Today, Dan and Jordan end up so disappointed by Alex Jones' 4th of July video that they decide to check in on the Baby Bigot section of his website to see what kind of content Alex is associating himself with these days. (Content warning: transphobia, homophobia...a bunch of other stuff that may be unpleasant) Citations
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| It's time to pray. | ||
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I have great respect for knowledge fight. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I need money. | ||
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding us. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your world. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| KnowledgeFight.com I love you. | ||
| Hey everybody! | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
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Dan! | |
| Dan! | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is the continuing of the buttons. | ||
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Yes. | |
| I'm sending them out. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| And one of the things that I mentioned on a previous episode was that we're taking care of the postage and everything. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But if people feel so inclined, because a lot of people have offered to pay for postage to... | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| There's a number of people in foreign countries. | ||
| If you're sending it to the Netherlands, we get it. | ||
| I understand why you want to offer postage. | ||
| Yeah, and I appreciate that. | ||
| I don't want to sneeze on people's generosity. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| Metaphorically. | ||
| I don't know why I used sneeze there, but be that as it may, we've said that one of the things people can do is find a charity and donate in the name of Celine. | ||
| Yes, yes, yes, of course. | ||
| Let's take over the world. | ||
| And... | ||
| I got a really awesome thing that I wanted to share. | ||
| This is my bright spot. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| Frederick H. adopted an elephant in Kenya. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I'm listening. | ||
| I'm listening. | ||
| In honor of Celine. | ||
| Fuck yes. | ||
| My cat, Celine, is now the foster parent of Bondeni, a baby elephant in Kenya. | ||
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I feel that's amazing. | |
| I feel so good about that. | ||
| I feel so good about that. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| I can't believe that we... | ||
| That's one of those moments where you're like, I didn't realize the scope of this until all of a sudden your cat is fostering a baby elephant. | ||
| And then you're like, okay, the world's gone crazy. | ||
| It's something so great about the creativity of listeners like Frederick as well. | ||
| So much. | ||
| Yeah, taking the ball and running with it and doing something really cool and overwhelmingly... | ||
| And helpful and beautiful. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Also, a personal message came in with that, that is, my neck is freakishly large, which I assume is from the elephant, which they have thick old necks. | ||
| They do! | ||
| That's true. | ||
| So thank you, Frederick. | ||
| That was really awesome, and it really brightened my day and week. | ||
| And my mom is a huge elephant person, and so it's also... | ||
| It was a nice coincidence of a thing. | ||
| She's a huge elephant person. | ||
| She'd be thrilled by the idea of my cat having a foster parent relationship with an elephant. | ||
| See, now we just need to unite them and have Selene stand atop... | ||
| An elephant at all times. | ||
| We're heading to Kenya. | ||
| I think we have to. | ||
| Yep, live show. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Live show in Kenya. | ||
| Just to get that picture of Celine on an elephant. | ||
| That's what we need. | ||
| What's your bright spot, dude? | ||
| My bright spot, Dan, is far less consequential. | ||
| Kind of makes me feel a little embarrassed that this is my bright spot. | ||
| But have you ever had a cotton candy grape, Dan? | ||
| No. | ||
| I was trying to think of what that is. | ||
| I feel like I've had grape-flavored cotton candy. | ||
| Yeah, see, now this is the opposite. | ||
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It's... | |
| Cotton candy flavored grapes. | ||
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What? | |
| They're grapes that taste like cotton candy. | ||
| But to be fair, cotton candy really is just sugar. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So it's just sugar grapes? | ||
| Now, here's what you need to understand, all right? | ||
| And this is why it's my bright spot. | ||
| The packaging is exactly as defensive about that as you would imagine. | ||
| It's not just sugar. | ||
| Seriously. | ||
| It's like, they taste like cotton candy, and they know that your first reaction is going to be like, oh, okay, so they're sweet grapes. | ||
| And then you eat one, and you're like, shit, this tastes like cotton candy. | ||
| And their packaging is So fucking different. | ||
| It's like, no! | ||
| We know you think it's just sugar. | ||
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Give us a chance. | |
| Give us a chance. | ||
| It's really cotton candy! | ||
| Where'd you get these? | ||
| At the grocery store? | ||
| Yeah, I got them at the grocery store. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| We're going to different grocery stores because I've not seen candy grapes. | ||
| Me neither. | ||
| Oh, that's cool. | ||
| I'll keep my eyes open. | ||
| It's a bright spot and it's great. | ||
| Oh, also I saw that someone posted a picture of the Skittles gummies with weed in them. | ||
| Yes, yes, they did. | ||
| So those do exist. | ||
| Well done. | ||
| Or at least Skittles with weed in them. | ||
| Please don't mail them to us. | ||
| I think that's still a federal crime. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| You should be able to find them, though, based on the legality here in the city of Chicago. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. | ||
| We're going to be talking about the 4th of July. | ||
| Which is Alex's Fourth of July, honestly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| Metaphorically, it's his big day. | ||
| It's the Christmas in July sale of Christmases. | ||
| Yeah, so we're going to talk about that a little bit, and then something else entirely. | ||
| But, before we get to that, we're going to get deep. | ||
| Giving someone life is giving someone death. | ||
| You could say that... | ||
| Life is death. | ||
| You could. | ||
| God, I'll never get tired of that. | ||
| Just the simple... | ||
| The simple-minded confusion whenever he lands upon, you know, life and death are one and the same. | ||
| It's just perfect. | ||
| I just love it. | ||
| I love it so much. | ||
| He is a philosopher. | ||
| He's a philosopher. | ||
| So, Elaine, out in New Zealand. | ||
| Want to wish you a happy birthday? | ||
| Also, I will say this. | ||
| From the people who are requesting buttons, we have a listenership in New Zealand that surprises me a little bit. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| And that is something that I definitely would consider... | ||
| Going to do a show. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| An excuse to go to New Zealand. | ||
| I am pretty sure in order to get citizenship in New Zealand, you need a sponsor. | ||
| And hey, if you are a wonk, I might need it! | ||
| Also, Jeff reached out and wanted us to wish Diana a happy birthday, so happy birthday, Diana. | ||
| Happy birthday, Diana. | ||
| And brother Sean. | ||
| Sean, the brother of this person, messaged and wanted to wish... | ||
| Not someone named Brother Sean. | ||
| His brother... | ||
| Well, I didn't know how to phrase this. | ||
| Oh, okay, okay. | ||
| Anyway, Sean wanted to wish his brother Cody a happy birthday. | ||
| Happy birthday, Cody. | ||
| And Sean said, quote, thank... | ||
| I don't know why I have to say quote. | ||
| Like it's a primary source. | ||
| Quoting from the Washington Post. | ||
| Quote, thank him for helping me become the wonk I am today, or perhaps I should be asking for an apology. | ||
| Unquote. | ||
| Yes, well done. | ||
| I would very much be disappointed if you didn't end those brackets. | ||
| Otherwise, we could be in trouble. | ||
| The whole rest of this episode. | ||
| We could be slanderous. | ||
| So, Jordan, on the 4th, that was over the weekend, Alex Jones put out a special report. | ||
| He put out a report on the 4th. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That I thought was, you know, eh, underwhelming. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So I want to encourage everybody to be the captain of your own life. | ||
| And to think about, even though it's cheesy, metaphorically putting a captain's hat on. | ||
| I've got to stop right there really quick. | ||
| He is wearing that captain's hat that may or may not be the same one from his Halloween story. | ||
| Is he wearing a Nazi cap? | ||
| It might be the same one from his Halloween story where everyone said it was a Nazi hat and he got really defensive about it. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But yeah, he's wearing the hat in order for him to be like, be the captain of your own life. | ||
| Like this, I'm wearing a hat. | ||
| Oh boy, that's bad. | ||
| Saying, I'm going to try to chart my own course in life. | ||
| I'm not just going to believe CNN or the New York Times or the United Nations or Dr. Fauci. | ||
| And there's a great example of declaring independence from the New World Order and the globalists and taking our lives back one person, one household, one town, one state, one country at a time. | ||
| And it's a big interview, an emergency broadcast that Joe Rogan did, an emergency podcast with two scientists that have been censored, demonetized and persecuted because they're covering mainline truth. | ||
| This episode of Rogan's podcast that Alex is referring to came out on June 22nd and didn't feature two scientists, COVID scientists. | ||
| It featured one scientist named Pierre Corey and one member of the International. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Brett Weinstein, I envy you. | ||
| He rose to prominence because he was a professor at Evergreen State College and he got really mad about the 2017 day of absence. | ||
| If you forgot about that, it was a thing where every year minority students and faculty members can choose to stay off campus as a way of celebrating the things that they bring to the school. | ||
| Yeah, I remember that. | ||
| In 2017, they decided to try to reverse the experience and asked white students and faculty to voluntarily stay off campus for the day. | ||
| Oh my god, I hate this guy so much. | ||
| That Weinstein made a big deal out of this and took it upon himself to enlist the help of Fox News and countless other shitheads to turn this into one of the most pressing matters of free speech in America. | ||
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White racism. | |
| This national attention naturally made the situation on campus more intense and protests began and escalated, which culminated in Weinstein and his wife resigning from the school and suing for 3.8%. | ||
| Uh, shh. | ||
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Sure. | |
| To get some sense of how frivolous his shit was, the school settled the case with him and his wife for $250,000 each, which is a ridiculously small amount for the couple to accept unless they knew they were lucky to get anything. | ||
| Yeah, they were very lucky to get something. | ||
| Since then, Weinstein's been a guest on Rogan a few times and is just a general dum-dum hanging out with idiots like Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin. | ||
| In the 2020 election, he used his position to try to draft Tulsi Gabbard and Dan Crenshaw onto a ticket to run for president on the Unity 2020. | ||
| 20 ticket. | ||
| Well, that would have done it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That would have solved it. | ||
| We've got to bring it together. | ||
| That would have fucking who-filled the Americas. | ||
| That's what would have happened on that one. | ||
| What ticket would appeal to the left and the right? | ||
| Or nobody? | ||
| I can't think of more of an oxymoronic statement than emergency podcast. | ||
| Yeah, that is... | ||
| Well, I mean, we... | ||
| I guess we're sort of joking whenever we say there's an emergency episode. | ||
| We're very joking. | ||
