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Dec. 28, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#514: An X-Mas Report Rebuttal

Today, Dan and Jordan look at Alex Jones' special report released on Christmas Day.  In this installment, the gents discuss Alex's very uninspired attempt to create a conspiracy theory out of the bombing in Nashville.

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alex jones
13:51
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dan friesen
29:55
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jordan holmes
13:46
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mike adams
00:31
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unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your room.
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around and drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan!
unidentified
Jordan.
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is something I've actually told you about already, and I'd like to continue my celebration of this, and that is Rolled Gold put out a flavor of pretzels.
They had two different sort of limited-time flavors.
One's a zesty buffalo, and I dare not try that.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
I'm too scared.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
But the savory butter.
I tried that.
It is so good.
jordan holmes
So good.
dan friesen
It's so good.
jordan holmes
Is it like buttered popcorn?
Like that feeling where you get so much butter on it?
dan friesen
It is right here.
jordan holmes
You can experience one, but don't chew into the mic.
dan friesen
Don't chew into the mic.
I would like to get your reaction.
It's so good.
It's like a harsh butter.
It's a lot of butter.
jordan holmes
It is a lot of butter.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It is maybe too much butter for me, but it's good.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's good.
jordan holmes
It's good.
I have eaten half of one, and I am full.
unidentified
You're done.
jordan holmes
It's very, very heavy.
dan friesen
Yeah, I expected it to be like an almost non-existent flavor.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Just a little suggestion of butter or something, but no, it's in your face.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well done, rolled gold.
jordan holmes
No, when we were talking about this, I was like, oh, this sounds like a flavor-blasted goldfish.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is exactly what it tastes like.
It tastes like a regular rolled gold pretzel, and then they were like, what if we just covered it in shit?
unidentified
What if we just inject it with butter?
jordan holmes
It does feel injected with butter.
dan friesen
So what about you?
jordan holmes
My bright spot this day is actually the original Final Fantasy VII.
dan friesen
Ooh, not the remake.
jordan holmes
No, on Christmas they had like a half-off special, so it was like five bucks.
So I was like, screw it.
And I started playing it again, and I am so happy I did.
And I'm happy that I did it after the remake, too, is because once I got out of Midgar, I felt the same way I did the first time I played it, which was just, oh, thank Christ I'm out of that fucking place!
dan friesen
Yeah, that's the feeling, I guess, the game wants you to feel.
jordan holmes
Totally.
The moment you leave Midgar and you can see the entire world in front of you and it shows you the world map, you're like...
Oh my god, I thought it was all gonna be in Midgar.
Remake is great.
It's really great, but it's all in Midgar.
The moment you escape, it's just amazing.
It really is beautiful.
dan friesen
You make a strong case for me to give that game a shot, and I may in the future.
jordan holmes
It's great.
It really is just fucking great.
dan friesen
It's definitely a big blind spot for me is pretty much all of the Final Fantasy series.
Except for the remake, which you made me play, and I enjoyed.
jordan holmes
You did enjoy, right?
dan friesen
That was pretty good.
Well...
I'm glad you're enjoying that.
jordan holmes
That is fantastic.
dan friesen
Good way to wrap up the year for you.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So we did not have an episode on Friday, and I'm gonna say I think it's probably good that we didn't.
I hope everyone celebrates Christmas, had a nice Christmas.
Everybody celebrates other holidays.
Sure.
unidentified
Have a great holiday time.
dan friesen
Or if you just don't celebrate anything, hope you had a good end of the week.
jordan holmes
Yeah, hope you had a good weekend.
dan friesen
I felt it would be emotionally draining for us to do an episode on Friday that was covering what Alex was doing.
And that was not taking his week off that he said he was going to take.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the week he said he was going to take off.
Instead, he did not take off.
dan friesen
He did not take off.
And kind of just not having a fun time.
jordan holmes
Not surprising.
dan friesen
I didn't watch all of his content.
jordan holmes
Turns out firing everybody made it very hard for me to take a day off.
dan friesen
Whoops, my only friend is Harrison Smith.
This sucks.
unidentified
I'm fucked.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
I thought that there would be a little bit of schadenfreude in it.
dan friesen
I think there would be a little bit of us wallowing around in the mud watching a guy blow.
I mean, there's some fun to that.
jordan holmes
We like watching Alex be miserable.
dan friesen
I know, but we did that already.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
We already did that with the first American Journal episode.
jordan holmes
That is true.
There is that.
dan friesen
It just felt almost repetitive and not like it was going to bring anything new to the table.
And I worried that once we came to Monday, what would we have to cover?
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Like, maybe there would be a Project Camelot episode we could have done for Friday, but...
If Alex actually had taken that week off, we'd need that for Monday or whatever.
jordan holmes
Could have been dangerous.
dan friesen
Yeah, and so it left me kind of in a lurch of what to do, and so we took that break, and here we are back on Monday.
And I think that this is going to be a slightly different episode, because we're just going to be covering a special report that Alex put out.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he put it out on Christmas.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
There's hatchet throwing that's implied.
jordan holmes
Implied hatchet throwing.
Ah, that's a little disappointing.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, there's no hatchet throwing.
jordan holmes
I need explicit hatchet throwing or get the fuck out.
dan friesen
No, nothing shall ever top 2018 Christmas Eve.
jordan holmes
No, that's too good.
dan friesen
We are going to be talking on this episode about Alex's immediate response to the bombing in Nashville.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's going to be what we take a little time to discuss on this episode.
Because I think it's...
You know, it's in that vein of things that I think are really important to understand about Alex.
And as we go into 2021, I'm Dan, this is 2021.
jordan holmes
Oh, yay!
Now I'm confused.
Now I'll have to figure something out for actual 21. How's that one?
That's my new catchphrase.
dan friesen
I'm into it.
That's the demon coming through the portal.
jordan holmes
Exactly, yeah.
dan friesen
I feel like as we get into that year one of the things I really want to stress and really run a Redouble my efforts on is looking at these things that like are really actually important about Alex.
Okay It's always fun to make fun of him Breaking down in the studio sure always fun sure always fun to laugh at like dad Oh, that's a great idea!
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Next, Josh O. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Thank you, Josh.
dan friesen
Next, Bri F. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Next, Amanda M. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Amanda.
dan friesen
Thank you.
