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July 2, 2021 - Knowledge Fight
01:24:34
#572: June 28-30, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss some of Alex Jones' recent antics. In this installment, Alex makes a bizarre on-air correction, and Dan breaks down what there is to learn from Alex's recent attempted publicity stunt in McAllen, TX.

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alex jones
15:32
d
dan friesen
47:33
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jordan holmes
15:46
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tim enlow
01:50
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andy in kansas
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
It's time to pray.
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding me.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
andy in kansas
I love your world.
unidentified
KnowledgeFight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Jordan.
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is forthcoming, actually.
We're recording this early on on Thursday.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
And so this evening we have our live D&D show.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And I was thinking about it.
I was reflecting on it a little bit as I was getting today's episode ready.
And it's so cool to be able to go back to the Lincoln Lodge, where we're doing it.
And I was thinking back to my early times doing stand-up, and one of the things that I feel really grateful for is that I was able to perform at the Lincoln restaurant before they moved.
jordan holmes
That's a piece of history.
dan friesen
What a great vibe and experience that was.
Just that room and the chaos of going to Rezzy's afterwards for a mystery beer.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
That was just a great, great thing.
I feel very lucky to have been just timing-based, really, to be around.
jordan holmes
Well, and talent-based.
I never did the Lincoln Restaurant.
dan friesen
To be fair, it was a little early for me to have done it.
I might not have.
I might not have had a tight 10 at that point.
jordan holmes
Sure, I don't think.
dan friesen
A loose 10, maybe?
Not a ton of people at the Lodge have had more than a tight 10. But yeah, it's something that I value in my memory.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it'll be nice to be able to get back on a stage for the first time in a very long time.
unidentified
Very.
dan friesen
And it'd be at their new venue, which I've not seen.
I don't know, but I've heard it's a nice place.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, my bright spot is the same.
A little bit of a different...
dan friesen
Except you'd never performed at the restaurant.
jordan holmes
Except I've never performed at the Lincoln Lodge before.
It's kind of funny that I did stand...
I've been up in Chicago for 10 years, and the only time I'm going to perform at the Lodge is because of a fucking D&D show.
dan friesen
Yep, yep.
jordan holmes
But I'm excited just because it's my first time back on stage.
dan friesen
You got booked at Chuck because you started a trivia night.
jordan holmes
Basically.
dan friesen
You're at CYSK calling bingo.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
That would be fun.
Marty behind me swinging a mic stand around like a dick saying B-24.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, whatever it is.
dan friesen
I-69!
Yeah, sorry.
I didn't derail you there.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Delightful.
No, I haven't been on stage in almost two years now.
It's longer for you, but two years is a long, long time, and so I'm nervous.
And one of the things that made me kind of just stop doing it slowly over time, just...
Stop going.
It's because every time I would have a show, I wouldn't be nervous or excited.
I'd be like, it was like I became one of those old road hacks, you know, where I'm just like, I'm just reciting words.
unidentified
Another day at the office.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
And I was like, this is dumb.
I shouldn't be like this.
So this is a new, this is back to that, you know, woo!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, it's cool.
dan friesen
I don't feel that way.
jordan holmes
Well, fine!
dan friesen
No, I mean, like, I just barely have a pulse.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's, you know, I don't...
jordan holmes
You're cool under pressure.
I get it.
dan friesen
It's not so much that.
jordan holmes
You're level-headed.
dan friesen
Whatever.
jordan holmes
You've got self-control.
dan friesen
I don't know.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an interesting bit of content of Alex's creation to go over.
And what we're going to be talking about is a little bit of June 28th.
jordan holmes
That was a tie.
I think that one was really close.
I was right on there reading your lips.
dan friesen
Then shit spirals out of control.
And we go to Wednesday.
Okay.
unidentified
And...
dan friesen
Just a total mess.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Total mess on Alex's part in the present day.
I'm excited to get into it, but before we do, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Wiggy Thigpin, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
Wiggy Thigpin!
dan friesen
I believe that's a side character on Peaky Blinders.
Wiggy Thigpin on Peaky Blinders.
jordan holmes
You haven't seen that.
You just know the reference.
dan friesen
I just know the name because it's a hilarious name.
Next, Stovetop Stovall and his kid Mighty Miles.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
We got two Peaky Blinders characters.
dan friesen
And a third.
Cookie Pocket the Cat.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Blimey!
Next, Rabbi Dave.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Rabbi Dave!
dan friesen
Next, Carl with a K, and the K is for Kentucky.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
The only Kentuckian Marxist, I believe.
dan friesen
The next person is, they challenged me to pronounce their last name because they think it's impossible.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I think I nailed it.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's Jacob Charizard.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Wait, Jacob, Charizard?
dan friesen
Charizard.
jordan holmes
Charizard.
Like the Pokemon?
dan friesen
Like the Pokemon.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right.
dan friesen
It's spelled a little bit differently, but I think it's phonetically used to be Charizard.
jordan holmes
All right, okay.
dan friesen
Next, Gabe, Michelle, and our new baby, Ellie.
alex jones
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much to the family.
dan friesen
Now, Jordan, we don't have any birthday shoutouts to do today, but...
We do have a happy anniversary to wish to Paul and Christine this weekend.
Having an anniversary weekend.
And I was thinking about it, and Alex is like, giving life is giving death.
jordan holmes
Giving love is taking it away.
dan friesen
Right.
Literally all marriages end either in divorce or death.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
None of them last forever.
dan friesen
This is Alex Jones' way of saying happy anniversary.
jordan holmes
No matter what, your marriage will fail.
alex jones
We are all dust.
dan friesen
Is their 17th?
jordan holmes
It's their 17th?
dan friesen
17th anniversary.
jordan holmes
What's Hallmark say for that one?
dan friesen
I'm glad you asked.
This is a good one, actually.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
When do you guess?
unidentified
17th.
dan friesen
Oh, let me see.
Let me pull up the list and see if I can give you some clues from around that point.
jordan holmes
Well, at this point, I guarantee something for an anniversary of pool supplies.
dan friesen
15th is crystal.
jordan holmes
15th is crystal?
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
I'll give you this.
18th, appliances.
jordan holmes
See, this is what I'm saying.
unidentified
It's between crystal and appliances.
jordan holmes
I'm going to have to go with light bulbs, Bob!
dan friesen
Light bulbs is a good guess.
On the board?
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Wine or spirits?
jordan holmes
That's every anniversary.
unidentified
Come on.
dan friesen
But, I mean, you've got to go hard.
jordan holmes
You've got to go hard on this one.
dan friesen
15th anniversary is lit.
jordan holmes
All right, I got you.
Some serious scotch whiskey is what we're going for.
dan friesen
So, happy anniversary, Paul and Christine.
Hope you have a great weekend.
Let's get down to business.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, we start on the 28th, and I'm going to be perfectly honest.
I listened to a bit of this show, and then I just lost my patience for it entirely.
I thought, like, we should jump ahead to Wednesday and talk about that, because there was some big news.
You had Rumsfeld dying.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You had Cosby getting out on the technicality.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Great job, Justice System.
dan friesen
You had some news that was like, this is going to be in Alex's wheelhouse.
Because these things are kind of difficult for Alex to work into his...
Prevailing narratives of, like, John McAfee was killed by Hillary.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Did Hillary also kill Donald Rumsfeld?
jordan holmes
I hope so.
dan friesen
Well, but I mean, like, how is this gonna work?
This isn't gonna play.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know if...
dan friesen
It's a high-profile death that's gonna be tough to fit into the matching game that he's been playing up to this point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like on one of those X-Y axes.
You have that data point that's just so far away from the curve that you're like, well, there's just nothing we can do about that one.
unidentified
But...
dan friesen
It's so important as a person who is dying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So I was interested in seeing that, so I just jumped ahead to the 30th.
And we'll see what happened.
So here we start on the 28th.
Here's where Alex is at.
alex jones
Okay, Joe Biden.
He's a globalist.
Joe Biden wants to sell the country out.
He wants to dissolve the nation, basically, as it stands.
jordan holmes
Don't you want that?
alex jones
A large swath of the Pentagon is sick of being in the Middle East, is sick of the 20-year war in Afghanistan, and they've been putting major pressure on the deep state to get us out of there.
Because all it does is kill U.S. troops, and it's designed to bankrupt the U.S. economy.
So Biden shut down a bunch of our pipelines.
Biden's opened the borders up.
He told the illegal aliens to surge the border as soon as he got in.
He's working to destroy the country.
But at least for now, when it comes to pulling out of Afghanistan, his administration came out Friday and said, it's an unwinnable war.
There's no strategy.
There's no reason to be there.
We are pulling out.
That is good.
dan friesen
So this is how Alex reports good news about Biden.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
Something that he agrees with has to be couched in.
He's also destroying the country, but...
There's so many people at the Pentagon who are tired of this.
I thought the Pentagon declared war on the American people.
jordan holmes
No, that's a different Pentagon.
That's the deep state Pentagon.
This is the patriot Pentagon.
This is the good guys who are putting pressure on Biden.
dan friesen
Alex can't even enjoy a good, hey, this is a positive.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Whenever you have cast your enemy as the...