| Also, Brett Weinstein's brother is another member of the intellectual dark web, Eric Weinstein, who's one of the managing directors at Thiel Capital. | ||
| That company, of course, is run by Peter Thiel, who famously made giant donations to Trump's 2016 campaign, spoke at the Republican convention that year, and of course bankrolled Hulk Hogan's lawsuit that took down Gawker. | ||
| Yeah, my point here is that the Weinsteins are super cool. | ||
| Yeah, they're great guys. | ||
| Lately, Brett has been getting into some COVID territory and has been widely rebuked for his public promotion of Ivermectin as a cure for the virus. | ||
| Oh, goddammit. | ||
| He was going on Rogan's show to discuss this along with this doctor friend. | ||
| Pierre Corey is a doctor who's been making very suspect claims about ivermectin since at least late 2020, calling it a, quote, wonder drug, even though the actual evidence for such a claim is very lacking. | ||
| There are some studies that appear to indicate slight benefits that could come from ivermectin, but they're far from definitive. | ||
| Other studies show no benefit from the drug. | ||
| There just isn't consistent good data to show that it's a cure, and people who go around promoting it as such are acting in ways that are super dangerous for the general public. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fourth of July special report, and he decided to open by talking about how Joe Rogan did an episode two weeks ago with this doctor and Brett Weinstein overhyping Ivermectin. | ||
| And that's a declaration of independence or something. | ||
| This is sad. | ||
| Yeah, that's great. | ||
| This is a mess. | ||
| This is the 4th of July. | ||
| America's history... | ||
| If we're going to talk about the 4th of July episode, let's get into the history of the United States. | ||
| I just want to say that one of the big problems that really is coming back to bite us... | ||
| Is our long history of loving snake oil salesmen to the point where now you can hear the word wonder drug and I go, oh, you mean snake oil? | ||
| And other people are like, I love wonder drugs! | ||
| And you're like, well, we're just stuck with this forever. | ||
| This is just how we live. | ||
| Yeah, we made a mistake in being like... | ||
| Like, rooting for the scam artist to get away. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| To get out of the monorail. | ||
| If it weren't for Phil Hartman crushing the monorail song, we would be way better off. | ||
| You think that's where it started? | ||
| I think that's where it started. | ||
| I think that was all. | ||
| It all goes back to The Simpsons, Dan. | ||
| So, everything goes back on this episode, or this special report, to Rogan, I guess. | ||
| That's what the Fourth of July is about. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| We've got these two big scientists that are very well known, being censored and demonetized off YouTube and other platforms, telling the truth. | ||
| And Joe had the courage to have them on and have them lay the courage. | ||
| And it's a very, very powerful interview. | ||
| I watched it a few days ago. | ||
| So I guess Alex watched the whole thing and didn't realize that Brett Weinstein isn't a censored COVID doctor. | ||
| What? | ||
| Which is weird. | ||
| Courage it takes to bring two dumb, dumb scam artists onto your $100 million podcast. | ||
| Brave. | ||
| Listened by the most number of people in the world. | ||
| Very brave. | ||
| How brave. | ||
| How courageous. | ||
| Also, since that episode had come out and before this 4th of July report that Alex is doing, Rogan had Quentin Tarantino on as a guest, which should infuriate. | ||
| Alex hates Quentin Tarantino, and Joe should know better than to have that kind of a globalist on his show. | ||
| Yeah, that's trouble. | ||
| That's going to get people in trouble. | ||
| I've got to do an emergency episode about how Joe had Quentin Tarantino on, and I'm mad about that. | ||
| Oh, man, I'm going to try and get back on. | ||
| So we've got a little headline here that Alex brings up. | ||
| All right. | ||
| The Defender had a good boil down of it. | ||
| Joe Rogan's emergency podcast questions YouTube censorship of content showing ivermectin as an effective COVID-19 treatment. | ||
| You ever hear of the Defender? | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, it seemed like an interesting citation. | ||
| I hadn't really heard him toss out that as a place he got news from before. | ||
| Oh, I thought that was just like a person who was defending this bullshit. | ||
| I thought it was like a Twitter defender. | ||
| You know, like that. | ||
| No, the defender is a publication. | ||
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Yeah, it's an outlet. | |
| Oh, no. | ||
| Turns out it's an online publication put out by a group called the Children's Health Defense. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| That's an anti-abortion group. | ||
| That's an anti-abortion group. | ||
| Oh, come on. | ||
| That's an anti-trafficking, anti-abortion bullshit group. | ||
| Children's Health Defense means anti- No, no, no. | ||
| It sounds great to me. | ||
| I love defending the health of children. | ||
| No, everybody does. | ||
| That's why it's an anti-abortion group. | ||
| Nah, case closed. | ||
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Sorry. | |
| Children's defense of health. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Turns out it's an anti-vax outfit run by Robert Kennedy Jr. | ||
| They began in 2016 being called the World Mercury Project, but then changed their name, probably because they want to try and obscure the fact that there are out-and-out intense anti-vax advocates as opposed to independent purveyors of information. | ||
| I thought the estate of Freddie Mercury sued them. | ||
| No, no, it was about Mercury being in the vaccines. | ||
| Yeah, of course it is. | ||
| Preservatives. | ||
| Anyway, this is a band of anti-vaccine propagandists, so it makes sense why they would call their outlet something innocuous like The Defender, so you can cite their articles without sounding like you're- I guess that's one of the sources Alex considers not fake news, which is pretty sweet. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| That's real great. | ||
| That's real great. | ||
| It's kind of funny how they get, like, paid by people who are anti-vax people who get money from being anti-vax people. | ||
| And by putting this out, people are less likely to take vaccines and more likely to give money to the anti-vax people who pay for the coverage in the Defender. | ||
| I'm starting to see how this business model works. | ||
| I think it's a good one. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It works. | ||
| It does work. | ||
| So we have one last clip of this 4th of July special report, which is just Alex in the middle of a field or maybe his backyard. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Probably taking a break from the barbecue. | ||
| Yeah, this is a barbecue that if you turn the camera around, there's a ton of people all enjoying themselves. | ||
| Rob Dews passed out on a lawn chair. | ||
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Totally, yes, yeah, absolutely. | |
| Some random dude is fishing nearby. | ||
| Yep, got it. | ||
| Buckley is mixing on the ones and twos. | ||
| They had to ask him to turn off the music for a little bit so Alex could do his special report. | ||
| Yeah, this is the last little clip I have. | ||
| So I hereby declare my independence on July 4, 2021, again, from the New World Order. | ||
| I declare myself a sovereign, free human being. | ||
| Again? | ||
| I'm not their slave, and I pledge my life, my honor, my funds, my children, everything I am, on the altar of liberty, as Thomas Jefferson said, over every form of tyranny over the mind of man. | ||
| I mean, your response to that is so right. | ||
| I mean, again, this is so meaningless. | ||
| Again? | ||
| So anyway, I know it's been a while since we've done a little bit of discussion about Jefferson, and Alex quoted him, so I think that we've gone into this a little bit in the past, but I want to read you the larger context of that Jefferson quote that gets thrown around a lot. | ||
| This is from a letter from 1800 that he sent to Benjamin Rush. | ||
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Right. | |
| Quote, I promised you a letter on Christianity, which I have not forgotten. | ||
| On the contrary, it is because I have reflected on it that I find much more time necessary for it than I can at present dispose of. | ||
| I have a view of the subject which ought to displease neither the rational Christian or deist, and would reconcile many to a character they have too hastily rejected. | ||
| I do not know, however, it would reconcile the irritable tribe of prophets who are all in arms against me. | ||
| Their hostility is on too interesting ground to be softened. | ||
| The delusions into which the XYZ plot shooed it possible to push the people. | ||
| The successful experiment made under the prevalence of that delusion on the cause of the Constitution, which while it secured the freedom of the press, covered also the freedom of religion, had given to the clergy a favorite hope of obtaining an establishment of a particular form of Christianity through the United States. | ||
| And, as every sect believes its own form, the true one, everyone perhaps hoped for its own, but especially the Episcopalians and Congregationalists. | ||
| The returning good sense of our country threatens abortion to their hopes, and they believe that any position of power confided to me will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. | ||
| And they believe truly, for I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. | ||
| But this is all they have to fear from me. | ||
| And slavery is... | ||
| Every form of tyranny over the... | ||
| So while it is true that Thomas Jefferson said essentially the words that Alex loves to quote, the reality is that every time Alex repeats that saying, he's using it incorrectly. | ||
| The context that Jefferson said those words in had to do with an opposition to Christian churches using the First Amendment freedom of religion to establish what would effectively be an official religion. | ||
| of the United States. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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If Alex had been around in 1800, he would have absolutely been one of the irritable tribe of prophets who were at work. | |
| war with Jefferson. | ||
| 100. | ||
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And the irony of Alex using this quote to pump himself up in his quest to bring about a Christian theocracy in the United States. | |
| That is not lost on me. | ||
| No. | ||
| If Alex understood the primary sources he uses, I honestly think that this would be A-plus trolling. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Using this quote in the way that he uses it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| While pushing for the things that he pushes for. | ||
| Yeah, it's analogous exactly to their form of Christianity insofar as it's like... | ||
| It says what we say it does and god damn you if you read it. | ||
| That's a terrible idea. | ||
| You'll realize that it doesn't mean what we say it means and that's why we tell you not to read! | ||
| Don't read. | ||
| Don't read! | ||
| So I found this video message really confusing. | ||
| The title of it is We're Winning! | ||
| Alex Jones' 2021 4th of July message, which kind of flies in the face of his routine outbursts about how we're all going to die whenever he has tech problems in studio. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But whatever. | ||
| Also, apropos, considering he's wearing a Nazi hat while he's doing this, they are seeming to be winning right now. | ||
| Allegedly Nazi hat. | ||
| The video itself was basically just him trying to pump himself up and talking about a recent episode of the Rogan podcast. | ||
| He spends like a third of the video suggesting guests that Joe should have on. | ||
| It's absurd. | ||
| Did he suggest us? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, that's surprising. | ||
| And I'm going to preemptively reject that invitation. | ||
| I'll go on. | ||
| I'm going to preemptively reject that invitation that, let's be clear, will never come. | ||
| Never come, but I will go on if it's Tim J. Dillon and Joe Rogan and I just get to shit on them all the time. | ||
| I'll do it. | ||
| I'll take that swing. | ||
| I felt like this video was just pathetic, and it was the energy that Alex was bringing on the 4th of July, which should be this day to shine. | ||
