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Jan. 25, 2021 - Knowledge Fight
01:58:40
#524: Inauguration 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan look at the Infowars coverage of the events of January 20th, when Joe Biden was inaugurated as president. In this installment, Alex plans his show terribly and one of his employees has perhaps the most racist day in his young career.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
07:17
d
dan friesen
01:02:20
h
harrison smith
13:00
j
jordan holmes
23:09
Appearances
j
joe biden
01:37
r
robert barnes
01:04
s
stewart rhodes
03:45
Clips
a
alan dershowitz
00:14
j
john rappaport
00:28
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan!
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's your bright spot today?
My bright spot today, Jordan, is actually a little bit of something that we need to play catch up on a tiny bit.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
A little bit back.
We got something in the mailbags.
Yep.
From Hannah out in Erie, Pennsylvania.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
And I need to make good on this.
jordan holmes
How are her sisters doing?
dan friesen
They're great.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
dan friesen
Hannah sent us some chocolates.
Okay.
From Erie, Pennsylvania.
The pride of Erie.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Some sponge candy from two different brands.
Okay.
Romolo.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And what is this other one?
It's Stefa-something or other.
jordan holmes
Stefa-something or other.
dan friesen
Stefanelli!
jordan holmes
Stefanelli!
dan friesen
I like it.
Hannah asked us to...
How did Hannah put it?
There is a rivalry between two families in Erie that are chocolatiers.
One makes a chocolate that is deemed, quote, better than the other.
I want you two to do a blindish taste test between the two milk chocolate sponge candies.
And so we did that before the show, because chewing into the mic does disgust.
jordan holmes
Many people find it horrific.
dan friesen
We don't want to set anyone off.
So we've tried these, and Hannah would like us to guess which one is the classier one, or just considered the classier one, and I say it's Stefanelli's.
jordan holmes
And I say it is Gondola's.
Nope.
dan friesen
Romolo.
Yeah, Gondola.
jordan holmes
Gondola.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I got Gondor on the brain, so...
No, I say it's the reverse.
dan friesen
My bright spot is that I think I'm pretty sure I'm right in advance.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying that you're not.
I'm just...
I'm playing the game.
dan friesen
Exactly.
We were talking about this before we started recording as we were eating the chocolates, and your reason for choosing Romolo is almost oppositional defiance.
jordan holmes
No, it is not!
Why would you ask the question?
We both agree which one tastes better.
dan friesen
Because it's a local thing.
It's something that people outside of Erie probably don't know too much about, these rival chocolatiers.
Hatfields and McCoys of chocolate.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
I just assumed that one of them, if it's better, it's the less, or if the one that people assume is better is the one that we're supposed to say is not as good.
dan friesen
I don't think that either of them were bad.
jordan holmes
No, no, they're both delicious.
dan friesen
They were both fine.
I just think the Romolo was a little bit...
The chocolate was a little too dry.
jordan holmes
A little thicker?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Doesn't melt in your mouth.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
dan friesen
Anyway, that's my bright spot.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
Sponge candy.
jordan holmes
It's delicious.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Jordan?
jordan holmes
Dan, I have the rare triple bright spot.
The rare triple bright spot.
dan friesen
He's batting for the cycle.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Wait, you need quadruple for that.
jordan holmes
First things first, somebody reached out to me, sent me an email, and they had done a better job of converting my terrible PDF into an EPUB and a Mobi than I could ever do.
dan friesen
Oh, that's awesome.
jordan holmes
Yeah, huge shout out to Old Man Sitco, as he would like to be named.
dan friesen
Yeah, the formatting of your book left something to be desired.
unidentified
It was awful.
jordan holmes
I tried everything 30 different times.
dan friesen
It's hard.
jordan holmes
It's just like, I can't.
Yeah.
But he did an amazing job.
Second, I was going back through my...
I've been writing about music for a while now.
dan friesen
Sure.
Mostly Taylor Swift.
jordan holmes
Digging...
Almost entirely Taylor Swift.
But I've been digging through all my old crates and stuff like that, and I finally re-listened to the Feist version of Lover's Spit by The Broken Social Scene.
I think it was off Beehives or something like that.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So good.
Her voice...
Manages to be both sonorous and breathy at the same time, and it's incredible.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
It's beautiful.
And then the third is something that you just gave to me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, I didn't give it to you.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, you did not.
You handed it to me, physically, that comes from the, what was mine again?
dan friesen
What?
unidentified
I had a mail bin?
jordan holmes
What did I have?
dan friesen
I don't know.
A box?
unidentified
It's not my job to remember your passive-aggressive bits.
dan friesen
That's not my job.
jordan holmes
I just thought you would be offended enough by them that you...
Anyways...
I was sent...
dan friesen
Yeah, from Amy.
jordan holmes
From Amy.
dan friesen
Raptor Princess Amy.
jordan holmes
Raptor Princess Amy, a signed copy of, I believe, the first American edition of The Long Dark Tea Time of the Soul by Douglas Adams.
dan friesen
Your favorite book of Doug's.
jordan holmes
It is maybe my favorite book.
This one and So Long and Thanks for All the Fish are my two favorites.
dan friesen
That's really awesome.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's such an amazing...
jordan holmes
No, it's incredible.
dan friesen
And actually, in that package, I also got a survival heirloom.
jordan holmes
Yes, gorgeous.
dan friesen
And some awesome socks.
Little known fact about Dan.
I'm a man who likes funny socks.
jordan holmes
He's a man who likes funny socks.
dan friesen
One of them says crazy cat dude and has some cats on it.
And the other one is Pro Wrestling.
I love it.
jordan holmes
I'm very excited.
dan friesen
So thank you, Amy.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
I was going to get to that on our next mini-episode.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Since it's one of your bright spots.
jordan holmes
I can't.
I mean, I have to.
You handed it to me, and I need to tell the world because it's incredible for me.
It's a huge moment.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm very excited.
dan friesen
We might have to stop the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I'm a little overstimulated right now.
But it's incredible.
dan friesen
Take some breaths.
jordan holmes
I will.
dan friesen
Because we've got some stuff to go over today.
unidentified
I will.
dan friesen
Today, Jordan, we're going to be going over Inauguration 2021 Blackjack.
Blackjack!
jordan holmes
Now you're so fast.
dan friesen
But I'm trying to beat you to it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I gotta race you.
This is gonna get weird.
unidentified
Yeah, it is.
dan friesen
The rule is you can't start saying blackjack until one gets out of my mouth.
jordan holmes
No, it's traditional Jeopardy rules you have to buzz in.
So on Jeopardy, you have to wait until the question is finished, and then you have like.001 second to buzz in, and whoever does it fastest, but if you click it too soon...
dan friesen
Do I have to buzz?
jordan holmes
No, you don't have to buzz.
It's just a game.
dan friesen
We'll figure it out as we go along.
Anyway, we're talking about Inauguration Day, and Alex set out to do a marathon all day.
And part of the reason for this is that he was expecting a false flag terrorist attack to happen.
Totally.
It did not happen.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And so it kind of falls apart, the idea of it being a marathon.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
Pretty quick.
So today what we're going to be doing is we're going to be going over the American Journal, hosted by Harrison Smith.
Okay.
Some other issues about Harrison Smith.
Right.
Then Alex Jones' show until John Rappaport takes over the fourth hour.
I was going to also do the War Room, but by that point, this thing had ground to a halt to such an extent that I just was like, I got no interest in this.
And the American Journal, I honestly think, was a bit more interesting than I expected it to be, and there's some issues that we really need to talk about.
All right, let's do it.
Fucking ding-dong named Harrison.
Also, I'd like to say what could have been one of my bright spots is all the stories that are coming out about Alex losing his appeal in the Texas Supreme Court.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
We are aware of that, but inauguration must be taken care of before we jump down that road, so we'll deal with that later in the week.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
For all those who are champing at the bit for us to get to that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Before we get down to inauguration, though...
We've got to thank some Joe Biden donors.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a good idea.
dan friesen
I don't know that to be the case at all.
I don't know if any...
Some people who supported our show had signed up in our policy wonks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So first, Elliot Morgan, thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Elliot!
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Don DeGrandpre's ghost.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Don DeGrandpre.
How's he doing in heaven?
No.
unidentified
Bad news.
dan friesen
Well, he's doing good in heaven, actually.
jordan holmes
Is he doing good in heaven?
I don't think he made it.
dan friesen
Grifter heaven.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Next, Andrew Kemp.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Andrew!
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Corey.
And actually, Corey made an interesting request, and that is that he'd like to be known as a policy nonk.
So congratulations, Corey.
You're a policy nonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy nonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, policy nonk, Corey.
I see Corey's a dog.
dan friesen
Could be.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Next, I'm a doctor and my time is precious.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, and we agree.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Next, Mr. Muscarello, a very fine fellow.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
jordan holmes
Why not Mr. Toad's Wild Ride?
Let's just roll with it.
dan friesen
Magorium's Wonder Emporium.
Then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple folks who signed up on an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So Jody C, not the band Jodacy.
jordan holmes
Jody C. Jody.
dan friesen
Yes, thank you so much, you are now a technocrat.
Lord Subwald, thank you so much, you are now a technocrat.
jordan holmes
But it was the band Lord Subwald.
dan friesen
Yes, it was.
And Dan didn't read my joke name when I became a policy wonk.
Thank you so much, you are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate, that's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, all.
And there's a certain irony to this, too, and that is that I still didn't say whatever the joke name is.
jordan holmes
Well, I was thinking about it, and I was like, our inability to get to your joke name immediately is in some ways a passive extortion.
Yeah, you gotta get up to Technocrat if you wanna jump out of the line.
dan friesen
But that's not the joke name.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
I don't know what the joke name was.
I don't know.
I lose track.
I can't keep track of this stuff.
Anyway, Jordan, we're gonna jump in here at the beginning.
Where it all started.
In the beginning, there was the word.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, we're going all the way back, huh?
dan friesen
No, let's skip that a little bit.
jordan holmes
Okay, move forward.
dan friesen
The beginning of the day.
jordan holmes
Abraham begat, and then, okay.
dan friesen
Eventually you get down the line and you find Harrison Smith.
jordan holmes
There we are.
dan friesen
And he's sitting at a desk, and America has fallen.
unidentified
Okay.
harrison smith
You're watching American Journal.
This is a dirge of sorts.
A funeral song for the United States, for the Republic as we know it.
This is now a wartime broadcast.
America, the Republic has fallen.
jordan holmes
Again.
harrison smith
With Donald Trump vacating the office, leaving the White House, and taking Air Force One, while he still can, to Florida.
dan friesen
These people are intensely dramatic.
jordan holmes
I know, this is so...
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I think I start to realize when I look through the prism of people similar to Harrison or to Mike Adams, and they're just overly dramatic tendencies, I kind of realize that Alex is the same, except the way it manifests isn't like this weird...
Over-the-top, maudlin America has fallen.
It's kind of sci-fi and a little horror-y.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I think that's why it's a little bit less, like, obviously, like, really dramatic.
jordan holmes
It is a little bit, like...
What's going on is these are all the theater kids who are so into masculinity, they couldn't join the theater program.
And so they're trying to get all this theater kid stuff out.
dan friesen
I would have been a theater kid, but they were too inclusive.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Totally.
100%.
dan friesen
Yeah, I tried debate.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I had to play football because I was too manly.
dan friesen
Harrison did not play football.
jordan holmes
No, well, that's probably true.
He's too much of a theater kid.
dan friesen
Too much.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, there's an interesting dynamic that's going on throughout most of the coverage here on the 20th, and that is wrestling with Trump's legacy in the last hour of his presidency.
Harrison comes solidly down on the side of, that dude done fucked up.
harrison smith
And I gotta be honest, Donald Trump completely failed.
Utterly, totally failed.
I was having this debate with...
My dad yesterday, and he was saying, you know, Trump was probably the greatest president in my lifetime.
I said, doesn't matter.
He failed.
He left us not with any lasting triumph, but with ash.
dan friesen
You got some ash.
I mean, I think a lot of people probably predicted this.
jordan holmes
Who?
dan friesen
How?
unidentified
Why?
dan friesen
When?
jordan holmes
What kind of person would possibly have predicted this?
Remember when he was elected president, Dan?
We were meant to give him a chance.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's tough, I guess, to hear aspiring authoritarian dictator servers sad that they don't get to...
You know, that their guy wasn't strong enough to get them to the point where they could be his servants.
jordan holmes
I was hoping that the boot I was licking was strong and powerful, and it turns out it was weak, ineffectual, and a grifter just like my boot.
dan friesen
I can't believe that my tongue made it all the way through that boot.
jordan holmes
So quickly, too.
How many licks does it take to get to the center of Trump's boot?
dan friesen
I will say this about Harrison, though.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
For all the, like, hey, Trump has failed kind of talk, he's a big man.
He's a big man.
And he's big enough to admit that he was wrong.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Although this clip is only 34 seconds long, and it ends with him saying, I wasn't actually wrong.
jordan holmes
Okay, well.
harrison smith
We thought he had what it took to do what was necessary to save this country.
And it would...
I guess it would feel embarrassing.
If I cared about that sort of thing.
I'm not too big to admit that we were wrong.
We weren't wrong, really.
He could have.
He could have done it.
He just didn't.
He just didn't do it.
He didn't do it.
He didn't.
Have what it takes.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
I'm big enough to admit we were wrong.
Actually, never mind.
dan friesen
I am not.
Never mind.
unidentified
We weren't wrong.
jordan holmes
Indeed, I am not big enough to admit we were wrong.
dan friesen
Hold on.
Late breaking news.
harrison smith
We weren't wrong.
jordan holmes
Excuse me, sir.
Denial can only get to you the cliff.
It cannot get you to jump over it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's pretty amazing.
I'm a big enough man to admit I was wrong.
Actually, I was right.
unidentified
Trump fucked up.
jordan holmes
I do like that he's completely missing the point of being a big enough man, is the sense of, like, I am an adult by immediately undercutting it.
dan friesen
Well, and I think also...
It's my experience that when you talk about being big enough to admit you're wrong, that's usually the byproduct of introspection.
And it's clear that this isn't something that has been...
Huh, what was it that led us down the road to thinking that Trump was going to be our king?
jordan holmes
No, it's almost like he'd heard other people say I'm a big enough man to admit when I'm wrong a lot.
dan friesen
Maybe his dad, who was debating.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, this is supposed to be the thing that I say, and then he walks it back because he doesn't understand it whatsoever.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there's another thing that's going on on Infowars right now, of course.
Anybody who's listened to our show is aware of this.
They're really mad at Q and QAnon.
And so Harrison is also there.
And he has this expression that he keeps using, and that is, politics is war deferred.
But that deferment no longer exists.
unidentified
Okay.
harrison smith
We've never lied to you, folks.
We have never put a friendly face on something that was horrific.
We have never told you to trust the plan.
People were working behind the scenes that you needed to do nothing.
jordan holmes
Oh, really?
harrison smith
We've always...
Shot straight here at Infowars.
jordan holmes
Oh, really?
harrison smith
That's what I'm going to try to do today.
I'm going to try to do it in a way that doesn't get me on a list of some sort.
Because this is a brave new world.
unidentified
Yuck.
harrison smith
This is a new situation that we're in.
We've been discussing it this entire week, really ever since the 6th.
dan friesen
Drink some coffee.
harrison smith
It is no longer safe to Hurry it up.
Express yourself believing that the First Amendment will protect you.
jordan holmes
He says broadcasting live.
harrison smith
It's not the case anymore.
We'll go through some major stories that show you that.
unidentified
He says lying on air to millions.
harrison smith
Rant Alex Jones went on yesterday that I think lays it out fairly well.
Because this is a war now.
If politics is war deferred, if politics is a Replacement for war, where people we elect do our fighting for us in the halls of government rather than us brawling it out in the streets.
unidentified
that Thank you.
harrison smith
Is no longer the case.
dan friesen
So I guess it's time to brawl in the streets, Harrison.
jordan holmes
I don't like his understanding of politics very much.
It can't be war-deferred and also a replacement for war.
It's a delaying tactic.
If that's your description of democracy, we have a real problem.
dan friesen
It's troubling.
I think, again, this is just like him repeating things he's heard.
That do sound pretty good if you're not paying attention.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they do sound good.
dan friesen
Yeah, they roll off you pretty okay.
jordan holmes
Politics is war-deferred.
Sounds like something someone strong would say.
dan friesen
Now here's the thing that's really funny.
He's introducing a report from Alex.
Because Alex went on that rant about migrants.
And so he's going to play that.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But what's really funny is that at the end of that rant that Alex did, he throws it to a Harrison Smith piece.
And so at the end of the video that Harrison plays, Alex references a Harrison Smith video, and then there's a long silence where Harrison's like, oh, God.
jordan holmes
Okay, so it's like an Ouroboros of bullshit.
unidentified
Yeah.
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But this gets Harrison into thinking about how, like, hey, if you're white and you're young, shit's gonna be bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Calm down.
This is going to get really bad.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But if you're like 50, you can just go out to the woods and wait it out.
unidentified
You'll be fine.
dan friesen
All right.
But your children.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Oh, think of the children.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
harrison smith
If you're over 50 or whatever, you might be able to live the rest of your life off your meager retirement.
Enjoy it.
Have a nice little place in the mountains.
Watch the sunset.
Drink your wine.
Listen to your old music.
But your children and your children's children are going to be a despised minority with no rights, no future, no ability to make anything of themselves, robbed constantly, and the money given to people who hate them in order to replace them.
jordan holmes
Okay.
harrison smith
So you can't just ignore this anymore.
And if you do, you're part of the problem.
You need to be involved.
You need to be aware.
And we need to fight.
Not politically.
Literally.
I'm not calling for violence.
I'm letting you know violence is upon us.
It will be implemented through the state.
Slowly but surgically.
dan friesen
So there seems to be very little difference between that mentality that Harrison is expressing and the tiki torch-wielding Nazis at the Unite the Right rally chanting, Jews will not replace us.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm gonna go with zero difference.
dan friesen
I listen to Infowars a lot, and even from my perspective, that was a very explicit, overt plea to white nationalism.
To the point where I was shocked by how blunt it was.
I was wondering what was up here, so I went to the American Journal page on band.video, and there's some pretty mask-off stuff going on over there.
jordan holmes
That doesn't surprise me.
dan friesen
Perhaps the most telling video title you'll immediately be confronted by is from January 21st, titled, quote, Stop White Genocide.
That is an intensely direct title for a video, and the description really says it all.
Quote, Harrison Smith explains why migration is the choice weapon of the elite when trying to dominate and destroy a population.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Oof.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
It's tough to be more clear than this.
Harrison Smith is explicitly disseminating white nationalist narratives on the Infowars morning show, which, if I recall correctly, is supposed to be almost entirely phone calls.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I do remember that being the plan.
dan friesen
This is not something that's just, like, tacitly supported by Alex by virtue of the fact that it's on his network.
It's just a more explicit recitation of the talking points that Alex himself spouts constantly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's almost like Alex hired Steve Doocy.
dan friesen
I didn't want to just point out that Harrison put out a video decrying his fears about white genocide and then say that the work was done.
There are far too many lazy commentators who will react to titles of things without looking at the body of the piece, and I strive not to fall into that trap.
So I watched the video.
The structure that Harrison is going for is to make the argument that the treatment of white Europeans in the United States is the same as the treatment of the Uyghur people by the Chinese government.
And if people are comfortable with saying that the treatment of the Uyghurs could be called genocide, then Harrison's well within his rights to claim that white people are the target of a genocide here and in Europe.
unidentified
Uh...
dan friesen
Right.
Yeah.
For instance, he mentions that the Chinese government is accused of forcing Uyghurs to be sterilized or be required to take birth control.
Harrison then claims that this is the same as the US offering people birth control, and that somehow decades of propaganda are responsible for people making family planning choices.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
This is a completely insane false equivalence, and I don't see a good way for Harrison to defend that flimsy-ass plank in his argument.
So he doesn't.
He just says it.
jordan holmes
No, I don't think there's any way not to hear him say this and think what you're saying is...
White men are going to be treated like white men have treated everybody else in this country, and that's worthy of killing everyone.
dan friesen
Maybe.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So then, Harrison gets to the point in the video where the argument pivots to immigration.
Because at this point, you know, at the beginning he's laying out this groundwork and he's saying that it's the same as the treatment of the Uyghurs.
Sure.
Nonsense.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
Harrison's primary source that he's reading from is a July 4th article that was posted on NPR.
Here, Harrison discusses his contention that white people are being the subject of genocide.
harrison smith
As the government, and get this, if this isn't genocide, I don't know what is.
jordan holmes
No, you don't.
harrison smith
The government has brought millions of Han Chinese settlers into the region with promises of high salary, jobs, and free housing.
My God!
Ethnic migrants?
Economic migrants coming into a region for high-paying jobs?
That's genocide, obviously, when it's in China.
jordan holmes
What about here?
harrison smith
It's diversity here.
You have to understand the distinction, folks.
jordan holmes
Do you support giving First Nations land back?
harrison smith
When it's going on and happening to you, it's a good thing.
It's diversity.
It's our strength.
It's what we need when it's happening to Uyghur Muslims in China.
It's genocide by God!
What about white people?
I don't know.
I mean...
Hello.
Hello.
Come on.
Wake up.
Damn it.
dan friesen
So, a couple of important points here.
The first is that the guy who was interviewed by NPR does not say that the form of immigration that Harrison is discussing is genocide.
He says that it's a part of a, quote, policy of ethno-racial domination, which is still bad, but it's not the same thing.
Harrison stops reading right before the guy says, quote, the reason why this has changed, we do need to probably call it a genocide, is quite simply because the evidence now, for the first time, very specifically meets one of the five criteria set forth by the UN Convention.
says the suppression of birth.
This guy is clearly expressing that bringing the Han Chinese to replace Uyghur workers doesn't meet the definition of genocide, but now that there's evidence of birth suppression, That does meet the definition, according to this guy.
Harrison is completely misrepresenting this researcher's words because his agenda is to yell about immigration to the United States and stress white aggrievement, not to cover any of these issues in a meaningful way that helps the audience better understand the world and hopefully pushes public opinion towards better policy preferences.
He's trying to make white people scared of non-white people, and he's trying to use the prop of the Chinese state oppression in order to justify his shoddy arguments.
None of the complaints that Harrison brings up here rise to the level of meeting the UN definition of genocide which is the standard of the conversation as presented in his primary source.
Article 2 of the UN Convention lays out the five acts that constitute genocide, and what makes it an even more difficult argument for Harrison to make is that it says, quote, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group.
The word intent is going to be a really serious problem for Harrison.
I mean, I would just have to say...
jordan holmes
Manifest Destiny.
And if you want to start pulling some shit, then fine.
Start giving land back to the First Nations.
Otherwise, shut the fuck up.
Because these are the people who celebrate Manifest Destiny as the greatest thing that's ever happened.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it had something to do with God telling...
Yeah.
So Harrison goes on to complain some more in this piece.
We're taking a little side tour into his Stop White Genocide video.
So this isn't from the inauguration day.
But I got really sort of curious when he was talking about your ancestors being a hated minority and all that.
I was like, this seems like code.
And I wanted to understand a little better.
And then I found this Stop White Genocide piece.
I was like, holy shit.
harrison smith
The United Nations Convention for the Punishment and Prevention of the Crime of Genocide from 1948 specifies the suppression of birth as one of the primary attributes of a genocide.
Now, if I was some sort of insane conspiracy theorist, I might point to the ongoing attempt by many, many mainstream outlets to suppress the birth rate of white Americans.
Say, white people don't have children.
You shouldn't have children, white people.
And it goes on and on and on.
We've seen this headline over and over again.
But that's not genocide.
That's a good thing, because remember, white people bad.
dan friesen
I don't think that makes Harrison sound like a conspiracy theorist.
I think it makes him sound like a flagrant racist.
jordan holmes
That's exactly what it makes him sound like.
dan friesen
Harrison Smith isn't seeing the media constantly saying that white people shouldn't have kids because they're not.
He's seeing things like interracial couples represented in commercials and sitcoms, and he's experiencing that as an attempt to say that white people shouldn't just reproduce with each other.
I decided to check out what happens when you Google white people shouldn't have kids.
Looking for some headlines?
Looking for some, you know, digging around?
jordan holmes
Can I guess, just real quick, you are going to find roughly 10,000 reactionary right-wing articles about this, and very few, if any.
dan friesen
Not so much.
I found, like, the first eight results are just about raising children who are capable of talking about race issues.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's nice.
dan friesen
They don't say that white people shouldn't have kids.
The ninth result is a 2017 article out of The Independent titled, quote, Seven Reasons People Shouldn't Have Children According to Science.
That has nothing to do with white people not having kids.
It's more of an exploration of the research into things like changing friendships after one person has a kid and the other doesn't, or how, according to one poll, quote, non-parents tend to lead healthier lifestyles than parents.
jordan holmes
Was that the one...
Okay, that was 2017, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I was interviewed for that one, and they rejected mine, which was white people don't have kids.
dan friesen
Oh.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe Harrison got the early version.
jordan holmes
Maybe Harrison accidentally talked to that one.
dan friesen
Then the results go back to being about, you know, people being...
Being able to talk about race with children.
The closest thing that gets really...
The closest to really complex racial issues that you find is that there's a couple articles about the dynamics of adoption.
jordan holmes
Yeah, trans adoption is a real huge...
dan friesen
You see some articles discussing that, but that's not what Harrison's talking about.
