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#513: December 18, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan look back at last Friday to examine the aftermath of the Firing Heard Around The World. Having given David Knight the axe, Alex has to fill in to host the Infowars morning show, which is more about Knight not being there than Alex probably intended it to be.

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alex jones
22:18
d
dan friesen
49:13
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jordan holmes
24:05
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alex jones
We are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Damn.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
Dan?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up, Jordan?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is that wonderful intersection of aspiration and limitations.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
Are you talking about finishing an entire Waffle House meal?
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
I got some sheet metal from the local hardware store the other day because it dawned on me that I love...
Breakfast sandwiches.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I can make them myself if I can make eggs round.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I was like, oh, if I just get some sheet metal, I could make a round thing that I could put in a pan.
jordan holmes
You're making your own cutouts.
You're making cookie cutters.
dan friesen
Basically, yeah.
jordan holmes
Out of sheet metal.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
You can just buy them.
dan friesen
Well, that's the limitations aspect.
So I spent a while cutting up some metal.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
I didn't cut myself or anything, so that's a plus.
jordan holmes
Well, that's good.
That's a plus.
dan friesen
But yeah, I got through a couple trials of it, and the egg kept seeping out from under it because it's not perfectly...
jordan holmes
It's not perfectly...
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I was like, ah, what can I do?
How can I fix this?
And so I googled it, and I was like, oh, they cost eight bucks for four of them.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It costs nothing.
dan friesen
I was like, okay.
jordan holmes
I have no idea why you bought...
Why did you buy sheet metal?
What was your thought process on that?
dan friesen
I was taking a walk to get out of the house, and I saw the hardware store, and I like the hardware guys.
And I was like, oh, I've been, about round eggs.
Yeah.
unidentified
Why don't I see if they have anything I could sheet metal in there?
dan friesen
And so I did.
And well, it felt fantastic.
fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The aspiration phase felt really fun.
Like I'm being crafty.
I'm trying to build something.
And I did succeed.
It just wasn't that good.
Sure.
unidentified
I made something that worked.
dan friesen
I made egg patties.
They just weren't great.
And they did leak a little bit, but they were round.
jordan holmes
You win some, you lose some.
Right.
I think that's great.
dan friesen
I consider it a partial victory that I then forfeited to buying a couple.
jordan holmes
I agree.
I think that you even tried to construct your own as a victory in and of itself.
dan friesen
Yeah, I feel better for trying, but also...
Qualified success.
unidentified
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Qualified success.
jordan holmes
I think you are, though, technically a weekend warrior now, Dan.
dan friesen
I have that urge.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what you do.
dan friesen
Yep.
I need a sink to fix.
I need these projects to fail on.
jordan holmes
I'm going to build a goddamn chair.
I'm going to build a goddamn chair.
dan friesen
I'm going to try really hard and then I'm going to buy a chair.
That's my weekend.
jordan holmes
It's a good thing you don't have any like trimming to do because you would have a series of chainsaws and shit that would be a nightmare.
dan friesen
No, probably not.
I'd probably stop just short of that.
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan, is I don't know if you recall.
Do you remember a few weeks ago when I talked to you about The Mandalorian?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it was...
What I said to you was that it was essentially...
unidentified
Grogu.
jordan holmes
It was like, it's junk food.
unidentified
Grogu.
jordan holmes
It's everything you want.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And the season finale was such that it was just...
Without spoilers, I can't even begin to describe it.
Because it was like I could feel myself in the writer's room.
dan friesen
Did they say that Baby Yoda's name isn't Grogu?
jordan holmes
No, but if only they could.
dan friesen
I figured that would be a nice twist ending.
jordan holmes
It would be nice if the twist ending, the person who arrived was like, Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
You're Baby Yoda.
unidentified
Moving on.
jordan holmes
Let's get out of here.
dan friesen
Grogu is dead.
Long live Baby Yoda.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
But it was very much like I knew it was possible.
But I never thought they would do it.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Have you...
I think I would liken it to...
Have you ever seen a wrestling pay-per-view perhaps when you were younger?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Where all of a sudden you heard the music.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And you were like, Oh shit, they did it!
dan friesen
You hear the glass break and Stone Cold comes out.
jordan holmes
Exactly, and Stone Cold comes out and you're like, I didn't think it was going to be Stone Cold and it was him!
It's like that, but if your childhood came back and kicked you in the dick.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
It's fantastic.
dan friesen
I have no idea what you're talking about and I'm glad you enjoyed it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I'm sorry I didn't make anything.
dan friesen
So, technically, I barely did.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
Today we've got an interesting episode to go over, Jordan.
We're talking about Friday of last week, which will be the 18th of December, 2020.
unidentified
I'm Dan.
dan friesen
This is 2020.
jordan holmes
Hey, that's good news!
dan friesen
This is an interesting thing.
jordan holmes
It's a thing?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And we'll get into exactly why it's an interesting thing.
I'm not saying an episode.
jordan holmes
Is that David Knight's music being played in the background?
dan friesen
Glass breaks.
David Knight comes out.
Oh, shit!
jordan holmes
We're back!
Oh my god!
unidentified
David Knight has parted the Red Sea!
jordan holmes
And now it's time to bring back my show, where I will talk for three hours or so.
dan friesen
No, that is, David Knight does not make an appearance, although we might learn a few things.
I'm going to actually have a request for you taking notes throughout this episode that we'll get to here in a few.
But before we do that, let's take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Stephen T., thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Stephen!
alex jones
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, David D., thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, David!
dan friesen
Next, Moe S. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Moe!
dan friesen
Next, Owen H. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Owen.
dan friesen
Next, Gina GM.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Gina!
dan friesen
Next, Adam.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Adam.
dan friesen
Thank you, Adam.
No last initial at all.
jordan holmes
No last initial at all?
It was the first Adam?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Holy shit!
dan friesen
Yep.
Next, Laura C. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Laura!
unidentified
There you go.
dan friesen
And then finally, like, say thank you to a couple people who donated on Elevated Love, and we appreciate that very much.
So first, Larry Klayman for Supreme Court.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Mean Blackbird.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare...
Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Larry Klayman, for Supreme Court, and thank you so much, Mean Blackbird.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.
dan friesen
Yes, if you're out there listening and thinking, hey, I enjoy the show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show, or...
jordan holmes
What you could do is take a look at your little spaceship.
You could hop in that little spaceship with the intent of solving many problems, and when you arrive at your destination, you can tear...
We're apart, everyone, in your path, trying to keep you from expressing your generosity by going to a local band or charity.
dan friesen
Give your generosity to Grogu.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you.
dan friesen
Give your Grogu to a local charity in your area.
jordan holmes
I like the idea of you starting over watching The Mandalorian again, just staring at him, just going, Grogu.
Fucking Grogu?
You're Grogu?
You can't experience it unless you don't know his name.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't think I'll ever watch it now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
I'm interested in seeing Werner Herzog's delightful performance.
jordan holmes
It's fantastic.
dan friesen
I'm excited about some of the screenshots I've seen of...
unidentified
The child will be something incredible.
dan friesen
Yeah, I would like to...
Now I can't, because Grogu.
Yeah.
unidentified
Unfortunately, his name is Grogu.
dan friesen
Grogu has celebrated 50 birthdays, from what I understand.
Is that correct?
jordan holmes
Yes, it is.
dan friesen
Someone who's celebrating a birthday today.
jordan holmes
Nicely done.
dan friesen
We'd like to give a shout out to Wendy.
Happy birthday, Wendy.
jordan holmes
Happy birthday, Wendy.
dan friesen
Wendy informed us that her birthday- Her last name was Grogu?
No.
Birthday on Monday, and it's the shortest day of the year.
I know we had some- I did not know that.
Dispute about day lengths a while back.
jordan holmes
Oh, it is the winter solstice.
dan friesen
So happy solstice and happy birthday, Wendy.
unidentified
Yes, indeed.
jordan holmes
I hope you are a witch.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
So, Jordan, today, like I said, we got a thing to go over.
And that is going to be a lot of Alex.
Because Alex Jones did double duty on Friday.
He hosted David Knight's show and then his own show.
jordan holmes
Oh, God!
dan friesen
So, here is an out-of-context drop from Alex.
alex jones
You understand?
That ought to scare the living hell out of your kids.
dan friesen
Okay.
Good parenting advice from Alex.
Always gotta appreciate that.
jordan holmes
That was, I believe, Scarecrow's policy.
Spare the Scarecrow, spoil the child.
dan friesen
Scare the child, don't spoil...
I don't know how to do this.
So, Alex hosted his own broadcast.
The Alex Jones Show, trademark, copyright free, anyone can use it, whatever, who cares?
jordan holmes
No problem.
dan friesen
Before that, because he had fired David Knight the day before...
that time sure something had to go there and so what he decided to do was finally do that show that was mostly callers okay so he's decided he's going to start a new show called the american journal get the fuck out of here yes the american journal it's it's a parody i say it's a parody he would say it's an homage sure to the washington journal right on c-spam right and it's uh he says About a hundred times.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
Throughout the three-hour show.
jordan holmes
I don't think his audience would get the reference otherwise.
dan friesen
He does really hammer it home.
It's like a Washington Journal, but it's America.
jordan holmes
We've never seen C-SWAM!
dan friesen
So, here is an out-of-context drop from one of the callers on the American Journal.
unidentified
All these people that think that this COVID shot is going to cure them or even make them into a cyborg human being, they're wrong.
It is not.
jordan holmes
It is going to kill them.
dan friesen
Getting the pulse of America.
jordan holmes
That is the American Journal.
I think that would be a fairly good chronicle of our times.
dan friesen
Yeah, all these people out there who think the shot's going to turn them into a cyborg.
They're wrong.
jordan holmes
Idiots!
They're so goddamn stupid they think they're going to turn into a cyborg.
dan friesen
Thank God we're taking the time to hear these missives.
jordan holmes
We've got to debunk all of these falsehoods that are going around, Dan.
dan friesen
So here's Alex starting off the journal.
The Journal starts earlier.
Alex is used to starting his show at 11. Sure.
This one starts at 8. That's too early.
Yeah, so he's in there early.
unidentified
You're listening to The American Journal with your host, Alex Jones.
Watch it live right now at band.video.
alex jones
All right, folks, we are live on this Friday transmission.
Thank you so much for joining us on this December 17th broadcast.
There's so much going on.
There's so much happening.
I work seven days a week.
I'm not even sure what day it is anymore.
It makes my head spin.
dan friesen
It's the 18th.
Yeah.
That's not an auspicious beginning.
jordan holmes
No, it does sound like he's already taking his time to run out the clock.
dan friesen
Already stolen.
Minute one of the American Journal.
jordan holmes
Ladies and gentlemen, we begin our from a place show in the middle of America.
dan friesen
We are going to take calls.
I'm going to say a million fucking times that this is like the Washington Journal, but I'm doing it.
jordan holmes
It's going to be a while.
dan friesen
I'm going to complain a whole bunch.
Of course he is.
John Rappaport's gonna host the last half hour, because I gotta take a break in between this and my show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, six hours straight is a lot.
dan friesen
The whole show's supposed to be about taking calls, and the last half hour is John Rappaport not taking calls.
jordan holmes
Hey, come on, he's John Rappaport.
He's not on his feet, man.
dan friesen
It's ridiculous.
So anyway, Alex realizes that it's the 18th.
alex jones
Now, I told the guys months ago, I had an idea.
I told the crew, for something like a...
jordan holmes
Let's buy another tank.
alex jones
National Journal program based on the Washington Journal.
And that's what we're doing right now.
It is Friday, December 18th, 2020.
I was looking up there on the computer board and it said December 17th, 2020.
