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Dec. 21, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#513: December 18, 2020

In Knowledge Fight #513, Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dissect Alex Jones’ December 18, 2020 episode, where he pivoted from vaccine conspiracy theories—claiming COVID-19 shots cause infertility and citing debunked Pfizer data—to justifying David Knight’s firing after nine years, despite Knight’s past warnings about political conflicts. Jones also promoted The American Journal, his C-SPAN parody, while mocking callers like Baldy from Florida and Heather, who advocated civil war. Unverified claims, including Pentagon martial law plots and Justice Roberts’ "pistol-whipping," were presented as credible, while financial motives for Knight’s departure were ignored. The episode reveals Jones’ pattern of deflection, misinformation, and self-promotion, underscoring his detachment from accountability in both politics and media. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
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alex jones
infowars 23:04
d
dan friesen
48:50
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jordan holmes
24:51
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jaymie icke
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
alex jones
Knowledgeparty.com.
It's time to pray.
And I have great respect for knowledge fight.
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang me are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
Rattler, rattler, rattler.
alex jones
I need fight money.
Andy and Pansy.
unidentified
Andy and Pandy.
alex jones
Stop.
Andy and Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the earth.
unidentified
Thanks for all those.
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish fan color.
alex jones
And I love your room.
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Joe's.
unidentified
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
Dan?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up, Joe, Dan?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is that wonderful intersection of aspiration and limitations.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
dan friesen
I got.
jordan holmes
Are you talking about finishing an entire waffle house meal?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Oh, I got some sheet metal from the local hardware store the other day because it dawned on me that I love breakfast sandwiches.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I can make them myself if I make eggs round.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I was like, oh, if I just get some sheet metal, I could make a round thing that I could put in a pan.
jordan holmes
You're making your own cutouts.
You're making cookie cutters.
dan friesen
Basically, yeah.
jordan holmes
Out of sheet metal.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
You can just buy them.
dan friesen
Well, that's the limitations.
jordan holmes
As well.
dan friesen
So I spent a while cutting up some metal.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
I didn't cut myself or anything, so that's a problem.
unidentified
Well, that's good.
jordan holmes
That's plus.
dan friesen
But yeah, I got through a couple trials of it, and the egg kept seeping out from under it because it's not perfect.
jordan holmes
It's not perfectly fit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I was like, ah, what can I do?
How can I fix this?
And so I googled it, and I was like, oh, they cost eight bucks for four of those.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It costs nothing.
I was like, nothing.
I have no idea why you bought.
Why did you buy sheet metal?
What was your thought process on that?
dan friesen
I was taking a walk to get out of the house and I saw the hardware store and I like the hardware guys.
And I was like, oh, I've been, I had that thought about round eggs.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Why don't I see if they have anything I could sheet metal in there?
And so I did.
And, well, it felt fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The aspiration phase felt really fun.
Like, I'm being crafty.
I'm trying to build something.
And I did succeed.
It just wasn't that good.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Like, I made something that worked.
Like, I made egg patties.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
They just weren't great.
And they did leak a little bit.
But they were round.
jordan holmes
You win some, you lose some.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I think that's good.
dan friesen
I consider it a partial victory that I then forfeited to buying a couple.
jordan holmes
I think that you even tried to construct your own is a victory in and of itself.
dan friesen
Yeah, I feel better for trying, but also qualified success.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is.
dan friesen
Qualified success.
jordan holmes
I think you are, though, technically a weekend warrior now, Dan.
dan friesen
I have that urge.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what you do.
dan friesen
Yep.
I need a sink to fix.
jordan holmes
I need these projects.
Yes.
dan friesen
To fail on a goddamn chair.
jordan holmes
I'm going to build a goddamn chair today.
dan friesen
I'm going to try really hard and then I'm going to buy a chair.
That's my weekend.
jordan holmes
It's a good thing you don't have any like trimming to do because you would have a series of chainsaws and shit that would be a nightmare.
dan friesen
No, probably not.
I probably stopped just short of that.
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot?
My bright spot, Dan, is, I don't know if you recall.
Do you remember a few weeks ago when I talked to you about the Mandalorian?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it was, what I said to you was that it was a screw.
It was like, it's junk food.
You know, it's everything you want.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
And the season finale was such that it was just.
I can't even, without spoilers, I can't even begin to describe it because it was like I could feel myself in the writer's room.
dan friesen
Did they say that Baby Yoda's name isn't Grogu?
jordan holmes
No, but if only they could.
dan friesen
I would figure that would be a nice twist.
jordan holmes
It would be nice if the twist ending, the person who arrived was like, nah, You're baby Yoda.
Moving on now.
Let's get out of here.
dan friesen
Grogu is dead.
Long live Baby Yoda.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
But it was very much like a, I didn't, I knew it was possible, but I never thought they would do it.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Have you, I think I would liken it to, have you ever seen a wrestling pay-per-view perhaps when you were younger?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Where all of a sudden you heard the music.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
And you were like, oh, shit, they did it.
dan friesen
You hear the glass break and Stone Cold.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And Stone Cold comes out and you're like, I didn't think it was going to be Stone Cold and it was him.
It's like that, but if your childhood came back and kicked you in the dick.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Well, fantastic.
dan friesen
I have no idea what you're talking about.
And I'm glad you enjoyed it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I'm sorry I didn't make anything.
dan friesen
So, technically, I barely did.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
Today we've got an interesting episode to go over, Jordan.
We're talking about Friday of last week, to be the 18th of December, 2020.
I'm banned.
This is 2020.
jordan holmes
Hey, that's good news.
dan friesen
This is an interesting thing.
jordan holmes
It's a thing.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And we'll get into exactly why it's an interesting thing.
I'm not saying an episode.
jordan holmes
Is that David Knight's music being played in the background?
dan friesen
Glass breaks.
unidentified
David Knight comes that turn.
jordan holmes
We're back.
Oh, my God.
unidentified
David Knight has parted the Red Sea.
jordan holmes
And now it's time to bring back my show, where I will talk for three hours.
dan friesen
No, that is.
David Knight does not make an appearance, although we might learn a few things.
I'm going to actually have a request for you taking notes throughout this episode that we'll get to here in a few.
But before we do that, let's take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Stephen T. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Stephen.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, David D. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, David.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Mo S. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Mo.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Owen H. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Owen.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Gina GM.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Gina.
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Adam, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Adam.
alex jones
Thank you, Adam.
dan friesen
No last initial at all.
jordan holmes
No last initial at all.
It was the first Adam?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Holy shit.
Yep.
Next, Laura C. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Laura.
Lego.
dan friesen
And then finally, like, say thank you to a couple people who donated on Elevated Level.
We appreciate that very much.
So first, Larry Clayman for Supreme Court.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Mean Blackbird.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey mate, that's fantastic.
Have yourself a brood.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We got to go full-tailed buggy on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare info war on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Larry Clayman for Supreme Court.
And thank you so much, Mean Blackbird.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much to both of you.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and thinking, hey, I enjoy the show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show, or...
jordan holmes
What you could do is take a look at your little spaceship.
You could hop in that little spaceship with the intent of solving many problems.
And when you arrive at your destination, you can tear apart everyone in your path trying to keep you from expressing your generosity by going to a local bamfight or charity.
dan friesen
Give your generosity to Grogu.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you.
dan friesen
Give your Grogu to a local charity in your area.
jordan holmes
I like the idea of you starting over watching The Mandalorian again, just staring at him, just going, Grogu.
Your fucking Grogu.
dan friesen
Your Grogu?
jordan holmes
You can't experience it unless you don't know his name.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't think I'll ever watch it now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
I'm interested in seeing Werner Herzog's delightful performance.
jordan holmes
It's fantastic.
dan friesen
I'm excited about some of the screenshots I've seen of.
unidentified
The child will be something incredible.
dan friesen
Yeah, I would like to.
Now I can't.
Grogu.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Unfortunately, his name is Grogu.
dan friesen
Grogu has celebrated 50 birthdays, from what I understand.
Is that correct?
jordan holmes
Yes, it is.
dan friesen
Someone who's celebrating a birthday today would like to give a shout out to Wendy.
Happy birthday, Wendy.
jordan holmes
Happy birthday, Wendy.
dan friesen
Wendy informed us that her birthday.
jordan holmes
Her last name was Grogu?
dan friesen
No.
Birthday on Monday, and it's the shortest day of the year.
I know we had some dispute about day lengths a while ago.
jordan holmes
Oh, it is the winter solstice.
dan friesen
So happy solstice and happy birthday, Wendy.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
I hope you are a witch.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
So, Jordan, today, like I said, we got a thing to go over.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And that is going to be a lot of Alex.
Because Alex Jones did double duty on Friday.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
He hosted David Knight's show and then his own show.
Oh, God.
So here is an out-of-context drop from Alex.
alex jones
You understand?
You got to scare the living hell out of your kids.
dan friesen
Okay.
All right.
Good parenting advice from Alex.
Always got to appreciate that.
jordan holmes
That was, I believe, Scarecrow's policy.
Spare the scarecrow, spoil the child.
dan friesen
Scare the child, don't spoil.
I don't know how to do this.
So Alex hosted his own broadcast, the Alex Jones Show trademark, copyright-free.
Anyone can use it, whatever, who cares.
jordan holmes
Of course, no problem.
dan friesen
Before that, because he had fired David Knight the day before, he needed to fill that time.
Sure.
Something had to go there.
And so what he decided to do was finally do that show that was mostly callers.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So he's decided he's going to start a new show called The American Journal.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here.
alex jones
Yes.
jordan holmes
The American Journal.
dan friesen
It's a parody.
I say it's a parody.
He would say it's an homage to the Washington Journal on C-SPAM.
Right.
And he says that about a hundred times throughout the three-hour show.
jordan holmes
I don't think his audience would get the reference otherwise.
dan friesen
He does really hammer it home.
It's like the Washington Journal, but it's America.
jordan holmes
We've never seen C-SPAM.
dan friesen
So here is an out-of-context drop from one of the callers on the American Journal.
unidentified
All these people that think that this COVID shot is going to cure them or even make them into a cyborg human being, they're wrong.
It is not.
It is going to kill them.
Oh.
dan friesen
Getting the pulse of America.
jordan holmes
That is the American Journal.
I think that would be a fairly good chronicle of our times.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
All these people out there who think the shot's going to turn into a cyborg, they're wrong.
jordan holmes
Idiots.
They're so goddamn stupid they think they're going to turn into a cyborg.
dan friesen
God, we're taking the time to hear these misses.
jordan holmes
We got to debunk all of these falsehoods that are going around, Dan.
dan friesen
So here's Alex starting off the journal.
And the journal starts earlier.
Alex is used to starting his show at 11.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
This one starts at 8.
That's too early.
Yeah, so he's in there early.
unidentified
You're listening to the American Journal with your host, Alex Jones.
Watch it live right now at banned.video.
alex jones
All right, folks, we are live on this Friday transmission.
Thank you so much for joining us on this December 17th broadcast.
So much going on.
There's so much happening.
I work seven days a week.
I'm not even sure what day it is anymore.
Makes my head spin.
dan friesen
It's the 18th.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, it does.
That's not an auspicious beginning.
jordan holmes
No, it does sound like he's already taking his time to run out of the clock.
Already stalling.
dan friesen
Minute one of the American Journal.
jordan holmes
Ladies and gentlemen, we begin our show in the middle of America.
Yeah.
dan friesen
We are going to take calls.
I'm going to say a million fucking times that this is like the Washington Journal, but I'm doing it.
jordan holmes
It's going to be one.
dan friesen
I'm going to complain a whole bunch.
John Rappaport's going to host the last half hour because I got to take a break in between this and my show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, six hours straight is a lot.
dan friesen
The whole show is supposed to be about taking calls.