It took me until page 7 of the search results to actually even find an article that's actually about people advocating that people not have children.
And again, it's not race-based.
There's a 2019 editorial piece in the BBC about a group called the Antinatalists, who just want no one to have kids.
And there's also the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement, but that's not racially based either.
jordan holmes
I assume Harrison also looked up a lot of New York Times articles and the like from anywhere between...
1878 and 1939, whenever everyone was advocating for black people to voluntarily not have children ever again?
unidentified
Nah.
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I would like some citations.
I don't think that Harrison's making a serious point here.
I think this is just a white identity talking point being presented as if it represents reality.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And that's...
Fucking gross.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I would like more ideas.
I would like concrete examples of what white men are going to face.
Young white men are going to face.
And I would like him to put those up on a wall somewhere just so we can refer back to them every time one of them occurs.
dan friesen
I also just resent when people like this present this idea that we've seen all the hundred articles telling white people not to have kids.
I haven't.
jordan holmes
Name one.
Pick one.
unidentified
Pick one.
dan friesen
And also, it can't be something that's clearly satire.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it can't be something that you said.
jordan holmes
Okay, if it's McSweeney's or me, then you don't get to reference it.
dan friesen
So, like I said, this entire argument really just hinges on Harrison trying to make the treatment of white people be equivalent to the Uyghur and other minority treatment in China.
jordan holmes
Sure.
harrison smith
I want to continue to lay out the case for white genocide, I guess, is what I'm doing here.
Because, after all, I'm one of these crazy conspiracy theorists that think genocide is bad.
I know.
It's just nutty.
I have this weird consistency where I think the genocide of the Uyghur people in China is bad, and I think the genocide of European people in Europe is also bad.
I don't understand the complex geography that goes into determining whether one is bad or not.
I'm just such a simple guy.
To me, genocide equals bad.
And I just don't have...
The college thinking, the university brain that's necessary to understand why it's good when it's against white people and bad when it's against the Uyghur minority.
I just am too dumb, I guess.
I don't know.
dan friesen
I don't think Harrison is too stupid.
His problem isn't stupidity or not understanding, it's that he's outrageously racist, and he's also unfortunately smart enough to know that it's bad for business to just admit that and live openly.
That's why he has to make these strained comparisons and false equivalencies to try to pretend that the experience of being white in the United States Sure.
Sure.
Any right-thinking person would hear that argument and recognize pretty quickly how stupid it is.
But that's because it's a crypto argument.
The argument, or the false equivalence, doesn't actually exist to be taken seriously.
It's only there because Harrison knows he can't come out and express his true white nationalist positions without consequences.
I wouldn't say that genocide against Uyghurs is bad and genocide against white people is good.
I would contest Harrison's point that the situations each group are facing are in any way comparable, and that's where Harrison's argument would completely fall apart.
I know that because I was listening to a 20-minute video where he's trying to defend that premise, and he's failing embarrassingly and really letting his racism show.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But, that said, the Lonely Shepherd by Zamfir slaps.
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
Okay.
dan friesen
The King of the Pan Flute.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
Harrison does have a couple decent music choices.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He has some good cues that I haven't heard from other Infowars shows, including The Lonely Shepherd.
Yeah.
I mean, I guess it's the morning show.
You've got to be a little chiller.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That pan flute really does.
jordan holmes
That wakes you up.
dan friesen
I do love that Zamphir branded himself the king of the pan flute as if it was a crowded space.
Pop culture pan flutist.
jordan holmes
I think that's why you have to brand yourself as a bombastic something, otherwise people aren't.
People aren't going to be like, oh, this guy's really good at the pamphlet.
He's the king of the pamphlet.
dan friesen
It's like Chuck Mangione.
He's the king of the flugelhorn.
jordan holmes
He is the king of the flugelhorn.
That's true.
dan friesen
No one's going to fuck with his title.
jordan holmes
He's not wrong.
He's not wrong.
dan friesen
Oh, The Children of Sanchez.
Such a good song.
Good soundtrack.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Anyway, Harrison gets to going about.
He just keeps going.
unidentified
Yeah.
harrison smith
The 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, which has been ratified by at least 149 countries, including China, defines genocide as any of these acts committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, killing its members, causing them seriously bodily or mental harm.
By the way, vast, vast majority of suicides, vast majority of medication for depression.
It's all on white people, but that's a good thing because white people are evil.
dan friesen
So even assuming that everything Harrison just said is true from a statistical perspective, it's still meaningless in terms of his argument that there's a white genocide going on.
Again, he's using this 1948 UN definition of genocide that includes the word intent as a really important element of the definition.
I mean, Harrison works for Infowars, so he probably shouldn't even care what the UN thinks about the subject, but he's operating off that definition, so that's the conversation that's being had.
In order for his argument to carry any weight, Harrison is gonna have to demonstrate and prove the following.
One, that there are, in fact, disproportionate medication and suicide rates between races that cannot be explained by other factors, like income inequality or access to healthcare.
Two, that this is the result of a concerted plan by some group as an attempt to destroy white people.
Harrison can't even come close to either of these.
The best he can do is suggest that mental health practices, like psychiatric medication, are an attempt to kill off white people, and suggest that that's the way it is because someone's out to get white people.
That's all he can do.
Because there is no argument here.
There's only an appeal to emotion.
Only an appeal to fear.
This is an attempt to give racist people listening a way to express their racism without sounding racist.
And it's honestly pretty pathetic.
Also, a recent paper from the Division of Vital Statistics out of the CDC reflects that in 2017, once you adjust for population, the group with by far the highest rate of suicide is non-Hispanic American Indian or Alaska Native women.
I eagerly await Harrison's coverage of that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would be interested to hear that.
Oh, I know.
I wouldn't be interested to hear that.
dan friesen
So in order to bolster his claims that there's a white genocide going on, Harrison brings up the case of Ireland.
He seems to think that their entire population is going to be replaced with immigrants because of a need to do so in order to make their pension system work.
Here's the profoundly racist and idiotic way that his segment on white genocide ends, and I will explain to you on the other side why this is very dumb.
harrison smith
I don't like what's happening to the Uyghurs in China.
We should be defending these people who are being systematically eradicated.
By their governmental organizations.
And on the other hand, I don't want the people of Ireland to be systematically eliminated by their super state governmental organization.
I don't think the pension system is worth replacing every single person in your country with a foreigner.
There's plenty to go around.
Hell, there's more Bangladeshis in a single district of a single city of that country than there are in the entire nation of Ireland.
So maybe we can help out Ireland.
Maybe we can help increase the birth rates.
Maybe we can stop this genocide, at least in Ireland.
And then maybe we can expand that to the rest of the world and recognize that white people are a global minority, the least population out of any racial division.
If you want to take the big ones, Asian, black, whatever.
Whites are the smallest and they're being jubilated.
And that's the headline.
Stop white genocide.
dan friesen
So Harrison is working off a primary source that's an article in The Independent out of Ireland.
The headline of the article is, quote, Ireland needs four million migrants to sustain state pension system.
Harrison takes that information and combines it with the fact that Ireland's population is only like five million, so that must mean that they want to replace everyone with immigrants to save the pension system.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds like the Irish.
dan friesen
The problem is that Harrison didn't do any work, like even reading the article.
The first thing that jumps out at you if you do read the article is that the idea that the country needed four million migrants to make the pension system work was something that was used as an illustration of the problem the country was facing regarding having an aging population.
and meeting the pensions in a meeting of the pensions committee.
It wasn't being suggested as the plan to fix the pension system.
They were saying that by 2051, they would need 4 million new people paying into the system to balance out all the people over 65 drawing from it.
Right.
unidentified
If Harrison wasn't such a dopey racist fuck, he would have kept reading to the part of the article where it says, quote, but the statistician and commission members say it's unlikely that net inward migration will reverse the current trends.
dan friesen
and some migrants would become pensioners themselves.
This article is about a discussion of why this wouldn't be a solid plan to fix the pension system, because if that were the only approach taken, you'd end up creating more net problems for the pension system than you fix.
The article goes on to say, This article is not about Ireland bringing in 4 million migrants to fix their pension system, but the headline is written in such a way that it's easy to use it that way.
The 4 million number is used as an illustration of the imbalance that'll exist between those paying into the system and those drawing from it, but because the headline is poorly written and because Harrison's a lazy, craven racist, this article can be used to justify an argument that Ireland is engaging in white genocide in order to save its pension system.
...
Anyway, that's the end of our side tour through Harrison Smith's piece on white genocide.
I can say with a fair amount of confidence that this special report was quite possibly the most transparent and most prudential.
Poorly argued racism I've ever seen on Infowars.
It's the racism equivalent of Harrison saying that the capital had fallen and patriots were in charge on January 6th.
He's not hiding what he is.
He is a fucking...
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is...
Because what is he saying whenever he says we can stop the genocide of Ireland is just...
We can make sure that Ireland remains a white nation.
And then we can save everybody else.
So Europeans for European nations.
Africans for African nations.
Chinese people for China.
And no mixing at all.
dan friesen
And the primary source that he's working off of for this article is a headline that he's misrepresenting in a way to use as a racist cudgel.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Like, it's outrageous.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, it's to be expected on some level, but it's pretty...
jordan holmes
It's like using story math problems as a, like, okay, if the migrant caravan is racing towards the border at 60 miles an hour, but the white nationalists are going towards the border from the opposite direction at 50 miles an hour, then the white people will be exterminated!
dan friesen
I don't like this quiz.
It's a bad quiz.
jordan holmes
It is a bad quiz.
dan friesen
I started to wonder about this, and I really...
One of the things that I think is interesting is that, like, yeah, I mean, a lot of the same themes are exactly the same as what Alex talks about, but just more crypto.
Like, Alex is way, way less close to the edge, let's say, than Harrison, because he knows that there's consequences for being too overtly racist.
People will treat you in a certain way.
He'll lose his ability to argue, oh, everyone says I'm a racist, they all lie about me.
That kind of shit.
I just wonder, you know, it makes me feel like there's two possible dynamics.
And one is that, like, Alex is thinking, fuck it, let Harrison do a show that's extreme as hell.
jordan holmes
Test the white nationalist water.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's see if that's a tap market that we can tap.
jordan holmes
Is anybody gonna punish us for this?
dan friesen
Or, is it the case that Alex has run out of...
Fucking steam to the point where a bigot like Harrison is taking over.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or not taking over the whole thing, but he has his own show, and he's like, I'm gonna speak fucking freely.
I don't care.
Who else are you gonna get to host a show?
You need to sell your dumb pills.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's outrageous, though.
I think that Harrison might be a much bigger problem than he appears.
jordan holmes
I mean, Harrison isn't even smart enough to do the dumbest...
Easiest thing that you can possibly do, which is immediately do what Alex does after saying something that's explicitly white nationalist and say, now, you know me, I don't care about white, black, Hispanic, or whatever.
dan friesen
Well, bleed red blood.
jordan holmes
He doesn't even bother to do that cop-out.
No.
What an asshole.
dan friesen
Because I think he's speaking...
jordan holmes
He's just a white nationalist, yeah.
dan friesen
Speaking freely.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, now we jump back to Inauguration Day.
Sorry to take that side tour, but I felt like it was important.
It was a good detail.
jordan holmes
You gotta know when the whites are coming.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, I really felt like that was something...
jordan holmes
That's my argument for white genocide.
You gotta know when they're coming.
dan friesen
I felt like that was something that was behind the clip of him talking about your children will be hated minorities.
Look how that is.
I was not wrong to suspect that this is the kind of thing you talk about.
And now we get back to the 20th.
And this is a scary thought.
harrison smith
So we know how fake the news is.
Imagine how fake history is.
We see this play out in real time.
We see the truth with our own eyes, and then we hear the lies about it.
You see the truth of the past fed back to us.
Imagine how false history is.
dan friesen
That is so scary.
That mentality is so scary.
Especially considering a week ago we had Alex presenting a completely false version of Hitler's rise to power.
Infowars does so much historical revisionism surrounding very serious issues.
Hey, we've created an alternative reality for us to live in, and we say that everybody else is lying.
Can you imagine how much more lies are going on with history?
Like, that's fucked up.
jordan holmes
You're basically, yeah, you're absolutely right.
Like, hey, we've defeated reality in the present.
Our only way to go now is the past, unless somebody invents a time machine.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, I think that that's been the project of a lot of fascist types for a long time.
You know, neo-Nazis have revisionist ideas about what happened in Germany.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, when you allow the Texas board to have any influence over...
Sure.
You're not going to get a real history.
dan friesen
Alex has revisionist ideas about the Confederacy.
It's not too surprising.
jordan holmes
How many people learned that it was about states' rights in school?
How many people?
dan friesen
Probably Alex.
jordan holmes
Millions.
Millions.