No last initial, Lindsay.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Lindsay Lohan, until mentioned otherwise.
dan friesen
Yeah, until we prove it's not.
jordan holmes
Yeah, until we prove it's not.
dan friesen
The star of Herbie Fully Loaded, Lindsay Lohan.
jordan holmes
We got parrot-trapped, Dad!
dan friesen
Next, Emma M. Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Emma!
unidentified
Thank you!
dan friesen
Next, Nick S. Nick S. Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Nick.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on Elvated Love, and we appreciate that very much.
So, Pyrae, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And I say this with disdain.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare...
Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Pyre, and thank you so much, I say this with disdain.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoyed this show, I'd like to support these gents, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show, we would appreciate it, or...
jordan holmes
Or what you could do, if you are feeling like your generous spirit is oppressed by a massive global corporation literally sucking the life from the planet, then what you should do is escape from that place, take your generosity to, I don't know, I don't know, Jundin.
And then give it to a local charity or bail fund in specifically Jundin.
dan friesen
Sounds good.
jordan holmes
I would say so.
dan friesen
All right.
So, Jordan, I have a special report for you here.
Yes.
Released on Christmas.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I've not cut anything out of the special report that Alex is playing, except for one point where he plays the audio of the bomb going off in Nashville.
It doesn't really add anything interesting to the episode to hear an explosion, and the audio mix is terrible.
It is so loud.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
It would just blow out.
people's ears.
Great.
unidentified
It does make me think of that Bill Cooper episode, though, the day after the Oklahoma City bombing.
dan friesen
In that episode, Bill made a point to play the audio of the explosion, and there's kind of echoes here, except for Bill was doing it dramatically.
Bill played it repeatedly, and kind of almost like a chorus, and then he would say something Alex just...
jordan holmes
It was a call-in response to the bombing.
Kind of, yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex just plays, and it's very loud.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
All I've done here is I've just cut every time it's clear that Alex is doing a different take.
Because, you know, like, the audio shifts slightly, and you can tell that Alex just, like, ran out of steam, and they're like, let's try another...
jordan holmes
So he did a couple of takes?
Well, that's better than we've seen in the past.
dan friesen
True, true.
Let's do another sentence.
Try another sentence, Alex.
jordan holmes
Try it one more time.
dan friesen
Yeah, I get the sense he was recording from home, so maybe...
His wife is a better producer than Rob Doe.
jordan holmes
You can't say that!
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Oh, goddammit, honey.
dan friesen
So here's where we start.
Here's the beginning.
alex jones
Today, in the early morning hours of Christmas, a large truck bomb housed inside an RV exploded outside the AT&T main communications building in Nashville.
The individual, organization, or group behind the attack went out of their way to warn the public to get away before the bomb detonated by broadcasting for more than 10 minutes that there was a bomb on board the vehicle that was about to detonate.
911 also received a call claiming that gunshots had been fired in the area minutes before the explosion.
The FBI is now reporting that human remains have been found in the debris at the blast site.
dan friesen
So you can already tell, like, those are multiple takes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The 911 cut was almost Paul Joseph Watson-esque of coming in before the breath is finished.
dan friesen
Paul will, like, cut in the middle of a sentence, though.
jordan holmes
So infuriating.
dan friesen
I hate it.
So on Christmas Day, in case people did not hear about this, a bomb was detonated in an RV parked in downtown Nashville.
At the time of our recording, one of the working theories that people have is that it's possible that the person was targeting the AT&T building, which was quite nearby the blast site.
Sure.
unidentified
This, as a possible motive for an act of domestic terror, makes complete sense.
dan friesen
the trouble of carrying out a bombing, you'd likely want whatever damage you do to have maximum impact.
AT&T's operations in Nashville are housed at that building, so the potential disruption you could cause by damaging that would be huge, as we've seen from the fallout of the bombing itself, with some people still being without phone service today as we're recording.
This is all a very tragic turn of events, and my heart goes out to the people affected by this act.
Thankfully, there weren't any civilian casualties, and the human remains that were found there, literally right before we started recording, I saw it was being reported that they have matched the DNA to the person they suspect is the bomber.
There's a lot of stuff that's unknown still about this event, but there are definitely some fair assumptions you can make about it.
Obviously, this wasn't an accident, so there was an intention behind this bombing.
It was clearly meant to be a spectacle and something that would be traumatic, given that it was planned for Christmas morning, which is a very solemn time for many.
in this country.
My gut tells me, based on these pieces of information, that this was an ideological act.
Who knows what that ideology is at this point?
jordan holmes
Right.
I mean, it's unfortunate that the vibe I'm getting from this whole thing is Vietnamese monks self-immolating, but because they believe that the Laotians are going to sneak in through the earth.
Where it's like, yes, you are making a statement.
This is a problem, though.
This is an issue.
dan friesen
I'm not sure I quite follow what you're saying.
jordan holmes
5G isn't going to hurt anyone.
Do you know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Well, but I don't know if that's the motivation either.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, totally.
dan friesen
That's making an assumption there.
jordan holmes
No, of course.
That's why I said the vibe I'm getting, not like, I know for a fact that this is why he did that.
But that's the general...
Feeling that people are passing around.
dan friesen
Some people are speculating on that.
What I'm trying to clearly delineate here is the idea of what is responsible speculation and what is not.
jordan holmes
Oh, totally.
dan friesen
Speculating that this was motivated by some sort of an ideology based on the actions, the circumstances, responsible speculation.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Claiming that you know exactly what it is, or choosing what you want the target.
You think it might have been?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then like, why would they do that?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That's not like, great.
jordan holmes
No, totally.
dan friesen
That's not grounded.
And I think that, you know, it's...
I see that possibility.
Like, yeah, sure.
It could turn out that more information comes out and he was someone who was worried about 5G.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I don't know by any stretch, nor am I making a claim that that's what's going on by any means.
But from what I understand so far, it does have that feeling of somebody who is, I guess, sacrificing their own life for something they believe in.
And chances are, if you're going after AT&T...
dan friesen
Unpack that a little bit more.
You're still making a giant assumption.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, I'm making a massive assumption.
dan friesen
And I don't think that...
You know, that is substantiated yet.
jordan holmes
100%.
Agreed.
dan friesen
It could in the future, and again, this is the issue with the wet concrete.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You gotta respect the wet concrete until it dries, because otherwise, you just fuck it up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
It's a point that I've made a lot, in that Alex Jones knows that his business model really only works and is powered by uncertainty.
The moment that the cement is wet and he can write his initials on there before it dries, that is the time he knows he has to go to work.
And naturally, on Christmas Day, when he's already failing to take this week off, he records a special report about the Nashville bombing because, on some possibly subconscious level, he knows that if he waits until his show on Sunday, there's a chance that more details will be known by then and it'll be too late for him to profit off this tragedy.
We watched this unfold in the aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombing, and it seems kind of likely that this is going to be a to be another big push for him now.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
A couple of things are different, though, which make the end of 2020 a lot more complicated for someone like Alex.
For one, there are tons of people running around online competing for access to that wet cement.
Alex doesn't have exclusive control over the paranoid conspiracy space anymore, so there are other people who are equally able to put their imprint on stories before the information becomes public.
The other major difference is that people keep suing Alex now.
In the past, he was a lunatic yelling that everyone just thought it's best to leave him alone, but he went too far, and finally some people stood up to his bullying.
That had a domino effect of people not being afraid to burden him with lawsuits when he defames them.
And that has a chilling effect on someone's ability to defame people freely.
jordan holmes
It should.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So now Alex knows that there are some limitations to what he legally can speculate about without consequences.
Alex knows that this is just the reality of his life.
Meanwhile, these other people who want to get access to that wet cement, they're mostly anonymous weirdos online.
They're operating fake named alias QAnon accounts.
They don't have to worry about being sued because they're essentially internet phantoms.
They aren't bound by the same fear of consequence that Alex has.
So they're free to speculate and craft conspiracies in ways Alex is not, but he used to Yeah, and he can't direct it.
jordan holmes
He now has to, if something gets too popular, he has to assimilate it.
Instead of being able to kind of push the narrative in any direction that he would prefer.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Now he's getting pushed.
dan friesen
Well, I think even in the past it was even more complicated that he was assimilating and pushing simultaneously.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
You know, co-opting hot online trends.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then making them, you know, match the InfoWars narrative.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the difference though is...
dan friesen
It's too obvious now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well that's the thing.
He could straddle the line between like the part of the...
Yeah, it's all over the place.
dan friesen
It's great stuff.
jordan holmes
I think we're doing awesome.
dan friesen
That's one of the reasons why I decided if we're doing this episode, it'd probably be good to talk about Alex's immediate response.
Because that's the concrete wet moment.
Let's see what he can do in this new...
Infowar battle space, you know, because it's different now.
The elements have changed from when he would be able to be the king of the roost.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it'll be interesting to see how the story changes tomorrow, and we'll have to do a completely different episode.
dan friesen
Sure, but it's still important to check in on this.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
So here Alex goes on.
alex jones
out an attack like this?
Could it be a former employee or engineer angry at AT&T?
Sure.
unidentified
Could it be an organization or group, a terrorist organization, angry?
alex jones
Sure.
AT&T for their politics, for surveilling the public, or perhaps owning the propaganda outlet CNN.
Rest assured, these are the first questions that FBI and ATF agents are asking right now on the ground in Tennessee.
dan friesen
So if you notice, the two possibilities that Alex provides for potential entities with a motive seem to imply that he's sympathetic to the bombing.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
Yeah!
dan friesen
It's immediately like, maybe it's someone who's mad that AT&T spies on everybody illegally.
Like, that's weird.
That's really weird.
jordan holmes
I mean, I can see it.
No, no, no.
All the reasons...
I'm not saying those with the same glee he kind of seems to have as to like, here are the reasons that I would bomb AT&T is kind of what he's saying.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's...
That's the feeling that it gives.
What?
Wait, what?
AT&T owns CNN?
That's why?
That's what you've decided?
This is weird.
jordan holmes
Let's think of the reasonable reasons to bomb AT&T off the top of my head.
dan friesen
The ones that I appreciate.
CNN, obviously.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's gotta be CNN!
dan friesen
It's just strange to me that immediately, as this special report opens, the options that he's presenting for why the person did what they did, like their motivation, are identical beliefs to his.
That's strange.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
He's identifying with and sympathizing with the actor in this case.
jordan holmes
Maybe he blew up AT&T because they own Brian Stelter.
alex jones
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Maybe they specifically chose...
Was there a note that said, Brian Stelter looks like a pedophile?
Because I feel like that might tie back to me somehow.
dan friesen
Stelter may come up later.
jordan holmes
Of course he does.
dan friesen
So, Alex, he's planted this kernel of AT&T-owned CNN, and so then he goes from there.
alex jones
In the summer of 2018, CNN deployed a new talking point that was then adopted by almost every other cable news or broadcast news organization in the United States.
That Donald Trump, by criticizing the press's attacks on him...
Was going to trigger terrorist attacks on their facilities and the murder of journalists.
They hammered it hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times with no proof.
dan friesen
So what's going on now is that Alex is trying to implant the idea that CNN said Trump's rhetoric would lead to a rise in attacks on journalists as preparation for this Christmas Day RV bomb against AT&T's Nashville headquarters since AT&T owns CNN, even though everyone knows that the CNN center is in Atlanta.
This is stupid.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think there have already been plenty of other examples you can point to of there saying that rhetoric increases violence.
dan friesen
Or you could just go check out the U.S. Press Freedom Tracker, which is a little service that documents and tracks attacks on journalists in the United States.
In 2018, there were 35. In 2019, 34. Little progress, one less.
jordan holmes
Hey, that's good.
dan friesen
In 2020, there have been 274.
jordan holmes
I feel like that's a jump.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Some of this is civilians assaulting the press, but a considerable chunk are police carrying out these assaults.
jordan holmes
So surprising!
dan friesen
It's hard not to see this kind of ripple effect as being part of Trump's rhetoric, where he labels the press the enemy of the people and also constantly talks about how police, you know, if they rough people up, they shouldn't get in trouble.
jordan holmes
That's great!
dan friesen
If I were a cop, I think I might get the sense that the president is trying to subtly tell me to hit a journalist.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he'll look the other way.
unidentified
Yeah.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
It's a good thing that not all mayors agree.
Oh, no.
All mayors agree that you should hit people.
That's great.
dan friesen
Anyway, there's no need for an RV bomb at the AT&T building to pay off the fears that Trump's rhetoric would lead to a rise in danger for journalists.
That argument could be easily made without it.
So this...
Doesn't even really satisfy in terms of like, oh, so you're going back two years to something that you yelled about about CNN being the predictive element of...
That's really thin.
jordan holmes
If you go back to the MIAC report, you can see that there has been no right-wing violence since then, and that thing was crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah, thankfully I exposed it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I saved everybody.
dan friesen
Thankfully, Alex is careful.
He's a careful man, so he wants to make a quick clarification.
alex jones
To be crystal clear, Infowars is not saying that CNN is behind the attacks.