Servants of literal Satan, it can't be like, well, that one's a win.
dan friesen
Now, why is the devil doing exactly what I have encouraged people to do?
jordan holmes
No, don't think about it.
dan friesen
It's a trick.
How do...
Generals.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the Pentagon, sure.
dan friesen
So, Alex also gets into a trip he's going to be taking.
This guy is going all over the place.
He went to New York.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
To go be on a podcast.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Or maybe talk to the Attorney General.
jordan holmes
He's gone from sea to shining sea.
dan friesen
To be on podcasts.
jordan holmes
Yes.
The last hope he has.
dan friesen
Yes.
And so he's got another trip that's coming up just the next day on Tuesday.
alex jones
Critical information.
So we're going to be going to the border.
But I got a call from my accountant this morning, right before I went live.
And he said, will you please explain to people that when you go to the border, it costs a lot of money.
And that when you go to New York, it costs a lot of money.
Because you are going into the red.
You need to really explain to listeners that.
They need to buy t-shirts, they need to buy books, films, water filtration, air filtration, or you're going to have to stop doing this, or you're going to have to lay some people off.
And again, it's not your fault.
When we have the products in, the supplements, you buy them, we're able to fund ourselves.
But we're not able to, when most of the time we don't even have product in because of the COVID lockdowns, kill the supply chain, because we give you high quality vitamins and minerals and herbs.
We can get crap from China.
But we're not doing that.
So many products that we normally have in stock are sold out for six, seven, eight months.
Or we do get it.
It's a limited supply.
So again, we're running the July 4th super sale right now.
Double Patriot points.
dan friesen
How is any of this the listener's fault?
How are they not doing exactly what you want them to do?
jordan holmes
One, that's a 100% real conversation that happened.
Alex.
Tell your listeners, it costs money for you to go to New York, so they need to buy t-shirts, they need to buy products, they need to buy it all.
dan friesen
That appearance on Flagrant 2 did not translate to enough sales for us to justify that trip.
And now, Trump is coming to the border.
Trump is going to do his rally down there.
jordan holmes
Right, so he's gotta go.
dan friesen
Alex has gotta go to try and get some attention.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And this runs into money, so everybody's gotta buy stuff, because trips cost things.
And, look, everything will be...
No.
jordan holmes
The problem, listeners, is that you won't allow us to get through these COVID embargoes that keep us from getting the products that you guys have already bought for us.
This is all your fault.
dan friesen
It seems like Alex is trying to...
It's like, solicit sales by way of saying, you guys always buy everything, except we're always out of stock.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the change should be the stocking aspect of it, as opposed to trying to push sales.
Sales seem to be fine.
jordan holmes
Well, it's telling.
dan friesen
You need to just have stuff in to sell.
jordan holmes
It might be a bit of a cop-out.
Might be bullshit.
dan friesen
It could be.
unidentified
So...
dan friesen
A little bit into the show, something happened that really threw me for a loop.
This was weird.
This is something I don't think I've heard very often at all.
jordan holmes
The Undertaker showed up?
dan friesen
Yes.
Just one segment is just instrumental introduction.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
No, Alex makes a correction.
jordan holmes
Oh, what?
alex jones
Let me just get this out of the way.
Because I'm 47, my mind's still pretty sharp, but 10 years ago my brain wouldn't have done this.
And I caught it after I went to break.
And when I got a lot of things on my mind and I was already thinking about other stories and just not really fixating on Joe Biden, I guess channeling Joe Biden, I said something that was incorrect last segment.
Most of what I said about...
Pulling out of Afghanistan and saying it's unwinnable, that was true, and following some of the Trump policies of trying to get the different warring factions to stop killing each other in Syria, at least on paper.
jordan holmes
That's all made up.
alex jones
Biden's been saying he'd do that.
But when I said that he was saying, normalize relations with Assad or there'll be sanctions, that was completely wrong.
And I knew it once I went off air.
I went, wait a minute, pull that up, and I was wrong.
I was incorrect, and I don't know why I said that.
I'm fixing it.
Just five minutes after I messed up.
And it says, citing sanctions, U.S. cautions Arab states against normalizing ties with Syria's Assad.
So they keep trying to keep sanctions on it and kick him out, though they don't want a water war, at least on the surface.
So I guess that's my brain hoping for peace, being too optimistic, basically.
U.S. warns allies of sanctions for those who engage with Syria's Assad regime.
There it all is there.
So that is corrected in real time.
We are not like Brian Stelter.
dan friesen
That's weird.
jordan holmes
That's the weird...
dan friesen
Weirder than The Undertaker coming out, honestly.
unidentified
Does he sell...
jordan holmes
A lot of product to Syria?
We've seen a lot of very pro-Assad things from him in the past, and this one seems really weird.
dan friesen
It's strange.
I don't think that it's all that weird that he has a pro-Assad kind of mentality and editorial line.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
I think given a lot of his other beliefs, it makes sense to, like, where he's at.
jordan holmes
Evil dictator.
dan friesen
This is weird, though.
This makes very little sense.
The need to correct this.
In almost the immediate.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
I think it's probably just because it's glaring and ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
But here is actually, from earlier in the show, him making this mistake.
And you can see, if you listen to this, he even gave himself an out.
He didn't need to correct this.
alex jones
We see just last week, Biden told Saudi Arabia and a bunch of other Gulf states, if you don't recognize Assad, we're going to put sanctions on you, which was a pretty big move.
Now, they may flip-flop next week back to going the other way.
That's what they do.
Because they're a bunch of Machiavellian garbage, but that's currently what is happening there.
dan friesen
So he even says they're going to flip-flop back next week, or they could.
He could just use that as a way to ignore that he ever said this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is weird.
dan friesen
It's very strange.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So one of the things also that I think is important to recognize about this is how this mistake is made.
There are plenty of things that you can get wrong in different ways.
For instance, you could misspeak, and that's just your brain.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Whatever.
It happens.
Another way you can make a mistake is if you get a fact wrong.
Like you could say that Shaq played for five different NBA teams when in fact he played for six.
You could forget one of those teams or have got the wrong stat in your head and just never corrected it.
We all have tons of inaccuracies floating around in our head, and oftentimes we don't realize them until we speak them out loud, and then we get corrected.
There's no real shame in making a mistake like that, so long as you're able to integrate the correct information when it's presented to you and don't get defensive about, like, no, five teams.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I understand.
I forgot that he was on the Suns, too.
That happens.
Yeah, that happens.
dan friesen
This is not the sort of error that Alex is making here, nor did he misspeak.
He read a headline, told himself a story, and then he went to commercial.
One of his employees told him that he'd made up a complete fiction, and he realized, I better go ahead and walk that back.
You can tell from the headline that Alex is working off of.
Quote, citing sanctions U.S. cautions Arab states against normalizing ties with Syria's Assad.
The error that Alex is making here isn't a matter of a fact being wrong.
He's got an entire concept wrong.
The framework of the story is completely false.
He reads this headline wrong, and he went from there.
Alex has talked a lot in the past about how his real gift, when it comes to analysis, is being able to connect the dots.
So I would guess what happened was the following.
Alex read that Biden planned to withdraw troops from Afghanistan.
As he skims other headlines, Alex is trying to make connections to this story that can work for him.
Pulling out of Afghanistan and supporting Assad are two things that Alex can say Trump would do so he can praise Biden for doing them and present it as Biden ripping off Trump in that angle can play on Infowars.
This headline that Alex is reading is from an article out of Al-Arabia, and there's no conceivable way that Alex could have read the article and come away with the impression that it was about Biden demanding countries normalized relations with Assad.
Al-Arabia is a media network that's run out of the UAE by a Saudi-owned company called the NBC Group.
Saudi Arabia and Assad are not on great terms, and the paper has an editorial position that is not favorable to Assad.
He skimmed this headline and then he just made up a story about this misconception that he got that would fit with the other stories that he's covering that day.
And this may seem like a trivial point that I'm making but it's not.
When you're dealing with someone like Alex who disseminates consistently shitty information, one of the critical things to pay attention to is how the information makes it from the starting point in a primary source to its destination as a thing that Alex is reporting on his show.
If you do pay attention and read the primary sources that he's using, you'll almost always find that underneath his outrage, there's nothing more than him not understanding the subject he's covering, often due to his unwillingness to put in the effort.
The epistemological process that Alex uses to create his content is completely unreliable, and his correction really well illustrates how this exact same error that he made here, it's one that he makes constantly.
This one had to do with the idea that the globalists were trying to play nice with Assad, though, so he needed to make a correction.
Yeah.
The mistake isn't weird.
jordan holmes
No, the basic is fine.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He just read a headline, didn't understand it, and decided to write a story that he tells his audience.
This correction is fucked up.
jordan holmes
Did he feel the need to correct it so quickly and so immediately because it was technically in some way complimenting Biden?
dan friesen
No, because I think that his qualified compliment of pulling out of Afghanistan or reducing troops in Afghanistan is there, too.
jordan holmes
What is this?
dan friesen
Why this particular situation?
