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April 9, 2021 - Knowledge Fight
01:26:06
#547: April 8, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan check in with Alex Jones in the aftermath of him pretending to have saved some children from human smugglers. In this installment, Alex makes escalates the situation even further, and talks to a clearly unhinged Ted Nugent.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
12:33
d
dan friesen
42:02
j
jordan holmes
20:00
Appearances
r
rocco nugent
02:24
s
sheila gunn reid
02:43
t
ted nugent
02:42
Clips
j
joe biden
00:06
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, knowledge.
I love you.
world knowledge fight knowledge fight.com i love you Hey, everybody.
dan friesen
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Damn.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, is, uh, hey, I finally got an appointment to get a vaccine.
unidentified
Yay!
jordan holmes
Thank you.
Very exciting.
dan friesen
I've been past due in terms of the groupings and what have you, and I've been trying to find a place where I can go get a shot, and I'm finally, as people are listening to this, it comes out on Friday.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
I'm going tomorrow to get my shot, so I'm excited about that.
jordan holmes
I'm very excited about that.
dan friesen
Excited on embarking on this next chapter of life.
jordan holmes
We're free!
Or something.
Approximating it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And also as a sort of byproduct of this bright spot...
I don't know if there's going to be any kind of side effects, like a fever or tiredness or anything.
And so in the interest of that, I'm going to give myself the weekend for just self and rest.
jordan holmes
Recuperation.
dan friesen
And so our Monday episode will actually come out on Wednesday.
We're going to push that back just for the sake of...
jordan holmes
Safety, better safe than sorry, etc.
dan friesen
I'd like to sit around and drink some tea, maybe, or something.
jordan holmes
If there's anything that the pandemic has taught us, it's maybe be overly cold.
Cautious from time to time.
dan friesen
Yeah, you know, I want to be like that image of what my parents thought I was doing when I stayed home from school sick.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's just watching The Price is Right like everybody else does.
dan friesen
Just sipping soup.
jordan holmes
Just sitting there with a little blanket on.
Just broth.
dan friesen
Letting those fumes open up my pores and my sinuses.
Yeah, you got it.
Yeah, so that's exciting.
jordan holmes
That's wonderful.
We're all very excited.
Great spot, Dan, is Godspeed, You Black Emperor.
dan friesen
Yeah, you were telling me it's a new album.
jordan holmes
And it is spectacular.
It is so good.
They're on like...
Almost 25 years as a band or something.
They're incredible.
It's fantastic.
They still got it, Dan.
dan friesen
I feel like you and I were supposed to do something and you couldn't because you had to listen to the album.
jordan holmes
I was too busy listening to Godspeed.
dan friesen
Hey, work can't get done.
unidentified
Sorry.
jordan holmes
Look, I would love to help, but Godspeed released a new album, so I'm going to have to listen to this 40-minute opus.
dan friesen
I understand.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I understand.
So, Jordan, today we have an interesting little bit.
I don't know if you've been able to keep unaware of some of the news.
jordan holmes
Some of it I have been unable to stay unaware of.
dan friesen
Alright, so we'll get into some of that.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
Before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello and thank you to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
First, this person, J.D.O.
J.D.O.
I don't know how to pronounce that.
jordan holmes
Sure.
J.D.O.
dan friesen
They also were kind enough to mention, tell me about an event that's coming up in Oklahoma where all kinds of weirdos are speaking, and man, I want to go.
I believe Mike Adams has given a speech.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
dan friesen
I really would like to go, but I don't think I'm going to be able to make it.
But anyway, thank you, J.D.O.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
You're now a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you!
dan friesen
Next!
unidentified
Oi!
dan friesen
Harkin!
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
unidentified
Oi!
jordan holmes
Hawken!
dan friesen
This person also wanted me to give a shout-out to the Knowledge Fighters.
Apparently there's a Discord server?
Is that what it's called?
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
Discord is beyond me.
dan friesen
Yeah, me too.
But there's apparently a place where listeners of the show congregate and chat up, and I've heard it's a lot of fun.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's great!
That's really great that I'm just now finding out!
dan friesen
Next, Justice for Nonc.
Thank you so much.
You're on Our Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Thank you.
jordan holmes
And that is our rallying cry, Dan.
dan friesen
Next, P. Biggs.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, P. Biggs.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Dirk Querdinker.
Dirk Querdinker.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Dirk Querdinker.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
I think they said that they wanted me to mispronounce it.
jordan holmes
Mispronounce it?
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Next, Zaprodozer.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
Thank you so much, Zaprodozer!
dan friesen
Rose Dozer.
jordan holmes
Zaprodozer.
unidentified
Apologies.
jordan holmes
I only hear Zap Brannigan in my head, so that's what I got.
dan friesen
Next, Jux definitely killed his daughter.
Chuck Norris wasn't wearing a wig.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And finally, I'd like to say thank you and give a shout-out to a new technocrat.
Thank you so much.
Treadmark, you are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare info war on you.
dan friesen
Thanks so much, Treadmark.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much, Treadmark.
dan friesen
Treadmark also wanted me to give a shout out to a Reddit board.
Ah, shit.
I forgot the name of it.
jordan holmes
R. The Donald, I believe, was the one that he really wanted to get out there.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, there's been some news.
jordan holmes
Yes, Dan.
dan friesen
So, I'd been all ready to go back to 2003 for today's episode, have some fun, learning about the past and what have you.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But then at the last minute, all my plans got thrown into whack.
jordan holmes
As is always the case.
dan friesen
Alex went down to the border.
He was looking for a soul to steal.
And on Wednesday, he released a video of himself accosting somebody.
Who was transporting some children, possibly recklessly, in the back of a station wagon.
Sure.
Alex, or maybe it was more of a van.
I don't know.
I don't know car types.
Anyway, Alex and his associates yell at the guy driving the car about how he's been caught smuggling people.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And it is a huge mess.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
I don't know what all the details of the situation are at this point, but I do know that I don't believe for a second that Alex and his dumb posse found someone just smuggling children casually.
I'm going to wait to dig into this until there's a little bit more public information because I can see this going a couple different directions.
And honestly, Alex better keep his fingers crossed because it looks like a couple things in that video that he released could be crimes.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's not good.
dan friesen
He's sitting there banging on the roof of a car trying to physically stop it from leaving, which could be a problem.
He's...
Acting in ways that some might interpret as defamatory.
jordan holmes
I mean, it does a little bit sound like Alex Jones just started attacking Clark Griswold on the way to the fucking theme park.
dan friesen
I'm not a legal expert, but it really looks like this video is an open and shut case of defamation against a charity that is alleged to be involved in this smuggling.
This is Catholic Charities RGV.
Their address and signs are clearly shown in the video.
And the accusation is very clear from Alex's actions that this charity is essentially a front for smuggling.
jordan holmes
That's probably defamatory.
dan friesen
This organization is the Catholic Charities of the Rio Grande Valley.
And the specific building that Alex was staking out was the Humanitarian Crisis Relief Center that they began operating last summer.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
According to their website, this is at the Sacred Heart Catholic Church in McAllen, Texas, and quote, the center provides a place for the countless men, women, and children, and infant refugees to rest, have a warm meal, a shower, and change into clean clothing, as well as receive medicine and So Alex was like...
unidentified
Quick!
jordan holmes
Someone's acting Christ-like!
Destroy them!
dan friesen
Yep.
If you look into this specific charity, it becomes a little interesting that Alex would choose this one to focus on.
The organization was started by a nun named Sister Norma Pimentel, who was a very fierce public critic of Trump's border policies.
To her credit, she was also a vocal opponent of Obama's policies, but that probably doesn't matter to Alex.
She wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post in February 2020 titled, quote, President Trump, don't ignore the suffering at the border caused by your policies.
In 2019, she was invited to participate in what was called a roundtable conversation.
That one was called...
jordan holmes
Back in the habit, I believe.
dan friesen
Sister Pimentel was disappointed by what she experienced as she discussed in an interview with Texas Monthly.
That is unsurprising.
Very recently, in March 2021, she was featured in an article in the Rio Grande Guardian that begins like this.
Quote, the executive director of Catholic Charities of the Rio Grande Valley thanks God for President Biden's decision to reverse the Trump administration's migrant Sister Norma Pimentel...
It says it's God's plan to have asylum requests of unaccompanied minors from Central America fully processed in the United States.
Sure.
Mere days ago, on April 4th, Sister Pimentel was interviewed on Face the Nation, where she discussed how Biden's changes to Trump's policies have changed her work.
jordan holmes
Okay, so you're saying that a few days ago, just a few days, perhaps even, what?
One or two days before this incident occurred.
dan friesen
Right around.
jordan holmes
The person who began or started the very charity that Alex Austin and defamed was on TV.
dan friesen
And also been a long-time public critic of Trump's policies.
And again, for the sake of giving it up for moral clarity and consistency, was also a critic of Obama's policies and is a critic of these new policies not going far enough.
But in as much as they are representative of progress in the areas that she works in, she is congratulatory of them.
jordan holmes
So what you have just told me is that this was a completely extemporaneous event.
Alex was wandering around and heard the call to action.
dan friesen
No, but here's the thing.
jordan holmes
Instinctively ran to stop this human trafficking from occurring.
dan friesen
No, but here's the thing.
I can totally believe he doesn't know any of this.
jordan holmes
I actually can't totally believe that, too.
It could totally be a coincidence.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I was looking into this charity and, like, trying to understand a little bit more about it and, like, all these things.
Like, oh, this is a person who's in a...
Someone who Alex absolutely would target.
jordan holmes
Oh, despise, yeah.
dan friesen
But at the same time, I can totally see this just being a situation where...
He went to McAllen, Texas, was hanging out outside waiting for the optics to be right, then he created a scene, did a publicity stunt, and blah blah blah, here we go.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds about right.
dan friesen
But...
Better hope this doesn't go to court, because I think you could make a pretty compelling case that Alex has a reason to have animus towards this organization based on their political differences.
jordan holmes
I'm struggling to live in a world where a judge might disagree with me on what is very clearly an open and shut case.
I don't like living in a world where a judge is like, well, if you interpret that, no, no, no, no, this is too obvious.
dan friesen
So I don't really care to deconstruct this.
video in and of itself because it's just Alex yelling at a guy in a car.
jordan holmes
It's great.
dan friesen
On April 8th, the Catholic Charities released a statement hoping to clarify the various defamatory claims made by Alex.
The response makes total sense.
Fuck that guy!
The only thing that I think is missing is a threat of legal action.
But again, this is up to everybody themselves to deal with on their own terms and decide whether they want to go through that rigmarole and that public embarrassment and difficulty.
unidentified
It will be Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I would wish it on Alex, though.
So, never mind.
I would wish that on my worst enemy.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I wouldn't wish whatever the person suing him would have to go through.
All the difficulty.
Yeah.
I understand why some people are reluctant to...
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
But, boy, this seems like a pretty easy case.
jordan holmes
Shouldn't take too long to work its way through the courts.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I can imagine Alex giving a...
Blustery speech about how he'll fight this or die.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then a week later issuing a public apology.
unidentified
Listen, I don't want to get in the way of nuns doing all their business.
dan friesen
Love nuns.
jordan holmes
Nuns are good people.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Did you see Sister Act 2 back in the habit?
This is how I'm going to poach Jordan's joke.
jordan holmes
It was pretty great.
dan friesen
So yeah, I don't want to talk about that video in and of itself, but what I thought might be interesting is seeing what happens on the 8th, because this is Thursday.
This is after he's had the social media flare-up over this video.
jordan holmes
Sure, he's had his moment.
dan friesen
It's been posted.
We went all kinds of viral and stuff.
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, I wanted to see where he was at on the 8th.
jordan holmes
Sure, let's see what happens.
dan friesen
So here's another context drop from this show.
jordan holmes
I'm not okay!
alex jones
And is anybody the good guy in Ukraine?
They've been killing each other for so long, Eastern and Western Ukraine.
It's like the Bathcocks and McCoys.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Is anybody the bad guy in Ukraine is a dark question to ask.
dan friesen
Well, you're focusing on a different part than I'm focusing on.
jordan holmes
I understand that.
dan friesen
The halfcocks and the McCoys?
jordan holmes
I don't know what to do with the halfcocks and the McCoys.
I just heard that and stroked out.
dan friesen
I know that people misspeak and whatever, and I'm not a nitpicker, but this is an out-of-context drop, first of all.
And second of all, if there's anything that Alex's persona should know a lot about.
jordan holmes
Oh, the Hatfields and the McCoys?
Yeah, you think so?
unidentified
Not the half-asses in the McCoy?
dan friesen
Yikes.
unidentified
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
Now I want to start a gang called the Halfcocks and just never explain the name.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
People are just like, why do they call them the Halfcocks?
dan friesen
Yeah, we should get windbreakers.
jordan holmes
Unrelated to this conversation entirely.
unidentified
That was just a random thought.
jordan holmes
We should just get windbreakers.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So here we're going to start here on April 8th.
And I will say, it seems like Alex isn't even thinking about the border, this video, anything.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
The alarm bells are hitting.
China has now, with aircraft carriers and over 100 ships, large ships, thousands totaled, encircled Taiwan and has heavy bombers flying over it.
The Taiwanese say they may start firing missiles any minute.
That was this morning, last night there.
All hell is breaking loose.
The Russians are massing troops on the edge of Ukraine because Biden's sending in heavy weapons, and there are major artillery battles going on.
Between proxy U.S. and Russian forces, and we are not the good guys in this.
dan friesen
So we got a world war coming together here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does sound pretty much the canary in the coal mine.
dan friesen
This seems to be the line that Alex is taking now, which I find interesting, because a couple days prior he was really going hard on this Spars documentary.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And then he went to the border and did a giant publicity stunt.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And now it's world war.
jordan holmes
Now we're moving on.
dan friesen
This is confusing.
jordan holmes
I hear...
dan friesen
This is chaotic.
jordan holmes
What I am hearing while he speaks is the advice of a lawyer in his ear going, don't explain.
Anything about that, talk about something else.
Do you remember what happened with the million-dollar bounty?
Do you remember?
dan friesen
Oh, no, I mean, you're wrong about that, but it's weird that he starts the show like this.
He does get into the video eventually.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, well, of course.
dan friesen
So if there's a lawyer in his ear, he forgets about it very quickly.
jordan holmes
You've got to keep the lawyer in there at all times.
dan friesen
I think that one of the reasons that Alex is going on and starting his show, sort of leading with this idea about world war and all this, is because that day, Biden was giving...
Sure.
Sure.
And that fits more in those sets of narratives.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I'll make more clear what I mean a little bit later as we go through.
But the beginning of this show and a large portion of the top of it is Alex playing Biden's speech and then just sort of rambling over it.
joe biden
Thank you for having the courage.
alex jones
He cares so much about violence.
That's why Obama funded the Arab Spring.
Fast and furious, killed millions.
Senator Blumenthal understands it.
A lot of the folks out here understand it.
He transshipped weapons to terrorism.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe biden
To turn pain into purpose and demand that we take the action and give the media.
alex jones
He's a gun-running communist Chinese criminal.
Yeah, enough of you fucking terrorists, you drug-dealing pedophile!
dan friesen
Oh boy, so it's that.
It's that for a while.
jordan holmes
He's interrupting like Joe Biden is the highwayman.
dan friesen
It's a little annoying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's frustrating.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he keeps insisting that Fast and Furious is the silver bullet that will take down the...
O 'Biden administration.
unidentified
Ooh.
jordan holmes
How long did it take to get there?
It seems like that should have happened way earlier.
dan friesen
He kept calling Biden Obama, and then...
jordan holmes
And then he just put it together.
dan friesen
Yeah, for a while he's been calling...
jordan holmes
That's so frustrating.
dan friesen
Oh, the reason I keep calling him Obama is because it's O 'Biden.
jordan holmes
He's still running.
O 'Biden was right there, guys.
It was right there.
It's not hard to get there.
dan friesen
Nope.
This is Alex doing his level best at being Rush.
jordan holmes
This is why the...
Right is terrible at comedy.
They can't even pick up found jokes.
Terrible.
dan friesen
I would say that if Alex were to get sued over this video where he is, you know, in my opinion, probably defaming this charity.
jordan holmes
Yeah, almost certainly.
dan friesen
One of his best defenses might be that, like, eh, not many people saw it.
You know, it's no big deal.
Unfortunately, here he is bragging.
jordan holmes
See, now there's where we get into trouble.
alex jones
And then what happened yesterday?
Two days ago.
We put out the video that has probably 50 million views.
I mean, it's just everywhere.
And the smuggling going on, it's all illegal.
He didn't sign an executive order.
He didn't pass a law.
He didn't repeal a law.
He just said, surge us before he even stole the election.
And then now he congratulates them on the great job they've done.
And then there's the, quote, Catholic charity that's run by the Democratic Party.
unidentified
Quote!
alex jones
Just one of the facilities there in McAllen, Texas.
And there they are loading little kids in to a trunk like luggage.
And we stop them.
The police say, yeah, what you're doing is illegal.
Take them out.
They go inside.
We catch more cars doing it.
We haven't even put that footage out.
dan friesen
I don't think you will.
No.
unidentified
I suspect that that footage is not forthcoming.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
We'll see, though.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, he's just bragging about how many people saw this, which I think works against his eventual probable argument that he's going to need to make.
He's not good at this.
jordan holmes
He's not good at this.
Yeah.
unidentified
This is not good.
dan friesen
But then again, if he doesn't get sued and there's no legal trouble, then I guess he...
jordan holmes
Whee!
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex has this bee in his bonnet about the idea that people are saying that he staged this whole thing.
He went down to the border and he staged it.
jordan holmes
Well, it seems like he didn't capture a coyote so much as found people who were doing exactly what they said they were going to be doing and accosted them.
alex jones
And then Hal does...
Literally dozens of national newspapers said, Jones probably staged this, there are no crisis.
Yeah, I staged the McAllen police.
I staged the kids being put in the trunk.
I mean, if I could stage something like that with a $100 million budget, I would be better than...
jordan holmes
Is Joe Rogan going to pay for it?
alex jones
The top directors out there.
dan friesen
Alex couldn't think of one director.
jordan holmes
Spielberg, no, he's a globalist.
Scorsese, no, he's a globalist.
dan friesen
Quentin Tarantino, I hate him.
jordan holmes
I hate that guy.
Rian Johnson, no, I wasn't a fan of The Last Jedi.
What else do we got?
dan friesen
I'm still bitter that I wasn't in Guardians of the Galaxy.
jordan holmes
James Cod, yeah.
unidentified
Add that one into the list.
jordan holmes
All he's got is Clint Eastwood!
dan friesen
Probably.
So, the media didn't say this about Alex.
On April 7th, I couldn't find any media outlets even really covering this publicity stunt.
Any actual media outlets.
I mean, there was like a Gateway Pundit article.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But there were a bunch of random people tweeting about it.
And I think that Alex is just pretending that random tweets saying that he probably staged the video is the same thing as...
Dozens of media outlets and national newspapers covering it.
unidentified
What is new media other than tweets going national, man?
dan friesen
That's new media.
I think I've come up with this equation, and that is random tweets plus narcissism equals literally dozens of national newspapers.
jordan holmes
That's a good equation.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that's what's going on.
So Alex is saying that everybody's saying that he just made this up and he staged it, and it's like back in 2009 when he covered Bilderberg, man, and everybody said that he was making it up.
alex jones
And the New York Times said it did not exist and that I was having a full schizophrenic breakdown in the parking lot.
That's because back then, folks, Bilderberg didn't exist.
Within two years...
It was all over the news, because back then the Drudge Report was not, I guess, run by CNN.
I was told that CNN bought it two years ago.
I didn't believe it.
It looks like it's true.
But the real Drudge, back when Drudge actually owned it, exposed all that.
dan friesen
This is so fucking stupid.
A quick search will disprove the idea that the media claimed that Bilderberg didn't exist until 2008.
I'm sorry, I said 2009 earlier.
When Alex and Drudge exposed it.
For instance, there's a September 2005 article in the BBC titled, quote, Inside the Secret of Bilderberg Group.
Or you could look at John Ronson's 2001 book, Them, Adventures with Extremists, excerpts of which were published in The Guardian, and it was accompanied by the release of his TV show, Secret Rulers of the World, which featured an episode where he and Alex Jones go to Bohemian Grove, and the other episode of it was about the Bilderberg Group.
jordan holmes
No tweets at the time.
dan friesen
Oh, there's also a reference to the Bilderberg meetings in a 1999 Wired article that you can easily find.
jordan holmes
Alright, alright.
dan friesen
When Alex said that the media said that he was imagining the whole thing, what he means is that no one accepted his imaginary framing of real-life events.
People didn't say that the meeting or the group itself didn't exist, just that the stories that Alex was selling his audience about them didn't stand up to scrutiny.
That's the accusation.
Not that he made up the Bilderberg group.
jordan holmes
Excuse me, Alex.
You're full of shit can mean many different things.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, I'd like to learn more about how the Drudge Report was secretly sold to CNN two years ago.
Sounds like another thing that Alex is pulling out of thin fucking air.
jordan holmes
I would be interested to hear about that.
Did you look deep into that?
dan friesen
I didn't.
jordan holmes
You didn't?
Did you reach out to Drudge for comment?
dan friesen
I looked for tax filings.
I don't know.
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, whatever.
dan friesen
So I think that there's overlap between this idea of, like...
When people are accusing Alex of making stuff up, they're not talking about the actual event or whatever.
And so with the video that he shot down near the border, it's the same thing.
It's like you didn't make up that someone got in a car.
You're just lying about the surrounding context.
jordan holmes
9-11 was an inside job.
You're full of shit.
You don't think 9-11 happened?
No, obviously it happened.
dan friesen
You may have actually said it didn't happen at some point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
That's fair.
dan friesen
I gotta review all the tapes.
So, when Alex is making these accusations, obviously, that's bad.
But there are certainly ways that he could make the situation worse, which he decides to do in this next clip.
jordan holmes
Putting out a million-dollar bounty.
alex jones
I'm not going to say what we're going to do, but I'm obviously going to be going back to the border very soon.
I'm not going to say it's going to be tomorrow, even this weekend.
It might be today.
I'm just going to tell you that.
I've already decided when I'm going.
I'm going.
I'm not going to tell this system how or when.
And, quite frankly, if I had the money, because we're maxed out right now, I would have a full-time team just in McAllen and in Brownsville roving the Texas border.
It is wild, wild west, insane, illegals everywhere you go, buses everywhere you go, total children sleeping in dirt under bridges.
We sent a drone in there.
They had a geofence up, so we couldn't show them in the dirt, but Project Veritas got folks in there.
We have all these whistleblowers, all this whistleblower video, people that saw children being raped inside the facilities.
We broke that on Monday.
Now you see Governor Abbott talking about it.
I mean...
I flew over with a helicopter.
We have hours and hours and hours of this footage.
And that's why you need to go to Infowarsstore.com so we can stay on air.
dan friesen
Wow.
alex jones
Now do you see what's happening?
As everything we talked about went on, despite the fact you're trying to censor us and block us, Infowars, I want to report to you our success so that you understand why you've supported us as the core audience of the core radio stations that are funding us to go out and be the missionaries to tell the truth against the globalists.
That's what you're doing here.
dan friesen
So, there's something a little bit disgraceful about using this directly as a fundraising.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a little bit like holding your audience hostage.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It also will be difficult for Alex, were somebody to sue him for this.
It would be hard for him to argue that he's not using it in order to make money.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because that's literally what he's doing here.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And as far as the criminal malicious intent towards the border, saying, I'm not going to tell the system how or when I'm going to get there, seems like admitting to a certain amount of suspicious activity.
dan friesen
I'm going to be sneaky.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Now, if you want to escalate this even further, Alex has a great idea for you.
And that is one of his old tricks.
alex jones
I mean, I have to tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that anybody, because I don't care about getting the scoop.
If Ben Shapiro wanted to go down to McAllen, or if Tucker Carlson wanted to go down to McAllen, and he probably will, or anywhere, Ted Nugent says he wants to go with me down there.
I'm going to take him down there.
He's a fellow Texan.
You'll sit there for 30 minutes and you'll see kids getting crammed in trunks, okay?
I mean, you can't swing a stick in the dark and not hit smugglers down there.
dan friesen
There is a sense that Alex is giving off that is like, you should go.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
We're all going.
We're all going.
It's going to be a great big party.
dan friesen
Anybody who goes down there will immediately find proof of this illegal...
Human trafficking ring.
And you need to, you know, hey, all these people, if they went, if Ben Shapiro had the nerve to do it, he could get the scoop.
I don't care about getting the scoop.
Everyone should go.
You should go.
That's a bad thing to do.
When you're escalating people's suspicion and belief that they're fighting the literal devil and all this to such a heightened point and be like, oh, hey, you all should go down there.
You'll find direct evidence of all this stuff.
I mean, you're asking for trouble.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like he has every single time in the past.
jordan holmes
I don't want to, like, here's the thing about, you know, you don't want to get into, like, slippery slope arguments with restricting speech, of course.
So what I think we should do is write a very, very narrow law that puts out step by step what Alex did for Pizzagate, and then is like, you just can't do that!
All of that stuff, you can't do it.
And then Alex wouldn't be able to do this shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you know, the part about it that always gets a little bit muddy is that like, yeah, not every time that you behave like this it causes a horrible outcome like a shooting.
Of course!
But...
jordan holmes
We have proof that it can and does from time to time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And I'm not...
dan friesen
So stop doing the things that lead there.
jordan holmes
Here's why it's not a free speech argument.
Are you?
Going to or have been inspiring people to go commit terrifying acts.
dan friesen
And have you really faced any consequences?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
I would say you've been rewarded.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
Anyway, so Alex spends a lot of time on this episode talking about Biden trying to take the guns.
Because Biden has some ideas about, you know, hey, it is a little bit...
Terrifying the prospects of being able to get kits where you can make a gun.
Yeah.
And none of the parts have any kind of serial number.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Completely untraceable guns.
It's certainly something that, in the wrong hands, could lead to a lot of trouble.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, the ability to just buy guns on the internet.
jordan holmes
I mean, they trace fucking cold medicine.
dan friesen
Yeah, and so he has some ideas.
I'm not the biggest expert in the world, but when I was listening to the ideas, it didn't sound like anything that was too terrifying.
jordan holmes
No, I think I will be fine.
dan friesen
But anyway, Alex thinks that China is trying to use Biden to get the guns for a specific reason.
alex jones
Really, the big news is the Chi-Coms are trying to cause a civil war, knowing that this will trigger a civil war.
And a bloodbath for everybody, which I'm not looking forward to, which I do not want.
But nevertheless, is a fact.
So there you go.
That's what's going on there.
Everybody else in the debate.
Oh, he wants the same children.
dan friesen
This doesn't make any sense.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
Now the globalist plan is to start a civil war at the behest of China for some reason, and that's going to, I guess, kill a lot of people?
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I thought their plan was soft-killing everyone with vaccines and then having an orderly extermination, and if that didn't work, then their plan B was to release super bioweapons just to kill everyone off.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that was last week.
dan friesen
How does a civil war or world war fit into that plan exactly?
Like, how is gun regulation a part of the bioweapon plan?
Yeah!
jordan holmes
It would be a really dumb civil war to have if, like...
While you're fighting it, half of your army is just gonna drop dead from the vaccine at any moment.
dan friesen
It seems like if the plan was these bioweapons, the globalists shouldn't care if you have guns.
Like, you can't shoot a virus.
I kept this clip in to illustrate how none of Alex's narratives mean anything.
Everything is self-serving and meant to escalate whatever he's decided to make his audience afraid of that day.
In this case, Biden's giving this speech on gun reform ideas, and thus the thing to profit off making the listeners scared of is gun confiscation.
That narrative doesn't really match up with the whole thing Alex has been doing with vaccine fear-mongering, so he can't really say that the gun regulation is part of the whole bioweapon thing.