And I said, that's not right.
It's Friday, December 18th.
But of course, that's why you can't always trust computers, can you?
dan friesen
Sometimes computers lie to you.
You need to be aware of this.
jordan holmes
Wait, is the Washington Journal the one where it's the guy who is steadfast in his not having a facial expression?
Like, somebody calls in and they're like, I think dogs are gonna own this world!
And he's like, that was a good call.
dan friesen
Next caller.
And they have, like, the Republican and Democrat lines.
Yes, yes, that's the show.
Alex thinks he's capable of doing that.
And boy, I will tell you, from round one, he is not.
jordan holmes
Alright, so flappable, he is.
Un, he is not.
dan friesen
I just, I mean, like, it would be like if the Washington Journal host constantly, like, forgot why he was there.
That's kind of the way you would make it meet.
jordan holmes
Alright, I like it.
dan friesen
But the aspiration is there.
Much like me trying to make these egg rounds, Alex intends to take 90% calls.
alex jones
So, here we are, and I told the crew months ago, That I wanted to launch a show either in the morning or at night and call it National Journal, kind of after the Washington Journal, to really habituate myself or whoever the host would be, I thought of it kind of as a rotating group of hosts, to take a lot of phone calls and actually do it every day because the show is based at least 90% on phone calls.
And so that is what we are doing.
Here on this live Friday, December 18th, 2020 broadcast.
dan friesen
I will give Alex some credit and say that it's more calls than you'd expect based on his history.
It's still not 90%.
And some of them are talking about how you're not going to turn into a cyborg.
So some of them you might as well not have.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
And one of them is a guy named Mountain Patriot.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Was that his birth name?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, it's on his birth certificate.
On his new birth certificate that he got when he became a sovereign.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
Well, that's fair.
dan friesen
So here's where I want to make a request of you taking notes.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
A large portion of this turns into Alex complaining about David Knight.
There is...
A large part of this episode is Alex being kind of too aware that people are going to tune in thinking it's David Knight's show.
jordan holmes
We're like, what happened?
unidentified
So he has to kind of address the issue.
dan friesen
Now, on the 17th, the episode that we listened to on our last episode, we heard him give the explanation that it's money.
It's money.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
We got financial troubles around here.
We have to scale back and get leaner.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So write that down at the top of your notes.
jordan holmes
So we're about to find out that it's actually about the number of emails David Knight sent?
dan friesen
No, that doesn't come into it.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right.
dan friesen
We had our thought that it was maybe Steve Pchenik related.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because the two of them got into a bit of a beef.
jordan holmes
They got a tiff.
dan friesen
Although, also, I'm a little reticent about that, or it had to been.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I want you to keep track of...
jordan holmes
How many different possible reasons there?
Okay, I have to write down each new one.
dan friesen
I want you to listen carefully and see how many different stories about why David got fired you could come up with.
jordan holmes
He did an upper decker in the toilet and I just can't do it anymore.
dan friesen
I wish it was that interesting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would be fun.
dan friesen
So here's the first one.
I'm going to give you this as a layup.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Now, a lot of you are probably tuning in and you're saying, where's David Knight?
I love David Knight.
I really care about him.
He's a talented, smart guy.
He's been with us nine years, and I personally am exhausted doing my own show every day.
And David, of course, took off quite a bit over a year ago with some medical issues and came back.
And I just made the decision that David was not happy here.
jordan holmes
I made the decision.
alex jones
That it was not good for him to still be on air.
That's my own personal decision.
I was kind of watching him twist in the wind.
Very depressed with everything that's going on.
Very, very upset.
And I agree with about 95% of what David has to say and what he does.
I did not let David go because I disagreed with what he was doing or because he didn't agree with me on some things.
That had nothing to do with it.
dan friesen
So that had nothing to do with it.
It had everything to do with the fact that David Knight was unhappy by Alex's metric.
Alex determined that David was unhappy, but he couldn't save himself.
David Knight was too stubborn to leave the job when he was miserable.
And so Alex did it for him.
Gave him the X. Really, Alex is the good guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that doesn't sound right, but okay.
dan friesen
Alex is your best friend that you think you don't need.
jordan holmes
I just don't think we're going to find out that this is a consistent storyline.
dan friesen
I think I might have ruined that by setting up your note.
jordan holmes
Could be, could be.
dan friesen
So one other possibility for why he might have gotten the X is that Alex wanted to do this call-in show and David did not.
alex jones
I have wanted to launch again a program like Washington Journal, but National Journal, David was not interested in a program like that.
We first wanted to have a show that he would host that was calls and guests and things, but he had total control over a show and it went another direction.
So here we are.
And when I host this show, or when Owen hosted, or when Harrison hosted, or when other people were looking at bringing in to host it, if it's not a call-in show, then that person won't be hosting it anymore.
So I've kind of gotten in a rut, not in a bad way, but it's a rut, that I don't take enough calls.
And I've gotten in a rut that I don't play enough clips.
And I've gotten in a rut that I tend to get on one story and pontificate on it for an hour.
And that's somewhat informative for diehard listeners.
But it's not for radio and TV stations to really cover some quick news, get into it, take calls, have a quick guest, and really cycle through a lot of information.
And so that's what this show is going to be.
It's going to be your phone calls.
dan friesen
I agree with Alex on some level that his show is inaccessible to people who aren't already indoctrinated.
jordan holmes
I do agree with that, yes.
dan friesen
The format that he has is not good for someone clicking around on the radio.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
It might be able to grab your attention with a guy yelling, but he doesn't yell all the time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a lot of stretches of time that are completely boring, stupid shit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And, you know, if you aren't already on the team, you're not going to give a shit about that.
jordan holmes
I mean, there's that, and also the mythology has just moved on so much from reality.
You're coming in on episode 40 of the 38th season.
You're not going to catch up with all that's happened before.
dan friesen
I listen to this all the time, and sometimes I lose track of the lore.
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, it would be something that would be very, very difficult for you to get people in the door on.
And I understand.
Yeah, for sure.
jordan holmes
Totally, I get it.
dan friesen
Trick into buying pills?
Great.
Good for him.
I'm going to stick with what we got.
jordan holmes
I would also say that David is smart for not wanting to do a call-in show just simply because you've also cultivated an audience that you don't want to hear what they have to say.
dan friesen
It's true.
It's true.
If you're David Knight and you try and pretend like you take this all very seriously and you're a thinker...
You think Steve Pachanek's full of shit, so you clearly have some standards you're trying to enforce.
jordan holmes
Something.
dan friesen
You lose credibility by having to humor idiots.
And David Knight's probably too polite to tell people to shut up.
jordan holmes
People who think they're gonna be cyborgs are stupid!
They're gonna die!
Great point.
unidentified
I mean, I'm a cyborg.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
So, you got a lot of calls coming up.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And we're going to be taking a lot of your phone calls.
So I'll give you the number when we come back.
And part of taking phone calls is going to be we are going to get to your call and move the next person.
So I'm not going to do thank you for calling.
Oh, thank you so much, Alex.
Oh, and then get into what you have to say.
We're just going to, hey, you're calling in.
Here's the topic.
We'll talk about a topic an hour, another topic the next hour.
And that's how this is going to be.
Something that I haven't really done personally in this style in over 20 years.
And so, thank you for joining us for American Journal.
We'll be right back.
dan friesen
Listen to this mellow-ass music.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is very strange.
dan friesen
This is real 8 in the morning, gotta have some coffee and listen to that.
unidentified
This is dissonant to hear Alex like, ugh, I haven't been awake before 9 in 20 years.
dan friesen
It's surreal on a lot of levels.
Yeah, yeah.
Just sitting there with the...
Like a calm show.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's very fun.
dan friesen
Or an attempt at a calm show.
jordan holmes
That's very funny.
dan friesen
So Alex starts off, after he gets back from the commercial, with introducing the first topic.
And the way he wants to do this is he wants to have an hour block.
And then he has like, alright, we have our first topic, we're taking calls on that topic.
Next hour, I'll introduce another topic, we'll take calls on that topic.
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
We got a framework.
dan friesen
I'm not sure if it works out the way he wants it to, but here is the first topic.
alex jones
And she passes out and falls to the ground and had to be taken out later on a stretcher.
dan friesen
So he just, I forgot, he had played a clip from Tennessee of a nurse who was giving a little bit of a talk to reporters after getting the vaccine for COVID-19, the coronavirus vaccine, and she fainted while she was talking to reporters.
And so Alex played the audio of that, but it was really bad, so I had to start this after the audio.
It was just unlistenable.
unidentified
Just garbage.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
And she passes out and falls to the ground and had to be taken out later on a stretcher.
And they put out a press release on local ABC News saying, oh, it's quite normal to collapse like this when you take any vaccine.
dan friesen
So this video of the nurse in Tennessee was circulating on social media.
And man, it has all of the optics you wouldn't want if you're trying to reassure people about the safety of a COVID vaccine.
But it's still something that's being used dishonestly.
Nurse Tiffany Dover was answering questions from reporters about getting the vaccine, at which point she said she was feeling dizzy and momentarily fainted.
She later explained that she has a condition where she faints when she feels pain, and it was unlikely something caused by the vaccine.
Alex is also just lying about the video and making up details about it, most glaringly that she had to be carried out on a stretcher.
According to the Associated Press, quote, Dover was back on her feet shortly after passing out.
As it turns out, this is just a reaction that some people have to any kind of shot, and most doctors believe that it's related to pain or anxiety.
You could easily see someone with a history of fainting when experiencing pain, having that amplified by the anxiety of being Totally.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
I do grant that the optics are not what you'd want here at all.
If you're just someone who doesn't care about details and go off emotional reactions to surface-level appearances, then this would be very powerful in terms of painting the vaccine as dangerous, which I guess is the first topic for the American Journal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm not gonna say that it wouldn't be a smarter idea not to have, like, a Southern belle from the 1870s take the first vaccine.
Oh my god!
Ah, this vaccine!
But I will say...
I will say that when I got the hepatitis vaccine before I went to South Africa with my partner, I passed out.
Like, I was sitting on the chair and I had to go down on the ground and lay on the floor.
Because it was such a huge vaccine, too.
dan friesen
I've not had that experience, but I've definitely seen it.
And I know that some people, when they give blood, they can have a chance of passing out.
Or even when you see people giving blood, or whatever, the shock of that, some people get a lot of response to it.
It has nothing to do with what's in the syringe, usually.
So anyway, but there's more to be worried about with this vaccine.
I guess this is also what Alex wants to talk about.
alex jones
You know, it says on the inserts that it can kill you.
This is not a normal vaccine.
It's even worse.
It's an mRNA vaccine that actually goes in and reprograms every major cell group in your body to produce, quote, proteins that block the virus.
Those same proteins happen to be in the placenta, and so it also blocks having a baby.
Sure, sure, toss that in.
For a couple years, when you take some of the mRNA vaccines, I actually have the medical reports from Big Pharma and the trials here in my stack today.
Yes, this isn't a conspiracy theory.
This is a fact.
dan friesen
So, what Alex is talking about there is complete nonsense.
He was recently yelling about the six deaths in the Pfizer trials, which we discussed on a recent episode, and four were in the placebo group, and two were most likely not caused by the vaccine.
That breakdown that they released, which included that information, is probably one of the best resources for information about the effects that have been documented in persons who have been given the vaccine.
And Alex says that he has this in his stack.
He references this material.
In that very document, they say that, quote, Sure.
That still doesn't really help.
You still have no idea how many of these people are sexually active, how many were using birth control, etc.
