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Dec. 14, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
02:21:06
#511: The 12/12 Rallies

Today, Dan and Jordan take a look at a couple of rallies that took place in DC over the weekend. Alex Jones managed to get on stage at one of them, but what were these rallies really like? Unfortunately, Dan watched them to find out.

Participants
Main voices
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alex jones
05:15
d
dan friesen
01:07:10
j
jordan holmes
35:46
Appearances
a
ali alexander
03:08
e
eric metaxas
04:17
m
mike lindell
02:24
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michael flynn
00:45
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
eric metaxas
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
eric metaxas
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your room.
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Joe.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan!
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is cereals.
jordan holmes
Cereals.
Okay.
dan friesen
I have gone...
jordan holmes
Like the old radio cereals?
Like the shadow?
dan friesen
I wish that was what I was saying.
No, I'm talking about breakfasts.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
I mentioned to you that I have been exploring the world of ordering groceries for the sake of safety.
And one of the things that has led me to do is more browsing than maybe I'm used to at a grocery store.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
I kind of get in and get out at a grocery store generally.
I kind of know what I'm looking for and I don't.
Eat that many different foods.
jordan holmes
Wearing blinders at the grocery store.
dan friesen
Go to the frozen pizza section.
Ka-chunk, ka-chunk.
jordan holmes
And go home.
dan friesen
Yes.
Browsing through, I've noticed that there are a number of cereals now that really excite me but also offend me.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright, alright.
dan friesen
These are the cereals where everybody's playing each other's game.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Everyone is in each other's lanes, and I don't know what's going on.
jordan holmes
Oh, do you mean like how Kellogg's Rice Krispies will suddenly have a peanut butter ball version?
Yeah, yeah.
And you're like, no, no, that's Reese's Puffs.
You stay the fuck out of here, Rice Krispies.
dan friesen
Or they have like Froot Loops with marshmallows.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and you're wrong.
dan friesen
You're working Lucky Charms' side of the street.
jordan holmes
What are you doing here?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And it's weird, because when I was a kid, I probably would have loved this.
jordan holmes
Oh, gone apeshit.
dan friesen
Yeah, but now as a 36-year-old man, I'm looking at this and I'm like, God, I gotta try it, but I don't want to.
jordan holmes
No, it's the worst.
Everybody's fighting on a corner war.
It's the drug war all over again.
dan friesen
One thing I was thinking about doing, but I'm not sure I'm going to be able to pull it off because I don't know if I'll actually be able to get all of them.
And I don't know how many of these hybrids there are, but it seems like there's a bunch.
I was thinking about trying to get a bunch and seeing who steals other people's gimmicks best.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
All right.
Does Frosted Flakes, is that improved with marshmallows?
I don't know how it would work.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you, the chocolate frosted flakes, I tried those.
Absolutely disgusting.
They're delicious for the first three bites, and then you're like, I'm not four years old anymore, so this much sugar is going to kill me.
I'm going to go with a no.
dan friesen
I think there's probably a lot of that in what I would find.
I did get the Lucky Charms, but with the regular pieces that aren't marshmallows are like honey.
jordan holmes
Were those good?
dan friesen
No.
Kind of just like, I like regular Lucky Charms.
jordan holmes
They're good!
dan friesen
They're magically delicious!
jordan holmes
I do like how many people are trying new stuff, whatever.
It's like, guys, I have been with Lucky Charms for four...
It's like I've been smoking Newport since I was nine years old, and you guys are gonna come up with some bullshit.
Like, the Camel Crush!
The first time the Camel Crush happened, I'm like, this is an affront against God!
How dare you combine these two flavors!
It's wrong!
dan friesen
But then...
unidentified
They're great.
dan friesen
Yeah, so maybe you should try all these series.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
You should.
dan friesen
So what about you?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan, is the Avalanches released a new album.
The Avalanches released two albums in one decade, Dan.
dan friesen
That's insane.
jordan holmes
Below in your mind, isn't it?
dan friesen
Yeah, I was like, wow.
15 years between Since I Left You and whatever they came out with.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Wildflower.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
And then Just Now, We Will Always Love You released Friday.
Absolutely fantastic.
dan friesen
That's cool.
I don't want to be a hater, but I didn't really like their second album as much as I liked Since I Left You back when I used to smoke a lot of weed when I was younger.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, Since I Left You was kind of genre-busting in that they really took sampling too far.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They were like, hey, What if...
No, no, I know.
You like the Amen break and we'll strengthen it out.
What if instead we took 48 milliseconds and combined it with 48 milliseconds of 10 million other songs?
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I was just the right age and, like I said, smoking tons of weed and Frontier Psychiatrist blew my mind.
jordan holmes
It blew everybody's mind.
How did you get that parent?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The music video of it was so bizarre.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
I don't know how any other album they made could not...
It might have be a letdown.
unidentified
It is.
dan friesen
Based on the experience of that at that time.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But I'll try and have an open mind for this other new one.
jordan holmes
You know, in 2001 you thought they were mind-melting geniuses who were going to change music forever, and then their next album was a really good album if you were good producers, but it's not, you know, genre-busting, era-defining stuff.
dan friesen
I think the problem is the...
Decade in between.
Like, if you put out a sophomore album that's just serviceable or just good the next year, it's more understandable than, like, waiting for Chinese democracy and it just being, eh.
You can't do that.
jordan holmes
That is fair.
That's fair.
This one's really good, though.
dan friesen
You can't live up to that hype.
It's tough.
jordan holmes
This one's great.
They got a bunch of really good guests on it.
They do a lot of, like, classic trip-hop stuff.
It almost sounds a little Portis-head-y.
dan friesen
They get tricky to do a verse.
jordan holmes
Then they go full disco.
They got some disco, and then they got some classic Avalanches walking songs, which is what the Avalanches do best.
dan friesen
I'll check it out.
So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about The Weeknd.
unidentified
Oh.
jordan holmes
The band.
The band?
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
He's that guy.
dan friesen
Genre-busting!
jordan holmes
He was, okay, back in 2007, whenever his first EPs dropped.
Anyways, I'm not even going to get started on this.
unidentified
I don't know enough about the weekend.
jordan holmes
I know quite a bit.
dan friesen
We're going to be talking about the day that was 12-12-2020, the day out on DC's...
Alex didn't move to D.C. No, I didn't think so.
unidentified
But he did go to D.C. I assumed he would go.
dan friesen
And so today we're going to be taking a look at some of the events on the nation's capital.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
But first, before we get to that, let's take a moment, Jordan, to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Bambooza, thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Bambooza!
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Jim F., thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Jim!
unidentified
There you go.
dan friesen
Next, Ryan H. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Ry-Ry.
That's what I'm calling all Ryans.
Go for it.
dan friesen
Next, this could be Jelle.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
J-E-L-L-E.
I think it's probably Jelle.
Okay.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Could be a reference to cats.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna go with Jell.
dan friesen
Could be a Jellicle.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna go with Jell.
dan friesen
This could be a Jellicle wonk.
jordan holmes
It could be a Jellicle wonk.
I don't know if they had one of those in the original Cats, though.
dan friesen
Next, Kabir S. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Kabir!
dan friesen
Next, Will O. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Will!
dan friesen
Next, Rebecca O. Thank you so much.
No relation.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Thank you.
You're a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Rebecca!
dan friesen
Then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on Elevated Level.
We appreciate that very much.
So, Andy K., thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And it goes on.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare, Infowar on you!
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Andy, and thank you so much, and it goes on.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoyed the show, I'd like to support these gents too, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show, or...
jordan holmes
Or what you could do is you could go to a record store, go back into the back part of the record store, start searching through all your favorite bands, maybe some disco bands, maybe some esoteric stuff that other people haven't seen.
Find some generosity in there.
Take a little bits...
The best generosity from each one of those little crates over there.
Combine it together to make something amazingly generous and take it to your local bail fund or charity.
dan friesen
Digging in the crates!
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Great.
Thank you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
dan friesen
Today.
jordan holmes
What about it?
dan friesen
We are going to be talking about the rallies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they went great.
dan friesen
One thing that's really difficult for me is I'm not going to be addressing really the street violence.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think that that is a failing of our show to an extent, and that is because I don't have enough time to get into it.
Not on our show, I mean in terms of cover it with the seriousness and the focus that I think the topic deserves.
jordan holmes
Sure, we're a silly show about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Yes, I don't want to give short shrift to that, but at the same time, it falls slightly outside of what I have the time to cover.
jordan holmes
As we've seen with Rogan, half-assing it is sometimes worse than doing anything at all.
dan friesen
Yes, but I did not want people to think that I turn a blind eye to that kind of thing, or...
Or tacitly accept such, such.
So, Jordan, on Saturday, there were multiple rallies that were happening in D.C. surrounding the idea that this election had been stolen.
Stop that steal.
You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
They were both about the same thing, had the same theme, and even featured some overlapping speakers.
It was super confusing, but I think I know what was up.
One of the rallies was being held by the Women for America First, the group that formed out of the Tea Party, which is trying to use these protests and some of this unrest to secure more power for the Republican Party while simultaneously trying to make the Republican Party as weird as possible like they did with the Tea Party.
jordan holmes
Yes, correct.
dan friesen
The other rally was called the Jericho March, which made no secret about just being an overtly Christian extremist rally with some really outrageous planned speakers.
jordan holmes
Well, if I remember my story of Jericho well, I believe those people were the nice ones.
They decided to end the siege by negotiating, coming to a...
Fair solution for both parties, right?
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah.
That Jericho march, it had Ali Alexander in the mix, a friend from InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
They also had the Cowboys for Trump.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
And noted asshole-slash-Congress member Paul Gosar.
jordan holmes
Oh, great.
dan friesen
It's really hard for me to tell what exactly was going on, and I kind of don't think that these two were opposing rallies, per se.
Your instinct would be to think that the Jericho march was for the religious zealots, whereas the Women for America First would be the more restrained one.
But honestly, the rallies were almost identical.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're both the same people.
dan friesen
I watched both of them.
Yeah, they're the same people.
Not all the same people, but it's the same vibe.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what I mean.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Both featured Mike Flynn giving the same speech.
Both had appearances from and got funding from the MyPillow guy.
jordan holmes
Hey, great.
dan friesen
And both were overwhelmingly religious.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Watching these rallies, one thing that's abundantly clear to me, and that's something that I think is very important for us to bring up, is...
We're not dealing with politics here at all.
This is not politics.
This is a cult with some interest in politics as a means to gaining and retaining power, and I don't really know how to talk about that without, like, I don't know.
I don't know how to engage with the ideas of a cult.
jordan holmes
Um, I mean, I think...
The best way to engage with the ideas of cult is on a grand scale, and what we should do to stimulate the economy is train 50% of the country in cult deprogramming to help them with the other 50%.
dan friesen
That's a new deal.
jordan holmes
I think that's a good way to do it.
It's like the Works Progress Administration.
dan friesen
Sure.
It's really difficult because it comes off, or it can be misconstrued as attacking religion to attack this kind of thing that's going on, and I don't have any interest in attacking religion or Christianity.
I have a problem with what this is.
And that's tough.
Because when we hear a person say that Bill Gates said X, Y, or Z in an interview, it's really easy to go find that interview and discuss what's going on.
When we hear that same person say that God has chosen Donald Trump to be president, it's not too difficult to say that they're a bit of a fanatic and they're probably unwell.
The difficulty comes when there are two multi-hour rallies attended by thousands of people where the speakers repeatedly and incessantly insist that God has chosen Trump to be president and everyone cheers.
That's tough.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is really fucked up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We know where Alex is at.
We know where his head is.
We know what he's up to.
And so I thought maybe a good use of our time today would be to look at these rallies themselves and try and assess where we're at with all this and see if it's something that we can learn to talk about a little bit better and see if there's anybody who pops up.
Who is a particularly good crazy?
jordan holmes
Oh, good.
dan friesen
Maybe there will be somebody who's like...
If this is...
jordan holmes
I don't think Hamamoto's coming by.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
I don't think Hamamoto got his invite for this one.
dan friesen
Daryl is on the outs.
I think we can let that one go.
He's still yelling at Linda Kategi out at UC Davis.
No, but I figure like, hey, you've got one...
I think each rally was at least four hours long.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
You got a lot of speakers.
Maybe somebody is going to be like, all right, you got something.
Maybe you got a weirdness I'm going to be interested in looking into.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So maybe that's worth our time.
So we're going to start here, Jordan, with the Jericho March.
This was hosted by Eric Metaxas.
I'm kind of aware of who this guy is.
He's like a Christian writer and a radio host.
But I really don't know a ton about him, and based on his work emceeing this event...
That will probably be the way it stays because this dude is straight up boring as hell.
jordan holmes
Oh, come on, man.
dan friesen
A whole lot of awful stage patter type material and then just calls to praise the Lord.
mike lindell
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah, so we're starting with the one that's more explicitly religious.
And you get that right from the jump.
jordan holmes
So we're going to get some Ace Freely band talk and then we're going to smooth into the...
dan friesen
First of all, it's Paul Stanley.
jordan holmes
Whatever.
dan friesen
How dare you?
jordan holmes
Whatever.
dan friesen
Yes, Eric Metaxas does have some things he needs to get off his chest.
jordan holmes
Okay, there we go.
dan friesen
He comes in, he's like, hey, what's up, DC?
jordan holmes
I heard y 'all like the taste of alcohol.
All right, let's overthrow democracy forever.
All right, let's move on!
unidentified
Who out there's drinking screwdrivers?
mike lindell
Cold tin!
dan friesen
Who loves fascism?
It doesn't start with that.
It starts very religious.
eric metaxas
We are here.
Because we love the God of the Bible.
We are here because we believe he is the God of history.
We're here because we know that he is the God who does real miracles.
When his remnant cries out to him in humility and love and says, Abba Father, we need you Abba Father.
We are here today.
To cry out to the God of heaven to ask him to have mercy on the greatest nation in the history of the world.
dan friesen
So it's pretty overtly religious.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one's a little bit on the nose.
dan friesen
That's like maybe 15 seconds into the rally.
unidentified
Good.
jordan holmes
I'm glad we got the tone set.
dan friesen
We were worshiping the God of history.
jordan holmes
All right, all right.
dan friesen
Yikes.
This rally itself, this Jericho march, was the product, apparently, of two people who had a vision.
And Eric Metaxas is going to discuss that here.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
eric metaxas
Now, the man and the woman who didn't know each other until a little while ago, Rob Weaver and Irina Grossu, each of them independently, in case you didn't know the story, each of them had an insane vision.
From God.
jordan holmes
How would we know the story?
eric metaxas
Rob Weaver told me this story a few nights ago.
He says he doesn't normally get visions like this, and the Lord woke him up.
It's a dramatic story, and he had this insane open vision of people gathered, blowing shofars.
There were nuns there.
He described it to me exactly.
The bad news is it looked nothing like this, and you guys need to leave right now.
I was kidding.
That was a joke.
He had a vision from God.
