Today, Dan and Jordan get back to work by taking a trip back to 2003 to see what Alex Jones was up to back then. In this installment, the gents learn that the Civil War was a false flag and find a hint that Alex may have believed that he was fighting the literal devil all along.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight. | |
| I need, I need money. | ||
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding us. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
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Knowledge Fight. | |
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
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What's up? | |
| What's your bright spot today? | ||
| My bright spot today is that I have been vaccinated. | ||
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Yay! | |
| They're all taken care of, and I'm okay. | ||
| Yes, indeed. | ||
| At this point. | ||
| It was an interesting weekend. | ||
| I actually got my date wrong and ended up getting the vaccine on Saturday. | ||
| Yes, yep. | ||
| And I had heard from some people. | ||
| I had some friends who have gotten shot, and they've told me about, like, oh, you know, hey, the next day. | ||
| It's pretty bad, or like I had a little bit of, you know, some effects. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| And so you were kind enough to drive me to get the vaccine, and I went, and immediately I was very cocky. | ||
| Oh, so cocky. | ||
| I was very much like, I'm not even having any side effects. | ||
| I want to be part of the team. | ||
| Everybody's suffering through this. | ||
| I appreciated very much the hubris of saying, you know, I feel like I'm not even a part of the communal experience of the side effects. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so that evening, Saturday evening, WrestleMania was on. | ||
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Right. | |
| Saturday and Sunday. | ||
| And it was the return of the live audience at a WrestleMania. | ||
| And there was this weird resonance between I got vaccinated on the same day as WrestleMania is having crowds return. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| There was sort of a swell of emotion of like normal. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Pseudo-normalcy. | ||
| You can see the horizon. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and so I was. | ||
| And right at about 9.30, I got hit by a train of a fever. | ||
| Just a locomotive. | ||
| And so I had a little bit of a fever through the end of Saturday night at WrestleMania and went straight to bed and felt fine Sunday, really. | ||
| But felt real stupid. | ||
| I mean, Dan, you got your wish. | ||
| You joined the communal experience of side effects, Dan. | ||
| You and I are both fully vaccinated now. | ||
| I felt really stupid because I was looking at my texts to you and I was like, there's no side effects. | ||
| I'm fine. | ||
| It was very funny. | ||
| I'm a superman. | ||
| It was very funny. | ||
| I didn't feel any resentment towards you. | ||
| I was just sitting there going like, oh, I've heard some people don't have side effects. | ||
| Maybe Dan will be one of the ones. | ||
| In the back of my mind, I was like, something's going to happen. | ||
| It wasn't too bad, too. | ||
| It wasn't even a really bad fever. | ||
| I'm just kind of weak. | ||
| I'm very soft. | ||
| A little bit of a fever, and I was just like, I need to put on a little hat, a little bedtime hat. | ||
| Little bedclothes, nice little sleepy time tea. | ||
| Also, I just feel like I should do this, a little review of WrestleMania. | ||
| Sure, of course. | ||
| Boo! | ||
| That was a very little review. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Real bad? | ||
| We had a conversation about Bray Wyatt and his nonsense. | ||
| Did they do what we... | ||
| I surmise that they would do a movie like that, where they go inside of a... | ||
| Nope. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| So, for the listeners who don't watch wrestling, Bray Wyatt was a guy who was a Swamp Hillbilly cult leader. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And was a lot of fun. | ||
| Unofficial mascot of this podcast, I believe. | ||
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Sure, yeah. | |
| Our first tweet was, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, I don't think that was our first tweet, but it was the first one I tagged Alex Jones in. | ||
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Yes, yeah, yeah. | |
| He was on Twitter. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so he used to be a Swamp Hillbilly cult leader, and that was a lot of fun. | ||
| He gave rambling sermons. | ||
| And then he went away and he came back as a children's TV show host who was a little bit creepy at the Firefly Funhouse. | ||
| And then he also was possessed by a demon called the Fiend. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That made him nearly indestructible. | ||
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Right. | |
| And there's a bunch of convoluted nonsense storytelling. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Then at last year's WrestleMania, they did a cinematic movie-type match where it was called a Firefly Funhouse match. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Where the Fiend deconstructed John Cena's ego and his entire career through a weird psychological deconstruction. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I watched it. | ||
| This is one of the few things about wrestling that I've ever watched. | ||
| We watched it together, and I told you this was actually very, very good. | ||
| It was a lot of fun. | ||
| So over the course of this year, The Fiend, The Demon... | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Professional wrestling, correct? | ||
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Yep. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Randy Orton set him on fire and burned him alive, and he disappeared for a bit. | ||
| But by that point... | ||
| He had indoctrinated Alexa Bliss, who's another character on the show, into the dark arts or the evil or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, whatever it is they do. | ||
| And so she was sort of pestering Randy Orton and throwing fireballs at him because she could throw fireballs now. | ||
| Well, yeah, but why not? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You burned a man alive, you might as well give his buddy the ability to throw fireballs. | ||
| So at the last pay-per-view, Alexa Bliss had talked Randy Orton into a match with her. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And, of course, this was all a trap. | ||
| Well, yeah, she shoots fireballs. | ||
| And the Fiend came back and he was all burned and everything. | ||
| He was like charred up and like, oh my god, he's a zombie! | ||
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He's back! | |
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| He will be visited by three other ghosts immediately following this one. | ||
| So at this WrestleMania, on night two, they had the match between the Fiend and Randy Orton and it was like, what the fuck is this going to be? | ||
| They've already burned him to death. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So I would say, you know... | ||
| A chalk and ash bone match. | ||
| I was like, this is so stupid. | ||
| And so actually, during the pre-show of night one, I was yelling at the screen, open with the fiend match, you cowards! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because it's the worst idea. | ||
| Why would you ever open the show with that match? | ||
| Oh, it's a terrible idea. | ||
| And they opened the show with that match. | ||
| They did not! | ||
| And it was so dumb. | ||
| They opened the show with that match? | ||
| That's a terrible idea! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh my god. | ||
| It was really bad. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And it started with Bray Wyatt as the fiend, charred, walking down the hallway. | ||
| And as he walked down the hallway, all the char dropped off him. | ||
| He was magically healed. | ||
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He regenerated? | |
| He regenerated? | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| That should have been on Easter. | ||
| Should have been on Easter. | ||
| The Fiend comes back on Easter Sunday? | ||
| That's the way you do it. | ||
| I would explain what happened in the match, but I don't really understand it, and it was dumb. | ||
| I will say my high point, and this is damning WrestleMania with faint praise. | ||
| My high point was... | ||
| The rapper Bad Bunny. | ||
| I have been hearing a lot of people say positive things about a rapper who did some flips. | ||
| Yes, that was on night one. | ||
| It might have been when my fever was setting in, but he killed it. | ||
| It was a lot of fun to watch him have just the best time. | ||
| Yeah, I'm gonna be honest with you. | ||
| He clearly was having a lot of fun. | ||
| That didn't happen. | ||
| I checked with some people before the show, and they were like, no, Bad Bunny's never been on WrestleMania. | ||
| Dan just had a terrible fever. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Dan, your fever was so bad. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Your brain was torturing itself. | ||
| On night two, they had a great video, like a little piece where Bad Bunny comes walking up onto a street, and Triple H... | ||
| Triple H is standing there with a briefcase. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| And he's like, you did great at WrestleMania. | ||
| Now you go do what you do. | ||
| Oh, God, no! | ||
| So he hands him the briefcase, and he's got a microphone in it. | ||
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. | |
| Great. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| He seems charming. | ||
| Anyway, this has been my protracted bright spot. | ||
| How about you, Jordan? | ||
| Dan, my bright spot of all things, there's a new TV show called Made for Love. | ||
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It's... | |
| Features someone who's burned to death. | ||
| Comes back. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| Close. | ||
| Surprisingly close. | ||
| It's like a, you know, tech billionaire. | ||
| He does some stuff. | ||
| It's quite funny. | ||
| But the main thing is Ray Romano is incredible in it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He has turned himself into an actor with a capital tour. | ||
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I think he's always been pretty good. | |
| He's always been pretty good, but you wouldn't expect everybody loves Raymond to be this guy and to pull it off as well as he does. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Have you seen Men of a Certain Age? | ||
| That was pretty good. | ||
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Was it? | |
| Andre Brower? | ||
| Wait, men? | ||
| Men of a certain age. | ||
| Which age? | ||
| Ray Romano, Quantum Leap guy, Scott Bakula. | ||
| Scott Bakula is still alive? | ||
| It was a while back. | ||
| There was a show. | ||
| Scott Bakula was alive a while back? | ||
| He was of a certain age. | ||
| I remember that show being all right. | ||
| I might be wrong about that. | ||
| Wait, it was a show? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I thought it was like... | ||
| It was on like USA or something. | ||
| I thought it was like the deep impact to Wild Hogs' Armageddon, if you will. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Men of a certain age and Wild Hogs both came out the same year kind of thing. | ||
| There's thematic overlap. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Aging. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Today we have an episode to go over. | ||
| Oh, we do? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Was that what we were doing? | ||
| So I had this weekend of, you know, sort of recovery and what have you and convalescence, even though I probably wasn't nearly as, you know, in need of that as I might have thought I might need to be. | ||
| But I appreciate everybody allowing us, you know, being cool about Monday on Wednesday this week. | ||