If I had to put forth a guess, I would say...
jordan holmes
Assad texted him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
No, that's not it.
I think that Alex might be keenly aware that his audience is full of Assad fans.
jordan holmes
That seems like what we're talking about!
dan friesen
And I think that he knew that he would get corrected on that by people who were listening.
Like, that didn't...
What are you talking about?
jordan holmes
It does seem like this is something that he thinks people will catch.
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that's more the issue.
I think that there's fans of Assad in his audience, and he's aware of that.
And as such, he knows that, like, oh, I bungled that one.
Or, I bet he didn't even know.
I bet one of his employees pointed that out during the commercial.
Like, your audience is gonna know that's not right.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You gotta correct that.
jordan holmes
Wow.
I mean, I'm just saying, Dan, if we start kowtowing to Assad fans as part of our editorial position, I think we're gonna make it.
I think we're really gonna turn into a big show.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
I think that...
unidentified
I guess this is what it takes to get Alex to correct something.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That's bizarre.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex, about halfway into the first hour here, he's trying to build suspense by talking about how he's not building suspense for a story that he hasn't explained yet.
jordan holmes
Listen, I'm not trying to build suspense for this whole story.
I'm just telling you that this is a great fucking story.
dan friesen
Sure.
And I promise.
I'm not building suspense.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
alex jones
You know, I'm not trying to build up.
Suspense on this, but if I just cover this, if I went and shot a special report on this after the show today and put it up on Bandai Video, we'd probably get a million views, and then Tucker Carlson would pick it up, and everybody would be talking about it, and we could do something about it and really hurt the globalists and help ourselves.
jordan holmes
But I'm not going to do that.
alex jones
But if I just release this information now, like it's no big deal, this will go nowhere.
dan friesen
Bad news.
This is going to go nowhere no matter what, because it's nonsense.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
I was like, okay, I'm ready.
I'm ready for another dud.
Let's hear it.
jordan holmes
Sometimes when you say he's building suspense without actually doing it, I feel like I should just be given an opportunity to see if I can...
Pull exactly what he's going to say.
dan friesen
By all means.
jordan holmes
We've always heard this exact same like, listen, I'm not going to build suspense here.
I'm just saying that this is a big story.
And if you guys want this big story to have an impact, and that's what we need to do.
This big story has to have a big impact.
Otherwise, it's not going to be justifiable.
Then you're going to need to let everybody know how big this story is going to be.
Because this story, it's going to be big.
dan friesen
It's going to be huge.
Yeah, yeah.
You could do that speech probably in your sleep.
I thought that you meant that you could predict what the story itself was going to be.
unidentified
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Good God, no.
It could be fucking anything.
dan friesen
It could be.
jordan holmes
It could be anything.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex is like, fuck it.
I'm not going to build suspense, actually.
I'm just going to get into it now.
All right.
jordan holmes
There's a checkpoint at the car park before I get to work every day, and that's tyranny.
dan friesen
I wish that was what it was.
alex jones
This report is just really, really, really big, but at the end of the time...
I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to hit it right now.
And I just hope this goes viral because it needs to.
This is such a big deal.
Now, if you read Klaus Schwab's five books, and yes, I've read all five of them.
jordan holmes
Bullshit.
alex jones
And the reason I don't like reading them is it makes me get so angry.
dan friesen
I think you just don't like reading.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Klaus Schwab has written more than five books.
The most recent one is COVID-19, The Great Reset, which of course is the book that Alex has not read, but has built plenty of conspiracy theories around.
Then he also wrote Stakeholder Capitalism, The Fourth Industrial Revolution, Shaping the Fourth Industrial Revolution, Modern Enterprise Management and Mechanical Engineering, 2021 COVID-19 Predictions, The Aftermath of the COVID-19 Pandemic, and then there's the annual report that he puts out, the Global Competitiveness Report, and a bunch of books he's edited, compiled, and co-written.
Alex hasn't read any of this shit.
jordan holmes
No, no.
He would do better with Harry Potter and the Great Reset.
I think that would work better for him.
dan friesen
He hasn't even read any of the, like...
The reports that he goes on, like the alleged lock-stepped document.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like all this stuff.
He hasn't read a book.
jordan holmes
No.
No.
No, he has not.
dan friesen
So now we know that this report, whatever Alex is going to get into, has something to do with Klaus Schwab, I guess.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm not sure that it is.
alex jones
So I'm going to cover this more next hour when Barnes is on with us as well.
She's involved in lawsuits trying to stop it.
jordan holmes
Goddammit, Barnes!
alex jones
But from Canada, the same country in lockstep with the New World Order and the UN and China, they now have a major state, a province of Canada, on TV.
Health Canada says...
We'll prevent groups from gathering in order to stop the spread of unauthorized information.
And you see videos where they come arrest people at their houses for being online criticizing the lockdown.
jordan holmes
Love it.
alex jones
They had a bunch of guests on and arresting preachers.
dan friesen
The preachers weren't arrested for any kind of information they were putting out.
It's because they refused to comply with public health guidelines during a pandemic that's killed millions of people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that'll do it.
dan friesen
Also, whatever is going on, I have no idea how Barnes is going to be involved in lawsuits to stop it.
Like, I don't think he's licensed to practice in Canada.
jordan holmes
No, he's a director of legal strategy for a bunch of Canadian lawyers.
dan friesen
I bet he is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm sure.
dan friesen
So as for this underlying story, there was a video that was going around from Nova Scotia, where Dr. Robert Strang, the chief medical officer for the province, was taking questions about the pandemic.
A reporter asked if there was still a need to have an injunction against large gatherings, given the trajectory the cases were on.
Strang replied that bringing large groups together still presented some risk and that experts were continuing to keep an eye on the pandemic.
Sure.
say that the injunction is useful for public health because it was preventing the gathering of, quote, groups that are deliberately spreading false information that creates risk.
This probably was a bad way to express his point, so I'm going to call this one an unforced error.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would go with that one.
dan friesen
Alex has enough ground to stand on here, and the surface appearance of what he needs to create suspicion, but anyone looking at the context here appropriately would understand what Dr. Strang was saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, ultimately, it's hard not to think that there's quite a bit that gatherings designed to spread both...
Bullshit and COVID, of which there were some, have a lot in common with terror cells.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
Also, this clip is from May 31st, so it's about a month old at this point.
It was posted on a Trump meme Twitter account called New Granada on the 27th, and from that point on, it got picked up by QAnon blogs and media outlets like Alex and Steven Crowder.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
In the recent days, this Twitter account is promoting the idea that the Q posted to John McAfee's Twitter account was a crypto encryption key.
They were also blowing minds by talking about the Georgia Guidestones, and of course they were...
Plugging anti-mask shirts that they were selling.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Basically, this is kind of just a meme slash attention-grabbing account that's a bit light on editorial rigor, and it appears to be a place that Alex sees fit to base his big bombshells on their tweets.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's not good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you get one tweet, you got a story.
That's all you need.
dan friesen
I actually went and I found the full daily briefing on YouTube from Nova Scotia, and it's pretty easily accessible.
You can find it very easily.
All of them.
All of the briefings from the government of Nova Scotia are available.
You can find them.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah!
dan friesen
They put them out quite regularly to help people navigate the pandemic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would be smart.
dan friesen
Yeah, good leadership.
One of the things that's really funny about taking this clip and insisting that it shows some kind of evil government desire to control the public is that if you watch the full briefing...
The number one question is about their recent decision to reopen schools.
Most of the conversation that's happening is Dr. Strang and Premier Rankin defending the decision to reopen, whereas the feedback that they're receiving is mostly about concerns that it might be too soon to reopen.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
This was a press conference where Nova Scotian officials were discussing the progress that had been made and how to keep that progress going.
All the context and bigger picture is ignored because that short clip that Alex can play, it includes one of the officials saying something that's useful to shitheads who want to derail all the work that's been done to fight the pandemic.
And I don't know.
It's a snooze.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
This is not a bombshell.
jordan holmes
You almost want that clip to also...
If you want to say something like that in a daily briefing, you also have to just start with...
Thank goodness we're ending our tyrannical and draconian measures.
We are ending them.
There are no more tyrannical or draconian measures.
Zero tyrannical or draconian measures.
Just reminding everybody, no more.
dan friesen
So Alex, he also wants to talk about vaccines being evil and bad.
And he's been on that tip for a long time.
He has.
And so he introduces a clip from an official at the World Health Organization and then a clip of his own from the past.
alex jones
Here's the UN director of the WHO admitting their plan for more face masks.
The vaccines don't work.
And then from 11 years ago, my analysis and others about what we're really facing.
dan friesen
So the clip that Alex plays of a World Health Organization spokesperson is just them saying that a vaccine alone isn't going to magically solve everything.
It's a piece of the strategy, but not the entire pandemic strategy on its own.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This isn't evidence that lockdowns will last forever or whatever the fuck Alex is trying to say.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Now, as for his own clip from 11 years ago.
This is exciting.
alex jones
You sounded urgent.
There's an entire agenda afoot to force the population to undergo different types of medical treatments, namely vaccines.
We're seeing a medical tyranny being set up, not just in the United States, but worldwide under the UN and the World Health Organization.
Who's behind all this?
The Bilderberg Group.
They want a planetary dictatorship so they can carry out their forced depopulation agenda.
And they want to do it through the medical system.
And that's why vaccines are so important.
unidentified
We know that many of these vaccines turn out to have serious adverse reactions.
alex jones
This is being done by design.
They kill you slowly over time.
That's why they're called soft kill.
And I've got an insider I think you should really talk to, Dr. Rima Labo.
But she doesn't live inside the United States because she's so concerned about all the police state developments that are taking place.
But if you can get her to come up here and talk to you, she's a medical doctor, she's treated heads of states, and she really understands what's happening on the inside.
unidentified
Where's the doctor now?
alex jones
She's in Panama.
Panama.
unidentified
So I got to find her.
alex jones
You can either go down to Panama and talk to her or somehow get her up here.
She doesn't like to come up here, though.
Here's her phone number and information in Panama.
All right.
I'm going to work on it.
dan friesen
So Alex's evidence is a staged conversation that he had from Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory show.
jordan holmes
It is a little bit...
The Undertaker showing up.
I will say that there's something along those lines.
Yeah, if the body's there, you know.
dan friesen
So yeah, the funnier thing, though, is that Alex is telling Jesse Ventura to go find Rima Labo.
If you don't recall, Rima Labo is the anti-vax advocate who is married to General Stubblebine, and the two came on to Alex's show to sell their laminated Don't Vaccinate Me cards, which were grossly overpriced.
jordan holmes
Real good.
They were like 15 bucks, or were they 50 bucks?
dan friesen
I think it was more than that, yeah.
The interview was supposed to be about the evils of vaccination, but Stubblebine couldn't stay on track and started ranting about how there was a genocide against white men going on.
That was pretty early, too, in terms of the right-wing adopting that as a talking point.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, he was ahead of their...
But he was still trailing far behind the white supremacists who've been on that tip for a long time.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Anyway, Rima Labo recently got in some hot water with the FDA, and the Department of Justice issued a permanent injunction against her to stop her from selling her nano-silver as a COVID-19 cure.
So she and Alex are on similar tracks.
jordan holmes
Wow.
A permanent injunction.
It takes quite a bit for those dudes to get to work like that.
dan friesen
So Alex's big bombshell was this nonsense.
Small clip of a Canadian briefing.
And then his evidence...
jordan holmes
Alex, do you think COVID-19 will be coming soon?
dan friesen
I knew that Barnes was coming up and I don't want to listen to Barnes.
And like, Alex is...
Evidence of his, like, bona fides is a Jesse Ventura TV show clip.
jordan holmes
He said it!
dan friesen
I was like, I hate this.
jordan holmes
Can't take it away from him.
dan friesen
What about Rumsfeld?
So I jumped to the 30th.
jordan holmes
Get to Rumsfeld.
dan friesen
And the reason that I went to the 30th is because the 29th was, Alex said he was- He was at the border.
Yeah, he was going down there, so Owen was hosting.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
I'm like, well, let's check in on the 30th.
Guess what?
Owen's still hosting.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
But get this.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Alex calls in and gives a big brief.
Okay.
And this got my attention.
All right.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, on the 42 minutes of video that's being uploaded, and understand, this is going on two miles from me right now, continually.
We were there 42 minutes, and I saw three buses deliver people.
I saw six or seven other buses dubbing people off down the street.
unidentified
I saw dozens of vans.
alex jones
The Catholic charity here in McAllen has at least seven big buildings.
One of them is an 80-yards-long warehouse.
When the doors open, you just see hundreds of women and children inside.
unidentified
And I'm standing there as a bus pulls up.
alex jones
There's another bus around the corner dubbing people off of the alleyway with people in cages.
Wait until I get to that.
That's what I'm telling you, folks.
People in cages with private mercenaries wearing Catholic charity outfits, driving Border Patrol buses with guns on their sides.
So Biden has deputized all this.
Really?
by the way, and the Border Patrol came because they are their enforcers.
Really?
unidentified
And then the Border Patrol has said, before they were even commanded, they now complete the smuggling process.
alex jones
But I'm standing there about 30 minutes into this feed, looking at the you're all going to see, being shot on an iPhone, because all the other cameras were fogged up in the rain.
And I witnessed children looking around, carrying blankets, looking around like I don't know where they are, without mothers.
And get this, blonde-haired, blue-eyed children, without their mothers, without their fathers, coming up to the security guard and saying, in English, I heard them saying, I want my mother.
And I started screaming at my security.
I was going to call the police.
Call 911.
And the kid gets into this spider hole.
And the door closes with armed men smiling at us.
The ones that didn't have masks on.
dan friesen
Wow.
Wow.
That sounds like some pretty shocking video that Alex got.
So immediately I was like, alright, Alex isn't in studio.
Maybe he'll call in at some point and do a little dance about Rumsfeld or something.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
But we're going to have to wait.
For his response to Rumsfeld.
And also, on Wednesday, there was a lot of conversation about how, at the point that we're recording right now, we don't know if this has come to pass, but there's talk of charges against the Trump Organization.
Sure.
There were some headlines in the Washington Post about that being imminent.
jordan holmes
No, the CEO or somebody...
dan friesen
CFO.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the CFO turned himself in today.
dan friesen
I had not heard that this morning, but I know that Alex will probably have an amazing response to that.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
We're going to have to wait for Monday's show to get into that, just based on how we're able to process stuff.
But I heard this, and I was like, I'm not going to wait around for Alex to call back in and say something.
We're going to watch this video.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I want to check out this video.
If Alex has evidence of kids screaming for their moms.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm not going to not say that the idea that he would shockingly say that there were children in cages at the border.
dan friesen
White children.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But not in cages.
jordan holmes
See, that's...
dan friesen
I'll just spell this out for you.
The cages is not actually a cage.
Yeah.
It's a bus.
There's like a van.
A big bus that people were being transported in, and there was a door between where the passengers were and the driver.
jordan holmes
The driver.
Oh, okay, okay.
dan friesen
So there was a separate section between the passenger section and the driver section that's opened up to disembark people from the bus.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And that's what Alex has turned into cages.
There's no cages that he actually has any evidence of in this video.
jordan holmes
I know, but I mean...
Just him saying, can you believe this?
You will not believe this.
Right.
Like, blood through my eyes.
dan friesen
It's infuriating.
And honestly, I think this turned my stomach a bit, this video.
It really made me very sad and fairly angry.
But at the same time, it's my job to not disassociate from that.
Sure.
Get past it a little bit in order to provide what I think is a really important teachable moment about this video.
And I think that there's something that you can see if you pay attention that is super important.
So this is the way that Alex has set up the clip to Owen.
He's like, this is this 42-minute video.
This is what's in it.
A lot of this is exaggeration and embellishment, but the selling point of it is he saw blue-eyed, blonde-haired children who were crying for their mom, and then they get whisked into the spider hole that is this charity.
jordan holmes
Does he not realize that he is prioritizing literally the Aryan master race in his mind?
I mean, he has to know that.
dan friesen
At very least, he knows that this is what he's trying to use as a trigger for his audience.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
There's no way that you don't...
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex is down there in McAllen, Texas, along with his buddy Tim.
I believe he's a guy who owns a gun store.
I'm not sure.
He's one of Alex's weirdo buddies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would imagine.
dan friesen
This guy's a shithead.
jordan holmes
I imagine all of his weirdo buddies have some interest in a gun store.
dan friesen
So when they get there, or when the video starts, there's a family that is being taken to a van.
Out of this Catholic charity.
And there's a bunch of people around.
And Tim is complaining about how much security they have.
tim enlow
These folks are going to be transported to the McAllen International Airport, and they're going to be taken to a destination city of their choice.
alex jones
And this is live.
This is unedited.
Just since we started rolling nine minutes ago, this is the third load being loaded up.
These children are not in car seats, you notice.
tim enlow
Now, the interesting thing is, this is supposedly a Catholic charity.
Now, let's count the security personnel that they're bringing out to put this family into the van.
You've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
Seven security personnel.
alex jones
Because this is an important cargo for Democrats to farm and milk the welfare they're going to sign this human chattel up for.
This is slavery.
tim enlow
And imagine the costs involved, right?
Imagine seven security personnel.
They've got to be paid on an hourly basis.
dan friesen
They have all that security because Alex Jones and his goons are there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was gonna say, you're the reason that the security's there to keep you guys from being like...
These are slaves!
Yeah, duh.
dan friesen
It's absolutely disgusting for people like Alex to antagonize people and create super tense, unsafe situations, and then when people calmly respond and provide security to make sure that he can't escalate situations, you know, that security is now evidence that the people who are being antagonized are up to no good.
The security is there because of you, Alex.
They're there because you showed up and banged on someone's car for attention months ago.
This is the same place where he went, the Catholic charity of Rio Grande Valley.
jordan holmes
I recognized it immediately, yeah.
dan friesen
The security is there because Alex encouraged his listeners to show up to the charity and harass them.
Who knows what they've been dealing with since then?
Alex is the reason that these people are there, because he's a danger to them.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Also, I hate to be a pedant, but if you watch the video, you'll see that at least four of the people in the video who Alex's friend Tim is calling security are wearing shirts that say Heartland Disaster Response Team.
These people are volunteers who work with a group called Heartland Response, a Texas-based, quote, compassion coordination center.
If you consult their website, you'll find that their mission is described as this.
Quote, Heartland Response is an emergency and disaster response organization focused on preparing, training, and educating in the disciplines of emergency management, disaster response, and recovery, as well as other forms of compassionate care.
Further, the mission is to facilitate unity among disaster and crisis response entities, churches, synagogues, businesses, and individuals throughout the faith community.
These are people who are putting their faith into action and helping people in a desperate situation, so it's not too surprising to see people like Alex make them out of the way.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep.
Yeah, so they're doing that thing where they help people, and that just doesn't sound like Christianity to me.
dan friesen
Not to Alex either.
jordan holmes
Not to Alex, yeah.
unidentified
Nor Tim.
jordan holmes
That just sounds wrong.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So one of the things that I'm actually, I can't prove this, and I don't know, I kind of suspect that Alex knew when arrivals were coming in to the station.
Because there are a couple buses that show up in the time that he's there.
Not as many as he would like you to believe.
But I would guess that there is a certain time that intake happens.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm sure some of his listeners at least have sent him emails.
dan friesen
Staked it out.
unidentified
Totally, totally.
dan friesen
Okay, at noon is when people show up.
And so he shows up at the time when he is most likely to get the video that he needs to make it look like it's just constant floods of buses.
jordan holmes
He's too lazy to stay there all day.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
And it's raining.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's not staying there anything longer than 42 minutes.
He gets soaked.
dan friesen
His shirt is just wet.
Wet t-shirt.
jordan holmes
Gross!
No!
dan friesen
Anyway.
They notice something is a little bit different from the last time that they were at this place antagonizing and bothering people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And that is that there's no longer a separate COVID testing area.
And I would say that that might be explained by another phenomenon that they see, but we'll get to it after this clip.
tim enlow
Now, the interesting thing is, when we drove in, we noticed that the COVID testing site had been removed, okay?
So before...
Border Patrol is dropping them at the COVID testing site.
Then the Catholic charity here would walk up there, march them down the street, march them into their facility, get them plane tickets, and put them on planes to the interior of the United States.
That COVID testing site is now removed, which tells us now they're not even testing for COVID anymore.
So hundreds of thousands of illegals coming across the border, not being tested, no background check being done.
alex jones
And here's another key point to add.
A few months ago, we were out here, and we see the man putting the three children in the trunk, which is illegal, so we stopped them.
Now, they're loading...
jordan holmes
Which is illegal.
alex jones
...again, without child seats again, and we saw it happening with the other vehicle as well.
So again, this is a total waiving of the law.
dan friesen
It's really impressive how much of an upstanding citizen Alex is, and he cares so much about car seat adherence.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, this is...
Look, they're bringing in...
Children at the border to replace the white race, and they're not even using car seats, Dan!
dan friesen
It's weird that he would think that he had the right to physically strike a person's car because someone wasn't wearing proper seatbelts, particularly considering how, in our last episode from 2003, he thought that car seat regulations were a Trojan horse aimed at creating Gestapo teams of gray-uniformed high school kids with machine guns.
jordan holmes
Yep, it's those seatbelts, man!
It's those goddamn seatbelts!
That's what's gonna do it!
dan friesen
I guess in the past 18 years, he's just learned a lot, and now he's super in favor of micromanaging other people's decisions.
jordan holmes
I think it's great.
dan friesen
Also, everything that Tim is saying about the COVID testing is made up.
He has no idea what policy these people are following, and he's just assuming that no one is getting tested, but he couldn't demonstrate that at all.
Also, shouldn't he not care if anyone is getting tested?
Their whole point at Infowars is that the pandemic is a hoax.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
So I think it's a little disingenuous to pretend you have a problem with immigrants not getting tested for something that you make money convincing your audience not to take seriously.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You dick.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that whole clip is just like, what are we doing here?
dan friesen
Also, one of the other hallmarks of this video, one of the main points, is that this Catholic charity has rented out a whole other building.
Yeah.
unidentified
They have the whole big building here.
dan friesen
It's like a Hollywood fashion or something.
It used to probably be a clothing store.
No, they can't do it in there.
jordan holmes
No.
Two there.
It's got to be right off the bus.
dan friesen
They're just making an assumption and reporting it as they're not testing anybody for anything.
It's outrageous, the sort of just leaps that they're making in order to justify what they're doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, the only difference between this and Pizzagate is, I mean, I guess slightly less implication of pedophilia?
Or less...
Close ties to Hillary?
dan friesen
I think...
jordan holmes
You know?
Like, this is...
dan friesen
I think the other thing about Pizzagate and this that is different is...
And one of the reasons that I was saying that it was really difficult to watch this video, or it made me mad, is because you see the people.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, with Pizzagate, it's very abstract and...
jordan holmes
Sure.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
It's like crime scene photos.
dan friesen
There were some, like, Instagram posts from, like, Comet Ping Pong that, like, had pictures of...
I mean, he's exploiting pain as set deck.
jordan holmes
You know?
Like, he's just...
dan friesen
And pretending that he's the one who's trying to help these people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, it's...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's really, really, really disgusting.
dan friesen
It's horrifying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex notices that these people have disaster relief written on their shirts, and so he decides to write a story about it.
alex jones
Notice they're now calling themselves, in the buildings, disaster relief vehicles.
So you know the Texas governor has declared an emergency down here.
What do you bet that they're getting some of the Texas emergency money to stop the imploded border that Biden created and that they're actually using disaster money for the smuggling?
We're going to have to look into this, but again, the globalists, the UN, create an emergency.
They create an emergency.
And then they get all our tax money to create an even bigger emergency, just like with the homeless.
That's the plan.
Tim, tell them the rest of the stories.
Explain and brief folks on the disaster down here and how these counties have been opting out and why these folks are wearing, quote, disaster zone.
And then it says disaster zone on the back of the vehicle.
In fact, look right here before they pull out.
See right here?
Emergency response team.
dan friesen
The disaster zone?
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So at the end there, Alex zooms in on a placard that's in this vehicle, this van's back window, and it says, Emergency Response Team State Asset EMS Support Vehicle.
I checked the Texas Transportation Code, and this could mean a number of things, and none of them are suspicious.
For instance, a vehicle could have this placard if it were a, quote, vehicle used for law enforcement purposes that is owned or leased by a federal government entity, or if it was, quote, a county-owned or county-leased emergency management vehicle that's been designated or authorized by the commissioner's court.
It just gives the vehicle certain rights, like the ability to park places and not get tickets.
Or if there's an actual emergency, they can exceed the speed limit or turn left in no left-turn intersections.
The vehicle is likely owned and operated by the state of Texas, and the Catholic Charity in question, as well as the Heartland Volunteers, are helping with the process because we don't allocate enough funds to keep refugees safe from people like Alex.
This isn't a big mystery, and the only thing suspicious in this equation is Alex and his behavior.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Let me pitch you on this idea, alright?
I'm gonna throw this out there.
What if Alex is the literal Christian devil?
Okay?
Wouldn't it be just like the literal Christian devil to convince everybody it's crazy that somebody would be trying to fight the literal Christian devil?
See what I'm saying?
This is next level thinking.
dan friesen
Well, I have a refutation to that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because we know from the Bible that the devil can quote scripture.
And Alex misquotes scripture quite a bit.
unidentified
The devil definitely can't quote Thomas Jefferson.
dan friesen
So yeah, that leads me to think that you're...
jordan holmes
I could be wrong.
dan friesen
Your idea may have some holes.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
So there's a bus that pulls up.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And Alex and Tim stand right at the door of this bus, essentially, waiting for people to get off the bus.
jordan holmes
Wow, there should be more security around!
dan friesen
And they don't get off the bus.
People don't disembark.
And there's a number of reasons that this could be the case.
You can see one of the people inside the bus, one of the guards or people who are escorting them, has some paperwork, and it's possible they need to get a couple things.
jordan holmes
They're all filling it out.
dan friesen
Yeah, and maybe there is some sort of a process that they need to go through that they would have done as people got off the bus, but because it's raining, they're doing it on the bus.
There's all kinds of explanations for that.
jordan holmes
True.
True.
dan friesen
Thor, as what does happen, is someone from the...
The border patrol shows up and I think has to witness the people getting off the bus.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
And so I think that they were waiting for someone who would basically be like a notary public of these people's arrival.
jordan holmes
A billion reasonable reasons.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a bunch.
But they insist that...
It's because they're there.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And these people on the bus who are the evil globalists don't want...
There's something secret on this bus that they don't want people to see.
And Tim says something that I think is legit dangerous and awful.
tim enlow
What's interesting is when we first pulled up, they were doing it in the open.
But now that we're here filming, you see they don't want to open the bus.
They don't want to de-bus all these illegals.
But that's why it's so important for Americans to get involved.
alex jones
Let's be clear.
They're going to wait because that's their entrance.
That's the back door.
They go in there and an hour later, they go out there and get on buses.
They come in on this bus through that door.
And then they go down and get on those green buses right there.
tim enlow
So since we were here in April, you can tell that the media has not been covering this, right?
So they got comfortable again and thought, oh, we can just ramp up this illegal operation tenfold, twentyfold, and nobody's filming it.
But now we all of a sudden showed up.
alex jones
No, no, no, Tim, that was all fake we shot.
tim enlow
Right, that's what they said.
But now we show up, and now they're scared to follow through with their plan.
Now they don't know what to do.
And that's why Americans need to get out of their homes.
You need to get in the streets.
You need to...
dan friesen
So at the end there, Alex says absolutely.
So he's totally signing off on this call for people to come stop this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which certainly is not the kind of behavior that leads to good outcomes.
No.
Also, just spoiler alert, whenever the people do end up getting off the bus, they do not go through the back doors that Alex was pointing to.
He just made that up entirely.
It's a bunch of bullshit.
jordan holmes
That sounds like basically what a ghost hunting show sounds like.
You know, like them just wandering around being like, see, they won't tell you about this.
This is a cold spot right here.
This area has been haunted.
But you know what never happens at a ghost hunting show?
They're never like, now we need a million people to come to this house, you know, and destroy the ghosts.
They don't say that.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's more danger to this.
There's incitement that is involved in the improvisational storytelling that Alex is doing.
Because basically what he's doing is he's coming down and he's like, alright, how do I take the pieces of the things that I'm seeing and create what I would do if I were trafficking people?
That back door, that's where they're going.
jordan holmes
Totally.
He's thinking of ways for him to traffic people and then assuming that that's how people would do it.
dan friesen
Right, and then ignoring it when the actual reality...
Is counter to what he's predicting.
jordan holmes
And definitely ignoring the cartoonishness of how he would do it, and how unsuccessful that dumb plan would be.
dan friesen
Definitely.
So, I would say that watching this video, it seems like people arriving at a Compassion charity center.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's what it appears to be.
jordan holmes
That sounds about right.
dan friesen
Alex has a slightly different description.
alex jones
It's total bedlam at the border.
Everywhere is like this.
unidentified
Bedlam.
alex jones
This is a good spot in the city of McAllen.
This video doesn't in any way depict what I would call total bedlam.
dan friesen
In fact, around this point in the video, I was starting to wonder how it could be possible that this whole thing is like a conveyor belt of human trafficking, where they just have this huge flow of people, and yet somehow Alex has been standing yelling outside this bus for like 15 minutes, and no one else has shown up.
Shouldn't there be like a bottleneck forming?
jordan holmes
I mean, if there's total bedlam, shouldn't you have in some way an inconvenience along the way to recording this video?
Even a minor inconvenience.
dan friesen
Well, it's raining.
jordan holmes
Somebody shout!
Well, I guess rain is bedlam, okay?
dan friesen
Weather weapons.
jordan holmes
There we go.
Fair enough.
dan friesen
This is all coming off intensely desperate.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex got so much attention the last time he went and bothered these charity people, so I think he's trying to recreate some of that magic to drive traffic to his site, but this just isn't clicking.
And one of the big tells about how weak this attempt is could be seen in Alex's constant need to reassure himself that these people are doing something wrong because they don't follow seatbelt rules.
He's there, and he's just hoping for a dramatic confrontation that makes him look like a big, brave, strong American loving boy, but he's not finding it.
He's just getting rained on, and the people who are trying to help refugees are sick of his bullshit, and they're not engaging with him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he might as well walk back into the gun shop and apologize to Piers Morgan all over again.
dan friesen
Hey, that was good.
Let's try to do that again.
jordan holmes
This is a great show that we just pulled off.
dan friesen
Hey, so you want to have me back?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Hey, you guys are the border.
You want to let me bother you again?
dan friesen
Come on, guys.
We all did good on that, right?
jordan holmes
Yeah, the border was good.
dan friesen
You probably got some more donations.
I got traffic.
Everybody wins.
jordan holmes
Everybody wins.
dan friesen
Let's fake a fight.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
So, Alex exaggerates here a little bit.
alex jones
We are here in McAllen, Texas.
We've only been here 20 minutes.
We've already seen more than six buses, more than four vans deliver and pick up hundreds and hundreds of people.
This bus just pulled in a few minutes ago.
They then go into that back alley room and do a huge facility that goes for 80 yards down.
They then come out and go to the bus station that is right down the street.
So this is all being done illegally.
dan friesen
I forgot, there's another part of this video that, like, it doesn't play on audio well, but, like...
Someone tells him that a bunch of people just went down to the bus station.
And so there's a bus station that's like across another street, a catty corner from the charity.
And so he and the cameraman go down there and like, where'd they go?
There was nobody.
unidentified
They kept finding him.
dan friesen
They got away.
jordan holmes
Oh, man!
dan friesen
It's just like, I don't know what's going on exactly, but I know that nothing that he's saying actually matches the video that they're presenting.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So anyway.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
Biden said immediately surged the border.
Now they have armed guards calling themselves disaster response teams so that as they bring these people in that came here illegally, it looks more official.
There is no law and order.
There are now armed gangs wearing disaster response team uniforms.
They've now removed the border patrol and have what they call private security firms driving these buses From the border with people brought here illegally many of them children that have been kidnapped that That seems pretty extreme to be reporting based on what he shows.
dan friesen
It does not match that.
jordan holmes
That doesn't sound true.
dan friesen
No.
Heartland response teams are an armed gang, and most of these children probably kidnapped.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and you can even hear him kind of struggling to describe it.
He's trying to improv his way into an awful description of the horror that he's seeing around him.
And he's like, uh, ooh, uh, da-da-da-da-da.
Oh, yeah, there's kids!
Car seats!
dan friesen
I think the optics of it doesn't match what he needs, and so he's trying to escalate it by way of storytelling.
And it's just soft.
It's weak.
At this point, Alex finds a second bus that's around the corner on the other side of the building, and this bus has people getting off of it.
This is where things...
jordan holmes
Front door or back door?
dan friesen
Front door.
Everything's in the front door.
alex jones
Trump's not suppressing this, but I gotta tell you, even Fox News is not showing people this.
Fox News could send a team down here.
We've been in here 30 minutes.
We're gonna upload these in chunks.
We're on demand on video.
And many of these people have disappeared out of their countries.
Many of these people are alone, like this little boy right here.
jordan holmes
What?
unidentified
Barefoot.
alex jones
And they're just disappearing.
There's this little kid.
That's a blonde-haired, blue-eyed little boy with a Hispanic lady and a baby.
Right there.
100% not his mother.
Did you just see that right there?
dan friesen
This is a case where Alex has spotted a blonde-haired child, and he's decided to assume that the woman he's with is Hispanic, though he has absolutely nothing to base this on.
The mother's wearing a mask, and he barely even looks at her as she walks past him, so this is absolutely an instance of Alex just deciding to improvise a story on the fly where a white child is being smuggled by immigrants.
There's another child that Alex is saying is alone.
These are two different children.
But if you watch the tape, you can tell that he is actually with a woman and another child.
He's just a little bit older of a kid, so he's walking ahead of them by the time Alex sees him and decides to use him as a prop for white nationalist propaganda.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that doesn't get much more white nationalist than just instinctively being like, oop, white kid stolen by somebody else.
This is now a humanitarian crisis on the level of fucking everything.
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Yeah, not...
And you know, here's where this gets teachable.
So this is something that Alex sees, and he's decided to make a big deal out of based on assumptions that he's making that are not based in anything.
jordan holmes
Other than racism.
dan friesen
Well, yes.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But if you pay attention, you can see the story changing.
alex jones
That's a blonde-haired, blue-eyed little boy with a Hispanic lady and a baby.
Right there.
100% not his mother.
Did you just see that right there?
unidentified
I got it.
dan friesen
I got it on video.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, did you just see what I just saw right there?
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
We need to call the police.
Tim, get over here.
We got to call the police.
I don't care what they say, I'm filing a police report.
Tim, we got to call 911.
No, no.
The blonde-haired, blue-eyed kid with two Hispanic women, 100%.
Blonde-haired, blue-eyed kid, we gotta call the police.
100% smuggling.
Unbelievable.
We gotta call the police right now.
Call 911.
unidentified
I'll call them.
dan friesen
He gets convinced not to call the police because they are like, we're not gonna do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course not.
dan friesen
But also you can see now the story is two Hispanic women.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
dan friesen
Dead to rights.
jordan holmes
Happens that fast.
dan friesen
100% smuggling based on details that Alex can't even keep straight.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That are based on, again, nothing but his bigotries.
So now, if you look and pay attention, immediately again, the story changes.
It's fluid.
It's not based on anything real.
alex jones
So you just saw that bus disgorged, but they're still staying on this one.
Maybe they got more unaccompanied children.
I saw this little boy going like this without women.
I went, wait a minute, that little kid's got blonde hair and blue eyes, and I know that...
You know, Spanish background, all that stuff.
Some people have those colorations.
It's very rare.
I already saw a little boy and I went, something's weird.
He's by himself.
There's no women with him.
He's going like this, not knowing where he is.
jordan holmes
One of those kids was barefoot, too.
alex jones
Yeah, barefoot, you name it.
I mean...
dan friesen
Barefoot, you name it.
So, this is where paying attention is really important and helpful.
Alex's story has already changed twice in the span of minutes after he witnessed this non-crime that he wants to call the police over.
Initially, it was a blonde-haired, blue-eyed child who was with a Hispanic woman who couldn't possibly be his mother.
Then it became a blonde-haired, blue-eyed child who was with two Hispanic women who couldn't possibly be his mother.
Now it's become a blonde-haired, blue-eyed child who is an unaccompanied minor arriving scared at this center.
There are two kids that Alex is talking about and mixing up.
One of them is wearing a red shirt.
The other is a blue shirt.
And that's how I'm going to distinguish between the two because they're both, I guess...
I can't tell what their eye color is, but they could be conceivably blonde, but one of them is like a buzzed head, so I don't really know if it's his hair.
jordan holmes
Is the red shirt going to survive to the end of the story?
dan friesen
Yes.
All of them survive.
Okay, that's good.
The kid in the red shirt is the one that Alex initially started yelling about.
The one who he was convinced was with a Hispanic woman who couldn't possibly be his mother.
Alex just made this up, and it's based on nothing at all.
This is a group that goes in.
That's who the red shirt kid is.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
A couple people in front of that kid in the red shirt is the kid in the blue shirt.
He was the child who appeared to be alone when he entered the charity building because he was walking separate from his mother.
If you roll the footage back to earlier, you can clearly see them walking together.
It's a woman carrying a child and this kid.
Sure.
unidentified
The kid in the blue shirt does not act in the way that Alex is describing.
dan friesen
When he approaches the door of the charity, he looks up as if to make a greeting to the guard who's...
Sure.
jordan holmes
everyone.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then continues in showing no signs of distress or confusion.
Naturally.
unidentified
Alex's version of the story is completely made up and he's also mixing up Wow.
dan friesen
They're not, his audience isn't going to like, hey, wait a second.
No.
unidentified
That's not what happened.
It doesn't matter.
dan friesen
Alex, you're just making this up.
jordan holmes
It does not matter.
dan friesen
Absolutely making this up.
Wow.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's good that you can watch this, because just hearing the little bit in the description, I have blood dripping from my ears.
dan friesen
I get that, and I think that maybe that's what I have to offer, is that I can watch this and not yell at it.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, I'm doing great, buddy.
dan friesen
So, at this point, Alex has gotten something on tape, I guess.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And he decides that, you know, it's time for people to follow seatbelt law.
unidentified
Realize that, right?
tim enlow
Realize you're violating state law.
All right.
alex jones
He's violating state law right here.
unidentified
We need to call the police on this guy.
They don't care.
tim enlow
They don't care.
alex jones
They don't have car seats for violating state law again.
tim enlow
Per person, they get paid.
Per person, they get paid.
alex jones
Plus, there's another bus.
There's another bus!
There's another bus!
dan friesen
There's the same bus.
alex jones
It's everywhere!
It's a total invasion!
jordan holmes
Everywhere!
dan friesen
It's a total invasion!
jordan holmes
They're multiplying!
dan friesen
So some people came out of the charity and went to get in a taxi that was parked there, and Tim decided to bother them.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
After their desperate pleas to follow seatbelt law fell on deaf ears, you could actually see in Alex's face the recognition that he needed to try and save this thing.
The publicity stunt is a huge dud.
This honestly comes off looking tremendously weak, with Alex having to constantly retreat back to being a seatbelt snitch.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not great.
dan friesen
And that's where things got really depressing for me.
You can kind of see Alex make the decision to waddle behind this taxi and try to block it from moving, because the last time he was bothering this charity, he got a ton of attention on social media for blocking that dude's car.
You can feel him trying to recreate the magic of that and pretend he's having another heroic moment, and it just falls completely flat.
This is a little bit sad, but what I feel more is, fuck this dude.
He's a 47-year-old man who's putting all of these people's lives at risk for profit.
He knows that what he's saying is bullshit, he doesn't care about seatbelts, and he's making up the narrative about this unaccompanied white child in real time.
You can see him making it up.
He's portraying refugees arriving at a charity as an invasion, and whether it's his explicit goal or not, he knows that his actions are helping create a target on this charity for harassment or violence.
And it's...
Fucking unacceptable.
And if the moment that I get to...
Enjoy is Alex thinking that he's going to have a big moment waddling behind this taxi and it being very sad and it not working out.
I mean, that's not a win, but I'll take it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you could put some sad music over that and really get some pathos out of it.
dan friesen
I'll enjoy the schadenfreude of that pathetic, impotent display.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think he thinks he's trying to get these people like a mobster on tax evasion, you know?
Like, hey, if I get them on the seatbelts, that'll reveal all...
All of the other crimes.
Ah, I'm super smart.
dan friesen
Alex Jones.
The Elliot Ness of the seatbelt laws.
Yeah, definitely.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think he's anointed himself seatbelt cop.
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
Stay right here, dude.
I'm going to talk to this guy.
Jim, get over here.
You need car seats.
That's illegal.
We're getting your number.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
You're not allowed to transport babies without car seats.
Just like last time, folks.
Is it fake again this time?
No, it's not.
This is an absolute collapse of the U.S. under the United Nations.
And I guess we're just going to step aside and watch more little children, not even in seatbelts, just disappear because it's okay because Joe Biden said so.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Whatever.
dan friesen
It's honestly pathetic how much of this is Alex trying to pretend he cares about people using seatbelts or car seats.
His political beliefs actually require him to be strongly opposed to seatbelt laws, which are really just an overreach of the nanny state.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
The thing to recognize here is that Alex knows that what he's doing is wrong.
He knows that he can't prove in any way that anyone he's interacting with is doing anything illegal or even untoward.
He can't prove that anyone's being trafficked, and he can't prove any kind of malfeasance on anyone's part.
Everything he's doing is about making assumptions and creating suspicion and baseless accusations being thrown around.
Car seat laws are real.
He should be philosophically opposed to them, but they're the only concrete thing he can come up with to justify why he's there and why anyone should listen to him yelling.
The reason that he brings it up so much in this video is because it's legitimately all he has to work with.
And honestly, I've seen no evidence in the video that Alex released that suggests that anyone is doing anything wrong, even in terms of car seats.
Earlier in the video...
Rob Dew is gawking in the window of one of these transport vans that Alex keeps insisting are transporting kids illegally.
jordan holmes
Tell me that there is not video evidence of people in car seats.
This one actually does have a, looks like one baby seat at least.
God damn it.
Oops.
God damn it!
unidentified
God damn it!
dan friesen
Rob Dew, once again, fucking things up.
jordan holmes
Rob Deposition Dew!
dan friesen
Corporate Representative Dew.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So...
The official vehicles apparently do, some at least, have appropriate car seats.
The only one they looked in the window of apparently does have...
Alex is just gonna have to file a complaint with the taxi company that at the end he's blocking, he's insisting doesn't...
Is that it?
Is that the end result of this?
A complaint to a taxi company?
jordan holmes
I went down to the border and I got somebody's medallion taken away!
That's right, I'm a hero!
dan friesen
Fucking on the front lines against the UN and the New World Order.
Yes.
Bothering a taxi driver.
This is just overwhelmingly pathetic.
Now, I want to bring this back full circle because I think you might forget a little bit of how this was presented by the time now we've listened to this all.
So I'd like us to loop back and listen to how Alex described this video to Owen.
unidentified
Ladies and gentlemen, on the 42 minutes of video that's being uploaded, and understand, this is going on two miles from me right now continually.
alex jones
We were there 42 minutes, and I saw three buses deliver people.
unidentified
I saw six or seven other buses dumping people off down the street.
I saw dozens of vans.
alex jones
The Catholic charity here in McAllen has at least seven big buildings.
One of them is an 80-yards-long warehouse.
When the doors open, you just see hundreds of women and children inside.
unidentified
And I'm standing there as a bus pulls up.
alex jones
There's another bus around the corner dumping people off of the alleyway with people in cages.
Wait till I get to that.
That's what I'm telling you, folks.
People in cages with private mercenaries.
We're in Catholic charity outfits, driving Border Patrol buses with guns on their sides.
unidentified
So Biden has deputized all these people, the child smugglers.
alex jones
We confronted them, by the way, and the Border Patrol came because they are their enforcers.
And then the Border Patrol has said, before they were even commanded, they now complete the smuggling process.
But I'm standing there about 30 minutes into this feed, again, that you're all going to see being shot on an iPhone, because all the other cameras were fogged up in the rain.
And I witnessed children looking around, carrying blankets, looking around like I don't know where they are, without mothers.
And get this, blonde-haired, blue-eyed children, without their mothers, without their fathers, coming up to the security guard and saying, in English, I heard them saying, I want my mother.
And I started screaming at my security guard, I was going to call the police, call 911.