Maybe the entire country in our elementary school system that is designed to teach you history and for you to take into the world.
They lied straight to your face when you were seven.
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Harrison is going on here on Inauguration Day, and he's talking about how the mainstream media, the MSM, the globalists, they've taken the people who believe that Trump won, and they've turned the idea that Trump won into the big lie that they're being misrepresented.
This is just nonsense.
harrison smith
This they're calling the big lie, and they're saying, even pointing this out, or people trying to represent their constituents who are all calling out, This is beyond anything we've ever experienced before.
And at the heart of it, this is a war against white people.
That's what you have to realize.
They are making a concerted effort now.
They're out in the open.
They're not hiding it.
They're not couching it in any friendly phrases.
They're saying white people are bad, must be destroyed, must be rooted out, must be ripped out by the roots, must be eliminated from this country.
dan friesen
So at this point, I got a little bit worried.
I was like, I'm listening to...
harrison smith
Why for?
dan friesen
I was just checking in on Inauguration Day.
I got a little sniff of something that I thought maybe Harrison was a bigot.
I went and watched his stop-white genocide video.
Now I come back to the inauguration.
He's talking about the war on whites.
jordan holmes
The war on white people.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
I was like, what did I get into?
They've declared war on the whites.
It wasn't that white nationalists literally tried to overthrow the country.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
They've declared war on all white people.
dan friesen
I was like, okay.
When I sat down to prepare this episode, I was thinking, all right, I'll breeze through Harrison's dumbass, and then we'll get to Alex, and that'll be when the episode really begins.
No, this is going to be half the episode, probably, talking about Harrison Smith.
jordan holmes
Brutal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Brutal.
dan friesen
Terrible.
He is real.
Biggity.
jordan holmes
Let's just stop for one second and remember that the evil globalists are now declaring war on white people.
dan friesen
According to Harrison.
jordan holmes
Even though last year, only a few months ago, their plan B was murdering everyone.
dan friesen
Sure.
Well, plan B is not to be remembered now because it's not the profitable angle.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
unidentified
We've gotten a new sales flow chart.
jordan holmes
Now it's white.
Whiteness only.
dan friesen
Certainly for Harrison's show.
So he also wishes that Trump was a little bit more authoritarian.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And he's talking about this in the framework of sort of optics differences between Trump's inauguration and Biden's.
And he's being really dumb here.
harrison smith
When Donald Trump won...
Duly elected.
Nobody expected it, but he did it.
He pulled it out.
He pulled through.
He got elected president of the United States.
Everybody was very, very concerned about authoritarianism.
I'll tell you, if in 2016, before the Trump inauguration, D.C. was filled with 65,000 troops and there were people going on TV who were heads of the army saying,
Purity tests, and we need to kick out anybody that doesn't adhere to our view of what it is to be an American, and the entire National Mall was covered in flags because they weren't letting any people come, and the entire city of Washington, D.C. was locked down like the green zone in Iraq.
I would have been a little freaked out.
I would have thought, oh God, maybe this is the authoritarianism they're warning about.
Of course, that didn't happen.
None of that happened.
Nothing Trump did was authoritarian.
In the slightest.
I wish it had been more so.
I wish he had been more like the monster that they portrayed him as.
Maybe we wouldn't be in the situation we're in now if he'd actually...
Used an iron fist.
dan friesen
Ah, what a shock.
Someone who works at Infowars revealing that they wish Trump was a dictator.
jordan holmes
If they think history is a lie, these motherfuckers can't remember two weeks ago, clearly.
unidentified
No, I know.
dan friesen
That was the thing that really bothered me about that, like, that description of the inauguration.
It was like, you're pretending there's no cause to these effects.
jordan holmes
Did, did, Dan, now, I could be wrong, but I don't remember in January of 2017, Liberals overthrowing the Capitol.
dan friesen
No, that didn't happen.
jordan holmes
That didn't happen?
dan friesen
And that kind of affects this inauguration.
harrison smith
It would affect it.
dan friesen
Also, the smaller crowds, pandemic.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The flags, also about a memorial to those lost.
jordan holmes
Representative to the pandemic.
dan friesen
They keep bringing up the flags as if it's just like a way to fill space because people couldn't be there.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
It's like, no, there was a symbolic meaning to that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it wasn't that we committed, oh, well, I mean, some could argue even a genocide with intent to kill the poor if you go back and look at Kushner's fucking statements.
dan friesen
And then in terms of, like, the screening of service members, that is also because some were involved in storming the Capitol.
There was that.
I think that when you have a situation like that, it's important not to allow yourself to give in to the impulse to go on a McCarthy-esque witch hunt.
But at the same time, the conversation about extremism and extremists infiltrating law enforcement and the services, that is something that is long overdue.
But you have to retain your sensibility about it.
You can't just be like, Oh, this guy donates to the Heritage Foundation, therefore he's an extremist.
You can't go that far.
You need to be careful.
But that's a conversation that you should never pretend you can have with someone like Harrison Smith.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, it wasn't like in 1863.
Lincoln was like, well, of course I need to have a Confederate in my Secret Service detail.
Why wouldn't I have a Confederate soldier in my Secret Service detail?
It would be discrimination for me to get rid of this literal enemy of the United States from my Secret Service detail.
dan friesen
And then I would also like to say, just in the same way that the screening of things is a very sensible, reasonable thing.
You can understand why it would happen, but you have to resist going too far with it.
jordan holmes
Of course, of course.
dan friesen
I would say...
I think that the presence of security forces around the inauguration is something that I don't like to see.
It's not good.
jordan holmes
No, it's fucked up.
dan friesen
Yeah, I can be against that and at the same time be enough of an adult to understand why it's happening.
I can be against the militarization of the police and still recognize, hey, some people fucking stormed the Capitol two weeks ago.
jordan holmes
And I understand that you're like, oh no, there were so many troops there.
I understand that.
But you need to understand.
I understand there were so many there because they're worried there are a lot of you wanting to overthrow the United States government.
dan friesen
And there were people online impotently or sincerely discussing plans for other things.
And I do think that probably if it was more than two weeks in between...
There might have been a better solution that would have been available.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But it's a really time crunch kind of situation.
jordan holmes
Well, you know America.
We never overreact to situations.
dan friesen
Sure.
Again, like what I'm saying is those things are valid concerns to have.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
They're just not something that you should ever find common cause or allyship with info warriors about because they're not sincere.
jordan holmes
And it's your fault that those things happened!
dan friesen
Well...
Anyway.
unidentified
You are the one who literally said the Capitol has fallen to the Patriots!
dan friesen
He did, but he pretends that he didn't.
unidentified
Oh, that's smart.
dan friesen
Because he's against it now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure.
Fuck off!
No, you don't get to do this!
dan friesen
He shouldn't.
So, you may recall that Alex has said that if the host of the American Journal doesn't take calls, they will not be hosting it any longer.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
Harrison doesn't take calls immediately, but he does get to some calls.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And these calls are not good.
jordan holmes
Filled with happy people.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
Greetings, Harrison.
This is the Renegade Patriot in Ohio.
I was just calling in because I've been listening for 11 years in silence, but it prompted me to make my own YouTube channel that was inspired partly by Infowars and by a political prisoner named Charles Dyer, Sergeant Charles Dyer, known as July 4 Patriot on YouTube.
dan friesen
In case you're curious, Charles Dyer is not a political prisoner.
In 2012, he was convicted of sexually abusing his six-year-old daughter and sentenced to 30 years in jail.
He's been turned into the hero of the extreme right wing, who curiously call everyone they don't like pedophiles, because he was a member of the Oath Keepers, and was the type of extreme right wing militia guy that when his house was searched, they found a fucking grenade launcher.
Anyway, it says a whole lot about a fella when they call into Harrison's show and say they were inspired to start a YouTube channel because of Infowars and Charles Dyer.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one solves most problems.
dan friesen
Now, that caller was bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Not great.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Nothing compared to this next caller.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's not good.
dan friesen
This caller is...
jordan holmes
It can't escalate.
unidentified
Oh.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
unidentified
After analyzing the top ten high-rank picks for Biden...
All ten of them have dual citizenship in the state of Israel.
So, you know, Trump tried his best to get that support from the Israeli lobby.
And really, he was basically the best president for Israel ever.
I mean, that's actually true.
Yet it didn't even work.
Somehow they don't support him now.
And they're all Biden's their man.
dan friesen
So we've been over this before, but when you hear a right-wing dum-dum like this caller bring up someone having dual citizenship with Israel, it's an expression of deep anti-Semitism.
jordan holmes
It goes hand-in-hand with the Holocaust didn't happen.
dan friesen
This guy wants to complain that Biden has Jewish people in his cabinet, but he knows that that looks bad, so he tries to couch things, tries to couch that hatred of Jews in language that has to do with concerns about dual citizenship.
This is a classic neo-Nazi talking point that the Jewish criminals, who they believe run the world, they don't care that what they're doing is illegal because their Jewish heritage gives them right of return citizenship in Israel.
So they can just flee there and avoid being held accountable.
unidentified
Dan, I saw Die Hard 2. Diplomatic immunity.
dan friesen
This is what's at the core of this caller and what he is expressing here.
And it's been an insidious anti-Semitic trope for decades.
Yeah, since Die Hard 2. This caller, incidentally, is just responding to a meme that went around on Twitter from an account called Syndrome of a Down, which claimed, quote, all 10 of Biden's high-profile appointees are Jews.
That's right.
Every single one.
This is accompanied by a screenshot depicting 10 Biden appointees next to Israeli flags, which is unsettling.
This is a really simple game this Nazi is playing where they just cherry pick Jewish people Biden as appointees.
appointed to various offices, then assert baselessly that these 10 are the most high-profile appointees, whatever that means, and that it's suspicious that these people are Jewish.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
It's super transparent, and anyone who's calling into inforars to repeat this talking point is absolutely an anti-Semite until proven otherwise.
Quite a show Harrison is hosting here, just full of white identity-based fear, collars inspired by patriot pedophiles and potential neo-Nazis.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Now, Harrison tries to fact-check this guy.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
And he finds the meme.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
And so he just reads the mail.
jordan holmes
Is Joe Rogan fact-checking here?
harrison smith
Yeah, hell, you're making a lot of good points.
I have the image here that's been going around.
All 10 of Biden's high-profile appointees are Jews and dual citizens with Israel.
You have Secretary of the Treasury Janet Yellen, Attorney General Merrick Garland, Secretary of Homeland Security.
dan friesen
Real quick there, the meme that he's reading off of doesn't say, and dual citizens of Israel.
It just says Jews.
Harrison has added that because he realizes...
jordan holmes
Don't want to do it.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
jordan holmes
I'm going to hit that J too hard.
dan friesen
I have to soften this a little bit, otherwise it looks as anti-Semitic as it is.
harrison smith
Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas, Director of National Intelligence.
Avril Haines, White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain, Secretary of State Anthony Blinken, Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman, Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland, the Office of Science and Technology Policy Eric Lander, Director of the Central Intelligence Agency David S. Cohen.
Now, call me crazy!
I think the people serving in our government, serving in the American government, should not be dual citizens with another country.
jordan holmes
Why?
harrison smith
Am I crazy for thinking?
Am I an anti-Semite?
dan friesen
Yes, Harrison.
You're super anti-Semitic.
jordan holmes
That is exactly what you are.
dan friesen
That's really, really bad when you traffic in dual loyalty tropes about Jewish Americans.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's super basic stuff in terms of anti-Semitism, and I can explain one of the reasons why it's really obvious.
Harrison's complaint is that these people are dual citizens in the United States and Israel.
this case is defined solely as these people being Jewish.
Insisting the people who have dual citizenship being in government is suspicious or wrong is really just a way for these people to say that they think Jewish people shouldn't be in government without having to say something so obviously anti-Semitic.
Harrison isn't an idiot.
He understands this dynamic fully well.
He's a flagrant bigot who knows that Daddy Alex will fire him if he speaks too freely, I suspect.
And so you do stuff like this.
This is outrageous.
unidentified
This can't be, like...
dan friesen
I was aghast at this.
This is not what I expected on Inauguration Day.
jordan holmes
Um, out and out white supremacy?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Honestly, I kind of was expecting this on Inauguration Day, because you can't say that they're going to kill everybody now.
dan friesen
I expected it before.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, we've seen plenty of it before.
dan friesen
Well, but not...
jordan holmes
Not quite.
Not quite.
No Jews should be in the government.
dan friesen
And maybe it's a function of Harrison Smith being, like, not a great broadcaster.
That he's being this...
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
...this transparent about it.
unidentified
He doesn't have the chops to be less racist.
dan friesen
Man, and this caller keeps going.
jordan holmes
Oh.
unidentified
Well, remember there was this nice, sweet little Jewish lady who came on to Oprah and said that within the Jewish community, there are people who are not Jewish.