Thus, he pretends that, you know, this isn't the entire thing he's been ranting about forever.
alex jones
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And now it's time to be scared about war.
jordan holmes
It's war that we need to be scared about!
It's the summer rain!
dan friesen
Also, if all Alex's enemies were working for the literal devil, it seems like they wouldn't be all on such different pages.
Like, if the devil had this plan that they were supposed to be trying to carry out, why would China mess around with Taiwan when that could only really get in the way of following through on the larger plan?
That seems really weird, and I would love Alex to explain that.
jordan holmes
Well, what it is, it's a Japanese management strategy that the devil is using here, alright?
You have many different divisions and you don't share all the information because they're all working for the same end goal, but they've got their own strategies.
That's how you create new solutions to problems, Dan.
dan friesen
I feel like the devil were this devil to be singularly focused on one objective.
I don't know if there would be a need for teams to be working across purposes.
jordan holmes
You haven't been reading Japanese management models.
dan friesen
You do make a fair point.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, Biden wants the guns.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And Trump, you know, he said that he wanted red flag laws.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
But that didn't happen, so we're good.
dan friesen
But also, he was being sneaky, and it was different.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
Completely different.
Completely different.
alex jones
And of course, the red flag laws.
You know, Trump was like, oh, red flag means if you've been adjudicated mentally ill and you're a schizophrenic.
And you were, you know, kicked out of the Air Force was the case they brought to him, but they never put the Air Force records in that he was dishonorably discharged in an Air Force mental institution for two years.
Trump's like, yeah, that guy shouldn't have a gun.
Oh, the conservatives.
Trump wants to...
No, no, no.
Okay, well, Trump's gone.
The bad guy's gone.
Don't have him to kick anymore.
We got Biden saying, if anybody has a concern about you, your guns are gone.
You don't get them back most of the time.
And you get the SWAT team raid that ensues.
So, Civil War, Civil War, Civil War.
unidentified
Whoa.
dan friesen
So, this is how Alex wants to remember Trump's comments on red flag laws, but that's not what Trump said.
This was in 2019, after the mass shootings in Dayton and El Paso.
Trump said, quote, That doesn't sound like adjudicating someone who's mentally ill.
That seems like taking the posts from social media to identify people who may be unwell and then getting their guns taken away.
jordan holmes
It's almost like Alex thinks reality is whatever fits his narrative at any given point in time.
It's really weird.
dan friesen
Honestly, what Trump was talking about seems way more invasive and draconian than anything that...
Biden's proposing.
Trump went on, quote, We must reform our mental health laws to better identify mentally disturbed individuals who may commit acts of violence and make sure those people not only get treatment, but when necessary, involuntary confinement.
Seems like Alex should be against that pretty strongly.
These people have not committed any crimes, but because some globalist doctor is saying that they might commit one, we should have laws that they get locked up.
This is pre-crime.
Trump wants to bring in the guys in the tanks from the Tom Cruise movie.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's pre-cogs.
It's mission, it's mission, what, not mission impossible.
dan friesen
Minority report.
jordan holmes
Minority report.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, this is Philip K. Dickson.
jordan holmes
They're coming for us.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Trump continued, quote, We must make sure that those judged to pose a grave risk to public safety do not have access to firearms, and if they do, those firearms can be taken through rapid due process.
dan friesen
That is why I've called for red flag laws, also known as extreme risk protection orders.
Today, I'm also directing the Department of Justice to propose legislation ensuring that those who commit hate crimes and mass murders face the death penalty and that this capital punishment be delivered quickly, decisively and without years of needless delay.
As a libertarian type and someone who's insanely anti-government, Alex should be really afraid of a president calling for expedited death sentences, especially...
Alex thinks that most people who commit mass shootings are secretly patsies.
Also, that was the speech where Trump said, quote, may God bless the memory of those who perished in Toledo and may God protect them because he misread a teleprompter.
Yep.
The point of this is that Alex has created an ahistorical version of Trump's response to mass shootings and his public support for red flag laws because what Trump advocated is directly counter to a lot of what should make sense as Alex's positions.
That's kind of messy.
jordan holmes
I think it's easier to hand-wave it away and say, the past is the past.
Let's move on and think about the future.
Trump isn't president anymore.
We don't need to think about all the stuff he said.
dan friesen
We even sputtered through that in that clip.
jordan holmes
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
We don't learn from history here.
How dare any of you?
dan friesen
Let's not deal with what was said realistically.
Let's just have fun.
So, uh...
Who do you think the world's most powerful doctor is?
jordan holmes
The world's most powerful doctor?
Yeah.
Doom?
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah, he has his own country.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
He's pretty powerful.
dan friesen
What about Oz?
jordan holmes
Dr. Oz?
No, I don't think he's very powerful.
dan friesen
Dr. Phil is rich as hell.
jordan holmes
Dr. Phil is pretty powerful.
dan friesen
But you couldn't stand up to Dr. Doom.
I think you really cheated the game there.
jordan holmes
Dr. Doom is a little bit of a winner there.
dan friesen
He has lightning powers, right?
jordan holmes
What powers does Dr. Doom have?
No, the Super Stretch Man is a doctor, too.
He's more powerful than Dr. Doom.
Yeah, Mr. Fantastic.
Why do I call him Super Stretch Man?
I don't know.
Super stretcher!
dan friesen
See, this is why people think that I'm not amused by things you said.
I was just laughing really hard, but silently.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah, yeah, naturally.
dan friesen
Sometimes it just doesn't play on the mic.
jordan holmes
It doesn't happen.
dan friesen
Yeah, Invisible Woman was a doctor too, right?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
All of them, all the fantastic four.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Invisible, the flame guy was, Jesus, I'm not doing well today.
unidentified
Human torch?
jordan holmes
Yes, I understand.
dan friesen
I'm not even a dork, and I know these names.
jordan holmes
Honestly, I was going to call her Mrs. Invisible, which I recognize is not okay.
Yes, exactly.
Wasn't she married to him?
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think so.
I can't remember exactly.
jordan holmes
And then The Thing wasn't a doctor.
He was just like an astronaut or something.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He was like a military guy.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
dan friesen
I think The Thing and Human Torch were like...
jordan holmes
This is why Discord is beyond us.
We're not even...
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think they were cool military guys, and then Invisible Woman and Reed Richards were doctors.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
I think.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Still Dr. Doom more powerful.
jordan holmes
He does have his own country, and they never really put him away, you know?
dan friesen
Anyway, my point is that if you Google it, you'll get a different answer.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Well, who runs the UN?
Dun-dun-dun-dun.
Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun.
I tried this this morning, and it works.
We'll see if they've changed it.
Guys, please go to Google for TV viewers.
Any radio listener can do this.
Type in, who is the most powerful doctor in the world?
Before you even say powerful, who is the most powerful?
It says Bill Gates.
And they say he is the most powerful doctor, he is in charge, and he will do what he will to you.
dan friesen
So this is actually true.
If you Google the words, who is the world's most powerful doctor, the results do say Bill Gates.
This is because the search terms identically reflect the title of a 2017 Politico article titled, quote, meet the world's most powerful doctor, Bill Gates.
Okay.
unidentified
The article itself is highly critical of Gates'outsized influence on the World Health Organization, given his status as a major donor.
dan friesen
But it's not critical in the same way that Alex might be.
For instance, the article points out that, Anyway, the fact that this Google search result comes up, it went slightly viral recently, as it has in the past a couple times.
Alex probably just saw it on social media, and now he's complaining about it on his show, which is really sad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He hasn't even read the Politico article, because if he has, he would recognize that it actually...
jordan holmes
He'd be like, oh, that's why it's...
dan friesen
But it actually would be like, oh, this is kind of critical of Gates.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That kind of doesn't work for him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It really seems...
Far too obvious to say that a billionaire shouldn't have anything to do with just about any decisions regarding, well, anything.
But especially health in the modern world.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think it's a complicated question, and I think that, you know, based on the fact that there are Politico articles like this, there are people who are in the appropriate places asking those sorts of questions and wrestling with it.
Anyway, because Alex has found this Google search result that he thinks is real cool, he lets himself off the chain a little bit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
There it is!
Who's the most powerful doctor in the world, ladies and gentlemen?
unidentified
Bill!
alex jones
I'm going to kill your ass, Bill Gates.
Woo!
Meet the world's most powerful doctor, and for four pages it says the same thing, because he paid in the search results to tell you, I am the big swinging Johnson!
I'm going to put it in you!
unidentified
Woo.
dan friesen
Family show, man.
Family show.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna put it in ya.
dan friesen
The Big Swingin' Johnson.
jordan holmes
Not something that I want repeated anywhere.
dan friesen
Nah, it's not fun.
jordan holmes
Also, isn't the title is ironic?
Or sarcastic, at least.
Meet the World's Most Powerful Doctor Bill Gates.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
He's not a doctor.
That's the point of the title, is that this is not how it's supposed to be.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
So, he's taking a...
Sarcastic headline, literally.
unidentified
Yep.
Gotcha.
jordan holmes
Just wanted to be sure about that.
dan friesen
He's good at this, man.
jordan holmes
He's great at...
Reading comprehension is his jam.
dan friesen
So now, someone else is good at things.
Like guitar.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And being a real creep.
jordan holmes
I don't know if he's good at those things.
dan friesen
Look, I'm not a music scholar.
I don't know anything about this.
But Ted Nugent is on the show.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I gotta say...
Uncle Ted sounds like a bit more of a lunatic than usual.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
This is an incredible time to be alive, but I'm glad Ted Nugent is there.
jordan holmes
Imagine saying that.
alex jones
Imagine saying that seriously.