And the last half hour is John Rappaport not taking calls.
jordan holmes
Hey, come on.
He's John Rappaport.
He's not on his feet.
dan friesen
It's ridiculous.
No.
So anyway, Alex realizes that it's the 18th.
alex jones
Now, I told the guys months ago I had an idea.
I told the crew for something like a let's buy another tank.
National Journal Program based on the Washington Journal.
And that's what we're doing right now.
It is Friday, December 18th, 2020.
I was looking up there on the computer board that said December 17th, 2020.
And I said, that's not right.
It's Friday, December 18th.
But of course, that's why you can't always trust computers, can you?
dan friesen
Sometimes computers lie to you.
We need to be aware of this.
jordan holmes
Wait, is the Washington Journal the one where it's the guy who is steadfast in his not having a facial expression?
Like somebody calls in and they're like, I think dogs are going to own this world.
And he's like, that was a good call.
Next caller.
dan friesen
And they have got the Republican and Democrat lines.
Independent lines.
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yes, that guy shows.
All right.
dan friesen
Alex thinks he's capable of doing that.
And boy, I will tell you from round one, he is not.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
So flappable, he is.
Un he is not.
dan friesen
I just, I mean, like, it would be like if the Washington Journal host constantly forgot why he was there.
That's kind of the way you would make it be.
jordan holmes
All right.
I like it.
dan friesen
But the aspiration is there.
Much like me trying to make these egg rounds.
Sure.
Alex intends to take 90% calls.
alex jones
So here we are, and I told the crew months ago that I wanted to launch a show either in the morning or at night and call it National Journal, kind of after the Washington Journal, to really habituate myself or whoever the host would be.
I thought of it kind of as a rotating group of hosts to take a lot of phone calls and actually do it every day because the show is based at least 90% on phone calls.
And so that is what we are doing here on this live Friday, December 18th, 2020 broadcast.
dan friesen
I will give Alex some credit and say that it's more calls than you'd expect based on his history.
Sure.
It's still not 90%.
It's not, it's, and some of them are talking about how you're not going to turn into a cyborg.
So then some of them you might as well not have.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
And one of them is a guy named Mountain Patriot.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Was that his birth name?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, it's on his birth certificate.
jordan holmes
Well, that's cool.
dan friesen
On his new birth certificate that he got when he became a sovereign.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
Well, that's fair.
dan friesen
So here's where I want to make a request of you taking notes.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
A large portion of this turns into Alex complaining about David Knight.
There is a large part of this episode is like of Alex being kind of too aware that people are going to tune in thinking it's David Knight's show.
jordan holmes
What happened?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he has to kind of address the issue.
Now, on the 17th, the episode that we listened to on our last episode, we heard him give the explanation that it's money.
It's money.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
We got financial troubles around here.
We have to scale back and get leaner.
So write that down at the top of your notes.
jordan holmes
So we're about to find out that it's actually about the number of emails David Knight sent.
dan friesen
No, that doesn't come into it.
We had our thought that it was maybe Steve Pieczenik related.
Sure.
Because the two of them got into a bit of a beef.
jordan holmes
They got a tiff.
dan friesen
Although also I'm a little reticent about that, or had to been.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
I want you to keep track of how many different possible reasons there.
Okay.
I have to write down each.
dan friesen
I want you to listen carefully and see how many different stories about why David got fired you could come up with.
alex jones
He did an upper decker in the toilet.
I just can't do it anyway.
dan friesen
I wish it was that interesting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would be fun.
dan friesen
So here's the first one.
I'm going to give you this as a layoff.
Okay.
alex jones
Now, a lot of you are probably tuning in.
You're saying, where's David Knight?
I love David Knight.
I really care about him.
He's a talented, smart guy.
He's been with us nine years.
And I personally am exhausted doing my own show every day.
And David, of course, took off quite a bit over a year ago with some medical issues and came back.
And I just made the decision that David was not happy here.
jordan holmes
I made the decision.
alex jones
It was not good for him to still be on air.
That's my own personal decision.
I was kind of watching him twist in the wind, very depressed with everything that's going on, very, very upset.
And I agree with about 95% of what David has to say and what he does.
I did not let David go because I disagreed with what he was doing or because he didn't agree with me on some things.
That had nothing to do with it.
dan friesen
So that had nothing to do with it.
It had everything to do with the fact that David Knight was unhappy by Alex's metric.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Alex determined that David was unhappy, but he couldn't save himself.
David was too stubborn.
jordan holmes
No, it's not possible.
dan friesen
To leave the job, but he was miserable.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And so Alex did it for him, gave him the axe.
Really, Alex is the good guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that doesn't sound right, but okay.
dan friesen
Alex is your best friend that you think you don't need.
jordan holmes
I just don't think we're going to find out that this is a consistent storyline.
dan friesen
I think I might have ruined that by setting up your note.
jordan holmes
Could be, could be.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So one other possibility for why he might have gotten the ax is that Alex wanted to do this call-in show and David did not.
alex jones
I have wanted to launch, again, a program like Washington Journal, but National Journal.
David was not interested in a program like that.
We had first wanted to have a show that he would host that was Was Calls and guests and things, but he had total control over a show and it went another direction.
So here we are.
And when I host the show or when Owen hosts it or when Harrison hosts it or when other people were looking at bringing in to host it, if it's not a call-in show, then that person won't be hosting it anymore.
So I've kind of gotten in a rut, not in a bad way, but it's a rut, that I don't take enough calls.
And I've gotten in a rut that I don't play enough clips.
And I've gotten in a rut that I tend to get on one story and pontificate on it for an hour.
And that's somewhat informative for die-hard listeners.
But it's not for radio and TV stations to really cover some quick news, get into it, take calls, have a quick guest, and really cycle through a lot of information.
And so that's what this show is going to be.
It's going to be your phone calls.
dan friesen
I agree with Alex on some level that his show is inaccessible to people who aren't already indoctrinated.
jordan holmes
I do agree with that.
Yes.
dan friesen
The format that he has is not good for someone like clicking around on the radio.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
It might be able to grab your attention with a guy yelling, but he doesn't yell all the time.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a lot of stretches of time that are completely boring, stupid shit.
Sure.
And, you know, if you aren't already on the team, you're not going to give a shit about that.
jordan holmes
I mean, there's that.
And also, the mythology has just moved on so much from reality.
You know, like, what are you like?
You're coming in on like episode 40 of the 38th season.
You're not going to catch up with all that's happened before.
dan friesen
I listen to this all the time, and sometimes I lose track of the law.
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
It would be something that would be very, very difficult for you to get people in the door.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And I understand that.
And I think our show probably is the same.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I kind of empathize with Alex.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, totally.
I get it.
dan friesen
You know, if he needs to switch up his format in order to maybe cater to an audience that he can trick into buying pills, great.
Good for him.
I'm going to stick with what we got.
jordan holmes
I would also say that David is smart for not wanting to do a call-in show just simply because you've also cultivated an audience that you don't want to hear what they have to say.
dan friesen
It's true.
It's true.
Like if you're David Knight and you try and pretend like you take this all very seriously and you're a thinker, you think Steve Pieczenik's full of shit.
So you clearly have some standards you're trying to enforce.
jordan holmes
Something.
dan friesen
You lose credibility by having to humor idiots.
And David Knight's probably too polite to tell people to shut up.
jordan holmes
People who think they're going to be cyborgs are stupid.
They're going to die.
dan friesen
Great point.
jordan holmes
I'm a cyborg.
What?
dan friesen
So you got a lot of calls coming up.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
And we're going to be taking a lot of your phone calls.
So I'll give you the number when we come back.
And part of taking phone calls is going to be: we are going to get to your call and move the next person.
So I'm not going to do thank you for calling.
Oh, thank you so much, Alex.
Oh, and then get into what you have to say.
We're just going to, hey, you're calling in.
Here's the topic.
We'll talk about a topic an hour, another topic the next hour.
And that's how this is going to be something that I haven't really done personally in this style in over 20 years.
And so thank you for joining us for American Journal.
We'll be right back.
dan friesen
Listen to this mellow-ass music.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, this is very strange.
dan friesen
This is real 8 in the morning.
Got to have some coffee and listen to this.
jordan holmes
This is dissonant to hear Alex like, oh, I haven't been awake before 9 and 20 years.
dan friesen
It's surreal on a lot of levels.
Just sitting there with like a calm show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's very funny.
dan friesen
Or an attempt at a calm show.
jordan holmes
That's very funny.
dan friesen
So Alex starts off after he gets back from the commercial with introducing the first topic.
And the way he wants to do this is he wants to have an hour block.
And then it's so he has like, all right, we have our first topic.
We're taking calls on that topic.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Next hour, I'll introduce another topic.
We'll take calls on that topic.
Sure.
jordan holmes
And we got a framework.
dan friesen
I'm not sure if it works out the way he wants it to, but here is the first topic.
alex jones
And she passes out and falls the ground, had to be taken out later on a stretcher.
dan friesen
So he just, I forgot.
He had played a clip from Tennessee of a nurse who was giving a little bit of a talk to reporters after getting the vaccine for COVID-19.
Coronavirus vaccine.
And she fainted while she was talking to reporters.
And so Alex played the audio of that, but it was really bad.
So I had to start this after the audio.
It was just unlistenable.
alex jones
Just garbage.
And she passes out and falls the ground, had to be taken out later on a stretcher.
And they put out a press release on local ABC News saying, oh, it's quite normal to collapse like this when you take any vaccine.
dan friesen
So this video of the nurse in Tennessee was circulating on social media.
And man, it has all of the optics you wouldn't want if you're trying to reassure people about the safety of a COVID vaccine.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
But it's still something that's being used dishonestly.
Nurse Tiffany Dover was answering questions from reporters about getting the vaccine, at which point she said she was feeling dizzy and momentarily fainted.
She later explained that she has a condition where she faints when she feels pain, and it was unlikely something caused by the vaccine.
Alex is also just lying about the video and making up details about it, most glaringly that she had to be carried out on a stretcher.
According to the Associated Press, quote, Dover was back on her feet shortly after passing out.
As it turns out, this is just a reaction that some people have to any kind of shot, and most doctors believe that it's related to pain or anxiety.
You could easily see someone with a history of fainting when experiencing pain, having that amplified by the anxiety of being on news, getting one of the first vaccines for a pandemic that should be fucking up everyone's life for about a year.
But I do grant that the optics are not what you'd want here at all.
If you're just someone who doesn't care about details and go off emotional reactions to surface-level appearances, then this would be very powerful in terms of painting the vaccine as dangerous, which I guess is the first topic for the American Journal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm not going to say that it wouldn't be a smarter idea not to have like a southern bell from the 1870s take the first vaccine.
Oh my God!
This vaccine.
But I will say that when I got the hepatitis vaccine before I went to South Africa with my partner, I passed out.
Like I was sitting on the chair and I had to go down on the ground and lay on the floor because it was such a huge vaccine too.
dan friesen
So it was, yeah, I've not had that experience, but I've definitely seen it.
And I know that some people, like when they give blood, they can have a chance of passing out.
Or even like when you see people giving blood, whatever, the shock of that, some people get a lot of response to it.
It has nothing to do with what's in the syringe, usually.
No.
So anyway, but there's more to be worried about with this vaccine.
I guess this is also what Alex wants to talk about.
alex jones
You know, it says on the inserts that it can kill you.
This is not a normal vaccine.
It's even worse.
It's an mRNA vaccine that actually goes in and reprograms every major cell group in your body to produce, quote, proteins that block the virus.
Those same proteins happen to be in the placenta, and so it also blocks having a baby.
And they had many children for a couple years when you take some of the mRNA vaccines.