What we are saying is a known fact that they are the main mouthpiece of the criminal elements of the deep state and shadow government that are battling to recapture control of the United States.
dan friesen
So the clarification is that Alex isn't saying that CNN is behind the bombing.
Just that they're a mouthpiece for the evil demon globalists who are trying to salvage control of the country.
If you're following his point, he's saying that he doesn't want CNN to sue him.
His theory is that the evil globalists carried out the bombing to retain control of the United States, and CNN set the stage for it by saying Trump's rhetoric was a danger to journalists.
jordan holmes
Thank you for clarifying that it was not CNN who was behind the bombing.
dan friesen
It seems like they're still in on it, based on your theory.
jordan holmes
I mean, a RICO case could probably get him, but I don't think they're behind it, Dan.
dan friesen
Next clip, we see another characteristic of Alex's bullshit, and that is the...
You know, we've seen this in pretty much every single thing that he calls a false flag.
He's like, well, there's a chance it's real.
Maybe.
alex jones
Tiny.
jordan holmes
But he likes the reasons the bomber may have done it.
dan friesen
There's a 1% chance it's real.
That kind of thing.
He says that with everything.
All right.
alex jones
It is entirely possible that a lone wolf or small group carried this operation out for other reasons.
But when you look at the history and the motive and the background, and who stands to gain from this, and all the media previews and programming, this thing reeks as a possible deep state false flag operation.
dan friesen
So it's a possible deep state false flag operation at this point.
jordan holmes
That's nice.
That's nice.
dan friesen
Let's wait till three minutes later in the special report when he says it's definitely a false flag.
jordan holmes
The suing does seem to have a chilling effect on...
On the first statement, I don't know how well it carries over to statements two and following.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It takes you longer to get into it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You gotta warm up to the...
jordan holmes
It's almost like if you say it first, then the rest of them don't count, you know?
Like I said this the first time, so you know that I still mean it on the other ones.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is really the main thrust, I believe, of what he's saying, is that two years ago, CNN did all this shit, and it's proof that they were planning to do this now.
which is weird.
alex jones
In August and October of 2018, I went to the airwaves to desperately warn the people that MSM was clearly preconditioning the population to accept that when terror attacks that they said were imminent hit mainstream media, that it was indeed the fault of whatever patsy they produced who would then take credit for Donald Trump, the nationalist and populist movement.
I had seen this exact same rhetoric before.
Right before the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing that was then blamed on the Patriot movement and Rush Limbaugh.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
So...
jordan holmes
Well, had they not done it, I don't think we would have blamed them for it.
dan friesen
Well, there is that matter.
You're not going to get anywhere with Alex on that line of thinking.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't think I'm going to win that one.
dan friesen
But I don't see the connective tissue here.
Even as a conspiracy, I think this is soft.
This is really soft.
jordan holmes
I think the softest part of it is you are telling me that CNN is a multi-billion dollar a year corporation and they spent two years planning this bombing?
This bombing.
I feel like the hardest part to plan about this was the AV system that shouted...
There's a bomb coming.
dan friesen
It could have been a weekend.
It doesn't make sense.
In terms of timing, in terms of motive, in terms of method.
jordan holmes
I guess CNN did finally win the war on Christmas.
Is that what he's going for?
dan friesen
If Alex's whole thing is that these false flags are supposed to create shock and terror and horror, then why would...
There'd be a warning to get away from it.
You know, like, why would...
Wouldn't the globalists want to kill people?
They don't care about human life.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Why wouldn't they?
That doesn't make any sense.
This doesn't match any of his MOs, but he's trying...
It's just...
You know what it felt like, listening to this?
It's just trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it just doesn't work.
He's just...
This is grim.
jordan holmes
I think this one might be just too confusing.
To make a good conspiracy theory out of.
dan friesen
Confusing can be done.
jordan holmes
It can be done.
dan friesen
It can be done.
It requires finesse.
It requires a little bit of trying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is not ready to try anymore.
jordan holmes
There's a certain extent, there's a certain part of this one that's just so fucking, like, everyone is not scared.
Everyone is kind of scratching their head going like...
Why?
dan friesen
I think people are scared, and rightfully...
unidentified
You think so?
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, I think that it's a very traumatic event, and I think...
jordan holmes
Oh, totally, totally.
dan friesen
I think a lot of...
Some people were hurt.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It caused a lot of destruction.
Certainly, you know, it's not...
I don't think...
I don't think that it scares people in the same way some other much more casualty...
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
...events have.
But I do still think that people see something like that and are scared.
jordan holmes
No, I apologize for minimizing the feelings of the people who are directly affected by it.
I meant more the people who would be affected by the conspiracy theories.
Obviously, I'm not going to be like, eh, whatever, you got blowed up.
No big deal.
This, though, is such a thing where all of these Q conspiracies and all of this stuff kind of seem to be swirling together.
But even then, the traction is just more like...
I guess we gotta wait until we find out why the guy actually did it.
dan friesen
This one seems tough on Alex.
It seems like he's a...
I don't know.
The way I would describe it is he's like...
Trying to walk a little bit fast outside a pool.
His feet are wet.
jordan holmes
Holding scissors.
dan friesen
He's just worried about slipping.
You know, like, it just doesn't...
It doesn't have traction.
It doesn't...
It just doesn't...
jordan holmes
It doesn't.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It's a weird one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is a really weird situation.
dan friesen
So now we reach the point in the special report, which is maybe like 20 seconds after he said maybe it's real, where he definitively says that it was the deep state.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Within days of the Supreme Court of Michigan declaring that Governor Whitmer was nothing more than a dictator and that her COVID lockdowns were illegal, suddenly the FBI busted a terror cell of militia that had been playing to kidnap her.
It came out a week later that the terror cell was led by two FBI informants and the whole thing had been a giant setup.
That is a smaller microcosm of what the deep state does when they actually carry out larger terror attacks like we just witnessed in.
Nashville, Tennessee.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
So, to be clear, I'm not taking Alex out of context at all.
jordan holmes
No, that one pretty much says it.
dan friesen
He's not spitballing.
He's not asking questions.
He just literally said that the Tennessee bombing was carried out by the deep state.
It's in the context of his meaningless rambling, but it's still a definite statement.
He's not suggesting it's possible that the deep state did this.
He's explicitly arrived at that conclusion, and that is being put to the audience.
Also, the Michigan Supreme Court did not declare Whitmer.
Or a tyrant.
And that was not a fake kidnapping clock.
jordan holmes
No.
