Knowledge Fight #576 dissects Alex Jones’ July 9, 2021, episode, exposing his debunked COVID claim about Spring Saunders, baseless attacks on the San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus (accused of pedophilia), and demonizing transgender issues as part of a "satanic plot." He falsely ties H.R. 666 to medical record access and globalist crimes, while Dan Friesen corrects the bill’s actual purpose—a CDC center studying structural racism—with just 4% passage odds. Jones’ paranoia about armed contact tracers and his promotion of fringe sites like freeworldnews.tv highlight his reliance on unverified fearmongering, revealing how conspiracy-driven rhetoric fuels division and distrust in public health and social discourse. [Automatically generated summary]
Elizabeth Falarski slash Hasselbeck from the Australian season who I thought was great and then blah.
So I've been watching it and I think there's this interesting dynamic that goes throughout some of the early seasons that is like they start to realize that they need to make the show familiar enough.
That it's the same, but also different enough each season that it's not...
And there are people who are dicks, and Richard Hatch is a dick.
Sure.
People lie to each other, but...
Rob, on season six, he seems to take pleasure in fucking with people.
And that is kind of a character that felt a little bit like, okay, I know that a lot of other people past this point are, you know, like...
It just becomes a thing where it's like, yeah, all of my confessionals and all of my talking to the camera is just like, I lied to this guy and I love it.
So I'm a little bit worried that there is now this trend of this is how you get attention, this is how you rise above the fray, and maybe you don't win the show, but you become a character.
Yeah, you know, I wonder if that's kind of a very similar trajectory that wrestling took.
As that kayfabe started to break and everybody was...
People knew about all that stuff in the past, but then it became part of the actual...
Global watching of the show.
The watching of wrestling is now also including the metagame.
And I think the same thing happens with Survivor where it's like...
Once everybody becomes aware of it, there's that loss of everybody's like, oh, it's fake and all that stuff.
And then it builds back up again when everybody's like, well, now that I know the metagame is part of the game, and also the getting famous metagame is on top of that metagame, that's just another game.
It got boring for a while, but then they added this new, like, you have a time limit, and if you hit enough home runs, you get, like, bonus time and all that.
So the case that Alex is covering is about a person named Spring Saunders, and there's a number of problems with the way that he's reporting this story.
The first problem is that all of his primary sources, it's just limited to screen caps that someone took from Facebook posts.
That's not exactly accurate, to be honest.
InfoWars just took the story from a blog called The Empowerer, which in turn just took all their reporting from Facebook posts.
It's all good and well to take some open source information from Facebook posts.
But it's also super important to be constantly aware that anything you read might be intensely biased only telling half a story or could just be completely made up.
In this case, the woman in question does appear to have existed as there's a memorial page you can find online, but the conclusions that Alex is jumping to are completely not demonstrated by the primary sourcing.
Nothing available that's presented indicates that anyone has said that her death was proven to be from a vaccine reaction.
Nothing in the article indicates that her brain swelled until all the vessels popped, and Alex is just writing a compelling story to tell his audience.
Some of the other details here don't match up with the primary sources that Alex's article presents, but I honestly feel like bringing up specifics, it kind of feels like splitting hairs and it might come off as disrespectful to the woman who passed and her family, which I don't want to be.
My only point here is that Alex is jumping to a conclusion and he can't prove any of the things that he's reporting.
Also, if you try to find this story just by googling the words in the headline, you'll find another interesting recent story.
Another 45-year-old woman, Tricia Jones, died this week from a COVID Delta variant, having refused to get vaccinated.
Her mother told the local news, quote, she was afraid of the side effects, I think.
You hear a lot of horror stories.
I, myself, when I had the shot, it was rough, so it scared her and freaked her out.
So she didn't want to do it.
I couldn't convince her.
Also, there's an article in the BBC from April, and it discussed the incidence of people having cerebral venous sinus thrombosis after having received the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine.
This study reviewed electronic records of 81 million U.S. patients and found that the risk of this thrombosis, quote, is 8 to 10 times higher in people with COVID than those who got the vaccine.
Of course, it should be pointed out that drawing hard conclusions from this study isn't really possible, and there's review that needs to be done, but indications appear to show that people have a far greater risk of this condition that Alex is making his audience really afraid of if they get COVID than if they get vaccinated.
