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June 28, 2021 - Knowledge Fight
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#570: June 24, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan check in to see if Alex Jones has developed his John McAfee conspiracies.  In this installment, they learn that he has not, and Alex tries to break his own personal record for Most Times Threatening To Walk Off His Own Show In A Single Episode.

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alex jones
22:15
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dan friesen
53:36
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jordan holmes
29:19
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joe biden
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alex jones
Knowledge of the fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan!
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Emmerich Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan!
Jordan!
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, is I've gotten back to making these buttons for folks.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Quite a response of interest to these buttons.
I'm very excited to get these cranked out and sent out to people.
But I've used this also as an excuse.
To have some recreational time while I'm sitting around making buttons.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And I've been watching a bit of Survivor.
jordan holmes
Okay.
New season or old season?
dan friesen
I'm starting at the beginning.
jordan holmes
500 seltzers!
dan friesen
It's that again, yes.
But I'm not putting a time frame on it.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
When I...
Ran out of episodes of The Tick.
I realized, well, I've got this Amazon Prime account now.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
I've never had access to whatever is on here.
What's on here?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And so I was like, I loved season two of Survivor when I was a kid.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I liked season one, too, but season two stuck out in my head.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
As, like, being really great.
And I watched a couple other seasons, but I missed a lot.
I missed a ton.
And I really am curious, where did it fall apart?
Because I know that everything got too complicated.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
It's just a total mess.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
But it was good, I think.
dan friesen
And so I started rewatching from the beginning.
And so far, I have not gotten to where it's terrible.
Yeah.
I'm in season two.
And I want to talk about it nonstop.
jordan holmes
Wait, you already watched season one?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, wow.
Okay.
dan friesen
Well, I started a little bit before.
unidentified
Gotcha.
dan friesen
But I have so many thoughts about all of this.
First of all, season one is amazing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's a very well done show.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
There's an earnestness to it.
There's a recognition that what they're doing is a little bit goofy.
Sure.
But they mean it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's sincere.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And very nice.
Season two is a little bit...
It's a little bit of a departure.
There's a little bit less of that genuine curiosity.
jordan holmes
Sure, they're having a sophomore slump.
dan friesen
Well, I think that they are too obsessed with alliances.
Like, the first season really wasn't that...
Like, everyone being like, ooh, who am I gonna team up with?
And season two, it's just like, it already is jumping into that.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna throw this out.
I'm gonna throw out my theory on when it really goes south.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
When people get too aware of the metagame.
dan friesen
But I think that's season two.
jordan holmes
Already?
Already!
We're too aware of the metagame.
dan friesen
I think that there's a lot of conversation.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's like a Sabermetrics kind of thing later on where everybody's like, we've watched all of these seasons, we know how to plan for this, I know what move is the right move based on what happened in season three or whatever, you know, like that kind of thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that that is beginning to happen already in season two.
Maybe it's not overwhelming, but it's very different than the kind of conversations they were having in season one.
I can say that for sure, which I didn't realize.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
And the other thing, too, was that watching it back, I haven't watched any of these sets, like, I mean, what would it have been?
Like, this is pre-9-11 stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, straight up.
dan friesen
I think that season 2000.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're on, like, season 30 now or something?
unidentified
40!
jordan holmes
40!
Get the shit out of here!
Goddamn!
dan friesen
So I was, like, 16 when season 2 was airing.
16 or 17. And I remember watching it, and, like, I had various feelings about various cast members.
Watching it, one of the things that really stuck out to me...
Well, there's two things.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
First, Elizabeth.
I really liked Elizabeth Falarski.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
She was great.
And I realized re-watching it that I liked her because she reminded me of the girls that I had a crush on in church.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright.
unidentified
She was a really sweet kind of girl you meet in the church.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And it only makes sense that she became a right-wing pundit.
jordan holmes
Well, that does track.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is how it goes.
dan friesen
Like, yeah, this tracks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the other thing that I didn't realize watching back is that there was this guy, Michael, who fell into the fire and ended up getting evacuated, got airlifted.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And when I watched it, When I was younger, he seemed like such a leader.
He seemed like somebody who was outdoorsy.
Watching it now, I was like, this guy's a fucking creep.
This guy's a total weirdo.
jordan holmes
So weird.
dan friesen
He sucks.
jordan holmes
So weird how time works.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I had a very negative response to him watching it, and I was just looking up, where are these people now?
Turns out he got arrested for running a Ponzi scheme, and in the process of the investigation, they found child porn on his computer.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
And so I was like, well.
jordan holmes
There we go.
Whoa, boy.
Yeah.
I've always dreamt of Survivor being more like those early years of Sasuke, the ninja warrior.
Just because they would make a huge deal of like, this is our 25th season, and there's only been one person who made it to the top of Mount Midoriyama.
And it's like, I've always wanted Survivor to be that, where it's like, we're on season 40, two people have survived.
You know, like everybody else.
dan friesen
There should be some kind of a prestige.
There's not a guaranteed winner.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think...
I think in order to do that, you'd have to really risk people's health.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
I was going to say, the only other solution is like, 28 people died this year on Survivor, so that might be tough.
dan friesen
That was the other thing, too, that going back, I was taken aback by.
In the first season, there is not a lot of problem with food.
They have a ton of rice.
They're totally fine on rice.
Richard is out there fishing.
He's catching all kinds of fish.
They have rat traps that they've created.
They're just eating rats.
It is not.
Not a problem.
And then in season two, it's a bit of a problem, but it's only a problem because they misrationed the rice.
unidentified
They would have had rice that would last the entire season.
dan friesen
I feel like that takes away from this being about surviving.
jordan holmes
It's so funny just because I remember reading this huge oral history of Kid Nation or whatever that MTV reality show was where they put a town of kids and they're all like 30 kids and they're all like 12 years old.
And the oral history behind it was they built a functioning society and the producers were like, we can't We were going for Lord of the Flies, but in real life.
So they were the ones fucking everything up for these kids.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
jordan holmes
The kids are constantly like, we've got garbage pickup.
Why are you guys throwing garbage around?
We have a system, you know?
And yeah, it's so funny to me that they can build like a, we're rationing appropriately, and then adults do it on a reality show, and they're like, I want all the food!
dan friesen
Yeah, there was also real fingerprints of weird manipulation that I didn't recognize watching it initially.
There's levels of awareness of what's going on at the end Oh, yeah.
And so it's like producers are talking to these people.
It was a little bit like, all right, I see through a little bit of this.
But anyway, it's fun, and I'm excited to see where it really falls apart, because it's still entertaining at this point.
I'm guessing by season seven or something, it's going to be a disaster.
jordan holmes
My aunt, before she died, watched every season of Survivor.
She loved it so much.
She watched Survivor and Big Brother.
Those were the two for her.
And I just remember watching, I think it was season 23 with her.
And just going like, how do you not want these people shot into the surface of the sun?
And she was like, that's why I watch.
dan friesen
That's why you watch.
That's part of why you watch.
And then you also pull for some people.
That's another thing.
Look, we've talked about this too much already, but the last point I want to make is that the experience that I had watching season one is that I liked both of the tribes.
And in watching season two, I was like, I don't like either of these.
I don't like any of this, which is weird.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
It is definitely not how I experienced it as a youth.
Anyway, we'll talk more about this as it goes along, I'm sure.
But, Jordan, what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is Tyler the Creator's new album.
dan friesen
Oh, fun.
jordan holmes
Released, I think it was Friday?
Fantastic.
Absolutely fantastic.
His last album, Scumfuck Flower Boy, I think, was more of an R&B album, almost like a Frank Ocean album.
And this one, he gets right back to just doing straight-up hip-hop and rapping, and he's so good.
dan friesen
That's great.
jordan holmes
He's so talented.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It's amazing.
Especially his career arc.
Can you imagine being like 14 years old and then becoming what he becomes?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's pretty weird.
jordan holmes
It's wild.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's wild!
dan friesen
Look forward to an oral history of that one day.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that'll be great.
dan friesen
I'm sorry to not spend ten minutes on your bright spot.
unidentified
It's fine.
jordan holmes
It's just a good album.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's just good, whereas I have complex thoughts.
jordan holmes
I mean, I could have complex thoughts, but they might be very boring.
dan friesen
They could be.
Something that will not be boring, Jordan, is our episode today.
We're going to be talking about June 24th, 2021.
Blackjack.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
We're doing a present-day episode?
I thought we were going into the past.
I wasn't even prepared for it.
dan friesen
We are doing a present-day episode because I wanted to give Alex a chance to have a more developed conspiracy theory about John McAfee's death.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
On our last episode, we talked about his special report, his emergency broadcast.
jordan holmes
Shitty.
dan friesen
It was not compelling, but, you know, let's give him a shot.
jordan holmes
Step up your game.
dan friesen
Let's see what's going on on the 24th on Thursday.
And so we'll get down to business.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And Jana Banana.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Jana Banana.
I like a good Jana Banana.
dan friesen
Sure.
And finally, all podcasters are millionaires.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Yep.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
Basically 49ers out here.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
There's gold in them there, pods.
jordan holmes
You can't even start a podcast without getting a million dollars.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
They just throw it at you.
Whoa, you want to start a podcast?
You've got to be a millionaire.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, also, you know.
Gotta get heavy before we get to the episode.
alex jones
Giving someone life is giving someone death.
You can say that life is death.
dan friesen
Yes, you can.
jordan holmes
What's fun about that clip is, honestly, every time you play it, I could see it being on a modern-day episode.
Like, he just says that exact same thing every new episode we do.
June 24th, 2021!
Alright, here's an out-of-context drop.
dan friesen
He hasn't said it as much, but there was a little stretch like a week or two ago where he was articulating that thought quite a bit.
Non-stop.
So, Cade has got a golden birthday coming up.
Golden birthday, you know, that's when you turn the age that is the day.
The number of the day.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And Renee Lynn reached out and wanted us to wish Cade a happy golden birthday.
On my golden birthday, I was 24, and that's when I started doing stand-up, and that was a mistake.
Hopefully Kay did.
Actually, it's not a mistake.
It's led me where I am today, but...
jordan holmes
Well, that's fair.
dan friesen
Anyway, I hope you have a good one, Cade.
jordan holmes
My golden birthday was eight, and it started me doing stand-up.
alex jones
Ryan H., a.k.a.
dan friesen
Rick, has got a birthday coming up.
Ashley wanted us to wish old Ricky boy a happy birthday.
Also, is a sandwich!
unidentified
Rick!
jordan holmes
Yeah, sorry.
dan friesen
Is a sandwich!
jordan holmes
Is a sandwich!
dan friesen
Yep, also has a birthday.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Happy birthday, is a sandwich.
jordan holmes
Is a sandwich, happy birthday.
dan friesen
Andrew in Kansas.
Now, this is...
jordan holmes
Not Andy.
dan friesen
No, Andrew.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is important.
Birthday and a wedding coming up.
And there's a very important request.
And this was not guaranteed.
But I checked in on it, and Celine does give her blessing to the union.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's nice.
dan friesen
So yes, there was a chance that Celine would be like, nah.
jordan holmes
Do you know what Hallmark says is a good wedding gift?
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
Office furniture.
dan friesen
No, you have to be together 40 years.
Also, Ren and Joe, they have a newborn named Winry.
jordan holmes
I like a good Winry!
dan friesen
I like to congratulate...
jordan holmes
Is that a Full Metal Alchemist?
I think that's a Full Metal Alchemist reference right there.
dan friesen
I wouldn't know if it was.
jordan holmes
Ah, that's fair.
dan friesen
But Kev wanted to wish this new baby a welcome into the world.
jordan holmes
Welcome to the world, Winry!
dan friesen
And a congratulation to Ren and Joe.
Although, unfortunately, to give life is to give death.
jordan holmes
Is to give death, so good luck, Winry!
dan friesen
So, let's get into today's episode, Jordan.
Yes.
Today, we have...