Without access to any of that data, it seems to me that 23 pregnancies is a fairly normal number, and it also contradicts All of Alex's bullshit.
jordan holmes
Aren't you sick of all these fact-checkers, Dan?
dan friesen
I hate them.
A more important piece of info we can take from that Pfizer report is from table 23 towards the end of the report, which details serious adverse events experienced in the study.
There was one spontaneous abortion that occurred in that group of 43,000 participants.
Which was the only pregnancy or perinatal complication or condition that was reported.
This was someone in the placebo group, so it was not caused by the vaccine.
There's a viral meme that Alex has seen that suggests that the vaccine will cause infertility, but it's a load of shit.
The basic idea is that the spike protein used in the vaccine is the same as the protein that's used by the body to create a placenta, so the vaccine would train your body to attack the very thing you'd need to develop in order to become pregnant.
The protein is called Syncytin-1, but the problem boils down to an elementary misunderstanding on the part of these viral meme makers.
The vaccine uses a spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which does share a small sequence of amino acid with Syncytin-1, but it's not close enough at all in similarity to cause the kind of reaction that Alex is suggesting.
This is just flimsy meme-based nonsense that Alex is passing off as research, and it means nothing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, we have not yet to get to any calls.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's one of those, you know, it's one of those things where it's like, you guys can't know about science for now.
You're just not ready to know a little bit about science.
You're going to hurt yourselves.
dan friesen
Yeah, a little bit is worse than none.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You guys just got to hold off on science.
We'll get to you.
You're going to learn it someday, I promise.
dan friesen
Just say it's like devil magic in the syringe.
jordan holmes
Please, please just, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
This is no good.
Yeah.
So he's going to open the phones next segment, but he has some questions.
These are leading questions.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Well, I want to open the phones up next segment, and I want to ask all the listeners and all of the viewers at 877-789-2539 and all the radio listeners at 877-789-2539 or 877-789.
Alex, I want to ask you, are you planning to take the vaccine?
If you're not, what are you going to do when they try to pressure you and push it on you or try to say it's mandatory as they're doing in some foreign countries and now pushing here?
And then what do you make of the vaccine makers having liability protection so that when and if they hurt you, they don't get in any trouble?
dan friesen
Like, I love the idea that his first question is, are you going to take the vaccine?
Obviously the answer from everybody is, fuck no.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Second question, what are you going to do when they force you to, like, oh, let's swim around in violence fantasies.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
About justified violence.
And then the third question is something that none of them are equipped to have.
A conversation about why companies have liability protection and what it means.
Like, that's something that no one who's calling into his show or Alex himself is prepared to have.
jordan holmes
I mean, I suppose one more question would be, like, how would it feel to be immune to a disease?
Does that sound exciting?
Does anybody feel excited about that?
dan friesen
Is that a Stan Lee superpower?
jordan holmes
You watch this, you can't be hurt by this disease!
And it's because of real stuff, not because of your mind palace or whatever it is.
dan friesen
It's because of magic.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex does not go to calls.
Yeah.
Because he realizes that, like, David Knight's not here.
I'm doing his job.
jordan holmes
He's still got more shit talk to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
If you tuned in, you're wondering where the David Knight show is.
David's done a great job for nine years here.
And David deserves a break.
We really appreciate David Knight.
And so I made the decision to go ahead and, for now, cancel that show.
If he wants to do it on his own, that's wonderful.
Maybe someday he'll do something here where it's once a week or something.
I just think that I'm burnt out and don't want this job.
It's very exhausting, but I have a mission.
And David...
Does not?
David doesn't give a fuck?
If I think that it's a bad thing, I'm going to leave it at that.
But to David...
As a trooper, he needs to take care of himself.
dan friesen
Yeah, so David Knight's not committed, apparently.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what?
dan friesen
He doesn't have a mission like Alex does.
I'm not going to keep a guy on the front lines if he's not...
Let's leave it at that.
Okay, wait.
jordan holmes
So now it's because he's not committed to the cause?
I mean, it must be.
dan friesen
Whether it's like will or ability, he's not somebody you have on the front line, Alex.
jordan holmes
He's not on the team.
dan friesen
That's not just you being a nice guy.
He's not happy here.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That's a whole other explanation.
And it turns out, Alex, there might have been other influences.
alex jones
Sure.
And that's it.
There's no controversy.
There's no secret reason.
It's not because he was bashing Trump every day.
I'm very frustrated with Trump.
That has nothing to do with it.
It has to do with, I've just been thinking about it, praying about it, having dreams about David, really been worried about him.
And I was worried about him last time he had that big heart attack and almost died.
So I just said, hey, that's that.
So we pray for David.
He's a great guy.
He's doing great.
That's it.
Alright, we'll be right back.
dan friesen
So you had a dream.
You had dreams about this.
unidentified
I had a fuck dream about David Knight, so he's gone.
dan friesen
I thought the last straw was Alex learning that...
Black Lives Matter made $10 billion.
jordan holmes
No, it turns out this time it is because if you bash Trump every day...
No, it's not about that.
I'm mad at Trump too.
But if you bash Trump every day, you're not committed to the cause and you're fired.
dan friesen
That's an explanation that he didn't give.
That's an explanation he's put onto the Pchenik section because it's like what you would think based on what he's saying.
But there's another explanation buried in there.
I'm trying to save his life.
He's gonna die if he keeps this up.
jordan holmes
All right, guys.
dan friesen
But I thought he wasn't committed.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I don't know.
I hope he does his show by himself.
You would sue him.
You know you would sue him.
dan friesen
There's a decent chance.
Yeah.
So Alex has something he's got to deal with before he gets to calls, and that is that Mike Pence got a shot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex shouldn't.
jordan holmes
Is he a cyborg or is he dead?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, he's an enemy, according to, you know, recent Infowars lore.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But still would be troubling if Mike Pence got this shot that Alex is saying is going to kill everyone.
alex jones
This is footage of the vice president just 30 minutes ago or so.
Rifle went live on air.
Taking the supposed vaccine.
And I gotta tell you, they've caught world leaders in Germany, Japan, other areas claiming they're taking the shot and then not taking it.
dan friesen
So he's just gonna imply that it's a fake shot?
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
That works.
jordan holmes
I mean, I honestly...
I think it's reasonable to just go with they get the rich guy shot, right?
dan friesen
If you're looking for a theory and you can just make anything up, then why not do that?
jordan holmes
It's more reasonable to think that the wealthy are getting better and different care now than it is to think they are taking the same shot.
I think they're taking the same shot.
dan friesen
I understand where you're coming from.
jordan holmes
But it's fucking reasonable to be like, oh, they're getting rich guy medicine while we get the medium kind.
dan friesen
And Alex has a tradition of talking about clean vaccines.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So why not?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
And he's already said that the mRNA vaccine is better than the older type of vaccine.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Or is it the inverse?
dan friesen
Alex has said, although he dropped this narrative really quick when he realized he didn't know what he was talking about, he said that Trump was putting out the Pfizer vaccine in order to cut Gates off at the pass.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
dan friesen
Because Alex didn't realize that the Pfizer vaccine was an mRNA vaccine.
unidentified
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
So he was saying that Gates wanted to do this evil one, so Trump was putting this out in order to...
Put him in checkmate.
jordan holmes
That's why I got it mixed up, because they're both mRNA bars.
Yeah, now I got it.
He's just dumb.
dan friesen
And that's why that narrative is no longer in play, because Alex realized, oh, I should probably pretend I didn't say that.
jordan holmes
Yes, it would be smarter.
dan friesen
So Alex finally gets to calls.
It's probably about, I would say, 20 minutes in, given commercial breaks, maybe even a little longer.
And man, it doesn't start great.
alex jones
American Journal.
White Washington Journal, but American Journal.
A lot of calls.
Lily in California, you're on the air on the COVID vaccine.
Where do you stand on this?
unidentified
Oh, absolutely not.
It's the mark of the beast.
No way.
dan friesen
What a shock.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
What a shock.
Taking America's temperature.
jordan holmes
All these calls are just going to sound like screech to me.
That's it.
dan friesen
A lot of them, yeah.
jordan holmes
There's no substance.
dan friesen
Well, I don't know about that.
There's also going to be a break in that screeching, though, for plugs.
jordan holmes
Of course.
unidentified
But there's a second thing I wanted to mention very quickly.
It's like, I want fellow listeners to know about the opportunity to support the InfoWars, not only with products, but that there's a Support Us tab.
It's hard to find.
You make it very hard to do it.
But like two weeks ago, I just...
I've purchased lots of your products, the water filter and the various supplements, but right now, especially given everything that you're doing, I just want to put the money in your hand.
I don't know how much I would have to spend for you to have $50 of profit.
dan friesen
I'm blown away.
The first caller on the show is just plugging, giving him money.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Yep.
Not screening calls, of course.
It's amazing.
dan friesen
Hey, Alex, I want to take a little bit of time out on your show and plug that people could just give you money without bills.
jordan holmes
Can't believe that very shortly after announcing that you have to fire David Knight because of money reasons, people are calling in saying, you know, and they're definitely not planted at all.
That would be crazy.
dan friesen
So she goes, Lily leaves, and then we get the second caller.
This is Mountain Patriot.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Let's go ahead and talk to Mountain Patriot in Colorado.
Thank you for holding.
unidentified
Screech!
How you doing, Alex?
alex jones
Man, I'm just working as hard as I can.
We're in such a critical time, brother.
How are you?
unidentified
I love you, man.
I'm going to miss David Knight, but totally understood we are at war.
I want to make a quick plug.
That DNA force...
jordan holmes
Get the fuck!
What are we doing?
dan friesen
It gets really annoying really fast.
jordan holmes
How is that possible?
dan friesen
It almost feels like it can't be.
It is not necessarily planted calls.
jordan holmes
It's not.
dan friesen
I do believe that there is a possibility of just people hearing this happen over and over again.
You get trained that like, oh, the way a call goes with Alex is you plug a product and then you talk.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Okay.
This feels a little bit like, I'm sure you haven't seen it, but there's a movie called Phantom Thread starring, what's his name, who's really good at acting.
dan friesen
I've heard the name of that movie before.
jordan holmes
And, uh, spoilers.
Essentially, he's, like, part of their sex life is she regularly poisons him and takes care of him.
That's kind of a weird thing that they do.
So he just likes getting poisoned?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So I feel like what I'm hearing from all these people is like, I love getting poisoned by your products.
That's just what I do.
I want to send you $50.
dan friesen
I like to trick myself into thinking that your pills do something for me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
You're taking care of me.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
But because of Munchausen's, I guess, I'm forcing myself to get sick.
dan friesen
And this conversation that we're having is actually really interesting because it actually kind of touches on something that really scares me.
You scared me about Mountain Patriot.
unidentified
Okay.
I want to talk about something called the placebo effect that I haven't heard anyone mention in nine months since this all broke out.
jordan holmes
We've been inside.
unidentified
For these medicines, they have to do a double-blind study.
That is, they have to do a double-blind study in order to eliminate the placebo effect, which is your own natural innate ability to heal.
jordan holmes
Let's...
Calm it?
unidentified
Perfect metaphor.
jordan holmes
Calm it?
unidentified
How they want to take our power away.
jordan holmes
Don't do that.
dan friesen
That's terrifying.
jordan holmes
The placebo effect is how we're magic.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This caller legitimately thinks the placebo effect is a term that's used to describe your body's natural ability to heal itself.
Doctors only use double-blind studies because they have to get rid of the possibility that you're just going to psychically heal yourself when you think you're getting medicine.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
First of all, the caller is talking about a single-blind study.
That's when a participant doesn't know whether they're getting a medicine or the placebo.
A double-blind study is when the people administering the trial Double-blind studies are more relevant for eliminating what's known as observer bias.
