#566: May 21, 2003
Today, Dan and Jordan put out a sneaky snake mid-week episode to discuss Alex Jones' much-anticipated review of The Matrix Reloaded.
June 16, 2021 - Knowledge Fight
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight. | |
| I need, I need money. | ||
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
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I love you. | |
| Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| I have a quick question. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today? | ||
| My bright spot today, this is actually a bright spot I'm excited to give or to discuss. | ||
| I was a fan of The Tick growing up. | ||
| Oh, hell yeah! | ||
| The animated cartoon? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Huge fan. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Deflator Mouse, come on, man. | ||
| Chairface Chippendale. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| It doesn't get better than that. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Great. | ||
| Loved it. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| The sensibility of it, the humor, everything about it was just... | ||
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Fantastic. | |
| I loved it as a kid. | ||
| I have always been a little bit hesitant to give other interpretations of The Tick a chance. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I tried watching the newer one. | ||
| Which one? | ||
| The Patrick Warburton one? | ||
| No, the Griffin Newman and Peter Serafinowicz one. | ||
| Yeah, Peter Serafinowicz is great, isn't he? | ||
| It's outstanding. | ||
| It's so good! | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's so good! | ||
| I have a few episodes in, and I'm like, this is exactly what I would have wanted from a live-action version of The Tick. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Spectacular! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's so many little subtle things. | ||
| I would never have guessed that Sarah Finowitz would get the character that good. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| And Griffin Newman's fantastic as Arthur. | ||
| No, no, he's great. | ||
| And I think at least the first episodes are really hinging around him and this sort of backstory of him as a superhero. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And that's exactly the way to tell the story. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| I am so pumped. | ||
| Bummed that I think it's cancelled, right? | ||
| I'm pretty sure it's cancelled, yeah. | ||
| Sucks that there's a limited amount of them, but I'm excited to have something to watch that I really enjoy. | ||
| Yeah, that was one of my favorite things. | ||
| I'll never forget Deflator Mouse just because I saw the cartoon when I was like eight or something, so young, and it was like 20 years later that I was like, oh, that's a reference to a fucking opera? | ||
| Shit! | ||
| What kind of eight-year-old is going to be like, what a great pun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Was the mad bomber who bombs at midnight a pun? | ||
| I do like the mad bomber who bombs at midnight. | ||
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He was a good one. | |
| So what's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot, Dan, is walking. | ||
| Not Christopher. | ||
| No. | ||
| The weather's nice out, and we only live a couple miles away from each other, so I've started walking to do the show. | ||
| It's about a 40 minute walk, which is the perfect length of time to start going back through old albums and actually listen to the full thing. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I've been going through the Ninja Tunes label here recently. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I just got to Lemon Jelly's 64 through 95. And the final track on that is called Go. | ||
| And it is so good because they use William Shatner's sample there. | ||
| And so it's just... | ||
| Like, they finally do something good with William Shatner. | ||
| It's been so long, but they finally did something good with William Shatner around 20 years ago. | ||
| What about those talk albums that he did? | ||
| That's what they're doing. | ||
| They're taking samples from the talk albums. | ||
| But I think that even just those raw are great. | ||
| Oh, you think so? | ||
| Really? | ||
| No, I don't know. | ||
| I actually haven't listened to them. | ||
| I know a lot of people make jokes about it. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's easy to make jokes about it. | ||
| What are you going to say about it? | ||
| It's good. | ||
| That's as good a joke as I have. | ||
| Hey, look, we're going to put this on on a date. | ||
| We're going to lower the lights a little bit and just listen to some Shatner. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yes, what are you doing? | ||
| So, Jordan. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| I'm glad you're enjoying these albums. | ||
| Today, we have an album to discuss. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And that is an episode of Alex's show. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I look at those as albums. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| He's prolific. | ||
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Very. | |
| Yes. | ||
| We're going over May 21st, 2003. | ||
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Blackjack! | |
| No. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| I bet. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| We're going back to the past. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And part of this is because we had a little bit of a sort of a cliffhanger on the last episode. | ||
| Alex was complaining a whole bunch about The Matrix. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And he was saying he was going to go see it. | ||
| Of course. | ||
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And he did not. | |
| And he didn't. | ||
| So we have to satisfy. | ||
| We have to give some sort of closure to this. | ||
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Yeah, of course. | |
| And I will say that Alex has seen The Matrix by this point. | ||
| And we're going to get one of those rare gems. | ||
| Solid movie reviews. | ||
| We're going to get a gem of a movie review out of Alex. | ||
| Okay, I'm excited. | ||
| Yeah, as am I. I'm thrilled to walk you through this. | ||
| But before we do, we've got to take a moment to say hello to some new wonks out there. | ||
| That's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Stephen T., thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a Policy Wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thanks, Steven! | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Next, Lego from St. Paul. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thanks, Lego! | ||
| Next, Ren. | ||
| W-R-E-N. | ||
| Ren N. Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Oh, thank you very much, Ren. | ||
| Yeah, and we got a couple of technocrats. | ||
| First, Celine is coming for those middle-aged mice. | ||
| Gonna have to. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| And Perry from Norway. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Crikey, mate. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| Why are you pimp so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare info war on you. | ||
| Thank y 'all. | ||
| And unfortunately, rest in peace, middle-aged mice. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Apologies. | ||
| Apologies. | ||
| Anybody who's been grandfathered out, so to speak, is gonna be fine. | ||
| If you will. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Giving someone life is giving someone death. | ||
| You could say that life is death. | ||
| I would like to give a happy birthday shout out to Matt. | ||
| Ben got in touch with us on the 17th, coming up this middle of this week. | ||
| I guess it's Thursday. | ||
| It would be Thursday, yeah. | ||
| Can't keep track of days. | ||
| Also, from what I understand, you're going to love this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's Matt's Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy birthday. | ||
| Oh, he's what? | ||
| 32? | ||
| Was that the answer to the universe and everything? | ||
| No, it's 42. Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why did you say 32 first? | ||
| It would just be fun. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I couldn't tell if you were fucking with me. | ||
| No, the question that the universe is trying to answer is, what is 6 times 7? | ||
| But, if anybody got the question and the answer right at the same time, the universe would be destroyed and be replaced by something even weirder. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, anyway, happy birthday, Matt. | ||
| Alex has some kind wishes for you. | ||
| Being born is a condition that leads to death. | ||
| You can say that life is a disease that ends in death. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we're going to be talking about Alex on May 21st. | ||
| And this is a rare instance where I decided, like... | ||
| I have not watched these movies in forever. | ||
| It's been a long time. | ||
| And so I decided I might need to refresh my memory, and I actually watched The Matrix Reloaded as a sort of refresher course, because I was like, what is he talking about? | ||
| Even when it comes to movie reviews, Dan's going to look into it and research things and take down your opinion. | ||
| Well, I was curious. | ||
| I was curious, because I remember enjoying the movie enough. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And look, I have a lot of things. | ||
| I'm going to read some of my notes just sort of raw. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Go over some of my thoughts. | ||
| Are you doing a live tweeting? | ||
| I basically did on a notebook page. | ||
| I'm going to go over a little bit of that, but suffice it to say, not bad. | ||
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Not a bad film. | |
| I enjoyed it. | ||
| I would appreciate more movie reviews that were just very simple. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Couple words. | ||
| I'm sick of these long, like, explanations of the plot and the history of the movie. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And the shot's angle and what that means for interpretation. | ||
| Nah, it's alright. | ||
| It really picked up after the highway scene. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| I'll say that a little bit of it at the beginning was a slog to get through, but... | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| No, everybody wants to watch the dancing scene for at least another six minutes. | ||
| It had some pacing issues. | ||
| But I don't begrudge that too much. | ||
| It wasn't insurmountable in terms of enjoying the movie. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Like I said, I have some thoughts. | ||
| So does Alex. | ||
| Last night I went and saw The Matrix. | ||
| I'm going to give about a five minute review of that. | ||
| I think a transcript of my review should be made. | ||
| I want to give a warning about this film. | ||
| If there was any questions about being from Illuminati origin, those are now answered. | ||
| Put those concerns to bed. | ||
| Is it yes? | ||
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Oh, yes. | |
| Okay. | ||
| It is deeply Illuminati shit. | ||
| Just for the listeners, I need you to know that when Alex said, I'm going to give you about a five-minute review, Dan just went, shook his head no. | ||
| It is not going to be a five-minute review. | ||
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Nor should it be transcribed. | |
| All of that was wrong. | ||
| Yeah, so apparently Alex had seen the first Matrix movie. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he was like, is this Illuminati shit? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And he saw the second one and he's like, yes. | ||
| Definitely Illuminati shit. | ||
| I do like that the concerns have been put to bed. | ||
| Put them to bed. | ||
| Put the concerns to bed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the answer is yes, which is somehow less concerning? | ||
| Well, I mean, it's no longer an open question. | ||
| Now you know that this is just evil. | ||
| I mean, I suppose certainty is a comfort in some ways. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I guess at this point, I would say that if you're convinced that this movie has Illuminati origins, maybe you shouldn't do that whole red pill thing. | ||
| Like, maybe you shouldn't take that metaphor because the Illuminati made that metaphor. | ||
| So, what you're saying is perhaps these stupid thoughts... | ||
| Uh, are bullshit that they're feeling in the moment, and then later on they'll be like, it's actually a great movie, and let's use the metaphor. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Yeah, that sounds about right. | |
| I get the sense of that. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds about right. | ||
| Um, so there's a lot of people who shouldn't see this movie. | ||
| Humans. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But if you're gonna see it, whatever. | ||
| Just don't show it to kids. | ||
| I would not let my children watch the film, and, uh, if you want to see it yourself to see the face of the New World Order, go ahead. | ||
| But, uh, it, uh... | ||
| Very, very dark and very evil is all I can really say about Matrix Reloaded, but I'm gonna go over some of it here on the show. | ||
| He does. | ||
| He does go over a little bit of it. | ||
| I will say that from... | ||
| I listened to Alex's review first, got confused, and then I watched the movie. | ||
| I'm like, boy, there's a lot he doesn't cover. | ||
| You would not have a very good sense of the movie. | ||
| It's a big movie. | ||
| It's a big movie. | ||
| Yeah, there might be too much in it. | ||
| But, you know, he starts off his conversation about The Matrix by talking about the first movie. | ||
| And I don't know if I agree with his premise. | ||
| The first Matrix was obviously New Age in its overall presentation. | ||
| That you've got to believe in yourself and then you can change the parameters of reality from within. | ||
| I take issue with that. | ||
| I mean, like, maybe there is some new-ageyness to it, certainly. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| But I don't think that it's about, like... | ||
| Believe in yourself and you can change the parameters of reality. | ||
| I am fairly certain that most everybody in that movie who also believed in themselves right next to Neo was immediately murdered within the first 45 minutes. | ||
| Yeah, Neo didn't have the ability to change things because he believed in himself. | ||
| He had the ability to change things because he was created and born inside the Matrix. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I understand maybe that you're trying to say that we're all the chosen one, but that's not what the movie is trying to say. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| If you're going to bring that to the film, that's on you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| And for fuck's sakes, in one movie later after this one, Neo is literally in a Christ-like position to show you that he's making the sacrifice. | ||
| Spoilers. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
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Apologies. | |
| Apologies. | ||
| I'm gonna have to get to that a couple years from now once Alex gives a movie review. | ||
| Once Alex freaks out about that. | ||
| Now you gotta go hunting for when Revolutions was released. | ||
| Oh god, I can't wait. | ||
| Yeah, I think his interpretation of the first movie is a little bit flawed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Based on everything about the first movie. | ||
| Yes, and the watching of it. | ||
| But he watched the first film, and like I said, he was confused. | ||
| He's like, is this Illuminati? | ||
| How do you get confused? | ||
| Well, because you don't know if it's Illuminati or not. | ||
| Maybe the Wachowskis are putting out something that is heroic. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And anti-Illuminati. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Or maybe it's Illuminati. | ||
| And so I was ambiguous. | ||
| I'm certainly a Christian and didn't follow the New Age Hindu or Buddhist line, but I was still overall not sure if the film was a production of The Globalist. | ||
| What? | ||
| Well, now I am sure that The Matrix 1 and The Matrix 2, Matrix Reloaded, are... | ||
| In the most pure sense, Illuminati productions. | ||
| So I was pretty excited to hear about, like, why. | ||
| Yeah, in the most pure sense. | ||
| What sealed the deal? | ||
| What was it about this film that was like, eh, nah, dead to rights, this is globalists. | ||
| I need to know. | ||
| I mean, did you just watch the credits and the executive producers were the Illuminati? | ||
| Sorrows. | ||
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Exactly, like, is that what we're dealing with? | |
| I was not prepared for how this review would get going. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I was like, okay, he's going to misinterpret something. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I couldn't have possibly imagined that this was the start of it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's outrageous. | ||
| The film begins, obviously, with a group of trailers. | ||
| And there is a widescreen shot that has been squeezed down and distorted. | ||
| As an authority figure type man in black sits behind a table with flickering subliminals being splashed on the screen talking about PowerAid. | ||
| Alex is mad about a PowerAid commercial. | ||
| I am no... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I was out. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| When he said, before we even get to the movie, we gotta deal with the trailers. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| I don't even... | ||
| Why would the Illuminati count trailers? | ||
| This isn't even a trailer. | ||
| This is a commercial for Powerade. | ||
| It's a commercial for Powerade! | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I thought he was misinterpreting a fucking commercial for Men in Black 2 or something. | ||
| Like, Rip Torn is sitting behind a desk. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| We'll get into it, but he's really mad about this commercial. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| It's a Powerade! | ||
| He talks down to you and says you're not even gonna understand what I'm saying to you. | ||
| You pathetic, mindless, hive mind of units. | ||
| You are units that power the matrix. | ||
| Drink your power aid. | ||
| Do as you are ordered to do. | ||
| So that's how the film begins. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| It's a commercial. | ||
| It's not how the film begins. | ||
| It's really not how the film begins. | ||
| If you watch it, like now, if you were to stream it, it doesn't start with the Powerade commercial. | ||
| The Powerade commercial isn't there. | ||
| No. | ||
| So this wasn't an authority figure in the commercial. | ||
| It was one of the agents from the movie. | ||
| There weren't subliminal flickering lights. | ||
| The commercial was just set in the interrogation room where they took Neo in the first movie. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Some of the stuff that Alex is saying is from the commercial, but some is also his own embellishment. | ||
| It's obviously just a way to, like, sell Powerade using a character from the movie. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I spent a lot of time thinking about it, and honestly, this is the only way you could do a commercial like this with a tie-in to the Matrix. | ||
| Like, if you use any of the main characters, it's gonna really seem goofy as shit. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I think it'd be great. | ||
| They're perfect for this because they don't have a personality except for Agent Smith. | ||
| So they're essentially just blank slates. | ||
| One of them selling Powerade doesn't negatively affect your impression of the agents because it can't. | ||
| They aren't individuals. | ||
| So it's fine. | ||
| That said, I went and watched this commercial. | ||
| And there is a canon problem with the commercial. | ||
| I'm going to play a little clip here from that commercial and then we'll discuss the issue. | ||
| I love this show. | ||
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Consider this. | |
| The active human body can generate up to 12,000 BTUs of body heat. | ||
| Pure, precious, life-giving energy. | ||
| It is unfortunate your collective puny little minds couldn't figure out a way to harness this energy. | ||
| Put it to good use somehow. | ||
| But that's beside the point. | ||
| The point is to keep generating all that energy. | ||
| Your body needs to be replenished. | ||
| So... | ||
| Drink your Powerade. | ||
| We have quotas to meet. | ||
| So that's obviously supposed to be like deadpan comedy. | ||
| The problem is that this agent is trying to sell Powerade to people who are inside the Matrix. | ||
| Activities inside the Matrix shouldn't affect the amount of energy that gets produced by the person's physical body outside of the Matrix. | ||
| People's actual bodies are in pods. | ||
| They have no need for Powerade. | ||
| There's tubes and stuff going into it. | ||
| I do believe that they are suspended in goo of some sort. | ||
| You wouldn't even be able to get that Powerade to their mouths. | ||
| Is it Powerade that they're suspended? | ||
| It might be. | ||
| That could be true. | ||
| If so, this commercial is underselling. | ||
| If you don't have Powerade, you will die. | ||
| Given what we know about the machines in the movies, if physical activity in the Matrix translated to greater energy production in the real world, then everyone in the Matrix would be suspiciously into exercise and fitness. | ||
| If you have like 7 billion batteries and you could boost their productivity by 30% if their avatar in the Matrix works out, that's an amount of energy production that would not be ignored by machines. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Generally, they are well known for efficiency. | ||
| They keep humans... | ||
| Anything is on the table. | ||
| I do like the idea that there's somebody somewhere like, man, nobody is using these gym memberships. | ||
| Nobody. | ||
| This is unreal. | ||
| This is unreal. | ||
| Anyway, bottom line here is that this commercial is just kind of dumb. | ||
| It's kind of just a fun Powerade commercial that played before the movie. | ||
| It's not part of the film and it's not meant to shame people for being dumb. | ||
| Like, there's an AI version of ERCOT that's like, sorry guys, nobody's working out so you can't turn your AC on this week. | ||
| Like, come on, man. | ||
| Yeah, I like though that Alex is sitting there in the theater watching this Powerade commercial and he's like, I am personally insulted by this character talking down to me. | ||
| That's all you need. | ||
| I have been shamed by this Powerade commercial. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You just can't find a single moment not to be mad about. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| If you can get mad about a Powerade commercial, why even bother with the movie? | ||
| You're already done. | ||
| Yeah, what's it like? | ||
| What's it like? | ||
| What's it like? | ||
| How do you take in any media if you're shamed by a Powerade? | ||
| Powerade! | ||
| So, the actual movie starts. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And here's where Alex is at. | ||
| Then it launches into the world of the Matrix. | ||
| That is the real physical world of the underground base of Zion. | ||
| Yes, Zion. | ||
| Get it? | ||
| And you have the marauding forces that surface. | ||
| To the wrecked cities above and transmit the minds or the souls in a type of digital astral projection into the machine world or the matrix. | ||
| And you're told that both of these are reality because perception is reality. | ||
| If there's one thing that I took away from the message of the Matrix movies, even before I went and rewatched it, it's kind of the opposite of perception as reality. | ||
| Yeah, basically what you perceive is not real. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
| It felt like the point of the movie is that some things that feel like reality might not be, but there is a definite reality which is worth fighting for. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If perception was truly reality, then it wouldn't matter if Neo ever perceived the Matrix to be the actual world or an illusion. | ||
| If he accepted the matrix as reality, then it would actually be that the movies do actually deal with this quite eloquently. | ||
| Perception can shape reality to an extent. | ||
| Like if you're in the matrix and you want that to be a reality, it's possible to live your entire life in that state and not run into any problems. | ||
| Joey pants, his character in the first movie, he wants to be reinserted into the matrix and not be aware of the fight against the robots because it's more comfortable to him. | ||
| And it's implied that that's something that can. | ||
| be done. | ||
| His subjective experience and perception can create his subjective reality. | ||
| But that isn't real. | ||
| The movie is very clear that there's an entirely different actual reality that exists regardless of your subjective beliefs about reality. | ||
| Nothing you do in the Matrix affects that fact as what is reality. | ||
| Robots have turned humans into batteries and shit. | ||
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In the first movie the first thing he does is show you the The real! | |
| Not the desert of the we perceive this to be dark. | ||
| It's really interesting to me that this is where Alex is at because he's getting caught up in a pretty elementary philosophical question about perception and reality that the Wachowskis movie actually goes one step beyond in terms of even just the starting point is past this. | ||
| I think that's what we're really dealing with here. | ||
| It's like when you're watching... | ||
| It sounds like he's explaining the movie to my grandma. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Just like... | ||
| Things that aren't really part of the movie, but she's going to like it a lot more than if you tell her, like, there's a car chase. | ||
| You know, like, that's not what's going to work for her. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So Trinity jumps on a motorcycle. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Wearing black spandex. | ||
| It looks great. | ||
| So Zion, he takes issue with, like, weird things, specifically about, like, naming conventions. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But when I went back and I watched it, I was like, it's interesting that he doesn't... | ||
| Take issue with everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everything has a fucking name that means something. | ||
| It's kind of a reference to everything. | ||
| Yeah, and so Zion stuck out in his head, and then here's another one. | ||
| And the whole film is basically Illuminati characters, dark Masonic overtones, with a dark occult leader, and he says that we are the occult, we're the vampires, we're the werewolves, we're the demons. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| Telling them that, and of course he's called the Merovingian or the Merovingian bloodline, which is what the Satanists based in France believe that they are descendants of Jesus and he's brothers with Satan. | ||
| This is deep occult Illuminati stuff. | ||
| So Alex takes issue with the Merovingian. | ||
| He's not a good guy. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We all recognize that he's bad. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's why he's got that name. | ||
| Yeah, and he's not even, like, high-end villain. | ||
| He's an antagonist of this. | ||
| He's a middle manager. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He is the mini-boss of this side quest. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| They have to go get the key maker or what have you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I guess it's, you know, Zion and Mirovingian. | ||
| You can take some issue with those. | ||
| But what about, like, Nebuchadnezzar is the name of their ship? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| What about Trinity? | ||
| Nah, don't worry about it. | ||
| No, don't worry about it. | ||
| No. | ||
| Morpheus? | ||
| Absolutely no reference there, Dan. | ||
| It's interesting the selective sort of outrage. | ||
| Or selective, like, pointing this out as something that means something without incorporating all of the things into it. | ||
| It's pick and choose. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| If you name something Zion in a piece of popular culture, someone's going to be pissed. | ||
| And it's usually going to be hard-right Christians. | ||
| It's going to be Alex in 2003. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yes, that's going to happen. | ||
| But if you're mad about that, you can't let that get in the way of being mad about all the other religious references in the movie, you know? | ||
| That's the problem here. | ||
| He needs to be a more holistic hater. | ||
| Yeah, so the movie, it's evil. | ||
| That's, I mean, really the bottom line. | ||
| And again, I'm just telling you about small tidbits of this. | ||
| I've got to go back and take notes, which I will do. | ||
| This is a... | ||
| I've never seen a more powerful, overtly soul-twisting mind-control film. | ||
| There is lesbian and homosexual scenes in the film. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| The fucking Illuminati are back at it, Dan. | ||
| Why is that the first thing that he brings up after saying that it's mind-twisting and evil? | ||
| Because I... | ||
| Urges! | ||
| It's very weird to me. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| Even for Alex, that's weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's homosexual and lesbian scenes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| 2003 was different, though. | ||
| Like, you know, that was before gay people were even allowed to marry. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| So I think there was a lot more open and vicious... | ||
| Well, I mean, now there's so much open and vicious hatred. | ||
| Man, the world sucks. | ||
| Bummer. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, look, this is all just trying to make implants fashionable, right? | ||
| Body mods. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Jacks in the back of your head. | ||
| Yeah, and living in the future now, that's been borne out. | ||
| Oh, yeah, we all have jacks in the back of our head. | ||
| We all have jacks in the back of our head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There also is, everyone has chip implants and chip plug-ins, and this is a good thing. | ||
| They have a little speech in there where... | ||
| The machines aren't bad. | ||
| We can fight them with all of this. | ||
| So it's making it a new fashion statement. | ||
| Probably one of the strongest cultural movements we've seen in history, in modern history, is the Matrix. | ||
| The video games and the cartoons now and the bunch of spin-off cartoons for the big screen and DVD. | ||
| There was one. | ||
| Again, are conditioning the children that it's normal to have plug-ins into your mind, wire heads, as they were called decades ago. | ||
| It is fashionable to have implant points all over your body. | ||
| Okay, so Matrix was popular, right? | ||
| And Alex is trying to make this argument that they're trying to condition you to get jacks on the back of your head to plug into computers or something. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But, like, if your argument is just that it's popular and there's, like, spin-off properties, like, what about the Ninja Turtles? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Like, they were huge. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What about that? | ||
| What were the globalists trying to mainline... | ||
| Were they trying to turn us all into people who go into goo? | ||
| Well, I know that I had, and this I remember specifically, I had a Raphael action figure, and what you would do is you would push Raphael's head down, and it would attach to a spring, and then you'd click it, and the head would pop out like he was headbutting you. | ||
| And from that, I learned that the Illuminati want me to headbutt the shit out of people. | ||
| Wait a second. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Raphael was a Ninja Turtle. | ||
| True. | ||
| What weapon does Neo grab when he's fighting the Merovingians goons in that staircase? | ||
| Was it size? | ||
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He does. | |
| He does? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Neo is Raphael. | ||
| This has blown the whole thing wide open for me. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Perception is reality, man. | ||
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Wait, wait, wait. | |
| Ninja Turtles were preparing us for the Matrix, which is preparing us to take... | ||
| Jack's in the back of our head. | ||
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Right. | |
| I mean, wasn't it a point of pride in the movie, though? | ||
| How many people were born naturally who didn't have the jacks and were, like, happy about it? | ||
| I'm pretty sure that that was a... | ||
| I believe so. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, the scene that Alex is talking about, like, with the machines are good or whatever, it's just that scene where the dude takes Neo down to the engineering level in Zion, and he's like, well, you know, machines suck, but also... | ||
| We gotta use them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We wouldn't be able to breathe down here. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So it's like a win some, lose some situation. | ||
| Yeah, it was a little heavy-handed in terms of the dialogue. | ||
| But, you know, whatever. | ||
| I guess if Alex wants to take that as... | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| Whenever the old guy pulls him aside and they're standing on the ledge with all the apartments behind him and no one can see them or whatever. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| It's in the middle of the night and Neo wakes up. | ||
| The thing I loved about that scene is like, this... | ||
| Fucking apartment complex, if you want to call it that, is gigantic. | ||
| Huge! | ||
| That dude, the counselor or whatever, had to have been waiting forever on the off chance that Neo would walk out of his little apartment so he could walk up and be like, do you need some coffee? | ||
| Hey, you want to hang out? | ||
| I would have loved for the, like, a scene of the movie just to be here and be like, ah, God. | ||
| He doesn't even have, like, a cell phone to, like, play a game on or something. | ||
| He's just sitting there twiddling his thumbs. | ||
| He's got the Neo-futuristic version of Angry Birds and he's just throwing plushies off the edge. | ||
| Shit, I hope Neo has a bad dream and wakes up. | ||
| He comes out here. | ||
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Just gonna wait. | |
| Gotta make this look like I'm randomly passing by. | ||
| He's hiding around the corner just like, oh, when he opens the door! | ||
| So, you know, the big set piece at the end of the movie is Neo meets with the architect who created all the previous Matrixes and explains to Neo that he is like an aberration in the Matrix. | ||
| He's supposed to go to the source and then everything will reboot. | ||
| Reset all over again. | ||
| It was built into the code, etc., etc. | ||
| Yeah, so Alex talks about that a little bit. | ||
| And the architect, this old man, Sigmund Freud, Obi-Wan Kenobi archetype. | ||
| No. | ||
| To both. | ||
| Sits there and tells Neo that they have allowed people to leave the Matrix. | ||
| That they discovered that suppressing an exodus from the Matrix... | ||
| Actually causes a shutdown and a degradation of the 99% that remain inside their exalutal tanks. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| As human batteries for the power grid. | ||
| Surprised he understood. | ||
| And again, you find out that basically the computers are disembodied spirits, are angels, are devils. | ||
| No. | ||
| And have all the same carnal desires as humans, but with an added viciousness like Greek gods. | ||
| So it is an Illuminati film through and through. | ||
| They tell you we are the Illuminati. | ||
| God. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That clip was fascinating to me because he is kind of getting it, but he also doesn't seem to understand that it's a piece of fiction. | ||
| No. | ||
| And then second, he doesn't get that the characters... | ||
| In the Matrix that Neo runs into are supposed to be programs. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He doesn't get the idea that these are programs in a computer. | ||
| No. | ||
| They explicitly say things that are like, oh, that's what you are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like the guy who fights Neo before he goes to talk to the Oracle is like... | ||
| He's basically like a password screen. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| To authenticate. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Whenever they go through all those doors, it's the back door in a program. | ||
| They talk about this pretty explicitly. | ||
| Almost constantly. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| To the point where you're like, wait, when is he going to fight Microsoft Word? | ||
| Yeah, they aren't Greek gods or anything. | ||
| Yeah, he's going to fight Clippy. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| When is this going to show up? | ||
| Agent Smith absorbs Clippy. | ||
| You're trying to destroy the Matrix. | ||
| Would you like some help with that? | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Yeah, I don't understand. | ||
| I don't understand how you can, like, get half of it, I guess, and not the bigger picture. | ||
| Yeah, the Oracle herself, itself, is a program and not a person or an actual Oracle at Delphi. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I have now my notes from The Matrix Reloaded. | ||
| They're getting intense. | ||
| You remember the movie, right? | ||
| I do appreciate that your handwriting is much larger than mine. | ||
| That was just sort of so I could scribble. | ||
| Ah, I see. | ||
| So I could watch it and also haphazardly take notes. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| So here, I'm just going to read the notes as they appear on the page. | ||
| Michael from Lost! | ||
| Exclamation point. | ||
| True. | ||
| I forgot that Michael from Lost was in this. | ||
| He's one of the main characters. | ||
| He is one of the main characters, yes. | ||
| He's like one of the four people in Nebuchadnezzar. | ||
| And he's great. | ||
| Yeah, he is. | ||
| He's really great. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
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He's fantastic. | |
| He's really good in the role, too. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I don't want him to get hurt. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Oh, this is just a little note. | ||
| One of the fun things about The Matrix is how important non-neo characters are. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| You know, it is like he's the chosen one in all this, but none of it would be possible, like, what he's doing, if it weren't for other things that, like, Morpheus is doing or Niobe is doing. | ||
| Like, everyone else has, like... | ||
| Parts that they need to play in order for him to be able to live up to his oneness. | ||
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Totally. | |
| Or whatever. | ||
| I think that's great. | ||
| It is absolutely no coincidence either that all of those characters are from a diverse set of backgrounds with a bunch of different possibilities within that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| My next note. | ||
| Roy Jones Jr. | ||
| I forgot that Roy Jones Jr. was in this movie. | ||
| I also forgot that Roy Jones Jr. was in that movie. | ||
| You almost forgot! | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Yeah, one of the great albums, one of the great rap albums. | ||
| Round one, the album. | ||
| Roy Jones Jr. | ||
| Weird. | ||
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Weird. | |
| Who want to get knocked out? | ||
| Who want to fight Roy Jones? | ||
| Who want to be next? | ||
| Now that I think about it, that is weird. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There's that scene where there's two... | ||
| This is just a stupid note. | ||
| There's a scene where Agent Smith turns another person into an Agent Smith and they just stare at each other. | ||
| Yeah, they do the staring thing. | ||
| I just wrote, two Agent Smiths should kiss. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| They had to have at some point, right? | ||
| It felt like they were going to. | ||
| They had to have. | ||
| All right. | ||
| What would you do if you met you, Dan? | ||
| I probably wouldn't. | ||
| I think you'd fall in love. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I'd probably try and beat myself up. | ||
| So I thought that it was a little bit tacky that the beef between Morpheus and the commander was about Niobe, was about a woman. | ||
| Like, I thought that was a little bit easy. | ||
| Yeah, especially when we're dealing with... | ||
| On the other hand, there's part of me that thinks it's a good character choice because despite the fact that we're dealing with such an end-of-the-world-level threat, of course people are still going to have those dumb... | ||
| Little personal beefs. | ||
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You know what I'm saying? | |
| I get that. | ||
| It's a little bit convenient and a little simple. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I fucking love Harry Lennox. | ||
| Dude who plays the commander. | ||
| He is great. | ||
| He is really, really good. | ||
| He is, oh man. | ||
| What a fucking hard ass for no reason half the time. | ||
| But also, this is my next note. | ||
| He's not wrong to doubt Morpheus. | ||
| No, no, no, agree. | ||
| He's totally rational. | ||
| Morpheus is out of pocket. | ||
| He's doing all kinds of shit. | ||
| He's ignoring the chain of command. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Fully understand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The other thing, too, that I was thinking about is, like, you know, you forget. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| If you haven't seen these movies in a while, you kind of forget that everybody hates Neo and Morpheus, basically. | ||
| They're not the heroes to the powers that be in the human world of Zion. | ||
| Like, they are not... | ||
| Like you said, they're out of pocket. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And you forget that. | ||
| They're basically populist leaders. | ||
| Alex should love this. | ||
| Yeah, to a certain interpretation, too. | ||
| You can view that as like... | ||
| It is a positive thing that these people will just completely ignore orders and completely ignore the current power structure in order to fight what they believe is true and correct. | ||
| But also, what if they were wrong? | ||
| They've just killed all of humanity. | ||
| So there's that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Next note, I love a cave, but Zion sucks. | ||
| I do love a cave. | ||
| I just didn't care for the aesthetic of Zion. | ||
| I will tell you about the cave. | ||
| I watched that movie with my best friend and his dad, because I can't remember how old we were at the time, but it wasn't cool for us to go, because my parents heard that there was a tit. | ||
| In the dance scene? | ||
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Oh no. | |
| In the cave? | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| Oh there was a tit my friend. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh no joke. | ||
| Could you have spotted it unless somebody told you way in advance that you could see a tit? | ||
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I certainly didn't. | |
| There's a lot of people out there. | ||
| There's tons of people but that was enough for my family to be like hey there might be a tit. | ||
| And not being able to see that leads me to my next note and that is this cave is way too big. | ||
| That was a giant cave. | ||
| Everyone's having their moment, their tribal beats and their rave. | ||
| It's too big. | ||
| The acoustics were great in that cave, though. | ||
| It's too big. | ||
| It's ridiculously big. | ||
| Next note, Fishburne. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| I don't think he was carrying his weight. | ||
| I think the first movie he did so much that in this one he was allowed to just kind of be in the background. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I was just not that into him. | ||
| So, next note. | ||
| Is Neo a virgin? | ||
| Like, when he and Trinity are hooking up. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Is that his first time? | ||
| I mean, in the real world, it has to be, doesn't it? | ||
| I would think so. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
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What? | |
| Not very, but a little bit interesting. | ||
| What kind of dick prowess could you have if you've only done it in the imaginary world? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, maybe... | ||
| Hey, if you come in the Matrix, you come in real life. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| If you die in the Matrix, then yeah. | ||
| So everybody's goo is gross as shit. | ||
| Next note, Keanu is not enough of a blank slate. | ||
| Like, when he was sitting there talking to the Oracle, I was like, he's supposed to be like a blank slate. | ||
| That's kind of... | ||
| He has too much agency for the role that he's in, I think. | ||
| Okay, alright. | ||
| I might be wrong, but... | ||
| Yeah, I think we could... | ||
| I would need to watch the movie again, and then we could really get into it. | ||
| I got a little bit bored because it drives a little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this note is, this movie is just a video game. | ||
| Everything is a fetch quest. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good point. | ||
| It's just constantly over and over again. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, oh, you have to go get the key maker. | ||
| Oh, the key maker takes you to a door. | ||
| Like, just over and over again. | ||
| You have to go to A. Oh, and then once you get there, oh no, you gotta go to B. Oh no, you gotta go to C. It's a little bit clunky, but like I said, once they get to the highway chase scene, things pick up. | ||
| Business picks up. | ||
| And you forget a little bit of they're just going around doing a quest. | ||
| You get absorbed in it a little bit more. | ||
| But at the beginning, it was a drag. | ||
| Later on, it's borderline a heist film in that way of A problem arises, we have to go somewhere and get the, you know, like Ocean's Eleven, we gotta go get the EMP from some other place because ours broke or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like that kind of thing. | ||
| Next note, Hugo Weaving is a monster. | ||
| He's killing it. | ||
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He's good. | |
| He is good. | ||
| He's good at acting. | ||
| He's good at Agent Smith. | ||
| I don't know about my boy's Elrond. | ||
| I have a different interpretation of the Elrond, but that's fine. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| I'm talking about just in this. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Also, I didn't really have as much of a memory of who the bad guy is. | ||
| Like, obviously in the first movie, the bad guy is the Matrix. | ||
| It's the Matrix. | ||
| And I kind of thought that was true in the second movie, too. | ||
| And then Agent Smith becomes the villain in the third one. | ||
| I didn't realize that it was really clear early. | ||
| In the second movie, it's Agent Smith. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| The Matrix and the machines are no longer really, like, they're an impediment, maybe. | ||
| They're a hassle. | ||
| But the bad guy is clearly Agent Smith. | ||
| Yeah, it's a virus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, this is just a little bit of a nitpick thing. | ||
| Neo stops bullets. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why is he ever punched? | ||
| Sometimes you get punched. | ||
| He has telekinesis. | ||
| I don't understand why nobody threw a bottle of Powerade at him that he can also stop with his Matrix powers. | ||
| That seems to make the most sense to me. | ||
| And then, while he's stopping the Powerade, he could scold Alex. | ||
| This will give you power! | ||
| I thought the CGI fight scenes looked amazing for being made in 2003. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| They hold up. | ||
| Sometimes a little bit of it's a little bit cartoony. | ||
| You can tell it's digital, but considering that this is 18 years old or whatever, it's amazing. | ||
| There was a point in the Agent Smith fight where you so clearly see it go from people trying to actually do choreography to complete CGI stuff where you're like, okay, well this might be a little bit on the Uncanny Valley, but... | ||
| But it's not like... | ||
| It wasn't so much that that it took me out of the experience of watching the fight scene or whatever. | ||
| Like, you get like, oh yeah, that's digital or whatever, but it's not distracting. | ||
| And it's a cool fight scene. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Next note, everyone is right. | ||
| All of the humans are right. | ||
| Morality is complicated. | ||
| Everyone disagrees and everyone is right. | ||
| I thought that was a little bit weird. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I like that a lot. | ||
| I like that everybody's right, but everybody is also disagreeing about it. | ||
| Yeah, it's complicated. | ||
| Maybe they have a cross-purposes, kind of. | ||
| Maybe you have the same goal, and the way that you think you're going to get to that goal is correct. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it might be sort of contradictory. | ||
| Next note. | ||
| Two exclamation points on this one. | ||
| No, you haven't used two exclamation points for three years. | ||
| Correction. | ||
| Three exclamation points. | ||
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Oh shit! | |
| This is unprecedented! | ||
| Cornel West. | ||
| Wait, Cornel West is in there? | ||
| I forgot that he plays one of the members of the tribunal. | ||
| He does not. | ||
| It's Cornel West? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| I was like, that can't be Cornel West. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's Cornel West. | ||
| That I feel like I should have remembered. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Although probably the first time I saw it, I had no idea who Cornel West was. | ||
| Why would I be a 12-year-old that's like a huge Cornel West guy? | ||
| Yeah, it's possible that you just had no idea, but it's outrageous. | ||
| He's one of the people who's on the board or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Whenever they're talking about sending two more captains to help out. | ||
| The old guy who talks to... | ||
| And then there's the old lady, and then it's Cornel West. | ||
| There's a couple other people, but yeah, those are the three that have speaking roles. | ||
| Bananas. | ||
| So this is from the Merovingian scene. | ||
| I forgot that that woman orgasmed from eating the cake that he sent her. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That was tacky. | ||
| That was really weird, because the only thing that you can think of while that's going on is somebody right next to her going, I'll have what she's having. | ||
| Like, that's literally what's happening. | ||
| And the way that the Matrix code goes in between her legs and then there's an explosion, I was like, this... | ||
| I would have taken another pass at this. | ||
| This is totally not in line with the rest of this movie. | ||
| Also, does the code in your genitals give you an orgasm? | ||
| It's an explosion. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So, the Merovingian's wife, Monica Bellucci, I just thought this was really funny. | ||
| This computer program really wants to get kissed. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| It does seem like that. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| I was watching them go in and out of doors, and it made me think of the Adjustment Bureau. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I have nothing else to add to that. | ||
| I just thought of the Adjustment Bureau. | ||
| All right. | ||
| They wear the hats. | ||
| They do wear the hats, I recall. | ||
| I liked the twins. | ||
| I liked the twins. | ||
| The dreadlocked albino twins. | ||
| This is aggressive. | ||
| I don't know why you're pointing at me. | ||
| Because I remember not liking them the first time I saw the movie. | ||
| Oh, okay, okay. | ||
| I remember thinking it was a little bit dumb or whatever. | ||
| But their powers are really well-defined and well-done in the movie. | ||
| They can choose when to have physical form, essentially. | ||
| So they can be in danger from a knife or a gun or whatever. | ||
| Like the way they go in and out of cars. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's very fun. | ||
| It's imaginative. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And the only thing I didn't like is that they apparently die in an explosion. | ||
| They could have just gone non-corporeal. | ||
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They could have just gone non-corporeal at any time. | |
| Also, Neo should just have told Trinity that he saw her death in the Matrix. | ||
| Would have really cut down on time. | ||
| It certainly would have been more... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Because they have a... | ||
| They have what's presented as a good relationship. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They seem to really care about each other. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| And it does not make sense that he wouldn't trust her with that kind of information. | ||
| They're in a post-apocalyptic hellscape world. | ||
| Let's be on the level with each other. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Honesty is the best policy whenever everything is collapsed. | ||
| Three exclamation points again. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Stakes! | ||
| So the movie has clear stakes. | ||
| Oh, okay, okay. | ||
| Everything is very clearly... | ||
| I immediately flashback to the Joey Pants situation. | ||
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Oh, no, no. | |
| That was the first movie. | ||
| Wait, are there more steak-eating scenes? | ||
| No, I think that the steaks were a lot clearer than I expected them to be. | ||
| Yes, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Things made a lot of sense. | ||
| And then the last thing that I... | ||
| Last note was from the architect scene. | ||
| You know, so he says that you can go to the source and then you choose people to repopulate Zion like we've done the last five times. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Who was the last one who did that and created this Zion? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Who was that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I know. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| You're telling me, I mean, was it the exact same Neo? | ||
| It can't be the same Neo because later on we find out he made a different choice. | ||
| Or is it the same Neo who's learned from his previous choices? | ||
| I don't know, but it's a turncoat. | ||
| Whoever the last one was is not a good character. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that is that kind of really dangerous choice of, theoretically, He could just wind up wiping out the human race entirely. | ||
| And I don't know why we're using a gender pronoun for this. | ||
| Could be anybody. | ||
| But, you know, the person is faced with the choice of, like, is everybody going to die or am I going to reboot this perhaps infinitely? | ||
| But if I reboot it, at least we got another go. | ||
| So there's that moral quandary there. | ||
| I hated the architect because... | ||
| Too Freudian? | ||
| No. | ||
| Too Obi-Wan Kenobi? | ||
| No, I mean, you can't replace big words for actually making sense. | ||
| So there's a lot of that where I'm like, you're just using that word because you know people aren't going to look up the definition later. | ||
| I feel like it made enough sense to like... | ||
| It's serviceable. | ||
| No, contextually, you get it. | ||
| But from a fine, granular kind of, if I'm combing through the script, I'm crossing out $5 words left and right. | ||
| Yeah, that might be a good note. | ||
| But also, I did enjoy how obviously the movie is building towards a climax of something you think is going to maybe be action-oriented. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then Neo walks through the door and it's just an old dude sitting there. | ||
| That is fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is fun. | ||
| There's some subversion of tropes there. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| My review overall, not bad. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You know, I don't like movies that much, but I enjoyed at least half of it. | ||
| Like, I think it was really slow starting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, when they're in Zion and all that, it was tough to get through. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was like, I'm going to turn this off. | ||
| Like, 15 minutes in, I was like, I can't sit here and watch this. | ||
| But I pushed through, and I enjoyed it once it got cooking. | ||
| Yeah, I recall there being a lot of vitriol towards Reloaded. | ||
| And then even more towards Revolution. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think that also might be because we were coming off the back of The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones at the same time, so everybody's just furious at every movie. | ||
| And I think that The First Matrix is almost an impossible challenge to follow up. | ||
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Totally. | |
| I think that was something that caught on so huge. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And blew minds. | ||
| Do if you, like, we were trying to make another one. | ||
| I think they did a fine job. | ||
| Yeah, especially with a massive budget that you're expected to show in the film. | ||
| You know, like, the original Matrix was so well written and so tight because of those, you know, budget challenges. | ||
| At least partially, not, of course, because of them. | ||
| But that... | ||
| That kind of, we gotta figure out a way to do this that's cheap, is a lot of times a really interesting font of creativity. | ||
| Necessity is the mother of invention. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| I could have said it like other people do. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Well, I am the architect. | ||
| So, Alex gets to talking about how, like, in 25 years... | ||
| We're all going to be plugged in. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| We're all going to be plugged into machines, man. | ||
| Ooh, we're counting down. | ||
| It's not just Wired Magazine, Silicon Weekly, and many other publications, including Salon Today, that are warning you of the takeover. | ||
| Last year, a new Army War College report in 2000 came out and said, within 25 years, we will all be in a hive mind, that the Pentagon will oversee the... | ||
| Insertion of the public into a control grid that we will all be mounted in our homes, wired into a global government mind control computer. | ||
| See, that's kind of fun because Alex could take that clip and he could be like, look at Facebook. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| You know, like he'd be like, I was right. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He's not. | ||
| No. | ||
| He's talking about the Matrix and talking about that being real. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And there's something in your house that you're plugged into or whatever. | ||
| Like, it's not a metaphorical, oh my God, social media is going to take off. | ||
| No, and there were people already at the time going like, social media might not be a good idea to have it take off. | ||
| And they were people who had studied real life technology and real life trends towards that. | ||
| They weren't like, it's going to be exactly like the Matrix dog eyes. | ||
| Come on, dub-dubs. | ||
| The movie's evil. | ||
| Yeah, come on. | ||
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That's a reality dog. | |
| They are preparing you for your journey into the real Matrix. | ||
| Now, if you're shocked by this, I've been warning you long before the Matrix came out this was their plan. | ||
| The elite, of course, will not be implanted. | ||
| And most of you are going to be killed after they release mass plagues. | ||
| This is if they get you herded into the larger cities. | ||
| And yesterday I read from Wired News out of the newest DARPA document where they say everything you do will be tracked and traced and you will be plugged. | ||
| into this system. | ||
| I'm sure you saw all the newscasts in the same exact words, in the same order, That Wired article, in case you did not listen to our last episode, was about a research proposal that DARPA had for a program called LifeLog, which didn't end up happening, and we're not in the Matrix. | ||
| We're not. | ||
| Or are we? | ||
| We wouldn't know! | ||
| Exhausting. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So I feel exhausted by those sorts of questions where you're like, well, maybe we are. | ||
| What is real? | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fun. | ||
| Alex finds it painful to watch movies like The Matrix. | ||
| It was painful. | ||
| But he's still going to buy a copy. | ||
| Well, of course. | ||
| This is real. | ||
| Truth is strange with infection. | ||
| And to have the Illuminati shout at me for two hours was very, very painful. | ||
| I was nauseated during the first 30 minutes of the film. | ||
| I will have to, of course, when it's on DVD, get a copy and try to freeze frame it. | ||
| I'll still give him my money, but, you know, like, I will. | ||
| I just am, I'm just blown away by that statement out of a human after what he said. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, like, he thinks that the Illuminati yelled at him for two hours, and part of that was a Powerade commercial. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That he took personally. | ||
| Was the Powerade commercial on the original DVD, or do you have to get the director's cut? | ||
| I think it played in theaters. | ||
| You can find it on YouTube. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I found it. | ||
| So anyway, this movie was the most gripping. | ||
| That's a positive review word, right? | ||
| Yeah, it tends to be. | ||
| It's a gripping instance of mind control. | ||
| I mean, it's hard to keep people entertained for two hours. | ||
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Sure. | |
| It's difficult. | ||
| There were... | ||
| Other subliminals here, I'm not sure exactly what the covert subliminals were. | ||
| Ooh, they're really good then. | ||
| In the front of the film at higher levels and then saturated in emotional scenes when your conscious mind is diverted in the primitive combat function mammalian activity structure. | ||
| So this is what we're facing. | ||
| I recommend that you do not see the film. | ||
| I know with reverse psychology, we'll probably see it. | ||
| Buy it, though? | ||
| Curiosity killed the cat. | ||
| I felt like walking out of the film. | ||
| It was the most gripping experience of overt mind control I have ever experienced. | ||
| I don't know if you could do a better commercial for the Matrix movie to Alex's audience than that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, that is catnip. | ||
| They're all going to flock to the theater to like, oh my god, I was able to resist the mind control. | ||
| No, it's like one of those marketing strategies where they try and piss off Christians because then they know real people will watch it and be like, oh, I get it. | ||
| This is fun. | ||
| I'm doing this to make whiny old church ladies angry at me. | ||
| So this next clip just confused me. | ||
| The oldest form of mind control is superstition. | ||
| The witch doctor knew when the solar or lunar eclipse was coming. | ||
| It's really offensive. | ||
| And he was generally part of a hereditary guild, or kind of your first masonic lodge. | ||
| No. | ||
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And he didn't know why there was an eclipse, but he knew when it was coming, and it happened so infrequently that people would forget about it, he could use that knowledge to shock and amaze members of the tribe and then get special favors, the best hut, the best women, the best food. | |
| So, I guess according to Alex, like, witch doctors are Illuminati? | ||
| I think that's what he's saying. | ||
| Man, I will tell you this right now. | ||
| I think the thing that scares him more than the Matrix Reloaded, more than Oblivion, that's Weekend at Bernie's 2. Because if you recall, I think we all know what happened to Bernie in that situation. | ||
| Was there an eclipse? | ||
| He was brought back to life and ambulatory by what we would have called at the time a witch doctor. | ||
| Yeah, I know that I've heard these sorts of ideas from Alex, and they come from weird, Colonial-era literature about the horrible depictions of folks. | ||
| I know that I've heard these thoughts, but I didn't know that his idea of shamans being part of a guild, an ancestral guild, I didn't know that part of it, which I think is really funny. | ||
| I think it's hilarious to imagine that he thinks that all of these shamans or whatever were somehow linked up. | ||
| Back in the day. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| They got the best huts. | ||
| That's... | ||
| I just... | ||
| That's what the scam was. | ||
| What a fucking ignorant and racist thing to think without learning anything about it at all. | ||
| It's interesting to question whether he got this from some other very misguided source or if he wrote it himself in his head. | ||
| And I'm not sure. | ||
| So, I feel like Alex... | ||
| When you see a society in decline, the empires always use superstition and gladiatorial diversions to divert and distract them. | ||
| And that's exactly what I saw in The Matrix. | ||
| And overall, globalist in your face, admitting its revelation of the method, Illuminati terms, Homosexual orgies. | ||
| And much, much more. | ||
| This is a corrupting film. | ||
| He brings up way more than once that there are things that are homosexual in nature. | ||
| That's a real sticking point for him. | ||
| So what he's saying is that the elites in the middle of a crumbling empire will do their best to distract you with superstition and gladiatorial-type combats of a certain sort. | ||
| That is why Alex is giving us the Christian point of view of a movie. | ||
| It makes sense. | ||
| Yeah, fair enough. | ||
| So I thought, like, man, what fun. | ||
| We got a movie review. | ||
| Alex was off base on a lot of stuff. | ||
| What's he going to do for the rest of the show? | ||
| Yeah, I feel like there's really nowhere else to go after you've dug into the reloading. | ||
| There's one place to go, and that's to the phone. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Alex takes a call, and this guy is a disabled person, and he wants to know what the globalists are going to do with him. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Oh, no, no! | ||
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I just turned 50 years old in March, and anyway, my left eye was put out with a rock when I was four, so I had to use my right eye. | |
| pretty much all my life, and it's getting where I can't hardly read. | ||
| But I was in a real bad wreck. | ||
| Well, I had to go on with total disability. | ||
| It messed my neck and my spine up. | ||
| They are going to put you in the compact city. | ||
| And he will live in a small one-room apartment with armed SWAT teams all about you. | ||
| Cameras everywhere, thumb scanning to get your food. | ||
| And the first time you get sick, they're not going to treat you. | ||
| They're going to put you on hospice, strap you down, and dehydrate you to death. | ||
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That's terrible, man. | |
| Well, I don't mean to scare you. | ||
| He doesn't mean to scare him. | ||
| What the f***? | ||
| What the fuck was that? | ||
| They're gonna dehydrate you today. | ||
| That is so fucking cruel. | ||
| That dude is clearly struggling. | ||
| He's super fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's really just... | ||
| Man. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And then Alex just... | ||
| Without a fucking thought. | ||
| Just makes up some bullshit about how this guy's going to be tortured to death. | ||
| In a small apartment under watch of the SWAT teams. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| They're gonna tie him down and dehydrate him. | ||
| Is that what that guy was calling and looking for? | ||
| I don't think it's... | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I mean, he couldn't possibly have been looking for comfort. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| Maybe he was looking for something to justify his belief in Alex. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's like, well... | ||
| This is the horrors that they're going to inflict upon someone like me in their dystopian future. | ||
| Then I must fight. | ||
| And this caller actually does, you know, I guess he does get what he was looking for. | ||
| He hopes that he can fight to the death against these people who would seek to dehydrate him. | ||
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Well, I just hope God gives me the guts to fight to die as Patrick Henry did. | |
| Oh, you say you have a son. | ||
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Yo, I got two boys. | |
| One is 24. Your boy's job. | ||
| Is not to move away and take some jobs and make a little more money. | ||
| Their job is to take care of you. | ||
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Right, yeah. | |
| If they don't take care of you, they're going to hell. | ||
| What? | ||
| I mean, honor thy father and mother, of course. | ||
| That is the commandment more important than all. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But also no? | ||
| Also no. | ||
| Huge no. | ||
| That seemed a little bit out of place for what I know of Alex. | ||
| Like, your kid's got to take care of you or they're going to hell. | ||
| What a very strange man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What a strange man to react like this to a guy who's clearly in pain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All the time! | ||
| I feel like these are interesting glimpses into things that, you know, he would say or support, but wouldn't really necessarily come up if it weren't for callers. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| That's why I kind of enjoy that there's a lot more callers in the past also. | ||
| Yeah, I do like finding out more and more little tiny details of his weird cosmology. | ||
| Like, well, obviously, if you don't stay with your parents and take care of them until their death, you go to hell. | ||
| Duh! | ||
| Yeah, Satan will grab you. | ||
| Is that why his dad works there? | ||
| Must be. | ||
| Must be. | ||
| So another caller calls in. | ||
| He's big into relitigating the Civil War. | ||
| Here's a couple points. | ||
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Over 100,000 soldiers from the Union Army deserted. | |
| Lincoln ended up with a general who was a drunk. | ||
| I mean, the Oz and the North. | ||
| Yeah, Ulysses S. Graham. | ||
| And later on, a president. | ||
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Lincoln was like, crane. | |
| Lincoln was a very spiritual man. | ||
| No, yeah, his wife was going to be a cult. | ||
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Well, his wife is a different story. | |
| I hear you. | ||
| Listen, I appreciate the call. | ||
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I gotta go. | |
| And they... | ||
| Weird that Lincoln shows up on an episode where he hates homosexuality so much. | ||
| So we get... | ||
| Alex goes to break and he comes back and he gets another call and this guy has just watched a TV show about Hitler. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he wants to make some comparisons to George Bush. | ||
| I do like these calls, too. | ||
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The wording, the phrasing that Hitler used in his speech before the Reichstag, after the Reichstag fire, to get passage of the Enabling Act, which gave him all-encompassing powers. | |
| Did somebody tape that? | ||
| I'd like somebody to send me that, please. | ||
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I didn't, but I certainly hope somebody does, because you will love it, Alex. | |
| You're going to love it. | ||
| So this guy's saying that the phrasing that Hitler used in arguing for the Enabling Act is the same as the phrasing that George Bush is using. | ||
| He didn't tape this. | ||
| He has no idea. | ||
| Alex hasn't seen it. | ||
| It's just a conversation with people. | ||
| Did you catch that thing on TV? | ||
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Yep. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I have a theory. | ||
| I have a theory that I've been working on for a long time, which is that part of why we are where we are now is so many people... | ||
| Have been so obsessed with watching documentaries about Hitler and the rise of the Nazis that over time it's turned into a sort of admiration for that. | ||
| For a lot of people. | ||
| Which is why we see all of these conversations and comparisons to Hitler from the far right about everybody else despite them. | ||
| Adopting those tactics almost whole cloth. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah, I think... | ||
| Because they're like, it was effective. | ||
| I think you could learn the wrong lessons. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, Alex and this caller, while they're talking about Hitler and his speech that is mirroring George W. Bush, they get into a little bit of a, hey, let's recast the Bush administration, but with their sort of... | ||
| They're analog in the Hitler. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| The Hitler administration. | ||
| Of course, of course. | ||
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The comparison between the Bush administration and the Hitler administration. | |
| John Ashcroft, Homeland Security, Patriot Act. | ||
| Yeah, John Ashcroft, Heinrich Himmler. | ||
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Heinrich the Hangman? | |
| Heinrich Himmler, yeah. | ||
| And we've got, I guess, Ridge is kind of the Hermann Göring. | ||
| And Cheney is... | ||
| Well, I guess kind of a behind-the-scenes guy, but they're not going to get away with it. | ||
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Is Rumsfeld Goebbels? | |
| Yeah, I have to say so. | ||
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Boo. | |
| Is Rumsfeld Goebbels? | ||
| Goebbels. | ||
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Is Rumsfeld Goebbels? | |
| I need to be in more situations where that question is asked of me. | ||
| So, John Ashcroft was the Attorney General for Bush. | ||
| This is not analogous to Himmler, who was the Reichfuhrer. | ||
| He was the commander of the SS, and if you want to be overly generous, you could say he was metaphorically the head of the Joint Chiefs, maybe? | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Maybe he was just Colin Powell. | ||
| Tom Ridge is the Secretary of Homeland Security. | ||
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Right. | |
| Herman Goering was the head of the Luftwaffe, and then he was in control of the Reichstag. | ||
| So an equivalent here might be the Speaker of the House, or maybe Vice President, since they're the President of the Senate. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Cheney's a behind-the-scenes guy with no parallels, so I'm going to ignore that. | ||
| Apparently Rumsfeld is Goebbels, which is fucking nuts. | ||
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| Karl Rove is Goebbels. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyone who knows how to book a fantasy Nazi team knows that. | ||
| It's a disgrace that Alex doesn't like, no, it's Rove. | ||
| Yeah, it could not have been more Rove ever. | ||
| No, there's only Rove and Goebbels. | ||
| Like, it's those two. | ||
| It's very, very simple. | ||
| So Goebbels... | ||
| He had some ideas about the big lie. | ||
| That is so much like how... | ||
| Goebbels! | ||
| He had some ideas about the big lie, right? | ||
| You tell a big enough lie and people will believe it. | ||
| Bigger lie, harder it is for people to, you know, whatever. | ||
| The big lie. | ||
| Alex has some thoughts about that. | ||
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Well, Joseph Goebbels was Hitler's minister of propaganda. | |
| He's the one who says when you tell a lie, make it big, repeat it often, and most of the people will believe it. | ||
| And some people say that that quote isn't accurate because he said what our enemies do is tell a big lie and tell it often enough, but they were still explaining what they did. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I seem to remember from Cyrus' book as the way I quoted it, but I may well be wrong. | ||
| No, but what I'm saying is that some people say that that's taken out of context, but no, they're explaining how the big lie works regardless. | ||
| It's a statement of fact. | ||
| So some people think that was taken out of context. | ||
| Is there anything more American than two old white guys talking about Nazis that they haven't bothered to read about? | ||
| So Goebbels took the concept of the big lie actually from another source. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| From Mein Kampf. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hitler's book. | ||
| The passage in question had to do with Hitler blaming everything that went wrong in World War I on the Jews. | ||
| The Jews had committed a big lie about what had gone down. | ||
| When Alex says that Goebbels points out that their enemies use a big lie, What he's failing to point out is that the actual context of the quote is Nazi propaganda against Jews. | ||
| Yeah, the big lie was the lie about Jews being the problem. | ||
| That was the big lie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The big lie wasn't... | ||
| The Jews lying about their involvement, the big lie was telling people that it... | ||
| Alex is doing a great job of putting history into context for his listeners. | ||
| This is awesome. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Hey, this is the guy who said that Hitler and Stalin were complete badasses. | ||
| He's read... | ||
| So many books about World War II. | ||
| Millions of books. | ||
| Millions. | ||
| So Alex gets another caller, and this is my kind of cat. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He wants to know a very specific question. | ||
| He wants the answer from Alex, and that is, what Bible do you read, man? | ||
| And this is a loaded question. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because this means something to this caller. | ||
| Obviously, he thinks that some versions of the Bible... | ||
| Are not accurate. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Some things like a newer version. | ||
| The King James or the NIV or whatever it is you'd like. | ||
| There are some books that are added. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Maybe he's somebody who's into some non-canonical books. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| I love this kind of question because it's very specific and there's a specific answer that you should give. | ||
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Okay. | |
| If you're Alex, if you're a religious person, you should have an opinion. | ||
| Even if that opinion is, I think a lot of different translations are okay. | ||
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Sure. | |
| You should have an answer. | ||
| Alex whiffs. | ||
| Let's talk to George in Colorado. | ||
| Thanks for holding, George. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
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Yeah, how you doing, man? | |
| I'm a first-time listener, and I gotta know where you stand on a couple things. | ||
| On Sunday morning, when you go to church, I was just wondering what Bible you carried to church with you. | ||
| Well, I don't go to church. | ||
| I don't go to the... | ||
| Worship the government and learn a Masonic religion. | ||
| I can't really find a church here locally. | ||
| I occasionally go to Tex Mars' church, which is good. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| No. | ||
| So Alex doesn't go to churches, but when he does, he goes to Tex Mars, noted anti-Semite. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't necessarily even believe that. | ||
| I think Alex is just grasping at straws, and that was the only thing that could come into his mind of like, oh, this is a crazy right-wing extremist church I can sort of signal to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah, the caller is just like, he wants an answer of King James all the way, baby. | ||
| And Alex instead is like, I only go to an insane anti-Semite church. | ||
| I don't go to church where you worship the government. | ||
| It couldn't be more of an important question either, because the simple fact is, if you want to believe the Bible, you also have to believe that it was divinely inspired. | ||
| So if there's a difference between two different versions of the Bible, that That would suggest that people got involved somewhere along the line. | ||
| At least in one of the versions. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| If there's a discrepancy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So this caller is into Jesus, and that should be enough for Alex. | ||
| It's not. | ||
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It's just on a spiritual level here, and from here in Colorado, it's like the Mecca where all these Bibles are published and everything. | |
| And we take a lot of heat in that for what we stand for at our church. | ||
| You know, we just believe in the old-time religion and serving the Lord Jesus Christ, you know, and going out personal soul winning and, you know, confrontational soul winning and stuff. | ||
| Well, I don't do that. | ||
| About the cashless society control grid of the New World Order? | ||
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No, about accepting Jesus Christ or, you know, personal favor. | |
| I mean, so your church doesn't talk about the New World Order, though? | ||
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Well, no. | |
| Well, yeah, I mean, of course. | ||
| What? | ||
| I mean, you know, that's in sermons and everything. | ||
| Great, listen. | ||
| I appreciate the call. | ||
| Good to hear from you, George. | ||
| So apparently, Alex's prerequisite for a church to actually be a church is they have to have his political inclination and preach about the New World Order. | ||
| It's not enough that they are aggressively and confrontationally into saving souls for Jesus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's pretty weird. | ||
| Yeah, you know, if there's anything I've always thought about religion, it's that it should be in politics. | ||
| Non-stop. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So Alex gets another caller, and this guy is kind of into Hitler, I believe. | ||
| Troy in New York. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Thank you for allowing me to speak and be heard. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
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About the big lie technique. | |
| The Antichrist accused Hitler of inventing and propagating the big lie technique. | ||
| This accusation is, in fact, the big lie technique in action. | ||
| Well done. | ||
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You know, it's not the devil who reveals the tricks of the devil. | |
| It's the anti-devil who reveals the tricks of the devil. | ||
| So, I guess he's saying that the Jews are the devil? | ||
| So, wait, so the Antichrist said that Hitler... | ||
| No, the Antichrist doesn't reveal the Antichrist's plans. | ||
| It's a good thing to reveal the Antichrist's plans. | ||
| In Mein Kampf, Hitler talked about how the Jews were to blame for everything in World War I, and the big lie was pointing the finger at nationalist leaders. | ||
| And so that is Hitler revealing the Antichrist's plans, which was, I mean, if you look at it just very clearly, he's saying that the Jews are... | ||
| Yeah, that's basically what he's saying. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, that's why I'm concerned. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's concerning. | ||
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There's an issue here. | |
| Yes. | ||
| There is a problem. | ||
| Especially after, you know, Alex has said that he goes to Tex Mars' church. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| Like, this is just, this is deeply anti-Semitic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everything that's going on here. | ||
| Yeah, I don't, I, man, you could just get away with a lot of shit. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| And then it gets even worse because a name gets dropped, and Alex, although he should be denouncing this person, will not. | ||
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I was hearing that guy. | |
| I forgot his name. | ||
| He's from Waxahachie, Texas. | ||
| His name is David. | ||
| David J. Smith, Waxahachie, Texas, yes. | ||
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Yeah, and he was saying, you know, it's a new world order, and there's not much that we can do about it because, you know, it's in the Bible, and I was just, you know. | |
| That's what a lot of people think. | ||
| You know, they think, well, it's in the Bible. | ||
| Well, certainly bad things happen. | ||
| Bad things are going to happen. | ||
| But we have a job to warn people and wake folks up, and we can do something about that. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| And at the same time, you know, people thought that Hitler was the Antichrist, and you can't fight him. | ||
| It's the end of the world. | ||
| Some of the Christians thought that. | ||
| They thought Stalin was. | ||
| They thought Mao was. | ||
| So every thug that comes along, the churches are being paid off. | ||
| Not to speak out and fight it. | ||
| I'm not saying David J. Smith's doing that. | ||
| He's a good guy. | ||
| I'm talking about the big establishment 501c3s. | ||
| So David J. Smith is doing the same thing that all of these evil churches are. | ||
| They've been paid off to do it. | ||
| He's saying there's no use in fighting the New World Order or whatever. | ||
| But Alex is like, no, he's cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he's doing it for free. | ||
| If you don't recall, David J. Smith is the preacher who's super into British Israelism. | ||
| Yeah, I do recall that. | ||
| Very much a white identity. | ||
| Proponent. | ||
| Yeah, the true Jews are white people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So now we have two examples within like 10 minutes of Alex's show of two very anti-Semitic preachers that Alex is a fan of and won't speak ill of. | ||
| Uh-uh, he's a good guy. | ||
| That's bad, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's really bad. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, and especially because one of the things that we've thought for so long is that he went under the radar with his antisemitism by just renaming it globalism. | ||
| That he's just openly antisemitic here is kind of mind-boggling. | ||
| Like, does he hide it later? | ||
| I think that he probably doesn't experience all of this stuff as being as anti-Semitic as it is. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Well, it is. | ||
| It's super anti-Semitic. | ||
| So let's take a load off. | ||
| Let's get a little bit lighter. | ||
| This has been some heavy stuff with these calls. | ||
| A lot of hatred. | ||
| This is just a good fun. | ||
| It's one of the things that I think is one of the treats, one of the delights of going back to the past. | ||
| And that is that there's a running theme that keeps going on through Alex's show. | ||
| And that is that people from the Republic of Texas keep calling and wanting to get Alex's take on things. | ||
| Sovereign citizen stuff. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| They expect Alex to be on board because he wants to secede and what have you. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But he hates these people. | ||
| Let's talk to Dwayne in Texas. | ||
| Dwayne, you're on the air. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I appreciate your time. | ||
| And the name is Wayne. | ||
| Not D-Wayne, but Wayne. | ||
| And I was just checking to see if you have gotten my letter. | ||
| And I think you'll recognize it because it had the Texas flag on the envelope and on the letterhead. | ||
| Yeah, I've got your letter. | ||
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Good. | |
| I need a fax number from you. | ||
| Not over the air, but you can fax my fax. | ||
| Well, sir, I don't know if I can, you know, I barely have time to read these letters. | ||
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I understand. | |
| Let's respond to them. | ||
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I understand. | |
| What's on your mind, sir? | ||
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I just received a letter from the Republican National Committee wanting my opinions. | |
| I answered their questionnaire, and then I'm sending them a three-page letter of my opinion. | ||
| Yes, and what are your opinions? | ||
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Well, my opinions are that the only way we're going to beat this system is to start small, and for Texas to start the process for secession. | |
| But to do that, we can't have 14 fruitcakes pop up and claim themselves presidents of Texas. | ||
| Alex is just so mad at these Republic of Texas people. | ||
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Not a big tent. | |
| Well, it's not a big enough tent for 14 presidents. | ||
| Oh, yes, I got your letter. | ||
| That's the moment. | ||
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I know. | |
| Just that deflation of, I got your letter. | ||
| That familiarity of, like, I know exactly who I'm talking to. | ||
| This is happening. | ||
| This is gonna happen. | ||
| Is this the president of Texas calling in? | ||
| I have to let you talk a little bit, because I know so many of my listeners are you. | ||
| And there isn't really all that much air between us. | ||
| There's not a real substantive difference between what we believe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I just hate you. | |
| I just hate you because you won't shut up about it. | ||
| I want to talk about the Matrix Reloaded for an hour. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And take aggressively anti-Semitic calls. | |
| Yes. | ||
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And now I have to be like, oh, the government's a lie. | |
| So here's how we wrap up. | ||
| Alex has taken some calls. | ||
| He has a guest who he talks to for a bit in the third hour, who's someone who ran a union in New Mexico, and they got evicted because they had a war protest. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And great. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Great. | ||
| That is something that you should probably, you know... | ||
| You know, point out or whatever. | ||
| Alex wouldn't do that in the present day. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| No. | ||
| But also, I don't know if I'm really that interested in this because, like, obviously, personally, I agree that they shouldn't have been evicted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I understand that having a demonstration could have been a breach of their lease. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So I understand. | ||
| And I don't understand why Alex would be against the landlord's right to... | ||
| Evict someone for having a rally. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's politically bizarre. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| So they talk for a bit. | ||
| In one way, I am like, you know, part of protest is that there are going to be consequences for it. | ||
| You can't protest and think that it's not a protest if no one is going to fight back. | ||
| You know, that's just advice. | ||
| Much like The Matrix 2 need to be stakes. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| And then on the other hand, fuck you. | ||
| Fuck you for evicting them. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So here's the last clip. | ||
| And we've posted an article on Infowars.com about the Maraginian bloodline, which they talk about in Matrix 2, which I don't suggest you. | ||
| It's mind control, folks. | ||
| I've seen it. | ||
| It's mind control, folks. | ||
| I've seen it. | ||
| Someone like me is strong enough to stand up to the mind control. | ||
| You might not be. | ||
| Don't go ahead. | ||
| Do you know how strong he is? | ||
| He can't be mind control. | ||
| He's going to buy the movie just so he can test himself against its mind control. | ||
| Or Dan. | ||
| It's good practice. | ||
| Or Dan. | ||
| Perhaps all of the mind control that he was concerned about is not the mind control they were thinking about. | ||
| Maybe they were mind controlling him into buying the DVD. | ||
| Yeah, he also has a fridge full of Powerade and he doesn't know why. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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Yes, he's like, I'm so mad at Powerade! | |
| He's chugging Powerade and saying these mind tricks don't work on me. | ||
| The only way to get rid of Powerade is to drink it all. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's what's gonna happen. | ||
| I'm gonna drink the whole business dry. | ||
| Powerade is a finite resource. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| And eventually I'll get to the end of it. | ||
| Eventually we're going to run out of power. | ||
| That'll teach them. | ||
| I'll show them. | ||
| I'll give them all my money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I guess in terms of this, obviously you needed to get to the point where he actually sees the movie. | ||
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Yes. | |
| That's great. | ||
| And in terms of preparation for an episode, this included me watching a movie, so that's a nice little... | ||
| Fun. | ||
| But yeah, we'll be back on our next episode where Alex will not be reviewing The Matrix, hopefully. | ||
| Hopefully. | ||
| But until then, Jordan, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledgefight. | ||
| Now go to bed, Jordan. | ||
| On Facebook. | ||
| We are Facebook, down to show iTunes. | ||
| Please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work right now. | ||
| Yeah, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, I'm Daryl Rundis, I'm the Merigigoo-ian. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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