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Jan. 18, 2021 - Knowledge Fight
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#521: Salt Break
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Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes, hosts of Knowledge Fight, reluctantly revisit Alex Jones by analyzing Coach Dave Dobbenmeier’s January 6 livestream—where he doxxed Metro passengers, including one claiming the riot was about "fighting communism," despite the 4M attendee myth debunked by rain and a competing Bears game. They mock his sovereign citizen claims (like renouncing U.S. citizenship via Judge Anna von Reitz’s disputed paperwork) and Trump’s alleged ineligibility under the movement’s logic, then dismantle his BLM-orchestrated-violence conspiracy as a cowardly deflection. The segment ends with a tease of their Wednesday deep dive into Jones’s rhetoric, blending critique with dark humor. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
d
dan friesen
15:19
j
jordan holmes
10:21
Appearances
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coach dave daubenmire
01:30
Clips
a
alex jones
infowars 00:00
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, Shang, we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
I need money.
Rattler, rattler.
Riddler.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Tandy.
Stop it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
Andy.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the airplane for holding.
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish pin color.
I'm a kid here today.
I love your room.
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
I'm Jordan.
We're Gibble Dudes.
Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Jordan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Quick question for you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yes, sir.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
My bright spot today is I'm talking into a new microphone.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, that's right.
We are talking to a new microphone.
They look the same.
I completely forgot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Exactly the same.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
They're the same.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Still cheap ass pad microphones.
Yep.
But they're new.
I noticed some poppling and crackling in a couple of our recent episodes.
I decided it was time to get at least new chords.
And man, this new windscreen feels good on my face.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
It does.
It's much smoother.
It doesn't have years of other people's faces on it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, pre-COVID.
Pre-COVID, other people's faces.
The only one who's touched it since then.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, for four years, we're the only ones who've touched it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yes.
Yeah, it's nice, though.
I bought a desk mic stand as well, but it does not attach to the mic holder.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
It looks there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I still have some work to do on that phone.
But yeah, it's my weekend warrior type project for today.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I love it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
How about you?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Similar weekend warrior type project, Dan.
I have for probably like 13 years lived in apartments, in apartment buildings with people around me.
And so when I left for apartment living, I also left my drum set.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I miss it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
You're a guy who likes to throw some sticks.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I played drums since I was like eight years old, and then I had to stop at like 19 for the aforementioned reasons.
And it has been difficult.
And finally, I realized that you can get an electric drum kit for like 300 bucks.
So I got one.
Wow.
And it's fantastic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Wow, how about that?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
It's very cheap.
It's garbage.
I'm going to break it in a week.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's going to be like when I played rock band.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Just destroying those pants.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Smashing it to death.
But it is so good to get back to drums.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Somehow it's still going to be too loud for your partner.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
She's still going to be like, well, I've also here's the weekend warrior.
The last time that I tried having a conversation while she was at work, our rooms share a wall.
Right, right.
And I am loud.
And I have a tendency to toss language about in jest.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Not fit for the classroom.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
No, most of her high school students have heard me speak.
So I bought some soundproofing shit.
So my entire room is going to be turned into a studio, essentially.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Good luck with that.
Soundproofing is kind of tough unless you can get inside the walls.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I'm working on it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Well, that's fun.
I hope you have some nice fun.
Dave Gorolesque drumming adventures in your video.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Who hasn't played along to Queens of the Stone Age songs for the dead?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I have only on rock band.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
But see what I'm saying?
You're not even a drummer and you've played along with it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I've played Everlong on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Well, that one's fairly easy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Not on Expert.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
You don't know your 16th notes, bro?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
No, I don't.
It's very fast.
My foot gets tired.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I miss rock band.
You let the sticks do the work.
That's what a lot of people don't know about drums.
You think you got to hit it with your arm.
You just move your wrist.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
You say that, and it's like a cryptic mystery or something.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
No, it's not a mystery.
You let the sticks do the work, Dad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I don't know.
I loved rock band.
I spent hours, hours trying to 100% helter skelter on expert.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I don't think I ever succeeded.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
You never succeeded.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I think I tried it hundreds and hundreds of times.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Because you get an achievement in Beatles Rock Band if you get it.
100% on Expert.
Just couldn't get it.
Couldn't get it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Couldn't do it, huh?
Ringo, gotcha.
The classic drummer that throws people off.
Look, I'm sorry.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
A lot of the other songs are pretty easy, but Helter Skelter is a little complex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I'm also not very good at rhythm-based stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
No, that's fine.
I'm sorry if I don't mean to make fun of you.
I'm just a bully.
I'm a bad person.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
That's all.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I'm sorry.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's okay.
Okay.
So, Jordan, today we got an interesting thing on our plates in front of us, and that is that we don't really have an episode.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That is an interesting thing on our plates.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So, here's what happened.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
What was that?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I did not want to do another episode for today about Alex.
I wanted to push that to Wednesday because I needed personally a break from him.
I was tired of his bullshit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Last week was emotionally exhausting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, starting on the preparation for Friday's episode on the 8th, straight through to present.
It's been a lot.
It's been a lot of stuff that I grow weary of.
And then at the same time, the payoff of the interview with Steve Pieczenik on our last episode was almost too season-ending.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
It felt like it was a fucking season finale.
We got CVPs giving us the fucking cliffhanger.
unidentified
And when is he going to come to his face?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I have been lying to you for 20 years.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I decided to anoint you as the vehicle by which I would set off a military coup.
Wait, hold on, hold on, Doc.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I have been the puppet master.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, you think you're in control?
No, sir.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
There's something about that that was so satisfying and narratively interesting to me that I found myself having a really tough time going back to Alex.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And I know it'll be temporary.
I'll be able to get back on the horse soon, but I sat down to try and listen to other episodes, and I was just like, I can't do this.
And so what I wanted to do, naturally, in times like this in the past, what we've done is we've gone to various other online space weirdos.
Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, if we could.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And so, yeah, I checked in on Carrie Cassidy over at Project Camelot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And she had a video the day after the storming of the Capitol.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
She's on some Q bullshit for 100%.
Yeah, 100%.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Zero.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Zero possibility that that wasn't going to happen.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I got really bored listening to that too because aliens weren't in play.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
unidentified
Why wouldn't it?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
What did he say?
Get the fuck out of Q and get back into space, lady.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I did find out from listening to this, but it wasn't worth getting too deep into.
There's apparently an Archon alien, a singular one.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
Just one.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
That runs the CIA.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I did not know that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I did run that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And it used to be this guy, Archon, right?
But I think Carrie has some intelligence that he might have died.
And now there's a female Archon that's in charge of the CIA.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Unclear.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Prove that he's dead and not a shapeshifter.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Can't do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Can't do it.
Exactly.
I challenge you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, Carrie, bring it to me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So then I was like, well, I bet Jim Baker's disappointed.
And I still don't like talking about Jim Baker.
I don't know why.
I just don't.
It still makes me a little bit uncomfortable.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I think that I'm not going to be able to go back to that well after.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Fuck Jim Baker.
I just, I don't know what is he going to say.
God does shit.
Well, we've moved on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
How great his big-ass bucket of oatmeal is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
You and I have both read the Bible and eaten survival food.
We can just move on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So then, of course, I was kind of like in a bind.
I was like, I don't know what I'm going to do.
Got to get something together.
And then I remembered that when I was looking at pictures of the Capitol on the 6th, I saw somebody wearing a pass-the-salt shirt, which, of course, is the name of Dave Dobenmeier.
Coach Dave, it's the name of his radio ministry, his YouTube broadcast ministry.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Pass the salt.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I saw that.
I was like, whoa, there's Dave Dobbenmeier's shirts at the protest at the people storming the Capitol.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Was he there?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That would be amazing.
Who else is wearing a Dave Dobbenmeier shirt?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Well, it wasn't him.
I would have recognized him in the picture.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
But I was like, Coach Dave had to have been there, right?
And so I went and I checked.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Dave Dobbenmeier was at the Capitol.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
He could not possibly have been there.
Really?
Dave Dobbenmeier decided to go storm the Capitol.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Coach Dave.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Son of a bitch.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yep.
unidentified
He led the football team in through.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I can't come up with metaphors.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Guys, win one for the Gipper.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So today I wanted to take a little bit of a look at that, but it's not really much of an episode.
I wasted a lot of time watching these streams for what will ultimately be kind of, I don't know, a little bit deflating.
It's not going to be.
Look, if you like our show, tune back in on Wednesday.
We will have a full episode if you're expecting that.
unidentified
I do like the idea of Dave Dobbenmeyer.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
What if an episode of like Battlestar Galactica was like, hey, guys, this is a bottle episode.
We couldn't afford to really do much here.
Listen, if you want to see some space shit, come back next week.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So one of the things that I thought was really funny is on the 6th, Dave is coach recording and doing a live stream from the Metro, from the train in D.C.
So it's a little bit iffy.
The sound is not great.
The connection is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That'll happen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
But one of the things that he does that I think is really maybe unfortunate in hindsight is he literally doxes every single person who's on that train with him going to DC.
Like if any of them went in the Capitol, his broadcast could be identifying information.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
It will, it's, look, it's obvious.
This was always going to be the case that this would happen.
But the fact that the people most afraid of Bill Gates tracking them all the time have doxed themselves so completely, it's just, it's never not going to be obvious.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's just going around like, oh, this is Greg from Idaho.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Totally.
Totally.
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Don't do this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, man.
I love it.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So Dave gets to talking about how many people there are going to be there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I do like how it seems the only people who are uninterested in doxing each other are Antifa.
They're the only people who are like, hey, if you're going to video people, don't put their face in it or say their real names.
Everybody else is like, I'd love to be on TV.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Here's my social security number.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Exactly.
Are you from Nigeria?
I met a guy once.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So he gets to talking about how there's going to be so many people there.
And this is big.
This is not just a protest.
unidentified
From what I what I saw, Dale, four million.
They said there's possibly four million people that are going to be here in downtown Washington, D.C. Very, very strong, powerful message.
And most of the people have not come just to chant four more years.
No, I don't think so, Coach.
I think it's far beyond that.
Once again, Donald Trump is not going to call.
He called for this rally.
He has a platform at nine this morning, I believe.
He is going to talk.
He's not, it's not a pep rally.
I do not believe this is game on.
Remember, we talked about, you know, we always have 11 men on offense and 11 men on defense in the field.
This is like the coach turning to the stadium and saying, get on the field.
Now is the time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I think I might be feeling inspired to write a book.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Your honor, exhibit A.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I feel like there's a great book to be written about all of the right-wing media stuff prior to the Capitol storming called This Looks Bad in Hindsight.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, totally, totally.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
But ultimately, the thing that's really interesting about it is it's not really that different than the way they talk normally.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
You know, it's pretty much hubris, a Nazi tale.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So there's a guy on the bus there, and Dave goes around and he checks in on the temperature of the people in the crowd.
Hey, how are you doing?
Hey, how you doing?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And this guy says it's now or never.
unidentified
Well, I'll tell you what, it's time we stand up.
This is it for our country, I'd say.
Either now or never.
Now or never.
I've enjoyed the blessings of the United States of America for 74 years, and I just don't want to see it go basically to the communists.
That's what we're looking at.
We've got to hand it off to our children.
It's our children, grandchildren.
That's it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, man.
The commies, they're coming.
And it's now or never.
You've got to stand up and fight these commies or else your grandkids aren't going to have a capitalist country to live in and have a great time with.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I like the real low tier of these guys because I recognize how they talk.
And that is exactly like comedy producers who have never put on a good show.
I think we're going to have about 4 million people here tonight.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yes.
That is awesome.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I think we're going to have so many people here tonight.
I'm telling you, I've got so many Facebook messages.
People are committed to showing up.
You should have been here last week.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Oh, well, actually, it was going to be 4 million, but it rained.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Exactly.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, I forgot that there was a Bears game today.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Oh, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's Sunday.
There's always a game.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yes, exactly.
unidentified
Your show is weekly on Sundays.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
You've got to know there's football.
You've got to know there's football, man.
So, yeah, they are a little bit, there's a little bit of pride or a little bit of expectation and excitement.
It's definitely palpable.
You can tell they feel like they're getting ready to go do something more than chant four more years.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
For sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, the electricity was clearly in the air.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And interestingly, I mean, I think that the people who are there have a lot more to say than just that Biden stole the election.
There's certainly some ideas that are being trafficked on this bus that are interesting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Great ideas.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Great, high-falutin ideas.
unidentified
Clyde's going to tell us how to become a citizen of our local states rather than of the government.
Is that right?
Actually, what you're doing is you're moving from the admiralty and jurisdiction of the sea to the jurisdiction of the land and the soil.
And it's just very simple.
You just remove yourself.
You go through the process of the paperwork to remove yourself as a U.S. citizen and become a citizen of the state you were born in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
unidentified
And join the Assembly of States in your state.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That's a good thing.
unidentified
And then you become a state national or a state citizen.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, of course.
unidentified
There are rumors that Trump is a state national.
And he's already gone through.
He knows and understands all of this.
And what we have to do, we talk about seceding.
We don't need to secede our states.
We need to secede ourselves one at a time and move over to the land jurisdiction.
And what we're doing right now is thanks to Judge Anna von Reitz.
She's done all the paperwork so that we now, right now, are repopulating the original Constitution of 1787.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So I think Anna von Reitz, if I recall correctly, is somebody that I've heard Carrie Cassidy bring up quite a bit.
So there's a nice little overlap there of that.
Sure.
unidentified
Yeah, can I for people?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I wrote in a scream.
I wrote in a scream.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, people who aren't here in the room can't tell those are big old letters.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Those are big old letters.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
What do we got there?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
He just basically said, all right, that the president that they love most is not an American citizen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, that is a problem with his theory.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
But that's because sovereign citizens are higher up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
So you're going to come at me with Obama wasn't born here, and then you're going to tell me that your president isn't even American?
Well, get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Super American.
Constitution of 1870.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
That's all just QAnon sovereign citizen shit.
It's a bummer.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
It's a real bummer.
It's amazing to me how important paperwork is to these people and how unimportant reading is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it's fun too because you got Dave here, Coach Dave, on the bus, and he's having this guy explain how you become a citizen of the land.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yes.
You got to take your away from the Admiralty.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And he's not like, I don't know about that, man.
He's like, oh, bro.
I can't wait to have you on the show again and talk more about this.
What?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
So good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
But look, this guy knows what he's talking about.
I think he went to law school.
unidentified
So our whole movement, I believe, is going to be about teaching people how to get out of the jurisdiction of the Admiralty law and the law of the sea and the Vatican, which is the law of the air.
Law comes from L-A-W-W, land, air, water.
That's where the word law comes from.
The three jurisdictions.
The Pope figured this out in 1300.
That's who we're living under right now.
The Vatican.
The same post is under that.
The only way to get out of it is to go and land and soil and get back under the Constitution of 1787.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
Land, air, water.
That's what law means.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Are we doing this?
Are we doing this, Dan?
We're not.
The Vatican is the law of the air.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Right.
And then I think the British Empire is the land or the law of the sea.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Maritime.
It's under British common admiralty law.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And then I guess the land is just everybody.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
The land.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
The land is free.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
The land is just the Constitution of the European.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Freedom.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
But not the United States individual states.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Because we're also the articles.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Does this apply to people in other countries?
Like the law of the country?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
No, the Vatican owns their heir, so they don't have any choice.
See, the Pope figured this out in 1300.
Figured what out?
That law means land, air, and water.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
In what language?
It's not spelled that way.
All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Fire.
Water.
Air.
Long ago.
My father.
He's talking about the avatar.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Talking about elements.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, man.
J.K. Simmons.
Fantastic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Elements equal jurisdictions.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
You ever fuck with Avatar, Dan?
No.
Not the Cameron bullshit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I'm talking about young people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Young boy.
Young boy with air powers.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I watched the James Cameron movie because I was brought along to it by friends who insisted I go see it because they like Firefox.
No, wait, that's Serenity.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Serenity was great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
But I also saw Avatar because it was too big to not see.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
You know, it was one of those things that, like, you gotta.
unidentified
You didn't see the Rise of Skywalker.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I'm an adult.
What a joke.
There was a time when that came out.
I was of the age where it's like, yeah, you gotta see this.
unidentified
Well, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
People are gonna be talking about it.
Yes.
And I don't care about that now.
I think I did see The Last Skywalker.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
You did not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I think I did.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
When?
When?
Tell me when.
What did you get it on DVD, Dan?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I went to the Red Box.
No, I think I did see it, though.
We'll deal with this later.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Anyway, there's three jurisdictions.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
We're all under.
Wait, he's saying that we're under maritime law, but apparently the Vatican, that's air law.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I would like him.
That's avian law.
Before we go any further in any conversation with this guy, I want to know exactly the laws of air.
I need to know what air law is that the Pope has control over.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
If I were to go any further in this conversation with this guy, which I wouldn't, here's how it would go.
What's over there?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
And I just walk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I had a friend who really perfected that move, like pretending that he saw something somewhere else and just would walk off.
I really admired the hell out of his ability to get away from things.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
You know, I've done that.
I've done that many times.
You know, you get into those party conversations where it's four people and the three of them start having a conversation and you're like, I want to jump in, but it's just not going to happen.
You look over and you're like, oh my God.
And then you just walk away.
You saw a friend.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
I think the key to pulling that off perfectly is that you have to end up somewhere that's not in direct eyeshot of the people you just saw.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Sure, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Because otherwise you're just going to be milling around over there so much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Anyway, Dave has heard that there's a lot to be worried about.
There's a lot of threats on the ground.
There's like Antifa and what have you.
Right, right.
He's not worried about any of that shit.
unidentified
I'm not worried that they may have bricks down there that they're going to throw at us.
I'm not worried that they're going to shoot Pepper Smarry at us.
I'm not worried that the governor's going to call in this person and the mayor's going to call in this man.
I'm not worried about any of that stuff.
We're at war.
We've gone to war.
coach dave daubenmire ▲ ● ▼
We're prepared for war.
unidentified
Spiritual war.
But if the physical war breaks out, there's going to be four million of us.
They better have a bunch.
They better have a bunch of people because this is a boiling.
Here's a true work of authority.
The mayor of DC has no military authority, not over the National Guard or anything.
All she has is DC police.
And guess what?
DC police will step.
They will step aside.
There's too many of them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So this doesn't look good in hindsight.
unidentified
Welly, welly, welly, welly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
These sort of conversations certainly seem to be pre.
What would you call that?
What's the right word I'm looking for?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Premeditated?
Is that a way to go?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I mean, it's very much like, oh, you know, like, if you accept.
Prescriptive?
If you accept the idea that, like, oh, they kind of were planning on fucking storming the Capitol, you'd kind of be like, oh, yeah, this is the kind of conversation you'd expect to hear before that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Before you storm a capital.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Hey, look, hey, we don't want any trouble, but if there's trouble, there's four million of us and the cops are on our side.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Right, right.
If the Capitol was the Constitution, these assholes are the preamble.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, preamble was probably one of the words I was trying to look for, and I just couldn't figure out a way to make it work grammatically.
So there's these Capitol police.
Sure.
And there's not enough of them, man.
There's just not enough.
There's not enough to stop Dave.
unidentified
Hey, Dale, how many policemen would you say there are in DC?
I'm just going to throw out a number, thousand?
Yeah, you know, listen, Jefferson Parish, Jefferson Parish, we have 1,500 officers, not just officers, people who work in the desk and detectives and everything.
And that's for a population of a half a million people.
I don't necessarily know they even have a thousand in D.C. Here's my point: Do they have enough to push back?
What if 500,000 people said they'd had enough of it?
What if just 10%?
What if 200,000 people said they had enough and decided they were going to storm the Capitol building?
I don't know if they're going to.
I don't know if they're going to.
What if that were to happen, folks?
We don't have any idea what might break loose here.
Now, none of us want violence.
None of us are advocating violence, but the truth of the matter is there's violence all around it.
The Bible says that the kingdom of God suffers violence from the days of John the Baptist until now.
The kingdom of God has suffered violence, and violent men have taken up by force.
See, listen, it's not the violence, it's the force.
They're forcing us to take vaccinations.
They're forcing us to close our shops.
They're forcing us to not travel.
They're forcing us to not go visit our parents and nursing homes.
They're forced.
Do you understand this?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's the same argumentation style that you hear from Alex.
Like, we don't want trouble.
We don't want any kind of violence.
But all violence that could be seen as offensive is secretly defensive because they want to give me a vaccine.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's not great to hear this from someone who's presumably a religious leader.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I would argue that spreading a disease is violence, Dan.
Offensive violence.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
There's an interesting argument you could make with that.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
And it seems like they are doing it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I would actually maybe.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, you'd want to probably have some qualification for like negligence.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Or something.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Unless you're spitting on people.
And then it's then you're out of line.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I don't know.
If you're aware that wearing a mask can save somebody else's life and you're like, I'm never wearing a mask, you have now committed violence.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yes, but how do you prove that the person actually?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
You're your own libertarian nonsense.
No, yeah, fuck off.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
But you would have to then prove that the person is aware that the masks help.
They believe that and are choosing to not do it.
Because the denial could be strong.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Sure, sure.
I don't know if I care about denying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
You may not.
The court might, though.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
The court might, but it's kind of like a math problem.
Like, I don't care if you think that math doesn't work.
It still does.
So you have to live by math.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
You know, fair enough.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So they spend some more time on this bus.
The reception gets bad.
And then it goes to the guy in the studio.
And when I say studio, I mean his office.
Sure, sure.
And he's another preacher, and he just has some people pray and stuff.
And I don't care.
Great.
Then later, they arrive at the Capitol.
There's at least one picture I saw that was of someone in a past the salt shirt.
So they were around.
All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
And the D-heads is what I'm calling somebody who wears a past the salt shirt.
Hey, would you pass the salt?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So we get to the next day now, the seventh.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And Dave comes on his show, and there's a little bit of reflection going on.
coach dave daubenmire ▲ ● ▼
We are over the target.
And as Alex Jones said about 25 years ago, it's an info war.
It's an information war.
And boys and girls, we are a dead center target in this information war.
Not just us.
I'm not trying to, you know, I'm just a fly on the butt of an elephant.
I understand that.
But I'm going to tell you something.
We are over the target, like we've never been.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So he's just using Alex language.
He's directly referencing Alex.
This dude's just a fucking info warrior.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Man, I don't want to be killed by a bunch of cowards like this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I don't like the idea that this extremist political anti-communist ideology is being so successfully marketed under the veil of religion.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Like, I really, really think that that's terrifying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I would rather be killed in a fight with ISIS because ISIS is at least like, I want to kill you.
You know, none of this wishy-washy cowardice from the conservatives.
Just like, I don't want any violence, but I'm going to have to kill you guys.
And then when violence does happen, whoa, whoa, whoa, guys.
We didn't ever want.
At least ISIS is like, I'm going to kill you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
There is, there is a, you know, terrorist groups generally do take responsibility for their actions.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
For shit, they didn't even do sometimes.
coach dave daubenmire ▲ ● ▼
Well, interestingly, Dave has a very similar take on things after the fact that his hero, Alex Jones, does part of the information war that's going on, and here's going to be your greatest battle and my greatest battle is you're going to have to convince the people that you come in contact with that what happened yesterday in Washington, D.C. wasn't this.
This wasn't what happened.
The storming of the Capitol building, the infiltration of anti-FOB BLM as part of that infiltration.
Yes, Patriots did break through.
They did break through and get into the Capitol building.
Yes, but can I tell you something?
Are you listening to me?
They let us.
Folks, listen to me.
They let us break through.
They let the Patriots break through and then embedded BLM in the group.
And all the wicked, crazy stuff that happened inside that Capitol building, that was not done by Patriots, folks.
That was not done.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I love the idea that he's saying on the seventh, hey, it gets suspicious that the cops let them through when the morning sucks.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
The cops are going to let us through.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
It's very strange.
It implies a real change of perspective about, oh, this actually happened.
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I just see that so universally with these folks that you look in on.
I did not expect.
We got to find a way to not take responsibility for whoever shit on that desk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
If anybody, if anybody comes at me with like, listen to any conservative in the media now, it's just no.
What are you talking about?
Don't, don't even.
Like, I can't engage with it.
This was the moment where it's like, no matter what you do, you caused this and then you disavowed it.
So go fuck yourself.
You're a coward.
A complete coward.
You're worse than ISIS.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's been quite a ride for you in comparing things to ISIS.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I'm enjoying it.
They were good.
They were as evil as ISIS for a while.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It was equivalent.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Now they're worse.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it's bad.
I think that one of the things that I found when I was looking at this was, first of all, I find Dave Dobbenmeyer incredibly boring.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, he's bad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
And I don't know.
Maybe it's been a long time since I've looked at any of his actual shows or anything.
It just struck me as like, you're just taking notes from InfoWars shows and preaching with it.
You're just doing that.
It's stupid.
It's almost like the idea of covering his show actually feels kind of like drinking backwash.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
You know, like it's just, I'm not interested.
Yeah.
But he was there.
Sure.
And this is an interesting set of circumstances, an interesting set of behaviors.
The, like, hey, Trump is telling us all to get on the field, you know, like a, well, I mean, the three jurisdictions thing.
That's just good, clean fun.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That's fantastic.
That's fantastic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
They're literally talking about the possibility of storming the Capitol and how the police will stand down.
There's not enough of them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And then the next day, there's a conspiracy afoot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
It's somebody else's fault.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
They're trying to set us up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
No, we're not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
The police let us in.
And when they let us in, they embedded antifungers.
unidentified
We're so strong, but we're the victim.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's really dumb.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Bunch of fucking cowards.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's very dumb.
And perhaps so was this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That's what I'm saying.
I want a higher quality of criminal.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I think I've said that before.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, exactly.
It's just that whole thing of just like, really?
This is who we're up against?
Come on, man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
This is the shittiest fascism I've ever seen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I bet all of them have been disappointing in the moment.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Well, that's probably true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I bet over time they take on more of a serious character.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I imagine if I went and went back and watched a serious documentary about Mussolini, they'd be like, look at this fucking idiot.
What are we talking about with this guy?
How did he take over?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, probably.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Anyway, Jordan, I apologize that we don't have a full episode for today.
unidentified
Absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
This is a bottle episode.
Battlestar Galactica is over.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's like that breaking bad episode with the fly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
But the fly is a coach.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
The fly is just Dave Daubenbyer whispering, like, hey, man, it's going to happen.
unidentified
Would you pass the salt?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's just a fly asking for salt.
All right.
Well, we'll be back on Wednesday with a full-on Alex Jones episode.
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
We do have a website.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yep.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
We are on Twitter.
It's at KnowledgeJones Government, that go to Bed, Jordan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
We are on Facebook.
Susan, if you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo and Leo.
I'm DZX Clerk.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
I'm the juiciest Ice Cube.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I love your work.
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