| But as I was getting back to work, I was like, I don't want to do this stuff. | ||
| Like, I didn't want to look at the present day. | ||
| There have been some shootings and, you know, police-involved shooting in Minneapolis. | ||
| And I just didn't have the stomach to jump right back into that with Alex. | ||
| And so I decided we're going back to 2003. | ||
| Okay, good call. | ||
| We're going to dip our toes back in. | ||
| We'll deal with the present day on Friday. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But I needed to have something that had a little bit less stakes. | ||
| In order to dive back in on. | ||
| And we'll talk about that here in just a moment. | ||
| But before we do, we've got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show. | ||
| That's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Scatman, a.k.a. | ||
| Dan, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk! | ||
| Thanks, Scatman, aka Dan! | ||
| This is a good point for me to also apologize. | ||
| It has been brought up to me that I did say on an early episode that if we ever made it to a point where we were comfortable doing this podcast... | ||
| Oh no, we don't bring that up anymore. | ||
| ...that I would change my name legally to Scatman. | ||
| I know, we don't bring that up anymore. | ||
| I'm not going to be able to do that. | ||
| Well, we were not expecting it. | ||
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Yes. | |
| We were putting a lot of money on not making any money. | ||
| I do keep open the possibility of a Scatman John tattoo. | ||
| Or just his mustache. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Next, Willard Wonka and the Policy Factory. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a Policy Wonk. | ||
| I'm a Policy Wonk. | ||
| Thanks, Willard Wonka! | ||
| Next, Courtney B. Not a walk-in, but I was in a Nelly song. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a Policy Wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thanks, Courtney! | ||
| Good to know that is not a walk-in. | ||
| That's not a walk-in. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| You know, Courtney B. telling me about a party up in NYC. | ||
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I don't. | |
| You've got to make it damn right. | ||
| I'll be on the next flight. | ||
| Fanfare. | ||
| First class. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm never going to understand it. | ||
| I'm never going to understand it. | ||
| The world still thought Nelly was a good idea. | ||
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Must be the money! | |
| They really did! | ||
| It's a great song. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Anyway, Toco, thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Next, Davey Pancakes. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thanks, Davey Pancakes. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, evil commie feminist witch definitely coming for your guns. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| And finally, I got a little technocrat shout-out going out to Connell. | ||
| Thank you so much, Connell. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Crikey, mate. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| Why are you pimps so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare... | ||
| Infowar on you. | ||
| Thanks so much, Connell. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much, Connell. | ||
| Also, Jordan, I know you know this. | ||
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What's up, Dan? | |
| The world needs to know this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There are two April birthdays. | ||
| Myself. | ||
| Indeed they are. | ||
| Myself. | ||
| There's one. | ||
| You have two in April as well this year, I believe. | ||
| And Dr. Gums. | ||
| My buddy Dr. Gums also has an April birthday. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You know who else does? | ||
| Brad. | ||
| How's it going, Brad? | ||
| Happy birthday, Brad. | ||
| Tyler got in touch with us and wanted us to wish Brad a happy birthday. | ||
| So, Brad, happy birthday. | ||
| Happy birthday, Brad. | ||
| He didn't say when your birthday was, though. | ||
| It's just in April at some point. | ||
| It doesn't have to be in April. | ||
| My birthday's in April, and so is Dr. Gumbs, which means that it's the best month. | ||
| Also, Mandy Moore, Cedric the Entertainer, Kelly Clarkson. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Anyway, Jordan, today we are going over May 5th, 2003. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You may recall that our last episode was about May 2nd, 2003, and you're like, what the hell? | ||
| Why are we jumping? | ||
| We aren't jumping. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| May 2nd was Thursday. | ||
| Alex took off Friday. | ||
| Now we're back on Monday. | ||
| It was busy Friday. | ||
| He doesn't have a Sunday show at this point. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| So we're just back on Monday here. | ||
| And here is an out-of-context drop from today's show. | ||
| Kids are now being arrested for stepping in water puddles. | ||
| That's an aggressive move. | ||
| That is an aggressive move. | ||
| That is an aggressive move. | ||
| Yep, kids are being arrested for stepping in water puddles. | ||
| Stepping in water puddles? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How deep are we talking? | ||
| So deep. | ||
| I want to know the regulations on what is the pool of water in this circumstance. | ||
| I regret to inform you that Alex does not get into that. | ||
| It does not get into any of the specific details on that front. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So, Alex begins the show complaining about how the Ba 'ath Party is being put in all the positions of power in Iraq. | ||
| Which, in retrospect, sounds really right on. | ||
| He's right about everything. | ||
| He will shortly be very, very, very wrong. | ||
| And then we get an edition of the game that I like to play. | ||
| That is, Where in the World is Saddam Hussein? | ||
| And they are setting up a dictatorship. | ||
| They are putting regional governors in. | ||
| All former Ba 'ath Party officials in the 23 ministries, that is official. | ||
| White House, last week, most of Saddam's former people, most of them trained in the U.S. by the CIA. | ||
| That was a CIA government under Saddam until they broke, when he followed orders to invade Kuwait, and got a lot of trouble. | ||
| They set him up, as Saddam said on ITN. | ||
| Now comfortable living in Russia. | ||
| So apparently Saddam is now comfortable living in Russia. | ||
| Okay, so... | ||
| On our last episode, he was in Haiti, or was it Cuba? | ||
| I believe he was in Cuba. | ||
| Yeah, he was in Cuba. | ||
| Yeah, so now he's... | ||
| In the last couple days, he's gone from Cuba to Russia. | ||
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Sure, sure. | |
| I think there was an Indiana Jones-style interstitial where there was the plane and the red line going from SWAT to SWAT, I believe, yeah. | ||
| Boy, he gets around. | ||
| Nobody has seen him get on any of these flights. | ||
| Cuba, Russia, that hole. | ||
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Yes, exactly. | |
| Quite a travel itinerary. | ||
| Yeah, so this is interesting, the way that this is playing out, that Alex is very much on the page of... | ||
| The bath party is going to be in charge of everything. | ||
| It's just going to be very, very wrong in a very short period of time. | ||
| So, at this point in Alex's career, he's a different Alex Jones than he is in the present day. | ||
| In some ways, and he's the same in some ways. | ||
| Right now, in 2021, even as he's being a real dum-dum on air and being very sad. | ||
| Not great at his job. | ||
| Just a real shit pile. | ||
| He's still in a millions-dollar studio. | ||
| He's still got the LED screens behind him. | ||
| He's the kind of guy who shows up with bullhorns at events that... | ||
| He didn't organize in D.C. and people chant his name. | ||
| He can afford to hire at least 15, 18-year-olds at a time. | ||
| And, you know, he can draw a crowd. | ||
| He can lead some people from Trump's rally to the Capitol in a way that might look bad in hindsight. | ||
| We don't need to worry about that. | ||
| In 2003, it was a little bit different. | ||
| The kind of bookings Alex was taking back then. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| But before I go any further, a couple quick announcements. | ||
| I rarely traveled. | ||
| But I will be up at KCXL 1140, that carries the daytime show, KCXL 1140 for the Liberty Factor, May 17th, that's a couple weeks from now, on a Saturday, May 17th, and that's going to be from 10 a.m. to 9 p.m. | ||
| Colonel Craig Roberts and others will be there speaking, and I'll be speaking for several hours and doing a presentation. | ||
| And it's going to be a great event, and it's a benefit for KCXL. | ||
| And I hope to see everybody there. | ||
| So Alex is basically, he's doing a local radio. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I appreciate that a lot. | ||
| There's maybe a minor league baseball game somewhere nearby. | ||
| There's a car dealership opening that he's going to be appearing at. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So I was wondering about this station, because it's like, oh, Alex is going out of his way to go to this station. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It seems weird. | ||
| Like, what can we find out about this? | ||
| And, well, there's a 2020 article about the station that I thought was a little bit interesting, seeing how things turned out for them. | ||
| So wait, this was just last year? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, alright. | ||
| So this station's owned by a guy named Pete Chartel, and he signed a deal not too long ago with Radio Sputnik to air their broadcasting for six hours a day on this station, AM 1140, as well as two other stations he runs, for approximately $60,000 a year. | ||
| Ooh, you know, it's tough keeping a Ma and Pa radio station alive, though. | ||
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So, like, you gotta find revenue where you can. | |
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| Yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| I find that interesting. | ||
| Not necessarily all that damning or anything, but weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, prior to this, this station was airing people like Alex Jones and, of course, Rick Wiles, who you may remember as that fundamentalist asshole who called the Trump impeachment a, quote, Yes. | ||
| This line in a KCUR profile about him and this station is actually kind of stunning. | ||
| Quote, Chartel acknowledges that KCXL has at times given platforms to people who, quote, seem anti-Semitic. | ||
| But Chartel said that he thinks his listeners are well-informed and should be able to, quote, decide for themselves whether they think something is anti-this or anti-that, whether it's based on prejudice or upon someone's wrong interpretation of the facts. | ||
| Now, I feel like we're misunderstanding a real issue there. | ||
| I understand it's up to the listener to decide whether or not they believe it is anti-Semitism, however. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And you put it on the radio, sir. | ||
| Well, he certainly says it seems like it is. | ||
| We don't get to go back from seams. | ||
| We don't get to go back from seams. | ||
| You put it on the radio. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And plenty of your listeners were well aware of that it was anti-Semitism, and it was a selling point for them. | ||
| I'm taking up time on my broadcast to air Nazi stuff, and I'm going to run commercials during it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I trust that the audience gets that I don't like this. | ||
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I'm not. | |
| I'm not going to stump for them. | ||
| I'm just going to give them a place to spread their views without any pushback. | ||
| So that's the station that Alex is going to do. | ||
| Good stuff. | ||
| So Alex has some gripes in 2003. | ||