| I just don't know how interested I could possibly be to see what he's doing on the 5th or talk about what the... | ||
| If you can't get it going on the 4th... | ||
| You have really disappointed me. | ||
| Yeah, I really thought that he was going to come. | ||
| When you said there was a July 4th special video, I thought he was going to come out swinging against critical race theory. | ||
| Something. | ||
| That's the thing in my mind that was like, that's him going to be patriotic. | ||
| I thought there would be something. | ||
| Something. | ||
| So, I just was like, okay, you're on timeout. | ||
| I'm going to look around your website. | ||
| See what I can figure out. | ||
| See if I can get the temperature of InfoWars based on band.video. | ||
| See what's going on. | ||
| So I found a couple of interesting things. | ||
| The first thing I found was that all of Alex's shows have recently been pushing Nick Fuentes quite a bit. | ||
| Oh, fuck me. | ||
| I suspect one element of this is I think that Nick was recently in Austin, so he just went and did all the shows. | ||
| Also, I think that Nick might be realizing, who cares? | ||
| What do I have to lose by trying to steal Alex's audience? | ||
| I'm already an out-and-out avowed white nationalist. | ||
| What's lower? | ||
| Where can I go lower? | ||
| Yeah, the worst I can do is co-opt. | ||
| Or the best I can do is probably co-opt Alex's audience, get them over on my side. | ||
| The worst thing that can happen is I get kicked off InfoWars streaming platform because I'm too... | ||
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No! | |
| And then I get to call Alex a Zionist cuck or something? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Great. | ||
| He'll get publicity out of starting a feud. | ||
| No matter what, it's a win for him. | ||
| No, he's a winner. | ||
| So, also, the other thing that I realized is bad news for them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I compared the view totals of the other main shows that Alex has. | ||
| How are they doing? | ||
| Owen Troyer's War Room and Harrison Smith's American Journal. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Man, for some of their clickbait titles of their little videos, little clips that they put out of their shows, some of them have okay views, but man, no one is watching their actual shows. | ||
| Yeah, of course not. | ||
| It's a no man's land over there in terms of their full videos. | ||
| I almost want to go back and see how many old David Knight views we have now and just see if he's really kicking himself, just going like, God damn it, I've got Harrison Smith. | ||
| Boring people with his white nationalist garbage. | ||
| I think that David Knight had an appeal to a different segment than any of these shows do. | ||
| I think so too, yeah. | ||
| I think it was a terrible decision from a business standpoint. | ||
| No, you gotta pick Stevie Peas of David Knight. | ||
| Didn't even give Steve his own show yet. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So I felt like it was time, like I said, to take a little bit of a day away from Alex. | ||
| Let him cool his heels a little bit. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And honestly though, Owen and Harrison were looking like real disappointments. | ||
| But then I realized they're featuring Nick Fuentes a lot. | ||
| And then I remembered that Nick was just given his own channel on Alex's website, band.video. | ||
| He has his own America First channel on there. | ||
| Get the fuck out. | ||
| I felt like maybe it was time that we check in and see what kind of content Nick was putting out and that Alex is signing off on and hosting on his own website. | ||
| Oh, fuck me. | ||
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| It'll be fun! | ||
| No, why are you making me do this? | ||
| No, you're gonna get so mad. | ||
| You already know what would happen. | ||
| I honestly think that when I started this, I was like, ah, this'll be fun. | ||
| This'll make Jordan mad. | ||
| And as I got through it, I was like, wow, I can't believe that this is just on Alex's website. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Some of it is a bit even more overt than I was expecting. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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| Cool, cool, cool, cool. | ||
| So the first video that I saw, I was like, let's check this out. | ||
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Sure. | |
| The title of it is, The Purpose of Juneteenth is White Replacement. | ||
| If they changed it to that, I'm fine with it. | ||
| But also, they'd have to change it to that. | ||
| Yes, they would have to change it to that. | ||
| But if they did, I'm fine with it. | ||
| So here's how this starts. | ||
| And here's our latest example, which proves I'm right. | ||
| You smug piece of shit, I think. | ||
| have been shared by a lot of black people and a lot of non-white people in this country she says why stop at independence day we should have a new american flag and this is an op-ed she wrote she said quote the confederate battle flag which was created as a symbol of opposition to the abolition of slavery is just recently tired we don't see it much anymore however on the 6th when the Waving old glory, the memo was received. | ||
| The American flag is its replacement. | ||
| It's a little disappointing that the underpinning of Nick's argument is an op-ed that was written by Macy Gray that was published not in the New York Times or the Washington Post, but on Market Watch. | ||
| No disrespect to Macy Gray or Market Watch, but this isn't the level of thing that I would expect a self-respecting white nationalist to take seriously. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No disrespect to Macy Gray. | ||
| Fuck Market Watch. | ||
| If you pay close attention to how Nick is discussing this article, you can see a couple of really important assumptions and fabrications that he has to make in order for this to even be something he can use for his narrative. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The first is that he has to take this op-ed written by Macy Gray and present it not just as her opinion, but as an opinion that Nick sure is shared by a lot of non-white people. | ||
| I guess if what Nick was responding to is a giant groundswell of support for this op-ed, specifically in non-white communities, then he might be able to make that rhetorical trick work. | ||
| But as it's... | ||
| He's doing that because he knows it would come off as a little sad if he were just this upset about an op-ed written by a singer whose biggest hit came out just after his first birthday. | ||
| He has to make a much bigger deal out of this than it is to justify his outrage. | ||
| The second thing he does is escalate the argument that's being made by Macy Gray. | ||
| Nick says, quote, she says, why stop at Independence Day? | ||
| We should have a new American flag. | ||
| This op-ed says nothing about replacing Independence Day with Juneteenth. | ||
| That's just Nick's thing. | ||
| didn't happen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| That's a complete distortion of the argument that Gray is making in the piece. | ||
| This is just about the idea that maybe we should get a new flag. | ||
| A bunch of shitheads are ruining this one, and also D.C. and Puerto Rico should be states, so we should add more stars. | ||
| Grey does even bring up how our flag hasn't been consistent through the country's history and the current version's only like... | ||
| No, it's sacrosanct! | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The points brought up in this op-ed are things you can agree with or disagree with. | ||
| You can think it's a good idea to make a new flag or think it's a bad one, but in order for your reaction to rise to the level of racist outrage that Nick wants to engage in, you really do have to create a straw man version to attack, so that's what he's doing. | ||
| This isn't just an op-ed written by Macy Gray. | ||
| She's speaking for large groups of non-whites. | ||
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Sure. | |
| This isn't just an idea about a flag redesign. | ||
| It's secretly about replacing Independence Day with Juneteenth. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| Man, he will not like my interpretation of Lisa Left Eye and the correctness of burning down houses. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I'll tell you that right now, because I'm pretty sure I read an op-ed by Lisa Left Eye's ghost that said, Burn down Nick Fuentes' house. | ||
| How many shoes does he have? | ||
| I don't know! | ||
| Shoes plus bathtub equals... | ||
| It was in Benzinga, or whatever fucking finance website there are. | ||
| So here's Nick talking about the horrors that will happen because of this idea of possibly updating the flag. | ||
| Ooh, that's gonna scare me. | ||
| After this reaches its final destination, what do you have left? | ||
| Probably nothing before the 20th century. | ||
| Maybe nothing before the 21st century. | ||
| How long before they say that anything before Barack Obama is the new Confederate flag? | ||
| Anything before Barack Obama is the new Jefferson Davis? | ||
| Anything before Barack Obama is the new Ku Klux Klan? | ||
| How long before Juneteenth becoming a national holiday? | ||
| June 19th, 2021 is our new Independence Day. | ||
| And Barack Obama was our founding father. | ||
| What? | ||
| That seems to be where all of this is headed. | ||
| And tell me that it's me and Pat Buchanan and Michelle Malkin and the paleocons and Donald Trump fighting to preserve our white, European, Western, Christian identity as a nation. | ||
| And these people trying to destroy that and replace it with a black, foreign, non-white, liberation theology, post-colonial... | ||
| On the same side against who? | ||
| All these Jews and all these intellectuals and all these other people that don't believe in race? | ||
| All these boomer idiot conservatives that say that race isn't real and identity isn't real and we all have to build a new country on the fact that we buy Nike and we listen to popular music? | ||
| That's the nature of our struggle? | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| That was an astonishing amount of racism compacted into a very short period of time. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It is, I mean, these conversations and stuff like this is... | ||
| It's not unfamiliar to places like Stormfront or whatever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is what's on Alex's site now. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| This is what he's giving a channel to. | ||
| Straight up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Man. | ||
| I've realized, I think this is what I'm learning, is that there's just no way to talk to people like Nick Fuentes. | ||
| No, probably not. | ||
| You just can't do it. | ||
| What we gotta do, alright, here's my new plan. | ||
| Cesar Milan it. | ||
| Alright? | ||
| Whenever somebody's nearby and he's, like, saying some racist shit, you just poke him right in the neck and you're like, until he stops. | ||
| And then whenever he stops, you give him a nice little training treat. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, you gotta do it the old-fashioned, like, Skinner, straight-up behavioral fucking modification. | ||
| That's what we gotta do! | ||
| That's the only way. | ||
| I mean, I think that... | ||
| I did make a reference to Danny the dog on our last episode, so maybe I'm wrong about that. | ||
| I think that what you just said will be interpreted by someone like Nick as being like, they want to put us in retraining camps. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| I just think... | ||
| I want to put you in dog camps. | ||
| Alright, this is Jordan's opinion. | ||
| So, I think, like, I was watching that, and I was like, this is pretty, I mean, this is a distortion of what was being said in the op-ed. | ||
| That's being used specifically for the reasons of being able to create this backlash argument. | ||
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| And I was like, wow, that's a... | ||
| A distortion that turns into wholesale fabrication on top of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, I thought this was pretty bad, just like as a first volley. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But I was like, hey, what else is going on over here on the old Fuentes channel? | ||
| And then I saw this video, the screenshot of it, the image. | ||
| It's Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene. | ||
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| An arrow pointing to Matt Gaetz. | ||