No, it was not.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
You're going to look me in the eye and tell me that the devil said to these people, hey, no death.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
That's part of the devil's trickiness.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Hey, listen.
Minor injuries only!
dan friesen
So, you might be asking, like, why?
You know?
jordan holmes
I would be asking myself that.
dan friesen
What does the globalists gain through this?
What do the globalists gain?
jordan holmes
Agreed.
alex jones
This country is in an existential battle fighting for its very existence against a Chi-Com-led globalist takeover.
And with 25 days until the attempted installment and coronation of their agent, Joe Biden.
The mainstream media is on the ropes.
People hate them.
They don't believe them.
They don't trust them.
And as massive evidence comes out of collective election fraud carried by the deep state and their cohorts, the Democratic Party, the system needs something to turn themselves into victims.
This is designed to silence the American people and their opposition to the Great Reset and the huge COVID lockdown that is meant to be permanent if Joe Biden gets into power.
jordan holmes
I just don't buy it.
No.
This is stupid.
dan friesen
Isn't it strange, though, how uninspiring, uninspired this is?
Yeah.
Really?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Come on, man.
dan friesen
That was to make the globalists look like victims?
That doesn't even make sense.
jordan holmes
That doesn't fit what's going on at all.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
If this was the Boston bombing, then you can sell me on something like that.
But this is just so different.
It's just so different.
And you can't say the same thing about something that's this different.
dan friesen
And what I don't understand is like...
The Christmas angle isn't even in it for us.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
dan friesen
There's no attack on Christmas.
There's no war on Christmas.
jordan holmes
Oh, that seems so easy!
dan friesen
It's deep in his rhetoric.
He thinks there's a war on Christmas.
There's a literal bombing on Christmas.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I think he's still of the opinion that when it comes out, the full story, it's gonna be somebody more on the, uh, I hate the people who have the war on Christmas side.
So he probably thinks preemptively, I don't know if I can pull that one off.
dan friesen
That may be.
That may be.
Uh, all I know is that Alex...
He's a man with a deep archive, and he has great employees working for him who can pull up every time that he's said that false flags are coming.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
I have been on record dozens of times in the last month saying we are now in the season of the false flag.
We are now in the season of the establishment loading up truck bombs to bomb themselves to be victims, and I have our archivists looking for it right now.
But thanks to Media Matters, George Soros' organization, we have two examples from two years ago where I warned and foreshadowed what we now happen to see unfolding.
dan friesen
So, he does not have these...
I guess the archivists are working on it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
They're working on it.
Harrison Smith is coming in on Christmas to try and find these clips.
jordan holmes
There's a lot of our episodes to go through to find those clips.
dan friesen
That's true.
So yeah, Harrison's got to figure that out.
Have you gotten an email yet?
unidentified
They just Google on Media Matters.
And search for times that Alex has said fucked up things.
jordan holmes
Oh man, it's really nice of them to keep track for him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So here is the clips that Alex plays from Media Matters of him predicting what we saw.
alex jones
Yeah.
And ladies and gentlemen, this is about taking down America and Trump and the recovery and the entire free press.
So I'm telling you, like night follows day, the stage terror attacks are coming on big tech, government buildings, Mainstream media, all the stars will be gone that day, all the stelters will be gone that day, all the Lester Holtz will be gone, and they are going to drive a truck bomb or something into a daycare at CNN or ABC or something and have people shooting everybody, you name it.
You can see the pre-programming and say, see?
The hate did this.
The hate did this.
While they cover up Antifa and the attack on Scalise and the attack on Rand Paul and all the calls to kidnap Barron and rape him.
And we've got to get this out to Trump.
We've got to let him know.
Because Trump's not calling for violence.
When they attack Trump and lie about him, he says, you're fake news.
You're lying.
I'm not a racist.
I love Mexicans.
Whatever.
They go, oh, you're a Nazi.
You're calling for violence.
Blood on your hands.
Same thing with me.
Editing stuff out of context to build this.
So they got big tech, they got the media, they got the Democrats, they got Warner reportedly running it all, ready to quarterback this whole deal.
unidentified
Time Warner?
alex jones
Could happen today, tomorrow, next month.
But understand, here's the big emergency.
These are only probing attacks to shut it up and to test the public.
Will they buy that Soros and Hillary and Bill and Obama and CNN are poor victims?
This is introducing them as the targets.
They can whine and moan and predict, if Trump doesn't stop, you're going to get us all killed!
And then, in rolls that big-ass truck bomb into CNN Center Atlanta.
Boom!
All the execs will be off on a special meeting that day.
Most of the CNN crew would have never expected they'll get hit.
They'll even take out a large group of their top people.
Yeah, they're getting ready to hit themselves and hit themselves hard.
MSNBC, ABC.
They're gonna hit themselves.
dan friesen
So, I have a couple reasons why I don't take anything that Alex played there as sincere or a meaningful prediction about what actually happened on Friday.
The first is that Alex literally says the target would be CNN Center in Atlanta, and it would happen when Brian Stelter and Lester Holt aren't there because they would have advance warning.
jordan holmes
Which we've seen played out.
dan friesen
Stelter and Holt do not work in Tennessee.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
The second major reason that this rings hollow to me is that the specific of Alex mentioning a truck bomb and a daycare center, that's not meaningful in terms of a prediction.
That's hearkening back to Oklahoma City.
That's very specifically a part of right-wing terrorist history.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's a huge part of the mythology and zeitgeist of the patriot world, them being torn between celebrating Timothy McVeigh The third reason I take issue with this prediction is because these clips were from two and a half years ago.
This article that Alex is playing a Media Matters clip from is from August 2018.
So it just stretches any kind of credulity to imagine that the globalists are broadcasting their signals, pushing the programming so hard that Alex picked up on them, then waited 28 months and carried out a stage bombing that didn't kill anyone at the building that's owned by CNN's parent company but isn't really associated with CNN itself.
jordan holmes
Correct.
dan friesen
This is thin soup.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think what he should be doing...
Actually, I think what we'll see tomorrow or Tuesday...
Or when he starts hitting the ground rolling on this.
This is a practice run, right?
You have to call this a practice run before they actually do the real stuff.
dan friesen
You mean, like, the bombing?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what Alex has to do.
dan friesen
I thought you meant this video is a practice.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, no, no.
dan friesen
This video is him practicing trying to make a conspiracy out of this, and he whiffed it.
jordan holmes
And he accidentally put it, he posted it.
This was his daily affirmations.
He's just talking to a mirror.
dan friesen
It is all fake.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So, that's possible.
But also, the fourth reason I reject this bullshit is because Alex...
He constantly predicts false flags and bombings and shit that never happens.
If I wanted to, I could put together a giant compilation of him doing just that.
And it turns out, I do want to.
jordan holmes
How's Chicago doing?
Are we a giant hole?
dan friesen
Well, I did want to do this, actually.
Usually I'll just say I could do it, but I actually did it this time.
So, here's a supercut of Alex making predictions of false flags coming and calling random events fake.
This could have been so much longer.
It's six minutes.
jordan holmes
It's six minutes?
dan friesen
And it could have been so much longer, but I feel like that's already trying our audience's patience.
jordan holmes
That's way too hard.
alex jones
Breaking in, we were following this earlier, just an hour ago.
And the stock market was only down 600 points, which is still big.
It dropped 1,600 points today, which is one of the biggest drops ever.
And then rebounded 800 points, but it's still 800 points down.
And Doug, you talk about deep state operations.
You talk about Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan, they've been working against the president.
Even though they've had record profits, they openly cheerlead for Communist China.
This is the type of craziness we've been saying will come.
Evidence is mounting that the megafires in Australia are being orchestrated by multinational forces to clear out key corridors for future development and for light rail going in that's being financed by the Communist Chinese.
They are intending to remove Trump one way or another.
And then they're going to trigger a civil war saying right-wingers blew stuff up when Trump gets removed.
They're going to truck bomb and mass shoot and say we did it when they remove Trump, use that for a total clampdown, the economy's going to implode, and then there's going to be homeless running around crazy everywhere.
All they've got to do is have the Chinese, who supply 90% of the opiates, cut those off for about a month, and it's going to look like a zombie apocalypse.
And remember, oh, Alex, you're a fair monger.
They'll never try to get our guns.
And I said, you watch.
There's going to be mass shootings.
There's going to be false flags.
A month before Sandy Hook, I said, this is the season.
Get ready.
I'm seeing them roll out the propaganda now beforehand.
And so this is the type of time you're going to see bigger false flag event type things happen.
But I can tell you right now, ladies and gentlemen, that Communist forces, that's what Antifa is, in the Soros-funded, Democrat-party-funded combine, are planning assaults on new police stations and federal buildings tonight, all across the United States.
And when the Austin police bring photos and video of this to the mayor's office, they are told, you are to stand down.
I've seen the photos.
I've seen the videos.
I've seen the internal memorandums.
This is happening for sure.
We knew Governor Northam was going to try to declare an emergency.
We knew he was going to try to hype it up like people with guns are coming to get him.
And so he'll have to have a law enforcement response.
Then they stage a false flag or they provocateur an action.
Jesse Smollett style, but on steroids.
And then they say, look, the gun owners are the evil terrorists.
They're the white supremacist.
And they run the same operation we saw the Democrat-controlled state police did a couple years ago in Charlottesville.
And they have launched more and more escalations.
And the next escalation is assassinating the president or staging giant terror attacks and blaming it on the right-wing patriots.
And they're going to do it.
And are we just going to sit here while the Clintons and the Obamas load up a fuel truck again and blow up a federal building?
Are we just going to sit here while they go and shoot up a black church with some mental patient?
They got wound up on psychotropics and amphetamines and amnesics in a hotel room right now.
They got brainwashed loony tuners everywhere ready to go.
They punch a couple buttons, it's over.
There's no way to stop their false flags unless the leadership of the globalist is dealt with.
Because you know what?
It's real, folks.
There's nothing fake here.
In fact, I'm so damn real, I can't stand it.
I sometimes want to control myself.
I sometimes want to act a different way.
I can't!
I can't control myself!
I'm a maniac.
It's all real.
I'm totally real.
I've never lied to you.
I compulsively tell the truth.
And these people out there, they can't stand that, you see?
And they also don't like the fact they can't scare me.
And they don't like the fact they can't scare you.
But let me just tell you.
I've studied war propaganda and how the globalists do stuff.
Folks, I think they're probably, I need to go to your calls, but I need to probably do a special report so I don't cut into the main broadcast time of your calls, but I think they're getting ready to do a false flag and blame me, and they might kill me, and I'm only, it's not said to be dramatic, and if that happens, I'm not a loser, I'm a winner, I don't want to die, by the way, I'm not going to commit suicide, but you know what I mean.
mike adams
I think they could do a nuclear false flag, dirty bomb.
Or nuclear attack.
alex jones
Oh, don't put him past him to kill Trump.
mike adams
It takes out Trump.
Exactly.
It takes out Trump.
They blame it on patriots or they blame it on Trump's negotiations with North Korea.
They could say it's North Korea fighting back against Trump.
alex jones
Or Iran.
mike adams
Or Iran, exactly.
But they take out Trump and they take out 200,000 Americans at the same time and then they blame conservatives and then they use that to blacklist all conservatives, all speech online and any dissenting views.
This is the plan.
They have to silence you, Alex, and they have to silence me.
alex jones
Exactly.
They wouldn't be taking the risk to shut us down when it wakes everybody up with the Streisand effect if they weren't at a gut level.
I know.
I think well before the election, they're going to hit us.
And I agree.
I think it's going to be a biological or a nuclear event.
But I think they want nuclear to kill POTUS.
If they nuke a city, which is in their plans, it's in their cards.
If they nuke a city and say Patriots did it, You know the hammer just dropped and they're going to try to come arrest me, you name it.
Okay, I know these murderers.
Just like two people are seen running away from the scene in Sandy Hook.
And then you find a guy shot in the head inside.
You go have a drill.
You shoot your mental patient Patsy in the head.
You get out.
I mean, this is the oldest.
This is a false flag.
And so the next attack, a bioweapon ten times worse?
A nuke in D.C. during the State of the Union?
I mean, Congress shouldn't be in session in the buildings.
The president should never be in D.C. now.
He should be moving around the country.
I mean, we're in a total war, people.
And if this is proven to not be a false flag, which I think has gone from 1% chance to maybe 5% chance, I will eat my hat and apologize and be very pleased.
dan friesen
Please eat your hat.
jordan holmes
Yeah, please eat that hat.
dan friesen
Yeah, I feel like that was a little bit long, but the reason I made it that long is because I want to drive home this point.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The point is made.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure it's driven home.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is what he does.
dan friesen
This is not a prediction that Alex is making.
It's an obsession and a centerpiece of his worldview.
On some level, he knows that his political alignment is just full of cosplaying militia weirdos who lust after the opportunity to commit acts of violence that they can justify as being necessary to water the tree of liberty or whatever.
He knows that, so the only real options he can do...
You can either applaud terrorist acts, domestic terrorist acts, which is tough, or you pretend they don't exist.
If you go the first option, it's a little risky.
Eventually you'll end up ostracizing yourself, even from the pseudo-acceptable world of the fringe.
The second option just requires a mantra you drill into your audience.
In this case, if there's an act of terrorism that looks like it could have been carried out by someone who believes the same shit as me, it's fake until proven otherwise.
It's the evil nebulous group I'm fighting that's just trying to make me look bad, so ignore it and keep pushing deeper into the fanatical world that accepts, rationalizes, and excuses this kind of activity.
And that has nothing to do with what the actual end result of what this event was.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It doesn't matter.
Alex's response is going to be to call it fake.
jordan holmes
It was always going to be fake.
dan friesen
On the off chance that it's something that could implicate his beliefs.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
And that's just, it's very boring.
jordan holmes
It is boring, and it's disheartening.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
It's really disheartening, and it's unfair.
You can set your watch by right-wing terrorism, and so he gets to run interference whenever he wants because it's going to happen, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's so fucking annoying.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And at its core, the narrative here, this false flag narrative, the way that Alex uses it, is just a way of weaponizing and making money off denial.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That's just what you're doing.
And it's...
Like I said, when I say it's boring, I mean it's really boring when you look at it in the long view.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
When you look at his career and recognize, like, all this...
Dumb shit.
You keep saying is like researched.
I study the globalists.
I know their patterns and then every fucking pattern is wrong.
Nothing ends up happening that he says is going to happen.
And then you...
But it's not boring.
The trick itself is not boring.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The trick itself is...
Possibly very dangerous.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because the first time you're exposed to the idea of a false flag, and that it's not just something that only exists in fiction, it does make you think, like, oh my god, everything could be.
And that's the danger of that tripwire Alex can set out in front of you.
It's the same thing that happened to Rogan.
When Rogan talks to Alex about the only things that he thinks Alex has been right about, it's like, oh, you told me that agent provocateurs exist.
So, like, yes.
Okay, great.
Your mind was blown by that.
But that mind-blowing event was used for malicious purposes.
And I think that Alex knows, on some level, no matter how stupid this conspiracy is about this bombing on Christmas, no matter how lacking in connective tissue it is, no matter how sad it looks to look at, it might blow someone's mind.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There might be someone that all they need to hear is a denial of some reality that's in their face.
jordan holmes
So infuriating.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You can make two bucks off that.
jordan holmes
It's...
Like, the thing that weirds me out, it's so much less believable because every right-wing terror attack is a false flag.
You know?
Look, I get it.
Putin won 97% of the vote.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Sure he did.
All right.
99% of all of these right-wing terror attacks that are people doing the things you say they should do.
dan friesen
Politically.
jordan holmes
Politically.
99% of them are all false flags?
99%.
Come on, man.
At least be like the Oklahoma City bombing was him.
dan friesen
Well, and 99% of things that you make up that don't happen are also false flags.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
Yes!
Come on, man!
Give me 60-40 at least.
dan friesen
Something.
It's...
jordan holmes
But he can't muddy the waters because then you're not sure that they're all false flags.
Or you're not sure which ones are false flags.
dan friesen
Again, it comes down to the limitation of his abilities.
And that is that once you introduce the idea of real critical thinking that you engage in with the audience and allow the audience to engage in, if you're like, well, maybe this is a false flag.
I don't know.
Let's see.
You can't...
Accidentally encourage your audience to start questioning, and you don't want them to do that, because your shit is thin.
jordan holmes
Any doubt is terrible.
It's religion.
Any doubt will fuck you up.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, and that's why Alex can say, like, there's a chance that this is real, and then 20 seconds later be like, the deep state did this bomb.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally, totally.
dan friesen
So you give the appearance of questioning and the appearance of critical thinking while at the same time driving home your predetermined conclusion.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That's just unfounded.
jordan holmes
So unfair.
dan friesen
So it has all the signatures, man.
All the signatures of a false flag.
alex jones
There's a signature.
There's a pattern to false flags.
And at the preliminary stages, this fits perfectly into that historical paradigm.
But regardless, authoritarian elements of the system will try to use this event to take more Americans'liberties.
The Democratic Party and their deep state controllers have given us years of looting and destruction as a message to the courts and the system.
If you don't give us what we want, if you don't let us steal the election and install Joe Biden and let China complete its takeover, we will burn every city to the ground.
dan friesen
If I were Alex, I would avoid using the word regardless.
Because he's like, yes, this has all the marks of a false flag, but regardless.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Don't hand wave that.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know.
dan friesen
Makes me think that you're not saying shit.
jordan holmes
Yada, yada, yada.
Moving on.
dan friesen
And he gets to his closing thoughts, which is his refrain that he says on pretty much every time he wants to say something stupid about a world event that people are emotionally affected by.
And that is, hey, I got the right to question things.
Americans can question things.
Sure.
unidentified
And again, this is not question.
alex jones
But in closing, never forget the long history of governments and other organizations staging false flag terror attacks to blander political opposition.
And remember, it's the American birthright to be able to research and question any public event.
dan friesen
I mean, yeah, research and question whatever you want.
This isn't that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is bullshit.
jordan holmes
That's a little bit different.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It is your birthright to research and question things, but it is not your birthright to go on the radio and tell people that it was a false flag.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I feel like that's not a...
I don't know if George Washington was hanging out being like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Eventually, we're going to invent the radio.
Laissez-faire.
dan friesen
I have a difficult time thinking that...
I mean, first of all, I don't know.
I don't want to get into a First Amendment debate.
But I don't think it's responsible at questioning behavior or something that has a lot of value in society for someone to just get on the radio and with no evidence be like, the deep state did this.
That's stupid.
That can only lead to negative outcomes.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, regardless of what he's saying...
Regardless of any of that stuff, when you say I'm only researching and questioning, that is a bad faith lie.
So I don't give a shit about what you're talking about.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a deflection.
jordan holmes
This isn't even a First Amendment conversation.
This is a, I can toss away your bullshit because you are already lying to me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
So fuck you.
dan friesen
It's basically, in closing statement is, things have happened before and I can get away with this, so please.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Give some credence to what I'm saying.
Meanwhile, it's just...
I can't even come up with words other than weak.
It's just nothing.
This conspiracy is nothing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's so disappointing.
dan friesen
It's boring.
We have one last clip here, as Alex closes out the report, where he wants to make you afraid of Eric Holder?
jordan holmes
Oh, damn right!
alex jones
Never forget that Joe Biden and his would-be incoming crew of criminals are part of the Obama crime organization.
Never forget it was Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder who helped cover up what really happened in Oklahoma City in 1995.
The same Holder carried out the giant confirmed false flag operation of Fast and Furious.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex sounds so self-satisfied when he says fast and furious at the end there.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna put that one in the win column, guys.
Cut right there.
dan friesen
Is Eric Holder even in talks to be in Biden's administration?
jordan holmes
Who cares?
unidentified
He's not!
dan friesen
I haven't heard his name come up.
jordan holmes
Rahm Emanuel's name has come up more than Eric Holder's, and he should be tossed into a fucking cannon.
dan friesen
I feel like Alex just doesn't have many specifics left, and he's like, oh, I remember how fun it was to make people scared of Eric Holder.
Let's get back on that.
So I was really struck by how weak and desperate that special report that Alex put out is.
It's absolutely meaningless.
There's no teeth behind it at all.
I almost kind of felt when I was listening to it that he didn't have a theory, but he wanted to yell into the void to remind people that he's weird, and he's willing to call everything fake with or without reason, and he's ready to do it immediately.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's almost putting out a beacon, like, the lighthouse is lit, guys!
Guys, I'm out here!
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
There's no theory here.
There's nothing except knee-jerk denialism, which Alex attempts to justify by pointing to unrelated rants he went on two and a half years ago about how the media was going to false flag themselves, something that barely even makes sense with the details of the bombing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's unconvincing, it's flat, and it's also couched in so much I'm-not-saying-I'm-just-saying kind of language that it's hard to even imagine him caring about this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Reckless abandon is easy to mistake for passion, but attempts to cover your own ass preemptively just feel hollow.
I was curious about QAnon was doing with this bombing, so I reached out to Travis over at QAnon Anonymous, and he directed me to some of the theories that have popped up and gained traction in that world.
They're all nuts, but they're better than Alex.
Okay.
unidentified
They seem to have theories that surround the idea that there was like a secret NSA server at the AT&T building that would somehow prove that the Georgia election fraud conspiracy.
dan friesen
So the bombing was actually the good guys setting off a controlled detonation to recover the evidence and stop Biden from getting into office or possibly to prevent the bad guys from being able to steal the upcoming runoff election in Georgia.
jordan holmes
Next one.
dan friesen
Obviously that's nonsense and it's flimsy as hell, but it makes sense with the larger conspiracies that are actually being engaged in in the QAnon world That's fair.
It fits the needs of the audience the QAnon has captured Whereas Alex's narrative is just dull and uninspired as well as almost entirely Disconnected from anything else he's been yelling about except for the fact that false flag Do you want me to play that six minutes again?
jordan holmes
Do not, sir!
dan friesen
I won't.
jordan holmes
And he doesn't even feel into it.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
He doesn't feel into it.
He's not selling it.
You gotta, look, if you got weak material, you gotta sell it.
You know, that's the one thing that I've learned from stand-up so long.
If you got weak material, you perform the shit out of that material, and maybe you'll skate by.
dan friesen
It can help.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, you push up the next level, and this, you gotta elevate.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's almost like, kind of, it has the feeling of a guy in like a recliner.
jordan holmes
He does a little bit.
dan friesen
Doing like an I told you so.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But there's nothing there being told.
Because that is kind of the idea.
The I told you so is him playing these clips from 2018 where he said that CNN is going to fall flat themselves.
This is like, it almost feels like a victory lap, but there was no race.
jordan holmes
There was no victory.
dan friesen
There wasn't even a race!
jordan holmes
No, that's true.
Yeah, he should be petting a cat on his lap just like, I told all of you what would happen.
dan friesen
It's almost confusing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's almost disorienting how disconnected it is from anything that feels real.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or anything that even makes sense as, like, conspiracy fodder.
Like, that's the thing that, like, when I was looking at these QAnon things that Travis pointed me towards.
Like, I was looking at those and I was like, I get it.
I get where this is going.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Sure.
dan friesen
Media wants to make themselves look like the victims.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It just doesn't...
It's not...
jordan holmes
I think on this one the cement is too wet.
The cement is too wet right now.
I think this is going to be the first one where it's like, in two days, everyone will have a much better conspiracy theory.
They've had more time to workshop it.
They've got more details to play with.
There just aren't enough.
That's the thing.
With the Boston bombing, immediately, there were pictures.
unidentified
Suspects.
jordan holmes
There were so many different people you could investigate and go down.
And on this one, it's like...
I don't even know where to start yet.
That kind of thing.
And so all these people are just coming up with downright nonsense.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it's in the same in-between period of an election and an inauguration and the recount runoff election, as it were.
jordan holmes
And we got other shit going on.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So much other shit to deal with.
dan friesen
So, I'm interested to see where Alex goes with this, because I think, I mean, based on his behaviors, it seems like this is something that's going to have to be something he keeps going on.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I'm interested to see what the narrative flashes out to be, whether he gets in line with the QAnon theories that are already much fuller than his.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
dan friesen
Or if it becomes...
I don't know what it'll become.
Anyway...
I don't know.
I just think that there's some value in taking a look at the immediate reaction that he has.
jordan holmes
I agree.
Totally.
dan friesen
Because this is, you know, it's...
He knew he had to do something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it'll be great.
dan friesen
And this is what he did.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
It'll be a great document of what he said before he's going to say something different.
You know?
Like, we have to at least...
This is uninspired.
But...
This is, without question, an easy receipt against tomorrow's bullshit.
dan friesen
Most likely.
jordan holmes
Maybe even today's bullshit.
Like, that kind of level.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, we'll see.
And, hey, we'll be back.
jordan holmes
Oh, we will.
dan friesen
Yeah, but please, my apologies if anybody felt anything that we discussed or any of our tone was flippant about the bombing.
My heart goes out to everybody affected, and I don't...
I don't want you to think that my mocking Alex's theories are in any way meant to minimize the experience that people are having.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's tougher, but we are not brutish.
Life is not that brutal, so it is just fucking...
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
We'll be back, but until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at KnowledgeFight and at GoToBedJordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook and it's Alex Showroom!
If you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work right now.
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZXClark, I'm Daryl Rundis.
I am insisting that Alex eat that hat.
He's got to eat that hat.
He promised to eat the hat.
Eat the hat, Alex.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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