Now, there are a number of reasons to think that Canepa's death was not directly caused by the vaccine, even though that's how it's being reported by people like Alex.
The second reason to be suspicious is far more important, which is that there's some reporting going around from medical officials that Canepa had a chronic condition called familial autoimmune thrombocytopenia, which affects the ability of the body to create...
enough blood platelets.
It appears that this condition was known prior to vaccination, but investigators are trying to determine if it was known to the people who administer the vaccine since they probably shouldn't have given the increased risk that her condition would have put her in.
Knaepa received the vaccine at a, quote, open vaccination day.
So it remains an open question about how full of a medical history was known at the time And if there was an awareness that people should have had and ignored.
Right.
Conversely, there's also reporting that say her parents have commented that, quote, she had no disease.
I'm not sure what that comment is in response to or any of the surrounding context and finding information.
information on that has been a challenge.
This quote is the only thing that's ever cited in articles and outlets where they casually call Canepa beautiful in their headlines.
There appears to be a bit more to this story than we know at this point.
And an important thing to remember is that...
The previous story about the woman who worked at Johns Hopkins that was in America and that had to do with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, this has to do with an AstraZeneca vaccine, which is not an mRNA vaccine, and it's not used in the United States.
So he's blurring the line between and pretending that these different things, these completely different vaccines are having the same side effects and killing off everybody in identical ways.
Yeah, I just don't know how we're ever going to deal with this without a certain kind of reckoning of like, hey, 99% of people are dying because they're unvaccinated.
40% of Republicans refuse to get unvaccinated almost entirely because of this level of propaganda that they're faced with.
In no way is the propaganda not responsible for, at this point in time, a massive percentage of COVID deaths, right?
Yeah, I mean, I think that the influence seems very direct, and it seems very understandable.
Drawing a concrete line between the individual disseminer of the information and the people who are...
know making these choices to not get vaccinated sure that's more of a challenge but yeah it does it seems it seems like it seems like it's pretty hard to argue that yeah like that influence is leading people to make a lot of bad decisions right That are having consequences that can be fatal.
It seems like that, and it seems also additionally just difficult to figure out exactly what you do about that on an individual actor basis because of, you know, how do you prove a concrete connection?
Legislation has been introduced in the House, and it looks like it's going to pass.
To create a new law enforcement body in the Justice Department that will track everyone's medical records and if you've been vaccinated, that means whatever they cook up they want to put in your body.
He made a big deal out of the number being 666, but he didn't even follow up with it or care enough to notice that it died in committee.
The other stuff is just kind of made up.
In the 116th Congress, which was last year, there were four bills with the number 666.
None of them even received a vote, and one of them was a Senate resolution, quote, honoring the faithful and unwavering service of civil air transport and aerobics.
We're now in the 117th Congress, and in the House, Ayanna Pressley introduced the Anti-Racism and Public Health Act of 2021.
This seeks to amend the Public Health Service Act to provide for health research and investment into understanding and eliminating structural racism and police violence.
This doesn't seem like what Alex is talking about, and unfortunately, also, it'll almost certainly die in committee.
This bill also probably won't pass, and it was introduced by Rand Paul.
Bill numbers don't hold some kind of secret significance, and Alex never really takes the time to update his talking points past the point where they have gotten very stale.
This is a great example of that.
Just if he's forgotten to check in and see if that 6666 ever passed.
Unwillingness to let go of bigotry and to actually hear what's being said leads to shortcuts.
And the big shortcut here is that Alex is pretending this song is actually about corrupting children.
It's lazy, it's hateful, and it's also just dumb.
Also, it leads Alex to desperately try to pretend not to be a homophobe, because he wants to attack this, but he's like, ah, I can't be hateful, I can't be...
Specifically hateful.
Okay, so how am I going to do this?
I'm going to have to dance around this.
I guess I'll use identical rhetoric to the stuff that Nick Fuentes was saying on our last episode.
All they wanted was gay marriage, ladies and gentlemen.
And so people who are homosexual in the world who are not child molesters and who are not bad people, because they're heterosexual child molesters and they're homosexual child molesters.
They're all equally as bad.
You need to not let the pedophiles claim that they run your movement, because they do now.
And then you can whine and complain, oh, we're getting threats, oh, you hate us because of our sexual choices.
No, no, no, we don't like you because a bunch of creepy men singing a song about your coming for our children, and then all the Jocelyn elders wanted to teach.