| It says, Grifter. | ||
| And an arrow pointing to Marjorie Taylor Greene that says, Fake. | ||
| And it says, These people are not America first. | ||
| And the title of the video is, Wake Up! | ||
| The Holocaust Religion is Antithetical to America First. | ||
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| Bark! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's about all I got for that. | ||
| So here's a little bit of that clip. | ||
| These people are not America first. | ||
| You can't be America first and go out weeping and apologizing about the Holocaust Museum. | ||
| The Holocaust happened on another continent 100 years ago. | ||
| There's a genocide being perpetrated now against Americans, and no one even cares. | ||
| And you think that's an exaggeration? | ||
| Marjorie Taylor Greene was called out because she compared the vaccine mandate to the Holocaust. | ||
| Do you think it's a little bit comparable that today in America, white people are not allowed to get COVID stimulus money from the government? | ||
| No. | ||
| Do you think that's a little bit comparable? | ||
| No. | ||
| That if you're a white person and you call your bank and say, I'd like to apply for the personal paycheck protection program loan for self-employed people, and they'll tell you... | ||
| You're white. | ||
| You're not eligible to apply. | ||
| You think that's a little similar? | ||
| You think if you're a farmer or a restaurant owner and you call up your bank and say, I'd like to apply for the COVID relief because the government wrecked the economy, and they say you're not eligible to apply because you're white, that that's a little bit the same? | ||
| I was unaware that white people couldn't get COVID stimulus money. | ||
| And in fact, I actually know many white people, some individual citizens and some small business owners, who actually did get loans and stimulus money. | ||
| So I have no idea what Nick was talking about. | ||
| I know plenty. | ||
| I know plenty. | ||
| So I tried to look into this a little bit, and I found a couple of stories that kind of are the opposite of what Nick is talking about. | ||
| The LA Times reported in April 2020 that U.S. citizens who are immigrants and are married to non-citizens were specifically excluded from Trump's financial relief package. | ||
| That covered over one million citizens who were cut out. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say, my problem with Nick's first thought that white people can't get it is that It is mathematically impossible that the vast majority of those funds did not go to white people. | ||
| Do you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, the vast majority went to white people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What Nick is talking about was a provision of the COVID relief bill that provided $5 billion in relief to, quote, disadvantaged farmers, approximately a quarter of whom are black. | ||
| From an article in the Washington Post, Yeah, the farm version of redlining. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Discrimination started a century ago with a series of federal homestead acts that offered mainly white settlers deeply subsidized land. | |
| Since then, local U.S. departments of agriculture offices charged with distributing loans have frequently been found to deny. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| farmers don't have clear title to their land, which makes them ineligible for certain USDA loans to purchase livestock or cover the cost of planting, and they have seldom benefited from subsidy payments or trade mitigation compensation. | ||
| Almost all of President Donald Trump's $28 billion bailout for those affected by the China trade war went to white farmers. | ||
| According to the assessment they cite, the average white farmer received $3,398 from Trump's bailout, while the average black farmer received $422. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's a larger problem regarding how independent agriculture is treated in this country regardless of race, and that's something that we do absolutely have to work on. | ||
| But it's also completely absurd to look at the history of black farming in America and not recognize that there was a concerted attempt to exclude black people from having access to and participating in that market. | ||
| You can be against this if you want. | ||
| As Nick clearly does want. | ||
| But to frame opposition to the provision of the COVID relief bill as white people are being genocided because they can't get COVID stimulus, that's a little bit much. | ||
| Considering this is also just a $5 billion provision in a $1.9 trillion bill. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I guess maybe if he's talking about something else where all white people couldn't get COVID relief. | ||
| I don't know what that is, though. | ||
| I know that this was a big talking point among his community and his crowd. | ||
| Yeah, I really despise... | ||
| I really despise that the people most obsessed with portraying themselves as, like, self... | ||
| Sustaining fucking amazing individualists only ever seem to follow whiny cowards who pick the tiniest bullshit to then tell them that every victimization that they've ever imagined is true. | ||
| And they're all a bunch of morons, and I hate it. | ||
| I hate it. | ||
| I hate it! | ||
| It's infuriating, and I think you're going to have a real tough time with some of the rest of the stuff we're going to be talking about. | ||
| So here's what I think might be a good idea. | ||
| This might be an instance of an episode where it's all mic down. | ||
| No interruption over any clips. | ||
| I feel like an interruption, but from afar. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because otherwise, I'm pretty sure you're going to yell over a lot of this. | ||
| And I would like to present Nick in his own words. | ||
| I don't want to show a distorted version. | ||
| It's not an Alex yelling over Brian Stelter show. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| And I don't know if you, and I'm not saying this is a failing on your part, I don't know if you'd be able to stop yourself. | ||
| I'm not worried that I will not be heard, no matter where the microphone is. | ||
| As a default, keep it a little bit away from you, is all I'm saying, because we're about to get it to a mess. | ||
| How? | ||
| How is this possible? | ||
| So Nick put out a video that's got some real emotional music behind it, and it is a plea about how the system hates white people. | ||
| The system hates them. | ||
| Which system? | ||
| The system. | ||
| The system. | ||
| Which system is that? | ||
| The system of my heart? | ||
| The system. | ||
| You just gotta understand, it's the system. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, here's where we're gonna begin on this. | ||
| And I've cut out very little from this seven-minute report. | ||
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| A couple of little bits I did, but they were where he's just repeating himself, essentially. | ||
| Here's the beginning, and oh boy. | ||
| Let's just call what it is. | ||
| The system hates white people. | ||
| It's just what it is. | ||
| And everybody wants to call it everything other than that. | ||
| They want to call it everything other than what it is. | ||
| You may hear conservatives talk about cultural Marxism. | ||
| Critical race theory. | ||
| That's the new one. | ||
| Gotta ban critical race theory. | ||
| CRT. | ||
| And critical race theory has Marxist origins. | ||
| It's socialism. | ||
| It's communism. | ||
| It's anti-Western. | ||
| It's anti-Western civilization. | ||
| Anti-Western culture. | ||
| Conservatives even will call it anything other than what it is. | ||
| Because it's not politically correct to say what it is. | ||
| You can't utter it in polite society. | ||
| But we all know what it is. | ||
| It's racial. | ||
| It's racial hatred. | ||
| They hate white people. | ||
| This little boy, Cash Gurnan, was murdered, dragged out of his bed. | ||
| In the middle of the night in his home and murdered outside his house in the street by a black man because he was white. | ||
| That black guy killed a white boy because he was white. | ||
| And this black guy hated white people. | ||
| That's why he did it. | ||
| It was an act of hatred. | ||
| It wasn't random. | ||
| It was an act of racial hatred perpetrated by a black male against a white boy. | ||
| And why is everybody so afraid to call it that? | ||
| Of course that's what it is. | ||
| So there's one really important thing that needs to be kept in mind entirely as we discuss this situation, and that is that this case is pretty recent. | ||
| At this point, there is a suspect who's been arrested and charged, but he's not been found guilty. | ||
| And while it may very well turn out to be the case that this 18-year-old Darren Brown did in fact kill this 4-year-old child, Nick Fuentes is making a lot of assumptions about the circumstances in order to make this child's death an emotionally resonant centerpiece for his white identity propaganda. | ||
| So the woman taking care of the child, the circumstance here is basically that... | ||
| The woman was the girlfriend of the child's parent, and the child's parent father had left. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Town. | ||
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| And so she was taking care of the kid at the time. | ||
| And so this woman, she identified Brown from a surveillance footage of the child being taken from his crib. | ||
| And she knew Brown because he was friends with her son. | ||
| Additionally, police have stated that sunglasses, shoes, and hoodie that were taken from Brown after a search tested positive for the child's blood. | ||
| So it does look like there's a decent case coming together that he may be guilty. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Court will determine what it determines, but a case is being built. | ||
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| That said, even if you are to break with the American tradition, Nick loves America, you break with that tradition of presuming innocence until a court finds someone guilty, and you decide that he is definitely the murderer, it's still super unfair the way Nick is presenting this case. | ||
| Nick is saying that Brown killed this four-year-old child because the child was white and that he hated white people. | ||
| I've read a number of pieces about this case and I don't know where Nick could possibly be getting that from. | ||
| What seems much more likely is that Darren Brown is somebody who is experiencing a terrifying and awful mental disturbance. | ||
| In February of this year Brown was also alleged to have broken into another home nearby and appeared to be in the middle of a burglary when he was confronted by the homeowner. | ||
| They got into a quarrel and Brown was removed from the house. | ||
| Thereupon, he re-entered and attempted to take the man's two-year-old granddaughter. | ||
| The grandfather fought Brown off and protected the young child, but decided not to press charges at that time. | ||
| From a CBS article about the situation, quote, Two weeks after the incident, the man ran into Brown at Walmart. | ||
| He told police that Brown approached him and apologized, saying he was sorry for breaking into his house and trying to take his grandchild. | ||
| Additionally, another neighbor, Jose Alvarado, decided to check his security cameras after the murder to see if he could find anything. | ||
| Ten weeks prior to the murder, he found video of Brown, quote, skulking down the street, opening Alvarado's backyard gate and peering in before quickly walking away. | ||
| Alvarado has multiple young children. | ||
| Brown's mother has also stated that he's a patient at an adult treatment center, and there have been some speculations that he may be schizophrenic. | ||
| All of the details of this story are absent from Nick's version of it because those are indications that maybe there's more to this case than just a matter of relative skin colors of victim and alleged perpetrator. | ||
| Nick doesn't want to tell people about the multiple other instances in that neighborhood of Brown appearing to be trying to take children because it would overcomplicate the story and make it no longer useful for him to use as a prop that he needs to justify his white identity anger. | ||
| And that anger is something he's felt long before. | ||
| this case ever came along. | ||
| I'm all for humanizing victims of crimes, and I think that what happened here is a complete unqualified tragedy. | ||