When God gives you a vision, you don't need to know anything else.
You just praise him that he cares enough to show you what he is doing.
dan friesen
I have vision questions, too.
We'll learn more about this vision later.
But the thing that I think is interesting is, like, that is a terrible joke.
jordan holmes
I would have to go with yes, that is a terrible joke.
dan friesen
But, like, at the same time, that's what he's doing.
And I think, actually, If I were the promoter or the booker of this, he's a perfect host.
jordan holmes
No, he's doing a great job.
For what he's doing, yeah, yeah, for where he's at.
dan friesen
He comes off slightly charismatic.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
dan friesen
It's not offensive, but you can still tell it's an attempt at humor.
He's personable to the audience that's the target of this rally.
Yeah, but it's also trash.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but it's unmemorably a bad joke where you're like, joke registered, you know what, I'm not going to hold it against you.
We're just going to move on.
dan friesen
It does feel like somebody who's there for a check.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
He's like, I'll get paid.
Gotta clock in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I've done those gigs before.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It's almost a cut-and-paste kind of host joke.
And I think you see a lot of that if you do enough stand-up.
And you can kind of get that vibe from him.
But at the same time, I kind of prefer that to someone who's maybe taken too big a swing.
Sometimes that goes really badly.
jordan holmes
I would give a lot of money to see this guy try and do crowd work at one of these rallies.
That would be brutal.
dan friesen
So we got these two people that had a vision.
One is Rob Weaver.
He is an evangelical Christian.
And then Irina Grossu, who is a Catholic.
And so the two of them both had a vision.
We'll meet them a little bit later, but that's why this is happening.
jordan holmes
Alright, so this is happening because the evangelical Christians and the Catholics have finally both received the independent message from God that they were looking for in order to combine and put aside...
our previous doctrinal differences in order to take back Trump's presidency.
Right.
unidentified
Your whole fucking religion boils down to Trump, you pathetic shitbag.
dan friesen
That's the part that I really have trouble with.
I have nothing against religion.
I have nothing against Christianity.
I have a real problem with the way in which Christianity and Trump are being melded.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, when we're talking about this religion, I'm not going to shit on Christianity as a quote-unquote concept or religion as a whole, but I will say that it is eminently reasonable to shit on your religion if you think that your ultimate battle of good and evil involves Donald fucking Trump.
dan friesen
That is totally...
jordan holmes
Yeah, your religion is so tiny and weak and meaningless if that's what it is.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If it relies on Donald Trump.
dan friesen
Yeah, and when you hear things like this and it's just like, what?
eric metaxas
We are what God is doing in the United States today by his grace.
And today we're going to see heaven move.
Heaven is going to move.
Thank you, Jesus.
Thank you, Jesus.
Before I introduce my friend Mike Lindell, who's going to tell you to use the discount code ERIC, because I would never do that.
That would be self-serving.
Before I introduce Mike Lindell...
I'd like to lead you in the Pledge of Allegiance.
dan friesen
So, like, he's talking about how God is gonna make heaven move, and then immediately he's gonna introduce the MyPillow guy, and he gives a promo code.
jordan holmes
God does not give promo codes!
dan friesen
Mike Lindell does.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I get that, but if you're at a religious...
If somebody gives you a promo code, then leave!
dan friesen
One of the problems that I find with both of these rallies is they are very clearly funded by my pillow.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's very clearly...
jordan holmes
It's SpawnCon?
Is this SpawnCon?
Is that what we're doing?
eric metaxas
I think it might be.
jordan holmes
At your religious rally, there's sponsored content.
Okay, fuck off!
dan friesen
I'm a bit worried that that is the case.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And that means that he gets to speak.
jordan holmes
Well.
dan friesen
He gets a walk-on roll.
jordan holmes
Get to buy your way in.
dan friesen
Yeah, so MyPillow guy...
jordan holmes
Nothing says Jesus more than buying five minutes of stage time.
dan friesen
So right before this event, you know, there had been that Supreme Court had thrown out the case in Pennsylvania.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they screamed it was too legally good.
dan friesen
Yes.
And the MyPillow guy has some news about this that he received.
First of all, he says that Sidney Powell...
Called him at 2 in the morning to give him some news.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
Why is she calling you at 2 in the morning?
jordan holmes
He's the MyPillow guy, Dan.
He's the front coordinator.
dan friesen
I got problems with this story.
mike lindell
Hello, everyone.
I'm going to start off by bringing you some hope.
Last night, about 2 in the morning, I got a text from Sidney Powell's team, and the Texas lawsuits had nothing to do with what she's been working hard on.
And she filed her lawsuits with the Supreme Court for Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Arizona.
And everything that I've been telling you for three weeks now is true.
I have seen it.
The fraud is 100%.
And Donald Trump will be our president for four more years.
dan friesen
Buy a pillow.
Wow.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah, so sorry, I said Pennsylvania.
I meant that Texas space.
I got all these sad attempts to overturn the election mixed up.
But yeah, so he...
I like the idea that Sidney Powell texted him and was like, hey, that had nothing to do with me.
jordan holmes
Don't worry about me.
Don't worry about me.
I'm on crazy adventure number four over here.
dan friesen
This looks like a big setback, but that was not our deal.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
I'm not even there.
Watch out.
I got to watch this guy rip a heart out of another dude.
dan friesen
I like that.
And it does set the tone kind of for the event, and that is everybody is joyous.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Turns out that there was this big setback where Texas and, you know, like all these people had signed on, all these Republican members of the House had signed on with this, and then it didn't work.
It seemed like, hey, you know, that was kind of almost like the Ron Paul winning the Iowa caucus of this cycle.
There's that moment of hope, and then it's gone.
But no, my pillow guy says Sidney Powell texted him at 2 in the morning and said, hey, be cool.
So wild.
jordan holmes
I would buy this making sense if I knew that all of the rich Republicans and business owners and all that stuff were all like...
Buying a lot of property in a different country right now, and all of them slowly moving all of their stuff away.
So I get all this, like, edging with the lawsuits is them buying time to make good their escape before they pull the trigger and everybody explodes, you know?
But otherwise, this doesn't make any sense!
What are you doing?
MyPillow!
You're wasting a lot of money!
dan friesen
He must be making a lot, too, though.
jordan holmes
He must be.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But they don't make any sense.
They're all magic.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
But also, when you consider...
I mean, not, you know...
This guy, the MyPillow guy, is out there, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can see that.
dan friesen
He's the kind of person, basically, you listen to him talk for like two minutes, and you're like, oh yeah, I get why you'd make bad business decisions.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
Here he discusses, in a rambling way, his story of having a prophetic dream about how he was going to meet...
jordan holmes
Why does everybody got dreams all of a sudden?
dan friesen
Everyone.
jordan holmes
I'm sick of dreams!
dan friesen
So he has a dream about how he's going to meet Trump.
And then he does, and look, and also I want to say really quick, he talks a bunch about how he's a recovering crack addict, and I'm not beating up on that, I'm not making fun of that at all, is just sort of background dressing to this story that's important.
mike lindell
I got up to 2015 and I had a dream.
I get these dreams, these prophetic dreams, and one of them was that I would meet Donald Trump in a room.
And I'm going, why would I be meeting with Donald Trump as a person that's an addict or whatever?
I was just some guy from Minnesota, right?
Well...
And the divine appointments kept happening to me.
I was invited to the national prayer breakfast when Ben Carson was still running for president.
jordan holmes
What happened to him?
mike lindell
And I was randomly picked out of 12 people to pray with him in a room.
And I wasn't even saved yet.
jordan holmes
Randomly picked.
mike lindell
I don't know how to pray.
I don't know.
I was all nervous.
But that was set up by God.
And then these things kept happening to the summer of 2016 and I'm on a plane to California and...
And I'm sitting in the bulkhead, and I opened this magazine that was about Donald Trump, and I said, you know, of course, this was the late July of 2016.
And I said, God, if I'm supposed to meet Donald Trump and be part of this, whatever's going on in our country, I need to know right now.
And at that moment in time, my phone dinged, and it was an email.
Mike, this is Donald Trump.
Will you meet me in New York City at Trump Tower?
I go, God?
dan friesen
I don't believe that story.
jordan holmes
I don't believe a word of that bullshit.
Not for one second.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm not buying it.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But it's fun, and the crowd will like it.
Yeah, I just, this story is, I just was listening to this, I'm like, hey man, is this a Jesse Ventura character?
jordan holmes
It kind of feels fucking...
dan friesen
This is Minnesota stuff, man.
jordan holmes
You know, here's the...
dan friesen
That's what I'm saying.
If these dudes sound like Minnesota, it must be.
If they sound almost exactly the same, there's so many vocal similarities to him and Ventura.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
That's fair.
I don't know.
We need to move the pressure now back onto religious people.
You know, it used to be that when you were shitting on religion, that was often...
Uh, discriminatory or being mean.
Now we gotta push the responsibility back on there.
Religious people, if you don't want to be made fun of, don't listen to the MyPillow guy.
That's on you now.
dan friesen
But the problem is he has so much money.
jordan holmes
Yeah, see?
That's still on you.
All religion jokes are fine.
They are non-discriminatory until the majority of religious people are like, let's not do my pillow guy!
dan friesen
I don't agree with that axiom.
I don't agree with that.
But the issue comes down to, like, religion is fine, but this isn't about religion.
This is about wanting a Christian nation.
And my pillow guy is pretty clear about that.
mike lindell
This has been a spiritual battle in our country for decades.
This is a spiritual battle.
And we are in the we're going to this is the start of the greatest revival in history for one nation under God.
And that God is Jesus.
Amen.
unidentified
God bless you all.
jordan holmes
Jesus wouldn't even say he was God.
mike lindell
And we're going to look back and we're going to say it all had to happen in the name of Jesus.
God bless you.
dan friesen
Wow!
eric metaxas
Hallelujah!
I love you, Mikey.
You know, you want to know a miracle of God?
He went 60 seconds short.
Haha!
dan friesen
Good joke.
jordan holmes
Whoa, boy.
That guy is killing it.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, almost everything that Mike is saying, my pillow guy is saying, is like, okay, yeah.
I mean, if that was just at a church revival or something like that, I don't think I'd have any issue with it.
Like, there's an awakening coming, and God is so important in our life.
The problem is, this is a political rally.
I know it's of a religious character, but the reason you're having this rally is because Trump lost an election.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're not having this because of like a...
jordan holmes
No, no, he had a prophetic dream.
dan friesen
It's the combination of the two that's just fucking...
It's terrifying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think probably one of the reasons that I would have an easier time like suggesting that this was...
I suppose...
Non-religious is just because I know too much about how Christianity is supposed to work, according to that book they say they like a lot.
dan friesen
I've read a little bit of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know too much about it.
And all of this stuff is like, we're Christians and we want a Christian nation.
And I'm like, have you motherfuckers even opened it?
dan friesen
And also, here's a promo code for my pillow.
Exactly!
jordan holmes
Exactly!
Fuck exactly!
dan friesen
And the thing that makes me even more scared, really, when I think about it, is that there's this combination of this stuff, this Christian nationalism, and then it's also intersecting with this deification, admiration, and just love of not only Trump, but also General Flynn, who is somebody who's a hero of the QAnon folk and has been QE himself.
And here Eric Metaxas teases Flynn's opinion.
eric metaxas
In a little bit, we have General Michael Flynn is coming.
Oh, oh, then you've heard of him.
Oh, I'm so impressed.
Very good.
You guys, that's awesome.
He is such a hero.
He has been through such hell.
He's a patriot.
He believes in the Lord of the Bible.
Alright, a lot of the people of this godless administration love Jesus.
Don't you find that ironic?
dan friesen
I don't know what he's even saying.
jordan holmes
I don't know what that's supposed to mean at all.
dan friesen
No, but you asked for, like, why is he a hero, and then Metaxas told you, because he believes in the God of the Bible.
jordan holmes
I really don't feel like that's enough.
dan friesen
I mean, that's what they're saying.
jordan holmes
I think another problem I have is that they are cheering for thoroughly fictitious people.
dan friesen
Flynn?
The imaginary Flynn?
jordan holmes
Yeah, the imaginary Flynn is who they are cheering for.
Michael Flynn has no resemblance to that character whatsoever.
eric metaxas
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's a shitbag from way before.
If they knew his history, they would...
dan friesen
If I were him, I would lean into the fanfiction, too.
jordan holmes
Way more the fanfiction.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Your actual track record is fucking evil.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So now, Metaxas brings out Rob Weaver and Irina Grossu, who are the evangelical and the Catholic dreamers.
jordan holmes
Yes, yes, yes.
dan friesen
And Rob...
I would say his description of this vision that he had is a little bit lackluster.
unidentified
This event will be going on for the next few hours.
Lots of speakers, more music.
But I want to tell you about how it started.
On November 5th, I was really troubled by the election and what I knew was wrong.
I think everybody in this country knows that something is wrong.
Can I get an amen, anyone?
So, I called out to God and...
I literally felt something pushing in my side in the morning.
Quite frankly, I thought it was a remote, but it wasn't.
Something was pushing.
I heard a voice that said, it's not over.
So can I hear it's not over?
Because God said it's not over.
When?
And the next part of the vision, I sat down and I literally saw this.
And I saw marches going around the Capitol.
I saw marches going around all six of the swing states that are also going on today.
So hello, if you guys can hear us there.
So every one of them, let's give them a shout.
So this was birthed from a vision or a miracle.
dan friesen
That's not much of a vision.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So, does that mean that, uh...
dan friesen
God was poking him?
jordan holmes
Well, does that mean that for, like, say, the women's march, was that inspired by God?
dan friesen
Must have been.
jordan holmes
Or did the devil send that dream?
dan friesen
Devil, probably.
jordan holmes
Are God and the devil only sending competing dreams for rallies and shit now?
dan friesen
Devil's clearly a better organizer.
It does seem like that.
Because the turnouts have been much larger.
unidentified
Huge, huge.
dan friesen
To the point where these MAGA folk will just post pictures of lefty marches.
jordan holmes
Their marches.
Yeah, it does.
Seems strange.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They should get in contact with the devil.
He knows it's up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He has a good street team.
Yeah.
So the Rob and Arena are just there and, you know, they had their vision.
unidentified
Hooray.
dan friesen
Good for them.
jordan holmes
I had a dream of people walking around D.C. which could never have been given to me from any other source other than God.
dan friesen
And he got poked.
Oh, that's true.
So then they have a prayer.
There's a lot of praying on this.
A lot of people, through both of these rallies, everybody wants to get up there and do the Lord's Prayer.
jordan holmes
Gotta do a good prayer!
You know, like how in the book it said, make sure that you pray loudly and performatively for others and not for God.
dan friesen
It reminds me of like, okay, so like in early times in wrestling, you didn't want in your first match someone to go through a table.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Let's say.
Because then if you want to do that in the headlining match.
jordan holmes
Already seen it.
Gotta escalate.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I feel like everybody is not respecting that in terms of the Lord's Prayer.
Like, everyone's doing it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But everyone wants to...
