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Dec. 14, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
02:21:06
#511: The 12/12 Rallies

#511: The 12/12 Rallies dissects Alex Jones’ role in D.C.’s 2020 Jericho March, where he tied election fraud claims to Christian nationalism, invoking "slaves of Satan" like Bill Gates while Eric Metaxas and Mike Lindell amplified baseless conspiracy theories. Speakers—from failed House candidate Bishop Leon Benjamin (38% vs. 61%) to parking lot communion Pastor Brian Gibson—blended apocalyptic rhetoric with crass commercialism, like MyPillow ads and "Kung Flu" slurs, exposing a movement where divine favor masks anti-government extremism and performative defiance of COVID rules. The episode reveals how these rallies weaponize faith to bypass facts, leaving Jones’s brand as the toxic glue binding fringe politics and delusional activism. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 05:00
d
dan friesen
01:07:00
j
jordan holmes
35:41
Appearances
a
ali alexander
03:03
e
ed martin
00:40
e
eric metaxas
04:10
m
michael flynn
r 01:42
m
mike lindell
r 02:22
Clips
o
owen shroyer
winn 00:15
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang B are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy and Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish pin color.
I'm a huge fan.
dan friesen
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
Hey, everybody.
dan friesen
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, technology beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Joe's.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed, we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan.
alex jones
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is cereals.
jordan holmes
Cereals.
Okay.
dan friesen
I have gone...
jordan holmes
Like the old radio serials, like The Shadow, like the...
dan friesen
I wish that was what I was saying.
No, I'm talking about breakfasts.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
Like I mentioned to you that I have been exploring the world of ordering groceries for the sake of safety.
COVID.
And one of the things that has led me to do is more browsing than maybe I'm used to at a grocery store.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
I kind of get in and get out at a grocery store generally.
I kind of know what I'm looking for, and I don't eat that many different foods.
jordan holmes
Wearing blinders at the grocery store.
dan friesen
Go to the frozen pizza section, kachunk, ka-chunk.
jordan holmes
And go home.
Yeah.
Yes.
dan friesen
Browsing through, I've noticed that there are a number of cereals now that really excite me but also offend me.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right, all right.
dan friesen
These are the cereals where everybody's playing each other's game.
Okay.
Everyone is in each other's lanes, and I don't know what's going on.
jordan holmes
Do you mean like how like Kellogg's Rice Krispies will suddenly have like a peanut butter ball version?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And you're like, no, no, no, that's Reese's Puffs.
You stay the fuck out of here, Rice Krispies.
dan friesen
Or they have like fruit loops with marshmallows.
alex jones
And you're wrong.
dan friesen
You're working Lucky Charms side of the streets.
jordan holmes
What are you doing here?
alex jones
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And it's weird because when I was a kid, I probably would have loved this.
jordan holmes
Oh, gone ape shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, but now as a 36-year-old man, I'm looking at this and I'm like, God, I gotta try it, but I don't want to.
jordan holmes
No, it's the worst.
Everybody's fighting on a corner war.
It's the drug war all over again.
dan friesen
One thing I was thinking about doing, but I'm not sure I'm going to be able to pull it off because I don't know if I'll actually be able to get all of them.
And I don't know how many of these hybrids there are, but it seems like there's a bunch.
I was thinking about trying to get a bunch and seeing who steals other people's gimmicks best.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Like, all right.
Does frosted flakes is that improved with marshmallows?
I don't know how it would work.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you, the chocolate frosted flakes, I tried those.
Absolutely disgusting.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
They're delicious for the first three bites, and then you're like, I'm not four years old anymore, so this much sugar is going to kill me.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with a no.
dan friesen
I think that there's probably a lot of that in what I would find.
Yeah.
I did get the Lucky Charms.
Uh-huh.
But with like the regular pieces that aren't marshmallows.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Are like honey.
jordan holmes
Oh.
Were those good?
unidentified
No.
Kind of just like, I like regular Lucky Charms.
jordan holmes
They're good.
They're magically delicious.
I do like how many people are trying new stuff, whatever.
It's like, guys, I have been with Lucky Charms for four.
It's like I've been smoking Newport since I was nine years old, and you guys are going to come up with some bullshit.
Like, the Camel Crush.
The first time the Camel Crush happened, I'm like, this is an affront against God.
How dare you combine these two flavors?
unidentified
It's wrong.
dan friesen
But then they're great.
Yeah, so maybe you should try all these things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
You should.
dan friesen
So what about you?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan, is the Avalanches released a new album.
The Avalanches released two albums in one decade, Dan.
dan friesen
That's insane.
jordan holmes
Below in your mind, isn't it?
dan friesen
Yeah, I was like, wow.
15 years between since I left you and whatever they came out with.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Wildflower.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Wow.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
And then just now, We Will Always Love You released Friday.
Absolutely fantastic.
unidentified
That's cool.
dan friesen
I don't want to be a hater, but I didn't really like their second album as much as I liked Since I Left You back when I used to smoke a lot of weed when I was younger.
jordan holmes
I mean, Since I Left You was kind of genre-busting in that they really took sampling too far.
They were like, hey, what if...
No, no, no, I know.
You like the Amen break and we'll strengthen it.
What if instead we took 48 milliseconds and combined it with 48 milliseconds of 10 million other songs?
dan friesen
Yeah.
And like I was just the right age and like I said, smoking tons of weed and Frontier Psychiatrist like blew my mind.
jordan holmes
It blew everybody's mind.
How did you get that parrot?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The music video of it was so bizarre.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Totally.
dan friesen
I don't know how any other album they made could not kind of be a letdown based on the experience of that album at that time.
Sure.
But I'll try and have an open mind for this other music.
jordan holmes
Well, you know, in 2001, you thought they were mind-melting geniuses who were going to change music forever.
And then their next album was a really good album if you were good producers, but that's not, you know, genre-busting era-defining stuff.
dan friesen
I think the problem is the decade in between.
Like, if you put out a sophomore album that's just serviceable or just good, sure.
The next year, it's more understandable than like waiting for Chinese democracy.
unidentified
Just being, just being, eh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You can't do that.
That is fair.
That's fair.
This one's really good.
dan friesen
You can't live up to that hype.
It's tough.
jordan holmes
This one's great.
They got a bunch of really good guests on it.
They do a lot of classic trip hop stuff.
It almost sounds a little portise heady.
dan friesen
They get tricky to do a verse.
jordan holmes
Then they go full disco.
They got some disco, and then they got some classic Avalanches walking songs, which is what the Avalanches do best.
dan friesen
I'll check it out.
So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about the weekend.
The band.
jordan holmes
The band?
He's a guy.
dan friesen
Genre-busting.
jordan holmes
He was back in 2007 whenever his first EPs dropped.
Anyways, I'm not even going to talk about that.
No, I know quite a bit.
dan friesen
We're going to be talking about the day that was 12-12-2020, the day out on DC's.
Alex didn't move to DC.
jordan holmes
No, I didn't think so.
dan friesen
But he did go to DC.
jordan holmes
I assumed he would go.
dan friesen
And so today we're going to be taking a look at some of the events on the nation's capital.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
But first, before we get to that, let's take a moment, Jordan, to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Bambooza, thank you so much.
You're an Al Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a Policy Wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Bambooza.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Jim F. Thank you so much.
You're an Al Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a Policy Wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Jim.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Ryan H. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
unidentified
Ryrai.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm calling all Ryan's.
dan friesen
Next, this could be Jel.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
J-E-L-L-E.
I think it's probably Jel.
Okay.
Thank you so much.
You are now a Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a Policy Wonk.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Could be a reference to cats.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with Jell.
dan friesen
Could be a jellical.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with Jell.
dan friesen
This could be a jellical wonk.
jordan holmes
It could be a jellical wonk.
I don't know if they had one of those in the original cats, though.
dan friesen
Next, Kabir S. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Kabir.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Will O. Thank you so much.
You're an Al Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a Policy Wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Will.
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Rebecca O. Thank you so much.
No relation.
Okay.
Thank you.
You're a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Rebecca.
dan friesen
Okay, then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So, Andy Kay, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And it goes on.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, Mike, that's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We got to go full tilt buggy on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare info war on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Andy, and thank you so much.
And it goes on.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening, you're thinking, hey, I enjoy the show.
I'd like to support these gents, do you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the buttons to support the show.
jordan holmes
Or what you could do is you could go to a record store, go back into the back part of the record store, start searching through all your favorite bands, maybe some disco bands.
dan friesen
We're talking about in the crates.
jordan holmes
Esoteric stuff that other people haven't seen.
Find some generosity in there.
Take little bits of the best generosity from each one of those little crates over there.
Combine it together to make something amazingly generous and take it to your local bailfund or charity.
dan friesen
Bigging in the crates.
Yep.
Great.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Thank you.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes, sir.
dan friesen
Today.
jordan holmes
What about it?
dan friesen
We are going to be talking about the rallies that happened in D.C. over the weekend.
jordan holmes
They went great.
dan friesen
One thing that's really difficult for me is I'm not going to be addressing really the street violence.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think that that is a failing of our show to an extent.
And that is because I don't have enough time to get into it.
Not on our show.
I mean, in terms of like cover it with the seriousness and the focus that I think the topic deserves.
jordan holmes
Sure, we're a silly show about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Yes.
I don't want to give short shrift to that, but at the same time, it falls slightly outside of what I have the time to cover.
jordan holmes
As we've seen with Rogan, half-assing it is sometimes worse than doing anything at all.
dan friesen
Yes, but I did not want people to think that I turn a blind eye to that kind of thing or tacitly accept such.
So, Jordan, on Saturday, there were multiple rallies that were happening in D.C. surrounding the idea that this election had been stolen.
Stop that steal.
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
They were both about the same thing, had the same theme, and even featured some overlapping speakers.
It was super confusing, but I think I know what was up.
One of the rallies was being held by the Women for America First, the group that formed out of the Tea Party, which is trying to use these protests and some of this unrest to secure more power for the Republican Party while simultaneously trying to make the Republican Party as weird as possible, like they did with the Tea Party.
jordan holmes
Yes, correct.
dan friesen
The other rally was called the Jericho March, which made no secret about just being an overtly Christian extremist rally with some really outrageous planned speakers.
jordan holmes
Well, if I remember my story of Jericho well, I believe those people were the nice ones.
They decided to end the siege by negotiating, coming to a fair solution for both parties, right?
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah.
That Jericho march, it had Ali Alexander in the mix, our friend from InfoWars.
They also had the Cowboys for Trump and noted asshole/slash Congress member Paul Gosar.
jordan holmes
Oh, great.
dan friesen
It's really hard for me to tell what exactly was going on, and I kind of don't think that these two were opposing rallies per se.
Your instinct would be to think that the Jericho march was for the religious zealots, whereas the Women for America First would be the more restrained one.
But honestly, the rallies were almost identical.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're both the same.
dan friesen
I watched both of them.
Yeah, they're the same people.
Not all the same people, but it's the same vibe.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what I mean.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Both featured Mike Flynn giving the same speech.
Both had appearances from and got funding from the My Pillow guy.
jordan holmes
Okay, great.
dan friesen
And both were overwhelmingly religious.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Watching these rallies, one thing that's abundantly clear to me, and that's something that I think is very important for us to bring up, is we're not dealing with politics here at all.
This is not politics.
This is a cult with some interest in politics as a means to gaining and retaining power.
And I don't really know how to talk about that without like, I don't know.
I don't know how to engage with the ideas of a cult.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think the best way to engage with the ideas of cult is on a grand scale.
And what we should do to stimulate the economy is train 50% of the country in cult deprogramming to help them with the other 50%.
dan friesen
That's a new deal.
jordan holmes
I think that's a good way to do it.
It's like the Works Progress Administration.
Sure.
dan friesen
It's just, it's really difficult because it comes off, or it can be misconstrued as attacking religion to attack this kind of thing that's going on.
And I don't have any interest in attacking religion or Christianity.
I have a problem with what this is.
Yeah.
And that's tough.
Because when we hear a person say that Bill Gates said X, Y, or Z in an interview, it's really easy to go find that interview and discuss what's going on.
When we hear that same person say that God has chosen Donald Trump to be president, it's not too difficult to say that they're a bit of a fanatic and they're probably unwell.
The difficulty comes when there are two multi-hour rallies attended by thousands of people where the speakers repeatedly and incessantly insist that God has chosen Trump to be president and everyone cheers.
That's tough.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is really fucked up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We know where Alex is at.
We know where his head is.
We know what he's up to.
And so I thought maybe a good use of our time today would be to look at these rallies themselves and try and assess where we're at with all this and see if it's something that we can learn to talk about a little bit better and see if there's anybody who pops up who is a particularly good crazy.
unidentified
Oh, good.
dan friesen
Maybe there will be somebody who's like, if this is.
jordan holmes
I don't think Hamamoto's coming by.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
No.
I don't think Hamamoto got his invite for this.
dan friesen
Darrell is.
jordan holmes
I think I can let that one go.
dan friesen
He's still yelling at Linda Katagi out at UC Davis.
Okay.
No, but I figure like, hey, you've got one.
I think each rally was at least four hours long.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
You've got a lot of speakers.
Maybe somebody is going to be like, all right, you got something.
You got a weirdness I'm going to be interested in looking into.
So maybe that's worth our time.
So we're going to start here, Jordan, with the Jericho March.
This was hosted by Eric Metaxas.
I'm kind of aware of who this guy is.
He's like a Christian writer and a radio host, but I really don't know a ton about him.
And based on his work emceeing this event, that will probably be the way it stays because this dude is straight up boring as hell.
jordan holmes
Oh, come on, man.
dan friesen
A whole lot of awful stage patter type material and then just calls to praise the Lord.
jordan holmes
Oh, wait.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah, so we're starting with the one that's more explicitly religious.
And you get that right from the jump.
jordan holmes
So we're going to get some Ace Freely band talk, and then we're going to smooth into the...
dan friesen
First of all, it's Paul Stanley.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Whatever.
How dare you?
Whatever.
dan friesen
Yes.
Eric Metaxas does have some things he needs to get off his chest.
jordan holmes
Hey, there we go.
dan friesen
He comes in.
He's like, hey, what's up, DC?
jordan holmes
I heard y'all like the taste of alcohol.
All right.
Let's overthrow democracy forever.
unidentified
All right, let's move on.
Who out there's drinking screwdrivers?
dan friesen
Culture.
All right.
No.
unidentified
Who loves fascism?
dan friesen
It doesn't start with that.
It starts very religious.
eric metaxas
We are here because we love the God of the Bible.
We are here because we believe he is the God of history.
We're here because we know that he is the God who does real miracles.
When his remnant cries out to him in humility and love and says, Abba Father, we need you, Abba Father.
We are here today to cry out to the God of heaven to ask him to have mercy on the greatest nation in the history of the world.
dan friesen
So it's pretty, it's pretty overtly religious.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one's a little bit on the street.
dan friesen
That's like maybe 15 seconds into the rally.
Good.
jordan holmes
Really?
We got the tone.
dan friesen
We were worshiping the God of history.
All right, all right.