Elementary students had to masturbate and said, reach down and touch their penis.
I feel like it would be tough to get Alex's voice in any kind of note that would sound good in song.
Yeah, I think that this is another one of those sort of...
I don't know if it quite constitutes straw man arguments, but it's the same sort of thing that Alex does at times with Muslims.
Like, why won't Muslim groups decry terrorism?
Tons and tons of examples of it that he has just ignored.
And it's the same thing with the LGBTQ plus community having to fight to not be associated with people who like children trying to gain a level of acceptance and association with that community.
Push against that association because that co-option is always a part of it.
It goes back years and years and years.
And Alex will not accept the multitude of voices of people in the LGBTQ community saying, no, this is not part of our thing.
That's what you have decided to accept as truth in order for you to pretend to not hate gay people while being against any modicum of rights for the community.
But I do worry about, like, if you make something that is this kind of pointed of a parody and satire and, like, fuck you and whatever your stupid beliefs are about us coming to corrupt your children and stuff, if you do that, that could put people in danger.
I would not be surprised if it leads to an increase in harassment of the Francisco Gay Men's Chorus or whatever.
I hope it doesn't escalate to violence or anything, but it's something that in the landscape that we're in right now, and have been for the last few years, it seems like that is a brave move even more than it is an interesting, funny video move.
Newsweek, quote, the Los Angeles Fire Department confirmed that the small church roof fire was fully extinguished and the LAPD, or I'm sorry, LAFD arson is currently conducting a fire-related investigation.
So after the 2019 fire at Notre Dame, France embarked on a two-month investigation which determined that the cause of the fire was an accident, with the leading suspected causes being an electrical short circuit or an errant cigarette.
And Alex couldn't defend that claim if his life depended on it.
The reality is that the fire that had...
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
The second issue is that the person who worked at the cathedral who is responsible for communicating with firefighters about where the fire was, quote...
was only on his third day on the job.
Smoke had been detected, but, quote, according to the report, when the fire alarm went off at 6.18pm, the guards sent to check on the warning went to the wrong building.
The sacricity, not the attic, which seriously delayed the response effort.
It was unconvincing stuff, but Alex knows that his audience doesn't remember that he never proved that one, so now he can just claim that the media covered up that Notre Dame was an arson and whatever.
I mean, we've all had, like, something bad happen on our first or second days of work, and just imagining that it is, like, a global news story is awful.
When their conscious mind and spirit has been removed from the controls to be nothing more than an avatar driven by a force that desires to burn down churches and rape children.
And if you go to any Democrat event or you go to an Antifa event or you even go to a mainline pro-choice event, women in Stepford wife outfits will tell you they love Satan and start sticking their tongues out and licking their lips.
Every time that would happen, you know, I've seen so many shows where people would walk up and it'd be an altercation or they would just not take people off the stage, you know, and let certain people go for 20, 30, 40 minutes, you know, that kind of thing.
I always, what I would do is I would slowly start dancing through the middle of the crowd and just kind of get everybody paying attention to me and just dancing really loud, not being mean or anything.
And then by the time I got to the stage, the comic would just be like...
You really should be calling the FBI on an organization of men meeting and saying, we're coming to corrupt your children, we're coming for them, we're coming to get them?
That's a pretty scary thing when a group of men, but see, they all wear rainbow and go, hi, how you doing?
I like you.
Highest rate of suicide, highest rate of hurting each other, totally unhappy because of the culture in and around it that is so incredibly disgusting and anti-human.
It's a pedophile army, and in my view, If the FBI raided the gay San Francisco choir, I would bet that a large percentage of those men have child porn on their computers, and I bet a large percentage of them are sex offenders already.
They're taking this smear campaign that I have towards that community and making fun of it in a way that is embracing of, like, we recognize what the fuck you say about us.
We can hear you!
We're going to flip it on its head and take the power away from it.
And Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho dresses up like his mother because he killed her because she's in the basement stuffed.
Psychologists know what all this is.
And now, oh, the schools are having talks with your elementary students about you're really a girl.
We're going to give you a lot of attention because you are.
We're going to send you to this gender reassignment thing.
And if your parents don't like it, In most jurisdictions now, they will take your children from you, the CPS will, and put them in another home with a bunch of these perverts that don't just want to stick their members in your children.
They want to chop their testicles and penises off and chop little girls' breasts off because the end goal is to mutilate and attack what God created, the power of men and women coming together in our trillions of whatever endless years we've been here.
Alright, ladies and gentlemen, I'm gonna plunge into all the news and tie it together here.
The Satanism, the pedophilia, the open declaration of war against humanity.
The externalization of Satan's plan here on this planet, the spiritual battle, the churches rolling over and doing nothing to fight it, and where this capitulation is going to take us very, very quickly.
And just how hellish things are going to get before humanity finally wakes up and comes back up for air.
That really is up to us.
We have free will.
But before I go any further, please remember, it is viewers and listeners that keep this independent, powerful...
I think Alex might eventually start to realize how little goodwill his being a media figure has once you actually start Presenting yourself as a stand-up.
I think he did learn that when he did stand-up when Doug Stanhope got him to in Austin years back, and that video is...
I can't imagine there not being massive protests outside and Rogan and Chappelle both standing up and being like, no, we can do whoever we want at our shows, and then two weeks later he's gone forever.
So I thought we were going to get to the devil's plan that Alex was going to delineate and break down, but then he did this long plug and now he's trying to promote...
A pay-per-view that is not going to happen and his burgeoning stand-up career, apparently, that he's going to do because things are so wild with the globalists that we need to fuck with their brains and have fun or try and cheaply cash in and make some money really fast.
It has the feel of somebody coming in late to work for the fifth time that week and being like, listen, man, I slept in, I got a nice cup of coffee, I didn't get here on time.
I have no idea what Alex is referring to in terms of this article in the Times of Israel, but interestingly, CNBC had an article that came out on July 8th with the headline, quote, Virtually all new COVID deaths and hospitalizations are among unvaccinated people, White House says.
There are breakthrough infections that are being seen, and that's inevitable since no vaccine is 100% effective, but apparently almost nobody who's been vaccinated fully is seeing illness that requires hospitalization in the United States.
This reality that vaccines are not 100% effective is something that's being exploited by anti-vax propagandists by using real statistics in a manipulative way.
For instance, there was a conversation last month about how the proportion of vaccinated persons within the group of people who died with COVID-19 is rising.
That proportion is rising.
This sounds scary and it's the kind of statistic that can be very useful for someone like Alex.
But all you have to do is think about things for a few minutes and you'll come up with possible explanations for this phenomenon.
The first is that data shows that people who are older are more likely to be vaccinated.
People who are older also are statistically more likely to die than younger people.
So the unfortunate reality is that the pool of vaccinated people skews toward containing people who are more likely to die.
Right.
The second reason is that the vaccine cannot be 100% effective.
An article in The Guardian really well expresses this dynamic.
Quote, I find it incredibly hard to believe that the Times of Israel is reporting anything close to what Alex is saying.
On July 8th, they reported on the first two COVID deaths in Israel in the past two weeks.
So the number of COVID deaths, I don't know how you'd get that number that Alex is saying, but one of them was a 48-year-old unvaccinated man, and the other was an 86-year-old man who had been vaccinated.
That same day, they reported only 37 seriously ill people with COVID in the entire country.
So I just don't know where these stats are coming from.
Yeah, I mean, it is such that vicious cycle of you convince people that the vaccine is evil.
They don't get the vaccine, more people die, and the vaccinated people are like, we can't let you continue doing this.
You're dying, and two, you're incubators for the eventual immune virus that's going to wind up killing all of us anyways.
We can't let you do this, and the only way to do that is to come into your fucking homes and try and convince you, and then they're like, see, they're coming into your homes and trying to convince you, and you're like, but you're...
Yeah, and the other thing, too, is that the vaccination opposition or whatever has metastasized and attached itself to so many extraneous political positions that it's being co-opted as a signifier of right-wing politics.
And so, they're going to start rolling out the contact tracers as they've already done it in Europe, as they've already done it in Australia, as they've already done it in Latin America, where they come to your door.
And they say, your neighbor said you were coughing.
We got a report you were sick.
No, I'm fine.
You don't have a warrant?
Get out of my house.
Well, under the emergency code, we don't need a warrant.
Come outside.
And they've got a little credit card reader machine.
It's a total fraud.
They stick Lord knows what up your nose.
They stick at the machine.
Two minutes later, it says they can turn up to 40 cycles.
She'll be basically 100% false positive.