Can you...
I don't know.
It's just...
It feels less...
jordan holmes
Save your Lord's Prayer for the end of the show.
dan friesen
Right.
Or Flynn.
I mean, he's clearly the headliner.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's his to do or not do.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Anyway, they pray, and we get a prayer that Steve Pchenik would be very proud of.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And then the stage gets interrupted.
unidentified
Father, I pray a special blessing on Melania Trump, one of the best first ladies we've ever had in history.
And I'm so tired of people coming against her, Father.
So go on her behalf, I pray, and her children, and all of the children, in Jesus' mighty name.
Thank you, Lord.
Amen.
Thank you, guys.
Actually, we want to introduce these.
Ollie Alexander from Stop the Seal.
dan friesen
So, Ollie had sort of walked out on stage at the end of their prayer.
jordan holmes
See, the devil's a way better organizer.
dan friesen
So, Ollie walks out along with Ed Martin of the Phyllis Schlafly Eagle Forum.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
And they are apparently partnered with the Jericho March.
And that's kind of interesting.
Because Ali starts talking about, like, you know, hey, we got a lot of fun things coming up.
We got General Flynn.
This is something that really struck my ears.
ali alexander
Today is going to be historic.
We have General Flynn.
We'll have the president in the sky or on the road.
And we got a couple other characters in a spirit of unification.
Thank y 'all.
dan friesen
We got a couple other characters in the spirit of unification.
That's very strange.
Also, the president's in the sky.
They have been promoting that Trump is going to fly over in Marine One.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
And I think he does show up during Flynn's speech.
Maybe?
I don't know.
There was a helicopter flying over at some point.
jordan holmes
Straight up.
We're doing straight up fascist Nazi imagery.
dan friesen
I honestly don't know if Trump was even in it.
jordan holmes
No, I doubt he was.
ali alexander
Why would you?
dan friesen
You wouldn't need to be.
jordan holmes
You don't need to be.
Yeah, they'll just see the helicopter and be like, yeah, the president's in there.
Why would you actually go?
dan friesen
He's a symbol of president.
jordan holmes
What, is he gonna wave out the helicopter window?
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
So, Ed Martin of the Eagle Forum, the Schleifle Eagles.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Fighting Schleifle.
dan friesen
While he's up on stage, he's a...
The magnanimous type.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
And he wants to give it up to the good media.
jordan holmes
Ooh.
unidentified
Hey, guys, we're going to...
Right now, I'd ask you to join me in prayer, if you don't mind.
Before we do, I want to say thank you to the Epoch Times for helping stream so much of this live.
Josh and RSBN, the brothers at RSBN, brothers and sisters, thank you for what you do to make it so people...
Yeah, and Victory TV and One America News.
I mean, go down the list, right?
And I just want to say...
When we gathered at the Capitol the other day, around the world, in Japan, in China, in Taiwan, around the world, they're looking at America because we're a beacon on the hill.
And we can't let the light go out.
There cannot be the light going out for the world and for each other.
Let's pray.
dan friesen
One name.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Conspicuous in its absence on that list.
Especially considering this dude standing right next to Ali Alexander, who's constantly on InfoWars.
jordan holmes
All these great media outlets really doing everything for it.
I can't get to them all.
I'm going to name as many as I can.
Epic is great.
One American News.
Look, I'm running out of time.
I can't.
eric metaxas
No plugs for InfoWars.
jordan holmes
I just want to say, you know, yeah.
dan friesen
So, look, they may not plug InfoWars, but they are willing to let Alex give a little speech.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so at this point, the Mission Impossible theme plays.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
eric metaxas
Here it comes.
Folks, in the spirit of unity, I'd like to bring out my new friend, Alex Jones, is it?
I think his name is Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I can't believe that many people cheer for him.
You know?
unidentified
Yeah!
See, this makes sense, though.
dan friesen
It does.
jordan holmes
Like, as a wrestling...
This is a wrestling show.
This is what you want.
You bring Alex down here to be like, Yeah!
eric metaxas
That's what you want!
dan friesen
And that's why people are cheering.
He is a star.
jordan holmes
He's a show, yeah.
dan friesen
You want to hear Rob and Irina Grossu talk about their lackluster dream?
jordan holmes
I had a dream that people would be here.
dan friesen
How excited are you going to get for the MyPillow guy telling a long story about his dream?
unidentified
I think it was December 20th.
jordan holmes
No, this was November 11th.
unidentified
No, this was December 20th at 4.15pm.
dan friesen
Eric Metexas is a good host or whatever to keep the thing.
Moving along, but he's not going to get you riled up.
No.
Alex fucking Jones is.
jordan holmes
That's what he's going to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what he's there for.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
Now, it's embarrassing.
jordan holmes
Barry.
dan friesen
Your rally is now the one that allowed Alex to speak at it.
So congratulations for that.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
But Alex does what Alex does, and that is more or less just...
Yell his ass off about nonsense.
jordan holmes
Like what they want.
dan friesen
Applause line.
Exactly.
Applause line.
alex jones
And Jesus Christ is king!
Not David Rockefeller, not Bill Gates, not Barack Obama, not Joe Biden, but Jesus Christ is king!
And God gave us and rose up Donald Trump.
To stand against the enemy and draw out the enemy.
So as dark as some of these days are, understand this is the beginning of the great revival before the Antichrist comes.
dan friesen
Two quick points.
Two quick points.
I thought Obama was the Antichrist, Alex.
And the second point, I believe on our last episode he was calling Marilyn Monroe a cum-dum.
jordan holmes
Yes, he was doing that.
Where are we?
There's a little bit going on.
dan friesen
What are we doing?
jordan holmes
I like the idea of Jesus standing next to Alex Jones giving him that.
unidentified
Hey, but I'm about peace.
jordan holmes
I was going to feed all these people?
Okay, well, let's just get past that part then.
Let's just get to the Book of Revelation.
Did you know that the Antichrist convinces almost all Christians to believe in him over...
dan friesen
We got a blowout sale!
jordan holmes
It's actually almost like...
So they would focus on a single person instead of the Lord and really be like, this person is the true leader and we're going to give all of our allegiances to him without thinking about it.
And then because of that...
dan friesen
You sound like a damn globalist.
jordan holmes
You know what?
You're right.
I'm going to have to go.
dan friesen
So it turns out we're in Revelation, according to Alex.
And again, this is all just applause lines.
alex jones
World government!
Implantable microchips.
Satanism.
It's out of the open.
The Bible is fulfilled.
Revelation is fulfilled.
Jesus Christ is fulfilled.
God Almighty is in charge.
unidentified
And we follow that mighty God.
Is this who?
alex jones
You look at the miserable globalists.
You look at people like Bill Gates.
And you look at people like...
Mark Zuckerberg and the rest of them.
jordan holmes
Nice.
alex jones
They are miserable slaves of Satan.
And we pray for them and hope that the Holy Spirit can still touch their soul.
dan friesen
Like, this is embarrassing, but you get why people enjoy this.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, this is great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's incredibly dumb.
This is what you go for.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He at least has star quality.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Whatever it is.
But you can also tell if you watch this that it really takes a lot out of him.
Like, you can tell.
He's pushing to get all this yelling going.
jordan holmes
He's exhausted.
This is difficult.
He's not a young man anymore.
dan friesen
No, but you gotta do it.
alex jones
We pray for President Donald John Trump in this incredibly serious moment.
And we pray for all the women in America who the system's trying to lie to to kill their babies.
And we say, don't kill your babies!
The enemy has been forced out in the open.
World government is here.
And the system is publicly stealing this election from the biggest landslide and the biggest political realignment since 1776!
dan friesen
I mean, just every single line.
He knows how to frame a sentence in a way that will end with, like, incitement, almost.
Not in, like, a necessarily bad way, but, like, you know, you see comedians who, like, you know, structuring a line, you know, like, oh, what you're saying is funny, but the way you've written that or the way you're saying that is not funny.
It doesn't lead people to the reaction that you're looking for.
Whereas Alex, every single sentence that he's saying is specifically meant to make people yell at the end of it.
And that's, I mean, don't do this in the middle of your event.
I don't think it's a good idea.
You're going to make everyone else look like trash.
jordan holmes
It's poor quality.
dan friesen
Just don't let him on your show at all.
jordan holmes
How is it that I could...
I could run a better fucking rally just using the same principles of booking a show.
A comedy show.
dan friesen
I bet you couldn't though because you'd have no idea who any of these people are.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
I wouldn't have them at my rally.
dan friesen
You'd see a bunch of random names on a list like, what?
I don't know what this person's like.
jordan holmes
I wonder if I could do that.
That would be an interesting challenge.
Give me ten seconds of each of these people speaking and I'll see if I can't make a lineup out of them that would make more sense.
dan friesen
That would be a great idea.
jordan holmes
Wouldn't that be a fun game?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I might try and put that together.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun.
dan friesen
All right.
So anyway, the big problem that I see with all of this, and I'm going to keep stressing this, is the insistence on what you'd describe as Christian nationalism and the idea that your God is the only real God.
Right.
Just imagining being someone who is not a Christian of this stripe in the audience.
Think about how uncomfortable you'd be.
alex jones
Our God is the God of the universe.
Our God is the God of strength and honor and will.
And God is in control.
And God is on our side!
dan friesen
Because it's not, like, it's the Jericho March, and you know, there is a religious character to it, but it's also partnered with Ali Alexander in Stop the Steal and the Phyllis Schlafly Eagle Forum.
You know, like, it's not just, it's just, it's terrifying.
jordan holmes
I mean, everything that they're saying, though, is screaming out a different form of, we cannot coexist.
dan friesen
We will not accept coexisting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's us or nothing.
That's it.
dan friesen
Yeah, there is a...
And to be fair, so far the main speakers that we've heard are the MyPillow guy and Alex.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So that's not, you know, to be indicative of like everybody is unable to coexist.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
These voices that are being welcomed here are fucked.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, but even then, like the best you could say for so many of these people would be like, hey, hey, we can coexist.
dan friesen
So many people who have no idea about anything that has to do with the religion of Christianity think that the crucifixion was a bad thing.
You know, like, oh no, if only we could have stopped it.
jordan holmes
No, that's not how it worked!
It was almost, like, crucial.
dan friesen
Yeah, no one really thinks that it was necessary for the atonement.
unidentified
It was almost preordained, if you will.
dan friesen
Yeah, but Alex also understands this.
He's not one of these guys who would have, like, tackled the Romans.
jordan holmes
So Judas is a good guy, then?
dan friesen
I don't know.
alex jones
Christ's crucifixion was not our defeat!
It was our greatest victory!
When he rose again on the third day, he broke the chains of hell and death.
We have the deed to this planet.
We have the deed to eternal life.
And we praise Jesus Christ and the Father.
jordan holmes
Wow, that's scary.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's terrifying.
dan friesen
He has the deed to the planet.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, that's pretty much the most terrifying thing that somebody could scream at me.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex gets into the First Amendment and stuff about freedom of religion, but he's also gone too fast.
He's burned a lot of gas.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's out of it.
dan friesen
Yeah, and so he has a little trouble.
alex jones
Congress shall make no law establishing the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion for the exercise thereof.
Our forebearers did not have separation of church and state as they spin it.
It means the state has no jurisdiction over any of us.
jordan holmes
That's not true.
dan friesen
That's quite an extension of the state has no jurisdiction over any of us.
jordan holmes
It's quite a conclusion.
I'm pretty sure they weren't like, Congress shall make no law with respect to the free exercise of religion.
But what that actually means is, Christians are free of laws!
We get to live however we want to!
dan friesen
Yeah, if you can just create an excuse that's religiously based in heavy quotes, then the state can't do anything.
Like, you can kill for your religion?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I feel like that's what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Pretty much, yeah.
dan friesen
But also, it's like, these thoughts are not...
Fleshed out.
unidentified
No, no.
dan friesen
It's just yelling.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and they're there for people to scream hooray at.
dan friesen
You bet.
Yeah, you bet.
And here was Alex's lightning rod that he put out in order to get attention.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So I don't know who's going to the White House in 38 days, but I sure know this.
Joe Biden is a globalist, and Joe Biden will be removed one way or another.
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
So that was the clip that got the big amount of attention on the internet because people fairly accurately interpret that as a veiled threat towards Joe Biden.
jordan holmes
Oh, why is that?
dan friesen
I get that response, but it's also exactly why Alex said what he said.
It's almost certainly not legally actionable as a threat, and if the Secret Service end up talking to him about it, that's even better.
jordan holmes
That's super cool for him.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex would love that.
jordan holmes
I got a visit from the Secret Service so you know that what I said was powerful.
dan friesen
Yep, they're scared of me.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Honestly, when I heard that, I thought it was pretty tame for Alex.
Considering how up in arms people were, there were articles written about it.
I guess it takes on a slightly different character when he's yelling those things in front of a crowd who then cheer, but if you heard Alex say this and you think that's him crossing a line, all that means is that you never listen to him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, I saw his name in the news and I was like, well, can't check on that, but...
If that's what it was for, Dan, I have surprising news for a lot of people.
dan friesen
Yeah, that line there is an attention trap.
That is a trap that people fall into, and I understand why they do, and I honestly don't know if the best thing to do is ignore it, but if you pay attention to it...
That gives him free press, and that's why he implied on a stage that Biden would be removed one way or another.
jordan holmes
I mean, I guess with Alex, the reality is he has nothing to back that threat up with at all.
And all he gets from it is attention for making that threat.
And, you know.
I understand why you'd be like, hey, what the fuck is going on here?
But at the same time, it's like, Alex is going, Alex makes money because he says stupid shit like that and you go, oh my god, no!
And then we do it all in two months.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, that's kind of the theme of this show.
Yeah.
So Alex slows down a little bit and wants to talk about my man G-Dubs, George Washington.
jordan holmes
Oh.
alex jones
Our great first president.
We literally are here on his farm.
That's where we're at.
George Washington didn't want to be king.
And every served two terms that set that precedent, he left.
He was a very quiet man.
I didn't talk about his beliefs when he was a Christian.
But those that knew him privately knew, he knew God controlled battlefields.
God controlled governments.
God controls the gangs.
And all his success was because of his love of God.
dan friesen
So this rally is being held on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. George Washington's farm is now a national landmark called Mount Vernon, which is about 16 miles south and in the state of Virginia.
jordan holmes
Nah, come on now.
dan friesen
As for Washington's religious beliefs, that's actually a matter that even scholars in the field of George Washington studies aren't fully settled on.
Mostly because of what Alex brings up, and he is correct.
Like, Washington was really private about his beliefs.
The point is, Alex can make that claim about Washington knowing that God runs everything and all this in this serious...
Yeah, I mean...
jordan holmes
Looking at what they do with a guy who is alive and real and how they've created a false story for him, we have no chance of them not trying to claim the founding father said fucking whatever it is they want.
dan friesen
True.
So Alex gets back to talking about how his God is the real God.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
So never forget, we worship the true God that created the universe and all of us!
And the satanic globalists trying to take control of us and trying to play God are fallen and are failed, and we need to just keep our eyes on Christ and never back down and never surrender.
Woo!
jordan holmes
Keep your eyes on Christ and away from politics, like he said.
You remember how he said that?
dan friesen
Also, get ready to overthrow the government.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
I don't recall him being like, render unto Caesar what Caesar's, because we're going to fuck him up later.
dan friesen
So, you were making a joke about Jesus standing next to Alex on stage.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's not there.
jordan holmes
He's not there.
dan friesen
But somebody is.
And that's Owen Schreier.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Slight downgrade.
jordan holmes
A little bit down.
A little bit down.
dan friesen
Owen Schreier is standing there on stage, and Alex hands the mic off to him.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Now listen to this clip.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, Owen.
dan friesen
Listen to this clip of Alex saying, oh, he's going to let Owen talk, because it sounds like he's going to do a fucking ad.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He doesn't, but it sounds like he's about to do an ad.
alex jones
I'm going to turn this over to my buddy for two minutes.
My great co-host at Infowars.com, Owen Schreier.
And then the next great...
The next great...
Guests are coming up here, but remember this!
dan friesen
It really sounds like...
jordan holmes
The next great guest, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It really sounds like he's about to...
jordan holmes
Remember this!
dan friesen
...sell Prostegard.
jordan holmes
We are having our Easter sale in December!
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
So Alex finishes up his stuff before he hands off the baton to Owen.
You know how 666 is the devil's number?
Sure, why not?
1776, that's God's number.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it doesn't sound right.
alex jones
Remember this!
God ordained this republic to stand against the satanic empires, the Nazis and the communists and others.
And so, 1776 is God's number of victory over the satanic 1984.
God bless you all.
And I salute you.
Thank you, Jesus.
dan friesen
And that's Alex's speech.
jordan holmes
So important numbers to God.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's a real numbers guy.
1776 is God's number because the United States was ordained by God to stand up to Nazis.
jordan holmes
Yep, I remember that.
dan friesen
There's a little complexity to that.
jordan holmes
I mean, so what happened then whenever we grabbed all their scientists and then weren't like, hey, could you guys quit being Nazi?
And we're just like, eh, you guys are great.
dan friesen
Can you phrase that question in number form?
jordan holmes
1944?
dan friesen
So Owen...
He's not great after that, because how could you be?
Sure.
I mean, Alex just yelled applause line after applause line.
He's worn out the audience for excitement.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Owen, this is so great.
God, what a sad man.
unidentified
Boy, look at what we have here today.
What started with one man on public access television is now millions of Americans in the streets of D.C. So many problems.
jordan holmes
Started with one man on local access television.
dan friesen
He's pretending that Alex did all of this.
Like, he created this entire event.
They're only all there for him.
And then he's also saying that there's millions of people there, which there are not.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
There are not.
There are too many.
jordan holmes
Owen, Owen, Owen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So we've got to do a little admin at this point.
Eric Bataxas comes out, and he's got to maybe, you know, reset the room a little bit.
People got a little bit too excited.
jordan holmes
It's like at the dance hall.
The DJ can only play so many bangers in a row before you gotta have one where everybody gets to sit down and maybe slow dance.
You know, that kind of thing.
dan friesen
I think people got too excited and they're whipping their flags all around and it's a problem.
eric metaxas
I've got a little housekeeping.
They said to me that these flags in the front, when there's a speaker, they're blocking the video and this is being live streamed all over the place.
So if you could just drop the flags whenever the speaker is speaking or the prayer is praying, Yeah, so they need to get those flags down.
jordan holmes
That's a weird...
That's a weird little bit of just tossed off...
dan friesen
I don't know what's going on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know what that flag he's referring to is.
jordan holmes
And also, there is a brown station wagon with its horns going off right now.
Could somebody please...
It's a brown station wagon.
License plate CE9429.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, he gets these flags down.
Right in time.
jordan holmes
Right in time.
dan friesen
For the man, the myth.
Ali Alexander to come out and give a little bit of a speech.
And he's basically out here saying, hey man, look, now is the time that moral people, moral people, are deciding whether or not this presidency and this government itself is legit.
jordan holmes
Great.
ali alexander
I think that we are making history.
I think that today, today, is when moral Americans are deciding whether our government is legitimate or illegitimate.
I think that this is a signal to the deep state that we're not going to tolerate a Joe Biden presidency, are we?
jordan holmes
We're not going to tolerate it!
dan friesen
Yeah, so he's saying essentially that all of us are going to determine whether or not this is a legitimate government and the deciding thing will be whether or not Trump is installed again.
And, great.
Ali is a little threatening.
There's an interesting thing that I noticed through these two rallies.
The one with the women for Trump is largely not about destroying the GOP.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Ali is threatening the GOP.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
I don't know if every speaker here is interested in destroying the Republican Party, but Ali, who's one of the organizers of this, is definitely...
Open to that discussion.
jordan holmes
I think it's a great discussion to have.
dan friesen
So not only will he destroy the GOP, he will also shut down all of the cities in this country.
jordan holmes
All of them, Allie.
ali alexander
Our truckers will shut down the city.
jordan holmes
Unionize!
Why isn't anybody clapping?
ali alexander
We will build an Occupy DC full of patriots here, won't we?
unidentified
Nope.
ali alexander
We can do all things through Christ who strengthens us.
So to my Republican colleagues, put down those flags so that they can stream.
Please.
Yes, you.
Thank you.
dan friesen
Really hung up on those flags.
jordan holmes
How can you want to be led by such whiners like these people?
dan friesen
Very soft.
jordan holmes
They're such whiners.
dan friesen
So Ali, he's going to shut everything down, and he's going to do this with the help of cool media outlets.
ali alexander
Huge shout out to RSBN.
jordan holmes
Whoa.
unidentified
RSBN.
ali alexander
And One America News.
unidentified
One America News.
ali alexander
And Newsmax.
Newsmax.
unidentified
That was loud.
ali alexander
Epic Time.
jordan holmes
Epic Time.
unidentified
NTDTV.
Never heard of it.
ali alexander
We don't need Fox News anymore, do we?
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
No Infowars.
jordan holmes
You just had...
Alex Jones up here!
dan friesen
You basically work there!
jordan holmes
Why didn't you say it in the wars?
dan friesen
Alex's whole premise is like, no one will say it in wars because we're too dangerous.
You have Ali Alexander.
jordan holmes
You guys won't say it in wars because you're too toxic.
dan friesen
That is something that is very consistent.
That is so funny.
He is still on the outside, even with this completely wacky media landscape.
So Allie is really thrilled about this guy named Mo Brooks, who apparently has come out.
He's a member of Congress in the House.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's said that, hey, look, even if the Electoral College comes back and says, like, hey, Biden's the president, I'm going to object.
You got it, man!
jordan holmes
You took him down!
dan friesen
Allie is excited.
ali alexander
Thank God for Congressman Mo Brooks!
He has said that he will object to the House certification on January 6th.
And we need some of his colleagues to join him, don't we?
We expect them to join him, don't we?
Or we will throw them out of office.
dan friesen
Good luck.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it doesn't stop there.
The threats against the Republicans who don't support Mo Brooks.
jordan holmes
Threaten them.
ali alexander
So I want to tell the Republican Party that if one of these senators do not join Mo Brooks, we will burn the Republican Party down.
And we will make something new.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're so threatening.
dan friesen
I mean, look, I would say that that response is a little bit not good that we have.
And that is because, like, well, in 2009, some of the similar rhetoric was flying around at early Tea Party rallies.
And it would have been very easy to be like, yes, destroy the Republican Party.
unidentified
But you see that when that effort happens, it's not like it cripples the party.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
It ends up pushing extreme voices closer to the mainstream.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Or the mainstream goes towards the crazy voices, as is more often the case.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
And we end up where we are now.
dan friesen
So I don't think that they're gonna be capable of doing this.
But encouraging this sort of inner GOP fighting I don't know if it's great.
Because it does also lead to the possibility of people like Ali or Nick Cuentes or Alex Jones coming into a more relevant position than they would be otherwise.
jordan holmes
I think you're right, presupposing that we do nothing, which is what happened with the Tea Party.
We all sat by and laughed as they fought, and we were like, ha ha ha, let them fight, instead of using this as an opportunity for...
To sabotage both wings and fuck them up together.
Like, what we're doing is watching.
Like, what they have done so successfully is...
Constantly push a wedge between the left and the center and the Democratic Party.
That's the best thing that the Republicans know how to do, is whenever there's the internecine squabbles from the Democrats, the Republicans jump in and start throwing shit at the wall, too, to see if they can cause more conflagrations in between us.
And every time this happens on the right, the Democrats look back and they're like, well, I bet the reasonable heads shall prevail this time.
And it's insane!
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, that does seem to be...
I don't know, it's tough because I do want to laugh also.
jordan holmes
Yeah, me too, it's so funny.
dan friesen
I'd like to find a way to use this as a politically useful moment, but also laugh.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, I think...
dan friesen
That's the challenge.
jordan holmes
Like, I feel for these idiots, kind of, in a way.
Not the leaders.
I mean the people at the rally.
dan friesen
Yeah, I feel for people's aunts and uncles and grandparents.
Like, I feel for them.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't feel for Allie.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
No, I mean the people in the rally.
Because they are being told...
dan friesen
Don't feel for Allie, feel for the rally.
jordan holmes
Yes.
No, I mean, the thing that I want to scream at all of these people is, look...
If you want what they are telling you you want to get, then you have to start a shooting war.
Those are your options.
None of this shit that they're selling you is real.
They're wasting your time.
So if you really want to balls up, then start a shooting war or stop going to these dumbass rallies!
dan friesen
The people who are taking the rhetoric that you are digesting seriously are beating up people on the streets.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
That is the unfortunate reality of the rhetoric and what you are acclimating yourself to.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, that would be worthwhile for them to realize.
And the fruition of, like, specifically what this type of rally is about, like, you get your goals, you end up in a Christian theocracy.
And I don't think that anybody, I don't think most people really actually...
Want that.
jordan holmes
No!
You know all those people who love Christianity and they're super religious, but then they get into those situations where they have to apply it and they're like, well, maybe not this time.
You know what?
I'm still a morally good person, but this time I'm not going to act in this way.
You know, tonight I'm going to go out and get drunk and I'm going to have a really good night.
And instead in a Christian theocracy, you're fucking killed for it.
You know, like it's that kind of shit.
dan friesen
Let's say you're a pastor and you marry, you know, you're already married and then you end up...
Like, banging around with the secretary at your church.
Totally.
You know, I mean, under a Christian theocracy, you will not do as well as you do under a liberal republic.
jordan holmes
A little bit different.
You know how rich Christians still seem to get all the abortions that they want to get?
dan friesen
It is weird.
jordan holmes
It is weird.
dan friesen
So, Ali Alexander, he thinks he's a mastermind.
And I gotta say, this next clip just sounds like he thinks he's a Bond villain.
And he's coming out to this rally and like, here is our grand plan.
jordan holmes
Oh boy, so he's role-playing it.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a little cringy.
ali alexander
So the plan in January is to start organizing y 'all.
We're gonna go into the county parties.
We're gonna go into the district parties.
And we're gonna go to the state conventions of the Republican Party.
And we're taking over all 50 states.
We are going to work with the Jericho March.
We are going to work with Alex Jones.
We are going to work with anyone who will work with us, aren't we?
And let me just tell you how deep this goes, because I've been in this business for 14 years, and finally the movement has a strategist.
I sat across, and I'm not going to say his name, a state party chair, and I said, hey, buddy, we've known each other for 12 years.
You're up for re-election in May.
I'm going to flood your state convention.
And then after we take over all of the positions, We're then going to call a quorum and then we're going to impeach the rest of the officers, aren't we?
I'm a dangerous black man who knows Robert's Rules of Order.
jordan holmes
Wow.
ali alexander
So the Republican Party, I just want them to hear this message.
Look at this crowd.
We are the people that you must represent or we're going to replace you with patriots.
jordan holmes
That's called voting!
dan friesen
Yeah, I think he's basically...
jordan holmes
Did he just discover voting?
dan friesen
I think he discovered community organizing.
I think so.
The thing that they have decried the left doing.
jordan holmes
Hate it so much because it's cheating.
dan friesen
Focusing on local politics.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
Scary.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
See, this is why it's hard to take Alex's threats seriously.
Like, we're going to kill Joe Biden!
Immediately following, like, what we're going to do is we're going to go and we're going to get a quorum.
dan friesen
Quorum!
jordan holmes
What are we talking about?
dan friesen
I know, Robert's Rules of Order.
Yeah, what?
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
I bet he doesn't.
jordan holmes
I'm going to follow Patton into battle if he gives a speech like, Robert's rules of order are dangerous in the wrong hands.
dan friesen
Patton is actually on my mind quite a bit throughout this.
And I think it's probably because General Flynn, I watched him give the same speech twice.
I just kept thinking, like, this is not Patton.
This is bad.
jordan holmes
That's what I keep hearing.
When you hear nationalist propaganda, you want it to be Patton, right?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, that's what Alex...
This is trying to be.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And a lot of these people are just absolutely whiffing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, not good.
dan friesen
And granted, they're still bad and scary, but...
Anyway, Allie ends his speech by talking a little bit about how God is giving him science.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This is upsetting.
ali alexander
The last thing I'll say, and I'll probably be back up on stage later, is that we have God's favor.
One day I'm going to tell you guys all the stories, but this sun coming out like this, this is God.
He has gone ahead of us.
I have been to ten different states and it's not rained once.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out.
ali alexander
To God be the glory.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out!
No!
No!
God damn it!
dan friesen
Have you ever been to ten states and it didn't rain once?
Can you say that?
jordan holmes
I guess I can't.
Or maybe I can.
I don't know.
Does flying count?
What if I flew over ten states and it didn't rain once?
Does that count?
dan friesen
Were you above the rain?
jordan holmes
What counts?
God damn it.
This is how I feel every time somebody tells me about ghosts.
Every time somebody's like, oh, you don't believe in ghosts?
I've got a ghost story.
I'm like, tell me about how the sun shined for ten states.
Fuck you.
dan friesen
It didn't rain.
jordan holmes
God, it's a ghost.
dan friesen
Didn't rain.
Didn't rain.
jordan holmes
Oh, ghosts are real.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Didn't rain.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
All right.
All right, reverse Douglas Adams, rain god.
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
So, after Allie gets done, they have another speaker, and this is a guy by the name of Leon Benjamin.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Who's a bishop, but I should also tell you that this year- A bishop of what?
I had a church.
This year he also lost the race for the 4th District of Virginia seat in the House of Representatives.
jordan holmes
That's a bummer.
dan friesen
He also probably would have lost in the primary, like all the ding-dongs that we talk about on this show, but he ran unopposed until the general election, and then he lost by quite a margin.
jordan holmes
Quite a margin.
dan friesen
Quite a margin.
What are you saying?
38 to 61, I think.
jordan holmes
38 to 61?
That's not as big a margin as I would hope.
No, but it's still pretty big.
It's still pretty big, but it's never big enough.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Eric Metaxas brings Bishop Leon Benjamin up.
And man, I gotta say, I thought that maybe this was a racist event, but man, this cleared it up.
eric metaxas
I heard, I keep hearing that we're all racists, and yet every now and again I bump into a black man at these events.
What is happening?
What is happening?
jordan holmes
That's not supposed to be the narrative.
eric metaxas
What are you talking about?
Aren't we supposed to be all about white nationalism?
I keep reading that, and you're screwing that up.
This is Bishop Leon Benjamin.
He's got a shofar.
At the end of what he says, he's going to play the flight of the bumblebee.
Don't miss it.
dan friesen
Another bad joke.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah, well, they're not racist.
That's cool.
Anyway, Leon...
jordan holmes
Did he just make a minstrel joke while saying he wasn't being racist?
dan friesen
It might be on the cusp.
I'm not entirely sure.
So, Leon is really into Christian nationalism.
unidentified
There are walls that must come down.
This is history.
Today is December 12th.
12, the number for government.
That means a fresh anointing is about to come on this nation.
jordan holmes
Love is a number for government?
unidentified
An anointing that we have never felt before.
An anointing we have never seen before.
Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah!
And he will rule in America!
jordan holmes
Man.
Man.
White nationalists just really miss out on a lot of great black...
Uh-huh.
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So it's nice that they get this one, but it's a real bummer.
dan friesen
Well, that's the advantage of Christian nationalism.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I guess.
dan friesen
You know?
unidentified
Yeah, you still get it.
dan friesen
You have inclusive of different...
jordan holmes
Still get a few good talkers here and there.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes, sir?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I know that we've heard a lot about wee etches over the course of the time of doing this show.
jordan holmes
They're fucking everywhere.
dan friesen
It's true.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But we've not really...
Gotten any good advice about what to do about them?
That's true.
How do you talk to a witch?
jordan holmes
How do you deal with witches?
unidentified
This is what I learned about witchcraft.
You gotta tell a witch, you gotta look them right in the eye and say, I'm coming after you.
This is your last day.
This is your last time.
Every curse you cursed against our president and against our nation is gonna double fold back on your head.
dan friesen
You have to be direct with witches.
You understand?
That's the advice.
jordan holmes
I just, I'm just, all I'm thinking is Wizard of Oz, Dorothy wakes up, Glenda the Good Witch shows up and she's just like, You get the fuck out of my face!
I will come and kill you!
dan friesen
You listen to me.
I'm going back to Kansas.
That's how you deal with witches.
jordan holmes
That's how you deal with witches.
dan friesen
So Leon scares the hell out of me, quite frankly, because he says stuff like this.
unidentified
But when you shout, just understand you're shouting for not only this generation, but you're shouting a legacy for the next generation.
Because the demons we kill now, our children will not have to fight these devils.
These are our devils and we will kill them now.
They will not fight our children.
jordan holmes
Man!
dan friesen
I understand that there's some rhetorical license that you're not maybe intending to talk about killing humans and your political enemies, but you're at a political rally, and you're talking about these demons and these devils that we're up against, and the conversation very easily, it could be understood as...
People who wear black and you think they're in Antifa?
Maybe someone at a Black Lives Matter rally?
Maybe these are the demons that you don't want your children to have to fight.
jordan holmes
Everyone you get rid of is one your children doesn't have to fight.
dan friesen
Right.
I don't think that you could make a legally reasonable case that this is somebody...
Threatening or inciting people to kill other people.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But it's reckless.
It's recklessly expressed ideas.
jordan holmes
That's a great speech if it's 1977 and you're talking about climate change.
dan friesen
Every bit of...
Greenhouse gas that we get rid of is one that our kids don't have to deal with.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
If you kind of put it that way.
jordan holmes
Then it makes great sense.
It's a good thing to do, in fact.
dan friesen
Somewhat.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex Jones gave his speech, and then a little video came out of him backstage.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
He ran into General Flynn.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
And this is really, really funny.
jordan holmes
I had some words?
dan friesen
I recommend people go find this video.
Since we're an audio podcast, I'll play the audio, and then I'll explain what happened.
unidentified
Crazy day, huh?
This is crazy.
dan friesen
You scared?
jordan holmes
We're going to win.
unidentified
What?
You know what I mean?
You scared?
alex jones
You don't take my hand?
unidentified
You guys are funny, man.
Thank you.
dan friesen
General Flynn did not want to talk to Alex at all.
jordan holmes
I don't know why.
dan friesen
Alex comes up and he's like, crazy day.
And General Flynn does not turn to him.
He kind of like turns his head but not his body.
He's like, yeah, it is a crazy day.
He's like, oh, we're going to win.
And then he's like, are you scared?
Are you scared?
Flynn's like, what?
He's like, are you scared to shake my hand?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then Alex kind of gets this, like, someone else kind of walks up and Alex gets the sense of, like, I gotta leave.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
dan friesen
And so he walks off.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the camera pans over and Owen Troyer's standing a ways back.
jordan holmes
So there's the reveal of Owen Troyer.
He's just in the corner watching.
unidentified
Keeping his distance because he knows this isn't going to go well.
jordan holmes
This isn't for me.
I'm not supposed to be there.
dan friesen
And then Alex tries to save face with like, you guys are funny.
No.
Flynn either knows who you are and doesn't want to be associated with you, or has no idea who you are.
unidentified
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Either way, it does not work well for his brand.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you should not meet your heroes that you created fictional versions of, assuming that the fictional version will greet you warmly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's an issue.
So Flynn, he gives a speech, gets up at this Jericho rally, and man, what a fucking beginning to this speech.
Just...
Awe-inspiring.
unidentified
You know, I was going to end with a prayer, but maybe we'll start with a prayer.
jordan holmes
This sounds planned!
michael flynn
I told Mike Lindell as he was walking and we bumped into each other, I actually had the first good sleep of my life last night, so...
unidentified
MikePillow.com, I'll give him a commercial.
dan friesen
Mike fucking Flynn starts at his speech with a plug for MyPillow.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
He must be throwing around cash.
My pillow guy.
jordan holmes
On this, our St. Christmas Day, I must remind you, we happy few!
dan friesen
How much fucking money is that guy making?
jordan holmes
There is a 5% discount on straw beds when we return home heroes!
dan friesen
Did he find, like, a cache of Krugerrands or something?
Did he find pirate gold?
unidentified
How is he throwing around all this money with a pillow company?
jordan holmes
I don't know, but Flynn's got that pillow cash.
unidentified
God.
dan friesen
Anyway, so I know in Dune, I know people love Dune talk.
jordan holmes
People love Dune talk.
dan friesen
They love it.
Fear is the mind killer.
jordan holmes
Fear is the mind killer.
dan friesen
Is that correct?
jordan holmes
That is correct.
dan friesen
Can you tell me a little bit about this?
jordan holmes
Fear is the mind killer.
It is the little death that...
Man, now that I'm on the...
dan friesen
The petite moor is an orgasm.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Fear is that...
No, it's part of the litany against fear, Dan.
It's something that the Bene Gesserit teach you to say whenever you're afraid.
Does this have anything to do with Muad'Dib?
Muad'Dib did learn the litany against fear and used it many a time in order to calm himself and bring himself into a more stable state.
dan friesen
How does this relate to Duncan?
Idaho.
jordan holmes
Duncan Idaho learned the Litany Against Fear.
His mother was a Bene Gesserit.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
And so he was aware of all of that stuff.
However, he was never trained in the ways of the Bene Gesserit because men children were not allowed.
Fair enough.
The Kwisatz Haderach, Dan.
dan friesen
Good, good.
And were sandworms Bene Gesserits?
jordan holmes
Sandworms are not Bene Gesserits.
They were actually God himself.
dan friesen
Fear is the mind killer.
jordan holmes
Fear is the mind killer.
dan friesen
Sandworm, body killer.
jordan holmes
Sandworms kill everybody, but they are also God.
And they are also the devil, Shaitan.
dan friesen
I wanted to discuss this a little bit, because as Mike Flynn was talking, I was like...
Are you going to get into fear?
He's talking about fear.
I was like, oh, is he going to say that fear is the mind killer?
He's very close.
This is very close.
jordan holmes
I want him to do it.
unidentified
In our minds, in our minds, that's where we find fear.
ali alexander
Because fear is a mental thing.
unidentified
It's something that you have in your minds, and you fear things.
michael flynn
Because your mind says, I'm afraid of that, or I'm afraid of this.
ali alexander
But it's in our hearts.
michael flynn
It's in our hearts where we truly know what is right.
unidentified
Because in our hearts, that's where we differentiate between good and bad.
ali alexander
Right?
unidentified
Where we differentiate between darkness and light.
ali alexander
And we know that.
We know that in our heart.
unidentified
It's that gut feeling, but it's actually your heart.
ali alexander
It's your heart talking to you.
michael flynn
Not in your mind, because your mind is going to say, I'm afraid.
dan friesen
So fear is the mind killer.
Trust your gut because your weird feelings are actually your heart, which is clearer because your heart is free of fear.
jordan holmes
The only thing we have to fear is fear because it comes from inside you, but it's also part of your heart and you can't listen to it, but it's not part of your heart because it's what you're afraid of and it's in your head and fear is what we fear the most itself.
dan friesen
Yeah.
ali alexander
Patton.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now...
jordan holmes
A lot of great speakers in history.
Not one of them.
dan friesen
No.
I realized as he was speaking that I don't think I've ever heard a full speech of his.
jordan holmes
Me neither.
dan friesen
And I found it underwhelming.
jordan holmes
I've found that to be incredibly terrible.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So one thing I'm afraid of is helicopters.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That's not actually true, but it's a good segue.
jordan holmes
Nice.
One thing I'm afraid of is segues.
dan friesen
Oh, well, we're both terrified.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
While Flynn is on stage, that's when the flyover happens.
And this is just depressing.
unidentified
Imagine being able to just jump in a helicopter and go for a joyride around Washington, T.C. I love it.
I love the fact that he does that.
michael flynn
That's what he does because he knows that the people that he can trust are people that he's never met.
unidentified
And that's you.
I mean, he's never met.
Look at the millions and millions of people.
Right?
He trusts you.
michael flynn
He trusts you because he knows you know what's going on, and you will not allow what's happening to happen in our country.
unidentified
None of us will.
It's just not going to happen.
michael flynn
I will tell you one more time, because I've been asked, on a scale of 1 to 10, who will be the next president of the United States?
And I say, Donald Trump.
dan friesen
10. A 10. You know, that moment there where he's like, first of all, the idea that Trump can trust you, people who he doesn't know, is very sad.
jordan holmes
So sad.
dan friesen
But when Flynn is like, he trusts you because you're the ones who know what's going on, you're not going to let what's happening happen.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Makes me think of that Andy Daly character who's like the stand-up comic who says nothing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, what else is in the news?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Can you believe this?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Another?
dan friesen
I mean, come on!
jordan holmes
What is going on with one of these?
dan friesen
What's with this?
jordan holmes
Come on!
I mean, not when I was.
dan friesen
Not if I have anything to say about it.
jordan holmes
Not when this goes down.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Just to because you know what's going on and you're not going to like what happens happen.
Wow.
Just fucking say that you wanted everyone to incite an installing of an unelected president.
jordan holmes
It just punctures so much of that.
Like, it is one of those things that you don't really...
It doesn't always hit you until it does.
Like, how much you've been fucked up by movies and TV and culture and all that shit.
Because you just hear general.
And you see his military record and all of this shit and he rose to this high rank and you're like...
That's the fucking guy?
dan friesen
Yeah, you kind of think of no-nonsense, stern, sort of, man-a-few-words.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Stiff upper lip, kind of, yeah, and that's not the vibe Flynn gives.
jordan holmes
Actually, he's the brown-nosing toady who politicked his way up into the military high ranks.
He's a fucking dick.
dan friesen
There's another guy who's, like, from Vets for Trump who gives a speech that is fairly uneventful, and I don't have any clips of it, but he was far more like what you're talking about.
What you would expect.
Like, a guy who's like, oh, you're terrifying.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You're dark.
You're dark.
Yeah, yeah, you're a dark man.
dan friesen
You seem like an archetype of someone who's seen some shit.
Yeah.
So this, I gotta say, the Jericho rally drags at this point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I believe it.
dan friesen
And I'm done with it.
We're not gonna talk about any more of it, because it just ends up deteriorating into a thing where, like...
There's a guy from Bikers for Trump and he ends up talking about how they formed this group, right?
They formed this group because they wanted to stop Antifa from throwing dog poop at Trump supporters who are waiting in line to get into events.
jordan holmes
You said that in front of people.
dan friesen
Yeah, he said that in an interview on the TV.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
There's also some more religious weirdos, and, you know, I just lost it.
I couldn't...
I mean, there was also a couple other InfoWars characters, but they were kind of really adjacent people, like Jason Jones, the guy who hosts The Fourth Hour sometimes.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He was there, and he gave an interview.
It was just kind of like, this is too much.
And again, I think the problem is that Alex was kind of early.
It really took so much steam out of it.
None of these other people could reach the heights of that.
I don't know of any actual comedian who talks about laughs per minute, but I've heard the idea discussed.
And applause lines per minute, Alex just wrecked shop.
No one is going to be able to recover from that.
jordan holmes
He scorched earth it.
Which I imagine he did on purpose, honestly.
unidentified
Yeah!
jordan holmes
Because I've been put where I wasn't supposed to go in the lineup before, and I made it very clear I wasn't supposed to go there.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm going to bury whoever comes up next.
jordan holmes
I'm going to bury your headliners so far into the ground, it's going to be brutal.
dan friesen
It's also notable that Alex and Mike Flynn both come out to the Mission Impossible theme.
Like, Alex might have stolen Mike Flynn's intro music.
jordan holmes
Now, that's some petty shit that I'm here for.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
I am here for that pettiness all day.
dan friesen
I think there might be something there.
So, I watched a bunch more of this, but I lost my patience for it.
Because, I mean, like, how much...
What else are we going to find?
More examples of people saying the exact same Christian nationalist shit?
Who cares?
jordan holmes
God!
Kill everybody.
We got it.
Moving on.
dan friesen
But there was another rally that day, and this was the Women for America First rally.
This was being held pretty close nearby around the same time.
There's some particularly fun footage also that's going around on Twitter, which is of Alex trying to bum-rush the stage at the Women for Trump rally.
jordan holmes
That sounds like a metaphor I'm able to understand clearly.
dan friesen
very unsuccessful.
unidentified
Maybe I just got a little enthusiastic.
We're going to do it.
Let's go to TrumpMarch.com.
You're not allowed to be here.
I appreciate you.
We love you.
I'm like two quick speakers.
I'll take a break.
Okay.
I'll take a break.
Let's go.
We can talk.
Let's go.
Yes.
Yes.
jordan holmes
That is how you get escorted out.
unidentified
*laughter* *laughter* I don't know what's going on.
alex jones
I'm just telling you!
I'm just telling you!
Alex!
unidentified
I remember.
alex jones
Fuck you!
It's okay.
That's it!
I don't know what's going on.
You think I'm fucking scaring me.
Look at him.
unidentified
This is a family show, Alex.
dan friesen
My first thought when I watched that was that Alex seems like he's on stimulants.
He seems amped the fuck up.
jordan holmes
Red eyes.
dan friesen
Yeah, and grinding his mouth and ready to fight with a security guard who won't let him through.
Feels like he clearly thinks he's entitled to get up there and get on stage.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
At an event where the security guard is like, you're not welcome here.
But I think about it, and I'm like, well...
Honestly, he probably is coming over there right after he yelled at the other crowd.
jordan holmes
I would assume he thought he was welcome.
dan friesen
He probably jacked his fuck off the adrenaline of that.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Maybe also some stimulants, who knows?
jordan holmes
Yeah, why not?
dan friesen
He's an older man.
Yeah, so he got shut down from going to the Women for America First rally.
jordan holmes
Censorship.
dan friesen
You can tell that that's that rally because you can hear the guy in the background talking about the March for Trump, which was the bus tour that led to and culminated with...
With this Women for Trump America First rally.
jordan holmes
I didn't hear him whining about flags either, so I assumed it was a...
dan friesen
Wait for it.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
dan friesen
So this rally was a much...
It's much less relevant to our focus, since there's less direct InfoWars connections.
Alex wasn't allowed at this one.
He was allowed at the other show, and they even let Owen Schroyer on stage.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's weird.
dan friesen
Ali Alexander was one of the organizers of the Jericho rally.
And like I said, there were a couple other InfoWars people that you could find hanging around.
In contrast, this Women for America First rally felt like people who were a bit more interested in being taken seriously.
The thing that I take issue with is that I can only find two real differences between them.
That was pretty solidly focused on demanding Christian nationalism, whereas this one is hiding a little bit in conservative politics.
jordan holmes
Big difference between the middle and far right wings of the Republican Party.
dan friesen
And desperately trying to appear somewhat credible with their booking choices.
So they have Katrina Pearson and Seb Gorka.
jordan holmes
Yes, very credible.
dan friesen
Well, comparatively.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I mean, I guess.
I guess they're bigger names, maybe?
dan friesen
Like, Sebastian Gorka has a show that's syndicated.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's fair.
dan friesen
Alex is on Genesis Communications.
jordan holmes
It's still amazing to me that Seb Gorka is just allowed to roam free.
dan friesen
It is.
And, shockingly, I texted you about this last night.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
I texted you that he seems like a character.
Sketch character.
I had not also heard much Sebastian Gorka, except for maybe Little Clips or honestly, Adomian doing an impression of him.
jordan holmes
I've only heard what you've played from me, so way less.
dan friesen
I honestly felt like watching that, I was like, Sebastian Gorka's leaning into the bit.
It felt like he was becoming the parodies of himself.
Or maybe the parodies are just that good.
They'd really nail it, because he seems like a farce of a person.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, whenever your front lines are run by a hair-dye-bleeding Rudy Giuliani in front of a landscaping company, your parodies are going to be just straight impressions.
dan friesen
Rudy's the guy who hits the barbed wire.
So, Jordan, I'd originally intended that we would cover the entire rally of the Women for America first, just like the Jericho one, but the more I thought about it, the less that seemed compatible with my goal of creating a decent show that people can enjoy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we could have just done rallies that were terrible.
dan friesen
Mike Flynn and the MyPillow guy basically give the exact same speeches at both rallies, and the whole thing just drags on way too long, much like the other one, with people just basically saying nothing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's really...
Vapid.
jordan holmes
Well, it has to be.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They have no actual substance.
dan friesen
It's mostly getting people to chant about loving Trump and, you know, whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's fucking straight up Nazi shit.
dan friesen
I decided that possibly a better way to approach the Women for America First rally was to hand out some awards, some superlatives.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
As if this lineup was a bunch of matriculating, graduating seniors in high school.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
So, the first title I'd like to bestow on someone is...
jordan holmes
Most likely to secede?
dan friesen
No.
Not bad.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Most confusing breath of fresh air.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
What's up, D.C.?
How was General Flynn, you guys?
Was that amazing or what?
That man and his family have laid it on the line for our country.
Over and over and over again, and we can't show them enough gratitude.
dan friesen
This guy is very clearly drunk.
He looks to be in his late 30s, early 40s, and is wearing what appears to be a red sequined smoking jacket.
jordan holmes
All right, now I like him.
Now I'm back on board.
dan friesen
He's got a beard.
He seems fucking day drunk at like noon or one.
jordan holmes
There but for the grace of God go I, Dan.
dan friesen
He is absolutely out of place at this rally.
And as the kids say, I was here for it.
Also, I have no idea who he is.
He never says his name.
No one says his name.
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
I don't know who he is.
I tried to find out.
I could not find out.
I looked at the comments of the YouTube video.
I googled lineup of event.
I couldn't find it.
jordan holmes
He was standing next to Alex when the security guard stopped him.
He was like, whoop, I'm gonna go on through then.
dan friesen
But unfortunately, like all things we discuss on this show that are kind of fun, he ended up revealing himself to be a piece of shit.
But also, in the same clip that he said...
unidentified
There's three parts to my message.
Well armed.
I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident.
jordan holmes
What?
unidentified
What just happened?
jordan holmes
What did you just say to me?
unidentified
Second part.
jordan holmes
No, you stop about that.
I want to know the first part.
unidentified
Something that we have to deal a lot with with the Kung Flu.
jordan holmes
Oh, come on.
God damn it, man.
dan friesen
Isn't that disappointing?
jordan holmes
We were doing so good.
We even got tragic boating accident.
I wasn't expecting that.
dan friesen
I'm not sure if that is a joke or if he actually had a boating accident.
jordan holmes
It could also be.
It could also be.
Why would you say tragic boating accident?
That seems specific.
dan friesen
It's either pretty funny as a joke.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I don't have any guns.
I lost them in a tragic boating accident.
jordan holmes
See, now that's something that I would toss off if I was seeing somewhere.
I'd just be like, ah, I lost them in a tragic boating accident.
Everybody moves on.
dan friesen
Yeah, not a bad throwaway line.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A little toss.
dan friesen
Also, could be real, and I want to know the story.
unidentified
It could be real!
Why was he specifically just telling me that he lost all of his guns in a tragic fight?
dan friesen
Either way, I find him to be an engaging presence.
He's got this weird red sequence smoking tag and he's fucked up.
Why'd you have to say that fucking racist flu stuff?
jordan holmes
It's a little bit like a racist right-winger played by Kyle Kinane, you know?
dan friesen
I had no idea what is going on.
I don't know who he is.
He doesn't introduce himself.
No one says.
He's on the TV stream of it.
There's no name on the Chiron.
No idea.
He might have just shown up.
jordan holmes
He might have just wandered on there.
dan friesen
I have no idea.
But while he's on stage, he introduces a person who has the same name as a big celebrity, but does not appear to be that celebrity.
unidentified
You will never stand for it, and we're going to keep coming back until it's known, and our president, the greatest president ever, is where he's supposed to be.
jordan holmes
I fucking love this guy.
He's great.
unidentified
I get to share this with an amazing woman.
I told her I'd keep it brief.
I don't want to get in trouble.
So, Jeffrey Lawrence, come up and talk to everybody.
dan friesen
It is not Jennifer Lawrence.
unidentified
I don't know who this Jennifer Lawrence is either.
dan friesen
I thought maybe if I figured out who she is, it would help me find out who he is.
And it did not.
I still have no idea who anybody is.
jordan holmes
Is this like when that couple crashed a White House party and everybody was like, holy shit, how did they get in there?
dan friesen
If it is, I love it.
So Jennifer Lawrence is unfortunately a Christian nationalist.
jordan holmes
Wow, that sounds...
unidentified
Those people on that hill over there need to remember that they work for us.
We, the people, we don't work for them.
We answer to God, not government, and God is going to tell us who's going to be the president, and God is going to tell us how this country is going to go, and we are going to fight.
dan friesen
Okay.
Thank you, Jennifer Lawrence.
jordan holmes
So then even if you get your president, you're still not going to do what the government says?
dan friesen
I guess not.
Anyway, congratulations to clearly day drunk guy in a sequined smoking jacket.
You have won the very coveted title of most confusing breath of fresh air at that rally.
jordan holmes
I was a little bit hoping that, like, somebody out of, like, what if J.B. Smoove did five minutes?
Like, that's what I was hoping the super surprising confusing breath of fresh air was.
dan friesen
No, it's day drunk guy in a sequined red coat.
jordan holmes
Pretty close to J.B. Smoove.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So the next award that I'm going to give out, the next superlative, is the best...
Integration of promotional messaging into a stump speech.
jordan holmes
MyPillow!
MyPillow!
No?
dan friesen
Well, MyPillow might be involved.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But this award goes to radio show host David J. Harris, and let me say, it's not even close.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He ran away with this thing.
unidentified
And a special thank you to the co-sponsor that really helped fund a lot of this, Mr. MyPillow himself, Mike Lindell!
Amazing.
Patriot loves this country, loves us, loves the president, and the president loves him.
And I gotta tell you, I love his codes, right?
I love his pillows, I love his sheets, I love his mattress topper, and I love his codes, because you know what?
The Kraken has been released!
You are part of the Kraken!
So, for the best deals to support this Patriot, use the code CRAKEN.
At MyPillow.com.
dan friesen
Amazing.
Just amazing.
I can't say enough how not smooth that was.
jordan holmes
That is really, really bad.
dan friesen
But David doesn't just stop with MyPillow codes.
He also throws out like, hey, I'm big on social media.
unidentified
I've worked hard over the last few years to try to bring you real, honest news at DavidHarrisJr.com.
I've got 2.3 million followers on Facebook, 1.1 on Instagram.
dan friesen
Plug in his website, his social media, and that's great.
But that is all just in order to prepare you for another plug, which is the solution to Facebook.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
unidentified
I hear people talking about Parler.
Parler's amazing.
It's a great alternative to Twitter.
But we need an alternative to Facebook.
Something that works and operates like Facebook, and I've found it.
I'm going to be talking about it loud.
I've got a lot of my friends who are going to be talking about it loud.
It's called Spreely, stands for Speak Freely, and here's where you can download it.
S-P-R-E-E-L-Y, Spreely.
You're going to hear a lot about that, and they're going to dominate Facebook.
dan friesen
I'm going to guess they're not.
But all these people, a lot of them seem to be pushing Internet startups.
There was that Ian Raiklin guy who came to Alex's CPAC thing, and he was trying to push a search engine.
I think that they're really trying to make a little bit of a fast cash on the conservative aggrievement over social media market.
jordan holmes
But this is what I'm saying when I say I feel for these idiots in the crowd here.
You guys are being sold the idea that you can legally just get whatever you want so long as...
They'll fire lawsuits and then we'll get whatever we want because we're right.
And they're selling you all of this.
And when this happens, which we totally know it's going to, it will keep us from having to do the one thing that we know is the only way to get what we want to achieve and we're trying to avoid.
And it's like you're just being taken along by these guys who are selling you on Spreely!
dan friesen
No one's going to go on Spreely.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, he also has perfected.
This technique that David Harris has of protected prayer.
He does the Lord's Prayer, but he wants to really take every line of it and think about what does it mean.
unidentified
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Are we going to get a commentary?
dan friesen
No, we're not going to listen to all of it.
jordan holmes
We're not going to get an abridged version.
dan friesen
It's so long.
It's like six minutes of it.
unidentified
Jesus!
dan friesen
Yeah.
But this is the end of it, and how smoothly it transitions into a plug.
jordan holmes
Oh, wow.
unidentified
Give us a greater understanding, Father, of your love for us.
As the individual son, as an individual daughter, give us a greater revelation, Father.
You fake piece of shit.
and let us be that catalyst and that change in our country.
In Jesus name.
Amen!
Amen!
I truly believe we're gonna win.
I truly believe the fraud is gonna be exposed The Kraken has been released.
We the people will not be denied seeing another four years of the amazing presidency of Donald J. Trump.
God bless you.
I think we're going to hear this and still 45. We're going to hear that again.
So please visit davidharrisjr.com.
Help me fight these.
Gotta fight these suckers that are just constantly on me.
dan friesen
Gotta fight these suckers that are on me.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Wow.
dan friesen
Quite a ride.
jordan holmes
And Jesus overturned those money changers tables and said, follow me at Jesus underscore magic.
dan friesen
Help me fight these suckers?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I found his speech to be laden with a promotion.
To a point where it was distracting.
It was a little distracting.
Granted, I have no idea who this guy is.
So I can't judge his body of work.
I can only watch this and say it was a little much.
unidentified
Yikes.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes, sir.
dan friesen
Our next category.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
Is the most graceful exit from someone who clearly did not want to be there.
This award goes to someone we know, actually.
He's a guy who promoted Pizzagate quite heavily.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Jack Posobiec.
jordan holmes
Oh, goddammit.
unidentified
They said that I could have longer time up here today, but I said I want to give my time up.
I want to give my time up to a whistleblower.
A courageous whistleblower.
Who saw something and decided to say something and stand up.
So ladies and gentlemen, all the way from Michigan, Melissa Carone, who's going to come up and tell you what she saw.
dan friesen
So that's the lady who appeared to be drunk with Rudy Giuliani in that video that everyone loved so much.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there it is.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Jack clearly...
I got the vibe that he was...
Because that's like a minute into his being there.
unidentified
Yeah, that's great.
dan friesen
He's just like, I'm out of here.
jordan holmes
That's great.
dan friesen
That is good stuff.
They would have given Melissa Carone a speaking spot if she'd asked.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
No, he just was like, yeah, I don't really want to do this.
jordan holmes
I don't want to do it.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
But I do want my name there.
dan friesen
Yeah, just in case.
jordan holmes
I would like my attention.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
But I do not want to do the work for it, thank you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, congratulations, Jack.
You made a graceful exit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's well done.
dan friesen
Oh, there's a late entry.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
There is actually an escalation of this category.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
dan friesen
Now, we have to give out the award for the person who made the most graceful...
I'm not even showing up!
This award goes to Dinesh D'Souza.
unidentified
Now it's my honor to introduce another young lady.
You know her father.
Dinesh D'Souza was invited.
dan friesen
He said, fuck no, I'm sending my daughter.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Take that, Jack Posobiec.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Wow, Jack.
You didn't know you could half-ass it still further.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Lazy.
dan friesen
Yep, so...
jordan holmes
Why did you not just say...
Why didn't you send in a video message announcing Melissa Carbone or whatever?
dan friesen
You know who did send in a video message?
jordan holmes
Dinesh D'Souza?
dan friesen
No, Marjorie Green, the QAnon person in Congress.
jordan holmes
Oh, the crazy person.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Good for her.
jordan holmes
Good for her.
dan friesen
That was one of those real curveballs in terms of their booking.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I feel like you guys are trying to...
Have an air of not out there too far.
jordan holmes
So we got the craziest congressperson we could find.
dan friesen
Well, and she only sent in a video.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not good.
That's not good.
dan friesen
It could be better.
jordan holmes
Overthrowing democracy is not always the most popular thing to do.
I've seen that.
dan friesen
It's true.
So, the next category, Jordan.
Is the second most likely day drunk person after the guy in his sequined shirt.
jordan holmes
Ooh, he's 100%.
dan friesen
Yes, there's no competition.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that one's all the way up to full.
dan friesen
Second place, however, second most likely, that honor goes to Boris Epstein, who I should remind you, the guy from Sinclair Media, I should remind you, tested positive for COVID-19 on November 26th.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
He showed up and he seemed drunk.
unidentified
Hello!
I was told I shouldn't take the mic off, but I'm gonna do it anyway, right?
Who do we love?
Who do we love?
We love Trump!
We love Trump!
jordan holmes
Why?
Why?
unidentified
We love Trump!
We love Trump!
Get the flags higher!
We love Trump!
We love Trump!
dan friesen
I love that Boris is, like, apparently didn't hear everyone yelling to put the flags down.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Get those flags up!
Get those flags up!
Get the flags in the air!
dan friesen
At two different events, people have been saying, put the flags down so we could stream, and Boris is like, nah, fuck that.
I don't know if he's actually drunk.
It's really tough to tell because it also...
I realized as I was watching this, it's hard to tell the difference between maybe kind of day drunk, buzzed, and sort of...
jordan holmes
Just jacked up off of being in front of a crowd this big, I guess.
dan friesen
And doing those, like...
Standard, get the crowd pumped up kind of things.
jordan holmes
You gotta sound crazy if you do that, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, and those are the kind of things that you instinctually do when you're drunk.
Like, getting a crowd to chant USA is really fun when you're drunk.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Ah, USA.
jordan holmes
I can't, this is maybe the largest disconnect, more than our politics even.
The idea, any politician, the idea of saying, if me chanting, we love blank politician, fuck.
That.
Period.
dan friesen
It seems weird.
jordan holmes
Period.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think AOC is incredible.
I'm not gonna chant We Love AOC.
Fuck that.
dan friesen
I tell myself that I think I would be just as a, like, put off by seeing large crowds chanting We Love Obama back in 2008.
jordan holmes
Creepy.
dan friesen
But maybe I wouldn't have been.
Maybe that's a bias on my part.
I don't know.
I like to think that I would be.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But I'm not certain I would.
jordan holmes
I mean, we were much younger then, and Obama was coming out after the previous worst president in American history.
dan friesen
I like to think that I would respond the same.
It'd be like, weird.
But I wonder if I would see that and I would give the sort of like, oh, they're not in a cult of personality.
This is just expressing their political...
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
I wonder.
I like to think...
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know Obama, Jordan.
That was significantly long ago.
I would say the most recent is obviously the Bernie Sanders campaign in the primary in 2016, whenever he had those massive rallies.
But even then, I don't remember people screaming like...
dan friesen
People are chanting like, feel the burn.
jordan holmes
Something like that.
unidentified
That's a catchphrase.
jordan holmes
But then it's like, yeah, it's like a weird all in this together, not like, we love you!
You know, like, that's creepy.
dan friesen
His slogan was, not me, us.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
We love us!
I would be fine with chanting that.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
It's tough.
I know that I don't like looking at it here.
And I like to think that maybe even if I had turned a blind eye to it before, I would now look upon people chanting, like, let's say, I love AOC or whatever.
I would look at that much differently.
jordan holmes
Don't.
dan friesen
So maybe this has given me an illuminating moment.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So we have another superlative, another title.
Person who's putting the most direct...
I didn't prepare this title.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
This one's a little bit off the domey.
dan friesen
Person who's putting the most effort into getting people killed.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
That goes to...
I don't remember his name, but he's that gym owner in New Jersey who refuses to stay closed.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
If you would have asked me back in February if I thought that one person could make a difference, I would have laughed and said, hell no.
But here I am today, one man, a part of a team of two guys, who stood up to a governor and told him, no, we will not listen.
And it's starting a movement across the country.
They're trying that second wave that they've been predicting for so long, and more and more businesses are staying open.
And I'm here to advocate every single freedom-loving American to go out and support these small businesses.
And I'm going to give you away how.
We created a directory, a nationwide directory of businesses that are staying open.
Think of it as a Yelp for freedom-loving Americans who won't listen to COVID restrictions.
jordan holmes
I have a flaw in that plan.
unidentified
So go out there and support.
That is www.stayopenstayfree.com.
Check it out.
Go encourage businesses to sign up and go support them.
Because the more that do, the quicker this thing will fall apart, I promise you.
dan friesen
This works equally well as a registry of businesses to avoid.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I didn't think that one man could make a difference!
But now look at me!
The horsemen of plague!
unidentified
Spreading COVID to all who come near me!
dan friesen
Yeah, good.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ, King Midas.
dan friesen
That might not age well.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I went and I looked at this guy's registry, and I looked for Chicago, and there's exactly one business in the city of Chicago, and it is an apartment building.
Which is just like, alright, I guess.
I guess if that's where you want to promote, it seems silly.
It's a Gold Coast apartment.
jordan holmes
Well, that doesn't surprise me.
If it was going to be anywhere, Gold Coast is where it is.
dan friesen
I don't know if this is what that was for.
I think this is more about retail, right?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was thinking so.
dan friesen
Cool.
So, next Superlative Jordan is actually a tie.
jordan holmes
Yes, sir.
dan friesen
This is very shocking.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Most insane preacher.
jordan holmes
Ooh, there's two.
dan friesen
Two.
jordan holmes
It's a tie.
dan friesen
The first goes to Reverend Locke out of Tennessee.
unidentified
If you're glad to be on the winning side, let's make some noise, DC!
I read the back of the book and it doesn't end with oh me, it ends with amen and this thing is going to turn out alright.
We're not going to back up, we're not going to pack up, we're not going to slack up, and we're not going to shut up until we've been taken up by the glory of God.
And I am convinced that Donald J. Trump is going to remain the President of the United States.
Do you believe that this afternoon, patriots?
dan friesen
Have you met my snakes?
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
unidentified
Dude.
dan friesen
We've got a revival preacher on our hands.
jordan holmes
Come on, buddy.
dan friesen
We're getting a lot of different...
Particular flavors of exciting preachers.
And that's why it has to be a tie, is because these guys have completely different styles.
But Reverend Locke, or Pastor Locke, who knows?
jordan holmes
Whatever.
dan friesen
He does not ask permission when he wants to tell the devil that the devil is on notice.
jordan holmes
I think he should.
dan friesen
This guy's an auctioneer.
jordan holmes
I was actually thinking that exact same thing.
I was like, man, you have a gift for saying words fast and dumb.
Do not do this job.
dan friesen
He's very exciting.
Verbally.
And that's why, yeah, you were.
unidentified
Nah, never ask the devil for a goddamn piece of permission, but I'll tell you this right now, everybody.
We see five over there, and now it's ten over there.
I have 20 over there, 20 over there, all right.
dan friesen
That's where it's functional.
But unfortunately, he uses his gifts to yell about how everyone will be forced to bow in front of Jesus.
jordan holmes
See, that's not good.
unidentified
In the name of Jesus, every knee should bow of things in heaven and things in earth and things under the earth.
I said that every Republican, every Democrat shall bow and with their voice proclaim Him Lord of Lords to the glory of God the Father.
So you have a choice and the choice is clear.
We can declare Jesus Lord of our life right now because we want to.
Or we can declare Jesus Christ Lord of our life in the day of judgment because we have to, but make no mistake, Jesus Christ is Lord, and I want you to chant King of Kings!
King of Kings!
dan friesen
Yeah, so that guy is scary in many ways, but the vocal patterns are fun, so I'll give him that.
jordan holmes
King of Kings!
dan friesen
Kings!
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So the next guy who's tied here for this most insane preacher is a guy named Brian Gibson.
And I actually found this kind of endearing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
His wife brings him up, introduces him on stage.
And you don't know that it's his wife initially, because she's just like, this next speaker is just my favorite person.
He's my husband.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's cute.
dan friesen
It's adorable.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And then Brian Gibson, Pastor Brian Gibson, complains about how his...
jordan holmes
I hate my wife!
dan friesen
No, his Easter service didn't work out.
He's gonna try and give eggs to children.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
On Easter Sunday, I blew a fuse.
I put together an Easter egg giveaway.
We were going to give some kids an egg in the name of Jesus.
The health department called me, said if I gave those eggs away, that they would shut down the church of the Lord Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
You keep those fucking eggs.
jordan holmes
I swear to God, I swear to God, that's your bitching.
That's what you're complaining about.
dan friesen
You keep those eggs.
unidentified
Wow.
And I'm gonna tell you, no one has the authority to shut down the church of the Lord Jesus Christ except Jesus Christ himself when he returns for his church.
Come on, give God a hand clap if you believe it out there.
Give God a hand clap!
jordan holmes
Does God need applause?
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
I organized a parking lot communion service.
I called all of the press.
I said, come out.
Tell the governor I'm distributing communion elements and they can come arrest me because I'd love to go to jail for the preaching of the gospel.
jordan holmes
That's not what you would be going to jail for, sir.
You were not actually preaching gospel.
unidentified
Used to every time I got drunk and coked up, I got arrested.
What's up with that?
dan friesen
What is up with that?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What is up with that?
dan friesen
Now I can't get arrested for preaching?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Kind of a little bit telling.
jordan holmes
A little bit there.
dan friesen
Anyway, he would not make the cut if it weren't for his just extreme Christian nationalist leanings.
unidentified
Let me say this.
America did not birth the church.
America did not birth the church.
But the church birthed America.
jordan holmes
Not true, sir.
Sir?
Sir, excuse me.
unidentified
And the only thing that will save America is the same thing that birthed America, the church of the Lord Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So yeah, I mean, this is just...
jordan holmes
I was gonna go with King George, but I guess I was wrong.
dan friesen
Nope, you were absolutely wrong.
jordan holmes
I guess I was way off.
What about that whole no taxation without representation thing?
Wasn't that really important?
Church.
Is it just church?
dan friesen
Church.
jordan holmes
All right.
Okay.
You realize that the Puritans were kicked out.
unidentified
Church.
jordan holmes
Because they hated them.
dan friesen
Church.
jordan holmes
Because everybody hated them.
Again.
Because they're the worst.
dan friesen
These two preachers are at the one that is not the more religiously branded one.
unidentified
Wow.
Jesus.
dan friesen
They're the one that wasn't the product of a vision.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I'm just trying to tell you that all of this is...
jordan holmes
You know, I want to say, I want to say, like, religious people, come get your guys or you get what you get, man.
dan friesen
And that's mockery?
jordan holmes
And that's mockery.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't blame decent religious people for this.
jordan holmes
I blame religion for this.
dan friesen
That's an interesting conversation I don't want to have right now.
unidentified
Fair.
dan friesen
I do want to give out the next award.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And this is the last award.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
This goes to the most bewildering transition between speakers.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This begins with a woman whose name is either Anna Kate or Anna K. It's hard to tell from the intro.
The intro is a guy named Matt Couch who's giving her the intro.
jordan holmes
From mycouch.com?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
There's a great promo code.
dan friesen
He's a dude who really did some damage to the Rich family.
The Seth Rich conspiracy shit.
I don't know what the fuck anyone's doing ever letting him speak in public again.
But anyway, he gives the intro to either Anna Kate or Anna K. No idea.
She's a very devout Trump worshiper who's apparently been in prayer for 40 days straight, and I guess she's breaking that now to give the people of this rally an update.
jordan holmes
How dare you fucking lie like that?
dan friesen
She says that prophecy has promised that Trump will be given two consecutive terms, so therefore he must have won.
After saying this, she's got a message for the devil.
unidentified
The second message is for the devil and his minions and all the wizards and witches that are watching right now all over the world.
This is for you.
We're going to do a chant right now.
We're going to do a chant because it's awesome to exalt Trump.
Trump is our anointed one.
jordan holmes
He's your anointed one.
unidentified
To bring justice back into this country.
jordan holmes
Not justice.
dan friesen
I do worry that I'm one of the wizards.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're a wizard.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that no matter what the reality is, I would be looked upon as a wizard.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
No, it doesn't matter.
Honestly, even if there was no religion, I'm still looking at you just going like, you got a real Lord of the Rings vibe to you.
dan friesen
I think I've been forced into the role of a wizard.
jordan holmes
I mean, you leave.
I leaned into it, though.
You're erudite.
You're obsessive.
You live on the third floor.
You're in a tower, if you will.
Come on, buddy.
You're John D. reincarnated.
dan friesen
All right.
Fine.
I'm a wizard.
Anyway, this lady chants for Jesus.
She wants to chant Jesus' name.
jordan holmes
Is the devil weak to chance?
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Shit.
dan friesen
I know that because I'm a wizard.
So they chant Jesus, and then she repents for abortion, which is apparently a blood sacrifice to Baal.
jordan holmes
Sure.
unidentified
Count to three, we're going to chant Jesus, because this was a vision I had a few weeks ago, because it's shifting in the atmosphere now in Jesus' name.
Lord, we repent.
Before we chant his name, Lord, we repent for all the blood sacrifice that has been poured out in this nation.
Lord, we repent for abortion.
Lord God, this sacrifice is to bail.
We exalt you, Lord.
dan friesen
So yeah, then they start chanting Jesus.
Now, Jordan, here is the transition that is outrageous and made me laugh out loud.
Hours into watching this stupid rally.
jordan holmes
This is your second rally.
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
Oh boy.
dan friesen
And I loved this moment more than I can really put into words.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So mic down for this.
Enjoy this minute and 15 second ride.
unidentified
Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.
Jesus!
Glory to God.
We're going to see a miracle.
Amen.
Amazing, right?
Hey, guys, right here in the middle, if we could keep the flags down, we have some guys at RSPN who have been with us the whole way.
They're amazing.
Let's block at the shot.
And we want to make sure people at home can enjoy it, too.
Thank you, guys.
Yeah, just right here in the center between us and the cameras.
Everybody, we love you guys' flags.
They're amazing.
And we love our SBN because you guys need to be watching them.
All right, next up, we're going to mix it up.
We're going to bring some amazing artists out here.
Bryce and Graham, 4G out of blow.
Y 'all ready to turn up?
It's hard for me to move around with this mic, though.
dan friesen
Alright, so what's happened here is that we started with the lady chanting Jesus, who had a message for the devil and the wizards, and then my drunk friend comes back out.
He tells people to keep those flags down.
A little bit more admin, a little bit of business.
And then he introduces a rap act.
There's a rap concert!
jordan holmes
You know, It's just, it was easier to have religious epiphanies before technology, I imagine.
No point during the Sermon on the Mount was Peter like, hey, guys, guys, we are leaving too much bread around.
There is a lot of bread going around on the floors.
It is attracting too many birds.
Birds are getting in the shot.
This is not Hitchhawk.
dan friesen
And now a rap concert on the Mount.
And now a rap concert on the Mount.
So yeah, this guy named Bryson Gray comes out to do a little rap set.
He has a couple albums that he's put out.
One's called MAGA Season, spelled S-Z-N.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's hot!
dan friesen
Another album called MAGA Christmas.
Another album called MAGA Ain't Got No Color.
And his other album, Can't Cancel God.
unidentified
So was it his label who wanted the Christmas album?
dan friesen
I think they're self-released.
So I went and I listened to a little bit of his stuff, and I gotta say he's serviceable as an actual rapper.
He's not good.
jordan holmes
As a lyricist?
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
As someone who's delivering...
Words over beats.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
He's not as bad as a lot of people I've heard.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I will say that.
I think he's just not anything interesting.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't find anything compelling about it.
It's largely just like rapping, you know, sort of conspiracy talking points and Trump shit.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't really care.
But I went and I actually found a review of one of his albums.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It was shocking because, like, the review really agreed with me.
Like, he's not terrible, but this is boring.
I liked that because it was like, yeah, this review isn't insulting him.
It's not like he's a shitty rapper.
You're not doing anything interesting.
It's kind of uncompelling.
You have some skill or whatever.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
No, you hate my politics.
Honestly, your politics, I do hate them, but we're talking about the music here, buddy.
dan friesen
If you could deliver your politics in an interesting, artistic way, I might still appreciate what you make, even if I disagree with what you're putting out.
Possibly.
I might be able to get there, but you're just boring as hell.
jordan holmes
Look, everybody knows Cecil DeMille, okay?
We get it.
dan friesen
So he comes out with another rapper whose name I forget, because I don't care.
But they have some tech issues at the beginning.
And so they have to vamp for a little bit.
jordan holmes
Of course they have to.
dan friesen
And then the music starts.
And this is the last clip, because what ends up happening is just perfect.
It could not be more perfect.
I think that this sums up everything.
unidentified
Who out here is disappointed in a Supreme Court decision yesterday?
What's going on?
God-fearing God-toting Patriots!
Oh, they thought they was gonna kill our spirit.
But we still out here and we still lead Trump 2020 on a game.
Y 'all gotta say I'm working.
I heard the play.
Did you hear?
Oh, here we go.
I love the Second Amendment.
Y 'all ready?
Turn it up.
Let the struggle, you tell your thing.
Shame, that the game can't shame.
Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.
Hold on, hold on.
I'm a gun toting patriot.
jordan holmes
God be in patriot.
unidentified
I said why they bad?
'Cause my brother and they be faking it.
Free speech, advocate.
It's on my mind.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Ain't nobody taking it.
Gun toting, Bible reading, God believe in truth.
Speaking of American, it's magazine.
Democrats are mad.
I know they big and sweet.
But you don't know who you're dealing with.
Live for free.
Because only you ain't got no membership.
They free General Flynn out of the caves.
'Cause he innocent.
Hey, everyone.
Thank you so much for tuning in to Red Bad Broadcasting here in Washington, D.C. We wanted to nothing none of this would be possible if it wasn't for Michael Dell with MyPillow.
Wow.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Guys, you were supposed to get the version without the lyrics.
I just wanted the instrumental, guys.
Guys, the instrumental.
It's rapping with me.
It's rapping with me.
dan friesen
It's mostly the track.
jordan holmes
What is this, riffraff?
I'm supposed to actually perform.
dan friesen
Yeah.
One of the things I found really interesting, too, is if you watch this video, there's a guy who looks like Napoleon Dynamite on stage.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
Gotta have him.
dan friesen
I don't know what this dude is doing.
I can't tell if he's with them and they're...
As a visual joke that he's dancing along with them or whatever.
Or if he's from some other outlet.
Because he's carrying a stick mic.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, of course.
dan friesen
I have no idea what's going on.
It's bewildering.
jordan holmes
It's modern Forrest Gump.
We're going to find a movie about that guy 20 years from now and he's going to be everywhere.
dan friesen
It's outrageous.
jordan holmes
He will have inserted himself into the Vietnam War.
dan friesen
I can't tell you how weird it was.
Obviously, we're recording this on Sunday and this was all happening on Saturday.
So in order to make this really...
It ended up like I had a really late night last night.
And so I'm like, you know...
Late into the evening, watching these banal speeches, and then hearing this lady being like, we must chant Jesus' name, and then a rap concert breaking out.
unidentified
I was so amused by it.
dan friesen
And then the fact that the broadcast goes straight to a MyPillow commercial in the middle of maybe the most energetic thing they had on their stage the entire time.
It just was kind of disrespectful to this very serviceable rapper.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Indeed.
jordan holmes
That has got to be the most surreal night I can think of.
To go that...
Just to ride that all the way through to like...
See, now, if you were just watching one rally...
No big deal.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That'll drive you nuts, but you listen to Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Yeah, I have a high tolerance.
jordan holmes
But you're watching seven straight hours of rallies.
alex jones
At least.
jordan holmes
Seven straight hours of rallies on after a long day into the wee hours of the morning.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
And at a certain point...
Didn't you have to just have a complete break from reality?
dan friesen
I kind of did think at a certain point I was making up what was happening.
jordan holmes
It feels like that's how I would feel if you're telling me this happened.
dan friesen
It was surreal.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine experiencing it by myself.
Do you know what I mean?
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
There were a couple points where I thought, like, this is self-parody.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's no way Mike Flynn's speech started with a MyPillow ad.
jordan holmes
It can't be.
dan friesen
Why is this guy giving out MyPillow codes?
jordan holmes
It can't be.
dan friesen
This is nonsense.
jordan holmes
This cannot be as a thing.
dan friesen
It's so tough to really put your hands on what this is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it's simultaneously a terrifying display of different levels of...
Explicitness about a desire to live in a Christian theocracy.
It's not about standing up for your right to be able to practice your religion.
It's about enforcing your religious beliefs on the government.
Making the government adhere to your religious beliefs at the expense of everyone else who does not share your beliefs.
jordan holmes
You got it.
dan friesen
And that's terrifying.
unidentified
Horrifying.
dan friesen
Because you have the Jericho march, which is maybe...
You know, obviously more upfront about it.
It's called the Jericho March.
But it shares overlap in funding and speakers with this same other march.
And quite honestly, I think the people that I heard on the other march, the Women for Trump or Women for America First, there was more Christian nationalism probably on display there.
Now, granted, they didn't have someone like Leon Benjamin saying, we gotta kill the devil so our kids don't have to.
jordan holmes
There was that one.
dan friesen
There was a little bit more speak freely going on over there.
jordan holmes
A little screely going on over there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But I think I'm more scared of the Women for America First rally, honestly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because they're smart enough to not allow Alex there.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They got Gorka.
jordan holmes
It's fascism packaged by Coca-Cola.
Like, it is so much...
dan friesen
In my pillow.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, I mean, that, like, tying together of...
Just base, base commerce.
Just fucking promo code level commerce with fucking your ostensible belief system, which we all know is complete bullshit.
If you think anything that those rallies had to do, those rallies had zero to do with Christianity.
dan friesen
I agree.
jordan holmes
Zero.
dan friesen
It's a mask that's being worn.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
And one of the things that's really difficult is that I'm not saying that of everybody who's in the crowd, again.
I think that there's probably maybe some sincere and misled people who are there.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I can't say.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I don't think that...
I can't imagine that the people who are...
jordan holmes
I'm not sure.
dan friesen
It's very difficult to judge.
I wrestle with this because it's something that's so intimate and personal within someone, like true religious feelings.
And whenever you sort of criticize somebody about their sincerity or lack thereof, it kind of comes off as if, oh, you think you have sincere beliefs.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I don't want to get into that kind of an argument, but this is gross.
jordan holmes
Here's what I would say about that.
If your beliefs are sincere and you're looking for Christ and all that stuff...
Go read The Way of the Pilgrim and really meditate on Thessalonians and the idea of praying every day and every moment and what that actually means.
Or you could go to a rally and try and overthrow a nation and kill a bunch of people.
dan friesen
Yeah, and the difficulty that I have is the combination of both of these rallies being so explicitly Christian nationalist in character.
So overt about it.
And both of them being so crass.
We're laughing our asses off at all the MyPillow stuff, but that's at both of these rallies.
It's happening at both of them.
jordan holmes
So fucked.
dan friesen
And the parody level of the praying and chanting Jesus into a drunk guy introducing a rap act.
unidentified
Just ridiculous.
dan friesen
It's bizarre.
It's surreal.
And I don't know what to do with it, but I do think that, like, Alex Jones got a lot of headlines out of crashing that Jericho march one.
And so it does come into our view, and I think that one of the things that's important, I guess, is to take what we know about Alex and what we understand about that and glimpse the external world a little bit when there is a chance to.
And quite honestly, looking at these people, some of whom I'm aware of, some of whom I'm not, who are chosen by these people who are organizing these rallies to give these speeches.
I don't see a lot of difference between what they're putting out there and what Alex does.
Even when we look back at 2009, even when the Tea Party was going on, there were still substantive differences between the Tea Party and Alex Jones.
Alex was more severe.
He may be more severe than some of these people and more extreme, but these rallies, I don't understand why, except for bad press, they would not let Alex speak at both of them.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
I don't get why they have to...
Parade around, even at the Jericho March.
jordan holmes
Pretending that he's not there.
dan friesen
And the code of, like, in the spirit of inclusion and, you know, like, all that.
Like, go fuck yourself.
He's right on board with exactly what you're doing.
He's doing what you're doing better.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the idea that they are still allowed to...
Like, that was Alex's role for Fox News and the Rush Limbaugh's and the Glenn Beck's is for them to be like, hey, at least we're not like Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
They're all like that, and they're still trying to act like by saying, hey, at least we're not Alex Jones and InfoWars.
We still get that difference.
You're not.
There's no difference.
There's no difference.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
So how dare you act like you're too good for Alex?
I'm mad on his behalf!
dan friesen
Don't feel that way.
jordan holmes
I don't.
dan friesen
But I think that...
I can see where that thought comes from.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
It largely comes from the reality that if you watch that rally, you'll see a difference in competence from Alex and the rest of the speakers.
If the goal is to rile up this crowd, goddammit, does Alex do a better job than any of the rest of them?
unidentified
No shit.
dan friesen
Even at that point when he's getting...
Not allowed on stage.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
He gets the crowd to chant his name.
People are still chanting, we love Alex!
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
dan friesen
He gets on the bullhorn and yells 1776 and people start chanting his name.
jordan holmes
And that's how you fucking do it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He can do all this better than all of you, but unfortunately his brand is so toxic that no one, even Ali Alexander, wants to admit that he basically works for Infowars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
So, I mean, it's kind of like, I don't know.
I think that this kind of sums up.
What I think is one of the main problems.
unidentified
Who's had it with these fact-checkers?
Haven't you had it with these fact-checkers?
dan friesen
That could almost be the big problem.
jordan holmes
That's probably a better way of putting it.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think when you cheer for fuck fact checkers.
jordan holmes
Who's up with all this reality?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Who's up here with it?
I'm sick of it.
I'm sick of it.
Let's live in a dream world.
Let's live in a dream world.
Who wants to live in a dream world?
unidentified
Boo.
dan friesen
Hey, who likes to confirm things?
jordan holmes
Boo.
dan friesen
Boo.
jordan holmes
Read a book.
dan friesen
The mind is the fear killer.
Fear, fear, mind killer.
Yeah, so I thought this was an interesting exploration, a little bit sort of, not fully outside of our realm, but sort of to the side of it a tiny bit.
Sure, sure.
And it bummed me out more than usual, just because it's like, oh, all these people chanting and cheering and...
And all these speakers sounding very similar to Alex.
It's a bummer, and I think we have a very large problem in front of us that I do not know how to deal with.
And I think that it's important to recognize that one of the major problems is the blurring here.
This is not political.
This isn't about politics.
This is not about policies.
This is something else altogether.
And trying to approach it from the standpoint of arguing or politics, it's not going to work.
It's absolutely not going to work.
jordan holmes
Here's my pitch, all right?
Now, I think one of the speakers did point out that the nation was created, and he said it was created by God.
And I would argue that it was created because of King George and the like, and his ilk.
unidentified
Who's had it with these fact-checkers?
jordan holmes
But, but, maybe we should learn something from King George, Dan.
Okay?
What did King George do?
dan friesen
I already dispute your premise because I hate fact-checkers.
jordan holmes
What did King George do, or what did the King do when faced with Puritans?
You know, they were causing a ruckus, and then he was like, get the fuck out!
And then they all left.
dan friesen
Yeah, I know.
jordan holmes
So we shoot them to the moon, Dan.
dan friesen
This seems too much like those mentalities that I find kind of...
Noxious, which are the, like, if you don't like it, get out.
jordan holmes
I was being facetious, of course.
dan friesen
I know, but even as a joke, I don't really like it, because it sounds so much like the, you know, you hear this rhetoric from Trump people.
You know, you don't like Trump being your president?
alex jones
Get out!
dan friesen
You know, you don't, and I just don't think that's a good solution either.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know.
It's a tough time to be in the middle of this, because I don't really know how the ball breaks.
jordan holmes
Well, steadfast tolerance of intolerance clearly isn't working.
dan friesen
No, I would agree with that.
jordan holmes
Kicking people out.
dan friesen
That's not a great solution.
jordan holmes
Didn't work last time.
dan friesen
No.
Violence doesn't work.
jordan holmes
Violence doesn't do it.
Maybe we should try using like those...
So it's like 2020, right?
And that means that before 2020...
dan friesen
For another couple weeks.
jordan holmes
Before 2020, there was like a bunch of years.
And humans.
And they've probably dealt with some shit like this before.
We should probably try smarts.
dan friesen
Well, I wish that I had this clip.
Because actually, a really great...
General.
Michael Flynn, you might have heard of him.
jordan holmes
I've heard of him, yeah.
dan friesen
In his speech, he discusses how this has never happened in human history before.
jordan holmes
It's never happened.
dan friesen
So actually, we can't learn anything from history.
jordan holmes
Shit, I guess.
It's a completely new and unique situation.
It's really convenient how we can't know anything about this, so it's never happened before.
dan friesen
Yep, so unfortunately, you're wrong.
jordan holmes
All those book-learning idiots, this has never happened before.
Don't listen to them.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're a bunch of dumb fact-checkers.
Fuck them.
jordan holmes
Fuck them.
dan friesen
God damn it, I hate people.
Yeah, so I don't know.
Anyway, we'll be back on our next episode.
I'm talking more specifically about Alex Jones, but I...
I don't know.
These rallies sucked.
jordan holmes
They sucked.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledgefight.
Now go to Ben Jordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
If you could really find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work.
dan friesen
Yes.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
I am about to go buy a red sequined smoking jacket.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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