Thank you for joining us, sir.
ted nugent
My pleasure, Alex.
I'm celebrating life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
I got my priorities.
I think we should quote the greatest philosopher of all times.
I think we agree that was Dirty Harry when he said, a good man knows his limitations.
So as I fight against the curse of self-inflicted apathy and Marxism running amok, and whatever creature that is that pretends to be the commander-in-chief and all his crazy supporters, the Nugent family is living the America.
dan friesen
He always sounds like he's on coke, but he claims he's 70 years sober.
jordan holmes
My immediate thought was he got about...
Halfway through a sentence and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
You just slow it down, buddy.
unidentified
Slow down.
jordan holmes
You're already going a little too fast to be taken seriously.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Ted Nugent seems, I mean, like the Motor City Madman might be a little bit more literal.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He sounds nuts.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, he doesn't live in the Motor City anymore, so.
dan friesen
Well, he does.
Part-time.
jordan holmes
Oh, fair enough.
dan friesen
Well, somewhere in Michigan, at least.
He is making this metaphor.
It's pained.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
I think in this metaphor, old yeller is the government.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Or something.
jordan holmes
So you're setting this up as we're going to take a long trip to get to the end of this metaphor.
dan friesen
You bet.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Same group suing NRA or suing me.
I mean, this is a war.
And listeners, you know, it's a war.
ted nugent
Well, you know, not just spotlighting the cockroaches.
I think the most important lesson has been hidden from generations, and that's the lesson of old yeller.
We love dogs.
When Old Yeller protects us from the snake and the cougar, when Old Yeller brings us the newspaper and our slippers, we give Old Yeller a kiss and a hug and a biscuit.
When Old Yeller, the same dog we love dearly, begins foaming at the mouth, we know what we have to do to Old Yeller.
But we don't embrace difficult and discomforting decisions in life.
I use the reference of the Germans who pretended they weren't complicit.
By their cult of denial of what happened during the genocide.
There are Americans today that are hiding from the indicators, hiding from the evidence.
So here's the answer.
Number one, Alex, everybody who believes in freedom right now more than ever, you have to be a member of the National Rifle Association, Gun Owners of America, the Texas State Rifle Association, all your state Second Amendment organizations.
You have to communicate with your mayor, your senator, your congressman, your governor on a weekly basis.
dan friesen
Slow down.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you are just a guitar player, sir.
dan friesen
Wait, this is about guns?
jordan holmes
I guess.
I think he's saying we need to overthrow the United States government, right?
dan friesen
We need to put it down like Old Yeller.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's kind of his point.
dan friesen
Because they want gun regulation now.
jordan holmes
Was that the lesson of Old Yeller?
dan friesen
Now, when the government just lets you have all the guns you want, you give it a pat on the head and give it a biscuit.
jordan holmes
I would like to know...
Ted Nugent's interpretation of Romeo and Juliet.
I would like his explanation of that great piece of literature.
unidentified
Two people mean.
dan friesen
Fall in love.
Parents are mean.
Kill themselves.
jordan holmes
It's all good.
dan friesen
Yeah, that was weird.
unidentified
That was weird.
dan friesen
I guess he's saying that we're not happy about it, but we've got to kill the government.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I guess we just have to kill the government.
dan friesen
Huh.
jordan holmes
Huh.
dan friesen
Strange metaphor.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
So, Alex has gone and done this possibly defamatory video about this Catholic charity.
And if I were Ted Nugent, I might not want to sign off on that video just in case.
I don't want to get ensnared.
I don't want to actually be on public record being like, hey, that was an awesome thing you did.
jordan holmes
That was super cool, and I'm glad I helped playing it with you.
ted nugent
We have to fight back on the activist level peacefully, but communicate on a regular basis.
And yes, Alex, Shemaine and I, with our Ted Nugent Spirit of the Wild show and our Spirit Campfire and all the different incredible communication that my wife Shemaine accomplishes, we're coming down to the border because everybody has to know that these children are being trafficked.
unidentified
And when you catch a guy doing it, he plays dumb.
ted nugent
Well, that's not dumb.
That's demonic.
unidentified
We have to spotlight these devil cockroaches.
dan friesen
These devil cockroaches.
This is not good.
This is very not good.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
Yeah, and Ted Nugent is clearly talking about Alex's video.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
There are a couple of huge problems I have with it.
Number one, obviously, is Ted Nugent is not allowed to say traffic head.
dan friesen
Traffic head.
He says it twice.
jordan holmes
That's, no, unacceptable behavior.
Unacceptable behavior.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
And I want to know the spelling of demonic, because immediately following dumb, it should be D-U-M-B-O-N-I-C, right?
Demonic.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, if it's on paper, probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it has to be.
dan friesen
So, jumping from there, I mean, he sort of is endorsing Alex's video, and we have to flush out these folks, these demons.
Now he's sort of saying that they need to kill people who are like the people in Alex's video.
ted nugent
You know, we've been to Africa many times, and Shemaine has done a lot of interviews with some real heroes of law enforcement and the military who have dedicated their lives to saving these women and children that are enslaved and trafficked.
Trafficked.
And it's happening on a daily basis.
And thank God, a big salute to you, not just from the Nugent family, Alex, but a lot of people are watching you spotlight these devils.
And we thank you for that.
But more and more people have to do it, and then they have to act upon it.
You can't identify a foaming-at-the-mouth dog and then go back to your gardening.
You have to deal with the rabid dog.
You have to eliminate the rabid dog.
And if you're not able to do it, call your wildlife control.
dan friesen
That metaphor fell apart.
I think that what we're listening to is Ted Nugent taking these sort of ideas that Alex has had about everybody's got to go down to the border and find all this, and he's going one step further and saying you have to take action against the people who are trafficking.
And boy, that could get really out of hand if your standard of who's trafficking people is as low as Alex is.
This is directly inciting.
See, this is really fucked up.
jordan holmes
This is why we have my new Pizzagate law.
If you do a Pizzagate, it's against the law!
dan friesen
He was just talking about literal dogs, though.
He was saying that if a dog has...
unidentified
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
What if you just have, like, some stuff on your glasses and then you just murder a dog?
Maybe you should think a little bit more.
dan friesen
I can't stress enough how, like, I saw that video when it was making the rounds.
I'm like, this sucks.
But you know, this is Alex doing what he does.
I hope he gets sued for it.
Then I listen to his show and I'm like, it sounds like he's kind of encouraging people to go and do what he's doing.
And I think that's probably bad.
That seems like the kind of behavior he's done in the past.
Nothing could have prepared me for Ted Nugent coming on and making this pained metaphor that is so much worse.
It seems to imply that what people need to do is come down there and kill people who are trying to help asylum seekers and refugees.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's so fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know if there's anything that could prepare you for a sudden appearance of Ted Nugent telling you to murder.
dan friesen
In a bad metaphor.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's something that I...
That's Kool-Aid Man levels of surprise.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, much like the Kool-Aid Man, he barges through walls.
You know that.
We're about to get someone else barging through walls, and that is Ted Nugent's son.
jordan holmes
Sure!
Sure.
I want to hear what Ted Nugent's son has to say.
dan friesen
You actually do.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Ted Nugent's son is there with him, and Alex wants to talk to him a little bit.
rocco nugent
Sure.
dan friesen
And, ooh, Nelly.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
alex jones
And then Rocco, I know you're an articulate person in your own right, the great son of Ted Nugent.
What is your view on all this?
rocco nugent
Man, I'm a little bit more oriented to the metaphysical aspects of it.
I feel like I got this guy on the front lines of the terrestrial aspect.
And me and some of my friends have been tuned into what you've been doing and others like David Icke.
And I got more interested in, like, you know, who's really behind the cabal?
Extraterrestrial beings that are hijacking energy fields of the planet that are installing slaughterhouses that are, you know, the motive.
alex jones
By the way, I totally agree.
When you hit the bottom of the rabbit hole, whatever it is, it's anti-human.
It's anti-success.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Rocco, Ted Nugent's son, is into the spiritual side of this.
jordan holmes
Another new law.
It should be against the law to grow up rich.
That's what I heard right there.
No!
dan friesen
So I wanted to understand this a little bit more.
I had no idea.
I'd never heard Ted Nugent's son.
And I was like, oh, this is interesting.
jordan holmes
No, it was about, there was a cartoon.
It was Modern Life something.
dan friesen
Oh yeah, it's fun.
Thank you.
This guy's modern life apparently consists of putting out YouTube videos where he's driving.
You know, you got the camera on you while you're driving.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
He's doing those?
dan friesen
Mic down for this.
This was terrifying.
unidentified
Okay.
Bye.
Hello, Earth.
rocco nugent
And anyone else who may be tuning in?
The download to be shared today in this moment while the highway is being driven on is a message that just came through the reference point many know as Archangel Michael and my relationship with Archangel Michael has been one of he's almost been like the older brother that That you didn't really know
because like you were really young when he was at home and then he left for like the military or something and then you like grew up and then he came back and he's all like stern and transformed and then he leaves and never comes again and so he's like this image in your mind of like discipline and yeah like the little brother like the big brother he's the bigger brother that Holds you accountable to
your highest potential.
And he has this sword, at least in my interface with him, he has a sword that he carries around with him.
It's like a sword of light.
And it seems to also be a sword of the divine masculine personified in a device, in a moment, as a sword.
dan friesen
So it's a dick?
I think you're saying the sword's a dick?
jordan holmes
Yeah!
I believe he's saying that the Archangel Michael has a lightsaber shaped like a penis, is essentially what I'm hearing.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Ted Dugent's son puts out videos where he rambles about how he talks to angels.
unidentified
Yeah.
Cool.
jordan holmes
Somebody should take away his license.
dan friesen
Cool.
Now, I was watching a few of these, and there's just a bit of...
jordan holmes
Of course you are!
dan friesen
There's just a bit of that spirituality that is kind of...
Untethered and a little bit Project Camelot-y in many ways.
jordan holmes
Well, he's talking about the Archangel Michael as that older brother who went away and joined the military and then came back to you and also has a giant lightsaber sword that looks like a dick.
dan friesen
And he gave him a download.
And the download, spoiler alert, is the greatest FOMO.
You know, the fear of missing out?
No.
jordan holmes
You do not.
No, you do not continue, sir.
Sir?
Sir?
dan friesen
The greatest FOMO is missing out on what you could have been if you didn't get your shit together earlier.
jordan holmes
I really, really, really need to throw a thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Archangel Michael coming down with his sword to blow minds.
So now, I was thinking, like, okay, I could play some more things from these videos that are just kind of silly.
But honestly, like, I don't know.
That just kind of...
Kind of content is the kind of stuff that I'm like, I gotta go.
I gotta get away from this.
And I figured there's something better I could tell you, and that is that Ted Nugent's son is also a rapper.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
Oh, God.
Don't do this to me.
rocco nugent
No.
jordan holmes
No!
unidentified
Had to tell you no, had to tell you no Had to tell you no, had to say no I had to walk away I had to talk to me I had lost my faith I had lost myself I had lost my health Yeah, it's basically that.
dan friesen
I, um...
Yeah, I found that it was a little bit, I mean, it makes a compelling argument for there being, such a thing as too much auto-tune.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, that's definitely the case.
Man, how much would it suck to not even suck as much as Chet Hanks?
You know, or just suck more than Chet Hanks?
Like, that's bad.
dan friesen
I feel really bad because I don't want to, like, mock someone's creative outlet.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I think that's bad, but also...
jordan holmes
I want to mock Rich Kid's creative output.
I'm fine with that.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, I think that this is not quality music.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I also think it's funny that it's Ted Nugent's son.
Trying to make this nonsense music.
jordan holmes
You're not even the best worst son.
That's the worst part about it.
dan friesen
Amazing.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Jesus.
Anyway, this has been Get to Know Rocco in his modern life.
jordan holmes
Yes, yep.
dan friesen
And now we move on.
jordan holmes
Now we would like to un-know.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So they leave.
The Nugent family leaves.
Oh, also just remember that Ted Nugent's wife is a really huge QAnon supporter.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Got into an argument about it with Alex.
jordan holmes
Of course, of course.
dan friesen
A couple months back.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
Good family.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So they leave, and Alex lights a literal candle, but maybe it's also a metaphor.
alex jones
I'm being honest with listeners.
I know the metaphysical's real.
I know God's real.
I know the spirit's like a fire.
You can't just keep that fire under yourself.
You gotta share it with other people like this candle I'm lighting here in studio with Ted Nugent right now on TV and radio with his simulcasting.
They want to put America's flame out.
They want to put our republic's flame out.
But they can't do it if we continue to share it.
But if they're able to demoralize us and make us be cowards and make us be fearful, They can put that flame out, but you're aware of them trying it.
They don't have the power to do that anymore.
dan friesen
Alex is becoming more and more of a prop comic.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, so he's doing, like, one of those Christmas candles where you only burn it for the, you know, it's like red, green, red, green, red, green, and every day before Christmas, you burn the red one off, and then you turn it out, and then you burn the green one off.
But it's for the end of the Republic?
dan friesen
Something like that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah, just like, you know, when he had that skull and the goblet or whatever.
jordan holmes
A lot of people will think, what does this mean?
And I'm asking you, what does this mean?
dan friesen
I am going to light this candle because I want to talk about the metaphor of a candle, but I also want you to be able to see it.
jordan holmes
I just, because there's a moment before this where he screamed at some 18-year-old.
Get me a candle!
That's the problem here!
dan friesen
I would say there's a pretty good chance.
So Alex has not really covered a lot of news, but he has a lot of articles in a stack, but who cares?
alex jones
I could spend an hour on each one of these articles and discover every little piece of it and talk about how it works and talk about how it's a deployment, but at the end of the day, You get caught up in making it your god by giving it all your attention.
Just know this, whatever comes out of these people's mouths is meant to kill your ass.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Okay, we can just make that decision.
jordan holmes
What you need to know is that I need you emotionally aroused at all times, but if you learn anything, that will stop.
dan friesen
I don't think that there's any better encapsulation of Alex Jones' sort of style than that.
That I could spend an hour on this and all the information, all the minutia, get really into the weeds on this.
jordan holmes
Well, he's a policy walker, as we know.
dan friesen
We could really get into this, but just know that whatever they're saying, they're trying to kill you.
jordan holmes
So, really, there's no point for me to have any of this in front of me.
dan friesen
So instead of getting into the nitty-gritty, be in a policy walk.
Which he could do.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, of course.
dan friesen
You just assume that they're just trying to kill you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Instead of getting into the weeds and really figuring this out, he decides to spend his time doing the big work.
And that, of course, means complaining about Saturday Night Live.
alex jones
We never aired it.
I don't know if they can find it.
But it's the Saturday Night Live.
And they're like, coming up on Saturday Night Live, black people won't take the vaccine.
So they have a black guy with a British accent, like he's smart, but other black people aren't.
They love British accents.
Pull up.
Pull up.
jordan holmes
You got an engine on fire.
alex jones
Literally going, I'll give you black people barbecue and watermelon or whatever if you take the shot.
And the black guy has a classic southern voice.
Like, that's dumb.
jordan holmes
You are no Sully Sullenberger.
alex jones
And it's literally them caricatures making fun of black people.
With a black guy with a British accent being racist to them because of their accent from where they are saying they're fighting racism and then it's on CNN!
I mean, I can't...
These people piss me off, man.
And it's constant.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Okay, so...
One...
dan friesen
Did you see that SNL sketch?
jordan holmes
I saw the first little bit of it.
I got it.
dan friesen
You get it.
jordan holmes
It's not hard to get.
dan friesen
I think that there are some people who took umbrage with it, and I say huzzah, rightfully so.
That was probably a poorly conceived sketch.
I think that people did not enjoy it, and you can find articles in all sorts of media expressing that sentiment.
That it was maybe poorly constructed and conceived.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That said, Alex's point about it is outrageous.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think he was trying to say that it was a racist sketch, but he did so by being more racist towards...
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, the person who's hosting...
jordan holmes
Daniel Kaluuya?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Kaluuya, I believe, yeah.
dan friesen
He is British.
Yes.
But he's not doing a British accent in that sketch.
jordan holmes
No, he's not.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Specifically...
He's not doing a British accent, despite...
Having one.
dan friesen
And I think that what happened is that Alex just saw an outrage compilation of some of his jokes from the monologue.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Where he's speaking in his British accent.
jordan holmes
So he knows that the guy is British.
Well, he doesn't know that the guy is British.
dan friesen
And he assumes that that carries over to the sketch as well.
Well, he doesn't understand how the structure of Saturday Night Live works.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
dan friesen
But yeah, so if you haven't seen the sketch, the idea was that there's this guy who is a doctor and his family won't take the vaccine.
Right.
And so he's having a game show to get them to take the vaccine.
And he keeps offering money for the correct answer, which is, yes, I will take the vaccine.
And so one of his family members, played by Keenan...
He asks what he would do with the money if he won.
And he says, I'll roll up some joints, smoke some weed, get a big barbecue block party, go and get a new grill, or whatever.
And that, Alex has extrapolated out into being like, trying to entice black people with barbecue and watermelon.
He has added an even more racist layer.
jordan holmes
That's what I was saying!
He didn't need to add the more racist part!
And SNL was, you know, like, you get it, because they were They're creating that caricature that they love to do on Celebrity Jeopardy, but what actually happened is they relied on stereotypes to make fun of, yeah.
dan friesen
So I think that Alex thinks that because this sketch is clunky and possibly somewhat offensive, it gives him carte blanche to be even more racist.
unidentified
I give you the barbecue, you take it!
jordan holmes
No!
No!
alex jones
Can you imagine if I had a show?
jordan holmes
No!
unidentified
And I got up there and I went, I'll give you black people some barbecue.
alex jones
In fact, cue that up if you can.
This is what I'm talking about.
Everything they say we are is them.
dan friesen
What about Fentanyl the Dragon?
jordan holmes
I was going to say, also, it kind of sounded like he slipped into Fentanyl the Dragon there.
dan friesen
He doesn't have a lot of rage.
jordan holmes
He's trying to do a racist black person accent, and then he slipped into a racist Chinese accent.
So that's great.
dan friesen
He is no Caliendo.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
He is not Rich Little.
dan friesen
No.
So Alex tries to play the clip of it, and he fails.
alex jones
Yeah, here it is.
Let's cue it up.
Let's cue it up.
In fact, if you have the audio ready, you got the audio ready?
You guys have pulled it up really quick and great.
They have it.
Okay, here it is.
Watch this for yourself.
unidentified
Do-dee-doo-dee-doo-dee-doo.
alex jones
It's okay.
Our computers.
Hey, I only have like a $100,000 computer in there.