And, oh, sorry, because the computer will tell them we're going to go at 40 cycles.
If you're a good little globalist, then they can come to your house and test you.
And now they've got a perfect excuse to disappear you and get used to vans driving around, grabbing people, and all the Democrats and all the leftists that went to college in Europe and Latin America and Africa and Asia, everywhere, they go to these UN-certified schools to learn how to be social workers, to be in AmeriCorps.
Or to be in the Peace Corps.
And now that's that civilian domestic army Obama talked about, just as big, just as strong as the military.
And it's not there to take your guns right away.
It's not there to, no, no.
It's there to save you.
It's there to make sure you take the shot.
It's there to see if you're sick and go in your home and take you out and take you away.
And sure, that was all in the U.N. plans years ago.
It was in the Rockefeller plan, lockstep, 11 years ago.
I was thinking it was a little hard to believe that Obama's civilian army matched up equally with the $900 billion a year United States military, but I could be wrong.
And it says here, conduct, analyze data, and administer research and grant program to address racism and the impact of health and well-being with all of your medical records from the CDC, the National Center for Anti-Racism, that's run by the Southern Poverty Law Center and ADL, with your medical records.
It would seek to create a new entity within the CDC called the National Center on Anti-Racism and Health.
The entity would be tasked with looking at and addressing the healthcare implications of our country's history of structural racism, ranging from issues related to infectious disease to pregnancy-related conditions, which are two instances of health issues that intersect heavily with race.
Additionally, the bill sought to have the CDC coordinated with the DOJ to address police violence as a public health-related matter.
The bill was introduced on February 1st, and even though it does have important points in it, as it stands, even Alex knows damn well this isn't going to pass.
More importantly, Alex is just making up major parts of his analysis of the bill.
There's no discussion about accessing anyone's medical records.
That's part of this that Alex is just free associating.
That's a knee-jerk reaction Alex has whenever you read something that sounds like it might be a social positive.
This thing says that it's anti-racism, so in order to make sure my audience doesn't feel racist for opposing it, I have to be sure to say it's associated with the ADL and the SPLC, who I've already convinced the audience are evil based on propaganda I took straight from white supremacists and the protocols of the elders of Zion.
It's a load of shit, but you can see how he needs to do that to cover his bases with the audience to keep them in check.
Also, this bill is identical to S4533, the Anti-Racism and Public Health Act of 2020, which was introduced by Elizabeth Warren last year and died in committee.
It's also the same as HR 8178, which is the House version of that bill that Ayanna Pressley introduced last year, which also died in committee.
The bill establishes within the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention a National Center for Anti-Racism and Health and a law enforcement violence prevention program.
Among other activities, the new center must...
Collect and analyze data.
Oh, oh, they get your medical records and administer research and grant programs to address racism and the impact of health and well-being.
Because the health department was set up in New York first by Margaret Sanger to, quote, exterminate black weakens.
Additionally, the bill specifically directs the CDC's National Center for...
Injury prevention and control in coordination with the Department of Justice and other relevant stakeholders to carry out the Law Enforcement Violence Prevention Program by conducting research and supporting officers and other activities pertaining to law enforcement, violence, and public health.
So, contact tracers, your medical records, with the ADL, with the Southern Poverty Law Center, with Health and Human Services, interface with your local health department.
seamless surveillance control, legalizing the surveillance state they've already had for decades Alex is clearly cold-reading this bill, because if he read it before getting on air, his conspiracy would be different.
He's having to make up all these extraneous details that aren't in the bill to make the square peg fit in a round hole, but if he actually read it...
He could do this as a white identity narrative without even thinking.
Also, Press Secretary Psaki, she has what seems to be an interesting relationship with the term strike force.
In a press conference on July 8th, she used the term.
It was in response to a question about Biden talking with Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot about the gun situation in the city.
Right.
And here is the exchange.
Question.
How is the DOJ strike force going to specifically interrupt the networks that are trafficking those guns?
Answer.
They're going to work with the city.
We're doing these strike forces in about five cities around the country, and they want to work directly with them to use legal authorities to crack down on illegal gun trafficking and work in partnership with law enforcement authorities in the cities, and that add additional heft and additional resources.
In a press gaggle the previous day, she used the term, again in relationship to gun trafficking in Chicago.
But!
On July 6th, she was discussing communities with low vaccination rates and said, quote, that's one of the reasons we initiated these strike forces, to go into communities and work with them to determine what they need, to take localized, specific approach that works with elected officials and communities.
I think she just likes the combination of those words.
But anyway, one of the reasons why I don't care too much about him is he has his own show and he fairly regularly has comedians as guests.
I have no idea if...
That means he's trying to do a Rogan-type thing, and if that's the case, I don't know how much I can accurately assess where he's coming from and what's meant to be taken seriously.
I don't want to engage with something that might be a bit troll-y.
A scroll through his guest list, however, does reveal that he's friends with a bunch of real idiot shitheads, and he seems to like having them on his show.
That doesn't look great.
The second issue I have is that Michael is there in studio, so one would assume that he's heard the show leading up to this point.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Can I be a part of the same episode where Alex is talking about the gay men's chorus in San Francisco probably being pedophiles?
If you still are like, yeah, I'm going to keep this booking.
Then I don't, you know, there's nothing about your own individual career that I think could even rise to the level of like, well, you have made yourself discountable.
So I think the most important thing, though, is that in 2018, riding high on Trump energy, Michael Malice was one of the speakers at A Night for Freedom.
And if you go back and look at the list of speakers, it oozes with poorly disguised monsters just waiting to be allowed to speak freely.
This was while he was still just pretending to be an edgy comedian who liked to sing songs with Good stuff.
And then there's Gavin McGinnis, still in that sweet spot where the Proud Boys were still being seen as a harmless joke by most people.
He had an adoring cult, and things hadn't gone south to the point where he'd have to pretend he didn't mean any of the violent stuff, and he wasn't really the leader of the group, and honestly, they were mostly just about dudes having a beer together away from the old ball and chain.
He was on that panel too, riding that sweet middle ground of being a creepy-ass libertarian cult leader prior to him going to Poland and realizing he was actually a white nationalist all along.
Goofy losers like Jack Posobiec and Mike Cernovich were there, too, talking about how they were the vanguard of culture now.
Quote, one of the ways the left has won for decades is by being the fun side.
That's where the parties are.
That's where the cool people are.
And it's important if you want people to agree with you and come over to have events like this, to not have the social cost of being on the right and to enjoy life in America.
One thing I take away from that is that Michael Malice and I have very different ideas of what sounds like fun.
Personally, I don't think hanging out with a group of pathetic, thinly veiled bigots sounds like a good time.
He doesn't rise to the level of interesting danger that someone like a Nick Fuentes does, and he doesn't have the social capital of someone like a Joe Rogan that make them like, oh, we should talk about this.
Can you imagine the conversation you would have coming if you told someone who wasn't nuts to listen to this show and said it was the suppressed truth in the universe?
Can you imagine how worried your friend would rightly be if you did that?
Like, it's one thing to tune in and somebody like Bill Cooper is boringly going over hoax documents and discussing conspiracies or cryptids or something.
You know, like, it's kind of fun.
It's completely another thing if your friend says to listen to Infowars and get the truth, and you're confronted by a complete idiot yelling about how the San Francisco gay men's chorus are probably pedophiles, rambles about doing a pay-per-view where he fights ten little people, and then constantly makes up details about every real thing he covers like these bills.
If you're listening to this shit and sincerely recommending it to someone, a rational response would be for them to be very worried about you.
I think one of the interesting things that I think we're going to learn in the next week or so, too, is how does the relationship of Nick getting kicked off Twitter affect Alex and the relationship that Nick Fuentes has with InfoWars.
Now, InfoWars may be one of the larger platforms that he has access to.
There may be a need for him to invest more.
In his presence on Alex's banned.video, his ability to come on the shows, and that could be trouble for someone like Alex, because Nick is pretty slick.
The stuff that he does does involve action towards politics, action towards bills, action towards organizing and disrupting things like Charlie Kirk events.
Things like this are things that have real on the real world implications that folks like Paul and Alex They don't really do as much of.
People like Paul and Harrison, they kind of understand that, sure, they want to sway opinions on things in the info war or whatever, but it's more about creating your media space.
One of the reasons that I find Nick to be more of a dangerous person than a lot of these other folks that we talk about, and one of the reasons that...
I don't cover his show, even though he does a show, is because I don't think he's the same type of person.
I think he is a bit of a grifter, and he's scamming a little bit, obviously.