They're hiding under Judaism, but they're not Jews.
They don't follow Moses.
They don't follow the Torah.
They don't follow the Ten Commandments.
So if you're a Jew and you actually follow the Ten Commandments, you're not the problem.
We're not talking about you.
But there are people who hide behind this Judaism, and she openly admitted they are breeding babies with really obese people who you came and tell they're pregnant.
And then they do satanic rituals, and when Oprah asked her, why are you doing this, she goes, for power, like it was an opportunity.
obvious thing like you should know so I don't think these people are actually Jews I think they're part of a organization that is satanic that is hiding behind Judaism Wow I was listening to this caller go hard on the anti-Semitism and listening to Harrison be completely open to it and not shut it down at all.
dan friesen
And I was thinking, I wonder how long it's going to be until we get into blood libel.
Turns out not too long.
jordan holmes
Not long at all!
dan friesen
This Oprah segment that the caller is bringing up is from May 1989, and it was a huge embarrassment for Oprah.
What happened is that there was that whole satanic panic going on in America.
The McMartin preschool trials in its, like, sixth year, and lurid stories of ritualistic satanic abuse were widespread.
The idea that they were widespread in every neighborhood, that was drawing ratings!
Oprah tried to do an episode of her talk show about ritualistic satanic abuse cases, and one of her guests was a Jewish woman who told all sorts of insane stories about her family performing ritual murders since the 1700s, that it was prevalent in Jewish families, and that police...
knew about it and didn't do anything.
Huh.
unidentified
Oprah had attempted to frame the conversation by introducing the guest as someone who was, quote, mentally disturbed and under psychiatric care, But I think that's not good enough.
dan friesen
A better move would not be doing this kind of interview with someone you have to preemptively introduce as an unreliable source of information.
jordan holmes
Just so everyone knows, I want you to say that this person is not fit to be on TV.
And now we're gonna exploit her!
unidentified
Exactly!
dan friesen
At best, it's putting a mentally unstable person in a position where they're being exploited for ratings.
And at worst, it was allowing a mentally unstable person to spread deeply dangerous accusations about a religious community.
Either way...
If this had happened nowadays, Oprah's career would have been over.
jordan holmes
No, we would have fucked everybody up.
dan friesen
Somehow, in 1989, in 1989, can have this kind of a scandal.
And granted, you know, I was able to find a bunch of articles about Oprah meeting with leaders in the Jewish community.
jordan holmes
Of course, of course.
dan friesen
And apologizing and responding to criticism.
But, like, this should never have happened to begin with.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Some producers better have been fired.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a good thing that, uh...
30 years later, we're still hearing about it.
That's how good it was.
dan friesen
Well, from Nazi callers on Harrison's Nazi show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's that.
dan friesen
This show is absolutely mind-blowing in how offensive it is, this American journal.
Harrison Smith seems way, way more committed to or just willing to broadcast explicit racism and anti-Semitism to the audience.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I was taken aback by how...
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, I would say, I think, I mean, maybe there's just a simple explanation, which is that Harrison isn't rich enough to want to protect money more than anybody who's not white.
dan friesen
I can't imagine that he has a more lucrative offer than what he's doing at InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
And I can't imagine Alex pays him anywhere near what David Knight got.
dan friesen
That's true.
And I also, I would imagine that if Alex wanted him to curb these behaviors, he would.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
And then he would get an alias and write a blog.
jordan holmes
Well, that's probably true.
dan friesen
Start a YouTube channel where he wears a mask and bores everyone with racism.
jordan holmes
That would be linked back to Infowars.com, too.
dan friesen
Undoubtedly.
So, Harrison takes another call, and apparently what needs to happen is...
You know how...
InfoWars is obsessed with the idea that there are no-go zones all over Europe.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, of course.
dan friesen
Where the Muslims won't let people in.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Well, Harrison believes that they need to make some no-go zones in America, basically.
harrison smith
Okay, well, we're going to move into a very new dynamic, and I've said it before.
I think geographic approximation will suddenly become very important.
I think you need to find like-minded people that you can be near, that you can protect each other, that you can actually put up a substantial force in order to prevent...
The American forces from coming in and robbing you of the rights that you have as a sovereign individual.
I think, personally, maybe I'm a little biased because I'm from Texas, but I can't think of a better place to gather patriots and say, everybody who's out there in America, I know it would suck to have to leave your home and go to a different place, but if we stay...
uh, dis-separated, if we stay sort of in these small pockets around, around, they'll come one by one and scoop us all up.
You have to, we have to gather in a single place we have to defend that place we have to create areas of land that uh the the the powers that be cannot break into cannot get into we need to have our own autonomous zones around the country okay uh All I heard was, I thought Sundown Towns were a great idea, and I don't understand why we ever stopped that.
jordan holmes
Was there something wrong with Sundown Towns, Dan?
dan friesen
It's strange.
This show gets really weird, and I lost my taste for it at a certain point.
A lot of conversation about getting people to move to Texas to secede.
He has a South African caller lady who...
Seems to think that apartheid didn't happen.
But I couldn't make sense of what she was saying, and so I don't have any clips of it.
It was kind of all over the place.
And so here is how he goes out to break before Alex joins him for a little guest appearance on the American Journal.
This is bleak.
harrison smith
Directing agencies to review their actions and ensure racial equity.
Everything's going to be based off this.
dan friesen
He's talking about some of Biden's policy issues.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm seeing it.
harrison smith
Racial equity, which basically means robbing white people and rewarding non-white people in order to basically...
Let's not mince words here.
Everything that the Chinese are doing to the Uyghur Muslims are exactly what the plans are for the Biden administration for white people.
I mean, when you say it's a good thing and we're making policy in order to decrease the share of the population that white people hold, that is a genocidal policy.
Let's, again, let's not mince words.
Let's not pretend like this is something that it isn't.
This is a genocidal policy to essentially eradicate any...
Anybody from standing up against these people.
And it all has to do with the fact that white people historically have been the only civilization, as far as the world is concerned, that actually puts in freedom into their governmental organizations.
And that is mostly based on the fact that Christianity is a European religion.
So, third hour begins on the other side.
dan friesen
So, now we've shifted into white supremacy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're straight up there.
No arguing that.
dan friesen
This show is nuts!
jordan holmes
I will say this.
I think Harrison has absolutely succeeded.
When he said earlier, he is going to lay out the case for white genocide.
dan friesen
I get what you're saying.
jordan holmes
He nailed it.
dan friesen
Calm down.
jordan holmes
He nailed it!
dan friesen
Calm down.
Oh, he nailed it!
Satire.
You're a joke.
So, Alex comes on to stop by the journal, and I was weirded out by this, actually.
harrison smith
You're watching American Journal on Infowars.com.
I'm Harrison Smith, joined by Alex Jones.
Welcome, Alex.
alex jones
Yeah, and I'm just popping in for a segment here to invite all your wonderful viewers to have our live coverage coming up here in just about...
39 minutes of the installation, inauguration of the communist Chinese spy, Biden.
dan friesen
Why is Alex coming to promote his show on Harrison's show?
jordan holmes
Because the white nationalists are tuning in, Dan.
dan friesen
I do get the sense that maybe Alex sees a different audience.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Maybe Harrison is appealing to another audience that might not stick around to watch Alex.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So he's coming in to promote himself to them.
Because otherwise, the only place you're watching the American fucking journal is on InfoWars' streams, which would automatically start playing Alex's show afterwards.
jordan holmes
I would like to welcome all the Red Ice listeners to Harrison Smith's show, and I just want to let you know that the Alex Jones show is up next.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex thinks that people think he's soft.
Because he accepts that Trump is going to be leaving office.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
You know, I've seen him on Infowars.com saying, how dare you say he would leave today?
You're a traitor.
You're agreeing with CNN as if I magically said he was going to stay.
He was going to stay.
We literally talked to the president.
Okay?
I talked to two of his lawyers and I talked to somebody else very close to him the last few days and he was going.
As soon as he capitulated the day after January 6th, it was over.
jordan holmes
What happened January 6th?
alex jones
They sent in provocateurs.
They sabotaged our operation.
But that was the last ditch Hail Mary to begin with.
dan friesen
I was listening to that and I was like, it's 10am.
You sound fucked up.
jordan holmes
He sounds not good.
dan friesen
But I also was like, he probably just woke up or something.
I wasn't sure, but I was worried.
I was worried.
The way he's talking is not normal Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I would give him a hangover and a hair of the dog.
I think that's what I'm hearing.
dan friesen
That's kind of what I thought, but then he explains what's going on.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And so they don't want a big mainline debate about this.
They want to have it be esoteric.
So they created a secret society to make people think that we're in the inside group with military intelligence and that everything was going to be fine so people could be pacified.
I'm going to move on from Q at that point.
We'll talk about what Biden's going to do, how they're going to strangle this country during the inauguration and afterwards.
I do not have COVID or anything.
I had some dental work done and got a little infection back on one of my tonsils.
I've been to see the doctor.
It's localized.
It's fine.
About a dime-sized broth hole in the back of my throat.
But I'm fine.
I never take painkillers, but I'm actually on painkillers right now.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
So you're on painkillers.
All right.
unidentified
Cool.
jordan holmes
Good time to be at work.
dan friesen
Alright, I'm just gonna get some dental surgery.
I talk for a living.
I'm gonna go get dental surgery the morning of Biden's inauguration and then come into work high on painkillers.
jordan holmes
That's what I gotta do!
That's what you gotta do, Dan.
alex jones
Wow.
jordan holmes
Hey, look, it's inauguration.
The show must go on.
dan friesen
I will say that I don't think it affects him nearly as much as it could have.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
So, it's not like he's super fucked up, but you could just hear, like, there's something different in his delivery, and that explains it.
He had some dental work done, and he's on some painkillers.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I think that they thought that Biden would be getting sworn in on Alex's show.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But the timing doesn't work out.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And, you know...
We get all of that while Harrison is still hosting, and Alex has left to prepare for his show.
And so Harrison tries.
God bless him, he tries.
harrison smith
Joe Biden probably wondering where the hell he is right now.
Hey, there's a baby that knows what's going on.
dan friesen
Hell yeah.
jordan holmes
That's great work, Harrison.
That's great work.
dan friesen
So Harrison just plays Biden's speech, his acceptance speech, and he interrupts kind of limitedly because I think that he's just hoping that Biden will make a big flub that he can then respond to.
The whole narrative about Biden on Infowars is that he's senile and he can't form sentences, so honestly, I think this is a bad strategy.
They're literally airing evidence that he can speak and make sentences, essentially debunking one of their big talking points, and that is how the journal wraps up.
We close the book.
jordan holmes
I assume he's a big enough man to apologize for saying that Joe Biden is not...
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
He's not?
dan friesen
They just sort of pretend that they never said that.
Much like Harrison pretending that he didn't say the Capitol has fallen to the Patriots.
jordan holmes
Weird!
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex comes in and he knows what to do a little bit better than Harrison.
Harrison just lets Biden talk for long stretches.
Sure.
Alex drives to Mystery Science Theater that shit.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah!
joe biden
Many centuries ago, St. Augustine.
A saint of my church wrote that a people was a multitude defined by the common objects of their love.
Defined by the common objects of their love.
What are the common objects we as Americans love?
alex jones
Children you want to molest.
joe biden
Define us as Americans.
I think we know.
Opportunity.
alex jones
World government.
joe biden
Security.
Liberty.
alex jones
Depopulation.
joe biden
Dignity.
Respect.
Honor.
And yes, the truth.
dan friesen
So, yeah, that's what you come to expect for watching a speech on Infowars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, for somebody who thinks that Biden is senile, he got his speech patterns pretty well down.
Alex knows when to jump in real quick, about how much time he has.
It seems like he, yeah.
dan friesen
So Biden, in his speech, he proposes that his first act will be a moment of silence for the Americans lost to COVID.
jordan holmes
How does Alex take that?
dan friesen
Well, it's interesting because we know that from listening to his show, he often has long stretches of dead air.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So a moment of silence should be no big deal.
jordan holmes
It takes nothing.
dan friesen
It should be no big deal.
jordan holmes
It's a moment.
joe biden
In my first act as president, I'd like to ask you to join me in a moment of silent prayer.
Remember all those who we lost in this past year to the pandemic.
Those 400,000.
alex jones
Most of which died of something else.
That came out of the Wuhan lab that your buddies, Obama and Fauci and Gates, cooked up.
And the Democrat states where you ship COVID patients into the nursing homes to kill people.
Let's have a moment of silence heard by the Democrats in the UN when the Tricoms murdered.
unidentified
Let's have a moment of silence.
alex jones
You have no more silence here.
unidentified
We can't do that or our radio stations have silence alarms.
alex jones
And it'll send everybody into a panic.
Everybody's having their moment of silence.
dan friesen
Alex pretends that he can't accept this moment of silence because of radio restrictions.