So this rally itself, this Jericho march, was the product, apparently, of two people who had a vision.
And Eric Metaxas is going to discuss that here.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
eric metaxas
Now, the man and the woman who didn't know each other until a little while ago, Rob Weaver and Irina Grossu, okay?
Each of them independently, in case you didn't know the story, each of them had an insane vision from God.
jordan holmes
How would we know the story?
eric metaxas
Rob Weaver told me this story a few nights ago.
He says he doesn't normally get visions like this.
And the Lord woke him up.
It's a dramatic story.
And he had this insane, open vision of people gathered blowing shofars.
There were nuns there.
He described it to me exactly.
The bad news is it looked nothing like this, and you guys need to leave right now.
I was kidding.
That was a joke.
He had a vision from God.
When God gives you a vision, you don't need to know anything else.
You just praise him that he cares enough to show you what he is doing.
dan friesen
I have vision questions, too.
We'll learn more about this vision later.
But the thing that I think is interesting is, like, that is a terrible joke.
jordan holmes
I would have to go with, yes, that is a terrible joke.
dan friesen
But, like, at the same time, that's what he's doing.
And I think, actually, if I were the promoter or the booker of this, he's a perfect host.
jordan holmes
No, he's doing a great job.
dan friesen
For what he's doing here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
For where he is.
dan friesen
He's slightly charismatic.
It's not offensive, but you can still tell it's an attempt at humor.
He's personable to the audience that's the target of this rally.
Yeah, but it's also trash.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but it's unmemorably a bad joke where you're like, joke registered.
You know what?
I'm not going to hold it against you.
We're just going to move on.
dan friesen
It does feel like somebody who's there for a check.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Who's like, I'll get paid.
Got to clock in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I've done those gigs before.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It's almost a cut and paste kind of host joke.
And I think you see a lot of that if you do enough stand-up.
And you can kind of get that vibe from him.
But at the same time, I kind of prefer that to someone who's maybe taking too big a swing.
Sometimes that goes really badly.
jordan holmes
I would give a lot of money to see this guy try and do crowd work at one of these rallies.
That would be brutal.
dan friesen
So we got these two people.
They had a vision.
One is Rob Weaver.
He is an evangelical Christian.
And then Irina Grossu, who is a Catholic.
And so the two of them both had a vision.
We'll meet them a little bit later.
But that's why this is happening.
jordan holmes
All right.
So this is happening because the evangelical Christians and the Catholics have finally both received the independent message from God that they were looking for in order to combine and put aside their previous doctrinal differences in order to take back Trump's presidency.
Right.
Your whole fucking religion boils down to Trump, you pathetic shitbags.
dan friesen
That's the part that I really have trouble with.
It's like, I have nothing against religion.
I have nothing against Christianity.
I have a real problem with the way in which they're being like Christianity and Trump are being melded.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, when we're talking about this religion, I'm not going to shit on Christianity as a quote-unquote concept or religion as a whole.
But I will say that it is eminently reasonable to shit on your religion if you think that your ultimate battle of good and evil involves Donald Trump.
dan friesen
That is tough to wrestle with.
jordan holmes
Yeah, your religion is so tiny and weak and meaningless if that's what it is.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If it relies on Donald Trump.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And when you hear things like this, and it's just like, what?
eric metaxas
We are what God is doing in the United States today by his grace.
And today, we're going to see heaven move.
Heaven is going to move.
Thank you, Jesus.
Thank you, Jesus.
Before I introduce my friend Mike Lindell, who's going to tell you to use the discount code Eric, because I would never do that.
That would be self-serving.
Before I introduce Mike Lindell, I'd like to lead you in the Pledge of Allegiance.
dan friesen
So, like, he's talking about how God is going to make heaven move, and then immediately he's going to introduce the My Pillow guy, and he gives a promo code.
jordan holmes
God does not give promo codes, Mike Lindell does.
Yeah, I get that.
unidentified
But if you're at a religious rally and somebody gives you a promo code, then leave.
dan friesen
One of the problems that I find with both of these rallies is they are very clearly funded by My Pillow.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
He's very clearly sponsored.
It's SpawnCon.
Is this SpawnCon?
Is that what we're doing?
I think it might be.
At your religious rally, there's sponsored content.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Fuck off.
I'm a bit worried that that is the case.
All right.
And that means that he gets to speak.
Well, he gets a walk-on roll.
jordan holmes
To buy your way in.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, my pillow guy.
jordan holmes
Nothing says Jesus more than buying five minutes of stage time.
dan friesen
So, right before this event, you know, there had been that Supreme Court had thrown out the case in Pennsylvania.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they screamed it was too legally good.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And the My Pillow guy has some news about this that he received.
First of all, he says that Sidney Powell called him at 2 in the morning.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
To give him some news.
Good.
Why is she calling you at 2 in the morning?
jordan holmes
He's the My Pillow guy, Dan.
He's the coordinator.
He's the front coordinator.
dan friesen
I got problems with this story.
mike lindell
Hello, everyone.
I'm going to start off by bringing you some hope.
Last night, about 2 in the morning, I got a text from Sidney Powell's team, and the Texas lawsuits had nothing to do with what she's been working hard on.
And she filed her lawsuits with the Supreme Court for Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Arizona.
And everything that I've been telling you for three weeks now is true.
I have seen it.
The fraud is 100%.
And Donald Trump will be our president for four more years.
dan friesen
By pillow.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah, so sorry, I said Pennsylvania.
I meant that Texas.
Got all these sad attempts to overturn the election mixed up.
But yeah, so he, I like the idea that Sidney Powell texted him and was like, hey, that had nothing to do with it.
jordan holmes
Don't worry about me.
Don't worry about me.
I'm on crazy adventure number four over here.
dan friesen
This looks like a big setback, but that was not our deal.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
I'm not even there.
Watch out.
I got to watch this guy rip a heart out of another dude.
unidentified
I'm in the I like that.
dan friesen
And it does set the tone kind of for the event, and that is everybody is joyous.
Yeah.
Turns out that there was this big setback where Texas and, you know, like all these people had signed on, all these Republican members of the House had signed on with this, and then it didn't work.
It seemed like, hey, you know, that was kind of almost like the Ron Paul winning the Iowa caucus of this cycle.
There's that moment of hope, and then it's gone.
But no, My Pillow Guy says Sidney Powell texted him at two in the morning and said, hey, be cool.
Be cool.
It's so wild.
jordan holmes
So I would buy this making sense if I knew that all of the rich Republicans and business owners and all that stuff were all like buying a lot of property in a different country right now and all of them slowly moving all their stuff away.
So I get all this like edging with the lawsuits is them buying time to make good their escape before they pull the trigger and everybody explodes, you know?
But otherwise, this doesn't make any sense.
What are you doing?
My pillow, you're wasting a lot of money.
dan friesen
He must be making a lot too, though.
jordan holmes
He must be.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But they don't make any sense.
They're all magic.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
But also, when you consider, I mean, not, you know, this guy, the My Pillow guy, is out there, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I can see that.
dan friesen
He's the kind of person, basically you listen to him talk for like two minutes and you're like, oh, yeah, I get why you'd make bad business decisions.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
Here he discusses in a rambling way his story of having a prophetic dream about how he was going to meet.
jordan holmes
Why is everybody got dreams all of a sudden?
dan friesen
Everyone.
jordan holmes
I'm sick of dreams.
dan friesen
So he has a dream about how he's going to meet Trump.
And then he does.
And look, and also I want to say really quick, he talks a bunch about how he's a recovering crack addict, and I'm not beating up on that.
I'm not making fun of that at all.
It's just sort of background dressing to this story that's important.
mike lindell
I got up to 2015 and I had a dream.
I get these dreams, these prophetic dreams.
And one of them was that I would meet Donald Trump in a room.
And I'm going, why would I be meeting with Donald Trump?
It's a root and a sex addict or whatever.
I was just some guy from Minnesota, right?
Well, buying appointments kept happening to me.
I was invited to the national prayer breakfast when Ben Carson was still running for president.
jordan holmes
What happened to him?
mike lindell
I was randomly picked out of 12 people to pray with him in a room.
And I wasn't even saved yet.
I'm going to go and I don't know how to pray.
I don't know.
I was all nervous.
But that was set up by God, you know.
And then these things kept happening to the summer of 2016.
And I'm on a plane to California.
And I'm sitting in the bulkhead.
And I opened this magazine that was about Donald Trump.
And I said, you know, of course, this was August or the late July of 2016.
And I said, God, my favorite part of the story.
I struggle to remember Donald Trump and be part of this.
Whatever's going on in our country, I need to know right now.
And at that moment in time, my phone dinged and it was an email.
Mike, this is Donald Trump.
Will you meet me in New York City at Trump Tower in New York?
I go, God.
dan friesen
I don't believe that story.
jordan holmes
I don't believe a word of that bullshit.
Not for one second.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm not buying it.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But it's fun, and the crowd will like it.
Yeah, I just, this story is, I just was listening to this.
I'm like, hey, man, is this a Jesse Ventura character?
jordan holmes
It kind of feels fucking.
dan friesen
This is Minnesota stuff, man.
unidentified
No, that's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
These dudes sound like Minnesota.
It must be.
They sound almost exactly the same.
So many vocal similarities.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
That's fair.
I don't know.
We need to move the pressure now back onto religious people.
You know, it used to be that when you were shitting on religion, that was like, that was often discriminatory or being mean.
Now we've got to push the responsibility back on there.
Religious people, if you don't want to be made fun of, don't listen to the My Pillow Guy.
That's on you now.
dan friesen
But the problem is he has so much money.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
See, that's still on you.
All religion jokes are fine.
They are non-discriminatory until the majority of religious people are like, let's not do my pillow guy.
dan friesen
I don't agree.
I don't agree with that axiom.
I don't believe it.
I agree with that.
But the issue comes down to like religion is fine, but this isn't about religion.
This is about wanting a Christian nation.
And my pillow guy is pretty clear about that.
mike lindell
This has been a spiritual battle in our country for decades.
This is a spiritual battle, and we are in the we're going to, this is the start of the greatest revival in history for one nation under God, and that God is Jesus.
Amen.
God bless you all.
jordan holmes
Jesus wouldn't even say he was God.
mike lindell
And we're going to look back and we're going to say it all had to happen in the name of Jesus.
God bless you.
eric metaxas
Wow.
Hallelujah.
I love you, Mikey.
You know, you want to know a miracle of God?
He went 60 seconds short.
dan friesen
Ha ha.
Good joke.
Whoa, boy.
jordan holmes
That guy is killing it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, almost everything that Mike is saying, My Pillow Guy is saying, is like, okay, yeah.
If that was just at a church revival or something like that, I don't think I'd have any issue with it.
Like, there's an awakening coming, and, you know, like, God is, you know, so important in our life.
The problem is, this is a political rally.
You know, I know it's of a religious character, but like the reason you're having this rally is because Trump lost an election.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're not having this because of like a no, no, no, he had a prophetic dream.
dan friesen
It's the combination of the two that's just fucking, it's terrifying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think probably one of the reasons that I would have an easier time like suggesting that this was, I suppose non-religious is just because I know too much about how Christianity is supposed to work according to that book they say they like a lot.
dan friesen
I've read a little bit of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know too much about it.
And all of this stuff is like, we're Christians and we want a Christian nation.
And I'm like, have you motherfuckers even opened it?
dan friesen
And also, here's a promo code from My Pillow.
Exactly.
jordan holmes
It exists.
Fuck exactly.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the thing that makes me even more scared, really, when I think about it is that, you know, there's this combination of this stuff, this Christian nationalism.
And then it's also intersecting with this deification, admiration, and just love of not only Trump, but also General Flynn.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Who is somebody who's a hero of the QAnon folk and has been QE himself?
And here, Eric Metaxas teases Flynn's appearance.
eric metaxas
In a little bit, we have General Michael Flynn is coming.
Oh, oh, then you've heard of him.
Oh, I'm so impressed.
Very good.
You guys, that's awesome.
He is such a hero.
He has been through such hell.
He's a patriot.
He believes in the Lord of the Bible.
All right.
A lot of the people of the Senate of this administration love Jesus.
Don't you find that ironic?
dan friesen
I don't know what he's even saying.
jordan holmes
I don't know what that's supposed to mean at all.
dan friesen
No, but that's the you asked for like, why is he a hero?
And then Metaxas told you, because he believes in the God of the Bible.
jordan holmes
I really don't feel like that's enough.
dan friesen
I mean, that's what they're saying.
jordan holmes
I think another problem I have is that they are cheering for thoroughly fictitious people.
dan friesen
Flynn, the imaginary Flynn?
jordan holmes
Yeah, the imaginary Flynn is who they are cheering for.
Michael Flynn has no resemblance to that character whatsoever.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's a shitbag from way before he knew his history.
dan friesen
If I were him, I would lean into the fan fiction too.
jordan holmes
Way more than way more than fan fiction.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Your actual track record is fucking evil.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So now Metaxas brings out Rob Weaver and Irina Grossu, who are the evangelical and the Catholic dreamers.
And Rob, I would say his description of this vision that he had is a little bit lackluster.
unidentified
This event will be going on for the next few hours.
Lots of speakers, more music.
But I want to tell you about how it started.
On November 5th, I was really troubled by the election and what I knew was wrong.
I think everybody in this country knows that something is wrong.
Can I get an amen, anyone?
So I just called out to God and I literally felt something pushing in my side in the morning.
Quite frankly, I thought it was a remote, but it wasn't.
Something was pushing.
I heard a voice that said, it's not over.
So can I hear it's not over?
Because God said it's not over.
And when?
And the next part of the vision, I sat down and I literally saw this.
And I saw marches going around the Capitol.
I saw marches going around all six of the swing states that are also going on today.
So hello, if you guys can hear us there.
So every one of them, let's give him a shout.
Woo!
So this was birthed from a vision or a miracle.
dan friesen
That's not much of a vision.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So does that mean that God was poking him?
Well, does that mean that for, like, say, the women's march, was that inspired by God?
dan friesen
Must have been.
jordan holmes
Or did the devil send that dream?
Devil, probably.
Are God and the devil only sending competing dreams for rallies and shit?
dan friesen
The devil's clearly a better organizer too because the turnouts have been much larger to the point where these MAGA folk will just post pictures of left marches.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does seem strange.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They should get in contact with the devil.
He knows it's up.
dan friesen
Yeah, he has a good street team.
Yeah.
So Rob and Irina are just there and they had their vision.
Hooray.
Good for them.
jordan holmes
I had a dream of people walking around D.C., which could never have been given to me from any other source other than God.
dan friesen
And he got poked.
So that's true.
Then they have a prayer.
There's a lot of praying on this.
jordan holmes
That I believe.
dan friesen
A lot of people, through both of these rallies, everybody wants to get up there and do the Lord's prayer.
jordan holmes
Got to do a good prayer.
You know, like how in the book it said, make sure that you pray loudly and performatively for others and not for God.
dan friesen
It reminds me of like, okay, so like in early times in wrestling, you didn't want in your first match someone to go through a table, let's say.
Because then if you want to do that in the headline, exactly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I feel like everybody is not respecting that in terms of the Lord's Prayer.
Like everyone's doing it.
Yeah.
But everyone wants to.
jordan holmes
Can you?
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's just, it feels less.
jordan holmes
Save your Lord's Prayer for the End of the Show.
dan friesen
Right.
Or Flynn.
I mean, he's clearly the headliner.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's his to do or not do.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Anyway, they pray, and we get a prayer that Steve Pieczenik would be very proud of.
And then the stage gets interrupted.
unidentified
Father, I pray a special blessing on Melania Trump, one of the best first ladies we've ever had in history.
And I'm so tired of people coming against her, Father.
So go on herself, I pray, and her children.
And all.
Amen.
Anything else?
Thank you guys.
Actually, we want to introduce Ollie Alexander from Stop the Still.
dan friesen
So, Allie had sort of walked out on stage at the end of their prayer.
jordan holmes
See, the devil's a way better organizer.
dan friesen
So, Allie walks out along with Ed Martin of the Phyllis Schlafly Eagle Forum.
Great.
And they are apparently partnered with the Jericho March.
And that's kind of interesting.
Because Allie starts talking about, like, you know, hey, we got a lot of fun things coming up.
We got General Flynn.
And he says something that really struck my ears.
ali alexander
Today is going to be historic.
We have General Flynn.
We'll have the President in the Sky or on the Road.
And we got a couple other characters in a spirit of unification.
Thank y'all.
dan friesen
Got a couple other characters in the spirit of unification.
That's very strange.
Also, the President's in the Sky.
They have been promoting that Trump flyover in Marine One.
Great.
And I think he does show up during Flynn's speech.
Maybe.
I don't know.
There was a helicopter flying over at some point.
jordan holmes
Straight up.
We're doing straight up fascist Nazi immediate.
dan friesen
I honestly don't know if Trump was even in it.
jordan holmes
No, I doubt he was.
ali alexander
Why would you?
dan friesen
You wouldn't need to be.
jordan holmes
You don't need to be.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They'll just see the helicopter and be like, yeah, the president's in there.
Why would you actually?
dan friesen
He's a symbol of president.
jordan holmes
What is he going to wave out the helicopter window?
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
So Ed Martin of the Eagle Forum.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
The Schlafly Eagles.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah, yeah.
He wants Schlaffley.
dan friesen
While he's up on stage, he's a magnanimous type.
ali alexander
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
And he wants to give it up to the good media.
unidentified
Oh.
ed martin
Hey, guys, we're going to, right now, I'd ask you to join me in prayer if you don't mind.
Before we do, I want to say thank you to the Epic Times for helping stream so much of this live.
Josh.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
ed martin
And RSBN, the brothers at RSBN, brothers and sisters, thank you for what you do to make it so people, yeah, and Victory TV and Want America News.
I may go down the list, right?
And I just want to say, when we gathered at the Capitol the other day around the world, in Japan, in China, and Taiwan, around the world, they're looking at America because we're a beacon on the hill.
And we can't let the light go out.
There cannot be the light going out for the world and for each other.
Let's pray.
dan friesen
One name.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Conspicuous in its absence on that list.
Especially considering this dude standing right next to Ali Alexander, who's constantly on InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Oh, all these great media outlets really doing everything for us.
I can't get to them all.
I'm going to name as many as I can.
Epic is great.
What America News?
Look, I'm running out of time.
I can't name anymore.
I just want to say, you know, yeah.
dan friesen
So, look, they may not plug InfoWars, but they are willing to let Alex give a little speech.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so at this point, the Mission Impossible theme plays.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
eric metaxas
Here it comes.
Folks, in the spirit of unity, I'd like to bring out my new friend, Alex Jones, is it?
I think his name is Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I can't believe that many people cheer for him.
You know?
unidentified
Yeah!
jordan holmes
See, this makes sense, though.
dan friesen
It does.
jordan holmes
Like, as a wrestling, this is a wrestling show.
This is what you want.
unidentified
You bring Alexander here to be like, yeah, that's what you want.
dan friesen
And that's why people are cheering.
He is a star.
jordan holmes
He's a show, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You want to hear Rob and Irina Grossu talk about their lackluster dream?
jordan holmes
I had a dream that people would be here.
dan friesen
How excited are you going to get for the My Pillow guy telling a long story about his dream?
jordan holmes
I think it was.
I think it was December 20th, 19.
No, this was November 11th.
unidentified
No, this is December 20th at 4.50 p.m.
dan friesen
Eric Metaxas is a good host or whatever to keep the thing moving along, but he's not going to get you riled up.
No.
Alex fucking Jones is.
jordan holmes
That's what he's going to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what he's there for.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
Now, it's embarrassing.
jordan holmes
Very.
dan friesen
Your rally.
Your rally is now the one that allowed Alex to speak at it.
So congratulations for that.
Yep.
But Alex does what Alex does, and that is more or less just yell his ass off about nonsense.
jordan holmes
Like what they want.
dan friesen
Applause line.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Applause line.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Applause line.
alex jones
And Jesus Christ is king.
Not David Rockefeller, not Bill Gates, not Barack Obama, not Joe Biden, but Jesus Christ is king.
And God gave us and rose up Donald Trump to stand against the enemy and draw out the enemy.
So as dark as some of these days are, understand this is the beginning of the great revival before the Antichrist comes.
dan friesen
Two quick points.
jordan holmes
That's not how it works in the Bible.
dan friesen
Two quick points.
I thought Obama was the Antichrist.
Yeah, Alex.
And the second point, I believe on our last episode, he was calling Marilyn Monroe a cum dump.
jordan holmes
Yes, he was doing that.
dan friesen
Where are we?
jordan holmes
There's a little bit going on.
What are we doing?
I like the idea of Jesus standing next to Alex Jones, giving him that.
unidentified
Hey, but I'm about peace.
jordan holmes
I was going to feed all these people.
Okay, well, let's just skip past that part then.
Let's just get to the book of Revelation.
Do you realize there isn't a revival before Jesus?
No.
dan friesen
Do you understand?
alex jones
No one's going to be able to do that.
jordan holmes
I'm even going to blow your mind a little bit more.
Jesus.
unidentified
Jesus.
dan friesen
No one's going to clap for that weak shit.
jordan holmes
Did you know that the Antichrist convinces almost all Christians to believe in him over?
It's actually almost like, so they would focus on like a single person instead of the Lord and really be like, this person is the true leader, and we're going to give all of our allegiances to him without thinking about it.
And then because of the.
dan friesen
You sound like a damn globalist.
jordan holmes
Do you know what?
You're right.
I'm going to have to go.
dan friesen
So it turns out we're in Revelation according to Alex.
And again, this is all just applause lines.
alex jones
World government, implantable microchips.
Satanism, it's out of the open.
The Bible is fulfilled.
Revelation is fulfilled.
Jesus Christ is fulfilled.
unidentified
Where?
alex jones
God Almighty is in charge.
jordan holmes
Why?
alex jones
We file that mighty God.
jordan holmes
Sissu!
alex jones
You look at the miserable globalist.
You look at people like Bill Gates.
And you look at people like Mark Zuckerberg and the rest of them.
jordan holmes
Nice.
alex jones
They are miserable slaves of Satan.
And we pray for them and hope that the Holy Spirit can still touch their soul.
dan friesen
Like, this is embarrassing, but you get why people enjoy this.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, you know, this is great.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's incredibly dumb.
This is what it's exciting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He at least has star quality.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Whatever it is.
But you can also tell if you watch this that it really takes a lot out of him.
Like, you can tell that, like, he's pushing to get all this yelling going.
jordan holmes
His voice is exhausted.
This is difficult.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's not a young man anymore.
dan friesen
No, but you gotta do it.
alex jones
We pray for President Donald John Trump in this incredibly serious moment.
And we pray for all the women in America who the system's trying to lie to to kill their babies.
And we say, don't kill your babies.
The enemy has been forced out in the open.
World government is here.
And the system is publicly stealing this election from the biggest landslide and the biggest political realignment since 1776.
dan friesen
I mean, just every single line.
He knows how to frame a sentence in a way that will end with like insight almost.
Not in like a necessarily bad way, but like you see comedians who like you know structuring a line, you know, like, oh, what you're saying is funny, but the way you've written that or the way you're saying that is not funny.
Yeah.
It doesn't lead people to the reaction that you're looking for.
Whereas Alex, every single sentence that he's saying is specifically meant to make people yell at the end of it.
And that's, I mean, don't do this in the middle of your event.
I don't think it's a good idea.
Like, you're going to make everyone else look like trash.
jordan holmes
It's poor, it's poor quality.
dan friesen
Just don't let him on your show at all.
jordan holmes
How is it that I could run a better fucking rally just using the same principles of booking a show, a comedy show?
dan friesen
I bet you couldn't, though, because you'd have no idea who any of these people are.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
I wouldn't have them at my rally.
dan friesen
You'd see a bunch of random names on a list.
Like, what?
I don't know what this person is like.
jordan holmes
I wonder if I could do that.
That would be an interesting challenge.
Give me 10 seconds of each of these people speaking, and I'll see if I can't make a lineup out of them that would make more sense.
dan friesen
That would be a great idea.
jordan holmes
Wouldn't that be a fun game?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I might try and put that together.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun.
dan friesen
All right.
So, anyway, the big problem that I see with all of this, and I'm going to keep stressing this, is the insistence on what you describe as like Christian nationalism and the idea that your God is the only real God.
And, you know, like, just imagining being someone who is not a Christian of this stripe in the audience.
And think about how uncomfortable you'd be.
alex jones
Our God is the God of the universe.
Our God is the God of strength and honor and will.
And God is in control.
And God is on our side.
dan friesen
Because it's not like it's the Jericho March.
And, you know, there is a religious character to it, but it's also partnered with Ali Alexander in Stop the Steal and the Phyllis Schlafly Eagle Forum.
You know, like, it's not just, it's just, it's terrifying.
jordan holmes
I mean, everything that they're saying, though, is screaming out a different form of we cannot coexist.
dan friesen
We will not be coexistent.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's us or nothing.
That's it.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's, there is a, there is, there, and to be fair, so far, the main speakers that we've heard are the My Pillow Guy and Alex.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So that's not, you know, to be indicative of like everybody is unable to coexist.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
These voices that are being welcomed here are fucked.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, but even then, like, the best you could say for so many of these people would be like, hey, hey, we can coexist so long as you stay under my boot.
Then we'll be fine.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So many people who have no idea about anything that has to do with the religion of Christianity think that the crucifixion was a bad thing.
You know, like, oh, no, if only we could have stopped it.
jordan holmes
No, that's not how it works.
dan friesen
No, no.
jordan holmes
It was almost like crucial.
dan friesen
Yeah, no one really thinks that.
You know, it was necessary for the atonement.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It was almost preordained, if you will.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex also understands this.
Okay, good.
He's not one of these guys who would have tackled the Romans or something.
jordan holmes
So Judas is a good guy then.
dan friesen
I don't know.
owen shroyer
Okay.
alex jones
Christ's crucifixion was not our defeat.
It was our greatest victory.
When he rose again on the third day, he broke the chains of hell and death.
We have the deed to this planet.
We have the deed to eternal life.
And we praise Jesus Christ and the Father.
jordan holmes
Wow, that's scary.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's terrifying.
dan friesen
He has the deed to the planet.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's pretty much the most terrifying thing that somebody could scream at me.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex gets into the First Amendment and stuff about freedom of religion.
But he's also gone too fast.
He's burned a lot of gas.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's out of it.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he has a little trouble.
alex jones
Congress shall make no law restablishing the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
jordan holmes
All Congress.
unidentified
All religions.
alex jones
They will make no law.
All respecting the establishment of religion.
All the free exercise thereof.
dan friesen
Establishing.
alex jones
Our forebears did not have separation of church and state as they spin it.
It means the state has no jurisdiction over any of us.
jordan holmes
That's not true.
dan friesen
That's quite an extension of the state has no jurisdiction over any of us.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure they're a conclusion.
I'm pretty sure they weren't like, Congress shall make no law with respect to the free exercise of religion.
But what that actually means is, Christians are free of laws.
We get to live however we want to.
dan friesen
Yeah, if you can just create an excuse that's religiously based in heavy quotes, then the state can't do anything.
Like you can kill for your religion or whatever.
I don't know.
I feel like that's what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Pretty much, yeah.
dan friesen
But also, it's like these thoughts are not fleshed out.
No.
It's just yelling.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and they're for people to scream hooray at.
dan friesen
You bet.
You bet.
And here was Alex's lightning rod that he put out in order to get attention.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
So I don't know who's going to the White House in 38 days, but I sure know this.
Joe Biden is a globalist, and Joe Biden will be removed one way or another.
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
So that was the clip that got the big amount of attention on the internet because people fairly accurately interpret that as a veiled threat towards Joe Biden.
jordan holmes
Oh, why is that?
dan friesen
I get that response, but it's also exactly why Alex said what he said.
It's almost certainly not legally actionable as a threat.
And if the Secret Service end up talking to him about it, that's even better.
jordan holmes
That's super cool for him.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex would love that.
jordan holmes
I got a visit from the Secret Service, so you know that what I said was powerful.
dan friesen
Yep.
They're scared of me.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Honestly, when I heard that, I thought it was pretty tame for Alex.
Considering how up in arms people were, like, there were articles written about it.
I guess it takes on a slightly different character when he's yelling those things in front of a crowd who then cheer.
But if you heard Alex say this and you think that's him crossing a line, all that means is that you never listen to it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, I saw his name in the news and I was like, well, can't check on that.
But if that's what it was for, Dan, I have surprising news for a lot of people.
dan friesen
Yeah, that line there is an attention trap.
That is a trap that people fall into.
And I understand why they do.
And I honestly don't know if the best thing to do is ignore it.
But if you pay attention to it, that gives him free press.
And that's why he implied on a stage that Biden would be removed one way or another.
jordan holmes
I mean, I guess with Alex, the reality is he has nothing to back that threat up with at all.
And all he gets from it is attention for making that threat.
And, you know, I understand why you'd be like, hey, what the fuck is going on here?
But at the same time, it's like, Alex is going, Alex makes money because he says stupid shit like that.
And you go, oh my God, no.
And then we do it all in two months.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, that's kind of the theme of this show.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex slows down a little bit and wants to talk about my man, G-Dubbs, George Washington.
alex jones
Oh.
Our great first president, we literally are here on his farm.
That's where we're at.
George Washington didn't want to be king.
And after he served two terms and set that precedent, he left.
He was a very quiet man and didn't talk about his beliefs, but he was a Christian.
But those that knew him privately knew he knew God controlled battlefields.
God controlled governments.
God controls the gigs.
And all his success was because of his love of God.
dan friesen
So this rally is being held on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. George Washington's farm is now a national landmark called Mount Vernon, which is about 16 miles south and in the state of Virginia.
jordan holmes
Nah, come on now.
dan friesen
As for Washington's religious beliefs, that's actually a matter that even scholars in the field of George Washington studies aren't fully settled on.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Mostly because of what Alex brings up, and he is correct.