It's not the Chris fault.
The $100,000 computer messes up about 1% of the time.
The million dollar computer hardly ever messes up.
So I can't afford the million dollar switcher.
So it just locked up on it.
But whenever it boots back up, we'll play it for you.
dan friesen
What?
You gotta boot back up?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What?
You gotta restart it.
I mean, look, it's a million-dollar machine, but it still runs on Windows 95. This is the $100,000 one.
dan friesen
He can't afford the million.
jordan holmes
That one doesn't even run on Windows 95. That guy's running DOS prompts.
dan friesen
I wonder if what actually happened was that there was a producer in his ear during that long silence that was like...
Hey, those voices that you're doing and the way you're characterizing the sketch, if you play the sketch, you're going to be shown to be wrong.
jordan holmes
You're a racist.
dan friesen
I wonder if that's what happened.
It would make sense based on the incredibly long pause.
And then eventually they do play what I think is the outrage compilation, the only thing that he's aware of, which is the clips of the monologue and then a short clip of that sketch.
And then he's just written a story about it in his head that is...
More racist than the original first.
jordan holmes
Wild.
Wildly racist.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So at this point, Alex has a reporter named Sheila Gunn-Reed on his show.
She is a reporter with Rebel Media.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
Trustworthy.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And she's on to talk about a certain church in Canada that is under attack.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
sheila gunn reid
Well, thanks for having me, Alex, and thanks so much for your ongoing interest in this story.
It's truly an international story, despite what the mainstream media in my home province would have you believe.
This church has been the flashpoint for the fight for religious freedom in Canada during the pandemic.
The pastor there, Pastor James Coates, was arrested and incarcerated for 35 days in a maximum security provincial facility for refusing to limit his congregation.
To 15% of fire code capacity as per the public health orders here in Alberta.
He refused to comply.
He said it violated his religious freedom.
So he was taken into custody.
He's been released now.
But the crackdown on his church has not stopped.
dan friesen
So this is the Grace Life Church in Alberta.
And like Sheila was saying, the pastor of this church, James Coates, was arrested in February after repeated breaches of COVID safety measures.
He was given multiple opportunities and warnings to follow the rules, and he refused to do so.
So he got arrested and then released on the condition that he stopped breaking the rules, which he immediately proceeded to break again.
jordan holmes
Literally everybody involved was like, dude, we don't want to do this.
You don't want to do that.
Well, obviously you want to turn yourself into a fucking martyr.
dan friesen
So, in response to his trouble, a group of 28 community leaders from various religious backgrounds released a statement that, quote, stressed the need to prioritize the well-being of all members of society over individual needs during the pandemic and to follow the directives of public health officers and the government.
jordan holmes
Someone acting Christ-like?
Kill them!
dan friesen
Just this week, the Alberta Health Service shut down the church by putting fences up around it.
Quote, until the church can demonstrate the ability to comply with Alberta's chief medical officer of health's restrictions.
jordan holmes
Do you hear what they said?
You are teens!
If they put you in time out until you can eat your goddamn vegetables, you don't get to go to church!
dan friesen
Yeah, you can't use the phone until you can learn to not prank call people or whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's insane!
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I think closing the church is kind of murky territory, honestly, and I'm not sure how I would proceed if I were in charge there, but this is Canada.
If the local folk there in Alberta are terribly opposed to this closure, then they can work on that with the local government.
But from everything I've seen...
Pretty much everybody outside the church itself seems fine with the fact that if you're not going to follow the restrictions, the restrictions are 15% capacity.
jordan holmes
You don't even have to close the church.
Just fucking livestream it.
Dude, we don't want to put you in jail.
It would be stupid.
This is stupid.
dan friesen
You're a child.
Let's find ways to work this out in ways that work for everybody.
jordan holmes
Please, just...
Go away!
dan friesen
Anyway, there's a 15% capacity that he's supposed to follow, but not everybody has to follow that.
sheila gunn reid
Because it's 15, 1 5% of fire code capacity.
But the Walmart up the road, but the Costco up the road, they can operate at...
30% of fire code capacity.
So this virus is truly amazing.
It knows if you're going to Walmart or if you're going to praise God.
dan friesen
This is embarrassing, pretending to not understand the different capacities for different things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
Like, I would totally bet that Walmart would have a 15% capacity order if it were a place where people congregated for long periods of time, sat in place, and sang.
jordan holmes
So stupid.
dan friesen
The things you do at Walmart while you're wearing a mask, which they didn't do at this church.
jordan holmes
Oh, that was really...
That would be surprising to me.
I assume that they all still wore masks.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
No, that's surprising.
dan friesen
You're required to wear a mask to enter the Walmart, and you walk around and leave.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's why maybe you could have 30% capacity there safely, as opposed to a building where everyone sits and sings.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is like...
Listen.
I know the word is supposed to be mainly geometry-based, but you are being obtuse.
That is ridiculous.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex gets to talking about his Spars conspiracy a little bit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I thought he was kind of done with Sheila and the church.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He is not.
unidentified
Oh, well.
dan friesen
But he does say this, and I think it's silly.
alex jones
Emergency Saturday broadcast, world shocked by Spars, 2025-2028 document, 2,700,000.
73,000 views.
Well, that sounds great at Bandot Video.
It needs 100 billion views.
We beat these people.
It's all right there.
But 2 million is a good start.
But I'm not doing this and putting my life on the line and flying a helicopter right on the Mexican border where they shoot at helicopters.
And doing all this to, like, lose.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that that's really illustrative, too.
It's like Alex's gauge of being able to beat the globalists has to do with his metrics.
They are traffic-related.
We will win if we get $100 million.
No, you won't.
jordan holmes
A globalist just watching the view.
Oh, shit, he's at $99,999,998.
If he gets two more, we lose!
dan friesen
Sir, shut down the internet.
alex jones
Shut the internet down!
dan friesen
Ridiculous.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I thought it was a little bit irresponsible that Alex is largely, at least subtly, maybe not so subtly, encouraging people to go down to the border and behave as he did.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, just to cost people trying to help.
I think that's a...
Humanity is generally widely recognized to have evolved society by killing people trying to help.
dan friesen
And I think that the only effect that that could possibly have is escalating a situation, raising the temperature beyond the point where it's easily handled by responsible people.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is not the only instance of him doing this on this show.
alex jones
This should be the Christian Woodstock.
Everyone in Canada can get there.
I'd say the U.S., but your borders are so controlled, unless you're a legal alien.
Everyone should go there, bring pizzas, bring barbecues.
I think if 20,000 people show up, it will turn the tide against this tyranny.
Don't you agree everyone should come there?
Tell us where it is.
sheila gunn reid
So that church is just west of the capital city of Edmonton, Alberta.
It's really just a couple of miles outside of the city limits.
It's very easy to get to.
And, you know, there's a public road right there.
You can get there.
alex jones
And for those who are listening, they must go now.
What is the name?
What is the address?
Everyone must go now.
sheila gunn reid
It's Grace Life Church.
dan friesen
So, yeah, everyone's got to go.
Everyone's got to go to this church.
It should be a Christian Woodstock.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
So that means Jars of Clay will be performing?
Sure.
DC Talk is going to reunite.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's about time.
It's about time.
Red Hot Chili Peppers is going to play with just the socks on.
dan friesen
Ted Nugent's son is going to do this.
Yeah, this seems irresponsible.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it gets kind of worse.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
alex jones
It's 51520 or 51529 A Range Road 262 Spruce Grove AB.
Is that right?
sheila gunn reid
Yes.
alex jones
All right, so here's the deal.
Instead of being like, and I'm not putting you down because you're just like me, you're like, oh, thanks for caring that they've put a fence up and arrested the preacher.
Thanks for caring.
jordan holmes
Sounds insulting.
alex jones
We're under attack, okay?
You're under attack, so are we.
All of us need to go there.
If you're in Canada or if you're near the border, you get in legally, go there peacefully.
Give aid and comfort to Christians under CHICOM.
Governor, attack.
The Chi-Com agent, I just showed you him pledging allegiance to Xi Jinping, Trudeau, everyone should go.
They're scared, aren't they?
dan friesen
Trudeau did no such thing.
jordan holmes
No, he did not.
dan friesen
Yeah, so this is irresponsible, and certainly hope that nothing ends up happening there, that Alex might look bad in hindsight.
Giving the address out and soliciting and inciting people to go because the church is under attack by the communist Chinese and Justin Trudeau.
Fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's no other way for that to, like, it goes two ways.
It goes with a bunch of people showing up and being like, oh shit, this was dumb.
Or a bunch of people showing up and getting whipped into a mob and like, let's go down two miles and start wars!
You know, like that kind of thing.
dan friesen
And when you think you're fighting the fucking literal devil, it seems like the latter is more likely.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I don't know.
I don't think this is good.
And, I mean, it's obviously that they are fighting the devil.
sheila gunn reid
Alex, I've never ever seen overt Satanism in real life before.
alex jones
You told me one of them said Satan is good.
Tell people about that.
sheila gunn reid
I've never seen overt Satanism like that.
As you and I both know, the enemy works through all kinds of people.
But this person drove by in a pickup truck, screamed at women and children whose church they're looking at being locked up.
So they're distraught.
And this guy screams at them.
That he's happy that their church is being closed, and then he yells at other people, and he says to them, even the church of Satan follows masking laws, and that's why you should too.
As a Christian, if you're telling me that Satan likes it, I'm more inclined to not do it, but that's the level of public discourse here.
dan friesen
Yeah, some guy in a truck said that we're Satanists and even we wear masks.
jordan holmes
That's the level of overt Satanism.
That she's...
unidentified
Man, this is the weakest of Ts.
jordan holmes
This is weak Ts.
I would even have bought it if she was just like, he screamed out the window, I love Satan.
Because then it's like, yeah, of course you say that shit.
They're a bunch of assholes.
dan friesen
She doesn't seem to be as willing to let it fly as Alex.
jordan holmes
No clue.
He's just like, hey, guys, ostensibly your most evil worshippers in the world are still not dumb.
dan friesen
We're more concerned with public health and our fellow man than you.
jordan holmes
Satanists don't want people to die of disease.
Do you not?
Do you not understand where you are in this situation?
dan friesen
Yeah, that seems to be with this Satanist.
Alleged Satanist.
Because he might have been just fucking around.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds more like that.
dan friesen
Anyway, some guy yelled for him a truck.
And all this is going on.
And so Alex encourages something.
Man, he should be careful with his language.
alex jones
Well, I'm telling my listeners, I'm telling them, if you live in Canada, whether you're 500 miles away or 20, you must go there, bring some muffins, bring some food, support these great people.
Because the system has drawn the line here.
The enemy has drawn a line at your church.
The enemy's drawn a line and said, and so they've chosen this as their Stalingrad, and I think we should make this their Stalingrad.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
jordan holmes
Who's chosen this as their Stalingrad?
Nobody's chosen this as a Stalingrad.
This is way below the level of Stalingrad.
dan friesen
You bet.
Also, not for nothing, the Soviet Union won that battle.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
The communists.
So, Alex, you might want a better metaphor.
Also, Stalingrad was incredibly violent.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know if Alex wants to evoke that kind of...
I mean, obviously he does, but it doesn't seem responsible to evoke that kind of imagery surrounding what he's trying to incite people to go be a part of.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm gonna be honest here, okay?
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Here's what I'm putting together.
On this very episode, he said, literally like, everything they're doing, everything they say we're doing is what they're doing.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
Now, I would say that that is revelatory about what he's doing.
And...
I'm going to say that he worships Satan, because this is the behavior of someone who worships Satan.
dan friesen
That was just when he was younger.
jordan holmes
I don't think he stopped!
dan friesen
Why isn't that a possibility?
It's a long-term theory of yours, I understand that.
So, look, dude, I think that this episode is really fucked up.
There's multiple incitements towards listeners going to places that Alex seems to want to...
Get out of hand.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
A little bit.
jordan holmes
Even if I was the shithead pastor of that church, I would be like, Alex, no, no, no, no, no.
We don't.
No, no, no, no.
alex jones
We don't want that.
dan friesen
We want support, but you're...
jordan holmes
This is bad.
You're bad support.
dan friesen
And really, honestly, Sheila wants to bring up that this could all be solved if all the pastors in the area weren't...
Against this guy?
sheila gunn reid
It's very disappointing to see some of the other pastors in the area say, well, why isn't this church making the same sacrifices that I am?
alex jones
Oh, they make it a sacrifice not to be shut down.
They make it a sacrifice to traffic kids.
They make it a sacrifice to submit.
Those aren't real churches, and God knows it.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
sheila gunn reid
These other pastors, I mean, if they can reconcile...
alex jones
These aren't pastors.
These are World Council of Churches, Rockefeller pimps.
dan friesen
So this is a point of the episode where I was sort of lost in thought, and I started to think...
I have an interesting thought experiment.
Maybe it's not a thought experiment.
Sure.
Rhetorical question.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Do you think that Alex Jones could name a living member of the Rockefeller family?
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
Zero percent chance.
dan friesen
I don't think he could.
jordan holmes
No.
I do like that this also plays into what should be very obvious to anybody.
If it weren't for immigration and racism, Christians would be murdering each other left and right.
They hate each other.
They don't believe the same shit.
They're all nonsense.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, with this letter of the 28 religious leaders in Alberta, they were all like, hey, come on.
Let's take this seriously.
jordan holmes
Do you know what was in that letter?
Even the Church of Satan is willing to...
dan friesen
That letter was delivered from a truck.
jordan holmes
From a truck, yes.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's rare that you get, you know, Christian, Muslim, Jewish...
Buddhist communities walking arm-in-arm with the Satanists.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
But this church is enough of a pain in the ass.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, guys.
They're giving us a bad name.
dan friesen
Alex is trying to get people to go to this church and have it be their Stalingrad.
Someone's Stalingrad.
jordan holmes
Anybody's Stalingrad.
dan friesen
In order for this to sound better, he wants...
Sheila to do it.
jordan holmes
He wants her to tell everybody to go there.
dan friesen
Yeah, because then he could be like, ah, she did it.
I didn't do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
Implicate somebody else in your crime.
dan friesen
She's not as into it as Alex hopes.
alex jones
I feel it.
I see it.
I think there'll be 5,000 people tomorrow, 10,000 this weekend.
I think they've jumped the shark.
jordan holmes
Call.
alex jones
You need to do it.
Beautiful.
Beautiful soul.
Tell people, Sheila Gunn-Reed, come peacefully now.
Call them.
Tell them.
sheila gunn reid
If people are going to come to support Grace Life, they welcome the support.
But if you're coming, come peacefully and come respectfully.
They would appreciate your support.
They need it now more than ever.
Their church has been seized by the state.
They need all the support that they can get.
alex jones
And obviously we want to be peaceful, but we need you to call them.
Say, help us, call them.
sheila gunn reid
Well, I don't want to speak for the church, Alex.
I really don't want to speak for the church.
alex jones
But just as a Canadian, as a human, I'm just saying, everyone needs to hear you call for that.
I'm calling for it.
We call for people to stand up for religious freedom.
sheila gunn reid
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I'll go that far.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'll support religious freedom.
Isn't this what, like, journalists do?
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
Is this what Alex thinks reporters do?
They come on shows and try and...
unidentified
Demand murders!
dan friesen
I mean, if she's supposed to be covering this story, it doesn't make sense for the interview to end with him begging her to call people to come to this church.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's bad.
dan friesen
Yeah, this isn't any kind of reporting.
This is, at best, activism, and at worst, and in reality, incitement.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This episode is nuts.
jordan holmes
Sheila, you're a bad person.
dan friesen
I mean, I think she's...
I don't know enough about her to really have a full picture, but based on her behavior, I think she's trying to stay a little more neutral than Alex wants her to be.
unidentified
I do.
jordan holmes
I do agree with you there.
dan friesen
She doesn't understand that Alex is like...
She's talking to a guy who's a parody version of a right-wing media outlet.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
She's used to, you know...
jordan holmes
Pretend seriousness.
dan friesen
And at least like...
I don't necessarily want to get sued.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't seem to care.
I'm behaving in ways where I clearly want people to fucking sue me.
jordan holmes
I fear consequences, and Alex apparently doesn't.
In Canada, we might get consequences.
In America, Alex receives none.
dan friesen
Alex has learned over the course of his career not to respect the idea of chickens coming home to roost.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's why he behaves the way he does.
jordan holmes
Yeah, pretty much.
dan friesen
I listened to this episode and I was blown away by like, okay, I thought that video was bad.
I still think it's bad.
jordan holmes
I think it's terrible.
dan friesen
I think it's legally actionable and, you know, whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I didn't expect for the episode afterwards to be worse.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was surprised.
unidentified
I thought we were going to have a little fun clowning on that dumb video.
jordan holmes
I hadn't seen it, so I was waiting for the show, obviously.
dan friesen
There's not much to see.
jordan holmes
Instead, we got a concentrated bullion cube of racism and incitement to violence.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And I really, I mean, I mean this.
I hope that nothing happens.
jordan holmes
Yeah, me too.
dan friesen
His behavior in the past has led to people going and fucking with people and victimizing people in ways that are irresponsible and terrible.
And for him to have two targets of, like, everyone's gotta go to these places in one day is really, really scary, what it could portend.
Now, admittedly, it could lead to nothing.
But the danger is there, and that is...
I just don't think it's acceptable to act this way.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, see, can't you see in a courtroom, like, Your Honor, in this trial we aim to prove that Alex Jones did another Pizzagate, so if we prove that, then he goes away forever, right?
That's good.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I'm a bad prosecutor.
dan friesen
Yeah, certainly.
I don't know how you do that in court, but just for the sake of a podcast that explores these things.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I think you can definitely say he's behaving in exactly the same ways as he has when things have gone bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's bad.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Not good.
jordan holmes
We should learn from the things that have already happened.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think that would be wise.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, fingers crossed, things work out okay.
And I guess we'll find out on our next episode.
jordan holmes
I am calling on people to not go to the border or that church.
I strongly call on everyone to not do either of those things.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm in favor of people.
jordan holmes
Stay home!
Have a nice little cocktail.
Isn't that better than going to the border or a weird church in Canada?
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
I think so.
dan friesen
And we will be back.
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Oh, wait.
I forgot.
Also, like I said, our Monday episode will be on Wednesday.
jordan holmes
It'll be on Wednesday, yes.
unidentified
But...
dan friesen
If I'm feeling better, I might put out a little funny, fun thing on Monday.
We'll see.
jordan holmes
We'll see.
dan friesen
Also, we're going to be on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
Go to Ben Jordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
If you would like to download the show, and if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work.
dan friesen
We'll be back, but until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, I'm Daryl Rundis.
alex jones
So what do you think about them apples?
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Alex, I'm a first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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