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Jan. 11, 2021 - Knowledge Fight
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#518: January 7-8, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan check in to see what Alex Jones was up to in the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol Building. In this installment, Alex weaves a needlessly complicated narrative about antifa trickery and then interviews an alleged shaman.

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alex jones
22:11
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dan friesen
51:40
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jacob chansley
05:53
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jordan holmes
28:03
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joel skousen
01:54
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owen shroyer
00:55
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alex jones
Knowledge Fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
I need, I need money.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your room.
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little tiny bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
Jordan!
dan friesen
Jordan!
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is, um, I don't know.
It's hard to find a bright spot.
A friend of mine recommended a game called Hades.
jordan holmes
Hades.
I heard of that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's like Diablo, maybe?
dan friesen
Yeah, a little bit like that.
I haven't played Diablo.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
My friend Crane recommended it to me, and it's a lot of fun.
jordan holmes
It's a lot of fun.
dan friesen
Just running around.
jordan holmes
Slashing, hacking.
dan friesen
Kind of.
jordan holmes
Doing the whole thing.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's a good thing for background entertainment.
I like it.
jordan holmes
That's fantastic.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I mean, in times where it's tough for a bright spot, we've got another video game.
jordan holmes
What a shock.
We're inside!
dan friesen
Yeah.
How about you?
jordan holmes
I have a bright spot, and also an incredibly dark spot.
My bright spot is that I found out that my parents had COVID and they survived.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
With no, like, they didn't have to go to the hospital.
dan friesen
That's fantastic.
I mean, comparatively, yes.
jordan holmes
Absolutely, yes.
dan friesen
Compared to the alternative.
jordan holmes
100%.
The unqualified dark spot, obviously, is that they learned zero from the experiment.
Absolutely nothing.
dan friesen
From the experiment.
jordan holmes
I don't mean experiment.
Experience.
I meant experience, but then I was like, they're all weird.
So, yeah!
So, it's good.
dan friesen
They take the good and the bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's good.
They're not gone.
Also, I...
Want to kill them.
So it's a real difficult situation that they've put me in.
dan friesen
Yeah, that is tough.
jordan holmes
It's a bind, Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm sorry.
What are you going to do?
jordan holmes
What are you going to do?
At least they're not dead.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
That's nice.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
I'm hanging.
It's a bright spot.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Bright spot.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yes.
unidentified
Throw tomatoes at them.
dan friesen
Tomatoes stock going up.
jordan holmes
Going up.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today, what we've got in front of us is a little bit of an after-the-action report, as it were.
On our last episode, we talked about the coverage on Infowars the day of January 6th, when some ding-dongs were storming the Capitol building.
jordan holmes
Great day.
dan friesen
And so today we've got January 7th and 8th, the end of last week, how Alex tried to regroup and try to figure out where are we going with this?
jordan holmes
The post-coital bliss, if you will.
dan friesen
I'm not positive.
There's a lot of stuff that's going on that I would describe as less than blissful.
jordan holmes
Less than blissful?
dan friesen
All right.
Trying to figure out exactly how we're going to make it through and make this profitable.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
That's a tough fight.
I'm interested to see what he's got.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And we'll get down to business on that here in a second.
I'd like to take a little moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Amphysium, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Amphysium!
unidentified
There you go.
dan friesen
Next, Trevor B., thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Trevor!
alex jones
There you go.
dan friesen
Next, James, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, James!
dan friesen
There you go.
Next, George F., thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, George!
unidentified
There you go.
dan friesen
Next, Natalie, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Nat!
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Christopher L. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Conspiracy of Christopher.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
Now, they have to shorten it up.
jordan holmes
They have to shorten it up?
You have to get it?
I don't know if that's fair.
dan friesen
It's part of the entry requirement.
unidentified
That's fair.
dan friesen
It's a holy ritual that the Conspiracy of Chris is.
Go on.
jordan holmes
They have to physically chop off the all-capitals, Christopher, and chop it.
Yeah, I get you.
dan friesen
Next, Emily T. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Emily!
dan friesen
And then finally, Brandy.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Brandy.
It's Brandy?
dan friesen
Yeah, not the singer.
jordan holmes
Oh, not Brandy?
dan friesen
No, the character from the Looking Glass song.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, thank you very much, Brandy!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's good to hear from you.
You were inside there for a while.
dan friesen
There's a port on a western bay that serves 100 sailors a day.
100 ships a day.
unidentified
I love it when you sing.
dan friesen
That's a great song.
Brandy, you're a fine girl.
What a good...
unidentified
My life, my love, and my lady is the sea.
jordan holmes
Well, yes, naturally.
dan friesen
So anyway, thank you.
Jordan, today, I think that anybody who's tuning into this show is probably the most interested in, or maybe the most like, what?
Because you see things on Twitter.
People have some primed...
And something went around, and that was, of course, that Alex...
jordan holmes
Yeah, people were wondering what video games you were playing, and you said Hades, and then I've actually started it.
dan friesen
No, let's pack it in, then.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
We've given the news report.
No, on Twitter, there was some stuff going around about Alex interviewing the Q Shaman.
jordan holmes
Oh, he did?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Great, great.
dan friesen
So this episode...
jordan holmes
Helmet on or off?
dan friesen
It's hard to tell over the phone.
This episode will culminate with Alex interviewing the Q Shaman.
jordan holmes
Great, great, great.
dan friesen
And I'll give you this spoiler.
It doesn't go well.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
You know who it does go well for, actually?
jordan holmes
The FBI?
dan friesen
The Q Shaman.
jordan holmes
Okay.
That's not good.
That's not good.
dan friesen
Turns out, you get the Q Shaman on the line with Alex.
He sounds not as bad as Alex.
jordan holmes
Okay, so the guy dressed like fucking Dan Aykroyd in Dragnet.
Is gonna kick Alex Jones' ass.
dan friesen
I'm sorry.
Let me be a little bit clearer about this.
They both sound crazy.
jordan holmes
Okay, well that's fair.
dan friesen
But he sounds polite.
jordan holmes
Oh, like Dan Aykroyd in Dragnet!
dan friesen
Sure.
So, before we get to this episode, let's listen to a little out of context drop that actually I think really, if you've never listened to Alex Jones' show, this almost perfectly sums up what it's like to listen to him.
alex jones
I'm gonna explain that next segment.
Baby.
unidentified
Maybe.
That is Alex to a T. I do like that in a news program.
jordan holmes
You know, a lot of news programs just give you the news.
Alex at least makes you work for it.
dan friesen
I got a story.
It's huge.
I'm going to explain it to you later.
unidentified
Maybe.
Possibly.
dan friesen
So, at this point, we start on the 7th, and Alex has learned that more people have passed away in relation to the storming of the Capitol building.
Correct.
And also, apparently, he's doubling down on the It Was Antifa narrative.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Well, ladies and gentlemen, we are here at the epicenter, where four U.S. citizens were murdered inside and outside the U.S. Capitol.
The paramilitary forces there who were manipulated and triggered by Antifa Evidence's mounting that posed as Proud Boys so that they would then attack and so they could then trigger part of the crowd, hundreds of thousands already massing, to get a small percentage inside the building.
dan friesen
So this is the way that the ball is going to break for Alex.
It's Antifa.
They triggered everything by posing as Proud Boys to set things off.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
We should have had a contingent in every right-wing propagandist's home, like, the day after, just ready to slap.
Like, oh, say it was Antifa.
Say it was Antifa.
Just do it.
Just one more time.
Just one more time.
Say it.
And then when he does, slap!
Forever.
dan friesen
But that slap is contingent on the person not being able to explain themselves.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Because, you know, hey, look, if Alex is trying to come on air and say, like, hey...
Facts are coming out that this was Antifa.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
I'd like for him to back that up.
jordan holmes
Hey, if you prove it's Antifa, I will believe it's Antifa, Dan.
dan friesen
Well, he's got some intel that he's going to repeat.
jordan holmes
I'm keeping an open mind.
dan friesen
All right.
alex jones
Let me read you some of the intel that some of our folks got us here in D.C. This is from a lot of different sources.
Antifa and other organizations promoted as always that they would dress in Trump apparel to infiltrate the event.
This is normal activity for them.
Members from the security team did an advanced observation of the Capitol grounds prior to Trump even arriving to confirm a stage that was set up for the speak.
An observation for a group of 120 folks already assembled, chanting F Antifa, dressed in a manner not consistent with that normally seen from Trump supporters.
Everyone else who came from the event...
Was it the Ellipse waiting for Trump's speech?
They were wearing mainly kind of like gray overalls, arm pads, knee pads.
jordan holmes
Completely different.
alex jones
They all kind of looked like sons of congressmen, sons of Senator Kaine was probably there.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, that's crazy.
alex jones
He was arrested here doing felony type stuff.
In fact, I would guess he was probably there.
dan friesen
So, you know, the proof that he's laying out that this was Antifa is that there were people who were dressed in a certain way.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they looked a little different.
dan friesen
I just, I don't...
jordan holmes
And Tim Kaine's son had a felony one time.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
So he was probably there.
dan friesen
He was probably there.
jordan holmes
Everybody who's had a felony was probably there.
dan friesen
This just is thin.
Like, it's just, it doesn't...
And also, I would say that him saying that, oh, they were chanting, fuck Antifa.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's kind of interesting because the night before, Owen Schroyer posted that video of himself burning a Black Lives Matter flag and everyone was chanting, fuck Antifa.
jordan holmes
It really does sound...
dan friesen
It sounds like exactly what you all engage in on a fairly regular basis.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You could say that this is Antifa doing an amazing impression of you, or it could be people who are in the communities that you run in, and it would be impossible to tell the difference, I guess.
jordan holmes
I would even argue at that point that if Antifa were at fault behind all of this, they might as well just have joined the Proud Boys?
I don't want them back.
dan friesen
Fair.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
What's going on, though, is that Alex is recognizing that, like, shit.
I mean, this is too real.
It happened.
I can't deny this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, we have to lie about it, because I told people to do this, and then they did it, and I don't want to get caught.
dan friesen
Well, we'll get into that, because there are a lot of conversations that are going on around Alex's behavior on the ground.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And we should discuss that, and we will a little bit later when Alex gets into it.
You know, he would much rather be like, ah, this is all staged or something, but he can't.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Because it happened.
jordan holmes
False flag would be so much better.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, and so it has to be that, like, oh, yeah, yeah, you know what?
Some of our people did end up going in there.
I'm not going to be able to deny that.
jordan holmes
No.
Because they took pictures and streamed, and Gavin McGinnis was there, apparently.
dan friesen
Look, they got tricked into doing it.
Yeah.
alex jones
So that's what Andy said they were coming to do.
They're all trust fund kids, sons of U.S. senators, sons of congresspeople, academics, devil-worshipping, child-molesting, chi-com-loving, America-hating, trash of the planet.
And the police got attacked.
The police got hit.
They then came out.
When the crowd saw that, Antifa said, let's get them.
Some patriots responded.
Because they didn't want to be bullied and got suckered into this.
That's what happened.
Trump needs to go on the offense, start exposing this.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that's the way the narrative is starting to take shape.
It's not strong.
jordan holmes
So, I think that's kind of a struggle there, because aren't we also trying to make what's-her-face into a martyr?
True.
dan friesen
Well, Alex by this point has learned that she was really into QAnon.
jordan holmes
Right.
So she can be cut...
dan friesen
Well, no, she is, you know, it is a tragedy, and it's very sad.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But she got tricked into doing this by QAnon.
Okay, so now all open warfare on Q. QAnon may also be Antifa or a PSYOP or something.
unidentified
I like this.
dan friesen
I like this.
jordan holmes
Let's add this in there.
I like QAnon being Antifa.
Let's throw that in there.
dan friesen
It gets a little murky as things go along.
unidentified
Why not?
jordan holmes
They don't have any allegiances.
dan friesen
Listen to me.
There's one thing that I know.
From blowhards.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And that is, they like to talk about how they could have averted disasters.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
If only they had been there.
jordan holmes
Real Mark Wahlberg situation.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If he was on that plane, there wouldn't have been a 9-11.
dan friesen
Wouldn't have happened.
alex jones
And we just should have been there, I should have been there, instead of at the Trump speech.
In fact, I was tempted to not go to the Trump speech and be at the Capitol.
I wanted to race down and not wait for Trump and get to the Capitol.
That's what my gut told me.
And we could have told people that's Antifa.
We could have tackled them.
Hold off their mask.
I would have happened to have been arrested.
And we would have stopped these pieces of filth.
unidentified
So yeah, he could have tackled all the Antifa.
dan friesen
If only Alex had been there.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
He could have saved the day.
jordan holmes
That's one of those lies that just elevated to the point of just like...
Nah.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm so far beyond before you started that lie.
When you started that lie, I'm just out.
dan friesen
Also, go back to yesterday when your employee...
unidentified
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
jordan holmes
We don't remember yesterday.
dan friesen
When your employee said, the Capitol has fallen, the Patriots are now in charge.
jordan holmes
It's a new day, Dan.
Today, the Patriots are not in charge, so we can't celebrate.
dan friesen
Shit got too real, so that was Antifa.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was Antifa.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I'm interested in their evidence.
All right.
owen shroyer
Yeah, keep in mind, too, that every time we have these events in D.C., you always see Antifa and BLM out on the streets.
They are not anywhere to be seen in this week because they're all wearing Trump gear.
They're all posing as journalists.
They're all just infiltrating all the Trump stuff because they have no effect now, dressing in all black with black bloc going around.
They get their ass kicked by Proud Boys.
The police are sick of them.
So now they pretend to be patriots, they infiltrate, and then they cause all this disruption.
dan friesen
I didn't see anybody who I decided was Antifa, and therefore they must be hidden in plain sight, dressed like Trump supporters.
Therefore they false flagged us.
jordan holmes
I have a serious question for you, Dan.
Are you trying to turn me into some sort of superhero vigilante with a tragic backstory?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Because it seems like this is like listening to Owen say that the day after.
Makes me want to dress in all black and train really hard in ninjutsu and then just solve problems wherever they are arising.
dan friesen
I'm not trying to do that.
jordan holmes
It seems like you're making it happen.
dan friesen
But if it does happen, I will say that you are required to be able to jump between a couple buildings before you solve any problems.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
You can't prove it's me.
The pictures are grainy, Dan.
There's no evidence that it's me doing any of this.
dan friesen
I will be your Alfred.
You can jump between two buildings before you solve anybody else's problem.
jordan holmes
This is why I gotta train for at least two or three years.
dan friesen
You might need a little more than that.
jordan holmes
Ah, two buildings, two years.
That's the rule.
dan friesen
So, the name of the game is getting these talking points out into the world and making sure that this is the reality that people accept.
jordan holmes
Muddy the waters, at least.
dan friesen
Muddying the waters is important, but the other thing that I think Alex recognizes pretty quickly, and I think he's right, is, like, this is a great opportunity to try and get some cute people back.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
Some people might be...
Maybe disillusioned by the fact that they went through all this trouble, nothing happened, and then Trump, I guess, is conceding?
What happened to the plan?
What happened to the plan?
jordan holmes
Tell me about those ballots again.
They were watermarked and everything or whatever?
dan friesen
Steve, also conspicuous in his absence.
unidentified
Conspicuous?
jordan holmes
Why?
dan friesen
No Steve.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
We need to talk about talking points based in truth for the president, for America, for the world, because we don't have any Patriot communications.
The president's been cut off, basically.
The White House is listening to us.
And it's not because we're powerful.
It's because Trump is surrounded, okay?
And I keep telling everybody, you think Q's great, you don't have to do anything, trust the plan, everything's wonderful.
That's what's gotten us into this position, okay?
And I'm not bashing if you were a Q person.
I'm just telling you now that you have to listen to the talking points.
You have to discuss who was behind this.
We have to get Trump moving now on the offense instead of being on the defense.
dan friesen
So this is a nice way to extend an olive branch to any listeners who might have drifted more cue than Alex and be like, you can still come back here.
There's nothing against you if you got into this because it's all supposed to be asking questions.
jordan holmes
So this event almost is like a...
A plus one for everybody's media consumption?
Like, if you were a Q person, you go plus one to InfoWars.
If you're InfoWars, you go plus one to Fox News.
And if you're at Fox News, you're like, I have no home!
I'll just believe whatever I feel like.
dan friesen
Maybe, yeah.
Maybe there's a sort of, like, a toe back towards, like, away from the extremism.
jordan holmes
A brief period of time.
dan friesen
And also for, like, people on their couches.
Sure, sure.
Not necessarily the people who were in D.C. Sure.
jordan holmes
No, no.
That's what I'm referencing.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Possibly.
I mean, I think we haven't had enough time to see what the actual effects of it are.
That's true.
But the way that I hear Alex talking about this stuff and the way I see him behaving, it has the feeling of somebody who sees an opportunity.
And it's an opportunity to get part of that market share that he lost back from all these QAnon folks who think that he is controlled opposition and works for the Mossad or the CIA or whatever.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So, I mean, good.
Not good, but that's what you should be doing from a business standpoint.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Dan, now do you see where the vigilante part comes into this?
Because if Alex winds up getting more market share out of this...
And no one stops him?
I feel like there needs to be some sort of all-black-clad ninjutsu master who has trained for two years and can jump exactly two buildings to solve that problem.
dan friesen
But the way you would solve that problem is by, like, starting your own...
jordan holmes
Ninjutsu!
dan friesen
No, starting your own right-wing media outlet.
jordan holmes
Okay.
So not even like judo?
dan friesen
No, you should steal some of Alex's market share.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
If the problem that you're seeking to solve is that.
jordan holmes
All right.
Okay.
So I'll just wear all black and have a radio show at night.
dan friesen
Yeah, there you go.
jordan holmes
That's the same thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So the Capitol Police.
You know, there's a lot of questions that are going around about their preparedness, their lack of preparedness.
You know, and I think that, you know, we'll learn more in coming days.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex has decided that they were understaffed on purpose because they were working on this with Antifa or something.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Antifa came in.
They had the Capitol understaffed on purpose.
You can see the setup.
They attacked.
The police finally pushed back.
Antifa pulls out, the police attack the Patriots, the Patriots attack, and it was all a setup.
They beautifully played, we need this to be investigated by state police, by citizens, by grand juries, by investigative journalists.
The FBI's not going to do it.
I mean, I bet Bill Barr was probably in command of this.
jordan holmes
Bill Barr noted Antifa.
owen shroyer
The state police aren't going to do anything either.
They're all funded by Soros, and they have Soros DAs, so they know there's nothing that's going to be done.
dan friesen
Yeah, you talked over, but he did say Antifa works for the deep state.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Hey, far right, guys.
Go fight those cops.
Go fight them.
Go do it.
There are your enemies.
There are your enemies.
The left, we were Antifa.
Look, Antifa, in this circumstance, did exactly what the far right wanted, right?
dan friesen
Well, if you look at the responses that were going on as it was happening before shit got too real, yeah, I think it was exactly what...
jordan holmes
So maybe Antifa has been your ally all along and it's the cops who are your enemy.
dan friesen
Very confusing.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So after this all went down, Trump pretty quickly on the 7th, he put out that video where he was like, well, there's going to be a...
Transfer of power.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
More or less conceding.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was a great little whoops-a-doodle moment.
dan friesen
Yeah, and Alex, I think he recognizes that, like, Trump is running out of allies.
There are people who are, like, in his cabinet who are resigning.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
There's just a sense of, like, oh, no, everyone hates this guy now.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think Alex sees this as an opportunity.
alex jones
What do we do as millions of listeners, as millions of activists, with talking points and narratives to counter what's happening?
What pressure do we put on Trump and Congress?
Because Trump's totally been abandoned.
Now, that sounds bad.
That's actually good.
jordan holmes
Tell me on this.
alex jones
He's so abandoned by all the snakes around him that now Alex Jones led a march.
Now we're running the show the next 15 days.
He can do so much now to counter them regardless.
We're going to talk about it in the second hour, but pray for awakening.
dan friesen
Hey, this aspiring dictator is isolated and increasingly desperate.
And this is good news because, hey, everyone else is gone and maybe he'll listen to me now.
jordan holmes
True.
That does sound right.
dan friesen
That's fucked.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, I guess the good news is that we know the vice president will be like, hey, don't send those nukes.
Don't do that.
Don't send those nukes.
dan friesen
Oh, that's until Trump 25th Amendment's him.
jordan holmes
Oh, that'll be interesting.
That'll be an interesting reversal of fortune.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex is kind of obsessed with the 25th Amendment stuff, and he's decided that Trump only released that video where he may or may not have conceded because Pence was threatening him with the 25th Amendment.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's probably true.
alex jones
I want to open the phones up.
And take calls specifically on what you think with 13 days Trump should do.
Has he conceded?
You can read his tweet.
He said, I think we have the election stolen.
I'm not agreeing to this fraud, but I will agree to the peaceful transference of power because they told him, we got Mike Pence, we got the rest of your cabinet.
They're all cowards.
They'll 25th Amendment your ass right now.
They only did that because removing him would cause a bigger backlash.
Maybe Trump...
Should force someone to do a 25th Amendment.
Not because he's going to not peacefully transfer power, but because it's a fraud.
So they're scared of the power he's still got.
dan friesen
The feeling that I get there is just denial.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That just seems like pretty thick denial.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that denial goes away by the eighth.
Alex does realize, ah, this is over.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
But on the seventh, there's still a sense of like, oh, no, he's just doing this because there's a metaphorical gun to his head.
jordan holmes
He's five stages of griefing.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, gotcha, gotcha.
dan friesen
And he does get into some anger, which is kind of fun.
And then more anger when he talks to the Q shaman.
jordan holmes
Was bargaining before anger or after anger?
dan friesen
Bargaining is the ad pivots.
jordan holmes
Oh, so we're...
It would make sense that he's always grieving.
dan friesen
Yeah, keep me on air.
And we'll fight the globalists.
That's bargaining.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
So Alex has Taylor Hansen back on, who was the guy who got some video of the shooting in the Capitol.
jordan holmes
Fourth Hansen brother, yeah.
dan friesen
Yes.
Bop.
Oh, almost a spit take.
Almost.
jordan holmes
I was almost a spit tank.
You got me.
dan friesen
I apologize.
I made that clarification in our last episode that I got it mixed up.
They're very vague, or they were on the 6th while they were covering stuff.
There are two pieces of video that are going around, and I got the reference wrong on them.
There's one that was shot by Infowars camera person, and then there's some that was shot by Taylor Hansen.
The reason that I got it confused is they never clarify that, and they interview Taylor Hansen.
Taylor Hanson, as somebody who got video of the stuff around the time that they're playing the video that the Infowars person got.
So I made a hasty assumption.
jordan holmes
They weren't helping.
dan friesen
No, but he's back.
And they're really...
I get the sense that they're working on a narrative where Chuck Schumer called for the killing.
jordan holmes
Love it.
alex jones
All right, Taylor Hanson was there.
I'm Alex Jones, though, and Schroyer.
You were there when this poor lady, Ashley Babbitt, got executed along with three other Americans.
They won't even tell us their names.
They're calling us the terrorists, but they were killing us.
You were there describing, you talked to her before she died, what happened, what you witnessed.
And the fact you saw Chuckie Schumer, look, it was his security detail that he was, I guess, one of the blood sacrifices.
We know, remember he threatened Trump.
He said, if you ban abortion, we will annihilate you.
You will pay.
He was like, well, these are our babies.
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Baby feast.
unidentified
I would watch that movie I just...
dan friesen
Is that like Boss Baby?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Lunchtime for Boss Baby?
jordan holmes
A little bit different.
dan friesen
I don't know, man.
jordan holmes
It's very much not Boss Baby.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't find this to be a responsible line for him to be taking.
It's like trying to imply that Schumer was like, kill her for blood.
Blood sacrifice.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's very, very shitty.
jordan holmes
It is real weird whenever you're like, hey, it was Antifa who did all that.
Now, obviously, we need to get all the patriots to kill Chuck Schumer.
To keep Antifa from doing all of that stuff that we wanted to happen, but we said we didn't.
dan friesen
It is really almost like a thing you have to diagram in your head.
The points that are trying to be made are so confusing.
But that should be expected, because people like Taylor are involved as sources of information and analysis, and he's the kind of guy who got into this because of Q. I believe Q, like what you were saying, Alex, is it was a great thing when it first started.
unidentified
It was a way to introduce people to all the evils of what these globalists are doing, all this pedophilia, all this satanic worship, all these sacrifices.
And that's how I personally got red-pilled.
But it led to me doing more independent research, and I think that's what's great about Q is...
They do their own research.
They don't just trust fake news.
And I think that was a great topic about it.
But the real downfall of it was trust the plan.
As you said, you know, you got people staying home when Trump himself are telling them to come.
dan friesen
So he's got, he got red-pilled by QAnon.
And his only complaint about it is that trust the plan idea, which is like, you don't have to get active.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
But then his comment was that more people should have come on the 6th?
dan friesen
Apparently, yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But...
jordan holmes
Okay.
But what happened was bad.
dan friesen
Well, no.
Everything that happened was good except for the part where they went into the Capitol.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And stormed it and did all that stuff.
jordan holmes
So they think that if more people had been there to storm the Capitol...
dan friesen
No.
It wouldn't have happened, because they would have seen the Antifa provocateurs.
Like, every single person is a pair of eyes.
And any one of those pairs of eyes could have been the one that spotted the Antifa provocateurs and averted this whole thing.
One man, if one man had been there named Alex Jones, he would have tackled them.
jordan holmes
So it's a percentages thing.
dan friesen
Something like that.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
Great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great.
dan friesen
The way that they are looking at this is like, it was the perfect day that got ruined because of Antifa pulling a false flag on us.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's the way it's being presented.
jordan holmes
It's really, really frustrating.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it's pretty frustrating, too, because it's one of the first instances I think I can think of of Alex showing some vulnerability.
Like, he's just yelling about how Antifa kicked their ass.
alex jones
I'm kicking myself because they were going to false flag.
They said they were.
And I was so busy focusing on Trump and a million people that we let them screw us.
And I don't admit that Antifa kicked our ass and set us up with a gigantic victory because I'm proud for them.
owen shroyer
I don't want it to happen next time!
I'm pissed off!
The problem was it was a million of us there.
It was a million of us there.
jordan holmes
He does have to piss.
dan friesen
So he just left.
jordan holmes
It's a real angry pee.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, when you're getting older, your prostate gets all inflamed when you get all angry, hopped up on so much fucking...
Yeah.
dan friesen
False flag bathroom break.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He does actually go to the bathroom.
And while he's out, Taylor's still there.
And he's also on the same script, which is this, like, bringing some of these Q people into this fold.
unidentified
And I know a lot of people that still believe in Q. I mean, I have a lot of friends, you know, I have I have family that believe in Q. And now you're seeing them freak out.
You know, I was on Twitter scrolling through last night because I was wondering the same thing, you know, after I mean, because Trump basically conceded last night.
He told the entire nation that he's going to turn it over to Joe Biden and he's going to be the president of the United States, which is not the plan.
So these people are freaking out already.
I mean, yeah, some of them probably are kind of being a little bit biased and wanting to trust the plan still.
But that's not going to work.
All it was was a plan to keep us complacent, a plan to not keep us on the streets doing activism that can actually make a change and a positive impact to help Donald Trump.
jordan holmes
You guys went home.
You could have stayed out on the streets.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
You remember in Portland?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They stayed out on the streets.
Antifa didn't stop them.
dan friesen
But Alex did tell people to respect the curfew.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I think it was Alex who took them off the streets.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I find this all to be really sad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is.
dan friesen
Just sad posturing among right-wing scam artists trying to...
Trying to stake their claim on victims, you know?
Just trying to stake their claim on people who they can manipulate, and it's a bummer.
jordan holmes
It's a reshuffling.
It's like the tide came in.
dan friesen
But it's also like, you think about that, and it's like, well, it seems pretty clear to me, looking at this, that that's kind of what's going on.
And I don't know how you could hear a clip like this and think that any of your preferred right-wing media outlets have any integrity.
alex jones
How big is that, Owen, that Obama says we've got to shut down the alternative media ecosystem?
They listed InfoWars.
They listed Newsmax, who's not even, they're okay.
They listed OAN, who's great.
They listed Gateway Pundit.
I mean, there's not many people out there.
Hey, drugs used to be a great guy.
Came to the studio, knows what's going on.
Trump wouldn't financially support him or whatever.
He got let CNN buy him out, I'm told.
My point is, there's not many holdouts out there.
dan friesen
So, the entire right-wing media ecosystem was largely driven by Drudge for a very long time.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
For the last, since the Clintons.
jordan holmes
Basically, yes.
Yeah, I remember my dad reading Drudge in the 90s.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It really warped a lot of the media line in shows like Rush and Hannity.
jordan holmes
If it weren't for Drudge, we probably wouldn't be in the same situation we're in.
dan friesen
It was a clearinghouse for the talking points of the right-wing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And now Alex is suggesting that he doesn't like Trump anymore because Trump wouldn't pay him off.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What the fuck?
jordan holmes
No, you get it?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, if the president doesn't pay you off for good coverage...
Then it's your responsibility as a principled person to sell to CNN.
dan friesen
And that will completely alter your coverage.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
Look, your integrity never stays.
Dan, you know, like, if we suddenly took a shit ton of money from, I don't know, let's say Jeff Bezos, obviously our coverage wouldn't change.
dan friesen
I'd replace you with an echo.
I'm Dan.
I'm Alexa.
unidentified
I'm Alexa.
jordan holmes
Dan, we love your show.
We're going to give you $20 million, but you know the guy.
You know the white...
dan friesen
Jordan, we're going to replace it.
We're going to transfer his consciousness into Amazon Echo.
jordan holmes
That way we can turn him off.
dan friesen
I don't have to say Neighbors anymore.
I can turn the volume.
Yes, exactly.
So, yeah, I mean, I just, I don't understand how anybody can think, like, that they have any kind of, like, calling it alternative media is laughable when you're like, Matt Drudge didn't get money from Trump, so he...
jordan holmes
So he sold to CNN.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's alternative.
dan friesen
So he turned on him.
jordan holmes
Your alternative is the highest bidder?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, this next clip I just kept in because I just, like, no fucking way.
Alex takes some calls, and this guy, no way.
No way.
jordan holmes
I got you.
I hear you.
unidentified
And also, too, I don't know if these numbers were accurate, but I was watching everything live on your radio show yesterday.
And congratulations, because it showed that you had 1.6 billion viewers.
And that's amazing.
Congratulations, man.
That just warmed my heart.
I snapshotted it.
dan friesen
1.6 billion.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
I'm writing something down.
I need to add exclamation points real quick.
The first word is no.
Let me add the second exclamation point.
And it is way.
That would be no way.
No way.
Two exclamation points.
One for each word.
unidentified
1.6 billion listeners to InfoWars.
dan friesen
From where?
jordan holmes
From where?
dan friesen
To the radio show!
It's not happening.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So we end here on this next clip from January 7th.
And I gotta say, I found this episode to be largely unlistenable.
Like, I really didn't even think it was a show.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It kind of felt like Alex trying to figure out what the narrative was gonna be.
And it's just like, alright, Antifa did this.
They tricked us by, you know, instigating.
And then they went away.
And all the patriots got really excited.
And they had to fight back because now the police were attacking them.
Sure.
You know, like that.
He's sort of talking through it to get his bearings about it.
And it's just not an interesting show at all.
jordan holmes
It's a man licking his wounds in the posture of somebody who won.
dan friesen
And trying to figure out what's damage control.
What's the angle that we can move forward with.
And at the end of the episode, he's pretty clear that he doesn't really have a problem with what happened.
alex jones
Yeah, folks.
America's gone.
We killed all the babies.
We devil-worshipped.
And God took his support away.
We've got to fight back and take it back.
And so I want to say this.
I'm proud of the folks who went to the Capitol.
Quite frankly, that Capitol is so evil.
People under the Declaration of Independence had a right to absolutely burn to the ground.
I don't support that because I don't think this is my right move.
I want to take it back politically.
But the point is, is that we're not the ones burning down police stations and killing people.
We're responding to that.
They started it.
The globalists started it.
And we're not ashamed of anything.
And Trump should come out and expose Antifa for triggering the riots and stand up against it.
dan friesen
So that's sort of where we're at.
jordan holmes
I think a lot of people would 100% believe Trump if he just said that it was Antifa.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
jordan holmes
I think it would be easy, because remember the address that he gave before the riot?
I mean, the storming of the Capitol building of the United States of America, a nuclear power?
Yeah.
He said all those things that were like, I bet it's going to be Antifa who's going to take over the Capitol building in just a short period of time, and so this will prove him correct.
dan friesen
I mean, there is a rich tradition of people blaming their enemies for things.
jordan holmes
It does seem very easy to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I hate to say that I think you're right, that you probably could pull it off.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
To a certain audience.
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Which would be 80% of Republicans.
dan friesen
At this point.
So, Alex, now on the 8th, on Friday, he starts off his show with a bit of a different tone.
I think he's accepted at this point.
That Trump has conceded.
alex jones
Alright, the globalist info operatives do not want you to take political action.
They want to freeze you right now, believing everything's fine.
It's not.
Trump is not in a secret location in Texas.
He's surrounded in the White House.
That is not a CG video.
The president did concede the election yesterday.
Last night.
dan friesen
So, he is up to speed with reality somewhat.
jordan holmes
Right.
New lines, new text messages from the people who tell him that Trump conceded.
dan friesen
I believe that there, you know, I don't keep up to date fully on the Q stuff, but it's my understanding that some people were speculating that it was a deepfake or something like that.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, I like that.
dan friesen
The video Trump conceded.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is not into that.
But also, by this point, on the 8th, there were pictures coming out, and a lot of the people who were there and look very suspicious...
jordan holmes
Antifa?
dan friesen
Well, maybe.
But they all...
They also seem to be wearing, like, Oath Keepers shirts, and they kind of look like a militia.
jordan holmes
Yeah, who dresses like a militia other than Antifa, Dan?
dan friesen
Right.
So Alex has to now incorporate that into the cover of it.
So Antifa started it, which we've established here on the 7th, and now as we get into the 8th, Alex has to explain why there's also militia people there doing shit.
jordan holmes
It's tough to explain.
alex jones
Oh, it's all Trump's fault.
Oh, he got the big crowd there to do this.
No, he was not even done speaking.
He hadn't even started speaking.
jordan holmes
You were there!
alex jones
Before Antifa dressed up as patriots started attacking with another contingent of older-looking people who I believe will end up being a militia controlled by feds.
Militias are constitutional.
They're not bad.
I'm not saying militias are bad.
I'm saying they lead them, they set them up, and they create false ones.
And looking at the MO, the body language, the gear, the behavior, I believe it'll be a militia led by feds.
That's my prime analysis, almost always exactly accurate.
dan friesen
That sounds almost exactly like what he was saying about Boston bombing.
Oh, I look at the body language on these people.
Get the fuck out of here.
He's making shit up.
jordan holmes
How's our boy Stuart Rhodes doing?
Have we heard from him?
dan friesen
Also conspicuous in his absence.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's conspicuous in his absence?
Why?
dan friesen
I don't know.
It seems like Alex would want to get him on as an expert.
jordan holmes
I mean, he's the Oath Keeper who could say more than anyone else.
Those guys are not Oath Keepers.
alex jones
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He could give a full-throated defense of his organization.
jordan holmes
Must be Antifa.
Oath Keepers are peaceful.
dan friesen
He seems to maybe not be answering Alex's calls.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's weird.
dan friesen
There seems to be a limited guest pool that has led Alex to interviewing the Q Shaman.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would get you to...
Where you are.
dan friesen
On this episode.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex is really mad at Q stuff on this episode, but he's, again, very much not wanting to alienate the Q people.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You can still redeem yourself, basically.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But also, Q made this happen.
This whole fucking thing.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This whole conflagration.
Well, yes, but Antifa wouldn't have been able to pull it off if it weren't for the dumb Q people who stormed the building.
jordan holmes
I want to learn ninjutsu.
alex jones
But there was another ingredient that allowed this to happen.
It wasn't just the Antifa.
It wasn't just the sheep-dipped militia.
It was the Q. The Air Force veteran, a wonderful woman, Mrs. Babbitt, loved her country, believed she was storming it under Q orders of the president.
And so it was the Q people right behind Antifa that did this.
And that is the facts.
It doesn't mean if you like the Q stuff, you're bad.
It doesn't mean that anything esoteric, like, oh, drive your dump truck to the Hoover Dam, drive your train off the thing into the ship, Hillary secretly in Gitmo, Trump's invincible, Pence is on our side, Attorney General Barr is on our side, everything's wonderful, go to sleep, Trump's invincible, don't worry about voting.
And now you see it.
So, there you go.
dan friesen
Outside of saying, like, Trump is invincible, Literally.
I don't think any of those things are things that Alex hasn't said.
Pence is on our side.
That's been a narrative on Infowars for some time.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
Bill Barr would go back and forth.
Alex would turn him villain and hero pretty regularly.
jordan holmes
That was hot and cold.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It was all over the place.
jordan holmes
That was an intense relationship.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I just...
jordan holmes
I don't think you should be allowed to say that wonderful woman if I know and you know in your heart that if you and your son and Gavin McGinnis were around, you'd be like, I know she's dead, but she's got great tits.
So you don't get to say that.
That's what I feel like.
dan friesen
That's just me.
That's fair.
So Alex has a source in the media about the fact that Antifa infiltrated the rally, and it comes from the old New York Post.
alex jones
Mo Brooks and Gates and said they were briefed that Antifa was planning to pose as patriots and do it.
That's what Matt Gates gets into as well.
Well, now we have the Newark Post.
We can put it on screen saying two people were arrested.
They've confirmed we're posing as Make America Great Again people with Make America Great Again hats.
dan friesen
So the headline of this isn't about them being arrested.
It says, quote, two known Antifa members posed as pro-Trump to infiltrate Capitol riot sources.
So it's a claim from sources.
And it's awesome, too.
Like, if you just get to the fourth paragraph of the story, you find this.
Quote, a Washington Times report initially claimed two other protesters were actually Philadelphia-based Antifa members, citing a retired military officer with access to facial recognition software.
But the outlet deleted the article after the software company told BuzzFeed Huh.
jordan holmes
Huh.
dan friesen
Huh.
It's kind of an article that has a nice headline for Alex, but it actually means nothing.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And he goes on and on about that, how two people were arrested that are known Antifa based on this New York Post story.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I think I hate this just so much because you can see the conversation that happened.
You can read that and go...
Oh, okay, here's what happened.
Somebody went to somebody higher up who was like, oh, shit, they did it.
What do we do?
What do we do?
Oh, just put...
It was Antifa.
That's it.
Like, they didn't think about it.
They didn't come up with some brilliant plan.
They were just like, just say Antifa did it and we'll wait and see what happens.
And it's disappointing.
dan friesen
Probably.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we continue down the road.
One of the things that is stuck from the 7th into the 8th is that Trump only conceded because he had a metaphorical gun to his head.
alex jones
Pence threatened the 25th Amendment removal of Trump yesterday morning and afternoon and said, if you don't go tape a message, Decrying your supporters and decrying the whole thing and saying you'll allow a peaceful transition of power to Joe Biden, which he already put out as a tweet that morning.
We are going to remove you.
We have the cabinet votes right now to remove you under the 25th Amendment.
They were just looking for the excuse, looking for the pretext.
dan friesen
was yelling about how, like, you know, I'm never going to back down.
Sure.
unidentified
He's like, all right, fine.
I quit.
dan friesen
Yeah, because otherwise you kind of got to be like, oh, he was just full of shit.
jordan holmes
You just...
dan friesen
And also, it would be a really difficult thing to justify that, like, why if he does have evidence that this was a false and fraudulent election, why would he ever back down?
Now he is backing down.
Yeah.
unidentified
That would seem to imply that either...
dan friesen
He was lying, or he's the sort of person who would allow a fraudulent election to stand.
jordan holmes
It does seem like that.
dan friesen
And that's tough.
And the only way around that is, hey man, Pence.
He had a metaphorical gun to his head that had a label that said 25th Amendment.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but Pence's metaphorical gun only happened because you held a literal gun to him, you know?
They're not going to wrestle with this.
I just see it so frustrating because if an eco-terrorist blew up the Capitol building and killed a bunch of people, I wouldn't be like, hey, listen.
We gotta...
No!
Goodbye!
You don't get to do that!
No!
I love the climate too, man, but no!
It's not hard!
dan friesen
It doesn't seem like it should be.
But at the same time, you don't make a lot of money scamming people around the ideas of climate change.
God, I should.
Yeah, that's the thing.
Alex has a house of cards that he's built that can get knocked over that he has to protect.
jordan holmes
Yeah, is Sean King busy?
I could probably work for him scaring people about climate change.
dan friesen
So Alex was there at the Capitol building.
For a time.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
On the 6th.
jordan holmes
Provably.
dan friesen
Yes, he was.
And a lot of people were reporting that he was trying to incite a riot.
And it was my sense from watching the entirety of Infowars over the course of the day, what I expressed on our last episode is exactly what I feel.
He was definitely saying things that look really bad in hindsight.
But once shit popped off real seriously...
I didn't see him inciting people outside of him doing an inciting radio show, which is what he does all the fucking time.
In terms of what he actually did at the Capitol, there wasn't a lot of evidence of that on the show itself.
But Alex does have video of himself, and he is trying to talk the crowd down.
If this video is to be believed as a full representation of his actions, he seems very much like, hey, everybody.
We have a permit to be over there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Everybody go over there.
And I think, like, I mean, look, dude sucks, but that's probably the best you could do in that circumstance.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And so he plays a little bit of that on the show.
unidentified
Listen to me.
Listen to me.
We've got a permit on the other side.
It's great that this happened, but the Trump's not going to come when we've taken this over.
We're not anti-so.
We're not the arrow.
You're amazing.
I love you.
Let's march around to the other side.
Fuck it.
Let's not fight the police and get...
jordan holmes
That was Antifa.
unidentified
We are peaceful.
We won this election.
And as much as I love seeing the Trump flags flying over this, we need to not have the confrontation with the police.
They're going to make that the story.
I'm going to march to the other side where we have a stage where we can speak and occupy peacefully.
Tell everybody behind you, march to the other side.
March to the other side.
dan friesen
Alex has the instinct to know in the moment that if this gets too much further out of hand, we're fucked.
This is going to be something that is going...
They will take the problem of right-wing extremism far too seriously if this goes any farther.
So I have to do my part to de-escalate.
And it makes sense.
It's in his character.
It's exactly what you would do.
jordan holmes
No, it's the gate of gates all over again.
She got out of pocket.
Look, I don't get into that kind of deep source stuff.
That's dangerous.
Now, obviously, I've incited that, said that.
I insisted that I do that, and because I'm so proud of doing that, I've almost certainly inspired other people to do that, but that's not my fault.
dan friesen
No.
This is his attempt to come back from the edge, as it were.
He's gotten things this far, and you want it to come back, or else you're in trouble.
jordan holmes
This mob is all independent contractors.
They don't work for InfoWars.
dan friesen
Like I said, the sense that I get is he just knows this is too much.
This is dangerous.
He's front on the other side.
unidentified
USA!
jordan holmes
No, no, no!
unidentified
No!
History is happening!
I salute you!
Tell everyone you do!
Go to the other side of the Capitol!
That's where Trump's gonna hang!
Hey!
We gotta...
Let's just move and then the people will follow.
Everybody get off that building now!
Get off the building!
Get off the building!
Look, oh shit, I heard people running up there.
Everybody come on up to the building!
We're about to the building for setting us up!
dan friesen
Good instincts on Alex's bar to yell provocatories for setting us up based on nothing.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
I mean, that's...
That is pretty remarkable.
This is a snapshot of what happens when exactly what you've been trying to get to happen happens.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you know that you never wanted that to happen.
You wanted to live in that in-between state where you can profit off the tension.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
This sex is supposed to be tantric.
You're not supposed to come all over the Capitol building.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And what happens is you get on your radio show and you make a lot of money exciting people, yelling, we're going to storm the state houses, you know, all this shit forever.
Yeah.
Once you're there and it's happening, you get on a bullhorn and you yell, get off the building.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's how it goes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
We want to do this politically.
No one knows what that means.
You don't even know what that means, Alex.
jordan holmes
I swear to God, if I am a person who is in the middle of trying to storm a Capitol building and some asshole just starts screaming USA and I just instinctively start chanting with, kill me.
Just kill me.
I don't want to be that person.
dan friesen
What if you're climbing on the Capitol building and then you hear the Texan get on the bullhorn and say, get off the building.
You're getting off the building, right?
jordan holmes
I'm not getting off that building.
I'm already up there.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably not.
jordan holmes
You're a bullhorn!
You can't tear me down!
dan friesen
I don't see it being ineffective.
jordan holmes
Well, past that, but if I'm on my way to the building...
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
And I just stop to chant USA, I guess, I think I might be a follower, Dan.
unidentified
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I think I might not be the tip of the spear I thought I was.
dan friesen
So, Alex has a path to victory that he wants to explain to his audience.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But he can't quite yet.
alex jones
You know, I need to do a presentation in here, and I...
Still working on getting the components I need, so I'm going to rebroadcast for a while.
It's no problem.
And then once I get those components, I'm going to come in here and I'm going to lay out the path to victory.
dan friesen
So he doesn't end up.
unidentified
Maybe.
dan friesen
I don't think he does do this.
I didn't hear a path to victory other than blame Antifa.
unidentified
Well...
jordan holmes
Dan, the path to victory is a narrow path.
dan friesen
Certainly.
jordan holmes
Very few can walk the path to heaven?
dan friesen
Sure.
During one of the breaks, it appears that Alex either did or is claiming to have talked to Mike Flynn.
And he has some news about Trump.
alex jones
We are witnessing Satan's full attack.
And I have been on the phone with the Flynn's.
I have been on the phone with many others.
jordan holmes
You went home!
alex jones
Trump is basically in a shell.
He is surrounded and he is basically turning on his supporters and has been told that he will be 25th Amendment if he basically says or does anything now.
So the President of the United States is captured.
He was buffaloed.
He was shanghaied.
He was bamboozled.
dan friesen
This is a good way to jettison Trump the person from the...
You don't need him anymore, really.
He has no real use.
You've already seen him humiliated, basically.
You've seen him turn tail whenever things got too close to what you want.
jordan holmes
Which is so surprising.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You've seen him bend to the whims of the people who are saying, like, you're going to lose this election because you lost.
You're going to leave office.
I'll leave office.
jordan holmes
Here's what's going to happen.
dan friesen
He's not the strong man anymore.
jordan holmes
Next week, we are going to find out.
And Dan, this is going to blow your mind.
Did you know that Trump had mob ties?
unidentified
Whoa.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
We're going to find that.
I guarantee you that Alex is going to suddenly discover this fact that he absolutely never knew before.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Five years later.
jordan holmes
Wild.
Wild how...
Did you know that Trump was connected to a lot of mob people?
I would even argue that that's maybe your way out.
dan friesen
Did you know that he's...
jordan holmes
Say it was the mob who stopped the Patriots.
dan friesen
Did you know that he was a frontman for consortiums on the East Coast?
jordan holmes
I did not!
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Did you know that with a name like Corleone you get arrested, but with Trump you don't?
jordan holmes
You know, it's almost like somebody who is already enthralled to medium powers would very easily be swayed by superpowers.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Strange.
dan friesen
So, there were, like I said, some deaths at the rally.
And, they're not rally.
Storming of the Capitol.
Yeah.
And there were a couple of medical-related ones, and there were also a couple of officers.
There were a couple of cops.
jordan holmes
Right.
So I assume since Antifa was there, those people went to the Antifa medical tents that were set up at every protest that...
dan friesen
Well, they went to the free kitchen.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, that's a great place, yeah.
dan friesen
No, Alex is going to lie about these cops.
alex jones
You had a...
A million people in D.C. conservatively that came there.
You had hundreds of thousands, 300, 400 thousands of capitals surrounding the whole thing.
Never seen anything like it.
And a couple hundred went in.
The police opened the gates.
They were downsized that day.
They were commanded to do it.
And then four patriots got killed and one police officer had a stroke and died.
dan friesen
So there are actually two cops at the Capitol who are now dead.
One was Howard Liebingood, who passed away on Saturday.
And at this point, there's some reporting that's calling this an apparent suicide, which is very sad.
The other is Brian Sicknick, who was assaulted by Trump rioters.
Neither of these men died from a stroke.
Alex is making that up to try and deflect from the human toll of his side's actions, which he can't acknowledge.
Yeah.
It's very sad.
It's very sad.
It's so obvious, this whole back-of-the-blue nonsense, and we support the police.
It's all covered.
jordan holmes
We just want to kill the left.
Can't you just let us kill them?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's meaningless.
jordan holmes
We want to kill Nancy Pelosi.
Let us kill her!
dan friesen
So there were only a few hundred people who went into the Capitol building.
It's not that big a deal.
Just a couple...
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
No, no, no, no!
No, no, no!
dan friesen
It's just a couple hundred people.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
It's not a big deal.
unidentified
No!
alex jones
Of the hundreds of thousands, a few hundred.
And who were the few hundred?
Almost all of them were in bearskins and weird outfits and Danny Crockett-type heels and they had Q-shirts on saying, I am Q-master!
We got one of these guys coming on.
I don't think he's a bad guy.
I think he got something into it.
And I get the doors are open.
He's a journalist.
jordan holmes
Go cover it.
alex jones
But most of them weren't looting.
Some people joked around.
I wouldn't go in their offices.
I wouldn't dig through people's mail.
That's a federal offense.
I don't want my house broken into or my office broken into.
So there was criminal activity.
But they've gone to Josh Howley's house.
They've gone to everybody's house.
They've come to my house.
They've come to Tucker Carlson's house.
And they come and they threaten people and they engage in this.
So, ladies and gentlemen, now is the time to get prepared and ready.
I don't know how long we'll even be here in this climate.
We've got storable food ready to ship right now at preparewithalex.com for the biggest, best company out there.
dan friesen
Pretty smooth.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Nice, nice ad, nice ad transition.
jordan holmes
I think these people might be a little flustered.
I think, you know what, I'm getting a feeling that the far right is trapped in this place where they're like...
God, we want to kill everybody, and what happened, we want to do again.
Yeah.
But we can't do it again if we say we did it the first time.
dan friesen
It was Antifa.
jordan holmes
It was Antifa.
dan friesen
Next time's gonna be Antifa 2, by the way.
jordan holmes
But I also have to tell people to do it another time, while at the same time telling people not in advance that it will be Antifa who does the thing that they do again.
dan friesen
And Trump will be president.
Right.
For a second term.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Even though he conceded, but, you know, he didn't really...
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He had a metaphorical gun to his head.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
And even if he did concede...
jordan holmes
We can put literal guns to everybody else's head.
dan friesen
You should have heard the demonic cackling that came out of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
Okay, okay.
alex jones
As soon as he said, I'm sorry, I'm conceding.
You saw Harris, and then it looked totally freaked out and criminal, and you saw Biden, now at the podium, just...
Harrison's like, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, Jesus.
unidentified
Ah, ah, ah.
alex jones
You were so mean to our BLM people, you abused them so badly in our Antifa.
And now we've seen a terrorist.
We're going to arrest all of you.
Finally, America's mine!
It's like a Little Mermaid when she sells her soul, her voice.
And Melissa says, I've got you!
jordan holmes
Now you're a slave in the pit!
unidentified
America's finally under the pedophile king's control!
dan friesen
Ursula was the villain in Little Mermaid.
jordan holmes
No.
As we know, Alex prefers the bad guys in every movie.
dan friesen
Maleficent was in Sleeping Beauty.
jordan holmes
Yes.
And that's an issue.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway.
Look, dude.
There's only a couple hundred people who are under the Capitol.
And also, look, dude.
jordan holmes
I am boggled.
That's a beauty.
That's a beauty.
dan friesen
You think that's a beauty?
jordan holmes
It's a beaut!
Come on!
It was a few hundred people in the Capitol building.
dan friesen
If you think that's impressive, wait for this.
They didn't even really want to go in.
alex jones
The Capitol Police stood down.
They were then ordered to let the crowds in that didn't even want in because I guess they needed to cover up the 100 Antifa and the other 50 or so Orange Hat guys that let in and did this.
And it's them breaking the windows out doing it all.
dan friesen
Yeah, man, the police were told to bring in these people who didn't even really want to come in because they had the cover for Antifa.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The orange hat people who are almost certainly Proud Boy related.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Dan, this is going to require a lot of, like, there's going to be a, to find a solution and a way out of this problem, which is to say that the right wing is all terrorists.
It's going to require a lot of diplomacy.
It's going to require a lot of compromise and thought and some concession.
That's just going to be true.
Now, on the other hand, I have watched a lot of superhero movies and they solve things by punching.
dan friesen
Ninjutsu.
jordan holmes
Now I'm not saying...
And one way is faster than the other.
I'm just saying, ninjutsu.
dan friesen
So, we only had a couple hundred people in there, right?
Whatever.
jordan holmes
I can't hear you say that without stopping.
dan friesen
They didn't really even want to go anywhere near the building?
jordan holmes
No, I can't hear you say that part!
dan friesen
Right, but also there's, you know, like, look.
They were probably hired goons.
alex jones
I was there!
Our listeners saw it!
Our listeners are like hardcore veterans and retired cops and steel workers.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, they were there too.
alex jones
We saw these skinny jean guys go attack the cops.
They finally got the cops to fight back.
Then these other guys came in as reinforcement.
These weren't skinny-jean guys.
They hired some tough guys.
dan friesen
So these skinny-jean guys are the Antifa guys, and they hired a group of goons who are much stronger than them because they're not strong.
And so they hired stronger people as backup to fight against the police or something.
It seems like this would be a job that almost nobody would take.
jordan holmes
In a certain sense, wouldn't that mean that anti-fascists were hiring fascists to do their dirty work for them?
unidentified
It would imply that.
Okay.
dan friesen
Because you would have to be, like, if you are that group of, I don't know, bikers, let's say.
jordan holmes
Whatever you want.
dan friesen
You would have to be willing to take a certain amount of money in order to...
Almost certainly go on a death mission.
jordan holmes
Yes, that is correct.
dan friesen
You would have to assume you're going to get killed for trying to...
jordan holmes
You're in the Capitol building of the United States of America, a nuclear power.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And you're just doing it as a job.
unidentified
Yeah, what?
jordan holmes
Five grand?
No, I don't even get five grand.
I'll do it for 25. Okay, I'll take two.
dan friesen
What kind of gone in 60 seconds kind of nonsense is this?
jordan holmes
It's the perfect crime.
dan friesen
They have all of the family members of this biker gang kidnapped.
I don't know.
What Alex is asking me to accept is a little bit too much.
It's a little bit sad.
jordan holmes
Not for my family, Dan.
They'll buy any old shit.
dan friesen
So we do get one person who answered Alex's call.
No Steve Pchenik, no Stuart Rhodes, no Roger Stone.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Those people seem really important to this moment, though.
dan friesen
Oh, very.
jordan holmes
I want to hear Stevie P's take on this.
dan friesen
Someone who's less important, though, and maybe that's why he can appear, there's not a lot of heat on him, is Joel Skousen.
He's somebody who can just come and go as he pleases.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
He's notably been somebody who's been harshly critical of Trump, which is, you know, why his power placement in Infowars world has dropped a bit over the last few years.
jordan holmes
But now we might be seeing it elevate again.
dan friesen
And he's anti-communist royalty, based on his relation to W. Cleon Skousen.
Right.
He shows up, and of course, everything's a fucking false flag to this guy.
So, of course, Antifa did it and what have you, but he has proof.
Joel Skousen does.
And he might have got this from another fellow we know named Lionel.
joel skousen
Well, the telltale case is every one of these people had backpacks, and in those backpacks were gas masks, weapons, mace, or other smoke bombs or other things.
Look, Trump supporters don't bring those types of things to a rally.
dan friesen
They had backpacks.
That's proof.
jordan holmes
Trump supporters don't have backpacks.
dan friesen
And they don't bring that kind of stuff to rallies.
That's exclusive to the left.
jordan holmes
This isn't fair.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
This isn't fair.
dan friesen
No, it's very dumb.
jordan holmes
This isn't fun.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
I don't like it.
They're mean.
dan friesen
It's pretty dumb.
But this next clip is absolutely mean.
So Skousen is saying that, like, look, there's going to be something really big happening.
There's going to be a false flag coming that's really big.
And Alex suggests, well, it's the Q stuff.
The Q stuff is the false flag that's coming.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Then...
Skousen throws Lin Wood under the bus.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah, throw Lin Wood under the bus.
He's already under the bus.
He's getting crunchy under that bus.
dan friesen
Now, I would suggest that the things that Skousen takes issue with are very similar to a lot of the things Alex says.
alex jones
How do you demonize a populist movement?
That's their goal.
They admit it.
joel skousen
Yeah, that's right.
You do it by these false flag attacks.
And I'm just trying to portray that it's going to be more than a truck bomb.
It's going to be more than Oklahoma City bombing.
That's been done before.
I think they're going to try to gin up some large mass revolutionary movements that, in fact, are going to be driven by agent provocateurs, not just...
alex jones
And that's going to be whoever these feds are, these globalists in queue, because they're already saying Trump's secretly in Texas.
He's about to order you to launch your military attacks.
That is so damn obvious.
joel skousen
That's right.
And unfortunately, you know, Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, they're listening to Q. Lin Wood published this rumor about the deep state is going to kill Donald Trump and all of his supporters.
I mean, that's just bullshit.
alex jones
Stay there, Joel Skousen.
I've never heard Joel Skousen say BS.
That's where we're at, folks.
dan friesen
I'd have a little cut there.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, Lin Wood saying that the deep state is going to kill Trump and his supporters is such bullshit.
jordan holmes
Such bullshit.
dan friesen
You're saying that to a guy who's said that a hundred times over the last couple months.
jordan holmes
And in waves, too.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Not in like a, oh, I'm repeating the same story.
No, no, no, no, sir.
There are new reasons that the deep state will be killing Trump very shortly.
dan friesen
And for quite a while, too.
jordan holmes
A long time.
dan friesen
Because, you know, there have been Diet Coke poisonings.
jordan holmes
From before he was even an- They were like, oh, they're going to kill Trump on day one.
Everything.
dan friesen
Alex said they were going to nuke the inauguration.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Did they do that?
dan friesen
They're going to fly a helicopter into the podium.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Jesus.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I mean, if Skousen wants to say that Lin Wood's doing his bullshit, then he should consider the bookings that he accepts.
Yeah.
Now, I won't take this away from Alex.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
You know, there's a lot of, you know, you got to give it up.
When someone's right, they're right.
Alex is a newsman at times, and he does sometimes come through with hard-hitting scoops.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And I will say that this is something I've not heard reported anywhere else.
jordan holmes
Okay, that is giving me hope.
alex jones
I can tell you he's eating at one sitting two steaks, five lobster tails, giant bowls of ice cream, and then eating prime rib as dessert and shoveling down piles of crab as dessert.
Other people that know him well, they say he's eating three times what he normally eats.
joel skousen
Well, he's not going to last very long health-wise.
jordan holmes
Heart attack!
dan friesen
Alex is reporting on Trump's outrageous appetite.
jordan holmes
That is...
That is...
Piles of crab for dessert.
I think Skousen is probably the person that I agree with most on this show.
He's not going to last very long like that.
dan friesen
I do like that as a response, too, because it's like, I know you're making that up, but I don't want to fight you about it, so I'll just say, well, that's not healthy.
jordan holmes
Sure, that's a bummer.
He really shouldn't do that.
dan friesen
So Skousen, one of the things I've noticed that he does a lot is just make stuff up.
joel skousen
Yeah, and what I worry about is, you know, over 100 of those people have been arrested.
But all the list of the 36 people they put in are suspects that they're looking for.
None of those were the agent provocateurs.
If they did arrest some of those agent provocateurs, I think they'll be quietly released because, you know, the high officer will be told, you know, these are our boys.
Let them go.
And that's what you never see because the press won't cover it.
The police won't tell you.
alex jones
Patriots never wear masks.
The whole thing is all the guys doing this were wearing masks.
And backpacks.
dan friesen
Oh, the backpacks.
jordan holmes
Okay, just so everybody on the right knows, if you were arrested at D.C. and then let go, you are Antifa.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
So, let's name them all by name!
dan friesen
No, but also, the problem with a theory like this, and the problem with a mentality like this is, like, you'll never hear about it if this thing I'm imagining happens, then you never hear about it.
Oh, wow, that theory came true.
That prediction.
jordan holmes
Amazing how it managed to predict a thing that didn't happen.
dan friesen
The fact that you never hear about it is proof of the reality of this conspiracy.
So, I would say that one of the big things, the big takeaways from this interview I think the Trump movement is really going to be looking for New leadership.
joel skousen
And Donald Trump's going to be there.
He's got an ego, I think, that when he recovers from this, I think he's going to try to lead the movement.
But I think we need to look to new leadership.
I really do.
alex jones
I agree.
And I don't want to be mean to Trump, but him being threatened with the 25th Amendment, folding like this, has wounded him severely.
And I just think he's going to still be a force and try to act like he can fix the Republican Party.
But again, he never had the intel to do it.
His kids don't have it other than Don Jr.
They just don't get it.
They just don't have the intel.
joel skousen
Well, that's right.
Donald Trump's children, you know, and I worry about the Trump legacy, Don Jr. running or Ivanka or anything else.
I think that's going to be bad for the moment.
These people have no conservative background.
They don't have the arguments.
They're just going to play the movement.
unidentified
And they're less sincere, in my opinion, than Donald Trump is.
I hate you so much.
alex jones
Yeah, I mean, I think Ivanka and Eric definitely.
jordan holmes
Deep and burning.
alex jones
And Don's trying, and I don't think Trump is trying.
I don't think he's...
It's not that Don's dumb.
He's getting better.
He just...
It takes decades to learn this, and he just doesn't have it.
joel skousen
That's right.
You've got to be in the movement.
You've got to...
You know, I've been in this thing for...
50, 60 years, and I have all my uncle's background and my father's background.
I mean, it just takes a lot of understanding.
Develop an instinct where you can smell evil, where you can smell the deep state and its presence.
And that's what we need to teach people to develop.
alex jones
That's right, we're not bragging.
We want to teach people this.
Exactly.
dan friesen
We need to teach people how to make stuff up at every turn and call everything fake.
jordan holmes
I just know how it feels to be Don Jr., because I, too, was a shittier version of my dad.
And I was worse at it.
unidentified
Uncle.
dan friesen
Oh, whatever.
But yeah, it takes years and years of, you know, just taking swings and being embarrassed about it to get over that.
jordan holmes
You gotta get rid of your embarrassment.
You gotta be embarrassed for the first year, and then you're free of it, and you can say whatever you want.
dan friesen
Yep.
It's like ninjutsu, dude.
unidentified
Oh boy.
dan friesen
Skousen is out.
And now we get to what everyone has probably been waiting for, and what I was the most interested in on this episode.
alex jones
But joining us is a man known as Q Shaman.
Jake the Barbarian, I guess, was his earlier incantation or incarnation.
dan friesen
So he's got the Q Shaman on.
He is the guy who made all the pictures of the guy in the fur and like a helmet.
jordan holmes
He had the horned helmet.
dan friesen
I don't know anything about this guy except for that he's the Q Shaman, and that's about all you need to know, really.
jordan holmes
I found out about him whenever somebody said, that guy's the Q Shaman, and I was like, I know everything I need to know about this person.
I heard his name was Q Shaman.
He chose that name and was fine with it, and I've worked backwards, and I know everything.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's like if you find out that some guy is the Riverside Strangler.
Well, he strangles people probably by the river.
unidentified
Yep, yep, yep.
jordan holmes
That makes sense about that.
dan friesen
I know enough.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
dan friesen
At the Q Shaman, he's a Shaman of Q Shaman.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's the Night Stalker!
Does he stalk?
dan friesen
At night?
jordan holmes
I believe he does!
dan friesen
And so, like, Alex plays a clip of him from the day, from outside the Capitol building, and I don't think Alex pre-watched this, because he's saying a lot of the same stuff that Alex says, and this whole thing was a setup that Alex was gonna try and embarrass him, and try and be like a dick to him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And unfortunately, he sounds like Alex.
jordan holmes
Okay.
We infiltrated.
unidentified
You can't move but 100 miles in any direction, and you've got a deep underground base.
alex jones
Okay, that's pretty much all true.
The guy can have a talk show.
He's very well-spoken, and boy, does he want to get attention in that outfit.
And, you know, I have some fun wrestling with Joker sometimes to get attention.
But the cue thing is problematic, and then he's in there in the middle of all this.
I say if you're a journalist, people go to the Capitol, go show what's happening.
dan friesen
So Alex was ready to play that clip, come back from the other side and be like, can you believe this nonsense?
But so he's like, wow.
I can't argue with any of that shit.
jordan holmes
Well, I was talking to David Duke, and it turns out we agree on a lot of stuff, and it's a real weird situation that I didn't see this coming.
dan friesen
Yeah, these are the kind of things you would want producers to help you prepare for.
jordan holmes
Alex, Alex, Alex, you're crazy.
dan friesen
Well, it turns out that the shaman, who I refuse to call anything but the shaman...
jordan holmes
Why would he have a name?
dan friesen
His name's Jake something or other.
jordan holmes
Who gives a fuck?
dan friesen
He got arrested.
jordan holmes
His name's Q Shaman.
dan friesen
He has now been arrested.
jordan holmes
Put it in all caps, I'm a sovereign citizen of Q Shaman-o.
dan friesen
So he's a listener of Alex's show.
unidentified
Of course he is.
dan friesen
He actually really likes Alex.
unidentified
Of course.
jacob chansley
You can just call me Jake, Alex.
It's an honor to speak with you, sir.
alex jones
Okay, well, an honor...
I mean, I'm sure you're a great guy.
You don't call him like a bad guy, but...
I mean, if you say you're a listener, have you heard me warn the stuff that Q is not invincible and that Trump's in a lot of trouble?
jacob chansley
You know, I have heard those warnings, but, you know, I'm of the belief that Q is military intelligence, and I have a lot of faith in the military and military intelligence.
alex jones
Okay, well, I was...
jordan holmes
They couldn't stop you from storming the Capitol building!
alex jones
I literally talked to all the top people, okay?
And they're all surrounded and cut off, and the TICOMs are taking over.
They tell me we're in desperate straits.
dan friesen
See, what I find really remarkable about this is that he is one of, I mean, I don't know how much there is uniformity of belief, but a large part of the Q world does not like Alex.
So he happens to be someone who's fairly high profile in the Q world, who also happens to like Alex, and is trying to have this conversation with Alex that he doesn't, I don't think he realizes is a setup.
jordan holmes
Alex is trying to be like, ha ha, you're so stupid!
Yeah, he has no idea.
He's like, I believe the same thing as you do!
dan friesen
He's trying to use the shaman as a prop in order to delegitimize the QAnon stuff as part of the continuing get people back from Q. Right.
jordan holmes
But here's what Alex could have said immediately.
Okay, you believe that Q is military intelligence.
Military intelligence absolutely must have known you were going to be at the Capitol building and did not stop you.
dan friesen
Right, but the argument there is that they wanted them to.
jordan holmes
Right.
So, Q betrayed you, Q Shaman?
dan friesen
No, not at all.
Q Shaman loves what happened on the 6th.
unidentified
Then...
alex jones
It's not being defeatist to tell America we're in trouble.
We need the general public to get involved.
You understand that when the general public thinks everything's fine, they don't get involved.
You understand?
And so if there could be a silent takeover because they don't know, then that's a problem.
Does that make sense?
jacob chansley
Oh, absolutely.
That's why I'm quite proud of what happened on January 6th.
alex jones
Okay, tell us how you're proud of it.
Tell us what happened.
Oh, God.
jacob chansley
Well, first of all, we are talking about a government that is literally telling people when they can open their businesses, when they can see and hug their families.
A government that is literally affecting the way or trying to affect the way that their citizens do.
dan friesen
This is a problem for Alex, because those are all arguments that he himself has made.
And now the Q Shaman is coming in and explaining to Alex that this is tyranny, and I'm proud that we stormed the Capitol because we should fight tyranny, which is also something Alex should believe.
jordan holmes
So he's Antifa.
This is Antifa.
unidentified
I don't know, man.
jordan holmes
The end.
We're all Antifa, Dan!
dan friesen
We're deep state Tifa.
jordan holmes
Nothing is not real, but also everything is not real.
dan friesen
This is really complicated for Alex.
It's a position that I would, if I were him, I wouldn't have put myself in, because I don't know if there's any way to look decent in this circumstance.
jordan holmes
No, it's not good.
dan friesen
It's the same thing with, like, don't interview Bill Ayers.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're not gonna win that.
jordan holmes
You're not supposed to be there.
dan friesen
No, it's a disaster.
jordan holmes
That's not for you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's not for you.
dan friesen
I know it sounds fun to yell at David Rothschild.
unidentified
Of course!
jordan holmes
You think it's gonna be great.
It's a bad idea.
dan friesen
You'll look dumb.
jordan holmes
You're kind of an idiot.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're so dumb that the Q Shaman looks decent next to you.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
And that's because he likes you.
dan friesen
And because he, like, I mean, I'm totally against him, and I think he, uh, everything I know about him, I don't support, and I think he's wrong.
jordan holmes
All I know is that he's the Q Shaman, and I agree with you on all points.
dan friesen
But!
There is a consistency to the beliefs.
He believes the same things Alex does and isn't trying to just scam people.
And that's the tension.
jordan holmes
I mean, it can't come off literally anymore like, hey, Alex, you said you wanted this.
I did it.
I'm proud of myself for doing it.
What's going on with you, buddy?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It's kind of a gut check for Alex, and I don't know if he's enjoying it.
So Alex is not into the idea of, like, storming the Capitol.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But he wants an abstract idea, like maybe a new Declaration of Independence.
And the shaman's not so into that.
jacob chansley
So to me, that sounds like treason on, like, the highest level.
alex jones
No, I hear you.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
alex jones
We have a right for a new Declaration of Independence.
I just think it needs to be done if we can't fix things peacefully at the right time, right place.
You can see how, though, Trump wants a 10-day investigation of fraud.
We were about to get it.
How storming the Capitol screwed all that up?
jacob chansley
Well, I don't quite see it that way, Alex, to be perfectly honest with you.
I think that, if anything, we sent a very clear message to the globalists and to the communists.
dan friesen
You sent a message.
jordan holmes
The clarity of that message is not there.
dan friesen
I mean, there's some elements of it that are clear.
unidentified
That's clear.
jordan holmes
That one's clear.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What was the other one?
dan friesen
I mean, I'm scared, I guess.
That's clear.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that, you know, the shaman believes that they're up against a treasonous government, and they sent a very strong message with their actions, and Alex can play this game where he thinks that there's going to be a new declaration of independence, but the shaman is not into that.
And he also doesn't agree with the idea that, like, oh, we were gonna get the ten days that Rudy Giuliani wanted.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And you all fucked that up by storming the Capitol.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And so Alex is trying to get the shaman to accept that the deep state, who he's supposed to be against, they actually wanted him to do this.
unidentified
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
alex jones
You know Antifa helped break down stuff and wanted this to happen.
I mean, you know the deep state liked what happened, right?
I know you think it showed them who's boss and all the rest of it, but you get my perspective that Trump's now capitulating in all this?
I mean, this is not good.
jacob chansley
Well, everybody has their opinion, Alex, and in all honesty, I understand where you're coming from.
I just don't quite fully agree with you.
alex jones
Do you think Trump's in a secret location in Texas and everything, and it's a CG of him capitulating?
jacob chansley
You know, in all honesty, I believe in Occam's Razor, Alex, and I only talk about things that I know for certain I can prove or things that I know beyond a shadow of a doubt are real.
dan friesen
Okay.
unidentified
Do ya?
dan friesen
Yeah, I take issue with that, but it's not worth getting bogged down.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm just gonna scream.
dan friesen
He's the Q shaman.
unidentified
Do ya?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You know, it's weird.
I can almost respect it.
Like, if you do that shit because what you believe in is that there's a treasonous government and you're like, fuck it.
I can't handle this anymore.
I'm gonna go overthrow the goddamn country.
And then you stick with it afterwards and you say, I believed that what I was doing was right.
I believed that it's necessary.
And sure, all of your beliefs are based on bullshit, but at least you believe shit.
dan friesen
It's indicative of somebody who actually isn't just playing games.
jordan holmes
No, it's somebody who cares.
dan friesen
And that's a little scarier.
jordan holmes
It's terrifying.
dan friesen
And at the same time, I can't get around the fact that he's the Q Shaman.
jordan holmes
There's that.
dan friesen
And you wouldn't be doing that kind of stuff unless you were trying to brand.
Unless you were trying to sell Q Shaman shirts.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Every revolution has colorful characters.
dan friesen
Yeah, but there's...
I mean, there's got to be a grift in here somewhere, but it's far different.
jordan holmes
Maybe he just likes dancing like that.
dan friesen
Could be.
Could be he just likes the outfit.
jordan holmes
But I'm just saying, I respect him infinitely more than I do Alex.
dan friesen
Well, we have to parse respect.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, respect.
I suppose respect is a form of fear.
I'm more afraid of his bullshit because he's a believer.
dan friesen
Yeah, I wanted to make sure people didn't hear you saying respect and be like, thinking you applaud or anything.
Yeah, there's a, like, at least there's a consistency.
And I don't think Alex was ready for that because I think that...
jordan holmes
He's not used to people who care.
dan friesen
No, and I don't think...
I think that he thought that this shaman was going to be some idiot, that he was going to be able to steamroll, and he's disagreeing on multiple accounts.
In a way that is not confrontational, but is just like, oh, I think we don't see eye to eye on that.
And Alex doesn't like that.
jordan holmes
There's something about underestimating your opponent.
I heard that you're supposed to do that.
Is that what you're supposed to do?
Underestimate all the time, right?
dan friesen
It's always helpful.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So I think that one of the things that I've always felt about QAnon and Alex and their relationship with each other is part of Alex's feelings about it is just petty jealousy.
And he's furious that everybody is talking about so many of the same things that he always had conspiracies about.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But they all think that Q uncovered it.
jordan holmes
It's for me!
I did it!
dan friesen
Yeah, I think he's a little jealous.
alex jones
And look, Jake the Barbarian, you're a very well-spoken guy.
Let's think about the Q thing.
You're talking about the Federal Reserve, the New World Order, secret technologies.
All this is real.
But then it's like, oh, Q, Q is why we know about it.
No, we know about it because of Cleon Skousen.
We know about it because of Ron Paul.
We know about it because of Carol Quigley being a criminal and admitting it all.
We know about it because of Matt Brackett.
It's not about the credit.
We're all public people.
jordan holmes
Sounds like it's about the credit.
dan friesen
Yeah, it feels like the intensity of it really feels like it has something to do with the credit.
It feels a little bit like that.
I don't think that if...
Like, let's imagine this is some sort of a fantasy world, and QAnon did manage to overthrow the world government.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't think Alex would take that as a victory.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
If everybody was throwing parties for Q Shaman for successfully overthrowing the New World Order, and everyone's like, Alex who?
jordan holmes
But isn't that such like, oh, I want to live in a fascist nightmare so long as I'm on top.
I don't want to live in a fascist nightmare where Q is running things and I have to listen to that asshole.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex doesn't want his right-wing fantasy world if it comes with Q. Exactly!
jordan holmes
Absolutely!
dan friesen
So this is the point where things, I think, really turn in the interview.
This is where it gets condescending.
Alex starts being a real dick to Q Shaman.
And it's tough for me to stand up for Q Shaman.
jordan holmes
No, I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
Don't care.
jordan holmes
Be a dick to him.
dan friesen
But, like, just from the standpoint of...
This is very impolite.
alex jones
Go ahead, Q Shaman.
Tell me what's coming next then.
I want to believe it.
Where is Trump?
You think this is a devastating victory you just had at the Capitol?
Explain to me and bring me up to the level of a Q Shaman.
jacob chansley
Well, first of all, allow me to say that I am not Antifa.
I am not BLM.
I know that there's rumors floating around online, probably disinformation agents spreading disinformation.
So start with that.
I'm a Q supporter, a QN on digital soldiers.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he's not Antifa.
And I don't think Alex is necessarily saying that he is.
I think that he's saying he was fooled by the Antifa provocateurs.
But you can hear that tone.
You're a shaman.
Why don't you tell me about what's going on?
jordan holmes
I feel like I would say it in a very similar tone, though.
dan friesen
But I don't think you would have the interview.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, of course not.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't think having this interview is a productive thing to do.
jordan holmes
No.
If we were in a bar, and I was, like, chained to one of the chairs, and had no choice but to stay there, and Q Shaman sat down next to me, and he started a conversation, eventually I would get to the point where I'm like...
Alright, Q shaman, you tell me what the fuck Q is up to!
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe, but Alex invited him on the show, clearly.
jordan holmes
See, now that's a little bit different.
I wouldn't invite Q into my home to then yell at him.
dan friesen
No, but Alex does, because he wants to mock the dude.
alex jones
What are you?
You are a...
Are you a Norseman?
Or are you a Q shaman?
What are you?
jacob chansley
I am a shamanic practitioner, okay?
I'm a spiritual warrior.
And if you really want to know what's really going on, what is really going on is we are changing the quantum realm, sir.
This is spiritual warfare.
And we understand that DC is built on ley lines, electromagnetic ley lines, and we understand that yes, The Satanists, the Luciferians, the globalists, the nihilists, the Nazis, these people that have infiltrated our government are practicing black magic.
They are doing evil, sick, satanic ceremonies and rituals where they're sacrificing children and drinking blood and all that stuff.
And the hub of it is in D.C., in London, and in the Vatican.
If we understand that these things are like acting like beacons for this low-frequency demonic energy.
alex jones
Okay, brother, I know the globalists are into weird stuff.
I'm trying to explain to you.
Q told us that Trump was invincible and Hillary was in a prison, right?
So I'm saying, Trump was going to be there in 12 days then?
jacob chansley
I'm answering your question and interrupting.
So here's the thing.
unidentified
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
Q Shaman, for whatever, I mean, I guess you probably guessed this based on the fact that he stormed the Capitol building.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He has a pretty healthy sense of self.
jordan holmes
Does not give a fuck.
dan friesen
Pretty intact ego.
jordan holmes
That is well done.
Alex, I don't know if you know this or not, but I stormed the Capitol building wearing assless chaps.
alex jones
And a helmet?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Are you gonna interrupt me like I give a fuck about you?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Your diversionary questions are not important to me.
I'm going to answer the question that was asked.
unidentified
Sir.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, he's a shaman, and, you know, whatever.
I don't begrudge people for, or I don't even look down on the idea of spiritualism or whatever practice you want to have.
That would not be the angle I would take to make fun of this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But he does think that...
They prayed in the Senate, and they did some magic.
jacob chansley
So here's the thing.
Because Washington, D.C. is built on ley lines, right?
It's built on the electromagnetic ley lines of the Earth.
When we ended up going to D.C., when we were shouting USA, when we were shouting freedom, when we were shouting four more years, we are literally affecting the quantum realm.
alex jones
We're like pygmies dancing around a fire, or Navajo doing a ghost dance.
It's going to make the white man go away?
jacob chansley
Because sound supersedes electromagnetic activity, okay?
jordan holmes
Sure.
jacob chansley
Now, by marching into the Capitol, by affecting the quantum realm in that way, we actually took back the Capitol building for God.
I said a prayer inside the Senate.
I sang my shamanic song inside the Senate, and I broke up all that negative...
alex jones
Okay, so you're like a...
jordan holmes
Shit, we're fucked.
alex jones
Give us your shamanic song right now on the air.
jacob chansley
Or do you want to talk?
Because I'll just let you talk about this.
alex jones
No, no, no, no, no.
My God, I'm learning.
Occam's Razor is a shamanic.
jacob chansley
Then do me a favor and let me finish my break.
alex jones
I'm going to let you finish.
Matt Brackens here as well.
We're now learning the secret of Q power.
He is a Q priest.
It is a religion.
Everything's fine.
jacob chansley
I don't know about all that.
dan friesen
I think that he can tell that Alex is being a dick to him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
See, now if we're in a bar, I'm still chained to my chair, and he's coming back at me with that.
I'm like, all right, buddy.
Now we can talk.
dan friesen
There's some humanity there more than, like, Alex's shit.
jordan holmes
Or are you gonna let me finish my poem?
dan friesen
So, at this point, Alex goes the only route that he really knows how to do, and that is he's just going to decide to make fun of shamanism as a way to attack this guy.
jordan holmes
Don't engage with the things that I agree with.
jacob chansley
Yes.
Listen, dude, shamanism is the oldest religion in the world.
They use singing, drumming, dancing, and they use elaborate, like, dress, you know, the headdress, the face paint.
And you saw how it ended up throwing evil spirits to change the quantum realm through...
alex jones
Okay, Owen Troyer has a question for you, and he's coming up after I leave if you want to talk to him.
Hold on.
I understand magical powers.
jacob chansley
No, it's not about magic, dude.
My little pony.
We're talking about physics here, Alex.
We're talking about physics.
Okay, this is physics.
jordan holmes
How are you talking about physics?
alex jones
You are a shamanic lizard.
We get that.
dan friesen
Let's just...
It's sad.
It's not a productive conversation for anybody, but it's because of Alex.
I mean, it wouldn't be a productive conversation if the Q shaman was talking to anybody, because you'd be talking about ley lines and magical...
jordan holmes
No, it's not magic, Dan.
It's quantum physics.
It's quantum entanglement.
You know what that means.
That means whenever an electron from a single atom is paired together with another electron, then for some reason, it doesn't matter how far apart...
Right.
dan friesen
I misspoke.
My point is that it wouldn't be a productive conversation with him and Cronkite.
jordan holmes
No.
No.
dan friesen
Or a rock.
But Alex brought him in for the explicit purpose of...
Trying to impugn Q, and now that isn't working, and Alex can't really do anything, which you'd think he would be able to.
He knows who Q is.
He should be like, I know these people.
Do you not understand?
Based on the things that he said, he should be able to completely deconstruct this easily, but he can't, and so the only thing he can do is make fun of this guy's spirituality, and that sucks.
That's childish.
jordan holmes
It does seem like the easiest way for Alex to go would be like, excuse me, Q Shaman, You listen to my show, right?
I told you two months ago that I knew who Q was.
dan friesen
I threatened to unveil it, and then I didn't.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so I'm just gonna tell you who Q is right now, and it's not military intelligence.
It's Dickface McGee over here, and that would be the end of it.
I mean, obviously, he would be like, that's not true, but then it would just be over.
You know, you wouldn't have to deal with any more of this whiny shaman bullshit.
dan friesen
Well, there doesn't need to be any conversation of, like, what do you believe?
What do I believe?
jordan holmes
No, I know them.
dan friesen
They're here.
Exactly.
Based on what Alex has pretended to be aware of and to know as fact, he shouldn't be having any kind of I believe you believe conversation about this.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
This topic is something that should be a settled issue for him, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But it doesn't seem to be.
jordan holmes
That's strange.
dan friesen
And it's really unfortunate to listen to because, like, the Q Shaman is just saying stuff that Alex agrees with.
And so he has to keep interrupting him.
alex jones
I'm asking you with your wizard powers why you were able to know that Q was the answer.
jacob chansley
Tell me.
Okay, Q is the highest levels of the military and the intelligence community disseminating above-top secret information to patriots in our republic.
This is full disclosure that we can take back our country from the communists and the globalists who are attempting to...
alex jones
Why does Trump leave Julian Assange in prison?
Why does he leave Julian Assange in prison when he's the real Q-type person?
jacob chansley
You keep interrupting me, Alex.
I love you, dude.
I love you, but you've got to let me talk.
alex jones
Highest level military intelligence.
Tell me more about it.
jacob chansley
Are you waiting for your turn to speak, sir?
Are you listening?
alex jones
Tell me about the highest level military intelligence.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex had Zack, his fake insider dude who was supposedly the other Q or whatever.
Alex has done all this shit.
All the themes behind what Shaman is saying here are the things that Alex talks about all the time.
Communists and globalists have infiltrated the government and this is an exposure of that.
It's all exactly the same.
Alex can't attack the meat of it without hurting himself.
He tries to distract with questions about Julian Assange.
Sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, I would interrupt that spiel, too, though.
I'm interrupting anybody who's trying to sell me a timeshare, and if you have rehearsed your little bit like that, yeah, you know what you're doing.
dan friesen
If you invite someone onto your show to sell you a timeshare so you can interrupt them to score points about how annoying it is when people try to sell you timeshares, that's kind of a dick move.
jordan holmes
Yeah, isn't that Sacha Baron Cohen's job?
dan friesen
Wow, there's more layers to it than that, but yeah.
So, like, I just see the way that he's describing, the shaman is describing his beliefs.
It's just basically a lot of the same stuff that Alex believes, but with a couple of different characters.
Like, there's just a different cast.
Slightly different.
jacob chansley
So Q is military intelligence disseminating above top secret information to patriots in our republic so we can take back our country from communists and globalists who have infiltrated our government at some of the highest levels so that they could bring America down from within.
This is infiltration instead of invasion.
jordan holmes
7,000 up front.
jacob chansley
And you've only got a yearly maintenance fee.
alex jones
I know about the New World Order.
Q tells us...
jordan holmes
You can use it in one of our rules.
jacob chansley
I'm not saying everything's fine.
You're interrupting me.
unidentified
Put him on pause.
alex jones
I can't handle this guy.
I don't know if he's for real or whether he is higher than a kite, Matt Bracken, but this is crazy talk.
dan friesen
It's crazy talk?
It doesn't sound any different than most of the stuff I hear on InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Not at all different.
In no way different other than he's saying Q before.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
That's it.
dan friesen
That's it.
jordan holmes
100% the same thing.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
So Alex decides that the shaman, this guy's an asshole.
alex jones
I hear you.
Matt Bracken, stay there.
I'm going to do five more minutes with you and the guest, and I'm not trying to be me and the guest.
If anyone wants to have him on, he's welcome to have him.
Or if he can have the guy back, we'll let him talk because it's very entertaining.
It's just that it's like I tell this guy, like, hey, I'm dialed into all that stuff, okay?
And they don't know what's going on.
Nobody does.
He's just like, highest level military intelligence!
Highest level military intelligence!
I mean, they don't even, it doesn't even, like, I tell people, like, real stuff, like, this is gonna happen.
Oh, Trump next week will have a thing on the ellipse.
No, it's not for five days.
It's all real.
Who cares if you talk to Trump?
We talk to the highest levels of military intelligence.
You know?
And so, it's just so frustrating to sit there and watch our people wake up, but then believe the charlatan garbage.
dan friesen
This, again, just seems like petty jealousy.
And, like, why am I not Q?
Why am I not as important as Q?
jordan holmes
It's so frustrating to see them buy those t-shirts with Q on it when they could be buying InfoWars branded pills.
dan friesen
And they could be buying...
jordan holmes
It's disgusting to see people wake up wearing a shirt with Q on it instead of taking two of these pills.
dan friesen
And they could buy my duct tape that I bought, or stickers that I sold that you could put over your mouth that say, I am Q. Yeah, totally.
jordan holmes
Totally.
What are you doing wearing a shirt?
This goes over your mouth!
dan friesen
It's a shirt for your mouth!
Alex has now turned the corner.
I really don't think that he likes this guy at all.
It's unfortunate.
Because the guy has been very nice to Alex so far.
Yeah.
But Owen wants to clear up one thing, because he's now in studio, because he's going to be taking over the fourth hour.
Matt Bracken is also there hanging out.
jordan holmes
Sure, just for fun.
dan friesen
Moral support, I guess.
Owen wants to know, like, hey man, people found an acting profile about you.
Are you an actor?
owen shroyer
I just want to address, you obviously said you're not Antifa.
I don't think you're Antifa.
The other thing people want to know about you is, are you an actor?
They found a profile that says you went to an acting school, so they think you're acting.
And this whole thing is just an act.
So would you like to address that?
jacob chansley
Abso-freaking-lutely.
Okay, so the whole reason why I have an acting profile is because I worked with children for five and a half years in group homes, traumatized children.
And I got chased out of the home with a knife by one of the kids that pulled it out of a locked cabinet.
And I decided that I wanted to do something a little bit more fun.
So I went into business for myself.
I developed my own website, my own YouTube.
I started writing books.
And I thought about, well, maybe I'll give acting a shot to earn a little bit of money on the side.
I haven't made any money as an actor.
I never got any...
alex jones
You're not an actor.
We got that.
We believe you.
They say I'm an actor because I've been in a few movies.
It's a total bull.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
He was almost in Guardians of the Galaxy.
dan friesen
True.
He was going to be Star-Lord.
jordan holmes
He was going to be Star-Lord.
dan friesen
So close.
jordan holmes
He's so close.
dan friesen
He just wouldn't worship the devil.
jordan holmes
He wouldn't take too much money for it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, hard-hitting questions there to dispel internet conspiracies that won't go away because this guy said he's not an actor on Alex Jones' show.
jordan holmes
No, no, no!
dan friesen
Completely a waste of time.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
Alex and InfoWars followers are well known for, if somebody says they're not an actor, believing them.
dan friesen
Alex is taking the approach that he's sort of trying to shame and belittle the Q shaman.
And I would argue that somebody who makes their business going around to protests dressed that ridiculously for the sake of getting attention, you're not going to be able to shame them.
You can't embarrass them.
jordan holmes
I would be surprised if you could.
dan friesen
Yeah, it doesn't work.
alex jones
Listen, you're a Q wizard, okay?
I'm asking you, does Trump end in 12 days?
jacob chansley
Does Trump end what?
alex jones
What happens to Trump?
Q knows everything.
You know military intelligence.
What happens to Trump?
jacob chansley
Well, you know what, man?
All I can say is I think that Donald Trump is a part of a much larger plan, whether that be a military plan, whether that be God's plan.
I think that when you look at harmonics, when you look into the way that energy, frequency, and vibration basically No, no, I'm not saying there's no harmonics and greater schemes and a pebble in the pond stuff.
unidentified
You're not saying that?
alex jones
I know all that.
What I'm saying, hold on, hold on, I'll let you talk, but I gotta say this, I gotta say this.
But Q told us Trump was invincible and everybody was going to Gitmo.
So I'm saying it isn't, oh, now the larger Q leads us once Trump's gone still, is what you're saying.
jacob chansley
Tom, what I'm saying, and this is you putting words in my mouth again, Alex, what I'm saying is that Donald Trump is a part of a much larger plan to help us take back our country from globalists and communists.
alex jones
He's the baby toe of military intelligence, sorry.
dan friesen
But Alex has said that, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
A bunch.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And, of course, this leads to its natural conclusion, which is Alex is going to blow up and yell at this guy.
jordan holmes
Have a little hissy fit.
dan friesen
Yes.
Yeah.
I just don't know what actual difference there is between their beliefs Exposing the globalists and the cabal, exposing the Chinese and the communists and the way that they've infiltrated our government, the way they've infiltrated our media, the way they've infiltrated our entertainment, the way they've infiltrated our economics.
alex jones
Yeah, we broke all that.
We know that.
I'm saying Q tells us stuff in all of its lies, is what I'm saying.
jacob chansley
You keep interrupting me.
alex jones
Because you're lying!
Goddamn thing out of your people's mouths doesn't come true.
And it's always...
Oh, there's energy.
Oh, now we're done with Trump.
You said he was the Messiah.
You said he was invincible.
You said it was all over.
They were all going to Gitmo.
Now, oh, he's part of a larger thing of Q. I will not suffer your Q people after this.
I knew what you were day one.
I know what you are now.
unidentified
And I'm sick of it.
alex jones
I'm sick of all these witches and warlocks and pumpkin popsums and everything.
unidentified
Oh, God.
alex jones
Sorry.
dan friesen
That was an uncalled for response, I would say.
jordan holmes
Dan, if he's sick of those witches, I think it's time to call Larry Nichols.
dan friesen
I think that, you know, I don't know if Alex had the same preoccupation with Guantanamo Bay as the Q folks did, but he definitely had a lot of, like, they're about to get arrested kind of bullshit.
jordan holmes
They're going to jail soon.
dan friesen
Trump is invincible is certainly, like, a theme of...
jordan holmes
I mean, he's literally chosen by God to defeat the devil.
dan friesen
Alex has said that a whole bunch of times.
There's not a lot of light between these two ideologies.
And I think that one of the reasons that Alex does do that fake blowing up there, The way he's presented Q and QAnon stuff is very different than what this guy is bringing to the table.
And for the audience to become aware that like, oh no, they're not all crazy the way that Alex wants you to think.
There's talk about the Federal Reserve.
There's talk about these deep underground bases.
There's, you know, demons.
Hey, I like that.
The elites are sacrificing kids and drinking their blood.
Alex is in on that.
Maybe there's something I should look into here.
Alex runs the risk of this blowing up right in his face if you get to see clearly that they're pretty similar.
jordan holmes
I think I would also argue that there's nothing Alex hates more than a mirror, especially one that's younger than him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because listen to the way he's talking, he's rambling, he's saying all kinds of nonsense, he's rattling off bullshit that he's memorized, he's unwilling to be interrupted for any stretch for any reason.
dan friesen
He's claiming his space.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
This dude is a person who loves Alex Jones, who has developed...
Much of his persona, clearly, around his love of Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's at least a strong influence.
jordan holmes
No one hates Alex, maybe, more than Alex.
dan friesen
And no one hates people who like Alex more than Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But you know what?
Owen kind of likes the Shaman.
alex jones
Ugh.
owen shroyer
I like the Q Shaman.
alex jones
I want to believe.
They'll never, when they're wrong, say they're wrong.
unidentified
Oh no, Trump's a small part of the larger Q universe.
jordan holmes
Ninjutsu.
Ninjutsu.
alex jones
Really?
No, you're full of crap.
jordan holmes
Ninjutsu.
alex jones
We don't want your last word.
unidentified
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, leave it.
alex jones
Is he Q?
We have Q on the line.
Yeah, sure, we'll get a last word from Lord Q on the other side.
dan friesen
So they go to commercial break, and they come back, and Alex is true to his word.
He is going to give the shaman a last word.
alex jones
I'm going to be nice to the Q Sorcerer, Q Wizard.
No, no, the official name is the Q Shaman.
He's hopping mad at me.
But people started to recognize something.
As soon as I showed up at the Capitol two days ago, Owen was right beside me.
He disappeared for several hours in a phone booth and came out as the Q Wizard.
dan friesen
Good bit.
jordan holmes
That's the bit, huh?
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
I would say that he's right to be really mad at him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so he does get his last word.
The shaman gets his last word.
And it's just a long plug for, like, his rumble page.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Because he's not allowed on YouTube.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
And then Alex calls him a lightweight.
jacob chansley
I got stuff on there exposing the UN.
I got stuff on there about aliens and their true...
The truth about aliens and where aliens come from, how they're actually interdimensional beings, just as much as they are, like, quote-unquote, extraterrestrial beings.
I've got a video on there called Just Take the Red Pill that's five and a half hours, that if you really want to know everything that there really is to know to get caught up to speed here and now, all you have to do is just watch that one video, and it'll explain a whole lot of things that most people just don't understand.
That's two endgames!
Okay, that's enough.
alex jones
I've heard the plug about you.
You didn't counter anything we said.
The whole cube image is completely full of crap.
And it's been full of crap the entire time.
It's a big, sick joke on us.
It probably just cost us the country.
Thanks for the call.
I mean, I just, I cannot...
Matt Bragg, you had to sit through 20 minutes of that insufferable garbage.
He's a well-meaning person, but he's a lightweight man.
It's all this Harry Potter, hocus-pocus crap, and we're in the real world.
I'm like...
I'm not going to tell this guy what's going on because he can't even handle it, but he just doesn't get it, does he?
dan friesen
All this Harry Potter crap.
Now I'm going to talk to you about the devil.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
The shaman who's dealing with ley lines and quantum physics just can't handle it?
dan friesen
Can't handle it.
jordan holmes
I think he could handle it.
dan friesen
No.
Alex wants to give the appearance that he has something deeper, but if he was forced to actually talk about it, it would be like when he's on Rogan and you realize, like, oh, he doesn't really have anything.
jordan holmes
He doesn't know anything.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
God.
dan friesen
That's really a dumb thing to do.
jordan holmes
I hate him so much.
dan friesen
Alex is not good at confrontational interviews with sincere people because they aren't running a scam that they care about what Alex thinks about.
You know, like, there's probably some emotional level.
a positive exchange with Alex.
Sure.
unidentified
He looks up to him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
But he also isn't invested in the InfoWars scam in the same way that all of Alex's guests are.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Matt Bracken has no other like media outlet that will ever talk to him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
No one gives a fuck about him And so he's part of the game.
dan friesen
Owen Troyer works.
Everybody that he talks to is at least in some way...
jordan holmes
Transactional.
There's a power dynamic.
Either Alex is higher or lower.
Everybody knows where they stand.
Everybody knows that they're working towards the shared goal of grifting.
dan friesen
And Alex can work really well in that space.
Or at least he can operate there.
Because people know not to contradict him, not to get too out of line.
If he interrupts, you just roll with it.
But, yeah, you got someone like the Q Shaman, and he thinks that he is higher on the totem pole.
The power dynamic is different.
jordan holmes
He just stormed the Capitol.
I bet that dude's riding a wave of adrenaline that is still going.
dan friesen
Well, he's in jail now, so...
jordan holmes
Yeah, and I bet he's fucking flying off the walls!
dan friesen
Yeah, it's complicated.
There's a power imbalance, but it's perceptional.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They each think that they're the top dog on this call, and it infuriates Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I imagine that the Q Shaman thought he was doing a victory lap.
You know, I just got...
The most national attention, worldwide attention.
My picture's on the world right now.
So Alex Jones is calling me because I'm fucking famous.
dan friesen
Yeah, and maybe we have some slight disagreements, but we can work that out.
jordan holmes
And I'm a fan of his, so I'll charm him up top.
We'll have a nice little conversation.
dan friesen
He's a rational guy.
jordan holmes
We agree with each other on everything.
dan friesen
Why would he not?
Take me at my word as a sincere person.
We agree on literally everything about the globalists and the blood drinking and the Chinese and the communists.
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait.
jordan holmes
Hold on, Alex.
Hold on.
Are you saying that I can't trust far-right media figures because they will cut bait and abandon me as soon as I'm not useful to them?
dan friesen
Uh-oh.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh, I might need to rethink nothing!
dan friesen
I mean, and also, not for nothing, Alex is far from the only person who's shitting on this dude for doing exactly what...
jordan holmes
They want to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And they were told to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's kind of like the most predictable thing ever.
jordan holmes
I wonder if anybody had said that this would happen.
dan friesen
So, Alex, look, if he was there, things would have gone differently.
He probably would have tackled the Q Shaman.
alex jones
Sure.
People wanted a rally.
Trump wanted it.
We had other rallies.
They were great.
I'm like, oh, the Capitol Police will handle it.
Yeah, Andy Vincennes are coming to disrupt.
They'll handle it.
And we should have been down there.
If I'd have been there with 20 of our guys, we would have stopped this.
dan friesen
Yeah, man, we would have stopped it.
jordan holmes
If I and 20 guys...
dan friesen
Of our guys.
jordan holmes
Of our guys, who are specifically very large, I hired them from the same people that Antifa hired from.
dan friesen
If 20 of our guys couldn't get 20 of them because they were busy at the time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they were hired by Antifa.
I mean, no, okay.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here from the 8th, and in the same way that the Out of Context drop that I'll get to this next segment, maybe, is a perfect, like, just...
Just boiled down Alex Jones moment.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This minute is, this is Alex right here, baby.
alex jones
The Sunday show, 4 to 6 p.m., I had the great job you're doing, Sunday Live, that's 6 to 8, with only six minutes of ads an hour.
We've cut it to just local ads for radio and TV stations.
We've cut our ads.
And if I wasn't partnered with GCN, who are wonderful people, I would cut us from the 14-minute ads that's customary in talk radio, you know, to less, just for locals.
But I love Ted, but I'm working on...
Just having local ads for you folks and cutting it to six, seven minutes of ads an hour just for local stations.
I wonder why.
Because we do our plugs once an hour live on air like I'm about to do right now.
Ladies and gentlemen, we've proven we're the tip of the spear.
We've proven that we're dialed in to as much as you can learn.
And believe me, you learn nobody's in control but God.
The devil's trying to be in control.
He's not in control.
And man's trying to be in control.
That's a joke.
So G-G-Ping and communism claiming government can be God?
It's a lie.
Q claiming everything's great and everybody's got a plan?
That's a lie.
The only plan is Jesus Christ's plan.
I'm here to tell you that.
Only trust in God.
That's the only perfect thing there is.
Infowarsstore.com, though, gives you what God created.
Our official, our turmeric bonkers.
unidentified
Woo!
Woo!
dan friesen
That's good.
jordan holmes
Oh, give it to me.
Inject that into my veins!
dan friesen
That's the kind of ad pivot that will give you an overdose if you don't have a tolerance.
unidentified
You son of a bitch!
jordan holmes
God damn!
dan friesen
There's so many awesome layers to that.
It starts with him talking about wanting to have less commercials on the show.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And then he's like...
jordan holmes
Wanting to, definitely not...
dan friesen
Right, Ted Anderson won't let him.
Yeah.
Interesting.
That business relationship.
But then he's like, you know, we do our ads on the show, like I'm about to do.
Then he starts talking about how God's plan is.
So that was intended to be part of the plug.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
And then you trust God's plan.
In an Infowars store, we got all the stuff that God made.
unidentified
Oh, baby!
dan friesen
Like krill oil.
jordan holmes
I don't know if you can possibly take the...
Like, by definition.
There were ten of them.
Pretty important to people who love the Bible.
I'm fairly certain that you cannot take God's name in vain more than he just did.
I think that's the most you can do.
dan friesen
There was some vainness to it.
jordan holmes
There was a little bit of vainness there.
dan friesen
I find this stretch right after the storming of the Capitol at the end of last week kind of interesting, but also kind of Kind of...
I don't know.
I guess what you'd expect.
You know, it is...
jordan holmes
Sorry to regress for one second.
dan friesen
No, no, go ahead.
jordan holmes
But on our next episode, I would like you to play just the short clip of him saying, we've proven that we're the tip of the spear right next to...
Go home!
Go home!
unidentified
Curfew!
jordan holmes
Go home!
dan friesen
Respect the curfew.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Tom Papert saying he sent his reporters home.
Oh, I'm sorry, the women reporters home.
jordan holmes
We've proven we're the tip of the paper.
Sorry for interrupting you.
dan friesen
Oh, no, that's fine.
jordan holmes
I just needed to get that out.
dan friesen
I would be lying if I said that any of this surprised me.
Like, Alex's behavior is very predictable.
You know, you want the ride to the...
You don't want the storming to actually happen.
He needs that state prior to conflagration to make money off of, because let's say they had set fire to the Capitol building.
Then investigations would be very crippling to right-wing organizations, militias, figures.
Not good.
If more people had died, it certainly would be far more serious.
And Alex can't profit in that ecosystem, that environment.
And so, obviously, this is...
Put the blame on somebody else.
This is a false flag because they were scared of how close we were to getting that 10 days that Rudy wanted and we'd overturn the election.
And also at the same time, Trump has shown his ass and so he's too weak and we need to look for new leadership.
It's all very predictable.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's just so brutal.
It's so brutal that the tactic after this is not...
Because it's so obvious.
All right, you see the way he acts now, and you work backwards and you go, oh, obviously he wants to rile people up into a state of constant fury, and then that will get him money.
Their emotional connection will get him money.
And then when they did something, he realized that that would cost him money, and so he stopped, he changed his mind, quote-unquote.
He betrayed us.
And so, we can't trust him anymore.
And instead, it's just, how about I throw two different types of cognitive dissonance at you?
All the time.
Into your brain so much and so hard that you can't even see through that I'm obviously in this for money.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How can you not see through that?
dan friesen
How can you not see through when he says, like, God's plan's the only one that's real at InfoRestore.
You can get what God gave you.
jordan holmes
You know what?
dan friesen
How could you not, like, think this guy is a fucking asshole?
jordan holmes
Totally.
Now that I agree with you, but you know what?
Peace time is peace time.
People are fucking lazy and full of shit.
This was a...
Day after the goddamn storming of the Capitol.
unidentified
Two.
jordan holmes
Two days after.
dan friesen
Day and two days.
jordan holmes
That should be fresh enough into your mind to where you go, oh, I got knocked out of the headspace that I was normally in, and it's just nothing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, I mean, we saw how quickly he went to, like, first of all, calling Sandy Hook a false flag.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We saw how quickly the Boston bombing became a conspiracy, and it makes sense.
Like, the fact that this is a giant event.
jordan holmes
Sure.
But he wasn't leading the Boston bombing, and he wasn't at Sandy Hook.
He was there!
dan friesen
But that's what makes it even more critical for him to make it a false flag.
A good thing that went bad because of the trickery of Antifa.
He has an even greater connection to it.
Again, this goes to one of the other theses that I have, and that is that one of the primary ways that Alex makes money is by profiting off of and exploiting tragedy.
And this is a tragedy.
No matter what ends up coming from it, and I don't think that we have fully processed the reality of the last week.
unidentified
Oh, no, absolutely.
dan friesen
And I don't think that you could.
I just don't.
It's staggering and almost surreal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know.
dan friesen
And nothing good.
It's not good.
And that is the kind of thing that Alex can make money off of.
The only thing I would say I was kind of surprised about is the turning tack a little bit about the woman who got shot.
I don't think that I felt him martyr building as much as he was the day of.
jordan holmes
Well, you can't martyr build and de-escalate.
You can only...
Do one or the other.
Once you got a murder, you're going up.
There's no going back.
dan friesen
It does seem that way, and I think the fact that she was really into Q kind of hurt his ability to create the perfect figure out of that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can't scream at how stupid Q Shaman is and then be like, this Q believer is also our new Virgin Mary.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You can turn them into a figure of...
Empathy and reverence.
Yeah, but the path that they were going down on the 6th couldn't be continued.
Anyway, I have a feeling that shit's going to be bad this week.
If the plan or the thing that's been speculated is that there may be another impeachment article coming down.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
On Monday, and if that's the case, then I would expect that Alex is going to have some choice words about that, and so we'll see what happens, but I don't see my future prospects of relaxing being that good.
jordan holmes
I do love how stupid America is.
It's incredibly stupid.
It's so unbelievably, ridiculously stupid to stop for one second and think, on Wednesday, the president incited a riot, and people stormed the Capitol building.
Because of this action, we will swiftly draw up articles of impeachment, which we will absolutely be delivering to the Senate 100 days after Biden's inauguration, thus solving the problem once and for all!
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, I don't know what else you do, but I don't...
jordan holmes
Ninjutsu!
dan friesen
Well, you got a couple years.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So we'll be back.
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
Not go to bed, Jordan.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
And if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work right now.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
If I had 21 guys...
I could defeat Alex and 20 guys.
Maybe not.
Probably not.
I'm not really much help.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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