| From all available evidence, I just don't see any support for the version of the story that Nick is telling where this is a racially motivated crime. | ||
| By insisting that this crime is motivated by racial hate towards white people from black people, what Nick is attempting to do is take the justifiable and understandable emotional reaction that a listener might have to hearing about this case, that he wants to transform that into anger at black people and a defensiveness about being white. | ||
| He's effectively trying to use this child's death as fuel for his racism machine, which I find repulsive. | ||
| One of the main points I want to make here is that all the information that I reviewed, I can find no indication that would lead me to make the assumption that Nick is making about the motive of this case. | ||
| Articles often even include a comment from Cameron, the son of... | ||
| of the woman who was watching the child at the time. | ||
| Cameron also went to school with Brown. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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| I think they were even the same age. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Cameron was asked about a possible motive and he said, quote, random. | |
| Yes. | ||
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Random out of nowhere for no reason. | |
| There's no reason for none of this. | ||
| It's not from revenge, not from hate, not from none of that. | ||
| Nothing to get back at us. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Because the reality is that Nick doesn't care about this story at all, outside of how he can use it to push his worldview. | ||
| He doesn't care about this child or his family. | ||
| He doesn't care about any of the pain that anyone involved is feeling. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, this is... | ||
| It's fucked up, and it's an assault. | ||
| It's an assault in the sense that... | ||
| The way that you interact with this story, if you are at all an empathetic person, is to hear the story and just feel nothing but heartbreak for everyone involved. | ||
| Terror. | ||
| It's just absolutely nightmarish. | ||
| And then for somebody with a mental illness, that kind of other terror of, like, there but for the grace. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| But whenever Nick Fuentes gets involved... | ||
| You can't experience that empathy. | ||
| He blocks it by forcing you to feel nothing but rage either at something or at him. | ||
| It is like if you are wandering... | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| It's like if you're wandering up to somebody who is bleeding out on the fucking ground and then you have somebody just barge in and tell you why it's okay for them to be dying and you don't have time to help that person out because you're too busy trying to fight off how fucking awful this person is as they try and kill them. | ||
| That's a fascinating... | ||
| And I guess that kind of gets into a little bit of the difference in our reactions. | ||
| Because I don't get that anger at Nick. | ||
| I mean, I understand it, but that's not my immediate reaction. | ||
| My immediate reaction is, let's see what the details of the story are. | ||
| And I think a lot of people probably do respond the same way that you're talking about. | ||
| That's probably why he acts like such a big troll, is to elicit that angry response. | ||
| That does not allow you to deal with the reality of the situations that he's covered. | ||
| I can't go, I can't do any good. | ||
| All I can do is feel fury at this human being that is exploiting people who I also can't help and just feel rage about it. | ||
| It doesn't help anybody do anything and it's simply an assault on everyone who listens. | ||
| It is an assault! | ||
| And that's what fucking drives me so insane when we're talking about, like, illegality and freedom of speech and all that shit. | ||
| This is an absolute fucking override of any humanity. | ||
| Yeah, and maybe that's the lesson, or maybe that's something that's good to recognize, is that anger is okay to feel, but in its absence... | ||
| It's meaningless. | ||
| It's playing into the hands of the people like Nick Fuentes if all you do is feel like a fuck you at him or whatever. | ||
| Now I can't help that person who's bleeding out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All I have is fury. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There needs to be a recognition of, not a... | ||
| You can't feel bad at yourself because you're angry at them. | ||
| But there needs to be another layer to it. | ||
| And that brings you to a resentment. | ||
| My first reaction to him talking about this story is that I can't allow myself to feel that full, open empathy towards the subject of his story. | ||
| Because if I do, that's his trap. | ||
| And so my reaction to that, of course, is fury, because you're taking away my ability to even be a human being. | ||
| You're forcing me to focus on your bullshit. | ||
| And then I feel a resentment that, what am I doing being angry? | ||
| This anger doesn't solve anything. | ||
| It doesn't help us. | ||
| It doesn't help him. | ||
| It doesn't help the person who's suffering. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| It's a fucking assault. | ||
| So this goes on. | ||
| I'm doing great. | ||
| I'm going to put my mic down for the next two or three hours. | ||
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| So this video continues with its very dramatic music. | ||
| What has been engendered in the population for the past two years? | ||
| What's been engendered in the population for the past 30 years? | ||
| Other than anti-white hatred. | ||
| What are people learning in the schools? | ||
| When you go to grade school and you go to American history class, what do you learn about? | ||
| In the new Howard Zinn curriculum, you learn about how white people genocided the indigenous Americans. | ||
| White people enslaved black people and brought them over here. | ||
| Once freed by whites, whites mistreated blacks by being racist towards them, terrorizing them, segregating them, making them Real quick, so far this is just a list of things that are real. | ||
| And it's not like in school that's all you learn. | ||
| No, you also learn other stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Is his problem that people just all... | ||
| His argument is people always, always only talk about how bad white people are. | ||
| Why don't we get rid of that part and just talk about how great white people are? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| That's his argument. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I hate him. | ||
| And it was white. | ||
| It was because they were Aryan. | ||
| It's because they were white supremacists. | ||
| Because they believed in racial purity of the Aryan race, that made them uniquely evil. | ||
| They perpetrated the Holocaust against Jews. | ||
| And that was, by far and away, the most obscene, worst genocide ever in the history of the world. | ||
| And then, when all was said and done, white people were racist to the Muslims that blew up the World Trade Center. | ||
| White people are racist to black criminals and the police. | ||
| Basically, people are bred from cradle until grave, thinking that white people are uniquely evil people. | ||
| White people bear a special guilt for all the problems of this country, all the problems of every other group, and really, like, all the problems of humanity. | ||
| This is, like, legitimately indistinguishable from, like, white supremacist propaganda that was coming out, like, ten years ago. | ||
| Just throwing it out there. | ||
| This is identical to video. | ||
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It's identical to fucking Goebbels. | |
| Like, this is nuts. | ||
| Also, just that fucking... | ||
| From when they're very young, kids are taught that white people are bad. | ||
| I just want him to follow that up with, and I'm here to prove they're right. | ||
| Like, that's all you're doing is just... | ||
| Listen, here's all the stuff white people... | ||
| And the fact that he said... | ||
| And he said this is the sequence of events is black people were enslaved, white people freed them, and then white people started to treat them poorly. | ||
| That was his and then. | ||
| That was his and then. | ||
| It's an interesting chain of events. | ||
| Interesting perspective. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So this goes on, unfortunately. | ||
| And it's as a consequence of this that these things are becoming more and more common. | ||
| White people are being dehumanized. | ||
| And when white people are dehumanized, black people are going to start killing white people because they see them as less than human. | ||
| And other people are going to start killing white people because they see them as less than human. | ||
| How much do you want to bet that this, uh, whatever his name is, That's the consequence of all this anti-white hatred and dehumanization in the media, education system. | ||
| And it's even enshrined in the law, systematically, through the government. | ||
| I mean, what do you think affirmative action is? | ||
| So Nick is just making up details, circumstances, motives for this murder, and then using those assumptions as justification that, like, it proves his white people are being dehumanized. | ||
| See? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| What? | ||
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Yep. | |
| This is nonsense. | ||
| I do love a full and complete admission that they are aware of what they're doing and are doing it on purpose. | ||
| Just that, like, see? | ||
| Black people are trying to dehumanize white people, and when you dehumanize a group of people, they start getting killed. | ||
| Immediately after being like, oh, everybody cares about the Holocaust. | ||
| Like, it's a big deal. | ||
| I fucking hate him. | ||
| I hate him so much. | ||
| He's so fucking stupid. | ||
| That's an interesting implication that I don't think he was aware of. | ||
| So fucking stupid. | ||
| So, Nick warns that because this dehumanization against white people is happening, it's going to be a problem when this country is no longer white. | ||
| But here's the problem. | ||
| This is not going to be a white country forever. | ||
| And it's not going to be a white country for very much longer. | ||
| In a lot of places, it already isn't. | ||
| And in a lot of ways it already isn't a white country anymore. | ||
| And as the percentage and proportion of white people diminishes in America relative to non-white people it's going to become more and more of a problem for white people that non-white people don't like us. | ||
| It's just that simple. | ||
| I think that white and non-white people largely don't like white people like Nick. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It has nothing to do with him being white. | ||
| It has everything to do with his positions and his beliefs that are abhorrent. | ||
| This goes back to a few conversations that I've had with the terrible comedians in the circle of the Joe Rogan sphere, that kind of thing, where ultimately what he's really boiling this down to is a theory that he doesn't want to say straight out right. | ||
| But basically, white people, we kind of have it coming. | ||
| And if they have the numbers, they'll do what we would do in this situation, which is kill everybody. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| That's their, like, ultimate logic of, like, if we are at any moment weak enough... | ||
| And that's why one of Nick's primary political motivations and one of the things that is, like, a primary goal is retaining white supremacy over all levers of power. | ||
| Because he thinks, like, oh, as soon as we're in the minority, We're going to do what I would want to do. | ||
| What we would do! | ||
| Yeah, it's a tacit admission that they're genocidal and that they kind of actually have internalized all the guilt that they're blaming other people for and recognizing that, you know what? | ||
| White people may have a little bit coming their way. | ||
| Boy, it does feel like that is something behind Nick's politics. | ||
| It's so much like, it's... | ||
| Like, as he's complaining about the education system in critical race theory, he's just listing all the things that white people have done that are evil, and he's not even bringing up, like, and here's how to balance that out. | ||
| He's not doing that at all. | ||
| He's just throwing the great replacement theory out with the underpinning that... | ||
| White people are genocidal monsters who maybe have some coming their way. | ||
| Like, that's his understanding. | ||