That's such nonsense.
unidentified
Fuck you.
dan friesen
He just has to interrupt the moment of silence to not allow it to air.
I would bet that he has some spiritual explanation for it in his head.
Like, I can't allow Biden to have a spiritual moment on Infowars.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not, yeah.
dan friesen
That's really weird.
jordan holmes
He can't.
He can't let it happen.
dan friesen
So this next clip is maybe the only...
Only real moment where, on Alex's show itself, where I was like, uh-oh, those pills might be affecting you.
joe biden
Pass along a new and better world to our children.
I believe we must.
I'm sure you do as well.
I believe we will.
alex jones
Don't even want children.
joe biden
And when we do, we'll write the next great chapter in the history of the United States of America.
alex jones
You know, they wear their mask.
joe biden
A story that might sound something like a song that means a lot to me.
It's called American Anthem.
There's one verse that stands out, at least for me, and it goes like this.
The work and prayers of Century have brought us to this day.
What shall be our legacy?
What will our children say?
Let me know in my heart, when my days are through, America, America, I gave my best to you.
Let's add.
Let's us add our own work and prayers.
alex jones
So this is the front man.
While they dismantle the country, while they teach America shouldn't exist, while they pull down our statues, while they burn down cities, he says that he loves America, and he's here to bring us unity.
All their pundits say they want to put us in re-education camps.
dan friesen
Yikes.
The part where, at the beginning, it just seemed like he wasn't making a lot of sense.
The interjections he was making were like...
jordan holmes
He lost the thread a little bit.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he picked it up together to at least make sense, I guess, by the end.
Although, still messed up.
Now, Alex had been talking about how they were going to be commercial-free.
Because there's a lot to cover at the inauguration.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
14 minutes into his show, this is what happens.
alex jones
But now that's my next question.
I thought this would go for hours.
Well, it isn't, so we are not going to be commercial-free, I guess, until 6 o 'clock tonight when we take calls up until 10 p.m. and have a whole raft of special guests here.
dan friesen
So Alex had expected this inauguration to go all day.
He didn't realize it was going to be a ceremony.
jordan holmes
It's real quick.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He didn't realize that maybe Trump's rambling speeches aren't...
Normal.
jordan holmes
The wedding ceremony part of the wedding is usually pretty quick.
dan friesen
Yeah, the reception is what goes on.
jordan holmes
It's the reception that takes a while.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
A party.
dan friesen
Unless you have maybe someone who's officiating the wedding who's a blowhard.
jordan holmes
Sure.
That can happen.
dan friesen
Then you might be there a while.
unidentified
Could be.
dan friesen
And I think Alex expected a blowhard as a president.
Because of last time.
And 14 minutes in, he realizes, uh-oh.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Oh, this isn't going to be a rambling nonsense speech that I can...
dan friesen
I have got...
I have no commercial breaks.
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
Let's get those commercial breaks back.
jordan holmes
Guys, I don't have anything to say.
dan friesen
I am not doing this commercial-free.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
When he gave me 14 minutes of content that even listening to it I had a hard time riffing over.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Jesus.
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
So here's a commercial.
That Alex goes to.
I hadn't listened to the commercials on Infowars itself for a while, because I generally listen through the feeds that have Genesis Communications commercials on them.
So here's one of Alex's commercials.
This blew my mind.
alex jones
The Pope came out yesterday and announced a global government corporate alliance to redistribute wealth and create a planetary universal income, which, of course, the United Nations and global corporations will control through the apps on your phone and finally a chip under your skin.
It's all now completely official, part of the UN Great Reset of the Davos Group.
And Klaus Schwab, all officially written about in hundreds of books by Schwab and Rockefeller Foundation, all the rest of them.
10 to 21, 10 to 20, 30, it's here.
And it only gets worse like being fed into a wood chipper or a meat grinder until you reject it all.
unidentified
*music*
alex jones
And the rejection starts with realizing it's spiritual battle, good versus evil, and stopping abortion.
dan friesen
What's going on here?
What is happening?
jordan holmes
This is a commercial?
Am I supposed to watch this show?
dan friesen
The musical cues are sophomoric.
They're amateurish.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't...
I don't know what's going on here.
Also, I don't know what he's talking about.
I think this is old, because the pope, in his Easter letter last year, discussed UBI.
Yeah.
unidentified
And maybe the world is approaching a point where universal basic income is something we should be considering.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
I couldn't find I don't know if there's Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I just thought that, like, I thought the music that...
It's all, like, really dark and, like, uh, music.
And then at the end, like, uh.
jordan holmes
Is that a commercial so much or just an interstitial?
dan friesen
Do you think there's a product that he's selling?
jordan holmes
That's what I'm confused about.
Am I just supposed to listen to more InfoWars because UBI might be coming?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I can't actually remember.
I was so caught off guard by that left turn to, like, you have to stop abortions.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one threw me.
dan friesen
I was like...
jordan holmes
I forgot the previous part of the commercial.
dan friesen
It might have ended up in like a bodies commercial or something, but I don't know.
Anyway, we get back to Alex's coverage of the inauguration, which is now over 15 minutes into his show.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And so he's got to do what he does.
jordan holmes
I assume he didn't listen to the poets.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He didn't do anything else except for...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, maybe in the evening coverage they went over the party aspect.
unidentified
Yeah, sure.
dan friesen
Oh, no, they also complained about Lady Gaga a little bit.
Who cares?
unidentified
Yeah, why not?
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex has a guest on who we've been curious about his whereabouts.
The FBI might be as well.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Stuart, I know you're on the road.
I appreciate you popping on on short notice.
Obviously, I want to get your take on what's happened, how people that were delusional about Trump being invincible, how they're going to handle it.
But the big issue, they're clearly saying domestic terrorism is here.
They're clearly preparing to wind up Barack.
You're a domestic terrorist.
dan friesen
Stuart Rhodes!
The founder of the Oath Keepers.
Been wondering what he's up to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what's his lie gonna be?
dan friesen
Interesting Alex doesn't start with, hey, I haven't seen you since the 6th.
jordan holmes
How was the 6th?
Did you have a good time?
What happened?
Agent provocateurs, right?
dan friesen
Hey, Stuart Rhodes, you're on the road.
I am definitely not saying you're on the run.
jordan holmes
Yeah, definitely wouldn't want to say that.
dan friesen
I'm not saying that he's wanted or anything, but he's a fucked up dude.
Anyway, he is disappointed in Trump in very similar ways that Harrison was.
alex jones
Everybody sees right through it.
These are not the president and vice president.
These are CHICOM agents.
Stuart Rhodes of Oathkeepers.org, your view on all this.
stewart rhodes
Well, I think what we have to realize is that Trump actually failed.
This is unpopular, but I consider it a dereliction of duty.
And frankly, cowards in the face of the enemy.
I'll be blunt.
We were calling for him to use the Insurrection Act all through the summer.
He did not do it, and right up to the last moment, he could have done it.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, his response is as expected as it could be for someone like Stuart Rhodes.
He's disappointed.
Because he has been very clearly calling for Trump to...
jordan holmes
We wanted to overthrow the government.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And institute a theocracy.
dan friesen
He's straight up been on Infowars talking about how Trump needs to deputize him and all of his buddies, the militias, call them up to restore order in the country.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, of course he's disappointed.
He was really excited.
This was as close as he was probably ever going to get to a president being like, yep, you guys are my army now.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep, that's about as, yeah, he wanted a new confederacy, and he almost got it, and now he's sad.
And I assume Alex texted him being like, hey, the line is, it wasn't you guys on purpose.
And he was like, but I want to tell people that we should do it again.
dan friesen
Well, he has an interesting take on what happened on the 6th, and we'll get to that in a little bit, but Alex certainly doesn't want to start with it.
He wants to start with...
Biden is a fake leader.
alex jones
Totally.
dan friesen
And because he's a fake leader, Stuart knows, because he's a constitutional scholar.
He went to Yale.
jordan holmes
Can you imagine how many lies are in history, Dan?
dan friesen
Many.
So Stuart, based on the Constitution, he's just like, fuck it.
We don't have to follow laws now.
stewart rhodes
I'll get plenty of hate mail for saying that, and all kinds of people saying the same excuses we've always heard.
We were surrounded by bad people.
Well, whose fault was that?
It's his own fault.
And he's still the commander-in-chief, or he was the commander-in-chief.
He had a duty and responsibility to step up.
But he failed to do that, and he allowed a Chi-Con puppet into the White House.
And I think we now need to just declare that to be illegitimate and refuse to comply with anything that comes out of his mouth, anything he signs, anything passed as so-called legislation.
We'll label it pretend legislation like the founding fathers did.
dan friesen
Ha ha!
Rules are pretend now.
unidentified
Sweet.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Alright.
I got three Supreme Court justices who don't count anymore.
That's how we're gonna do this.
That's how this rule works.
dan friesen
This is not functional.
jordan holmes
I get to choose who I think is the government.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
This is not a way for a cohesive society to work.
And, I mean...
It makes sense because that's not their goal.
Their goal is not to have a coherent and cohesive society.
It's time to declare independence.
jordan holmes
Great.
stewart rhodes
But he was not duly elected.
It's just amazing that Trump let the election be stolen out from under him and then let our country be stolen like this, our government.
So we have to now prepare to walk the path of the Founding Fathers to declare your independence from that illegitimate regime.
We still defend the Constitution, but they're the ones that are the ursipers.
leaders and declare them.
And then get strong in your communities.
You need to be raising local militias in your towns and counties.
And like the founders did, you need to then nullify organizations.
unidentified
Okay, so commit crimes and kill cops when they try and arrest you.
dan friesen
I guess.
But they're pretend laws.
jordan holmes
I...
Man.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna...
What pretend laws?
dan friesen
By this point, I'm...
jordan holmes
What pretend laws?
I would like to know specifically which ones are pretend and which ones are not pretend.
dan friesen
Anything that has Biden's signature on it, his Hancock on it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
That's fake.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Look.
Sure.
I can't say enough how stressed out I was when I was listening to this because...
I got really caught with a left hook out of nowhere by Harrison's overt racism and anti-Semitism.
jordan holmes
I was surprised by the white nationalism, yeah.
dan friesen
That made going through his shit much more of a slog than I expected, and it made it, like, it was taxing.
And then at the same time, it filled me with all kinds of thoughts about, like, all right, I guess the morning show on Infowars now is just, like, speak freely.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Speak freely, bigot time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that seemed like a bad direction for things to be going.
Then you get into InfoWars itself, like Alex's show, and you got Stuart Rhodes coming in, and it's just, like, frank discussion about, like, the government isn't real.
jordan holmes
We need to secede.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And this is doubling into the talk on Harrison's show about creating these enclaves where you can protect yourself from the America.
jordan holmes
Sundown towns are great.
dan friesen
It's fucked up.
jordan holmes
Don't they already have white nationalist compounds in the Pacific Northwest?
I'm sure there's some around.
Like, entire cities that are like, no, it's whites only here.
And everybody's just like, it's the Pacific Northwest.
I guess you guys do that.
dan friesen
I don't know enough to know for sure, but I believe I've heard, at least unofficially, there are some places that have that character.
So one thing that Stuart is clear on is that he's gotten the memo.
robert barnes
Sure.
dan friesen
We've got to shit on Q people.
jordan holmes
Right.
stewart rhodes
But the Q people, I mean, only silver lining in all this, maybe the Q people will finally shut up because all they did the entire time, up until last night, was, oh no, the troops were there to arrest the bad guys.
It's just delusional nonsense.
Q was an absolute psyop and well-done one, what they call a lullaby, to get you all to be lulled into a false sense of security and just be asleep.
That's what happened.
For four years, you had people sitting on their hands.
Doing nothing, waiting, saying trust the plan, waiting for this miraculous day that never came.
It was a masterful PSYOP.
But now you've got to wake up, smell the coffee, and realize, now you've got to do it the hard way.
You've got to do it the same way the Founding Fathers did.
dan friesen
You know who else was sitting on their hands doing nothing for a long time?
jordan holmes
Who?
dan friesen
People like Alex and Stuart Rhodes.
Weird.
You know, these people who thought that they had something that they could gain from QAnon until it got to a point where they realized, nope, I can't gain anything from this.
And now they sound like people...
Who we are associated with.
Like, all of a sudden, they're pretending that people who have maybe more left politics, people like the guys at QAnon Anonymous, haven't been, like, banging the drum for a long time, talking about the dangers and the misleading nature of QAnon.
Like, I have no patience for this.
You guys have all just jumped onto this now because you realize, well...
jordan holmes
That's our stick to beat.
That's our scapegoat.
dan friesen
And there's a good chance that we can bring in some of the people.
Anyone who hasn't already decided that Alex Jones is controlled opposition because of QAnon, maybe we can get them into our revenue streams.
jordan holmes
Isn't the implication of his argument, though, that he wanted more people there on the 6th to overthrow the government?
dan friesen
No, because then Biden hadn't been inaugurated.
jordan holmes
Well, you got me.
dan friesen
No, Stuart doesn't want the overthrow of the government to have happened at the 6th.
jordan holmes
What he's saying is that Q people, because they were lulled into a false sense of security, did not show up on the 6th in order to overthrow the government like he wanted.
dan friesen
I mean, I think that you could read his comments and maybe some of even like Alex's comments that way.
But I don't think that that's a totally fair reading.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I think it's a possible reading.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But I think it's more like the way that they intend it is more like there's organizing that you could do.
There's information warfare you could engage in that you were lulled into a false sense of security about.
You thought Trump was bulletproof, but there's other things you could have been banging on doors in Georgia.
unidentified
Sure.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Dan, you are fair.
I am very much unfair, and I'm telling you right now, he wished there were more people on the 6th.
dan friesen
Look, that's the dynamic of the show.
Anyway, speaking of the 6th, Alex finally gets around to asking about that, and oh boy.
alex jones
Give me your take on what happened to the Capitol.
I mean, we got set up there, man.
stewart rhodes
Well, sure, but I think it's, I see it like this.
Yes, there were provocateurs that made sure the doors were wide open.
But I think it's important for all of us not to use the rhetoric of the left, condemn everyone that walked in the Capitol as, you know, storming the castle or storming the Capitol and engage in insurrection.
We should just say, look...
At the most, they were trespassing.
dan friesen
Stuart Rhodes has a lot riding on people believing that people who were at the Capitol were just trespassing at worst.
You see, unlike Antifa, the Oath Keepers are a group that exists, and Stuart Rhodes is the head of it.
They have a website where you can donate to them and everything, and they have an online store where you can buy official merch.
It's an actual group, and it kind of looks bad when three members of the group get arrested after storming the Capitol.
And their charging document lays out how they planned for weeks in advance in order to, in theory, kill members of Congress.
jordan holmes
It took a lot of planning to trespass, it looks like.
dan friesen
Thomas Caldwell, Jessica Watkins, and Donovan Kroll are all Oath Keepers from Ohio, and they're going to prison for a long time.
According to an article in the Daily Beast, Caldwell stands accused of organizing a group of eight people to aggressively disrupt the certification of the Electoral College vote.
Seal them in.
Turn on gas.
jordan holmes
Bill Gates is going to inject us all with computer chips to know where we are at all times so we need to protect ourselves by using unencrypted apps while in the Capitol.
dan friesen
After leaving the Capitol, Caldwell posted on Facebook, quote, Proud Boys scuffled with cops and drove them inside to hide.
Breached the doors.
One guy made it all the way to the house floor.
Another to Pelosi's office.
A good time.
We need to do this on the local level.
Let's storm the Capitol in Ohio.
Tell me when!
In this individual case, Stewart's personal hands may be clean.
One of the messages that the FBI had in the charging document was Caldwell saying, quote, I don't know if Stewie has even gotten out his call to arms, but it's a little frickin' late.
This one we're doing on our own.
We'll link up with a North Carolina crew.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Stewart read that and was like, boom!
I'm free!
dan friesen
Yeah.
I get...
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Thank God they said that shit!
dan friesen
I guess you could say that the best case scenario for Stuart Rhodes is to say that he's responsible for starting a decentralized right wing extremist militia organization that he has so little control over that now it's being used by members to plan militaristic takeovers of state and federal capital buildings.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
That's not a great sentence to see when you're the head of an organization that these people who were going to jail for a very long time were conspiring in.
What I'm saying is, I would still be worried if I were Stuart, even though that...
You know, the Stewie thing is pretty good for him.
jordan holmes
Hey, Don, a lot of our generals flipped, and you're in the Rico case.
Is this good?
Is this good or bad?
dan friesen
Yeah, he has stuff to be concerned about, and it's probably his best play to pretend that people were just trespassing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I think that's in his best interest.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they were just trespassing.
unidentified
It's no big deal.
jordan holmes
I mean, sure, they had to push through some barricades and kill a girl.
dan friesen
It's no big deal.
unidentified
Yeah.
stewart rhodes
So, like, we have a couple of members that were in there.
When they establish a defense fund, we'll contribute to it.
They did not do that under my orders.
They did that contrary to our plan for the day, which is just do PSD details and protect events.
That's what we were there to do, and protect individual Trump supporters from the radicals in the streets like we've always done.
But I'm not going to chuck them under the bus and condemn them as horrible people or traitors or any kind of nonsense like that.
Too many on the right are adopting the same.
alex jones
The police opened the doors after a few people knocked out some of the windows.
They were ordered to suck in enough people to have a crowd.
dan friesen
Stuart, don't you understand?
We already have the narrative.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Stuart, you have your own personal issues, and I understand how you don't want to throw your people under the bus, but they are going to jail for a long time.
jordan holmes
A long time.
dan friesen
And, hey, that's tough.
I feel for you.
In force has a narrative, and I'm not going to stray from it at all.
Not for your ass.
jordan holmes
Hey, buddy, you can thread the fine needle of, it's good that they overthrew the Capitol, but it's bad that they lost.
You can do that all you want.
dan friesen
I wish you the best.
jordan holmes
Yeah, have fun.
Have fun.
You're also probably going to jail.
dan friesen
So, Jordan...
Stuart Rhodes has some interesting ideas about cancel culture.
jordan holmes
I find that hard to believe.
dan friesen
Apparently, I don't know exactly what the root is, how you get there, from point A to point C. Right.
But you start with cancel culture.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Then things get out of control.
jordan holmes
Are we going to get back into white genocide?
dan friesen
Mass graves.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
People dead in ditches.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
He'll play the good cop and say, we come in peace, but...
They really come for war.
Stuart Rhodes, what do you expect from the left now?
stewart rhodes
We are going to follow through with cancel culture, and it ends in a ditch.
It's where it's going to end if you don't stop it.
It ends in a ditch full of bodies, which is what the communists have done throughout their history.
In fact, there's a state rep from New Mexico that's calling for all of us to be tattooed, if you were a Trump supporter, to be tattooed with a mark that's visible.
So they will know who you are.
So we need to understand that we're...
It's far worse than the founding fathers faced.
dan friesen
Citation needed on that New Mexico state rep.
jordan holmes
So if I understand correctly, if Tubin can't rub one out in a meeting, we're all going to mass graves.
dan friesen
Yeah, you remember how Mao got rid of his political opponents by bringing up blog posts.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was the main source of issues for the Cultural Revolution, I'm pretty sure, right?
dan friesen
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I just can't stand this overly dramatic person making these petty complaints simultaneously being the leader of a fucking militia where people did storm the Capitol and seemed to have pretty nefarious intent.
jordan holmes
I get it.
You know, like when you're so used to having uncontrollable and impenetrable privilege your entire life and the lives of your forebears, I get that the idea of equality is threatening to you.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But let's just remind ourselves that at best, from a Biden presidency, we're going to get a little bit more equal.
It's not going to change too much for white people.
dan friesen
It's just not.
And I think that you'll see more coherent and more sincere aggressive critique and action from the left.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
I think you will see more organizing against or in order to push policy for Biden from the left than you will from the right.
You'll see culture war nonsense and just a bunch of agree.
I find it hard to think that, you know, like watching Portland happen just recently.
Since the inauguration.
jordan holmes
Yeah, since the inauguration, watching the way the cops reacted, it struck me that more likely what we're going to see from the Capitol riot is not that people are going to go back to D.C., but that cops are going to fuck people up at home.
You know, like the DC overthrow is going to everybody's home and it's cops...
Fucking people up.
dan friesen
Oh, and there's that video out of Tacoma of the police car driving through a bunch of people.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's the legacy of the six.
dan friesen
I think it's entirely possible, and I think that there will also be the other legacy, and that is I think that there will be a lot of people who end up going to prison or who at least get charged with a bunch of stuff, and I think that we may or may not hear follow-ups on a lot of it, but I think a lot of people are going to be jammed up for that.
And, hey, three of them are Stuart Rhodes' militia members, at least.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's unfortunate that the people who created the conditions are absolutely not going to face any...
dan friesen
Rico.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, Stuart believes that Trump, you know that guy?
Last sitting president who was real.
unidentified
Okay.
Okay.
dan friesen
That said, there is a potential for future elections.
No!
Future elections.
They can go well.
But there's something that needs to happen for these elections to go well.
And that is paper ballots.
But also...
jordan holmes
I'm fine with paper.
I'm happy with paper ballots.
I like paper ballots.
dan friesen
That's just the beginning.
jordan holmes
That's a good beginning!
dan friesen
There's a second step to this that is ludicrous.
jordan holmes
I don't know how I feel about the second step.
alex jones
Anything else you'd like to add in about 30 seconds we have left?
stewart rhodes
We no longer have a legitimate president.
Trump was the last actual sitting legitimate president.
We will see if we can ever have one again, but it's going to require paper ballots.
At any local elections, you must insist on paper ballots.
If they won't do it, you hold your own parallel election using paper ballots to prove that your Patriot candidate did win.
Make sure you have a way to prove that.
And from bottom to top, bottom up, is how you take it back.
alex jones
That's right, Stuart.
dan friesen
How do you do that?
How do you run a second election?
jordan holmes
I think the funny thing, the funniest thing about that is that the only people who would be furious at the results of us going to entirely paper ballots would be these people.
I have zero doubt in my mind that if we were using paper ballots, Stacey Abrams would have been governor of Georgia.
Zero doubt.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know.
Maybe.
I don't know what I think entirely would change.
Because I don't believe that there's rank corruption of electronic voting.
I think that there's problems with gerrymandering and access to polling places.
And I don't know if that would be fully solved by paper ballots.
jordan holmes
I would doubt it.
dan friesen
I would say that, you know, one thing that would be even more helpful than paper ballots would be Having a holiday for elections.
Having multiple days that people can vote.
Which are things that people are doing.
We're making progress towards.
And also expanding access to remote voting.
jordan holmes
Keeping Republicans away from how many polling places are allowed in, let's say, majority black neighborhoods.
dan friesen
And not letting people like Stuart's friends hang around outside.
jordan holmes
That's a good one.
I like that one too.
dan friesen
These things would make more...
I think a parallel election would teach people a lot about how you would want to steal it.
Here's a really good way that that process could get subverted and you'd never know it.
jordan holmes
How?
dan friesen
So you're running a second election.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I go ahead and vote differently in those two.
How would you ever know?
jordan holmes
Well, because it would also be run by the Georgia Election Commission.
dan friesen
Why would they ever do that?
jordan holmes
Well, because right-wing nutjobs want it!
dan friesen
No, he's talking about the Oath Keepers running their own election.
robert barnes
I know.
dan friesen
So dumb.
jordan holmes
I think they should have the UN come in to observe the results of the election.
I think these guys would love that.
dan friesen
They'd love it.
So, Stuart leaves, and Alex, earlier, Stuart had said that Trump is a disappointment, he failed, he didn't step up when duty called, and all these people are going to be going around and saying that, hey, he was surrounded, making excuses for him.
jordan holmes
Who, like Alex and Roger Stone and Steve Pachanek and Jerome Corsi?
dan friesen
No, no, no, like Alex immediately after Stuart leaves.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And I respect Stuart Rhodes, the Oath Keepers.
He was on last segment here on the Alex Jones Show, last hour, and he was saying he think Trump really failed by not declaring.
of the Insurrection Act.
Well, Bob Barnes was a lawyer for Trump and was in some of the meetings.
And they were planning to have the military arrest Trump if he did that.
Yeah.
unidentified
Even though it was lawful.
alex jones
And so Trump was totally surrounded.
dan friesen
So it sounds like you're the kind of person who Stuart was talking about having no patience for.
unidentified
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is just a nice clip of Alex being a narcissistic shithead on Inauguration Day.
alex jones
I just have always tried to steer you as accurate as I can with the best info I have, with real research and real historical understanding and, quote, sources.
But I'll tell you, most of the time I know more than my sources.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
The Pentagon calls me up.
The CIA calls me up to ask what I think of things.
Not the other way around.
I'm not trying to brag about that, folks, but I have a good political brain.
I've been doing this a long time.
I've been trained in the field, in the school of hardened knots, as an organic patriot citizen who wasn't trained by the system.
Matt is seen by the system as the proof of someone's real gravitas is that they pull themselves up, Out of the mud.
And I'm not telling you that to act powerful.
I'm telling you that because that's the reality, ladies and gentlemen.
Now let's shift gears into Lady Gaga.
dan friesen
Those pills might be kicking in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's shift gears into Lady Gaga.
I think that's good.
They really do respect people who pull themselves up, Dan.
How did Alex get his first show again?
dan friesen
His dad bought an ad.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, that's right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
On the radio station.
One of the other things I think is really funny is just imagining just any other show where somebody interviews somebody about Medicare policy or something like that, and then they're like, you know what?
I know way more about Medicare than these assholes that I have on.
It would just be like...
jordan holmes
Rest in peace to Larry King.
If only he had a few broadcasts where he was just like...
Man, all these people that I talk to are fucking stupid.
The government calls me up for what I think about things.
dan friesen
I think anybody, in any context other than Alex Jones, it becomes so clear how rude it is, how unprofessional it is.
But for Alex, it's just like, yeah, this is the kind of dickhead that he is.
jordan holmes
I mean, if you have an MO for long enough, people will just be like, fine.
dan friesen
Also, speaking of which, with Larry King, I was reminded on his passing, and a lot of people posted the clip.
jordan holmes
Dave Rubin?
dan friesen
Yes.
I was glad they did.
I hadn't seen that in a while, and if you haven't seen it, go check that out.
Larry King was on with Dave Rubin.
They were doing a live broadcast, and Larry King answered a call from his son.
It was incredibly rude.
Beautiful.
jordan holmes
It was beautiful.
dan friesen
Went on forever.
jordan holmes
Beautiful.
dan friesen
Dave Rubin is so pissed.
jordan holmes
Lovely.
dan friesen
One of the best things ever.
jordan holmes
I love it.
dan friesen
So, Robert Barnes shows up now.
jordan holmes
Cool!
We gotta have some constitutional law to tell us why.
dan friesen
We already did.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
We did have Stuart Rhodes telling me about the Constitution.
That's right.
dan friesen
He's just basically there to shit on Q more.
I think that that's Barnes' new thing.
His new branding is anti-Q guy.
jordan holmes
I like it.
That's a good rebrand.
dan friesen
Sure, whatever.
But he also has an idea for what Trump needs to do now that he's out of office.
robert barnes
I think Trump's great skill is his marketing, and his great asset is his brand.
And so he should leverage both to look at an independent news media network, independent information distribution network, independent social media platforms, maybe even look at independent banks and financial institutions.
The reality is there's there's going to be huge demand for all of those things from people that are our Trump supporters because of the censorship campaigns and the blacklisting campaigns by the institutional media, by employment institutions, by financial institutions, The only way to counteract that is to have our own networks.
To do to replicate and repeat what Infowars has done.
Build an independent brand that's not dependent at all, either on corporate donations or sugar daddy billionaires, but also isn't dependent on big tech distribution platforms either.
The Infowars is the model and the template for the president to mirror and follow in a broader context of industry.
dan friesen
I'm not sure that I would want to be involved with a bank that's modeled after Infowars.
Like, I don't think I would feel confident having my money held by people who are constantly ranting about the devil and how they might be out of business next week.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
There are some good financial advisors.
dan friesen
I think that those business models are...
Especially ones like...
A lot of that has to do with confidence.
That's one of the things that will go a long way in terms of making investors and depositors not make a rush on their money trying to get it out.
I think that Alex is maybe...
jordan holmes
Here's what I want to do.
I want to put my money in a bank that screams at me about how the government is going to take my money away from that bank.
dan friesen
Also, is this independent bank going to be involved in the FDIC?
jordan holmes
Also, if you're telling me that you want a social network started by Trump without a fucking daddy billionaire, you know what?
dan friesen
It's a little incoherent.
It's all a little incoherent.
jordan holmes
His plan is functionally, let's secede from reality entirely.
We don't have to live in...
Look, we can't leave the country because it's land, but our brains can secede.
dan friesen
We will create a media ecosystem, which we've already done a lot of legwork on with Infowars and Newsmax and OAN, and Trump has certainly elevated all these things.
We'll create online spaces for us to interact.
We'll create...
jordan holmes
You know, this would remind me a lot, and I don't think Barnes would like it too much, if this were actually enacted.
I think it would remind me more of, like...
The mining towns in the 1890s and early 1900s where the guy who owned the mine also printed your money, owned your home, ran everything there, printed the newspaper.
dan friesen
I'm not positive that Barnes wouldn't like that.
I mean, that's basically libertarian fantasy land.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
Well, I think a lot of people would love it if they were the owner of the mine.
dan friesen
See, that's what they think.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that is...
jordan holmes
I'm gonna get my own mine.
dan friesen
Well...
To an extent, I think people like Barnes and Alex are at a level of society where they view themselves as being okay in a libertarian landscape.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Like that.
Like that mining town.
They would either be the person who runs the mine or somebody who's an associate of the person who runs the mine.
So they're fine.
They aren't the miners.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
You don't want to be a miner.
dan friesen
Right.
So, you know, obviously that's the society that they would like to see and they would like to build.
jordan holmes
I'm going to tell you right now, a society built...
It's around people who don't want to work in the mine, but all want to own it?
Not a good one.
dan friesen
It's functional.
So Barnes, like I said, most of it is complaining about QAnon, which is just becoming annoying at this point.
And so he leaves, and Alex, he said this, and I got pretty excited.
alex jones
Here's a short compilation.
We've got like a 20-minute one, but here's a minute-and-a-half compilation of them calling for reprogramming, re-education camps of the American...
People.
dan friesen
So Alex is going to play that compilation.
You know, I was curious because I hadn't heard him play those clips, but he keeps talking about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I decided that what I was going to do is I was going to look into each clip.
jordan holmes
Do it.
dan friesen
Here's the deal.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I took this compilation clip by clip, and I found the context for each of them, and I found that none of them really had anything to do with putting conservatives in camps or anything even close, and I was thinking, like, what the fuck is going on?
I spent a long time sorting this out, and then at the end of the compilation, it didn't matter because Alex said this.
alex jones
Oh, the enemy's the American people, so that's another compilation.
Sorry, we heard the wrong one.
dan friesen
Go fuck yourself.
I wasted so much time.
Sorry.
jordan holmes
Sorry.
It turns out the compilation that I was talking about doesn't exist.
dan friesen
That's the equivalent in my world of me slipping on a banana peel.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is.
That's Lucy holding the football.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex just pulled it away.
unidentified
ever and ever but but but but but Charlie Brown All right.
alex jones
Now, now, now, Barnes, we did get one of the clips.
It's not the crew's fault.
There's so many.
Brainwash, reeducate, kill, firing squad.
Reprogram.
But I wanted to just show one of the clips about re-education camps because that's where they're going with this.
Here it is.
alan dershowitz
Harvard now ought to set up kind of re-education camps and moral rehabilitation centers and institutions for vetting people who had the chutzpah to work in the Trump administration.
alex jones
That's right.
And that's him criticizing.
We've got a bunch of clips that we'll add in post when we add this to.
That's him criticizing.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I guess Barnes is still around, but who cares?
Alex breaks into the interview to say that he did find one of the clips, but unfortunately...
It's not a leftist saying they want to put conservatives in caps.
It's just another right winger complaining about his fear that leftists are going to put conservatives in caps.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
This is noted Epstein lawyer Alan Dershowitz complaining about Harvard students starting a petition to encourage the school to not hire anyone who worked for the Trump administration.
This doesn't help Alex's point, and guess what?
That's a clip from November.
jordan holmes
How does the Dersh get allowed on TV?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
dan friesen
I don't know, but that's the best they could do.
And what I find really interesting about that...
Is that Alex is supposedly in possession of hundreds of these clips.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
He breaks in with this clip after playing the wrong compilation.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I don't know if he has all these clips.
jordan holmes
He does not.
There are not then.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because they don't exist.
dan friesen
So Alex is kind of bored.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because...
jordan holmes
Inauguration really isn't that big of a deal.
dan friesen
No.
And it also was shorter than he thought it was going to be.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Biden didn't make any real serious gaffes, and Alex is a little bit disappointed.
alex jones
All right.
I think terror attacks should happen any time.
If something happens, turn your phone on, brother.
We're going to be live until 10 o 'clock tonight.
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
Yeah, there should have been attacks any time now.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure he's very disappointed nobody attacked the Capitol.
dan friesen
Yeah, or around the country at some other state house or something.
He's pretty much like, that's the whole reason we were going to do an all-day thing.
jordan holmes
Because I thought my buddies were going to start fires.
dan friesen
I predicted false flags.
jordan holmes
Yeah, come on, man.
dan friesen
So it goes on a little bit longer.
Alex is spinning his wheels.
There's nothing really going on.
It's very boring.
alex jones
We haven't had a false flag yet today.
I mean, maybe it's going to happen.
I pray it doesn't.
They were certainly saying one was coming.
I think we put so much attention on this.
jordan holmes
Who was?
alex jones
And told Patriots, don't go out and demonstrate on the 20th that we may have dodged a bullet.
Though that's knock on wood.
dan friesen
Yeah, so, you know, we stopped it from happening by saying it, but...
So awful.
Anyway, Alex has Matt Bracken on, noted race war predictor.
Matt Bracken noted...
Shoddy Diagram fan, Matt Bracken.
Noted e-book about race war salesman, Matt Bracken.
He's on, and the two of them have a largely unproductive conversation.
And I think Alex is so bored that he just leaves.
Not in the same way as during his interview with Jason Jones.
jordan holmes
Sure, but mentally in his head.
dan friesen
No, he's just like, Bracken, you're doing a half hour.
You take care of this until John Rappaport shows up.
Alex just leaves.
jordan holmes
That's great.
dan friesen
Matt Bracken hosts for a little while and I don't give a shit.
And then John Rappaport shows up to host the fourth hour and this is where I turn things off.
unidentified
Okay, hello everybody.
harrison smith
John here.
john rappaport
I thought I would celebrate the Biden inauguration by putting myself in a virtual loft.
As you can see behind me, in a virtual city that is on virtual lockdown and my refrigerator is stocked with virtual food because it was, of course, a virtual inauguration after a virtual...
dan friesen
Rappaport got a Zoom background.
jordan holmes
This is riveting stuff.
dan friesen
I can't believe how boring it is.
jordan holmes
That is the most bored I have been so fast in the shortest period of time.
dan friesen
35 seconds for him to explain that he got a Zoom background.
jordan holmes
That was...
Brutally boring.
dan friesen
Outrageous.
jordan holmes
That's terrifying.
dan friesen
Inappropriate.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It makes me mad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Now, I think that I could have probably kept going and listened to The War Room, although that's not a show that I normally listen to.
unidentified
True.
dan friesen
Owen Troyer is basically a less competent, bro-y version of Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I just...
What I got to by the end of Alex's show was this sort of sense that...
They're all disappointed.
There's no real new talking points being developed in terms of, like, what happened on the 6th.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Biden's a fake president.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Whoop-de-doo.
This is all exactly the way they've been going.
I didn't have any faith that this was going to develop into anything interesting.
Right.
Simultaneously, I didn't think that there was any chance that Owen's show could be any more offensive than the American Journal.
I don't think that there could be anything that topped that in terms of The dangerousness, the offensiveness, the bigotedness.
jordan holmes
And the banality of it.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
The banality of it was such a terrifying part.
It's always the scariest part where they're just like, we have to kill millions of people.
Like just tossing it off.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so I kind of felt done.
With Inauguration Day, we saw some outrageous white nationalist slash supremacist slash neo-Nazi content in the morning show.
We saw Alex disappointed that his predictions of bombings and false flags didn't come true, and therefore he had no content on his own show.
I just...
Oh, and Stuart Rhodes showed up.
So, I was done.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think we got what we needed out of it.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think Alex definitely didn't get what he wanted out of it, which was a lot of terror attacks.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I do think that that was something he was kind of hoping for.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why else would you say we're going to do...
Look, if you're InfoWars and you're saying we're going to do a live 10-hour broadcast, that's not because you think the inauguration is going to go well.
dan friesen
No, or that you have, like...
jordan holmes
Some analysis or something to say.
dan friesen
A breakdown of policy.
unidentified
Nothing.
dan friesen
A breakdown of the agenda that Biden is setting out for in his first hundred days.
You really want to get down into the nitty gritty.
You want to get in the weeds.
jordan holmes
Want to be a policy wonk.
We all know he's a policy wonk.
We all know that.
dan friesen
He says it on our show like five times a show.
jordan holmes
All the time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't think he has the ability to, nor the interest in it, and his audience wouldn't be at all motivated by it.
jordan holmes
This is InfoWars.
We want spectacle, and we want explosions.
dan friesen
Yes, and apparently we want a dork being a bigot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I guess so.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back probably on Friday, I think, for another episode.
Maybe a bonus little thing on Wednesday.
Let's hope.
And then we'll discuss the fallout of Alex losing his Supreme Court in Texas appeal, which I think will be maybe interesting.
Maybe not.
Who knows?
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledgefight and I go to bed Jordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
unidentified
We are...
jordan holmes
If you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to do God's work.
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, I'm Daryl Rundis.
I got bad news for you, Harrison Smith.
You have attracted my attention.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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