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Jan. 15, 2021 - Knowledge Fight
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#520: January 12-13, 2021

In Knowledge Fight’s #520, Alex Jones and guests—including conspiracy theorist Patrick M. Byrne and psychiatrist Steve Pieczenik—spin wild claims about January 6, 2021, as a CIA/QAnon "false flag" to justify martial law, blaming Antifa, Chinese agents, and even the Pope’s arrest (allegedly over a year ago). Jones insists Trump remains president, pivots to COVID-19 and vaccines as Satanic tools, and offers $200K bets on Pieczenik’s baseless predictions, like Italy’s collapse in 24 hours. Hosts Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dismantle the absurdity, exposing Jones’ shifting narratives, profit-driven paranoia, and reliance on debunked theories—revealing how his movement thrives on manufactured outrage rather than coherent strategy. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 23:12
d
dan friesen
58:12
j
jordan holmes
30:04
s
steve pieczenik
08:08
Appearances
a
ali alexander
01:11
j
joel skousen
01:05
p
patrick howley
01:02
p
patrick m byrne
02:02
Clips
n
nancy pelosi
rep/d 00:14
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Speaker Time Text
steve pieczenik
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
alex jones
Shang me are the bad guys.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
Dan and Jordan.
steve pieczenik
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Pandy.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish tin color.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're cool dudes.
Like, sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
Quick question for you.
What up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
I'm going to need a second to think.
jordan holmes
Why don't you go?
My bright spot, Dan, is my partner and I don't necessarily celebrate like an anniversary of any kind.
dan friesen
Well, I believe that edible arrangements would beg to differ.
jordan holmes
No, that was for her birthday.
dan friesen
Oh, birthday.
unidentified
Excuse me.
jordan holmes
Sorry.
That was twice for her birthday.
Neither time on the birthday.
But it has been four years in January.
dan friesen
Hey, congratulations.
jordan holmes
And for our relative anniversary time period, I bought her these.
I bought her a bouquet of South African flowers, which she loves.
She has no interest in like, hey, these are roses.
She would have slapped me in the face.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Because I have never met her before.
So I got her these and I got her this beautiful vase and she fucking loved it.
And I feel like I crushed it.
I even put it on the scoreboard.
I have one romance point to her zero right now.
She's got shit to do.
dan friesen
It's a tough year for most people.
jordan holmes
It is rough.
dan friesen
Romance points are going to be tough to come by.
It's good getting that one on the board.
jordan holmes
Right on the first of the year, get it on the board.
unidentified
Nice.
jordan holmes
Move on.
It feels really good and she's very happy.
And it, yeah, it was great.
dan friesen
Awesome.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
My bright spot, Jordan.
A little more materialist, perhaps, a little less romantic.
We got this box of candy.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And one of the things that was in it was Velvet Crumbles, which is a honeycomb candy.
jordan holmes
That sounds more like an exotic dancer, but that's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
Oh my God, it's so good.
I love it so much.
I ordered more of it and I ate all of the stuff that I ordered.
jordan holmes
This is how the sea turtles went extinct, Dan.
Do you know what happened to the sea turtles?
They ate too much Velvet Crumble.
They ate them to death.
They would go get them from a place, carry them on the ship because they stayed and they were watery and they did it and they ate them all by the time they got there and they just kept doing it, dude.
And now they're gone.
dan friesen
I was so close to ordering more and I have to stop myself.
I'm just going to eat it all so fast.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's so good.
I love the crunchy bar, which is the sort of the honeycomb covered in chocolate thing that you can get.
You could get it at like Treasure Island grocery store here in Chicago.
But it's so much better.
The Velvet Crumble is so much better.
jordan holmes
God.
Amazing.
dan friesen
Stop sending me candy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you got it.
dan friesen
But I appreciate it.
jordan holmes
I appreciate it.
dan friesen
It's going to be 400 pounds.
jordan holmes
But I appreciate it.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
So, hey, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes, Dan.
dan friesen
Today, we are talking about a little bit of stuff that has to do with Alex Jones.
We're going to be talking about January 12th and 13th, 2021.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
Blackjack.
Blackjack.
dan friesen
21.
unidentified
Oh, oh.
jordan holmes
No.
Damn it.
No, that one doesn't work either.
Dan, this is 2021.
Blackjack.
dan friesen
Why not?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
There's no reason why not.
dan friesen
It's something.
It's not going to work, but it's something.
So, yeah, it's an interesting little stretch of time.
Alex is trying to rationalize again still the events of the sixth.
jordan holmes
Not my fault, not my fault, not my fault, not my fault.
dan friesen
Q's bad.
A bunch of shit.
Antifa did stuff, and now they're planning more attacks.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
All of this.
jordan holmes
That sounds like us.
dan friesen
Yes.
It's kind of a little bit annoying.
Oh.
But at the end of this, we are going to have something remarkable happen.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I'm so excited about it that I want to get down to business.
jordan holmes
All right.
Okay.
dan friesen
But before we do, we got to take a moment to say thank you to folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Soyboy Troy.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Soyboy Troy.
alex jones
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, I see spiders where there are none.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, a very troubled person.
alex jones
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Stacey, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Spider Stacey.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Jasper J. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Jasper.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, not the Jesus Lizard.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
Not the Jesus Lizard.
dan friesen
And finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on an elevated level.
Appreciate that very much.
So, Isaac, progeny of sin, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, Mike, that's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We got to go full-telt buggy on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare info war on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Isaac, progeny of sin.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
But aren't we all progeny of sin?
dan friesen
I believe Alex believes that.
It's the Bible.
jordan holmes
We are all born out of the first sin.
dan friesen
Indeed.
So also, I wanted to say to folks, thank you all who support the show.
We are incredibly behind on shout-outs to the point where if you have not heard us give you a shout-out, please send a message to us and we will get that in.
It's, I don't know.
jordan holmes
You hear how many we do up top?
You don't want to hear 30 of those, right?
dan friesen
That's an impossible situation.
jordan holmes
We want to do everybody, but ah.
dan friesen
It's a bit and a structure that is really effective when no one's listening.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
We loved it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And now it's impossible.
jordan holmes
Now we still love it, but it makes us feel sad too.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I don't want anyone to feel left out or uncared for.
So if you have a funny alias you'd like us to shout out, just send a message and we'll get that taken care of.
jordan holmes
Or if you have a timely, timely joke.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Also, Jordan, this is very exciting.
jordan holmes
What was that?
dan friesen
Now, granted, today is Friday when this will be coming out.
But on Sunday, the 17th, something very special is happening.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And we'd like to give a preemptive shout-out for that.
And that is a couple of wonks.
Eric and Nichelle are celebrating their second anniversary.
jordan holmes
Oh, hey.
dan friesen
Happy anniversary to the two of you.
jordan holmes
Yes, indeed.
dan friesen
Got a very nice message.
Very cute about them enjoying the show and Eric doing an Alex Jones voice to say sweet things.
And it's great.
Happy anniversary to you two.
Hope you have a great one this weekend and all the best.
jordan holmes
I don't know how you could say sweet.
You have a lovely figure.
No, that doesn't sound right.
It doesn't sound good.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That doesn't sound real.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, let's get down to business.
jordan holmes
Let's do it.
dan friesen
12th and 13th coming right at you.
But first, here's an out-of-context drop from today's show.
alex jones
I'm a little plant that just opens up my petals and says, I love you.
dan friesen
See, isn't that sweet?
jordan holmes
That is sweet.
That is sweet.
I'm just a little plant.
I do like to imagine Alex as a Georgia O'Keefe.
unidentified
That's why.
I open up my petals and I say, I love you.
jordan holmes
Welcome you into my secret garden.
dan friesen
So on the 12th, Alex is jumping in.
He's starting the show predicting violence.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And it's because of the CIA, they're running QAnon.
alex jones
Trump has declared a national emergency, a particular martial law emergency in D.C.
They have manipulated right-wing forces being programmed through the Q Army to launch attacks this weekend across the United States so Joe Biden can bring in martial law.
Trump is calling for calm and peace and saying, do not be part of this.
But the CIAQ operatives are telling you that's not really Trump's plan.
Prepare to launch your attacks.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I mean, I would say that if your argument is the Q is like this operation to make Trump supporters look bad, you should have been really aggressively going after them long ago because they were making Trump supporters look bad for quite a while.
jordan holmes
See, it wasn't hard.
No.
I would argue that we didn't have to do anything to make them look bad.
dan friesen
No.
So I think that this is all basically the preemptive stuff where Alex has a pretty good sense that there may be some violence.
There might be some acts of domestic terrorism.
jordan holmes
I'm friends with Stuart Rhodes.
dan friesen
Exactly.
Who's still conspicuous in his absence on the show?
Strange, odd.
Yeah, so you got to preemptively explain these things.
You got to make sure that the audience has a ready-to-go justification for why.
This isn't a sign that our world is fucked.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Our information sphere.
jordan holmes
You also have to text Stuart Rhodes and let him know that you're still on his team and you're just running interference for him so he can commit the violence that he wants to.
dan friesen
Don't worry, Stuart.
I'm still scared of you.
jordan holmes
Look, this is a smart move for all of us for me to say that you're bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So what's going on is that there's a globalist revolution that's happening, and it's CIA running QAnon in order to precipitate this violence that will lead to the globalists taking over or something.
All right.
And did you know that that's all in the Bible?
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
We're in the midst of a global new world order revolution against humanity.
And this has been foretold?
Whether you believe in God or whatever it is, or our psychic vision of the future, because the future is past.
It's all a space-time continuum.
You can move up and down.
We saw this psychically coming.
We were warned thousands of years ago.
And you're not just by John on the Isle of Patmos.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So time go back and forth.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so John on Patmos psychically saw into the future to see Trump losing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, I always thought of time as being more like a singularity existing at all times simultaneously.
I didn't know you could go up and down and go back and forth.
All right.
Well, that'll be fun.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And John, of course, in Revelation, you can see all the signs that he was talking about Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is disgraceful.
This is sacrilegious.
jordan holmes
And the third seal was opened and its name was Medicare for All.
dan friesen
I am not religious.
I don't care to be offended on religion's behalf, but this is sacrilegious.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, no, no, that's super bad.
dan friesen
But I am going to be offended by this.
Alex starts talking about how he's what the enemy fears.
And then he starts playing on my side of the street.
alex jones
And I am that thing that the enemy fears.
I am.
And it doesn't want us to declare that.
And so are you.
The thing that should not be someday, maybe even death would die.
To quote Lovecraft.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
So I kind of agree that Alex is what the enemy fears, but not because he has any kind of competence or is a force of truth or any of that shit.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He's what the enemy fears in the same way that a parent would fear a charismatic weirdo trying to convince their four-year-old child that fire can't hurt them.
They aren't scared that the kid will see through the bullshit of the mainstream media's propaganda about fire being dangerous.
They're worried that this negative and insane influence will lead to the harm of people they care about.
alex jones
Fire can't hurt you.
I have candy in my van.
jordan holmes
Let's go.
dan friesen
As for the Lovecraft reference, of course Alex goes with that one.
He's such a 101 dude, so of course he's going to throw out something from Call of Cthulhu.
So this thing that he's misusing and misciting is part of a much puzzled over passage from the Necronomicon that is referenced in the story that goes like this.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Quote, that is not dead, which can eternal lie.
And with strange eons, even death may die.
One of the chapters in that story, The Call of Cthulhu, is the tale of Inspector LaGros, where you hear about a cop who discovered a group of cultists performing a ceremony and chanting Feng Lui Ming Nigoth Cthulhu Rillier Minga Fagen.
jordan holmes
Beautiful language.
dan friesen
It's meant to be unpronounceable by human tongue.
jordan holmes
Well, naturally.
dan friesen
This phrase loosely translates to, quote, in his house in Rillier, Dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.
One of the cultists who LaGrosse interrogates, old Castro, he mentions that the passage from the Necronomicon helps give some context to their chant, so the reader can piece together that they worship a dormant god who's in this place waiting and dreaming, and this god will never die.
It has a lifespan longer than death itself.
ali alexander
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Anyway, the point here is that this phrase has nothing to do with what Alex is talking about.
jordan holmes
No, that's not about death dying really at all, is it?
dan friesen
I know that he thinks that he's really cool and that most of his points of reference are various sci-fi things he barely remembers, but this is a little bit silly.
For one thing, Alex should not compare himself to Cthulhu.
Cthulhu did not want to follow the Constitution and protect the Second Amendment.
It's really clear in the text what Cthulhu was interested in.
ali alexander
What's that?
dan friesen
Quote: Those first men formed the cult around small idols, which the great ones showed them.
Idols brought in dim areas from dark stars.
That cult would never die until the stars came right again, and the secret priests would take great Cthulhu from his tomb to revive his subjects and resume his rule of earth.
The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would become like the great old ones, free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside, and all men shouting and killing and reveling in joy.
Oh, so Alex is a lot like then the liberated old ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all of earth would flame with Holocaust of ecstasy and freedom.
Alex and Lovecraft have nothing in common except that they were both racists.
The difference between them is that Lovecraft got less racist as his career progressed.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That is true.
dan friesen
Anyway, I just don't like it when Alex references.
jordan holmes
Don't walk into Lovecraft.
unidentified
No, come on.
jordan holmes
Alex shouldn't be in Lovecraft.
dan friesen
I understand.
jordan holmes
It's not for him.
dan friesen
That, like, death may die is a kind of cool saying, but in context, it makes no sense for what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, it was a poetic way of saying he's fucking old and we're going to die before he does.
It's very simple.
dan friesen
Well, and that would, uh, that is not dead, which may eternal lie is basically saying that he's just gone dormant.
Yeah.
He's not dead.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He's been sleeping for centuries under in Relief.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why?
unidentified
Hmm?
jordan holmes
I mean, why?
dan friesen
Because the stars weren't right for him to come back and reign in terror on Earth.
jordan holmes
I never like the arbitrary rules that are given to the old ones or the devil or all of these things.
Man, if you want to create Ultimate Evil, buddy, that's fiction.
Fair.
dan friesen
So that's fine.
Alex making up arbitrary rules for the devil in the real world is a little bit worse.
jordan holmes
It's a little bit silly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So anyway, Alex was in D.C. over the period of time when the storming of the Capitol happened.
And we're getting a new piece of reporting here.
jordan holmes
DCATER Antifa caused all of our troubles forever.
dan friesen
According to Alex, yes.
But also, according to Alex, he almost got swept up.
alex jones
They planned to SWAT team me in D.C. and blame me for what happened, but that didn't go the way they wanted because the police refused to do it.
We confirmed that.
Hell, I saw it happen.
And I'll be honest, I was so exhausted and had just eaten a big meal on Thursday afternoon and under stress, drank a half bottle of vodka.
unidentified
So what?
alex jones
I didn't even care when 100 police cars came for me.
I mean, I haven't even told you this whole story yet, ladies and gentlemen, but I will tell you all of it.
dan friesen
I haven't figured out the beats on this one.
jordan holmes
I was going to say.
Yeah.
I've got to workshop it at a couple of open mics before I can really start using this one in shows.
dan friesen
Yeah, I drank half a bottle of vodka and I had a big meal.
So I was like, I don't even give a shit that there's 100 police cars coming to SWAT team members.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
I think maybe the reason they were going to take me out and blame me for storming the Capitol, but then the police wouldn't go along with, go fuck yourself.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with the police didn't arrest you because you were right out at the tip of the spear yelling, run away, run away.
We can't do this.
dan friesen
This is bad.
So we get this kind of speech from Alex pretty regularly.
It's that speech where he's like, ha ha, now I see everything.
Sure.
Now all has become clear to me.
alex jones
But I now see the entire picture more than ever.
I mean, every damn piece of the puzzle.
I can zoom in to almost a subatomic level.
I can see the matrix.
And I know what their next moves are.
I know how to stop them.
I know what's unfolding.
And I understand how I underestimated Q. Q is 100% globalist intelligence, 100% what's left of the U.S. government.
And it hates Trump and hates America.
And it's planning a giant violent uprising to bring down the country.
That doesn't mean you're bad if you were part of it or use the movement to educate people.
You're not Q. That's why I made you pledge allegiance to it so it can round you up.
They're planning truck bombs, mass shootings, bombings of capitals all over.
I told you that Sunday from D.C. police and the FBI.
dan friesen
So this is, again, how he's preemptively constructing this narrative just in case there's bombings and stuff that are done by Trump supporters.
You know, at least Alex is on the surface telling his audience not to be violent.
Right.
And there's some, I mean, I guess it's better than the alternative in some ways, but it's too little, too late, and it's meaningless.
alex jones
They stole the election.
They're discredited.
They're a fraud.
So they need violence.
Don't be part of it.
It's a lie.
It's a setup.
And we now know the lie.
We now know the setup.
We know every angle of it.
And by the grace of God, we're still on air for this moment.
Dug in hard when everybody else is being shut down because we've already been persecuted first.
We knew the mission.
And it's all the Holy Spirit, the divine transmission I am receiving.
And I just opened myself up to receive the transmission and give it as clearly as I can to you.
It's just not me.
I'm telling you, I'm going to give you the transmission straight ahead.
Stay with us.
dan friesen
So, I mean, this show isn't Alex.
It's God speaking through him, which is fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not good.
dan friesen
Also, it's not a surprise to hear Alex insisting that people shouldn't be violent.
And the reason for that is pretty obvious.
Alex knows that there's a large enough population of people who are completely fried and disconnected from reality who are going to be disillusioned by the non-fulfillment of all their promised fantasies that they might turn to violence.
He's obviously not responsible for all of it, but Alex's rhetoric has absolutely been a contributing factor to getting us to the dangerous situation we're now in.
And he knows that.
When your allies storm the capital and you make your money encouraging people to do things like storm capitals, but you don't want them to actually do it, you have a few immediate priorities.
The first is to come up with a framework to allow your audience to pretend that the actual storming doesn't involve you or anyone like you.
This is achieved by blaming Antifa.
In this case, there's the unfortunate aspect of the story where a bunch of the people who stormed the Capitol are public figures and have been very clear that they were doing it for Trump.
There's also a bunch of people involved who don't match your characterization of Antifa at all.
So to get around that objection, Alex has thrown Q under the bus, which is probably going to be persuasive to some portion of his audience.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
The next most important thing you have to do is what you're seeing right now.
If you're Alex, you know damn well that this is not going to be a one-off event.
Alex has been friends with Stuart Rhodes for years now.
He knows the kind of insurrectionist threats that dude makes, and he's supposed to be the public face for the Oathkeepers.
Imagine who's underneath that.
jordan holmes
Oh, I think we should kill everybody.
And as your subordinate, I would like to follow up with, you're next.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, Stuart Rhodes is the PR guy, and he's talking about like rounding people up.
Shit.
Alex knows there's going to be more attacks, so it's super important for him to create a preemptive narrative to explain them when they eventually happen.
This is achieved by more throwing Q under the bus.
If in the next few weeks you see instances of domestic terrorism and the people who carry it out appear to be Trump supporters, now Alex can fall back on saying they aren't really Trump supporters.
They're people who are misled by the insidious globalist psyop that is QAnon, a psyop they're specifically running to make people like Alex and Trump patriots look bad.
This is all very transparent and stupid, but it's crucial for Alex if he wants to continue to be able to justify his behavior in the face of the inevitable consequences of his behavior coming to pass.
While he needs to be against the inevitable consequences to stay on air, make money and not get arrested.
Correct.
I believe that this is a very teachable moment.
In the aftermath of the storm in the Capitol, I believe that you can see a very clear distinction between people who mean what they say and people who are primarily scammers.
People who really mean it are still calling for right-wingers to show up in D.C. on January 20th.
People who really mean it are like the Q shaman insisting that he was proud of his actions on the 6th.
People who really mean it are even like Alex's boring intern, Harrison Smith, reporting that the Capitol had fallen and the Patriots were in control as the events of the 6th transpired.
Conversely, Alex is a scammer.
He has a very profitable grift that depends on tension to continue.
And in order for that tension to exist, he has to operate in some dissonant ways.
For instance, if you believe the things he says on his show, here's what'll happen if Biden gets into office.
The literal Christian devil will rule America.
Christianity will be outlawed.
Everyone will be forced to get vaccines that'll put tracking chips in them and kill them.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
Antifa goon squads will roam door to door killing conservatives as they die of the vaccines.
And Alex will be one of the few to survive long enough to kill his neighbor and feed them to his daughter.
jordan holmes
Don't forget Daleks with guns.
dan friesen
Sure, that's somewhere in the middle.
That's assumed.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If he actually believed those things in any way, he would not be opposed to insurrection immediately.
jordan holmes
If I believe those things, the only reasonable response is insurrection.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's no time to wait because this is a fight with the devil.
If this were just about policy, then sure, you can accept a Biden presidency where you try to lobby conservative Congress members to push for policies you'd like to see, but all that shit doesn't matter if you believe Alex.
If Biden gets into office, there's no policy discussions.
There will never be fair elections again in the future.
If you believe Alex, then this election itself was stolen, which has supposedly already been proven.
If you believe that and you believe the futility of any action you could possibly take once Biden gets into office, then it's a natural conclusion to decide that you need to do whatever you can before he gets into office to stop that from happening.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
This is the inherent dissonance Alex's non-violence position brings up.
He expects his audience to believe him, but if they actually do, the only conclusion they can come to is exactly the conclusion that the people who stormed the Capitol on the 6th did.
He's basically made an argument to his audience where he demands that they definitively accept that he has proven every one of the premises in his arguments.
But hey, man, I don't want to take responsibility for you finding the conclusion.
jordan holmes
Yeah, look, I can see through the matrix, and I can see that your death is imminent, and what I would like you to do is nothing.
Or you could give me money, too.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, are you still on social media?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Put out a link.
jordan holmes
Put out a link to the link.
dan friesen
Put out a link to my company.
jordan holmes
Put out a link to banned.video.
That'll do it.
dan friesen
This is how we will crush the globe and defeat Satan himself.
Yeah, you understand.
Like, this is nonsensical, this kind of behavior.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Here we go again.
Yeah.
It's a good thing nobody will face consequences for this type of behavior, though.
That's really heartening to know.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we get the narrative of the sixth just being laid out.
And I think Alex has pretty much found his final version of it.
alex jones
I mean, all this allowed on these message boards, all this prepared.
And it was meant to be a giant insane rampage, handcuffing, killing members of Congress, you know, lockdowns led by Antifa's shock force, all in unison.
But the Patriots fought back and tackled him and helped the police.
So finally they had to police stand down to let them in.
And the guy that gave the order commits suicide conveniently.
I mean, this is serious.
So this didn't work.
So now they need 2.0.
That's the Saturday and Sunday.
They're now saying we're going to attack.
It's the storm.
dan friesen
If I were Officer Liebengood's family, I would definitely sue Alex Jones for defamation.
Immediately.
He's reporting on air that their loved one ordered to stand down as part of a seditious conspiracy to storm the Capitol, which Alex can absolutely not prove and is just making up.
jordan holmes
And then either killed himself or was killed to cover it up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Whenever there's something that the police should have stopped but don't, it's important for Alex to pretend that some nefarious force ordered a stand down to allow it to happen.
jordan holmes
As opposed to them just being a Nazi too.
dan friesen
Well, yeah.
I mean, every single time there's been right-wing violence at a rally or a protest, it's because of a police stand down that Alex aggressively asserts was ordered, but then he never proves it.
And again, the argument on the other side is they seem to turn a blind eye a lot of the time when there's these hard-right extreme protests.
jordan holmes
More than I think The Guardian just had something out that everyone already knew, which is that police are meaner to the left.
dan friesen
Yeah.
In the case of the storming of the Capitol, it's additionally disgusting and offensive that Alex has decided to just pretend that a man who died by suicide was actually secretly killed, so he couldn't reveal who had ordered him to order the stand down.
As far as I can tell, Officer Liebengood isn't someone who would have been in a position to make orders that the Capitol Police would follow.
It's not like he was the chief or even in the executive department of the Capitol Police.
So I can't imagine that he would have been someone who could have unilaterally acted in the manner that Alex is claiming.
jordan holmes
It goes higher.
dan friesen
This isn't based on anything other than the fact that this man is now dead.
The fact that he's dead makes him a useful prop for Alex to use in creating this conspiracy because it creates a dead end.
We could figure out who orchestrated this whole setup, but the guy's dead now, so he can't reveal that information, which obviously would prove Alex right.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
The guy is a thing to Alex, not a person, and I find that disgusting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he should be sued.
jordan holmes
really should like that's the that's the i we're at the point now where it's like if alex does this i'm almost like sending a message immediately like hey this can't happen And unfortunately, you're the only person with grounds.
I would love to sue him on, like, the world should work like this, but apparently the law doesn't count.
dan friesen
So disgusting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So disgusting.
jordan holmes
The law won't just be like, hey, you know what?
You're right.
He's bad for humanity.
I mean, humanity has grounds to him.
dan friesen
I certainly hope that this officer's family isn't dealing with any kind of harassment from folks who believe the sort of things that Alex is disseminating, but based on the past and actions of Alex's audience, it doesn't seem too unbelievable to think that it might be happening.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex fancies himself a peaceful kind of protester guy.
He wants a peaceful revolution, kind of like Martin Luther King, right?
jordan holmes
No.
unidentified
Martin Luther King.
alex jones
Did black folks running around murdering and killing white people ever get them freed?
No, because most whites didn't know slaves.
98% didn't.
But when folks sang Christian hymns and they watched them get their heads beat in, white people, like my grandparents, their parents said, this is BS, man.
We're not bullies.
We're not doing this anymore.
We're Christians.
dan friesen
That is a fucked up sentence.
I don't understand the timeline.
I don't know what's going on.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So apparently, Alex's grandparents saw black people singing Christian Hibbs, and they decided, we're not doing that anymore.
jordan holmes
Confederate royalty.
dan friesen
What does that mean, though?
Like, we're not going to be racist anymore?
jordan holmes
No, I think they're not going.
I guess they were all the ones who had the fire hoses.
I guess.
Alex's whole family was holding fire hoses, and they were like, oh, I get it.
They're singing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, I know that Alex loves to trot out this idea that he respects Martin Luther King and his nonviolence, and that's all good and well.
It's the standard line that you hear from people on the right these days.
But I wanted to discuss how out of touch he is with his own intellectual tradition.
Most of Alex's ideas are just reheated John Birch Society talking points that have, you know, they have their underpinnings of patriot lore for the last generations.
His favorite book, the one that woke him up to the New World Order, of course, is None Dare Call a Conspiracy by Gary Allen.
Interestingly, Gary Allen didn't just write one book.
His first book is called Communist Revolution in the Streets, which is all about how the civil rights movement is actually secretly a communist front.
jordan holmes
That sounds like a better dance party, though.
dan friesen
The book was published by Western Islands, which is the John Birch Society publishing imprint, and it has a foreword written by W. Cleon Skousen, another of Alex's heroes, and the uncle of his regular InfoWars guest, Joel Skousen.
The book has a slightly different take on Martin Luther King and goes out of its way to suggest that he was a violent revolutionary who only said things about nonviolence to appear acceptable in public.
In a caption on a picture of Martin Luther King on page one of this book, Allen writes, quote, although King talks nonviolence, many of his alliances are formed with Negro leaders who advocate violence and give the movement its quality of revolution.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
This is an important idea of the anti-communists, that the entirety of the civil rights movement was a communist facade and that Martin Luther King was essentially there to trick white people into thinking it was a peaceful revolution.
From page two, quote, King closed his talk by declaring that, of course, he meant this should be done nonviolently.
Many in the crowd laughed openly.
They felt the term nonviolence was a sham and it was being used by King primarily for public relations reasons.
Sure.
Whether Alex knows it or understands it is irrelevant.
What matters is that the system that he supports and all of his intellectual influences who molded his beliefs when he was young were deeply racist people who had a particular hatred of Martin Luther King.
Not because he was violent, but because he was Christian and sang hymns.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I guess what I'm getting at is that Alex Jones is a coward.
He's not even willing to live his beliefs the way his forefathers would have.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
He knows that it looks pretty racist to be opposed to Martin Luther King these days, so he just conveniently pretends that that's not part of his big worldview.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, for someone to talk about cops standing down in the face of something and then to talk about Martin Luther King Jr. very shortly afterwards is someone who does not know anything about Martin Luther King Jr.
dan friesen
It's another little interesting element of dissonance.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's like somebody being like, hey, my dad was in the FBI, and when they murdered Fred Hampton, he was like, that was one too many bullets for me.
I'm going to choose the path of peace from here on out.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Fuck off.
dan friesen
Something that I find so fascinating is like how much Alex wants to live in the shadow of these anti-communist heroes.
And like, it's so his worldview.
All of this is.
But he refuses to take ownership of these things that he knows are like, absolutely, I can't say that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I can't, I can't be against the Civil Rights Act.
jordan holmes
You know, it's one of those things where it's like you can see how bankrupt their ideology is over time because they just abandon shit after it.
You know, like.
dan friesen
Oh, I don't know if they abandon it.
They just refuse to accept it publicly.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, well, I mean, yeah.
I mean, that like Martin Luther King Jr. is so fucking revered that the right has to now use him to try and reinstitute slavery.
But they can't like, they can't ignore it or say he's a bad guy.
They have to be like, he's such a great guy.
He would have wanted us to own you again.
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
I would bet that if you got Alex drunk enough, he would talk about how he's a commie.
unidentified
Oh, totally.
dan friesen
I'm sure.
jordan holmes
He was a copy.
dan friesen
Anyway, there's truck bombs coming.
But also, Alex says you all got to go to your capitals.
Sure.
alex jones
They're going to set off truck bombs in major cities this weekend or next week.
That's their plan.
I told you it's coming.
You already saw it.
jordan holmes
Did Stewart say that?
alex jones
They're going to stage mass shootings and they're going to put it all over the news and say you did it.
jordan holmes
Why would we do it?
We want.
alex jones
I will be out at the Capitol this weekend, but not with guns.
I knew this was all coming.
I'll be in an armored vehicle.
I'm going to be documenting who did what and what happened, but I can't be in all 50 capitals.
So go out there, pray to Jesus, have your video camera, and document every person.
jordan holmes
Oh, you don't want to do that.
dan friesen
Isn't it kind of contradictory or maybe just unwise to tell your audience, like, hey, they're going to be bombing a bunch of shit, so everybody go to your capitals.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, I'll be fine because I'm in a tank.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You guys are going to get some shrapnel.
jordan holmes
I am fairly certain.
dan friesen
He's fucked up.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
If he's saying that there's going to be like staging of mass shootings and bombings, I would say for the protection of your audience, stay home.
jordan holmes
Hey, listen.
They're going to blow everybody up.
And they're going to be killing you left and right.
And that's why you got to go with a camera.
dan friesen
That seems weird.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
Seems weird.
jordan holmes
No, it's bad.
dan friesen
Anyway, there were some.
jordan holmes
I'll just be in my tank looking like the people that I'm supposed to tell you are Antifa.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There were some people who are not Antifa, actually, who were involved on the 6th.
No, these are the people who placed bombs.
jordan holmes
No, that's not.
dan friesen
There were a couple pipe bombs.
jordan holmes
None of them Antifa.
dan friesen
No, turns out Alex does know who they are, though.
alex jones
Oh.
You can't miss these Antifa.
You can't miss.
You'll see Chinese state party people, like the guy that planted the pipe bombs they just showed.
You'll see Chinese agents.
They'll all be wearing masks.
You'll see Antifa wearing black that wear pink bandanas and signifiers.
And then guys in camo covering their faces with backpacks as well.
They are deep state mercs, Dinecorps, Halliburton.
You name it.
They're making a full move on us.
dan friesen
Alex is making all of that up.
There is nothing real about any of that.
jordan holmes
You know what is boggling my mind?
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
Is that he literally did say it.
And it is true.
They were planning on taking hostages and assassinating members of Congress.
alex jones
Yes.
jordan holmes
That was a.
Sounds like a conspiracy theory, Dan.
dan friesen
Well, it's something that is being discussed.
Certainly, there are people who have some suspicions that that was the plan.
There are indications of that.
jordan holmes
Alex is hard not to learn more and think, oh, shit, that's.
And they had members of Congress helping them.
That's not good.
Alex.
dan friesen
Alex is definitely of the mind in terms of reporting that it was supposed to be way worse.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And that might be the case.
I think there's a lot of details that are yet to be solidly understood, but some of the indications are really, really terrifying.
Yeah.
So, you know, there's some issues between Alex and Q.
I think that there's some strange stuff like.
Why didn't you do this earlier?
No, Oh, it took you years to get to the point where you realized it was actually the deep state.
jordan holmes
Hey, no.
Remember only two years ago when he said he could see through the matrix and saw their plan and knew what was happening.
dan friesen
Yeah, like he could read the conversation.
jordan holmes
On a granular scale, yeah.
dan friesen
Well, it turns out now he understands all of it, and now he sees why QAnon attacked him in the early stages.
jordan holmes
I'm just going to throw this out there, Dan.
If he said the same thing two years ago and got everything wrong, why would I then trust him now when he says that?
dan friesen
Because you've forgotten that he said all that stuff.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's wise.
I wish I could do that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
No, unfortunately not.
But Q attacked Alex early on, and here's why.
alex jones
This isn't my opinion.
We know where this is going.
We know why Q attacked me early on because Q figured out I would figure out what it was.
jordan holmes
Four years later.
alex jones
And I know U.S. intelligence was involved in it.
It was even started under orders by some campaign officials in the Trump operation.
They said, oh, let's do this so we can put out information like Jones puts out against Hillary and the rest of them, but so nobody gets sued.
But it was instantly taken away in three weeks by the group that tricked the Trump campaign people to authorize it.
dan friesen
I don't believe any of this stuff, but if it is true, that seems insanely illegal.
Yeah, that seems also the Trump was officially running QAnon at the beginning of his administration.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Why do you keep telling me how shitty your God King is at doing this?
It took three weeks to steal the greatest fucking conspiracy from the government.
That's all it took?
It took three weeks.
dan friesen
And how?
jordan holmes
What did they change the password and put two-step notification?
What?
What are we doing here?
Was it that easy?
dan friesen
And if that's the case, right, and all this happened three weeks in, it got commandeered by these nefarious people.
Wouldn't it be in the best interest of the Trump campaign to really make sure that people understood that this was something that was a malevolent force so it didn't end up becoming such a huge part of the Trump base?
jordan holmes
Or at the very least, utilizing the vast resources of the United States government to take that back.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, they could do that.
jordan holmes
They could do that.
Oh, okay.
Here's what happened.
In three weeks, they stole our access to Q.
So then about an hour later, we stole it back.
It's not hard.
We're the government.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So that's dumb.
I do love the idea, though, that they attacked because they knew I was the only person who could get to the bottom of it.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The only person.
dan friesen
Greatest detective.
jordan holmes
The only person besides everyone else.
dan friesen
God, I hate him.
So involving the six, there's some other things that are starting to come to light that are a little bit problematic for Alex's narrative, namely that there seem to be a lot of Proud Boys who are around the Capitol.
And sometimes, you know, there's some indications that even some of the Proud Boys might have been there right at the get-in-going part.
And so now Alex might have to say some bad things about the Proud Boys.
alex jones
And I'm very close to revealing information.
I just want to be 100% accurate when I do it.
I'm about 95% right now that a major Patriot group was infiltrated ahead of this event.
Their leader was arrested So that a globalist Fed could be put in charge of it.
So they could also be part of it.
I know the FBI knows it because they were in command of it.
dan friesen
So that has to be the Proud Boys.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because Enrique Tario got arrested right before he's the leader of the Proud Boys.
But what didn't Joe Biggs become the leader of the Proud Boys?
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's a Fed.
Yeah, this I like.
This is the way these gangs die.
dan friesen
Former Info Wars employee Joe Biggs.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Whenever they decide that some of them are working against them and they tear themselves apart, that's the good news here.
That's what I'm hearing.
Tear each other apart, like the wolves and idiots you are.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
The Proud Boys acted in ways that are counter to the scam narrative that I need to keep my money coming in.
So, well, I guess they actually got infiltrated.
jordan holmes
I just hate how often I said before this all happened: guys, they're gonna abandon you the moment you do something that they don't like.
Yes, they don't have any loyalty to you.
dan friesen
None.
jordan holmes
You can't trust them.
That's how these things work.
dan friesen
Yeah, and to see the ways that, like, I mean, it's hard to have too much pity for someone like the Q shaman, but to see the way that community interacted with him after the fact and tried to say, like, ah, a lot of suspicions about him.
Like, that's so indicative of that.
Like, they will just, you're done.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I did.
Alex is happy you guys told me to do.
I became the hero that you guys needed, and now you've abandoned me.
How could anyone have predicted this?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, uh, on this episode, Alex is really like acting in a lot of ways that I think are bad.
Um, because as we discussed earlier, like if you take him seriously and you believe the things he's saying, you know, he's saying that they're gonna kill you.
Yeah, they're coming to kill you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he just in your home.
He keeps banging that drum.
alex jones
They want to rape you in a death camp.
They want to inoculate you and watch you have a convulsion.
They want to kill you.
They love hurting you.
They're coming.
There's nothing you can do except face reality.
Facing reality is how we beat them.
We have cancer.
We have a satanic cancer.
Hitler was just a beta test.
You are under attack.
They're never going to stop.
They are an energy.
Look at them.
They're wraiths.
Look at Schumer.
Look at Pelosi.
They're dead humans.
They're globalist.
These are wraiths.
These are not human.
They're coming.
They need your brains.
They need your soul.
They don't have it.
They want to destroy you.
They want to bring you down.
They want to annihilate you.
They love Chinese death camps.
Apple loves it.
They all love it.
They're all turned over to evil.
They're under Satan's control.
dan friesen
I mean.
jordan holmes
And that's why you need to stay at home and write your congressperson nonviolence and send letters.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And just be aware.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's why you need to go put up Infowars bumper stickers and buy colloidal iodine.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Go fuck yourself, man.
jordan holmes
So Alex is saying, here's what you need.
When they come to your home, knock on your door.
dan friesen
Because they need your brains to kill you.
jordan holmes
Well, they need your brain.
I knew you guys were coming and they're like, no, how?
And then they leave.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yep.
You flash your Infowars bumper sticker and it's like garlic to a Dracula.
Yeah.
So Alex has a real interesting relationship with the events of the sixth and the storming.
And I've noticed a little thing that he's starting to talk about more or starting to bring up.
And I think that one of his primary concerns is that they planned it poorly.
alex jones
And we just keep putting up with it and putting up with it.
You're like, well, then let's get violent.
They are controlling the dumbest violent elements to make sure that it's all coordinated wrong.
You don't see Q saying go to Chucky Schumer's house or go to Obama's house or where they're at.
Oh, no, no, no.
No, it's attacked the Capitol right on the right day.
dan friesen
That's kind of fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, he's probably not wrong, though.
But like, if you planned it better and you succeed and you fuck everything up, then Trump takes power, says that it's all actually Antifa, gets the military on his side, starts fucking everybody up who isn't a proud boy or whatever.
But instead, they did it poorly, so here we are.
dan friesen
Maybe.
I mean, it's hard to play what-if game.
Right, right, right.
But it shouldn't be that Alex is like, wow, man, they planned that shit poorly.
He's supposed to be opposed to all of this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
At least that's what he's trying to present.
As much as they got tricked, QAnon and Antifa did the storm.
He's supposed to be against it as a whole.
He just wanted to go talk on the other side of the building where he had a permit.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
If they had won, he's 100% for it.
dan friesen
I mean, we know that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But those little indications, those little moments where he's like, it's poorly planned and they didn't go to soft targets.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Jesus.
dan friesen
Now, you might think.
Let me ask you a question.
jordan holmes
Sure, Dean.
dan friesen
If Alex Jones sees a guy who's no, wait, oh, sorry.
jordan holmes
You didn't finish it.
dan friesen
He sees a guy who's got like a really hot wife.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Punches him.
I'm sorry.
Never mind.
dan friesen
Do you think that he's jealous of that guy?
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Will he say so?
No.
Well, actually, he will by going on a long-winded rant about how he's not.
alex jones
See, I can see some dude with this incredibly gorgeous wife, and I'm just like admiring a horse or something.
And I'm not saying a man could like a horse to him.
I put the woman and I'm just like, that's an incredible thing.
dan friesen
Wow.
alex jones
I'm just glad you're having sex with that and having kids.
This makes me feel good for humanity.
I look at some, you know, but the average man I've learned just is envious of everything.
dan friesen
That's weird.
jordan holmes
That is a weird thing to say.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's a weird thing to say.
dan friesen
I see somebody with a hot spouse and I'm like, I'm so glad you get to fuck that.
jordan holmes
In my head, I was waiting for him to say something about miscegenation.
Like, that's the level of fucked up I'm operating at.
dan friesen
Oh, that person's attractive.
You get to fuck them and have kids.
unidentified
Jesus.
jordan holmes
I look at that like a horse.
dan friesen
This is not just a...
unidentified
A horse.
dan friesen
This is not just a very weird way for me to still experience jealousy.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Jesus.
dan friesen
Anyway.
Alex has a guest on.
And this is interesting because this person has basically been shouting QAnon stuff into the wind for weeks.
But Alex pretends that's not the case.
alex jones
Patrick Byrne is a really smart fella.
jordan holmes
Is he?
alex jones
He's written an article we'll put on screen and tell you about where there's a peaceful way out of this violent stalemate we're in.
dan friesen
So yeah, Patrick Byrne is the former CEO of Overstock who's been yelling a bunch of QAnon nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, didn't we hear him say QAnon nonsense on the 6th?
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know if it was on the 6th, but yeah, he's or the rally before that.
jordan holmes
The one right before that.
dan friesen
The episode where we covered the rallies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So he is wants, Patrick wants to tell you that if you're violent, you're just helping Nancy Pelosi.
patrick m byrne
If our side goes out there and goes violent, what you are doing is, A, you're losing middle America.
They will not support you.
And, you know, 20% of America will support.
And then the other thing is you're giving Nancy Pelosi all she needs to basically she wants to have a law passed that makes it illegal to be Republican.
And they're going to do that if you go out and get violent.
alex jones
Oh, yeah, this is real persecution.
dan friesen
They keep talking, like, they've talked a bunch on InfoWars about outlawing the Democratic Party.
What are you doing?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
We need to, literally, word for word, we need to get rid of the Democratic Party, and then the Republican Party can split into two parties, one the far-right party, and one the right party.
dan friesen
That's what Alex said.
They said that.
A bunch.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Look, the important thing, though, is that you don't get violent.
alex jones
Well, it's fun about when we come back because that's true.
That's one way to do this.
And if Patriots did that, we would defeat Pelosi.
We would defeat the CFR and Haas.
If we're really going to do war, we show what real war is.
Like, burn everything in your path, kill everything, which I'm not calling for, not go take selfies in the Capitol and act like a jackass.
We don't want to go violent war.
Stay there.
Patrick Byrne is our guest.
dan friesen
We don't want to do it, but if you raise everything, burn down everything, kill everybody, we would defeat the globalists.
jordan holmes
I am blinded by the idea that you could think the guy saying you should toss the Geneva conventions right back up your ass and burn everything to the ground along the way is the good guy.
That confuses me, Dan.
dan friesen
Well, it's because, you know, he's good.
jordan holmes
The Democrats are evil and they're run by Satan.
And what you need to do is not take the moral high ground.
No, burn everything to the fucking ground.
dan friesen
Well, but to be fair, he's not saying that he wants to do that, just that it would work.
jordan holmes
Also, again, it would work.
dan friesen
Again, he would defeat the globalists Pelosi if these Patriots did a Sherman's march and burned down everything, killed everyone around them.
jordan holmes
Right.
But it's Antifa who did all the violence.
Blah, And the right-wingers who weren't there, but the ones who may have been there weren't.
dan friesen
And if they weren't proud boys who had been co-opted by a fan who might be Joe Biggs.
jordan holmes
You guys got to work overtime to say we didn't do exactly what we said and wanted to do.
dan friesen
It's a little silly.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So speaking of silly things.
jordan holmes
A lot of people believe it.
dan friesen
Speaking of silly things, Patrick Byrne, he's got a really simple suggestion for what needs to happen.
jordan holmes
StartOverstock2.com.
dan friesen
Well, he's going to overstock ballots.
jordan holmes
Okay, here's what we're going to do.
dan friesen
It doesn't quite work.
jordan holmes
We're going to steal it.
dan friesen
These guys, one of the things they always have is like a solution to the problem that they see.
Like, in this case, they think the election was stolen.
So they have a solution that's really, really simple.
But man, it is not simple.
It's insanely complicated and would be outrageous to actually do.
patrick m byrne
But they're like, this is all we want.
dan friesen
Sure.
It's so simple.
patrick m byrne
Trump could today, President Trump could order those six counties be recount on live stream TV by the National Guard.
We see what happens.
If there is no aberration, no irregularities, he gets on his helicopter, no must, no fuss.
He told me that.
If, on the other hand, there's big irregularities, then he should use his executive powers to say, you know what?
This whole election, pursuant to that executive order I told you about, if they show what I think that those may show is 500,000 to 800,000 irregular votes in those different counties, he then just says, look, we're going to scrub this.
It's obviously so compromised.
This election is an egg we cannot unscramble.
I'm going to have the National Guard rerun an election nationally 30 days, 45 days.
They're going to run it, paper ballots only, no machines.
If you want to vote absentee, somebody comes to your door, gives you the ballot, you fill it out.
So everything, it'll be the most drumtite, secure, no-nonsense election America's ever had.
And you know what?
I wouldn't be surprised if the guy won 120 million votes.
You know, if they did that.
So that's what he should do.
But before taking that big step, he should just send the National Guard in to recount the ballots in those six states.
dan friesen
Is this so much to ask?
jordan holmes
I will say this to you honestly.
I think the only thing that could get over 90% of Americans to try and overthrow the government is any party saying, let's have another election right now.
dan friesen
I think everyone is a little burned out.
jordan holmes
Everyone would be like, I'm fucking done.
I'm fucking done.
Capitol buildings don't care.
Governor's mansions don't care.
Post offices don't care.
dan friesen
Not doing another election.
jordan holmes
None of it.
None of it.
That will make me want to burn everything to the ground.
dan friesen
I like when people like Patrick Byrne try to play this game because what they're doing is essentially offering this false idea of a simple solution.
It's like, why wouldn't you accept this really simple solution?
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
If you just do this, then all of our complaints would go away.
That's obviously not true.
steve pieczenik
No.
dan friesen
And it's a setup.
It's a trap.
Totally.
Imagine a scenario wherein the world or the United States is like, yes, okay, we will do this National Guard hand count of these ballots.
What would end up happening is then that would be used as an opportunity to find a new problem that they can use to complain and then try and get this national election with the National Guard or whatever.
It's all just a fucking stupid game trying to, it's a fishing adventure that they're trying to go on.
unidentified
Find something to complain about.
jordan holmes
It almost makes me long for the days when they would have to actually move the goalposts instead of being able to see that they've set up goalposts exactly 20 yards apart for infinity.
And every time you reach one, they're like, nah, nah, this goalpost is fake.
We were going for that one over there.
And you're like, no, there's an infinity number of goalposts.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's annoying.
Yeah.
So on the 12th, Trump was speaking in Alamo, Texas, which again is not the Alamo.
jordan holmes
Which was totally on purpose.
He chose Alamo the City, 100% on purpose.
Just because nobody knew that he was coming doesn't mean that he didn't choose Alamo the City 100% on purpose.
dan friesen
And Alex knows that it's the city, not the Alamo building.
jordan holmes
You would hope.
dan friesen
And he has also said that people are gathering at the Alamo.
So there is some confusion.
jordan holmes
You would think.
dan friesen
And I think that Patrick, I'm not sure if he knows if it's the Alamo or Alamo, Texas.
jordan holmes
I hate these people.
alex jones
He's in Alamo, Texas.
He's about to give a speech in an hour.
patrick m byrne
Well, that may be symbolic that he's in Alamo.
You know, you can't.
jordan holmes
It may.
alex jones
That is symbolic, isn't it?
jordan holmes
It would be.
patrick m byrne
He should take, and you're down there by not far from there, as I recall.
alex jones
Yeah, my ancestor was there.
patrick m byrne
Oh, was he?
Who was your ancestor?
alex jones
Just look it up.
It doesn't really matter.
Oh, well.
I don't live off the past laurels.
It's just interesting.
unidentified
Bullshit.
patrick m byrne
David Crockett.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
No, not David Crockett.
unidentified
Not David Crockett.
jordan holmes
Not David Crockett.
Fuck no, not David Crockett.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Let's play 20 Questions with somebody who are at the Alamo.
jordan holmes
More racist.
dan friesen
I don't go off the past laurels.
Later on, he's going to say that both sides of his family were on the May Flock.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Why not?
dan friesen
He talks about all these fucking stuff.
jordan holmes
Fuck off.
Why not?
dan friesen
I love it.
I also think he's trying to imply that it's Colonel Travis, but I don't think he's related to Colonel Travis at all.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Anyway, we get a revelation about.
jordan holmes
Spiritually, they're both drunks.
dan friesen
That's true.
Yeah.
unidentified
And fumble bums.
dan friesen
Stumble bums.
That's what I was trying to say.
jordan holmes
I prefer fumble bums.
dan friesen
So here's an interesting piece of trivia about what's going on in Patrick Burns' life right now.
patrick m byrne
I have COVID now, by the way.
Just to let you know, that's why I'm coughing.
But you can't get, we're practicing certainly.
alex jones
You look really healthy.
A PCR test told you that?
patrick m byrne
Yeah.
Yes, Jim.
alex jones
You know, 96% of those are false.
patrick m byrne
It's like a mild.
No, this is real.
I have a mild flu.
I feel it.
alex jones
Well, no, people get colds.
People get flus, but they're calling basically the PCR test.
If you have any viral background, says that you have COVID.
patrick m byrne
Oh, really?
dan friesen
So Alex is trying to convince people that he doesn't have COVID.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
Did Patrick not realize you weren't supposed to actually have COVID ever if you were near Alex's show?
Yeah, I would imagine that 40% of InfoWarriors have probably had it.
dan friesen
I think people who work at it.
He thinks he had it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think people who work at InfoWars have almost, yeah.
dan friesen
I bet the number is high.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Allie Alexander is the head of Stop the Steel.
He was involved in the rallies on the 6th to some capacity.
He has done some live streams where he talked about how he planned the events to put pressure on the people voting about the Electoral College along with who is it?
Paul Gosar, Mo Brooks, and Andy Briggs, Andy Biggs, three members of Congress.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's good to know.
dan friesen
And in the aftermath of everything, he has been kicked off all social media.
And there have been rumors flying around about him being in hiding.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And some of that might be a little bit of a crowdfunding operation.
unidentified
Well, but they grifter's got a grift, buddy.
dan friesen
They're trying to play this really interesting line about whether or not he's in hiding.
Sure.
Because they don't want him to be in hiding because that makes him look like a weakling.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But they also want him to be in hiding because that makes everything really scary.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
It's tough.
unidentified
Yeah.
ali alexander
I'm not in hiding, but for my own protection, because of the tens of thousands of people that the media has inspired to issue me death threats and fatwas and call for my public execution.
I am in an undisclosed location.
I've had to travel by unconventional means.
dan friesen
You're taking a dirigible horse?
jordan holmes
What are we doing here?
That would be fun.
I would be happier if Ali Alexander did try and overthrow the government, but via dirigible.
That would be great.
dan friesen
And when I land, I can only take a unicycle.
jordan holmes
I have been banned from normal forms of transportation.
dan friesen
The globalists will let me get around, but I have to look silly doing it.
jordan holmes
I don't know why.
dan friesen
It's just part of their rules.
jordan holmes
I have to put one leg on a skateboard at all times.
It's insane.
dan friesen
It's yeah.
I'm not in hiding, but I'm also in an undisclosed location and I have to travel via unconventional means.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Fuck this, dude.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Anyway, Allie has his own sort of narrative about what happened at the Capitol, and it's pretty similar to Alex, I guess.
ali alexander
I believe that forces within our government coordinated with the paramilitary arm of the Democrat Party to have disgusting events inside the U.S. Capitol.
And not everybody was discussing who entered the U.S. Capitol.
I want to be very clear, okay?
alex jones
No, the vast majority stayed within the velvet ropes.
ali alexander
And this is what I like to tell people: if the mob was coming to perform an insurrection, then they would have breached the U.S. House floor.
What we know is that only Jake, that weird Q shaman, and who, by the way, a lot of people don't know this.
Here's an exclusive.
Jake actually protested, counter-protested the last Stop the Steel rally in Arizona.
So Jake actually has attacked Stop the Steel in Arizona.
dan friesen
He's probably Antifa.
jordan holmes
He's probably Antifa.
dan friesen
I looked into this, and apparently what happened is that the Q shaman showed up at Ali Alexander's event, the Stop the Steel event, and wanted to give a speech.
jordan holmes
And he wouldn't let him.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
They got into a fight.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
dan friesen
It wasn't so much counter-protesting.
It was that, yeah, he did get a speaker slot.
He was not happy about it.
jordan holmes
I propose a new solution to our problems.
All right.
Here's my pitch.
dan friesen
I'm listening.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All of these grifter types are scrambling to scapegoat, which I like how it's 2020 or 2021.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Blackjack.
dan friesen
Maybe it is going to start.
jordan holmes
I don't think it's too late now.
It's already happened.
No.
Okay.
They're scapegoating people.
All right.
Got to do it.
Even though they love them and they support everything that they did.
I propose the Thunderdome.
All right.
Alex Jones has to go up against the Q shaman.
Thunderdome.
Two men enter, one man leave.
dan friesen
Are you talking about the place where they now have WWE Raw?
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
The Thunderdome.
jordan holmes
Two people enter.
One leaves.
Until we have a single ideological group.
dan friesen
I mean, I think that might pull some better ratings than Alex's normal show.
jordan holmes
That would be great.
I'd watch that.
dan friesen
The paramilitary wing of the Democratic Party.
It's just.
jordan holmes
Say that one more time.
dan friesen
That's just a cue.
I'm sorry.
That's just Antifa.
That's all he's saying.
Anyway, fuck Ali Alexander.
He doesn't have anything interesting to say.
It's a really short interview because Alex has another guest.
This guy's uncle wrote the foreword for a very racist book written by Gary Allen about the civil rights movement.
Joel Skousen is back.
He has some interesting questions to ask about, hey, we're supposed to admire General Flynn.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And, you know, Alex did that interview with Flynn.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And in that interview, General Flynn said 100% Trump is still going to be president after January 20th.
unidentified
Correct.
dan friesen
And Skousen's, like, how could he be so stupid?
How could he believe something?
jordan holmes
How could he?
joel skousen
But I'm convinced that there's somebody else who perhaps General Flynn recognizes from former days in the military, as well as General McInerie, who's talking to them and telling them that I'm a patriot.
You know, there's a whole group in the White House or in the intelligence and military services that are going to defend Donald Trump and put him back in the White House.
There's no other explanation for why General Flynn, in the face of all that we know about the deep state, would make a statement that there's 100% chance that Donald Trump's going to win this.
And he's not going to be able to do that.
dan friesen
I've got another explanation.
joel skousen
Oh, people know that already.
It's easy to do.
alex jones
I was telling you last Thursday when Trump made that speech, Flynn broke with him.
And I'm going to leave it at that, but Flynn is not buying that Kool-Aid now.
joel skousen
Yeah, I wish you'd ask him if you have contact with who was the contact?
Who told him?
Because it had to be a significant thing.
alex jones
How about I just give you out of the show his number?
joel skousen
Yeah, I'd appreciate that.
dan friesen
That seems rude.
jordan holmes
I would appreciate that as well.
That seems rude.
I am going to sleep better tonight knowing that General Flynn is being bothered by the nephew of W. Cleon Skousen.
dan friesen
Yeah, Joel Scows.
jordan holmes
And ignoring his texts.
He will make me feel very good.
dan friesen
It's nice to know that General Flynn is soon going to have to get a new phone number because Skousen won't stop bothering him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
That's what I wanted.
That's what I want out of this whole thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Epstein, Jeffrey?
jordan holmes
Sure.
Let's bring him back.
Does everybody realize that they just tried to storm the fucking Capitol?
dan friesen
He's dead, right?
jordan holmes
I guess.
I guess.
joel skousen
That's what drives the deep state, the promise that we will make all of your sins go away.
You won't be prosecuted unless you do something stupid that we can't cover up, like Jeffrey Epstein.
But even then, they may have exited him.
There was this eyewitness sighting at the New Mexico Ranch that's Jeffrey Epstein.
You know, you can't put anything past these deep state people.
dan friesen
So I guess they both are suspicious that Epstein's still alive, which is great.
unidentified
Whatever.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Anyway.
So there was a video that was going around on Twitter.
I believe that this is what Alex is talking about.
Someone brought it to my attention, a couple people, actually.
And it was a video of Alex yelling about like, fuck Trump.
You know, all of this.
jordan holmes
I didn't see it.
dan friesen
It was supposedly like after all of this, like Trump conceding and being weak, Alex has turned on him.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And it was the video is from when Alex got mad at Trump for bombing Syria.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
Shoving Isis up his dirty asshole.
dan friesen
It was that same day.
But it was the video of him when he didn't realize the feeds were live.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he was yelling like, fuck this shit.
I'm not in a fucking cult.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like all this.
And people like lied about it, saying it was implying that it was current.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex thinks it might be a deep fake.
alex jones
In the interest of truth, because I'm trying to scan my mind.
I want to get into Trump and the world and martial law and all the rest of it.
I'm a sinner.
I've been through a lot of stress.
In 27 years on air, probably 10 times I flipped out late at night when I was drinking or I was angry.
One night my dog died.
It had an aneurysm spraying out of his face.
I came up there after it died.
I blew up on air and cussed and yelled.
But there's nothing modern.
I haven't done that in a long time.
So that's out there.
I repent.
Nobody's perfect except Jesus Christ.
But no, I've not done anything in a long time like that.
So that sounds like a deep fake or edits of something I've done together that are exaggerated.
dan friesen
Yeah, it might be a deep fake.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
That sounds right.
It's probably a deep fake.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Video of me screaming obscenity about Trump.
jordan holmes
It's that deep fake.
Is that the only difference between the right wing and like other people?
Is just like other people who are like, hey, I suppose I could be wrong about something.
dan friesen
Nah, deep fake.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the right is just like, I'm going to have to go with I'm still right no matter what.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So Skousen, his interview is not really all that interesting.
Either he's sort of going on the same tracks that we've already seen, not really bringing a whole lot more to the conversation outside of wanting Flynn's number and revealing that Epstein's probably alive.
Still, so Alex has something to say about presidencies.
This might be the last one.
alex jones
Everybody's getting ready for the president.
He's not perfect, but he's our president.
He's an American.
Probably the last president you'll see before the return of Christ.
Because God gives you an example of what to do right before the fall.
Like, this is what you could have had.
dan friesen
So Alex is doing the fourth hour now because Trump's going to give his speech in Alamo.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And Alex is constantly going on and on about how, like, no one else is broadcasting this speech.
Jesus.
It's very annoying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But after the speech, he gets into like this really fucked up headspace where he's just talking about how I've lived in the fire.
Except it's not the fire.
All right.
It's the bacon grease.
Okay.
alex jones
People are like, Jones, are you scared?
The opposite.
I've been in the bacon grease for a long time.
unidentified
I've been lowered down at it my whole life.
jordan holmes
Super old man.
alex jones
I've been waiting for this moment all my life.
Because I believe when I warn you, when you get lowered down into that grease and your toes hit that boiling pain, and then it's up to your shins and up to your legs and up to your waist and up to your chest and up to your neck that you're going to fight back.
I'm betting on you.
I've lived in the grease for decades, psychically.
dan friesen
I would say physically.
unidentified
That's a my bed is made of grease.
jordan holmes
That's a weird mental image.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't even see melted grease either.
I see the like solid stuff if you leave it out for a day and it's sitting there.
alex jones
It's congenital.
jordan holmes
He's just sitting in there, just like, ooh, this is actually kind of comfortable.
dan friesen
It's basically like a sensory deprivation test.
jordan holmes
It's like a jello bath.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Joe Rogan got me on this.
It's a sensory deprivation grease.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I love the grease.
I hate going to a spa once every two weeks.
dan friesen
So Alex fakes crying also at the end of this episode, which is a little bit fun.
alex jones
Nothing will fulfill you like the Holy Ghost.
The Holy Ghost will fulfill you so much, you can't even believe it.
But God demands you take action against evil, which seems scary, which I don't know why.
I've been in this so long.
Fighting evil is a pleasure.
It is an enjoyment.
It is the question is: why do I do this more?
Why was I not doing it before?
There's actually a great feeling of guilt and patheticness in the face of God.
Once you join God, Satan is a rotting, dead carcass in the corner and with maggots covering it, and you're like looking at celestial galaxies and unending power, and you're like, how did this ever, how is this?
And then you watch civilization falling and your people falling.
unidentified
That's the sick joke.
alex jones
To replace Trump.
joel skousen
Sure.
alex jones
With Bike.
To replace your mother with Satan.
To replace everything that's strong and everything that's good with a lie.
Why would you do that?
dan friesen
All right, Alex, I'm going to need you to do this again from the top.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're going to need to do another take thread.
We're going to need to do another take on this one, Alex.
Great.
Trump with Biden.
dan friesen
Great, great.
Your mother with Satan.
jordan holmes
What are we having for dinner tonight?
dan friesen
I want to wait.
I can't wait for the inauguration because I want to see if Alex thinks that Joe Biden's plumping up.
10 bags of blood.
Got 10 bags of blood in him.
He's plumping.
jordan holmes
He's plumping.
I do love the idea that you can reach enlightenment.
You think of the great Buddhas and how they managed to pierce the veil and detach themselves by seeing the ultimate meaninglessness of our space in the universe.
But if instead of being like, oh, I've reached enlightenment, they were just like, I hate Biden.
dan friesen
That would be something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would be interesting.
dan friesen
So now we get to the 13th.
And Alex is in a different headspace.
He feels doomed a little bit.
Turns out, you ever see The Children of Men, that movie?
jordan holmes
I have.
A lot of people talking about it right now.
dan friesen
I think Alex might have seen it.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Can we put the headline up for the live show today, please?
From Infowars.com.
Every day we have a posting with a live audio video feed of it.
And it says right there, we are now in the new world order.
Tune into this emergency broadcast if you want to live.
Because when you look at people and when you see children that are two or three years old today, they're growing up in a dystopia.
And it's going to accelerate very, very quickly.
And that's the last generation that'll even be able to have children.
And most of them won't be able to.
And most of the children you see today will be dead by the time they're 20 years old of cancers and other things implanted in them.
And you'll just, you'll be told, oh, something else caused it, but it's the vaccines.
You're all being killed.
We're all dying.
So I want all the FBI agents to know.
I want all the bureaucrats to know.
I want liberals to know, conservatives to know.
Everybody thinks you're part of the system.
You're not part of the system.
I can tell you the people running this are not in control.
jordan holmes
Then are they running it?
alex jones
Now they've been given advanced knowledge.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Interdimensionally.
That's how they get Satanism.
Shit.
But it's aliens.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's the aliens.
It's the devil.
It's the devil alien.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
So.
Interdimension.
Yep.
dan friesen
Interdimensional demon devils trying to give you vaccines in order to kill you, but please don't storm the Capitol.
jordan holmes
I am almost 100% positive.
dan friesen
Whatever you do, just spread links to my content.
jordan holmes
I'm just so sure that there's a promise that you at least won't be fucked over by the devil in hell until after you die.
dan friesen
Nah, he's poking you here.
jordan holmes
I just don't think.
dan friesen
The pitchfork is actually three vaccines.
unidentified
Also, I just, oh man.
dan friesen
Pitchfork's four prongs, right?
jordan holmes
So, so silly whenever they take a stupid religion and they're like, no, no, let's add some science to it now that we know about different dimensions.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
God was actually in a higher plane, man, which lowers everything down from like a spiritual thing to just another fucking.
dan friesen
I think it takes a lot of value away from that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like, oh, you know, I understand that lightning is static electricity as the, you know, and it's like, oh, well, I guess that's not as magical as if Zeus was throwing it at me.
Now I know God's just some asshole in a different dimension.
Fuck that guy.
Yeah, and live in my dimension if you want to tell me what to do.
dan friesen
And it does introduce the, you know, sort of the point that like once you realize that lightning isn't thrown by Zeus, it is this electrical thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You can then create lightning.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you can understand it.
Yeah.
And, you know, it kind of takes away the point of religion if you bring all this science stuff to it because then it's within the realm of human comprehension.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then it's not really religion at all.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You see through a glass darkly.
Oh shit, you guys found out about science?
I'm fucked.
dan friesen
So anyway, it's the extra-dimensional devil.
jordan holmes
That is interesting.
We could, if it is extra-dimensional, then that would suggest that there is a possibility that we could eventually pierce our way through into God's dimension and finally kill and overthrow God like we've always been dreaming.
dan friesen
Or conversely, Alex does have an actual shot of destroying the devil.
That's true.
jordan holmes
He's got an outside chance.
dan friesen
It sounds silly to us, but if you actually believe this stuff, it's there.
It's a long shot.
jordan holmes
It's a long shot.
dan friesen
So anyway, the devil's behind everything.
jordan holmes
I'll give him 20 to 1 odds.
That's generous.
alex jones
We can look at all this news and all the things that are happening, all the insanity, and we can say to ourselves, well, this is man-made, but it's not.
We have a fallen nature, but we are being manipulated.
And the Bible tells us that interdimensionally, a creature that is out of the light spectrum vision that we can see.
jordan holmes
A what now?
alex jones
Fell to this planet and has a plan to overtake us, play God, and then use us and our creativity to build an escape system for it off of the planet.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
That's how advanced we are.
We are way more advanced than the species, the creature that turned against God.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
Now that's the Bible, folks.
Secret societies and the churches and the masons, and all of that is to keep you from that information.
dan friesen
The churches are trying to keep this from you.
jordan holmes
I love that.
I want to end every insane things, every insane thing I say with just now.
Now, that's the Bible.
dan friesen
That's the Bible.
jordan holmes
That's the Bible.
Nailed it, guys.
Put that one in the books.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It would be really interesting if all the stories about Alex that end up getting printed in these, you know, these outlets, like they led with Alex, who believes he's fighting an extra demon.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Fuck you.
How dare you pretend that any of these people have anything other than believes nonsense before their name?
dan friesen
Alex Jones, who believes that communism is being directed by a literal demon.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Totally.
dan friesen
Kind of would take some of the sting away.
jordan holmes
It's hard to make them the big bad whenever you're like, oh, that.
dan friesen
So in the future, sick people will be forced to merge with machines.
jordan holmes
That sounds great.
dan friesen
But they'll actually be killed.
jordan holmes
But what?
dan friesen
You will have to pretend that they haven't been killed and these machines are actually them or else you'll get in trouble.
alex jones
I mean, we're off the edge of the cliff.
We're in the new world order now.
But if you don't understand that at the end of this, everybody dies and there's no more children.
And in the process of wanting to live to the social credit score, they tighten the noose down.
They tighten the vice down until you are involved in public rituals of sterilizing your children, sterilizing yourself, resisting God, resenting God, and turning over your humanity because you're so sick, you've got to merge with machines so you just believe you have a chance to still live, though you will actually die.
But there will be a law that you cannot call the synthetics that are human machine-merged cyborgs dead.
If you say that's not a person anymore, they didn't transfer over to the machine.
It's a fraud.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, honestly, that's right.
alex jones
That will be punishable by death.
jordan holmes
I don't know if I would go that far.
alex jones
I have the entire enemy blueprint.
All right?
jordan holmes
Now, that's the Bible.
alex jones
And now I've studied this so much, and now we've gone so far, and I've experienced things at different levels to where now anybody can go read what the globalists say and what they do and know what they're going to carry out.
But now, from my immersion in this, since about seven years old, I can, to use the analogy, see the code of the Matrix.
And so let me just for sure.
jordan holmes
Not an analogy.
alex jones
That's only going to get worse from here.
dan friesen
This is a lunatic.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Full stop.
jordan holmes
Yep.
The end.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Period.
dan friesen
So anyway, this lunatic here, he wants to, it seems like he wants to distance himself from Trump a little bit.
jordan holmes
Oh, I can't imagine why.
dan friesen
And this was one of the first indications of like, it didn't work out.
You know, eh, whatever.
alex jones
And so I just want to tell liberals, conservatives, all of you, look, I know what happened with Trump.
Wishful thinking happens.
So I'm going to tell you what really went down when Trump would come back.
I've thought about this.
I've prayed about this.
And I'll explain when we come back.
But just listen to me.
Listen to me.
The New World Order is here.
Tune in to this emergency broadcast if you want to live.
That's not a joke because the God of this world loves death.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Loves death.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why not?
dan friesen
So yeah, Trump was wishful thinking.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Did he just start listening to our show?
must have yeah because i did he start in the back catalog where i was like in 2017 guys trump is going to abandon you the moment so that it's expedient for him to fucking do so Yeah, this is all nonsense.
dan friesen
You're building up something that's going to eventually blow up in your face.
jordan holmes
He's not the guy you're saying he is.
He's a giant coward who's the front man for consortiums on the goddamn.
He's quote.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So apparently also, I know that I think you and I have heard Alex say that Trump is one of the greatest Christians ever.
He's very religious.
He's deeply religious.
jordan holmes
He held up that Bible one time.
dan friesen
And you see him praying with like Paula White Cain and all these types.
jordan holmes
That's right.
That's right.
Praying to money, I believe.
That's what Paula White Kane prays to, right?
dan friesen
Well, it turns out that Trump actually isn't Christian.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's not a surprise.
dan friesen
He's more of an energy guy.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
Trump thought he could go in there and defeat these people.
And he's never been a devil worshipper.
But he did whatever was popular.
But as he felt the reality of the people, he was a Christian.
And he felt the energy of God and Christ empowering him and got into that energy and that mission because Trump's an energy guy.
jordan holmes
You said he was a secret.
alex jones
He's looking at religions and names and this or that.
We've had conversations about the energy.
dan friesen
Loves energy.
jordan holmes
You said he's been a Christian since like 40 years.
alex jones
The enemy let Trump get in.
He did win by a landslide the first time and the second time.
They let him get in to energize the left and then have people reject control borders, reject law and order, reject populism, reject jobs, reject an optimistic future, and to say, no, we want an evil pedophile communist Chinese zombie.
dan friesen
So Trump is a false flag?
jordan holmes
I am tired, Dan.
Tired.
unidentified
Wait.
jordan holmes
I'm so tired.
dan friesen
I know that this is exhausting and it's so stupid, but trust me, the end of this episode is going to be so worse.
All right.
Yeah, I don't know.
I know that he's implying kind of that like Trump is a false flag, which is weird because analyze the last years of your career then, buddy boy.
Yeah.
But the way Alex is trying to sum it up here on this episode is like, hey, me a culpa, I put too much faith in the guy.
You know, hey, what do you know?
I got too optimistic.
alex jones
And I should teach and I should cover the globalists and different angles of it and philosophy.
And like I said, break the left-right paradigm.
Because the Republicans and Democrats are part of the same system.
You see that again right now.
Trump was a populist movement.
It was powerful, but I put too much hope in it.
You did as well.
dan friesen
Go fuck yourself.
jordan holmes
You don't get to do it.
Like, this is the one time that I want as much as possible, all of us to come together.
And this is something that I feel like the right should get on board with.
These guys just don't get to do this.
No, they've got no propagandists, but Alex doesn't get to go back.
dan friesen
Well, and also, it would be good for there to be a real moment of reflection for people who are serious and not total assholes who just happen to have more conservative ideas about the way a state should maybe be organized.
Take a moment to reflect on what these people have done to your party.
Now we're at a point where most right-thinking people will not even engage with conservative ideas because these people have taken over the premise of your party.
jordan holmes
All right.
So it's January 21st.
It's a good time for us to start getting to work on the new agenda.
And now we're going to talk with Mo Brooks, who just two weeks ago helped orchestrate a fucking coup about tax proposals.
dan friesen
Yeah, we're going to talk.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
We're going to talk tax proposals with a guy who's friends with Ali Alexander.
No.
No.
jordan holmes
Fuck that.
Why in God's name would I talk about any policy issue with you if I know your secret plan is overthrow the goddamn government?
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it's not fair for Alex to pretend that it's just like, yeah, we got too excited about this.
Like, no, you don't get to do that.
jordan holmes
No, it's personally mean to me.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I think that he's struggling with this too.
And I got a little bit of a feeling of Alex trying to express something that he's not willing to express in this next clip.
And granted, I might be psychoanalyzing too much, but.
alex jones
No, real Satanism is about pushing past boundaries and doing really, really destructive, hateful things and hurting people and not caring and being a predator.
jordan holmes
Which you are.
alex jones
And not in a respectful way like you'd kill a deer and then harvest it for the food.
No, no, you're killing people's dreams.
You're stealing people's destinies.
You're hurting the loving energy on this planet.
You're not good people.
You're failures.
And it's why you're all so scrawny and ugly and sick because you're losers that the satanic system crushed.
And now you've gone the thing that abused you, hoping you could get power by the thing that abused you when all it will do is continue to destroy you.
You people are seeking after power.
You will get so much power from the Holy Ghost that you will be ashamed of yourself and what you were.
And you will not even know how to deal with it because God is infinitely greater than that.
dan friesen
So I think if you pay close attention to the words that Alex is saying there, I think you can hear that as him ranting about himself.
He's saying that these satanic losers he's yelling about are so pathetic because they were crushed by a system and in response, they're buddying up to the very system that crushed them in hopes of getting power from it.
He then says God will give you unspeakable power.
Alex has been pretty clear in the past about how much suffering supporting Trump has brought into his life.
From the financial hardships to the lawsuits, he's in way more trouble than he was before he decided to take on Trump as his divine champion.
That could easily be understood as Alex being crushed by a system.
In response, he's clung on for dear life, hoping that system that had crushed him would give him some power in the end, which now is becoming painfully clear is not the case.
But there's a different, more important level to this shit that I don't think Alex even understands as he's talking.
In this very episode, it's super clear that Alex is working through some buyer's remorse on Trump and having to admit to his audience that he got too optimistic about Trump as president.
But this is not the same thing as like you or me being slightly disillusioned with some of the policy objectives that weren't achieved under Obama.
This isn't a situation where Alex just liked Trump and he wasn't as good as he hoped.
Alex routinely said that Trump was a leader anointed by God.
God had told Alex that Trump was the way to go.
For Alex to now get soft on Trump is an admission that he was either making all that shit up or he's actually soft on God.
Alex doesn't mean any of the things he says.
The constant talk about God being on his side and his enemies being controlled by the devil, they don't mean anything.
It's all just extremist talk to make the difference between his side and the other side seem impossible to ever reconcile.
I get the sense that Alex is beginning to recognize that Trump himself is a dead end.
And the price of continuing to believe that he's a God-ordained ruler, despite the fact that Biden is president, will believe that he is required to do things like storm the Capitol.
And he doesn't want to do that because then there's no money anymore.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And this is just like, I wish that people could see that more clearly.
Any audience member of Alex's that thinks that he has some kind of an actual connection to the religious ideas that he presents, like, you got to get over that.
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
Totally.
I just heard him say you're killing people's dreams, and then I was like, immediately cut to Owen Schroer trying to get a job in media in five years.
dan friesen
There's only one Infowars person that I've seen actually make the leap?
I think so.
There's a guy, Mikhail Thalen, who writes for some, I can't remember what outlet he writes for, but I've seen bylines from Mikael Thalen being put around by people who don't realize he used to work at InfoWars.
Oh, yeah.
So he might have a little bit less of the stink.
jordan holmes
Did he do the politico thing today?
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
But yeah, everyone else, dreams, crushed.
jordan holmes
Brutal.
dan friesen
There's news coming out here on the 13th and conversation starting to happen about this idea that was put up by Representative Mickey Sherrill about the possibility that there was a recon tour the day before that some members of Congress were leading.
And this is really fucked up for Alex.
So he's just going to decide it's not real.
alex jones
Oh, you can be a former U.S. attorney that's now a Congresswoman who put out a big fake article that, oh, Congressman had Ali Alexander in the Capitol.
And they were casing it out the day before.
And she saw them.
And she wants them all arrested because he was reconning it.
She knows that's all a lie.
dan friesen
So she said that Congress members, she saw some Congress members giving tours of the Capitol building to people on January 5th, the day before the storming.
This is suspicious to her because there were no official tours being done at the moment because of COVID-19.
So it seemed weird for these people to be inside the Capitol at all.
jordan holmes
It would be weird.
dan friesen
As of the time of this recording, Cheryl has joined more than 30 House members calling for an investigation into the people who were there the day prior.
And if that proceeds, we'll know a lot more.
As it stands right now, if what she's suggesting is true, things may be way more fucked up than they appear.
But I do want to call out what is a bit of misinformation that I think Alex is combining with this, and that is that there was a particular video that was floating around that shows Ali Alexander, Alex, and Nick Fuentes in what appears to be the Capitol building.
People have claimed that this video was from the day before the storming, but I've actually found that footage posted as early as November, and it's from when the three of them were in the Georgia Capitol building for that Stop the Steel event.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
You know, they're talking about like if you let the hillbillies decide, well, lose the country.
You can find corroborating videos from that day where they're all in the same uniform or same outfits.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So I think that what's going on is that video was making the rounds, and Alex is responding to that as being what Representative Cheryl was talking about.
And I don't know if that's fair.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think we're in a hard part of the situation is that after the sixth, I just you can't put anything beyond reason.
You know, like if you told me like one of the representatives had a gun pointed to AOC's face, I would be like, that might be true.
I can't rule that out anymore.
dan friesen
I understand that.
I understand that, but it's critically important to not descend into the realm of believing stuff that's too convenient and that you just want to.
jordan holmes
100%.
That's what I'm saying.
Unfortunately, now, you know, a lot of that stuff, you know, you could have just been like, okay, I don't have the bandwidth to investigate this.
There's no way that the representative held a gun directly to her face.
And now it's like, if I see that, I have to go investigate to make sure because it really could be true, which is terrifying.
But at the same time, you can't believe that right, you know, it's tough.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I think that's also more like it's the burden of the modern information space and how you can exist in it as a responsible consumer of information.
Yeah, it's tough.
It does suck, but it is.
jordan holmes
No, it's enough to drive anywhere between 30 and 45% of the population insane.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
Everybody should not be using social media, I guess.
Anyway, Nancy Pelosi had some comments about people taking a statue down a while back.
She said something to the effect of people are going to do what they're going to do.
And Alex decides to play this clip and then talk about killing her.
alex jones
But hey, are you going to stop the burning and the fires and the killing?
Well, people are going to do what people are going to do.
In fact, let's play that first.
The Tucker Carlson clip, but here's Pelosi.
People are going to do what people are going to do.
Here it is.
unidentified
Respectfully, should that be done by a commission or the city council, not a mob in the middle of the night throwing it into the harbor?
nancy pelosi
People do what they do.
I do think that from a safety standpoint, it would be a good idea to have it taken down if the community killed her.
I don't know that it has to be a commission, but it just could be a community.
alex jones
So if somebody walked up to Pelosi, God forbid it turned into a martyr, seriously, and stabbed her in the neck.
Would that just, oh, people put on a tombstone.
People do what they do.
No, lady, that's not how it works.
Stop assaulting us, trying to get us to attack you so you play the victim, you hunchback, devil-worshiping witch who will burn in hell.
God has got you in his crosshairs, not us.
Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord.
I'm going to play the Stucker Carlson Club on the Uganda hypocrisy, but first, I've got products you need amazing.
X2 back in stock, 50% off.
It's about to go up, so we're selling out of it.
dan friesen
Nailed it.
jordan holmes
Hit me.
That's like James Brown with the sting.
Hit me.
dan friesen
So Alex, whenever he says, like, vengeance is the Lord's, like, we've heard him talk multiple times about how the riddle of that is that sometimes you need to be God's vengeance.
jordan holmes
You are God's vengeance.
I mean, if you feel like God is speaking to you, sometimes.
dan friesen
That's what Alex is expressing when he says that vengeance is the Lord's.
That's not what he's saying.
That's literally what he's saying.
But the intent behind it, what that expression conveys to the initiated within the InfoWars Information space, it means someone stab, uh, someone might need to stab Nancy Pelosi.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is it is an interesting uh like flaw in the legal system is that because of the way these people speak, you can't you can't just like enter, oh, see, Alex said vengeance is mine, saith the Lord.
So that was a death threat.
You know, you have to be like, okay, listen to 300 hours.
dan friesen
No, but I honestly don't think it would be that difficult to say, like, okay, you're saying vengeance is the Lord's and the Lord has Nancy Pelosi in the crosshairs.
It's going to get stabbed in the neck or whatever.
And then multiple times, frequently, you've discussed how the idea that vengeance is the Lord's is a riddle, and that actually what it's talking about is sometimes humans have to step up and be the instruments of God's vengeance.
Would you like to have a conversation about that?
I think you could introduce that in court and it would look pretty bad.
jordan holmes
It wouldn't look good.
dan friesen
I don't know if it's legally actionable, but he's a real asshole.
Speaking of assholes, we had another guest now.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's a baby reporter.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Junior reporter.
And by junior, I mean a baby in an oversized trench coat and a silly hat.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Patrick Howley comes off.
He likes the storming of the cow.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
He hasn't gotten the memo.
patrick howley
There's a lot to be optimistic about because America First is ascendant.
I think all over the world, people are beginning to realize that our political system here in the United States is absolutely broken.
And I know that you're not a big fan of the protest.
I think some funny things happened.
For instance, somebody defecated on Chuck Schumer's desk, and that puts a smile on my face.
I like hearing that.
I like seeing that headline.
I think that's a small win for humanity when somebody does that.
dan friesen
You're not supposed to think that, though, Patrick.
You're supposed to think it's Antifa.
ali alexander
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I kind of think it's funny.
dan friesen
So Patrick is like, he doesn't get the script.
He doesn't get how we can make this profitable because he's super into it and he's like, this is a good thing.
patrick howley
You know, I'll say this.
When the Viking shaman and these people were presiding over Congress, there were no foreign wars.
Okay.
We weren't giving any of our taxpayer dollars to Pakistan for gender studies.
So I was getting calls from all over the world, including France and Italy in the populist movement.
And people were inspired by this.
So, yes, it seems to have gone disastrously.
And I wasn't there.
And, you know, it didn't seem like there was any plan or any rhyme or reason to it.
And obviously, there were agitators in the crowd.
But I think just the act of civil disobedience puts the message out there that Americans are at odds with their government.
And that's a powerful point.
alex jones
Patrick, yes, our founders dumped millions of dollars of equivalent of tea in the ocean against a tax.
I get it.
Okay, what I'm saying to you is if we're going to launch a war, it should be done differently.
And we played right in their hands.
And I don't want violence this weekend.
The globalists have their provocateurs everywhere trying to get violence.
That's all I'm saying.
dan friesen
So basically, Alex is saying to Patrick, if we endorse this.
jordan holmes
We won't get our good war.
dan friesen
No, there's that.
But that's almost like an abstract.
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
If we endorse people standing up and storming the Capitol as like, we're at odds with the government, whatever other anti-government violence that ends up happening is going to be seen as something that we're encouraging.
And I can't make money on that.
I will end up arrested if we end up being seen as the, I don't know, the mouthpiece, the media of an insurgent network.
We can't do that.
We have to play it smoother, Patrick.
jordan holmes
Baby reporter.
Grow up.
But at the same time, Alex said we played right into their plan.
You know, like, okay, so yes.
And so now they got false flagged.
That Antifa were the instigators.
Sure.
But that still means that all of those people did it and wanted to do it.
You wouldn't have been.
dan friesen
But they got tricked by the neuro-linguistic programming on the bullhorn.
jordan holmes
I'm so tired.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the person who took a shit on Schumer's desk was probably Q person.
And, you know, all the stuff that happened.
Like, the people who were Trump people were just the ones who were milling around and taking selfies and stuff.
Sure.
They were all good people.
All the things that you would be horrified by, those were provocateurs.
jordan holmes
You could absolutely stand around and take pictures outside of the Capitol building.
dan friesen
Could.
jordan holmes
If you storm it, that's interesting.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we now get to the point that I've been waiting for since the day that it all went down.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
I know who's coming.
I know who's coming.
alex jones
Now, I got Dr. Steve Pieczenik.
And he was a psychiatrist and worked at the State Department of Psychological Warfare and helped found Delta Force.
And he co-wrote the books with Tom Clancy.
I mean, he's a real spook spook compared to all the armchair quarterbacks that never actually done anything.
dan friesen
This is amazing.
All right.
This is one of my favorite Dr. Steve Pieczenik appearances.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
This is psychic trauma for Alex.
Okay.
dan friesen
This does not go well.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
There's a lot of big swings on Steve's part.
jordan holmes
That's what I was looking for.
dan friesen
And then there's also a lot of Steve trying to hold a mirror up to Alex.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex refuses to not like the mirror.
Not liking the mirror.
jordan holmes
He really doesn't like the mirror.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But before he introduces Steve, he's really got to like, okay, I know that he said the election was a sting operation.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I can't really still believe that one's a little late.
But it was just a prediction.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He wasn't saying that he was involved in it.
jordan holmes
He literally said he was.
alex jones
And I like Steve.
He's been on the show like 19 years.
He was trying to be optimistic.
You know, I think that's why he did it, saying, hey, there was some watermarking of ballots.
I don't think it was done system-wide this election.
It was done with the states.
Democrats put out their own fake ballots.
But he made that prediction that Trump will be able to turn this around.
Now a lot of things have gone sideways.
I want to get his take on that.
dan friesen
So let's get his take on that.
jordan holmes
I am excited.
dan friesen
Are you ready?
jordan holmes
I am excited.
I have been looking forward to the biggest swing, and that's got to come from Stevie Pease, right?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Nobody else can swing like him.
dan friesen
Also, please keep in mind that Alex has been going on the warpath against Q. 100%.
Now, Steve, Casey at the bat, might be really just sounding like QAnon shit.
steve pieczenik
We are now officially in a military coup.
What has happened and why I was part of it is because I've had a history of doing soft coups in the United States and what we call hard coups overseas, overthrowing regimes using the military.
In this case, we had what we call a hard coup.
It was initiated, as I said, a month and a half ago, two months ago, by our cyber command using special forces.
There were over 400 people from all parts of the intelligence community.
I won't go into the names, but in effect, now we are about to arrest Elosi.
We're going to arrest Biden, Dr. Biden, Mitt Romney.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, those arrests are coming.
jordan holmes
They're coming.
Right around the corner.
dan friesen
But, you know, that's Q stuff.
Like, these are what are about to happen.
It's been going on for.
jordan holmes
It's been going on for years.
dan friesen
But Steve, he's not one of these guys who's just like, this stuff is going to happen.
Stuff has already happened, and you might be shocked to hear about it.
steve pieczenik
We have already arrested and basically overseas.
We have taken out the Pope, whom I've identified for over 30 years as a terrorist.
dan friesen
Steve has arrested the Pope.
jordan holmes
Pope Francis, first of his name.
dan friesen
So Steve arrested the Pope.
Okay.
jordan holmes
The Pope has been arrested.
dan friesen
This is the thing that's going around in QAnon stuff.
This is a QAnon conspiracy theory.
And so Steve.
jordan holmes
It's so funny when the Pope tries to do very slow, incrementally good changes and everybody's like, we got to kill him.
We just got to arrest him.
We got to throw him into prison forever.
dan friesen
We're going to get an update on the Pope a little bit later.
Steve has some more details that might be even less believable.
Okay.
We've arrested the Pope.
jordan holmes
How?
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
It's his own country.
dan friesen
So Alex believes that on the 6th, Antifa antagonized the police who then got into a fight with QAnon people who then stormed the Capitol and took a poop on Schumer's desk, which was a false flag.
jordan holmes
Very false.
dan friesen
Or something.
Patriots got set up.
Trump supporters tried to fight them off.
jordan holmes
Of course they did.
dan friesen
He was a noble but doomed, much like the 300 at Thermopylae.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
They were doomed to failure, but they fought heroically to protect the Capitol.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Steve's got another angle on this.
steve pieczenik
By the way, there was no rioting in the Capitol.
I happen to know three to four people here from my town who said it was very peaceful.
The police took down the barriers.
Alex was there.
What people don't know is that forces operators in there to take Pelosi's computer.
dan friesen
This is another QAnon thing.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
They were just there to take the special ops and come in and take Pelosi's computer.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Yep.
He's just a Q guy.
jordan holmes
He's just a Q guy.
So stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So now, this is where the mirror comes in.
jordan holmes
Okay, here we get.
dan friesen
There's a really, really fascinating thing that's going on throughout this appearance.
And I get the feeling that it's Steve revealing himself to Alex as a super villain.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because he's like, Alex, I've been using you to get these extremist talking points out and try and start a coupon forever.
Don't you understand?
patrick m byrne
You're the vehicle.
unidentified
You're the useful idiot, you idiot.
dan friesen
Alex can't really hear it.
jordan holmes
No, he doesn't like that.
steve pieczenik
This is important for you, Alex, to understand and all of the listeners.
You were the method through which we were able to implement the coup.
It wasn't when you used to ask me, how did I know what I was doing?
How could I predict it?
The truth was and still is.
And by the way, you did an excellent interview with Mike Flynn.
The truth is you were the vehicle through which I was promoting the necessary actions that had to be accomplished.
dan friesen
You shut the fuck up.
jordan holmes
That is fantastic.
Don't put me in this.
That is fantastic.
I love it.
I love it.
Alex, do you know what?
Sometimes I was lying to you because it's part of the fucking op.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You idiot.
dan friesen
Hey, I was trying to start a military coup in this country.
jordan holmes
And you did it, buddy.
Mission accomplished.
dan friesen
Like, I don't believe any of this stuff, but I do believe that that's Steve's perception.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
And it seems like he's speaking real freely.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I haven't seen this since he declared himself in open treason back in 2013 or whatever that was.
jordan holmes
I do like the freedom that you get with the job security of just being an asshole for Alex and the complete lack of actually doing anything.
I think he's you can say you can do you did whatever you want.
dan friesen
I think he's also the kind of person who gets high on chaos.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
And I think that he's like, I think he's a little high.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
So anyway, he used Alex.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
But he also has an explanation for why he couldn't use other media.
jordan holmes
Oh, they wouldn't have him.
dan friesen
That's the truth.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
His version of it might involve some of them are Jewish.
jordan holmes
Why would I expect anything less?
dan friesen
Steve might get a little anti-Semitic.
jordan holmes
Why would I expect any less?
steve pieczenik
All of these elements came out through you, Alex Jones.
The reason we never used the New York Times, we didn't do the Washington Post, we didn't do any of the others, we understood who controlled them.
I knew about the Murdoch family from the day they came over in 1958.
I never trusted Murdoch.
I didn't trust his family.
What people didn't know, unfortunately, is that Murdoch's mother is an Orthodox Jew, and he is a totally corrupt individual and a coward, along with his family who brought in all of these stations and eventually kicked you and others off of it.
So you were chosen as the method through which we could initiate a military coup.
dan friesen
This is just wild.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wild.
Goddamn.
dan friesen
So, Alex, understandably.
jordan holmes
Scratch and sniff, and you'll find an anti-Semite.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, Steve's revealed that side of himself many times.
Alex is a little caught off guard, you can imagine, because Steve is saying a lot of stuff that very much contradicts everything he's been saying since the 6th.
jordan holmes
Steve, we've been doing this for 20 years.
How is it that I still don't do pre-interviews with you?
dan friesen
What the fuck?
Why am I still doing this?
alex jones
Why are we still doing this?
steve pieczenik
So you were chosen as the method through which we could initiate a military coup.
alex jones
Okay, well, we didn't talk about this beforehand.
Anytime I went to have a peaceful demonstration to show our numbers to expose election fraud, look, man.
dan friesen
I don't know about all that.
unidentified
I don't know what any of that shit is about.
jordan holmes
You fucking lunatic.
dan friesen
You did not tell me this earlier.
I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
I just wanted to have a march.
So Alex started this interview by saying that, like, Steve said that there were the watermark ballot sting.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And it was a prediction.
Right.
Steve, not so much.
jordan holmes
Not still.
steve pieczenik
We marked the computers.
We marked the ballots.
We marked the everything that was done was a sting operation.
Nothing has changed.
And what was done, it was done by Trump, a businessman who understood the degree of corruption that existed among the Democrats.
This isn't just something about the world control of America.
This was the concept of a fascist state coming in with the notion of the coronavirus, which was not lethal, using Fauci, another Catholic who was trained by the- Okay, hey, Doc, you're not informing.
alex jones
Listen, listen, listen, listen.
I don't know what's going on here.
You come on the show in 19 years, give us a lot of good information, but sure.
I mean, it looks like Trump's leaving in seven days.
You're saying this is a coup?
dan friesen
Steve also appears to be quite anti-Catholic.
steve pieczenik
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He points out a number of times to people who are Catholics.
jordan holmes
Unsurprising.
dan friesen
It's very fucked up.
jordan holmes
It's so funny to me.
Every time that they're like the Christian right, I'm like, man, if we were gone, they would be murdering each other in the streets.
dan friesen
Well, it's not even anything unique about Christian extremism or anything.
It's any kind of exclusive group.
Any group that defines itself by exclusion will eventually find new ways to exclude people.
It's part of the DNA of that kind of system.
jordan holmes
Yeah, even the fucking Taoist magicians murdered each other.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You'll end up like, you know, an all-white ethno-state will eventually alienate people of different hair colors.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
You know, eventually, that's how this works.
jordan holmes
It's the only way to continue to drive profit.
dan friesen
So Alex is like, hey, man, look, we got like a week left until the fucking inauguration.
How's this going to work?
jordan holmes
Yeah, sell me on this one.
alex jones
Doc, quantify this for me.
Your view, your perspective on this.
How is it a successful military coup against the deep state that we know is there and is corrupt?
The globalist arm of the deep state, I guess, if Biden gets in in seven days, or are you saying Trump's going to get in?
There's about to be mass arrests.
We don't have a lot of time here.
Like 150 hours.
What are you saying is about to happen?
steve pieczenik
I'm about to say that Biden is not going to be the president of the United States.
jordan holmes
Dun, dun, dun.
steve pieczenik
What I'm going to be saying is that there have been massive arrests.
And what I'm saying in effect is that we are in martial law and we have a military coup.
dan friesen
QAnon's real, baby.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Talk about it.
dan friesen
That's a non-answer.
jordan holmes
That's such a mirror.
Just Alex finally just being like.
Oh, God, you sound crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And listen to this next clip.
This is where I was like, Alex has got to be realizing this dude is like out of his mind.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
steve pieczenik
There is no globalism that's going to be involved.
We have shut down Pakistan.
We have shut down part of England.
We have already a constant.
alex jones
Well, there is talk about the Pope stepping down.
steve pieczenik
Whoa, listen for a minute.
The Pope was arrested well over a year ago.
And the reason why he was arrested, Alex, because on your show, I said this Pope was corrupt and had been involved with terrorist organizations 20 to 30 years ago.
I was forbidden to take him out under a Cyrus fan.
alex jones
Wait a minute.
You're saying the Pope?
Well, who's the guy we've seen traveling around the world in the last year?
steve pieczenik
You don't see anybody traveling around the world right now.
You don't see anybody.
jordan holmes
What?
unidentified
What the fuck?
dan friesen
So, yeah, the Pope got arrested a year ago, apparently.
jordan holmes
Who's the guy we see going around?
You don't see shit, man.
dan friesen
Alex has got to be like, oh, no.
jordan holmes
That is, because this is exactly that moment that so many people have had to have had with Alex is eventually, it's like, okay, this guy is literally saying to my face, everything I've ever believed is a lie or controlled by him.
So I can either believe this and then I'm gone, or I have to stop for a second and go like, oh, no.
Shit.
Oh, no.
dan friesen
So the two of them get into a little bit of a fight about whether or not Trump is going to stay president.
And if you listen carefully at the end of this clip, you can hear Steve's wife laughing in the background.
alex jones
But I'm just telling you, in seven days, Pachinik, tell us who's going to be the president and what's about to happen.
steve pieczenik
Seven days, let me repeat it again, Jones.
It's going to be Trump.
It will not be Biden.
Biden's people will be arrested.
There will be people who will be arrested.
Pelosi, Biden, Schumer.
That's what's going to happen.
And if I'm wrong, fine.
Don't put me on your show.
If I'm right, what else are you going to do?
dan friesen
His wife's laughing quite a bit in the background throughout this interview.
I think she's loving it.
jordan holmes
She is having a ball.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I think Steve doesn't like the fact that Alex is trying to pretend that this whole incident on January 6th was some kind of a false flag.
You have to blame the left?
No, just own it, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Why?
Why even pretend anymore?
jordan holmes
I love it.
alex jones
And I see the left provocaturing right-wing groups for a bunch of craziness this weekend, and it doesn't look good to me.
So I don't want to encourage people.
Like, you saw the Q guys going to the Capitol with zip ties.
They thought they were on a secret mission to arrest people.
steve pieczenik
Alex, quiet down a bit.
You've never been in a military coup.
You do not understand what that means.
You do not understand how quickly we work and how long we've been preparing for this.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he's scolding Alex.
jordan holmes
Four stars.
Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.
dan friesen
This is a little different, though.
This is almost just like mask off time.
jordan holmes
Alex, Alex, let's do this.
We hate democracy.
Fuck it.
It's time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And Steve gets a little insulting.
Mike down for this because I loved this clip.
So the one thing that they can come to an agreement on is that there is martial law that's going on right now.
Alex asks, so why are there black helicopters in Austin?
And Steve's response to it is like, whoa, perfect.
alex jones
The one thing I hope you're saying is true.
The one thing that you're saying is true is we are under martial law right now.
It's not just in D.C. That's correct.
steve pieczenik
I've said it repeatedly.
You're under martial law everywhere.
The state of California.
alex jones
Why do I see Blackhawk helicopters hovering over downtown Austin this morning?
steve pieczenik
Because you're sitting down in Austin.
You're working very hard in your studio and you're trying to sell vitamins.
We don't send Blackhawk helicopters every year.
This is not just special forces.
dan friesen
Why do I see Blackhawk helicopters?
jordan holmes
Because you're trying to steer people.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
Steve is damping his balls into Alex's eyes.
dan friesen
That is a scathing answer.
jordan holmes
That is hilarious.
dan friesen
Why do I see the scarecrows?
jordan holmes
Because you're trying to sell pills.
dan friesen
Yeah, I sell these vitamins.
jordan holmes
Because you're a fucking drug dealer, Alex.
That's what you are.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Alex is not.
He's not having a good time with this interview.
But he thinks that he's capable of having this interview.
And I would say he's wrong.
alex jones
I'm going to ask the tough questions here.
A 19-year history with this guy on Aaron.
He's given us 99% good stuff.
But, I mean, gosh, I hope he's right.
Now, some say don't have him on.
You can burn in hell, too.
You know, this idea that I'm just supposed to have one view on here, one idea, this is all in flux.
We are under martial law.
dan friesen
I just think that if you're going to have interviews with people like this, they should be a little bit more well done.
You shouldn't be caught off guard by him telling you that you have been a 30-year instrument of his desire to start a military coup.
jordan holmes
20 years, no pre-interviews.
20 years.
20 years I've been doing this.
This happens once every four months.
dan friesen
Once a week.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that it's like really, you know, I don't think that you should have blanket, no, absolutely no talking to Steve or whatever.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But I do think that it behooves you to prepare.
jordan holmes
You should prepare.
Yeah.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine thinking that Steve is in pocket, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like Steve is a loose cannon at the best of times.
You can't expect Steve to hold to the line.
No, he doesn't.
dan friesen
Before the first time he burned Alex, like in 2004.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And maybe Alex could be forgiven.
unidentified
How many times has Steve been put on the backbench for a year?
dan friesen
Damn it.
jordan holmes
Steve.
Again.
dan friesen
So they make a bet.
steve pieczenik
Okay.
Here's the bet we're going to have, Alex, once and for all.
If I'm wrong, I will never appear on your show again.
But if I'm right, I become one of your official faith commentators.
jordan holmes
Super all.
steve pieczenik
You want that bet?
alex jones
You're right.
I'll hire you and pay and get me on the show every day.
steve pieczenik
That's correct.
unidentified
All right.
steve pieczenik
So we have that bet.
alex jones
Yes.
ali alexander
Okay.
dan friesen
So Alex is eating.
And this is weird to me because this implies that Steve wants to work at InfoWars.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Why hasn't he been?
jordan holmes
He just doesn't have the time.
But he's making this wild bet because he doesn't have the time.
dan friesen
Maybe this is his exit strategy because he knows that he's going to be wrong.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then he'll be like, well, I'll never have to appear on this dumbass show.
jordan holmes
This is his retirement.
This is his last episode.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Because he is revealing it all.
Much like the magician.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Showing all the cards.
steve pieczenik
Yeah, but that's not about me.
I'm talking about you, Alex.
You were the vehicle that was initially anointed, say, by me.
All right.
But you were anointed because I took that risk to say this is going to be the major vehicle for where we're going to go in the next 20 or 30 years.
So in this process, you have to remember, what is this coup about?
This is a coup to pay back the Cheneys for the corruption and cowardice, for the wars that they sent us in Iraq and Afghanistan, to Obama who sent up the war, including Biden, who specifically sent soldiers there, and we lost 5,000 people there.
dan friesen
Alex, do you understand that I have been using you to try and build up a terrorist insurrection as payback against my political enemies?
jordan holmes
You shouldn't just say that.
dan friesen
Well, you should know he's going to say something like this beforehand if you're the host of the show.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it's tough to roll with.
jordan holmes
That's fantastic.
dan friesen
Especially when you don't have to throw it to commercial break.
And Steve's somebody who has too much respect in your universe for you to just be like, go fuck yourself.
jordan holmes
I just don't know how you could respond to that with anything other than, so you are saying that you have been controlling me.
dan friesen
You've been running a siren.
jordan holmes
You've been running, you've been, everything that I've been saying from you is in purpose of one goal, not necessarily the truth.
dan friesen
For 20 years, you have harbored this grudge.
I think that Alex knows that he's full of shit, though, so he doesn't have to wrestle with the TV.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't worry too much about that.
dan friesen
And Steve, maybe he's an anti-Semite, but he's also apparently a failed individual in the world of show business.
You know, he wrote a couple books with Tom Clancy, sure, ways back.
And one of his books was apparently going to be turned into a TV show.
But then something in Hollywood didn't go well.
alex jones
Okay.
steve pieczenik
I'll give you an example.
Just recently, state of emergency was picked up by one of the major presidents of CW Network.
And that person whom I've known for years in Hollywood said, I want to help you out.
What happened when he found out I was involved in a coup?
He was disgusted.
What happened to all of Hollywood among American Jews?
They're incompetent.
They're ignorant.
Wild.
jordan holmes
Wow.
An old white man who failed in Hollywood blaming the Jews?
That is so original, damn.
Yeah, that's wildly original.
dan friesen
That is just.
But I do think, like, you take that part out of it, take the anti-short part out of it.
I think it's pretty hilarious that he's like, all right, I had this screenplay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The guy at CW loved it, but then he found out I was involved in a coup.
jordan holmes
All of these fucking guys have a goddamn screenplay.
dan friesen
But hey, why am I being kicked out of Hollywood?
jordan holmes
Because I was involved in a couple of people.
All I did was involve myself in a coup.
What are you, oh, you're going to be disgusted by that?
I thought you would be impressed.
dan friesen
Bunch of squares.
jordan holmes
How many coups have you been involved with, huh?
dan friesen
So Alex realizes that, hey, if Steve's right, I got to hire him.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So let's talk about salary.
alex jones
Okay, so I took Dr. Steve Pieczenik's bet that if Trump is president on January 21st, 2021, that we're going to hire Pachenek for the daily show if he wants it.
I'll pay him $200,000 a year.
He's got that bet, but he's not allowed if he loses the bet to just go away.
He has to come back on the show.
Not to humiliate him.
I'm wrong about stuff.
I felt like I was set up.
dan friesen
But also maybe to humiliate him.
jordan holmes
I would hope to humiliate him.
I would say that there's no way that Dr. Steve comes back on for a while to be humiliated.
No.
Because Alex is going to want to do a whole, oh, I just sell fucking vitamins, do I?
Is that what I do?
dan friesen
There will be a long break.
You won't see him for a while.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But also, I don't think it would work in Alex's interests to humiliate him either because there'll be a little splashback on the info war.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Why do you even talk to this guy?
Why do you take anything he says seriously?
unidentified
True.
dan friesen
He's a fucking liar.
jordan holmes
But Alex is also petty to the point of throwing his entire life away.
dan friesen
True.
Yeah, it's competing forces.
jordan holmes
I don't know exactly how it goes.
We'll see what wins out in the end.
dan friesen
So this gave me chills.
Alex is talking about, he's trying to ask Steve a question.
He's like, Steve, you're a nice guy.
And then Steve has to remind him, am I?
alex jones
Dr. Pachenek, you're a nice guy and a smart guy, but I just don't think you mean bad.
I just think you're being overly optimistic here.
So we're going to find out in seven days.
In seven days, you're coming back on, aren't you?
steve pieczenik
Absolutely.
But remember one thing about me.
How is a very nice guy able to take out the Khmer Rouge without any weapons, able to take out the Soviet Union without any weapons, able to take Noriega without any weapons?
What?
Do you understand what this nice guy does?
dan friesen
Do you understand?
Yeah, I'm a nice guy.
jordan holmes
I'm going to answer that.
dan friesen
I fuck with people.
jordan holmes
I'm going to answer that riddle, Dan.
I'm going to go with, he doesn't.
dan friesen
No.
No, but the message of that is, I appear to be a nice guy, but I'm a sociopath.
jordan holmes
I was going to go with the message was more, I didn't actually do any of those things.
dan friesen
No, but Alex is so gullible that someone like Steve would be able to manipulate him pretty easily.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
I mean, if he can get him to believe that he's done all these things geopolitically, like, yeah, I've been malevolently fucking with you the way that you think I would have if I took down the Soviet Union.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I'm not a nice guy.
jordan holmes
No.
I'm an asshole.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I just told you that you sold vitamins, Dickwad.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex wants to know how Biden's not going to be president.
He wants specifics.
jordan holmes
I would like specifics.
dan friesen
We learn instead about Steve's pets.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
alex jones
I'm trying to figure out.
So you can't tell us how this magic's going to happen and Joe Biden's going to step down in seven days.
I mean, explain to me the details.
steve pieczenik
I just said it to you.
You're perseverating, Alex.
I said to you, there will be arrests of the Bidens, the Pelosis.
It's going on now.
He will not come to the presidency.
jordan holmes
I agree with you.
alex jones
I hope you're right.
Can we meet your cat, please?
unidentified
I only have two.
steve pieczenik
I have two cats and three dogs.
dan friesen
So Alex, I think, got a little uncomfortable because Steve is basically just disseminating Q shit on his show.
jordan holmes
So what's Mrs. Pachenek feeling like?
dan friesen
I don't know, man.
jordan holmes
I would like to know what her day-to-day is like.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
There's a little bit of curiosity, but also I don't care.
You know, like personal lives and stuff.
jordan holmes
Totally.
I just see them.
I just see them both like on the back porch laughing about how they're fucking with Alex.
Absolutely.
Like they both got their books.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And Tom Clancy novels.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And Steve's got a lit cigarette over there just burning slow.
And then they both stop for one second.
And Steve just looks up and he just goes, oh my God, you have no idea what I'm going to tell Alex tomorrow.
It is going to be hilarious.
dan friesen
I'm going to tell him we arrested the Pope a year ago.
jordan holmes
I am going to tell Alex we arrested the fucking Pope.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And she loses her shit.
That'd be great.
dan friesen
So Steve is a doctor.
He has a doctorate.
And he thinks that that means something.
steve pieczenik
Either I'm a genius or I just see ordinary problems and say, you know what?
You're wrong.
That's what allowed me to be a doctor.
And what does a doctor really do?
He saves lives and he can kill lives.
You better think very carefully that this nice guy is what he may or may not be.
alex jones
So you're talking about that.
unidentified
Am I really?
Whoa.
dan friesen
Whoa.
Steve is saying that because he's a doctor, he has the right to give and take lives.
jordan holmes
Some people tell you about this oath that you take when you become a doctor, Dan, and they're wrong.
Sometimes you kill for pleasure or gain.
Those are the reasons you become a doctor.
dan friesen
I don't know if doctors get the right to kill.
So Steve insists that there will be arrests before the inauguration.
So we got a real clock on that one.
alex jones
Closing comments here.
We're going to see some fireworks in the next seven days.
steve pieczenik
No, you're not going to see fireworks.
You're going to see a lot of arrests, and it's going to be quiet.
And you're going to see martial law.
We've clamped down the cities.
You already see in Washington it's clamped down.
We clamped down in Berlin.
We clamped down in Pakistan.
We clamped down in Italy.
And now you will also make another prediction.
This nice man.
The Italian government will fall apart within 24 hours.
Other than that, Alex, I've had a wonderful time, and I hope to see you again.
alex jones
Go fuck yourself.
jordan holmes
I'm going to throw this one last bombshell out to you.
Italy, gone tomorrow.
dan friesen
In a day.
unidentified
And also, fuck you.
dan friesen
I've had a very great time explaining to you that I've been fucking with you for decades.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you can't do shit.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a good interview.
dan friesen
It is pretty good.
jordan holmes
I would feel pretty confident if I was Stevie Pease at the end of that one.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that Alex is so taken aback that all he can do is really like, sputter.
Let's talk about your cats.
alex jones
Let me ask you a question.
What is your cat's, the cat that was on the TV's name?
steve pieczenik
Geronimo.
Geronimo.
alex jones
That's cultural appropriation.
What's the other cat?
What's the other cat's name?
steve pieczenik
Nona, meaning no name.
She's about 40 years old.
alex jones
Well, we should nominate Nona to be the first female president.
steve pieczenik
You know what?
I love you, Alex.
alex jones
Could you stage a coup for his daughter Pachenek and put your kid as the president?
jordan holmes
A little snippy.
steve pieczenik
No, I want to really have a real president for the first time.
We haven't had a real president in 50 years.
Neither the Bushes, the Clintons, the Obamas, the Bidens.
None of them were real presidents.
Now you're going to see a real president.
dan friesen
So what Alex was doing there was kind of trying to take back power in the dynamics.
Like, would you stage a coup to put your cat in?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's sort of mocking the resume that Alex has given Steve, and it's ineffective.
He's already empowered Steve way too much.
jordan holmes
Steve doesn't give a shit.
No, try and make fun of me.
I just said Italy was going to be gone tomorrow.
dan friesen
I arrested the Pope a year ago.
jordan holmes
What do you got on me?
Oh, you're going to make me feel stupid.
I just said that the Pope has been gone for a year and told you that even though, yes, you have seen the Pope around, you haven't seen anybody.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
And this just leaves Alex in a bind.
alex jones
All right, my friends.
I'm Alex Shones, your host.
That was a wild interview.
I sure hope Dr. Pachenek's right.
You know, mainstream media and the globalists want us to believe whatever they say.
They tell so many big lies that it makes you get to the point where you don't even know what the truth is anymore.
Is it wishful thinking?
Is it hoping?
That guy's been involved in overthrowing governments, a lot of the big stuff.
I mean, I don't want a military coup.
We're already under a Chinese globalist coup.
So I just don't know what to say about any of them, but I'm just here covering it.
dan friesen
He's so pathetic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's sad.
dan friesen
He can't even operate as a sincere person because to attack Steve raises too many questions about his own credibility and all of the conspiracies that he's based on Steve over the years.
So he's stuck in a lurch where he has to be, well, I hope he's right.
jordan holmes
It could happen.
dan friesen
If Steve is what you pretend he is, there is no hoping.
He's not saying these things like, oh, maybe this.
jordan holmes
He's saying he did it.
dan friesen
He did it and is doing it.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And you're still being used.
The fact that you're, how could you not?
I just don't understand how you could let somebody say, I have been using you for 20 years to your face and not be like, then go fuck yourself.
dan friesen
Well, in many ways, this is kind of like the Nigerian email scam.
jordan holmes
I think we just hit the button and the show is over.
I think you just did it.
I think you just nailed it.
That's full circle.
It's all over.
dan friesen
So, after this, Alex has an interview with Laura Loomer, but I don't really care.
She's just complaining about how she had a tough time at the airport.
And I don't care.
Yeah.
It's a zero.
Especially after that epic interview with Sam.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, we can't.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
This is the end of the episode.
dan friesen
I can't wait to see what happens.
Like, not, I mean, I don't think that Trump's sting operation is real.
jordan holmes
I kind of doubt it.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think the inauguration will happen, and I just want to see how they deal with it.
I'm going to guess denial.
I'm going to guess that they pretend that this didn't happen.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This interview didn't happen.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Steve will disappear for a month or two and then he'll come back with a new narrative of some sort.
Much like a pro wrestler whose character has grown weary.
They'll get repackaged.
They'll come up with a new character and show back up in a few months.
jordan holmes
I just don't understand.
See, now, the thing that confuses me maybe more than anything else now is after seeing the events of the 6th and how Trump has decided to pout, why would you want to install him as your dictator?
Like, why would you want a fucking powder to be your dictator?
That's pathetic.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that Steve thinks it's all like the art of war, Sun Tzu kind of stuff.
And so, like, and I think that's also pretty popular in the Q communities.
jordan holmes
Yeah, make yourself look weak when you're strong.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.
I get that.
dan friesen
And I know he was expressing a little bit of that stuff, Sean, on the episode.
And so, like, Trump's doing this stuff because that's what he's got to do to give the appearances to pull off.
And so, I guess you can rationalize that way, but that's only going to work for so long.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, especially considering the sheer number of times we have seen him pout when he doesn't get his way.
dan friesen
He's a whiny little titty baby.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, we will be back, Jordan.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yeah, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at Knowledge Underfight and at GoToBedJordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
It is rated.
If you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work right now.
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clerk.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
I arrested the Pope a year ago.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your work.
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