| Right, but he's also, I mean, one of the things that I always resent is, like, that notion that, like, all you learn in school is these negative things about white people. | ||
| And anybody who makes that point is willfully ignoring all of the very positive things you learn about white history and all of the negative things you learn about other cultures. | ||
| You learn... | ||
| All sorts of things in school if you actually do the reading. | ||
| I remember all too often in my elementary school history books hearing barbarian applied to non-United States citizens often. | ||
| Yeah, it's the same kind of thinking that leads you to be like... | ||
| You see one Gillette commercial with an interracial couple, and you're like, why are they trying to push this on me? | ||
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They're in every commercial. | |
| It's selective. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And they definitely don't put in all the times that white people are propped up and told about how great white people are whenever the real history, you look a little bit further into it and it's like, oh, all the work was done by non-white people. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| So here's how this video ends. | ||
| The media attacks white people. | ||
| They say that white people cause the suffering of non-white people. | ||
| Increasingly, non-white people don't like white people. | ||
| Nobody talks about that. | ||
| Increasingly? | ||
| But we know that non-white people largely regard white people as suspicion, distrust, in some cases, just don't like them, pay them. | ||
| Nobody wants to say that. | ||
| People are very comfortable talking about racism against blacks or other non-whites. | ||
| But nobody talks about the... | ||
| The distrust. | ||
| Nobody talks about the resentment that non-white people have for white people in the country. | ||
| And it's not everybody, but it is a lot of people, and everyone knows that. | ||
| As the population becomes less and less white, and as the people in charge of the country and the people enforcing the laws of the people in charge of the country become less and less white, that's going to matter a lot more. | ||
| These are not foreign ideas to the rhetoric that Alex uses. | ||
| It's just way more explicit. | ||
| Way more explicit. | ||
| It is overt. | ||
| He's saying the parts that Alex likes to obscure with. | ||
| Yeah, this is not the quiet part loud. | ||
| This is the quiet part screamed through a bullhorn on top of a fucking mountain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So Nick posted also on here, on this band.video page of his, they posted a video. | ||
| A little clip of him giving a speech at the America First Political Action Conference. | ||
| It's so funny, because in the real world, if you heard a video like that, you don't hear about a follow-up video. | ||
| This would be like if this is immediately after Michael Richards, and we were done discussing that clip, and you're like, alright, so the next night he was back at the Laugh Factory. | ||
| He was booked again. | ||
| Yeah, you're like, no! | ||
| This is the end! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Cancel culture is out of control. | ||
| It's out of control. | ||
| Out of control. | ||
| Out of control. | ||
| So Nick posted a video of him giving a speech. | ||
| Again, mic down for this. | ||
| I'm going to play this entire clip in its totality. | ||
| There's a two-minute clip that he posted titled, We Are the Americans. | ||
| This is terrifying. | ||
| Like, this is at him. | ||
| Segregation then! | ||
| Segregation now! | ||
| Segregation forever! | ||
| America, put simply, is a particular people in a particular place. | ||
| It's really that simple. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| We are the Americans, and America is the home of the Americans. | ||
| That's what it means to be America. | ||
| America is one people, one nation, on this continent. | ||
| Forged over hundreds of years by shared experiences, descended from an English cultural framework and influenced by European civilization. | ||
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applause America is a Christian nation. | |
| And that's not just... | ||
| I'm just a slogan. | ||
| When I say that America is a Christian nation, I'm saying that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and this is one nation under that God. | ||
| Say his name. | ||
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Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause So if America ceases to be this people, To retain that English cultural framework and the influence of European civilization, if it loses its white demographic core, | |
| and if it loses its faith in Jesus Christ, then this is not America anymore. | ||
| That is about as overt as you can get in terms of making... | ||
| A non-slur-filled speech where you're advocating for a white ethno-state that is a theocracy. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| You can't... | ||
| I think somebody's been reading their Henry Ford tracks. | ||
| I think somebody's really been going back to those sweet old days of, why don't we join the Nazis? | ||
| Come on, they're good people, we're good people, parentheses white. | ||
| And it's great! | ||
| There's an interesting thing that I wrestle with as I was sort of watching these videos, and that is like, how much of this is Alex aware of? | ||
| And how much of this is just like, I don't fucking care, Nick's popular. | ||
| Put his videos up. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It seems like if I were him, I would think this is bad for business. | ||
| It's a little too overt. | ||
| See, now, this is kind of... | ||
| But then again, Harrison was doing that shit, too. | ||
| My vibe on this is this is Alex fully dipping that toe into, like, can I... | ||
| So if Nick Fuentes is clearly trying to steal my audience... | ||
| Right. | ||
| If there's one thing I do believe Alex is smart about, it's knowing when people are... | ||
| Yeah, knowing when people are stealing his money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| And knowing at least some elementary ways that he can sort of work with and co-opt things. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I think it's looking like, to me, that Alex is putting that stuff up to gauge what level... | ||
| Because look, Owen and Harrison ain't doing shit. | ||
| So let's gauge what level of out-and-out white supremacy will do for us, and maybe we have a whole new wing of the show! | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I think that a while back, we had sort of a sense that, like, well, I think this deplatforming has a decent chance of Alex eventually just realizing, fuck it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck it, speak freely. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| It's just us here. | ||
| I don't know if this should be taken as a sign of that, but it feels like it could be. | ||
| It really does. | ||
| Because this is a bit much. | ||
| And you think about, like, okay, so, end the day. | ||
| In the old salad days of 2017. | ||
| Back when we were young and bright and fresh-faced. | ||
| You had Alex Jones' show, you had Incompetent Ass Owen Schroyer, and then you had Boring David Knight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This would not have flown at that point. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Here's what we do. | ||
| It's amazing the deterioration towards just outright... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But, I mean, it's been... | ||
| That's America. | ||
| Like, as we've... | ||
| Alex has dominated the United States. | ||
| I genuinely believe that, at a certain point, Alex overtook his line of propaganda. | ||
| No, naturally. | ||
| But that, like, straight-up, conspiracy-laden, white nationalist-only is absolutely... | ||
| Just taking over that wing. | ||
| As we watched Alex go from having Jakari Jackson on his show to now, where I'm pitching him a Jakari-Nick Fuentes double-hander, and we see how that goes, I mean, so is the culture. | ||
| The culture at large has done the same thing. | ||
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| It's fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| So we got one last video of Nick's. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| This one's about pride parades. | ||
| Well, I'm sure his takes are gonna be... | ||
| You know, these people just delight in terrifying us with those chants. | ||
| I really think... | ||
| Oh, the Christ is King chant? | ||
| They love that shit. | ||
| They love that shit. | ||
| That's creepy. | ||
| The merging of sort of... | ||
| Ethnic demographic anxiety and terror, the hyper-nationalism, the Christian extremism. | ||
| It's very similar to what Thomas Jefferson was talking about. | ||
| It definitely doesn't... | ||
| Lead to bad outcomes, generally. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| So, also, Nick is a big old homophobe. | ||
| That's not surprising. | ||
| Somebody giving a speech that winds up having a Christ is King breakbeat? | ||
| You know, like fucking Leonard Hubbard is putting a nice tasty lick underneath it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would say that this video even surprised me. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| In terms of its scope. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| So it starts off with... | ||
| Our country is being stolen from us. | ||
| And that's not just rhetoric. | ||
| Our country is being stolen from us. | ||
| Our schools, our neighborhoods, our places of business, our economy, our government, our sovereignty, our country is being taken from us. | ||
| It was ours at one point. | ||
| It belonged to our ancestors, and now it doesn't belong to us. | ||
| It belongs to foreigners. | ||
| It belongs to the elite who hate us. | ||
| Our country is being taken. | ||
| And do not underestimate what that means, in particular when it comes to this agenda. | ||
| They would have it, if they could, that all of your children would be indoctrinated with trans and gay ideology. | ||
| Think about a person like James Younger, the 8-year-old in Texas, who is being forced by his mother under the order of a court to undergo chemical castration with hormone replacement therapy to prevent him from going into puberty. | ||
| These are the kinds of horror shows, tragedies, the abominations that are occurring. | ||
| We talked about the younger case a while back. | ||
| It wasn't about a child being forced to take hormone replacement. | ||
| It was a situation where the child's parents disagreed on the best path to take in terms of transition, with the father wanting to take a more gradual, watchful waiting approach, and the mother wanting to engage in social affirmation. | ||
| I've looked into the case and I don't really feel comfortable about how much of the conversation is wrapped up in a clearly ugly divorce between the two parents. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| I am not going to engage with this use of the child as a proxy fight between the two adults. | ||
| That's fucked. | ||
| The larger point here, though, is that it's important to notice and recognize this case has nothing to do with forcing a child to transition or take puberty blockers against their will. | ||
| This is just a prop, again, that Nick is using. | ||
| Another white child that he's using as, like, look what they're doing. | ||
| Oh, it's almost as bad as a blue-eyed, blonde-haired child being abducted at the border. | ||
| Which totally happened. | ||
| Totally happened. | ||
| Alex got video on it. | ||
| 100% happened. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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So this goes on. | |
| This is, oh, man. | ||
| At what point are the good and decent and Christian conservative people of this country going to stand up and say, that's enough? | ||
| And not ask respectful questions, and not have a civil debate, and not be polite, but to say that this cannot go forward one more inch. | ||
| The conservative movement is broadly Christian, and you can't find a lot of devout Christians, social conservatives, or anybody that believes anything remotely like the country, or like the base, within the leadership of the party. | ||
| That's why you get stuff like this. | ||
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We're talking about sick stuff. | |
| And I'm not going to be respectful of what they're up to. | ||
| I'm not going to be respectful of their anti-God, anti-family, anti-human, anti-conservative agenda. | ||
| We have to say no not just to trans kids in girl sports, and not just no to the government forcibly transitioning children. | ||
| We have to say no to transitioning, period. | ||
| And say no to trans, period. | ||
| You cannot transition. | ||
| You cannot transition to other genders. | ||
| We have to say no to homosexuality. | ||
| We have to say no to lesbians. | ||
| We have to say no... | ||
| No to the whole thing. | ||
| What they're pushing is something that is the antithesis of a traditional Christian moral worldview. | ||
| Okay, so now we have spiraled into say no to all trans people, their very existence, validity, and also gays and lesbians who've gone pretty far down this road here. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All non-straight whites should be eradicated is not a good starting point for consensus, I would say. | ||
| I feel like holding these sorts of positions are going to make people not like you. | ||
| I would say maybe they would make everybody not like you. | ||
| And in fact, you would need to have history books specifically written about assholes like you to get people away from you. | ||
| So the issue is that the family, right? | ||
| The family is what's important. | ||
| And, you know... | ||
| Nick's tried. | ||
| Nick's tried to be tolerant. | ||
| Tell me about it. | ||
| Tell me about it. | ||
| There's no compromise. | ||
| There is no meet-me-in-the-middle between families with biological men and women and men and women getting married and having kids and whatever the hell this is. | ||
| People are willing to put up. | ||
| They're willing to tolerate some of this. | ||
| They were willing to say maybe, okay, people want to get married. | ||
| That doesn't have anything to do with me. | ||
| Fast forward 15 years and the government is telling people we'll transition your children and cut their penises off and put them on hormone replacement therapy and not tell their parents and you have to be okay with that or you go to jail? | ||
| Well, you're pushing the limits of people's tolerance. | ||
| People have their limits and they're being pushed right now. | ||
| And the person who's going to stand up and say that when they run for office, that person, I think, is going to be a very popular politician. | ||
| I love the idea that... | ||
| There's something you brought up, I think, on the last episode, too, is that, like, this rewriting of the Christian position on gay marriage is amazing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| We've been tolerant. | ||
| Hey, we've given it our best go! | ||
| We've done, I mean, if you think about Christians and gay people up until this very moment, you will notice that there has been nothing but tolerance. | ||
| Sure, we've killed them and hunted them and made it illegal to be one of them. | ||
| Massive opposition to fundamental rights. | ||
| There was massive opposition to not being allowed to fire someone because they were gay. | ||
| Not even gay marriage, just not being allowed. | ||
| Being able to out and out destroy their lives just for being gay. | ||
| And that's being rewritten as Christians being tolerant. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| You can only push people so far. | ||
| It's kind of amazing how quickly conservatives forget things. | ||
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| It's almost as though it's expedience. | ||
| Almost like it's just a matter of convenience and whatever will make the argument. | ||
| Uh, now. | ||
| Yeah, you know, and Dan, we've talked about this before. | ||
| I hate it when people are like, I'm gonna challenge you to a charity boxing match. | ||
| That's stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What I am gonna do is I'm going to challenge Nick Fuentes into a charity I'm going to pee directly into his eyes off, alright? | ||
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| And whoever wins has to donate $10,000 to the Alley Forney Center. | ||
| I think you have an advantage because you have glasses. | ||
| I do have glasses. | ||
| And also, I will be the only person peeing into him. | ||
| And that's the whole game. | ||
| You better watch out, man. | ||
| He is from the Chicagoland area. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| He'll accept my challenge to let me pee directly into his eyes for a while. | ||
| I drink a lot of coffee, and I would take my time. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| I would be packing up for a 24-hour span. | ||
| If I were you, I would be more worried about him cornering you and telling you opinions. | ||
| Yeah, that would be more scary. | ||
| I'm not worried about him physically. | ||
| I don't think he's the... | ||
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| So this goes on. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| And that's ultimately what it comes down to. | ||
| It's easy to condemn the horns and the pitchfork. | ||
| It's not easy to condemn the rainbow flag and two people that just love each other. | ||
| It's not easy to do that. | ||
| That's why conservatives now tolerate and support homosexuality, transgenderism, and a number of other social ills. | ||
| Because they say, even though it's immoral, according to your own religion, if you're a Christian, they say, if it doesn't hurt somebody else... | ||
| If I'm not forced to partake in it, then it's okay. | ||
| But if you stand against evil, you have to stand against evil all the time. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| How funny is that? | ||
| How funny is that the entire message of your religion is so difficult to follow because you have basic human empathy? | ||
| It has nothing to do with your religion. | ||
| He's putting those two together. | ||
| He's saying that your religion demands you overcome caring about other people in order to eradicate their style of existence. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| His version of Christianity is tough. | ||
| It's hard to overcome what you would have to assume God gave you. | ||
| Which is an instinctual need to care for other human beings around you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then God demands you override that. | ||
| Well, that's why life is hard. | ||
| It's a test. | ||
| It's a fucking test. | ||
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| To kill as many people who disagree with you as possible. | ||
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| Great. | ||
| And it's not... | ||
| This is also, like, it should be clear. | ||
| Good God. | ||
| This isn't just Nick being mad about LGBTQ plus issues. | ||
| This goes far beyond that. | ||
| If you stand against evil, you have to stand against evil all the time. | ||
| It doesn't just end at transgender bathrooms or girls' locker rooms. | ||
| All of it has to go. | ||
| And not just trans, but gay too. | ||
| And not just trans and gay, but you know what else? | ||
| Promiscuity, abortion, feminism. | ||
| It all has to go. | ||
| Because if you take our worldview through to its logical conclusion, why can't transgender athletes compete in the girls' sports? | ||
| Because people can't transition. | ||
| And they can't transition because God made them a certain way. | ||
| And God made them different. | ||
| And the differences are real and significant and they matter. | ||
| And if the differences... | ||
| And so if women are born with a reproductive apparatus, and so far as we know that's the only way to continue the human population, they have to be making the babies. | ||
| And if they're making the babies, and they have a certain disposition to raise them, they've got to raise them too. | ||
| And that's a full-time job. | ||
| What they're doing is marginalizing normal Christian people. | ||
| They're marginalizing anybody that is not totally insane. | ||
| I mean, this, beyond just being outrageously bigoted towards all sorts of areas. | ||
| That's also just dumb. | ||
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| It's really dumb. | ||
| Oh, it's insane. | ||
| I would ask a follow-up question about this, and I would say, where is the line exactly on what you can and can't change about how God made you? | ||
| Can you take medicine? | ||
| No. | ||
| Can you dye your hair? | ||
| Can you cut your hair? | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, like, there are a number of things that seem to run afoul of his... | ||
| Can you get any kind of, like, cosmetic surgery? | ||
| Apparently not. | ||
| Can't get tattoos? | ||
| That's even in the Bible. | ||
| So I would ask about that, about the idea of changing how God made you. | ||
| See if we could figure out exactly where the line on that is. | ||
| Then I would ask, what does promiscuity mean? | ||
| How do you define that exactly? | ||
| And what exactly would you want to do about that? | ||
| Do you want to make sex? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| It's so insane to me how these dudes exist. | ||
| These are dudes who are absolutely screaming. | ||
| Absolutely screaming about returning to these Christian values that were their society ever to be implemented, they would be murdered immediately. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's a standard joke that people make about the fact that Nick Fuentes is Nick Fuentes. | ||
| Is a white nationalist with a Fuentes on his last name, you know? | ||
| It's something that people bring up quite often. | ||
| Yeah, it's like no matter, no matter, it's one of those just fucking classic fucked up brain stories that have been written about so much as that person who is like, My last name is Fuentes, but I want to be white so bad. | ||
| I'm going to try and be the most white. | ||
| I'm going to be too white. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| It's that classic fucking... | ||
| It's goddamn... | ||
| Greek. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Aeschylus is bothering me now. | ||
| I think you hear stuff like in that last clip, and it's just, it's like the implications of the actual thoughts that he has and the positions that he seems to be espousing for, like, and how dumb they would be in their application in the real world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His ideas are not really something you should take seriously. | ||
| Inviscuity should be outlawed and unacceptable and simple, normal people like the 50% of marriages that end in divorce. | ||
| Simple, normal, good Christians. | ||
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| I love, too, that he comes out of the sort of conservative wing that generally is in favor of smaller government. | ||
| I don't know how you enforce anti-promiscuity laws. | ||
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You would need soldiers on the streets. | |
| Maybe even children you would outfit by giving them tickets and taking them to an armory. | ||
| What I'm saying is I think a lot of the ideas themselves are stupid. | ||
| They're really dumb. | ||
| And they're not something you should take seriously. | ||
| But he's still someone that should be taken seriously outside of whether or not his ideas make sense or anything. | ||
| Because he's a terrifying human being. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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No, he's really nightmarish. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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I'm even really shocked at the amount of escalation and elevation he's been able to engage in in a very short way. | |
| He's somebody who I... | ||
| When he first showed up on Infowars, I was like, wow, this YouTube dickhole, Alex has given him a little bit of a platform. | ||
| And the path since then is not something that people should ignore. | ||
| And Alex getting involved to the level that he is, is playing with fire. | ||
| I know that Alex thinks, and he does have some skills in terms of co-option and recognizing ways to make things work best for him, but I don't know if he's met anyone like Nick before. | ||
| Well, I mean, there's a part of me that says this isn't exactly that new. | ||
| He even brings up Pat Buchanan. | ||
| There is an audience for this, and there always has been. | ||
| Pat Buchanan was a presidential candidate that they allowed at debates, and he was straight-up white nationalist and let's kill gay people all the time, you know? | ||
| You're not wrong, but the information space that exists now is so different than when Pat Buchanan was around. | ||
| Totally, totally. | ||
| And Pat Buchanan was an old ass, like, by the time that, you know, he was never a... | ||
| Quote, unquote, cool young boy. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Angry and full of enthusiasm and snarky talking. | ||
| I bet he was. | ||