An out-of-context drop.
alex jones
Imagine if I came on a show and was like...
unidentified
I don't have to imagine that.
jordan holmes
I really don't.
That's kind of regular.
That's a non-stop thing, I would almost argue.
dan friesen
Pretty de rigueur.
So, Alex starts the show, and thankfully, sometimes you jump in and you're thinking, is he going to talk about the thing that I'm interested in?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Namely...
McAfee.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And sometimes he doesn't.
In this case, thankfully, he does.
alex jones
Well, we've got the red emergency radar scan background up.
And that means one thing.
Patriots are being assassinated.
It was just ten days ago or so that we talked about the very famous Emmy Award winning.
Was it Grammy Award winning for TV news?
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
Individual.
Who had exposed the tarmac meeting with Bill Clinton and then Attorney General Loretta Lynch who said they were death-threatening him and trying to kill him and that he would never commit suicide.
That he would never commit suicide.
And then he was found shot in the head inside his home alone, a happily married man with two children.
We'll be revisiting that here in a moment.
Well, now we have John McAfee, who I knew very well.
Probably been on the show 20 times.
We haven't talked to him in the last few years because he was in a Madrid jail awaiting extradition to the U.S. Is that the only reason?
He said last week, I'm getting threats from the U.S. government that they will suicide myself.
They will kill me.
dan friesen
On our last episode, when we discussed the immediate coverage of McAfee's death, I was trying to stress how important it is to understand this story in the context of Alex's coverage of the death of Christopher Sine.
Because Alex had laid the groundwork for a narrative arc about political assassinations when he talked about Sign, he was prepared to tell this exact story no matter who ended up dying, and regardless of how suspicious the circumstances of their death really were.
If Alex lucked out and a high-profile person who he's sort of associated with died not too long after Sign's coverage, we would be seeing the outcome that we're seeing now.
If no high-profile deaths fit the bill, Alex could easily, you know, just get away with pretending he never made a big deal out of science death and, you know, pretending that it was a professional hit.
You can really tell how dishonest Alex's coverage is because of the intentional misreporting he's doing surrounding these two cases.
Christopher Sine, as far as I can tell, never said that he wouldn't kill himself.
And the comment that he was getting threats, that came from a Fox interview from February 2020.
And he was specifically talking about threats that had come, quote, shortly after breaking this story, which is to say back in 2016.
Yeah.
unidentified
He never specified who the threats were coming from, and it could have easily been from mentally disturbed pro-Clinton or anti-Trump individuals completely disconnected from the two politicians.
dan friesen
There's no reason to jump to the conclusion that it was...
Fucking Hillary making the threats.
Alex has distorted this to fit his narratives because in Infowars world, anytime anyone dies by a suspected suicide who he wants to paint as the victim of a murder, the same script is followed.
Alex has to fudge the details of this case so it neatly fits the archetype that he's already established with past cases.
Also, Sign had three children and many of the details of his life that Alex is getting wrong are just things that Alex is assuming and making up.
The same dynamic exists in the coverage of McAfee's death.
Some of the details that are just completely wrong include that McAfee hasn't been in jail for years, and he wasn't in jail in Madrid.
The jail he was in was in Barcelona.
More importantly, though, is Alex's lying about the timeline of McAfee's statements.
The tweet that Alex is referencing, where McAfee said he was, quote, getting subtle messages from U.S. officials, was posted on November 30th, 2019.
The tweet where he said he wasn't going to kill himself was from eight months ago.
Alex needs to take these tweets and make them a lot more current than they are because in reality, there are completely rational explanations for them that have nothing to do with the notion that McAfee was the target of a globalist hit squad.
By combining these sentiments that McAfee has shared in the course of the last few years and pretending he said them just before he died, Alex is trying to create a persuasive fiction to sell his audience on.
And that fiction is exactly how Alex has started the show.
The point and the message is that the globalists are entering the part of their endgame where they're going to stage high-level political assassinations of their patriot enemies.
This mentality is so dangerous for Alex to be playing around with, since it's one of the things in the past he said is a sign that the Cold Civil War is going hot, and that it would be very easy for his listeners to take this as a sign that it's killing time.
jordan holmes
You've already got your list.
I've told you to get your list out there.
Now it's time to enact the plan.
dan friesen
Ethically speaking, this is yelling fire in a crowded building.
No matter what the outcome is and what it is, whether or not anyone gets hurt.
This is just reckless, endangering activity.
And it's fine to yell fire when there is a fire because there's a fire and people, you know, you can help them avoid the fire.
But in order for Alex to metaphorically create the appearance of a fire here, he has to lie about multiple details of these two men's death.
This isn't someone responsibly covering the facts of a situation.
It's someone lying about reality to suit his purpose...
Which is making money, not caring at all who gets hurt in the process.
He's a real piece of shit.
jordan holmes
It's almost like whenever I used to work customer service, you'd have those macro responses, these pre-written responses.
It's almost exactly like when McAfee died, he was almost like...
Boom!
Mad Libs.
I'm already ready.
I've been doing this for 20 years.
I've got this pre-written.
It's like, fuck off.
dan friesen
Yeah, definitely.
When I worked in telemarketing, you'd have those rebuttals that are like, well, I can't afford this.
Well, Lord, if I told you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Same shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, it is.
It's sort of a branching path that he already knew was going to go down.
So one of the interesting things about McAfee's death that isn't actually interesting, but some people on the internet are Having fun with it.
jordan holmes
Hey!
dan friesen
Is the idea that he had a dead man switch.
Alex has found it.
unidentified
Oh!
alex jones
Maccabee, basically, as you already know, ended up being found dead yesterday.
Pretty amazing.
And he said he had a dead man switch.
We have found the dead man switch buried in a crypto wallet.
And we're going to be talking about that coming up here on the transmission today.
dan friesen
Alex didn't find shit.
This is all made up.
It doesn't look like McAfee actually had a dead man switch set up, because the way he's described it has failed to become a reality at all.
He told an interviewer that he had a twice-daily check-in switch, so if he ever missed any of those check-ins, the dirt would all be sent to the media.
That's not the same thing as him burying something somewhere in a bizarre and complicated crypto maze.
jordan holmes
Are you telling me that John McAfee is so...
Aware of time that he's never...
John McAfee has never missed a date.
dan friesen
He's never been drugged out.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
hungover.
unidentified
What's actually going on here is that after McAfee's death, someone posted an image on his Instagram, which was just a big Q. Right.
dan friesen
After this happened, QAnon folks started speculating that the image contained a key to a cryptocurrency address.
Sure.
unidentified
And that's where all the goodies were.
dan friesen
Great.
unidentified
This was made up out of thin air and completely not true.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
There's metadata on the picture, but from everything I've seen about the situation, it's not a crypto key.
As is so often the case, Alex is just taking bullshit he or his staff read on a conspiracy blog or message board, pretending that he got it from some kind of investigative process or imaginary high level source.
And he's trying to pass off a sanitized version of it to his audience.
He finds dumb shit on the internet and tries to launder it to the point where it can pass as a story he can pretend to report.
Inevitably, this dead man switch will fail to materialize, and Alex will probably say that the globalists somehow recouped it or something.
Then there's going to be this great MacGuffin out there.
We could totally prove all of our conspiracies are true if only McAfee's dead man switch hadn't been re-seized by the globalists or whatever.
jordan holmes
See, this is the problem with the internet's conspiracy theories.
They don't know how to have fun with it.
Here's what you do.
You don't have any evidence that this isn't the case.
Say that they found trace evidence.
Of John McAfee's dick in his own stomach.
Then everybody's like, God, like when they pull a human leg out of a shark's stomach and everybody's like, well, I guess he actually followed through with it.
dan friesen
A man of his word.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The man, he had one thing left to do on this earth.
And that was eat his own dick.
So it's been done.
dan friesen
So this isn't the only news story of the day.
There's also talk of Fauci doing COVID.
jordan holmes
I'm sure.
alex jones
Dovetails with a smoking gun yesterday.
That Fauci, one month before the COVID outbreak, told them prepare to activate their COVID vaccine, COVID-19 vaccine program with those exact sequences.
Understand?
Total premeditation.
Total, complete, open and shut case.
Everyone involved is lucky if they end up in a supermax prison.
For the rest of their lives.
dan friesen
I decided to play a little game with this drop.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I was gonna treat this story as if I was just a listener of Alex's show.
Like, what would I know about this story from the information that he's presenting?
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
At this point, I guess that a month before the pandemic started, Fauci directed someone to begin working on a vaccine that's mysteriously a perfect fit for COVID-19.
jordan holmes
That's mysterious.
dan friesen
And this is being presented as definitive, open and shut proof that there was premeditation with the development and release of the virus.
I've not heard this, so I'm going to eagerly await Alex telling me more about it.
He doesn't.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's surprising.
That seems like a big story.
dan friesen
He ruined my entire game by not explaining this.
jordan holmes
I'm going to act like Alex's listener.
And you got the real experience, which is to say a bunch of bullshit and you have no idea why or where.
dan friesen
I got a conclusion, but I have no idea about the story.
I don't know where to start.
So back to McAfee.
alex jones
A good friend of mine, a really smart individual, a true American rebel, John McAfee, died in a jail cell in Barcelona, Spain, at 75 years of age, in good health.
After he had just warned the world a few days before that they're threatening to kill me, the U.S. government is, and claimed it was suicide.
He said, I will not commit suicide.
And I believe him.
We've seen a lot of suicides lately of people that challenge the Clintons and others.
A lot?
dan friesen
Oh, it's the Clintons.
jordan holmes
A lot.
dan friesen
Called it.
Called it.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
My immediate response when my friend texted me about this was somehow Hillary did it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Of course it was Hillary.
dan friesen
I got bingo.
jordan holmes
Of course it was.
Also, I mean...
The one thing that I would expect from John McAfee is the day before he killed himself to claim that he would never kill himself.
Like, while he's planning how to do it.
dan friesen
But even so, all of the stuff that Alex is talking about is old tweets that he's pretending happened a week before.
So it's still even a lie.
jordan holmes
He's not...
He's not trustworthy!
dan friesen
No, he is not.
Neither is Alex, because now McAfee is his best friend or something.
unidentified
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
This is ridiculous.
jordan holmes
This is like when somebody in your high school dies and the most popular kid is suddenly like, I was their best friend!
Please, everybody feel bad for me!
Like, oh my god, you're evil.
dan friesen
So Alex plays a little clip here of McAfee talking about the deep state.
And I have some thoughts about this.
alex jones
I was hearing from the grave a few years ago.
Talking about the political process on this planet.
unidentified
The deep state is a conspiracy theory.
It's defined as the people within the U.S. government and military who are in secret control of government policy.
Secret?
Please, people.
The deep state is those people.
Within the U.S. government that are career employees that cannot be fired by people that we elect by the Congress or the President.
There are the FCC, the CIA, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the IRS.
Are these people in control?
Can they enact laws?
No.
They're called regulations.
dan friesen
I understand that McAfee is a real hard-nosed libertarian and they hated nothing more than government regulations, but what he's saying here is just idiotic.
Apparently the deep state is these government employees who can't be touched no matter who we elect.
These people include, according to McAfee, the CIA, the SEC, the FCC, and the IRS.
jordan holmes
And every single person who has headed those agencies for the past ten years has been fired.
dan friesen
Well, there's a little bit of nuance to it.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, I know.
dan friesen
The CIA is headed by the director, who is nominated by the president, who we elect, and is confirmed by the Senate, who are elected.
The CIA Director reports directly to the Director of National Intelligence, who is nominated by the President, who is elected, and then confirmed by the Senate, who are elected.
If the President, who is elected, so chooses, they can replace either the CIA Director or the Director of National Intelligence.
I guess it would probably be improper for the president to fire an individual CIA employee, but through the chain of command, if there was a specific legitimate direction, the president wanted to take the organization, they could do that by picking a new director.
jordan holmes
Some asshole is just data entry and all of a sudden I get a tap on the shoulder and the president fired you.
No reason, he just wanted to see if he could.
dan friesen
Obama thinks you're a dick.
jordan holmes
Alex told him that he couldn't do it, and it turns out, yeah, he can.
dan friesen
The SEC, the Securities Exchange Commission, is run by a board of commissioners who are appointed by the president, who is elected, and confirmed by the Senate, who are elected.
your terms when he was running for office John McCain threatened to fire the SEC chair which sparked a conversation about whether or not he actually could it seems a bit unclear whether a president could fire them without congressional approval but it would be a really big deal to try to remove one of these people sure the SEC is supposed to remain very independent seeing as they're tasked with dealing with market manipulations so it would be best not to allow people like a president to be in the position where they could fire them without a really good reason it's all
jordan holmes
Almost like for retaliation towards, let's say, one of their super rich friends.
That might be something that you would want the SEC to be independent of.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's something that you'd really need to try to create safeguards against the appearance of impropriety.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And so President willy-nilly firing an SEC commissioner would be...
jordan holmes
I mean, imagine if you were a senator with early information that a pandemic was coming and you sold all of this stock before everything happened when it was still at a higher value.
That's something that the SEC would investigate and take care of if they were an independent organization, as we all know they are.
dan friesen
...
...
elected and confirmed by the Senate who are elected.
This is also an agency that's meant to be independent, so it's widely understood that a president could not just randomly fire an FCC commissioner, but an interesting article from 2014 in Politico brought up a way that a president could still work to shape FCC policy.
While it's accepted that Obama could not fire the FCC chair if he disagreed on policy, Zephyr Teachout made an argument that he could still remove the chair from that position and replace them with one of the other commissioners.
This would keep the same board intact, but still shake up the power dynamics.
So while there's good reason that a president should not have the sole authority to mold independent agencies to their will, there's still things that can be done to affect change.
The IRS is run by a commissioner who's also appointed by the president, who's elected, and confirmed by the Senate, who are elected.
I've seen some arguments that suggest that a president can actually fire the IRS commissioner, and a lot of conservatives are really pissed off that Trump didn't do just that during his term when John Koshkin was in that position.
Similarly, there are now calls for Biden to fire Charles Reddick, who's the most recent person to fill the role, being appointed by Trump in 2018.
Neither commissioner was or has been fired, and the reason again is probably that doing something like that requires a really strong justification, or else it'll just look like severe corruption.
The idea that the government is secretly run by these unelected people is a popular refrain among folks like McAfee, but it fails to take into account that each of them serves at the pleasure of people who are elected, and the choices that are made in elections can have a drastic implication on any one of these organizations.
jordan holmes
One of the big failings of our government Trump appointed an incredibly corrupt person to run the IRS, and then it would look like corruption if you just fired them.
And it's like, Jesus, there's just no escape.
dan friesen
It's not how you would want it to be.
jordan holmes
It's not the best way to go.
dan friesen
It's unclear what level of elections and how, like, I don't know, IRS...
The middling management or whatever that need to be elected?
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
What level of it would satisfy McAfee's complaint?
And the reason that it's confusing is because it's not a real complaint.
He just doesn't like regulation and government.
jordan holmes
And he doesn't want to pay taxes.
dan friesen
And it's a fine position to have, but the framing of this argument is totally dishonest.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you're being like, oh, they're unelected deep state people, we should reform it, but your actual plan is like, hey, we should just burn down the IRS forever and the bill...
want it better.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, like, and the point that you're making about, like, corruption still existing within even organizations that are intended to be independent...
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
...is very fair.
Yeah.
unidentified
But it's a different complaint...
dan friesen
Totally.
unidentified
...than the complaint that McAfee is bringing.
jordan holmes
McAfee and I are not in agreement.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know what else you're not in agreement about?
jordan holmes
Just about everything?
dan friesen
Your resumes.
alex jones
And I'll give you the inside scoop on Mr. McAfee, because I've got a good idea exactly who he was and what he was doing.
And he was a mercenary, and he did work for a lot of the different spook agencies, including the CIA, including NASA, and including shadow government groups even above that.
He was definitely part of the scientific dictatorship for a while.
He was recruited into it as a young man, but he's off the chart, intelligence level, and good looks.
He had it all.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
And the rest is a history that killed him deader than a hammer.
dan friesen
So what's the agency you think that he was in that was above the CIA?
Aliens, probably?
jordan holmes
I would have to go with aliens.
dan friesen
It's gotta be aliens.
jordan holmes
Unless the aliens are the ones who have negotiated the treaty with the aliens, in which case I guess they're kind of a co-equal branch of universal government.
dan friesen
I'm excited for Alex on a very, I mean...
I mean this sort of facetiously, but McAfee is somebody who Alex can make up so many stories about.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, totally.
dan friesen
He can have a field day.
jordan holmes
I would buy most anything, right?
You can't exaggerate a story that he couldn't have done.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's almost the ideal person for Alex to have.
Die, because now you can take total control over the narrative.
He was one of my best friends.
jordan holmes
McAfee was D.B. Cooper.
Let's do it all, man!
dan friesen
Can you imagine how many things Alex can make up that McAfee told him in conversations and stuff?
I couldn't say it before because he was alive and I'd betray his trust.
unidentified
But now I gotta spill the beans.
jordan holmes
McAfee created a backdoor in all of the government systems that if you press a button, it will shut down everything.
dan friesen
The dead drop is going to be Alex's imagination.
jordan holmes
If McAfee doesn't tweet three times a day, Alex will claim that he's killed everyone.
dan friesen
So Alex, you know, he's overwhelmed.
He's polaxed, you might say.
alex jones
So let me just try to process this for you.
The reason I'm going to be covering things the way I am here today, because I am poleaxed, trying to really cut to the heart of the matter.
So let me just put this out now.
There comes a moment when the tyranny really launches its full attack that all the window dressing falls away.
And you learn more in a day than you learned the previous year.
And we're in that zeitgeist, that quickening, that acceleration, that revelation.
That apocalypse, meaning apocalypse of old ideas dying, new ideas coming forward.
And we're really seeing the death throes of the old world order that calls itself the new world order, wanting to control the future of humanity.
Everything they say is an inverse.
They say they're the new age, they are the dark age.
dan friesen
So do you want a new world order?
jordan holmes
I think that's what he's saying.
We don't want the old world order to be the new world order.
We want a new world order to be the new world order.
dan friesen
I just grow weary of listening to this over so many different time periods and Alex constantly saying, you learn more in a day than you did in a year at so many different times.
It always seems to be like everything is intensifying now.
Alex is the voice of the person who's like...
This is the most important time in history ever.
jordan holmes
Every day.
dan friesen
That feeling that every generation has.
jordan holmes
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Nobody thinks the world is going to exist after them, you know?
There's a certain solipsism to every generation.
dan friesen
Yeah, and that is kind of just so standard on Alex's broadcast style.
It's annoying.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So about a year and a half ago, it was declared over for humanity.
There would only be lone survivors.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and that happened.
dan friesen
According to Mike Adams, the health ranger.
jordan holmes
Can't argue with the truth.
dan friesen
Apparently, vaccines are killing everybody now.
jordan holmes
I don't know anybody who has gotten the vaccine and is not dead.
dan friesen
Alex makes a bold prediction about what the world will look like in a year.
jordan holmes
Is it over for humanity?
dan friesen
It feels like it might be.
alex jones
They've already started the mass calling.
I mean, we're going to have...
I bet 20 million extra dead people in a year.
The numbers are already showing that.
I mean, it's an apocalypse in America alone.
Hundreds of millions worldwide, and this is just the start.
So the question is, how far are we going down this hell before we wake up?
It's all coming up today.
dan friesen
So in a year, I guess we'll check back in and see if 20 million additional people are dead in the United States.
From vaccines and such.
And then we'll consider all of the people who are like, you gotta just, you know, how often is Alex right about stuff?
jordan holmes
Every time.
dan friesen
We'll see.
jordan holmes
He's been right about it being a summer of rage.
dan friesen
Every time.
jordan holmes
It's over for humanity.
dan friesen
The dollar is about to collapse.
jordan holmes
Gold is the only thing to buy.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, I think he's been right.
dan friesen
Obama is going to declare himself king.
jordan holmes
Ah, that's true.
dan friesen
He's going to use the FEMA provisional government to bring in a Muslim caliphate.
jordan holmes
Dukes after the government falls.
dan friesen
Well, to be fair, that was Larry.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Alex just agreed with him.
unidentified
Yes!
jordan holmes
That wasn't an Alex original.
unidentified
No, no.
That's true.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Oh, they're bringing in ballots from North Korea.
jordan holmes
That one was true, though.
That one, it got to Maine.
dan friesen
North Atlantic region.
jordan holmes
It got to Maine through the Panama Canal and nobody checked a North Korean ship.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The things you hear on Alex's show are more right than wrong.
jordan holmes
That sounds true.
That sounds true.
dan friesen
20 million additional deaths in the United States.
jordan holmes
We'll see.
He just can't even moderate the, you know, it's over for humanity.
I mean, I guess 20 million is a conservative number after it's over for humanity, right?
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah, I mean, lone survivors versus 20 million.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's still 310 million people left in the States.
dan friesen
It's a de-escalation from that.
unidentified
It's a de-escalation in some ways.
dan friesen
And it's also going to ramp up a little bit later in the show.
Maybe more than 20 million.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It's just one of the few times Alex has made a specific number, so we'll check back in on that in a year.
jordan holmes
Let's see how long it lasts.
dan friesen
So Alex talks a little bit more about Christopher Sine, and he gets some of the details about this guy wrong.
alex jones
Just 11 days ago, I talked about Christopher Sign.
Christopher Sign, dead at 45, said they were coming to kill him.
They were threatening to kill him.
He won a TV Emmy for his news reporting on the criminal activity of the deep state.
dan friesen
What kind of sense does that make?
That doesn't make any sense.
This story about Bill Clinton on the tarmac meeting with Loretta Lynch is so damaging to the globalists that they have to kill this guy five years later after he reports it.
But it's also supposed to be a story that would win an Emmy?
jordan holmes
That's kind of what I'm struggling with.
Are you telling me?
dan friesen
That would only bring more attention to the story.
jordan holmes
The entire media is like, wow, this is so good.
We're going to award you for this.
dan friesen
The whole media is controlled by the globalists, but somehow the Emmys are an independent thing.
jordan holmes
It's like the SEC.
They're completely independent.
Only right-wing ideologues are actually giving out Emmys.
dan friesen
That is a tough reality for me to square.
His narratives don't match up.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
The reality is that Christopher Sine won an Emmy in 2014, two years before the Clinton story, for his coverage of the shooting of two police officers in Phoenix.
He also won an Edward Murrow Award for some of his reporting on serial killers in Phoenix.
Alex just read a headline that he won an Emmy, and he's assuming that it must be for the Clinton story, even though that makes no sense when combined with other narratives that he's trying to push.
jordan holmes
None at all.
dan friesen
He didn't look into it, he's just making up the story as he sees fit, because that's all he does.
jordan holmes
How many other...
Do the Clintons just go after Emmy?
Is that like their secret?
They're the serial killers with that one weird thing, you know?
Yeah, just collecting Emmys.
Exactly.
They've got the treasure.
Yeah, the whole thing.
They're doing it.
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Look out, Jon Hamm.
Wait, did Jon Hamm ever win one?
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
No, Cranston kept winning.
jordan holmes
Cranston would not stop winning.
dan friesen
Cranston's enemy number one.
jordan holmes
Cranston's gonna go down.
That's all I know.
Look out, it's Hillary!
20 million?
Hundreds of millions?
No, we're just gonna lose the Cranston.
That's it.
dan friesen
Yeah, don't worry about Godzilla or...
jordan holmes
How many Emmys did Modern Family win?
All of them are gone.
dan friesen
Sure.
So, Alex talks about his own coverage of Christopher Sine's death.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I'll say that Alex is inaccurate in this.
jordan holmes
How so?
dan friesen
Well, he wants to sort of change the landscape of what his predictions were, exactly.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
alex jones
And I said, if more deaths pop up...
In the near future, of other prominent anti-establishment individuals, it's a message to everyone ahead of massive killing.
And I've got a clip of myself saying that.
dan friesen
So Alex has a clip of himself saying that, and it's not quite what he was saying.
He was saying that, like, maybe 20 patriot weirdos will be dead overnight.
Me and Tucker, maybe, are going to be...
It was a little bit more specific then.
Anybody who might be tertiarily related to my show.
Maybe someone who was on in the past.
McAfee did not fit the image of who Alex was talking about in that episode.
So he plays this clip.
Man, this is where everything falls apart.
alex jones
And so here is a clip of myself talking about this.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
Ten days ago.
In the coal mine, this guy was a big one.
So if we start seeing more deaths the next few days, the next few weeks, it's a message to threaten everybody to shut up.
Or there might be 20 deaths by tomorrow.
unidentified
Thank you.
alex jones
Well, I'm not sure what's going on with the control room today.
Hell, I don't even have an idea at this point.
Can we cue back up, gentlemen, just, you know, for me, here?
Can we cue back up that clip?
We're going to play it now.
We're going to try this again.
Here I am.
Ten days ago with sugar on top.
dan friesen
Okay, so real quick, before you respond, here is him trying again.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Got to cue that clip back up.
jordan holmes
All right.
One more time.
Is this our show?
alex jones
We're going to try this again.
Here I am.
Ten days ago with sugar on top.
Entering the coal mine, this guy was a big one.
So if we start seeing more deaths the next few days, the next few weeks, it's a message to threaten everybody to shut up.
Or there might be 20 deaths by tomorrow.
Oh, I understand.
I sent you guys a full clip, and somehow you didn't download them.
I just got to get here earlier.
I got to review every single clip.
jordan holmes
It's your job!
You're talking about doing your job!
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
That's all you're complaining about having to work the job you created for yourself.
dan friesen
Well, there's that, but I think that there's a secondary thing, and that is that he's recognizing that the people he's delegated these tasks to aren't doing their job, except they are.
Yeah.
unidentified
Because he complains.
dan friesen
He's like, I sent you a 10-second clip.
That is 10 seconds.
Maybe it doesn't feel like it to him.
unidentified
That is clearly the clip that he sent them.
jordan holmes
But he's trying.
I know.
alex jones
Oh, I understand.
I sent you guys a full clip and somehow you didn't download them.
I just got to get here earlier.
I got to review every single clip on this show.
I'm going to broadcast for a while.
I'm going to reset the show at this point.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
You're the worst.
alex jones
And I'm going to try to come back here.
Because all hell's breaking loose.
The wheels are coming off everything.
jordan holmes
Because of this clip that you played.
alex jones
I am really, really, really, really, really, really, really trying.
My best here to do the best I can.
Yeah, there it is on the sheet.
It says 10 seconds.
All righty then.
Well, that is not how long that was.
unidentified
It was.
It was.
alex jones
It doesn't matter.
I mean, I came in here and I went over all this and I've got all this news.
And what does it even matter?
What does it even matter?
To the general public.
They don't care.
They're all just going to die.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
Wow.
unidentified
That's up from 20 million now.
jordan holmes
What a whiny baby.
dan friesen
He's throwing a little fit because the clip didn't say how he set it up.
He set it up too extremely.
The clip didn't match those expectations.
And now, instead of dealing with that and being like, well, you know, maybe...
Maybe I misset that up or something.
He's throwing a fit and everyone's gonna die.
He's trying his best.
jordan holmes
That is so funny.
It is.
I mean, how can you do it that fast?
How can you do it that fast?
How can you go from being like, I'm the best, I'm the strongest, we're gonna fight this, to just being like, this clip, I thought it was different.
Everybody's gonna die.
alex jones
Like, whoa!
dan friesen
Well, you know, I think that...
Good comedians on stage will be able to respond to changing dynamics in the audience really fast.
jordan holmes
It's almost like your job.
dan friesen
Yeah, so if you're on stage and you're in the middle of, let's say, a bit or a story, and something happens in the audience that you need to respond to, you can change what you're doing in order to respond to that.
Otherwise, it'll cause a wrench in the gears.
jordan holmes
You'll be doing a bad job.
dan friesen
And I think that people who don't have experience doing stand-up or don't know that, Don't get how it's even possible that someone could do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think with Alex, he has that skill, but in this world, in this realm, and that is covering up the appearance of, oh, that doesn't make sense, with an emotional outburst that's really severe and seems real to people who are tricked into thinking he's sincere about anything.
We're all gonna die.
That covers up the fuck up.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
The dynamic in the room changed, and he's responding to that.
Blaming it on the staff.
Yep.
Talking about, who cares?
We're all gonna die anyway.
jordan holmes
I mean, what's great about it is that part of you, if you are a listener, like if I'm part of the InfoWars listeners living through this clip, I am assuming...
dan friesen
I like calling it living through it.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
I am assuming that Alex does have the actual clip.
But unfortunately couldn't play it because of a mistake.
dan friesen
That's the impression that he wants you to have.
jordan holmes
Not that he didn't say what it is that he wanted to have said.
dan friesen
Right, right.
And part of conveying that to the audience is the distraction of the little petulant meltdown.
Which totally, totally has nothing to do with the clip.
It has nothing to do with the clip?
Nothing.
alex jones
I'd like you guys to re-download that clip I sent.
jordan holmes
The same one?
alex jones
So that we can try to actually get that out and do that.
jordan holmes
Bet you won't.
alex jones
Maybe I'm not supposed to be on air anymore.
Maybe this show's not supposed to be on air anymore.
Maybe we've reached that point where I'm just supposed to walk away and disappear and let the whole thing collapse.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Yes.
alex jones
There's no holding it up.
No doing that.
Do it.
unidentified
Do it.
alex jones
Now look at all the people that have sold out the system.
They love it.
jordan holmes
Quit.
alex jones
They love the death, they love the destruction, they love being fools because they're followers, because they're idiots, because they're morons.
And that's really what all of this has come down to.
unidentified
Thank you.
alex jones
I didn't get mad because that clip didn't play.
Sure.
jordan holmes
What?
That pause is literally...
There's nothing you can read into that pause other than him thinking, people are going to assume I was mad about the clip.
I was mad about the clip.
I gotta tell people I wasn't mad about the clip.
That's the progression of thoughts that you can hear while he's silent.
You can hear them in his brain.
dan friesen
100%.
jordan holmes
Wow.
People are definitely going to assume it was about that clip.
Better say it wasn't.
dan friesen
This is clearly...
jordan holmes
100% about this clip.
dan friesen
My behavior is woefully transparent.
jordan holmes
Unacceptable, in fact.
Unprofessional?
dan friesen
Let me see if I can get out in front of this thing.
unidentified
Exactly!
jordan holmes
Yes!
A lot of people are going to say I killed that guy because he stole my food.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Not about that.
dan friesen
So, look, he wants to cover the big news.
unidentified
Does he?
Yeah.
dan friesen
He does, because he says he does.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I really want to cover their globalist declaration of war against humanity properly.
I want to do a good job for everybody.
I'm going to try it again when we come back.
But please, no one enter the studio.
No one come in here.
It's like a train.
Once somebody's a guest in here, they're in there all day long.
Once there's something going on, it's like it's a freaking frat party out there.
All I'm asking for is to be left alone in the studio today.
I'm not going to shoot any other videos.
I'm not going to hang out with anybody.
I love everybody.
But I need to just focus in my own little cocoon and do my show right here.
And that's what I'm going to try to do.
dan friesen
He's trying to present now that he's like too distracted by things that are going on in the studio to cover his, to do his job.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
But this isn't about the clip.
I'm not mad about the clip.
dan friesen
Alright, let's pretend it's not about the clip, and it is actually about him being too distracted by things that are going on.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That's still his fault.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's cultivated the work environment that he has.
If it's not conducive to him getting his job done, that's on him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
I feel no sympathy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, to bring it back to comics, that's like if you got the light and you were like, Listen up!
I can't do stand-up!
Somebody shined a light over there!
I can never tell a joke again!
I'm too distracted!
dan friesen
Or people in the audience eating food.
I'm so distracted by you eating, I can't tell jokes.
jordan holmes
The check drop happened, and now it's all over.
The show ends.
dan friesen
But it's actually different, because you didn't start the club.
You aren't the person who made the menu and made it so these people would be eating while you're trying to perform stand-up.
jordan holmes
Why did I get so many cracklins?
There's so much chomping going around here.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's the way to make that analog.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I think that this is sad.
But Alex does get back to trying.
And he's got this clip that he's trying to use as an argument that Joe Biden...
He's threatening to nuke Americans.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because, you know, Biden made that comment about how, you know, if you're going to, you know, having guns to fight the government makes no sense.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That sort of sentiment.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex builds this up quite a bit about how this is like he's going to nuke the fucking people, right?
jordan holmes
What do you think is going to require more congressional oversight?
Firing, let's say, the head of the IRS or nuking the American citizen?
dan friesen
Probably IRS.
jordan holmes
IRS for sure.
dan friesen
So Alex builds that up.
Then he plays the clip of Biden.
And it does not say that.
jordan holmes
You guys get the wrong clip again!
dan friesen
No, Alex does a different move than he usually does.
Pay attention to this because he makes sort of an argument at the beginning, plays the clip, and then responds to a completely different argument at the end because it doesn't say what he says it said.
alex jones
So here's Biden, the imposter, the stooge, the puppet, the pretender, the destroyer.
Ooh.
Death that rides on the white horse, figuratively and literally.
jordan holmes
He rides on a white horse?
alex jones
Reanimated by Satan.
The usurper.
Basically admitting in his own senile rage.
That, oh, we want your guns, because don't worry, you can't fight our military anyways, we've got the nukes.
Saying the military is separate from the American people, and that their plan is military action.
As if you'd use a nuclear weapon on a rebellion, and blow up your own cities, your own systems that are full of your own people.
The cities are 60% Democrat slave, or more.
It's not even theoretical to use nuclear weapons.
To, quote, dominate the American people.
Unless you meant nuke our major power production sites, which they're already turning off via carbon taxes, so that's not needed.
They're already turning off our pipelines, destroying our borders, bringing in dependent populations they control.
They're already doing that.
So to say, hey, don't worry, you don't need those guns anyways.
We've got nukes.
We, oh, you're separate from us.
So what a statement here it is.
joe biden
I'd add the Second Amendment from the day it was passed limited the type of people could own a gun and what type of weapon you could own.
You couldn't buy a cannon.
Those who say the blood of the the blood of patriots, you know, senile rage about how we're going to have to move against the government.
Well, the tree of liberty is not watering the blood of patriots.
What's happened is that there are.
You need F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons.
The point is that there's always been the ability to limit, rationally limit, the type of weapon that can be owned and who can own it.
The last time we had...
alex jones
So, there you go.
Oh, like the nukes the Democrats gave and the missile secrets.
And to China.
dan friesen
So, yeah, you see a completely different point being made after the video because it had nothing to do with the story that Alex is telling about, like, oh, he's going to act militarily on the people.
This is sort of a side point that Biden was making to the larger point, which is that there's always been limitations to what sorts of weaponry people can own for safety reasons.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's just abuse.
That's mental abuse to do that and then make that whiplash change as if you didn't.
dan friesen
I think, honestly, Alex should just review the clips before he comes in.
jordan holmes
He should listen to every clip, in fact, before he plays it.
dan friesen
Because otherwise you just have all this dissonance going on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's hurtful.
dan friesen
So Alex kind of realizes after pivoting to the side what Biden's actual point is.
And so he responds to that idea.
alex jones
And of course, you can buy cannons.
And the people that own cannons never see crimes being committed with them.
Just like.50 cals is a cannon.
Almost no crime has been committed with a.50 caliber rifle.
That was the robbery of an armored truck back in the 80s, so...
dan friesen
Alex is trying to define a.50 caliber as a cannon, even though he even refers to it as a rifle.
I think he knows that this is a dishonest argument.
Also, in terms of crimes being committed with.50 caliber rifles, I was actually able to find a House of Representatives report from 1999 specifically about crimes committed with.50 caliber rifles.
This report does tend to track with Alex's narrative, but part of the reason for that is that.50 caliber rifles are very inconvenient in terms of committing most crimes.
Most of them are so large that you need to have them propped up on a stand for shooting purposes, which is why most of the instances of crimes associated with.50 caliber rifles in this government report are related to disrupted criminal plots.
There's the case of a West Virginia Mountaineer militia member who was plotting to bomb an FBI office who had a.50 caliber rifle in his home when it was searched, for example.
The majority of people mentioned in this report had the.50 caliber at home, but would use smaller, more Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because duh.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because duh.
dan friesen
That said, Alex is still just lying.
One case happened in 2015 when a man and his son, Greg and Jason Niedermeyer, fired on a sheriff's office volunteer and hit him three times.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
The officer lived, but it's unclear if the.50 caliber that was being shot at him were the bullets that actually hit him.
But what is not unclear is that the.50 caliber definitely was shot at him.
Jesus Christ.
At least when he was fleeing in his vehicle.
jordan holmes
I mean, to somebody in the 1700s, that is a cannon.
That is functionally the most terrifying cannon that's ever existed.
dan friesen
That officer had been part of an interagency group that had uncovered a marijuana grow site in Arizona, where they also found a ton of guns and pipe bombs.
An ATV was seen speeding away from their location, and this officer followed it to what turned out to be the needle.
Yeah, I mean, it tracks.
jordan holmes
The only reason that you would have a gun that big is to commit...
A big crime.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
So it requires more planning, and they can...
dan friesen
Not always.
jordan holmes
No, I know, but I know, but nobody's, like, walking into a fucking 7-Eleven, knocking it over with a 50 count!
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
It's inconvenient for that kind of...
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
In 2013, a man named Adam Wickeser was arrested after shooting his ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend.
Prior to the shooting, the victim had called the police to say that Wickazer was on his own front porch with a rifle and, quote, while cops were on their way, dispatchers heard a shot and a scream and the connection shut off.
So what happened is that he had a.50 caliber and he was pointing it at this guy.
Yeah.
Allegedly just trying to scare him.
jordan holmes
Hey!
That'll scare ya!
dan friesen
And he shot him in the neck.
jordan holmes
Well, that's not scary.
dan friesen
In 2004, a guy named Marvin Heemeyer, he created an armored bulldozer with a.50 caliber mounted on it.
He was mad about zoning issues and city code, so he went off and, quote, plowed the armor-plated bulldozer into the town hall, a former mayor's home, and at least five other buildings.
jordan holmes
I mean...
In some ways, I respect that.
dan friesen
He shot himself rather than get arrested, and the.50 caliber wasn't actually used specifically in the crime, but it was mounted on his armored bulldozer, so I think that counts.
jordan holmes
That's probably more of an intimidation thing.
If you're the only person running the bulldozer, I mean, you would need somebody up there...
dan friesen
They might have meant to use it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You never know.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
There are plenty of other examples, but I think the point is made, and nothing is going to top a crazy homemade armored bulldozer.
jordan holmes
It just doesn't get better than that.
That's just too...
dan friesen
It is fairly true that.50 caliber rifles are rarely used in explicit violent acts because other weapons are just as effective and easier to wield.
However, they are very often found as part of the home collections of criminals, and they are sometimes used in crimes themselves.
What Alex is saying is just an old NRA talking point, that he's internalized his truth because he's an idiot and a zealot, just as brainwashed as everyone he claims on the left are.
It's a bunch of nonsense.
jordan holmes
I get so tired of the same argument being convincing enough for these types of people.
Here's the thing.
If somebody gave me an argument that I knew was the exact same argument from the 60s that they tried and that didn't work, I would say, we don't care about that idea anymore.
We tried and it didn't work.
And these people are just like, I know!
It didn't work last year, but maybe it'll work now and next year and the year after that and the year after that and the year after that and then they've been so brainwashed by it.
They love hearing it.
They love to hear that guns are the best.
They just love it.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think that you change a little bit of aesthetic.
You change the shirt that the narrative is wearing or whatever, and you can pass it off as brand new.
I think Alex does a bunch of that.
I think a conspiracy culture really does a lot of that work.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, again, it's just that macro all over again, you know?
You switch the Black Panther fatigues for a BLM shirt, and you're still like, ah, they're communist infiltrators that the Democrats are bringing in from other countries to replace us.
Sure, we said that in the 90s.
Sure, we said that in the 80s.
Sure, we said that in the 70s, the 60s, the 50s.
Sure, we did that.
dan friesen
It's interesting that you use that example.
jordan holmes
But now it's true.
Now it's true.
dan friesen
Sure.
But you bring that example up, and that's very fitting, because at this point, Alex gets into critical race theory.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, no.
Oh, God, no.
dan friesen
I'm not even taking this seriously as a legitimate argument that is being made.
jordan holmes
There's no argument.
dan friesen
But what Alex is responding to is that clip of General Milley saying that he wants to understand white rage.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that he understands, or, you know, he reads a lot of things about theories, whether or not he necessarily believes that they're true.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Because there's value in understanding.
All kinds of people's perspectives.
jordan holmes
Yes, he said education is important, and the conservatives went...
dan friesen
So Alex has some real problems with General Milley.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And some of the other brass.
jordan holmes
Anybody who doesn't say white people are the best and everybody else should die?
dan friesen
Yep.
Apparently they're putting a bunch of black generals in charge because they're going to take the guns, and then you're racist if you resist it.
alex jones
You're not going to, oh, if you attack the black generals leading gun confiscation across the country, they've already briefed, they're already ready, they're preparing the cadres to train for total gun confiscation to be led by the Secretary of Defense and the National Sherman 2.0 is to be General Honoré on record declaring war on white people and gun owners.
And it won't matter what color you are when they're taking the guns and killing you, you'll be a white supremacist.
You don't turn them over.
That's how they were always going to come for the guns.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Always.
dan friesen
Always.
jordan holmes
That's what you've said for years.
For years.
Didn't say any other...
You know, it's so funny.
It's just so funny how obvious this is, just because the moment people started talking about critical race theory, the conservatives...
Reveal exactly why it's important by reacting in such a white nationalist way.
Like, their immediate response is you're trying to kill white people, and you're like, do you get why we need the theory?
dan friesen
It's a little telling.
And I think that, honestly, I would ask any of these people who are complaining about this idea, this theory, what is it?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, they don't care.
dan friesen
I would not get an answer.
jordan holmes
They don't care and they don't know.
dan friesen
Alex has no idea.
He doesn't make any reference to what the theory actually is, what the roots of it are, anything other than white people are bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's all they want to hear.
That's the only thing that he thinks that this involves.
And it's nonsense.
And so, you know, Millie, Austin, his generals, they're traitors.
Traitors.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
And they're planting false flags.
jordan holmes
Nothing.
alex jones
This country in its 250 years history has never had traitors as bad as Honoré and Millie and Austin.
These men, once they've been politically, culturally, economically, and using the criminal justice system defeated, will be known as the new definition of Benedict Arnold.
They are the plague.
They are a curse.
And they are planning, in my view, false flag terror attacks here in America to submit their rollout against us.
They're spoiling for a war.
They're spoiling for a coup.
They're spoiling to overthrow.
And they're getting ready to carry out terror attacks.
That is, their handlers are to be blamed on those of us that are loyal Americans.
dan friesen
So, yeah, we got, you know, I just hear this all the time.
jordan holmes
All the time.
dan friesen
All the time.
jordan holmes
Conservatives are just empty of everything but whiteness and guns now.
You know?
Colin Kaepernick, how dare you disrespect the military?
Generals are all traitors and we should kill them!
Like, Jesus Christ!
There is nothing, it's empty of whiteness and just whiteness and guns.
That's it!
dan friesen
I agree, at least from the perspective of this branch of the conservative media.
jordan holmes
Just insane!
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Insane!
dan friesen
It's nonsensical.
But from Alex specifically, I just don't understand how he feels like he can get any purchase out of predicting false flags.
It just happens all the time.
Never-ending predictions that you just ignore that you've made last week and the week before.
It's outrageous.
jordan holmes
It's like you've got to update it.
It's like when you've got an album and the release date keeps getting pushed back.
unidentified
No, it's like he's hitting snooze on the alarm clock.
jordan holmes
That is exactly what it is.
dan friesen
And this is a snooze, because it's all just white nonsense.
alex jones
And they're on channel saying, we need to get members of Congress using the military.
And then...
General Milley and General Austin and General Honore get up there and click their heels and say, we want to slug out with the American people and every white person that doesn't salute us is a white supremacist enemy and we're the Americans and they're Hitler and we're going to get them!
We're ready for war!
Turn us loose!
We're going to get America!
Death to America, says Milley!
Death to America, says Austin!
Death to America!
unidentified
Trying to get business capital?
jordan holmes
Is that what Alex was?
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Was he frustrated that he couldn't get business capital?
dan friesen
I think it might have been a fitting commercial.
jordan holmes
That might have worked.
dan friesen
Yeah, he seems fake mad there.
So, it's a Marxist plan, this critical race theory.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Marxist.
jordan holmes
You know, I...
I might even argue that Alex is making a compelling defense for my point, which is that if you don't read or engage with critical theory, race theory, you're probably a white supremacist.
dan friesen
I think that if you respond this knee-jerk way, then maybe...
jordan holmes
They're going to call all of us white supremacists only because we immediately react in a way that would suggest we believe in the supremacy of white people.
dan friesen
It's sort of telling on yourself.
jordan holmes
It's a little bit, yeah.
dan friesen
And he continues to.
alex jones
You know, I didn't play a lot of it because I already watched it yesterday and I figure most of you have already seen it.
Welcome back to the Oxygen Show here.
Of General Milley and General Austin and all the rest of these guys up there with just such demonic looks on their faces.
Hateful towards Congress.
Well, they brought up critical race theory that is a Marxist-Leninist-Globalist liberation theology to bring down the country on record that America as a colonialist country shouldn't exist.
This is pure poison.
And then to say, all our white members of the military have to be asked whether they're good people or not.
That is so racist, so evil, so abusive.
And to see the enjoyment of Milley and the enjoyment of Austin.
Knowing this is their takeover plan, and they're in on the takeover of America, and they're these big conquerors, to see them abuse their position, betray us like this, it's blood-curdling.
dan friesen
It's just dumb.
jordan holmes
I mean, that fucking refrain of everything they say we're doing is what they're doing, and then he says, oh, all the white members of the military are going to have to be asked how they think.
Not true.
In Florida, all the students are going to be asked what they think because of the Republican government.
Stop saying that you're doing what we're doing.
You're doing it!
dan friesen
It's blood-curdling?
jordan holmes
Yeah!
It's frustrating to be gaslit on a national stage.
dan friesen
So you know what gets my goose, though, I'll say?
You know, I have a line in the sand.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And that is that critical race theory should not be taught to preschoolers.
jordan holmes
I honestly disagree.
You gotta wrestle with those concepts from the beginning.
dan friesen
No, you don't.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
No, you don't.
jordan holmes
Clifford the Big Red Dog should be entirely about race relations.
dan friesen
When do you learn addition?
jordan holmes
Is that preschool?
I don't even think so.
dan friesen
Is it finger painting?
jordan holmes
I think it might just be finger painting.
dan friesen
Yeah, so anyway, Alex thinks that they're teaching critical race theory to preschoolers.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Which...
jordan holmes
How?
How?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
How?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, look.
Alex doesn't know what anything is.
alex jones
That's true.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
But he is still mad.
jordan holmes
True.
alex jones
But then we've got all the critical race theory documents from it.
Preschools now, they're teaching white children that they're bad because they're white.
That'll stick for life.
This is super abusive.
That article's on Infowars.com.
And I'm sure the general agrees with that because he said the Capitol was white rage.
He wants to know why white people attacked this Capitol!
2,000 of them!
jordan holmes
Oh, I don't think it's hard to figure out.
alex jones
Oh, you mean a million people showed up to protest the fraudulent election, our right to do it?
And then your provocateurs helped trick maybe 500, 600 inside that walked through the velvet ropes, and maybe 20 fought police, and the police stood down?
So you can now say, all of them are white supremacists, and then all of America is, and you're the big, the big U.S. military gonna teach us, because Biden said, you got the nukes and the F-15s to show the gun owners.
dan friesen
I think Alex just embodied that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, 100%.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
This is an example of why this is important.
dan friesen
Right here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there you go.
Critical race theory is about teaching children that it's bad to be white.
dan friesen
Oh, that's that anger that we were talking about.
jordan holmes
The white rage.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
alex jones
Thank you.
dan friesen
Thank you for being an example.
jordan holmes
I understand it now.
dan friesen
But this particular brand of rage that Alex Jones embodies, it is not all just racial.
Sometimes it's homophobic, too.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's nice.
alex jones
But there's our military leaders who aren't ours.
They're captured, they're controlled, and they are enthusiastic.
And Trump, of course, fetishized Millie and others when they were all working against him, just like Mad Dog Mattis.
I guess they call him Mad Dog because he's such a homosexual or whatever.
And I guess he is Mad Dog.
He gets a room with a bunch of peepees.
But, I mean, that's who these guys are.
And the point is, there's nothing wrong with the fact that Mattis is a homosexual, probably.
The point is, is they blackmail him with that.
They call him Mad Dog Mattis because he's like three feet tall.
Everything they say about him is a fraud.
It's not a mad dog.
He's a mad creep.
He wanted to have a coup against the president.
They're sacks of garbage.
They're enemies.
They're un-American.
Oh, the media tells you he's an intellectual.
He reads books.
Ooh, Mattis reads books.
Ooh, Milley was a Green Beret.
unidentified
Ooh, ooh, ooh, look!
jordan holmes
Convinced me.
alex jones
Judge them by their fruits.
dan friesen
I would say that if you apply the standard of judging people by their fruits to Alex's guests...
unidentified
Ooh.
jordan holmes
I don't think he would like it if he did that.
dan friesen
He'd probably have to disown all of them.
jordan holmes
I think he should.
dan friesen
Yeah.
How does Steve Pchenik stand up to the judge a man by his fruits test?
jordan holmes
Well, you know...
Apparently, you can't judge him by his fruits because you will be killed.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
By his global team of world shatterers.
dan friesen
His fruits are that he's taken responsibility for literally everything that's ever happened in geopolitics.
jordan holmes
Including assassinations.
Yeah.
Tons of them.
Overthrowing governments?
The coups?
dan friesen
Not good fruits.
jordan holmes
Explain to me!
dan friesen
Imaginary fruits, some might say.
unidentified
I mean, it's like...
jordan holmes
Steve Pachenik is the only person who has actively claimed to have already committed coups.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
And he's been on Alex's show saying that he's in a state of open treason against the government.
jordan holmes
I'm supposed to sit here and be like, the people who work for the government are starting a coup.
But me and the person who commits coups, whoa, we're trying to stop it this time.
dan friesen
Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
He's doing a coup, but it's only because the other coup.
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
It's a counter-counter-counter coup.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How many counters are we on now?
dan friesen
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
How about Leo Zagami?
How's his freeze?
jordan holmes
Well, he got the Pope arrested.
dan friesen
You don't know anything about the Pope.
jordan holmes
I don't know shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he's Jesus, apparently.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Good fruits.
jordan holmes
Wow, I mean, nobody's born better fruits than Jesus.
dan friesen
How about Roger Stone and his North Korean ballot boats?
jordan holmes
I mean, I would say the actual fruit...
You don't even need the imaginary fruits of Roger Stone.
The actual fruits of his should prove more than enough about how evil that piece of shit is.
dan friesen
Alex has recently made friends with Mike Lindell.
He's got some interesting fruit.
jordan holmes
Best pillows in the world.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's a bad fruit salad.
I would say.
InfoWars guests is not an edible arrangement.
jordan holmes
It's all passion fruits and kiwis just mixed together.
dan friesen
So the problem, though, with the army and the services and the generals...
jordan holmes
Is that the problem?
dan friesen
Wokeness.
jordan holmes
Wokeness.
God, you're just white.
That's all you're mad about.
dan friesen
Yeah, and so Alex complains about this a little bit, and then this is one of the sadder ad pivots I've heard in a while.
I'm going to tell you in advance, just so you can experience.
This is a bummer.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Because you're the woke person with all the corporations and the Pentagon and all the universities and the whole system in Hollywood behind you to mess with our kids and screw with their brains.
With big tech censoring everybody and the rest of it, it's totally disgusting.
Alright, I haven't plugged yet.
I'm just going to tell you this right now.
If you don't support us, we won't be here.
Maybe that's what God wants, so whatever.
unidentified
Wow.
Yikes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the other part of understanding white rage is ultimately when you get down to the bottom of it, you just have to remember it's a bunch of people whining that white people aren't running everything and everything isn't easy for them.
That's it.
dan friesen
Yep, there seemed to be a bit of that.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex gets back to talking about McAfee.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
Exciting.
unidentified
Is it?
dan friesen
No.
But on his immediate video that he put out, the evidence that Alex presented is all that tweets.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Tweets.
jordan holmes
Just tweets.
dan friesen
Now, suspiciously, the next day we have a new piece of evidence that Alex is adding.
jordan holmes
That is suspicious.
alex jones
Same thing with John McAfee, who I knew well.
Who personally told me the last time we talked on the phone, a couple years ago, before he was thrown in that Madrid prison for no reason, waiting an extradition, like Julian Assange of the U.S., that he would never commit suicide.
So as soon as I heard yesterday afternoon, right after I went off air, that John McAfee was dead, I was in my office taking like a 30-minute nap to reset my brain.
A little trick to trick your mind that you haven't been working since 5 a.m.
jordan holmes
Wow.
alex jones
To go back to work.
And Rob Dew's like...
John McAfee's dead.
Dead in a Madrid, not a Madrid, a Barcelona.
Barcelona.
Teleprompter-free folks.
Barcelona.
Jail.
And I said, go check his Twitter, see if he said he would never commit suicide.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Wait, you said?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He told you.
You don't need the Twitter.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He told you personally.
dan friesen
But this is the fun that Alex now gets to have with taking over the sort of identity and the personal stories.
There's just enough connection between them that it's plausible that McAfee and him have had private conversations.
So now Alex can just say whatever he wants and be like, yeah, you said that to me on the phone.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
We are gradually getting closer and closer to...
John McAfee was my best friend.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
We've been together for 30 years.
dan friesen
I was in Belize.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yes.
dan friesen
I killed his neighbor.
jordan holmes
100%.
You might as well be.
I knew him well.
He was on the show maybe 20 times.
I knew him really well.
We were close.
We texted all the time.
dan friesen
We were in a rotisserie baseball league.
jordan holmes
You went to my Veterans Association.
He named my first child.
Rex is short for McAfee.
dan friesen
So Alex compares this, of course, to the death of Andrew Breitbart.
unidentified
Naturally.
dan friesen
And unfortunately, Alex has not brushed up on the Breitbart death narratives, and he confuses some of the details.
alex jones
Just like Breitbart died of a heart attack two hours after he was in the hospital.
They never say that.
They didn't say that.
The media lied.
He had information, a video reportedly, of Hillary Clinton doing absolutely horrible things.
I talked to Eric Mueller.
ManCal Mueller was good friends with him.
Talked to him every day.
They hung out all the time.
ManCal was out in L.A. He said, no, man, they might kill me.
They're after me.
They're following me, but screw them.
Breitbart did not kill himself.
dan friesen
I agree that Breitbart didn't kill himself.
jordan holmes
He didn't kill himself.
dan friesen
No one's saying that he did.
jordan holmes
No one said he killed himself.
dan friesen
Alex is screwing up the details of the conspiracy theory.
The story was that Breitbart was killed because he had a video that would take down Barack Obama, presumably evidence that he was a radical communist extremist.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
The conspiracy was never about Hillary, but the real version of the Breitbart conspiracy isn't gonna move the needle at this point.
Hillary is more interesting in the Satanism and all that.
So that's the thing, the MacGuffin, that Breitbart had that needed to be silenced.
Alex is just completely screwing up even what the stories were.
jordan holmes
I think it's kind of funny how...
They're all in the background.
Now it's back to the Clintons somehow.
Obama was president a short while ago and you hated that guy!
dan friesen
But I think that they've been able to transition a lot of the Obama conspiracies into actually being Clinton conspiracies.
It's sort of a sub-branch.
jordan holmes
And then Biden has a connection to both of them, so you can kind of triangulate there.
But, I mean, it's just...
dan friesen
And Bill and Hillary are secretly running the Biden administration as well.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's just like the only people who fucking hate Obama now are the left.
We're the only ones who've gotten together and re-evaluated and been like...
Oh, we were fucked.
dan friesen
No, I think Alex and the right still very much dislike Obama passionately.
I think that the left have critiques and criticisms of a lot of policies that Obama enacted and could have done better about.
jordan holmes
And his post-presidential life as well.
dan friesen
I don't think that any president is going to have a real great time after their president.
jordan holmes
Carter did.
dan friesen
Well, I think...
jordan holmes
By dedicating his life to helping others and going away.
dan friesen
But I also still think that he took it on the chin quite a bit about, you know, sort of the economic impact of his time in office.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
I think that you're not gonna ever have smooth sailing afterwards.
jordan holmes
Probably not.
dan friesen
And, you know, maybe that's something that people should expect when they get in.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
You get cushy speaking gigs, but also...
A lot of people are not going to like you.
jordan holmes
And it's hard not to commit war crimes if you're the President of the United States.
So, generally speaking, almost all of our presidents should be in The Hague.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah.
I think your comment is cool.
jordan holmes
Noted?
dan friesen
No, no, no.
I think that the left doesn't hate Obama.
They have critiques of him.
That some might border on strong dislike, and I'm sure that there are some people who do hate.
Sure.
The right does still hate him.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
That's true.
That's the point that I was...
jordan holmes
He's just not the forefront.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I understand.
I'm just saying he's not the forefront of the...
dan friesen
Yes, yes.
jordan holmes
He's not the brunt.
unidentified
He's not getting that.
dan friesen
The Clintons will always still have a special place in their heart.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, it's because the Clintons were the big bad guys at the time when things were pretty fun for the Patriots.
jordan holmes
When it was really popping off and Limbaugh was going ham on everybody.
dan friesen
They had the newsletters and everything felt kind of secretive and they were in their clubs.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and the groundwork has been laid for so many years that, sure, but they're still available to hate.
dan friesen
It was so much easier to actually be a white supremacist or Nazi back then.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because, like, the internet didn't exist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you just got away with it.
You and your buddies hung out in a garage and planned murders.
Yeah.
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah, you talked...
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the good old days.
So good.
dan friesen
Alex seems to believe that the Pentagon has declared war on the American people.
jordan holmes
That sounds weird for just a conversation about a guy having read theory before, but...
dan friesen
Also.
Yeah.
Don't do anything about it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Wow, that's a good idea.
That's a good idea.
dan friesen
Now let me be clear.
The Pentagon has declared war on you.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Be cool.
jordan holmes
Okay.
That's really comforting to know.
unidentified
Be cool.
jordan holmes
I'm comforted.
dan friesen
Sit down.
unidentified
Just be cool.
alex jones
So a nine is starting to kill anybody prominent to scare everybody to shut up ahead of the real takeover.
It's what the Pentagon did in South Vietnam before they did a big offensive.
They ended up backfiring on them because the Vietnamese weren't wimps.
I'm not picking sides in that war, I'm just saying.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
You're not picking sides in the Vietnam War?
alex jones
In the mid-1960s, who they thought were sympathizing with the North Vietnamese.
Now, you think killing everybody's grandpa made the Vietnamese go get in a fetal position and cry to mommy?
No, made them get machine guns and hand grenades.
Here's the difference.
You're not going to have Big Tough Guy Millie and Big Tough Guy Austin waging war on us over in Vietnam.
It's going to be here.
And they want that war with us.
They were trained and bred to hate this country.
They were trained to infiltrate our government.
jordan holmes
Just now?
alex jones
And now they want that war, and they think we're such cowards that they're going to be able to take it over and win this attack against us.
I don't want that.
I want this to stop.
But they're on the news.
The official battle doctrine of the U.S. Army and the military is now at war with America.
That alone is total treason.
Biden should be impeached right now.
But instead, it's full scale ahead with war.
I hope to avert it.
I hope to stop it.
The last thing we need is any offensive violence.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Well done.
alex jones
The Pentagon has declared war on the American people.
unidentified
The Pentagon is taken over by the New World War.
At the top.
alex jones
And we're in a lot of trouble.
I don't want people in the military to get mad about it.
I don't want you to even talk about it.
They want you to identify yourself so they can get rid of you.
Just sit there and keep your mouth shut, but understand this.
This country's two minutes to execution.
And maybe that's what we deserve.
We killed 60 million babies.
We let pedophiles teach our kids in schools.
Hell, we worship the devil.
Maybe it's God's plan.
dan friesen
This is a mess.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Pentagon's declared war on America.
dan friesen
He says that multiple times.
jordan holmes
Multiple times.
But he does point out he doesn't want offensive violence.
unidentified
Be cool.
jordan holmes
I don't want any offensive violence.
dan friesen
Two minutes to execution.
jordan holmes
Next statement.
The Pentagon has declared war on America!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Now, if you're in the Army and you're in services...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Be cool.
jordan holmes
Be cool.
You don't want to let them know that you're a patriot.
Don't show your cards.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
It's two minutes to execution, so what I want you to do is wait a minute.
jordan holmes
Wait a minute and a half.
Maybe a minute 45, but that might be too long.
dan friesen
So dumb.
jordan holmes
That's so fucking just dissonant to the point of, in a way, paralysis.
Being actively murdered any moment now.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
In two minutes, metaphorically.
jordan holmes
And also, I should just wait.
dan friesen
Be cool.
Yeah, I know.
It's a nonsensical emotional state that he wants the audience to be in.
jordan holmes
It's just a beatdown.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex almost started the show covering news about how COVID was definitively created in a lab.
jordan holmes
He was really close to doing it.
dan friesen
And I'm now back to my adventure of listening to this as an Infowars listener.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Is this the story that Alex was talking about earlier?
jordan holmes
Let's find out.
dan friesen
Maybe?
alex jones
You know, I almost started the whole broadcast today just with the insanely over-the-top news on COVID being cooked in a lab, released on purpose.
jordan holmes
It is over-the-top.
alex jones
British government announcing what we already knew.
Depending on who you are politically, you won't be allowed outside.
But if you are...
Deemed politically correct, you'll be allowed to leave your house under future lockdowns.
This is just martial law digital passes.
If you're caught outside without your phone tracking where you go and what you do, you're permanently detained.
I mean, this is martial law, period.
Hell on earth.
dan friesen
So is this the story?
I don't know if this is.
This doesn't seem like the same story, but it did at the beginning of the clip.
I don't know.
I don't know anything.
jordan holmes
Alright.
This is a tacit admission that the Mark of the Beast isn't real.
Because he's even just pointed it out.
If you're outside without your phone, they can track you and find you at any point in time.
That's what he said.
So the Mark of the Beast already happened.
It's your phone.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
So we're done.
We're done with the Mark of the Beast forever.
He's proven it.
The Mark of the Beast has happened.
It happened when the iPod first came out 20 years ago.
dan friesen
Everybody go back to flip phones fast.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So I don't have any better understanding of what that story was.
jordan holmes
What's it about?
dan friesen
Well, I'm confused.
I don't know.
But thankfully, Alex doesn't spend much time on it because he's got to get back to McAfee conspiracies.
jordan holmes
I would like more details on how I'm deemed politically correct enough to go outside.
dan friesen
Well, you got to be woke.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Is there a step-by-step process?
dan friesen
Well, the first thing is you've got to understand that McAfee was murdered.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
We know the head of Homeland Security traveled to Spain and was in Madrid yesterday while McAfee died.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
There's another headline we can put up on screen.
Very interesting that that just so happened to happen.
But we don't know if, quote, Homeland Security killed him.
It could have been the Barcelona police at that federal prison thinking he had billions in Bitcoin or some other cryptocurrency.
But what we do know is his lawyer says no indication of suicide.
He just talked to him days before.
dan friesen
Alex is actually correct that the head of Homeland Security was on an official state visit to Spain at that time, so I guess that...
Kind of fucking proves it.
jordan holmes
Well, he was in Madrid, so naturally he had plenty of time to just sneak down to Barcelona, murder McAfee, and then sneak back up to Madrid.
dan friesen
He was in the same country, therefore he murdered him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
No.
dan friesen
It's well constructed.
I have no response.
jordan holmes
No, a murder happened in Austin, and I am here in Chicago.
We're in the same country.
Yeah, I did it.
dan friesen
As far as McAfee's lawyer goes, this is another classic case of Alex reading a headline and pretending that he's read the article.
There was a Reuters article with the headline, quote, And Alex is assuming that the body of the article must be about how the lawyer is saying that it wasn't.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Suicide.
In reality, his lawyer Javier Villalba was the person who made the initial statement to Reuters.
McAfee's lawyer Javier Villalba said that the antivirus software pioneer died by hanging as his nine months in prison brought him to despair.
This article is just Villalba commenting that he didn't see any signs that this would come to pass.
Villalba and McAfee's widow are pursuing an investigation into the circumstances of his death, but according to an ABC News article about the case, although Villalba said that he had no evidence of any foul play, he blamed the death on the cruelty of the system for keeping a 75-year-old behind bars for economic and not blood-related crimes after judges refused to release him on bail.
So it seems to be that's the approach that he's going with in terms of re-examining.
The death.
And, uh, fine.
I mean, in terms of incarceration, let's take a look at things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I...
dan friesen
Not for McAfee's sake, but for the sake of the larger issue.
And, I mean, I think that America certainly has some issues with that.
This was in Spain.
I'm not entirely sure how the...
jordan holmes
Spanish prison system is?
dan friesen
I don't know enough about it.
jordan holmes
Me neither.
dan friesen
And I don't know what I personally would...
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, and in this situation, it's so unique just because, yes, I know, I don't agree that a 75-year-old should be in a prison for financial crimes.
And at the same time, it's John McAfee.
If you let him out of prison, he's not going to be in your country anymore.
dan friesen
He's going to be on a boat.
jordan holmes
That is how it works.
I'm sorry.
I don't know what to tell you.
There's no solution for John McAfee.
dan friesen
I don't have an ideal circumstance with him.
I just don't.
I understand that there are crimes and there are rules of how those crimes are treated.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
If we want to talk about different ways in which law and punishment works, I'm open to that conversation.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
If John McAfee had gotten out of this Spanish prison because they didn't want to extradite him to the United States and he ended up back on his boat, I don't know if I would think that was the worst thing ever.
He's a crazy old dude on a boat.
Granted, maybe he did kill his neighbor and he presents a danger to people.
Maybe.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I think my immediate reaction to anything about this is just like...
Everybody made their decisions, and I had no input, and I washed my hands of this.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
This specific circumstance is its own circumstance.
dan friesen
Now, if the conversation that the lawyer is bringing up about how financial crimes are dealt with, particularly in the cases of somebody who's 75 years old, maybe there's a conversation to have there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Doesn't need to be because of McAfee.
It should be because of plenty of other cases.
jordan holmes
All of the millions of people who have been fucked over by the prison system.
Yes.
dan friesen
So Alex brings up the tweets.
He wants to go over the evidence.
Really just refresh on the evidence of McAfee.
And this is a really...
jordan holmes
Do you just read the tweet again?
dan friesen
This is a pretty sad display on Alex's part.
alex jones
First, let's remember, he said, I am content here.
I have friends.
The food is good.
All is well.
Know that if I hang myself a la Epstein, it will be no fault of mine.
That's when he was first in that prison in October of 2020.
dan friesen
So this tweet is really the keystone of Alex's argument, and I find it dishonest that Alex doesn't strive to put this statement in its proper context.
For instance, if Alex were an honest actor, just trying to present the truth, he should point out that this tweet, you know, he does say that it's from last October, but he doesn't point out that on April 25th of this year, McAfee also tweeted, quote, I've been imprisoned in Catalonia nearly seven months.
I speak no Catalan and little Spanish, so human contact is limited.
There are no entertainments, no escape from loneliness, from emptiness, from myself.
That tweet alone presents a departure from the mental state he was in when he posted that tweet in October.
Alex would never bring up this other tweet because it calls into question the certain...
of his predetermined conclusion, and selling that conclusion is impossible if the certainty is ever questioned.
It wouldn't survive any kind of scrutiny unless you enter into the act of scrutinizing already decided of the conclusion now.
So, they just...
He's got this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like, hey, eight months ago he tweeted, I'll never kill myself.
Four months ago he tweeted, I live in despair and life is meaningless for me and I don't want to go on.
dan friesen
There's no escape from myself.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
It's like, well, yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex wants to read this more recent tweet and he doesn't come up with what he's saying.
alex jones
But I don't know why it's not my stack.
I guess I lost it.
Just want to go to his Twitter in a moment and go to a thing.
Eight days ago.
No, no, I want to read that.
I want to read what you had on screen.
But I want to go back eight days ago where the most important one is about they may be planning to kill me because that's the last known communication from him is that and then he's cut off.
I've collected files on corruption in government for the first time.
I'm naming names and specifics.
I'll begin with a corrupt CIA agent and two bohemian officials.
Coming today, if I'm arrested or disappear, 31 plus terabytes of incriminating data will be released to the press.
That was June 9, 2019.
So there's a big, big motive for him to die.
dan friesen
So yeah, he's trying to find this tweet from eight days ago that makes his case, and he finds something...
jordan holmes
From 2019.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because the one eight days ago was just like, I liked the new Rick and Morty episode!
dan friesen
Well, I mean, look.
This is so important that Alex, he has to find this tweet.
alex jones
And I'll do it myself because it's my fault.
I had it last night.
Shot a report on it last night.
Had it today.
There was a message from McAfee last week.
And for some reason, all the King's horses and all the King's men cannot pull that up.
So I will find it.
Just go to his Twitter feed.
And I'll come back and I will give you that information.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's his last tweet.
alex jones
You can actually play the video then and see the tweet.
But did they take his Twitter down?
Is his Twitter down?
Is that...
unidentified
It's like a week ago.
alex jones
The final message from him.
And it's just on his Twitter.
Alright, I'm not mad.
jordan holmes
Sounds like you're mad.
alex jones
I gotta take a break.
I gotta go.
I gotta go.
Alright, that's it.
I'm done today.
I'm gonna go ahead and...
jordan holmes
I'm complete.
alex jones
I'm done.
Let's go ahead and go to...
Let's play the Gay Choir Sings About Vaccines.
That's the really important news for everybody.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What is happening?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
What is life?
Is it death?
alex jones
I'm done for the day.
jordan holmes
Am I dead?
dan friesen
Second time in his show this day that he's like, I'm fucking done.
jordan holmes
I swear to God.
dan friesen
I think that's a record.
I don't think I've seen him do this twice in a show.
jordan holmes
I'm really...
dan friesen
It's impressive.
jordan holmes
I'm getting to the point now where I'm fairly convinced that you're Truman showing me.
Like, this whole thing is bullshit.
Alex isn't even real.
And there are cameras on me all the time because this didn't happen.
This is a lie!
dan friesen
It's outrageous.
Like, I'm done.
Twice in the same day is unprecedented.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's bad.
dan friesen
And then, it's almost like a parody of Alex's show for him to be like, alright, I'm leaving.
Play that clip where the gay choir sings about vaccines.
unidentified
I know.
jordan holmes
You can't...
A parody is supposed to be an escalation.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And you can't parody...
I couldn't have thought, let's play the gay choir sings about vaccines.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I can't write that.
dan friesen
That's important news.
jordan holmes
I can't come up with that if I'm writing a satire of this situation.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He won!
dan friesen
He's a...
jordan holmes
He's defeated me.
dan friesen
It's amazing.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, he's transcended beyond parody.
dan friesen
I love that, because this is at the end of the second hour.
jordan holmes
We're only at the end of the second hour?
Oh, God.
dan friesen
So twice in two hours, Alex has had to blow up and threaten to leave air.
And I thought, like, okay, this is the end of the second hour.
I guess we're going to come back in the third hour.
It's just going to be special reports.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, he's gone.
He said he's done for the day.
unidentified
He's back.
dan friesen
He's back.
jordan holmes
Of course he is.
alex jones
All right, folks, we're back live.
jordan holmes
He doesn't even have the courage to quit his show.
alex jones
I did find the tweet I wanted.
I wasn't being clear with them.
I'm kind of OCD at this point.
jordan holmes
Is that what it is?
alex jones
This US believes I have hidden crypto.
I wish I did, but it has dissolved through the many hands of Team McAfee.
Your belief is not required.
The raw remaining assets are all seized.
My friends have evaporated through fear of association.
I have nothing, yet I regret nothing.
dan friesen
That tweet's not proof of anything.
And it doesn't say that McAfee wouldn't commit suicide.
He was just saying that the U.S. thinks he has hidden cryptocurrency, not because they want to kill him for it, but because he was wanted in the United States for financial crimes related to fraud and cryptocurrency and nonpayment of taxes.
jordan holmes
Because all that money is not his.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
His tweet isn't a slam dunk the way Alex was pretending when he did his little wah-wah rant and threatened to go off air, and then he found this, and...
This is, again, it's a pattern of behavior.
This tweet doesn't match what Alex was building it up to be.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He had a lash out almost as a distraction from the reality being presented to his audience that his narrative doesn't match the supporting evidence.
This happens a bunch.
It's basically key jangling.
jordan holmes
No, it's absolutely that.
And it's just so harmful.
It's so harmful.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
I mean, how can you...
Once you're trapped in that and that works, like, what argument could be made?
Like, if you want to, like...
dan friesen
Cooler keys?
jordan holmes
You know, yeah, I mean, kind of.
To a certain extent.
Like, if you want to communicate with somebody, you have to communicate in their language.
And if their language is consumed by this, then the only way you can communicate with them is through this.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Kind of.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's a depressing thought.
Yeah, I mean, you can't have a conversation with somebody who's willing to just be like, ah, these keys were jangling, so I'm going to let whatever information that I was going to talk about go.
dan friesen
I think that humans are susceptible to distraction, and a lot of times we go on autopilot a lot of the time, and we don't engage the critical thinking skills that we do have access to.
When we feel we don't need to.
And I think that a lot of the times the people who fall for stuff like this and fall into these traps and are distracted by these jangling keys are capable of thinking their way out of it and rationalizing and recognizing, oh, this is what he's doing.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
I think it is possible, but generally the stimulus that's required to get them to activate those critical thinking tools.
They just aren't ever engaged.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I think it is possible, and maybe I'm overly optimistic or naive, but I do believe that that is possible.
jordan holmes
I agree wholehearted with you, and my best evidence for your point is that if it weren't possible, they wouldn't spend...
Billions upon billions of dollars making sure these people never engage with that.
dan friesen
And stay ensconced in their information spheres.
jordan holmes
That's the best evidence for your point.
dan friesen
And what I would argue against your point with...
I mean, it's not your point, but your thought.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Is that I think that when you try to jangle other keys, the only thing that ends up happening is you end up just choosing a different...
Yeah, of course.
Like, the Alex keys are jangling, and then the QAnon keys are jangling over here, and you get distracted by those.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
You don't really get distracted towards reality by that methodology, I don't think.
And it's unfortunate.
jordan holmes
Or at least we haven't figured out a way to distract people with reality yet.
dan friesen
I think it's a losing strategy to try to find that.
jordan holmes
It doesn't seem like it's worked.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, for the third hour, Alex interviews a guy from Black Guns Matter, and I don't care.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Their interview was, eh.
I mean, the guy, for the most part, there's just a bunch of standard talking points about guns, but then also, like, he's talking about black gun ownership and, eh, whatever.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Fine.
Yeah.
One last thing that we have to take care of, though, is that I still don't understand that Fauci story.
jordan holmes
Um, no.
dan friesen
As a listener of his show, going in with the information that's provided to me by Alex...
I don't know what the proof is that Fauci created this pandemic.
jordan holmes
No, what you're missing is that the proof is he said Fauci created the pandemic, and then we talk about John McAfee dying all the time.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
So then you just know that Fauci created the pandemic.
dan friesen
And Alex would have gotten to it if he had time.
jordan holmes
He would have loved to, but he was too busy being pissed off about all those clips that didn't say what it was he thought they would.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we have one clip of him.
jordan holmes
He's a great broadcaster.
dan friesen
I think this is the story that he's talking about.
I think.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
U.S. confirms removal of Wuhan virus sequences from database by Fauci and the NIH.
After Communist China requested it, Bloomberg.
Here it is yesterday.
NIH deleted coronavirus sequences at request of Chinese scientists.
dan friesen
If Alex read any of the stories about this, he would know that it's the policy of the NIH database to consider data to be the property of the scientist who submitted it.
They hold the right to withdraw their data if they want to, and that's what happened in this case.
Also, that data is still available online, and the removal of it from the NIH database will probably have zero impact on any investigation into the virus.
This is just like a catchy headline, I guess, that doesn't really...
It sounds like it's a bigger deal than it is, but...
From what I've been able to tell, this is not necessarily a huge deal, and it's covered by outlets like the New York Times.
The story isn't something that's being ignored or anything.
It's interesting.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, once it's on the internet, it's out there.
You can take it off the NIH's website, but there's still fucking way back of it on the NIH's website.
It's there.
dan friesen
And the story in the New York Times is about this scientist who used Google Cloud data and found all of these old things that had been taken down.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And, you know, sure, it's interesting, but I don't think it proves that...
Fauci created the virus.
jordan holmes
So, if I understand correctly, the researcher took down his own research off the NIH website.
dan friesen
He requested it be taken down, yes.
jordan holmes
And that proves that Fauci created the virus.
dan friesen
I mean, I guess.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
As a listener of his show, that's the conclusion that I'm left to.
jordan holmes
That's the only thing I can think of.
dan friesen
This is dumb.
Yeah.
Man, what an episode.
jordan holmes
He just fucking non-stop bangers.
It was like an early Radiohead show.
Just non-stop hits all the time.
dan friesen
Yeah, I got the Benz.
I think, okay, so like most of this episode obviously is McAfee nonsense.
And in terms of evidence that's presented, still just all those tweets.
And then a mysterious conversation that Alex apparently had on the phone with McAfee.
jordan holmes
A 100% real conversation that he definitely had.
dan friesen
And all of the conversation about the tweets are misrepresenting them, moving them around in the timeline in order to make things more suspicious.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
All of this is just total bullshit.
unidentified
And then these blow-ups.
alex jones
Outrageous.
dan friesen
He's having a bad day.
alex jones
He's having a real bad day.
jordan holmes
It's really pathetic.
It really is.
When we get past making fun of it, it's so sad.
dan friesen
It is.
But hey, man.
jordan holmes
What are you gonna do?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's not our fault.
It's not our fault he can't fucking handle his emotional fucking impulses whatsoever.
dan friesen
And honestly, if the conversation that he was having wasn't about how, like, the Pentagon's at war with white Americans and shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one's tough.
dan friesen
Like, if that wasn't the subject matter that he's discussing, it would just be straight-up hilarious.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah.
dan friesen
He is this incompetent and lashes out to such an extreme that when there's a technical difficulty, he yells about how everyone's gonna die.
jordan holmes
Everyone should be.
dan friesen
Maybe we deserve it.
unidentified
Because we aborted babies!
dan friesen
Baby abortions!
And it's so fun to me to be living in 2003 on his show as well, because you get the...
Technical snafus that happened then, and he's just like, eh, who cares?
jordan holmes
Hey, we're a ramshackle outfit trying to make it in a tough world.
dan friesen
Yeah, he doesn't descend into these...
jordan holmes
Everyone's gonna die and I'm fine with it because I couldn't find a tweet.
dan friesen
He seems to be like an emotional Benjamin Button.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's aging backwards.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's definitely regressing back into a child.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Anyway.
I'm excited to get back to the past because I have grown weary of McAfee conspiracies.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
But it was a fun little dip into the present, and we'll check back in and see how things are going down the line.
I wanted to say one thing really quick about the buttons.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
The button situation.
jordan holmes
Is that your new ska band?
dan friesen
Yes, the button situation.
We're two-tone ska.
Skinny suspenders.
jordan holmes
The button situation.
dan friesen
Ooh, not bad.
Ah, there we go.
The email address to send addresses to is kfbusiness, B-I-Z-N-E-S-S, at gmail.com.
jordan holmes
Like you're going to give someone the business.
dan friesen
Right.
If people send requests to other inboxes, I'll try my best.
To make sure everything gets taken care of.
But centralizing the point where things are would be a huge help.
And then the second thing that I wanted to say is this dawned on me when I was thinking about it.
We're not building an email list.
We're not saving your emails.
Not saving your addresses or anything.
jordan holmes
That didn't even occur to me.
dan friesen
Well, I was thinking about Roger Stone's weird website.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I just want to reassure people that we're not saving any information or you're not going to be getting any...
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
You're getting a button and that's it.
jordan holmes
Yes, that is it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm sure that most people listening to the show would never even suspect that.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't suspect it.
dan friesen
Right, right.
But I wanted to reassure people because...
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
I got worried that someone might suspect that.
jordan holmes
That is so funny.
It never even occurred to me.
Despite knowing everyone doing that, it never occurred to me for us to do it.
dan friesen
Well, I started to put myself in the position of being someone who would send emails.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And one of the things that would cross my mind, maybe, is I'm gonna end up getting spam or something.
Yeah, totally.
I assure you, that will not be something that we're...
jordan holmes
No, every time we've done a comedy show and there's been somebody at the door like, give me your email address.
We send out free tickets.
It's like, oh, I fucking know you guys.
I can see through your lies.
dan friesen
Yeah, there is a lot of promotional...
Totally.
...reason to gather those things, and we have no interest in that.
jordan holmes
If we haven't made it abundantly clear by now, we just don't promote.
dan friesen
But we do have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website!
Oh, also tickets for God's Damn Wizard are on sale.
It's on Eventbrite.
dan friesen
You can find the link on Twitter.
jordan holmes
Find it on the Twitter.
Find it on Facebook.
All that stuff.
It's Thursday, July 1st at 9 p.m.
It'll be a great time.
We'll all be there talking and having fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
No autographs.
jordan holmes
No autographs.
Anyways, our website.
dan friesen
No flash photography.
jordan holmes
There will be tons of flash photographers.
It'll be great.
unidentified
Fine.
jordan holmes
And it'll be recorded.
No, our website is knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
Is that knowledgefight?
Did I go to Ben Jordan?
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
If you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX.
Clark, I'm Daryl Rundis.
One time, John McAfee told me on the phone that he was going to eat his own butthole.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
andy in kansas
Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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