On August 15, 2021’s Knowledge Fight episode, Alex Jones pivots from Taliban’s Kabul takeover—ignoring his own past advocacy for U.S. withdrawal—to falsely claim Biden labeled anti-lockdown protesters as terrorists, misquoting a DHS document while conflating fringe extremism with broad dissent. He peddles debunked conspiracies like Operation Lockstep and COVID-19’s British origin, then promotes fringe activists Shlomo Gordon (Zehoot Party) and Chris Skye’s "united non-compliance" strike fantasy, despite its alignment with white supremacist tropes. The episode ends with Jones monetizing fear via bizarre ads like the "amulet shield," revealing a pattern of profit-driven paranoia over actual policy critique. [Automatically generated summary]
And you start out just the way you, kind of the way you do.
You start out in the Neolithic age.
And some of the cool things about it is that you can change your society and evolve over time instead of just being stuck with like, oh, we're the Joe Empire, and now you're going to stay like that until the future.
You can grow and change and you can have different kinds of different things going on.
Like, if you've ever played Crusader Kings 2 or something like that, where the level of complexity is such that it's so impossible to, hey, just start playing.
You have to read through Reddit for an hour just to figure out how to start the game.
So I'm sure some people are trying to blame Trump for the current situation in Afghanistan, and I would agree that that's kind of looking at too small of a picture.
I would say the same of people who'd like to throw complete blame onto Biden.
I think it's a limited scope.
There's plenty of blame to go around to a whole lot of people, but I also kind of believe that assigning appropriate levels of blame isn't something that we're capable of doing on this podcast.
Alex is in a really tough situation here for his narratives because the taking of Kabul is the direct result of the United States withdrawing troops, which is something that he's championed for a long time now.
In the lead up to the 2016 and 2020 elections, Alex presented Trump as the peace candidate in opposition to Clinton and Biden, who were hawks seeking to keep these conflicts going indefinitely.
It was a major selling point for Alex that Trump wanted to bring the troops home.
And for what it's worth, that's one of the territories where we came closest to agreement with the positions that Alex espoused.
In October 2020, Trump announced that he wanted to withdraw all U.S. troops from Afghanistan by Christmas.
I'm not sure what qualifies to Alex as a gradual withdrawal, but considering how long the war had dragged on, it seems like that's not super gradual.
The Taliban celebrated this announcement mostly because it was in keeping in line with Trump's obligation under the Doha Agreement, which was signed in February 2020 between the United States and the Taliban.
One of the major points of this agreement was the U.S., quote, committed to withdraw from Afghanistan all military forces of the United States, its allies and coalition partners, including all non-diplomatic civilian personnel, private security contractors, trainers, advisors, and supporting service personnel within 14 months following announcement of this agreement.
After his election in April 2021, Biden gave a speech where he laid out his plans as they related to troop withdrawal from Afghanistan.
According to the Doha Agreement, troops were supposed to be out within 14 months or by May 1st.
Biden decided to begin the withdrawal then with the goal of being out by September 11th.
From the people who are in Afghanistan right now to the veterans who are wrestling with these developments and their own personal relationship to the people who it's just staggering the amount of people who are suffering.
And it's, I just, I don't, I don't know.
I'm not, I'm not capable of having the right position on this.
I mean, I think the only major thing that I can say like with 100% certainty is that the amount of people screaming about George Bush and Cheney and the military contractors in 2001 is not large enough.
That is the fundamental issue from the very fucking beginning.
And that they're even talking about any other governments beyond the first one first is insane to me.
Who gives a shit about Biden or Trump or Obama at this point?
We have to deal with the original fucking problem, which we never even bothered to deal with.
And one of the things that I think is really difficult, and one of the things that I can't really understand, even as much as I can read on the subject, is is there any point at which it wouldn't have been a tragedy at this point for us when we withdrew?
I mean, it seems like a fairly simple tactical problem that if you have an insurgent force that's willing to fight until every last one of them is dead, then you can either say then the only way we win is if we kill all of them or we stop.
It's kind of the central issue there is like, if you leave, they're still there.
China had not recognized the Taliban as the Islamic Emirate or anything.
Alex is just making that up because it's part of what allows him to fit everything into his tidy little conspiracy.
There have been prior news reports suggesting that China would be willing to normalize their relations with the Taliban if they were to take Kabul, but that has not happened.
According to an article in the Associated Press from August 18th, quote, if we are going to recognize a government, we will have to wait till the government is formed.
Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijan said on Wednesday, quote, only after that will we come to the question of diplomatic recognition.
It's the fall of Western civilization by design by the globalist, part of their post-industrial Agenda 2030 plan that I've been warning of for decades that we're now in the middle of.
So here's the headline.
It's on Infowars.com.
It's an RT article.
Biden DHS officially designates anti-lockdown protesters as terrorists.
So this is an important case study that I'd like to make.
I want to make this super clear for everybody.
The headline of this story on RT is, quote, Biden administration warns of threat from anti-lockdown extremists and terrorist sympathizers marking 9-11 anniversary.
Now, of course, if you read the article when it's reposted on InfoWars, you see a completely different headline.
Quote, Biden DHS officially designates anti-lockdown protesters as terrorists.
The headline of the RT article is fairly accurate as it relates to the content of the article, but the InfoWars version is not.
It only gets worse when you get to the sub-headline that's been added on InfoWars.
Quote, Biden's attempt to establish Soviet-style dictatorship now official.
This is absolute next level of violating journalistic ethics.
Not only has Alex been found to have not gotten permission to repost other outlets' articles many times in the past, it's very clear that his website is transforming other people's work.
This headline does not match the RT article, and whatever credibility that a website viewer might apply to RT is being stolen by InfoWars and subverted for their own purposes.
And it gets worse, too.
Within the body of the article, InfoWars has inserted multiple tweets, one by Paul Joseph Watson, which do not appear in the body of the RT article.
There's no editorial indication that these tweets are not part of the original article, and the sole byline on the article is RT.
There's also multiple ads for Alex's dumb pills and an embedded video of someone Owen Schroyer interviewed, but these are less concerning in terms of directly misrepresenting content than just embedding tweets.
Considering how concerned Alex was about the co-founder of Snopes plagiarizing some articles, I would suggest he get his own house in order because this is amazingly unethical work.
Like you have this article in RT, and Alex is completely changing the headline, adding a subheadline, throwing in some of his own content in the middle of it.
No, it'd be like somebody just reposting one of our episodes with knowledge fight guys prove that they're socialist monsters and then cut their own ads into the episode.
And then on page 10 of the National Strategy for Countering Domestic Terrorism came out two months ago.
They made an official policy.
They said any narratives of fraud in the recent general election.
You put it back on screen for me, thanks.
The emboldening impact of the violent breach of the U.S. Capitol, conditions related to the COVID-19 pandemic, and conspiracy theories promoting violence will almost certainly spur someone to try to engage in violence.
Alex is sort of reading this correctly, but he's not quite giving it the context it requires to be understood.
Here's the larger passage that this is from: quote: Enduring DVE motivations pertaining to biases against minority populations and perceived government overreach will almost certainly continue to drive DVE radicalization and mobilization to violence.
Newer socio-political developments, such as narratives of fraud in the recent general election, the emboldening impact of the violent breach of the U.S. Capitol, conditions related to the COVID-19 pandemic, and conspiracy theories promoting violence will almost certainly spur some DVEs to engage in violence this year.
Sure.
The document lays out that the two primary varieties of domestic terrorism that are on their radar are racially motivated and anti-government related.
But even with that being said, they point out that, quote, other domestic terrorists may be motivated to violence by single-issue ideologies related to abortion, animal rights, environmental, or involuntary celibate violent extremism, as well as other grievances or a combination of ideological influences.
In some cases, individuals may develop their own idiosyncratic justifications for violence that defy ready categorization.
This document doesn't label Trump supporters or any anti-lockdown protesters to be terrorists, and it honestly barely even spends any time on them.
It's a broader picture, but Alex and his friends just can't waste any opportunity to portray themselves as the world's biggest targets and victims, and it's just boring.
Yeah, especially whenever it has been proven over and over and over again that these types of things almost always wind up being more directed towards leftist protesters than anything else.
I mean, I suppose my problem with those documents is always like whenever they're talking about bigot violence, they're not including that most of the DVEs are also the people trying to investigate the protests.
I think that if you were somebody who was inclined towards bigotry-related domestic violent extremism, you might hear something like this and think, oh man, these immigrants.
There are people coming across with bubonic plague cases spreading all over the United States now in four states.
They are pouring across with hundreds of tropical Diseases that are extremely rare, even in the tropics, that are now spreading all over the United States.
But they're going to tell you that your five-year-old needs to wear a mask.
That's just the cultic, evil, lazy, leftist teachers' union wanting to swing their filthy weight around.
What you don't understand is that the reason I need to sell so many supplements and dumb pills is that we have a state-of-the-art lab where we do research and figure out exactly where the plague came from.
You know, it doesn't, I don't know why studying as an exercise doesn't seem like, I don't know, for some reason, it doesn't feel like the right word, but I might be speaking.
So this next clip is another thing that I wanted to use as kind of a teachable moment.
In the same way that looking at that RT headline that Alex has completely changed and added to the body of the text, this is another piece of rhetorical technique that Alex uses that if you can recognize some stuff like this, it is very helpful in terms of penetrating his bullshit.
There's probably this is what I'm going to give you is an incomplete list of the different claims Alex would need to substantiate before I would allow him to say another sentence.
Patricia Grossman, the Associate Asia Director for Human Rights Watch, told the Telegraph, quote, in Afghanistan, same-sex relations are punishable by 5 to 15 years in prison under a law that bans all sex between individuals not married to each other.
Afghan law specifies that marriage is between a man and a woman.
Three, 50% of the population of the Middle East is homosexual.
Again, this stat is unfounded.
Alex couldn't back this up to save his life.
For some context, in the United States, a recent Gallup poll showed that we're at a record of 5.6% of the population who self-identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or trans.
The proportion of the population of the Middle East that Alex is claiming are homosexual is absurd.
We covered that on a past episode, and Alex can't back up that story at all.
It has to do with the case of Charlene Downs, who is a girl who went missing in 2003 in the UK.
Two men who ran a fast food spot were tried for her murder, and in the trial, the prosecutors alleged that the men had discussed chopping up her body and putting it into the kebab.
This was never proven, and the men were ultimately not charged and released.
The prosecution was working off covert surveillance that was, quote, handled poorly and unprofessionally to the point where the detective who was in charge of the case had to resign after being found guilty of misconduct when a disciplinary hearing was called to review how things went with the case.
This is such a wide swath of points about completely unrelated topics that would take a really long time to actually discuss.
And when you took the time to do so, it would become super clear that the version of these stories that Alex is presenting is not real.
When he shoots them off like a gattling gun, what he's trying to do is create too many points for a listener to even consciously take in, let alone retain.
This is a tactic that demagogues and bullshit artists use pretty regularly.
It's kind of a self-defense mechanism because, on the one hand, it makes them appear to know a lot of stuff, and it also makes it so the most critical people probably wouldn't want to engage with them.
If you're trying to debate a point with Alex and he responded with a word salad like that, it would be really difficult to know what point you're supposed to respond to, which is intentional on Alex's part.
None of the points on their own stand up to scrutiny, but if you string enough of them together, you might be able to bluff it and make people just too disoriented to argue with you.
And that's the strategy that's being employed here.
This is a permanent world government Rockefeller Foundation cooked-up plan called Operation Lockstep.
They're never going to end the lockdowns.
They're just going to tighten them down, loosen them up some, tighten them down more, loosen them up some, through successful approximation until you have a world ID card, global carbon tax systems, your phone tracking everywhere you go, forced gene therapies on a monthly basis, whoever the system wants to put into you, whatever they want.
No more FTA process, no more nothing, just absolute total tyranny.
What's fascinating to me about that is that none of that stuff's even in the document that Alex calls Operation Luxdown.
It's pretty remarkable the distance from primary sources that he's gotten and how much of this really just is based on him repeating this stuff over and over again and building up the narratives.
I suppose he could say that it was developed at Port and Down since he says that's the big bioweapon lab that he has in the UK.
But that's not in London.
That's in Wiltshire.
Alex didn't watch 20 hours of this UN World Health Organization conference.
We covered it back when he first discovered this stuff, but just for a little refresher, he's talking about the Global Vaccine Safety Summit that took place in 2019.
Alex didn't watch all of this, nor does he understand the issues they discussed.
He just saw a couple clips that anti-vax lunatic Del Bigtree posted, and then Alex wrote his own story to flesh out the rest of the details.
Whenever this narrative comes up, it's just a matter of me waiting to hear him say the word wobbly.
That's the only hinge word he has to remember this story.
He always says wobbly.
Yep, that's the only way he can jog his memory.
That word is actually used in a speech by Dr. Heidi Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project.
Dr. Larson gave a speech on the second day of the conference, and it's a bit more complex than the way Alex presents it.
She does say that there are doctors who are expressing less confidence in vaccines and that this is a problem, but she's not saying that those doctors are right.
Alex reports on this conference like it's the UN and the World Health Organization getting together to sound the alarm that doctors around the world are catching on to the scheme and that's what's making them wobbly.
Yeah, and people have new methods of communicating misinformation or incomplete information.
In reality, Dr. Larson's speech was about how trust building is an essential step moving forward in society.
Here's a clip of her from her speech that you're never going to hear on Infowars that I think it actually pretty well captures a lot of her point.
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One of our biggest challenges, I think, now is getting rid of the term anti-vex, getting rid of the hostile language, and starting to have more conversations, to be open to questions, to make people feel like they shouldn't be judged when they're asking questions.
As crazy as those questions might seem to you, as stupid as they might seem, or as ignorant as they might seem.
This is an interesting perspective that she's bringing in terms of a way to proactively build trust, which is trying to disambiguate the people who are driving the propaganda from the people who are affected by the project.
Yes, people who have like sincere and legitimate concerns and questions that they feel aren't being answered, and people who are willfully misleading people.
Because if you can separate those two groups, you can make a lot of progress in terms of building trust with the people who have questions that maybe you would instinctually or as a knee-jerk reaction be like, you're an anti-vex weirdo and respond with hostility or derision.
And, you know, at the same time, you can definitely see a doctor having like his 30th parent come in the same day being like, I don't know if I should get my kid vaccinated.
So Alex saw a couple clips from this summit that were put out by people motivated by a very specific political agenda.
And he's pretending that he studied the whole summit.
The fake version of that summit that he's established on the show is now like, and it has been for a bit, but it's the explanation for why the globalists needed to do COVID.
But I wanted you to hear from somebody specifically who's got one of the main political parties that's having some success in getting people elected in Israel for medical freedom.
And tyranny always comes first with the medical tyranny in the last 200 years.
Alex is trying to pretend that he's part of some major political party, but this isn't really true.
In 2018, he put up a page on a crowdfunding website to run for the open primaries to be on the slate of candidates for a party running for positions in the Knesset.
He ultimately raised $162 from four backers, one of whom was anonymous, and another of whom shared his last name, and I think might be his mom.
Yeah, I don't know if I would rank them as one of the main political parties, but he's willing to talk to Alex, so that means he's got to be prestigious.
And look, I'm sure he wants to be eclipsed by you.
This is about survival, humans moving forward, exposing medical tyranny, this fifth-generational warfare of depopulation that is moving against us because all these top scientists are saying this is going to be a depopulation weapon, and now it's happening.
And now they lied last year and the hospitals were totally empty.
The virus itself was just a gain of function thing they owned.
Now, the sloughing, now what's in the vaccine creating the prion factories, and I have a stack of mainstream news admitting it, is what's causing massive illnesses all over the place.
And when you go in, they don't tell you you need ivermectin, you need vitamin C, you need zinc.
That's coming a bit for Chris Sky leaves us and lay out solutions.
They tell you nothing in the hospital, not even an IV.
And they just wait until you get worse.
And then they put a ventilator on you and kill you and get $53,000 for it.
The International COVID Summit taking place in Italy.
I was invited there.
I was invited there months ago.
They made me promote it.
Two weeks ago, they made me register for the event as a speaker.
I have all the evidence of this.
They made me go on a Zoom chat and they told me that I was going to be the representative of Canada.
I was going to be speaking for 15 minutes and I was going to be getting an award.
I said, sounds fantastic.
They told me to start booking my flight.
I was supposed to be there on the 13th of September.
Then I got a call.
They had started getting pressure from somebody as soon as they heard I was allowed to speak.
So they called me back and they said, you're not allowed to talk about the vaccine.
I said, okay.
Because the whole summit's about alternative treatments.
So I said, that's fine.
I'll talk about the alternative treatment.
So the alternative treatments being so good, we don't need the vaccine.
They said, that's great.
Then they call me back about an hour later.
We're going, I've been having another Zoom chat.
I said, okay.
They said, well, you're not allowed to say anything about the vaccine, and you're also not allowed to discuss any form of government civil disobedience.
So you're not allowed to even use your pan phrase, United Nautilus.
Anybody in Canada that's got money, power, resources, and wants to see this end and is finally ready to get off their ass, get off the sidelines and fight, then you show up there.
The globalists talk about getting rid of Magna Carta, getting rid of the Bill of Rights, getting rid of the Constitution, getting rid of the Arthurian idea that began with a round table where a king actually listened to his knights and was not at the head of the table.
If you don't comply, we could have a golden or what they're going to call a crystal age of society.
One where the people have total control over their lives.
One where we have a much higher standard of living with a much lower cost of living, much less stress, much less centralized control, and much less control of resources from a few people.
This is what they don't want because they lose their wealth, they lose their power.
But we will all get a taste of the good life that they've been enjoying.
I think that's the amazing thing that they've managed to do, like that Fox News and Alex and all of those people is like, yeah, man, the income inequality is out of control.
Yeah, we don't have control over our own lives.
Yeah, the government is fucked up and can't run itself whatsoever.
Yeah, I agree with you.
And a general strike is a good way to send a message that we're not going to take this shit anymore.
But the people that you are agreeing with are the ones who are the fault of the problem in the beginning.
And that's what the whole sustainable development smart cities just think Nazis.
But think beyond Nazis.
Think absolutely being starved, being controlled.
And they're going to make it harder and harder, by the way, for those of us that tell the truth in the future to be able to stay on air.
So I need to remember to tell the listeners of this broadcast on this Sunday evening that without your support, we're not going to be here.
So I do need money to fight these people.
I'm 1,000%, a trillion percent infinity committed here.
But if I don't remember to ask you to buy t-shirts and buy books and buy films and buy high-quality supplements, we won't be on the air.
And as you can see, we're more important than ever.
I'm not trying to brag.
The enemy's got all my phones tapped.
They know.
Sure.
I talk to leaders of governments, all the major talk show hosts.
The whole resistance listens to me.
Hell, they call me up, and I'm not bragging.
They say, Jones, you're like the oracle.
It's not like I'm the general.
I'm like the oracle they go to, and the generals go out from that.
And that's a real blessing to be in this position.
And I'm looking for other people to be in that position as well because that's how we win, is rising people up who have the spirit to challenge the system.
The whole biggest military in the world can't stop the Vietnamese or the Taliban when they don't submit.
Well, how can they make Germany and France and Israel and the UK and Canada and the U.S. and Australia and New Zealand submit to permanent martial law when it's a fake vaccine?
It's poison.
I say stop complying and say no now.
Elect new leaders and then arrest Fauci and Gates and try them in Nuremberg too and then hang their asses after they're convicted.
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Now, Jordan, again, I might have to ask you to mic down for this because it's amazing.
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Let's get right down to business.
This Nation America was founded on the Ten Commandments.
The one-room schoolhouses used to teach it.
It was the curriculum in every school and every house.
It's called the Bible, the Law of God.
He says, if you love me, keep, guard, and do my commandments.
If you say you love me, you're not keeping and guarding and doing my commandments, then the truth is not in you, and you're a liar.
Now then, let's go forward.
Proverbs 6.23, the commandments, the lamp, and the law of God is the light.
And he commanded us all to be the light.
Now, if it was the foundation of America in every schoolhouse and every house, perhaps you ought to have these pillowcases under your heads immediately.
Remember, it's in the Bible twice with Jacob's pillow.
That's right.
Jacob's pillow and the pillow that Christ slept on in the middle of a storm.
Now, if you think these plagues are going away, it says in the Bible there's going to be plural plagues.
So we'll talk about the amulet as well.
That's in the Bible twice.
So you're supposed to teach your children when they rise up when they lay down.
Do you know the commandments?
That's the problem.
Can you say them right now?
All ten commandments for sure?
Well, you don't have to have them in order, but you better have them written on the tables of your mind and your heart.
The only way to save America is to win this spiritual war.
You gotta clobber those demons.
You're not gonna do it with a gun or freeze blood food or an underground bunker.
You cannot walk away as a coward now.
You have to be equipped.
And the equipment you need is step one.
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Yeah, it's a little bit strange to me that he's supposed to be a news show, and so much of this episode was just dumb COVID shit when there is actual news that he should be quite interested in discussing.