Like, Washington was really private about his beliefs.
The point is, Alex can make that claim about Washington, knowing that God runs everything and all this, and the seriousness of his beliefs.
But Alex could never back that up.
He could never prove that.
jordan holmes
Why would you?
dan friesen
Yeah, you just make that claim.
And it's good.
I mean, that's good for him because, like, you know, even if he were talking to a Washington scholar, they would be able to tease out more nuance to his beliefs.
But they wouldn't be able to be like, you're lying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, looking at what they do with a guy who is alive and real and how they've created a false story for him, you know, we have no chance of them not trying to claim the founding fathers said fucking whatever it is they want.
True.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex gets back to talking about how his God is the real God.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
So never forget, we worship the true God that created the universe and all of us.
And the satanic globalists trying to take control of us and trying to play God are fallen and are failed.
And we need to just keep our eyes on Christ and never back down and never surrender.
Woo!
jordan holmes
Keep your eyes on Christ and away from politics like he said.
You remember how he said that?
dan friesen
Also, get ready to overthrow the government.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
I don't recall him being like, render unto Caesar what Caesar's, because we're going to fuck him up later.
dan friesen
So you were making a joke about Jesus standing next to Alex on stage.
He's not there.
jordan holmes
He's not there.
dan friesen
But somebody is.
And that's Owen Schroyer.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
Slight downgrade.
jordan holmes
A little bit down.
A little bit down.
dan friesen
Owen Schroyer is standing there on stage, and Alex hands the mic off to him.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Now listen to this clip.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Listen to this clip of Alex saying, oh, he's going to let Owen talk because it sounds like he's going to do a fucking ad.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He doesn't, but it sounds like he's about to do an ad.
alex jones
I'm going to turn this over to my buddy for two minutes.
My great co-host at Infowars.com, Owen Schoyer.
And then the next great, the next great guess you're coming up here, but remember this.
dan friesen
It really sounds like the next great guest.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
It really sounds like he's about to remember this.
dan friesen
Self prostaguard.
jordan holmes
We are having our Easter sale in December.
dan friesen
So Alex finishes up his stuff before he hands off the baton to Owen.
You know how 666 is the devil's number?
unidentified
Sure, why not?
dan friesen
1776.
That's God's number.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it doesn't sound right.
alex jones
Remember this.
God ordained this republic to stand against the satanic empires, the Nazis and the communists and others.
And so 1776 is God's number of victory over the satanic 1984.
God bless you all.
And I salute you.
Thank you, Jesus.
dan friesen
And that's Alex's speech.
jordan holmes
So important numbers to God.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's a real numbers guy.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
1776 is God's number because the United States was ordained by God to stand up to Nazis.
jordan holmes
Yep, I remember that.
dan friesen
There's a little complexity to that.
jordan holmes
I mean, so what happened then whenever we grabbed all their scientists and didn't, and then weren't like, hey, could you guys quit being Nazi?
And we're just like, ah, you guys are great.
dan friesen
Can you phrase that question in number form?
jordan holmes
1944?
dan friesen
So Owen, he's not great after that because how could you be?
I mean, Alex just yelled the applause line after applause line.
He's worn out the audience for like excitement.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Owen, like, this is so great.
God, what a sad man.
owen shroyer
Boy, look at what we have here today.
What started with one man on public access television is now millions of Americans in the streets of D.C.
dan friesen
So many problems.
jordan holmes
What started with one man on local access television?
dan friesen
He's pretending that Alex did all of this.
Like he created this entire event.
They're only all there for him.
And then he's also saying that there's millions of people there, which there are not.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
There are not.
There are too many.
jordan holmes
Owen, Owen, Owen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
eric metaxas
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So we got to do a little admin at this point.
Eric Metaxas comes out, and he's got to maybe, you know, reset the room a little bit before people got a little bit too excited.
jordan holmes
It's like at the dance hall.
The DJ can only play so many bangers in a row before you got to have one where everybody gets to sit down and maybe slow dance, you know, that kind of thing.
dan friesen
I think people got too excited and they're whipping their flags all around, and it's a problem.
eric metaxas
I've got a little housekeeping.
They said to me that these flags in the front, when there's a speaker, they're blocking the video, and this is being live streamed all over the place.
So if you can just drop the flags whenever the speaker is speaking or the prayer is praying, dropping them means taking them down.
You probably don't realize the term drop means down with the flag.
Could you do that?
Flags.
What is that?
A Korean flag?
Bring that down.
What is that?
A Kung Fu martial arts flag?
Bring that down.
Come on.
Seriously, because we want everybody.
There's a lot of people who couldn't be here.
They're watching this on live stream.
dan friesen
Yeah, so they need to get those flags down.
jordan holmes
That's a weird, that's a weird little bit of just tossed off.
dan friesen
I don't know what's going on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know what that flag he's referring to is.
jordan holmes
And also, there is a Brown station wagon with its horns going off right now.
Could somebody please?
It's a Brown station wagon.
License plate CE9429.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he gets these flags down right in time for the man, the myth, Ali Alexander, to come out and give a little bit of a speech.
unidentified
And he's basically out here saying, hey, man, look, kill.
dan friesen
Now is the time that moral people, moral people, are deciding whether or not this presidency and this government itself is legit.
jordan holmes
Great.
ali alexander
I think that we are making history.
I think that today, today, is when moral Americans are deciding whether our government is legitimate or illegitimate.
I think that this is a signal to the deep state that we're not going to tolerate a Joe Biden presidency.
jordan holmes
We're not going to tolerate it.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he's saying essentially that all of us are going to determine whether or not this is a legitimate government, and the deciding thing will be whether or not Trump is installed again.
And great.
Allie is a little threatening.
There's an interesting thing that I noticed through these two rallies.
The one with the women for Trump is largely not about destroying the GOP.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Allie is threatening the GOP.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
I don't know if every speaker here is interested in destroying the Republican Party, but Allie, who's one of the organizers of this, is definitely open to that discussion.
jordan holmes
I think it's a great discussion to have.
dan friesen
So, not only will he destroy the GOP, he will also shut down all of the cities in this country.
jordan holmes
All of them, Allie.
ali alexander
Our truckers will shut down the city.
jordan holmes
Unionize!
ali alexander
Why isn't anybody's clamp high DC full of patriots here, won't we?
We can do all things through Christ who strengthens us.
So, to my Republican part, my Republican colleagues, put down those flags so that they can stream, please.
Yes, please.
Thank you.
dan friesen
Really hung up on those flags.
jordan holmes
How can you want to be led by such whiners like these people?
dan friesen
Very soft.
jordan holmes
Very soft.
Such whiners.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, Allie, he's going to shut everything down, and he's going to do this with the help of cool media outlets.
ali alexander
Big shout out to RSBN.
unidentified
Whoa!
jordan holmes
RSBUs!
ali alexander
And One America News!
unidentified
One American News!
ali alexander
And News Max!
unidentified
News Max!
ali alexander
That was loud.
Epic time!
jordan holmes
Epic time!
ali alexander
NTD TV!
jordan holmes
Never heard of it!
ali alexander
We don't need Fox News anymore, do we?
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
No InfoWars.
jordan holmes
You just had Alex Joseph in!
dan friesen
You basically work there.
jordan holmes
Why didn't you say InfoWars?
dan friesen
Alex's whole premise is like, no one will say InfoS because we're too dangerous.
You have Allie and you guys.
jordan holmes
You're going to say Infoz because you're too toxic.
dan friesen
That is something that is very consistent.
That is, he is still on the outside, even with this completely wacky media landscape.
So Allie is really thrilled about this guy named Mo Brooks, who apparently has come out.
He's a member of Congress in the House.
And he's said that, hey, look, even if the Electoral College comes back and says, hey, Biden's the president, I'm going to object.
jordan holmes
You got it, man.
You took him down.
dan friesen
Allie is excited.
ali alexander
Thank God for Congressman Mo Brooks.
He has said that he will object to the House certification on January 6th.
And we need some of his colleagues to join him, don't we?
We expect them to join him, don't we?
Or we will throw them out of office.
dan friesen
Good luck.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it doesn't stop there.
The threats against the Republicans who don't support Mo Brooks.
jordan holmes
Threaten them.
ali alexander
So I want to tell the Republican Party that if one of these senators do not join Mo Brooks, we will burn the Republican Party down and we will make something new.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're so threatening.
dan friesen
I mean, look, I would say that that response is a little bit not good that we have.
And that is because, like, well, in 2009, some of this similar rhetoric was flying around at early tea party rallies.
And it would have been very easy.
Like, yes, destroy the Republican Party.
But you see that when that effort happens, it's not like it cripples the party.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It ends up pushing extreme voices closer to the mainstream.
Yeah.
Or the mainstream goes towards the crazy voices, as is more often the case.
And we end up where we are now.
So I don't think that they're going to be capable of doing this, but encouraging this sort of Inner GOP fighting, I don't know if it's great because it does also lead to the possibility of people like Allie or Nick Fuentes or Alex Jones coming into a more relevant position than they would be otherwise.
jordan holmes
I think you're right, presupposing that we do nothing, which is what happened with the Tea Party.
We all sat by and laughed as they fought, and we were like, ha ha ha, let them fight, instead of using this as an opportunity to sabotage both wings and fuck them up together.
Like what we're doing, watching, like, like what they have done so successfully is constantly push a wedge between the left and the center and the Democratic Party.
That's the best thing that the Republicans know how to do is whenever there's the internasing squabbles from the Democrats, the Republicans jump in and start throwing shit at the wall too to see if they can cause more conflagrations in between us.
And every time this happens on the right, the Democrats look back and they're like, well, I bet the reasonable heads shall prevail this time.
And it's insane.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, that does seem to be.
I don't know.
It's tough because I do want to laugh also.
jordan holmes
Yeah, me too.
It's so funny.
dan friesen
I'd like to find a way to use this as a politically useful moment, but also laugh.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, I think that's the challenge.
Like, I feel for these idiots, kind of, in a way.
Not the leaders, I mean the people at the rally.
dan friesen
Yeah, I feel for them.
The people's aunts and uncles and grandparents.
Like, I feel for them.
Sure.
I don't feel for Allie.
jordan holmes
No, no, absolutely not.
No, I mean the people in the rally because they are.
dan friesen
Don't feel for Allie, feel for the rally.
Yes.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, the thing that I want to scream at all of these people is: look, if you want what they are telling you you want to get, then you have to start a shooting war.
Those are your options.
None of this shit that they're selling you is real.
They're wasting your time.
So if you really want to balls up, then start a shooting war or stop going to these dumbass rallies.
dan friesen
The people who are taking the rhetoric that you are digesting seriously are beating up people on the streets.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
That is the unfortunate reality of the rhetoric and what you are acclimating yourself to.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, that would be worthwhile for them to realize.
And the fruition of specifically what this type of rally is about.
Like you get your goals, you end up in a Christian theocracy.
And I don't think that anybody, I don't think most people really actually want that.
jordan holmes
No.
You know all those people who love Christianity and they're super religious, but then they get into those situations where they have to apply it and they're like, well, maybe not this time.
You know what?
I'm still a morally good person, but this time I'm not going to act in this way.
You know, tonight I'm going to go out and get drunk and I'm going to have a really good night.
And instead, in a Christian theocracy, you're fucking killed for it.
You know, like it's that kind of thing.
dan friesen
Let's say you're a pastor and you marry, you know, you're already married and then you end up banging around with the secretary of the church.
And then under a theocracy, stone him.
You will not do as well as you do under a liberal republic.
jordan holmes
A little bit different.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know how rich Christians still seem to get all the abortions that they want to get?
dan friesen
It is weird.
jordan holmes
It is weird.
dan friesen
So Allie Alexander, he thinks he's a mastermind.
And I got to say, this next clip just sounds like he thinks he's a bond villain.
And he's coming out to this rally and like, here is our grand plan.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
So he's role-playing it.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a little cringy.
ali alexander
So the plan in January is to start organizing y'all.
We're going to go into the county parties.
We're going to go into the district parties.
And we are going to go to the state conventions of the Republican Party, and we're taking over all 50 states.
We are going to work with the Jericho March.
We are going to work with Alex Jones.
We are going to work with anyone who will work with us, aren't we?
And let me just tell you how deep this goes, because I've been in this business for 14 years, and finally the movement has a strategist.
I sat across, and I'm not going to say his name, a state party chair, and I said, hey, buddy, we've known each other for 12 years.
You're up for re-election in May.
I'm going to flood your state convention.
And then after we take over all of the positions, we're then going to call a quorum and then we're going to impeach the rest of the officers, aren't we?
I'm a dangerous black man who knows Robert's rules of order.
dan friesen
Wow.
ali alexander
So the Republican Party, I just want them to hear this message.
Look at this crowd.
We are the people that you must represent, or we're going to replace you with patriots.
jordan holmes
That's called voting.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think he's basically.
jordan holmes
Did he just discover voting?
dan friesen
I think he discovered community organizing.
jordan holmes
I think so.
dan friesen
The thing that they have decried the left doing.
jordan holmes
I hate it so much because it's cheating.
dan friesen
Focusing on local politics.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Oh, scary.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
See, this is why it's hard to take Alex's threats seriously.
Like, we're going to kill Joe Biden immediately following.
Like, what we're going to do is we're going to go to a quarum.
Quarums for everyone.
What are we talking about?
dan friesen
I know Robert's rules of order.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you what?
God damn it.
dan friesen
I bet he doesn't.
jordan holmes
I'm going to follow Patton into battle if he gives a speech like, Robert's rules of order are dangerous in the wrong hands.
dan friesen
Patton is actually on my mind quite a bit throughout this.
And I think it's probably because General Flynn, I watched him give the same speech twice.
I just kept thinking, like, this is not Patton.
Yeah.
This is bad.
jordan holmes
That's what I keep hearing.
When you hear nationalist propaganda, you want it to be Patton, right?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, that's what Alex is trying to be.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And a lot of these people are just absolutely whiffing.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
And granted, they're still bad and scary, but anyway, Allie ends his speech by talking a little bit about how God is giving him signs.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This is upsetting.
ali alexander
The last thing I'll say, and I'll probably be back up on stage later, is that we have God's favor.
One day I'm going to tell you guys all the stories, but this sun coming out like this, this is God.
He has gone ahead of us.
I have been to 10 different states and it's not rained once.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out.
ali alexander
God be the glory.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out.
No.
No.
dan friesen
I've been to.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
Have you ever been to 10 states and it didn't rain once?
Can you say that?
jordan holmes
I guess I can't.
Or maybe I can.
I don't know.
Does flying count?
What if I flew over 10 states and it didn't rain once?
Does that count?
dan friesen
Were you above the rules?
jordan holmes
What counts?
God damn it.
This is how I feel every time somebody tells me about ghosts.
Every time somebody's like, oh, you don't believe in ghosts?
I've got a ghost story.
I'm like, tell me about how the sun shined for 10 states.
Fuck you.
dan friesen
It didn't rain.
jordan holmes
God, it's a ghost.
dan friesen
Didn't rain.