| I bet in the 50s, everybody's like, Buchanan was so cool to hang out with, I fucking hate people. | ||
| He was a mean guy. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| In the 50s. | ||
| He was the carpe donctum of his era. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Yeah, so Nick gets around to talking about how transition is just impossible. | ||
| There's a lot of talk about TERFs, and I would say that Nick is... | ||
| Not even trans-exclusionary. | ||
| He's definitely not a feminist. | ||
| No. | ||
| He's just a big old phobe. | ||
| I mean, TERFs hate feminists, too. | ||
| He's just full of hate. | ||
| And this clip is where I really think it took a turn towards the, like, wow, I can't believe he's actually even just saying this. | ||
| I do not think that transgender and transsexual should be normalized. | ||
| I think it's morally wrong. | ||
| I think it is morally bankrupt. | ||
| You cannot transition from one gender to another. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| Yes, you can. | ||
| You are born a gender, and you die that gender. | ||
| And there's no crossing over. | ||
| You can put on a wig. | ||
| You can put on lipstick. | ||
| You can put on a dress. | ||
| It doesn't make you a woman. | ||
| We should not have it in our society. | ||
| We shouldn't have it on television. | ||
| We shouldn't have it in elected office. | ||
| And we should be passing laws to prevent this. | ||
| And the same goes for homosexuality. | ||
| And the same goes for abortion. | ||
| These things are wrong. | ||
| And we shouldn't have them in our society. | ||
| They shouldn't be glorified. | ||
| We should not get too comfortable with them. | ||
| They should not be normalized. | ||
| In fact, they should be marginalized. | ||
| And people should see them as what they are, which is gravely evil and disordered and misguided. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| I mean, bigotry is awful, and it's really terrible. | ||
| Support and calling for legislation that would outlaw trans existence, outlaw being gay, outlaw abortion, that's pretty... | ||
| Pretty serious. | ||
| I've got some brand new ideas for you, Dan. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Brand new ideas. | ||
| 2021, hot off the presses, never before tried. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Ideas like legislating against the existence of human beings. | ||
| No one's ever done that, and when they did do that, which I'm not saying they did, it went great. | ||
| See, the reason that people don't want to engage with people like Nick is because they're afraid of this kind of... | ||
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Brand new visionary thinking. | |
| Visionary thinking! | ||
| Yeah, really cutting-edge stuff. | ||
| What a fucking genius! | ||
| Here's what I think we should do. | ||
| Go back to the 80s! | ||
| So what you have is a guy who's very clearly racist, homophobe. | ||
| Transphobe. | ||
| Just a bigot. | ||
| Chauvinist fuck. | ||
| It's almost like he cares more about the bigotry than he does whatever the bigotry is about. | ||
| He just loves being a bigot. | ||
| It probably feels really good for him. | ||
| Gets him a lot of attention. | ||
| Gets him angry. | ||
| But you have that merging of all of these disparate bigotries and a desire to advocate for and work towards a governmental system that is theocratic in nature. | ||
| And operates in such a way that would have public laws against being gay. | ||
| Public laws against trans existence. | ||
| Public laws against feminism. | ||
| That's a terrifying prospect of what he is explicitly calling for. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So we have one last clip here from this report. | ||
| And then we'll get to a little bit of a breakdown. | ||
| Go for it. | ||
| The foundation of the civilization is the family. | ||
| And this much is obvious. | ||
| Where do children come from? | ||
| They don't come from factories. | ||
| They don't come from the government. | ||
| They don't come from corporations. | ||
| They don't come from farms. | ||
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They come from the womb of women. | |
| And they come from men and women, listenably, within marriage, you know, having sex. | ||
| That's the only way that they're created. | ||
| The only way that you get babies, the only way that you perpetuate a society... | ||
| That's how you get society. | ||
| That is society. | ||
| That is how society propagates itself. | ||
| That's how it perpetuates itself. | ||
| The elemental foundation of the society. | ||
| And in order for that process to happen, for children to be created and for them to be raised and inculcated with the culture and to learn what they need to know for the transmission of knowledge, you need to have marriages, you need to have men, and you need to have women. | ||
| And by marriage, do not misunderstand what I mean. | ||
| The union of souls between one man and one woman in the church. | ||
| That's the only way that you get a society. | ||
| And anything that is opposed to that, anything that tries to confound that or confuse that or obfuscate that, is pure evil. | ||
| And that is the enemy of society. | ||
| I mean, I just don't even... | ||
| I mean, yeah, this guy needs to be stopped. | ||
| This is supervillain shit. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| Especially with the music behind it. | ||
| Yeah, if you saw that in a movie, you'd be like, okay, well, how do we stop this guy? | ||
| This is not a conversation where it's like, how do we engage with this bad guy? | ||
| It's not like, hey, Lex Luthor, let's have a dialogue. | ||
| A lot of times in stories, like in a fictitious setting, you'll see something like this once it's too late. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Once this person has already risen to power or something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And look. | ||
| This video is played in Times Square in the horror movie he thinks he's living in. | ||
| Yeah, and to be clear, saying need to stop Nick Fuentes, it's not a matter of hurting him or anything like that. | ||
| It's a matter of dealing with what he's doing in a way that is responsible. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| that there is that angry response that you very justifiably should have. | ||
| But then there's the other response, which is like, he wants you to be angry. | ||
| Don't be that angry at him and recognize how stupid a lot of these ideas are. | ||
| There's an impotent hatred and... | ||
| I honestly think that there's a huge resentment that he feels that most people don't actually agree with him. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. | ||
| Most people do accept that gay people exist. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Most people aren't. | ||
| Most people have the basic human empathy that his religion demands they ignore. | ||
| Well, his version of his religion. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Just to make sure people don't think that they think that Christianity is like... | ||
| Similar to what he believes. | ||
| If there's one thing that we know very clearly, Christianity is not a block religion. | ||
| It's not a monolithic identity. | ||
| There's 10 million types of Christianity. | ||
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So, I... | |
| I was surprised, honestly, because I know Nick a bit. | ||
| I'm aware of his stuff. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| I know what he believes, and I think it's gotten probably maybe even a little bit more overt in some ways from the last time I checked in on his content. | ||
| And it was bizarre to just click on band.video. | ||
| There's a section for him, and these videos are pretty easily accessible. | ||
| And whether Alex wants to take ownership of this or not... | ||
| He owns that website. | ||
| He's promoting this. | ||
| He's platforming this. | ||
| He's tacitly accepting this. | ||
| And he's profiting off it. | ||
| You know? | ||
| There is no other way around it. | ||
| Can we find out what tags he has on Fuentes' page? | ||
| Like, is there tags where it's like, if somebody's searching for white nationalists, this will show up. | ||
| Just saying. | ||
| Just tossing that out there. | ||
| It's going to be in the Google search results. | ||
| I think that Alex is aware that band.video doesn't show up in Google search results. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| It might have been delisted. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| So, I guess this works for Alex, as long as Nick doesn't put out any videos that completely undercut the basis of Alex's entire conspiratorial worldview. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| The Chi-Cos want to destroy America from within! | ||
| I texted this to a good friend of mine. | ||
| I said, these boomers are talking about China wants to destroy America from within. | ||
| And... | ||
| It's a good friend of mine. | ||
| He's one of the funniest guys I know. | ||
| He goes, I would give anything for the child comps to destroy America from within. | ||
| I'm like, I know, right? | ||
| And it's so true. | ||
| Ah, fun. | ||
| What a hilarious friend. | ||
| Just so funny. | ||
| Good luck with this guy, Alex. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So I texted my friend about the guy whose website you're watching this on. | ||
| This dumb boober. | ||
| This dumb moron who thinks that the chai comms are a problem. | ||
| This asshole. | ||
| I texted the person who is hosting this content that you are watching this video on. | ||
| I texted my funniest friends about the dumb shit. | ||
| The person who is hosting the content. | ||
| You are watching! | ||
| And we all laughed about how funny it was that he believes that and how we wish his conspiracy were true and we would be on the side of the bad guys in that conspiracy. | ||
| Okay, well, maybe Alex doesn't know about this one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what the deal is, but this is... | ||
| Pathetic and not good. | ||
| It does not bode well for the future. | ||
| I imagine if Alex finds out about that, we might be experiencing cancel culture. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| You might get the David Knight treatment. | ||
| Somebody's getting band.video from this band.video. | ||
| And you know who's going to come out ahead in that exchange? | ||
| Nick. | ||
| Anyway, I wanted to take a little bit of a break from Alex for a day, and so I wanted to check in on this. | ||
| And I knew that Nick had this channel, and I wanted to give it a little bit of time for some content to accumulate before we took a look at it. | ||
| And this is a cross-section of some of the stuff that's there. | ||
| It's extremely fucked up. | ||
| It is overt. | ||
| It is... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is not making any bones about what his positions are. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| Unbelievable that you can have a video right next to another video, and in one video you say, whenever they dehumanize white people, they think we're less than human, and that leads to white people being killed. | ||
| To the next video being like, trans people aren't actually people! | ||
| God demands that you get rid of them. | ||
| And we should codify into law. | ||
| Into law. | ||
| That they are less than human. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| So I was terrified by this, and I don't know, I'll check back in on his thing eventually. | ||
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| We'll see how this works out for these dum-dums. | ||
| There was a two-hour debate about the Middle East. | ||
| Between Nick and Barnes. | ||
| Boo! | ||
| The most boos. | ||
| I tried to watch a bit of it, and I was like, oh no, Barnes. | ||
| You don't know how good Nick is at this. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| Barnes is a shitty lawyer, even in the face of shitty lawyers. | ||
| He's fine, but Nick is... | ||
| He's the debate captain. | ||
| He's that fucking guy. | ||
| You don't want to... | ||
| Don't debate. | ||
| Don't mix up with him. | ||
| Barnes. | ||
| I'll debate him. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| No, stick to the IPA. | ||
| So, we'll be back, but until then, Jordan, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan. | ||
| Yep, we're on Facebook. | ||
| We are on Facebook! | ||
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| Yep, we'll be back, but until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, I'm Daryl Rundis. | ||
| And now, here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |