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July 16, 2021 - Knowledge Fight
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#577: July 13, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss a pretty extreme day in the Infowar.  In this installment, Alex reminds his audience at least ten times that they are about to die, makes up some censorship stories, and has thoughts about "Rainbow Dildo Butt Monkey." Citations

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alex jones
18:59
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dan friesen
52:32
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jordan holmes
25:51
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steve quayle
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alex jones
Knowledge Fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
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dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
Jordan!
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan!
jordan holmes
Jordan!
Quick question for you.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is actually, it's been a little bit of a challenging week, but this gets around to my bright spot.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And that is that at the beginning of this week I had, I don't know, I don't know if I'm getting sort of like stolen valor by calling it surgery.
I'm not sure.
I call it surgery because it was cutting something out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's surgery.
dan friesen
It is surgery.
jordan holmes
Just because it's not like open heart surgery doesn't mean you don't get to call it surgery.
dan friesen
It feels like I'm putting on airs or being really presumptuous if I say it's surgery.
jordan holmes
Well, you didn't get Tommy John surgery.
dan friesen
No, that's true.
I have dealt with an ingrown toenail on my right big toe for the past 15 years.
jordan holmes
Yeah, a long time.
dan friesen
Long, long time.
jordan holmes
I'd say too long.
dan friesen
Sure, sure, sure.
I've had it cut out a couple times and it comes back and it's just like this lingering chronic problem that I have gotten to the point where I kind of made a decision in my head that's like, well, it's just never going to change.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's just this is something that I have and it's for the rest of my life.
Right.
jordan holmes
Like a club foot.
Sure!
dan friesen
And fairly recently, I started to come around on the idea of, like, that's a silly assumption to make.
And I started to think about all of the ways in which...
It has impacted my life.
And there's so many things that I want to do or I want to be able to do that I can't do because of this toe.
Like, I can't climb a tree.
Because if I do, I'll probably bang my toe on it and it'll hurt like hell.
I can't do push-ups the normal way because of the excruciating pain of trying to put all my weight on my foot.
I can't run because of the constant padding on the ground of the foot.
And so I finally decided to bite the bullet and take care of it and now have a wounded foot.
But it's healed very nicely.
And yeah, it was an interesting experience to go in and have that.
I have not had things cut for a while.
jordan holmes
Did they leave anything in the open wound?
You know, like sometimes they leave forceps in, I don't think there's any souvenirs, any gauze.
Oh, man.
See, now we're going to get into conspiracy theories.
This was absolutely a patriot doctor, and you have been implanted with a chip.
dan friesen
Fine.
jordan holmes
They know where you are all the time.
dan friesen
Yeah, my apartment.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Cool.
Couldn't have found me.
Couldn't have found me otherwise.
dan friesen
Way to go, FBI.
Until the beginning of this week, I couldn't run.
jordan holmes
And until at least two weeks from now, you still won't!
dan friesen
Yeah.
My toe looks like it's dead right now.
Not gonna be running for a bit.
But anyway, it's a bright spot to come to a point where I'm like, yeah, I can take care of this.
I'm gonna try...
To move in a positive direction.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's great.
We've talked about that for, well, obviously for years, you and I. Not constantly.
No, no, no.
Not constantly, of course.
But we've...
It's not like a regular topic of conversation.
dan friesen
What a shitty friendship there would be.
Dan's just constantly talking about his toe.
unidentified
Hey, man, I just read up on toe stuff.
jordan holmes
You wanna...
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
dan friesen
Yeah, and one of the best parts about it, too, is that like, you know, like care afterwards, a lot of it involves just Epsom salt bags.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So it's like, well, chance I was going to do that anyway.
So what about you?
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan, is re-watching the Matt Smith series of Doctor Who.
Sure.
dan friesen
I know he's your favorite doctor.
jordan holmes
He's my favorite doctor by far.
You know, whenever I first saw him, I think it was like 2010.
It was almost, it was 12 years ago or something.
And it was immediately like, oh, this would be like if I was the Doctor.
It was just like, this makes perfect sense to me, and I'm re-watching it, and it's still fantastic.
dan friesen
Is he loud?
jordan holmes
He's loud.
He is simultaneously incredibly fast-talking, very angry, and also sad all the time.
Yeah!
It's kind of an interesting, it's me.
dan friesen
Sounds like I don't need to watch this show.
jordan holmes
You don't.
dan friesen
I've experienced it.
You bet.
So before we get into today's episode, I thought I'd share a little bit of a survivor thought.
This is the new segment, Survivor Thoughts.
I've started season 10, and I think it's harder to watch now because in season 9, Jeff Probst starts dating one of the contestants.
jordan holmes
Oh, he does what?
dan friesen
Well, after the season's over.
jordan holmes
I'm still not cool with that.
unidentified
It kind of makes season 10 a little bit uncomfortable to watch.
dan friesen
Because you're like, well, he could start dating any of these people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not okay.
dan friesen
Is this the Jeff Probst dating pool?
I'm sure that they had a fine relationship and it was based on neutral attraction and whatever, but it's still just bizarre.
It makes me a little uncomfortable.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then what was the other thought that I had?
Oh, season nine is almost certainly where the first volley of the show being destroyed happens.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And that is because something happens in, I think, the second episode where...
They cannot explain how this is supposed to go.
So they're like...
There's a men and a women's tribe.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And they're competing for reward and immunity.
But they have to win the first challenge as a tribe to get reward.
And then individually...
jordan holmes
To get immunity.
dan friesen
Yes.
So one man or one woman will win immunity.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Right.
Then...
Both tribes have to go to tribal council and vote somebody out, right?
So the person who wins immunity, the individual, is safe.
Then they go to the other tribal council and give the immunity to one of the opposite tribe members.
It's like...
While the people were trying to explain what was going on, it's just like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You're trying too hard.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is...
There's no...
Nobody was like, hey, you know what the problem with Survivor was?
Not enough Rube Goldberg machines!
dan friesen
Sincerely, like, the people on the show trying to explain what was happening seemed confused.
And I was like, oh, no.
Oh, God, no.
jordan holmes
Not many people tune into TV to watch ninth grade story problems from geometry talk to them, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a lot of logic puzzles that go on in terms of the rules.
jordan holmes
Okay, if one of your teammates is going 40 miles an hour headed east, and another one of your teammates has immunity, but they're headed 35 miles an hour headed west.
dan friesen
It's infuriating, but I'm excited to see just how quickly it deteriorates.
Because that seems to me to be like that.
Just that crack in the facade.
I'm like, uh-oh, this is gonna spread.
jordan holmes
We have run out of ideas.
dan friesen
This windshield is gonna break.
Also, last survivor thought, I love the range that they have in terms of their challenges, because sometimes it's like these elaborate fucking, like, you have to jump over this, you have to climb this wall, and then you have to unhook something and carry it back over the wall.
It's like elaborate courses.
And then sometimes it's like, fuck it, hold your breath.
jordan holmes
What?
No, that's, uh, yeah, that's such a, uh, that's maybe my favorite joke in all of Rick and Morty is, uh, Rick sets up this, uh, like, saw situation where you have to get through challenges, and then because he was too drunk, you know, the third one is he's just like, ah, I ran out of ideas.
Make some three-pointers.
So they just start shooting three-pointers.
And you're like, that is exactly what I was looking for.
dan friesen
It does feel like that.
They're like, ah, who cares?
It's hard to hold your breath.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we're going to be going over July 13th, 2021.
jordan holmes
That was a straight up tie.
That was simultaneous.
dan friesen
I think that this episode's troubling in a number of ways.
And some of the stuff I'm excited to talk about, some of it is a little bit grim and uncomfortable.
But we will get to that in a moment.
But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, bag creator of butt poop.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
That might be a code of some sort.
jordan holmes
Yeah, thank you.
Whatever that is, I'm sure it's great.
dan friesen
Next, Neuromancer was a good book, but All Tomorrow's Parties is William Gibson's, all capitals, best book, Fight Me.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I can't fight you.
I have no position on this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, no position.
dan friesen
Next, Gonzo the Borb.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Next, Yolanda, pronounced Yolanda and not Yolanda.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Yolanda.
jordan holmes
Yolanda pronounced Yolanda.
Oh, shit.
Yolanda, dear.
dan friesen
Next, we've got a couple of technocrats.
I'd like to give a hello and a wave, too.
So first of all, Moxie, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Xander, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate, that's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you, Moxie and Xander.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, we have a little bit of...
We gotta get deep.
But we have to get deeper than usual this time, I think.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
alex jones
Giving someone life is giving someone death.
You could say that.
You could.
dan friesen
You could say that.
And I hate to say this, and this pains me, but I think this is probably our last birthday segment.
I apologize to anybody who has made a birthday shout-out request that you've not heard it on the show.
We're just getting out of control.
We just can't do that.
We had fun, and I wanted this to be something that we could all have a good time with, and I think we did.
I think between us and...
We've ran this into the ground.
jordan holmes
You know, you could say that starting a segment...
Is ending a segment.
dan friesen
You could.
You could say that.
Giving a segment life is giving a segment death.
Yes.
And that is what we have come to.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
So, in this farewell edition of Birthday Shoutouts, I'd like to give Ryan a shoutout.
This is coming from Pleiades the Cat.
Very happy birthday, Ryan.
jordan holmes
Happy birthday, Ryan.
dan friesen
Also, this is fantastic.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So, Stephanie sent me a message and wanted to give a happy birthday shoutout to my brother.
So, I know the birthday is on the 14th of July.
jordan holmes
But we don't know whose birthday it is.
dan friesen
I know that he's 31 years old, but I don't know his name.
jordan holmes
See, once again, if you are Stephanie, guess what?
You got wished a happy birthday, and if you're Stephanie's brother, say it was you.
Easy.
unidentified
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Stephanie was the one who emailed on behalf of her brother whose name we don't know.
jordan holmes
All right.
If you're Stephanie's brother...
dan friesen
Name never specified.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
dan friesen
If you're somebody out there and you have a sister named Stephanie and your birthday's on the 14th and you're 31 years old, happy birthday.
jordan holmes
Happy birthday.
Happy birthday.
Now, unfortunately, and this is true, seeing as how this is our last birthday segment...
These will also be the last birthdays for all people involved.
I'm sorry to say that, but it's just how it works.
dan friesen
I don't stand by that, but whatever.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, we're going to do this here July 13th, 2021 episode, but first, here's an Out of Context drop from today's show.
alex jones
Ah, the good old days.
Out in LaGrange.
The ranch, the chicken ranch.
The whorehouse.
ZZ Top.
unidentified
They got some nice girls.
You know what I'm talking about.
dan friesen
Meow, meow, meow, meow.
unidentified
Meow, meow, meow, meow.
dan friesen
We know that famous ZZ Top lyric, ZZ Top.
jordan holmes
ZZ Top!
Hey!
I love all Aerosmith songs when all of a sudden he's just like, Aerosmith!
dan friesen
Yeah, I had a buddy who we did do a lot of karaoke together and he would do Legs by ZZ Top.
And you can just sing She's Got Legs, She Knows How to Use Them the entire song.
The meter fits the entire time.
jordan holmes
Well, nobody ever claimed ZZ Top was a top flight composition.
dan friesen
No.
I would do tush from time to time.
jordan holmes
Now, that is top flight composition, though.
Unfortunately, not.
dan friesen
Well, that was only because the karaoke bar that I went to didn't have On the Planet of Women or Slip Inside My Sleeping Bag.
jordan holmes
I will never not be delighted whenever I finally get back to reading ZZ Top song titles.
dan friesen
They're pretty great.
jordan holmes
Did you guys get...
How?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How?
dan friesen
So, here we go.
We're going to start off.
Here's where Alex is at.
alex jones
Going back five years ago, Gmail already blocks Infowars.com, the URL.
And that happens at libraries, other places.
They put you in this false database as fake news or a fraud.
And, of course, they define anyone that resists them as that.
But this really is the holy grail of control.
dan friesen
So this is a rare opportunity where you can actually do an experiment and test the truth of the claim that Alex is making.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
And it is not true.
I have multiple Gmail accounts for personal and professional use, and I tested sending various InfoWars links between them.
None got censored, and none were blocked.
Even links to just the homepage.
Not even hiding behind some dummy redirect URL.
It went through just fine.
This is just more agreement bragging that Alex is trying to do.
jordan holmes
That's so funny, because I saw one of the test emails.
dan friesen
Oh, in our show email.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and I looked at it, and I was like, whoop!
And then two seconds later, I was like, oh, Alex must have claimed that you couldn't email his links.
I immediately knew exactly.
Yep, immediately.
dan friesen
So, before we get too deep into this episode, I want to mention that there's a really severe tone that you'll notice throughout this show, and I noticed even before I started listening to this episode over on band.video.
As I was preparing things, the featured video on the homepage was a Greg Reese video titled, quote, This is the End.
jordan holmes
That's a harsh start.
dan friesen
The episode that we're covering today from July 13th has the headline, quote, The globalists must be arrested now or billions will die.
As I was looking over the video titles on the site, I couldn't help but feel like this was just kind of end-of-the-world-themed clickbait.
One video was just titled, quote, New World Order's Official Announcement by Government Shocks the Planet.
Think about how many times Alex has run that headline in the past.
Think about how many times he's reported that finally the New World Order has come out into the open.
It's almost a joke at this point.
The thing that really stuck out to me was how low Alex's view counts were on these videos.
You'd think that this severe tone of doom would be the kind of thing you'd employ to gain attention and drive traffic, and if that's the plan, I'm not convinced that that plan is working.
All of his actual episodes have view counts between 200,000 and 300,000 views, which isn't bad.
That's not bad.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
But it's way below what you'd expect for someone in Alex's position.
Yeah.
It looks like Alex's Saturday shows, which have a guest-heavy format, those seem to be far more popular than his usual show.
And I can't help but think that that's at least partially because his normal show sucks.
And even the audience may be getting tired of this.
jordan holmes
They're getting ready to be like, you can't carry this show by yourself.
dan friesen
All the King's Horses, Men, and Sensational Headlines can't make up for how tired this act is getting.
And when you have these Saturday shows that are like four guests deep, and it's just like, all right, let's see what Nick Fuentes is going to bring to the mix.
Let's bring Pachanek in here.
Barnes.
You do that, and it's like, well, at least that'll be different than Alex.
jordan holmes
Rambling on about bullshit.
dan friesen
If I were him, if I were Alex, I'd be a bit worried about this phenomenon.
He's still pulling way better numbers than Owen Troyer and Harrison Smith, but I was looking around and he's pretty consistently getting beat by Greg Reese's sensational last little video essays.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
Yeah, those seem to be the leader in the Infowars clubhouse.
jordan holmes
You know what he's got to do.
Here's my pitch.
Get a co-host for a show.
But don't go in the Patriot realm.
Sports talk radio.
All those guys are crazy conservative and sane, and they all know how to talk nonstop without actually saying anything.
You can just bounce bullshit off of them all day.
dan friesen
And I think Owen Schroer has some history in sports journalism, perhaps.
I think back in Missouri he might have been involved in that, so maybe he could be the natural attaché.
jordan holmes
I think they switched to just being an all-Texas Rangers talk format.
dan friesen
Why not?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Couldn't hurt.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So here's where Alex has to go from...
Okay, so he's already made the claim that the Gmail blocks everything.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Nonsense.
jordan holmes
Non-true.
dan friesen
And he moves on to be like, you know, they're going to block texts.
They're going to block your email.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
So I'm glad that one of our writers read that article, thought it was important.
It was just hidden in plain view.
Saki talking to the press saying, yeah, we're getting ready to start.
The DNC is.
I guess their new national police force they've announced.
That's actually who.
And the Pentagon with trainees from the Southern Poverty Law Center and ADL to read all of your text messages, have them scanned by AI, flagged, and then they're going to block your ability to say certain things, and they're actually going to go into the autofill function and not let you type certain things even before it's been scanned when you try to send it.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
So, this is the power of AI control.
dan friesen
So, first of all, up to this point, Alex has not specified what article his employee showed him that spelled all this out.
He's made reference to how important it is a couple of times, but I have no specifics to work on other than I think it was in Politico.
Now, let's really break down the claim that Alex is making here, because I think if you look at the constituent parts of this conspiracy, you'll see how desperately he's just grabbing at straws trying to make stuff up.
Press Secretary Jen Psaki said in a press conference that the DNC's new police force has teamed up with the Pentagon and they're enlisting trainees from the ADL and the Southern Poverty Law Center to read literally everyone's text messages.
This will be achieved by feeding the text through an unspecified AI system, which will flag problematic texts and I guess stop them from being delivered while a human review takes place, I guess.
This is also going to somehow affect the autofill function of every different phone company's operating system, which is going to make it so you can't type certain things.
Now, autofill apparently will no longer just suggest words that you might be typing, but will force you to take their suggestions, which seems like a user experience nightmare waiting to happen.
jordan holmes
I think one, people might notice quickly.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Two, before we go any further with what they can do, if there's a DNC police force teaming up with the Pentagon, already a problem.
I don't need further conspiracies!
That's an issue!
dan friesen
Yeah, this is stupid.
Like, even if you were an evil, all-powerful cabal bent on trying to censor everyone's text messages, this would be a dumb, dumb way to do it.
For one reason, the autofill thing would cause an uproar in the consumer base.
We've seen over and over again that in the realm of digital communication, if certain words are banned, people will try to find ways to use code or replace letters with symbols to get around scanning.
If a company were to impose word restrictions to the point where it affected the customer's ability to use the product, people would adapt communication or stop using the product.
What's going on here is that Alex has just evolved his conspiracy about that bill we talked about in the last episode, that anti-racism and public health act of 2021 that probably isn't going to pass.
And now it's not just about the ADL and SPLC reading your medical records.
Now they scan all your text messages.
It's evolved thanks to this Politico article, I think.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think what's funny about that is...
More than anything else, more than any of Trump's lies or the conservative propaganda, a massive amount of consumer inconvenience would lead to an overthrow of our government, more than like, oh, they stole the election.
Everybody's like, eh, politics is corrupt.
But if you're like, I can't text my friends anymore, it's over!
dan friesen
I mean, you took down MySpace.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
It was huge.
MySpace created Dane Cook.
jordan holmes
It was huge.
dan friesen
Do people forget that?
jordan holmes
Of course they do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Of course they do.
People forgot Dane Cook, I feel like.
dan friesen
Without MySpace, we never would have had tourgasm.
jordan holmes
Or any of those movies he was in.
dan friesen
That Waiting.
jordan holmes
Oh, he was in Waiting.
dan friesen
With Ryan Reynolds.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That one with Kevin Costner.
Yes.
Imagine playing that one.
We both did that.
dan friesen
Mr. Brooks.
unidentified
Yes.
Yep.
dan friesen
I was going to say Mr. Deeds, but that was Andrew Sandler?
jordan holmes
Andrew Sandler, the button-down evil twin of Adam Sandler.
dan friesen
So Alex has already made the erroneous claim that Gmail blocks Infowars links, and now he has another erroneous claim of censorship.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And I told you ten years ago their holy grail will be being able to ban certain voice prints.
Well, now Facebook doesn't allow the uploading of any Trump clips, period.
unless it's by a handful of select controlled corporate media.
So this is every nightmare authoritarian system that you could ever...
dan friesen
Just a quick search on Facebook of recently posted Trump clips returns many from Newsmax, who I wouldn't call anointed by the mainstream media.
Also, Fox News, as well as local news channels, posted Trump's entire speech at CPAC.
Also, this is really bad news for Donald Trump Jr. for him to learn this way that he is one of the handful of anointed mainstream media outlets.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but you know...
dan friesen
Controlled outlets.
jordan holmes
You know, they suck you in.
You think you're anti-establishment, then you become the establishment.
It happens.
dan friesen
He has a page on Facebook with 3.2 million followers.
jordan holmes
Wow, you know.
dan friesen
And as early as yesterday, he was posting videos of his dad.
jordan holmes
What just occurred to me?
What just occurred to me more than anything else was with that email thing, how could you listen to the show and believe him when you almost certainly have emailed links to your family that day?
Do you know what I mean?
Like, they are always sending links to each other.
To InfoWars stuff.
They're always sending out emails with InfoWars links in them.
dan friesen
Maybe they just think that they're one of the lucky ones who isn't censored.
jordan holmes
Man, that's too sad.
That makes me too sad.
dan friesen
Or maybe they use the, like, whatever his whack-a-mole URL is.
jordan holmes
That's true.
unidentified
That could be.
dan friesen
So then you can feel like you're getting around the censorship somehow that doesn't exist.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex gets to talking about this Politico article, and I finally am able to sort out what he's covering.
alex jones
And so Kit Daniels and I wrote a story about it yesterday.
I shot a special report on it.
And it was posted to Infowars.com.
And then, of course, the great Tucker Carlson led with it last night.
And now it's all over the news today.
And where is Congress?
What are they doing about it?
Here are some of the headlines.
Breaking.
DNC announces plan to surveil and censor all American private text messages, reports Politico.
dan friesen
Okay, so that was enough to help me figure out.
Up to this point, I was trying to find a hold, like I was climbing a rock, which I couldn't do when I had my bad toenail.
jordan holmes
No, exactly.
dan friesen
But now that I have gotten surgery, I can rock climb.
And I found a grip.
So this was an article in Politico by Natasha Koreki titled, quote, potentially a death sentence.
White House goes off on vaccine fear mongers.
The sentence from the article that's caused this intense backlash from Alex and Tucker and all their ilk is this, quote, Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that are sent over social media and text messages.
That sounds pretty scary, but if you read the entirety of the article, it's pretty clear that what they're talking about is not individual users, but organizations that use text messages to send mass messages that are directed towards eroding public health.
The article brings up Charlie Kirk in Turning Point USA.
Turning Point Action, a 501c4 affiliated with TPUSA, has also sent out SMS messages urging people to sign petitions on the topic.
In one message viewed by Politico, Kirk contends, quote, Biden is sending goons door to door to make you take a COVID-19 vaccine.
Sign the petition, no medical raids in America.
This is obviously a problem, and when you're in a leadership position, you have to choose what you're going to do.
You can try to address the problem of people like Charlie Kirk literally profiting off letting his audience die, or you can do nothing and accept that a certain subset of the population is going to be misled off a cliff by this type of messaging.
I don't know what the right call would be here, and I have no interest in being in a leadership position because I couldn't solve a problem like this.
I can say that I would be uncomfortable with the government itself taking action and reading people's text messages and such, if that's what they were doing, even if there were mass texts being sent out by clearly bad faith actors like someone like Charlie Kirk.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Thankfully, Natasha Koreki, the writer of the Politico piece, clarified on Twitter what was meant by that sentence that's fueled a couple days of right-wing media outrage.
Quote, as the story points out, it's allied private groups that are working with SMS carriers, not the White House.
Even then, there's no ability for groups to read individual texts aside from ones they receive themselves.
This adds a lot of complexion to the story.
So these are groups that are allied with the White House that are trying to work with text messaging providers to enlist them to limit the ability of people like Charlie Kirk to spam misinformation over the phone.
They wouldn't be able to read text prior to them being sent.
It would likely result in a system where, like, if a recipient complained to their text provider, they'd look into it and act however they decided was in their company's interest.
Right.
unidentified
The version of the story that Alex is reporting is entirely dishonest, but there's a kernel of something that probably should be discussed underneath it, I think.
dan friesen
I don't care about Alex's position on it, but I think there's something important.
There's a really tough question they have to wrestle with, and that is, should speech that demonstrably puts people at risk be as protected as any other kind of speech?
And if so, at what point does that risk become a problem?
It's hard.
It's a hard question.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The courts have held that you can be charged for encouraging harm in someone via text messages, even though it would appear that that's just you engaging in speech.
Michelle Carter was sentenced to 15 months in prison for involuntary manslaughter after she encouraged her boyfriend to commit suicide.
The appeals court upheld her conviction and the Supreme Court decided not to hear the case, which implies that they didn't consider the ruling to be a true infringement of First Amendment rights.
This may not be an exact parallel, but there has been a willingness from courts to rule that, to a certain extent, encouraging harm can constitute speech that is not protected.
The direct harm in Carter's case is much clearer, but when almost everyone dying in the United States of COVID is now unvaccinated, it does feel like directly discouraging vaccination through dishonest means could be argued to be an attempt to cause harm.
I don't know, and I don't know where the line would be, but I do think that there's probably a discussion to be had by, I don't know, far more insightful people than even myself, and certainly more insightful than Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, so if I was looking at it, I would say the first thing that you have to do before you take any action is prove that it's malicious and repetitive, right?
So if they're constantly spamming out malicious Lies, then that seems like a much easier way to deal with it than just being like, hey, blanket, you can or can't do this.
To allow for error, say if you get caught spamming lies.
Which it's not hard to tell if they're lies or not.
Repeatedly, after being told that you can't lie to people anymore, then you get fucking destroyed or fined or whatever it is, you know?
That kind of thing.
It's not necessarily a we can ban or unban speech so much as...
dan friesen
I would almost even add in a qualifier that there needs to be a profit motive, too.
Because I think that people can be misled and sincerely do harm by way of...
jordan holmes
Belief system, or yeah.
dan friesen
Or not even belief system, but just like having the wrong information or whatever.
They can think that they're doing the right thing and do something that is...
jordan holmes
I think profit is absolutely involved, totally.
dan friesen
I think at least in terms of misinformation.
In the case of that girl and her boyfriend, that's a different thing.
jordan holmes
No, I got nothing.
dan friesen
Than misinformation, necessarily.
The connective tissue there is that it's not protected speech.
Right.
It's directing harm.
jordan holmes
Right.
But, I mean, it's very significant, you know.
In that situation, it's personal and one-to-one, and in this vaccine situation, it's they're creating a mass culture around encouraging harm.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it's tough.
It's tough to know what the right thing to do is to protect speech, and at the same time, not allow...
Devastation.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with Ed Harris' plan in The Rock.
dan friesen
I haven't seen The Rock.
jordan holmes
It's great.
dan friesen
I've heard that.
jordan holmes
You're going to love it.
dan friesen
That implies that I'm going to watch it.
And that implication is wrong.
jordan holmes
Not true.
Nicholas Cage, though.
Come on, man.
dan friesen
Speaking of things that are wrong, here is Alex being wrong about this Politico article.
alex jones
And of course, notice they first say, oh, to save lives with COVID.
That's right.
You can't.
Talk about ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine when they suppress cures, because they're criminals, big techs invested in big pharma.
But really, then you read on, it's, oh, an election disinfo.
You know, we can't let Trump have his speeches on Facebook or Twitter or YouTube, because, you know, you're not allowed to question the election.
That's not something you're allowed to do.
That's terrorism.
dan friesen
This article literally says nothing about election misinformation.
Alex is just completely making that up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, just toss that in.
dan friesen
It's almost entirely about ways that people are trying to fight back against the right-wing misinformation campaign about Biden's proposed door-to-door awareness outreach about the vaccination campaign.
Like people saying it's going to be people coming to your door with needles and stuff.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's people from the community.
Coming around and being like, hey, you know, it's easier than you might think to go get a shot.
If you think that there are hurdles and you would like to get a shot, there aren't hurdles.
Do you think it's too expensive?
Guess what?
It's not.
Do you think it's too far away?
Guess what?
It's not.
jordan holmes
It's not.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's really what the campaign is.
And so this article is about just the what do you do about the incessant misinformation surrounding these things.
jordan holmes
Dress them up as Jehovah's Witnesses.
That's the trick.
Everybody expects Jehovah's Witness to come to your door sooner or later.
That's what they've got going on.
dan friesen
I don't feel like you're going to get the warmest welcome.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
But I guess you're probably not if you're...
jordan holmes
You're not going to get attacked right away.
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
You'll at least get a knock on the door.
dan friesen
So anyway, this article has nothing to do with election misinformation.
And it also lies a bit more.
alex jones
That's what scares me is most of the time.
It's us that breaks the big story.
That finds where they're rolling something out quietly and points it out.
Democrat groups plan to fact-check private SMS messages on all texting platforms.
And that, of course, ladies and gentlemen, is the Southern Poverty Law Center and ADL already reading everything you're doing.
They're already inside.
They just want to announce it and normalize it.
dan friesen
The ADL and SPLC are not mentioned once in the Politico article.
I guess Alex could just read the term Biden-allied groups and assume that's which groups the article's talking about, but that's no better than just a guess on his part.
He's reporting this based on nothing.
unidentified
That's just straight-up bullshit.
dan friesen
Just talking shit.
jordan holmes
Might as well.
SPLC and ADL are easy enemies.
dan friesen
The audience is primed to think demons.
Yeah, why not?
So, Alex brings up a clip that he covered a couple weeks back here.
And, man, this is metastasized.
alex jones
What did the Canadian health minister, the head health minister, say two weeks ago?
He said, we can't ever end the martial law.
People will protest our government.
No speech is allowed offline.
unidentified
Did he say that?
alex jones
You're like, well, that's total authoritarianism.
Yeah.
They're just doing it, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
This is a complete misrepresentation of what Nova Scotian health official Dr. Strang said in a clip Alex covered a few weeks back.
Strang just made an offhand comment about one of the advantages of large gatherings not happening is that it limits the ability of people spreading misinformation from gathering and disseminating dangerous public health messages.
The broader context of the video, as we talked about, is Strang and Premier Rankin fielding questions about whether or not it was wise of them to open up schools and businesses, which they were doing.
Alex is completely making up all the surrounding context of this clip, most likely because he doesn't even actually remember what was said.
At a certain point, only remembers the fake version of things that he's repeated on his show.
And that's kind of troubling.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's definitely a pattern of like, eventually he convinces himself and it goes from short-term memory into long-term bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's like a self-reinforcing artificial...
Facade.
jordan holmes
He's his own feedback loop.
dan friesen
It's weird.
It is weird.
jordan holmes
It's terrifying, too.
dan friesen
I do like the irony, though, of that entire press conference really being about how they were opening up and people were concerned that it was too early.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex is like, you saw the guy who's saying, hey, our tyranny is never going to end.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
That's, you know, I mean, he's right.
dan friesen
It's so dumb.
jordan holmes
He's right.
If he did come out and say it's martial law and no one is allowed to speak offline, that would be tyranny.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Unfortunately, he was talking about how he had already, I guess, relaxed martial law.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And we're free!
dan friesen
And journalists were concerned about public health.
unidentified
Yeah, journalists!
alex jones
Are we ready?
jordan holmes
Journalists were like, hey, man, I don't know!
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, this is staggering.
alex jones
Well, we've got articles out today.
We'll be covering next segment.
Shock Report.
There were more COVID-19 vaccine deaths last week in the U.S. than COVID-19 deaths.
That's an official number.
dan friesen
That's an official number!
jordan holmes
That doesn't sound right.
Whenever he brings up something incongruous that doesn't sound like it could happen, it doesn't seem like he ever entertains the possibility that it actually couldn't happen.
dan friesen
I was waiting for him to explain what the fuck he was basing this off of, and it took until about the end of the show, and he just makes a passing reference to a Gateway Pundit article, and I went and I tried to find it, and basically all that it's rooted in is...
That there are reports of like 9,000 people who have died after taking the vaccine.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That doesn't mean that 9,000 people died from the vaccine.
jordan holmes
No, that doesn't sound right at all.
dan friesen
And in order for Alex to make his numbers work, he has to assume that like 40 times, like only one in 40 vaccine side effects gets reported.
So whatever number is reported, you got to multiply it.
It's a little bit dumb.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So, we know that Alex believes that politics is bullshit.
Except when people that he likes wins.
And then it's not bullshit.
Never.
Everybody who he doesn't like got in fraudulently.
jordan holmes
Cheating.
dan friesen
And they gotta be arrested.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
They're being elected through fraud.
Merkel has been installed.
Macron has been installed.
Johnson got elected posing as a patriot.
He's as bad as they come in the UK.
jordan holmes
That didn't take long.
alex jones
And I'm going.
To cover that in the last segment of this hour, the fact that we are not in Kansas anymore, things are not going to get better until these people are arrested.
dan friesen
They've got to be arrested.
So, the politicians Alex doesn't like fraudulent.
They took power fraudulently.
Now, he does not like the UK, Boris.
He doesn't like Boris Johnson.
But he did really win, because he pretended to be a patriot.
jordan holmes
Correct.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I do appreciate that the far right gets, like...
dan friesen
The only possible way to win is to be like me!
jordan holmes
Immediately hated if you do one thing they don't like.
Like, that idea of Boris being like, hey, even I, the sociopath I am, I'm like, we can't let another...
Shit ton of people die.
I can't do that.
I'm not Bolsonaro.
Bolsonaro will let everybody die.
Trump will let everybody die.
These dudes don't give a fuck about people.
But for one moment, my conscience existed, and now the far right thinks I'm the devil!
dan friesen
You were pretending.
jordan holmes
Exactly, yes.
It took zero seconds.
dan friesen
You know, in that sense, it is really surprising how many chances Trump has been given by folks.
jordan holmes
A million billion.
dan friesen
Because he's wrong on a number of things.
Like the vaccine.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the other thing, too, is that, like, I think that Alex just doesn't know anything about what Bolsonaro does or stands for.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
And because of that, he gets a million chances, too.
He just seems up Alex's alley.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's a monster.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So this next clip I would describe as a fear ramble.
alex jones
In the official database, more deaths from vaccines last week from the supposed COVID shot.
We're going to cover that.
Do you understand?
They're making their move.
And I told you they'd claim, oh, we're taking restrictions off.
But they just put them right back on with more controls than before.
And now that's being done exactly as I said, because it's an enemy plan.
jordan holmes
Aren't they going to kill everybody?
alex jones
And organizing legislatures and governors and society and shunning corporations and businesses that are the first to try to bully us in to these vaccine passports, can we stop them?
Because once they get their world ID, that thing's going to tell you under a carbon rationing tax where you can go, what you can do, what you can eat, who you can live with, everything.
They admit that's the plan.
This global internet ID is for social credit control.
It is for surveillance.
And it's all being shoehorned in under the name of COVID.
Oh, we're going to read your text messages and censor them for COVID and elections and other news.
Just bombshell, over the top, unprecedented.
dan friesen
Also not true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Man, you know, it's just sometimes you really want to, like, grab these people and just shake them by the shoulders and be like, the whole point is that despite how awful you are, I am still trying to not kill you!
That's the idea!
The way you are acting makes me not want to care if you live or die, but I'm still not letting you die!
dan friesen
And I think that that's one of the things that makes this question about these spam messages that are detrimental to public health so challenging, is that the alternative to...
Trying to find a solution to it is just cutting your losses and just being like, well, these people are just going to die.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I guess the far right is just going to lose, I guess, 3% and then we'll move on.
dan friesen
That's fucking nightmarish.
jordan holmes
It's horrific.
dan friesen
Even if you disagree with these people, even if you have a fundamental difference in, I mean, even, you know, as far as it could be tenable, the difference in ideas about reality.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You know, you still want...
jordan holmes
I just don't want you to die.
Why is this hard?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Alex, his big thing here is that they're going to read your text messages, right?
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And so in order to strengthen this, he needs to harken back to when he was kicked off Facebook.
At the time, there was an interview that Oliver Darcy did, I think on CNN.
And they're discussing him being kicked off.
Alex was kicked off Instagram and Facebook, because they were both owned by the same company.
And at the time, there was some question if Alex was going to be kicked off WhatsApp, because that was also owned by Facebook.
And Oliver Darcy said they didn't know if he had an account.
So Alex plays that clip, but greatly exaggerates what he's saying.
alex jones
And here they are, almost two years ago, talking about what it's really all about.
Silencing their number one enemy who's aware of their criminal activity because if everybody ever figures out that what I'm telling you is their real plan, not my opinion, it's game over.
They're taking you to a hellish dystopia.
Here's CNN from two years ago.
unidentified
We'll be banning Alex Jones and Infowars from not only their main platform, Facebook, but also from Instagram.
I checked in also to see if these people would be banned from WhatsApp, which is also owned by Facebook.
And a spokesperson cannot say immediately because it's, I guess, unclear whether some of these people have a WhatsApp account.
alex jones
Yeah, you can't let people have private text message accounts.
I mean, what's next?
Are they allowed to even have a house or children?
Maybe own a gun?
I mean, next they're going to want to be able to rally or demonstrate.
You can't do that.
I mean, that'll overturn the regime.
dan friesen
Maybe you couldn't buy a house on Facebook.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's another whole section of the internet.
You can find all kinds of stuff out there.
dan friesen
There's also other ways to text.
jordan holmes
You could use your phone.
dan friesen
Also, I don't know if Alex did have a WhatsApp account.
I don't know.
Like, this conversation is stupid.
jordan holmes
Don't care.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's completely misrepresenting this.
It has nothing to do with, like, oh, this guy can't privately text people.
And, you know, I think he realizes that, like, that clip is not as damning as I remember it being.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I have built it up by repeating the story over and over again to myself that it says something far more damning than it does.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think this is Alex's attempt to save it.
alex jones
And there's a whole other one.
We can't find the clip with him with Brian Stelter where they talk about, yeah, Bolsonaro got elected with text messages.
Yeah, Alex Jones is getting around us.
His fans are spreading the word that he's still on air via text message.
We've just got to get in those text messages.
We just, you know, you're right, Brian Stelter says, Oliver.
We've just got to get in that private email and those text messages.
Yeah, we're the good guys.
We can't let those dirty Americans talk.
Yeah, we got to shut them up right now.
Don't worry, we will, though.
They're the bad guys.
dan friesen
It's a damn shame you can't find that clip.
jordan holmes
I feel like after a certain length of time listening to this show on the regular, eventually you would go, It is strange that they can never find the clip that says what Alex says the clip says.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's weird.
jordan holmes
But they play the clip that doesn't say what Alex...
They can find the clips that don't say what Alex says.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
But they can't find the clips that do say what Alex says.
dan friesen
They typically don't.
jordan holmes
It's weird.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's almost suspicious, I would say.
dan friesen
Or the clips that they do find are almost always desperately crying out for context.
jordan holmes
Yes, yes.
The clips they can find are like, ah, ah!
And then you're like, ah, see, caught ya.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
So Alex has made it clear that I'm going to get into some stuff coming up.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
Coming up.
unidentified
Getting real.
jordan holmes
Getting real.
dan friesen
And, yeah.
You know what's going to happen in America?
jordan holmes
Everybody's going to die.
dan friesen
Well, probably.
But only if InfoWars goes away.
alex jones
I intend it not in the next segment.
Start of the next hour.
To explain exactly how they're going to close the net, the noose around our necks, and slowly destroy us in the next few years, and just what the world's going to look like then if we don't turn this around.
And I would suggest you record this, because if we're unable to stop them very soon, the next six months to a year, we're not going to be on the air anymore, and that's going to be a major canary in the coal mine, really, for the end of this phase.
And then it's going to be a much, much darker, long, horrible future for humanity.
I've really tried to warn everybody as best I could.
I've done the research.
I've had the experts on.
I've studied the globalists.
And this is a forced, dystopic takeover.
dan friesen
I've got a recording.
Also, it's so funny to me that Alex is pretending he has any room left to claim that his enemies are going to close some metaphorical noose in the next few years.
Like six months ago, back when he was piling around with David Icke and trying to see if there was money to be made and just denying that COVID even existed, Alex became enamored with a metaphor that Icke would use regularly.
Icke would describe a room.
It's a bad room.
You don't want to be in that room.
It's like an interrogation room or like a torture chamber, right?
jordan holmes
That's a scary room.
dan friesen
Somehow, the globalists lure you into the room, which seems safe because the door is open.
You can always get out.
You can run away.
According to David Icke, it's through the release of a completely made-up virus.
And I guess for Alex, he's somewhere close to that.
but it's a little less absurd on its face.
But that's how they get you in the room.
And once they get you in there, the door closes in your trap.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
dan friesen
This metaphor serves exactly the same purpose as the articulation that Alex is deploying with the closing of the noose.
For a very long stretch, Alex would consistently repeat David Icke's metaphor about the door being closed now and how we're stuck in the room with the globalist There's just zero credibility in him playing this game now with slightly different words.
Like, did we find a way out of the metaphorical room only to end up in a noose?
Chocolate noose in the room.
What's happening?
jordan holmes
Well, what happens is you go in the room.
They lure you in because the room is filled with chocolate.
All kinds of good chocolates.
All kinds of bonbons.
They close the door behind you.
Boom.
What pops out of the two-way mirror?
Raptor.
And we know what they do to you if you got fucking chocolate, man.
It's all over.
dan friesen
Chocolate noose.
jordan holmes
Chocolate noose.
Chocolate moose.
No, no, no.
It's good.
dan friesen
It wasn't great.
jordan holmes
But it got me.
dan friesen
Thanks.
So, Alex makes a claim in this next clip that he cannot back up.
alex jones
You understand crime has literally doubled and tripled and quadrupled all over the world.
This isn't a zombie apocalypse movie.
This is the controlled demolition of the planet.
dan friesen
Please substantiate that claim.
Please.
Crime has doubled, tripled, and quadrupled all over the planet.
Please.
Where's that data coming from?
How do you define crime?
What is going on here?
This is a meaningless...
You know, it's just, you know, those basic questions are things that he should be addressing, and unless they are, the listener should just feel free to just ignore this kind of shit, because it's him just talking nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know if we can live in 2021 now and listen, I mean, read and watch all of these people redo the fucking late 80s with super predators and not immediately go like, oh, this is all massively racist.
This is horrific.
All of this like, oh, crime is getting out of control shit, despite the fact that it's been lower than it has been since the fucking 60s or whatever.
There's no way you can't see that as like, we're trying to get more black people in jail.
We're running low on firefighting slaves.
Like, that's fucked up.
dan friesen
So, Alex has got some plans for dinner.
I wish that wasn't how I was going to set up this clip.
Alex has dinner plans.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So this morning...
I've got my parents coming over for dinner tonight, and they're smart, but I'm just going to tell them, like, all bets are off, and we need to have a discussion about how we protect ourselves at this point.
Because we tried to stop the New World Order takeover.
We tried to stop Operation Lockstep.
We tried to stop the initiation of this.
They did it anyways.
dan friesen
I would give anything to be there for that dinner.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would watch that.
I would watch that for sure.
That would be way more exciting than my dinner with Andre, for sure.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
I liked my dinner with Andre, but this is the shit right here.
This is like the Fast and Furious version of my dinner with Andre.
dan friesen
I don't believe that this conversation happened.
alex jones
No.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
Dad, look.
All bets are off.
We gotta...
We gotta survive.
Alright, son.
unidentified
Whatever the fuck.
jordan holmes
Are we ordering pizza tonight, or what?
What's happening?
dan friesen
Just have another beer.
jordan holmes
Just let's go.
dan friesen
So, dude, this is where things get very interesting for me.
So, we've got a situation on our hands right now.
Yes.
And, you know, the globalists, they plan to do all this stuff.
Of course they do.
Everything that's happening is planned.
But the timeline...
jordan holmes
Oh, is it five years behind?
alex jones
We tried to stop the initiation of this.
They did it anyways.
And I'll explain coming up, start of the next hour, why.
But just to give you a little prelude, they had to because we exposed their long-term strategic plan.
They were always going to do what they're doing now.
They were planning to launch it around 2030 instead of now.
jordan holmes
Ah, ten years behind!
alex jones
Because we're taking back all these countries around the world, they went ahead and accelerated their program.
And so they're all in.
They're committed.
And they don't care now.
dan friesen
Yeah, as soon as I heard that, one balloon fell from the roof.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
From the ceiling.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
They're ten years behind.
jordan holmes
Ten years behind.
dan friesen
Like just a sad tuba marching through my apartment.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
It started playing episodes from us in 2017, in 2015, in 2009.
dan friesen
Ten years behind, man.
jordan holmes
In 2003.
They're ten years behind.
They're always ten years behind.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
And I'll tell you why coming up after the break.
dan friesen
Well, it's because Alex has exposed their...
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
Or something over the last 30 years.
jordan holmes
I mean, it doesn't seem like he's pushed them back any further than 10 years behind.
It's kind of been more a status quo thing.
dan friesen
He's fighting the fucking devil!
unidentified
Devil's...
dan friesen
Devil does not care about 10 years.
jordan holmes
No, devil's late!
The devil has existed for 10,000 years and less than one-tenth of one percent of that.
dan friesen
I just imagine the devil looking at his watch and, like, tapping his hoof.
Like, pissed off.
So silly.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Anyway, this silliness turns really scary in this next clip.
alex jones
That's what you've got to understand.
They're not going to stop.
And I want to just go ahead and get this out now.
They always plan to release bioweapons if we tried to overthrow them.
They always plan to use race-specific weapons.
jordan holmes
You did.
alex jones
If any type of populist or Christian group or nationalist group ever got control of enough countries to challenge their world government plan.
And they were always planning the depopulation regardless later once they thought they had us under their thumb and can do it in an orderly fashion.
but they will do it in a disorderly fashion in an attempt to maintain control so they're going to kill you one way or the other they're going to murder you and your family one way or another it's their stated plan okay the question is are you going to let them do it on their timetable in 10 years and succeed or you'll make them do it next year or maybe next month this is one of the more fucked up things i think i've ever heard alex suggest and i mean that sincerely because ultimately there's no arch team of villains that are being antagonized by his actions nope i find of challenging to even come up
unidentified
with the right words to condemn this because honestly You're about to be murdered in ten years or you can die fighting now.
dan friesen
I know that we've heard Alex discuss how the globalists prefer an orderly killing of everyone, but Alex and his friends are screwed because the globalists have a plan B, which is to kill everyone off.
With super bioweapons.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
What I haven't heard Alex advocate is that his audience should engage in actions that they would think would escalate things towards Plan B coming into play.
That is a bizarre and terrifying version of fantasy-based accelerationism.
There is no group that's threatening to kill off the public in ten years, or possibly a year or a month.
That's a creation of Alex's inability or unwillingness to read, combined with his intense greed and his psychotic worldview.
No actions that Alex's audience takes can make it any more or less likely that a worldwide bio-attack kill-off is gonna happen, because that's just a paranoid fantasy that Alex uses to make money.
But people are real, and the actions that his audience could take in an attempt to disrupt the globalist's supposed plan to kill everyone in an orderly fashion in ten years could have severe implications for the general public.
I'm somewhat comforted by how ineffectual and inactive Alex's audience seems to be, but even so, this kind of rhetoric is completely unacceptable, and I think it's even a departure from the norm for Alex.
jordan holmes
No, that's crazy.
dan friesen
Alex has introduced the idea that the globalists have a plan that is bent on depopulation.
He also introduced the idea that the listeners of his show are as good as dead already.
What I haven't really ever heard him do is what he's doing in this clip, which is combining those two ideas into what seems to be an appeal I don't even have the words.
It's horrifying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, there's not even like a veiled...
Politically or anything like that.
It's, hey, they're coming to murder you.
You have the choice to sit there for ten years and then die, or you can fight and die now.
So the only thing that you would think if you were in his audience is it's time to fucking kill people.
dan friesen
Well, and the two options are you can wait around and be killed in the orderly fashion in ten years, or you can do something to force the globalists' hand to do it now, but we're all going to be dead no matter what.
jordan holmes
It's almost like, don't you want to take them down with you?
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
You know, like, hey, the billionaires are trying to escape and kill us all, and then they'll be fine.
What if, hey, at least we're going to take out ten of them?
dan friesen
And you know who gets hurt by that?
You and me.
Not you and me, literally, but everyone.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Just people get hurt by that.
jordan holmes
Everyone who's trying to exist in our reality.
The real one.
dan friesen
Yeah, like attacks on the federal building.
Like the Oklahoma City bombing.
That destroyed a community.
Or traumatized a community.
Killed people.
Just people.
I'm not saying that that's what's going to happen, but this kind of rhetoric leads in that direction.
And I don't see how this kind of talk can possibly be directed towards Awareness campaigns.
Or, like, let's get a law passed.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, the reality is, after the 6th, and nobody who was at fault for it took any punishment, or...
I mean, it doesn't even seem like people are caring anymore.
Why wouldn't you keep doing this?
It didn't work last time, but nobody's going to stop you from doing it again.
dan friesen
I saw some pictures of the 6th again.
I hadn't seen some in a while.
I was like, wow, holy shit.
Even I have settled into a place of like, that happened, and some of the images that I have...
I don't want to move on, but some of it is like...
jordan holmes
No, that's immediate shit.
Nothing happened.
There are shit tons of people in Congress still.
Can you imagine going to work every day and knowing through any kind of intelligence report that you have access to that that guy across the fucking hall from you was ready to murder you?
dan friesen
Be tough.
jordan holmes
How do you go to work?
It would be tough.
dan friesen
So Alex has it easy going to work, because he just gets to say whatever the fuck he wants, and it doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
And nobody's going to hold him accountable.
alex jones
We're going to beat him later.
We're going to dig him out of their armored redoubts, we're going to hunt him down, okay?
But I'm just telling you, I'm probably obviously not going to be there, that's okay.
I'm expending my full force against them now.
And I'm not going to pull punches, I'm not going to mention words here.
Because you know what's going to happen.
I'm not stupid, you're not either.
You know as all this happens that I'm going to go from credible to ultra-credible and allow me to be walking around very soon.
But that's okay.
Because I've lived a life of resistance and I can stand before God and say, I want to know you.
I want to be a good spirit.
dan friesen
So Alex is essentially predicting his own holy martyrdom.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And this is just...
Fucking mess.
jordan holmes
I will go from being trustworthy to being your sacrosanct messiah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All that I say will be true.
All that I say will be accepted by the universe as reality itself.
dan friesen
I thought this was about the Federal Reserve, man.
jordan holmes
Ah, the Federal Reserve.
They must have forgotten that I am the Messiah.
I'm feeling like there's grandiosity on today's episode that we haven't seen quite.
This is intense.
dan friesen
Some of it is very terrifying.
jordan holmes
He's enemy number one.
If InfoWars goes down, that's the canary in the coal mine where you know it's all going down.
Fucking truth-telling messiah now.
Like, this is delusions.
dan friesen
Maybe not the messiah, but like a John the Baptist type.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
So yeah, he's been right about everything.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
alex jones
We're at the point where I told you everything that's happened up until now, years before, exactly as it would happen, so I'll do a study of them.
We're not going to be here next time, you understand, to tell you once this goes through.
Your wife, your children, you are dead.
You're dead.
You understand?
They're going to kill you.
And I can explain how they've already done it.
Half the countrymen that have taken this shot aren't going to be here in a couple years.
Which is why, again, they're not going to let us organize against that.
Before they figure out they're all dead, they're going to hit us with something much bigger.
So I'm just telling you, it's all over.
Almost every FBI agent, almost every school teacher, almost every auto mechanic farmer listening to me, you're all dead.
They're coming to kill you, period.
They've already killed half the country.
We have been slaughtered.
We have been murdered.
unidentified
In the warehouse.
You need to get a new forklift.
jordan holmes
You can...
dan friesen
Yeah, this show, man.
jordan holmes
That is a juxtaposition.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's tough.
jordan holmes
That is difficult.
dan friesen
All of you listening are dead.
You're fucking dead.
But do you need a new forklift?
jordan holmes
Does...
I understand the worship of capitalism, but do they not see how fucking parodic it is to go from you're all dead, all of you, farmers, specifically farmers!
dan friesen
FBI agents.
jordan holmes
You're fucking dead!
You're all dead!
And if you need a new tractor coming up next, you're like, oh my god, we can't do this.
We can't do this.
dan friesen
No, it's parody.
It's parody, but the...
The real messaging of it is something that is so dangerous that it can't be dealt with as just like, ha ha ha.
Even though in a fake reality, like in a movie, that kind of side-by-side is hilarious.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, it's incredible.
But it's...
It's like, look, cult leaders have to sell their cults their own shit.
You know, they have to have their own books.
They have to have their own shit.
dan friesen
Their own forklifts.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is like if you fucking had a cult leader who had a goddamn Nike patch on his...
Like, he's a fucking soccer player.
Like, he's got fucking...
Yeah, no.
I mean, it's nuts.
It's nuts.
dan friesen
So Alex wants...
He wants to get into the intricacies of the plan, right?
Does he?
Probably not.
jordan holmes
I doubt it.
alex jones
I've said I'm going to have to master plan, and I've done it to a certain extent, but I really want to go through the intricacies of this so that you understand that I'm not blowing smoke at you.
And I know you know that, but I mean...
jordan holmes
Do I?
alex jones
I don't want to say these things, and it hurts me really bad to say these things.
And I'll tell you why it hurts me.
I don't like admitting it's real to myself, and I want to explain something to you.
When I put out headlines like the globalists must be arrested, their system dismantled now, our billions will die, that moves it one second closer on the clock for them to smash me flatter than a pancake.
And I'm a tough guy.
I got a lot of courage.
I'm not going to back down.
But I don't enjoy messing with these people.
dan friesen
I think you do.
But let me translate this.
Putting out a headline that's such a transparently desperate attempt to grab attention puts Alex one step closer to not having any sensationalism cards left to play.
Yeah.
unidentified
If his insistence that you do what he says now or billions will die doesn't move the needle, how much louder can he possibly scream that the sky is falling?
dan friesen
If I were him, I really wouldn't be too concerned about it.
If there's one thing that the InfoWars audience is good at, it's being distracted by shiny new things to be afraid of.
And I don't think it'll be that big of a concern.
Although, the swing that we're in right now is a pretty protracted, pretty severe, pretty long one.
In terms of his career, walking this back might be hard.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, if it brings them one second to taking him down every time he says that, he's got a lot of seconds.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
He has got an insane amount of seconds.
Over the past 27 years, I have not heard him not say that one time.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're 10 years late to squash him.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
unidentified
They are way behind.
dan friesen
Jordan, I regret that it's come to this.
But, unfortunately, it's time to discuss the Rainbow Dildo Butt Monkey.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
alex jones
You know, yesterday, somewhere here in my stack, I covered the Rainbow Dildo Butt Monkey.
And I saw comments and things and people thinking I made that up.
I didn't read half of it.
The man had a fake penis on with a fake butt naked with a fake vagina hanging down like a turkey gobbler and fake women's breast.
I wouldn't even show it on air.
And little kids came up and sat on the dildo at the library.
So, you see, it's worse than what I just told you.
jordan holmes
You want me to show it to you?
alex jones
Our TV stations will take us off.
dan friesen
I regret to inform you that the time has come to discuss Rainbow Dildo Butt Monkey.
jordan holmes
I just...
Don't want to live on this planet anymore, Dan.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Rainbow, dildo, butt.
Monkey.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, I was listening to this episode, and I hear him saying some of the more dangerous, extreme things that I've ever heard, and then a couple minutes later, he's talking about rainbow dildo butt monkey.
jordan holmes
Jimmy James!
dan friesen
It really does.
jordan holmes
Macho business donkey wrestler.
It's exactly that.
dan friesen
It has that translated and retranslated kind of vibe.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So this was about an event that happened at Good May's Library in London, which did appear to include what you might unfortunately call a rainbow dildo butt monkey.
unidentified
*laughs * I am not an adult!
jordan holmes
I'm not an adult.
dan friesen
This was part of a carnival act put on by a group called Mandinga Arts Group.
And they do a thing called monkey business, where some of the members dress up as brightly colored monkeys with plastic butts and, I regret to inform you, fake penises.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This appears to be a situation where this art group had an act that they did, and they got booked for a gig that maybe they should not have been booked for.
The libraries of Ants are booked by a local charity called Vision RCL, and it appears that...
Where the real breakdown happened?
They booked what could be argued as a reputable arts group to do a performance for an event, and then they showed up with some pretty fucked up costumes, considering the audience.
Everyone is up in arms about this, and there's internal investigations open into how it ended up happening, but suffice it to say that Alex is telling a completely fabricated version of this story to outrage the audience.
There's no indication that I can tell from any of the articles that I've read about this incident that any of the monkeys had contact with children, let alone what Alex is describing.
This is just his grotesque imagination, trying to push the listener's button so he can override their rational minds and get them into a purely reactive state.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a real bummer for them.
I mean, I've been booked for a show before by somebody who's like, man, you're really funny, we really like you, this is gonna go great, you're gonna be great for this show, and you get there, and then they're like, okay, so, it's a church youth group, and you have to work clean, and you've gotta do six and a half hours.
And you're like, um...
No!
Just no!
Just no!
Goodbye!
dan friesen
There was one time that, I don't remember where it was, but it was a ways out of town.
It was at least an hour away.
Me and Nick Rowley, comedian Nick Rowley, got booked for a gig.
Neither of us very clean comedians at all.
And when we got there, it was like, alright, you're doing half an hour, or you're doing 15. We had 45 combined.
And it was just like, oh yeah, no, keep it clean.
Uh, no.
jordan holmes
No fuck?
Can't say fuck?
dan friesen
So we were panicked, and like, what do we do?
And so I made a bet that I could talk about the chicken fingers that were on the menu for the first five minutes.
jordan holmes
See, now that's what comics have to do in those situations.
Every comic has had that story where they're at a show and they're like, well, we gotta find a way to make this fun for us.
That's what's gonna happen here because it's not gonna be fun for them.
dan friesen
I was like, Nick, give me a light at five.
Let's see if I can do it.
I talked about everything I could think of about the chicken fingers.
jordan holmes
The breading.
dan friesen
And finally I ran out.
Of things to say.
I was like, I don't know.
I'm just gonna start telling jokes.
I guess I can't do five on this.
And so, like, my first joke started with asking the audience if they have jobs.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so, like, anybody out there got jobs?
I'm like, yeah.
I'm like, I'll tell you what, I eat those chicken fingers like it's my job.
unidentified
And then I saw the light, and I'm like, yes!
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
Nailed it!
jordan holmes
Right at the buzzer!
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Right at the buzzer!
unidentified
Clutch.
jordan holmes
Like, Antetokounmpo blocking an alley-oop, just right there at the buzzer.
dan friesen
Yeah, but that's the kind of thing on a show you should not be booked to do.
Oh, another time, when I first moved to the city, I was trying to find gigs on, like, Craigslist.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Just trying to find anything.
jordan holmes
Back in the day.
dan friesen
People would, like, have any kind of stage time.
And I found this person who did a show that was at, like, an art gallery.
And so I went and I did this show, and it was kind of fun.
You know, there was, you know, not too many people there, but it was in...
A little art installation space.
And, you know, no microphones, no nothing.
It was a good time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This person booked me for another thing, and I showed up to it, and, like, it was all kids.
It was like...
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It was like at a kids' art fair.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
And I just told him when I got there, I was like, there's literally no way I'm going up on stage and doing any jokes.
There's just no way.
jordan holmes
I think it might be a crime.
It might be.
dan friesen
And so I had to work out some sort of a bit where I would panic and run off stage.
It was just a way to make a little skit out of it.
These kids don't know what's funny.
No, they've got no clue.
I feel like maybe there should have been some kind of an audible call in terms of the rainbow dildo butt monkey.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
But unfortunately...
jordan holmes
That's, but that's so many times, like, that's the Booker, like, there's so many times, like, I've done a college show before where the Booker is, like, some 19-year-old kid, and they're like, we're so excited, we've got, like...
This is going to be so much fun.
This is so cool.
And then you get into a nowhere fucking cafeteria without a mic or anything, and they're like, okay, here are all the things that the school says you're not allowed to talk about.
And you're like, you could have sent me an email, and I would have said no.
dan friesen
Yeah, in terms of events organizing, there's oftentimes miscommunications that happen between parties, and they can easily see this being something along those lines.
Totally.
And, uh, I don't know.
I, I do agree on the most basic level that this costume was inappropriate.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, totally, totally, totally!
dan friesen
But I don't, uh, I don't think it has anything to do with the, uh, the devil.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Uh, which Alex might think.
jordan holmes
Nope, nope.
dan friesen
Um, so he talks about this a bit, uh, but he also tells a story.
And this story I actually found really fascinating.
alex jones
This is real, folks!
But it's one thing to be knowing it's coming.
I liken it to maybe in that slow motion.
We've all been in a car wreck or we've all seen something horrible in our life where it happens and you just can't believe you're witnessing it.
I saw a Corvette driving 125 miles an hour, blow a tire and flip in a race on a highway over a lake.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
alex jones
A bridge on a lake.
It exploded and people's heads got cut off, one person's arm partway.
jordan holmes
Jesus!
alex jones
By the time I pulled over in the truck seconds after and got out, I was watching the guy's head almost completely cut off and the body was trying to get up.
And then I saw this other person's arm half cut off.
jordan holmes
And you know why it was so personal?
alex jones
It was my friends.
And I was behind them racing with them.
But we were in a truck.
And I wasn't even driving.
I wasn't even 16 yet.
I was 15. My buddy was driving.
He was 16. And they were racing.
And I remember my buddy saying, I'm not speeding.
I'm not going past 120.
So we were back from them.
But about 20 cars.
But by the time that thing blew out and then spun, And all that happened.
By the time that happened and we pulled up, it was just instantaneous.
And I got out of the car and they flipped over onto the railroad trestle right there.
And I just sat there and looked at that and I watched that.
It's the same thing.
It's like the slow motion of that Corvette spinning and all those pieces and watching those bodies fly.
And that's the slow motion.
I mean, they really just killed 20 million people.
dan friesen
So this seems like the kind of story that would make the news.
You know?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I decided I'd see if I could find any instances of drag race-related deaths of youths in Corvettes from around the years when Alex would have been the right age that he's describing.
Alex was born in 1974, so I looked at cases I could find from between 1988 and 1990.
The first case that came up was of an 18-year-old named Chris Ehler, who lived in a suburb of Dallas, so right near Rockwall, in the area, and died in a drag racing accident while driving a Corvette in what's described as a, quote, fiery crash.
This was on the night of Christmas 1989, so it's in the ballpark.
If this is who Alex is talking about, then he swung with a wild crew, since Chris's mother is currently in prison for hiring a guy to kill the woman who was sleeping with her estranged husband.
It's a pretty big murder case.
jordan holmes
Alright, alright.
dan friesen
This is actually the only case that I could find that fit the details that Alex is describing, but that doesn't actually prove that it's the one he is talking about.
Whatever the case is, he's either making this story up or he's describing a life experience that would leave such deep scars in a person that they would need tons of therapy and years of work to process what they've been through.
Seeing anyone die as a teen is an immense trauma, but seeing a friend die in a grisly fashion like what Alex described...
That would be so hard to deal with, even with appropriate help and care.
The imprint of that would be almost unfathomable.
jordan holmes
Of course there's the bias I have because we're dealing with Alex, but if anybody told me that story the way Alex told me that story, that sounds like you stole somebody else's story.
That's not yours.
I'm not saying that that story's not true.
dan friesen
There was a flatness to the way he's delivering it that doesn't feel emotionally resonant.
jordan holmes
No, it's somebody else's story.
It's one of those situations where you've seen that before, where somebody, I don't know if you've been in that experience where somebody gets caught with it, but you've been in that situation where you've been like, wow, that's a really good story, and then later on somebody's like, you know, that's not...
That's not his story.
dan friesen
It's possible that that would explain it, or just a complete detachment from the emotions that he was experiencing at the time, or it's just completely made up.
I'm not entirely sure, but it's just deep, deep trauma.
jordan holmes
That's wild.
Brutal.
dan friesen
So Alex gets into a weird headspace.
alex jones
I mean, they really just killed 20 million people.
That means all the Facebook workers, all the Twitter workers, all the YouTube workers, all of you that blocked the ivermectin and blocked the hydroxychloroquine, you helped murder all those people.
And then you helped murder the 20-something million that have starved to death on top of all the other dead people.
You did that.
And you don't even care.
Because it's modern warfare.
You get to sit back like a technocrat and turn the economy off, and all you got to do working at big tech is censor everybody talking about it, and you sit back and watch everybody die, and then you point your finger at me and call me a racist.
What the hell does that even mean?
I said I'd play the Tucker Carlson thing, and I got all this other news to hit.
And I'm going to have to take some time off.
I'm not complaining.
You know, I almost feel like my mission is complete.
I really do.
I feel like we're here now, and if people don't do anything about it, it's not that I don't want to keep working, I don't want to keep talking, I just at a certain point...
Why do I have to go find the Politico article saying we're spying on all your text messages and they're going to control them and make a big deal about it?
Why?
dan friesen
Because it's your fucking job.
jordan holmes
It's your fucking job!
dan friesen
That's why.
jordan holmes
What do you mean, why?
What do you mean, why?
Why do I have to go do this stuff?
dan friesen
Why do I have to provide information in the information war?
alex jones
Wow.
dan friesen
Wow.
That's a guy who does not give a fuck.
jordan holmes
That's a meltdown on stage right there.
That's me standing up there just being like, why do I have to tell you people jokes?
You guys can't tell each other jokes?
dan friesen
I mean, look, I've had moments.
Dark moments where I've thought, this is so stupid that I'm chasing down this thread that Alex is talking about.
Why do I have to read this thing or whatever?
But never once have I been like, ah, why does it fall to me to do the thing I've decided to do?
jordan holmes
To do the thing that you made.
dan friesen
It can be frustrating sometimes.
jordan holmes
This is not just your job either.
It's your entire creation.
It's a uniform vision created by one man.
Who is now bitching about why he has to do it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I do think that there's something to be said for, like, the idea that his mission is done.
And when I hear that, I think, like, this is kind of him just recognizing that there's nowhere else he can take incitement.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, he's already saying that billions are going to die.
dan friesen
It's reached the point where it's like, well, if people aren't shooting now, I can't do anything else without getting myself in actual, like, legal prison trouble.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Not civil.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This would be criminal.
jordan holmes
I helped kick the sixth off.
Nobody got in any trouble.
So I'm going to try and kick off the next one.
And if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
What am I going to do?
Find more articles in Politico?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Exactly.
I want the second one to happen.
I'm going to try and make it happen.
And if it doesn't, then that's my mission.
dan friesen
What a dick.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
The ADL that's called for my arrest in the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Is now in everybody's text messages, I told you that, running it all, spying on you.
And they're announcing they're not going to let you send messages that they don't agree with.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
And they're all like hunchback, ugly, weird, neurotic middle patients.
Because that's who they are.
A normal person would not want to read everybody's text messages.
A normal person would not even imagine something like that.
But these are people that came up with...
Rainbow dildo butt monkey man who I can't even show you an image of.
The children come to the library and sit in his lap, funded by the UK government.
It's not enough to call it Drag Queen Storytime.
Some demon creature dressed like a clown.
jordan holmes
I don't think clowns dress like that.
alex jones
A huge fake butt, vagina, and penis hanging down.
And then women bring their children to them.
I mean, that's what runs the thing.
That's what it is.
It wants to tear you limb from limb.
It is a psychotic predator.
It is the gates of hell opened, demons released, to have their way with us, period.
And we conjured it by our acquiescence.
We opened the gates of hell.
We turned Satan loose.
And now, we're all gonna die.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
That's a dope speech.
unidentified
It's just...
jordan holmes
That's Event Horizon?
That is the same speech from Event Horizon.
dan friesen
I don't think that Rainbow Dildo Butt Monkey wants to tear you limb from limb.
I think it's a carnival act that was poorly booked.
I think that's what it was.
jordan holmes
I don't understand the level of douchebag and whiny, like, oversensitive lunatic you have to be to not immediately laugh at Rainbow Dildo Butt Monkey.
Look, Tipper Gore would be like, listen, Rainbow Dildo Bot Monkey is funny.
I'm sorry.
It's not my fault.
Look, I don't like porn, but Rainbow Dildo Bot Monkey is funny.
dan friesen
Yeah, me and Luke Skywalker can agree on this, and I'm not talking about the Star Wars character.
I'm talking about Uncle Luke.
So fucking awesome that that dude from 2 Live Crew tried to call himself Luke Skywalker.
jordan holmes
That was a big swing.
That was a big swing.
dan friesen
Swing of the saber.
jordan holmes
He wasn't going to hit it.
He wasn't going to connect with that one, but it was worth trying.
It was worth trying.
dan friesen
Luke Skywalker.
Get the fuck out of here.
Also, I was waiting for Alex to try and conflate this with Drag Queen Storytime, and it took him this long to do that.
unidentified
It took him a while, yeah.
dan friesen
But this event had nothing to do with even that at all.
It's just he's...
He's just trying to get in where he can.
jordan holmes
Anybody dressed differently around kids is an excuse for me to call somebody a pedophile.
dan friesen
Right.
And they want to tear your limb from limb.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Or something.
unidentified
We have opened the gates of hell!
And now we're all gonna die!
jordan holmes
That's fun.
See, now that's a Nicolas Cage movie right there.
dan friesen
It's a Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes, sir.
dan friesen
Star Wars, Luke Skywalker, science fiction.
jordan holmes
Best.
dan friesen
What's your favorite science fiction TV show?
jordan holmes
My favorite science fiction TV show.
That's a good question.
You could say something classic like Firefly.
You could do one of those.
But I don't think I'm going to do that.
You could go with one of the newer stuff like Mandalorian.
Mandalorian's great.
I'm going to go with Mandalorian just because Luke Skywalker does show up.
Spoiler!
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
I have not yet watched The Mandalorian.
Too much Survivor to get through.
jordan holmes
Yeah, naturally.
dan friesen
We'll get there eventually.
jordan holmes
The Survivororian.
dan friesen
I would say that mine is probably The X-Files.
I have a lot of fond memories of watching that with my parents.
jordan holmes
Not gonna go with Lost?
dan friesen
Nah.
The do is off the lily a little bit.
jordan holmes
You've soured on Lost a little bit.
dan friesen
I watched that very long video essay on YouTube.
jordan holmes
That's right.
dan friesen
That convinced me that the end was bad.
jordan holmes
You did have a sour face that day.
You were like, I agree with him!
dan friesen
I've made peace with it, but yeah, I was convinced that the ending wasn't as good as I thought it was.
But, no, I mean, I still, like, lost for what it was.
But I watched The X-Files growing up.
That and Star Trek The Next Generation.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
With, like, the two family shows.
jordan holmes
Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
We would watch, and I was terrified of The X-Files.
jordan holmes
Picard, man.
dan friesen
Because it seemed like it could happen.
Like, a lot of the stuff could happen, and people were getting hurt by things.
jordan holmes
No, there are shadowy people smoking cigarettes all over the place.
dan friesen
And aliens could hurt you, or some sort of a monster could show up.
jordan holmes
Stuff underground all the time.
dan friesen
And I always took solace in, like, it almost never happens to a kid.
And I'm a kid.
That's true.
So, like, I'm safe.
Like, these are adults that end up getting messed up by these aliens.
jordan holmes
That's true.
There are rules of engagement between humans and aliens.
No kids.
dan friesen
That helped me a little bit.
Anyway.
The X-Files was created by Chris Carter, and apparently he's a big fan of Alex, and he's...
Oh, boy.
alex jones
But Chris Carter is a listener, and Chris Carter said some nice things about us.
We've talked to Chris a little bit.
And Chris admitted the CIA came to him and told him what to say in a lot of these episodes.
He wasn't sure why.
He was asking me why.
But it says, predictive programming...
Injection with spike protein used to destroy people's immune systems and slowly kill them with a soft-kill weapon.
1994, November 11th episode.
jordan holmes
Why didn't they do it before now?
dan friesen
This is just Alex wrinkling the same piece of paper.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm seeing it.
unidentified
I'm seeing it in my mind's eye.
alex jones
Probably the CIA want that out then.
But they're doing it.
28 years later.
27 years later.
unidentified
28 years later.
alex jones
It's not a big question, isn't it?
unidentified
It's not a big question, isn't it?
alex jones
Because there's a galactic rule that they gotta post.
In the newspaper, on TV, in a public place, they've got a writer on the wall.
jordan holmes
What about before writing?
alex jones
Ezekiel, she's the handwriting on the wall.
What's going to be done so you've got a chance to change your future?
Like when you're going to condemn a building or when you're going to take somebody's property they haven't paid property taxes on, you've got to, for a year or longer, depending on local law, run an ad every month saying, I'm going to take this property!
dan friesen
Yeah, it's like in Hitchhiker's Guide.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would also say that if this was something that was revealed in an X-Files episode in 1994, you guys dropped the ball on warning us.
jordan holmes
They did a really bad job.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They did a really bad job.
dan friesen
How did you not see through this, Alex?
jordan holmes
Seems like it would have taken you less than 30 years.
dan friesen
Because it's a random plot from an X-Files episode of which there were hundreds.
jordan holmes
I bet you could have even gone to the Twilight Zone for a plot very similar to that.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Chris Carter didn't say the things Alex is saying.
This didn't even have to do with the X-Files.
It was a claim that was made by Dean Haglund, one of the stars of the X-Files spinoff The Lone Gunman.
Part of the pilot episode of that show involved plot elements that were somewhat similar to the events of 9-11, but aired prior to 9-11, and Haglund used this to make a bit of a foray into the 9-11 conspiracy world, heavily implying that the powers that be injected plots into their show.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
None of this necessarily proves anything.
Also, if the globalists really felt like they needed to make a public post of their plans, why would they choose to do it in the spinoff show?
Wouldn't more people see it if they did it on the X-Files?
Like, if it satisfies the intergalactic law to put some predictive programming on pilots of spinoff shows, then why not just do it as an episode of some dogshit show no one watches on the depths of deep cable?
jordan holmes
Is there a ratings limit in this galactic rule?
dan friesen
I mean, this is something I would like to actually discuss.
Because, like...
Yeah.
You know, the thing in the Hitchhiker's Guide is, like, they had the post of the destruction of Earth somewhere where you'd never see it.
jordan holmes
You have to go into the office building, you have to go down three flights of stairs, and it was posted last week.
It was posted!
You could have gone there at any time, it's your own fault.
dan friesen
Right, so, like, why couldn't they reveal that 9-11 was gonna happen in some, like...
Like some telenovela that no one watches in Spanish.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, you could have learned Spanish.
jordan holmes
You could have watched it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It seems bizarre.
jordan holmes
Also, after learning as much as I can about this Haiti situation, I think the CIA is 100% useless because it appears that some random doctor in Florida can just hire a hit team and then successfully murder a president?
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
The CIA is useless.
dan friesen
Huh.
I need to dig into that story a little bit more.
jordan holmes
I'm trying to figure out how that can't possibly be true.
dan friesen
I'm not really hearing much from Alex on this episode about it.
jordan holmes
It seems crazy to me.
dan friesen
So, there are some similarities between the plot of that episode of The Lone Gunman and the events of 9-11, but there are also major differences that are just ignored by Alex.
Like, for instance, in the show, the attack is a single airplane and it's remote-controlled.
The Lone Gunman have to gain control of the remote-controlled plane and save the day, which they do, which didn't happen in the real world.
Also, there's a whole sub...
Plot about a powerful computer chip and whether or not the Lone Gunman's zine is any good.
Oh boy.
I like the Lone Gunman.
jordan holmes
You like the Lone Gunman, that's fine.
dan friesen
I thought they were pretty cool back when I was...
Watching the X-Files.
Because they were those side characters.
Everyone thinks they're crazy.
jordan holmes
I never watched the X-Files.
I just never...
It missed me by...
I think because my parents were so like, no, we can't be having this kind of...
dan friesen
There are three conspiracy theorists who are friends with Mulder.
unidentified
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Who publish a zine and are secretly in on a whole bunch of stuff.
jordan holmes
That's fantastic.
dan friesen
And they're also comic relief.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
So they were a lot of fun.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So the elements of the show's plot that are similar to the events that happened in the real world later...
...
There had been a previous attack on the World Trade Center, so that wasn't completely unheard of.
The idea of staging such an attack in order to boost weapons sales, that's a well-conceived plot, which makes sense, considering that Chris Carter and the future creator of Breaking Bad, Vince Gilligan, wrote the episode.
Also, I need to get out in front of this, just in case there's any kind of fucking shit.
The fourth episode of The Lone Gunman was written by someone named Colin Friesen, and as far as I know, I don't have any relatives named Colin.
It is spelled the same.
I don't know Colin Friesen.
jordan holmes
I gotcha.
dan friesen
Okay.
The episode of The X-Files that Alex is pretending was about the COVID vaccine is titled One Breath.
It's episode number eight of season two.
Essentially, Scully is hospitalized and Mulder enlists the lone gunman to help him figure out what's up.
They get her medical charts and find there's protein chains that appear to have been part of an experimental tracking system, but they're inactive, so they've become toxic inside her.
She doesn't die, and it's not a soft kill weapon.
Alex is just cherry-picking details from pop culture shows to try and create the impression that he wants, but it's all bullshit.
Also, he's creating a very inaccurate perception.
Yeah, that's not good.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
Tertiary characters.
dan friesen
They were not in that many episodes.
I mean, they were...
In a few, sure.
jordan holmes
They got guest starring credits in the...
Maybe With.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They got With.
With Dean Haglund.
They did not get an ampersand at the end.
dan friesen
I will say that Dean Haglund did a really smart thing, and that is that I remember his name.
I don't remember the other two guys who were the lone gunmen.
And I think I liked the other guys better.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But Dean Haglund is a very memorable name.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just the syllables, the ha...
You know, that's just...
dan friesen
And he was the one who had, like, long blonde hair.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He was distinctive.
dan friesen
But they all had kind of a distinctive look.
One clean cut, one sort of frumpy, one long-haired.
Anyway.
I don't know.
I don't think the X-Files predicted COVID vaccines.
jordan holmes
I'm so bummed out.
dan friesen
Also, the clip that Alex plays, I was expecting they would at least say spike protein.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
They do not.
jordan holmes
Nothing.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
I was very disappointed by this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it bums me out so hard, all of that kind of predictive programming stuff, or somebody being like, the CIA came to me and told me what was going to happen with the World Trade Center, and then after a decade of just believing shit that people told me about it, I read up on it, no, he attacked it before, he said why, and then he did it again.
It was very simple.
There were not conspiracies.
There's not the CIA involved.
This was the whole point.
How did I not know the very obvious truth?
You know?
It's infuriating.
dan friesen
Well, because the other ideas of quote-unquote truth are far more interesting.
jordan holmes
And you can start a little war on a lie based on them.
dan friesen
So, you know, I think one of the most pressing questions in the world right now, you might think it's like climate change.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, no.
I mean, the rainforest is emitting more CO2 than it's absorbing, so...
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Real problem.
dan friesen
It's a bummer.
jordan holmes
It's a real bummer.
dan friesen
So these are some pressing issues that we have to deal with.
But I think one of the more pressing issues, even than that, is whether or not we're in a simulation.
And thankfully, I think Alex has an answer.
alex jones
And so it's a majority view by techies that we're held in some alien simulation.
This is all fake.
So maybe no one's actually listening right now.
And this is all an alien simulation.
And in the simulation, I'm the guy that knew about it, and I'm the guy that warned about it.
And finally, Joe Rogan's listening, and he's the big podcaster.
And, you know, I talk to him all the time.
And, oh, and then the other big top TV host is Tucker Carlson, and we're buddies, and we're battling the tyranny together.
And, oh, I got a call by this foreign president, and they're listening, and we're developing a plan to fight the new world order.
And I'm like, okay, is this a simulation?
Because that would be a lot better.
We're not killing everybody in Africa.
Henry Kissinger's not real.
Prince Philip's not real.
And it's all a simulation.
And that means my mother's not real.
My dad's not real.
My four children aren't real.
My wife's not real.
jordan holmes
You're getting it.
alex jones
My crew isn't real.
John over there running the boom is not real.
But John, you're real, aren't you, John?
John thinks he's real.
John thinks he's real.
jordan holmes
You stupid asshole.
alex jones
My granddaddy was real.
Because let me tell you, can you imagine being Alex Jones?
Like, I knew they were planning all this, and I saw them doing it, and now it's all happening, and I'm still on air.
And I'm just wondering, would the scientific American running headlines confirm we live in a simulation, or is that just a cop-out so people say, oh, I can't handle it, it's a simulation?
No.
The third dimension's real.
The planet's real.
God made this as a genetic, real-world, real-life simulation.
unidentified
Ah!
dan friesen
So we are in a simulation, but it's a God simulation.
jordan holmes
Cool.
Cool, cool, cool!
dan friesen
Thanks for answering that question for me, because that was a big philosophical debate I was having about whether or not existence was real.
Turns out it's not, but it's not aliens, it's God or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I think the more important point, though, is that regardless of how real or not it is, it doesn't really matter.
You're just going to keep going about your day.
dan friesen
True.
So, go for it.
And, you know, like, outside of the possibility of having telekinesis if you can break through the simulation or something.
jordan holmes
See, now that's the good shit.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And if I can ever find any evidence that anyone has ever done that or that's possible, I'll get very excited to hear that.
jordan holmes
Super.
dan friesen
Let's assume that we are into simulation.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The worst case scenario of acting as if it's not a simulation and we are in a real world where there are consequences and everyone exists and we have responsibilities towards each other.
The worst case scenario is at the end of it, you're like, boy, I was foolish for thinking that.
And that's not that bad.
jordan holmes
You know, the thought occurs to me, and I haven't really...
dan friesen
That's sort of the opposite of Pascal's wager.
jordan holmes
It is.
It is.
Pascal's non-wager.
You're going to lose or win either way.
dan friesen
Pascal's auntie.
jordan holmes
It did occur to me when you just pointed that out, that if you see through the simulation, you might get telekinetic powers or whatever, like going back through the Matrix.
Even if you weren't Neo, you could still do giant-ass jumps and shit.
You still had special powers.
It never occurred to me that I would rather...
Fuck the steak that Johnny...
dan friesen
Joey Pants?
jordan holmes
Joey Pants is talking about.
Somehow I get Johnny Leguizamo, Johnny Legs, and Joey Pants mixed up.
dan friesen
Lower bodies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
But, like, the steak and all that stuff.
No, I'm gonna stay in the Matrix because I can jump.
Across roof buildings!
Like, that's cool!
dan friesen
Yeah, but you can't jump across roof buildings unless you've been taken out of the Matrix.
Right?
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a good question.
You have to know the truth of the Matrix before you can...
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's true.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But still...
jordan holmes
Well, then take me out and put me back in.
dan friesen
All right.
So, um...
Alex, at this point, spends a bit of time taking calls, and I want to address something really fast, because I do believe that somebody who called into the show was maybe a listener of our show.
And no harm, no foul, I'm not mad at anybody, but I would like to take this opportunity to reiterate that we discourage people from calling into Alex's show and messing with him.
And the primary reason for that is that I don't believe that it is ethical.
where we go over his content if there is a possibility that we are directly affecting his content.
And I think that somebody calling in who's one of our listeners and bringing up things from our show or something, to him is too much of an incursion into his content.
And then it becomes a situation where I can't really know what is what.
I believe we were talking before the show, and I was like, we can't study him and his natural habits And one of the reasons that I felt that was kind of okay was that...
We were...
It's not totally affecting the content, just the awareness that we exist.
jordan holmes
And we already knew they were aware of our existence.
dan friesen
Sure.
The following on Twitter and what have you.
But the direct interference, I find it to be something that makes me kind of uncomfortable.
I can't make anyone behave in a certain way.
Certainly, I can't say...
Yeah, I mean...
It kind of serves...
It works across my purposes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean...
To go to Survivor.
Eventually, whenever the metagame becomes more important or as important as the game, then it's just a different thing, and it's probably going to eventually explode.
We're doing a show about him, not a show about him talking about us talking about him talking about us.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
There's a reason we didn't go over the episode where Harrison was talking about us.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
That's not something I have that much interest in.
And for the survivor metaphor, it's like, alright, Probst can stir up drama at tribal council.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because that's what he's supposed to do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But if he were on the beach being like...
jordan holmes
In one of the tribes hanging out.
Yeah.
dan friesen
That person hates you.
And then at tribal council it was like, so there's some conflict today.
jordan holmes
Oh, who's doing what?
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That would be...
Something I think would be unacceptable.
So no disrespect to the person who I believe was a listener of our show who called.
Actually, I think their call was fine, but I'm not going to play any of it on the show because I do not want to incentivize that behavior.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Now let's hear another caller.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
unidentified
So I wanted to call and basically, excuse me, it feels like we're no longer in a peaceful revolution.
It feels like we're already in a violent revolution.
alex jones
I agree.
They are assaulting us with...
Deadly vaccines with virus variants.
jordan holmes
Maybe it's just because he's telling you you're in a violent war.
alex jones
With Antifa, with open borders, with demoralization, saying we're enemies.
Yeah, yeah, we're in a war.
America's under attack.
unidentified
Absolutely, and I mean, just because bullets aren't flying doesn't mean people aren't dying.
I mean, so we are in a violent revolution already.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I mean, like, I think that this caller has accurately assessed the tone that Alex is bringing to the show at this point.
jordan holmes
He said everybody's gonna die 15 times on this show!
dan friesen
Many, many times.
jordan holmes
Many times!
And so if you call in and you're like, I feel like we're in a violent revolution, no shit, you've been listening to him tell you you're in a violent revolution!
dan friesen
You know, when you're in a foxhole, you don't want to look to your side and see Rainbow Dildo Butt Monkey.
jordan holmes
I fucking do.
You need a little levity if you're in a foxhole, you know?
dan friesen
Sure.
So, we have one last clip of a call that Alex gets, and this dude just seemed troubling to me.
alex jones
Let's talk to Brian in Michigan.
Brian, thanks for holding.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Hey, how you doing, Alex?
alex jones
Good, brother.
unidentified
Go ahead.
Can I have 90 seconds?
alex jones
Yeah, please.
unidentified
Alright, the Apocalypse of Abraham, chapter 29. If you look at that, Donald Trump makes a very good appearance, and they're just saying it could be.
Not all I'm doing is asking questions.
If he spoke the physical into existence from the spiritual, the quantum realm, that means that everything, every law that applies in the physical, our world, is from the quantum realm.
That means that you look at Isaac Newton, where every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
The same would apply with our conscious thought, right?
If we're at, right now, 5,988, because if you look at Revelation 13, 3.5 years, right?
So, Revelation 13, 5, and there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things, and blasphemies and power was given unto him to continue 40 in two months.
That would be 3.5 years.
Jesus was ministering for 3.5 years.
If you go to Revelations 20, Satan is bound, and I saw an angel come down in heaven, and the key to the bottomless pit in the great chain on his hand, he laid hold of the dragon.
Who do you think the dragon is?
The dragon's China.
The Chi-Coms are going to be coming.
Right now, if you go backwards 2,000 years, Jesus Christ is 21 years old.
In 2029, it's going to be the beginning of...
alex jones
By the way, the globalists say the beginning of humanity begins in 2029.
They say that.
That's official.
dan friesen
That's official.
I would have a difficult time being a radio host, hearing this stuff, and being like, this guy makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's troubling.
That's a struggle.
You know, somebody put out a question to a bunch of people, I think it was on, like, Gizmodo or something, like, what's the most damaging conspiracy theory?
And, like, everybody had some fairly good responses, you know, like, blah, blah, blah, the normal ones.
But when you really get down to it, man...
John of Patmos pulled out the worst conspiracy theory in the history of the world, and it's killing all of us.
dan friesen
If you think about it in terms of longevity, there may be some truth to that.
Yeah, I don't know.
Whatever conspiracy makes it so easy to accept all the rest of them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
That's the one that's the most dangerous.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Whatever one it is that has the lowest bar of bullshit.
jordan holmes
The worst one is any con man with a smile.
That's the worst conspiracy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this episode sucked, I would say.
I think that Alex's tone is a bit extreme.
jordan holmes
What would make you say that, Dan?
dan friesen
I don't like the development of the idea that you have to escalate the globalists into killing you, or else they will just kill you later.
jordan holmes
That's a new one.
dan friesen
Yeah, that to me is something I'm going to keep an eye on, because it worries me.
jordan holmes
No, when he was talking to the fucking Boogaloo Boys, he was trying to push back on less incendiary shit than that.
dan friesen
But I wonder if Alex even understands the implications of the things he's saying.
I sincerely...
We wonder.
jordan holmes
It just seems like he's having a mad day.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
He's having a bad one.
Yep.
unidentified
But anyway, LaGrange.
dan friesen
We'll be back, but until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at KnowledgeFight and at GoToBedJordan.
dan friesen
We're on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
And if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work right now.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZXClark.
I'm Daryl Rundus.
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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