globalists who has controlled opposition.
There's simply no way to trust him because he's working for the globalists.
dan friesen
Perhaps.
The issue isn't as easy to dismiss as just saying, like, I gotta give it up to Bill Maher.
There's just this larger contradiction that Alex is ignoring, and that is that Bill Maher works for the devil.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He works for the fucking devil.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
I mean, don't you remember all those times whenever people were like, hey, hey, hey, look, look.
I know Goebbels does a lot of bad things, but he's always really said nice things about me, so I kind of think he's working against Hitler at the end.
dan friesen
So there's a strong part of me that thinks that when Alex says he's the official mouthpiece of the globalist, what he's trying to say is, I don't like them.
I suspect that Alex knows that his show would look really pathetic if he replaced all the intrigue and supposedly documented conspiracies with just him whining about how he doesn't like people and certain ideas.
But that's pretty much what's underneath the entire show.
jordan holmes
It's pretty remarkable.
Here are a bunch of documented examples of people being mean to me.
Now I will tell you why I don't like them for the next six years.
dan friesen
Here's a documented...
You know, it's in the white papers that I think this guy's a prick.
Great.
Cool.
jordan holmes
I was...
At a bar with Chuck Schumer, and he didn't tip enough, so fuck that guy.
dan friesen
So Alex plays this clip from Bill Maher's show that is, like, pretty encouraging.
It's like, what the fuck are we doing?
bill maher
You know, because, like, now they want us to do all these boosters we were talking about with Andrew.
unidentified
I mean, I don't want a booster.
Look, I never wanted the vaccine.
owen shroyer
I took one for the team.
unidentified
And by the way, you know who doesn't get a lot of vaccines?
owen shroyer
Millennials.
I know a lot of millennials, especially the 20-year-olds.
jordan holmes
They don't want it.
owen shroyer
They don't want it.
They don't think they need it.
They're probably right.
But I tell them, I didn't want it either.
I took one for the team.
unidentified
But every eight months, you're going to put this shit in me?
owen shroyer
I don't know about that.
Maybe I don't need one.
I don't want a one-size-fits-all.
My body may be different than your body.
dan friesen
Nothing screams hip like a 65-year-old dude who knows a lot of millennials.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Also, just to fill Bill in on it, 20-year-olds aren't millennials.
Millennials are between 25 and 40. We're old now.
jordan holmes
Everybody remembers we're old.
Why do people still call kids millennials?
They're completely different from us.
We're old!
dan friesen
Also, there's no reason to just conclude that booster shots for COVID would be required every eight months.
A lot of times people are recommended to get booster shots for vaccines on a particular schedule.
Like for tetanus, it's like every 10 years.
What's going on here is that Bill Maher is falling into the same trap that the right-wing media is exploiting, where they take the CDC's announcement that people who are eight months past their point of full vaccination could be eligible to get a booster shot.
And then they're reporting that as if it means that people are going to need booster shots every eight months.
That's a lazy conclusion to come to, and I understand why it's the kind of conversation that plays on Bill Maher's show.
His whole brand is like trying to be edgy, sort of funny and impotently iconoclastic.
So this is exactly how he would have that talk.
It's just not a serious point.
The Department of Health and Human Services put out a press release discussing the option of getting a booster shot, and it's exactly that, an option.
It'll offer greater protection, but there's no indication from the text that anyone's going to be required to take it.
Some people, like Dr. Celine Gunder of the NYU Medical School, they're a little bit wary of the booster plan, but not for the same reasons as Alex and some dum-dums like Bill Maher.
Gounder explained to NPR that, quote, vaccines need to be thought of as population-level interventions.
Also from the article, quote, she argues that getting a higher percentage of people vaccinated will protect the community more than giving already vaccinated people additional shots because it provides community immunity, which reduces the amount of virus present.
jordan holmes
I think she's clearly forgotten that we don't give a shit about community and I only care about myself.
Give me protection and then no one else!
dan friesen
Another voice criticizing the plan is Dr. Mike Ryan, the head of the World Health Organization's Health Emergencies Program.
Ryan makes the very solid point that there are tons of people in the developing world who are in need of vaccines and that prioritizing boosters was like, quote, planning to hand out extra life jackets to people who already have life jackets and leaving other people to drown.
There's a lot of intertwined issues that touch on this plan to have booster shot campaigns in the United States, but all of the actual reality-based things have nothing to do with what these idiots like Alex and Bill Maher make their careers complaining about.
There's real discussions to be had.
It's not these ones.
jordan holmes
That's such a great analogy.
That's such a great analogy because it's so fucking airtight.
I imagine somebody hearing that guy say it to their face and going like, Well, I mean, when you put it like that, it does sound bad.
Yes.
Okay?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It does.
Damn it!
Like, there's not much to say to it other than like, yeah, you're right.
Yep.
Fuck.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think the best argument you could have to that is just sort of like staring at the person quizzically.
jordan holmes
Yeah, just...
Yeah.
That's when you close the door behind them.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex does a little bit of yelling.
Well, he's got it.
He likes to.
jordan holmes
You know, it's a Thursday.
dan friesen
You know, there's a lot of people who are blaming anti-vex people and people who refuse to get vaccinated for kids having to wear masks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I mean, it's their fault.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
jordan holmes
No, no, I mean, it's directly their fault.
dan friesen
No, it's Fauci.
jordan holmes
No, he knows cause and effect.
dan friesen
No, it's Fauci.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
alex jones
So you're holding us hostage and then saying, oh, those of you who don't take the shots, you're the reason.
Two-year-olds gotta wear a mask when it does nothing.
You people are damn cult leaders and we see through you.
You need to be in frickin' prison.
You people cooked it up.
You released it.
And you need to be held.
And you need to be charged.
And you need to be tried.
unidentified
And you need to have your necks broken.
alex jones
After you've been convicted legally in a court of law.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Good save.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
That one should count in law.
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know what I bet?
There's enough of a pause there that I bet somebody in his earpiece just went...
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
No, if somebody's like...
dan friesen
Or someone's just like, Alex.
jordan holmes
If you include that in a fucking trial and they're like, well, see, he said it at the end.
Fuck you.
dan friesen
Fuck you.
jordan holmes
You know he didn't mean that fucking shit.
Fuck you.
dan friesen
Yeah, I got carried away.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You said it.
Own up to it.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, I have a question for you.
This is time for Knowledge Fight InfoWars quiz.
So, what's the plan?
unidentified
No, no, no, hold on.
jordan holmes
Oh, today?
dan friesen
No.
Okay, so based on everything you know about the COVID conspiracy that Alex has been pitching, what does it lead to?
Right.
What is the end goal of all this for the globalists?
jordan holmes
I believe the globalists want to wipe out 90% of the population and then keep a utopic state just for themselves after the devastation has settled.
dan friesen
I'm not even positive I'm going to...
jordan holmes
I mean, do they want to get off planet now?
dan friesen
I think they might want to get off planet.
jordan holmes
I think they want to get off planet.
dan friesen
They have armored redoubts, but I don't know how permanent that is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not like a forever solution.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
No, you've got to get off planet.
And they're working with extra-dimensional beings who I assume have promised them to get off planet.
So, yeah, they're just trying to get rid of us.
dan friesen
Sure.
That's sort of towards the end.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
The COVID thing is to kill off most of the population, right?
No.
jordan holmes
No, the COVID thing is to get us to take the vaccines to kill off most of the population.
dan friesen
Right, right.
Good clarification.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Apparently not.
Apparently this is all just to cause a financial collapse.
jordan holmes
Oh, really?
alex jones
That's why there's sudden Satanism on TV and pedophilia on TV and world government on TV and all these lies because they're getting ready for a total financial collapse.
And, you know, we really should just talk about that because this demoralization, these poison shots, that's just getting us ready for the collapse.
And, you know, you tune in here to get tomorrow's news today.
jordan holmes
I don't even give that to you tomorrow.
alex jones
We'll start of next hour.
I'm going to get more into what's coming next to this total collapse because there's still time to mitigate how bad it's going to be, but not much.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
So it's apparently all about the summer of rage.
The dollar is going to collapse.
jordan holmes
Give me one how.
There's still time to mitigate what's coming.
dan friesen
Bunker?
I don't know.
Look, this is nonsense.
You don't get to add in like, oh, this is secretly actually...
About precipitating a global financial collapse.
I know that that is part of his narratives that he's had for a while.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But the vaccines and the killing off of the population is not to lead to a financial collapse.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
His conception is that the financial collapse is supposed to cause civil unrest, which allows for a crackdown, which brings in martial law that leads to the extermination of the population.
jordan holmes
You can't have A leading to B, but B also leads to A. All right, let me try and visualize this better for you.
dan friesen
This is like a perpetual motion machine of conspiracy.
jordan holmes
No, here's what I think.
Here's what I think, all right?
So he's got apocalypses every morning lined up.
At the starting line, right?
Like a horse race.
And every morning, whoever wins the horse race is the globalist's final plan, you know?
It's like, oh, we got the financial apocalypse coming around the bend!
The financial apocalypse!
Oh, no, no, we've got the globalists poisoning everybody!
unidentified
Oh, my God, in the first place is financial apocalypse!
jordan holmes
And that's the day, you know?
And then the next morning, it's a new race.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Did you ever see that web series Brody Stevens interview challenge?
Uh-uh.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It was a web series where Brody Stevens would interview a comedian, like Patton Oswalt was on one, and there was a mysterious man who was pulling the strings who would give Brody Stevens challenges that he had to accomplish during the interview.
jordan holmes
God, Brody Stevens is so great.
dan friesen
With Patton Oswalt, one of them was that he couldn't let Patton eat bread.
But he couldn't explain why.
jordan holmes
He couldn't explain why.
So there's bread all around?
Of course there's bread all around, yes.
unidentified
So it's set up to make for weird circumstances.
dan friesen
I like to imagine that maybe...
Alex wakes up every morning, and there is, like, the shadow man there.
Here's what you have to sell as the apocalypse today.
jordan holmes
Here's what you have to try and do today.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That was a long walk to make that metaphor make sense.
It worked.
I like that show quite a bit.
jordan holmes
Hey, any reference to Brody is a good one.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Positive energy!
dan friesen
Enjoy it!
So, uh...
Alex plays this Bill Maher clip, and that takes up a good part of the beginning of the show, but he has another clip that's very important that he also gets to here in this opening stretch.
alex jones
Let's finish up with a Brett Favre clip.
unidentified
Info that the vaccine is safe, effective, and needed, and is a public health matter.
I mean, would you urge your current players to be getting a vaccine?
I mean, have you been vaccinated?
I'd rather not say one way or the other, but I think it's not my place to say get the vaccine or don't get the vaccine.
I think that's a matter of choice by all individuals, and that's why we live in America.
You yourself, I mean, you don't want to say, which I respect, but you don't trust the vaccines?
alex jones
Let's just hit pause.
Hey, lady, when's the last time you visited your gynecologist?
Did he stick his fingers in you?
I mean, that's a rude thing to say, isn't it?
Because it's your medical records, lady, and he's got his medical records.
You remember?
Your body, your choice?
Understand?
Stay out of my body, you CNN witch!
dan friesen
That's really weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm gonna go with reject that.
Just no.
Blanket no.
dan friesen
Very weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is kind of cherry-picking stuff from the CNN interview with Brett Favre.
For instance, Alex has conveniently cut out this little nugget from the interview.
unidentified
And this is from experts, experts on both sides of the argument.
And, you know, the vaccine or the vaccines that have been administered within the last, what, six to eight months didn't go through a 20- or 30-year human trial study that FDA requires.
So, we're sort of the human trials, if you will.
dan friesen
Alex probably doesn't want to play a clip like that because it makes Brett sound like what he is, an ex-football player who doesn't really know what he's talking about trying to bluff his way through a fairly polite TV interview.
Also, it's probably important to note that Brett Favre wasn't on CNN to talk about his vaccine suspicions.
That was just something that came up.
He was on because he recently put out a PSA urging parents not to let their kids play tackle football because of concerns about CTE.
In 2018, Favre told Megyn Kelly that he probably had thousands of concussions over the span of his career.
This leaves me in really iffy territory.
On the one hand, I applaud Favre for speaking out and trying to protect the next generation from suffering head trauma and potential brain damage.
But on the other hand, I think that if he's doing it while he's also spouting bullshit about COVID vaccines, I worry that he might not be the best concussion awareness ambassador.
Big picture, I'm not really sure I care about what a former football player says about medical advice on a TV show that I don't watch.
Apparently for Alex Jones, the most serious chronicler of the collapse of Western civilization, this is big news.
jordan holmes
I can't stress this enough.
If you are someone who has played professional football and has received the number of concussions that Brett Harv has, which is astronomical.
dan friesen
He said thousands.
jordan holmes
When I watched football, he was playing, and yeah, I believe it.
I believe that kind of number from him.
He should talk about concussions.
He knows about concussions.
Do you know what somebody who has had thousands of concussions doesn't know about?
Vaccines!
That's just how it goes!
I'm fine with that!
dan friesen
And there's a certain amount of feeling on my part that, like, I don't know how much that was what he planned to talk about.
So maybe that's just on a poorly structured interview.
jordan holmes
No one should ask him what he thinks about that at all.
dan friesen
It's very much not relevant.
jordan holmes
Here's what you think about.
A post-route...
Concussions.
The end, Brett Favre.
And maybe sending dick pics.
dan friesen
But for Alex, I just think this is kind of embarrassing.
It feels like the headlines on Alex's show just kind of boil down to him cruising Twitter for a few clips of things that are...
Kind of in pop culture.
And then he just yells about them for a few hours.
Like, imagine the opposite version of this.
How seriously would you take an ostensibly left-wing truth-teller who insisted that they had all the details about the nefarious plans of the right-wing, who weirdly took most of their time on their show critiquing points made on, like, Greg Gutfeld's show, where people are trying to be funny, and celebrating something like, I don't know, Randall Cunningham or John Elway saying that vaccines are cool.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
That's what I'm about here, buddy.
dan friesen
If someone took their time, like, really thinking that these were important, like, these are headlines we need to really focus on, they'd look pretty fucking stupid.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're staring down the barrel of climate change extinction-level events, but first, I gotta shit-talk these guys on the morning zoo crew where I'm from.
dan friesen
Hey, uh, look.
jordan holmes
1090 AM up my butt!
dan friesen
The right wing's got some really nefarious things afoot, but in good news...
Dan Marino likes to recycle.
What?
jordan holmes
Oh, Dan Marino.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex teases that he has a guest coming up.
A very exciting guest.
alex jones
Political prisoner Owen Schroyer will be joining us coming up in the last 45 minutes of the fourth hour.
He was only in jail for about four or five hours in the federal jail yesterday, and the judge put some restrictions on him not to talk to people involved on January 6th about the case.
That would be you.
But at the same time, he is a talk show host, and everything he did is on body cam.
So what we did is on record.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is not good.
This isn't a good idea.
jordan holmes
I think what he should do...
Alright, now, and you're gonna say no, but stick with me through the end, okay?
The first thing he does, he comes out and he places a million dollar bounty on whoever...
unidentified
Ooh!
dan friesen
This has worked in the past!
Um...
Yeah, I think that this is such a testament to how minor the situation with Owen is.
jordan holmes
Fine, go back on TV.
No one cares.
dan friesen
Yeah, what a political prisoner.
What a Gestapo state we live in where he had to be processed for a couple of hours and then he is free to go back to work on a propaganda show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, you know, it was really strange when I read about it that, you know, Because we all know the story of Nelson Mandela, obviously.
We know that.
What was so strange is that he only had to go to jail for like four or five hours.
dan friesen
Yeah, he was on Robben Island for a couple hours.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he was just hanging out, and then he did his regular show like normal, like most political prisoners.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's fighting against the power, man.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's often forgotten.
That's what the Mandela effect actually refers to.
jordan holmes
You know, I mean, there's a Chevron lawsuit against a guy that's kept him fucking under house arrest for two years because he fought against their destroying a population.
But you know what?
unidentified
He's still allowed to go on his goddamn radio show!
jordan holmes
No, he's fucking not!
Goddammit, I hate these.
dan friesen
And I think one of the other things that really is important, and this is going to come up whenever Owen's on the show, is that, like, Whatever the case is, he's being allowed to profit off his arrest.
So if you're Alex, you have to get some bad news that your boy got popped.
He's going to the clink.
He's gonna be doing a hard bid.
jordan holmes
Do you want to roleplay that with me?
Okay.
You tell me.
I'm Alex.
You tell me.
dan friesen
Oh, I wanted to be Alex.
jordan holmes
Okay, fine.
Hey, Alex.
Hey, Alex.
Just real quick.
I just want to let you know I was arrested.
No, stop.
Stop in the nose.
We talked about this.
It's in between the toes.
Yeah, anyways, I was arrested for January 6th.
I am going to do almost zero jail time.
dan friesen
Bring me Leanne McAdoo.
jordan holmes
Is that Joppa the Alex Jones hut?
dan friesen
I can replace you in a minute.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones the hut.
dan friesen
I like it.
Alex, you get this bad news that the War Room host is maybe going to be inconvenienced for a couple hours.
jordan holmes
Hey, I'm not going to make it to your son's baseball game.
dan friesen
And then to make matters worse, you have to see the left celebrated on Twitter.
alex jones
The left got very upset, very, very, very upset to learn that Owen was not taken away to D.C. to be put in solitary confinement.
Literally, his name trended yesterday, so did mine, in the top ten of Twitter, with people wishing for his death, people wishing for his execution.
I don't even hate these weird people on Twitter.
jordan holmes
I wish for executions all the time.
I get it.
alex jones
I feel sorry for them because they are such authoritarians, but they're not even part of the power structure.
They're just there like a mob wanting to exact revenge on those of us.
That have just simply tried to save the country.
dan friesen
It is very sad.
jordan holmes
Wow!
Could you get more projected than that?
dan friesen
It's pretty fun.
jordan holmes
That's a...
That's...
Wow.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Again, it's just...
This is a remarkable thing of, like, I saw a random tweet and it's now the doctrine position of the left.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
It's bizarre.
jordan holmes
I know, but to stand next to the people on the 6th when that happened and then to turn and look at the left and say...
They're just a mob.
Wild.
Wild shit.
Wild.
dan friesen
So if you know Alex Jones, you know that he likes two things.
One, talking.
Two, going off air.
alex jones
There are so many powerful John Bound reports that he's been doing lately, and I enjoy talking on the show.
But at the same time, when we get really, really powerful reports and things in, I think it's really important to air those on the broadcast.
And so we're going to play this report right now.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I love to talk, and I also love to take a little break.
Take a little breaky!
jordan holmes
Take a little breaky!
The only thing I love more than doing my show is not doing my show.
alex jones
We'll be right back.
dan friesen
Yep.
So Alex gets to talking about some COVID news, and he has a big one.
Big, big piece.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
And then here's one from Forbes.
Oh, they got mixed in with my Joe Biden stack.
I'd lost this.
Oh, look.
Pfizer shot just 39% effective against COVID now.
Oh, my gosh.
39%.
But you heard it worked so well.
dan friesen
First of all, I just love the way Alex sounds surprised by articles.
Like, he sees that headline and he's like, oh, look.
It's like he found something.
jordan holmes
It's kind of cute.
Well, I mean, you know, for somebody who does so much research, it's always nice to be surprised by the research you've done.
dan friesen
Yeah, you found something under a rock.
Isn't this exciting?
Second, this isn't a new article.
This is a month-old piece that was going over some data from Israel, where some indications were showing that the Pfizer vaccine was about 39% effective at protecting people from COVID, including the Delta variant.
But Alex is intentionally only telling half the story.
The same Forbes article also covers how the same announcement included a finding that the vaccine offered 92% protection against hospitalization and 91% protection against severe illness.
Alex is also intentionally ignoring the part of this article that discusses the other research that has found conflicting numbers on the general efficacy of the vaccine.
What's going on is just Alex is cherry-picking a detail from a month-old article and ignoring the rest of it that doesn't work for him in pretending that it's news.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Tomorrow's news today, or a month ago's news tomorrow, yesterday.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's tough.
It's tough, because what you want the headline of the article to be is essentially, you know, like, hey, there's a 90-some-odd percent chance that you won't get sick or die, so you know what?
Maybe the vaccine doesn't protect against the virus forever perfectly, but you know what?
You're not going to get sick and die, so that's a pretty good win on that overall, right?
And that's just too long for a headline.
dan friesen
It would be tough to get that into MLA grammar.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's like an 1860s headline is what that is, yeah.
dan friesen
So I long for Alex making specifics, talking about specifics, because they're the things that you're able to really assess more than his...
Fauci should be hung, or whatever.
The rambling nonsense kind of just drifts into the background.
jordan holmes
I can't believe those bloodthirsty people on the left who would just want violence to happen?
Gross.
dan friesen
Unbelievable.
jordan holmes
Disgusting.
dan friesen
So in this clip, it's 25 seconds long, Alex makes two specific claims, and I enjoy it.
alex jones
You know, I used to joke, and I said, there'll come a time when they claim it's a conspiracy theory that mothers ever breastfed, because they're trying to phase that out because it makes people not as smart, not as healthy.
Pretty good.
All your natural vaccines is the colostrum.
And now we're pretty much to that point.
Most births are cesarean.
Most people don't breastfeed.
And you can see it.
I mean, it's sad.
People are dull.
They're dumbed down.
They just don't have a life force.
They're asleep.
dan friesen
Alex made two statements that we can assess.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
dan friesen
Most people give birth by C-section, and most people don't breastfeed.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
According to data from 2019, C-section rates in the United States are approximately 31%, which is a bit shy of most people.
Sure.
In many cases, C-sections are absolutely necessary, but apparently it's also an area where there could be intentional or unintentional complications at the medical point of service.
For one thing, many hospitals have limited space for people in labor, and in the interest of making sure that they can cater to all their patients, it's possible that some doctors could do more C-sections than are strictly necessary in order to keep space open.
jordan holmes
So maybe those stories where it's like, oh, I spent 28 hours in labor are also what they're leaving.
And if he needed the space, maybe I would have been in labor for six hours and gotten a C-section.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
I'm just saying that that's now in my brain where it wasn't before.
dan friesen
An article in The Atlantic points out how data seems to indicate that a lot of the prevalence in C-sections can be attributed to this type of behavior.
Quote, if there's any doubt that the culture of individual hospitals can have an effect on a patient's choice of a C-section, one only need observe that hospitals' C-section rates vary from 7% to 70%.
Differences in patient complexity cannot account for that spread.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Wow.
Capitalism to the rescue again.
dan friesen
Well, there are other issues that are related to fixed payments that doctors get for performing C-sections as opposed to a vaginal delivery.
jordan holmes
Give it to me.
dan friesen
Apparently, C-sections net around in as much as 15% more per surgery.
So there are some confounding factors that are...
jordan holmes
This is where we go back to this shit of like...
Man, if there weren't such a base level of corruption, it wouldn't be as easy to fuck around.
dan friesen
Some of this is understandable, even possible, as subconscious corruption.
jordan holmes
Totally!
dan friesen
Totally!
It doesn't even need to be intentional scamming or anything.
jordan holmes
Of course not!
dan friesen
There are things that people could just...
jordan holmes
Just that operational pressure of not being told ever once, like, hey, we need this bed, we need to get this out, you've got to do this C-section, but just a constant awareness of, hey, we're running low on hospital beds.
Hey, there's all this stuff going on.
Hey, the budget's tight.
Hey, all this stuff is in the back of a doctor's mind, and that happens.
That's humanity.
dan friesen
And the way that the Atlantic article put it, I think, is good, is the culture of individual hospitals.
I think that some places may have more...
Of that pressure that affects treatment.
jordan holmes
Hey, when the bottom line is profit, treatment's gonna suffer.
dan friesen
There are a lot of interesting issues to unpack as it relates to the issue of C-sections, but Alex is completely wrong about the numbers, and he's also wrong about the idea that C-sections somehow hurt the child.
As for breastfeeding...
Did you know that the CDC releases an annual breastfeeding report card for the United States?
jordan holmes
I did not know that a thing like that existed or why.
dan friesen
You do know now.
jordan holmes
I do now.
dan friesen
You can find the 2020 report card, and if you do, you'll find that 84.1% of Americans who gave birth in 2017 breastfed, with over 25% exclusively breastfeeding for the first six months.
jordan holmes
That's still enough.
dan friesen
The call to action on this report card includes both, quote, celebrate state achievements in breastfeeding and breastfeeding supportive maternity care practices and, quote, bring together partners to promote and support breastfeeding.
It's so weird that the CDC would be saying that since they're an evil globalist behemoth and they want to kill everyone.
So weird.
Almost like everything Alex says doesn't mean anything.
jordan holmes
If they didn't say it, and if what they did say actually confirms the opposite, it's almost like I shouldn't trust what Alex is saying.
dan friesen
Also, just for fun, the top seven states in terms of their score on the MPINC scale, the maternity practices and infant nutrition and care, they're all blue states.
California, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Delaware, New York, Connecticut, and fucking Rhode Island knocking it out of the park with a score of 95. Taking home the gold.
jordan holmes
I swear, if Alex knew this like he actually knew it...
He would have a complete different angle of like, how dare these blue states come and tell me how to raise my kids by breastfeeding them?
dan friesen
I believe in capitalism and I support the formula industry.
jordan holmes
I want more formula.
I want more C-sections because the bottom line is suffering.
dan friesen
Mike Lindell has a my formula he's putting out.
jordan holmes
It's good stuff.
Yeah, if he could compete with breast milk, he would.
dan friesen
Anyway, the point is, nothing Alex says means anything.
He's just basically making all this stuff up as he goes along because it feels right to him.
Feels good for...
For him to be saying that the globalists and the man and the government, they want to break down the relationship that humans have with each other.
They don't want you to breastfeed.
They want to make you dumb.
Well, it's just based on nothing.
So this clip I thought was pretty funny.
alex jones
And I think more and more, instead of just covering all the news and all the information, we should talk about the spirituality and God and how to get out of the trance and ways to break the conditioning and just whether you're old or young or black or white.
Or male or female or where you live.
The real thing is, it's a growing process, and I'm not perfect either.
And it's fun to bash liberals, and it's fun to get mad at them, and it's fun to talk about how stupid they are, but that's a reflection on us that we've let that happen.
Wow.
jordan holmes
Deep.
alex jones
I love all these people, other than conscious demons like Fauci and Bill Gates and people.
At the very top.
But most of these people are scared.
They're just trying to belong to something.
dan friesen
What about us?
jordan holmes
Then why are you trying to kill everybody?
alex jones
They're finding out they're losing all their medical autonomy, all their future, all their freedom.
And they know deep down that it's a fraud, so they're scared.
And we've got to reach out to them in a loving, nice way and try to get people on our side that way.
Because I've had the big, brash approach, and that's been successful with a lot of people.
And I think I should still have it sometimes, but God's really laid it on my heart that...
We need to just get back to really loving people and really valuing humanity and really caring about everybody and realizing that love is the answer.
dan friesen
Love is the answer.
Quote Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I swear to God.
I swear to God.
I'm throwing baseballs at everybody.
dan friesen
It's fun, man.
jordan holmes
That's insane.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's insane.
You know what?
And here's the other thing that just occurred to me.
So the people who Alex...
The people who follow this far-right stuff, the women specifically, do they realize how close these people would see C-section to abortion very quickly?
If they got rid of abortion, if you banned abortion, they're gonna have to pick something else that's unnatural and unholy, and it's gonna eventually get to women, and there you go!
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
You know, it's not hard to put that together and be like, no, a natural birth is what it should be, and you should always try and save the child's life and not the mother's life.
It takes zero time to get there.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Loves the answer, though.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a good point.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, I just gotta say that if Alex thinks that the new direction for his show should be not covering the news and talking about rambly, pseudo-spiritual bullshit...
jordan holmes
I think it's a great idea.
dan friesen
...job is done.
The show is already there.
You don't need to change a thing.
jordan holmes
No, what he's saying is he wants to lower the facade.
I guess.
I just want to be truthful.
dan friesen
I welcome that, because the pretense is annoying at this point.
jordan holmes
It's very annoying.
dan friesen
So Alex doesn't like remdesivir.
jordan holmes
Now.
dan friesen
Right, because he did before.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But he still likes hydroxychloroquine.
He still kind of likes ivermectin.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he has another one he likes now.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Look, this remdesivir.
That we've been seeing getting pushed by Fauci and people has less than 8% efficacy, and it costs a bunch of money.
They made money off that, didn't help people.
But notice what they've not been promoting, Regeneron.
Regeneron creates a bunch of clone-wide blood cells for mice, trains them to only kill COVID, puts them in you.
They're all screens, which is not like from prisoners or something, they're blood.
And it goes in with basically no side effects.
Cleans everything out.
Now, there might be stuff we don't know about long-term.
No short-term stuff, really.
Because it doesn't change your body.
It sends something in that goes through and cleans it out, and then you urinate it and defecate it out.
You pass it through your body.
unidentified
You just piss out the cloned rat cells.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Doesn't that sound like something Alex would be against?
jordan holmes
It's 100% something he's against!
It's cloned rat cells!
dan friesen
It sounds identical to things that he yells about being devilry.
jordan holmes
Fucking Christ.
I would never put this shit in that the FDA hasn't approved.
You can't trust a vaccine.
Now, these rat stem cells, you just piss them out.
dan friesen
You just piss them out.
jordan holmes
You just piss them out.
dan friesen
So it's really funny that Alex is promoting the use of Regeneron.
See, one of the big complaints about the COVID vaccine for these people is that it wasn't FDA approved, although that's no longer true for Pfizer.
But then Alex is willing to jump on board with something like this, which is also not FDA approved.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, none of his shit is FDA approved because it doesn't have to be.
dan friesen
Right, but that's not the case with this.
This does have an emergency use authorization.
And it does seem like, for what it's worth, there are some indications that getting four injections of this cocktail of antibodies can be effective in helping reduce a person's risk of hospitalization.
jordan holmes
Hey, I don't want to get a vaccine!
They're going to stab me with something that I don't understand!
Once or twice!
But this?
Four times!
If you stab me four times, you know it's good.
dan friesen
Yeah, there are some indications that it could be effective, but it is not a good pandemic control strategy.
It's only useful for people who already have COVID, and it's effective only early on in a case, so that could be a tough window to hit for most people.
That being said, if you go to their own website, to the Regeneron website, you can see that it does have some side effects that Alex maybe should be concerned about.
Quote, serious adverse events were reported in 1.6% of patients in the 2400 milligram group.
These included, quote, pneumonia, hyperglycemia, nausea, and vomiting.
Now, it's important to point out that this can't be used to conclude that the Regeneron treatment actually caused those side effects.
But if I were Alex...
That's how I would report this.
jordan holmes
That's what you would say.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So there are short-term side effects that were associated with people who are in the trials.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Anyway, the only reason that people like Alex are promoting this now is because Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has opened some Regeneron sites attempting to put a Band-Aid on the COVID problem in his state.
Of course...
This is really dicey, because Regeneron is part-owned by the hedge fund Citadel, and their CEO, Kenneth Griffin, has donated over $10 million to DeSantis' campaigns in 2018 and 2022.
While the drug cocktail itself may be promising, this whole thing has a very strong smell of corruption to it.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
It's a little bit worrying.
jordan holmes
That is fucking Banana Republic shit right there.
That's straight up like...
Anybody?
Is anybody watching?
dan friesen
Well, I think the argument that I saw that DeSantis had was that there were two possible antibody-related treatments.
One was Eli Lilly, one was this Regeneron, and the Regeneron showed more efficacy in relation to the Delta variant, and that's why he chose to go with it.
But that may be 100% true.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It very well could be, and medicine itself could...
Have as much promise as it appears to.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That said, the circumstances surrounding this still make it really fucking dicey.
jordan holmes
Well, and there's the fact that he's still profiting off of the deaths of people in his state.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, as you pointed out, Alex definitely was promoting Remdesivir back when it was a thing that Trump and the right-wing chorus were all excited about.
jordan holmes
Oh, they fucking loved it!
It was great!
It was way better than doing any of that other stuff.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
Blah.
dan friesen
So anyway, get ready for him to promote Regeneron for a little while.
jordan holmes
And then hate it whenever it doesn't go well.
dan friesen
And then probably we'll see a lot of those Rogan types also probably promoting it pretty hard.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I wonder, man, I can't believe they do this shit for free.
You know, he's not gonna advertise MyPillow for free.
Why are you doing advertising Regeneron?
You should get a cut.
dan friesen
He has a promo code.
jordan holmes
You should get a promo code for Regeneron.
alex jones
Go to Regeneron slash Alex.
jordan holmes
Look, if you're not fucking serious about making money, get out of here.
dan friesen
You gotta hustle.
So one thing that Alex loves is talking.
Another thing he loves is going off air.
jordan holmes
Gotta go off air.
dan friesen
Another thing he loves is tech.
He's like a fucking Jetson.
jordan holmes
He's a genius.
alex jones
I'm Mr. George Jetson, baby.
I love technology.
If it's vetted...
If it doesn't have liability protection and if it's transparent.
jordan holmes
I like glass.
The end.
alex jones
And I'm glad that the governor of Texas has authorized for people that need it free Regeneron.
And the company's passed it on for no profit and is doing that.
dan friesen
This is a bunch of nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm gonna go with the company owned by Ken fucking Griffin is a non-profit.
dan friesen
Well, no, Ken Griffin owned Citadel.
He's the CEO of Citadel, who has a millions-dollar investment in Regeneron.
But also, that cocktail that Regeneron has is not any more vetted than any COVID vaccine that Alex hates, so that point is moot.
Secondly, the whole issue of liability protection is not to protect the companies, necessarily.
It's to protect consumers.
The entire system of paying people who could have been hurt by vaccines is set up to make it easier for people to get settlements since they would almost never be able to reach the burden of proof required in an actual courtroom.
The companies that produce vaccines are also protected because if they weren't, no one would be able to get settlements.
It's a collective good, so the state takes on that burden.
It makes total sense.
The words liability protection feel like a slam dunk when Alex says them, but they're really not.
Thirdly, Alex says that things have to be transparent.
And what's the definition of transparent to him?
It seems like there's a giant conflict of interest involved in Florida's operating this large-scale Regeneron campaign, and that doesn't scream transparency to me.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I don't know what this means.
When you said glass, it's like, yes.
Do you mean physically transparent?
jordan holmes
I think he means physically transparent.
dan friesen
I don't like opaque things.
jordan holmes
I mean, he would like his phone, but he can't see through it because it's not both sides glass, you see?
dan friesen
Yeah, and also, just because at the point of treatment...
They aren't charging consumers for Regeneron shots?
That doesn't mean the company isn't making a profit.
For one thing, in late 2020, they received a $450 million contract from the federal government to produce this treatment, and in January 2021, the federal government bought all the company's supply for a price estimated at $2.6 billion.
jordan holmes
Man, sometimes you just see this corruption and you're really like, man...
We're just not doing shit, are we?
We're just not going to do it.
I mean, it's just not going to get done.
We're just going to live like this.
dan friesen
But also, if you're keeping score, these governors like DeSantis, they aren't even paying for this shit.
It's the federal government who Alex hates so much and is full of demons that is paying for this to be able to have people get at the point of treatment.
jordan holmes
That's why these governors are smart, because if you're smart, you're not going to pay for it.
You're going to make the government pay for it.
That's why you're smart if you don't pay taxes.
It makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
Makes total sense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That way no one else gets helped.
dan friesen
This is all just such bullshit.
Alex being like, I'm George fucking Jetson, baby.
I love technology.
If it's these three things that mean nothing.
jordan holmes
Figure out how to take a fucking call before you tell me you're George Jetson.
dan friesen
Instead of accurately discussing a story that he decided to cover on his show, he doesn't prepare at all, and he just chooses to make up details instead.
Like that Regeneron is supplying their injections at cost out of the goodness of their hearts.
jordan holmes
Insane thing to say.
dan friesen
It might as well just be riffing.
It's improv.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you're a conspiracy theorist...
That listens to Alex Jones, even Alex saying that a corporation would do something for no profit would have to make you raise your ears up a little bit.
dan friesen
It's a little silly.
jordan holmes
Really?
You're gonna go with these billionaires are not trying to make money off of this, and yet I'm supposed to believe that every billionaire is in a secret cult designed to make money off of my death?
Okay.
dan friesen
So there's a theme that develops kind of over the show, and that is this, like, they're trying to take away these human elements of our lives, like the breastfeeding and the vaginal births.
They're trying to turn us into pod people.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
alex jones
And here's the deal, guys.
They're taking control of the normal human biological system and saying you don't have an immune system.
Mothers can't give milk to babies.
Women can't give birth vaginally.
Your natural immunity doesn't work.
We've got to put you in a bubble and control your life.
Just stay in your bubble.
Don't look at the sunset.
Don't talk to your neighbors.
I mean, this is really happening.
This is the pod people.
They're trying to make us the pod people.
Wake up!
You say you want to fight tyranny.
You say you want to fund the second American revolution.
dan friesen
Got cut off.
Got caught off by the break there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, that was passionless.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was not heartfelt.
dan friesen
That felt like his emotions were...
unidentified
Wake up!
dan friesen
Yeah, he felt like a pod person.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he felt like he was replaced by someone.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he comes back from break, and he wants to explain why everything is going all topsy-turvy.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The world is in the state of chaos.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And I gotta say, he seems like he knows what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
Do you think so?
alex jones
And so...
A lot of this is because the top Rothschilds have died, the top Rockefellers have died, and I know a lot of people that know the top people, and I mean, they are just involved in torturing and murdering people and devil-worshipping and eating vats of feces and chopping their genitals off and torturing themselves.
I'm not joking around, okay?
This is not a joke.
I'm not just saying this for shock value.
People have learned that by now.
dan friesen
He's not joking around.
I don't know why you're laughing.
Sounds very serious.
jordan holmes
Bunch of people eating feces out of vats.
Listen, this is deadly serious, okay?
dan friesen
Very much so.
jordan holmes
It's deadly serious.
dan friesen
So for one thing, if these globalists are eating large amounts of poop, you would expect for a lot of them to constantly be in a state of having food poisoning.
jordan holmes
You would think.
dan friesen
Norovirus, rotavirus, and hepatitis A can all be transmitted through oral fecal means, and that's not even taking into account the tons of bacteria and parasites you risk exposing yourself to.
So they better make sure they got clean shit in those vats.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, and if you're cleaning your shit, what's the point?
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
You know, it ruins the fun.
Yeah, you're there to eat shit.
You're not there to eat...
dan friesen
Process shit.
Might as well have a hamburger.
jordan holmes
I want fresh, organic, farm-to-table shit.
dan friesen
You know, one of the big reasons that there are signs in every restaurant bathroom about how employees have to wash their hands before returning to work is because oral fecal contamination can lead to outbreaks of E. coli or Shingella.
I'm no doctor, but you gotta assume your risk would be much higher if you're eating poo by the vat.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, it's super weird how you can identify all of our oligarchs by how they die of poisoning every fucking day.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't say these things for shock value.
But I kind of have a suspicion that he's teasing his audience.
Like, I can get you to believe this shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, anything.
Let's see how far I can go.
What else do you want?
dan friesen
He's like a showboating.
jordan holmes
Look at me.
dan friesen
He's a showboating propagandist.
jordan holmes
There's no ground underneath me.
I'm floating.
What else do you dumb-dubs believe?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Also, I'm going to do some dribbling between my legs.
How about that?
You impressed by that?
I don't care.
dan friesen
So now that Alex has sold you on the vats of poop...
He also wants you to know that the globalists don't want you to look at sunsets anymore.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
alex jones
You know, my mother, I told this story 20 years ago.
I told it again just last year.
My mother said, you look at the sunset, and you look at the water and the waves and the beach, and you know it's beautiful, and you know it's good, and you commune with it, and you spiritually connect through God's creation to God, and that is a form of worship electromagnetically and spiritually to God.
And God made us to experience this with Him.
And what do they come out and say?
In Canada, in Australia, New Zealand, do not look at the sunset.
Well, statistically, if you look in the morning and at night when it's low on the horizon, so it's not bad for your eyes, it's been known to massively boost your IQ long-term to cure depression, you name it.
Sun gazing.
Don't look at it once it's up high at all, but right when it's on the horizon, through the filter of the dust, that light just does something in your brain.
And it's all these things God gave us they're trying to take away because these are Satanists.
Do you think these Satanists go at dawn and dusk and stare at the sun?
No, they don't.
jordan holmes
That sounds like a Satanist thing to do!
dan friesen
That sounds like a Satanist thing!
jordan holmes
Nah.
We show up at dawn and dusk.
unidentified
Nah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the transition between light and dark.
dan friesen
They don't do it.
jordan holmes
It's a fucking metaphor.
dan friesen
Nah.
Nope.
They don't do it.
And they don't want you to do it either.
jordan holmes
That's the most insane.
What are we doing?
What are we talking about?
What's happening?
dan friesen
Don't go outside.
jordan holmes
What's happening?
dan friesen
Don't go outside, dark, dusk, or dawn.
Don't you dare look at the sun during a transitional.
jordan holmes
Did you know that the liberals are trying to take away your sunsets?
dan friesen
Oh my god.
jordan holmes
Sure, fine.
Sure we are.
Alright, you have a good day.
Get on out of here.
dan friesen
I don't know what he's even talking about, but I have to assume it's something like don't stare at the sun.
jordan holmes
Don't stare at the sun has turned into a fucking culture war.
Great.
Fine.
Hey, if you stare at the sun for a half hour, you're gonna blow your eyes out.
How dare the government tell me what to stare at?
dan friesen
See, now this is the demons trying to get me to not look at sunsets because that's how I connect with God.
jordan holmes
Alex, look at the sunset directly into the sun for as long as you possibly can.
dan friesen
Oh man, if people enjoy sunsets and sunrises, more power to them.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's it.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I don't have another qualifier.
jordan holmes
Nothing else to say?
dan friesen
So I found this really fun, because this, again, is another thing that's sort of in that same chain of trying to take away these human things, like the breastfeeding and vaginal birth sunsets.
They're trying to turn us into pod people by letting us see the sunset.
jordan holmes
Can't see the sunset.
dan friesen
So Alex decides, we've got to take action.
jordan holmes
What are they going to do about the Northern Lights?
Are the Aurora Borealis still okay?
How long?
How long do we have before I can't see the Aurora Borealis?
dan friesen
Don't look at the Aurora Borealis.
jordan holmes
No, I've got to go now!
No, no, no.
dan friesen
That's the work of the Elder Gods.
Don't do that.
Well, that's fair.
Alex says we need to take action.
We need to take collective action about sunsets.
alex jones
You know, I want to do a human ritual with our listeners.
I just thought of this during the break.
I'll talk about it at the end of the show today.
jordan holmes
A human ritual?
alex jones
I want to pledge tonight and tomorrow night and the next night, because depending on where you are, the sun may not be clear in the sky, to only...
For like five minutes right as it's setting, you know, the safe time to do it.
To join me in gazing at God's incredible creation that gives us life and a celebration of life and to thank God.
And the media will spit it and say it's an occult ritual because that's the opposite.
They're telling us don't go look at the sunset, don't look at the sunrise.
And I would like to pledge to the listeners that At sundown central, it doesn't matter where you are in the world, at your sundown, that you go out for five minutes and just pray to God for a global awakening and pray to God for healing and pray to God to send light and love and good energy into the world to give people courage to stand up and do the right thing.
dan friesen
This show is fucking weird.
jordan holmes
I think what we need to do...
As a society, is get rid of all of our arguments, all of our TV shows, all of our government, and all as a country focus on creating a Truman Show situation for Alex Jones, where we all just do this weird shit.
All of us knowing that he's insane.
And we're just humoring him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because I do want him to walk outside some night and just see the entirety of America staring up at the sunlight with him.
That'd be beautiful.
dan friesen
That'd be beautiful.
I was going the other way with this.
I was thinking that the Truman Show we would put him in is all of us actually tell him not to look at the sunset.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
I want to go the other direction.
We live out his negative fantasies as opposed to his positive ones.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
I want to live in a world where what Alex says makes sense and he has to, like, suddenly...
It's like him hitting a wall at 60 miles an hour.
Whenever all of a sudden everybody believes everything he says is true, what will happen?
dan friesen
See, that is interesting because he would have to start complaining about something else.
And it would be fascinating to find out...
Like, how his survival instinct kicks in.
jordan holmes
Hey, buddy, we're all looking at the sunset now.
Now what?
Now what do you got?
What do you got now?
We're all here.
dan friesen
Let's all say that we love the Tenth Amendment.
jordan holmes
Love it.
Love it.
We're all saying yes.
We love it.
We love the Tenth Amendment.
What else you got?
dan friesen
Every state passed resolutions.
jordan holmes
When do you run out of bullshit?
dan friesen
Yeah.
We're not taking your guns.
jordan holmes
Fuck!
dan friesen
You secretly are trying to take my guns.
You actually want to hog all the sunset from me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's what it would.
Now the globalists are trying to hog the sunset.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There's only so much sunset.
jordan holmes
There's only so much.
dan friesen
So Alex, you know, he's mad that everybody wants to take his sunset and his breastfeeding away.
You know, he famously, very poetically said, Mama Titty.
Yes.
At a target.
unidentified
Indeed.
jordan holmes
He's on point.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Whole life proponent of breastfeeding.
jordan holmes
Big breastfeeding guy.
dan friesen
So he gets a little bit mad about this, the taking away of his humanity.
alex jones
We're trying to take our lives over.
We're trying to take our bodies over.
We're trying to follow the Nuremberg Code.
We're trying to put something deadly in us.
I mean, what do you want us to do?
When you're pepper spraying people's children and stuff, you think the good guys that don't want power and don't want violence, you think when you beat our kids up and our wives up and our fathers and brothers up, you think it makes us go away?
No, it makes us think about what we're going to do to you and we will do something.
Don't you worry about it.
Oh, and you're like, good, we'll call you terrorists.
Oh, really?
You'll just get the whole party going, won't you?
You can't even hold Afghanistan.
You can't run your blue cities full of feces and fentanyl.
All you can do is murder us all day and sit around and slap yourselves on the back.
But I see the videos in Nancy Pelosi's parties and Barack Obama's parties.
It looks like a bunch of trash and a bunch of unhappy garbage that all know they're losers and all know they're jokes.
dan friesen
I didn't want to go anyway.
Also, in terms of the blue cities being full of feces and fentanyl, feces, that's lunch.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's what we eat.
That's what we love here.
It's like those regions in the Appalachians where they all eat raw meat all the time.
They're like, ah, this is a delicacy here.
And you're like, you people...
Gotta stop.
You gotta stop.
dan friesen
I like the idea, too, that Alex is kind of like, we are going to do something to you.
Don't worry about it.
Like, if people are worried that he's not going to be violent.
unidentified
Oh, no, no.
jordan holmes
I was worried.
I was worried.
dan friesen
Pretty convinced that you're trying to get someone to be violent.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Anyway, the Democrats, everybody on the left, it's all just Satanism now.
alex jones
I mean, the whole thing is the Democratic Party are now Satanists.
And you go out to their events?
Undercover, they talk about how much they love Satan and all of it.
And they're really just a bunch of really soft, weird nerds that know Satan rules the planet, and they just want some petty power.
And then they also make jokes about, oh, it doesn't exist, there's not really Satanism, but then that's how they suck everybody into it to control them.
Yeah, Owen goes out to the abortion rallies, and literally the majority of them are, I want to kill babies, I love Satan.
And they're just demonic.
The women act like rabid dogs or something.
And this is what they've been turned into.
They don't love men, they don't love women, they love nobody.
They just run around, Satan, Satan, kill, kill.
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dan friesen
So these devils, they want to kill, kill, kill.
I have Tang for sale.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
These Satanists, though.
dan friesen
Also, I'm going to interview a guy who had a viral video.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah, quite jarring.
alex jones
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So we got this doctor guest.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And Alex has been presenting him as somebody who's a doctor.
That's what he says.
jordan holmes
I mean, he did name him Doctor.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yep.
You would not be wrong to assume that maybe this is a medical doctor.
jordan holmes
Well, I'm assuming that, and now you're concerning me in my assumption.
dan friesen
Well, you would have assumed that because it's about medical issues.
jordan holmes
That's why you would have a doctor.
dan friesen
This is a video where the guy is talking to his school board.
jordan holmes
Dr. Blank, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, you'd kind of think that.
And I think Alex probably thought that.
Yeah.
He's wrong.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And maybe he learned that.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
alex jones
But our guest, when the producer got him on the phone yesterday, wanted to talk to me, and he said, listen, I want to clear something up.
I went to that high school, and I was there, and I'm a well-known PhD in education, and when you're there, you say what town you live in.
It's Oxford.
I'm not a doctor from Oxford.
The internet had been saying that, so that's cleared up.
But did you still let me on?
I said, yeah, now that I know who you are, I've seen your writings before, and I've heard about some of your books.
I really want you on the show because you're an articulate person.
And it doesn't matter if you're a PhD in education or a medical doctor or a school teacher or, as I said, some guy that, you know, trims people's bushes for a living.
We're all humans and can observe what's going on and speak out.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
Sure.
Not only was I aware that you are a PhD in education who lives in Oxford for didn't go to Oxford, not only did I know that, I was fully aware of your writings and I love your work.
jordan holmes
Bullshit.
Instant crash course in uh-oh that this PhD had of like, oh, I realize now that they're gonna think I'm a doctor from Oxford.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's not going to be good.
dan friesen
I don't want to misrepresent myself.
I would like to give you an opportunity to bail on this interview.
That's what he was saying to the producer.
jordan holmes
Please, sir, you need to know this.
I know why this is happening.
I didn't intend for it.
dan friesen
I'm not going to play along with that if that's the pretense.
jordan holmes
I'm a doctor of education from the city of Oxford.
It's not the same thing.
dan friesen
Now, this guy in his video that went mega uber viral.
jordan holmes
Mega uber super viral.
dan friesen
He does sound a little bit unhinged.
unidentified
The jabs create spike proteins.
They're in the jabs themselves.
And they create it by snapping your RNA in half.
You are no longer a human anymore.
You are something else.
And you are susceptible to countless diseases.
Now here's what's going to happen in the future very quickly.
You have 15 seconds.
jordan holmes
Great.
unidentified
I don't know what percentage of your staff has taken the jabs, but your school is going to close.
You will not stay open.
You will close because they will fall ill and they will die.
That will happen in all of your buildings.
It's already happening.
Thank you, sir.
I bet it is.
It's already happening.
Good luck because nothing can stop what's happening.
alex jones
All right, so we need to be alarmist about this because this is the big globalist move and everything he says you can document.
dan friesen
This is a really tough way for me to find out that I and you and almost everybody I know are no longer humans.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I think a real quick question to that would just be like, what is a human, you stupid piece of shit?
Give me a definition that if my quote-unquote RNA gets broken in half, now I'm not a human.
Tell me why.
Just give me a real explanation of why a full unbroken-in-half RNA counts.
dan friesen
You are a human if and only if your RNA is unbroken.
jordan holmes
Yay!
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
I like it.
It's like a hymen.
dan friesen
I guess by virtue of that, too, you don't have rights anymore.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, of course not.
You're no longer a human because you got the jab, so we don't have to treat you...
dan friesen
Or, I guess the flip side of the argument is that everything have human rights.
I guess this is going to be a dangerous road for this doctor of education to go down.
Probably doesn't want to have that conversation, and that's fine, because I don't either.
jordan holmes
Hey, have you ever considered that if the definition of humanity is more a social thing that we've all agreed upon, that if more people have broken RNA than have non-broken RNA, all of a sudden we're the humans, and you're the not-human?
How do you feel about that?
Do you see how your logic might make you a fucking moron?
Have you considered that?
For one second, sir...
dan friesen
I don't know if he has.
jordan holmes
I doubt it.
dan friesen
So he's going to be coming in here in a minute, but before...
alex jones
Welcome back.
I'm your host, Alex Jones.
Massive news has broken since we got our guest on.
Let me mention some of it.
We'll get his take on it and get back to the huge information he was just laying out.
Adan Salazar has the article.
It's on Infowars.com.
It links right to the Israeli government's own announcement.
Remember, Israel and Australia are the cutting edge of what's coming here next.
Israel to grant green passports to Fly and travel and go in restaurants.
Israel to grant green passports only to triple vaccinated.
That's how it works.
Oh, maybe the vaccine working.
Oh, you got to take a third one recommended.
Oh, now you've got to take it.
And then a fourth and a fifth and a sixth and a tenth and a twentieth.
Unbelievable.
dan friesen
The green passports in Israel were rolled out in February.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's been a little while.
jordan holmes
How'd they do?
dan friesen
It's just a convenient way for businesses to check a person's vaccination status if they want to require vaccination to enter their premises.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Israeli health minister Yuli Edelstein was quoted back in February in the Jerusalem Post.
Quote, whoever chooses not to be vaccinated has his right.
There will also be no personal sanctions against someone who is not vaccinated.
It should be understood that getting vaccinated is a great privilege that has been given to us, something that many countries in the world have not attained.
The article continues, quote, the minister added that there will be some areas that will be open to everyone, even for citizens who have not been vaccinated, and that the possibility of these areas will be expanded depending on the rate of immunization of the entire population.
So now, currently, the conversation is for these things that are already out.
They will apply to people who have booster shots.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So yeah, I mean, the reality of this story is not quite what Alex is breaking news.
jordan holmes
No, I heard actually, and I know Alex hasn't heard this, Illinois has started requiring That you have to use and you have to obtain in order to move in a car from one place to another.
Can you believe that?
You have to get a...
dan friesen
Is this called a driver's license?
jordan holmes
You can only go certain places with these cards.
I mean, it's bananas how this works.
dan friesen
And you can only drive certain things.
jordan holmes
Sometimes they won't even let you drive as fast as you want to drive, Dan.
dan friesen
This is truly martial law.
jordan holmes
It is the nanny state.
Gone mad.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I think I may have even misspoke a little bit.
The doctor, the good doctor, is on the line.
jordan holmes
Oh!
dan friesen
While Alex is getting into this news.
And Alex has other news that he has to get into before we really dive in with Sean Brooks.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
And that is, we gotta get into dumbass gate.
We do.
Did Alex call Trump a dumbass?
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Well, that's what everybody's saying.
jordan holmes
Well.
alex jones
Did I call President Trump a dumbass?
No, I said, I think Trump's really smart.
Why is he saying that the vaccines work?
Why is he saying he took it and it's great and if it doesn't work, he'll tell us.
When I just showed you, and it's been out for days, that Pfizer says it's a 39% efficacy rate, and now the head of Pfizer says, oh, new variants are here and his vaccine doesn't work, but don't worry, he's got new ones.
And Trump had just said days before he said that in Alabama.
On Friday, Trump had said it looks like a scam by Pfizer with these boosters.
So I said, you're smart, Trump.
I don't think you're dumb, but maybe you are.
Yeah, I stand by that.
dan friesen
Okay, so if I'm hearing Alex correctly, he's saying that he didn't call Trump a dumbass.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Apparently what Alex meant by his comments was that he doesn't think that Trump is a dumbass and that he must know what he's doing, which is recommending people get a vaccine that he presumably knows is a scam.
So I guess Alex didn't call Trump a dumbass as much as he called him an evil fraud who's trying to kill his followers.
That seems better.
jordan holmes
That is what you would rather somebody hear you say other than calling someone a dumbass.
That's an insulting thing to say.
What you should call them is a mouthpiece for the enemy that you have been fighting against your entire career.
dan friesen
And a complete sellout and a shill and a traitor.
jordan holmes
A giant piece of shit.
Yeah, a monster who's actively killing the people who put him in power.
dan friesen
So here's the clip that's been going around.
And I'll let you judge for yourself what Alex was meaning to say.
And this I've decided to call Shadow Dumbass Gate.
alex jones
Got a bunch of medical doctors I want to play for you on this when we come back.
But first, let's take President Trump, who I believe is a good person.
And who I really care about and who I want to see get a lot of good Republicans elected in the midterms and who I would love to see run again.
We got to take him to the woodshed, though, because he came out last week on Fox and Friends and said, I really am suspicious of this booster shot.
If this supposedly works so well, why do you need a booster shot?
Because you got lied to, Trump.
He didn't have 98% efficacy.
We knew day one it wouldn't work, period.
It's a fraud.
It'll create mutants.
You got chumped.
You got signed on to a fraud to restart the economy.
I understand why you did it.
You believe in science.
These are bad actors, sir.
You believed America could produce a good vaccine.
Of course they could have.
They didn't want to.
They didn't create a vaccine.
dan friesen
Real quick, I just have to break here because if Alex knew anything about delivery and meter, he would have repeated, sir.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It was begging to be put there.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
They told you this, sir.
unidentified
Sir!
dan friesen
They lied to you, sir.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
You know, like that's right there.
jordan holmes
That's how you do it.
dan friesen
Yep.
alex jones
They created a frankenshot.
dan friesen
Sir.
alex jones
And now they've got you signed up to it.
unidentified
Sir.
alex jones
Now the left's saying, you better get out there and push it.
And you are.
CNN comes out and says, we need to see Trump come out and tell them we'll take the shots.
And within weeks of them saying it over and over again, CNN snaps their fingers.
Jeff Zucker snaps his fingers and Trump clicks his heels and hops up there at attention and says, how high do you want me to jump, boss?
There's Trump in Alabama yesterday.
I believe totally in your freedoms.
unidentified
I do.
donald j trump
You got to do what you have to do.
unidentified
But...
jordan holmes
I recommend take the vaccines.
I did it.
unidentified
It's good.
Take the vaccines.
But you got...
alex jones
No, that's okay.
unidentified
That's all right.
You got your freedoms.
But I happen to take the vaccine.
If it doesn't work, you'll be the first to know.
Okay?
jordan holmes
I'll call up Alabama.
unidentified
I'll say, hey, you know what?
But it is working.
alex jones
B.S. Trump, that's a lie.
You're not stupid.
Just two weeks ago, they said it was 65%, then 40%.
Saw a number put up about Pfizer shots, 37%.
Because they just want to tell you it doesn't work, so you're running with a new damn shot.
And then they'll tell you in six months, that one doesn't work.
It's called rope-a-dope.
Shame on you, Trump.
Seriously.
Hey, if you don't have the good sense to save yourself and your political career, that's okay.
At least you're going to get some good Republicans elected.
And, you know, we like you, but my God, maybe you're not that bright.
Maybe Trump's actually a dumbass.
All right, we'll be right back.
Stay with us.
dan friesen
If I were in charge of deciding how to cover this story, I would lean much more heavily into how Alex is very clearly saying that Trump knows that the vaccines are a secret.
plot to kill everyone for profit and that he's recommending them to his audience anyway.
jordan holmes
No, what's offensive is that he called him a dumbass, Dan.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
The headline here isn't that Alex speculated that Trump is a dumbass.
dan friesen
It's that he's indicating that the alternative is that Trump is evil.
The Alex-Trump-will-they-won't-they storyline since the election really isn't doing anything for me.
And when you get down to it, really, it doesn't really matter to Alex either.
He doesn't like Trump, and that's not a problem, because he probably never did.
Trump was a useful tool for people like Alex.
He's an impressionable, malleable, chaotic idiot who they could use to take over some of the levers of power in this country.
If I was in the press and I decided to even touch this clip, my angle would be that it's not that Alex is turning on Trump and insulting him.
It would be to play up this idea that Alex is saying that Trump is either stupid or evil.
jordan holmes
And not or good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There's only two options.
dan friesen
Covering this story as Alex called Trump a dumbass misses the point a little bit and just makes me think that the reporting doesn't have much awareness of how often Alex says mean things about Trump when he's mad at him.
Like, it's not novel, but I think there's maybe some ground you could gain by really positioning this where, like, okay...
The base is really cracking.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
You know, you have a foundational issue that the leader of the cult is unwilling to go along with, which is telling everyone not to get vaccinated.
And I think that you could probably exploit that wedge pretty hard.
jordan holmes
No, it's a perfect, like, it's such a great teachable example of something that happens in human history all the time, which is that...
The leader of the group is the leader and they will go along with whatever the leader says as long as they tell them what they want to hear.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, you'll add it.
And if you tell them what they want to hear, guess what you can add?
Whatever the fuck you want.
Of course.
Yeah, yeah.
You tell them what they want to hear, and then you can destroy their lives because you're going to end abortion or whatever.
dan friesen
Whatever you want, as long as it doesn't violate one of the other things that they need to hear.
jordan holmes
Right.
And then in this situation, you would think that Trump would look at that and go, oh, I was just able to exploit them.
I was not actually leading the group.
And the people in the group would go...
Oh, we'll do anything if anybody tells us what we want to hear, and everybody should learn from that and be like, maybe we're both stupid on both sides here.
And this is a negative feedback loop that has repeated itself throughout history every time we've wanted to blow shit up.
dan friesen
Well, I think the negative, craven, manipulative jerks may learn something from this, and that is that...
Alright, you can control this cult of personality pretty...
jordan holmes
There's a limit.
dan friesen
Well, no, there isn't if you're willing to really knuckle up and just say whatever they want.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So maybe the next person will just be like, no, fuck vaccines.
jordan holmes
Fuck it.
Fuck it.
Don't care.
Don't give a shit.
dan friesen
Because that would retain the control over whatever amount of...
Influence you have.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's two lessons, I guess.
There's the good lesson, don't do this again, and then there's the bad lesson, do it again, but never, ever, ever, ever back down.
Never crack.
Not once.
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex talks to this Dr. Sean Brooks, PhD.
jordan holmes
Oh, of education.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he talks a little bit about his going to this school board meeting and...
yelling a bunch of dumb shit at them sure and I think this is becoming the the favored uh media outlet of right-wing weirdos now yeah because they aren't gonna be on TV um maybe a lot of them have had their social media accounts banned.
So now they can have videos taken of them yelling at people at, Public meetings.
unidentified
Yep, yep.
dan friesen
Now this is a new art form.
jordan holmes
School boards are the new reality TV show.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
School board meetings.
dan friesen
It's a good way to get attention if you're really weird.
And so when we get to any actual points that Sean wants to bring up, he has a bad handle on some decisions that have to do with COVID regulations.
unidentified
And Indiana University is another example.
Over the summer, Before summer, they said, everybody who works here and everybody who comes here has to be jabbed, end of story.
As you would expect, countless students and parents started to sue Indiana University.
A judge got involved, and if I'm not mistaken, the judge sided with Indiana University and said they get to do what they want.
I could have that wrong, but I think that's right as to how that ended up settling out.
So everybody who attends now is jabbed.
alex jones
Oh, yeah, that's Amy Kelby Merritt.
dan friesen
Sean doesn't understand how this case went with Indiana University at all.
What happened was that eight students at IU, which is not a countless number, they sued the school because they announced a vaccine mandate that applies only to the fall 2021 semester.
Though this is mandated, the school offers many options for folks who can't or don't want to get vaccinated.
They offer medical and religious exemptions, they'll let students take a semester off without penalty, and they provide online options for completing classes.
These students had asked the court to enter a preliminary injunction to stop the mandate.
The primary criteria that would be used if the court were to give that injunction is whether or not there is, quote, a strong showing that they will likely succeed on the merits of their claim, that they will sustain irreparable harm and that the balance of harms and the public interest fails.
Ooh, that's 0 for 3!
one-page opinion explaining how they did not feel that this case brought before them satisfies any of those criteria, and thus the injunction was rejected.
If you read the filing, all but one of the eight students either have a religious exemption to the mandate or would qualify but haven't even applied for one.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
That one who hasn't applied and thinks she wouldn't qualify, who knows?
Maybe she would.
My point is that this is kind of a farce.
The fact that seven of the eight students suing the university over a policy that is so tailored to them that they all qualify for it not to affect them is the very definition of right-wing victimhood mentality.
jordan holmes
I am mad!
dan friesen
Yes.
My other point is that Sean Brooks has no idea what this case was actually about because the details don't matter.
What's important is the optics of victimhood that he's able to present using this case as a prop.
When you're trying to have a serious conversation about issues that matter, it's generally not a great idea to bring up an example of a court case that you have such a weak grasp on that you have to admit on air that you might have it wrong while you use it as a defense for why you're right.
Don't do that.
That's a bad look.
Alex is bringing up Amy Coney Barrett because after this injunction request was denied, the students tried to pull a Mike Lindell and take things to the Supreme Court.
Judge Barrett is assigned to the Seventh Circuit currently, which includes Indiana, so on paper, it was her who rejected the request to step in and overrule the district court.
But she's not the relevant judge in the case.
She was who the right-wing media decided to get really mad at, though, since she was a Trump appointee, and the presumption was that she would be up for anything.
jordan holmes
Why aren't you a rubber stamp doing whatever it is that we say?
dan friesen
I thought you'd be up to be real weird.
jordan holmes
The whole point of appointing you...
Was that you didn't know what you were doing.
And you would do the dumb shit we say.
How dare you act like you have any experience?
dan friesen
We thought that was the deal.
jordan holmes
I mean, I get it.
Like, I would be offended if I was on their team.
I wouldn't get it.
I wouldn't understand it.
Because when you get down to it, right?
Okay?
She doesn't get to act like this.
She's acting like she's on the Supreme Court because she should be on the Supreme Court.
And she is not there because she should be on the Supreme Court.
She should not be anywhere near the Supreme Court.
She's there to do this dumb shit.
So if I were them, I would be furious.
How dare you act like you know what you're doing?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, I think she probably does know what she's doing to an extent.
I mean, she's not unqualified to be a judge.
jordan holmes
She's not unqualified to be a judge.
dan friesen
But probably maybe not on the Supreme Court.
Maybe batting a little bit outside of her punching out of the weight class.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
She's part of the deal, and if she doesn't get that, she's wrong.
Like, I understand.
dan friesen
But I'm also pretty grateful that she's wrong.
jordan holmes
Oh, totally.
Totally.
No, no, 100%.
In the real world, yes, this is great news.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I was listening to this Sean fella, and I got a weird vibe on him.
He just made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He really did.
He was freaking me out.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Part of it was just like, you seem mad at the educational system.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, if you've got a PhD in education, you will get mad at the education system.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he seemed mad in a different way than other people who, like, you know, your partner is a teacher, and we've talked a lot of times about things that are failures of the CPS.
jordan holmes
Massive problems with public education.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
And there are people who are very passionate within the public school systems that often try to make things better.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
I didn't get that vibe from him.
jordan holmes
See, that sounds kind of where I was falling.
dan friesen
I got an angry vibe from him.
That's not good.
This clip kind of made me laugh a little.
unidentified
We've always known that the Rockefellers and the Carnegies have had everything to do with the K-12 textbook system.
No different in higher ed.
It's the exact same.
They control the information.
They control the minds of those individuals that don't think for themselves.
And again, when I was in college, the books I read were the ones that I went to the bookstore to buy.
They were not the ones that the university said, well, you need to read this, and you need to read that.
I'd look at this $300 textbook and say, no, I'm not reading this.
And I'd glance through it, I'd write a paper for the class, and then that'd be it.
And then I'd go to a bookstore, back when bookstores existed, and I would buy...
Two, three, four books about people, history, events, psychology, sociology, anatomy, physiology, and I would put all of this together, and I'd read on my own time.
People have to self-educate.
dan friesen
So I understand that some people are just too much of free thinkers for this kind of thing, but the reason the classes have textbooks is because they're teaching a specific thing that the teacher presumably has a much better awareness of than the student.
unidentified
You would think.
dan friesen
Typically, the teacher will know about the subject ahead of time, and the required texts will be the things that they think are best in terms of enabling a student to get the handle on the material.
That's usually how this works.
jordan holmes
I like the idea of defending your PhD thesis on education and just be like, hey, just, you know, informal question.
We ask this of everybody.
It's not even going to affect anything.
Did you ever read any of the books when you were in school?
dan friesen
No, I read Robinson Crusoe.
jordan holmes
Okay, we're going to actually, surprise, surprise, that did count.
Goodbye.
dan friesen
I agree that there's problems with the textbook industry, particularly as it relates to how they're essentially an instrument of price gouging in colleges.
But I think that what Sean is expressing here really is just that he's a blowhard and he's an anti-authority kind of guy whose streak has gone a little bit off the rails.
When I was in college, often the required texts for courses wouldn't be textbooks per se.
Depending on the class, it could be a novel, an academic writing, or possibly like a collection of photocopied newspaper articles from the early 1900s.
jordan holmes
Or a book the professor wrote themselves.
dan friesen
Sometimes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Although I was a little suspicious about that.
That was a little bit like, come on, man, you're self-dealing.
jordan holmes
No, I get it.
I had a science fiction author who was definitely trying to sell his own shit to the school.
dan friesen
That sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But maybe it was good.
Was it good?
jordan holmes
No.
unidentified
Oh.
jordan holmes
No, he's bad.
dan friesen
Also, my dad's a professor, and I've spent my entire life surrounded by academia, and I have never once in my life encountered a professor or teacher who's discouraged reading, even things that aren't on the syllabus.
Typically, people in academia love talking about their subject because they're really versed in it.
And, you know, if you want to read a book that runs counter to their take on the subject that they know a lot about...
They're going to be excited to discuss that book with you and explain to you why it misses X, Y, or Z point.
They love that shit.
jordan holmes
The idea of having a doctorate in something already suggests that you've spent...
Clearly a decade of your life focused only on this one kind of subject.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Of course you better want to fucking talk about it!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's your favorite thing!
dan friesen
Academics might be power-mad psychopaths that are bent on making the big bucks and warping the minds of the youth, but they're nerds first.
jordan holmes
Yeah, before I would believe anything, if you told me that they weren't interested in what they were talking about, you're insane.
dan friesen
Also, I love this conception of they give you all these...
What in the textbooks did the non-free thinkers remember?
What was it exactly from history textbooks and science and math that was retained by the non-free thinkers?
jordan holmes
So now you're making it sound like I'm mad at a problem that doesn't exist.
dan friesen
Kind of.
jordan holmes
And I will say that being mad at a problem that doesn't exist is a thing that I'm mad at a problem that doesn't exist.
dan friesen
If you're the sort of person who's so narcissistic and oppositional defiant that you think that you can create a better syllabus than a professional in their field of expertise, then maybe formal education isn't for you.
And that's cool.
That's totally fine.
People can be self-taught.
I believe that.
And I've got no disrespect for that.
jordan holmes
I don't have a degree.
dan friesen
It's just that it's a lot harder for external observers to know exactly how well a person has or has not taught themselves.
Degrees are generally helpful because they denote that you've learned a subject from someone who understands that subject, and they were able to help you understand it.
There's no way to confer the same kind of thing with self-education.
That's why it's a little bit more...
Eh, iffy.
Also, it's so funny that this dude has such a weird bone to pick about education when he himself kind of intentionally misrepresents his credentials in the video of himself at the school board meeting that went viral.
He apparently does have a PhD, but he introed himself this way.
Quote, Dr. Sean Brooks, Ph.D., Oxford.
I have 48 publications, including 23 books.
I've studied health medicine, anatomy, and physiology for approximately 21 years.
jordan holmes
There it is!
I'm a doctor of health medicine.
dan friesen
Well, you would think that.
jordan holmes
I've studied it.
dan friesen
You would think that.
jordan holmes
Hey, all I've done is studied it.
I read my own books about it.
dan friesen
Yeah, like I said, he didn't go to Oxford.
He's from Oxford, Ohio.
jordan holmes
What a fucking dick.
dan friesen
His degree is from Walden University, which is an online school.
However, there's more going on here than I would like.
There may be a reason that Sean is mad at the public school system that he's not disclosing.
jordan holmes
Well, does his PhD give him any access to teaching positions?
dan friesen
Well, according to Heavy, they were able to track down a person with a PhD named Sean McCullough Brooks.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Who lives in Oxford, Ohio.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
They were able to find a teacher discipline case from Florida that was against a person with the same name, which resulted in a reprimand and probation after Brooks didn't...
Didn't say that he was innocent, but also agreed not to contest the accusations.
I'm not going to get too deep into this because it feels really fucked up, but the issue that was behind this disciplinary action had to do with him posting videos of students discussing really personal issues on a public website without the student's parents' permission.
Some of the stuff involves pretty personal stuff that creeps me out.
I was concerned that this was possibly not the same dude who's here on Alex's show, but first of all, Sean McCullough Brooks is a pretty specific name.
That's real specific.
The documents for the teacher misconduct case include a 2015 letter of reprimand that's addressed to Sean Brooks, whose address is in Oxford, Ohio.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Anyway, it might be a good idea for Alex to screen his guests in the future so he doesn't end up in this kind of situation where he's having to vouch for this guy just because his video went viral.
If you're talking to somebody about how the school system is evil, it's kind of relevant to the conversation to let your listeners know that they may have a big old chip on their shoulder that's informing their positions, and it might have...
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Come on now.
It's not personal.
It's about protecting the people, Dan.
It's about protecting civilians.
They're just caught up in this war.
They don't know.
They don't have PhDs in education.
dan friesen
Don't you understand that the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds won't let me post weird videos?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Also, what a weird thing whenever, like, textbooks at large are held hostage by fucking Texas's bullshit.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, you're really gonna come after textbooks whenever half of them, just because Texas doesn't want to admit shit, say that slaves came here on a lark?
Like, what are you fucking talking about?
You're gonna complain about textbooks.
dan friesen
There are very real issues.
They are just not the ones that he's...
jordan holmes
Yeah, not at all.
What a dick.
dan friesen
So I feel like these kinds of disclosures are important.
Yes.
unidentified
I mean, I've been shut out of the higher ed institutions, and it's not an accident.
It doesn't matter.
alex jones
You're speaking up, and you're out there now, and you've written books, and you're taking action.
Dr. Sean M. Brooks, PhD.
dan friesen
He's complaining that he's been shut out of higher education, and maybe it has something to do with his disciplinary past that he has, and maybe his response to that disciplinary action.
I don't know.
It seems like you can't have someone be like, I've been shut out of higher education because my ideas are too verboten or whatever.
And then you defend it without knowing anything about the case.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's just...
It's not respectful to the individuality of the audience.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
And their right to take in information that they can use.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Fucked up.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, Alex...
You know, he's covered on this episode Bill Maher, Brett Favre.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And now he saw something on TikTok.
jordan holmes
He's covered on this episode three people talking about things that they know absolutely nothing about, but have the expertise of being good at something completely different and with no relation to that subject.
dan friesen
And so to follow that up, Alex decides he's going to cover something he saw on TikTok.
jordan holmes
There we go!
alex jones
Guys, get the Brian Williams clip ready.
I saw some TikTok video.
Somebody sent me, it's got a bunch of weird stuff the kids put on there, but that's all.
Brian Williams, who says he was shot down in a helicopter, the RPG hit it, they crashed, nobody was shot at, no helicopters got shot at, it's a lie.
Brian Williams is the NBC fact checker.
dan friesen
That's not true.
He didn't say that his helicopter was shot down, he said his helicopter was shot at, and it was the helicopter in front of him that was shot at.
But be that as it may, I'm not defending Brian Williams, it's just Alex is lying about the lie.
alex jones
That'd be like, again, having a convicted pedophile run your preschool.
It's the equivalent of having this guy as your fact checker.
He brings up Sandy Hook.
Like, oh, we talk about Sandy Hook so much.
Something I talked about like 15 times six, seven, eight years ago.
The internet questioned it.
jordan holmes
I questioned it.
You seem defensive.
alex jones
And so they attach my identity to that and always go, oh, Jones said the mass shooting didn't happen.
Well, with Smollett, fake is hanging.
Did they fake babies and incubators to start the Iraq war?
Did ABC News show footage at the Knob Creek machine gun shootout and say it was people blowing up villages in Syria?
The point is, yes, we all have a right to question things.
That's our free speech.
I've gotten a few things wrong, not on purpose, unlike Brian Williams.
Did I ever get up there and say I was shot down in a helicopter?
dan friesen
No, but you have said that you have prophetic dreams.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's definitely that.
dan friesen
So you've said some other things that are equally embarrassing.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
He's paid for a lot of abortions.
He's slept with over hundreds of women by the time he was 16. Yeah, yeah.
He's made a lot of claims that maybe I wouldn't want to stand by.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, look, here's the thing.
Even if all of those things were accurate, the way Alex is presenting them, the babies and incubators, Jesse Smollett, all of it, even if everything, it still doesn't excuse his behavior as it relates to Sandy Hook.
It has literally nothing to do with what he did.
And, yeah, I guess he's just saying, I'll fuck that one up.
Which is actually an evolution in his position.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's about as close to just straight up saying, I am sorry for being wrong, as I think we've gotten from him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There's still obfuscation.
They're still trying to deflect.
jordan holmes
Wasn't wrong on purpose.
It wasn't there, but it was.
dan friesen
It is a little bit more like, I did that bad.
jordan holmes
I didn't mean to do it a lot.
I only talked about it a few times.
I only dipped my toe in there.
I only did all this stuff.
You know what?
There's other things that are bad.
There's other stuff that are bad.
But sometimes I did fuck off.
dan friesen
I only paid for half of Dan Badandi's flight.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
We went Dutch on it.
Yeah, it was all good.
dan friesen
So yeah, Owen's in, buddy.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
This is great.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
dan friesen
So Owen's there when Alex plays this TikTok video.
jordan holmes
He's inside the studio?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And this is so good.
Okay.
So Owen is gonna say, hey man, listening to that Brian Williams clip, I heard six lies.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Alex makes a huge mistake.
And he's like, what are they?
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
owen shroyer
I think I counted just five or six blatant lies from Brian Williams.
I mean, just flat-out lies.
I mean, can you imagine?
Like, you know, sometimes the crew will sit there and, you know, you'll go on a great rant or something, or I'll go on a great rant and say, hey, you know, that was good.
Good job.
That was powerful.
Imagine the crew behind Brian Williams like, wow, this guy can just go on TV and lie.
Like, nobody's business.
I mean, wow, he just went up there and just said a flat-out lie.
jordan holmes
Good job, Brian.
owen shroyer
Way to lie to the whole world.
Like, that's impressive, man.
alex jones
What were a few of the lies?
owen shroyer
I don't even...
I mean, everything he said pretty much was a complete lie, but...
dan friesen
Oops.
Shouldn't have tried to get specific.
That was a mistake.
jordan holmes
Hey, come on, man.
You're ruining the scene.
The scene is we just make shit up.
What are you doing here?
dan friesen
The game we were playing is...
Imagine if we were able to get away with that.
jordan holmes
Of course I didn't know what lies.
Yeah, come on, man.
dan friesen
It's just a general feeling of things.
jordan holmes
Tell me what some of the lies were.
Oh, I wasn't listening.
dan friesen
Everything.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's all a lie.
Everything's a lie.
Good answer, buddy.
dan friesen
Pathetic.
Anyway, Owen's not allowed to talk about his case.
jordan holmes
I wonder why.
dan friesen
But Alex wants to know how jail was.
alex jones
We're going to come back in the final segment.
Owen, you were given some rules not to talk with other January 6th people about what happened.
I don't know how they do that when you're a talk show host.
I'm a talk show host, but it's all on document cam.
It's all on body cam.
It's all on video.
So we're not talking about what happened on January 6th, getting our story straight here, when our story is just the truth.
But I want to know how jail went yesterday and your court case.
Folks want to know about that.
dan friesen
Honestly, Alex keeps saying that everything is on body cam, and that's actually evidence against Owen.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because the problem was that he was breaking his prior agreement.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
His deferred prosecution.
jordan holmes
I mean, maybe he's just saying that, like, we know there's a guaranteed guilty verdict, so we don't really need to even talk about the case because he did that shit.
It's all on body cam.
dan friesen
That could be.
That's an interpretation.
So yeah, look, this is all just fundraising.
This is 100% what this is.
We just, before we recorded this, I'm not sure when it'll be out, but we recorded a guest appearance on Opening Arguments.
jordan holmes
Indeed, look forward to that.
dan friesen
And we discussed this a bit.
The case and the nature of it, it's not a big charge.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Even if Owen were to be found guilty of everything...
jordan holmes
He'll get 64 hours of community service!
dan friesen
Right.
It'll be something minor and a fine.
It's not a big deal.
But Owen's trying to raise a quarter of a million dollars for his legal defense.
jordan holmes
Gotta raise a quarter of a million dollars.
alex jones
I said, obviously, you're trying to raise a quarter million dollars for criminal defense.
That's what it'll cost easily.
If we fight it, we are fighting it.
He did not break into the Capitol using physical force.
As he's been charged, he's facing at least a year in prison.
We're not going to let that happen.
You folks have sent $200,000 to your legal defense fund.
That's great news.
We want to get another $50,000.
That should handle it.
If folks want to go above that, that's fine.
I think you should sue the Huffington Post saying that you led the attack.
jordan holmes
Sue the Huffington Post.
alex jones
That's open and shut.
And now you've been charged based on that lie.
But you said, no, you don't want to sue them.
You're upset about the mask.
owen shroyer
Well, and we may look into other lawsuits going forward when some of the smoke starts to clear.
But yeah, we have an executive order here from Governor Abbott that says you cannot mandate masks in any public buildings.
And when I was in the federal building yesterday, I couldn't go in without putting a mask on.
dan friesen
Yeah, so apparently when he was being arraigned and processed, he had to wear a mask.
And this is the real issue.
jordan holmes
I thought it was because they were showing Eric Stoltz's movie in the courtroom at the time.
dan friesen
That would be offensive.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So yeah, Alex is lying that Owen was charged because of a Huffington Post article.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Sue him!
Sue him!
Well, I mean, I actually, I think that that might be Alex maligning the Huffington Post.
jordan holmes
I think they should sue him.
I think they should countersue each other.
I don't give a fuck.
dan friesen
I don't think the Huffington Post had anything to do with Owen making that deferred prosecution agreement.
jordan holmes
Well, I think they did.
Every time he tried to do community service, the Huffington Post would show up and slap him and break his foot so he couldn't do anything.
dan friesen
That was cruel.
The human personification of the Huffington Post.
Ariana Huffington is in the bushes.
Blow darting Owen with sleep darts.
jordan holmes
Every time he's going to the soup kitchen.
Oh my god, not again!
Oh boy.
dan friesen
What an asshole.
Anyway, this is our last clip, and it's just to show how tough Alex is.
He's very strong.
jordan holmes
He's very strong.
dan friesen
And very brave.
jordan holmes
That's what I think about.
alex jones
Crime is up five-fold from just three years ago in Blue Cities.
I mean, Austin used to be a safe city.
And I'm a tough guy.
I will not go downtown now unless I have to at a meeting and I bring a bodyguard.
I mean, it is literally like a lunatic asylum down there.
dan friesen
That's amazing.
jordan holmes
So tough.
dan friesen
Five-fold increase in crime in blue cities is amazing, first of all.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know where that stat's coming from.
I'd like him to substantiate that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Second, I've been to Austin.
My parents live fairly close to downtown Austin.
jordan holmes
Insanely safe place.
dan friesen
Not that it's safe or unsafe or whatever, but the idea of needing a bodyguard to go downtown is absurd, except for the fact that Alex is a celebrity.
And in that case, if you're, I don't know, somebody who's just like, who plays Superman?
jordan holmes
Henry Cavill?
dan friesen
Yeah.
He needs a bodyguard.
jordan holmes
I almost said Dean Cain.
That's how old millennials are.
Millennials are old now.
How dare you talk about 20-year-olds being millennials until you know how the rise and fall of Dean Cain went and you know nothing!
dan friesen
Cavill needs a bodyguard.
Not because any place may or may not be safe, but because he's a celebrity and people are going to bum rush him.
jordan holmes
They're going to try and fuck with him.
dan friesen
Right.
When I went to see a Cavaliers-Lakers game when I was like 15, it was a preseason game, and Shaq was shooting free throws at pregame.
No one was in there.
Me and my dad snuck in.
Shaq's shooting free throws.
He's got a bodyguard while he's shooting free throws!
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
So if Alex needs a bodyguard, it's because he's a famous person.
Not because...
jordan holmes
At most.
dan friesen
Not because Austin is such an unsafe place.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And even then, you don't...
I mean, like, if you need a bodyguard...
Saying bodyguard.
Then you probably earned that need.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, Henry Cavill may have a...
What would be more like a bouncer of just like...
Hey, man, I know there's just so many people that want to get up to him at the same time.
We just need an orderly line here.
But if you need somebody who's got a gun and is just like, hey, man, if anybody comes at you, I'm going to shoot him.
That's because you're an asshole.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex has a team on the roof.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
He's got ninjas that are just on the roof.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you're a politician walking around with a fucking bulletproof vest on, it's probably because you have it coming.
Or at least you've done something to earn it.
dan friesen
Possibly.
jordan holmes
Or you're a piece of shit.
dan friesen
I don't know.
My feeling is just that it's a little silly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, true.
dan friesen
So we come to the end of this, and I think Owen is a political prisoner who's able to make tons of money on a misdemeanor nonsense.
jordan holmes
Unreal.
dan friesen
I don't know if it's on a misdemeanor, but it's not going to get in any...
Fucking trouble, and he's raising tons of money.
jordan holmes
Quarter of a million dollars.
dan friesen
Which is really just the essence of what it means to be a freedom fighter.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, it's really important.
He's doing the big work, and I admire it.
Meanwhile, his boss, Alex, is back in studio anchoring this shit, doing the real serious work of talking about...
jordan holmes
Bill Maher.
dan friesen
Bill Maher.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Brett Favre.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Talking to a weirdo about education.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he had a viral video, which is very cool.
jordan holmes
That's why you gotta get him out there.
dan friesen
And then bickering about whether or not he thinks Trump's a dumbass and whether or not the media covered it correctly.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
It's amazing.
jordan holmes
Who was in that meeting?
dan friesen
Everything is pointless.
jordan holmes
That meeting, there had to have been a meeting where after Schroyer turned himself in.
No, it would probably be on Sunday before Schroyer turned himself in.
And it's Alex and it's a couple of lawyers at least.
I'm sure Barnes is on the call.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and they're just like, Okay, how do we make...
dan friesen
We're going to be rich.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what do we do?
What's the cap we set on that?
Because that's the conversation.
They were like, okay, no, we can't say a million dollars.
Nobody would believe we needed a million dollars.
But if we say a smaller amount that's still high, we'll reach it and then get beyond it.
And then we can add like...
Extra stuff.
unidentified
Stretch goals.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yeah, totally.
Totally.
dan friesen
So it's like the legal fees of the $250,000.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
If we reach $500,000, we'll keep owing out of prison.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yes, exactly.
It had to have been that because none of them were like...
Or is he going to be okay?
That was never a question.
It was how much profit can we pull off of this?
dan friesen
Yeah, definitely.
What is the potential for this ruse?
jordan holmes
What's the right number to start with?
dan friesen
Yeah, and I bet he consulted actuary tables.
Because Alex loves to bring up actuaries.
Yeah, I mean, it's really disgraceful and pathetic.
And exactly what I would expect from these ding-dong yahoos.
jordan holmes
You got it.
dan friesen
Jordan, we'll be back.
We will be back.
I would love it if by the next time we record, Owen Schroyer has been sentenced to 30 years in prison and we're totally wrong about this.
jordan holmes
That would be fun.
dan friesen
That would be pretty funny.
jordan holmes
We've decided to make an example out of Owen Schroyer.
It would be a good thing to wake up to.
dan friesen
We're going to charge him something comically outside the potential punishment for what he did.
Yeah, but we have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Oh, that's your line.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledgefight.go to Ben Jordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
If you could please find a local charity, you'll pay a fund in your area to help out people do it in God's work.
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX.
Clark, I'm Daryl Rondis.
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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