Placebo effect generally, both help with it.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Secondly, the placebo effect does not describe actual healing.
It's a phenomenon in the brain.
For instance, if you're told that you're being given a pill to treat anxiety, but it's actually a placebo, the fact that you think that you're being given a pill that treats anxiety can have the effect of decreasing your anxiety.
This is a very interesting and complicated thing, but it doesn't work like magic.
If you have an infection and you're given a placebo, it will not treat that infection.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure it will.
dan friesen
You may experience some pain relief or something like that, but you will still have that infection because the placebo is not treating the condition at all.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
If you break your leg and they give you a fake pill that heals legs, your leg will heal naturally if you believe in it.
dan friesen
Sure.
A good way to understand this difference is by looking at a 2011 study from Harvard Medical School, Endicott College, and the University of Hull.
Researchers there were looking to better understand the dynamics of placebo effect and symptom relief, so they designed a study where persons with asthma were given real and placebo inhalers, as well as no treatment and also sham acupuncture.
unidentified
Gotcha.
dan friesen
The study found that patients with placebo inhalers and even the fake...
jordan holmes
Wait, was it specifically sham acupuncture?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
They didn't give...
Real acupuncture might work?
dan friesen
Just in case...
It's just to eliminate another...
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
No, no, I gotcha, I gotcha.
I'm sorry for interrupting it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It seemed really...
dan friesen
It is weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the people with the placebo inhalers and even the fake acupuncture groups subjectively reported feeling better, and they felt like their symptoms were improving.
However, both of these groups that got the false treatments showed no improvement in terms of actual lung function.
The actual asthma was not affected at all by the fake treatments, but some of the symptoms of asthma could be alleviated.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This was not true of the group that got the medicine, in this case albuterol.
those people actually did have greater lung function.
It's great that through the experience of getting treatment, people can experience a beneficial result, but it should not be mistaken for actual treatment.
If the people who got fake inhalers were then forced to perform a task that required lung exertion, they would be at a higher risk than the people who got the albuterol.
This is the placebo effect that blind studies hope to minimize so they can test how effective an actual medication is and what kind of side effects it could have independent of a person's expectations.
This is where you convince people they have a fake ailment, then you give them a placebo to cure it.
His pills won't really do anything, but if he convinces you that your brain just won't work without his iodine, then you take his iodine and your brain works fine.
You'll attribute that to his iodine.
Iodine efficiency is a real condition, but pretty much everyone listening to Alex's show doesn't have it.
But making you think that you might...
Eh, it's a super profitable thing.
When you sell iodine, you can manipulate that placebo effect.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think the only thing that we can confirm his products to, or at least...
dan friesen
Boners?
jordan holmes
Is boners.
dan friesen
And that might even be psychosomatic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
But every time somebody talks about it, there's never like, I have more energy, or like, I feel more assertive.
It's always like, my wife hates me now.
You know, like, it's never...
dan friesen
Yeah, but if you're taking that, maybe you have some kind of a mental block that's inhibiting your ability to become around.
jordan holmes
Or it's just basically bull testosterone that you shove in your face.
dan friesen
It's possible, too.
I don't know.
But anyway, the fact that this...
A scholar who's plugging Alex's product doesn't understand the placebo effect.
That is, like, art.
jordan holmes
You can't have science.
That's perfect.
You can't get it.
dan friesen
It's perfect, though.
It's so tracks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's just, they're just not ready for it.
They're just not, just like how, like, Galileo, admittedly he was a dick, but the people around him just weren't ready for science yet, and he kept trying to give it to them, and then he got trapped.
I mean, again, that was mainly because he was a dick.
But it happens.
dan friesen
Those people weren't ready for science.
jordan holmes
They weren't ready for science.
These people aren't ready for science.
dan friesen
You know what Alex isn't ready to do?
Stop talking about David Knight.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I've had the idea for this show for many, many years.
Never done it.
I decided to do this at about 2 o 'clock yesterday.
I made the decision to go ahead and just launch this show immediately.
jordan holmes
Bad idea.
Really regretting that.
alex jones
We're all stressed out.
There's so much going on.
There's so much happening.
jordan holmes
We could have just taken the day off.
alex jones
I would watch David Knight.
He's just a great guy.
Get ready for four hours in the morning before he went on at 8 a.m.
And then I would sometimes get off my show at like 2 o 'clock, and he would be in the studio researching, looking like he was in living hell.
And I was like, dude, you've got to not work 16 hours a day.
I mean, stacks of notes, computers out.
Just insane.
dan friesen
Isn't that what you say you do, Alex?
jordan holmes
Unreal.
unidentified
So now he said he's firing David because he worked too hard.
jordan holmes
He works too hard.
The man is too committed to the info war.
That's why I had to fire him.
dan friesen
I've never seen him in flip flops.
jordan holmes
He's too serious.
So we have both.
He's not committed and he doesn't care enough and that's why he can't be on the front lines.
And also, he works too hard.
He researches all the time.
He's just too committed.
unidentified
He's here at four in the morning grinding.
jordan holmes
Because he's not committed to the info war.
He's treating this as if it's some kind of job.
dan friesen
None of this makes sense.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's a little bit internally inconsistent, but it is fun to just hear him go all over the place.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It is nice.
dan friesen
Whatever the actual reason behind it, David needed a break.
And Alex knows that because he needs a break.
Alex needs a break.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
But I just wanted to have a clean break.
It hit me yesterday morning.
I watched him on the show and worried about him.
And so that's what this is.
It's also a financial issue.
You know, David doesn't get paid that much, whatever does a great job.
It's just that we don't have enough crew to run all these shows, and they're burnt out.
And with COVID, you know, a few people's wives or whatever were in a place that had it, so they had to leave and take care of them.
And it's just been, it's been like we're a NASCAR that has been in two or three races, but hasn't even had the engine looked at.
And now there's fire coming out of the engine.
So I'm taking off all next week, and I never take off a full week.
I always work wherever I'm at.
I'm going to literally hide my phone and turn the computers off, and I told my wife last night, I said, we're going to put your phone up, and we're going to spend time with the family, and I'm going to disconnect and come back five years younger.
dan friesen
I believe he probably is going to take the week off, but it's also Christmas.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
I mean, he deserves a break, so he's going to do something out of this world and take the week of Christmas off.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
Some people would never dream of doing that.
dan friesen
I'm going to take him at his word.
jordan holmes
They're called everybody who's not...
dan friesen
I'm going to take him at his word and believe that he is actually going to take the week off, and we'll see if he does or not.
jordan holmes
That'd be nice.
dan friesen
He's talking about, like, what's going to happen on the shows, and he's like, Owen Schroer's going to host this morning's show and my show.
I'm like, wait, his show's on right after your show.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Put Owen Schroer to it.
Put him through the...
dan friesen
No, Harrison Smith's going to host the war room.
jordan holmes
No, I want Owen to go through the crucible.
dan friesen
We have to be on air from 8 to 4, 8 to 5 every day.
jordan holmes
How else are you going to get your chops, man?
I used to go out and do 4 or 5 sets in a night.
You've got to get your chops going, so you might as well work 12-hour days.
dan friesen
Anchoring an absurd...
Call-in show.
Call-in show, then sensational thing, then conspiracy bro down.
Three different vibes.
Yeah, it's not going to work.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, it's not going to work.
dan friesen
So Alex gets to another caller who has an interesting question.
unidentified
Everything that you said about needing your essential vitamins and minerals, that should be enough.
Nobody needs these vaccines on top of everything else that's wrong with them.
But my daughter is a mortician in Arizona.
jordan holmes
She's busy.
unidentified
She won't listen.
She used to be open-minded, and I don't know how to get through to her.
And I just want to know if you have any suggestions.
alex jones
Well, I mean, I'm sure you've seen the band segment of Bandot Video with all the nurses and doctors, hundreds of videos, saying it's an overblown fraud.
We've got all these top scientists saying.
The John Hopkins report that came out said there's been as many deaths this year as there was this time last year of other things.
So if the overall death rate's not up, that means they're moving other deaths of flu and...
dan friesen
I can't imagine why this lady's mortician daughter isn't listening to her about the virus being overblown.
jordan holmes
I don't know why my daughter is working also 12-hour days, and she just doesn't believe me.
dan friesen
Well, she looks sadder than David Knight.
jordan holmes
She looks real sad.
Something's really weighing on her, you know?
dan friesen
Alex's narrative here is a load of shit, and if he did one-tenth of the research he pretends to, he would know that.
So here's what happened with that Johns Hopkins thing that he's talking about.
On November 13th, an economics lecturer at Johns Hopkins used faulty data to assert that there was no evidence of excess deaths in the United States this year.
The numbers and analysis this lecturer were using were elementary and didn't take into account a bunch of relevant variables, whereas peer-reviewed studies that follow higher standards have regularly shown an approximately 20% increase in mortality this year over long-term averages.
This wasn't a study or a report.
It was a misrepresentation of data that was delivered in a lecture.
This claim was then covered in the Johns Hopkins student newspaper, the Johns Hopkins newsletter.
Naturally, as soon as people noticed, the paper retracted the story and issued a correction.
In the meantime, however, the Gateway pundit had found the article and began reporting on the erroneous claim made by the econ lecturer.
The right-wing conspiracy narrative is that the lecturer is correct and that the retraction is a cover-up of this obviously accurate information, but that's a bunch of nonsense.
Even the Gateway Pundit's framing of the story is intentionally misleading.
Their headline was, quote, Johns Hopkins study mysteriously disappears after it revealed, in spite of COVID, no more deaths in 2020 than in prior years.
There was no study to disappear.
It was just a fabricated and sensationalized headline.
You can follow the thread from right-wing bullshit website reporting on blog posts from another right-wing bullshit website all the way back to the student newspaper article that has been retracted.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Even in that article, they say that the lecturer, quote, also mentioned that more research and data are needed to truly decipher the effect of COVID-19 on deaths in the United States.
So basically, you have an economics lecturer who gave a talk where she inaccurately interpreted some data, which was then covered by a student newspaper, which was then inaccurately reported on by dumb right-wing blogs.
The student article was retracted, which the right-wing blogs then made part of the conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
This is then reported on by Alex as Johns Hopkins...
Proving in a study that there's no excess deaths in 2020 and that COVID deaths are all a hoax or just other deaths shuffled over, which is what this caller should then tell her mortician daughter to help open her mind about vaccine denialism.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
American Journal!
jordan holmes
I do not want to denigrate student newspapers at all.
During the protests in Chicago, student newspapers did a million times better job than any other local media, and especially better than the national media in Chicago.
dan friesen
There's a double-edged sword to student...
jordan holmes
Yeah, but at the same time, it's still a student newspaper.
We can't be...
The right wing can't be like, ah, student newspaper did something so...
dan friesen
Yeah, it's...
It's hard to make a full statement on it.
Because it's like, okay, yeah, some student journalists are amazingly capable and can do good work.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
But also some mistakes that wouldn't happen in professional newsrooms can happen at student newspapers because they're student newspapers.
Exactly.
The knife cuts both ways.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
It's tough.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
So we got another caller.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Let's take a few calls here before we go to break.
I'll come back and take nothing but calls, but I wanted to hit those stories.
Holding the longest would be...
Kurt in Oklahoma.
Kurt, welcome.
unidentified
There is nothing better, nothing more comfy than waking up, saying a prayer, brewing a cup of Wake Up America Patriot Blend, and calling in to the American Journal.
alex jones
That's right, sir.
Well, we're honored to be here and we're glad to be taking your calls.
What is your view on this situation with the vaccines?
dan friesen
So, this guy's plugging Alex's coffee.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's getting annoying at this point.
jordan holmes
It's very frustrating.
dan friesen
Oh, there's nothing more relaxing than drinking your coffee and calling into the first episode of your show.
jordan holmes
Is that some sort of, like, among Infowars, like...
Diehard listeners, is that some sort of meme?
Like, a way they communicate with each other?
dan friesen
That's interesting.
jordan holmes
Okay, if you plug, you know, like, we're all so used to Alex plugging.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, is that part of, like, a memetic language that they have with each other?
unidentified
It's possible.
dan friesen
It's possible.
And I also think that a lot of times Alex's ads end up using callers in them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because there's that, like, Frank, I need your help, Frank!
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That you would play.
So maybe they're hoping...
jordan holmes
So maybe there's a part of...
Yeah, that could be.
dan friesen
They're hoping that they'll become a commercial that Alex uses.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I don't know.
No, that's possible.
I mean, I know that when I was like 13, 14, I would call and request a song on the radio, like call the DJs.
I was hoping that they would record it and use it to introduce the song.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Maybe that's the same thing, but they're adults.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And they're trying to help Alex sell pills.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a little bit less, it's lower on the totem pole than Rick asking for a song.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So anyway, that caller, just in case you were worried about this, not into the vaccine.
In case you're curious.
Something that Alex isn't into is stop talking about David Knight.
alex jones
And I intend to host this some.
I intend to get other hosts that are going to rotate through.
Maybe David Knight if you want sometimes.
I'll come in and do it.
I'm going to show TV viewers something.
This is a regular David Knight slot for the last four years.
And I just abruptly decided yesterday to...
In that show.
jordan holmes
Shit cannon.
alex jones
Because it was just my gut level thing to do.
The right thing to do.
For David.
For him.
For the country.
For the world.
jordan holmes
Because the country.
alex jones
That he's been worn out and exhausted by this just like I am.
And my gut, my spirit told me to do it.
Here's an example.
Here's a promo he started putting out last week.
Sent out to all these TV stations around the country.
Saying if you haven't picked up the David Knight show.
Top thing here.
Please pick up the David Knight show.
Then Alex Jones.
Then the war room.
This has been sent out starting last week to everyone, explaining that we're on Galaxy 16 video satellite, AMC 18 radio satellite.
I love David.
He's been here nine years.
Really smart guy.
But the election and some of our political disagreements were making him super upset, not me.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Okay, so now he's pissed off.
Okay, first...
dan friesen
So now David is uncomfortable about political disagreements with Alex.
But Alex...
Totally cool.
jordan holmes
Above it.
dan friesen
Totally cool.
jordan holmes
He's chill.
dan friesen
He's chill as hell.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
He's above it.
dan friesen
Also, the whole thing about the promotional materials being sent out last week...
jordan holmes
It sounds like nobody picked up David Knight's show, so they canned him.
dan friesen
That's possible, but Alex is trying to use that as evidence that, like...
alex jones
I don't know.
jordan holmes
We've got more support behind David Knight's show.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
We support him.
All that proves is maybe it was a snap decision.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's all.
jordan holmes
Yeah, nobody picked up his show.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If you've been racking your brain and so worried about how much work he puts in, the fact that you had promotional materials that came out last week doesn't help your case.
jordan holmes
I feel like everybody's so attuned to the vagaries of the TV show business now that there's a part of the...
Why not just say that we didn't pick up his show again?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, it's not hard.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It could be so easy and everybody'd be like, oh, there's a reason, but they just didn't pick up the show.
dan friesen
Hey, Alex, shut up.
jordan holmes
Heroes didn't get a third season and everybody's like, yeah, they didn't pick up the show.
unidentified
It's...
jordan holmes
Or did it get a third season?
dan friesen
I know they had a comeback.
Ooh, that was bad.
It wasn't good.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
Look, dude.
There are a hundred ways you could do this, and none of it requires any of this shit.
jordan holmes
None of...
unidentified
This shit!
jordan holmes
We've got 16 reasons, some of which are I'm a hero and the others are David Knight's disagreeing with me and the others are insane!
dan friesen
Oh boy.
But we do have one explanation for his termination that we get crossed off the list.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
One thing that definitely had nothing to do with it.
jordan holmes
He does have both feet.
alex jones
And during the break they're like, yeah.
People think you got rid of David because of Steve Pacinic.
Steve Pacinic didn't even enter my mind in those two fighting with each other.
So it was him.
unidentified
Zero.
alex jones
It had to do with David was very ashen, very white, looked really sick to him.
jordan holmes
Wow.
alex jones
And I thought about telling him to quit at that point because he looked so depressed.
Okay?
And I almost did it then, and he had a massive heart attack and almost died.
And he's been looking the same, and that's it.
And it's not a personal issue.
It's none of that.
I care about David.
He needs a break.
jordan holmes
He just needs a break.
unidentified
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Listen, it's not Steve!
jordan holmes
Now there's nothing that makes me know it's Steve more than him being like, I never thought about it.
Zero possibility.
Zero possibility of that.
dan friesen
It makes me more suspicious of that.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
And this is one of those instances where it's not just you and I have been saying that.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Sometimes Alex will say, like, oh, people will say I kill dogs a lot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and you're like, no, that's us.
dan friesen
This is something that a lot of people on Twitter have been pointing out.
Because David was tweeting on about how Steve sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So it is a little bit more of a public thing.
But look, dude, he just worked too hard.
That's all it is.
He was ashen.
alex jones
I care about David.
He needs a break.
I mean, again, four hours before the show getting ready, three hours of a show, three, four hours after studying, looking like he's in hell.
And so...
jordan holmes
I fired him.
alex jones
God told me to do it.
It was like 10 a.m. over there.
jordan holmes
God told you.
Okay.
alex jones
I've got to go let David go.
I've just got to do it clean and be done.
And then later after the show, they go, what are you going to do?
And I said, I guess we'll cancel the show.
And they go, a lot of stations picked that up.
And I said, I'm too exhausted.
I'm taking off next week.
I might quit.
This is a real conversation.
They said, you can't quit.
I said, I know.
I just can't focus on the evil anymore.
I know how David feels.
And then you feel like you're not doing enough.
And then your brain runs out of dopamine.
And then I'm super exhausted.
And I don't even have time with my children.
And I said, just take off next week and think about what you're going to do.
But I had to make that decision because I didn't make the decision when my gut told me to do it.
The last time, he almost died.
Okay?
So, I told God this.
I've told you this.
I'm going with my gut now, period.
Because it's never been wrong, and I haven't been following my whole life.
And the more I follow my gut, the more I never make mistakes.
So, I'm not going to put into all the reasons of why it happened.
It has zero to do with Steve Pacini.
jordan holmes
Okay, so it was Steve Pichette.
alex jones
That pissed me off during the break when they were like, uh, yeah, they think it's...
So I'm not involved in this Twitter beef.
dan friesen
Yeah, man, this playground nonsense on Twitter.
jordan holmes
So it was Steve Pichette.
I will put that down as...
dan friesen
Uh, the lady doth protest too much.
jordan holmes
No kidding.
No kidding.
Come on, man.
dan friesen
I'm pissed off that people saw through the bullshit.
jordan holmes
We didn't pick up his show!
That's all you have to say!
dan friesen
Or it could just be like it's personal.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know how many people have left Infowars in the past?
You know how few of them anyone care is gone now?
I can't imagine.
I mean, I guess there's some old-timers who are probably like, hey, where's Jakari?
Where's Leanne McAdoo?
But no one cares.
Joe Biggs is gone.
No one gives a shit.
jordan holmes
David and I had creative disagreements, and so I let him go.
dan friesen
I honestly think that the financial thing is probably your best play.
Easy!
If you could have just stuck to that...
jordan holmes
We're broke!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
Because that elicits support from the audience who want to see your thing not disappear.
It doesn't require you to get into the mud with David about how he works too hard, which is confusing.
jordan holmes
Wild.
unidentified
Because he's also not committed at all to the Infowar.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
And his workload seems to be less than you pretend you have for yourself.
dan friesen
It's all just too complicated.
Just say, like, we had a really good salary for him, and we couldn't carry it into the next quarter.
Right.
unidentified
Or whatever.
dan friesen
That would be adult.
jordan holmes
It almost certainly has to be.
It is personal, and so we can't stick to the fucking story.
dan friesen
There's a mystery here, and I think what I might need to do on Alex's week off, this is going to be painful as hell, I might have to go through the last shows that David Knight did and see if there's some kind of a clue.
I don't know.
Maybe there will be.
I don't know.
That would be a terrible Christmas episode for us to put out.
jordan holmes
I just hope that...
Alex Jones fires me for the next thing I'm about to say.
dan friesen
I am working too hard.
So, Alex gets off this topic for a moment.
unidentified
Anybody notice my ashen face lately?
dan friesen
So, leaving aside Alex's anger and confusion about what exactly happened, he has some optimism.
alex jones
I've told you, Trump has a real shot at staying in office and defeating this election fraud.
If he gets bold...
And if he comes out against a globalist and points out that Biden's a communist Chinese agent, and if he puts all his people in from the Pentagon, it key positions and sells the American people on a limited form of martial law that General Flynn and others have rightfully called for.
When do you call martial law?
When there is a foreign power that has occupied you.
That is what the definition says.
That's the reasons for martial law under U.S. military history.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
So declared 60-something times in U.S. history.
It's usually for insurrections or things like that.
This is a Chi-Com takeover.
We are infiltrated.
Joe Biden does work for China.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
The media did lie and say he was the president.
They did steal these key areas.
We have all the evidence.
We bare minimum need a new election.
Wow.
dan friesen
So the 64 thing or 60-something odd times martial law has been declared is something Alex is just repeating from an interview we heard with Mike Flynn.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So I want to tell you a little trivia.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
How many times do you think martial law has been declared since World War II?
jordan holmes
Since World War II?
unidentified
Twice.
dan friesen
Nine.
jordan holmes
Nine.
dan friesen
Nine times.
jordan holmes
Nine times.
Okay.
dan friesen
And you know what?
Five of them?
I found this in an article from 1989.
Sure.
In the Law and Order Journal.
jordan holmes
Oh, since World War II.
So five of them, I would almost guarantee, are during the Civil Rights era.
Yes, there we go.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Quote, in five instances, it was designed to counter resistance to federal desegregation decrees in the South.
Over half the times any kind of martial law has been used, it's been because of people like Alex who think that desegregation is a communist plot.
It's you.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I was thinking this.
unidentified
If...
jordan holmes
Trump overthrows the government.
Does he still get to keep the POTUS Twitter account?
Because they're going to transfer it over to Biden when Biden becomes president.
Do we have DOTUS?
Dictator of the United States?
Somebody grab up all the dictator-related Twitter accounts.
dan friesen
Kim Jong Trump?
jordan holmes
That would be a good one.
At Kim Jong Trump.
dan friesen
I don't know, man.
I think that Jack would have a really tough decision to make at that point.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Whether he wants to die or give Trump the Twitter handle.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
We'll see.
Billionaires generally are willing to die for causes.
dan friesen
So Alex is at bare minimum new election.
jordan holmes
Right.
Bare minimum.
Yeah.
Which everybody in the United States will accept.
Totally.
Yeah, that'll be something that we're all like, you know what, we gotta get to the bottom of it this time.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Bare minimum new election, now back to calls.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex takes a call from a guy named Baldi.
alex jones
Let's talk to Baldi in Florida.
Baldi, you were down there at the bottom and I missed you.
Sorry, go ahead.
unidentified
Sure, just as a reminder, I'm the one that all through March was calling, begging, and pleading with everyone to realize that this was the April Fool's virus.
dan friesen
Real quick, I do not remember Baldi from that period.
jordan holmes
I'm not worried about it.
unidentified
Now, before I give my baldy briefing on the pending inoculations...
jordan holmes
Is that a regular segment?
unidentified
...for generations to come.
I wanted to spread the truth.
That is President Trump.
alex jones
Hey, brother, do me a favor.
You got me on speakerphone?
No, sir.
unidentified
No, I missed you on speakerphone.
They really missed me on speakerphone.
Is this better?
alex jones
Say it again.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
Is this better?
alex jones
It's just...
jordan holmes
Just hang up.
alex jones
Just talk quietly.
I gotta put him on hold.
I can't handle it.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Don't do a college show, man.
You knew this was gonna happen.
unidentified
God.
dan friesen
Everyone knew this was gonna happen.
I'm shocked it doesn't happen more frequently during this episode.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
There are some tech issues, but this is the worst of it, probably.
But Alex gets pretty pissed off.
jordan holmes
I do not appreciate...
If he does not have some sort of performative show or something, if he's just saying, This is a Baldy briefing to people in, like, regular life.
dan friesen
I love it.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
No, no, I love it.
jordan holmes
No friends.
Zero friends.
dan friesen
I want to hang out with Baldy.
jordan holmes
No, no, thank you.
dan friesen
I want to be briefed.
jordan holmes
Here's a Baldy briefing for you.
Goodbye, sir.
Thank you.
dan friesen
I got a Baldy briefing for you.
It's your turn to buy a round.
jordan holmes
If that's what he calls sex, I'm out!
dan friesen
So we get another caller, and this was interesting.
He wants to know about Steve's election sting stuff.
jordan holmes
Is that why you fired David?
dan friesen
There is an interesting thing that, like, now, Alex, you need to make a statement on this.
Because it's obviously not true.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So you need to put a flag down somewhere of, is Steve lying to you, or is he wrong?
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That kind of thing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And, of course, this leads into more shitting on David.
jordan holmes
Yes, of course.
unidentified
Steve Pachenik, he did say with certainty that he had that whole sting operation with the blockchain and all that.
None of that's been verified.
I mean, what's your comment on that?
From everyone's point of view, it kind of looks like he was a BS-er.
alex jones
Well, we're sure going to find out.
I mean, I'm not wedded to Steve Pichetti.
He's been a guest on the show probably 50, 60, 70 times over the years, maybe more, maybe 100 times.
He went on Owen's show.
I had no idea that was going to happen.
I had him on about some other issues.
And that's one of the things that pushed David over the edge.
I mean, I'll tell people.
He started saying he's going to quit to everybody here.
He said, I'm quitting.
Alex is having Steve Pachinik on.
He went in and told, you know, Rob Duke.
He shouldn't have him on.
Alex doesn't tell you who to have on.
So I don't tell David who to have on.
He shouldn't tell me who to have on.
But that had nothing to do with the fact that David was saying he wanted to quit, he was miserable, and he wouldn't quit.
So I said, fly, my friend.
The door is open.
dan friesen
So now, apparently...
jordan holmes
David wanted out, so I kicked him out the door!
dan friesen
Yeah.
David didn't want me to have Steve Pachenik on anymore, which...
jordan holmes
Had nothing to do with anything.
dan friesen
And he was going to quit, so I just said, get to walk in.
jordan holmes
Get to walk in.
Now, also, I am pointing out that he told me not to have Steve on my show, which I said...
dan friesen
Probably is a courtesy to a friend.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Don't talk to that guy!
He's a menace.
He's ruined your life.
jordan holmes
All right.
Okay, so we are getting closer to the real answer.
dan friesen
Now, Alex starts to get a little bit mad about David Knight.
Giving him editorial advice.
jordan holmes
Sure, there we go.
alex jones
Yeah, the Steve Pachinik thing pushed him over the edge.
He basically told the whole crew he was going to quit.
Well, he didn't do it.
And he said he was going to quit years ago.
So I finally said, look, dude, you don't want to be here, you're free.
And I like David, but I'm not going to sit there, and he's not doing this.
He's a stand-up guy.
You can leave a million dollars with that guy in 10 years, come back, and every dollar will be there.
He's a straight-up, true, good guy.
jordan holmes
So I fired him.
alex jones
But I like a lot of those guys.
A lot of those guys, it's his way or the highway.
So, okay, it's never me telling David what to have on.
It's the other way around.
And he didn't do it a lot, but years ago he was like, hey, you shouldn't cuss on the show.
And you know what?
He's right.
But sometimes I can't help it, and we delay it out.
But I get it.
He's older than me.
I respect my elders, but I'm the boss.
Does that make sense?
unidentified
Yeah, David kept telling me how to do my show, and I pissed off about it.
That's why I had to fire him for his health.
jordan holmes
It has nothing to do with him and Steve Buchanek fighting, even though I brought it up multiple times.
It has nothing to do with him and me fighting, even though I am clearly very angry about it.
dan friesen
I resent that he told me not to swear on my radio show.
jordan holmes
Years ago, and I'm still hanging on to it.
dan friesen
Telling me not to swear on my radio show that I will get fined if I swear on.
jordan holmes
Someone politely offering me just a little bit of advice as a friend, obviously.
dan friesen
David Knight does sound like a stand-up guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he does.
dan friesen
Telling Alex not to have Steve on is a blessing.
That's what I would expect of somebody who worked for me.
That's a friend.
Someone telling me, hey, come on, stop swearing.
You're letting your passions get the best of you.
Your job is contingent on you not swearing on anyone.
It just seems like a guy who's got your back.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
alex jones
Wow.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Anyway, it wasn't because of Steve, though.
You need to know that.
jordan holmes
Oh, sure.
alex jones
I respect my elders, but I'm the boss.
Does that make sense?
unidentified
Makes sense.
And then last thing I want to do a touch on, because I know we're kind of...
alex jones
Stop asking me about David, or I'm going to keep saying more.
I'm asking listeners to drop it.
unidentified
To drop it.
alex jones
I swear to God, on my children...
Hold on a minute!
I'm going to let you go.
I swear to God on my children, Steve Pachenik had nothing to do with this, and David marched up and down the halls here saying he was going to quit for months.
He's gone.
jordan holmes
Because of Steve Pachenik.
alex jones
Don't bring him back up.
dan friesen
So he was marching up and down the halls saying he was going to quit.
jordan holmes
Because of Steve Pachenik.
dan friesen
But Steve had nothing to do with this.
jordan holmes
Nothing to do with this.
dan friesen
And Alex seems a little mad.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
A little mad.
jordan holmes
Maybe people keep bringing up the real answer and it's making it hard for me to continue lying about it.
dan friesen
But this caller didn't say that.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
This caller's question was, do you have a comment on that specific piece of bullshit that was on your show?
Not just Owen's show.
Steve talked about the election sting on Infowars on Alex's show as well.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
That is a very fair question for someone to ask a commentator.
Hey, you put this out.
It is inaccurate.
Do you have a statement on what you think?
Would you like to clear that up?
Instead, Alex starts yelling about David Knight.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Which makes you think that thinking about Steve makes him think about David.
Makes you think that maybe...
jordan holmes
Swear on my kids' lives who are strangely enough...
Oh my god, I just heard they died after I sweared on their lives.
Shit.
dan friesen
I will...
jordan holmes
I think that might be my fault.
dan friesen
I will eat David Knight to save my kids.
What?
Wait, what's going on?
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
dan friesen
Anyway, look, dude.
It had nothing to do with Steve.
alex jones
So I'm the bad guy.
Just like Tony Montana says.
Point at me and say, goodnight to the bad man.
Okay?
Alex Jones is the bad man.
This is not a Howard Stern show where we have fighting on the show and fighting with the crew.
Alright?
I'm not mad at the caller.
I just can't handle it.
I just can't handle it.
Everybody's always got to have some drama.
Steve Pachenik has nothing to do with my decision.
David Knight saying to everyone that would listen he was going to quit is the reason.
Most places you say you're going to quit a couple times, they go, go ahead and quit.
How about 200 times?
And I'm not mad at David.
So have respect for David and drop it.
He got what he wanted.
unidentified
Oh.
alex jones
Let's go ahead and talk to Jefferson in Virginia.
Jefferson, you're on the air.
Welcome.
dan friesen
Wow, I feel welcome.
alex jones
Thank you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
That's a very respectful tribute to David Knight's time.
dan friesen
90% calls on this show.
I would say it's not accurate.
jordan holmes
I realize now that the thing that I don't want people to ask me about...
Is going to be the only thing we talk about on a call-in show!
dan friesen
I love the idea that this is the American Journal.
We're really getting the pulse of the country, and the country is conflicted about why Alex fired David, except no one appears to be except Alex.
unidentified
Alex is the only person who's given contradictory reports on this.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy, buddy.
dan friesen
I would just totally have accepted a number of explanations if they seemed consistent.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you just kept saying the same one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Instead of getting overtly and insanely defensive over the one that you are telling me it's not.
dan friesen
For no reason.
jordan holmes
For no reason.
dan friesen
While you're filling in on his show.
jordan holmes
Here's what you could do.
Hey, do you think it's because of Steve Pachenik?
No, no, no.
It had nothing to do with it.
He just wasn't feeling well.
dan friesen
Hey, guess what?
Alex is also a liar.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, there's that.
dan friesen
He could just say he had another heart attack.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that would be easy.
dan friesen
Yeah, and then David would get on his Twitter and say, I didn't have a heart attack.
And then who cares?
jordan holmes
Nobody would care.
Move forward.
dan friesen
You're a liar by trade.
jordan holmes
No one cares.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway.
I was interested, after listening to this American Journal, to see how Alex holds up on his own show.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So a little bit after this, he takes this call from Jefferson, and then he hangs out for a little bit.
It's boring as hell.
And then John Rappaport takes over for the last half hour.
And Alex jumps in.
And he realizes, as soon as he gets on his own show, that there were some calls that he didn't take on the American Journal.
And so he calls them back.
He has the producers call them back.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
I was called by a listener and he was on air and reminded me that there's actually a federal law saying we can all be experimented on in mass, H.R. 4373.
So, you know, we're all about documentation.
The slugs over at George Soros Run Media Matters that literally are mercenaries against your very life are hoping you don't research this.
dan friesen
I'm guessing that Alex means HR 4373 from the most recent session of Congress?
H.R. 4373 from the 2015-2016 session was the End Drunk Driving Act of 2016, so I'm guessing that's not what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, that's right.
He still doesn't know they start over every Congress.
dan friesen
H.R. 4373 in the most recent Congress is a bill called the Engineering Biology Research and Development Act of 2019.
In December of last year, it passed the House and was sent to the Senate.
has been taken on it since.
It's essentially a dead bill.
Even if this bill had passed, it wasn't something that would allow large-scale evil testing on people.
It was basically a declaration that more grants should be given out to engineering biology fields to expand the pool of researchers working on those topics.
Sure.
unidentified
In case you were curious, though, the End Drunk Driving Act of 2016 didn't even...
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's not surprising.
That's not surprising.
Everybody loves drunk driving.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Alex, you know, Media Matters is afraid of you looking into these things and finding out these bills that are stalled in committee.
You didn't look into this.
jordan holmes
It would terrify you.
dan friesen
Yeah, if only you worked half as hard as David Knight pretends to.
You'd be able to look into that bill and find out.
Whatever.
Anyway, Alex is sort of continuing a lot of the themes from the American Journal, like the whole, like, your placenta will be attacked by the vaccine.
unidentified
Yeah, you're never having a baby again when you take this.
alex jones
And the thing is, they're going to commit this mass crime and have the nurses and the doctors all signed on to it, so when it turns out millions have been sterilized and millions die, slowly, everyone will join in on the cover-up, and the Nazis call that the cement of blood.
They'll now be corrupted and follow any order.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
That sounds scary.
unidentified
Can you sue for defamation?
dan friesen
On the behalf of a field?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, not on behalf of them, but could Pfizer just be like, hey, I'm going to sue you?
Well, like Fox News had to say all those things that they said were lies.
dan friesen
Sidney Powell's Dominion stuff.
jordan holmes
They had to be like, hey, I'm sorry we lied about that.
Now, obviously, they're going to continue lying about it, but can you do that to Alex?
I mean, nobody cares enough, I guess.
dan friesen
I think it would be hard.
jordan holmes
But, I mean, it seems like you can't just say, That a company's vaccine will force you to never have a baby again?
dan friesen
Yeah, it seems like it would be something that should be actionable in some way, but I don't know what the mechanism for it would be.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, obviously, the vaccine itself cannot sue for defamation.
It's true.
dan friesen
And all the people who, like, really do have some standing, don't have the time, and are public figures.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, like, Bill Gates would have a really tough time suing Alex for defamation.
Even though, like...
I mean, there is actual malice.
Alex knows that the things he's saying are not true.
jordan holmes
Could the people who actually created the vaccine sue?
dan friesen
Conceivably.
I don't know.
I'd be interested.
I don't know enough.
jordan holmes
That would be interesting.
Let's do it.
dan friesen
So Alex gets another caller from earlier who's still waiting to talk to him.
Here's an interesting question.
alex jones
PB in Rhode Island.
You're on the air.
Go ahead.
jordan holmes
Princess Bubblegum?
dan friesen
Peanut butter.
unidentified
Thank you for taking my call, and thank you for everything you do.
alex jones
Thank you, brother.
unidentified
I just got a question for you.
As far as the Communist Chinese leaks of over 2 million Communist Chinese agents pretty much released around the world, there was a list of 20 United States governors on that list.
jordan holmes
That seems like a lot.
unidentified
What do you think of that?
And how come it hasn't really gained as much traction in the media?
alex jones
Because the mainstream media is sold out to the Chi-Coms.
I mean, that's what I've been telling everybody forever, and now it's come out.
dan friesen
Oh, maybe because that's not accurate.
Maybe?
jordan holmes
20 seems too high to ignore.
unidentified
Almost half?
jordan holmes
Yeah, 20 seems just too high to ignore.
dan friesen
Almost half of the governors in this country are Chinese secret agents.
jordan holmes
If you said, like, two governors had successfully become secret agents or whatever...
That's more believable than almost half the entire country is run by communist secret agents?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Although that collar would have fit in on the American Journal.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So Alex is still optimistic at this point on the 18th that Trump is going to seize power, and he reveals accidentally that Roger is still lying to him.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I don't ever want to be over-positive, but now I see Trump going after the globalists, and I see all these arrests happening, and I see them canceling Biden's military briefings, and it tells me...
Trump's getting ready to drop the hammer.
And I was told something about Trump.
I'm not going to say whether I heard it from Trump or Roger Stone, but they told me when he was president-elect four-plus years ago that Trump expected this to come down to this.
And so, look, I'm just telling the New World Order, if you're looking for trouble, you came to the right place.
dan friesen
Yeah, I heard this from either Trump or Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was Roger Stone.
dan friesen
Great.
So, in 2016, Roger Stone was saying that Trump planned on declaring martial law and seizing power.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, cool.
Glad you signed on to that.
jordan holmes
When he was president-elect...
Roger Stone told me that Trump would overthrow this democratic government and create a dictatorship, so I'm looking forward to that.
dan friesen
Yeah, I felt like that was the most constitutional thing I could support.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's obvious.
When he leaves office, he's either going to lose all of his money or he's going to wind up going to jail.
I don't see him de-escalating.
dan friesen
I mean, we say that, but why wouldn't he just be on the next season of The Masked Singer?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Why wouldn't he just reinvent himself as a pop star or something?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Probably because he's directly responsible for the deaths of what's going to wind up being 400,000 to 500,000 people.
dan friesen
So, I mean, like, obviously I'm on your side.
jordan holmes
No, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Speaking from the other end, who cares?
There's a giant portion of the population that doesn't care and will give him money.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So, like...
jordan holmes
So, in America, that means...
dan friesen
Yeah, there's another chapter.
As long as he doesn't end up going to prison, even if he lost a ton of money, like rags to riches to rags to riches, or whatever the fuck.
jordan holmes
It's not like he hasn't lost a ton of money before.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
At this point, Alex has gone to break, and he comes back, and it's very jarring, because he comes in with some rap music, and then gets really weird.
alex jones
And I'm not going to cover this news in the next hour because there's more coming in.
I want to really tell you what I think.
In the back of my brain, I'm still percolating what's happening.
unidentified
But...
alex jones
Trump's going to make a run at them.
I mean, that's the bottom line.
And I've talked to really serious people, a lot of them at the Pentagon, and they're all very excited and are going to make a run at them.
And they're getting the hearings ready to give them the political backing for what they need to do.
They're already raiding facilities.
It really is happening.
And right here in Austin, the raids did happen in Germany.
And let's just say this country's fighting for its life right now.
And with 33 days left, we should see some big action the next week.
dan friesen
When I'm going to be taking off.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, so, I mean, like, this is classic Alex.
Just him coming in and being like, I'm not going to cover this story because my gut doesn't...
I'm going to cover it!
alex jones
Trump's going to make a run at him!
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How funny.
dan friesen
So, Alex has just heard this Pentagon story, which he covers a little bit.
alex jones
Yeah, this is out of Axios, Bloomberg, all of it.
Acting Pentagon chief halts Biden transition briefings.
Signaling that Trump is not going to concede and going to use the military.
dan friesen
So this is kind of what tipped him over the edge into like Trump is going to make a run at him.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
It's kind of bullshit.
The Pentagon has said that the reason for the halt in transition activities is because many of the staff felt overwhelmed by the demands of the transition, but are, quote, still committed to a productive transition of power.
jordan holmes
We didn't used to have to do our jobs.
dan friesen
That quote cut off at transition, I just said, of power.
So maybe I don't want to mislead by adding to the quote.
These people said that they decided to, quote, take a knee until after the holidays because, quote, Yeah.
field of actually governing.
Yeah.
unidentified
So it's not a surprise that the people he would choose would be the type of folks who would be overwhelmed by work.
dan friesen
This is still upsetting and horrible and everything, but I'm not sure it's proof that Trump is set to use the military to stay in power.
jordan holmes
When incompetence among officials that Trump has directly appointed is an option, it's almost always the right one.
dan friesen
We can't get this shit done, and there's too many meetings.
Oh, no.
I could see that.
I could also see it being a, like, just...
Almost sabotage, petulance kind of thing.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
But I don't know if I think that it's an indication that Trump's going to use the military.
jordan holmes
I don't think so, but I mean, it does make so much sense for the transition team to be like...
Here's the intelligence that we expect you to give us.
And they're like, ooh, we were told not to learn that kind of stuff, so we don't have it.
dan friesen
Yeah, running out the clock to show that, ooh, we were drinking these last four years.
We did nothing.
jordan holmes
We were allowed to act with impunity.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's a possible explanation.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
And I don't know.
I guess we'll have to see how it plays out.
But that's really what is behind Alex's ha-ha-ha.
jordan holmes
Breaking news, the entire Biden family.
Oh no, that's not good.
dan friesen
So Alex has found this news story about the Supreme Court and someone yelling, Justice Roberts yelling about how we can't do this.
unidentified
We can't let Trump's cases come to court.
alex jones
But it looks bad waiting this long for McConnell to roll over and be a Chi-Com agent.
The Supreme Court to roll over and be Chi-Com agents.
To have Roberts screaming and yelling, saying the Democrats will burn America.
So we're all scared of Trump's martial law to counter their martial law.
But we got the justice, the deposed chief justice saying, we can't do this because if we do, screaming at the other justices who all crapped their pants and got in line, the other eight, that's in the news now.
unidentified
credible sources, congressmen, sources, the aides, talk to their aides, that he pistol-wepped them.
alex jones
He screamed at them for hours that there'll be riots.
Because that's what Black Lives Matter and $10.6 billion of BS1.
dan friesen
So this story isn't true.
Alex just saw a viral online post about it where a man named Matt Patrick argued at a December 14th meeting of the Texas electors that the Supreme Court was too cowardly to deal with the issues in front of them.
He claimed to have heard a story from a Supreme Court staffer that Justice Roberts yelled at fellow judges that they needed to dismiss the Texas Attorney General's case, saying that he didn't care about Bush versus Gore because there were riots going on and there weren't in 2000.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This man did not hear this story from a staffer.
He read it on right-wing extremist Hal Turner's website.
Someone wrote Hal Turner anonymously, claiming to be a Supreme Court staffer, and told this story, which Hal reported on December 12th, with absolutely no verification whatsoever.
There's also very strong reasons just on its face to not believe this story, like what was posted and pointed out by Snopes, the fact that these Supreme Court justices have not met in person for months.
There is that.
So there's not really...
A closed-door meeting that this staffer, alleged staffer, could have overheard.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but you could almost buy John Roberts, just because I'm sure, at least in some small way, he has to resent Barrett and Kavanaugh, because his job used to be so much more solemn and respected, and now with Barrett and Kavanaugh on there, he's kind of an idiot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, whenever you have Notorious on there, you know, it's like she gives you a gravitas of the Supreme Court of like, look, this is what the Supreme Court can do.
And now, like, Barrett writes her decisions in crayon.
And it's like, I don't think you're supposed to be here.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I can't think of Kavanaugh without thinking of Squeeze.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Poor Judge Roberts.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm so sad for him.
I'm so sad for going...
dan friesen
Or maybe not, but...
jordan holmes
Well, going down in history as a moron is going to be a real bummer.
dan friesen
Speaking of people who are going to go down in history as morons and are looked as such now, David Icke is not on the show.
However, his son is.
alex jones
And I'll take calls for a couple segments.
And then David Icke's son, who's quite the filmmaker...
He's going to be joining us with some big breaking news.
dan friesen
I love these guys talking about merits and getting by based on what you do, what you produce.
jordan holmes
Bootstraps!
dan friesen
We're going to talk to David Icke's son.
jordan holmes
We're going to talk to someone who...
dan friesen
Someone who's such a great filmmaker that you have to introduce him not by his name, but as David Icke's son.
jordan holmes
David Icke's son.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Wow, that is sad.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
I would not like to be David Icke's son.
dan friesen
He seems to enjoy it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So, Alex has noticed that Howard Stern has been doing some segments where they make fun of Alex.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
They have been doing that for a while.
Oh.
And lately, I guess, Alex wants to talk about it.
I don't know.
This is really interesting, because they are making fun of Alex.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's very clearly mocking him.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex might have a different angle on it.
alex jones
But Howard Stern!
Still has a gigantic show, number one show on XM.
Probably reaches 5 million people a day conservatively to tune in.
And he's up there every week now doing these puppet show videos that are very viral and send us a lot of new listeners.
So I don't want to attack Stern too much so he gets in trouble and can't make it.
I know Stern said he was a listener before and had me on a few times as a guest.
I used to go on his network like once a month for years until somebody killed him.
And so I think overall, Stern's trying to actually warn people through the show.
Maybe I'm wrong.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe you're wrong.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
So I think that Stern is, like, subtly trying to get InfoWars messages out on his show by making fun of me, and I don't want to get too much attention on it, so he can't do it anymore.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Who the fuck?
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Yeah, the character of Alex is largely selling shit.
jordan holmes
I like the way that he brings me more attention and doesn't actually affect whether or not people believe my bullshit, but I don't like having to say nice things about it.
dan friesen
So Alex has got this idea about Justice John Roberts.
He's being a coward and all this.
He's yelling behind closed doors.
And actually, Alex knows why.
alex jones
Well, that's Roberts getting a call from Holder and Obama that knows about him and his kidnapped kids and how his adopted kids were kidnapped, reportedly.
And so he's on a very short chain.
And so he's there going, we've got to do this, we've got to do this.
And so he's a big problem.
dan friesen
I guess there's blackmail.
A good thing Alex threw in reportedly there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the Supreme Court, notoriously a friend of the Obama administration.
dan friesen
Yeah, Obama and Eric Holder are really coming through right now.
jordan holmes
Good timing.
dan friesen
I mean, like, why?
What are they doing?
What have they been doing?
jordan holmes
They want to get the individual mandate back.
unidentified
Again.
Oh.
jordan holmes
We're going to do it this time, guys.
Now that we know his kids were stolen, and that's why he's got them, Holder is ready to pull the trigger now.
dan friesen
Yep, that must be it.
jordan holmes
That must be it?
dan friesen
You'd assume that a number of things would have gone differently if Eric Holder...
Had some blackmail on.
jordan holmes
That would suggest that when Holder lost, he also was telling him, hey, look, I'm planning on losing this one.
So make it convincing, I guess.
Jesus.
dan friesen
Ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex takes more calls, and this one, this caller here, wants a civil war.
unidentified
If they don't do anything about this, I say we need to just have a civil war, because there's no way we'll survive under Biden.
It's not about us, it's about future generations.
We need to make moves now.
Sacrifice our lives.
alex jones
Well, I know people are ready to fight, and that's what scares the enemy.
My issue is, and thank you for the call.
God bless you, Heather.
I wouldn't even call it a civil war.
I mean, this is a foreign occupation with collaborators.
So this is a recapturing of America operations.
And I think there are a lot of forces that aren't going to put up with this.
The Tricom's pissing on us.
dan friesen
His problem seems to be semantics.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it sounds like that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I do not appreciate how casual so many people are with bandying civil war about.
dan friesen
It's pretty fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think we need a civil war.
You know, just that's one of those things you talk about in the...
dan friesen
We just lay down our lives for the future generations.
We should all just die fighting against our fellow citizens.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Look.
My problem is terminology.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
I don't like Alex's rebuttal.
jordan holmes
No, no, it's not good.
It's not a civil war.
It's a recapturing.
dan friesen
It implies that he's okay with everything but the word.
jordan holmes
Yes, pretty much.
dan friesen
So we get to David Icke's son, and we're not going to listen to this interview.
I just have one clip, because it's classic Alex.
unidentified
They're not going to stop until we stand up as a race, as a species, and stop them.
I mean...
I've heard so many times through this.
I'm sure you have as well.
You've been asked the question is, when does this end?
And the simple answer to that is it ends when we stop doing it.
It ends when we stop allowing them to control us.
alex jones
You know, that's basically a Thomas Everson quote.
He was asked, how bad will tyrants get?
How far will they push?
And he said, exactly as far as you let them.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
unidentified
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah, totally.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Fake Thomas Jefferson quote being told to David Icke's kid.
jordan holmes
Still doing the TJ.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
So we have one last clip here, Jordan.
And this is a mic down clip because it is a return to form.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It is Alex talking over You Belong to the City.
jordan holmes
Sure, I'm excited.
dan friesen
Yep.
We haven't heard a good one of those in a while.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then I think it just ends perfectly.
This is like a nice little ride.
It's not his best rant over the song, but the coda to the end, much like the piano in Layla.
jordan holmes
Sure.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
Mix the song.
unidentified
Okay.
You can feel it.
You can taste it.
You can see it.
You can face it You can hear it It's the brain awakening You can hear it Oh yeah The only thing you need to know is that this enemy attack is a desperate counter-offensive.
alex jones
We are winning.
Humanity is awakening.
Humanity holds the keys to human destiny.
And so as long as you don't submit...
And as long as you don't hate yourself, and as long as you know how amazing you are, and that spark and that splinter of God's mind that created you, there's nothing they can do against you.
Like Dr. Nick Baggett says, as your life is closer to death, every minute becomes more valuable.
Every second until you're finally gone at the next level, and then there's eternity.
And nothing but consciousness.
So you need to transcend that fear.
He's about to take over here in just a minute or so.
Kathy in Alaska, go ahead and thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello?
Oh boy.
jordan holmes
Oh man.
dan friesen
Just like Alex is like an angry Alan Watts.
Yeah.
Life ticks away and then there's just eternity.
jordan holmes
I don't know why I can't get this.
I just want now to hear Carl Sagan's pale blue dot speech, But Over You Belong to the Sea.
dan friesen
There is something really great about that song and Alex's weird rambling space nonsense.
jordan holmes
It's just so good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
And one day we will all fly away on Saturn's rings.
dan friesen
And there's nothing that evil can do about it.
It is great.
And then just like the reality that comes crashing, crashing.
The music dies.
And then she's like, long pause.
jordan holmes
Hello?
dan friesen
It's just so great.
jordan holmes
Are you going to keep playing You Belong to the City?
I wanted to talk over it.
dan friesen
So great.
So great.
I would probably listen to Alex talk over that song for like...
jordan holmes
an hour on the treadmill yeah like i it would it would get me there yeah it would help me oh totally yeah yeah if he was if he was like just gonna switch to just eckhart tolle tapes yeah but only over music just like a banging soundtrack that he talks shit over i would listen to that you know you you referenced uh i think it was on our last episode the album the of paul stanley song introduction yes yeah let me get this off my chest yeah yeah i think it would be awesome if Alex would record just an hour of free-form
unidentified
improvisation Improvisational speeches over that sax.
jordan holmes
Sweary Carey basically did it.
I mean, she sang.
dan friesen
A little.
jordan holmes
She sang, but yeah.
dan friesen
I want to hear Alex do a William Shatner spoken word style album over You Belong to the City.
That's the entire background.
jordan holmes
Oh man, just constant.
That would win back a lot of hearts and minds, I think.
dan friesen
That would win a Grammy.
jordan holmes
Open White Eagle is snubbed again, but AJ winds up in the top pop charts.
dan friesen
This is going to be his first step to EGOT-ing.
He's going to get a...
What would it be called?
A delayed Oscar for his star turn in A Scanner Darkly.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
That cameo of him yelling into a bullhorn.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're going to mistake his endgame for Avengers endgame and give a retroactive Oscar for that.
dan friesen
Okay, you can have two Oscars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then he's going to get a Tony for his version of Hamilton.
jordan holmes
Right.
But it's Jefferson, and it's all not true.
It's all not true.
Jefferson's ripped and shirtless the whole time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And then he gets an Emmy for that time he was on The View.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would give him an Emmy.
unidentified
All right.
He got it.
He got it.
dan friesen
So this, somebody's not going to get any awards for is The American Journal.
jordan holmes
No, I don't think so.
dan friesen
That show sucks.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I hate to say it because I got really excited.
I'll be honest.
Whenever the David Knight firing happened, I was very confused.
And then when I learned the next day that Alex was really showing some go-get-em spirit, some vim, some vigor, I was pumped because I was like, this could be really fun.
And instead he just complains about David Knight and takes boring calls.
Like, it's not a good show.
It would actually be a better show with Harrison Smith hosting it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Because he's boring as hell.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you could have somebody who can just be a cardboard cutout with the callers.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's a good use.
jordan holmes
That's what Washington...
dan friesen
That guy has a little bit of competence, though.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying that he's just...
I think he's great.
He does what he does really well.
dan friesen
He's like the straight man in a comedy team where you think they're doing nothing, but it's...
jordan holmes
No, he's Dave Foley.
dan friesen
There's nuance to that nothing.
Harrison Smith would just be nothing.
jordan holmes
But it would still work better than Alex.
dan friesen
At least half an hour of this entire time was him yelling about conflicting reports.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Just because he's petty and he's angry and wants to save face about firing old Greybeard.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's weird.
I still am not convinced 100% that it was Steve, but his performance makes me think it was.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And that's not good.
jordan holmes
If I was 50-50, now I'm at 70-30.
Every time he denies it, it goes up 10%.
You know?
That kind of thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I guess it can't be financial, because if Alex is doing this, it would require the crew that would be there for David anyway.
So I guess salary, if David and I was making a bunch, I don't know.
I don't trust any of this shit.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, Corsi, whenever we found out how much fucking money he was making...
dan friesen
Yeah, but he had juice.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Corsi was a name.
jordan holmes
He was a swift motor.
Knight had a long career there.
I assume he hopefully got a 3% raise every year.
dan friesen
I bet he started in 2009 at $5.15 an hour.
jordan holmes
Give him a cola at least.
dan friesen
No benefits.
jordan holmes
Cost of living, man.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
No insurance?
dan friesen
There's a soda machine in the break room.
Yeah, I don't know.
I would assume...
It's so hard to say.
I always think like, man, they must be getting paid a lot because this is degrading work.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
But I think if you're in, you realize you can't go anywhere else.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Now David Knight could.
Like we said, he could go to Newsmax or OAN really easily and probably get a decent contract.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But 2010, 2011, there wasn't anywhere.
That David Knight could go.
Maybe The Blaze, but that didn't exist that whole thing.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Once he walked in the door, he was stuck for a while.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And he's David Knight, so he wasn't going to cause enough problems elsewhere to justify a firing until Steve Pachetic says something batshit.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And he's like, guys.
dan friesen
Another thing that was batshit.
jordan holmes
We can't.
Do this.
This is my final straw.
dan friesen
And it kind of makes you think, because David Knight was saying that the last straw for him and Steve was the Las Vegas shooting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And after that, Steve didn't appear on Alex's show for quite a while.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
So it makes you think that maybe Alex listened to him at that point.
Maybe behind the scenes, David was the one who was being like, look.
This is really fucked up.
We can't allow him to...
jordan holmes
We do know that David has told him not to have certain people on in the past.
dan friesen
I know.
I heard Alex complain about that.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He was very offended.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And that's why Black Lives Matter made $10.6 billion.
jordan holmes
And we had to fire David Knight.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think this story will unravel further in the coming days.
But since Alex is theoretically taking a week off, that leaves us without anything for a while.
So I was thinking maybe we should do a Project Camelot on Friday, maybe?
jordan holmes
Ooh, that might be fun.
dan friesen
Or we'll figure out something.
unidentified
We'll see.
dan friesen
I'm not gonna do a David Knight episode.
On Christmas Eve.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
That's not a present for anyone.
dan friesen
I know that not everybody celebrates all the same holidays, but for those who do, that would be a shit present.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Sorry about that.
dan friesen
I don't want to do that to you.
jordan holmes
No, not interested.
dan friesen
But either way, we'll be back.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
unidentified
We are on Facebook.
jordan holmes
If you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work right now.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZXClark.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
I am not ending this show because of Steve Pachanek.
I swear.
I swear I'm not ending this show.
Right now, we're about to finish this show and it has nothing to do with Steve Pachanek.
It just has everything to do with...
Look, Jordan has been tired for like the last 30 minutes or so and he wants to end the show.
I would like to keep the show going.
jordan holmes
You've got to fire Jordan!
dan friesen
I would like the show to keep going.
Replace him with Melania.
But look, everybody needs a break.
Jordan looks like he's going to have a heart attack.
He's ashen.
Anyway, finances are tight, so we can't do another half hour.
It has nothing to do with Steve.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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