I actually have the medical reports from Big Pharma and the trials here in my stack today.
Yes, this isn't a conspiracy theory.
This is a fact.
dan friesen
So what Alex is talking about there is complete nonsense.
He was recently yelling about the six deaths in the Pfizer trials, which we discussed on a recent episode, and four were in the placebo group and two were most likely not caused by the vaccine.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
That breakdown that they released, which included that information, is probably one of the best resources for information about the effects that have been documented in persons who have been given the vaccine.
And Alex says that he has this in his stack.
He references this material.
In that very document, they say that, quote, at the time of the data cutoff, which was November 14th, 2020, I'm damn this is 2020.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
A total of 23 participants had reported pregnancies in the safety database, including nine participants who withdrew from the study due to pregnancies.
There's demographic information about the 43,000 people who were enrolled in the study, and I considered trying to whittle it down to see if 23 was a notably high or low number of pregnancies to see in that size group.
But honestly, it would have been impossible to tell from the given information.
You can make some general assumptions, but even if you're able to get a vague number of the population in the study who are able to get pregnant and of a likely age where they might, that still doesn't really help.
You still have no idea how many of these people are sexually active, how many were using birth control, etc.
Without access to any of that data, it seems to me that 23 pregnancies is a fairly normal number, and it also contradicts all of Alex's bullshit.
jordan holmes
Aren't you sick of all these fact checkers, Dan?
dan friesen
I hate them.
A more important piece of info we can take from that Pfizer report is from table 23 towards the end of the report, which details serious adverse events experienced in the study.
There was one spontaneous abortion that occurred in that group of 43,000 participants, which was the only pregnancy or perinatal complication or condition that was reported.
This was someone in the placebo group, so it was not caused by the vaccine.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
All right.
There is a viral meme that Alex has seen that suggests that the vaccine will cause infertility, but it's a load of shit.
The basic idea is that the spike protein used in the vaccine is the same as the protein that's used by the body to create a placenta.
So the vaccine would train your body to attack the very thing you'd need to develop in order to become pregnant.
The protein is called Sincitin 1.
But the problem boils down to an elementary misunderstanding on the part of these viral meme makers.
The vaccine uses a spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which does share a small sequence of amino acid with syncitin-1, but it's not close enough at all in similarity to cause the kind of reaction that Alex is suggesting.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
This is just flimsy meme-based nonsense that Alex is passing off his research, and it means nothing.
Also, we have not yet to get to any calls.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's one of those, you know, it's one of those things where it's like, you guys can't know about science for now.
You're just not ready to know a little bit about science.
You're going to hurt yourself.
dan friesen
Yeah, a little bit is worse than none.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You guys just got to hold off on science.
We'll get to you.
You're going to learn it someday, I promise.
dan friesen
Just say it's like devil magic in the syringe.
jordan holmes
Please, this is the significance.
dan friesen
Please, just this is this is no good.
Yeah.
So he's going to open the phones next segment, but he has some questions.
These are leading questions.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Well, I want to open the phones up next segment, and I want to ask all the listeners and all of the viewers at 8777-892539 and all the radio listeners at 8777892539 or 87789.
Alex, I want to ask you, are you planning to take the vaccine?
If you're not, what are you going to do when they try to pressure you and push it on you or try to say it's mandatory as we're doing in some foreign countries and now pushing here?
And then what do you make of the vaccine makers having liability protection so that when and if they hurt you, they don't get in any trouble.
dan friesen
Like, I love the idea that his first question is, are you going to take the vaccine?
Obviously, the answer from everybody is, fuck no.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Second question, what are you going to do when they force you?
It's like, oh, let's swim around in violence fantasies about justified violence.
And then the third question is something that none of them are equipped to have.
A conversation about why companies have liability protection and what it means.
Like, that's something that no one who's calling into his show or Alex himself is prepared to have.
jordan holmes
I mean, I suppose one more question would be like, how would it feel to be immune to a disease?
Does that sound exciting?
Does anybody feel excited about that?
dan friesen
Is that a Stan Lee superpower?
jordan holmes
Watch this.
You can't be hurt by this disease.
And it's because real stuff, not because you're mind palace or whatever.
dan friesen
It's because of magic.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex does not go to calls.
Yeah.
Because he realizes that, like, David Knight's not here.
unidentified
Right.
Right.
dan friesen
Doing his job.
jordan holmes
He's still got more shit talk to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
You tuned in.
You're wondering where the David Knight show is.
David's done a great job for nine years here.
And David deserves a break.
We really appreciate David Knight.
And so I made the decision to go ahead and, for now, cancel that show.
He wants to do it on his own.
That's wonderful.
Maybe someday he'll do something here where it's once a week or something.
I just think that I'm burnt out and don't want this job.
It's very exhausting, but I have a mission.
And David does not.
David doesn't give a fuck.
I think that it's a bad thing.
I'm going to leave it at that.
But David is a trooper.
He should take care of himself.
dan friesen
Yeah, so David Knight's not committed, apparently.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what?
dan friesen
He doesn't have a mission like Alex does.
I'm not going to keep a guy on the front lines if he's not.
Let's leave it at that.
Okay, wait.
jordan holmes
So now it's because he's performance related.
To the cause?
dan friesen
I mean, it must be.
Yeah.
Whether it's like will or ability, he's not somebody you have on the front line.
jordan holmes
He's not on the team.
dan friesen
That's not just you being a nice guy.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He's not happy here.
No.
That's a whole nother explanation.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it turns out Alex, there might have been other influences.
alex jones
Sure.
And that's it.
There's no controversy.
There's no secret reason.
It's not because he was bashing Trump every day.
I'm very frustrated with Trump.
That has nothing to do with it.
It has to do with I just been thinking about it, praying about it, having dreams about David.
Really been worried about him.
And I was worried about him last time he had that big heart attack and almost died.
So I just, it's just, I just, I just said, hey, that's that.
So we pray for David.
He's a great guy.
He's doing great.
But that's it.
All right, we'll be right back.
dan friesen
So he had a dream.
He had dreams about this.
unidentified
I had a fuck dream about David Knight, so he's gone.
dan friesen
I thought the last straw was Alex learning that Black Lives Matter made $10 billion.
jordan holmes
No, it turns out this time it is because if you bash Trump every day.
No, it's not about that.
I'm mad at Trump, too.
But if you bash Trump every day, you're not committed to the cause and you're fired.
dan friesen
That's an explanation that he didn't give.
That's an explanation you put onto the Pachenic section because it's like what you would think based on what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But there's another explanation buried in there.
I'm trying to save his life.
He's going to die if he keeps this up.
jordan holmes
All right, guys.
dan friesen
But I thought he wasn't committed.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I hope he does his show by himself.
You would sue him.
You know you would sue him.
dan friesen
There's a decent chance.
Yeah.
So Alex has something he's got to deal with before he gets to calls, and that is that Mike Pence got a shot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex shouldn't.
jordan holmes
Is he a cyborg or is he dead?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, he's an enemy, according to, you know, recent InfoWars war.
unidentified
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But still, still would be troubling if Mike Pence got this shot that Alex is saying is going to kill everyone.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
This is footage of the vice president just 30 minutes ago or so.
I probably went live on air taking the supposed vaccine.
And I got to tell you, they've caught world leaders in Germany, Japan, other areas, claiming they're taking the shot and then not taking it.
dan friesen
So he's just going to imply that it's a fake show.
That works.
jordan holmes
I mean, I honestly, I think it's reasonable to just go with they get the rich guy shot, right?
It's more reasonable.
dan friesen
If you're looking for a theory that you could just make anything up, then why not do that?
jordan holmes
It's more reasonable to think that the wealthy are getting better and different care now than it is to think they are taking the same shot.
I don't think that I think they're taking the same shot.
dan friesen
I understand what you're coming for.
jordan holmes
No, but it's fucking reasonable to be like, oh, they're getting rich guy medicine while we get the medium kind.
dan friesen
And Alex has a tradition of talking about clean vaccines.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So why not?
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
And he's already said that the mRNA vaccine is better than the older type of vaccine.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Or is it the inverse?
dan friesen
Alex has said, although he dropped this narrative really quick when he realized he didn't know what he was talking about.
He said that Trump was putting out the Pfizer vaccine in order to cut Gates off at the pass.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Because he just didn't realize that the Pfizer vaccine was an mRNA vaccine.
unidentified
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
So he was saying that Gates wanted to do this evil one, so Trump was putting this out in order to put him in checkmate.
jordan holmes
That's why I got it mixed up because they're both mRNA.
Yeah, now I got it.
He's just dumb.
dan friesen
And that's why that narrative is no longer in play.
Alex realized, oh, I should probably pretend I didn't say that.
jordan holmes
Yes, it would be smarter.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex finally gets to calls.
It's probably about, I would say, 20 minutes in, given like commercial breaks, maybe even a little longer.
And man, doesn't start great.
alex jones
American Journal, like Washington Journal, but American Journal.
A lot of calls.
Lily in California, you're on the air on the COVID vaccine.
Where do you stand on this?
unidentified
Oh, absolutely not.
It's the mark of the beast.
No way.
dan friesen
What a shock.
What a shock.
Taking America's temperature.
jordan holmes
Just all I, all these calls are just going to sound like screech to me.
That's it.
alex jones
A lot of them, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's nothing that there's going to be, well, I don't know about that.
There's also going to be a break in that screeching, though, for plugs.
jordan holmes
Of course.
unidentified
But there's a second thing I wanted to mention very quickly.
It's like, I want fellow listeners to know about the opportunity to support the Infowars, not only with products, but that there's a support us on tab.
It's hard to find.
It's that you make it very hard to do it.
But like two weeks ago, I just sent $50.
I've purchased lots of your products, the water filter and the various supplements.
But right now, especially given everything that you're doing, I just want to put the money in your hands.
I don't know how much I would have to spend to get for you to have $50 of profit.
dan friesen
I'm blown away.
The first caller on his show is just plugging, giving him money.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Not screening calls, of course.
It's amazing.
dan friesen
Hey, Alex, I want to take a little bit of time out on your show and plug that people could just give you money without pills.
jordan holmes
Can't believe that very shortly after announcing that you have to fire David Knight because of money reasons, people are calling in saying, you know, and they're definitely not planted at all.
That would be crazy.
dan friesen
So she goes, Lily, Lily leaves, and then we get the second caller.
This is Mountain Patriot.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Let's go ahead and talk to Mountain Patriot in Colorado.
Thank you for holding.
jordan holmes
Screech.
unidentified
How are you doing, Alex?
alex jones
Man, I'm just working as hard as I can.
We're in such a critical time.
Brother, how are you?
unidentified
I love you, man.
I'm going to miss David Knight, but totally understood.
We are at war.
I want to make a quick plug that DNA force.
jordan holmes
He's throwing the fuck out of here.
What are we doing?
dan friesen
It gets really annoying, really hard.
jordan holmes
How is that possible?
dan friesen
It almost feels like it can't be.
It is not necessarily planted calls.
It's not.
I do believe that there is a possibility of just people hearing this happen over and over again.
You get trained that, like, oh, the way a call goes with Alex is you plug a product and then you talk.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Okay.
This feels a little bit like, I'm sure you haven't seen it, but there's a movie called Phantom Thread starring, what's his name, who's really good at acting.
dan friesen
I've heard the name of that movie before.
jordan holmes
And spoilers, essentially, he's like part of their sex life is she regularly poisons him and takes care of him.
That's kind of a weird thing that they do.
So he just likes getting poisoned?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So I feel like what I'm hearing from all these people is like, I love getting poisoned by your products.
That's just what I do.
I want to send you $50.
dan friesen
I like to trick myself into thinking that your pills do something for you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
You're taking care of me.
But because of munch houses, I guess, I'm forcing myself to get sick.
dan friesen
And this conversation that we're having is actually really interesting because it actually kind of touches on something that really scared me about Mountain Patriot.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
I want to talk about something called the placebo effect that I haven't heard anyone mention in nine months since this all broke out.
jordan holmes
We've been inside.
unidentified
For these medicines, they have to do a double-blind study.
That is, they have to do a double-blind study in order to eliminate the placebo effect, which is your own natural innate ability to heal.
jordan holmes
Let's calm it.
unidentified
That's a perfect metaphor.
jordan holmes
Calm it.
unidentified
How they want to take our power away.
jordan holmes
Don't do that.
dan friesen
Terrifying.
jordan holmes
The placebo effect is how we're magic.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This caller legitimately thinks the placebo effect is a term that's used to describe your body's natural ability to heal itself.
Doctors only use double-blind studies because they have to get rid of the possibility that you're just going to psychically heal yourself when you think you're getting medicine.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
First of all, the caller is talking about a single-blind study.
That's when a participant doesn't know whether they're getting a medicine or the placebo.
A double-blind study is when the people administering the trial also don't know which participants are getting the real thing or the placebo.
This is to remove any possible bias that could come from the researchers expecting certain outcomes and treating participants differently depending on which group they're in.
Double-blind studies are more relevant for eliminating what's known as observer bias.
Placebo effect generally both help with it.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Secondly, the placebo effect does not describe actual healing.
It's a phenomenon in the brain.
For instance, if you're told that you're being given a pill to treat anxiety, but it's actually a placebo, the fact that you think that you're being given a pill that treats anxiety can have the effect of decreasing your anxiety.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
This is a very interesting and complicated thing, but it doesn't work like magic.
If you have an infection and you're given a placebo, it will not treat that infection.
jordan holmes
No, I'm pretty sure it will.
dan friesen
You may experience some pain relief or something like that, but you will still have that infection because the placebo is not treating the condition at all.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
If you break your leg and they give you a fake pill that heals legs, your leg will heal naturally if you believe in it.
Sure.
dan friesen
A good way to understand this difference is by looking at a 2011 study from Harvard Medical School, Endicott College, and the University of Hull.
Researchers there were looking to better understand the dynamics of placebo effect and symptom relief, so they designed a study where persons with asthma were given real and placebo inhalers, as well as no treatment and also sham acupuncture.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
The study found that patients with placebo inhalers and even the fake acupuncture.
jordan holmes
Was it specifically sham acupuncture?
They didn't give real acupuncture might work?
dan friesen
It's just to eliminate another.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
No, no, no, I gotcha.
I gotcha.
I'm sorry for interrupting it.
It seemed really, it is weird.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But so the people with the placebo inhalers and even the fake acupuncture groups subjectively reported feeling better, and they felt like their symptoms were improving.
However, both of these groups that got the false treatments showed no improvement in terms of actual lung function.
The actual asthma was not affected at all by the fake treatments, but some of the symptoms of asthma could be alleviated.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This was not true of the group that got the medicine, in this case, albuterol.
Those people actually did have greater lung function.
It's great that through the experience of getting treatment, people can experience a beneficial result, but it should not be mistaken for actual treatment.
If the people who got fake inhalers were then forced to perform a task that required lung exertion, they would be at a higher risk than the people who got the albuterol.
This is the placebo effect that blind studies hope to minimize so they can test how effective an actual medication is and what kind of side effects it could have independent of a person's expectations.
There's another kind of placebo effect, which is basically Alex's business model.
This is where you convince people they have a fake ailment, then you give them a placebo to cure it.
His pills won't really do anything, but if he convinces you that your brain just won't work without his iodine, then you take his iodine and your brain works fine.
You'll attribute that to his iodine.
Iodine efficiency is a real condition, but pretty much everyone listening to Alex's show doesn't have it.
But making you think that you might, it's a super profitable thing.
When you sell iodine, you can manipulate that placebo effect.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think the only thing that we can confirm his products do, or at least points heavily to his products to boners.
dan friesen
And that might even be psychosomatic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
But every time somebody talks about it, there's never like, I have more energy or like, I feel more assertive.
It's always like, my wife hates me now.
You know, like, it's never.
dan friesen
But if, you know, if you're taking that, maybe you have some kind of a mental block inhibiting your ability to bull testosterone that you shove in your face.
It's possible, too.
I don't know.
But anyway, the fact that this caller who's plugging Alex's product doesn't understand the placebo effect, that is like art.
jordan holmes
You can't have science.
You don't have to do it.
dan friesen
It's perfect, though.
It's so tracks.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's just, they're just not ready for it.
They're just not, just like how Galileo, admittedly, he was a dick, but the people around him just weren't ready for science yet.
And he kept trying to give it to him.
And then he got trapped.
I mean, again, that was mainly because he was a dick, but it happens.
dan friesen
But those people weren't ready for science.
jordan holmes
They were ready for science.
These people aren't ready for science.
dan friesen
You know what Alex isn't ready to do?
Stop talking about David Knight.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I've had the idea for this show for many, many years, never done it.
I decided to do this at about two o'clock yesterday.
I made the decision to go ahead and just launch this show immediately.
jordan holmes
Bad idea.
Really regretting that.
alex jones
We're all stressed out.
There's so much going on.
There's so much happening.
jordan holmes
We could have just taken the day off.
alex jones
I would watch David Knight, who's just a great guy, get ready for four hours in the morning before he went on at 8 a.m.
And then I would sometimes get off my show at like 2 o'clock, and he would be in the studio researching, looking like he was in living hell.
And I was like, dude, you've got to not work 16 hours a day.
I mean, stacks of notes, computers out, just insane.
dan friesen
Isn't that what you say you do, Alex?
jordan holmes
Unreal.
So now he said he's firing David because he works too hard.
He works too hard.
He works too hard.
The man is too committed to the InfoWar.
That's why I had to fire him.
dan friesen
I've never seen him in flip-flops.
jordan holmes
He's too serious.
So we have both.
He's not committed and he doesn't care enough.
And that's why he can't be on the front lines.
And also, he works too hard.
He researches all the time.
He's just too committed.
unidentified
He's here at four in the morning grinding.
jordan holmes
Because he's not committed to the InfoWar, Dan.
He's treating this as if it's some kind of job.
dan friesen
None of this makes sense.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's a little bit internally inconsistent, but it is fun to just hear him go all over the place.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Whatever the actual reason behind it, David needed a break.
And Alex knows that because he needs a break.
Alex needs a break.
Right.
alex jones
But I just wanted to have a clean, clean break.
It hit me yesterday morning.
Watched him on the show and worried about him.
And so that's what this is.
And it's also a financial issue.
David doesn't get that much.
Whatever does a great job.
It's just that we don't have enough crew to run all these shows and they're burnt out.
And COVID, a few people's wives or whatever were in a place that had it, so they had to leave and take care of them.
And it's just been, well, it's been like we're a NASCAR that has been in two or three races, but hasn't even had the engine looked at.
And now there's fire coming out of the engine.
So I'm taking off all next week.
And I never take off a full week.
I always work wherever I'm at.
I'm going to literally hide my phone and turn the computers off.
And I told my wife last night, I said, we're going to put your phone up and we're going to spend time with the family.
And I'm going to disconnect and come back five years younger.
dan friesen
I believe he probably is going to take the week off, but it's also Christmas.
jordan holmes
Wow.
I mean, he deserves a break.
So he's going to do something out of this world and take the week of Christmas off.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, some people would never dream of doing that.
dan friesen
I'm going to take him at his word.
jordan holmes
They're called everybody who's not in it.
dan friesen
I'm going to take him at his word and believe that he is actually going to take the week off.
And we'll see if he does or not.
jordan holmes
That'd be nice.
dan friesen
He's talking about what's going to happen on the shows.
And he's like, Owen Schroer is going to host this morning's show and my show.
I'm like, wait, his show's on right after your show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Put Owen Schroyer to it.
Put him through the gauntlet.
dan friesen
No, Harrison Smith's going to host the war room.
jordan holmes
No, I want Owen to go through the crucible.
dan friesen
We have to be on there from 8 to 4, 8 to 5 every day.
jordan holmes
How else are you going to get your chops, man?
I used to go out and do four or five sets in a night.
You got to get your chops going, so you might as well work in 12-hour days.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anchoring a absurd call-in show, then sensational things.
jordan holmes
Nonsense screaming.
dan friesen
Then conspiracy brodown.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Three different vibes.
Yeah, it's not going to work.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, it's not going to work.
dan friesen
So Alex gets to another caller who has an interesting question.
unidentified
Everything that you said about needing your essential vitamins and minerals, that should be enough.
Nobody needs these vaccines on top of everything else that's wrong with them.
But my daughter is a mortician in Arizona, and she won't listen.
She used to be open-minded, and I don't know how to get through to her.
And I just want to know if you have any suggestions.
alex jones
Well, I mean, I'm sure you've seen the banned segment of banned out video with all the nurses and doctors, hundreds of videos saying it's an overblown fraud.
We've got all these top scientists saying the Johns Hopkins report that came out said there's been as many deaths this year as there was this time last year of other things.
So if the overall death rate's not up, that means they're moving other deaths of flu and pneumonia and other things into the COVID column, which we know they're doing.
dan friesen
Can't imagine why this lady's mortician daughter isn't listening to her with the virus being overblown.
jordan holmes
Why my daughter is working also 12-hour days, and she just doesn't believe me.
dan friesen
Well, she looks sadder than David Knight.
jordan holmes
She looks real sad.
Something's really weighing on her, you know.
dan friesen
Alex's narrative here is a load of shit.
And if he did one-tenth of the research he pretends to, he would know that.
So here's what happened with that Johns Hopkins thing that he's talking about.
On November 13th, an economics lecturer at Johns Hopkins used faulty data to assert that there was no evidence of excess deaths in the United States this year.
The numbers and analysis this lecturer were using were elementary and didn't take into account a bunch of relevant variables, whereas peer-reviewed studies that follow higher standards have regularly shown an approximately 20% increase in mortality this year over long-term averages.
This wasn't a study or a report.
It was a misrepresentation of data that was delivered in a lecture.
This claim was then covered in the Johns Hopkins student newspaper, the Johns Hopkins newsletter.
Naturally, as soon as people noticed, the paper retracted the story and issued a correction.
In the meantime, however, the Gateway pundit had found the article and began reporting on the erroneous claim made by the econ lecturer.
The right-wing conspiracy narrative is that the lecturer is correct and that the retraction is a cover-up of this obviously accurate information, but that's a bunch of nonsense.
Even the Gateway pundits' framing of the story is intentionally misleading.
Their headline was, quote, Johns Hopkins study mysteriously disappears after it revealed, in spite of COVID, no more deaths in 2020 than in prior years.
There was no study to disappear.
It was just a fabricated and sensationalized headline.
You can follow the thread from right-wing bullshit website reporting on blog posts from another right-wing bullshit website, all the way back to the student newspaper article that has been retracted.
Even in that article, they say that the lecturer, quote, also mentioned that more research and data are needed to truly decipher the effect of COVID-19 on deaths in the United States.
So basically, you have an economics lecturer who gave a talk where she inaccurately interpreted some data, which was then covered by a student newspaper, which was then inaccurately reported on by dumb right-wing blogs.
Student article was retracted, which the right-wing blogs then made part of the conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
This is then reported on by Alex as Johns Hopkins proving in a study that there's no excess deaths in 2020 and that COVID deaths are all a hoax or just other deaths shuffled over, which is what this caller should then tell her mortician daughter to help open her mind about vaccine denialism.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
American Journal.
I do not want to denigrate student newspapers at all.
During the protests in Chicago, student newspapers did a million times better job than any other local media and especially better than the national media in Chicago.
dan friesen
There's a double-edged sword to say.
jordan holmes
But at the same time, it's still a student newspaper.
We can't be the right wing can't be like, ah, student newspaper did something.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's sort of a full statement on because it's like, okay, yeah, some student journalists are amazingly capable and can do good work.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
But also some mistakes that wouldn't happen in professional newsrooms can happen at student newspapers because they're student newspapers.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
It's, you know, the knife cuts both ways.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
It's tough.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
So we got another caller.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Let's take a few calls here before we go to break.
And I'll come back and take nothing but calls, but I don't want to hit those stories.
Holding the longest would be Kurt in Oklahoma.
Kurt, welcome.
unidentified
There is nothing better, nothing more comfy than waking up, saying a prayer, brewing a cup of Wake Up America Patriot Blend, and calling in to the American Journal.
alex jones
That's right, sir.
Well, we're honored to be here, and we're glad to be taking your calls.
What is your view on this situation with the vaccines?
dan friesen
So this guy's plugging Alex's coffee.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's getting annoying.
jordan holmes
It's very frustrating.
dan friesen
Oh, there's nothing more relaxing than drinking your coffee and calling into the first episode of your show.
jordan holmes
Is that some sort of, like, among Infowars, like, die-hard listeners, is that some sort of meme, like a way they communicate with each other?
Like, that's interesting.
Okay, if you plug, you know, like, we're also used to Alex plugging.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, is that part of like a memetic language that they have?
It's possible.
dan friesen
It's possible.
And I also think that a lot of times Alex's ads end up using callers in them.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Because there is that like, Frank, I need your help, Frank.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That you would play.
And so maybe they're hoping.
jordan holmes
Maybe there's a part of, yeah, that could be.
dan friesen
They're hoping that they'll become a commercial that Alex uses.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I don't know.
That's possible.
I mean, I know that when I was like 13, 14, I would call and request a song on the radio, like call the DJs.
I was hoping that they would record it and use it to introduce your song.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And maybe that's the same thing, but they're adults.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're trying to help Alex sell pills.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a little bit less, it's lower on the totem pole than Rick asking for a song.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So anyway, that caller, just in case you were worried about this, not into the vaccine, in case you're curious.
Something that Alex isn't into is stop talking about David Knight.
alex jones
And I intend to host this sum.
I intend to get other hosts that are going to rotate through.
Maybe David Knight if you want sometimes.
I'll come in and do it.
I'm going to show TV Viewer something that was just regularly a David Knight slot for the last four years.
And I just abruptly decided yesterday to end that show because it was just my gut level thing to do, the right thing to do for David, for InfoWars, for the country, for the world, because that he's been worn out and exhausted by this, just like I am.
And my gut, my spirit told me to do it.
Here's an example.
Here's a promo he started putting out last week, sent out to all these TV stations around the country saying, if you haven't picked up the David Knight show, top thing here, please pick up the David Knight Show, then Alex Jones, then The War Room.
This has been sent out starting last week to everyone, explaining that we're on Galaxy 16 video satellite, AMC 18 radio satellite.
I love David.
He's been here nine years.
Really smart guy.
But the election and some of our political disagreements were making him super upset, not me.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Okay, so now he's pissed off.
Okay, first.
dan friesen
So now David is uncomfortable about political disagreements with Alex.
But Alex, totally cool.
jordan holmes
Above it.
Totally cool.
He's chill.
dan friesen
He's chill as hell.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
He's above it.
dan friesen
Also, the whole thing about the promotional materials being sent out last week.
jordan holmes
It sounds like nobody picked up David Knight's show, so they canned him.
dan friesen
That's possible, but Alex is trying to use that as evidence that, like, I don't know.
jordan holmes
We've got more support behind David Knight's show.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Support him.
All that proves is like maybe it was a snap decision.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's all.
jordan holmes
Yeah, nobody picked up his show.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you've been racking your brain and so worried about how much work he puts in, the fact that you had promotional materials that came out last week doesn't help your case.
jordan holmes
I feel like everybody's so attuned to the vagaries of the TV show business now that there's a part of the.
Why not just say that we didn't pick up his show again?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, it's not hard.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It could be so easy, and everybody be like, oh, there's a reason, but they just didn't pick up the show.
dan friesen
Alex, shut up.
jordan holmes
Heroes didn't get a third season.
Everybody's like, yeah, they didn't pick up the show.
It's or did it get a third season?
dan friesen
I know they had a comeback.
unidentified
Ooh, that was bad.
dan friesen
It wasn't bad.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
Look, dude, there are 100 ways you could do this, and none of it requires any of this shit.
jordan holmes
None of this shit.
We've got 16 reasons, some of which are I'm a hero, and the others are David Knight's disagreeing with me, and the others are insane.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
But we do have one explanation for his termination that we get crossed off the list.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
One thing that definitely had nothing to do with that.
jordan holmes
He does have both feet.
alex jones
And during the break, they're like, yeah, people think you got rid of David because of Steve Pachinik.
Steve Pachinik didn't even enter my mind and those two fighting with each other.
So it was zero.
Zero, zero, zero.
Had to do with David was very ashen, very white, looked really sick too.
jordan holmes
Wow.
alex jones
And I thought about telling him that he's quit at that point because he looked so depressed.
Okay.
And I almost did it then.
And he had a massive heart attack and almost died.
And he's been looking the same.
And that's it.
And it's not a personal issue.
It's none of that.
I care about David.
He needs a break.
dan friesen
He just needs a break.
alex jones
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
Listen, it's not Steve.
Now there's nothing that makes me know it's Steve more than him being like, I never thought about it.
Zero possibility.
Zero possibility.
dan friesen
It makes me more suspicious of that.
For sure.
And this is one of those instances where it's not just you and I have been saying that.
jordan holmes
No, no.
dan friesen
Sometimes Alex will say, like, oh, people will say, I kill dogs.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's us.
dan friesen
This is something that a lot of people on Twitter have been pointing out because David was tweeting on about how Steve sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it is a little bit more of a public thing.
But look, dude, he just worked too hard.
That's all it is.
He was ashen.
alex jones
I care about David.
He needs a break.
I mean, again, four hours before the show getting ready, three hours of a show, three, four hours after studying, looking like he's in hell.
And so I fired him.
God told me to do it.
It was like 10 a.m. over there.
jordan holmes
God told you.
Okay.
alex jones
I've got to go let David go.
It's just got to do it clean and be done.
And then later at the show, they go, what are you going to do?
And I said, I guess we'll cancel the show.
And they go, a lot of stations picked that up.
I said, I'm too exhausted.
I'm taking off next week.
I might quit.
This is a real conversation.
He said, you can't quit.
I said, I know.
I just can't focus on the evil anymore.
I know how David feels.
And then you feel like you're not doing enough.
And then your brain runs out of dopamine.
And then I'm super exhausted.
And I don't even have time with my children.
And I said, just take off next week and think about what you're going to do.
But I had to make that decision because I didn't make the decision when my gut told me to do it.
The last time he almost died.
Okay?
So I told God this.
I've told you this.
I'm going my gut now, period.
Because it's never been wrong.
And I haven't been following my whole life.
And the more I follow my gut, the more I never make mistakes.
So I'm not going to put into all the reasons of why it happened.
It has zero to do with Steve Pieczenik.
jordan holmes
Okay, so it was Steve Pacheco.
alex jones
It was a pitch off during the break when they were like, yeah, they think it's so I'm not involved in this Twitter beef.
dan friesen
Yeah, man, this playground nonsense on Twitter.
jordan holmes
So it was Steve Pachetic.
I would put that down to Alex.
dan friesen
The lady doth protest too much.
jordan holmes
No, kid.
Come on, man.
dan friesen
I'm pissed off that people.
jordan holmes
Look up his show.
That's all you have to say.
dan friesen
Or it could just be like it's personal.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know how many people have left Infowars in the past?
You know how few of them anyone care is gone now?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I couldn't, I can't imagine.
I mean, I guess there's some like old-timers who probably are like, hey, where's Jakari?
Where's Lee McAndoo?
But like, no one cares.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Joe Biggs is gone.
No one gives a shit.
jordan holmes
David and I had creative disagreements, and so I let him go.
dan friesen
I honestly think that the financial thing is probably your best play.
If you could have just stuck to that.
jordan holmes
We're broke.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because that elicits support from the audience who want to see your thing not disappear.
It doesn't require you to get into the mud with David about how he works too hard, which is confusing.
jordan holmes
Wild.
Because he's also not committed at all to the InfoWar.
dan friesen
Right.
And his workload seems to be less than you pretend you have for yourself.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
It's all just too complicated.
Just say, like, we had a really good salary for him, and we couldn't carry it into the next quarter or whatever.
That would be adult.
jordan holmes
Right.
But because it is definitely personal, he just can't stick to the story.
It almost seems to be.
It is personal, and so we can't stick to the fucking story.
dan friesen
There's a mystery here, and I think what I might need to do on Alex's week off, this is going to be painful as hell.
I might have to go through the last shows that David Knight did and see if there's some kind of a clue.
unidentified
No.
I don't know.
dan friesen
Maybe there will be.
I don't know.
That would be a terrible Christmas episode to put out.
jordan holmes
I just hope that Alex Jones fires me for the next thing I'm about to say.
dan friesen
I am working too hard.
So Alex gets off this topic for a moment.
jordan holmes
Hey.
unidentified
Anybody notice my ashen face lately?
dan friesen
So leaving aside Alex's anger and confusion about what exactly happened, he has some optimism.
alex jones
Now, I've told you, Trump has a real shot at staying in office and defeating this election fraud.
If he gets bold and globalists and points out that Biden's a communist Chinese agent, and if he puts all his people in from the Pentagon at key positions and sells the American people on a limited form of martial law that General Flynn and others have rightfully called for.
When do you call martial law?
When there is a foreign power that has occupied you.
That is what the definition says.
That's the reasons for martial law under U.S. military history.
So declared 60-something times in U.S. history.
It's usually for insurrections or things like that.
This is a Chi-Com takeover.
We are infiltrated.
Joe Biden does work for China.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
The media did lie and say he was the president.
They did steal these key areas.
We have all the evidence.
We bare minimum need a new election.
Wow.
dan friesen
So the 64 thing or 60-something odd times martial law has been declared is something Alex is just repeating from an interview he heard with Mike Flynn.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So I want to tell you a little trivia.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
How many times do you think martial law has been declared since World War II?
jordan holmes
Since World War II.
Twice.
dan friesen
Nine.
jordan holmes
Nine.
dan friesen
Nine times.
jordan holmes
Nine times.
Okay.
dan friesen
And you know what?
Five of them.
I found this in an article from 1989 in the Law and Order Journal.
jordan holmes
Oh, since World War II, so five of them I would almost guarantee are during the civil rights era.
Yes, there we go.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Quote, in five instances, it was designed to counter resistance to federal desegregation decrees in the South.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
Half the time of martial law has been used.
It's good because Alex think that desegregation is a communist plot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yes.
It's you.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I was, you know what?
I was thinking this.
If Trump overthrows the government, does he still get to keep the POTUS Twitter account?
Because they're going to transfer it over to Biden when Biden becomes president.
Do we have DOTUS dictator in the United States?
Somebody grab up all the dictators.
Get all the dictator-related Twitter accounts.
dan friesen
Kim Jong-Trump.
jordan holmes
That would be a good one.
At Kim Jong-un.
dan friesen
I don't know, man.
I think that Jack would have a really tough decision to make at that point.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Whether he wants to die or give Trump the Twitter handle.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
We'll see.
Billionaires generally are willing to die for causes.
dan friesen
Alex is at bare minimum new election.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Bare minimum.
Yeah.
Which everybody in the United States will accept.
Yeah, that'll be something that we are all like, you know what?
We got to get to the bottom of it this time.
dan friesen
Bare minimum new election.
Now back to calls.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex takes a call from a guy named Baldy.
alex jones
Let's talk to Baldy in Florida.
Baldy, you were down there at the bottom and I missed you.
Sorry, go ahead.
unidentified
Sure.
Just as a reminder, I'm the one that all through March was calling, begging, and pleading with everyone to realize that this was the April Fool's virus.
dan friesen
Real quick, I do not remember Baldy from that.
jordan holmes
I'm not worried about it.
unidentified
Now, before I give my Baldy briefing on the pending inoculations, is that a regular segment?
For generations to come, I wanted to spread that it's President Trump won the election.
alex jones
Hey, brother, do me a favor.
You're yelling on speakerphone or editing.
unidentified
Speakerphone.
Is this better?
alex jones
Say it again.
unidentified
Is this better?
jordan holmes
Just hang up.
alex jones
Just talk quietly, Andy.
I got to put it in my hand.
I can't handle it.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Don't do a college show, man.
You knew this was going to happen.
jordan holmes
God, everyone knew this was going to happen.
dan friesen
I'm shocked it doesn't happen more frequently during this episode.
Oh, man.
There are some tech issues, but this is the worst of it, probably.
But Alex gets pretty pissed off.
jordan holmes
I do not appreciate it.
If he does not have some sort of performative show or something, if he's just saying this is a baldy briefing to people in regular life, I love it.
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
No, no, I love it.
jordan holmes
No friends.
Zero friends.
dan friesen
I want to hang out with Baldy.
jordan holmes
No, no, thank you.
dan friesen
I want to be brief.
jordan holmes
Here's a baldy briefing for you.
Goodbye, sir.
Thank you.
dan friesen
I got a baldy briefing for you.
It's your turn to buy around.
jordan holmes
If that's what he calls sex, I'm out.
dan friesen
So we get another caller, and this was interesting.
He wants to know about Steve's election sting stuff.
Because there is an interesting thing that, like, now, Alex, you need to make a statement on this because it's obviously not true.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So you need to put a flag down somewhere of, is Steve lying to you or is he wrong?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That kind of thing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And, of course, this leads into more shitting on David.
jordan holmes
Yes, of course.
unidentified
Steve Pieczenik, he did say with certainty that he had that whole sting operation with the blockchain and all that.
None of that's been verified.
I mean, what's your comment on that?
From everyone's point of view, it kind of looks like he was a BSer.
alex jones
Well, we're sure going to find out.
I mean, I'm not wedded to Steve Pieczenik.
He's been a guest on the show probably 56, 70 times over the years, maybe more, maybe 100 times.
He went on Owen Show.
I had no idea that was going to happen.
I had him on about some other issues.
And that's one of the things that pushed David over the edge.
I mean, I always tell people, he started saying he's going to quit to everybody here.
He said, I'm quit.
Alex is having Steve Pieczenik on.
He went in and told, you know, Rob Duve, he shouldn't have him on.
Like, Alex doesn't tell you who to have one.
So I don't tell David who to have one.
He shouldn't tell me who'd have one.
But that had nothing to do with the fact that David was saying he wanted to quit.
He was miserable and he wouldn't quit.
Fly, my friend.
The door's open.
jordan holmes
So now, apparently, David wanted out, so I kicked him out the door.
dan friesen
Yeah.
David didn't want me to have Steve Pieczenik on anymore, which had nothing to do with anything.
And he was going to quit.
So I just said, get to walk in.
jordan holmes
Get to walk in.
Now, also, I am pointing out that he told me not to have Steve on my show, which is a courtesy to a friend.
dan friesen
Talk to that guy.
He's a menace.
He's ruined your life.
jordan holmes
All right.
Okay.
So we are getting closer to the real answer.
dan friesen
Now, Alex starts to get a little bit mad about David Knight giving him editorial advice.
jordan holmes
Sure, there we go.
alex jones
Yeah, the Steve Pieczenik thing pushed him over the edge.
He basically told the whole crew he was going to quit.
Well, he didn't do it.
And he said he was going to quit years ago.
So I finally said, look, dude, you don't want to be here?
You're free.
And I like David, but I'm not going to sit there and he's not doing this.
He's a stand-up guy.
You can leave a million dollars with that guy in 10 years, come back and every dollar be there.
He's a straight-up, true, good guy.
jordan holmes
So I fired him.
alex jones
Engineer.
But like a lot of those guys, like a lot of those guys, it's his way or the highway.
So, okay, it's never me telling David what to have on.
It's the other way around.
And he didn't do it a lot, but years ago, he's like, hey, you shouldn't cuss on the show.
And you know what?
He's right.
But sometimes I can't help it.
And we delay it out.
But it's saying, I get it.
He's older than me.
I respect my elders, but I'm the boss.
Does that make sense?
dan friesen
Yeah, David kept telling me how to do my show.
jordan holmes
And I'll piss him off about it.
unidentified
That's why I had to fire him for his health.
jordan holmes
It has nothing to do with him and Steve Pieczenik fighting, even though I brought it up multiple times.
It has nothing to do with him and me fighting, even though I am clearly very angry about it.
I resent that he told me not to swear on my years ago, and I'm still hanging on to it.
dan friesen
Telling me not to swear on my radio show that I will get fined if I swear on.
Off station.
jordan holmes
Someone politely offering me just a little bit of advice as a friend, obviously.
dan friesen
David Knight does sound like a stand-up guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he does.
dan friesen
Telling Alex not to have Steve on is a blessing.
That's what I would expect of somebody who worked for me.
jordan holmes
That's a friend.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Someone telling me, hey, come on, stop swearing.
You're letting your passions get the best of you.
Your job is contingent on you not swearing on that guy.
It just seems like a guy who's got your back.
unidentified
Oh, man.
alex jones
Wow.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Anyway, it wasn't because of Steve, though.
You need to know that.
jordan holmes
Oh, sure.
alex jones
I respect my elders, but I'm the boss.
Does that make sense?
unidentified
Makes sense.
And then last thing I want to do a touch on, because I know we're trying to.
alex jones
Stop asking me about David or I'm going to keep saying more.
I'm asking listeners to drop it.
unidentified
Totally different.
alex jones
To drop it.
I swear to God on my children.
Hold on a minute.
I'm not going to let you go.
I swear to God on my children, Steve Pieczenik had nothing to do with this.
And David marched up and down the halls here saying he was going to quit for months.
He's gone.
jordan holmes
Because of Steve Pieczenik.
alex jones
Don't bring him back up.
dan friesen
So he was marching up and down the hall saying he was going to quit.
jordan holmes
Because of Steve Pieczenik.
dan friesen
But Steve had nothing to do with this.
jordan holmes
Nothing to do with this.
dan friesen
And Alex seems a little mad.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
A little mad.
jordan holmes
Maybe people keep bringing up the real answer and it's making it hard for me to continue lying about it.
dan friesen
But this caller didn't say that.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
This caller's question was: do you have a comment on that specific piece of bullshit that was on your show?
Not just Owen's show.
Steve talked about the election sting on Infowars on Alex's show as well.
Oh, yeah.
That is a very fair question for someone to ask a commentator.
Hey, you put this out.
It is inaccurate.
Do you have a statement on what you think?
Would you like to clear that up?
Instead, Alex starts yelling about David Knight.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
Which makes you think that thinking about Steve makes him think about David.
It makes you think that maybe.
jordan holmes
Swear on my kids' lives, who are strangely enough.
Oh my God, I just heard they died after I swear it on their lives.
Shit.
I think that might be my fault.
dan friesen
I will eat David Knight to save my kids.
Wait, what's going on?
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
dan friesen
Anyway, look, dude, it had nothing to do with Steve.
alex jones
So I'm the bad guy, just like Tony Montana says, point at me and say, good night to the bad man.
Okay?
Alex Jones is the bad man.
This is not a Howard Stern show where we have fighting on the show and fighting with the crew.
All right, I'm not mad at the caller.
I just can't handle it.
I just can't handle it.
Everybody's always got to have some drama.
Steve Pachinik has nothing to do with my decision.
David Knight saying that everyone that would listen was going to quit is the reason.
Most places you say you're going to quit a couple times, they go, go ahead and quit.
How about 200 times?
And I'm not mad at David.
So have respect for David and drop it.
He got what he wanted.
Oh, let's go ahead and talk to Jefferson in Virginia.
Jefferson, you're on the air.
Welcome.
dan friesen
Wow.
I feel welcome.
Thank you.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
So a very respectful tribute to David Knight's time on him.
dan friesen
90% calls on this show.
I would say it's not accurate.
jordan holmes
I realize now that the thing that I don't want people to ask me about is going to be the only thing we talk about on a call-in show.
dan friesen
I love the idea that this is the American Journal.
We're really getting the pulse of the country, and the country is conflicted about why Alex fired David, except no one appears to be except Alex.
unidentified
Alex is the only person who's given contradictory reports on this.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy, buddy.
dan friesen
I would just totally have accepted a number of explanations if they seemed consistent.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you just kept saying the same one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Instead of getting overtly and insanely defensive over the one that you are telling me for no reason.
For no reason.
dan friesen
While you're filling in on his show.
jordan holmes
Here's what you could do.
Hey, do you think it's because of Steve Pieczenik?
No, no, no.
It had nothing to do with it.
He just wasn't feeling well.
dan friesen
Hey, guess what?
Alex is also a liar.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, there's that.
dan friesen
He could just say he had another heart attack.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that would be easy.
dan friesen
Yeah, and then Dave would get on his Twitter and say, I didn't have a heart attack.
And then who cares?
jordan holmes
Nobody would pump over.
dan friesen
You're a liar by trade.
jordan holmes
No one cares.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, I was interested after listening to this American Journal to see how Alex holds up on his own show.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So a little bit after this, he takes this call from Jefferson and then he hangs out for a little bit.
It's boring as hell.
And then John Rappaport takes over for the last half hour.
And Alex jumps in.
And he realizes, as soon as he gets on his own show, that there were some calls that he didn't take on the American Journal.
And so he calls them back.
He has the producers call them back.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
I was called by a listener.
And he was on there and reminded me that there's actually a federal law saying we can all be experimented on en masse.
HR 4373.
So, you know, we're all about documentation.
The slugs over at George Soros run media matters that literally are mercenaries against your very life.
Are hoping you don't research this.
dan friesen
I'm guessing that Alex means H.R. 4373 from the most recent session of Congress.
H.R. 4373 from the 2015-2016 session was the end drunk driving act of 2016.
So I'm guessing that's not what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, that's right.
He still doesn't know they start over every Congress.
dan friesen
H.R. 4373 in the most recent Congress is a bill called the Engineering Biology Research and Development Act of 2019.
In December of last year, it passed the House and was sent to the Senate.
There, it was sent to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation, where no action has been taken on it since.
It's essentially a dead bill.
Even if this bill had passed, it wasn't something that would allow large-scale evil testing on people.
It was basically a declaration that more grants should be given out to engineering biology fields to expand the pool of researchers working on those topics.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
In case you were curious, though, the End Drunk Driving Act of 2016 didn't even make it out of the House.
jordan holmes
That's not surprising.
That's not surprising.
Everybody loves drunk driving.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Alex, you know, Media Matters is afraid of you looking into these things and finding out these bills that are stalled in committee exist that don't say what I'm going to pretend they scared the fuck out of you.
You didn't look into this.
jordan holmes
Terrify you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If only you worked half as hard as David Knight pretends to, you'd be able to look into that bill and find out.
Whatever.
Anyway, Alex is sort of continuing a lot of the themes from the American Journal, like the whole like your placenta will be attacked by the vaccine.
alex jones
Sure.
You're never having a baby again when you take this.
And the thing is, they're going to commit this mass crime and have the nurses and the doctors all signed on to it.
So when it turns out millions have been sterilized and millions die, slowly, everyone will enjoy on the cover-up.
And the Nazis call that the cement of blood.
They'll now be corrupted and follow any order.
dan friesen
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
That sounds scary.
jordan holmes
Can you sue for defamation on the behalf of like a field?
Yeah.
No, no, no, not on behalf of them, but like, could like Pfizer just be like, hey, I'm going to sue you.
Well, like, Fox News had to say all those things that they said were lies.
dan friesen
Sidney Powell's idea.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
They had to be like, hey, I'm sorry we lied about that.
Now, obviously, they're going to continue lying about it, but can you do that to Alex?
I mean, nobody cares enough to do it.
It would be hard.
But I mean, it seems like you can't just say that a company's vaccine will force you to never have a baby again.
dan friesen
Yeah, it seems like it would be something that should be actionable in some way, but I don't know what the mechanism for it would be.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, obviously, the vaccine itself cannot sue for defamation.
That's true.
dan friesen
And all the people who really do have some standing don't have the time and are public figures.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, like, Bill Gates would have a really tough time suing Alex for defamation.
Even though, like, I mean, his actual malice, Alex knows that the things he's saying are not true.
jordan holmes
Could the people who actually created the vaccine sue?
dan friesen
Conceivably.
I don't know.
I would be interested.
I don't know enough.
jordan holmes
That would be interesting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Let's do it.
dan friesen
So, Alex gets another caller from earlier who's still waiting to talk to him.
He has an interesting question.
alex jones
PB in Rhode Island, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
jordan holmes
Princess Bubblegum?
dan friesen
Peanut butter.
unidentified
Alex, thank you for taking my call, and thank you for everything you do.
alex jones
Thank you, brother.
unidentified
I just got a question for you.
As far as the communist Chinese leaks of over 2 million communist Chinese agents, pretty much released around the world, there was a list of 20 United States governors on that list.
jordan holmes
That seems like a lot.
unidentified
What do you think of that?
And how come it hasn't really gained as much traction in the media?
alex jones
Because the mainstream media is sold out to the ShiComs.
I mean, that's what I've been telling everybody forever, and now it's just come out.
dan friesen
Oh, maybe, maybe because that's not accurate.
Maybe?
jordan holmes
20 seems too high.
Almost power.
Yeah, 20 seems just too high.
Almost hiding.
dan friesen
Half of the governors in this country are Chinese secret agents.
jordan holmes
If you said like two governors had successfully become secret agents or whatever, that's more believable than almost half the entire country is run by communist secret agents.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Although that caller would have fit in on the American Journal.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So, Alex is still optimistic at this point on the 18th that Trump is going to seize power, and he reveals accidentally that Roger is still lying to him.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
I don't ever want to be over positive, but now I see Trump going after the globalist, and I see all these arrests happening, and I see them canceling Biden's military briefings, and it tells me Trump's getting ready to drop the hammer.
And I was told something about Trump.
I don't want to say whether I heard it from Trump or Roger Stone, but they told me when he was president-elect four-plus years ago that Trump expected this to come down to this.
And so, look, I'm just telling the New World Order: if you're looking for trouble, you came to the right place.
dan friesen
Yeah, I heard this from either Trump or Roger Stone.
Okay, it was Roger Stone.
Great.
So, in 2016, Roger Stone was saying that Trump planned on declaring martial law and seizing power.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
dan friesen
Glad you signed on to that.
jordan holmes
When he was president-elect, Roger Stone told me that Trump would overthrow this Democratic government and create a dictatorship.
So, I'm looking forward to that.
dan friesen
Yeah, I felt like that was the most constitutional thing I could support.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's obvious.
Like, Trump is either when he leaves office, he's either going to lose all of his money or he's going to wind up going to jail.
I don't see him de-escalating.
dan friesen
I mean, we say that, but like, why wouldn't he just be on the next season of the masked singer?
Yeah, that's true.
Like, why wouldn't he just reinvent himself as a pop star or something?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Probably because he's just directly responsible for the deaths of what's going to wind up being 400 to 500,000 people.
dan friesen
So, I mean, like, obviously, I'm on your side.
jordan holmes
No, sure.
Sure.
dan friesen
Speaking from the other end, who cares?
There's a giant portion of the population that doesn't care and will give him money.
jordan holmes
That's true.
So, like, so in America, that means there's another chapter.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
As long as he doesn't end up going to prison, even if he lost a ton of money, like rags to riches to rags to riches or whatever the fuck.
jordan holmes
It's not like he hasn't lost a ton of money before.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
So at this point, Alex has gone to break and he comes back.
It's very jarring because he comes in with some rap music and then gets really weird.
alex jones
And I'm not going to cover this news in the next hour because there's more coming in.
I want to really tell you what I think.
In the back of my brain, I'm still percolating what's happening.
But Trump's going to make a run at him.
I mean, that's the bottom line.
And I've talked to really serious people, a lot of them at the Pentagon, and they're all very excited and are going to make a run at him.
And they're getting the hearings ready to give them the political backing for what they need to do.
They're already raiding facilities.
It really is happening.
And right here in Austin, the raids did happen in Germany.
And let's just say this country's fighting for its life right now.
And with 33 days left, we should see some big action the next week.
dan friesen
When I'm going to be taking off.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I mean, like, this is classic Alex, just him coming in and being like, I'm not going to cover this story because my gut doesn't.
I'm going to cover it.
alex jones
Trump's going to make a run at him.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How funny.
dan friesen
So Alex has just heard this Pentagon story, which he covers a little bit.
alex jones
Yeah, though, this is out of Axios, Bloomberg, all of it, acting pentagon Chief Halt's Biden transition briefings, signaling that Trump is not going to concede and going to use the military.
dan friesen
So this is kind of what tipped him over the edge into like Trump is going to make a run at him.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
It's kind of bullshit.
The Pentagon has said that the reason for the halt in transition activities is because many of the staff felt overwhelmed by the demands of the transition, but are, quote, still committed to a productive transition of power.
jordan holmes
We didn't used to have to do our jobs.
dan friesen
That quote cut off at transition, I just said of power.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So maybe I don't want to mislead by adding to the quote.
Right.
These people said that they decided to, quote, take a knee until after the holidays because, quote, the DOD staff working the meetings were overwhelmed by the number of meetings, and quote, these same senior leaders needed to do their day jobs and were being consumed by transition activities.
I'm fairly cynical, but the way I see this, it's pretty clear that Trump's entire team is full of incompetence in the field of actually governing.
So it's not a surprise that the people he would choose would be the type of folks who'd be overwhelmed by work.
This is still upsetting and horrible and everything, but I'm not sure it's proof that Trump is set to use the military to stay in power.
jordan holmes
When incompetence among officials that Trump has directly appointed is an option, it's almost always the right one.
dan friesen
We can't get this shit done, and there's too many meetings.
Oh, no.
I could see that.
I could also see it being a like just almost sabotage petulance kind of thing.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
But I don't know if I think that it's an indication that Trump's going to use the military.
jordan holmes
I don't think so.
But I mean, it does make so much sense for them to, for the transition team to be like, here's the intelligence that we expect you to give us.
And they're like, ooh, we were told not to learn that kind of stuff.
So we don't have.
dan friesen
Yeah, running out the clock to show that, ooh, we were drinking these last four years.
Did nothing.
jordan holmes
We were allowed to act with impunity.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's a possible explanation.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And I don't know.
I guess we'll have to see how it plays out.
But that's really what is behind Alex's ha ha ha.
jordan holmes
Breaking news: the entire Biden family is under house.
Oh, no, that's not good.
dan friesen
So Alex has found this news story about the Supreme Court and someone yelling, Justice Roberts yelling about how we can't do this.
unidentified
We can't let Trump's cases come to court.
alex jones
But it looks bad waiting this long for McConnell to roll over and be a ShiCom agent, the Supreme Court to roll over to be Shi-Com agents, have Roberts screaming and yelling saying the Democrats will burn America.
So we're all scared of Trump's martial law to counter their martial law.
But we got the justice, the deposed chief justice, saying, we can't do this because if we do, screaming at the other justices who all crapped their pants and got in line, the other eight.
That's in the news now.
Credible sources, congressmen sources, the aides, talk to their aides, that he pistol whipped them.
He screamed at them for hours that there'll be riots.
They'll be, because that's what Black Lives Matter and $10.6 billion of BS was.
dan friesen
So this story isn't true.
Alex just saw a viral online post about it where a man named Matt Patrick argued at a December 14th meeting of the Texas electors that the Supreme Court was too cowardly to deal with the issues in front of them.
He claimed to have heard a story from a Supreme Court staffer that Justice Roberts yelled at fellow judges that they needed to dismiss the Texas Attorney General's case, saying that he didn't care about Bush versus Gore because there are riots going on and there weren't in 2000.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This man did not hear this story from a staffer.
He read it on right-wing extremist Hal Turner's website.
Someone wrote Hal Turner anonymously claiming to be a Supreme Court staffer and told this story, which Hal reported on December 12th with absolutely no verification whatsoever.
There's also very strong reasons just on its face to not believe this story, like what was posted and pointed out by Snopes, the fact that the Supreme Court justices have not met in person for months because of COVID-19.
jordan holmes
There is that.
dan friesen
So there's not really a closed-door meeting that this staffer, alleged staffer, could have overheard.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but you could almost buy John Roberts just because I'm sure at least in some small way, he has to resent Barrett and Kavanaugh because his job used to be so much more solemn and respected.
And now with Barrett and Kavanaugh on there, he's kind of an idiot.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, whenever you have a notorious on there, you know, it's like she gives you a gravitas of the Supreme Court, of like, look, this is what the Supreme Court can do.
And now, like, Barrett writes her decisions in Crayon.
And it's like, I don't think you're supposed to be here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I can't think of Kavanaugh without thinking of Squeed.
unidentified
Yeah, Poor Judge Roberts.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm so sad for him.
I'm so sad for him.
dan friesen
Maybe not.
jordan holmes
Going down in history as a moron is going to be a real bummer.
dan friesen
Speaking of people who are going to go down in history as morons and are looked as such now, David Icke is not on the show.
However, his son is.
alex jones
They'll take calls for a couple segments.
And then David Icke's son, who's quite the filmmaker, is going to be joining us with some big breaking news.
dan friesen
I love these guys talking about merits and getting by based on what you do, what you produce.
jordan holmes
Bootstraps.
dan friesen
Talk to David Icke's son.
We're going to talk to someone who's such a great filmmaker that you have to introduce him, not by his name, but as David Icke.
jordan holmes
David Icke's son.
Wow.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
Wow, that is sad.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
I would not like to be David Icke's son.
dan friesen
He seems to enjoy it.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
So Alex has noticed that Howard Stern has been doing some segments where they make fun of Alex.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
They have been doing that for a while.
And lately, I guess Alex wants to talk about it.
I don't know.
This is really interesting because they are making fun of Alex.
It's very clearly mocking.
Alex might have a different angle on it.
Interesting.
alex jones
But Howard Stern still has a gigantic show, number one show on XM.
Probably reaches 5 million people a day considerably to tune in.
And he's up there every week now doing these puppet show videos.
They're very viral and send us a lot of new listeners.
So I don't want to attack Stern too much so he gets in trouble and can't make these.
I know Stern said he was a listener before and had me on a few times as a guest.
I used to go on his network like once a month for years till somebody killed him.
And so I think overall, Stern's trying to actually warn people through the show.
Maybe I'm wrong.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe you're wrong.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
So I think that Stern is like subtly trying to get InfoWars messages out on his show by making fun of me.
And I don't want to get too much attention on it.
So he can't do it anymore.
jordan holmes
What the fuck?
alex jones
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The character of Alex is largely like selling shit.
jordan holmes
I need to, I like the way that he brings me more attention.
Yeah.
And doesn't actually affect whether or not people believe my bullshit, but I don't like having to say nice things about it.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex has got this idea about Justice John Roberts.
He's being a coward and all this.
He's yelling behind closed doors.
Sure.
And actually, Alex knows why.
alex jones
Well, that's Roberts getting a call from Holder that's got all the Obama that knows about him and his kidnapped kids and how his adopted kids were kidnapped, reportedly.
And so he's on a very short chain.
And so he's there going, we got to do this.
We got to do this.
And so he's a big problem.
dan friesen
I guess there's blackmail.
A good thing Alex threw in reportedly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the Supreme Court, notoriously a friend of the Obama administration.
dan friesen
Yeah, Obama and Eric Holder are really coming through right now.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Good timing.
dan friesen
I mean, like, why?
What are they doing?
jordan holmes
What have they been doing?
want to get the individual mandate back we're gonna do it this time guys Now that we know his kids were stolen, and that's why he's got them.
Holder is ready to pull the trigger now.
dan friesen
Yep, that must be it.
jordan holmes
That must be it.
dan friesen
You'd assume that a number of things would have gone differently if Eric Holder had some blackmail on.
jordan holmes
That would suggest that when Holder lost, he also was telling him, hey, look, I'm planning on losing this one.
So make it convincing, I guess.
Jesus.
dan friesen
Ridiculous.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex takes more calls, and this one, this caller here, wants a civil war.
unidentified
If they don't do anything about this, I say we need to just have a civil war because there's no way we'll survive under Biden.
It's not about us.
It's about future generations.
We need to make moves now.
Sacrifice our lives.
alex jones
Well, I know people are ready to fight, and that's what scares the enemy.
My issue is, and thank you for the call.
God bless you, Heather.
I wouldn't even call it a civil war.
I mean, this is a foreign occupation with collaborators.
So this is a recapturing of America operation.
So I don't, and I think, I think there are a lot of forces that aren't going to put up with this.
The Tricom's pissing on us.
dan friesen
His problem seems to be semantics.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it sounds like that.
I do not appreciate how casual so many people are with bandying civil war about.
dan friesen
It's pretty fucked up.
jordan holmes
I think we need a civil war.
You know, just that's one of those things you talk about in the...
dan friesen
You know, we just lay down our lives for the future generations.
unidentified
We...
dan friesen
We should all just die fighting against our fellow citizens.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Look, my problem is terminology.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
My problem with you are exactly like Alex's rebuttal.
No, no.
It's not good.
It's not a civil war.
It's a recapturing.
dan friesen
It implies that he's okay with everything but the word.
jordan holmes
Yes, pretty much.
dan friesen
So we get to David Ike's son, and we're not going to listen to this interview.
I just have one clip because it's classic Alex.
jaymie icke
They're not going to stop until we stand up as a race, as a species, and stop them.
I mean, I've heard so many times from this.
I'm sure you have as well.
You've been asked the question is, when does this end?
And the simple answer to that is, it ends when we stop doing it.
Ends when we stop allowing them to control us.
You know, a bully will be.
alex jones
You know, that's basically a Thomas Everson quote.
He was asked, how bad will tyrants do?
How bad will they, how far will they push?
And he said, exactly as far as you let them.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
jaymie icke
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah, totally.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Fake Thomas Jefferson quote.
Still doing the David Ike.
jordan holmes
Still doing the TJ.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Well, boy.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here, Jordan.
Yeah.
And this is a mic down clip because it is a return to form.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It is Alex talking over You Belong to the City.
alex jones
Sure.
jordan holmes
I'm excited.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We haven't heard a good one of those in a while.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then I think it just ends perfectly.
This is like a nice little ride.
It's not his best rant over the song, but the coda to the end, much like the piano in Layla.
jordan holmes
Sure, great.
dan friesen
Makes the song.
alex jones
is that this enemy attack is a desperate counter-offensive We are winning.
Humanity is awakening.
Humanity holds the keys to human destiny.
And so as long as you don't submit, and as long as you don't hate yourself, and as long as you know how amazing you are, and that spark and that splinter of God's mind that created you, there's nothing they can do against you.
My Daughter Day Beggish says, as your life gets closer to death, every minute becomes more valuable.
Every second, until you're finally gone at the next level, and then there's eternity, and nothing but consciousness.
So you need to transcend that fear.
He's about to take over here in just a minute or so.
Kathy and Alaska, go ahead and thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello?
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Oh, just like Alex is like an angry Alan Watts.
unidentified
What's your life ticks away?
dan friesen
There's just eternity.
jordan holmes
I don't know why I can't get this.
I just want now to hear Carl Sagan's pale blue dot speech, but over You Belong to the City.
dan friesen
There is something really great about that song and Alex's weird rambling space nonsense.
jordan holmes
He's just so good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
One day we will all fly away from Saturn's rings.
dan friesen
And there's nothing that evil can do about it.
It is great.
And then just like the reality that comes crashing, crashing.
The music dies.
alex jones
Boom.
dan friesen
And then she's like, long pause.
unidentified
Hello?
jordan holmes
Hello?
dan friesen
It's just so great.
jordan holmes
Are you going to keep playing You Belong to the City?
I wanted to talk over it.
dan friesen
So great.
So great.
I would probably listen to Alex talk over that song for like an hour on the treadmill.
It would get me there.
It would help me.
jordan holmes
Oh, totally.
Yeah.
If he was just going to switch to just Eckhart Tolly tapes, but only over music, just like a banging soundtrack that he talks shit over, I would listen to that.
dan friesen
You referenced, I think it was on our last episode, the album of Paul Stanley song introduction.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
People let me get this off my chest.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I think it would be awesome if Alex would record just an hour of free form, improvisational speeches over that sack.
jordan holmes
Sweary Carrie basically did it.
I mean, she sang.
dan friesen
A little.
jordan holmes
She sang, but yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I want to hear Alex do William Shatner spoken word style album over You Belong to the City.
That's the entire background.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Just constant.
That would win back a lot of hearts and minds, I think.
dan friesen
That would win a Grammy.
jordan holmes
Open White Geagle is snubbed again, but AJ winds up in the top pop charts.
dan friesen
This is going to be his first step to eat it.
He's going to get a delayed Oscar for his star turn in a scanner darkly.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
That cameo of him yelling into a bullhorn.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're going to mistake his endgame for Avengers Endgame and give a retroactive Oscar for that.
dan friesen
Okay, you can have two Oscars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then he's going to get a Tony for his version of Hamilton.
jordan holmes
Right.
That's Jefferson.
dan friesen
But it's all not true.
jordan holmes
It's all not true.
Jefferson's ripped.
He's shirtless the whole time.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then he gets an Emmy for that time he was on the view.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would give him an Emmy.
dan friesen
All right.
unidentified
He got it.
jordan holmes
He got it.
dan friesen
So this, somebody's not going to get any awards for is the American Journal.
No, that show sucks.
I hate to say it because I got really excited.
I'll be honest.
Whenever the David Knight firing happened, I was very confused.
And then when I learned the next day that Alex was really showing some go-get him spirit, some Vim, some vigor, I was pumped because I was like, this could be really fun.
And instead, he just complains about David Knight and takes boring calls.
Like, it's not a good show.
It would actually be a better show with Harrison Smith hosting it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Because he's boring as hell.
And you could have somebody who can just be a cardboard cutout with the callers.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's a good use.
jordan holmes
That's what Washington, yeah.
dan friesen
That guy has a little bit of competence, though.
jordan holmes
No, I'm not saying that he's just...
I think he's great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He does what he does really well.
dan friesen
He's like, um, you know, the, the straight man in a comedy team where you think they're doing nothing, but it's, it's no, he's Dave Foley.
There's nuance to that nothing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Harrison Smith would just be nothing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But he could not work better than Alex.
dan friesen
Like, at least half an hour of this entire time was in yelling about conflicting reports about David Knight.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Totally.
Just because he's petty and he's angry and wants to save face about firing old Greybeard.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's weird.
I still am not convinced 100% that it was Steve, but his performance makes me think it was.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
If I was 50-50, now I'm at 70-30.
The more every time he denies it, it goes up 10%.
That kind of thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I guess it can't be financial because if Alex is doing this, it would require the crew that would be there for David anyway.
So I guess salary if David Knight was making a bunch.
I don't know.
I don't trust any of this shit.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, Coursey, whenever we found out how much fucking money he was making.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he had juice.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Course he was a name.
He was a good person.
jordan holmes
Course he was a name.
But Knight had a long career there.
I assume he hopefully got a 3% raise every year.
dan friesen
I bet he started in 2009 at $5.15 an hour.
jordan holmes
Give him a cola at least.
dan friesen
No benefits.
jordan holmes
Cost of living, man.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
No insurance.
dan friesen
There's a soda machine in the break room.
Yeah, I don't know.
I would assume it's so hard to say.
I always think like, man, they must be getting paid a lot because this is degrading work.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
But I think if you're in, you realize you can't go anywhere else.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Now David Knight could.
Like we said, he could go to Newsmax or OAN really easily and probably get a decent contract.
Sure.
But 2010, 2011, there wasn't anywhere that David Knight could go.
Maybe the Blaze, but that didn't exist then.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Once he walked in the door, he was stuck for a while.
And he's David Knight, so he wasn't going to cause enough problems elsewhere to justify a firing until Steve Pachetic says something batshit.
dan friesen
And he's like, guys, another thing that was batshit.
jordan holmes
I can't do this.
This is my final straw.
dan friesen
And it kind of makes you think, because David Knight was saying that the last straw for him and Steve was the Las Vegas shooting.
And after that, Steve didn't appear on Alex's show for quite a while.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
So it makes you think that maybe Alex listened to him at that point.
Maybe behind the scenes, David was the one who was being like, look, this is really fucked up.
You can't allow him to.
jordan holmes
We do know that David has told him not to have certain people on in the past.
dan friesen
I know I heard Alex complain about that.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yeah.
He was very offended.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's why Black Lives Matter made $10.6 billion.
jordan holmes
And we had to fire David Knight.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think this story will unravel further in the coming days.
But since Alex is theoretically taking a week off, that leaves us without anything for a while.
So I was thinking maybe we should do a Project Camelot on Friday, maybe.
Ooh, that might be fun.
Or we'll figure out something.
I'm not going to do a David Knight episode on Christmas Eve.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
That's not a present for Christmas.
dan friesen
I know that not everybody celebrates all the same holidays, but for those who do, that would be a shit present.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Sorry about that.
dan friesen
Don't want to do that.
jordan holmes
Not interested.
dan friesen
But either way, we'll be back.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at Knowledge Underscore FightNet.
Go to Bed, Jordan.
dan friesen
World's Whoa on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We have Facebook Television.
And if you could please find a local charity or Bailfund in your area to help out people doing God's work right now.
dan friesen
Or else we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clerk.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
I am not ending this show because of Steve Pieczenik.
I swear.
I swear.
I'm not ending this show.
Right now, we're about to finish this show, and it has nothing to do with Steve Pieczenik.
It just has everything to do with, look, Jordan has been tired for like the last 30 minutes or so, and he wants to end the show.
I would like to keep the show going.
jordan holmes
Fire Jordan.
dan friesen
I would like the show to keep going for another half hour.
But look, everybody needs a break.
Jordan looks like he's going to have a heart attack.
He's ashen.
Anyway, finances are tight, so we can't do another half hour.
It has nothing to do with Steve.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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