And the kid gets into this spider hole, and the door closes with our men smiling at us, the ones that didn't have masks on.
dan friesen
That story is a complete fiction, but it's the end product of what Alex did out on the street.
The raw video that he posted on InfoWars is actually the recording of a rehearsal.
Alex went out there to cause a scene and hopefully get a ton of attention again like he did last time.
Nothing really happened, so he started riffing about a child that he saw go into the charity.
Gradually, he worked on the beats of that story, whether or not it worked for it to be a white child with a Hispanic woman, or a child alone, or with two women.
He was trying to figure out what worked best, and he came up with the optimal way to sell it to his audience.
Adding the whole I want my mommy thing is a really nice touch and completely made up, but it doesn't matter.
Anyone who would believe anything Alex says is going to watch the video and not pay attention or not watch the video and just believe that he captured whatever he claims he captured.
He didn't.
And you can see by the way that he's focusing this.
It is...
Very much whiteness.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a white point to it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a really great description of it, that rehearsal idea.
Because, yeah, you can definitely hear on the call, it's so much more polished.
Like, the actual video of all things is the open mic.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And what's more important is the tight...
45 minutes or 45 seconds on a fucking show.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's unfortunately, in some ways, you know, you take away the evilness of it, you take away the disgusting exploitation of these people out of it, and you do see that there is a little bit of a creative process involved.
When Alex witnesses a child go in, he's like, I can work with this.
And he starts to try and figure out how to do it.
And then you see the bit being presented to Owen on the show.
And this is kind of what I mean by the teachable moment that is available within this disgusting mire of a video.
You see this process.
And I've seen Alex do this.
A number of times.
He does it on the show sometimes.
He does it when he's trying to figure out a way to spin something.
And it's important to recognize how disingenuous, dishonest, and transparent this is.
If you just pay attention.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You know, it almost makes me want...
Okay, so there's about 10 million podcasts where creative people in LA talk about how great and creative they are, right?
And go through their creative processes and kind of like, you know, this is where I come from.
Imagine if there was a right-wing fucking liar bullshit podcast where they're like, well, this is how I work out all of my bullshit.
You know, I'll take it to the border and I'll just kind of wander around and scream for a little bit.
dan friesen
It would need to be after all of that.
jordan holmes
No, of course, of course.
dan friesen
Yeah, that would be fascinating.
jordan holmes
It would be fascinating.
dan friesen
But I honestly don't even know if it's a conscious thing.
Like, I'm not positive that Alex knows that what he's doing is trying to heighten and escalate and imagine scenarios that would be exciting or enticing to his audience based on their Picadillos.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, but it's tough to really get into, like, that idea of somebody with just, Almost instinctive tradecraft to them.
I've just done this so much that I've never actually been able to intellectualize it.
I simply do.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think a lot of people who do stand up, you go to open mics.
And you perform and you're like, that didn't work.
It's not necessarily you're writing down on paper a conscious process of how to fix the joke.
jordan holmes
You just kind of brute force it and just go over and over again.
dan friesen
27 years in of Alex doing this bullshit, there's a chance that he's Malcolm Gladwell there.
He's got 10,000 hours under his belt of being a full of shit asshole.
jordan holmes
Ironic that the best way to describe his growth is bullshit.
dan friesen
So one of the things, too, that I wanted to say that I think is heartening in some ways is that the last time Alex went down to this charity and harassed them and bothered them, a lot of people posted videos of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he was trending on Twitter, wasn't he?
dan friesen
Yeah, and there was a big deal out of him.
Sure.
such.
unidentified
And I don't think that I've seen nearly as much this time around.
dan friesen
And part of it was because the optics that Alex had are not useful for that.
Right.
unidentified
But another thing is good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Don't help him.
dan friesen
This is a trap.
This is a trap.
And unless you're going to take the time to experience Experience, understand, and help an audience understand what he's doing.
Don't post an out-of-context clip of him bothering charity people and be like, look at this asshole.
It only works to his advantage and he's aware of it and that's why he does things like this.
It's a game and a trap that people like Alex use.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm proud to have no idea that he was at the border.
That says a lot.
dan friesen
It's progress.
jordan holmes
People share a lot of information with me, and you as well, and that idea that this whole thing happened with me completely unaware of it.
It's like back in the old days, Dan, when I just had no idea what you were going to tell me.
dan friesen
I would guess that if Alex broke someone's window or something like that, you would have heard about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure.
dan friesen
Or if Alex had actually succeeded in finding the confrontation that he wanted.
Then there's a chance that people would have fallen for it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But this was just so bilquetoast and boring that no one cares.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, his next stunt has to be, well, the stunt that you would think is the correct escalation.
If I'm pitching this in the writer's room.
dan friesen
You better hope that Roger Stone is right and Alex is going to get arrested.
jordan holmes
Well, that's what I'm saying.
He should get arrested.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what he needs to do if he wants to pull a stunt.
And he should do some kind of minor bullshit that he knows he's not going to do real time for.
dan friesen
The real question, though, is Owen ready?
Is there anybody who can be a tentpole while Alex is doing however long he's going to have to do?
Like a week before he gets released?
jordan holmes
Here's what we do.
Now I'm escalating this to another level.
Owen!
Live and fulsome kind of situation.
dan friesen
Oh, and tried this already whenever he disrupted Congress.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, while Alex is in prison, they go and do a show.
Boom.
dan friesen
All I know about prison is I learned from Mark Richards, and I don't think they let you bring podcasting equipment into prison.
jordan holmes
Hey, if Johnny Cash could do it, I'm sure Owen Schroyer gets that same treatment.
dan friesen
I would love it if Owen started doing things where he would go visit Alex in prison.
He's like, well, they let me bring a pencil.
unidentified
Yes!
So Alex is in touch with some reptilians.
jordan holmes
That would be the best full circle kind of closure that we could ever get.
dan friesen
So Alex was telling me the other day about how he's married to a raptor princess.
jordan holmes
Can you imagine the narrative closure that that would provide?
That would be the end of our...
Yeah, that would be perfect.
dan friesen
We would ride off into the sunset.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, totally.
That would be...
Oh, God, I want that so bad.
dan friesen
And it would prove the simulation for sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think it is an interesting thought, though, in terms of what would constitute an escalation.
It would really have to be some kind of...
There's an attempt on Alex's life, or he's in jail for something.
The rest of this stuff is kind of piddly.
Like, he can go and get drunk on a podcast and talk about his dick and, like, I don't know.
He's done that before.
He can go on Rogan and, like, I'll give you the big enchilada.
He's done that before, too.
I think it's diminishing returns.
I don't know what he can do.
I mean, he went to the border and he got a big publicity stunt out of it back in April or months ago whenever he did it.
Trying to go back to that well, it's dry.
Ironic, because it's raining.
But it's a dry well.
I don't know what you do.
jordan holmes
Let's see.
I mean, you gotta go somewhere and force an arrest.
You gotta go to, like, a mayor's house.
dan friesen
It seems like it would be easy, too, because you could protest something.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
I mean, people on the left get arrested for protesting all the time.
jordan holmes
Pretty much most of what they do.
Yeah.
The government's not huge on protesting itself.
dan friesen
Yeah, he could...
You know, he has a lot of wrong ideas, but he could protest in a legal fashion, you know, peaceful resistance.
jordan holmes
Something.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
It's a sad state.
jordan holmes
Ooh, he could drive a tank down Main Street.
unidentified
Ooh.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
Okay.
unidentified
You know it's legal to own tanks.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I think we'll see.
I think it'll be interesting to see where things go in the future.
And I think this was a pathetic display on his part.
Oh, yeah.
It is woefully transparent, and I would...
I would say that anybody who's interested, go watch the video and watch the kids that he is specifically talking about and see how that does not match up at all with the public-facing narrative that he landed on after spitballing and trying to figure out exactly how he could best sell it.
And if you can understand that, you can understand a whole lot about how Alex creates the narratives that he creates and why.
jordan holmes
And about how the entire right wing creates their propaganda machine.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It is translatable to a lot of...
Oh, yeah.
But we'll be back on Monday, Jordan, and I'm excited somewhat to see how Alex deals with Rumsfeld.
I'm excited to see...
jordan holmes
I mean, he should hate Rumsfeld, though.
dan friesen
He does.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
So, I just don't know.
I don't know.
I could see him giving a glowing eulogy, too.
dan friesen
I don't think there would be a glowing eulogy.
I think he doesn't...
There's no way he can like Rumsfeld at this point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can't.
dan friesen
But he also has built up Rumsfeld as a giant globalist.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, like, there's no way for this to be another patriot assassination.
jordan holmes
Secret patriot.
Hey, come on now.
dan friesen
Impossible, impossible.
That would be like trying to rehab Karl Rove.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's too much.
unidentified
Can't do it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can't retcon true evil.
dan friesen
No.
But I'm excited to see what does end up...
I'm transpiring once Alex gets back from the border.
unidentified
Indeed.
dan friesen
And we'll find out.
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
Is that knowledgefight?
That go to bed, Jordan.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
iTunes.
Please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work.
dan friesen
Yep.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
I am the Punisher of Seatbelt Law.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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