Didn't rain.
jordan holmes
Oh, ghosts are real.
dan friesen
Sure.
Didn't rain.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
ali alexander
All right.
jordan holmes
All right, reverse Douglas Adams, rain god.
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
So after Allie gets done, they have another speaker, and this is a guy by the name of Leon Benjamin.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Who's a bishop?
But I should also tell you that this year.
jordan holmes
A bishop if what?
dan friesen
At a church.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
This year he also lost the race for the 4th District of Virginia seat in the House, House of Representatives.
That's a bummer.
Also, probably would have lost in the primary, like all the ding-dongs that we talk about on this show, but he ran unopposed until the general election.
And he lost by quite a margin.
jordan holmes
Quite a margin.
dan friesen
Quite a margin.
What are you saying?
38 to 61.
jordan holmes
38 to 61?
That's not as big a margin as I would hope.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It never is.
dan friesen
It's still pretty big.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is still pretty big, but it's never big enough.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Eric Metaxas brings Bishop Leon Benjamin up.
And man, I got to say, I thought that maybe this was a racist event.
But man, this cleared it up.
eric metaxas
I heard, I keep hearing that we're all racists.
And yet every now and again, I bump into a black man at these events.
What is happening?
What is happening?
jordan holmes
Every now and again.
eric metaxas
Isn't that supposed to be the narrative?
What are you talking about?
Aren't we supposed to be all about white nationalism?
I keep reading that, and you're screwing that up.
This is Bishop Leon Benjamin.
He's got a show far.
At the end of what he says, he's going to play the flight of the bumblebee.
Don't miss it.
dan friesen
Another bad joke.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, they're not racist.
That's cool.
Anyway, Leonardo.
jordan holmes
Did he just make a minstrel joke while saying he wasn't being racist?
dan friesen
It might be on the cusp, but I'm not entirely sure.
So Leon is really into Christian nationalism.
unidentified
There are walls that must come down.
This is history.
Today is December 12th, 12, the number for government.
That means a fresh anointing is about to come on this nation.
jordan holmes
Twelve is the number for government.
unidentified
There's an anointing that we have never felt before.
An anointing we have never seen before.
Jesus is the lion of the tribe of Judah.
And he will rule in America.
jordan holmes
Man.
Man.
White nationalists just really miss out on a lot of great black preachers.
So it's nice that they get this one.
dan friesen
Well, that's the real message of Christian nationalism.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I guess.
dan friesen
Exclusive of different.
jordan holmes
Still get a few good talkers here and there.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I know that we've heard a lot about wiitches over the course of the time of doing this show.
jordan holmes
They're fucking everywhere.
dan friesen
It's true.
But we've not really gotten any good advice about what to do about them.
eric metaxas
That's true.
dan friesen
How do you talk to a wiitch?
unidentified
How do you deal with witches?
This is what I learned about witchcraft.
You got to tell a witch, you got to look them right in the eye and says, I'm coming after you.
This is your last day.
This is your last time.
Every curse you cursed against our president and against our nation is going to double fold back on your head.
dan friesen
You have to be direct with witches.
You understand?
That's the advice.
jordan holmes
I'm just, all I'm thinking is Wizard of Oz, Dorothy wakes up, Glenda the Good Witch shows up and she's just like, you get the fuck out of my face.
I will come and kill you.
dan friesen
You listen to me.
unidentified
I'm going back to Kansas.
dan friesen
That's how you deal with witches.
jordan holmes
That's how you deal with witches.
dan friesen
So Leon scares the hell out of me, quite frankly, because he says stuff like this.
unidentified
But when you shout, just understand, you're shouting for not only this generation, but you're shouting a legacy for the next generation.
Because the demons we kill now, our children will not have to fight these devils.
These are our devils, and we will kill them now.
They will not fight our children.
dan friesen
Just man.
Understand that there's some like rhetorical license that you're not maybe intending to talk about killing humans and your political enemies, but you're at a political rally and you're talking about these demons and these devils that we're up against.
And the conversation very easily, it could be understood as people who wear black and are like you think they're in Antifa.
Maybe someone at a Black Lives Matter rally.
Maybe these are the demons that you don't want your children to have.
jordan holmes
Everyone you get rid of is one your children doesn't have to fight.
dan friesen
Right.
I don't think that you could make a legally reasonable case that this is somebody threatening or inciting people to kill other people.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But it's reckless.
It's recklessly expressed ideas.
And I can't.
jordan holmes
That's a great speech if it's 1977 and you're talking about climate change.
dan friesen
Every bit of greenhouse gas that we get rid of is one that our kids don't have to deal with.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
If you kind of put it that way.
jordan holmes
Then it makes great sense.
It's a good thing to do, in fact.
dan friesen
Somewhat.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex Jones gave his speech, and then a little video came out of him backstage.
Oh, yeah.
He ran into General Flynn.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
And this is really, really funny.
jordan holmes
I had some words.
dan friesen
I recommend people go find this video since we're an audio podcast.
We'll play the audio and then I'll explain what happened.
unidentified
Crazy day, huh?
It isn't crazy.
jordan holmes
You scared.
We're going to win.
alex jones
Don't get scared.
That's funny, man.
dan friesen
General Flynn did not want to talk to Alex at all.
jordan holmes
I don't know why.
dan friesen
Alex comes up and he's like, crazy day.
And General Flynn does not turn to him.
He kind of like turns his head, but not his body.
He's like, yeah, it is a crazy day.
He's like, oh, we're going to win.
And then he's like, are you scared?
You scared?
And Flynn's like, what?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's like, are you scared to shake my hand?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then Alex kind of gets this like, someone else kind of walks up and Alex gets the sense of like, I got to leave.
jordan holmes
Oh, wow.
dan friesen
And so he walks off.
And the camera pans over, and Owen Schroyer's standing a ways back.
jordan holmes
So there's the reveal of Owen Schroyer.
He's just in the corner watching.
dan friesen
Yeah, like keeping his distance because he knows like, ah, this is going to go.
jordan holmes
This isn't for me.
I'm not supposed to be there.
dan friesen
And then Alex tries to save face with like, ah, you guys are funny.
No.
Flynn either knows who you are and doesn't want to be associated with you or has no idea who you are.
unidentified
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Either way, it does not work well for his brand.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You should not meet your heroes that you created fictional versions of, assuming that the fictional version will greet you warmly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's an issue.
dan friesen
So Flynn, he gives a speech, gets up at this Jericho rally.
And man, what a fucking beginning to this speech.
Just awe-inspiring.
michael flynn
You know, I was going to end with a prayer, but maybe we'll start with a prayer.
This sounds planned.
I told Mike Lindell as he was walking and we bumped into each other.
I actually had the first good sleep of my life last night.
unidentified
So Michael.com.
michael flynn
I'll give him a commercial.
dan friesen
Mike fucking Flynn starts his speech with a plug for my pillow.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
He must be throwing around cash.
My pillow guy.
jordan holmes
On this our St. Christmas Day.
I must remind you, we happy few.
dan friesen
How much fucking money is that guy making?
jordan holmes
There is a 5% discount.
Did he find straw beds when we return home heroes?
dan friesen
Did he find like a cache of Kruegerands or something?
Did he find pirate gold?
unidentified
How is he throwing around all this money with a pillow company?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
But Flynn's got that pillow cache.
dan friesen
God.
Anyway, so I know in Dune, I know people love Dune talk.
jordan holmes
They love Dune talk.
dan friesen
They love it.
The mind fear is the mind killer.
jordan holmes
Fear is the mind killer.
dan friesen
Is that correct?
jordan holmes
It is correct.
dan friesen
Tell me a little bit about this.
jordan holmes
Fear is the mind killer.
It is the little death that.
Man, now that I'm.
dan friesen
But Deep Moore is an orgasm.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
Fear is that.
No, it's part of the litany against fear, Dan.
It's something that the Bene Gesserit teach you to say whenever you're doing Muad Deep.
Muad Deep did learn the litany against fear and used it many a time in order to calm himself and bring himself into a bora state.
dan friesen
How does this relate to Duncan, Idaho?
jordan holmes
Duncan, Idaho learned the litany against fear.
His mother was a Bene Gesserit.
Okay.
And so he was aware of all of that stuff.
However, he was never trained in the ways of the Bene Gesserit because men children were not allowed.
Only the Kwisatz Had Rock, Dan.
dan friesen
Good, good.
And were sandworms, Bene Gesserits.
jordan holmes
Sandworms are not Bene Gesserits.
They were actually God Himself.
Shaihalud.
dan friesen
Fear is the mind killer.
jordan holmes
Fear is the mind killer.
dan friesen
Sandworm, body killer.
jordan holmes
Sandworms kill everybody, but they are also God.
They are also the devil, Shaitan.
dan friesen
I got this.
I wanted to just discuss this a little bit because as Mike Flynn was talking, I was like, are you going to get into he's talking about fear?
I was like, oh, is he going to say that fear is the mind killer?
He's very close.
This is very close.
jordan holmes
I want him to do it.
michael flynn
In our minds, in our minds, that's where we find fear.
Because fear is a mental thing.
It's something that you have in your minds.
And you fear things because your mind says, I'm afraid of that, or I'm afraid of this.
But it's in our hearts.
It's in our hearts where we truly know what is right.
Because in our hearts, that's where we differentiate between good and bad.
Right?
Where we differentiate between darkness and light.
And we know that.
We know that in our heart.
It's that gut feeling, but it's actually your heart.
It's your heart talking to you.
Not in your mind, because your mind's going to say, I'm afraid.
dan friesen
So fear is the mind killer.
Trust your gut because your weird feelings are actually your heart, which is clearer because your heart is free of fear.
jordan holmes
The only thing we have to fear is fear because it comes from inside you, but it's also part of your heart and you can't listen to it, but it's not part of your heart because it's what you're afraid of and it's in your head.
And fear is what we fear the most itself.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Patton.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Now, a lot of great speakers in history.
Not one of them.
dan friesen
No.
I realized as he was speaking that I don't think I've ever heard like a full speech of his.
Me neither.
And I found it underwhelming.
jordan holmes
I've found that to be incredibly terrible.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So one thing I'm afraid of is helicopters.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That's not actually true, but it's a good segue.
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
Because while Flynn is.
jordan holmes
One thing I'm afraid of is segues.
dan friesen
Oh, well, we're both terrified.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
While Flynn is on stage, that's when the flyover happens.
And this is just depressing.
michael flynn
Imagine being able to just jump in a helicopter and go for a joyride around Washington, T.C.
I love it.
I love the fact that he does that.
That's what he does because he knows, he knows that the people that he can trust are people that he's never met.
And that's you.
I mean, he's never met.
Look at the millions and millions of people, right?
He trusts you.
He trusts you because he knows you know what's going on, and you will not allow what's happening to happen in our country.
None of us will.
It's just not going to happen.
I will tell you one more time because I've been asked on a scale of one to 10, who will be the next president of the United States?
And I say, Donald Trump, 10, a 10.
dan friesen
You know, that moment there where he's like, first of all, the idea that Trump can trust you, people who he doesn't know, is very sad.
jordan holmes
So sad.
dan friesen
But when Flynn is like, he trusts you because you're the ones who know what's going on, you're not going to let what's happening happen.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Makes me think of that Andy Daly character who's like the stand-up comic who says nothing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, what else is in the news?
jordan holmes
Yeah, can you believe this?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Another?
dan friesen
I mean, come on.
jordan holmes
What is going on with one of these?
dan friesen
What's with this?
jordan holmes
Come on.
I mean, not when I was.
dan friesen
Not if I have anything to say about that.
jordan holmes
When this goes down.
Oh, boy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Drop trust too because you know what's going on and you're not going to let what happens happen.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Just fucking say that you wanted everyone to incite an installing of an unelected president.
jordan holmes
It just punctures so much of that.
Like it is, it is one of those things that you don't really, it doesn't always hit you until it does, like, how much you've been fucked up by movies and TV and culture and all that shit.
Because you just hear General and you see his military record and all of these war, like all of this shit.
And he rose to this high rank and you're like, that's the fucking guy?
dan friesen
Yeah, you kind of think of no nonsense, stern sort of men of few words.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Stiff upper lip kind of, yeah, and that's not the bribe Flynn gives.
jordan holmes
Actually, he's the brown-nosing toady who politically politicked his way up into the military high ranks.
He's a fucking dick.
dan friesen
There's another guy who's like from Vets for Trump who gives a speech that is fairly uneventful, and I don't have any clips of it, but he was far more like what you're talking about, what you would expect.
Like a guy who's like, oh, you're terrified.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're dark.
You're dark.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're a dark.
He's like an archetype of someone who's seen some shit.
So this, I gotta say, the Jericho rally drags at this point.
jordan holmes
I believe it.
dan friesen
And I'm done with it.
We're not going to talk about any more of it because it just ends up deteriorating into a thing where, like, there's a guy from Bikers for Trump, and he ends up talking about how they formed this group, right?
They formed this group because they wanted to stop Antifa from throwing dog poop at Trump supporters who are waiting in line to get into events.
jordan holmes
You said that in front of people.
dan friesen
Yeah, he said that in an interview on the TV.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
There's also some more religious weirdos, and you know, just, I just, I lost it.
I couldn't.
I mean, there was also a couple other InfoWars characters, but they were like kind of really adjacent people.
Like Jason Jones, the guy who hosts the fourth hour sometimes.
Like, he was there and he gave an interview.
I was just kind of like, this is too much.
And again, I think the problem is that Alex was kind of early.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It really took so much steam out of him.
None of these other people could reach the heights of that.
I don't know of any actual comedian who talks about laughs per minute.
But I've heard the idea discussed.
And applause lines per minute, Alex just wrecked shop.
Like, no one is going to be able to recover from that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
He scorched Earth it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And so I. Which I imagine he did on purpose, honestly.
Yeah.
Because I've been under, I've been put where I wasn't supposed to go in the lineup before.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And I made it very clear I wasn't supposed to go there.
unidentified
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm going to bury whoever comes up next.
jordan holmes
Bury your headliner so far into the ground.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's going to be brutal.
It's also notable that Alex and Mike Flynn both come out to the Mission Impossible theme.
Like Alex might have stolen Mike Flynn's intro music.
jordan holmes
Now that's that's some petty shit that I'm here for.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
I am here for that pettiness all day.
dan friesen
I think there might be something there.
So I watched a bunch more of this, but I lost my patience for it because, I mean, like, how much, what else are we going to find?
More examples of people saying the exact same Christian nationalist shit.
Who cares?
jordan holmes
God, kill everybody.
We got it.
Moving on.
dan friesen
But there was another rally that day.
And this was the Women for America First rally.
This was being held pretty close nearby around the same time.
There's some particularly fun footage also that's going around on Twitter, which is of Alex trying to bum rush the stage at the Women for Trump rally.
jordan holmes
That sounds like a metaphor I'm able to understand.
dan friesen
Very unsuccessful.
unidentified
Maybe I just got a little bit of a second.
What are you doing?
Let's go.
Trump's not coming.
You're not allowed to be here.
Shut up.
I appreciate you.
We're lost.
We can talk.
jordan holmes
Yes!
unidentified
Yes!
jordan holmes
That is how you get escorted out.
unidentified
I don't know what's going on.
Hey, Alex!
I remember Alex!
I remember.
I received it, Brother Jack.
I don't know what's going on.
jordan holmes
This is a family show, Alex.
dan friesen
My first thought when I watched that was that Alex seems like he's on stimulants.
Like he seems amped the fuck up.
jordan holmes
Red eyes.
dan friesen
Yeah, and like grinding his mouth and like ready to fight with the security guard who won't let him through.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Feels like he clearly thinks he's entitled to get up there and get on stage.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
At an event where the security guard is like, you're not welcome here.
But I think about it and I'm like, well, honestly, he probably is coming over there right after he yelled at the other crowd.
jordan holmes
I would assume he was welcome.
dan friesen
He was jacked as fuck off the adrenaline of that.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Maybe also some stimulants.
jordan holmes
Who knows?
dan friesen
Why not?
jordan holmes
He's an older man.
dan friesen
Yeah, so there he got shut down from going to the Women for America First rally.
jordan holmes
And you can tell that censorship.
dan friesen
You can tell that that's that rally because you can hear the guy in the background talking about the March for Trump, which was the bus tour that led to and culminated with this Women for Trump America First rally.
jordan holmes
I didn't hear him whining about flags either, so I assumed it was a.
dan friesen
Wait for him.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
So this rally was a much, it's much less relevant to our focus since there's less direct InfoWars connections.
Alex wasn't allowed at this one.
He was allowed at the other show.
They even let Owen Schroyer on stage.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's weird.
dan friesen
Allie Alexander was one of the organizers of the Jericho rally.
And like I said, there were a couple other InfoWars people that you could find hanging around.
In contrast, this Women for America First rally felt like people who were a bit more interested in being taken seriously.
The thing that I take issue with is that I can only find two real differences between them.
One is that Alex was not allowed at the Women for America First one, and they also seem to mention political issues a little more than the Jericho one.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
That was pretty solidly focused on demanding Christian nationalism.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Whereas this one is hiding a little bit in conservative politics.
jordan holmes
Big difference between the middle and far-right wings of the Republican Party.
dan friesen
And desperately trying to appear somewhat credible with their booking choices.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So they have like Katrina Pearson and Seb Gorka.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Very credible.
dan friesen
Well, comparatively.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I mean, I guess.
I guess they're bigger names, maybe.
dan friesen
Like, Sebastian Gorka has a show that's syndicated.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's fair.
dan friesen
Alex is on Genesis Communications.
jordan holmes
Still amazing to me that Seb Gorka is just allowed to roam free.
dan friesen
It is.
And shockingly, I texted you about this last night.
I texted you that he seems like a character, like a sketch character.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I had not also heard much Sebastian Gorka, except for maybe like little clips or honestly, a Domian doing an impression of him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've only heard what you've played for me.
dan friesen
I honestly honestly felt like watching that.
I was like, Sebastian Gorka's leaning into the bit.
It felt like he was becoming the parodies of himself.
jordan holmes
That sounds good.
dan friesen
Or maybe the parodies are just that good that they really nail it because he seems like a farce of a person.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, whenever your front lines are run by a hair-dye bleeding Rudy Giuliani in front of a landscaping company, your parodies are going to be just straight impressions.
dan friesen
Rudy is the guy who hits the barbed wire.
So, Jordan, I'd originally intended that we would cover the entire rally of the Women for America First, just like the Jericho one.
But the more I thought about it, the less that seemed compatible with my goal of creating a decent show that people can enjoy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we could have just done rallies that were terrible.
dan friesen
Mike Flynn and the My Pillow Guy basically give the exact same speeches at both rallies, and the whole thing just drags on way too long, much like the other one, with people just basically saying nothing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it's really, it's really vapid.
jordan holmes
Well, it has to be.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They have no actual substance.
dan friesen
It's mostly getting people to chant about loving Trump and, you know, whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's fucking straight-up Nazi shit.
dan friesen
I decided that possibly a better way to approach the Women for America First rally was to hand out some awards, some superlatives.
Okay.
As if this lineup was a bunch of matriculating, graduating seniors in high school.
Love it.
So the first title I'd like to bestow on someone is.
jordan holmes
Most likely to secede?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Not bad.
unidentified
Bad, not bad.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Most confusing breath of fresh air.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
What's up DC?
How was General Flynn, you guys?
Was that amazing or what?
That man and his family have laid it on the line for our country over and over and over again, and we can't show them enough gratitude.
dan friesen
This guy is very clearly drunk.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He looks to be in his late 30s, early 40s, and is wearing what appears to be a red sequin smoking jacket.
jordan holmes
All right, now I like him.
Now I'm back on board.
dan friesen
He's got a beard.
He seems fucking day drunk at like noon or one.
jordan holmes
There, but for the grace of God, go I, Danny.
dan friesen
He is absolutely out of place at this rally.
And as the kids say, I was here for it.
Also, I have no idea who he is.
He never says his name.
jordan holmes
He says his name.
Yes.
unidentified
I don't know who he is.
dan friesen
I tried to find out.
I could not find out.
I looked at the comments of the YouTube video.
I googled lineup of event.
I couldn't find it.
jordan holmes
He was standing next to Alex when the security guard stopped him.
He was like, whoop, I'm going to go all through then.
dan friesen
But unfortunately, like all things we discuss on this show that are kind of fun, he ended up revealing himself to be a piece of shit.
But also, in the same clip that he says something that I was really tickled by: There's three parts to my message.
unidentified
Well armed.
I lost all my guns a tragic boating accident.
jordan holmes
What?
unidentified
What just happened?
jordan holmes
What did you just say to me?
unidentified
Second part.
jordan holmes
No, you stop about that.
I want to know the first part.
unidentified
Something that we have to deal a lot with with the kung flu.
jordan holmes
Oh, come on.
Damn it, man.
dan friesen
Isn't that disappointing?
jordan holmes
Ah, we were doing so good.
We even got a tragic boating accident.
I wasn't expecting that.
dan friesen
I'm not sure if that is a joke.
Or if he actually had a boating accident.
jordan holmes
It could also be.
It could also be.
Why would you say tragic boating accident?
That seems specific.
dan friesen
It's either pretty funny as a joke.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I don't have any guns.
I lost them in a tragic.
jordan holmes
See, now that's something that I would toss off if I was MCing somewhere.
I just be like, ah, I lost them in a tragic boating accident.
Everybody moved on.
dan friesen
Yeah, not a bad throwaway line.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
A little toss.
Also, could be real.
And I want to know the situation.
jordan holmes
It could be real.
unidentified
Why was he specifically just telling me that he lost all of his guns in a tragic?
dan friesen
Either way, I find him to be an engaging presence.
He's got this weird red sequin smoking jacket.
He's fucked up.
Why'd you have to say that fucking racist flu stuff?
jordan holmes
It's a little bit like a racist right-winger played by Kyle Kinnane, you know?
dan friesen
I had no idea what is going on.
I don't know who he is.
He doesn't introduce himself.
No one says.
He's on the TV stream of it.
There's no name on the Chiron.
No idea.
He might have just shown up.
jordan holmes
He might have just wandered on there.
dan friesen
I have no idea.
But while he's on stage, he introduces a person who has the same name as a big celebrity, but does not appear to be that celebrity.
unidentified
You will never stand for it.
And we're going to keep coming back until it's known that our president, the greatest president ever, is where he's supposed to be.
jordan holmes
I fucking love this guy.
He's great.
unidentified
Sure, this was an amazing woman.
I told her I'd keep it brief.
I don't want to get in trouble.
So Jennifer Lawrence, come up and talk to everybody.
dan friesen
It is not Jennifer Lawrence.
jordan holmes
It's not Jennifer Lawrence.
dan friesen
I don't know who this Jennifer Lawrence is either.
I thought maybe if I figured out who she is, that would help me figure out who he is.
It did not.
I still have no idea who anybody is.
jordan holmes
Is this like when that couple crashed a White House party and everybody was like, holy shit, how did they get in there?
dan friesen
If it is, I love it.
So Jennifer Lawrence is unfortunately a Christian nationalist.
jordan holmes
Wow, that sounds good.
unidentified
Those people on that hill over there need to remember that they work for us.
We, the people, we don't work for them.
We answer to God, not government.
And God is going to tell us who's going to be the president.
And God is going to tell us how this country is going to go.
And we are going to fight.
Okay.
Thank you, Jennifer Lawrence.
jordan holmes
So then you even if so then even if you get your president, you're still not going to do what the government says?
dan friesen
I guess not.
Anyway, congratulations to clearly day drunk guy in a sequin smoking jacket.
You have won the very coveted title of most confusing breath of fresh air.
jordan holmes
I was a little bit hoping that like somebody out of let like what if JB Smooth did five minutes?
Like that's what I was hoping the super surprising confusing breath of fresh air was.
dan friesen
No, it's a day drunk guy in a sequined red coat.
jordan holmes
Pretty close to JB Smooth.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So the next award that I'm going to give out, the next superlative, is the best integration of promotional messaging into a stump speech.
jordan holmes
My pillow.
My pillow.
Nope.
dan friesen
Well, my pillow might be involved.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But this award goes to radio show host David J. Harris.
And let me say, it's not even close.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
dan friesen
He ran away with this thing.
unidentified
And a special thank you to the co-sponsor that really helped fund a lot of this.
Mr. MyPillow himself, Mike Lindell.
Amazing patriot loves his country.
Loves us.
Loves the president and the president loves him.
And I got to tell you, I love his codes, right?
I love his pillows.
I love his sheets.
I love his mattress topper.
And I love his codes, because you know what?
The Kraken has been released.
You are part of the Kraken.
So for the best deals to support this Patriot, use the code Kraken at mypillow.com.
dan friesen
Amazing.
Just amazing.
I can't say enough how not smooth that was.
jordan holmes
That is really, really bad.
dan friesen
But David doesn't just stop with my pillow codes.
He also throws out like, hey, I'm big on social media.
unidentified
I've worked hard over the last few years to try to bring you real honest news at DavidHarrisJr..com.
I've got 2.3 million followers on Facebook, 1.1 on Instagram.
dan friesen
Plug in his website is social media, and that's great.
But that is all just in order to prepare you for another plug, which is the solution to Facebook.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
unidentified
I hear people talking about Parlor.
Parlor's amazing.
It's a great alternative to Twitter.
But we need an alternative to Facebook.
Something that works and operates like Facebook.
And I've found it.
I'm going to be talking about it loud.
I've got a lot of my friends who are going to be talking about it loud.
It's called Spreely, stands for Speak Freely.
And here's where you can download it.
S-P-R-E-E-L-Y.
Spreely.
You're going to hear a lot about that.
And they're going to dominate Facebook.
dan friesen
I'm going to guess they're not.
But all these people, like a lot of them seem to be pushing internet startups.
Like there was that Ian Rakelin guy who came to Alex's CPAC thing and he was trying to push a search engine.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like I think that they're really trying to make a little bit of a fast cash on the conservative aggrievement over social media market.
jordan holmes
I mean, but this is what I'm saying when I say like I feel for these idiots in the crowd here.
Like you guys are being sold the idea that you can legally just get whatever you want so long as like they'll fire lawsuits and then we'll get whatever we want because we're right.
And they're selling you all of this like and when this happens, which we totally know it's going to, it will keep us from having to do the one thing that we know is the only way to get what we want to achieve and we're trying to avoid.
And it's like you're just being taken along by these guys who are selling you on Spree.
dan friesen
Well, no one's going to go on Spreely.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, he also has perfected this technique this David Harris has of protracted prayer.
He does the Lord's Prayer, but he wants to really take every line of it and think about what does it mean?
unidentified
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Are we going to get a bridge show?
It's so long.
dan friesen
It's like six minutes of.
Jesus.
Yeah.
But this is the end of it and how smoothly it transitions into a plug.
jordan holmes
Oh, wow.
unidentified
Give us a greater understanding, Father, of your love for us as the individual son, as an individual daughter.
Give us a greater revelation, Father, of your love.
jordan holmes
You fake piece of shit.
unidentified
And let us be that catalyst and that change in our country.
In Jesus' name.
Amen.
Amen.
I truly believe we're going to win.
I truly believe the fraud is going to be exposed.
The kraken has been released.
We, the people, will not be denied seeing another four years of the amazing presidency of Donald J. Trump.
God bless you.
I think we're going to hear this.
And still.
45.
We're going to hear that again.
So please visit DavidHarrisJr.com.
Help me fight these suckers that are just constantly on me.
dan friesen
Got to fight these suckers that are on me.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Wow.
Quite a ride.
Jesus overturned those money changers tables and said, follow me at Jesus underscore magic.
dan friesen
Yeah, I found his speech to be laden with promotion to a point where it was distracting.
It was a little distracting.
And granted, I have no idea who this guy is.
So I can't judge his body of work.
I can only watch this and say it was a little much.
unidentified
Yikes.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
Yes, sir.
Our next category.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
Is the most graceful exit from someone who clearly did not want to be there?
This award goes to someone we know, actually.
He's a guy who promoted Pizzagate quite heavily.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Jack Basobik.
jordan holmes
Oh, goddammit.
unidentified
They said that I could have longer time up here today, but I said I want to give my time up.
I want to give my time up to a whistleblower, a courageous whistleblower who saw something and decided to say something and stand up.
So ladies and gentlemen, all the way from Michigan, Melissa Carone, who's going to come up and tell you what she saw.
dan friesen
So that's the lady who appeared to be drunk with Rudy Giuliani in that video that everyone loved so much.
Yeah, so Jack clearly, I got the vibe that he was, because that's like a minute into his great.
Yeah, I'm just gonna get started.
They would have given Melissa Carone a speaking spot if she'd asked.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
No, he just was like, yeah, I don't really want to do this.
jordan holmes
I don't want to do it.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
But I do want my name there.
dan friesen
Yeah, just in case.
jordan holmes
I would like my attention.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
But I do not want to do the work for it.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So congratulations, Jack.
You made a graceful exit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's well done.
dan friesen
Oh, there's a late entry.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
There is actually an escalation of this category.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Now we have to give out the award for the person who made the most graceful.
I'm not even showing up.
This award goes to Dinesh D'Souza.
unidentified
Now it's my honor to introduce another young lady.
dan friesen
You know her father, Dinesh D'Souza.
unidentified
You see him all over TV.
He couldn't join us today, but Danielle D'Souza's here.
She's a strong, pro-life young woman, the author of the book, The Choice.
And I'm proud to introduce her to you today here in Washington, D.C., Danielle D'Souza.
dan friesen
Dinesh D'Souza was invited.
He said, fuck no, I'll send you a second.
jordan holmes
I'll send my daughter.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Take that, Jack Pesobi.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Wow, Jack.
You didn't know you could half-ass it still further.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Lazy.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Why did you not just say, why didn't you send in a video message announcing Melissa Carbone or whatever?
dan friesen
You know who did send in a video message?
jordan holmes
Dinesh D'Souza?
dan friesen
No, Marjorie Green, the QAnon.
jordan holmes
Oh, the crazy person.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right.
dan friesen
Good for her.
unidentified
Good for her.
dan friesen
That was one of those real curveballs in terms of their booking.
I feel like you guys are trying to have an air of not out there too far.
jordan holmes
So we got the craziest congressperson we could find.
dan friesen
Well, and she only sent in a video.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not good.
That's not good.
dan friesen
It could be better.
jordan holmes
Overthrowing democracy is not always the most popular thing to do.
I've seen that.
dan friesen
It's true.
So the next category, Jordan, is the second most likely day-drunk person after the guy in a sequence shirt.
jordan holmes
Ooh, he's 100%.
dan friesen
Yes, there's no competition.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that one's all the way up to full.
dan friesen
Second place, however, second most likely, that honor goes to Boris Epstein, who I should remind you, the guy from Sinclair Media, I should remind you, tested positive for COVID-19 on November 26th.
He showed up and he seemed drunk.
unidentified
Hello, America!
I was told I shouldn't take the mic off, but I'm going to do it anyway, right?
Who do we love?
Who do we love?
We love Trump!
We love Trump!
jordan holmes
Why?
Why?
unidentified
Trump we love Trump We love Trump!
dan friesen
I love that Boris is like apparently didn't hear everyone yelling to put the flags down.
Nope.
jordan holmes
Get those flags up!
Get those flags up!
Get the flags in the air!
dan friesen
At two different events, people have been saying put the flags down so he could stream.
And Boris is like, ah, fuck that.
I don't know if he's actually drunk.
It's really tough to tell because it also, I realized as I was watching this, it's hard to tell the difference between like maybe kind of day drunk, buzzed, and sort of just jacked up off of being in front of a crowd, Lisbon.
And doing those like standard get the crowd pumped up kind of things.
Like those are.
jordan holmes
You gotta sound crazy if you do that, you know.
dan friesen
Yeah, and those are the kind of things that you instinctually do when you're drunk.
Like getting a crowd to chant USA is really fun when you're drunk.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Ah, USA.
jordan holmes
I can't.
This is maybe the largest disconnect more than our politics even.
The idea, any politician, the idea of saying, if me chanting, we love blank politician, fuck that.
unidentified
Period.
dan friesen
It seems weird.
jordan holmes
Period.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think AOC is incredible.
I'm not going to chant, we love AOC.
Fuck that.
dan friesen
I tell myself that I think I would be just as put off by seeing large crowds chanting we love Obama back in 2008.
jordan holmes
Creepy.
dan friesen
But maybe I wouldn't have been.
Maybe that's a bias on my part.
I don't know.
I like to think that I would be.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But I'm not saying that.
jordan holmes
Certainly we were much younger than Obama was coming out after the previous worst president in American history.
dan friesen
I like to think that I would respond the same and be like, ooh, weird.
But I wonder if I would see that and I would give the like sort of like, oh, they're not in a cult of personality.
This is just expressing their political.
Sure, sure.
I wonder.
I like to think.
jordan holmes
I mean, I wouldn't, I don't know Obama Jordan.
That was significantly long ago.
I would say the most recent is obviously the Bernie Sanders campaign in the primary in 2016 whenever he had those massive rallies.
But even then, I don't remember people screaming like people chanting like feel the burns.
Something like catch forward.
But then it's like, yeah, it's like we're all in this together, not like, we love you.
Yeah, that's crazy.
dan friesen
That's slogan was not me, us.
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
Exactly.
jordan holmes
We love us.
I would be fine with chanting that.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
It's tough.
I know that I don't like looking at it here.
And I like to think that maybe even if I had turned a blind eye to it before, I would now look upon people chanting like, let's say, I love AOC or whatever.
I would look at that much differently.
unidentified
Don't.
dan friesen
So maybe this has given me an illuminating moment.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So we have another superlative, another title, person who's putting the most direct, I didn't prepare this title.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
This one's a little bit off the domey.
dan friesen
Person who's putting the most effort into getting people killed.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
That goes to, I don't remember his name, but he's that gym owner in New Jersey who refuses to stay closed.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
If you would have asked me back in February if I thought that one person could make a difference, I would have laughed and said, hell no.
But here I am today, one man a part of a team of two guys who stood up to a governor and told him, no, we will not listen.
And it's starting a movement across the country.
They're trying that second wave that they've been predicting for so long.
And more and more businesses are staying open.
And I'm here to advocate every single freedom-loving American to go out and support these small businesses.
And I'm going to give you away how.
We created a directory, a nationwide directory of businesses that are staying open.
Think of them as a Yelp for freedom-loving Americans who won't listen to COVID restrictions.
jordan holmes
I have a flaw in that.
unidentified
So go out there and support.
That is www.stayopenstayfree.com.
Check it out.
Go encourage businesses to sign up and go support them.
Because the more that do, the quicker this thing will fall apart.
I promise you.
dan friesen
This works equally well as a registry of businesses to avoid.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Yep.
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
I didn't think that one man could make a difference.
jordan holmes
But now look at me, the horseman of plague, spreading COVID to all who come near me.
Yeah, Jesus Christ, King Michael.
dan friesen
He might not age well.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I went and I looked at this guy's registry and I looked for Chicago.
And there is exactly one business in the city of Chicago, and it is an apartment building.
Which is just like, all right, I guess.
I guess if that's where you want to promote.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Seems silly.
Hey.
It's a Gold Coast apartment.
jordan holmes
Well, that doesn't surprise me.
It was going to be anywhere.
Gold Coast is where it is.
dan friesen
I don't know if this is what that was for.
I think this is more about retail, right?
jordan holmes
I was thinking so.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Cool.
So, next support of Live Jordan is actually a tie.
jordan holmes
Yes, sir.
dan friesen
This is very shocking.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Most insane preacher.
jordan holmes
Ooh, there's two.
unidentified
Two.
jordan holmes
It's a tie.
dan friesen
The first goes to Reverend Locke out of Tennessee.
unidentified
If you're glad to be on the winning side, let's make some noise, DC.
I read the back of the book and it doesn't end with oh me.
It ends with amen.
And this thing is going to turn out all right.
We're not going to back up.
We're not going to pack up.
We're not going to slack up.
And we're not going to shut up till we've been taken up by the glory of God.
And I am convinced that Donald J. Trump is going to remain the president of the United States.
Do you believe that this afternoon, Patriots?
dan friesen
Have you met my snakes?
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Dude, we got a revival preacher on this video.
jordan holmes
Come on, buddy.
dan friesen
We're getting a lot of different particular flavors of exciting preachers.
And that's why it has to be a tie, is because these guys have completely different styles.
Okay.
But Reverend Locke or Pastor Locke, who knows?
eric metaxas
Whatever.
dan friesen
He does not ask permission when he wants to tell the devil that the devil is on notice.
unidentified
I think he should.
Now, I didn't ask permission for I said it and never do, but I'm going to tell you something.
I serve notice on the devil.
dan friesen
This guy is an auctioneer.
jordan holmes
I was actually thinking that exact same thing.
I was like, man, you have a gift for saying words fast and dumb.
Do not do this job.
dan friesen
He's very exciting verbally.
Yeah.
That's why.
unidentified
Nah, I never asked the devil for a goddamn piece of permission, but I will tell you this right now, everybody.
jordan holmes
That's going to be a good night.
We see five over there.
And now it's 10 over there.
I have 20 over there.
dan friesen
20?
ed martin
20 over there?
unidentified
All right.
And the law says so.
dan friesen
That's where it's functional.
But unfortunately, he uses his gifts to yell about how everyone will be forced to bow in front of Jesus.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
unidentified
That in the name of Jesus, every knee should bow of things in heaven and things in earth and things under the earth.
And that every, I said that every Republican, every Democrat shall bow and with their voice proclaim him Lord of lords to the glory of God the Father.
So you have a choice and the choice is clear.
We can declare Jesus Lord of our life right now because we want to.
Or we can declare Jesus Christ Lord of our life in the day of judgment because we have to.
But make no mistake, Jesus Christ is Lord.
And I want you to chant King of Kings.
King of Kings.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that guy is scary in many ways, but the vocal patterns are fun, so I'll give him that.
jordan holmes
King of kings.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So the next guy who's tied here for this most insane preacher is a guy named Brian Gibson.
And I actually found this kind of endearing.
Okay.
His wife brings him up, introduces him on stage.
And you don't know that it's his wife initially, because she's just like, this next speaker is just my favorite person.
He's my husband.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's cute.
dan friesen
It's adorable.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And then Brian Gibson, Pastor Brian Gibson, complains about how his Easter service did.
jordan holmes
I hate my wife.
dan friesen
No, it didn't.
His Easter service didn't work out.
He's going to try and give eggs to children.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
On Easter Sunday, I blew a fuse.
I put together an Easter egg giveaway.
We were going to give some kids an egg in the name of Jesus.
The health department called me, said if I gave those eggs away, that they would shut down the church of the Lord Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
You keep those fucking eggs.
jordan holmes
I swear to God.
I swear to God, that's your bitching.
That's what you're complaining about.
dan friesen
You keep those eggs.
jordan holmes
Wow.
unidentified
And I were to tell you, no one has the authority to shut down the church of the Lord Jesus Christ except Jesus Christ himself when he returns for his church.
Come on, give God a hand clap.
Do you believe it?
Give God a hand clap.
jordan holmes
Does God need applause?
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
I organized a parking lot communion service.
I called all of the press.
I said, come out.
Tell the governor I'm distributing communion elements and they can come arrest me because I'd love to go to jail for the preaching of the gospel.
jordan holmes
That's not what you would be going to jail for, sir.
You were not actually preaching gospel.
unidentified
Used to every time I got drunk and coked up, I got arrested.
dan friesen
What's up with that?
What is up with that?
Now I can't get arrested for preaching?
jordan holmes
No.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Kind of a little bit telling.
unidentified
A little bit there.
dan friesen
Anyway, he would not make the cut if it weren't for his just extreme Christian nationalist leanings.
unidentified
Let me say this.
America did not birth the church.
America did not birth the church.
But the church birthed America.
jordan holmes
Not true, sir.
Sir?
Sir, excuse me.
unidentified
And the only thing that will save America is the same thing that birthed America, the church of the Lord Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So yeah, I mean, this is.
jordan holmes
I was going to go with King George, but I guess I was wrong.
dan friesen
Nope.
You were absolutely wrong.
jordan holmes
I guess I was way off.
What about that whole no taxation without representation thing?
Wasn't that really important?
unidentified
Church.
jordan holmes
Is it just church?
dan friesen
Church.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
Okay.
You realize that, like, the Puritans were kicked out.
unidentified
Church.
jordan holmes
Because they hated him.
unidentified
Church.
jordan holmes
Because everybody hated him.
Again, because they're the worst.
dan friesen
These two preachers are the one that is not the more religiously branded one.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
They're the one that wasn't the product of a vision.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yep.
So I'm just trying to tell you that all of this is.
jordan holmes
You know, I want to say, like, religious people, come get your guys or you get what you get, man.
dan friesen
And that's mockery.
jordan holmes
And that's mockery.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't blame decent religious people for this.
jordan holmes
I blame religion for this.
dan friesen
That's an interesting conversation I don't want to have right now.
Fair.
I do want to give out the next award.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And this is the last award.
All right.
This goes to the most bewildering transition between speakers.
owen shroyer
Okay.
dan friesen
This begins with a woman whose name is either Anna Kate or Anna Kay.
It's hard to tell from the intro.
The intro is a guy named Matt Couch.
He's giving her the intro.
jordan holmes
He's from MyCouch.com.
dan friesen
No, no.
jordan holmes
There's a great promo code.
dan friesen
He's a dude who really did some damage to the Rich family, the Seth Rich conspiracy shit.
I don't know what the fuck anyone's doing ever letting him speak in public again.
unidentified
Fuck me.
dan friesen
But anyway, he gives the intro to either Anna Kate or Anna Kay.
No idea.
She's a very devout Trump worshiper who's apparently been in prayer for 40 days straight.
And I guess she's breaking that now to give the people of this rally an update.
jordan holmes
How dare you fucking lie like that.
dan friesen
She says, she says that prophecy has promised that Trump will be given two consecutive terms, so therefore he must have won.
After saying this, she's got a message for the devil.
unidentified
The second message is for the devil and his minions and all the wizards and witches that are watching right now all over the world.
This is for you.
We're going to do a chant right now.
We're going to do a chant because it's awesome to exult.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, you're not going to be able to do it.
unidentified
I'm your anointed one.
He's your anointed one to bring justice back into this country.
jordan holmes
Not justice.
dan friesen
I do worry that I'm one of the wizards.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're a wizard.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, we are.
I think that no matter what the reality is, I would be looked upon as a wizard.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Oh, devil.
No, it doesn't matter.
Honestly, even if there was no religion, I'm still looking at you just going like, you got a real Lord of the Ringsy vibe to you.
dan friesen
Dick, I've been forced into the role of a wizard.
jordan holmes
I mean, you leaned into it, though.
You're erudite.
You're obsessive.
You live on the third floor.
You're in a tower, if you will.
Come on, buddy.
You're John D reincarnated.
dan friesen
All right.
Fine.
I'm a wizard.
Anyway, this lady chants for Jesus.
She wants to chant Jesus' name.
jordan holmes
Is the devil weak to chants?
unidentified
Yes.
Oh, okay.
Shit.
I know that because I'm a wizard.
dan friesen
So they chant Jesus, and then she repents for abortion, which is apparently a blood sacrifice to Ball.
unidentified
Sure.
Count of three, we're going to chant Jesus because this was a vision I had a few weeks ago because it's shifting in the atmosphere now in Jesus' name.
Lord, we repent.
Before we chant his name, Lord, we repent for all the blood sacrifice that has been poured out in this nation, Lord.
We repent for abortion, Lord God.
This sacrifice is to fail.
We exalt you, Lord.
dan friesen
So, yeah, then they start chanting Jesus.
Now, Jordan, here is the transition that is outrageous and made me laugh out loud.
Hours into watching these stupid rally.
jordan holmes
This is your second rally.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
And I loved this moment more than I can really put into words.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, Mike down for this.
Enjoy this minute and 15-second ride.
unidentified
Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.
Glory to God.
We're going to see a miracle.
Amen.
Amazing, right?
Hey, guys, right here in the middle.
If we could keep the flags down, we have some guys at RSPN who've been with us the whole way.
They're amazing.
Let's block at the shot.
And we want to make sure people at home can enjoy it too.
Thank you guys.
Yeah, just right here in the center between us and the cameras.
Everybody else, we love you guys' flags.
They're amazing.
And we love RSPN because you guys need to be watching them.
All right, next up, we're going to mix it up.
We're going to bring some amazing artists out here.
Bryce the Grave, forky out of blow.
Y'all ready to turn up?
It's hard for me.
It's gonna be hard for me to move around with this mic, though.
dan friesen
All right.
So, what's happened here is that we started with the lady chanting Jesus, who had a message for the devil and the wizards.
And then my drunk friend comes back out.
He tells people to keep those flags down, boy.
A little bit more admin, a little bit of business.
And then he introduces a rap act.
jordan holmes
There's a rap concert.
You know, it's just, it was easier to have religious epiphanies before technology, I imagine.
At no point during the Sermon on the Mount was Peter like, hey, guys, guys, we are leaving too much bread around.
There is a lot of bread going around on the floors.
It is attracting too many birds.
Birds are getting in the shot.
This is not Hitchhock.
dan friesen
And now a rap concert on the map.
So, yeah, this guy named Bryson Gray comes out to do a little rap set.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
He has a couple albums that he's put out.
unidentified
One's called MAGA Season, spelled S-Z-N.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's hot.
dan friesen
Another one, another album called MAGA Christmas.
Another album called MAGA Ain't Got No Color.
And his other album, Can't Cancel God.
jordan holmes
So is it his label who wanted the Christmas album or was it self-released?
dan friesen
So I went and I listened to a little bit of his stuff, and I got to say he's serviceable as an actual rapper.
He's not good.
As a lyricist, or yes, as someone who's delivering words over beats.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
He's not as bad as a lot of people I've heard.
Okay.
I will say that.
And I think he's just not, he's not anything interesting.
Sure.
I don't find anything compelling about it.
It's largely just like rapping, you know, sort of conspiracy talking points.
Yeah, I don't really care.
But I went and I actually found a review of one of his albums.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It was shocking because the review really agreed with me.
Like, he's not terrible, but this is boring.
I liked that because it was like, yeah, this review isn't insulting him.
It's not like he's a shitty rapper.
You're not doing anything interesting.
It's kind of uncompelling.
You have some skill or whatever.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
No, you hate my politics.
Honestly, your politics, I do hate them, but we're talking about the music here, buddy.
dan friesen
If you could deliver your politics in an interesting, artistic way, I might still appreciate what you make, even if I disagree with what you're putting out.
Possibly.
I might be able to get there, but you're just boring as hell.
jordan holmes
Look, everybody knows Cecil DeMille, okay?
We get it.
dan friesen
So he comes out with another rapper whose name I forget because I don't care.
But they have some tech issues at the beginning.
And so they have to vamp for a little bit.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And then the music starts.
And this is the last clip because what ends up happening is just perfect.
It could not be more perfect.
I think that this sums up everything.
unidentified
Who out here is disappointed in a Supreme Court decision yesterday?
They thought they were going to kill our spirit.
But we still out here and we still live.
Trump 2020 on the game.
Y'all got to say I'm working.
I heard it playing drew.
God-fearing God.
Oh, here we go.
I love the Second Amendment.
Y'all ready?
God gave it to me.
Not one politician.
Turn it up.
I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care Come on.
I'm a God-tote patriot.
Copy and pray for you.
Break your body.
dan friesen
Cause I'm brilliant.
unidentified
They be faking it.
Bring speak advocates.
You saw my mom.
Hold on.
Ain't nobody taking me.
Control and Bible reading.
God believe in truth.
Being American.
It's magazines.
Democratic.
Cause I know they preach and sleep.
But you don't know when you feel it.
They break Carol Fitz.
Not a cage.
Cause he's innocent.
Hey, everybody.
Thank you so much for tuning in to Ride Paddock Cash here in Washington DVD.
We want to see.
None of this would be possible if it's for Michael Dell and My Pillow.
dan friesen
They go away from the rap concert to do a My Pillow commercial.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Guys.
Guys, you were supposed to get the version without the lyrics.
I just wanted the instrumental, guys.
Guys, the instrumental.
It's rapping with me.
Yeah, it's rapping with me.
dan friesen
It's mostly the track.
jordan holmes
I'm supposed to.
What is this?
Riffraff?
I'm supposed to actually perform.
dan friesen
Yeah.
One of the things that I found really interesting, too, is if you watch this video, there's a guy who looks like Napoleon Dynamite on stage.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Gotta have him.
I don't know what this dude is doing.
I can't tell if he's with them and there as a visual joke that he's dancing along with them or whatever, or if he's like from some other outlet.
Because he's carrying a stick mic.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, of course.
dan friesen
I have no idea what's going on.
It's bewildering.
jordan holmes
It's modern Forrest Gump.
We're going to find a movie about that guy 20 years from now and he's going to be everywhere.
dan friesen
It's outrageous.
jordan holmes
He will have inserted himself into the Vietnam War.
dan friesen
I can't tell you how weird it was.
Like, obviously, we're recording this on Sunday, and this was all happening on Saturday.
And so, in order to make this really work, it ended up like I had a really late night last night.
And so I'm like, you know, late into the evening watching these banal speeches.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then hearing this lady being like, we must chant Jesus' name.
And then a rap concert breaking out.
I was so amused by it.
And then the fact that the broadcast goes straight to a My Pillow commercial in the middle of maybe the most energetic thing they had on their stage the entire time.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It just was kind of disrespectful to this very serviceable rapper.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
Jesus Christ.
Indeed.
That has got to be the most surreal night I can think of.
Like to go that.
So just to ride that all the way through to like three.
See, now, if you were just watching one rally, no big deal.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That'll drive you nuts.
But you listen to Alex Jones's.
dan friesen
Yeah, I have a high tolerance.
jordan holmes
But you're watching seven straight hours of rallies.
alex jones
At least.
jordan holmes
Seven straight hours of rallies on after a long day into the wee hours of the morning.
alex jones
Yep.
jordan holmes
And at a certain point, didn't you have to just have a complete break from reality?
dan friesen
I kind of did think at a certain point I was making up what was happening.
jordan holmes
It feels like that must have been.
That's how I would feel if you're telling me this happened.
dan friesen
It was surreal.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine experiencing it by myself.
Do you know what I mean?
dan friesen
Yeah.
There were a couple points where I thought, like, this is self-parody.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's no way Mike Flynn's speech started with a My Pillow edge.
jordan holmes
It can't be.
dan friesen
Why is this guy giving out my pillow codes?
jordan holmes
It can't be.
dan friesen
This is nonsense.
jordan holmes
This cannot be as a thing.
dan friesen
It's so tough to like really put your hands on what this is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it's simultaneously a terrifying display of different levels of explicitness about a desire to live in a Christian theocracy.
You know, it's not about standing up for your right to be able to practice your religion.
It's about enforcing your religious beliefs on the government.
Making the government adhere to your religious beliefs at the expense of everyone else who does not share your beliefs.
unidentified
You got it.
dan friesen
And that's terrifying.
unidentified
Horrifying.
dan friesen
Because you have the Jericho march, which is maybe obviously more upfront about it.
It's called the Jericho March.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But it shares overlap in funding and speakers with this same other march.
And quite honestly, I think the people that I heard on the other march, the Women for Trump or Women for America First, there was more Christian nationalism probably on display there.
Now, granted, they didn't have someone like Leon Benjamin saying we got to kill the devil so our kids don't have it.
jordan holmes
There was that one.
dan friesen
There was a little bit more speak freely going on over there.
There's freely going on.
But I think I'm more scared of the Women for America First rally, honestly.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because they're smart enough to not allow Alex there.
jordan holmes
Right.
It's not Gorka.
It's fascism packaged by Coca-Cola.
Like, it is so much.
On my pillow.
Well, yeah, I mean, that's that tying together of just base commerce, just fucking promo code level commerce with fucking your ostensible belief system, which we all know is complete bullshit.
If you think anything that those rallies had to do, those rallies had zero to do with Christianity.
dan friesen
I agree.
jordan holmes
Zero.
dan friesen
It's a mask that's being worn.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
And one of the things that's really difficult is that, like, I don't, I'm not saying that of everybody who's in the crowd again.
Like, I think that there's probably maybe some sincere and misled people who are there.
owen shroyer
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I can't say.
Yeah.
But I don't think that I can't imagine that the people who are putting this on are motivated by a sincere spirituality.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
It's very difficult for me to accept that.
And maybe it feels that way to them.
I'm not sure.
It's very difficult to judge.
I wrestle with this because it's something that's so intimate and personal within someone, like true religious feelings.
And whenever you sort of criticize somebody about their sincerity or lack thereof, it kind of comes off as if, oh, you think you have sincere beliefs.
owen shroyer
No.
dan friesen
And I don't want to get into that kind of an argument, but this is gross.
jordan holmes
Here's what I would say about that.
If your beliefs are sincere and you're looking for Christ and all that stuff, go read The Way of the Pilgrim and really, really like meditate on Thessalonians and the idea of praying every day and every moment and what that actually means.
Or you could go to a rally and try and overthrow a nation and kill a bunch of people.
dan friesen
Yeah, and the difficulty that I have is the combination of both of these rallies being so explicitly Christian nationalist in character, so overt about it, and both of them being so crass.
We're laughing our asses off at all the My Pillow stuff, but that's it, both of these rallies.
It's happening at both of them.
jordan holmes
So fucked.
dan friesen
And the parody level of the praying and chanting Jesus into a drunk guy introducing a rap act.
jordan holmes
Just rap.
dan friesen
It's bizarre.
It's surreal.
And I don't know what to do with it, but I do think that Alex Jones got a lot of headlines out of crashing that Jericho March one.
And so it does come into our view.
And I think that one of the things that's important, I guess, is to take what we know about Alex and what we understand about that and glimpse the external world a little bit when there is a chance to.
And quite honestly, looking at these people, some of whom I'm aware of, some of whom I'm not, who are chosen by these people who are organizing these rallies to give these speeches, I don't see a lot of difference between what they're putting out there and what Alex does.
Nope.
And that is not how I felt even like even when we look back at 2009, even when the Tea Party was going on, there were still substantive differences between the Tea Party and Alex Jones.
Alex was more severe.
He may be more severe than some of these people and more extreme, but like these rallies, I don't understand why, except for bad press, they would not let Alex speak it both ways.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I don't know.
dan friesen
I don't get why they have to parade around even at the Jericho market with the code.
jordan holmes
It's not there.
dan friesen
And the code of like in the spirit of inclusion.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like all that.
Like, go fuck yourself.
He's right on board with exactly what you're saying.
He's doing what you're doing better.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the idea that they are still allowed to like that was Alex's role for Fox News and the Rush Limbaughs and the Glen Becks is for them to be like, hey, at least we're not like Alex Jones.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
They're all like that, and they're still trying to act like by saying, hey, at least we're not Alex Jones in InfoWars, we still get that difference.
You're not.
There's no difference.
There's no difference.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
So how dare you act like you're too good for Alex?
I'm mad on it.
I'm mad on his behalf.
dan friesen
Don't feel that way.
jordan holmes
I don't feel that.
dan friesen
But I think that, you know, I can see where that thought comes from.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
And it largely comes from the reality that if you watch that rally, you'll see a difference in competence from Alex and the rest of the speakers.
If the goal is to rile up this crowd, goddammit, does Alex do a better job than any of the rest of them?
Even at that point when he's getting not allowed on stage, he gets the crowd.
jordan holmes
People are still chanting, we love Alex.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
He gets on the bullhorn and yells 1776 and people start chanting his name.
jordan holmes
And that's how you fucking do it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He can do all this better than all of you, but unfortunately, his brand is so toxic that no one, even Ali Alexander, wants to admit that he basically works for Infowars.
jordan holmes
No kidding.
dan friesen
So, I mean, it's kind of like, I don't know.
I think that this kind of sums up what I think is one of the main problems.
unidentified
Who's had it with these fact-checkers?
Haven't you had it with these fact-checkers?
dan friesen
That could almost be the big problem.
jordan holmes
That's probably a better way of putting it.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think when you cheer for fuck fact-checkers.
jordan holmes
Who's up with all this reality?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Who's up here with you?
I'm sick of it.
unidentified
I'm sick of it.
jordan holmes
Let's live in a dream world.
Let's live in a dream world.
Who wants to live in a dream world?
unidentified
Boo.
dan friesen
Hey, who likes to confirm things?
Boo, boo.
Read a book.
The mind is the fear killer.
Fear, fear, mind killer.
Yeah.
So I thought this was an interesting exploration, a little bit sort of not fully outside of our realm, but sort of to the side of it a tiny bit.
And it bummed me out more than usual just because it's like, oh, all these people chanting and cheering and all these speakers sounding very similar to Alex.
It's a bummer, and I think we have a very large problem in front of us that I do not know how to deal with.
And I think that it's important to recognize that one of the major problems is the blurring here of this is not political.
This isn't about politics.
This is not about policies.
This is something else altogether.
And trying to approach it from the standpoint of arguing or politics, it's not going to work.
It's absolutely not going to work.
jordan holmes
Here's my pitch.
All right.
Now, I think one of the speakers did point out that the nation was created, and he said it was created by God, and I would argue that it was created because of King George and the like and his ill cursed.
unidentified
Who's had it with these fact-checkers?
jordan holmes
All right, but maybe we should learn something from King George, Dan.
Okay, what did King George do?
dan friesen
I already dispute your premise because I hate fact-checkers.
jordan holmes
What did King George do when did the king do when faced with Puritans?
You know, they were causing a ruckus, and then he was like, get the fuck out.
And then they all left.
dan friesen
Yeah, I know.
jordan holmes
So we shoot him to the moon, Dan.
dan friesen
This seems too much like those mentalities that I find kind of noxious, which are the like.
Because you don't like physical.
But even as a joke, I don't really like it because it sounds so much like the, you know, you hear this rhetoric from drunk people.
You know, you don't like Trump being your president.
unidentified
Get out.
dan friesen
You know, you don't.
And I just don't think that's a good solution either.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know.
It's a tough time to be in the middle of this because I don't really know how the ball breaks.
jordan holmes
Well, steadfast tolerance of intolerance clearly isn't working.
dan friesen
No, I would agree with that.
jordan holmes
Kicking people out.
Didn't work last time.
No.
dan friesen
Violence doesn't work.
jordan holmes
Violence doesn't do it.
Maybe we should try using like those.
so it's like 2020 right and that means that before 20 another couple weeks Before 2020, there was like a bunch of years and humans.
And they've probably dealt with some shit like this before.
We should probably try smarts.
dan friesen
Well, I wish that I had this clip because actually a really great general, Michael Flynn, you might have heard of him.
jordan holmes
I've heard of him, yeah.
dan friesen
In his speech, he discusses how this has never happened in human history before.
jordan holmes
It's never happened.
dan friesen
So actually, we can't learn anything from history.
jordan holmes
I guess it's a completely new and it's really convenient how we can't know anything about this because it's never happened before.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So unfortunately, you know.
jordan holmes
All those book learning idiots.
This has never happened before.
Don't listen to them.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're a bunch of dumb fact checkers.
Fuck them.
jordan holmes
Fuck them.
God damn it.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I don't know.
Anyway, we'll be back on our next episode talking more specifically about Alex Jones, but I don't know.
These rallies sucked.
jordan holmes
They sucked.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
Yep.
dan friesen
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
Today, Knowledge is a fighting now.
Go to Bed Jordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
If you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work.
dan friesen
Yes, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
And Leo, I'm DZX Clerk.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
I am about to go buy a red sequin smoking jacket.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
I'm my first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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