| He's got some issues. | ||
| But there's one issue that rises above all of them. | ||
| The biggest thing we face is the overnight talk sensation types that talk about deliberate disinformation on purpose. | ||
| They'll have five stupid guests for one good guest that talks about real information. | ||
| What that then does is when the average American hears somebody talk about famous corrupt world government, they've heard that mixed in with the Green Martians from the South Pole or, you know, Planet X or whatever, and then it neutralizes all of it. | ||
| It's the poison pill. | ||
| Whereas everything we talk about here is proven. | ||
| And it's documented and it's in your face. | ||
| So the biggest issue that the truth movement or whatever Alex is engaged in at this point, the biggest issue that they face is these... | ||
| Opportunistic radio people who talk about some of the real issues, but then mix in stuff like aliens or, let's say, extra-dimensional demons and fighting the literal devil. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| One could say that he has become everything that he hates most in this exact moment. | ||
| Alex's biggest problem in 2003 is his future self. | ||
| Is Alex in 2021. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Gotta love it. | ||
| So I heard that, and I thought, like, well, that's just good fun. | ||
| That is. | ||
| But this actually leads to what I think is a really interesting moment later in the episode. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There's something that rises this up to a level of relevance that it wouldn't have otherwise. | ||
| But before we get to that, Alex has got to complain a lot about how they're going to outlaw homeschooling. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I've got the headline right here. | ||
| Homeschooling under new law to be abuse in California. | ||
| It just says, period, you homeschool, it's abusive. | ||
| Yes, it's the new America, folks. | ||
| This is who they're coming after. | ||
| Hope you know the terrorism manuals, say Christians, gun owners, homeschoolers, word for word. | ||
| And you thought it was the Muslims? | ||
| Oh, no, they work for the CIA. | ||
| Any real Muslim terrorist is flying around in a plane with bars of gold. | ||
| From your tax money. | ||
| I just want you to know that. | ||
| By the way, Senate reports. | ||
| Before I end this segment, you want to find out about those Muslim terrorists that work for the CIA. | ||
| Get 9-1-1, The Road to Tyranny, and part two of that, The Masters of Terror. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Ad pivots. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's the way it worked back then. | ||
| If you want to find out about the Muslims' terrorists with bars of gold from your tax money. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So all the terrorists without bars of gold are fake Muslim terrorists? | ||
| I think that Alex is saying that there aren't really any, except for CIA-run Muslim terrorists. | ||
| Yeah, it's interesting. | ||
| That is interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| Okay. | ||
| So, they're gonna get rid of homeschooling. | ||
| They're calling it abuse. | ||
| I mean, I have a problem with homeschooling as a way to avoid learning. | ||
| That's a big issue where they're like, I don't want my kid learning any of that devil math. | ||
| That's an issue. | ||
| I think kids should learn the math of the spheres. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Homeschooling in and of itself isn't necessarily abusive, but it can be an element of abuse if you're keeping your child in a... | ||
| You know, raising them in some kind of absurd way. | ||
| Perhaps! | ||
| Let's say homeschooling could be an element of that. | ||
| But just because someone decides to homeschool does not necessarily... | ||
| Equate to that. | ||
| And I think that Alex likes to play the margins there. | ||
| Likes to pretend that everybody is saying that homeschool is intrinsically an act of abuse. | ||
| I don't think that those are the arguments that people are making. | ||
| You know, I mean, in my small community growing up, we had a couple... | ||
| I think we had both ends of the spectrum of homeschool kids. | ||
| The kids who are homeschooled... | ||
| Who are clearly way overachievers and you meet them and they're six years old and you're like, yeah, you shouldn't be in with the rest of the chattel. | ||
| You need to be raised by your weirdo parents to become a math genius. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| And then the other end of that was the like, well, okay. | ||
| So they know everything about the Bible. | ||
| And then beyond that, we're in real dicey territory. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I think one of the difficulties and challenges of homeschooling is obviously, like, socialization, and I think people have figured out ways around that with, like, you know, groups and sport leaves and stuff like that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, the whole thing. | ||
| Yeah, but I don't know. | ||
| The way that I look at it is, like, yeah, there's some homeschool stuff that's bad, and there's some stuff that's fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex, on the other hand, when he looks at school, it's all bad. | ||
| Oh, well. | ||
| And all over the country, cesspools like California run by socialists and gun-grabbing creatures like Davis are first saying, oh, we're going to arrest you in your homeschool if you don't have a teaching certificate. | ||
| Not a law, they just say it. | ||
| Same thing in Illinois, they're trying it all over now, even some southern states. | ||
| Besides, we've talked to Christopher before, and he's given us this great analysis, and I agree with him. | ||
| It's what they're doing. | ||
| Now, though, they're trying to put it into law and call it child abuse, where they just refuse, the school refused to give you, quote, your form. | ||
| Then you don't put your child in their abusive system, where your child learns how to be a crack whore or learns how to be a crack whore. | ||
| Are they the only three? | ||
| Christianity is seen as a cult religion, but they teach you how to be a Muslim. | ||
| I mean, it goes on and on. | ||
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What? | |
| The nightmares in these schools where your kid gets arrested if they're caught playing tag or dodgeball. | ||
| These are weird examples. | ||
| Yeah, this is a very strange dystopia. | ||
| He's painting a picture that if that were real, you would... | ||
| That's some very weird adults doing some weird stuff. | ||
| Like, as a whole. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know how public education... | ||
| I don't like this term, but as Alex is calling it, a crack whore. | ||
| A crack sex worker. | ||
| I don't know what that educational curriculum is like. | ||
| I also think, yeah, I mean, like, obviously Tag and Dodgeball, that's just those right-wing talking points around this time and periodically, whenever they want to deploy those. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think I remember any classes growing up that was just like, okay, we're going to watch The Wire, and then you figure out what character you want to be, and we'll build a curricula based on that. | ||
| Yeah, I also don't know what classes ever have been, like Christianity is a cult, and oh, here's how you become a Muslim. | ||
| I don't know if I've ever read... | ||
| It's a little... | ||
| It seems a little bit like a caricature. | ||
| I feel like he might be describing a women's studies course in a very wrong way. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So, Alex has an example, though, of, like, the way that this is out of control in the schools. | ||
| The schools are out of control. | ||
| They're trying to get everyone jammed up. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Like, here in Austin, Texas, if you're late to class three times, that's considered truancy. | ||
| They criminally charge you. | ||
| In one school, over half the kids have been charged. | ||
| Though the state law says 12 to 14 truancies in a semester, they're not even following the law anymore. | ||
| I met a lady. | ||
| She showed me the documents. | ||
| And she actually works for someone in my family. | ||
| And she showed me the documentation. | ||
| Her child was in kindergarten six years ago and was out for a week with pneumonia. | ||
| They have now criminally charged her for truancy in kindergarten. | ||
| And we went and looked at the statute of limitations. | ||
| It's like six months because there's not even a criminal charge. | ||
| And they're now criminally charging her. | ||
| They're not even following laws now, sir. | ||
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What? | |
| That seems, uh, if true, I am outraged, sir! | ||
| Yeah, I don't believe this. | ||
| So, the first thing that I find troubling about this story is that a week is a pretty quick recovery time for a kindergartner to get over pneumonia. | ||
| That's easy. | ||
| That seems fishy. | ||
| That's a strong kindergartner. | ||
| Also, Jordan, I would ask you this question. | ||
| What is truancy if you're a kindergartner? | ||
| Those kids are between four and six years old, so it's not like they're even able to skip class. | ||
| They stopped watching The Wire. | ||
| All right, they turned around. | ||
| If there's an unexplained absence of a child in kindergarten, that's an issue with the parents. | ||
| A six-year-old is not responsible for getting themselves to class like a high schooler might be, so pretending there's an equivalence in terms of truancy is just ridiculous. | ||
| The kindergarten hires a guy in a band to drive around outside all 7-Elevens and be like, Hey, you! | ||
| It's your one day you gotta be in school! | ||
| Get in there! | ||
| According to the Texas Board of Education, there are a bunch of steps that are taken before any kind of court would come into play with truancy issues as it stands now. | ||
| These rules were changed to get rid of any possible criminal charges back in 2015. | ||
| But even prior to that, the worst that would really happen to a student... | ||
| is that they would be charged with a Class C misdemeanor. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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However, it could get out of control, and we'll discuss that in a second. | |
| Right. | ||
| how I feel about any of this, but I'm also pretty sure from what I've read on the subject that this is only something that currently is done after there are attempts to resolve the truancy issue and those attempts have failed. | ||
| It's not even how this stuff works anymore. | ||
| This is one of those interesting things about Alex in the past, though, where he's actually covering a murky subject, but he's sensationalizing it so far past the point where it can be taken seriously. | ||
| Thoughtful people can and should discuss what approaches are appropriate to take in terms of encouraging attendance in school and how chronic truancy is often an indication of a larger problem that should not be ignored and kids need help with. | ||
| Yeah, chronic truancy, the problem is not you're not in school often enough. | ||
| There's a way bigger problem somewhere. | ||
| It usually is a sign of something that someone could use some kind of assistance with. | ||
| Is imposing fines on high schoolers who skip class all the time a good strategy, or is it overly punitive and counterproductive? | ||
| That is a fine conversation, and I think that it's worth having. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Where it falls apart, and why Alex is a terrible source of information about anything, is the point where he makes this about a kindergartner who had pneumonia being criminally charged for being out of school. | ||
| That's absurd. | ||
| And even according to the debatably too harsh rules that Texas operated under at the time, these truancy rules only applied to students in 1st through 12th grade. | ||
| Alex is making up an extreme example of some anecdote that he's heard that's so severe that it creates an image in the audience's head about this policy. | ||
| that he's looking to demonize. | ||
| He does this because that's easier than it would be to look over data and come up with an argument against the policy as it exists. | ||
| If you can just paint a dramatic, overly emotionally charged picture in your audience's head, you don't have to do the work of making an actual point. | ||
| Yeah, that'd be like, I remember whenever they took away three a day practices when I was in high school doing football. | ||
| And people were all like, oh no, you're making the kids soft and all of that stuff. | ||
| Yeah, that was probably the best decision to take that away, but this would be like if Alex got on and he was like, yeah, they said you only have to do two, and this coach, he went ahead and did three anyways, so they fucking killed him. | ||
| They just killed him. | ||
| They murdered him on the spot. | ||
| They're not even following the laws anymore. | ||
| There's no due process. | ||
| They just murdered the coach on the field. | ||
| Honestly, my problem is the lack of due process. | ||
| Exactly, it's due process. | ||
| So also, by framing the issue that Alex is discussing like this, he can sidestep the uncomfortable reality that this... | ||
| This kind of program disproportionately victimizes students without means. | ||
| If you skip school and you're fined for it and you can't pay the fine, what happens then? | ||
| A 2015 article on BuzzFeed discussed the case of an 11th grader in Texas who couldn't pay and was, quote, offered jail credit at a rate of $300 per day. | ||
| This is an incredibly flawed system, and the conversation about it is done a disservice by having Alex try to grandstand about imaginary kindergartners. | ||
| Thankfully, there are other adults discussing these sorts of issues in terms of reality, and adjustments were made, no thanks to Alex's idiotic fake advocacy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, like, it's such a huge issue, too, when you consider the school-to-prison pipeline and how so many things are meant to criminalize children. | ||
| At an early enough age so you can just keep them criminals forever and use them as fuel for the capitalist mill. | ||
| But Alex, clearly, one, only cares about white kids, so there's a problem there. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And two is just... | ||
| He's not dealing with any of the larger problem. | ||
| He's just like, ah, they're criminalizing kindergartners. | ||
| I think that this has an interesting intersection of that school-to-prison pipeline idea, which is definitely real and an issue. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And also misguided but well-intentioned ideas. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because I do think that some people who may not... | ||
| trying to criminalize children. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Think that like, okay, if you're in high school and you skip school and you get a fine, maybe you'll be less likely to skip high school. | |
| Sure. | ||
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You know, encouraging the right behavior the wrong way. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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I think that there is an element of that. | |
| But even so, no matter what, no matter where more of the weight lies. | ||
| Whatever Alex is doing is pointless, and it doesn't help solve any of the problems. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, and you can totally imagine, like, I can get inside the mind of the person who offered the kid, like... | ||
| Oh, so we'll give you credit for doing jail. | ||
| And that person was probably thinking they were a genius. | ||
| Like, see, you can't afford to pay it. | ||
| You just do some jail. | ||
| I'm helping you out instead of somebody who should have been slapped in the face the moment they had that thought. | ||
| You know? | ||
| The moment you're like, hey, how about do some time in jail instead of paying me the money that doesn't make any sense for you to pay me in the first place? | ||
| Yeah, reading that kind of stuff, it doesn't make a lot of sense why you would... | ||
| Continue down this road of this policy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, Alex mentioned a guy named Chris there, and he's a guy named Chris Clicka, who's a lawyer for an organization that is a staunchly conservative Christian organization that is all about homeschool defense. | ||
| That's terrible, because I would listen to MC Chris Clicka instantly. | ||
| I would listen to his mixtape. | ||
| You would not. | ||
| He drops that. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Here's what most of his songs are about. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Those who oppose us, those who are anti-parent and the pro-child forces, and I don't mean that in a positive way, they're trying to take our children through whatever means they can. | |
| Well, let's face it, there's also a big move to take people's children to give it to homosexuals. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So yeah, this is the way this manifested in 2003. | ||
| Yeah, that's not as good of a mixtape as I was hoping. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, that was not the coloring book. | ||
| Yeah, so apparently a lot of this stuff with the schools and the truancy and the punishment, that gets the social services involved and all this, and part of it is that there's a major push to take your kids and give them to homosexuals. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| The homosexual agenda is running amok in 2003, because that is where the edge that the conservative panic is playing. | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| These people are silly children. | ||
| It's so weird to go back into the past. | ||
| And listen to these people and think, you're still allowed to talk, aren't you? | ||
| People still listen to you. | ||
| You listen to that and you're like, really? | ||
| We're doing that back then? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you're still around? | ||
| It's pretty wild. | ||
| How? | ||
| And it's just a conservative edge. | ||
| Grift mill is just so endless. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And it's the same shit! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's the same shit with just slightly different window dressing. | ||
| Yeah, put different little ingredients into the same stew. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| So if you go to the hospital and you're going to give birth, these social service people... | ||
| I'm going to take the... | ||
| Yeah, no, I'm going to steal those kids and I'm going to give them to homosexuals, I believe. | ||
| Very least going to take the kids. | ||
| Yeah, well... | ||
| Yeah, this is worse than the Soviet Union. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| You go in, you have... | ||
| That's how it already is here. | ||
| They're stalking the hospitals. | ||
| They've got plants in there. | ||
| They get a cut. | ||
| And if people look ignorant, man, their kids are gone. | ||
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That's right. | |
| I mean, if you look ignorant, man, it's over. | ||
| They walk in and go, please sign here. | ||
| Well, what are you doing? | ||
| Just work with us so everything will be all right. | ||
| You sign it, they grab your kid and go, I mean, literally. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| I don't know, and Alex does not expound on what it means to look ignorant in this case. | ||
| Yeah, I think we... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I honestly don't know what he means. | ||
| It does not make sense. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| It really doesn't make any sense. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Nope. | ||
| I just don't... | ||
| You know, people listen to that and they don't hear people who are whining like crazy people. | ||
| Like, this is insane. | ||
| Do you know what's going on now? | ||
| I went to the DMV to re-up my license, and instead of giving me a new license, they shit in my mouth. | ||
| They shit directly into my mouth. | ||
| Literally. | ||
| No, they put me down, they held me down, they had me on a gurney, and somebody shit directly into my mouth. | ||
| I have documents. | ||
| They were on a ladder, and it dropped for a while. | ||
| I have a notarized witness's signature. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| You sound ridiculous. | ||
| You're children. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's pretty wild. | ||
| And when you talk about that, it gets into like, okay, well, obviously, Alex nowadays would call them the devil. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's what he would do nowadays. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But in 2003, people who mix that stuff up... | ||
| Oh, they're... | ||
| That's the poison pill. | ||
| It's too far. | ||
| That's how you make the patriots and all this look bad. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So a caller calls in and wants to talk about the social service workers, and he thinks that they are demons. | ||
| Okay, okay, here we go. | ||
| Now here is Alex's response. | ||
| All right. | ||
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When people hear statements that these people are diabolic, they are of the devil, just listening to you talk about the guidelines when you went through your training... | |
| It proves that. | ||
| Your first three guidelines were totally unscriptural, anti-scriptural. | ||
| It goes against the Creator and our instructions for life. | ||
| And they are of the devil. | ||
| And Alex, you're right on the money with that. | ||
| These people are... | ||
| I'm going to be honest. | ||
| I've covered them and been around them. | ||
| And this is a news program, but... | ||
| When you're around them, they really are demonic. | ||
| I mean, these are, at least what I've seen, these are degenerate scum. | ||
| That's all I can say about them. | ||
| That's kind of measured. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're demonic. | ||
| That's an adjective. | ||
| This is a news show. | ||
| Isn't that interesting? | ||
| I do appreciate that. | ||
| He's trying to walk a line. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He knows. | ||
| He knows that, like, I can't. | ||
| Fucking present myself as a guy who's saying that my enemies politically are devils? | ||
| Yeah, I won't be taken seriously. | ||
| I won't be taken seriously. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I have some pretense of wanting to be respected. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I think I might be able to get a show on an actual network at some point. | ||
| Yeah, that is interesting. | ||
| I mean, what's kind of interesting about it is that at the time, I think he's right, you couldn't... | ||
| Be out and out. | ||
| The demons are coming to kill us all. | ||
| Yeah, probably not. | ||
| And people wouldn't take you seriously. | ||
| Well, I think Alex certainly didn't have a big enough career. | ||
| He wasn't a big enough star to be able to absorb whatever blow might come from that. | ||
| And then I would say probably right around what? | ||
| Like the Tea Party movement, whenever they swept in 2010, that's really when it all was like started a change where you could just talk about demons all you want. | ||
| Well, I mean, what is that Hunter S. Thompson quote? | ||
| When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro? | ||
| The weird turn pro, you got it. | ||
| When the normal is the tea party on the right. | ||
| Whatever you are as Alex Jones, you've got to escalate a little bit. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Yeah, I obviously don't know for sure if that is when sort of more overt conversation about demons and shit happened. | ||
| Because I don't think it did. | ||
| I think it was later. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| These people are the fucking devil when we were looking at 2015. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| So I think it might be more recent than that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I find this glimpse at 2003 really, really interesting. | ||
| And this next clip, I think Alex has to stop himself from saying that these people are demons. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And this clip would not stick out to me at all if I didn't know what he does now. | ||
| So what you're telling me is that Like a demon trying to get out, he wants to call these people demons. | ||
| Okay, just putting that out there. | ||
| And so imagine being at the hospital, you've already got your four other kids with family and friends, you're there, your babies are hanging on for life, and literal, I'm sorry, creatures show up. | ||
| and are cornering you with their beady eyes, what parent, frankly, what parent wouldn't probably flip out at that point? | ||
| Doesn't that sound... | ||
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Literal demons! | |
| He was about to say literal demons! | ||
| He was! | ||
| He was about to say literal demons! | ||
| I'm screaming at you through the future! | ||
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You were there the whole time! | |
| Doesn't that sound almost like someone had told him, dude, don't fucking say that you're fighting the devil. | ||
| We need, like Ted Anderson told him, there's no way we're going to be able to sell gold with you yelling about the literal devil. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Because he said, sorry. | ||
| He said, literal, long pause, sorry, creatures. | ||
| Creatures, yep. | ||
| Wild. | ||
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And see, this is a piece of evidence. | |
| Circumstantial, obviously. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Not definitive. | ||
| But it works towards answering the question that I have had for a while, which is... | ||
| Is Alex's I'm fighting the devil thing a new thing? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or is it something that was there underneath and he was pretending that that wasn't what he believed? | ||
| And I kind of think that this looks like... | ||
| It's not smoking gun, but I'll be goddamned if it doesn't really sound like you're on the right track, gumshoe. | ||
| It feels like that is at least a minor indication that Alex... | ||
| Has this idea that his enemies are literal demons. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he was covering that belief up for the sake of appearing respectable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm interested to see if there's any more flickers of indications, but that made me laugh really hard. | ||
| That perks your ears up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't it interesting, too, that that clip would not be... | ||
| At all. | ||
| It wouldn't sound off any alarms unless you knew that 18 years later he's screaming about literal demons everywhere. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| That's so ridiculous. | ||
| Oh, that's annoying. | ||
| I don't like that. | ||
| He's a liar. | ||
| I'm mad at him in the past for lying to me, Dan. | ||
| You should be up front. | ||
| If you think your enemies are literal demons, you should tell me up front. | ||
| Yeah, I think it would be more responsible to the audience. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Don't you tell me that you're hiding that there are literal demons everywhere? | ||
| Because you're supposed to be the truth teller on your own show, and you're pulling back whenever you know that literal demons are killing everybody? | ||
| Don't Trojan horse the literal demons with the talk of the Federal Reserve and all this stuff? | ||
| That's not fair to the audience. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Anyway, Alex is a guy who's against the Iraq War, totally. | ||
| Totally against the Iraq War. | ||
| Absolutely against it. | ||
| Weirdly fine with the idea of deposing Saddam Hussein in this next clip. | ||
| I mean, you gotta... | ||
| I tell you what, I just... | ||
| I can't believe it. | ||
| I can't believe people... | ||
| We had Operation Iraqi Freedom, okay? | ||
| Great. | ||
| Saddam's a thug. | ||
| Great? | ||
| Can't we have Operation American Freedom? | ||
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That's right. | |
| Yeah, why not? | ||
| You know, if Bush wanted to turn all this around, he would, but he didn't. | ||
| He put more funding into the Department of Education and all these other groups, and I... | ||
| Can't we... | ||
| We have the conservative, the real conservative backbone to do it. | ||
| How, Chris, do we... | ||
| Force the Republicans that control everything now to finally get rid of abortion, to finally just axe these social workers. | ||
| How do we do it? | ||
| So apparently we want Operation American Freedom in the mold of Operation Iraqi Freedom. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And that involves getting rid of social workers and abortion. | ||
| There we go. | ||
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Okay. | |
| We did it. | ||
| That is a complex series of steps you need to get to those three things being related to each other at all. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| I don't like these callers. | ||
| I don't like this guest. | ||
| No. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I think these people are literal demons, Dan. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| No! | ||
| I've been hiding that belief this whole time! | ||
| So this caller has some bad things to say. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I'll just say bad things. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
|
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Sitting here listening to Alex. | |
| You asked him a few of the questions he answered for me. | ||
| One aspect about this demonic side of it. | ||
| One place in the scripture where Messiah got very angry, and that was with children. | ||
| He said, you suffer these children to come to me for such is the kingdom of heaven. | ||
| And these people are not letting them come to him. | ||
| They're like doing what Alex said. | ||
| They're learning Islam and all kinds of other multicultural crap. | ||
| It's called math, sir. | ||
|
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Where are you at in Virginia, Chris? | |
| I'm in Virginia. | ||
| Weird question. | ||
| That's a very strange thing. | ||
| That's a very strange thing to hang on. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| Hey, where are you, by the way? | ||
| Yeah, I think that this is a bit more anti-Muslim than I expected it to be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I think the presentation that Alex has is very much like, you know, I had no problem with Islam or anything. | ||
| And I got the sense that his anti-Islam stuff kind of escalated. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And to be fair, that's coming from his caller. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. | ||
| Teaching Islam in the schools? | ||
| Saying that Islam is just multicultural crap? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| Freedom fries. | ||
| Just whatever you want. | ||
| Just fucking shut up. | ||
| Yeah, so this caller wants to know where in Virginia Chris's organization is, and Alex has to stop it. | ||
| Now, I'll tell you, they told my son to find the square root of something. | ||
| Roots are in the backyard, my friend. | ||
| That's devil worship. | ||
| That's what I'm telling you right now. | ||
| Why don't you go find the square root of Bega? | ||
| Get digging. | ||
| Why don't you go find a switch? | ||
| So yeah, they chat about where they are in Virginia and Alex has to be like, guys, we're doing a show. | ||
| What are we doing here? | ||
| Why did you ask him where he was in Virginia? | ||
| So unfortunately, they end up stopping that very pleasant conversation. | ||
| It does sound nice. | ||
| To take another call that might have been a mistake. | ||
|
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Very good guest you got on there today. | |
| I wanted to ask him a couple of questions because I know that there is... | ||
| That when an American becomes a 14th Amendment citizen, our status of law changes because we are no longer sovereign free men and have exercised sovereignty. | ||
| You're talking about privileges instead of rights. | ||
| You only have about a minute left. | ||
| What's your other question? | ||
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Well, I wanted to ask him how he approaches the legal defense standpoint from that particular standpoint. | |
| He got asked this question a year ago on this show, and he said from a constitutional perspective, correct? | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That does not answer the question. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| It seems like there's a fair amount of sovereign citizen callers at this point in Alex's career. | ||
| It is funny, because it seems like he also really doesn't like them. | ||
| Well, I think he recognizes how silly a lot of the arguments are, and how they make it look bad, what he's doing. | ||
| And at the same time, he's making a show that is essentially catering. | ||
| Directly to sovereign citizens. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of... | ||
| Yeah, and actually, I didn't have any clips of this because it was just too all over the place, but a good maybe half hour of this episode is dedicated to Alex arguing with a caller about the Republic of Texas. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| There's this idea that, like, Texas should secede, and he's like, yeah, I tried to support all that stuff, but everybody kept declaring themselves the president. | ||
| It's really funny, but at the same time, there was no way to cut clips in a way that would make it work. | ||
| That's so funny. | ||
| That's so funny. | ||
|
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All right, fine. | |
| I could just declare myself a president. | ||
| Maybe I'm a general. | ||
|
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I don't know who to get in touch with. | |
| And he keeps calling them fruitcakes. | ||
| He uses the term fruitcakes to describe the Republic of Texas people like maybe five or six times. | ||
| Very specific wording. | ||
| Made me think maybe he has a personal beef with somebody. | ||
| It's kind of funny. | ||
| It's a little bit like somebody starting a roller rink and then like... | ||
| Just hating people who roller skate. | ||
| Yeah, or, like, hating people who use, like, inline skates. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
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This is a four-wheel only. | |
| Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The law says I have to let you skate. | ||
| Okay, this is America. | ||
| Not according to the Magna Carta. | ||
| What? | ||
| So, Chris leaves. | ||
| He was not that much of an interesting guest. | ||
| Just kind of, like, very reactionary against social workers. | ||
| Pro-homeschooling. | ||
| Did not drop a mixtape. | ||
| Did not. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Warned everyone about the homosexuals coming to take your children. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Very different. | ||
|
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Cool. | |
| So Alex gets to some headlines, and this one is a load of shit. | ||
| We're back live. | ||
| We're going into a world where if you're a good, decent person, you're an enemy of the state because you're not a criminal. | ||
| They can't trust you. | ||
| You might fight what they're doing. | ||
| You might fight the world they're setting up. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's what happens when the evil are in control. | ||
| Government lawyers say burglars need protection. | ||
| This is London Independent by Robert Verkark. | ||
| Legal affairs correspondent. | ||
| Government lawyers trying to keep the Norfolk farmer Tony Mark behind bars will tell a high court judge tomorrow that burglars are members of the public who must be protected from violent householders. | ||
| So Alex is misrepresenting this case that he's covering to make it appear that the system is now just out to protect criminals and punish the good people, which is code for white Christians. | ||
| Hey, if people aren't committing crimes, you can't trust them. | ||
| So this is an article about Tony Martin, a man from the UK who shot at two young men who were breaking into his house, which resulted in the death of one of them. | ||
| The issue here isn't that Tony was wrong to practice self-defense. | ||
| It's that the court didn't believe that he was acting in self-defense in the shooting. | ||
| The incident happened in 1999, at which point Martin did not have a license for the shotgun he used in the shooting. | ||
| Problem number one. | ||
| He'd lost it five years prior when he supposedly found a man stealing apples from his orchard and proceeded to shoot at him, leaving a hole in the man's vehicle. | ||
| Hey, point of order. | ||
| You, you, no. | ||
| Added to this was Martin's very publicly known hatred of the Romani people, which was referenced in a Guardian article from 2000. | ||
| Apart from thieves, Martin's pet hate was gypsies. | ||
| Norwich Crown Court heard that the farmer had talked of putting gypsies in the middle of a field, surrounding it with barbed wire and machine-gunning them. | ||
| The article goes on to say that Martin had said, quote, Hitler was right about these people, and also points out that Martin's uncle, Andrew Fontaine, was one of the founders of the straight-up fascist National Front. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So he was a Nazi. | ||
| That's more of the problem here. | ||
| The prosecution successfully argued that the shooting was not an act of self-defense, but that Martin had laid in wait and shot these intruders without first giving a warning. | ||
| This wasn't the sort of case that Alex is portraying it to be, where the burglar is hurt by someone practicing legitimate self-defense and then sues the homeowner for it. | ||
| It's a clearly unhinged lunatic with a history of shooting at people with a clearly racist past, using deadly force against intruders to his home who had not presented a mortal danger to him. | ||
| And according to the British courts, that was... | ||
| Not an acceptable use of self-defense. | ||
| Yeah, I'm gonna go with yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so I don't know. | ||
| Alex tries to play this game where it's like, yeah, you know, if someone breaks into your house and they slip on a banana peel, they can sue you. | ||
| No, they can't. | ||
| No, no, they really, really can't. | ||
| You have to kind of go way out of your way to be the one who's convicted of a crime in that scenario. | ||
| And that's what this guy did! | ||
| Yeah, if someone is like... | ||
| Presenting a danger to you, you do have the right to self-defense. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| If someone does not, and they're in your house, you have to tell them to leave before you shoot them dead. | ||
| I would try, I would open with, excuse me. | ||
| That would be, yeah. | ||
| So, Alex has some very interesting, similar problems in his life. | ||
| In 2003, as he does in the present. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| One is that, boy, these calls just don't work out. | ||
| The difference, though, is in 2003, Alex could handle it. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| With grace. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's just go ahead and talk to... | ||
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Let's go ahead and talk to, I guess, Mike in Illinois, and then Tim... | |
| Oh, Tim in Texas is next. | ||
|
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Okay, well, you know what I'm going to do? | |
| I'm going to talk to Mike in Illinois. | ||
|
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Mike in Illinois, are you there? | |
| Okay, he's not there. | ||
| Who did you want me to go to? | ||
| Tim in Texas. | ||
| Alrighty, you're on the air, Tim. | ||
|
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Hey Alex, how you doing? | |
| Pretty good. | ||
| I quit. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That is such a breath of fresh air. | ||
| Just being like, ooh, this is a minor setback, and we're off to the next one. | ||
| I quit! | ||
| Not a big deal. | ||
| We're just going to keep going. | ||
| We're going to rebroadcast. | ||
| Listen, this is annoying, but hey, everybody bear with me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the vibe that I got there. | ||
| Everybody bear with me as opposed to- We're doing a live radio show. | ||
| You've all failed me! | ||
| Yeah, we're doing a live radio show. | ||
| Sometimes there's a little bit of a hiccup. | ||
| This happens. | ||
| Yeah, that's normal. | ||
| That's called professionalism. | ||
| Alex, present day, not normal. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| So, you know, there was that talk with the Texas folks about how they're all weirdos and everyone's the president. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But everybody can secede if they want. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Alex is very pro-secession in 2003. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Indiana, you know, has the right to secede. | ||
| It's not just Texas or Hawaii. | ||
| Texas and Hawaii have stronger cases because from the beginning they never signed the contracts. | ||
| But still, sir, it's a Civil War question. | ||
| They will send federal troops in. | ||
| They will lay siege. | ||
| They will burn cities. | ||
| And the average person... | ||
| People were a hundred times more educated about real politics and liberty in the 1860s than they are now. | ||
|
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That's correct. | |
| But in the 1860s, the Confederacy was full of New World Order moles, was designed to lose from the beginning, was funded by the British to break the country up. | ||
| Both sides were controlled in that. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| So apparently the Confederacy was full of globalists. | ||
| I do... | ||
| I do like how people who study the Civil War so obsessively... | ||
| Change their story all the time. | ||
| Quite frequently, yeah. | ||
| Usually when you study something, you refine it and the story becomes clearer and the picture is easier to understand and you have a full awareness of what's going on. | ||
| New World Order moles. | ||
| Whereas it seems as though their study of the Civil War involves just rewriting it to whatever it is you want it to be at any given point in time. | ||
| Even if it's the same day! | ||
| What if you find something that sounds more fun? | ||
| How can you be Confederate royalty if your royalty is just infiltrated by New World Order globalists? | ||
| But it's not like everybody was New World Order. | ||
| And how is it possible for everyone to be so well-informed when the national rate of reading is like 10%?! | ||
| Listen, the New World Order was running the Confederacy. | ||
|
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Oh, okay. | |
| Fair enough. | ||
| Look, dude. | ||
| False flag Civil War. | ||
|
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Right? | |
| That's pretty much what he said. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He said it was a false flag Civil War. | ||
| Everything is fake. | ||
| Nothing is real except Alex's conviction to the truth. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Wow. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Confederate false flag civil war. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| Should have seen it coming. | ||
| I should have. | ||
| So there's a commercial for the Genesis Communications Network. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| And I think that this... | ||
| I just wanted to play a little bit of it because it sounds really weird. | ||
|
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Is mainstream media telling you everything you should know about the war on terror? | |
| What is our real interest in Iraq and Saddam Hussein? | ||
| Who stands to gain if we give up our freedoms in the name of national security? | ||
| Who's behind the manipulation of our financial markets and why? | ||
| We're the jury. | ||
| You be the judge. | ||
| We're the GCN radio network. | ||
| Are you tired of being lied to by mainstream media? | ||
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Well, so are we. | |
| And we're doing something about it. | ||
| We're the jury, you're the judge? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| We've already decided and you have to pass the sentencing? | ||
| Who's the executioner? | ||
| Double back to we again. | ||
| Also, the jury doesn't talk. | ||
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Aren't you, like, the prosecution? | |
| This metaphor sucks. | ||
| Your Honor, the jury has something to say. | ||
| No! | ||
| No, the jury does not! | ||
| The audience is the jury. | ||
| You do not get to be the jury. | ||
| We're the attorneys. | ||
| You're the jury. | ||
| Somebody on the jury just stands up. | ||
| Hey, I think I can do a better job of this lawyer and shit. | ||
| Get this prosecutor out of here. | ||
| Somebody wrote that because judge, jury, and executioner is an expression. | ||
| It's like, this sounds pretty good. | ||
| Didn't think about it for even one second. | ||
| No. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Good job, GCN. | ||
| Ted probably wrote that. | ||
| So Alex comes back and he's got to be in his bonnet because there's a holiday that Bush... | ||
| Right? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| George W., the evil one? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's got this holiday. | ||
| Well, I mean, they're both evil. | ||
| He's got this holiday, though. | ||
| The whole family's evil, to be honest. | ||
| Dude, it's not about them. | ||
| It's about this holiday. | ||
| It's about the holiday. | ||
| Listen to this one. | ||
| Neocolonialism is the New World Order. | ||
| And they're coming right out with this in mainstream news. | ||
| Oh, don't worry. | ||
| The White House is going to have Loyalty Day. | ||
| Loyalty to the Government Day to be celebrated in all the schools and nationwide. | ||
| That's terrifying. | ||
| And it says our children will be taught that the nation is a force for good in the world, extending hope and freedom to others, being part of the Imperial Army, to grab all natural resources and enslave everyone's children. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Loyalty Day, folks. | ||
| And the person that sent me this email, and I went to the White House and got the actual article written by the White House. | ||
| It said, when do I get my black boots and dagger, you know, like the Nazis? | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| But it sounds real good. | ||
| Loyalty. | ||
| Learning that we're this good force in the world now. | ||
| Loyalty to the government. | ||
| So two things that jumped out at me there. | ||
| The first is that in 2003, Alex is clearly fully aware of the colonial exploitation that is part of our country's history. | ||
| That he completely denies in the present. | ||
| And the second thing that I was thinking is like... | ||
| Man, he would be totally fine with a holiday called Loyalty Day. | ||
| If it was like a nationalist, extreme, right-wing government, everyone had to be loyal to it. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| On Loyalty Day, we have a big military parade. | ||
| Oh, I love Loyalty Day. | ||
| It's my favorite day. | ||
| There's bombs. | ||
| Yeah, if it was his thing. | ||
| What a fucked up thing to have a Loyalty Day. | ||
| Do you know how... | ||
| That's so fucked up. | ||
| It would be like if every morning kids had to go to school and recite some sort of... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Every morning! | ||
| That would be so fucked up. | ||
| That'd be very weird. | ||
| Yeah, Loyalty Day is just one... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, I would be remiss if I didn't point out that Loyalty Day is a holiday that's existed since 1921, and it was an attempt to replace the communist-leaning May Day, or as it's also known, International Workers' Day. | ||
| That holiday marks the date of the Haymarket Riot, which was something that the American government in the early 19... | ||
| We don't want to talk about workers uniting. | ||
| We are still mad there's a weekend. | ||
| So yeah, they didn't want to endorse workers' rights, which of course was communism, and so there was this idea of Loyalty Day coming in on May 1st to take over for May Day. | ||
| The holiday itself didn't catch on until 1955, during the Cold War Red Scare, when Eisenhower made it an official holiday in the United States, and every president since 1958 has recognized and proclaimed the holiday. | ||
| See if you can guess who said this. | ||
| Who said it? | ||
| I gotta go with Clinton. | ||
| Ooh, so close. | ||
|
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Damn. | |
| Oh, it's Trump? | ||
| Shit! | ||
| Every time. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I thought you were trying to trick me. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It was not a trick. | ||
| So the very ideology that created Alex Jones is the same ideology that created the idea of a holiday called Loyalty Day to express loyalty to the United States in the face of a communist menace. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Alex understands so little about the hysteria and insanity that created his political identity that here he is rambling about the direct result of his ideological forefathers and pretending it's some kind of an evil event that Bush wanted to create. | ||
| He's much more palatable and seems happier in 2003, and he doesn't freak out when he can't get to a caller. | ||
| Yeah, it's almost as if... | ||
| Conservative reactionary ideology is essentially an Ouroboros that creates an outrage and then later on gets outraged when their outrage created a thing for them to get outraged about. | ||
| Yeah, and as I understand, in 2017 there was some people who were like, Trump is creating loyalty day. | ||
| Because it is a fucked up holiday. | ||
| It's a fucked up holiday. | ||
| The Pledge of Allegiance shouldn't exist. | ||
| But if you trick yourself into thinking that this is the first one ever or whatever, or you present it that way, then you deprive all the context of it. | ||
| You're just using it as a prop. | ||
| Yeah, and it also seems almost a little insulting, I think. | ||
| To imagine that in whatever year it is, that was the first year they thought of Loyalty Day. | ||
| Listen, we've had plenty of fascists running America for a long time. | ||
| They've thought of Loyalty Day every time workers tried to unite. | ||
| They were like, okay, here's what we gotta do. | ||
| Pledge loyalty to the 120-hour work week. | ||
| That's what they were doing. | ||
| It's the byproduct of anti-communist freakout, and so is Alex. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So stupid. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| So, one of the other differences that I found when I was looking at this episode between present-day Alex and back then is he seems like to understand that movies aren't real. | ||
| At least a little bit. | ||
| Folks, we're in the Twilight Zone! | ||
| Somebody listen to me! | ||
| It's like in the 1950s version of The Body Snackers, you know, where the doctor goes to town, they've taken over, he busts out, he's running, he's in traffic, up the highway, wake up, they're after you! | ||
| We're in danger! | ||
| Somebody listen to us! | ||
| Oh, it's so scary. | ||
| It's like that. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's similar to this media reference. | ||
| It is not the plan, and they were not telling it to you by releasing that movie. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's just a corollary. | ||
| Yeah, there's a disconnect between this idea that's represented in media and reality, as opposed to them merging together in some weird, to use an Alex Jones word, gestalt. | ||
| Yeah, it's nice to hear people know the difference between movies and realities. | ||
| It's comforting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| At least, because when I listen to this, I can be like, alright. | ||
| We all agree that we breathe air. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| We all agree. | ||
| That's there. | ||
| The time moves at a certain fixed... | ||
| There's a basis, yes. | ||
| Entropy is real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| And that's comforting, because I don't feel that in the present. | ||
| I definitely don't. | ||
| It is a real bummer going into the past and finding things that are more positive than the present, because you're like, you want to live in a place where hope exists, but when we do this, we're like, man. | ||
| Isn't that nice? | ||
| And then you remember where it goes, and you're like, ooh, it could happen. | ||
| It could happen to you! | ||
| It could happen to all of us! | ||
| At any point in time, you could just forget how movies work! | ||
| Yeah, that is a little bit scary. | ||
| It's humbling, you know? | ||
| There, but for the grace of literal demons go high. | ||
| We should all be careful to not hide that we secretly think that we're fighting demons. | ||
| If you think you are fighting demons, tell someone. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| If you try to keep it a secret for too long, you turn into Alex Jones. | ||
| You turn into Alex in the present, yeah. | ||
| We've got a perfect example. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| You are what you pretend to be. | ||
| Gotta figure out a way to make an infomercial out of that lesson. | ||
| Not an infomercial. | ||
| What am I thinking of? | ||
| PSA? | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah, PSA. | ||
| So, Alex believes that the U.S. is evil. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But... | ||
| He loves the United States. | ||
| There is a problem there. | ||
| I was listening to this next clip, and I just got confused. | ||
| This is such an evil, evil country. | ||
| I love this country, but when you really face how bad things have gotten, and how there's this icky facade, everything's good, mom and apple pie, patriotism, it's not real. | ||
| It's as fake as those plastic Chinese flags. | ||
| It's as fake as the boxes that said, Made in USA and St. Louis, when Bush gave that speech with the Made in China taped over. | ||
| It is a rotten facade. | ||
| Under it is maggots and rotten meat. | ||
| The stench of this thing is just everywhere. | ||
| It's freaking me out! | ||
| We've got to warn people. | ||
| We've got to stand up for America. | ||
| We've got to fight for this country. | ||
| I just love this country so much. | ||
| I love my family so much, and I can't believe we let it get to this. | ||
| When Alex fake cries in 2003, he's doing a Clinton impression. | ||
| I was like, is that Phil Hartman doing Clinton? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that a wonder? | ||
| I really heard Phil Hartman there. | ||
| Yeah, when he's faking emotion, he sounds like a bad Clinton. | ||
| Now, Bill, I think that you're doing a great job. | ||
| We gotta warn people. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| It's so silly. | ||
| So I thought that was weird. | ||
| And I thought that was like a completely artificial presentation of emotion and sincerity. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| But I started to think like, okay, so there's some patriotism and apple pie and all this is a facade. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And underneath it is just rotting maggots and what have you. | ||
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Sure. | |
| What do you love then? | ||
| A facade. | ||
| What do you think he loves? | ||
| It's right there in the title! | ||
| But if he's saying that this country's evil, but he loves it, but it's a rotten thing with a fake lid on it, is he just saying I love the lid? | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| He likes the lid. | ||
| Why not make the whole plane out of the black box, Dan? | ||
| What do you not understand? | ||
| I don't fully understand what it is that he's hoping to save. | ||
| If it's rotting underneath with a fake top, it seems like you'd expose the... | ||
| You'd take the lid off and you'd realize, uh-oh. | ||
| Yeah, maybe we should go. | ||
| I don't need what's in this rotting. | ||
| It seems weird. | ||
| I don't feel fully that I understand yet from listening to this what it is that's like, what isn't rotten that needs to be saved. | ||
| I mean, I would guess that it's guns. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Property rights. | ||
| Loyalty to your country. | ||
|
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No. | |
| Absolutely not. | ||
|
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Not yet. | |
| Hating... | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Whites only? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't have a full grasp of Alex's entire policy set in 2003 yet. | ||
| I think I understand a lot of stuff through the prism of listening to thousands of hours of his other content, but there's going to be some stuff that's going to be surprising, and I don't want to make too many assumptions. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I was listening to that clip and thinking about... | ||
| All the stories of people who listened to him at this time period and were kind of drawn in by that. | ||
| And I was thinking about my understanding of politics at that time. | ||
| Like, as the Iraq War is going on... | ||
| It totally felt like I was the first person to discover how evil America was. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| It was like I had been told all of this stuff all the way up until I'm 16 years old. | ||
| And then the Iraq War happens and they're like, maybe you should read what real history is and not your school stuff. | ||
| And then it really did feel like, oh man, this is before red pilling became the meme that it was, but it did feel like that. | ||
| And then you listen to Alex go like, this is a rotting thing, and you can really get that sense of like, yeah, that's how I feel. | ||
| I don't have sophisticated political opinions yet, I just know that this is some bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| On a pretty surface level, there's a presentation that is almost... | ||
| Perfect for exploiting disillusionment. | ||
| And that is definitely a period where there's a lot of people who are feeling alienated and disillusioned from the world as they had been brought up to understand it. | ||
| And I think that you and I, though we're a few years apart, we're both... | ||
| You know, men of a certain age when the Iraq war happened. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, we were not wild hogs yet. | ||
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We were youth. | |
| Yes. | ||
| And that's a period where people are generally, they go through a period of disillusionment. | ||
| Yeah, of course, of course. | ||
| And to have that compounded by something as huge as 9-11 and the Iraq war. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Yeah, it's something where, you know, those feelings that you're having... | ||
| You could see them mirrored in something like Alex talking about the rotten core and the facade over it. | ||
| You could see that and you could gravitate towards that. | ||
| And it's interesting to think about how much goes along with it that you might not realize that you're also accepting. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Like, that homosexuals want to take your children. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's how liberals got tricked into thinking he wasn't an arch conservative. | ||
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No, totally. | |
| I mean, you're driving. | ||
| You're listening to this. | ||
| You're on a 20-minute drive, right? | ||
| You pop on InfoWars because you're like, I'm disillusioned, and this guy's pretty funny, and... | ||
| And you only get 20 minutes where he's doing the anti-Iraq war stuff, and you don't listen to the half hour he does with the gays are coming to steal your children. | ||
| Or arguing about the Republic of Texas. | ||
| Yeah, exactly! | ||
| You could totally be sucked into that. | ||
| It's much more believable. | ||
| The notion of him having a large audience, if you listen to it in the presence, like, what the fuck? | ||
| What in God's name? | ||
| Yeah, it's much more believable when you look back at this. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| He's not petulantly having outbursts all the time. | ||
| The presentation of emotion is generally within where he would want it to be to make a point. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He's still got that dynamic range of he can get it up there high, but it's not out of control. | ||
| Although it is silly that when he's feigning sincerity, he sounds like Clinton. | ||
| That is a little bit weird. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, that was very strange. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, you know, the Civil War was a false flag. | ||
| We learned this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it also, it turns out that, you know, in grocery stores, they're putting in these self-checkout lines. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| That's how they steal your children, right? | ||
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Well... | |
| Eventually. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But first, they're going to transition these self-checkout lanes into fingerprint scanners, where you're going to have to have some sort of a Mark of the Beast or whatever in order to buy groceries. | ||
| We're never not going to do Mark of the Beast. | ||
| I want to be done with Mark of the Beast. | ||
| Can't we do... | ||
| I'm telling you, we've just got to be done with it. | ||
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Can't do it. | |
| They're going to do this biometric scanning stuff at the grocery store, and then you're going to have some sort of a Christian who's going to go bomb a biometric scanning thing. | ||
| Sure, naturally. | ||
| But it will be a false flag. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right? | ||
| This is presaging our people are going to bomb 5G towers and it's going to be a false flag. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| This is not inevitable, but you have to lead the charge. | ||
| You have to go boycott HEB and Kroger and Safeway when they put thumb scanners in. | ||
| Or self-checkout lanes. | ||
| Because they put in the self-checkout lane first, then they tear out all the lanes and make you thumb scan. | ||
| It's already happening. | ||
| Home Depot, they're all starting it. | ||
| We're still doing it. | ||
| They put in self-checkers, and about six months later, they put in a thumb scanner. | ||
| And they get rid of all the employees, make you do your own bagging. | ||
| But that's a sub-reason why we're against it. | ||
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What? | |
| We're really against this because of the taxation, the control, the tracking. | ||
| If you go and you protest and you fight it now, we can stop it. | ||
| You wait until it goes in everywhere, folks. | ||
| Then the government's going to blow stuff up and claim there's a Christian right-wing group that's against the biometrics. | ||
| And so if you're protesting it, you must be really with this group. | ||
| That's going to be the plan there. | ||
| I hate to give them ideas, but... | ||
| They already have the idea. | ||
| I can tell where they're going. | ||
| That's what they're going to do. | ||
| You're against pro-abortion stuff? | ||
| It turned out the feds have done all the bombings, folks. | ||
| It's always the government. | ||
| One guy actually did some that admitted he did, and we don't know if he's mind-controlled or not. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| We're talking about... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't know what abortion clinic bomber Alex is talking about there, but like, yeah, okay, so all the abortion clinic attacks that have happened, it's all the feds. | ||
| Except for that one guy, and we don't know if he's mind-controlled. | ||
| We don't even know if he's mind-controlled. | ||
| So it could still be the fence. | ||
| That one's on the fence. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| That's as close as I get to admitting that it could possibly not be a false flag. | ||
| Everything's fake. | ||
| That one's on the fence. | ||
| That's the thing that I find really exhausting about this glimpse into 2003 is, like, everybody is a fucking communist and everything is fake. | ||
| He's talking about, like, all kinds of folks. | ||
| Joe Scarborough is an ultra-communist. | ||
| Well, that's turned out to be a prophetic prediction there. | ||
| Who's the other person that he labeled a communist on this episode? | ||
| Fuck, I can't remember. | ||
| It was another right-wing guy. | ||
| I can't get over the pettiness of, like, look. | ||
| Oh, no, it was Chris Matthews. | ||
| Chris Matthews is an ultra-communist. | ||
| He's an ultra-communist, obviously. | ||
| No, I just love the, like, they're putting finger scanners in there. | ||
| They're going to do all this shit. | ||
| Second problem, I don't want to do my own bagging. | ||
| Side issue. | ||
| That's a side issue. | ||
| I'm putting that in there. | ||
| I know it seems petty right now compared to the fingerprint scanner. | ||
| That is not the Patriot's main complaint. | ||
| It is a complaint. | ||
| We do not want to bag our own groceries. | ||
| It is inconvenient. | ||
| I always put the eggs in first, and then they break. | ||
| I only ever get ten eggs. | ||
| I've never been trained on how to bag things. | ||
| These people have training. | ||
| Yeah, silly. | ||
| Also, great prediction that they put in the self-checkout stuff and then the next thing is a thumb scanner. | ||
| I don't think that I've ever scanned my thumb at the grocery store. | ||
| I've never scanned my thumb at a grocery store. | ||
| I would almost prefer it to scanning a credit card. | ||
| Eight years on, self-checkout. | ||
| Pretty ubiquitous. | ||
| Thumb scanning. | ||
| Not even really in the conversation, I don't think. | ||
| And most people's problem with self-checkout line isn't doing your own bagging. | ||
| It's when you get stuck behind somebody who shouldn't be using the self-checkout line. | ||
| When they have too many items. | ||
| Well, not just that. | ||
| Whenever they're clearly not bagging material, if you will. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't have many complaints about self-checkout. | ||
| I kind of take everything in stride. | ||
| Sure you do. | ||
| So, yeah, everything's a false flag. | ||
| There's going to be Christian groups that are going to bomb biometric places, and it's going to be all fake. | ||
| All of these predictions have been fantastic. | ||
| Alex Jones is constantly right about everything. | ||
| I'm going to be real mad when we do start getting those biometric chips, because there are biometric things and little augments that you can have. | ||
| You can put little electromagnets in your fingers and stuff like that. | ||
| Sooner or later, we're going to have an implantable chip of some sort. | ||
| I think there are some that are available now. | ||
| I know, but one that will be that iPod moment of an implantable chip, where all of a sudden this thing didn't exist, and then it's everywhere. | ||
| And it should be called the Mark of the Beast. | ||
| I think it's possible that that technology will go along that line, but it's equally possible that it doesn't. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if there will be an iPod moment like that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But it better be called the Mark of the Beast. | ||
| We got Soylent. | ||
| That's real. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And we don't talk about it. | ||
| When did Soylent start? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But it became real, so why not the Mark of the Beast? | ||
| You gotta find that episode of Alex's show. | ||
| He's gotta be furious about that. | ||
| Would he be furious about that? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That would be fun. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Next thing you know, this guy is gonna be starting a business where he has robot trash trucks. | ||
| Go get the bodies. | ||
| Any moment now, they're gonna have implantable chips and it's gonna be called the Mark of the Beast. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've been taking the piss out of Alex a little bit on this episode. | ||
| Really just sort of mocking. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Some of this is stupid. | ||
| It is. | ||
| But you have to recognize Alex Jones is a hero. | ||
| And in this last clip, we learn about something that maybe isn't in the history books, but it should be. | ||
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Alex saved a lot of lives. | |
| You laugh. | ||
| You laugh. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Okay. | ||
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Where'd we save all these lives, Dan? | |
| You gotta stand up for this country. | ||
| And you gotta do it now. | ||
| They're trying to pass hate crimes legislation. | ||
| But it's just like the smallpox shot. | ||
| The truth was out on that, grassroots, the people refused, and now the government launching a smallpox attack, which they were planning to do, guaranteed, has been stalled. | ||
| They didn't do it! | ||
| Alex stopped a smallpox attack by publicizing information about smallpox attacks. | ||
| He stopped it. | ||
| I mean, look, he said it. | ||
| Obviously, it's true. | ||
| He saved so many lives. | ||
| You mock. | ||
| You sit here and you laugh at a hero. | ||
| I do see some of the benefits of having a narcissistic personality disorder in that you can't invent your own crises to become the hero of. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| That is nice. | ||
| I've never felt like a hero. | ||
| Quite in the way of saving millions of people from the small town. | ||
| Maybe you should pretend that you stopped a small town. | ||
| I really think that would probably make me feel better. | ||
| I mean, if you're doing a pro-con kind of analysis of your career, and the pros are things like that, you can make that for a lot of cons. | ||
| I'm a hero. | ||
| I've saved the world ten times over. | ||
| No matter how many things you've bungled, it's kind of easy to convince yourself it's a net positive when you have fake smallpox outbreaks. | ||
| It's all worth it because I saved the world from a smallpox attack. | ||
| Love that kind of stuff. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| So this was a little bit of a fun trip to 2003 in order to, you know, get our toes back in the water for what will probably be an unpleasant present day episode on Friday. | ||
| Almost certainly disgusting nonsense spouted by a monster. | ||
| Not looking forward to it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it will happen. | ||
| It's gonna. | ||
| Now, I think if I had to sum this up, like, the reason that I thought that this episode was, like, really key. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's that moment where Alex says literal sorry. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| When he stops himself from saying literal demons, it's so important. | ||
| It's right there, yeah. | ||
| It is. | ||
| If we can demonstrate, if we can find more instances of Alex stopping himself from talking about the literal devil in the past, my mind's gonna be blown. | ||
| So you're saying that you're gonna be the jury and I'll be the judge. | ||
| And then the audience will be the executioners? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know how this works. | ||
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We will be court reporters. | |
| Okay. | ||
| And the audience could be an audience. | ||
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How about that? | |
| Can I be the stenographer? | ||
| I want to play with one of those tickety-tack machines. | ||
| You can't type fast enough. | ||
| Oh, come on. | ||
| So yeah, we'll be back on Friday with another A episode. | ||
| But until then, Jordan, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Go to bed, Jordan! | ||
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| We are Facebook! | ||
| iTunes! | ||
| If you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work right now. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX, Clark, I'm Daryl Rundis. | ||
| I invented Liberty Day. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |