Today, Dan and Jordan dip back into the past to make their way through a rough patch on Alex Jones' show. In this installment, Alex talks to two jerks about Bilderberg, and a caller describes how he found George H.W. Bush's secret church outside Sugarland, TX.
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| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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Stop it. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller in my future. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones and also worship at the altar of Selene. | ||
| Autopilot, baby. | ||
| Hey, hey, it's okay. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| We got a sneaky steak episode. | ||
| You don't have to nail it perfectly. | ||
| I didn't even realize that until after it had come out of my mouth. | ||
| No, I didn't hear it at all. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I heard you say worship at the altar of Selene and then just let it. | ||
| I think I've been making so many buttons with Selene. | ||
| It's in your brain all the time. | ||
| That's where that lives. | ||
| It's an unspoken situation. | ||
| Yes, Dan! | ||
| But I do have a question for you. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| What's your bright spot today? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is a lot of nice messages that people have sent with the requests for buttons. | ||
| As I make these buttons, unfortunately, there's so many that I cannot possibly respond to most of these. | ||
| So please just know that I have read these messages and I very much appreciate them. | ||
| And their buttons will be sent as they're received. | ||
| Also, here's your response to the message. | ||
| Some fucking buttons! | ||
| That's right! | ||
| I'm taking a weirdly aggressive tone! | ||
| Yes, that is how I'm feeling. | ||
| And also, something that has come up a number of times is people wanting to pay for postage, particularly international wonks, thinking like, I'll pay something for postage. | ||
| And that's a really nice thing, but I want this to be a gift for folks. | ||
| So I don't want... | ||
| I appreciate that, but I don't want to accept that. | ||
| But I also don't want to be disrespectful to that generosity. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| And so, if anybody feels the... | ||
| Here's what I would say. | ||
| This is my blanket response. | ||
| Feel free to give a little donation to a charity that you support or you think that Celine would support and do it in the name of my cat. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We will all worship at the altar of Celine eventually because that is the name that we'll be donating to every cause from now on. | ||
| Donate to a charity in my cat's name and that'll be good for the postage. | ||
| That'll be good for everybody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So my bright spot was thinking about that. | ||
| Imagine if we were as wealthy as Bill Gates and you were just like, our foundation is named the Cult of Selene. | ||
| Let's move on! | ||
| Yeah, that wouldn't start any conspiracies at all. | ||
| No problem at all there! | ||
| We're donating $3 billion in the name of the Cult of Selene. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
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Uh-oh. | |
| What's your bright spot, Jordan? | ||
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Dan, my bright spot is Wimbledon! | |
| God damn it, what a tennis. | ||
| I know, another tennis one. | ||
| No, this year, because of the, I don't know if you noticed, but the past year has been rough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this year, the French Open in Wimbledon were only a month apart. | ||
| And I will tell you this, inspiring shit, Dan. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Andy Murray. | ||
| Andy Murray. | ||
| The Andy Murray? | ||
| The Andy Murray. | ||
| Former member of the Big Four, back when there was a Big Four and Andy was not kicked out of it. | ||
| Former world number one, destroyed by injuries. | ||
| He's... | ||
| Old as shit now. | ||
| Back in Wimbledon for the first time in years. | ||
| Won his first match. | ||
| So did Federer. | ||
| Coming back after his injuries at Wimbledon, my friend. | ||
| This is a big deal. | ||
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So anyway, that's my bright spot. | |
| I've got a lot of energy. | ||
| Andy Murray is an amazing person. | ||
| I understand that, but that was like Charlie Brown's teacher to me. | ||
| That was just wah-wah, wah-wah-wah-wah-wah-wah. | ||
| I could not understand a word you were saying. | ||
| This is why I keep my love to myself. | ||
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Yeah, I want to care. | |
| And I want to join you in the things that make you excited, but I could not, like, my eyes glazed over. | ||
| I listened to you talk about Christian Ska on a podcast on my own time. | ||
| Well, that's because I have interesting thoughts about it. | ||
| Unlike me and Dennis. | ||
| No, I understand. | ||
| I understand completely. | ||
| I have some more thoughts about Survivor, if you're interested. | ||
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I did. | |
| So, Jordan, instead of some wonk shout-outs today, one of the things I wanted to do, since we're doing a Sneaky Snake Wednesday episode here, I wanted to zip, get into the mailbag. | ||
| Because it's been a little while. | ||
| It has been a while. | ||
| We have a little bit of catching up to do. | ||
| So, Steve in London, I want to give you a thanks for the Department of Truth graphic novel. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| Appreciate that. | ||
| Also, Jace sent some cool shirts, those Q shirts, those Q meme shirts kind of thing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They're from Infidel Memewear. | ||
| And I went over to their website and checked out some of the designs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're pretty cool. | ||
| I think there's one I may end up getting a hoodie. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| I mean, this is not sponsored. | ||
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This is SpawnCon. | |
| But thank you for the shirt and cool stuff. | ||
| Yeah, thank you very much. | ||
| Also, Keith and Laurel sent a care package a while back and I have been horrible about giving a thank you and I really appreciate it. | ||
| Thank you, folks. | ||
| Turn that horrible into Lorable and thank you very much, Keith and Laurel. | ||
| You're a basket of Lorables. | ||
| So thank you so much. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Also, this is something that we forgot to do, and I felt a little bit guilty about it. | ||
| And that was when we were giving a thank you to Bex. | ||
| Bex sent that ukulele. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| The pink ukulele that we were very confused about, and it turns out it was for you. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Because of Steven Universe. | ||
| Steven Universe, pink lion! | ||
| And then I got a green ukulele from Bex. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because of plants. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But what I forgot to do was Bex requested that I give a shout-out to Quicksilver on the Discord, and I forgot to do that. | ||
| I would like to right that wrong by saying, what's up, Quicksilver? | ||
| Hey, Quicksilver on the Discord. | ||
| I have no idea what any of this means. | ||
| This is also Charlie Brown's teachers. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, Jordan, let's get heavy. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Giving someone life is giving someone death. | ||
| You could say that life is death. | ||
| You could. | ||
| You could. | ||
| Happy birthday, J.G. Gunner. | ||
| I hope you had a good one. | ||
| Also, Dexter reached out and wanted us to wish a happy birthday to Zoe. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Wow, you can't be named Dexter and wish a happy birthday after opening with giving someone life is giving someone death. | ||
| I've never watched that show. | ||
| I don't think you need to. | ||
| I think you get the reference. | ||
| I do. | ||
| He kills serial killers. | ||
| He kills people. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| I heard the ending was bad. | ||
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Probably. | |
| I never watched the show either. | ||
| Also, Renee checked in and wanted to wish Rosemary a happy birthday. | ||
| And this is fun because Rosemary recently reached out and wanted to wish Renee a happy birthday. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| So turnabout is fair play. | ||
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Of course. | |
| Also, Renee says, she's the best friend I could have and thanks for putting up with me. | ||
| Happy birthday, Rosemary. | ||
| Unfortunately, life is death. | ||
| Life is death. | ||
| According to Alex Jones. | ||
| Unfortunately. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we're in the past. | ||
| Oh, I like the past. | ||
| We're digging into the past, and we're going to be talking about May 22nd through 27th, 2003. | ||
| No blackjack! | ||
| No. | ||
| Dealer got blackjack. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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And not great. | |
| Not a great stretch of time, if I'm going to be perfectly honest with you. | ||
| There's some funny things that happen, but in terms of, like, if you're looking for anything in-depth, I am afraid you're not going to find it here. | ||
| Not going to happen? | ||
| No. | ||
| May 22nd, not the best day of the year. | ||
| 22nd and 23rd, a lot of it is talking about Bilderberg. | ||
| A lot of it is talking about the same sort of Bilderberg conspiracies that we've discussed over and over again. | ||
| And it's very boilerplate, fairly boring. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's Thursday and Friday. | ||
| Alex doesn't have a Sunday show at this point. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Monday is a repeat of a show from the past week. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Because I think it's Memorial Day. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| And then so Tuesday he comes back on the 27th. | ||
| And there's a little bit of... | ||
| Interesting callers, maybe, but there is nothing going on. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| It is a wasteland. | ||
| I like how we've gotten so far into this show that a Bilderberg conspiracy, we're like, Jesus, that's quaint. | ||
| Back in the day, oh, Bilderberg, yeah, they were scary back then. | ||
| No, man, Bill Gates is killing everyone now! | ||
| Bill Gates-ter-berg. | ||
| There's one thing about the people that he has to talk about Bilderberg that I think is worth pointing out. | ||
| But in terms of the actual conspiracies, they're all just exactly the same stuff, as always. | ||
| I feel like a pertinent question every opening of the show is just going to be like, hey, are we going to be getting into blood libel today, Dan? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's what I thought. | ||
| Do you say Bilderberg in 2003? | ||
| I'm guessing anti-Semitism. | ||
| Might come quicker than you think. | ||
| So we start here on the 22nd, and not much is going on until Alex takes some calls. | ||
| He takes some calls fairly early in the episode, and Alex, I think he's Mr. Brightside. | ||
| He's talking to this caller. | ||
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I just wanted to tell you what I do, so if other people are listening, they'll do the same. | |
| I make books with news stories, and I pass them all out, and I pass out your movies. | ||
| And 911's the best one. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Well, we're getting 90% wake-up with Road to Tyranny people. | ||
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Yeah, I get a lot of people who, yeah, they wake up and stuff, but, like, some of my friends, like, if they even start talking to me about it, like, their girlfriends or wives, you know, like, give them a look. | |
| You know, they're not allowed to talk to me. | ||
| Most of my friends don't even talk to me anymore. | ||
| Man. | ||
| Man. | ||
| Don't blame the girlfriends. | ||
| Yeah, everyone's waking up, but now they won't talk to me anymore because their girlfriends won't let them. | ||
| That's very sad. | ||
| That is unfortunate. | ||
| That is bad. | ||
| I need... | ||
| I need corroborating evidence on we're getting 90% wake-up. | ||
| I need a survey response. | ||
| I need something. | ||
| I need a Rasmussen poll. | ||
| Look, I remember back when I first started out my job, one of the ways that we marketed was with direct mail campaigns, and you get like a 0.5% response. | ||
| That was the industry average. | ||
| If you're telling me you're getting 90% wake-up out of this, I gotta know what you're doing. | ||
| If you're getting 90% response to something, it's got to be like heroin. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
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Totally. | |
| Or sophisticated brainwashing. | ||
| So I actually do have a little bit of insight into this, because Alex was talking to another caller, and he gives out DVDs to people, and he's like, I'm getting a 100% response from people. | ||
| 100% wake up. | ||
| And they talk about it, and the way that this guy's defining that is that everybody who takes the DVD seems happy about it. | ||
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But still, there's a lot of people who are not taking the DVDs. | |
| Which also means they didn't necessarily watch it. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know if there's follow-up with these people about the content of it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But this caller in particular, this first one, is just really bumming me out because you can really see what this looks like in real life. | ||
| You know what this looks like in real life. | ||
| It's a friend telling you weird shit and then their girlfriend's like, look. | ||
| We can't have him at parties anymore. | ||
| He really freaks out my normal friends? | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He said something incredibly rude because somebody challenged him on this and he freaked out because you're not awake. | ||
| We can't live that way. | ||
| That's not how we live. | ||
| If that guy wants to be over there by himself listening to Alex, fine. | ||
| So this behavior also apparently extends to digital stuff with this caller. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Not every seed sprouts the first year, except they're dormant. | ||
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I email stories, like when people send me them stupid emails with, like, you know, it's forwarded a thousand times. | |
| I still all them emails. | ||
| I email, like, Post, Gazette, and Trib stories. | ||
| And there's links with your movie on there. | ||
| I email that to people. | ||
| I probably emailed, like, thousands, and I probably got back, like, 20 responses. | ||
| I got, like, five thank yous. | ||
| And most people, you know, tell me I'm crazy or where'd you get my email from? | ||
| You know, that's about a half a percent. | ||
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I keep emailing them back. | |
| All right, sir, I appreciate the call. | ||
| Yeah, he's one of those weirdos that thinks the world is round. | ||
| He's definitely a weirdo. | ||
| He's definitely a weirdo. | ||
| Well... | ||
| He's getting chain emails, saving people's email addresses. | ||
| See, there we go. | ||
| That's the one. | ||
| Spamming them. | ||
| There we are. | ||
| And then when they respond, how did you get my email? | ||
| He keeps sending them Infowars stuff. | ||
| That's... | ||
| That's harassment. | ||
| I would say that's an interesting... | ||
| Look, I will give them this. | ||
| That is an innovation towards chain emails that I had not even considered that you could essentially turn those into your own mailing list and just bother people for the rest of their lives. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you could do that. | ||
| You'd also have to recognize if you do, that you're a piece of shit. | ||
| Yes, there is that. | ||
| Not all innovations are good. | ||
| I will agree with that. | ||
| So Alex gets another call, and this guy has got a bad question, and Alex has a worse answer. | ||
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Alex, can I ask you a real quick question before the break there? | |
| Sure. | ||
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Someone told me that... | |
| The 9-11 attack, there are 7,000 Jews that are employed in the World Trade Center. | ||
| They were not employed at work that day. | ||
| You ever hear anything about that? | ||
| That is true. | ||
| MSNBC checked into it and said the urban legend was true. | ||
| Also, the Jewish newspapers have reported they were told not to go to work. | ||
| That is a confirmed fact. | ||
| That's so fucked up. | ||
| I don't think it needs to be said that Alex is completely wrong and lending credibility to an explicitly anti-Semitic conspiracy theory about 9-11 here. | ||
| This is lazy, sloppy behavior that only serves to validate the complete bullshit that this caller has heard from his bigot friends, and Alex is just using his platform as a voice of authority or certainty on the subject in a way that is abhorrent. | ||
| You can very easily find the names of many Jewish victims of the 9-11 attack. | ||
| Some were on planes, some were firefighters who died trying to save their fellow persons'lives, and many worked at the World Trade Center or at the Pentagon. | ||
| I could name specific names because I can. | ||
| I can find them. | ||
| And I've read biographic sketches of these people, a little mini obituary. | ||
| I'm not going to get into specifics out of respect for those people's memories. | ||
| And it wouldn't change anybody's mind anyways. | ||
| This narrative was a baseless claim that was made to demonize the Jewish population of the United States and to imply some kind of complicity in the attack. | ||
| Alex should be deeply ashamed of this response. | ||
| I can't believe we got to the very first time in 2003 that the Jews were blamed for something that they had nothing to do with. | ||
| I don't think this is the first time even in Alex's show in 2003 that we've gotten there. | ||
| But I thought that that was bad on Alex's part. | ||
| I just think that this caller, they're going out to break. | ||
| He's saying, hey, is it true that all the Jewish people were told to stay home? | ||
| Yes, that is true. | ||
| It costs you nothing to just be like, no. | ||
| No. | ||
| Actually, that is nonsense. | ||
| Yeah, there's no other... | ||
| I mean, there's just no interpretation of that that doesn't wind up with the Jews were involved in the planning and the attack. | ||
| And it's specifically the... | ||
| Capital V, capital J. The Jews. | ||
| Not like these people. | ||
| Not a group of them. | ||
| The entirety of Judaism. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So we're fucked. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So Alex gets to a first guest here on the 22nd, and it's a Bilderberg expert. | ||
| I remember five, six, seven, eight years ago on the radio, I'd talk about the Bilderberg group and get calls from listeners. | ||
| I heard that's a code word. | ||
| For terrorism. | ||
| It doesn't exist. | ||
| You're insane. | ||
| I heard on the news. | ||
| Insane people believe this exists. | ||
| It doesn't exist. | ||
| Well, it does exist, and now it's public, thanks to the work of folks out there, like Tony Gosling of Bilderberg.org, who's about to join us. | ||
| So, I'd never heard of this dude. | ||
| Tony Gosling? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I wanted to learn a little bit more about him, because he's not the Bilderberg expert that I'm used to Alex having on. | ||
| Wasn't he in the notebook? | ||
| It's his brother. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| When later time Alex Jones is trying to look into a Bilderberg story, he pretty much always talks to Big Jim Tucker. | ||
| And then in second place, if Jim's not available or had died by then, Alex would talk to Daniel Estelin. | ||
| Tony Gosling's not a super relevant name in the periods that I've listened to of Alex's show. | ||
| Tony runs a website called Bilderberg.org, and I will say that this site pretty quickly deteriorates from being about the Bilderberg Group at all. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| If you scroll down his homepage, you'll soon find a picture of Jesus as Che Guevara, which is on a shirt that he sells. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| And then a reprinting of the Ten Commandments and the Lord's Prayer. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| It's weirdly religiously centered for what appears to be a site about the Bilderberg Group, which, if I'm not mistaken, and based on this interview that I'm hearing on Alex's show is supposed to be a political conspiracy. | ||
| Things really fall apart when you get to the section titled, quote, My Spiritual Beliefs. | ||
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No! | |
| That should be on everybody's wall. | ||
| Things really fall apart when I say, here are my personal beliefs. | ||
| This passage stood out as not sounding great. | ||
| Many problems have been caused by some of the Jewish people's refusal to acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah. | ||
| That does sound like the root cause of many problems. | ||
| Many Jews, for example, live in Old Testament Torah times believing they're still God's chosen people. | ||
| It seems clear to me that God cut off the Jewish hierarchy from his favor after they pleaded successfully for the unjust death of his only son. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Where? | ||
| Where? | ||
| When? | ||
| Why? | ||
| In the Bible? | ||
| Do you mean the Bible where they wrote letters the rest of the New Testament is writing letters to Jews about Jesus being great? | ||
| There's a lot of conversation about who is or is not real Jews also on that site. | ||
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There we are. | |
| It's a little... | ||
| Convoluted and not good. | ||
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Okay. | |
| The website's also just weird. | ||
| If you scroll down a little bit further, you find a list of Tony's 30 top movies. | ||
| What did you just say to me? | ||
| The Life of Brian weirdly came in at number 24. How can The Life of Brian be on there? | ||
| Hey, he likes to have fun. | ||
| You know, this satire of every... | ||
| My personal beliefs, my 24th favorite movie, eviscerates how stupid they are. | ||
| Great. | ||
| So after that, there's a section about how great Bill Hicks was as a comedian. | ||
| I'm not kidding. | ||
| I'm not kidding. | ||
| There's a big section about Bill Hicks. | ||
| No! | ||
| What is wrong with the humanity? | ||
| It's a really poorly laid out and confusing website, and I don't know if it would even be helpful, even if you did assume that he had evidence of something. | ||
| Listen, religion is the center of... | ||
| I'm part of all of our problems in this life. | ||
| This guy is my favorite comedian. | ||
| Anyways, here are my personal beliefs. | ||
| Number four or five on his list was They Live. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Well, that one actually tracks. | ||
| I didn't recognize a lot of the names of the movies, and I'm guessing some of them were not good. | ||
| It'd be funny if they were all... | ||
| It was like They Live... | ||
| The Life of Brian, and then a bunch of weird '70s artists. | ||
| Like, Harold and Maude is up there. | ||
| They shoot horses, don't they? | ||
| Everything Lee Remick has ever been in. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, all of that stuff. | ||
| Everything by, like, Lenny Riefenstahl. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| This was, like, I don't know. | ||
| I didn't read over everything, but it seems like this guy's a little bit unwell, and he's a bit defensive about his positions vis-a-vis Judaism. | ||
| He's defensive about his movies! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So... | ||
| Welcome to Bilderberg.org Top 30 Movies Today. | ||
| A lot of the stuff that he has to say about Bilderberg is all kind of the same stuff you hear from just about any of these folks. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Let's... | ||
| Imagine what they're talking about. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Although, this guy did have a little bit of a fun twist on it, and that he seemed to be kind of like a bird watcher for Bilderberg members. | ||
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Okay! | |
| Because he seemed to get really excited when he was talking about how one day, one day... | ||
| He saw one in the wild. | ||
| No. | ||
| One day during the Bilderberg conference, all the people, all the richies who were attending the conference decided that they were going to go to the Palace of Versailles, and they were going to just go tour around. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So he was like gawking at rich, powerful people. | ||
| He was really excited that David Rockefeller actually answered a couple questions from people and it didn't seem standoffish or mad. | ||
| It was like, I think you just enjoy this. | ||
| There's a really... | ||
| I don't see a conspiracy here. | ||
| I think you like following around like a powerful group of people or something. | ||
| No, I feel like we're in a situation where like... | ||
| The continuum is there's a very thin line between avid hater and fanboy. | ||
| There's a very thin line between, like, oh, I hate the Bilderberg group, and I'm going to follow them everywhere they go and hope to catch a glimpse of them. | ||
| He seemed like he was on that line. | ||
| He was riding it a little bit more than a lot of the other folks, like the Tuckers or Estillans, that seemed just to be either insane or full of hate. | ||
| But yeah, this guy... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Here's just a clip of... | ||
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In his own words, let's hear what he has to say. | |
| He's an interesting character, Bernhard, because he's both before and after he started the Bilderberg, had some really disastrous things happen to him, which throw a lot of doubt over his integrity. | ||
| First of all, his membership before the U.S. entered World War II of the... | ||
| Of the SS, the German SS. | ||
| He then left Germany afterwards and married into the Dutch royal family. | ||
| But he was in Hitler's feared SS during the war. | ||
| This is the guy that started the group off. | ||
| And the irony is, of course, that they will tell us that one of the reasons for the group is to stop any other possible Hitler surfacing in the future. | ||
| Now, I would have thought one of the worst people to start an organisation dedicated to that task was someone who'd been in Hitler's SS. | ||
| was a member of the Rider SS, a mounted division of the SS. | ||
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Sure. | |
| This is definitely not cool, and I'm not making any kind of an excuse for it, but it's usually a good idea when you're looking at a historical figure like this to judge them based on the measure of a person's actions as opposed to... | ||
| A tiny, not a tiny detail, but a specific individual detail. | ||
| Barnard clearly did not support the Nazis in World War II, and he actively fought against them when Hitler invaded the Netherlands in 1940. | ||
| His track record is fairly clear, and he was fighting Hitler's forces before the U.S. even was. | ||
| This is an instance of something that's a true enough fact that's being used to create a dishonest image in the listener's head. | ||
| The goal is to portray Barnard as somebody who fought alongside the Nazis in the war and as someone who's a part of this elite division of Hitler's organization, and that's just not true. | ||
| There's more complexity to this than that. | ||
| Yeah, that's got Soros' dad written all over it. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Fine! | ||
| I get what... | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Your fundamental basic fact is correct, and by leaving out literally everything else, you can support your narrative. | ||
| But that's not the only fact. | ||
| Yeah, and probably Prince Barnard's a little bit less of a sympathetic figure than 14-year-old George Soros. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Inasmuch as he was older, and he was a member of the writing SS, but still... | ||
| The totality of his actions during the war speak to somebody who was not on the side of Hitler. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who was not on the side of the Nazis. | ||
| And I think that at that point you can say, all right, this was a blip on your... | ||
| It's a stain on your history. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it's not something that should be deterministic of your character. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's what this guy wants to present. | ||
| Barnard as, because, you know, he hates the Bilderberg group, and if one of the people who co-founded it can be just portrayed as, you know, one of Hitler's higher-ups, then there you go. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, it's one of the most annoying things, because you don't, like, I don't need help being prejudiced against a prince. | ||
| Like, I'm fine with that. | ||
| I don't like royalty. | ||
| But you can't make me hate him based on bullshit. | ||
| That's not fair. | ||
| Also, I'd like to correct myself. | ||
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That's not fair. | |
| His name is Bernhard. | ||
| I kept saying Barnard. | ||
| I did hear Barnard, and I was like... | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I mean, yeah, I don't need help. | ||
| I don't need help there. | ||
| And you lying about him makes me then have to defend him, which I don't want to do. | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't want to defend a prince. | ||
| Fuck royalty. | ||
| No, it makes you need to be like, hold on a second here. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And then secondarily, it makes me very wary of whatever information you're putting out. | ||
| Whatever information you have about the Bilderberg group seems kind of sketchy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If this is the level of accusation you're making. | ||
| If you can't get a basic detail contextually right, then why would I believe the rest of what you have to say? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, the rest of this is just, you know, standard Bilderberg conspiracy nonsense. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Gossip. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And birdwatching of rich people. | ||
| You know, can't argue with good birdwatching. | ||
| So Alex gets back to calls, and this caller was sort of relevant to my interests, and that is, of course, whether or not Alex was fighting the literal devil in 2003. | ||
| This gives us a little hint, maybe? | ||
| Wyatt, Maryland. | ||
| Wyatt, you're on the air. | ||
| Go ahead, sir. | ||
| Good afternoon, Alex. | ||
| How you doing? | ||
| Good, good. | ||
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Boy, there's so much to talk about and there's a little time. | |
| But all I can say is the demons are loose and they're out. | ||
| And they're doing the work. | ||
| I mean, Alex doesn't have a direct response to that, but they're loose. | ||
| Demons are loose. | ||
| Demons are loose. | ||
| I don't know what happened, but demons got loose. | ||
| Who let the demons out? | ||
| Listen, we had them in a corral. | ||
| In, uh, northwestern Montana, we had kept all the demons there, that's how we had developed this great nation of ours, and somebody tripped, ruined the summoning circle, and now the demons are loose. | ||
| There's just nothing to do. | ||
| Someone's gotta get a lasso. | ||
| We gotta drive in these here demons. | ||
| I think we need the regulators. | ||
| I think Nate Dogg and Warren G need to mount up. | ||
| R.I.P. | ||
| I think that this is an indication of some of the, like, Conversation that is clearly just pretty organic and natural on Alex's show at this time. | ||
| Talking about demons being loose and what have you. | ||
| But it's still kind of a nebulous picture for me. | ||
| I'm leaning more towards there being a real literalist religious vibe going on. | ||
| I'm leaning closer to that, but I also don't have nearly the amount of information that we do from the president that Alex legit thinks. | ||
| The shoot devil is there and he's pulling the strings of the enemies. | ||
| I mean, this guy sounds like he definitely believes that the literal demons are loose. | ||
| This dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But... | ||
| They're doing work. | ||
| I mean, you could still see that as a metaphor, or you could, if you're Alex and you're responding to that, you could see that as a metaphor for the demonic impulses of the elite are given free reign now. | ||
| No longer having to be corralled or moderated. | ||
| Yeah, who knows? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex gets a lot of mileage out of people pretending that he's been right about so many things. | ||
| About so many things! | ||
| For 27 years. | ||
| He's righter than he is wrong, and he's not. | ||
| But one of the things that I thought was really fun about this next clip is he makes a bunch of predictions about gun grabbing and stuff. | ||
| And we live in the future now. | ||
| Everything he says is wrong. | ||
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Okay. | |
| They're going to reauthorize Clinton's gun ban, and they're going to expand it radically. | ||
| So they're going to add a semi-automatic shotgun ban. | ||
| That's the NRA telling you that. | ||
| They're going to sign S-22, which is Patriot Act 2 in the Senate, full of... | ||
| Gun registration, shutting down the gun shows, national ballistics databases. | ||
| The most gun control, the most hardcore, draconian stuff we've ever seen. | ||
| And the average conservative out there has no idea because the neocons like Rush Limbaugh, Neil Bords, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity will not tell them. | ||
| Wow, he likes a lot of those people now. | ||
| Yeah, loves them. | ||
| And all those predictions are wrong. | ||
| I was trying to keep track of him. | ||
| I wrote, nope. | ||
| Nope. | ||
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Nope. | |
| And also nope. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| None of those happened. | ||
| Yes, that is true. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So yeah, I mean, he's right most of the time. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Anyway, this next clip, Alex goes back to calls. | ||
| And this dude... | ||
| I tried to trace this down. | ||
| I got very little on this. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| But this was... | ||
| I enjoyed this. | ||
| Is this going to be a big swing? | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| Tom in Texas, you're on the air. | ||
| Go ahead, sir. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| It's Tom Powell. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
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Go ahead. | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Alex, I was the one that first informed Tex Mars in 1988 about the church, the hidden church over there on Highway 6. Sir, I really don't understand what you're saying. | ||
| You're going to have to give us some background. | ||
| I do not understand this. | ||
| And I want to know more. | ||
| Tell me about the hidden church on Route 6. Well, thankfully, Alex does ask for clarification. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| And here it comes. | ||
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Okay, the background is I went to this church that we moved queues out of. | |
| And the old man walked out cussing like a sailor because we got there late. | ||
| He said, you realize whose church this is? | ||
| I said, no. | ||
| He said, this is George Bush's church. | ||
| Well, we walked in and had a big swastika hanging down. | ||
| And up above the pulpit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can see that. | ||
| So I said, well, okay. | ||
| Well, tell me all about it. | ||
| That's the Christian symbol up there, he said. | ||
| And he showed me all the pictures in the offices of the Bush family. | ||
| So about, I guess, two weeks later, I went and told Tex Mars about it at a convention. | ||
| It's Hobby Airport. | ||
| So, first of all, this dude worked for a moving company, and he was called to show up at a backwards hidden church to remove pews, but somehow the only person there hadn't called them to move the furniture and was confused that they were there? | ||
| Correct. | ||
| This is a little fishy. | ||
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No. | |
| My second issue is that this was in 1988, so at this point, George H.W. Bush was coming to the end of his second term as vice president and was about to win the 1988 election for president. | ||
| He still flew back to Texas every Sunday to go to the hidden church on Route 6. Everybody knows that. | ||
| George W. Bush hadn't even become Texas governor yet, and honestly, he hadn't even bought the Texas Rangers at this point. | ||
| I don't see how it would be in either of their interests to be running a secret Nazi church in the middle of Texas when they were spending most of their time at this point in D.C. and campaigning. | ||
| I am the vice president of the United States. | ||
| And have been for years. | ||
| One of the most looked at. | ||
| Observed and known where a person is at all times. | ||
| Almost like there's a schedule that's public. | ||
| That's public. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| But on Sundays, flies back to Texas, heads to the hidden Nazi church. | ||
| Go to the Nazi church. | ||
| No one knows about it. | ||
| Except for this guy, the U-Haul mover who accidentally showed up there or something. | ||
| And there are hidden pictures of the... | ||
| Okay, okay, so you're telling me. | ||
| You're telling me that this moving company shows up. | ||
| The guy is cussing like a sailor says, do you know whose church this is? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, he seems to be real neighborly. | ||
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Hey! | |
| Hey! | ||
| This is the hidden church on Route 6. Come on in. | ||
| Let me show you the Vice President's Nazi memorabilia. | ||
| Well, you know, I work for George H.W. Bush, and he specifically told me when he left that while I was watching over the place, I was to tell everybody... | ||
| Let everybody know. | ||
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Be sure you show the pictures of me and my family. | |
| Yes! | ||
| I want this information getting out! | ||
| That's why I go to this hidden church! | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| Also, Tex Mars is an extreme anti-Semite. | ||
| So, yeah, it's not good that this guy thought, like, hey... | ||
| First person I gotta get this information to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So Alex wants to know where this church is. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Because that is an important question. | ||
| Now, where is this church, sir? | ||
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That was the problem. | |
| When I told Tex Mars, he wrote about me in his book, hidden down in the rainbow. | ||
| I'm the one that informed him about it. | ||
| He didn't know nothing about it. | ||
| And he found it to be true. | ||
| Okay, where is this church, sir? | ||
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Okay, it was on Highway 6. Best I can remember, this is in 88, and I'll have to do some more investigation. | |
| Outside where? | ||
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Right outside, it's close to, I'd say going out past Sugar Land. | |
| Outside Houston. | ||
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Right, it's on the east side of Houston. | |
| I mean, the west side of Houston. | ||
| Look, man, if you find the Vice President's Nazi Church, you don't forget... | ||
| You will always know where the Vice President's Nazi Church is. | ||
| You will drive people by. | ||
| It's pretty big. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's a pretty big thing. | ||
| No, I would find ways... | ||
| I would be like, hey, look, the main highway has been torn down. | ||
| We're gonna have to take the long way through Highway 6. Yeah. | ||
| Oh, by the way, I met... | ||
| George Bush's Nazi pastor, and he's got pictures of George Bush with Nazi bullshit. | ||
| I find it difficult to believe that if you did find something like this, you wouldn't go back yourself. | ||
| All the time! | ||
| Not all the time. | ||
| Not all the time. | ||
| But at least you'd go back and be like, did I really see what I thought? | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, this is Brigadoon. | ||
| It's outrageous. | ||
| So anyway, this church, I want to ask you how you're picturing this. | ||
| How big is it? | ||
| What are you imagining? | ||
| Give me some physical attributes that you're... | ||
| Alright. | ||
| I see it seating maybe 60 to 80 people. | ||
| So it's kind of a smaller congregation. | ||
| Kind of a smaller congregation. | ||
| There's two rows of pews on either side with a walkway there. | ||
| There's a pulpit, and directly behind it, hanging, is a, let's call it, 20-foot-tall Nazi flag, based on his description. | ||
| Do you think that it's a place that's in, like, good repair? | ||
| Do you think it's something that's dilapidated? | ||
| What are your feelings on this? | ||
| I think it has to have that feel of being absurdly clean for the area that it's in. | ||
| Like, the walls are painted absurdly white, almost as if they're immune to the nature around them. | ||
| So it's like an OR, like an operating room in the middle of a swamp. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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That is an interesting picture, and I think that's probably about what I thought. | |
| We're both wrong. | ||
| How many people would you say the church would see? | ||
| 7,000. | ||
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It was probably at least 800 at the least. | |
| That's a lot. | ||
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It was real organized. | |
| That's a lot of people who know George Bush is a Nazi. | ||
| I mean, the whole family was in there. | ||
| They had the Bushes, the kids, the whole nine yards in there. | ||
| I said, well, I can't believe this is Bushes. | ||
| He said, man, this is the true church of God here. | ||
| He said it was a branch from the Abyssalian. | ||
| I do remember him saying that. | ||
| Sir, I appreciate your call, Tom. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| But look, that is not how I know the globalists operate. | ||
| It's an armored fortress at the Skull and Bones tomb, and that kind of stuff is in there. | ||
| That's confirmed. | ||
| It's guarded at Bohemian Grove, and there is that type of stuff. | ||
| I don't know that story, sir. | ||
| I really don't like to speculate. | ||
| You know, I'm not saying you're a liar, it just doesn't fit. | ||
| It fits with some stuff, but not in other areas. | ||
| I'm so proud of Alex. | ||
| That's one of the few points that I've ever heard him be like, I can't accept this. | ||
| Yeah, that is intense. | ||
| Yeah, how great would it be to be like, I'm on the phone with the person who found George W. Bush's Nazi church. | ||
| And he's like, I can't make this fit. | ||
| This is no good. | ||
| Nah, sir, look, this just doesn't match. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| I'm not calling you a liar, but I don't know about this. | ||
| That is a level of pushback I rarely see from him. | ||
| That's true, but I mean, at the same time, his pushback is not based around, like, that's ridiculous so much as it is, like... | ||
| Okay, I get you think there's a Nazi base on the moon, but it's on Mars. | ||
| Duh! | ||
| I can't accept this Nazi base on the moon whenever my Nazi base is on Mars, man! | ||
| I have to actually push back on what you're saying, because I think that that's not fair. | ||
| I think that what Alex is saying, the reason that he's pushing back on this guy is because he's saying there are little Nazi enclaves and worship centers or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| But they're heavily armed. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You can't get into the skull and bones area where there's the big Nazi flag. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's not going to be one out in the middle of this church that you get welcomed into. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's not that it's like, okay, it's on the moon or on Mars. | ||
| It's the context surrounding this doesn't make sense. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| This would not be that easy to accidentally stumble into. | ||
| I broke into Bohemian Grove. | ||
| That's how I know their things. | ||
| You didn't break into this church. | ||
| No, you were welcomed in. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that would never happen. | ||
| A surprisingly neighborly Nazi. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Alex's narratives require that it's hard to find these secrets. | ||
| True, true. | ||
| And so that's why he's pushing back. | ||
| But I still think that it's at least... | ||
| I mean, functionally, it serves the same purpose as saying that this is ridiculous. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| No, that's definitely true. | ||
| That's definitely true. | ||
| I mean, I assume it would feel like a bit of a personal attack on his manhood if you just got to get secrets by walking into places. | ||
| If you found a potentially bigger scoop than Bohemian Scoop. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Just by accidentally showing up with a U-Haul truck. | ||
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God. | |
| I think it would just be so much easier to be like, really? | ||
| Seats 800, huh? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So there's, what, 768 people who know that the entire Bush family is Nazis? | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| Here's what you don't know. | ||
| There's 800 Bush families. | ||
| Now that might as well be your angle on it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's the only Bush church there's ever been. | ||
| So here's our last clip from the 22nd. | ||
| Alex is talking about the situation in Iraq. | ||
| And he's saying that they're about to confiscate weapons from people. | ||
| Allies to begin seizing weapons from most Iraqis. | ||
| Iraqi citizens will be required to turn over automatic weapons and heavy weapons under a proclamation that Allied authorities plan to issue this week, Allied officials of the day. | ||
| The aim of the proclamation is to help stabilize Iraq by confiscating a huge supply of 847 machine guns, rocket repel grenades, and other weapons that are used by criminal gangs, paramilitary groups, and remnants of the Saddam Hussein's government. | ||
| Well, the remnants of Saddam Hussein's government, we've got the names, the Ba 'ath Party's being put back into control. | ||
| So Alex still thinks, on the 22nd of May, that the Ba 'ath Party is being put back into power, and it's all a CIA operation. | ||
| Isn't he reading about how they're confiscating the Ba 'ath Party's weapons? | ||
| Well, I mean, I think that... | ||
| I have to assume that he just thinks that that's... | ||
| Window dressing or cover or something. | ||
| Yeah, that way people won't suspect that the bath party is still running things. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So I still think that we have not reached a point where this is interesting. | ||
| It's still sort of rising. | ||
| It's crescendoing. | ||
| Reality and Alex just... | ||
| They're on a collision course. | ||
| Head on. | ||
| Head on collision. | ||
| Two trains traveling directly at each other. | ||
| And I'm very interested to see how Alex tries to veer around that looming accident. | ||
| It does have the feel of two trains riding straight towards each other and one train is like, ooh, I can't hit reality so I'm going to turn off and then it hits a bus. | ||
| You're like, way to go. | ||
| So, a large portion of this episode on the 23rd is Alex talking to this Belgian doctor, Dr. Van Marder. | ||
| Marder? | ||
| Marder? | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| That's a good name. | ||
| He's a dude who witnessed crimes being committed by our military against Iraqi civilians, and there's talk of bringing charges against military leaders in foreign courts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That would be nice. | ||
| I have little problem with this interview as a whole. | ||
| I think that this guy is bringing up some fine points. | ||
| But also, it's not a very good interview. | ||
| I don't think that Alex really gets to too many of the more important issues. | ||
| It seems like he's doing a bit of grandstanding and what have you. | ||
| And I think that I just think that the subject matter is covered better by almost anybody else. | ||
| Even in 2003, there were much better commentators that you could find discussing human rights abuses on the part of our military in Iraq. | ||
| Yeah, that's a war crime. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, would you say that this interview is Alex letting somebody give legitimate criticisms of the U.S. military in order for him to, you know... | ||
| Be like, see, the military and the government is all evil, despite not actually giving a shit about the war crimes and just kind of exploiting that the government is evil. | ||
| Somewhat, and then also using it to translate into, like, they're going to start a police state here. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And so I don't think that his use of this stuff is great, but I also think, like... | ||
| Yeah, the U.S. commits war crimes. | ||
| We got it. | ||
| We should do something about it now. | ||
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Soon. | |
| In 2003. | ||
| It's really weird to me. | ||
| It's really weird to remember 2003 and hear that Alex was having a Belgian doctor on to reveal U.S. war crimes and was not... | ||
| I remember how bloodthirsty everybody was. | ||
| Everybody was so fucking bloodthirsty. | ||
| If you went on TV and said, hey, the American government is committing war crimes, there would be another talking head being like, that's the cost of war. | ||
| And people would agree, yes, sometimes you have to commit war crimes. | ||
| To fucking have to live in a world where, unfortunately, despite his exploitative nature, Alex was one of... | ||
| about the U.S. committing war crimes is wild. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| Sorry, I just needed to observe that. | ||
| That just feels like really strange to live in both the present and the past at the same time. | ||
| Yeah, it's worth pointing out. | ||
| I don't think it's worth discussing this interview, like actual clips of it, but it is worth bringing up that that is a reality. | ||
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And again, I think you can say hooray Hooray to an extent to him for that. | |
| Sure. | ||
| But there's still other voices that exist that were talking about these things, and they weren't doing things like the other things that Alex is doing. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And one of those things is hanging out with fucking shitheads and talking about Bilderberg. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, just in the context of that, it is kind of something that I think about a lot just because that's part of how Alex got to where he got to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that there were shit tons of war crimes going on, and because this is correct... | ||
| You are sucked into the rest of his bullshit until he just gets rid of even any pretense of giving a shit about war crimes, and then you're trapped in this place of, neither do I, you know? | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Yeah, it is weird. | ||
| And things that he cares about more aren't those things. | ||
| They aren't issues that he cares about for the sake of them. | ||
| He cares about them as a means. | ||
| And it's an important thing to point out that one of the big reasons that we are here where propagandists can destroy everything is that cyclical nature between a corrupt, war crime-committing government and a propaganda outlet who's creating that, like, yeah, you can't trust these war crime-committing people for good reasons until it spirals out of control, and now you can't trust anybody. | ||
| Or anything. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sorry. | ||
| I got... | ||
| Lost on a tangent there. | ||
| Apologies, apologies. | ||
| No worries. | ||
| So one of the things that Alex does care more about, one of the things that's really consistent, like I said, is that Bilderberg shit. | ||
| And so he had that guy, Tony Gosling, on the 22nd talk about Bilderberg, and go check out his website. | ||
| He has some iffy opinions. | ||
| I would like Alex to put his top 30 movies on the Infowars website. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I think it would all just be... | ||
| Oblivion 1 through 30. Yeah. | ||
| Real life's a movie, man. | ||
| So he has another expert on the 23rd. | ||
| That's Big Jim Tucker, baby. | ||
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Well, I spent 20 years with the establishment press, with Washington Daily News, Akron Beacon Journal, Richmond Times, and other newspapers until 1975 when I was being interviewed by Willis Carter at Liberty Lobby for the position of editor of a newspaper he was getting ready to create called The Spotlight. | |
| He asked me what I thought about Bilderberg, and I said, who are they? | ||
| And he gave me a brief description. | ||
| I said, that's impossible. | ||
| I've been with newspapers all my life. | ||
| Such a group could not exist without me knowing. | ||
| Willis Cardo is a Nazi and white supremacist. | ||
| The Spectator was a paper whose editorial position was anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial. | ||
| Jim Tucker was the editor of that paper. | ||
| In case you've forgotten since we talked about him in our Endgame coverage, here's one of Willis Cardo's famous quotes. | ||
| Quote, If Satan himself, with all of his superhuman genius and diabolical ingenuity at his command, had tried to create a permanent disintegration and force for the destruction of the nations, he could have done no better than invent the Jews. | ||
| Describing his motivation to start the spotlight, the ADL says in a bio of Cardo, quote, Cardo's chief aim was always to mobilize opinion against Jews. | ||
| Liberty lobby was his chief instrument to bridge right-wing constituencies. | ||
| Hard right or paramilitary libertarians, conspiratorial anti-communists, racists, by inflaming their anti-government and nativist fears and identifying Jews as the country's chief threat. | ||
| Willis Cardo is a bigot who wanted to sway public opinion against Jews with his media entities, and Jim Tucker worked for his big media entity from its beginning in 1975 until they folded in 2001. | ||
| Fuck him, and fuck whatever he has to say about Bilderberg. | ||
| It's even more insulting that he didn't know about them until Willis Cardo told him about them. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One of the worst. | ||
| Fuck Jim Tucker. | ||
| Yeah, it makes you want to invent a bow and arrow that can shoot arrows into the past. | ||
| One of the things that's really funny to me, though, is Alex is like, oh yeah, Jim Tucker, you climb fences and get in there. | ||
| He's a real intrepid journalist. | ||
| You look at the videos of Jim Tucker and he's always drunk and smoking a cigarette. | ||
| I was going to say, yeah, this is not a man. | ||
| He's the guy who was wearing the hat all the time, too. | ||
| I was like, that is not a man who can jump a fence. | ||
| No. | ||
| Without severely injuring himself. | ||
| He seems like he's exhausted reading a paper. | ||
| Or at the very least, continuing to breathe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway, Alex talks to Jim Tucker, and it's all just the same shit, except without the excitement at seeing David Rockefeller. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| We don't have the fanboy moment. | ||
| No. | ||
| But one of the things that I think is worth pointing out about both of these interviews is that Jim Tucker... | ||
| Is somebody who I don't know and I don't care what his personal positions are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was the editor of a fucking white supremacist Holocaust denial paper for 25 years. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Tony Gosling has a lot of questions about who is or is not Jewish and thinks a lot of the problems in the world come from Jews not accepting Jesus as the Messiah. | ||
| Seems like it. | ||
| You wouldn't know that from listening to their interviews. | ||
| You wouldn't know that. | ||
| You would think that these guys are concerned about politics and really powerful people getting together and talking behind closed doors. | ||
| You would think that, hey, you know, these are just guys who have a political position that maybe is anathema with what the media wants to report. | ||
| You wouldn't know that maybe... | ||
| A lot of anti-Semitism is what drives... | ||
| Yeah, you know, a lot of people don't sympathize with Nazis as much. | ||
| But what you gotta understand is, you used to be able to just tell people that you hated the Jews all the time, and now you have to hide behind all of these things, you know? | ||
| Like, that's hard. | ||
| Let's just think about the Nazis for a second. | ||
| Now they can't even say openly... | ||
| On the radio that everyone should kill the Jews because it's their fault. | ||
| It's brutal. | ||
| Poor Willis. | ||
| Poor Willis. | ||
| Anyway, we go to the 27th because most of this show is just that interview with Jim Tucker and then the interview with the Belgian doctor. | ||
| And like I said, the discussion of mistreatment of Iraqis and all that is fine and it's good. | ||
| It's something that there was... | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I don't even know if probably is the right word. | ||
| I would say definitely. | ||
| There should have been more space for in public conversation. | ||
| But one of the reasons that I find it kind of not that interesting or not that relevant to give Alex too much of a pat on the head about it is... | ||
| He takes these stories and he discusses or reads headlines about mistreatment of people in Iraq, the civilians, and then he just makes it about himself and the United States. | ||
| This is so horrible, and it's only going to get worse, and MSNBC reported before the war plans for re-education centers. | ||
| Re-education centers, movie screens, blaring propaganda, machine gun nests, everything! | ||
| This is so embarrassing. | ||
| But again, Europe controls America, is using us as the bad cop right now. | ||
| They own our full reserve. | ||
| They've ordered the dollar to be imploded. | ||
| So again, none of that. | ||
| It came to pass here, as he's suggesting. | ||
| He's covering here, this is on the 27th now, we've jumped to that Tuesday, and he's covering conversation about Guantanamo, about the possibility of military tribunals taking place there. | ||
| And now he's saying that they had plans before the war for here in America to have these detention centers and machine gun nests. | ||
| It's all the conversation about The wrongs of the war exist in order to facilitate his narratives about his fears about what's going to happen here. | ||
| It's not on its own merits. | ||
| The people there, their pain and what's being done isn't wrong because it's wrong. | ||
| And I have a difficulty with that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you know, it's tough. | ||
| The good thing is that, if I recall correctly, in 2008... | ||
| Obama fulfilled his campaign promise to close Guantanamo Bay, right? | ||
| That was like one of the first things he did. | ||
| Dan, I'm... | ||
| So Alex goes to calls, and one of the things that he's been pretty upset about is seatbelt checks. | ||
| I really, really don't know. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He's not a fan of click it or tick it. | ||
| The devil with all of his might is arrayed against us, and I can't stand a $70 ticket. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| So he's talking here. | ||
| Another instance of him being totally right about his predictions of what would... | ||
| So the seatbelt checks. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's going to get out of control. | ||
| It's going to get out of control. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It was... | ||
| We then learned the name of it. | ||
| It was the National Seatbelt Use Initiative. | ||
| Funded by Clinton to the tune of over $4 billion a year. | ||
| Started at $2.4 billion and then it phased in over to $4 billion a year. | ||
| Bush is funding it. | ||
| It's going to build internal checkpoints that will also serve as toll booths to fund it. | ||
| It will be the equivalent of airport screening. | ||
| You'll be harassed. | ||
| You'll be searched. | ||
| That's why they don't care if you refuse to fly. | ||
| You're going to go through it at the checkpoints. | ||
| And it says citizens will wear gray uniforms, part three of the four-part plan. | ||
| Citizens will wear gray uniforms. | ||
| There will be a national draft, compulsory draft. | ||
| You will have to serve in Homeland Security. | ||
| It will be high school students to be able to graduate. | ||
| They will be searching you at checkpoints. | ||
| The Philadelphia Inquirer reported last year that the kids are training with M16s. | ||
| They're training in warrant service, checkpoints, fugitive apprehension, building clearing. | ||
| It is going to be throngs of power-tripping citizens with submachine guns. | ||
| It's a nightmare world, sir. | ||
| How does it sound to you? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I don't think this happened. | ||
| But, you know, one of the things that's wild is, like, you go back to 2003, and the world was so, like, topsy-turvy because of the aftermath of 9-11 and the Iraq War that I think a lot of people probably could hear something like that and be like, fuck, I don't know. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| No, I mean, the only thing that, like, the main argument I would have against that is just, like... | ||
| That seems like biting off more than the government can chew. | ||
| There's not the infrastructure in place to get everybody to wear gray uniforms. | ||
| That's going to take a monumental effort of manufacturing. | ||
| I think he was talking about the conscripted youths wearing gray uniforms. | ||
| Well, still, you gotta outfit all these kids with submachine guns. | ||
| That's tough. | ||
| That's gonna be noticed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, the gun manufacturers and the gun sellers are all used to exploiting fears about the people having to, you know, like, I don't think it's gonna happen. | ||
| No. | ||
| But, I mean, like, the kernels of some of this stuff is stuff that I remember, like, not being, not sounding that crazy. | ||
| The national draft, you could totally, yeah, the national draft, you totally, like, I was scared. | ||
| people having that conversation about like is there a possibility that a draft may come back because of yeah the the world circumstances totally and so I think you can take that level of like okay that's not that nuts right and then attach all this nuts stuff on it right and get someone to I don't know accept the nuts stuff because of the yeah if I can buy something that is ostensibly nuts which is the reinstatement of the draft then | ||
| It's not that much bigger of a step to assume that there will be gray-clad children with submachine guns patrolling my neighborhood. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All of this because of seatbelts? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So another thing that Alex talks about a bit is there's a mad cow situation in Canada, and the Canadian beef market is taking a hit because of... | ||
| There's at least a few cases of mad cow have been discovered, and there's a fear of an outbreak. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And so Alex is complaining a bunch about how, you know, you need to... | ||
| You can't be feeding animals other animals. | ||
| Dead animals. | ||
| Especially sick animals. | ||
| You can't be feeding herbivores animal products. | ||
| And stuff like that. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| But I don't know what the answer is other than regulation. | ||
| Well, we can't do regulation. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| It's... | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| He just complains about how people can't be allowed to do these things. | ||
| How do you deal with this from a functional standpoint? | ||
| He never brings up a solution other than people shouldn't do it. | ||
| It's the free market system. | ||
| If everybody wakes up, if he's got a 90% wake-up rate, then the free market will, I assume, account for the fact that people know that these businesses shouldn't be doing that, so all of these people won't patronize these businesses. | ||
| Well, it'll be too late, because they'll have... | ||
| They will have mad cow. | ||
| They will have mad cow by then. | ||
| That is unfortunate. | ||
| That is unfortunate. | ||
| Seems like government regulation might be the only way to really... | ||
| Boy, it could work. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Anyway, I thought that was really stupid. | ||
| Very. | ||
| Alex has a call from a guy, and he says Jesus a couple times. | ||
| Like, just like, oh, Jesus Christ, you know, like... | ||
| Oh, as an epithet? | ||
| No, well, sort of as an exclamation. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Alex ends the call. | ||
| Because he's taken the Lord's name in vain? | ||
| Well, not because of that, but... | ||
| It's definitely what's on his mind. | ||
| John, great to hear from you. | ||
| I appreciate the call, sir. | ||
| Great points from the United Kingdom. | ||
| Please, though, I'm a Christian, and we're on many Christian stations. | ||
| I know we have a worldly audience. | ||
| be very careful about using the Lord's name in vain because I don't want repercussions of that, not from stations, but from God. | ||
| So I'm not mad at you, John, but be careful about being like the rest of the world. | ||
| I'm not trying to chastise No! | ||
| What? | ||
| What did you just say? | ||
| I don't want to divert people off, but that's an important point. | ||
| That is an important point. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Cut to 2021. | ||
| Well, Jesus says you gotta buy my products! | ||
| I got a trick dick. | ||
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Yep, yep. | |
| Oh, boy. | ||
| What a fucking ridiculous thing to say. | ||
| I worry about God's vengeance when a caller says Jesus Christ on my show. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's performative. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
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Just a tad. | |
| Yeah, I think that's a little bit. | ||
| Just a hair. | ||
| So, Alex thanks the audience here for putting his content out into the world, making copies of his videos and stuff. | ||
| Because those things aren't going to spread themselves. | ||
| And 90% success rate. | ||
| 90% wake up. | ||
| Pretty impressive. | ||
| We've got to research that, because whatever he's doing. | ||
| I can only commend you. | ||
| Thank you so much for what you've done. | ||
| In fact, I never thank the listeners enough. | ||
| The people that have gotten my films, the people that have made copies and are still making copies, those that have aired them on local community TV stations, those that have rented out the movie theaters and shown it, those that have... | ||
| Rented out the local gym or amphitheater and shown it on a big screen TV. | ||
| I want to commend everybody. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
| It's really having an effect because we could back the globalists off. | ||
| I have no doubt that if we wouldn't have been fighting them on 9-1-1 and exposing their involvement, the globalists would have already carried out more terror. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Yup. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I'm a fan of that kind of framing of things, you know? | ||
| That's always really fun. | ||
| Like, if we hadn't been doing this, you know, actually, your supporting of my show and spreading my materials has actually made it so the globalists can't pull off another 9-11. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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That's... | |
| So great. | ||
| That's why Mark Wahlberg flies on every flight he can, all day, every day, because he's trying to make sure that no more 9-11s will happen. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And the only way to stop it is to put a Mark Wahlberg on your plane and have an Alex tell you how to stop it, I guess. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| We did it. | ||
| I think we've just fixed terrorism. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Can you imagine what kind of a shithead you'd have to be to... | ||
| To act like this? | ||
| Like, we could be like, okay, hey, thanks everyone for supporting our podcast. | ||
| And actually, I'm certain that there would have been another Oklahoma City bombing. | ||
| There would have been another Patriot federal building bombing if you hadn't have been supporting our show. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Listen, your support for our show made it so January 6th was not as bad as it could have been. | ||
| Could have been worse. | ||
| But here's the problem. | ||
| But we did it. | ||
| Here's the problem. | ||
| That is something that did happen. | ||
| Alex is making up imaginary things that didn't happen because his show is finished. | ||
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Right. | |
| So what you're saying is we successfully stopped the attack on January 7th. | ||
| That would be how you'd have to frame it. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| Then we did it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So there's some people who are saying that the war... | ||
| Is kind of like a holy war. | ||
| Yeah, that's not good. | ||
| No, and Alex thinks that's bullshit. | ||
| Good. | ||
| However... | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| When they came out and they said, this is a holy war and you're with the devil if you're against it, that was a fraud. | ||
| But when they said that God has taken his protection away from America and allowed these attacks to take place because we have become a corrupt and decadent nation on average, that was true. | ||
| It's a scientific fact. | ||
| What? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It is a scientific fact that God removed his protection over the United States. | ||
| And that's why 9-11 happened. | ||
| In order to allow 9-11 to happen. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And that is why it's not a holy war. | ||
| No. | ||
| Because it's divine retribution. | ||
| Also, Alex does say now that people who are against him are with the devil. | ||
| Yes, 100%. | ||
| So, I guess it's a holy war now. | ||
| Well, now it's a holy war. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But back then it wasn't. | ||
| I'd like him to scientifically prove that God's protection was removed and that's what made 9-11 happen. | ||
| Yeah, what exactly is God's protection doing around the United States prior to that area? | ||
| Did we never have any terrorist attacks prior to that? | ||
| None. | ||
| None. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| So Alex takes another call from a guy and he brings up scripture in a kind of clunky way. | ||
| I just found this to be amusing. | ||
| Bill in New Jersey, you're up next. | ||
| Howard, go ahead. | ||
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Yes, sir, Mr. Alex Jones. | |
| I have recently been reading in 2 Chronicles 2311, and, you know, they anointed a son of a king, you know. | ||
| They said God saved the king, you know. | ||
| 2311 wasn't long. | ||
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So, I don't know if you're familiar with 2 Chronicles 2311. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| Got a weird vibe going on. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Don't know what's happening. | ||
| This guy's talking about kings. | ||
| Well, the chronicles are about the, I mean, they're literal chronicles of all the cool shit that the kings did. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| So, easy caller, easy. | ||
| What do you want to talk about? | ||
| Let's hear it. | ||
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But the idea of this, I've got a book here that says the true story of the seventh in line to the British crown. | |
| And of course... | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
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And that book is pictures of the mother and the queen's mother, and they all kind of look like the Bush family, you know? | |
| Really? | ||
| And, of course, I know that the Constitution was... | ||
| You're talking about British Israelism. | ||
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Well, that's possible. | |
| No, he's not. | ||
| But that's interesting, because that implies that Alex knows very clearly what British Israelism is. | ||
| Or at least he knows of it. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It doesn't imply that. | ||
| It proves that Alex is aware of it as a concept. | ||
| He knows it's a thing. | ||
| It's not something that he can feign complete ignorance about, which is a problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But this caller, what he's talking about is a book that is about Prince Charles' brother, his younger brother, the seventh in line for the... | ||
| It's not Andrew, it's the other... | ||
| I think Edward is the other brother. | ||
| Yeah, whatever. | ||
| I don't like royals. | ||
| Yeah, it's just some biography about him. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't think it has anything to do with British Israelism. | ||
| It sounds like where he's going is that the Bushes are related to the British royal family. | ||
| I don't know where he's going exactly. | ||
| Well, that's fair. | ||
| And I've listened to this. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| That is fair. | ||
| So the caller brought up the scripture and he's talking about anointing of kings is in the Bible. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he's saying he read this book about the royals and they look like bushes or whatever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so I... | ||
| Mic down for this, because I want you to help me out here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I can't tell if what this caller is bringing up is a satirical suggestion or if it's sincere. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| All right. | ||
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You know, in the Bible, it talks about how they anointed the king and gave him the testimony. | |
| He said, with the Constitution, you know how they're tearing up a Constitution and manipulating it? | ||
| Maybe we should forsake the Constitution and go with the king in this country. | ||
| And we should say, God save George W. Bush, you know? | ||
| King George, you know? | ||
| So would we say that if Hitler was in Germany, let's go ahead, the Bible says follow Hitler? | ||
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A lot of people liked Hitler. | |
| You know, in Germany they did. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| He was a complete badass. | ||
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I'll tell you what, I think that's another story about, I think, Deuteronomy 23, 2, about, you know, how illegitimate children were allowed into the congregation of God for ten generations. | |
| It was a Jewish law, you know? | ||
| Deuteronomy 23.2. | ||
| But that's the Old Testament. | ||
| We have the New Testament. | ||
| I don't know what's going on here. | ||
| I can't tell, like, I think this is a sincere suggestion that the caller is making. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| But I can also see a way that he's really poorly expressing sort of a point of satire. | ||
| Like, hey, you know, it's in the Bible that we have kings, so why shouldn't we have King George? | ||
| Like, being, like, presenting that as, like, an over-the-top argument. | ||
| But then again, I don't know what the point of that would be. | ||
| Like, what would be underneath that satire? | ||
| Is he satirizing the Bible? | ||
| Uh, no. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| No, I view this as him being 100% sincere. | ||
| Kind of feels that way. | ||
| And I think the main reason for that is he's been reading about how great kings have been and how a philosopher king is perhaps the best type of government that there possibly could be and has decided that democracy has failed us, the constitution is meaningless, and we should have a king. | ||
| Also... | ||
| And Alex, after a little while, is going to agree with him. | ||
| True. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yes, I do think that Alex has come around on the idea of monarchy. | ||
| At least a specific sort of monarchy. | ||
| Seems like it. | ||
| Yeah, weird that this guy's rebuttal to Alex being like... | ||
| A lot of people liked Hitler. | ||
| A lot of people liked Hitler. | ||
| Ooh. | ||
| A lot of people didn't. | ||
| A lot of people didn't. | ||
| I would say probably a significantly larger number. | ||
| So this is something that kind of is a problem for Alex. | ||
| Much like the Republic of Texas callers, this is something that sticks in Alex's craw. | ||
| And so he goes to another call, and he's got to bring it up. | ||
| He's got to bring up this idea of making Bush king. | ||
| Hey, what do you think of these people that say it's Christian to worship your leader and not criticize your leader? | ||
| Yeah, that's another important thing, you know. | ||
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Don't put down a king just because he's king. | |
| What? | ||
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He's a good king. | |
| He's a bad king. | ||
| In my family, I have two lines of royal blood dating back, I don't know... | ||
| I'm sorry, what now? | ||
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The one, I'm not going to say the name, but he was elected by the people. | |
| The people held him up and they said, we want him king. | ||
| Sir, sir, sir, this whole thing of getting rid of the Constitution and making Bush king. | ||
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George Washington fought in the backyard of the house I grew up in. | |
| This didn't go the way Alex wanted it to. | ||
| Yeah, this is spiraled out of control pretty quickly. | ||
| This is spiraled out of control real quick. | ||
| Hey, buddy, I kind of got the sense that maybe you'd back me up on this whole making kings thing is bad. | ||
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Hey, some kings are good. | |
| Actually, I have two royal bloodlines. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that's definitely not what you would be expecting. | ||
| I mean, if you're Alex... | ||
| With your Alex audience, I can't imagine you would get two pro-monarchy people in a row! | ||
| That would be a surprise to me as well. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, at a certain point, it's just like, wow, this is bad luck. | ||
| It's a full moon or something? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, his fucking description of kings is literally, don't hate the player, hate the game. | ||
| Some kings are good. | ||
| Some kings are good. | ||
| Some kings are good, like the two bloodlines I come from. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I won't say which. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| But George Washington fought in my backyard. | ||
| I wouldn't want to dox my blood. | ||
| I'd hate it if the Tudors heard I was bad-mouthing them behind their backs. | ||
| Alex has said that he's related to the Tudors. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Maybe they're related. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| So, we're coming into the end of this here. | ||
| And on the 27th, Alex gets into talking a little bit about some new news stories about... | ||
| Some SSRI issues that are becoming conversations. | ||
| One of them is about dangers of withdrawal for some SSRI medications. | ||
| And that is a real thing, although Alex is trying to portray it as just being on these drugs will make you kill people and what have you. | ||
| I thought this was bizarre, because Alex hasn't updated any of these talking points for 18 years. | ||
| These are all the same things that he says now. | ||
| Just word for word. | ||
| By the way, when they did these studies in the early 80s of Prozac, they found a large percentage, around 14%, had suicidal tendencies. | ||
| You see, it puts you into a dream state, so you're happily bumbling around kind of in a mesmerized... | ||
| Mind-controlled state, literally. | ||
| Then you have a bad day or a bad trip. | ||
| These drugs are more associated with hallucinogens than they are with other type drug families. | ||
| And some people just have a snap. | ||
| I've talked to psychologists and people that know what's happening, and they say that they've had patients who were on it, and they're dancing around naked with butcher knives on top of their houses. | ||
| They kill their kids. | ||
| Most of these women who kill their kids were on multiple drugs. | ||
| Almost all the shooters. | ||
| In fact, we haven't found one yet who wasn't on these drugs. | ||
| Yes, we have. | ||
| It also makes you very open to suggestion. | ||
| It puts you into a subconscious state, folks. | ||
| These people are sleepwalking. | ||
| So this is just exactly the same sort of stuff that he says all the time. | ||
| And the thing that I think is really interesting is that story about the butcher knife on top of a roof is also the specific example that he uses for years and years. | ||
| This one image that he has of a case of somebody with a butcher knife on a roof. | ||
| I think this is just deeply irresponsible. | ||
| I think this is the definition of an un-nuanced take on psychiatric meds. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there's not much to say whenever it's like, man, when I was in 2003, I was unmedicated, just coming into my own as a type 1 bipolar person. | ||
| But you could see reality, man. | ||
| And like... | ||
| You weren't sleepwalking! | ||
| Just reading about it back then, it was legitimately, like, in the literature of bipolar type 1 was just straight up, like, one-fifth of you don't make it for whatever reason. | ||
| And it's related to your mental illness. | ||
| And, like, that idea of somebody being like, well, you know what? | ||
| That's better than SSRIs and feeling good. | ||
| It's just, like... | ||
| I just don't know how you can talk to somebody who's aware of the death toll that just being alive gives them. | ||
| Yeah, it's real shitty. | ||
| In a way, you could say that giving someone life is in fact giving someone death. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of factors and variables that Alex isn't taking into account here. | ||
| And obviously, any medication that people take isn't without risk. | ||
| Living without medications for some people is also a great risk. | ||
| And it's unfair to attack medication because of the risk while not accepting that there is a great risk to not taking medication. | ||
| And the fucked up part of it. | ||
| The fucked up part of it is what one of the biggest contributors to that is. | ||
| Let's say you were on an SSRI and then you listen to a fucking radio show and suddenly decide to stop taking your medication and then your withdrawals fucking light you up and you become part of the statistics that Alex is going to use the next year to say that people who are on SSRI should immediately stop them as part of his evidence. | ||
| I have to correct you because Alex does bring up that just stopping taking meds is dangerous. | ||
| Well, that's good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I don't know if it's enough to dissuade his listeners who hear him say that taking meds make you have a bad trip or you're just brainwashed and sleepwalking through life. | |
| But he does actually say that you need to... | ||
| Take a decreasing dose. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's dangerous just to stop. | ||
| That's very good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, credit where credit's due. | ||
| At the very least, he's doing the absolute bare minimum while fear-mongering about the meds. | ||
| I just couldn't let that not be said because he does actually... | ||
| It's good to say. | ||
| It's good to point out. | ||
| Now, unfortunately, he also says things like this. | ||
| And since last year, more than 22 million prescriptions for antidepressants were written out by British patients. | ||
| Most of them for SSRIs. | ||
| These drugs work by allowing the hormone serotonin to act properly in the brain, controlling mood swings. | ||
| Oh, to act properly. | ||
| How about you go for a jog? | ||
| How about you splash some cold water on your face? | ||
| How about you get on your knees and ask God to heal you? | ||
| Because believe me, folks, their vaccines, their drugs are a bunch of trash. | ||
| Yeah, so apparently... | ||
| You should just pray. | ||
| Well, you know, I feel like I'm worthless and like I'm a drain on every single human being around me and that every part of life would be improved if I were no longer here for it. | ||
| But actually, you know what I should have just done? | ||
| Jog. | ||
| Gone for a run. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My bad. | ||
| My bad. | ||
| While I was running, I definitely wouldn't fixate on those very same repetitive thoughts that I can't get out of my brain. | ||
| No, you should just pray that God heals you. | ||
| Just gotta pray. | ||
| Man, that advice really worked for me when I was growing up. | ||
| Oh, me too. | ||
| I got that one a lot. | ||
| Yeah, fixed everything. | ||
| Yeah, it solved a lot of problems. | ||
| I mean, look, I don't want to give any credence to what Alex is saying, but, you know, exercise can help people feel better. | ||
| Exercise and meditation are great ways to cope. | ||
| They absolutely are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that is not a full... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Health regimen, necessarily. | ||
| And I think that this is just kind of dangerous, kind of bad. | ||
| And I think, you know, obviously it's not what I'm looking for in terms of figuring out if Alex believes he's fighting the literal devil. | ||
| There's a corollary here that Alex does seem to think that health can be achieved by God giving it to you. | ||
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| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So there is at least some kind of weird... | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there's definitely an escalation from metaphorical to Jesus and God having a literal effect on curing you, which suggests that they are real. | ||
| Literally. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if they are real literally, then his cosmology suggests that the devil is real literally. | ||
| I'm not positive that that is an assumption that you can make. | ||
| Because I think that a lot of people can believe in literalness of God's existence without believing literally in an antagonist. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| I agree with you, that's true. | ||
| I think the evidence presented so far in 2003 of Alex, though, is such that you can't be like, I'm guessing his belief in the Bible does not include Satan. | ||
| But I also think that you can believe in the literalness of God and not necessarily believe in the literalness of prayer is a healthcare plan. | ||
| True. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| I think that there is a difference between those kinds of engagement with religion. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And I think you're seeing that Alex is at least clearly in the God is better than single payer. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| In 2003, but I still haven't found... | ||
| Single payer? | ||
| More like single prayer. | ||
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Boom. | |
| That's what we do! | ||
| I still haven't found enough evidence of literal Satan, so we will keep looking. | ||
| Although this episode was just bizarre. | ||
| I mean, beyond just the boringness of it, it's very boring. | ||
| It's just standard-ass Bilderberg shit. | ||
| But behind that, you have two guys who have a lot of appearances of anti-Semitism, who are the experts that Alex has on to talk about the Bilderberg stuff, which I think is a problem, and it definitely merits attention. | ||
| Next, the other thing that I'm seeing here, bizarrely, 22nd, The 27th of May, 2003. | ||
| Alex isn't talking about Putin. | ||
| No. | ||
| It was conspicuous in its absence. | ||
| I don't think it means anything. | ||
| No. | ||
| But it's like he would talk about the fucking apartments and Putin constantly. | ||
| And on these episodes, it doesn't come up. | ||
| It might just be that he had other things to talk about. | ||
| I mean, I would get distracted, too, if my guests were notorious anti-Semites and my callers were oddly pro-monarchy. | ||
| I would get tossed out of my regular... | ||
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And one guy found an 800-seat Nazi church in the middle of nowhere. | |
| That would toss me from my regular Putin stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Got other fish to fry. | ||
| Or at the very least, I'm distracted by those jangling keys. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Jordan, we'll be back on Friday. | ||
| But until then, we have a website and we have a show on Thursday. | ||
| Yes, we do. | ||
| Thursday, July 1st. | ||
| It's at 9 p.m. at the Lincoln Lodge. | ||
| There are still some tickets available. | ||
| I will have buttons there. | ||
| Probably not the new buttons, but I have some holdover buttons. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| If anybody wants to come out. | ||
| I'll throw a button at you. | ||
| We'll get buttons. | ||
| You will get buttons. | ||
| I guarantee buttons will be tossed at you. | ||
| There will be some buttons there. | ||
| Yeah, it'll be a good time. | ||
| So if you're in Chicago, obviously it's not going to be a live show of our show. | ||
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Right. | |
| But it is something that I think that we will have a feeling of... | ||
| Is there an interest for a show based on... | ||
| Like, if no one comes to this, I think we'll continue recording in my apartment. | ||
| It does seem like that might be the way to go. | ||
| I don't want that to be a threat, but... | ||
| No, that was a very good plug. | ||
| Well done. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge.org. | ||
| Go to bed, Jordan. | ||
| We're on Facebook. | ||
| Or on Facebook, if you would like to download the show, go to... | ||
| Apologies. | ||
| iTunes. | ||
| iTunes. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I lost my mind there for a second. | ||
| iTunes, and then find a local charity or bail fund in your area. | ||
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We'll be back. | |
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I'm Daryl Rundis. | ||
| I actually found Barack Obama's secret Baha 'i church in Evanston. | ||
| It's actually just the Baha 'i temple in Evanston. | ||
| It's not secret. | ||
| I don't think Obama ever went there. | ||
| I just found this really cool building. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |