Knowledge Fight - #510: Fourth Time Is Not A Charm

Dec. 11, 2020 - Knowledge Fight

01:57:25

#510: Fourth Time Is Not A Charm

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Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dissect Alex Jones’ December 9th episode, where he falsely claims six Pfizer trial deaths (only two in the vaccine group) to stoke fear while downplaying Xanax risks—mirroring his pattern of cherry-picking data. They mock Jones’ viral meme tactics, like "killing, fucking, or fighting" Bill Gates, and debunk his 90% Democrat turnout lie from the 2020 election, exposing Rogan’s failure to challenge baseless claims despite resources. The episode’s pre-decided title, Fourth Try, Not a Charm, reflects its cringe-inducing mix of desperation, tribalism, and unproductive rants, proving Jones’ manipulative show thrives on misdirection rather than substance. [Automatically generated summary]
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alex jones

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dan friesen

58:30

joe rogan

11:56

jordan holmes

29:00

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Speaker	Time	Text
unidentified		Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Knowledgefight.com.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's time to pray.
unidentified		I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Knowledge fight.
		I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
		Shang me are the bad guys.
		Knowledge fight.
unidentified		Dan and Jordan.
unidentified		Knowledge fight.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I need money.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy and Panzer.
unidentified		Andy and Candy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You're chopping.
		Andy and Pansy.
		Andy and Kansas.
unidentified		Andy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's time to pray.
		Andy and Kansas.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Thanks for holding.
		Hello, Alex.
		I'm a fish pin color.
		I was here today and I love your room.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Knowledge fight.
		Knowledgefight.com.
		I love you.
		I love you.
unidentified		Hey, everybody.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm Dan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm Jordan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're a couple dudes like sit around, Drink Novelty Beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, indeed, we are.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jordan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan, throw it in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I have a quick question for you.
unidentified		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		My bright spot today is a follow-up to our bonus episode that we put out on Wednesday.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, we did.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		People can find that over on patreon.com slash knowledge fight.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can just look at it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		You don't have to be a subscriber or anything.
		It's free.
		It's public, but it's posted there on that page.
		And we had played a delightful game of Thomas Jefferson or not Thomas Jefferson quotes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And my bright spot is following up on some things from the Z mailbag.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Nick sent some chocolate and some of these little nano blocks.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes, yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have to say, first of all, that nanoblocks are the coolest, greatest thing.
		They are like little tiny Legos.
		And I found building this pelican to be incredibly like a Zen state.
		I just felt really good.
		I was relaxed building this one.
		Because you do have to focus.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Put the piece in the right place.
		It was great.
		It was like a really, it really triggered a lot of those feelings that I had that I loved about Legos.
		And I appreciate that gift.
		And then also a follow-up on that chocolate.
		The fizzy jelly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Did you save any for me?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I did not think so.
		And it was brutal because the moment you told me you liked it, I was like, I would like to try it.
		I know I'm never going to get the chance.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I will order a bar just so you can try it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just so I can try it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was so good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How was it good?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How was it good?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It was balanced.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Was it gummy?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Chewy?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There were little bits of gummy, but not like offensively so.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like it wasn't like there was a like gum in the middle or something.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then there was like a fizziness, like pop rocks kind of thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it wasn't over-the-top fizzy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It was a nonsense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		On paper, it doesn't work, but it was so good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is one of those things where you're going to have another one and you're going to be like, you know what?
		I realized all I liked was the fact that these things don't happen to me before.
		And now that I've tried them again, they're awful.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a chance, but as it stands now, I ate the fucking shit out of that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I want to try it.
		I want to try it.
		You could have saved me a piece.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, my bright spot was going to be the piece of chocolate I was about to eat.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		That's not going to happen.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, my brother.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know who has it?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Don Grand Prix has it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How's he doing?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		My bright spot is a movie called Wild Mountain Time, I think is what it's called.
		And it is an inexplicable movie.
		I love it.
		You know those movies.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fizzy jelly candy of movies.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		A little bit, yeah.
		You know those movies where you're like, this is not a good movie.
		This is not a bad movie.
		This movie just needed to exist where it didn't before.
		Like, it's just a thing that you're like, I'm glad that's there now.
		It wasn't.
		And it's my favorite type of story.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know exactly what you're talking about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's my favorite type of story for two reasons.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		One, it opens up with Christopher Walken doing voiceover in a terrible Irish accent that sounds like somebody doing an impression of Christopher Walken trying to do an Irish accent.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's fantastic.
		And you're like, oh, this is probably going to stop.
		Nope.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Keeps going.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Keeps going.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't stop.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It leads me to believe that it is a bad movie.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, it's amazing.
		It's amazing.
		And it's also my favorite type of Irish story, of which there are only two.
		There are two Irish stories in the world, Dan.
		There's Irish stories that go like this.
		Oh, my God, you're an outsider.
		Get the fuck away.
		And then over time, they're like, okay, fine, you can stay.
		But you know too much, so you can never leave.
		Or the other kind where it's like, ah, get the fuck away from here.
		And then they leave.
		Like, those are the only two types of.
		There's no story where the Irish people grow and change.
		Nuh, you're either in or out, and that's it.
unidentified		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And this is very much one of those stories.
		And then, like, the way it could be sold to you, the way that people are going to review it is there's like a twist at the end.
		There is not a twist.
		It's not a twist.
		It's just a reason, and it's going to blow your fucking mind.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm not going to watch this movie, but you got to see it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay, fine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm watching.
		Just because I want people to talk about it.
		I want more people to talk about it.
		I want to talk about this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're going to get some messages now for people who want to discuss Rocky Mountain Fever with a insane movie.
		I can't wait.
		All right.
		All right.
		Jordan, today we have an interesting episode to go over.
		My path was winding and rocky as I got to this episode, but I think we're going to have some fun.
		And before we get into the episode itself, let's take a little moment to say thank you, some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a great idea.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So first, Galen O. Thank you so much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Galen.
unidentified		Thank you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Next, Milo F. Thank you so much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Milo.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Next, Devin, thank you so much.
		You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Devin.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Next, most Nate.
		Thank you so much.
		You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Most Nate.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Next, Brody W. Thank you so much.
		You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Brody.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Next, Richard H. Thank you so much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Richard.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		And then finally, Jimmy Van Gogh.
		Thank you so much.
		You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Jimmy Van Gogh.
		All one word.
		I like that.
		That's Jimmy Carter's brother in the way it's Vincent Van Gogh's brother.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like that kind of makes sense.
		If you're out there listening and thinking, hey, I enjoy this show.
		I'd like to support these gents, too.
		You can do that by going to our website, naletright.com, clicking the button to say support the show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What you could do is you could take that generosity and you could just funnel it into some sort of creative spirit.
		And it doesn't matter what it's about.
		It doesn't matter what it's about or whether or not it's good.
		What it's about is getting it out there.
		So even if you're confused by your generous spirit, put it out there.
		Take it to a local bailfunder charity.
		And I'll be goddamned if it's not better said in Ireland.
		So there you go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Landed it.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Thank you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, Jordan, this episode today, we're going to start where I'm sort of going down this road, starting with a little bit from Wednesday, December 9th on Alex's show.
		He's in a weird headspace, kind of just bragging.
		There's about a half hour at the beginning.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's about a half hour bragging.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		About half hour of him just talking about how he's so popular.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Everybody loves him.
unidentified		All right.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, we've been taking off almost every box system that plugs into the internet and, quote, gives you cable.
		But Cloud TV is owned by Patriots.
		They put us on two years ago.
		We're number one on Cloud TV.
		And if you combine all news channels together, including OAN, we're bigger than all of them.
		Newsmax, OAN, all of them together.
		And again, they're kind of shocked by that.
		They even moved us.
		Used to, we were at the top because whatever was number one, they put at the top.
		They kind of moved us to the bottom.
		Like, well, he just dominates too much.
		We kind of have like a good read.
		I'll get some more viewers.
		And I'm not in competition with those folks.
		I love OAN.
		I really like Newsmax.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's just that they won't play.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Which is funny because we have more viewers than all of them combined on cloud TV.
		Obviously, OAN is on a bunch more cable systems and satellite systems, and I love it.
		And I hope OAN or Newsmax become the number one stations.
		I don't care.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're too popular.
		We're just so popular.
		We're too popular.
		They used to put us up at the top because we were so popular, but now they put us at the bottom.
		So other channels had a change.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That really doesn't sound right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't sound like good business logic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This goes on for so fucking long.
		I was getting so annoyed.
		And then Alex was like, not only am I the most popular thing, I'm also like super alpha.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		See, I'm an alpha male.
		So when I was a kid, I had the alpha jeans, I guess.
		And I'd see a stupid movie like Jason.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Jeanco jeans?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		513, where a guy's coming at you with a knife and you don't fight back and you run and you fall down and you bleed.
		I thought that was fake.
		I've grown up now.
		Actually, the average man or woman does fall down and starts groveling and going, please, but now, actually, if Jason pulled a knife out, the average liberal would run up and grab it and go, I love you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I love you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		This is good for me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Isn't in horror movies, isn't it the thing that people trip?
		Isn't that just a little bit of a shit?
		Yeah, running away.
		They'll like.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, white women in a scary situation in a horror movie are going to fall.
unidentified		But even dudes, too, like you trip over, but it's the trope that's.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that the people, I don't know, maybe there are some horror movies where people intentionally fall down and bag off with Jason, but I think it's mostly like they're trying to get away and then something happens.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, they were doing their best.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They weren't like, oh, shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe this monster will have mercy on you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, what I should have tried was groveling.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, I just got so damn tired of this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I was just like, I need because it was annoying.
		And it was meaningless.
		I just needed something, anything to go on.
		And there was one talking point that was going on on Wednesday's show.
		Like, I was trying to find something to pull out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And this is something that is worth discussing.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We've got a lot more here to cover, but FDA, six people died during Pfizer COVID vaccine trial.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we're going to be talking about something else as a whole on today's episode.
		But I did want to bring this up.
		I think it's important for us to cover this, and probably the sooner the better, because that feels like it's going to become a big talking point.
unidentified		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		On his show this week, Alex has been repeating this particular headline with outrageous repetition.
		Over at Infowars, you can find the headline, quote, FDA, six people died during Pfizer COVID vaccine trial.
		The actual article covers some of the details of this story, but these details, you don't really hear them when Alex covers it on the show because he just reads headlines, then rants about what he wants the story to be about.
		It sounds scary that six people died in these trials, but in cases like this, it's crucially important to consult the actual information to see what the data says.
		If you go to the FDA's website, you can find the vaccines and related biological products advisory committee briefing document on the new Pfizer vaccine.
		If you read this document, you'll find that six participants in the trial are dead.
		But that number has to be understood in context.
		The first thing to consider is that there were 43,252 participants enrolled in the study.
		Six out of that is a very low number.
		But even so, if the vaccine killed six out of 43,000 people, that still might be a cause for concern.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, if there's 330 million people getting the vaccine, you scale up, and that could be a lot of people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a huge number.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It would, you know, so that's why you kind of need to look a little bit further in the text.
		If you do, you'll find that four out of the six deaths were people who were in the placebo group, which is to say that they didn't even get the vaccine that's being tested.
		These deaths are absolutely unrelated to the vaccine because they didn't get the vaccine.
		So that leaves us with two people in the experimental group who died.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		One of whom was retroactively John F. Kennedy, so we know why he went down.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		His corpse was immune from COVID.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It didn't get COVID.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So these two individuals were both on the older group, which means that they were over 55 years of age.
		One experienced, quote, cardiac arrest 60 days after dose two and died three days later.
		This was a person who was in the trial, but two months afterwards had a heart attack.
		This is sad for that person, but almost certainly unrelated to the vaccine.
		The other person experienced, quote, arteriocirrhosis and died three days after dose one.
		Arteriocirrhosis is a gradual condition, and it's kind of absurd to imagine that it developed in three days because of a vaccine.
		In this case, it seems almost certain that there was an underlying condition unrelated to the vaccine that precipitated the death.
		I thought it might be possible that you can make a study out of whether or not the vaccine could have exacerbated an existing arterial cirrhosis, but that doesn't seem like it was a major concern of the authors.
		Doesn't seem like it was likely.
		So there were two deaths in the experimental group, but both are unlikely connected to the vaccine itself.
		But that report is being misrepresented and reported by people like Alex to be that six people died in the trial, and you're going to die too.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I just, it seems like a very obvious oversight for any news organization not to at least be like, six people died in the trial, only two received the vaccine in the headline.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not positive how any other outlet reported it should be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure, I should speak to that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I do agree with you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that seems that you got to do that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's an important detail.
		Yeah, you can't placebo group is very important when you're looking at that number.
		If two-thirds of the number you're talking about is in the placebo group.
		But I only know how it was reported on Infowars.
		Sure.
		And of course, their standard is lying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		A little bit of a different situation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The paper itself from the FDA explicitly lays this out.
		Quote, the incidence of severe adverse events and deaths were low in the context of the number of participants enrolled and comparable for experimental and placebo.
		So this is a disgusting lie on Alex's part, which he's able to pass off by neglecting to inform his audience of what the headline he's reading actually means.
		He gives the audience the illusion that he's informing them of important stuff when he reports that six people died in the vaccine trial.
		But what he's actually doing is misinforming.
		The flashy clickbait style headline is not necessarily untrue itself, but the conclusion it's meant to lead you to is a lie and a misrepresentation of the facts.
		So I got this.
		And I just was like, I'm not feeling it.
		He got one thing that's like, okay, that's important.
		And it'll probably be something you hear about moving forward as more countries roll out of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I was like, I don't want to, I don't care.
		I don't want to listen to half an hour of Alex rambling about how great he is.
		And then I started to think about it.
		This weekend, Alex is supposed to go down to D.C. He's supposed to go move to D.C.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that means I got to write a song about it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that is true.
		That is true.
		You've got some work to do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I felt like Monday.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		A lot of follow-ups don't equal the original.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Monday, we've got to get into Alex going to D.C. and all that stuff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And we'll have a little better idea of what happened with that protest.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We have a responsibility.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I was thinking, we have a responsibility to do other things.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And maybe now is the best time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're not going to do Rogan, are we?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Would you take DMT with Joe Biden?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, 100%.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		100%?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God damn it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh, shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we're going to cover the time that last week, I think, maybe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, just recently, Joe Rogan showed up in Alex's studio in Austin, and they did a four-hour interview, which I regretfully about the vaccine shit, which is that I mean, just to take one quick step back, it is amazing to me that they can turn six dead in this trial into a terrifying thing whenever like it went we went from a brand new disease to a vaccine in a year and a half.
		That's a fucking miracle.
		It's a miracle.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a year and a half.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a miracle to have done that.
		Like not since, but like what?
		Like they did it one time faster in like the 1950s.
		Like it's a crazy miracle.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And they're just like, oh, six dead.
		Like, 100 years ago, they would be like, this is the demon.
		Like, this is incredible.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I didn't read that entire FDA document, but I was looking over the section about the severe and non-severe adverse events.
		And a lot of it didn't see it.
		Like, you know, they have to report everything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, like, there's like stats for the number of people who had like a rash.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or like pain in the sight of vaccination.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified		It's like, all right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All that information is there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's there.
		Anyway, I agree.
		I agree.
		Yeah.
		But we have issues.
		We have issues to deal with.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I want to be a globalist.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How do I get in?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		God damn.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're really doing this, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're really going to listen to Joe Rogan talk shit about people infinitely smarter than I'm going to say this ahead of time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I tried to steer away from conversation about how fucked up they are.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because I think that's kind of boring, and it's not really all of that.
		Like, I would, if I were in a studio with Joe Rogan, I probably would be fucked up too.
		And it's kind of low-hanging fruit a little bit, and it would become tiresome.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think we just put a disclaimer up top.
		These guys are fucked up.
		Yeah, yeah, exactly.
		We know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And I think that other, like, other people living their lives, I don't think there's anything wrong with being fucked up.
		No, I do think that there's something probably wrong about Alex presenting himself the way he does and then being super fucked up with Rogan and talking nonsense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't really care that much.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not a square.
		Whatever.
		Anyway, it's not as good as when Alex was on Rogan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because Alex isn't really trying to impress as much as he is just trying to solidify the bond between the two of them and try and get whatever he can out of it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But there is still a number of things that I think are important teachable moments.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		I mean, Rogan in Alex's studio isn't fun because they're on more of an equal footing.
		Like, not in an equal footing, but Alex doesn't have to supplicate himself quite as much.
		Because when he goes into...
		Oh, no.
		Oh, no.
		He really.
		Oh, what a white.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Why don't we start?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What a white.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How dare you say you're an alpha?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Why don't we start and listen to this alpha?
unidentified		InfoWars, the most banned network in the world.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I got to tell you, I get bigger goosebumps with this guy on the air than when I've had Donald Trump on and movie stars.
		No, no, seriously.
		I've known you for 22 years, and you're a fun, really smart, amazing guy, and you've put up a lot of my crap, and he's the number one, not just podcaster, but talk show host of the world.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Joe Rogan, my fellow Texan, Alex Jones.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for having me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Supplication.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right out of the game.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Did he learn that from Stevie Pease, that level of obsequiousness?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it must have rubbed off.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Over the years, you just learn how to compliment people if you get your balls rubbed by Stevie Pease enough.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So there's a constant, consistent thing throughout this interview where Alex seems to want to hit a couple of points pretty hard.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		One of them is, why did you move from LA?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Why, like, how is Spotify?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Tell me, tell me everybody in LA is evil.
		Tell me, Spotify is a great company to work with, and they might be willing to pay me.
		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Can you smooth things out with me at Spotify?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, they let me on your show on Spotify.
		Maybe they'll let my show on Spotify.
		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, just a couple of other pointed things run throughout.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so Alex starts off with, hey, man, why'd you leave LA?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I really loved Texas for so long.
		And I always was attached to LA because of the comedy store and because of business and just doing stand-up there and podcasts there.
		But once they locked everything down, this was the logical place for me to move.
		And for me, it felt like I had a nice excuse to move here.
		And just like, I had thought about moving here for a long time, but it didn't seem feasible.
		And then as soon as the lockdowns happened and then the riots and the looting, and I was like, I got to get the fuck out of L.A.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't believe that for a second.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's almost certainly tax-related.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		$100 million.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I just got $100 million and LA charges me a lot of money, it turns out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I understand that, you know, Joe would perform in LA and shit, but like, I don't think he lived in the city.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he lived anywhere where, let's say, protests were.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		There were so many looters and rioters outside of Joe Rogan's neighborhood.
		Recent 100 millionaire.
		Joe Rogan's million.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I just don't buy it.
		I find this brings artificial and false.
		But it is probably about the best thing you could do as opposed to saying, like, I'm fucking loaded now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't need them anymore.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I used to be rich.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now I'm comically rich.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can be comically rich anywhere I want.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it just so happens that Texas is the state where I can stay the most comically rich.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's either Texas or moved to Miami, and I don't think he's going to Miami.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex also, in with his sort of Steve Pieczenik-esque buttering, he's constantly asking Joe, like, what's it like to be the most famous person in the world?
unidentified		You were so successful early on in your career.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All this stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What's it like having the biggest dick anyone's ever seen?
		Joe Rogan.
		What is it like?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		More or less.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Someone said once, a friend of mine said that I'm the bridge between the meatheads and the potheads.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I like to look at it that way.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was kind of my next angle and my next question.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you've been doing podcasting over 10 years, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's yeah, yeah, 2009, so it's almost 11 years.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It'll be 11 years in December.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And it was big right away.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I mean, you've been big, but right away, you've probably been big.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, it wasn't big at all in the beginning.
		Like, literally, no one was watching.
		It was a, it's part of the comedy show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We were watching Joe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Little brother vibes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This isn't the fucking today show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Good God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you you were successful early on despite your experience in it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you about your experience.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I know it better.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I was watching.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So four minutes in to this interview, four minutes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They've had some pleasantries, and it's like all just kind of like, oh, yeah, you're so great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's so great to have you here.
unidentified		Awesome.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They start smoking weed four minutes in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		On air?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let's go back to that.
		That was my first question.
		How did you develop your worth ethic and drive?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You have some great tobacco.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I'll take a pot.
		Well, you gotta be gay about your tobacco.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You can try to smash my tobacco.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What did you just say?
		So they're smoking weed.
		And there was a meme that went around or like a video that someone put together from the last time Alex was on Rogan, and they spliced together things to make it sound like Alex wanted to have sex with Joe.
		Oh, and sort of it went around on Twitter and stuff.
		And so Alex is constantly leaning into that show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's hoping that someone else makes a video.
		It's really desperate and very pathetic.
		Right, right.
		It's obnoxious.
		He's just outrageously desperate to get a meme out of this.
		I think that's what he wants more than even having Joe on, is like somebody in Joe's audience will make something that'll go viral.
		Yeah.
		That's kind of the goal.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm looking for 20,000 likes on something.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And if you got to make fun of me, you got to make fun of me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, that's how people have really embraced me because I love being made fun of.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I don't get folks that don't like it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, you get a kick out of him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a show he would love then.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If Alex likes being made fun of, I have a podcast to recommend to him: Gold Fucking Knowledge Fight.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I kind of enjoy it.
		I don't think he's very serious when he says that.
		I kind of think that he has very thin skin.
		I might think he has a hair trigger as well.
		I think he might react negatively when he receives any criticism whatsoever.
		Yeah.
		Yeah, that could be.
		Well, I could be wrong, though.
		Maybe he's an avid fan.
unidentified		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He does not like being made fun of, but he likes to say that he likes being made fun of.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, it makes him look cool.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He kind of likes being made fun of in ways that are profitable to him, though.
		So if someone makes a meme that's poking fun at him and he gets a ton of people and a ton of attention and his name is all over the place, then he'll take it.
		I'll accept being made fun of for a profit.
		Right, right, right.
		I will accept payment to be in the dunk tank, but I will not do it for fun.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's a sad clown in many ways.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But you know who's not Joe Rogan?
unidentified		Joe Rogan is a little bit of a sad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's the most famous person in the world.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He is the Walter Cronkite of our time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, no.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		When did you realize that you were in the Zeitgeist?
		Because you were already in the Zeitgeist TV shows and UFC and big movies and the national champion Taiwanese.
		I mean, you've had success since day one.
		You had to fight hard for it.
		But when did you realize, oh my God, I'm like a real superstar, not of some just empty movie or an empty actor that reads off a teleprompter or script.
		You get to be your own self and be the biggest.
		That's very rare.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The tobacco is kicking in.
		I don't know if I ever realized it.
		I'm not sure if I still realize it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
		You got to like what?
		Because, I mean, I'm pretty super famous, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		One of the reasons why I like pot is it makes me think about much more interesting things.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I kind of respect that answer because it's a really embarrassing question.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And for Joe, as a person, like the graceful, dignified way to respond to that is, I don't think about that too much.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		Because to imagine that you do think about it is gross.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Joe, I have a quick question.
		How often and strenuously do you sniff your own farts and believe them to be amazing?
		Could you just tell me real quick?
		Your farts don't stink, obviously, sir.
		Obviously.
		When did you first notice?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, like, what other answer could he give that doesn't make him look like a shithead?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm the fucking greatest!
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I fucking did it!
unidentified		Well, I think it was about July 2014 that I realized that I was the king of the world.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What is it the Great Pothead Meathead Summit of 2016?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Whenever I brought them together, no one thought that I could reach détente between the two, but much like Steve Pieczenik solving all the world conflicts, I solved the meathead jock pothead conflict.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It turns out everybody likes doing nothing sometimes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex tried to destroy Joe when Joe said that he couldn't be on his show.
		So as this goes, a couple times back when Alex was on, he lied to Joe's face about Sandy Hook.
		He did do that.
		Yes.
		And apparently Joe found out about this, and it was right around when a lot of attention was going on with the Sandy Hook suit.
		Might have been around the time Alex threatened to murder the opposing council, or I'm sorry, put out a million-dollar hit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What's a million dollars between friends?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		So Joe said that Alex couldn't be on his show for the time being until that was resolved.
		Alex said that Joe was a sneaky snake that threatened to destroy him, started talking about his children.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's kids.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He didn't threaten to kill his guests, but he was talking about them in a way that is very inappropriate for public discussion.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Now, Alex kind of wants to say sorry about all that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm going to meet a couple of something before we get into the hardcore issues here with you tonight.
		We appreciate you being here, Joe.
		And that's that I've kind of gotten whacked out under all the pressure, all the attacks.
		The opposite of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We've been over this so many times.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The opposite of fame, though.
		It's like being the villain is you almost start becoming the villain.
		But I just want to say the way you helped me.
		High road, that was a big help.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, we just need to talk.
		You and I have been friends for a long time.
		And I think that's, it's just a it's really a microcosm of what is happening online with people is that they're not talking to each other.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is not a microcosm of what's going on with social media.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not communicating with each other.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's very much a case of Alex trying to ride your coattail.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is one of those things where I remember this quote from Sinbad, and I will till the day I die.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The sailor or the comedian?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The comedian.
		Okay.
		Comics are funnier when they ride the bus.
		Just that simple, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about, you 100 millionaire dumbass.
		What are you talking about?
		What's going on online right now?
		Yeah.
		Your experience is stupid.
		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		And like, Joe, I don't know what the fuck he thinks Alex does for a living.
		Like, I don't, I don't know.
		Does he not know what Alex's show is about?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's never watched it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Does he imagine?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't have the time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Does he imagine that Alex is talking about real conspiracies still?
		Yeah.
		Because he can't possibly know the horrible things Alex said about him for days.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's quite a bit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not just they needed to talk.
		Alex was turning their fight into content.
		Yeah, but he was monetizing fighting between the two of them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you were Joe's friend, wouldn't you be like, hey, I saw, I know you probably don't have time to see him for us, but I saw this online and it's this whole long series of things that Joe said or that Alex said directly about you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You should watch this and remember it forever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Let's say that you're a friend of mine and we have a falling out and like maybe you're a high-profile person too.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't have the instinct to threaten to destroy you for attention on air.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of like that's a bad person.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if I started my own show, like we have a falling out and I start my own show and then all of a sudden you just start going on, I'm going to kill Jordan Rance.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		One, your show would become far more popular.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sneaky snake Jordan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And two, I would be very offended, Dan.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That would hurt my feelings.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nonsense.
		Oh, we just needed to talk.
		Anyway, Alex carries on this charade that he actually knows anything about what he's talking about.
		And in this clip, we kind of get the first real meaty thing that I think happens.
		And that is like a full demonstration of why Joe Rogan cannot do the things he's doing.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		When I get into issues, when I'm being serious, I mean, I'm because you can differ on my interpretation, but if I'm saying I've got a clip or I've got something, I've got it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's why I wanted to clarify that on the podcast really clearly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I think we accomplished it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You did a great job.
		By the way, I felt terrible that night and you pat him on the back and you said, this will be the best one.
		You just got proven right.
		I'm surprised almost everything you said was accurate.
		I thought it feels a big mistake.
		And you were damn right.
		My buddy Pat Raleigh was there and he said, that was your best podcast with Joe ever.
		I went home depressed.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is why Joe is not equipped to do the job that he's assigned for himself.
		Joe didn't fact-check Alex, but he gave just enough of the appearance of doing so to rationalize continuing his association with him.
		Joe could have and should have completely destroyed Alex's career on that podcast, but he didn't have the ammo that he needed to take that shot.
		And because he didn't, now that podcast gets to be pointed to as a time when Alex's beliefs were really put to the test and he was found to be correct.
		It's just a pathetic display from all parties, and I find it difficult to imagine that Joe doesn't have some awareness of what he's doing.
		And here's what makes me the most convinced of that.
		On that last podcast that they did, Alex presented Joe with information that he was previously unaware of.
		The Rockefeller Foundation had a public plan called Operation Lockstep that is identical to the current COVID-19 response.
		According to Alex, everything that's happening now was planned 10 years ago by these evil globalists, and the documents are easily accessible to prove it.
		I do not believe that a sincere person would not finish the podcast and then immediately or at their first opportunity check that claim.
		Alex can either be right or wrong.
		If he's wrong, your friend is a liar and he's using your platform to spread misinformation that's going to get people killed and you're complicit in it.
		If he's right, there's a very easily provable conspiracy to kill off the population using the illusion of an outbreak, and it seems like knowing that for certain would be pretty important.
		The only thing that really makes sense here is if Joe is treating Alex like Eddie Bravo, it's fun to talk to him about the crazy bullshit he believes, but there's literally no reason to take any of it seriously or think about it for a second outside of his presence.
		Joe's not going to dig into whether the earth is flat after hanging out with Eddie, and he's not going to research the fake Operation Lockstep after hanging out with Alex because he takes them equally seriously.
		Joe probably thinks that what he's doing is fine and innocent enough, but he's doing a lot of damage and doing a bad job while pretending to fact-check Alex.
		If you just want to shoot the shit with your friend, fine.
		Once you step into the game of validating his conspiracies and pretending that you're doing some kind of rigor or due diligence on this, you're giving Alex all the carte blanche to your audience that he needs.
		You're basically selling your audience to him.
		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can't, like, the first sentence he said is just like, we can differ on interpretation.
		And it's like, you on some things you can, but there are things that are or are not.
		It's not everything is not differable on interpretation.
		And then, second, you always have the documents.
		Why?
		Why would you say that?
		Why would you say he always has the documents?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, because it's a joke.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I hate it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, it's sad.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's pathetic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, Alex has a gift for Joe, not only the gift of ass kissery and nonsense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He also has physical gifts.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You've given me a lot of great UFC tickets, been really nice to me for 20-plus years, and I've never really gotten you anything.
		And I've seen people give you gifts on the show.
		It's usually some PR thing that they're selling.
		I don't own any stock in this.
		It's a great rifle.
		I really enjoy it.
		So this is something where you can go get four or five Grizzly Bears.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's so Texas.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Grizzly Bears at the same time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Go to these rounds.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Guys, bring the rifle in here.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So this is your gift, along with that box of cigars.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I got him cigars and a rifle.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just like a parody of masculinity.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		That's really bad.
		That would be a little bit too on the nose in a movie.
		I would be like, okay, guys, we get it.
		They're supposedly men.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're brothers.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		All right.
		Yeah, this is a man cave.
		I gotcha.
		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Here's where it gets even worse.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Tiggle it back.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Here's where it gets even worse.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now remember, they're smoking weed and drinking booze.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Drinking booze.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he has just gifted Joe a rifle.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then Alex says this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's really wild.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Joe, pick up the rifle and trot it out a little bit.
		Let me try it out.
		You know what I mean?
		Just check it out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Let's just put it away.
		I know what a rifle is.
		I got a bunch of them.
		How Texas is this?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is the right response.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, put it away.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a good response.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I was very afraid because generally whatever Infowars, hey, pick up that rifle is a, of course I'll pick up that rifle.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex Jones, the pinnacle of gun safety, just the guy who loves the Second Amendment to responsible gun ownership.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey, we're stoned.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't shoot it.
unidentified		Don't shoot it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey, why don't you test out that rifle?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Test it out.
		Give it a go.
		Give it a go inside.
		Don't shoot it, though.
		Just swing it around.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Point it at your friends.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So they get to talking about like sort of meds and medication.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Joe knows some people who have mixed drugs with meds, and it's had a bad response.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Uh-oh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Some side effects.
		There's different people with different side effects, you know, and some people and cocaine.
		You know, there's a lot of people that say that mixing it with cocaine turns you psychotic.
		Or no harm.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Say Xanax.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's terrible for you.
		And a lot of people do it.
		It's terrible for you.
		They say, don't drink on this.
		People are like, yeah, okay.
		And they drink on it.
		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The problem isn't the meds, though.
		Yeah.
		It's the coke.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, that's the one.
		It's the inverse of what you think is.
		I can't do my Coke on these meds.
		No, you're sir?
		Sir, let me back you up one step.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is what it seems to be saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It does kind of seem to be that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, they can't stop doing Coke.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I've been Freemason for 10 years now, and just because you want me to take this med, oh, my cholesterol's high.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fuck you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Mixing booze and Xanax is really dangerous.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So people who are on Xanax who actually use it as prescribed.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a little bit like he's saying, no, I'm on booze.
		I'm taking Xanax, okay?
		That's my recreation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's very strange.
		Also, very strange to hear that Joe's position on marijuana is evolving a little bit.
		And I think that's probably good because I think, from everything I could tell, there is a little bit of a cartoonish pro-marijuana.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Cartoonish carte blanche of permissiveness to it's all good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nothing bad can ever come of it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that was kind of a position he may have presented earlier on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's non-addictive, and you blow the smoke in your four-year-old's face.
		It's good stuff.
		Move on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's now evolved a little bit into a position where it seems like he is aware that sometimes it can have negative outcomes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, I've been more and more open over the last few years, especially to recognizing that pot's not always safe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I don't think it's a good idea to tell everybody it's always safe.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, they made it so strong that it's definitely been connected to increases in schizophrenia.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I have no money.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it's from a potency perspective.
		I think maybe it's always happened and we just didn't recognize it.
		Oh, I know it wasn't.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I know two people personally who were normal and started smoking a lot of pot and went crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I do as well.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Including edibles.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Two of them worked here.
		One of them started thinking that everyone was reptiles.
		David Eichston, he wasn't going to say that.
unidentified		I got bad news for you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If those people worked at Infowars previously, they weren't normal.
		They weren't starting from a really grounded place.
		And then they started smoking weed.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Might as well have just been like, they started listening to me.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so the sign that this person had lost it is that they thought everyone was reptiles when in reality, everyone is dead.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Interdimensional demons, duh.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What are you high?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the difference between mental health and losing it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Do you think people are reptiles or do you think they're interdimensional demons?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		I don't understand why people would listen to this.
		I don't understand why people would listen to two people have the same dumb thoughts you could already have at home.
unidentified		Oh.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, totally.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, this is terrible.
		Like, I have thoughts that you can think of at home, but it's interesting because you have knowledge and research and shit.
		Not we're both just being like, hey, I half remember the content of this thing that I might have read.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		One of the reasons I ultimately decided to do this episode was because I'm looking forward to Monday, and we have the trip to D.C.
		Sure.
		For the episode on Monday, I don't know when we'll have time to get to the Rogan episode, if not now.
		Of course.
		And then the other more motivating factor was that it is something that people are curious about.
		People are curious about a four-hour fucking episode with Roger.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's not real.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And no one should have to listen to that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No one.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's so long.
		It's mean.
		There were long stretches where I was listening to this, and I'm just like, I don't care.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't care.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, because there are parts that are just like, okay, this is just a stupid conversation.
		It's not really relevant.
		It's not that entertaining just talking about a fun time you all had or something like Joe Rogan does like 10 minutes about how great Joey Diaz is as a comedian.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He is great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Whatever.
unidentified		I don't care.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If I wanted that, I'd listen to Rogan's podcast where he talks about how great Joey is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would listen to Rogan's podcast.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Just like there's so much that I'm just like, skip.
		And so I'll save people the time.
		I'll listen to it for you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And we can just listen to the parts that are interesting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like finding out that two of Alex's got into the grass.
unidentified		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then they lost their minds.
		Right.
		Also, Alex thinks that he's interviewing Joe, kind of.
		But the tables turn.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Uh-oh.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I talk about interdimensional things.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That's what the globalists believe in.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever had an interdimensional experience?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm interviewing Joe Rogan today.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why are we interviewing each other, man?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, We're not.
		I just want to get all the cool stuff out.
		Let's just talk.
		Okay, I'll tell you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he did not want to answer that question.
		He wanted to dodge that.
		Have you ever had an interdimensional experience?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Explain to me how that question can blow you away if it's like interdimensional.
		I talk about interdimensional stuff, of course.
		That's what the globalists believe.
		Have you ever had one?
		Because if I say yes, then I would have to admit that I also believe in that shit, and that's kind of probably going to sound bad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it sounds silly for me to say that's what the globalists believe if I've experienced it and I know it's real as well.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It kind of makes me look like an idiot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But then if I say no, then the globalists are just a bunch of weirdos who have beliefs that aren't true.
unidentified		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What kind of power is there in that?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not a lot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, kind of a trap.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex doesn't really answer, but then he does say this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to make this about me, but I can actually shift into a psychic awareness.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A psychic awareness?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But a higher level.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How well do you think you'd do at rock, paper, scissors?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You know, we can joke about that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Probably pretty good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They do not test this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They do not test this, although I wish they would.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why wouldn't you immediately be like, okay, rock, paper, scissors?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you better win every time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'll give you a minute to shift into your psychic state.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then you better win or you're full of shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is huge.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't have to do any voices vibe out of this guy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Hey, I don't know about interdimensional experiences, but I can shift into a psychic state.
		What?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't that be an interdimensional experience?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would hope so.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, Alex has a good example of when he has done this in the past.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, but I know how to, you know, let's just say I wouldn't call the exaggeration accelerated to the next power where they claim it's like astral projection or remote viewing.
unidentified		Right.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But I can't control it.
		I've had a lot of dreams that come exactly true later.
		And I've called a lot of things.
		Like two months before 9-11, I said they're going to blow up the World Trade Center and blow moment live.
unidentified		What?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Simple said I had a dream about it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Kept having a recurring dream.
unidentified		What?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you talk about this?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		On Aaron, yeah, there's videos over here.
		No.
		So I can't really control it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Holy shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that's amazing, but that's only one data point.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's not amazing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
		We've talked about it.
		We did all that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a whole episode.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But like, That's just one piece of data.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What if he had a second dream that came true?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Kept having this recurring dream of a guy in a pink and green striped sweater when I walked around the side of a building attacking me with like a club.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was Bill Gates.
		And was he wearing one of Dallas?
		Mr. Rogers sweaters.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And we used to drive into town.
		I was like 15, but with older kids to get alcohol.
		He had to drive into downtown Dallas to get alcohol and weed.
		We go to like little crack houses and we were buying weed at them.
		And then I was going around the side of one of these buildings and it was a white crackhead and he tried to attack me.
		I'd had the exact dream a whole bunch of times and missed when he tried to club me in the head.
		So it was like a, it was like my psychic understanding to get past that point.
		Happen like two months later.
		I kept having the dream of this guy and I'm all of a sudden walking around the side of this house to buy some weed.
		I wasn't even a big weed guy, but we're driving out to get for girls and this guy tries to club me in the head, a crackhead, and it's the same guy from the dream.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Jesus Christ.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He had those dreams.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So you've had two of those, two big ones.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You've had a lot of other ones, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A lot of them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		These are the two examples that he uses, though.
		Holy shit.
		So I guess maybe that was like he'd seen Nightmare on Elm Street.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I guess.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's so, that's so bullshit.
unidentified		Fuck.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't, I have one rule.
		Don't ever tell anybody about your dreams unless it's a sex dream with someone interesting.
		No one else, no one cares about anything else.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm positive that I could come up with some stories of dreams I had that I could make match things that happened later.
		Yeah, yeah.
		Anybody.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But you can fudge the details because it's a dream.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You don't perfectly remember it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		How can you prove any of this?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Fuck off.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So this is, Alex gets back to the 9-11 prediction, and he says something that I actually think is a real problem.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was a two-hour thing I did in July 25th, 2001.
		I went ahead and went on air and said, The World Trade Center, blowing on the CIS, it bin Laden and launched all these wars.
		And I said, oh, I just got this from analysis and information, but I kept having the dream of the towers smoking and all the rest of it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So what I want to point out and take issue with here is that Alex admits that he lied about what the information source was.
		He is saying, I said that it was based on analysis, but really it was the product of a prophetic dream that I had.
		Because he knew in 2000 that he could not say I had a dream about this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That would be very, very silly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I would suggest that if this is all true, and Alex is being, he's reporting this accurately, then what happened was he was listening to a ton of Bill Cooper and Patriot ass radio back then.
		And at that point in time, it seeped into his subconscious.
		Bill Cooper was saying very similar things.
		And that's why he was dreaming about it.
		Yeah.
		And you combine that with the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center.
		The feelings, like Bin Laden was somebody who was known at the time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, and he did say he was going to bomb the World Trade Center.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was very explicit about it, too, like a long time in advance.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So like Alex's dreams about this are more likely the product of influences that he had.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then he got on air and pretended that he was some kind of expert, had some analysis.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that's kind of a microcosm of his career.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Pretending that he has information that he's just coming up with out of his fantasies.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would say that what he's done is invalidate any time he's ever said that he predicted 9-11 as being like a result of work.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		At best, you had a dream.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You had a dream.
		Right.
		So then I will, so then if you could, your entire career is based on a lie, unless you are selling yourself as a pure psychic who can predict things as opposed to analyze them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it calls into question other times that he said he's analyzed things or he has information.
		Is he actually just lying about some sort of a dream?
		Yeah.
		How seriously should you take any information that he provides if he was willing to pass off a prediction about a terrorist attack as an analysis when it was actually a dream?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, he did say Chicago was going to be nuked.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How are we doing?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're fine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He might have had a dream.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But we might still be fucked.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he had a dream.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That sounds about right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, look, this is an interview.
		They're going to get down to the nitty-gritty.
		They're going to get down and find out what the truth is unless Joe doesn't want to have an interview.
unidentified		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So what got you into comedy?
unidentified		Oh, Alex, this is so forced.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What got me into comedy?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It is not forced.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're asking me questions like we're doing an interview.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, because I actually can talk plenty.
		Look out.
		No, I didn't write these questions.
		I did write these questions.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You have to follow those.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		If you were magically made ruler of the world, what are three things you would do to change the world as it is?
		Alex Jones never does this.
		I'm being different.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think the two of them are working on the exact same page here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that Alex is kind of wanting to get something, and Joe just wants to have a conversation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is Joe funny anymore?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's charismatic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I thought I would expect he would go for a joke every now and again.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think he comes off pretty well.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		At least he's decent.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think he says a number of really stupid things.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But at the same time, like I, you know, watching this, I was thinking, like, I could probably hang out with Rogan.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I could probably get along with him as long as we didn't get into these sorts of topics.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because I think it might be fun.
		And as long as it wasn't like a show.
		I mean, I wouldn't want to do, like, I wouldn't want to be on his show.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		But just hanging out socially, having a conversation, I think he could probably be a lot of fun.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he definitely hung out and had social conversations in green rooms with far worse people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Totally.
		And the way that he's able to, like, Alex, you're forcing it.
		Why are you asking a question?
		When did I get into comedy?
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, yeah, that's an indication, at least on some level, that he's willing to have a conversation that's not boring.
		That's true.
		But in terms of him being funny, I'm not 100% sure.
		But Alex thinks he's funny.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		How about this?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Kill fuck or fight.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, who?
unidentified		Who is it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't want to kill him.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You're going to fuck him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I don't want to fight him.
		I don't want to hurt him.
		It'd probably be the most gentle if I fuck him.
		Right?
		If we double fight to keep him alive?
		No, that's rude.
		That and then you're just making a mockery of it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So you want a personal moment with Bill Gates?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm trying to feed the memes, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So desperately.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wow, that's so desperate to try and get a meme going.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's really bad.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of heart-wrenching, honestly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's cringy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's very cringy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Especially since he's trying to, it seems like he's getting so much mileage out of just saying fuck.
		Just like, kill, fuck, fight.
		Like, you know, you want him to say that.
		It's like a family feud question.
		It's like, you want Grandma to say tits.
		We know it.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a little bit of a problem, too, in that, like, Joe doesn't seem to hate Bill Gates, whereas Alex claims to know that he runs the world and wants to kill everyone.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, there is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Alex doesn't challenge Joe on his non-hatred of Bill Gates, which seems weird considering everything Alex says about Bill Gates all the time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would have said, you know, he's one of the 12.
		Yeah.
		Wouldn't you have said that?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or maybe he's a middle management.
unidentified		Who knows?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It could be middle management.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		When Alex was on Joe's podcast last, it was a disgraceful showing.
		There were just tons and tons of things that were factually inaccurate, emotionally inaccurate.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And manipulative at the very least.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And, you know, we did our episode about it.
		And if anybody's interested, they can find cataloging of them there.
		But Joe seems to think that people were desperate to find something that Alex was wrong about.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let's go ahead and play it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's Bill Gates himself saying that the vaccine made 80% of the people ill, which is exactly what you said on the podcast.
		And people were complaining and they were angry.
		They were trying to find something that you said that was wrong.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It was so hard.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because we basically checked everything you said, and all of it proved to be accurate.
		So then we got to this part where you said 80% of the people that took the vaccine got sick.
		And people are like, he's spreading anti-vaccine conspiracy theories.
		So I said, okay, listen, here's the video.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're not desperate to find things that Alex is wrong about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It was not a struggle, really.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of a Google search, honestly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Kind of an exhausting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a bit of a Google search.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It was an exhausting cataloging of things that he was wrong about that took for fucking ever.
		But Joe, I don't understand how he can possibly not recognize that Alex was lying.
		Like the Project Lockstep, Operation Lockstep thing is so glaring that he should never talk to Alex ever again.
		But he seems to think that everybody was so desperate to find one thing, one place where Alex didn't dot his I or cross his T. See, this is a struggle because it does seem like he doesn't take Alex seriously.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So how can you also say that?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the conflict that I have.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, he doesn't take this information seriously.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Obviously.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So how can you say that it's proven and then not react to it really like it's an issue?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		How can you go out of your way to rationalize Alex and sell him to your audience while at the same time not taking a step and seeing if his fucking conspiracy about a plan to destroy everyone in the present using COVID-19 has any credence to it?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		How could you be that not curious if you're willing to vouch for him?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How could you believe that that stuff has been proven and not use five of your hundred million dollars to do something about it?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If you believe what Alex is saying, then the elites are killing all of us, murdering us all, and you have $100 million.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You should buy InfoWolf.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You could do something about it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How do you not make that just, I'm just a regular old guy just being trampled on the machine.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Fuck you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what his answer to that would be.
		And I don't understand how he can have this completely bizarre relationship with Alex.
		It doesn't make any sense.
		But I think one of the ways that he's able to play it publicly is to be like, yeah, everyone's just mad about things that you say because you're saying them.
		They're too attached to the messenger.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		People get trapped into the messenger.
		They get trapped into the messenger instead of listening to the information.
		A fucking moron might have something important to say.
		You never know.
		When someone is an idiot, not you, but if someone's an idiot at most things and they come to you with one fact, someone could be a fucking liar all the time.
		But then they come to you with one fact that they saw on TV and you're like, get the fuck out of here.
		That's where crying wolf comes from, right?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Everybody knows that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A couple of.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Did you learn the wrong lesson from the very story you just referenced?
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The lesson's supposed to be like in that story is that when you cry wolf a bunch of times and there is no wolf, people will not believe you when you cry wolf.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're saying there is a wolf.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The lesson of that story isn't that the people who stop believing someone who constantly lied about there being a wolf are wrong to not believe him the last time.
		That's a completely bizarre interpretation of that story.
		The takeaway is supposed to be that if you're a liar and the lies you're telling affect other people, you can cause serious damage to people with your lies because the time you're telling the truth about a threat, they might not believe you.
		Alex is kind of the boy who cried wolf, except in his version, there still isn't a wolf at the end.
		He's just continuing to lie.
		And the boy is getting rich selling anti-wolf pills to a particularly gullible set of people in town.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's an issue there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, this is a critically important point.
		Joe is saying that people cannot hear the things Alex says and evaluate them on their merits because they're caught up in the messenger.
		They hate Alex, so he must be wrong about everything.
		This is exactly the problem with how Joe engages with Alex, just in the reverse.
		It's Joe who's completely caught up on the messenger and refuses to accept the possibility that Alex is a malignant narcissist who is not his friend.
		I hate Alex Jones more than most people, and I can easily separate my feelings about how repulsive he is from whether or not specific claims he makes are based in reality.
		It's not a difficult exercise because I care, because I believe that there's a reason that this matters.
		For all Joe's talk about ideas and good ideas beating bad ideas, he doesn't think any of this shit he's talking about matters.
		He's trapped by the illusion in his head that he's created where Alex is a good guy who means well, which he only believes because the two of them have gotten fucked up together a couple times and said offensive things to each other, which is bonding, I guess.
		And Alex gave him a rifle.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Cigars, too.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I challenge Joe to take his own advice and separate the messenger from the message.
		Start with Operation Lockstep and go from there.
		And consider the possibility that this person you insist is your friend is actually a dangerous liar.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do.
		I mean, to your point, yeah.
		Okay, Joe, then do you watch like the other conservative news networks?
		Whenever they say all that bullshit, do you go, well, obviously I must believe them because it's true.
		That's the only because they're not the no, that's so fucked up.
		He is absolutely tied to the to just I will defend Alex no matter what.
		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, it's it's sucks.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it kind of sucks, but it also is really gaslighty to say that people who like disagree can't possibly have substance-based reasons for disagreeing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We just hate Alex.
		It's all about your feelings.
		It's always.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's creating this archetype of like all criticism is coming from SJW snowflakes who are all mad because Alex Jones is too manly or something.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that's so boring.
		You're like trafficking in this fetishization of ideas and that's the idea you have?
		Well, what it is, we've done 500 something episodes of this podcast about substance that's wrong with Alex Jones.
		It's not, I don't, I'm not just mad at him.
		We would have stopped a long time ago.
		I was just mad at him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's such bullshit, Joe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's just like with Alex's fears of and then being like on the other side and he wants those things to happen.
		It's what he's afraid of is the things that he desires.
		In the same way, Joe is what he's really expressing is, I react to things based on how I feel.
		So I assume that others react to things based on how they feel.
		I can't imagine them breaking free of the mold that I exist in because obviously, if I have $100 million, the things I think are important, they're not just feelings that I have or fucking fake prophetic ass dreams that I have.
		That must be where their criticism comes from as well.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I mean, Joe even gets into this kind of thing a little bit later.
		Here, I'll even go to this.
		I'll jump forward a little bit because it's really relevant.
		I'll go to this clip here because he's talking about like how people shape their ideas.
		And I think that this might be how he has.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or it feels like projecting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is the thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like you're allowed to have other ideas, but the whole idea of who you are and what life is is mostly shaped by what you think is going to give you the least resistance from the people that are around you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But that's the liberals I always liked was the fact that they were open and free and believe in speech.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And even though I didn't agree with them on some points, they agree with my overall freedom.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm so high.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know what I just said.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You said something really smart.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm not a bullshitter.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I know that Joe's discounting his own point because he's all high and shit, but the presumption that you mold your identity by that which ideas, these ideas that will cause the least tension with the people around you, that's not how everyone lives.
unidentified		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's not a universal experience.
		A lot of times your personality is formed by conflict.
		It's formed by tension with groups that you don't fit in with.
		Having to find new people that you get along with better because, you know, that's nonsensical.
		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I can't handle this.
		I get it.
		There's ideas and you can look at things from a different way.
		But we also have to exist in a world where some things are and some things are not.
		Everything is not open to interpretation.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It just can't be.
		Otherwise, we get places where it's like, we think there's voter fraud, so there was.
		No, things, at a certain point, something is or is not.
		We can't live in a no, that's just how I interpret things.
		Like, that's just not how we can share a universe.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, it's hard.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I will say that they're modeling it for us here with Alex and Joe.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They're two people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's why it's so shitty.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're two completely different people, and they're getting along.
		They voted for different people.
		Did you know that Rogan didn't vote for Trump?
unidentified		What?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I voted for Joe Jorgensen.
		I voted for the Libertarian because I think we should probably, at least, you know, I'm voting out of California.
		So I'm like, we should support third-party candidates because that's one of the solutions.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'd love to grill him on Jorgensen's positions.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God.
		I would love.
		I want to slap him so bad.
unidentified		I kind of.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How fucking dare you?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I guess it doesn't really matter since it's California.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I would love to see how much he knows about Joe Jordan totally.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's just some fake ass.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, I'm so, look, I don't agree with what Trump does and I don't like the way he does it.
unidentified		But listen, I can't support the Democrats because I'm an iconoclast.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm Joe fucking Rogan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You don't know shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would have voted Democrat if they got Tulsi Gabbard.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fuck off, you fucking screw you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So again, I often feel like we're going to get hit with the DMCA complaint and have like copyright claims put on our episodes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's big in Cyberpunk 2077, people.
		People are saying that you have to turn DMCA music off, otherwise the Twitch will kick you off.
		Oh, no.
		You'll get kicked off, Blake.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But we're fine.
unidentified		Oh, are we?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So again, thanks for watching.
		And back to this exclusive, in-depth Joe Rogan interview, which is free to air.
		All you can re-upload it.
		You can clip it out.
		You can make memes out of it.
		It's all copyright-free.
		The Alex Show Show, everything we do at Infowars.com.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		See, this is the double-edged sword of his desperation for meming.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is a little bit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Is that he has to give blanket permission to people like us to do this?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I guess we're safe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right, buddy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that was from a little commercial that Alex inserted in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		Of course.
		Of course he did.
		Why wouldn't he?
		You got to make money.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't actually even remember what this is about, this next clip.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I doubt they do either.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, now I remember.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So they're talking about Joe's dog and how great this golden retriever is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is Alex going to kill his dog on air?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I was worried about that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The rifle is right there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He knows.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Swinging it around.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, the dog isn't there.
		But they talk about how great Joe's dog is.
		And the dog smiles and loves Joe.
		And Alex gets mad because he starts thinking about how, like, you know, some animal psychologists will say, like, what you think of as happiness in an animal isn't always happiness.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Smile on a dog isn't necessarily happiness in the right place for humans.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex gets kind of mad about this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is a microcosm of his relationship to animals is his relationship to people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand why you don't think me.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You're all nature.
		None of it's nurture.
		Well, but that's, but then they say they are up here, though.
		They have souls.
		They have minds.
		They have decisions.
		Just you don't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's talking about like the elites of psychiatry and what have you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And it's an ultimate, they're in the real class.
		We're in the lower class elitism, what existed before the Germans, and then in modern psychiatry and psychology 200 years ago.
		And so that's what I'm coming at here: it doesn't mean that the things they've created, the little lists they've made, aren't real human traits, but it's really a cult, a gill blocking us from the larger issue because your dog is magic.
		Your dog does have a soul.
		It does have an energy.
		It is smiling.
		You are interfacing.
		Dogs are psychic buffers, way more psychic than we are.
		And so what I'm saying is your dog is the example of what humanity used to go towards instead of somebody like Bill Gates.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we should be less like Bill Gates and more like Rogan's dog.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Jesus.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's meaningful.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's meaningful stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just scream out, I don't want to learn.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How dare they say something different than me?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, like, I'm not threatened by someone telling me that my cat's smiling doesn't mean she's happy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, shit.
		What is it?
		What does it mean?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not threatened by the idea that her purring isn't always like showing love or happiness.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How can I make it better?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And I also don't question the bond that we have.
		Like, I'm not tied up in.
unidentified		Nope.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If a psychiatrist said that the cat doesn't feel everything you think it's feeling all the time, that's because you don't have a soul.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not invested in projecting my feelings onto my pet friend.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I don't understand why people.
		I don't know.
		I don't care.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it's a thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Joe has been pretty shitty so far about the idea that people have valid criticism about Alex.
unidentified		Right, right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And in this next clip, I think this is like, I really resent this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Listen, Alex, you got to think of what it's like to be a 23-year-old kid who is friends with a bunch of other 23-year-old kids that espouse a very rigid ideology.
		And when someone deviates from this ideology, ideology, and says, maybe the guy's not a bad guy.
		Maybe he had like a psychotic moment.
		Maybe he had a bad time.
		Maybe he believed it because he's seen so much bullshit.
		He's seen so many lies.
		And maybe he went crazy because maybe he went crazy because he's on his own.
		And because nobody wants to stand up and say, hey, he's right about a lot of shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he seems like the thing that he's saying is like psychotic is like Sandy Hook stuff.
		But like what Joe is presenting is this idea that like the only people who are really critiquing Alex are 23-year-olds who are socially uncomfortable with the fear that they have of saying, hey, maybe Alex is right about something.
		That's ridiculous.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's very frustrating and angering and almost suggests a sort of distance from what people really live that could only really come about through $100 million.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it's straw man techniques in terms of like, this is why people have a problem with you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because all their 23-year-old friends are in originating Tifa ideology.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy how I'm not even going to mention that maybe people of color or women might have critiques of you.
		It's actually 23-year-old men who are scared of hurting their friends' feelings by saying, fuck you, Alex has points.
		It's all those non-alpha men who aren't carrying a gun right now and smoking cigars and whining about how people don't respect everything that we believe without questioning us, like alphas do.
unidentified		And the real problem is that Alex got left out in the wilderness.
unidentified		Oh, God.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Everyone is alone.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's the real problem.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Even if you're wrong, rather, about some things.
		I meant what you're a human being and your perspective is valuable.
		And one of the reasons why you were wrong about such things is because you were abandoned.
		There were so many people that didn't want to hitch their car up to your train because they were scared they would get caught in the 9-11 conspiracy and the Bohemian Grove conspiracy and the fucking Bilderberg conspiracy.
		There were so many different things that led people down uncomfortable moments and uncomfortable conversations.
		They didn't want to be a part of it.
		So they just left you alone.
		And when people get abandoned by all of the other people around them that may possibly have an inkling that you're correct, you start going fucking crazy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That look on your face was amazing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm so fucking mad.
		I'm so mad at that.
		Okay, okay, fine.
		I get it.
		We've all seen goodwill hunting.
		You know, it's great to give the pep talk speech.
		But, you know, that was fucking Matt Damon as like an underappreciated.
		This is like giving that same pep talk speech to John Wayne Gacy and being like, look, a lot of people just don't understand why you're doing what you're doing, man, but they're just not ready to challenge themselves.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
		Here's what I think.
		It would be like John Wayne Gacy having killed all those people.
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then someone, his friend, being like, look, you know, the problem was that you didn't have friends around you telling you not to dress up like a clown and kill people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, Joseph, you were abandoned man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That was the issue.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You didn't have people around you telling you not to report on Sandy Hook like that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Even though we have, I don't know, a deposition of Paul Joseph Watson saying, I told him not to do this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There was that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there was that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is some bullshit where you're trying to make it not Alex's fault that he's done every bad thing he's done in his career.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Every ridiculous thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And these are the people who bitch about participation trophies that you're doing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're doing this episode.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is the most like, hey, look, just because you failed a million times upwards to the tune of millions of dollars doesn't mean you're not still great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's participation trophies and personal responsibility and ideas.
		Like these people who think that's all they keep repeating over and over and over again.
		And here you have like, Alex, it's not your fault.
		People just left you.
		People just people left you on your own.
		And that's why you had to say that people were crisis actors who were grieving for their dead family members.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm starting to fucking starting to think a lot of people's criticisms of entitled white men are right on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I'm probably just a 23-year-old who's worried about the 23-year-olds around.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It could be that.
		It could be that.
		You're right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So when you are hearing something like Alex saying that he's not using Joe for exposure, how would you hear that?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like a punch to the face.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And here's the deal: I'm not using you in this interview, but you're so big and the system wants to watch what you're doing so I can get messages through when you're on the show.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So one of the things I wanted to say to the left is, I know more about the left than the average person on the left does.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I hear Alex say, I'm not using you, but I know that more people will listen because you're here as him saying, I'm using you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now, I don't understand how you could be friends with Alex for this long without finding out his rhetorical trick of saying, I'm not doing, but, and then doing the thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because literally he does that every time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex's son named his show I'm not bragging as a joke of that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		I'm not doing this.
		I'm not using you.
		I'm doing this means I'm using you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Everything.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the reason that I then explained.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't hang out with him real life, only on the context of this show occasionally.
		Yeah.
		And I picked up on that real fast.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I kept this clip in just because it's like, I think it's kind of indicative of some stretches of this episode where it's like, what I was talking about earlier.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's like, yeah, this is boring.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is just them having a conversation that I don't care about, but it goes on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You ever have Kopi Luat coffee?
		No.
		Oh, my God.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That's not even a real Razorback, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Kopi Luat coffee is coffee that comes from a civet.
		So the civet eats the coffee beans and shits them out.
		And then people collect them and clean them up and then sell them.
		And it makes the best fucking coffee ever.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		When you said if I've tried it, I've heard of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's so good.
		It's really good.
		Like, it's a cat.
		Like, a civet is kind of a cat.
		It's like real close.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		By the way, do you have ragdolls?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a photograph of a civet?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		By the way, do you have ragdoll cats?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
unidentified		Let's look at a civet.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Now, I wasn't trying to stalk you, but because I watch the show a lot.
		Today, I'm going, hey, you've got ragdoll cats.
		Tell Joe you've got them.
		So I didn't know you had riddle.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're sweet cats.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They're smart.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're really relaxed.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Pretty blue eyes.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's your civet.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So that animal shits out coffee beans.
		And then it's super expensive.
		It's called Kopi Luat.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I've heard of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So is it really good?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's really good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I've been on road trips.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I've been on road trips with comics before.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And there was one I will remember forever because the two people in the back just started having such a boring conversation while I was driving.
		I drove so much faster just because their conversation was boring.
		That is the worst.
		I would literally stop being friends with people who had that conversation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was listening to that and I just sort of, whoa, there was a couple points, and that was one of them where I was just sort of like rubbing my temples.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Don't know what's going on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Guys, this is what this is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is on purpose.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is what's going to stop the global.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is what's on purpose.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can edit things.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, Joe has a big message that he wants to get across on this episode, and that is that we need to get rid of tribalism.
		And when he says tribalism, he's talking about the idea of looking at everybody as teams, like Democrats, Republicans.
		We need to get over that and start looking at each other as people who have ideas.
		And look at the ideas that each other have.
		And if I have a better idea than your idea, then my idea will win.
		And you will then have my idea.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All I hear is I would like people to stop criticizing rich white men.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That could be it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We are dealing with the remnants of a savage past where people killed people with stone axe tools.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And now we deal with Chemtrails and vaccines.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Slow down.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		My point is, We're connected with this idea that we have to, absolutely have to be in opposition with each other.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, I agree.
		I don't think grips or bloods.
		That's dumb.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's nonsense.
		That's the weakness.
		The weakness is not like flip-flopping or reconsidering your opinions.
		The real weakness is the really thinking that people that are just marginally different from you in terms of the way they look at things, that those people are your enemy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Man, stop seeing each other as the enemy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But that's what I want to do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We just talk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Do you know who you're talking to?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex spends all of his time talking about how his imaginary enemies are like working for the literal devil.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, this is a fine point that he's making, but it's farcical to be making it while sitting next to Alex Jones.
		Like, hey, you know what you should do after this?
		You should ask him what he thinks about Democrats.
		What does he think of?
		He thinks they're all demons.
		He thinks that they're literally possessed by demons.
unidentified		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, sure, it's a fine thought.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Alex does agree with him.
		He would like that to be the perfect world, and it can only come about in an all-white nation.
		It seems like that's kind of the tribalism that I would like to Christian dominated on those tribalism parts that he kind of focuses on.
		Maybe those tribalism parts are the worst ones to start with.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We have to overcome it, though, as Joe is very repetitively pointing out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think the thing that is most difficult to overcome in our pursuit for the understanding of the reality of the universe is tribal behavior.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I was hoping that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's thinking that there's a team that's in opposition to you and your beliefs, which are righteous and true and good.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But if I don't have tribalism, somebody's going to overtake me.
		So I don't like tribalism as a necessary evil.
		Like, I don't want a government, but I need a strong enough government that has limited government to protect me from tyrannical governments.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I understand.
		I think maybe the solution is an understanding of tribalism and then an agreement to never engage in it.
		And when people do engage in it, you should look at those people as being foolish.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So we need a code of good versus bad.
unidentified		Yeah.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Positive versus sin.
		Not the Christian cosmology of sin.
		What is a sin against humanity?
		I think lying.
		I think being a chicken shit.
		I think being a coward.
		I think not.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So what's evil?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex, I find you guilty of your own sins against humanity.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know what I love?
		To listen to two dumber people have a conversation that was famous for happening 2,500 years ago.
		This is the exact.
		What are we doing?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is the problem with so much online-based discourse and the whole sort of debates that happen among people who are self-taught.
		A lot of the times you don't realize that these ideas that you think are so revolutionary are things you might encounter in your first year in college.
		There is so much past these points that they're getting to where their minds are blown.
		But also, I mean, like, I would take Rogan as a good faith actor.
unidentified		Sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I would say that, okay, now this is interesting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Now, how would you achieve that?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There we go, Joe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You are on the right track, buddy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, what does it mean for you to say that we should disincentivize people to act tribally?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then if people do begin to act tribally, we should look at them as fools.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What does that mean?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It means that...
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		How is society organized in this?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What we need to do is give people a fine for engaging in behavior with groups larger than a thousand.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wait, wait, so now we have to have a fine for being foolish?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		For being a fool.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is not enforceable in any way.
unidentified		And if you tried, it would get so out of hand.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It would be absolutely used to crack down on vulnerable populations trying to band together.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But they don't think about that because they've never been the vulnerable population getting cracked down on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But they do think that they are.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, of course they do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because they're conservatives who are culturally shadow banned.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know, the reason I used to, here's what I used to think that has just been blown away by this very conversation.
		The reason I thought people who have spent their entire lives studying this type of thing, having a conversation and that becoming popular, the reason I thought the thing that blocked that for me, I thought, was that it would be too dry.
		It would be too boring, you know?
		But this conversation is more boring than anything I can think of.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is tragically boring.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And more people are going to watch that than two people who've spent their entire life studying these questions.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I have, I don't know, it's tough for me to say because I guess I'm not a normal person necessarily.
		And I am, you know, 36.
		I'm on a different period of my life as maybe the target demographic of Joe Rogan.
unidentified		but like 23 year old meatheads I suppose yeah or potheads who are Who are afraid of, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think a lot of people think of like college lectures and like academic conversation to be really boring.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But this is fucking boring.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is incredibly boring.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And the difference is, if you engage with the academic stuff, you probably learn something.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to learn anything from this other than I think Joe's a little bit disappointed in Alex.
		Yeah.
		Because when Joe's talking about this need to overcome tribalism and Alex is like, I need my tribe to fight back against any other tribe.
		I think there's a sense of Joe being like, you don't get it.
		You don't get the higher level thing that I'm imagining.
		Now, granted, what he's imagining is a fantastical utopia that he has no idea how to attain.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You just can't see my flying pegasus world, and it's disappointing to me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But despite all that disappointment, I mean, the two of them are friends, and we can prove it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And then like two years later, we shot a video during the contested election making fun of the bushes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you and I dressed up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I dressed up like junior.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Junior.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You were senior.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And I was in a wheelchair.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And we went running around the capital.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And we smoked a little weed, allegedly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Every single time these two talk, this story comes up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Which leads me to suspect that maybe there aren't that many memories.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that kind of suggests.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they got high and ran around the Capitol in masks.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think that the basis, like the stories for any friendship that you share should not be, I guess you had to be there stories, you know?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because this story is one where I'm like, maybe if I was there, it would be funny, but this is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean, I've seen it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They videotaped it.
unidentified		Cool.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've watched it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It was still 20 years ago.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you've had experiences like that with friends.
		You can extrapolate how much fun that must be.
		Sure, sure.
		And it was like, you know, 99, 2000, it's just you're free.
		You know, like at such a different time.
		You were just coming out of grunge.
		Maybe a few years.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I just think it's kind of depressing.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've heard this on other podcasts, too.
		Like people who only have one story.
		Yeah.
		And every time this guest is on, that story comes up.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just like, get a new story, guys.
unidentified		Live.
unidentified		Live.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Stop talking and live.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So in this next clip, we get again another thing, another instance of this mentality that Alex has, where he wants to be like Rogan with this, like, yeah, we need to get rid of all this tribalism stuff, but I also need mine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't have $100 million.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And this is Alex expressing that, like, you know, his nationalism is basically a cult.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he needs that cult.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, because he imagines that his enemies are also a cult.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so he needs his cult to fight their cult.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, I'm creating my own enemy in order to destroy myself.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand what you don't understand.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I'm creating my own enemy to justify really fucked up things that I want.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We have to use our own nationalism, which has failed and has problems and is cultic.
		But our cult's better than their cult.
		Humans organize in cult.
		It's our nature.
		I agree.
		We should transcend it.
		You're at that point, Joe.
		I can see up on the mountain.
		I get where you're going.
		I'm just saying when you're in a crisis, though, it's like the lower brain.
		It is the nationalist cult of free market and money and family and God and guns and everything.
		It's going to counter the chi-coms where, man, you work 18 hours a day.
		And if you complain, your ass is dead because the global model is communist China.
		And all I'm saying is they're taking over.
		So what do we do about that?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Good response, Joe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		First of all, whenever you're in a situation where you're coming to me for global advice, we got real problems.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think there's a humility in Joe's response.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, like, come on, why the fuck are you asking me for a solution?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, unfortunately, he does continue and give an idea of.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wow, I mean, he can't not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he should have stopped it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You shouldn't ask me because this is dumb.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But honestly, I do look at it like when you say, what do we do about it?
		If you could wave a magic wand, you'd make them all do mushrooms.
		All of them.
		Just all of them.
		Everybody.
		Anybody in a position of power, anybody locked into an ideology, anybody who believes nonsense, anybody who believes things that they know aren't true.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They'll go clean.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But they'll fight for them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you know people that know that the things they believe aren't true?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How dare you?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They'll get angry at you and fucking.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How dare you?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a weirdness.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		How fucking dare you that if more people took hallucinogens, but then some would go crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Some would go crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Some kids break their legs.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		When you see like an Islamic leader, you can tell they've never taken it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		Wow.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		What?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		No Muslims have ever tripped or something.
		This is, I mean, this is embarrassing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's spectacular.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is like, Joe Rogan's like 50.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or at least in his late 40s.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He did something.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But he's got to do shrooms.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He did something I never thought anyone could do, which is he took the four ways to learn and really condensed it still further down to one way.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fungus.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Mushrooms.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So here's how we solve Israel-Palestine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's got to be like, that's got to be like a joke.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's got to be his brand.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's no way you could really know that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, he's just doing.
		Like, I imagine if your job is to essentially be high all the time, you know, you've got to lean into it.
		You know, Jeff Benson didn't stop doing weed jokes just because he got to 50 plus.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, I've done mushrooms, and it is a fun experience, you know, under the right circumstances.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I also know a lot of shitheads who've done a lot of mushrooms.
		Yes.
		It does.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They are all for universal basic income, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if they are.
		It does not solve anything.
		It's not a miracle cure.
		Like, oh, if you're living in a contradiction, you take mushrooms and streets right now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's how it always works.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Kind of hippy-dippy bullshit is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Every story that I've ever heard about hallucinogenics has been, oh man, it straightened out my political philosophy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what it did.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Made sure all those inconsistencies I had in my head just went away, resolved everything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The thing that I thought most on my trip was just like a progressive tax policy does work as intended.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I expect this in a bong circle with a guy coming out of the mouth of someone wearing like a blown glass necklace on a hemp braid.
		You know, like that's what I expect.
		I don't expect this out of a hundred millionaire who's almost 50.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Jesus.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Have some dignity, sir.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What?
		He didn't get to be 100 millionaire by having dignity or learning things.
		He got to 100 million by being a guy who took shrooms.
		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You got to be wave a magic vote, and everybody in the world does shrooms, especially the people who believe things that aren't true, like the person I'm sitting right next to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why do we always make the people most deserving of a slapped in the face the most famous and rich people available?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And good at martial arts.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So this next clip, Alex reveals that he's probably taken some hallucinogens.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He might have even done acid with Joey Diaz.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Watch out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or he got dosed by Joey Diaz and pissed his pants.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		One way or the other.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		What was the UFC you invited me to in Houston like eight, nine years ago with Joey Diaz?
unidentified		Didn't you guys allegedly do acid allegedly?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's go back.
		No, let's go back.
		Joey Diaz.
unidentified		That's another time.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Joey Diaz hands me a cookie in Houston.
		I see you.
		We ate Mexican people.
unidentified		Yes.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't get out of the chair.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So I'm watching the whole day of my channel.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, hey, get out of chair.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You're up there announcing and I'm pissing my pants.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I've not pissed my pants my life.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Get up.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I swear to God.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did we go to dinner that night?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We did.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I was like crawling around on the ground.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you couldn't imagine.
unidentified		Joe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're like, Alex.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How high did I get?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Pillar of Christianity, destroyer of globalists.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Guy who got dosed by Joey Diaz and pissed his pants at a UFC fight.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		See, now that's where I would like to be.
		I want to see Joey Diaz roast Alex while he's tripping.
		That would be hilarious.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I can't provide that while he's tripping, but there was a time, like way back when Joey Diaz came to InfoWar Studios with Rogan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I did not know that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we can cover that in a future episode.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I like a good Diaz.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I like a good Diaz.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's really tough, though, because he's screaming at Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, that sounds right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's something that I've always thought about.
		Like, yeah, maybe we'll do that for an episode.
		But I remember way back, I tried to prepare it, and it was just like, holy shit, this is incoherent.
		But maybe it'd be funny.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That sounds like Joey.
		Yeah.
		I like it.
unidentified		I pee my pants.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Alex is crazy time.
unidentified		I dosed Alex with way too much DHC and he smells like piss.
unidentified		This fucking guy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This fucking guy wouldn't survive in prison.
		Anyway, in this next clip, Joe, this is another instance where I take him to task.
		I think that this is him revealing what his goals were with having Alex on his podcast.
		And I would say that this is not what he does.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		One of the goals that, and this is real.
		One of the goals that I wanted to achieve is to have people consider that there's people that have wildly different ideas that you do that may be good guys.
		So there's maybe people that have ideas of you, and I wanted them to consider that maybe that's a good guy.
		And if you and Alex were hanging out with me and Eddie Bravo and we were all in a room together, we would be fucking laughing.
		We would be laughing hard.
		We'd be having a lot of fun.
		It would be fun.
		It'd be ridiculous.
		And if you're not in that room, it's easy to judge.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, guess what?
		Guess who's not in that room?
		The millions of people who are watching.
		You're saying like, oh, yeah, I just wanted to show that it's a fun experience to hang out with Alex Jones.
		But meanwhile, the people who are watching aren't going to have that fun experience.
		What they are going to see is me fumble and accidentally validate all of the lies that he's trying to disseminate.
		And hey, man, like, I don't know.
		Was Paul Pot a fun guy to drink with?
		Could you have done a podcast with him?
		Like, I know that's probably an extreme example, but like, yeah, okay.
		Yeah, you can get along with people who are like Goebbels.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Let's hope we never find out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I just don't think he was that kind of guy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Probably not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But you know what he is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's a real Sudoku guy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He wasn't really a hangout.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Joe is basically saying that his goal was to launder Alex to his audience by virtue of seeing how much fun we can have.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Furthermore, hey, how about fuck you?
		How about fuck you?
		You would have fun if you were in a room with me and Alex Jones and Eddie Bravo.
		What if you were a fucking Muslim woman?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not much fun.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not much fun to have the guy across from you who is saying shit like, I want you to die.
		Yeah, a trans person.
		What if you were not a white guy?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Huh?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, Eddie's a person of color.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, look, here's what I would say.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Eddie's Eddie.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Here's what I would say.
		If this was your goal, then you have a responsibility to not allow Alex to talk about anything conspiracy related, anything political on your show.
		If your goal was just to talk about how fun Alex is, you guys have an interview and a talk where you get drunk and talk about college football and high school and like talk about that stuff.
		You do not talk about the globalists.
		You don't talk about his bullshit because then that intersects with where his misinformation is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And you especially don't turn it into a callback that you can always go back to and say, hey, look, we had him on our show and he checked out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So if you think something's wrong, I'll tell you, he checked out when I looked at you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a perfect case of wanting to play both games at the same time.
		It's like, I wanted to show the world that you were fun by getting fucked up with you and tacitly supporting your conspiracies.
		Like, that's not, that's not, you can't pretend that you're fact-checking him and showing that he's fun because you're doing neither.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's almost as though he grew up kind of choosing the path of least resistance, you know, to just kind of get along with everybody around him and just kind of not make anybody too.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That could be how you form your identity, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I will say that Joe is not comfortable with how much Alex wants to talk about how famous he is.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		What is it like to be, you know, the main oracle?
		Because you can say like, you know, Jimmy Carson was this guy.
		Walter Cronkot was that guy.
		You're kind of that fused together.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They were on a first year.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the audience are bigger when every other media has been atomized.
		Van Forrest is a close second or whatever, but it doesn't matter.
		It's not about that.
		You're in the position of being the oracle.
		What is that like?
		An Oracle of Delphi right now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're definitely not helping me with your weird description of what I do because it's not accurate, nor is it respectful.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's ridiculous.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's a little bit more playful when he's saying it's it sounded like he was actually saying that's disrespectful.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Joe's a little, he was being a little bit more playful.
		He was a little tongue-cheeking.
		But he is uncomfortable, and he should be.
		That's fucking weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would not be comfortable with that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Joe interviews people and has informal conversations that go too long.
unidentified		And Alex is like, you're the oracle of Delphi.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're basically Walter Cronkite and Jimmy Carson.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Old Jimmy Carson.
unidentified		Oh, Jimmy Carson.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
		He had some of those great jokes.
		He used to wear a turban.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Joe Rogan actually was on Jimmy Carson.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He got waved over to the love seat.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Made his career.
		Made his career.
		Overnight success.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's how he got in at the store.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Jimmy Carson.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, one of the things that I think was a big point that I made early on in our podcast, and I maybe make it less now because I don't like him nearly as much as I used to.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not to say that I used to like Alex, but I certainly dislike him more.
unidentified		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I actively dislike him a lot more.
		But one thing that I still do believe, but I think is probably less important, is that the role that he used to fill is kind of a good role in society.
		The kind of guy who will freak you out.
		And maybe it's your brother's friend or something who tells you about the CIA or whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure, share.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is a voice that there is a place for in society.
		A conspiracy theorist who doesn't behave the way that Alex does.
		A guy who's not also a complete racist, bigot, monster, anti-Semite, throwing around demon shit all the time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Somebody without malice.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There is a place for that.
		And I think Joe, like, he touches on why Alex has anything.
		And it's because there was a place that he fit in before.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You've taught me a lot of things.
		And this is very important.
		Like, like I said earlier on the show about people using other departments or other law enforcement or whatever to start smashing polite protests and turning them into violent protests.
		Like until you showed me all that stuff about agent provocateurs, I really had no idea that anybody would ever think like that.
		I had this naive perspective that I think a lot of people have that people that are in government and people that are in leadership, they really just want the best for the citizens.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So there is a role that can be filled of like discussing these kinds of topics that often aren't necessarily front and center.
		Sure.
		There's a value to that.
		But unfortunately, the double edge of this clip is it so clearly demonstrates why what Alex is doing nowadays is useless.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, yes, in the 90s, Alex woke you up to the idea of agent provocateurs.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is his niche.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what he should be.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He strayed too far and ended up being a guy who can shift into psychic spaces.
		And his lore is a little too complicated now.
		His skill set is absurd.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		He's a show that went on too long.
		He's ending the way Game of Thrones did.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think he's a victim of his own success.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Whatever the reason he got millions of dollars and ended up in that flashy ass studio, it's the detriment of his career.
		Like he could probably have lived out a pretty successful making a good living, being a conspiracy theory talk show host.
		But he got too big for his britches.
		And now this is embarrassing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, comedians are funnier when they're on the bus.
		I've never dreamt of being like famous.
		I've always just wanted to be a comic who lived his life as a comic.
		Like I want to live comic life.
		I don't want millions.
		I definitely don't want $100 million.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I want enough.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Having too much might end up being, it might make you unable to do whatever it is you need to do.
		Because once you start going down this road and you start worrying about like pill sales and all this, you start to think about like, what are the things that I'm doing that gets the most attention from people?
		And then, you know, it's no longer, hey, here's a boring conversation about the reality of agent provocateurs and what you need to know about the history of this tactic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It now becomes everybody is pretending that they have relatives who have died because it's exciting, because it excites the internet and it gets you traffic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because your incentive is no longer to educate or whatever, if that was his intention at the beginning, I guess it's now a marketing-based thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's, you know, the idea of not trying to be a millionaire and doing every single possible step you can take to get there is radical socialist commie bullshit, Dan, and you're on my list.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, whereas Alex 30 years ago turned Joe on to agent provocateurs, this is what he does now.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm in Arizona three weeks ago.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I got a call from the White House, high level.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		High level.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, you know, a Trump son.
		I'll just say it's not my name probably.
		They go, you need to look into Dominion and Communist China and Switzerland and all this stuff.
		It'll call this guy.
		This guy calls me up from like this big company and tells me all this stuff.
		And so I hire a company to look at it.
		We get all the SEC documents for our InfoWars.
		It's all the news today.
		And I asked him, I said, why are you telling me this?
		And they go, we've chosen you as the conduit.
		I'm almost like, is that to discredit it?
		Because they've said I'm discredited.
		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, they can do that with someone.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that's full of shit.
		He just took that from QAnon Twitter accounts and stuff.
		That was just a conspiracy that he laundered.
		But it's interesting there at the end when he's talking about, like, are they doing this to discredit me?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That moment of self-reflection was very strange.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Why would Trump's son do that?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You forgot that you said that he was your source.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't make any sense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it does make sense if you think that they're trying to discredit him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's just lying and telling these intriguing stories to Joe to keep his attention.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he just keeps lying.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's the percentage of people that vote?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Usually it's about 60% in a national election, about 49% in an off-here election, up down to 40%.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But with the whole metric with Trump, they had an overturn of about 90% Democrat.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How many?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		80% Republican turnout.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How many?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They had 90% Democrat turnout.
unidentified		90%?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		90%.
		Never happened.
		Never happened.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		90%.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Fraud proof.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, they just used all Democrat voters.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But do you know that for a fact?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Look it up.
		Yeah, yeah.
		They had like 87% of Democrats voted.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In the 2020 election, there was a 66.7% voter turnout.
		Alex is just making shit up and saying it confidently, which allows him to lie to Joe's face and not get called on it.
		Because Joe is attached to the messenger and Alex knows that he's exploiting it.
		But the end goal is attention.
		The end goal is attention.
		He lies to Joe in order to disseminate this information.
		And because Joe doesn't have the wherewithal to push back on and be like, oh, fuck yourself.
		There's no way there was a 90% Democrat turnout.
		What the fuck are you talking about?
		Because he doesn't have that, or maybe he doesn't want to cause conflict or whatever.
		Whatever reason, these talking points end up being laundered to Joe's audience.
		If people look up to Joe and they respect him, he's sitting there and he's allowing this point to stand.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Tacit endorsement, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		But again, the goal is attention.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And you can see that very clearly in this clip.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Imagine being like the hot chick back in like 1963.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The come dump.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's look at it in a respectful way, Alex.
		The hot chick.
		Christ back in 62 when there wasn't that many of them.
		You know, there wasn't no Instagram models.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Marilyn, come dump or a.
unidentified		How dare you?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You keep saying that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The meme gold here is LeBron.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		This is like the meme gold is beyond it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Meme gold.
		Okay.
		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the cringiest shit I've ever heard.
		Just he's so tickled by the idea that him saying cum dump is going to be meme gold.
		Oh, they're going to meme this so much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I can't think of it.
		I don't want you to play this on our show.
		It's so disgusting.
		It's disgusting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's two different kinds of disgusting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's the obvious disgusting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then there's the disgusting of like how transparently pathetic is this?
		Like how badly you want someone to make a meme out of you.
		Someone should make a meme of all the times he's desperately begging to have memes made of you.
		Because that's the reality of this.
		It's everything that he's saying that's like kind of gross and offensive is then tagged with, I'm trying to get the memes going.
		It's so sad.
		Also sad, Alex makes a claim about something that Bill Gates said on Japanese TV.
		And because they're doing this and then putting it out later, Alex is able to drop in proof of his claim.
		Which they do about four or five times.
		None of it proves anything.
		But this is the most egregious example.
		This is outrageous.
		And Joe, if you're listening, which I know you're not, I would say, listen to this.
		Listen to the proof that Alex tagged on.
		He had all the time in the world to find the proof that he needed.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Edit it later.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Put it back in.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is what he chose.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is your guy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, Bill Gates said, oh, don't worry.
		The Japanese TV goes, this is going to kill people.
		He goes, it's for the, he goes, it's for other countries.
		Now, you know, the printer goes, oh, what?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if exactly what you said is representative of what was said.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		How many times have I told you?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A lot.
unidentified		But when you go down crazy town, I don't have a map.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He said it territory.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He said it more defended.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He goes, yes.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		On Japanese TV, they go, you know, a vaccine cause damage.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		People don't like it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Jesus, man.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They claim you want to depopulate.
		And he goes, Japan, China, the United States are not the target.
		We have special vaccines for other countries.
		He goes, oh, yes, sir.
		I mean, it was like, he said the deal.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do I see that?
		Can you show me that?
		On this, because I got to pee again.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Think of this.
		I'll find it.
		We'll do it right now.
bill gates ▲ ● ▼		I'd say it's ironic if you take somebody who's doing their best to get the world ready and putting, in my case, billions of dollars into these tools for infectious diseases and really trying to solve broadly infectious diseases, including those that can cause pandemics.
		But that, you know, we're in a crazy situation, so there's going to be crazy rumors.
		I hope, whether it's individuals or countries, then in some ways this shows us how interdependent we are.
		That to stop a global pandemic, we need to find whoever's the best, whatever the best vaccine construct are, the best drugs, and we need to make it without just focusing on one country.
		We need to make it for the entire world, including for countries that don't have the resources to pay for vaccine research or vaccine factories.
		You know, they're actually, in many ways, should be the priority for what we do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the whole clip that Alex plays.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He played that clip to prove that Bill Gates went on Japanese TV and said, Japan, China, U.S., you guys get a different vaccine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I really feel like that proved the opposite of what he was saying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It certainly didn't prove anything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It didn't prove anything.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It kind of proved that Bill didn't say that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It kind of proves that Alex makes shit up, or he has such a flimsy grasp on reality that he hears that clip, and that's what he thinks Bill Gates is saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He has to believe that that's like he's so smart, he's reading in between the lines.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would assume that that's the most generous explanation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's the only thing that makes sense.
unidentified		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because that literally says everyone should get the vaccine, and we should focus on countries who can't make it for themselves.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they should be a priority because it is also a global issue as opposed to one country's problem to solve.
		I don't like I like to say I don't get it.
		I don't understand, but like there are a limited number of explanations.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		One is Alex is intentionally misleading.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The second is he is a consumer of bullshit news sites.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he thinks he's never watched the clip.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He just has read a headline about it from National File or whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he thinks that's what it said.
		Or he watched it and that's what he interpreted it as.
		And it's completely erroneous.
unidentified		Putting it in later is so sad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Confusing?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not confusing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why would you do that?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I think that there are some words that you can say that sound very similar.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And depending on what you think the word is, is what you will hear.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That could be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that Alex would probably assume that he's implanted the idea that that's what Bill Gates was saying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So if you hear that, that's how, if you think Alex knows shit, that's how you'll be saying that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You'll be primed for the correct interpretation of his.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what I assume he thinks.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's almost like a fucking gaslighting three-pointer.
		You know, it's like, I'm going to tell you what you're about to hear.
		Doesn't say what you're about to hear.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, or you just think people will just not really pay attention.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, that's probably true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And you're like, oh, there's he played a clip of Bill Gates.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It must have said Rogan's in the bathroom.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'll skip this part.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Listen, Rogan's fans are the meatheads and the potheads.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, you know, you can trick them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's fair.
		That is fair.
		That is fair.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, once again, Joe takes issue with people who critique his podcast interview with Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's so strange.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And this one is also not a good point.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there were a lot of people that got tricked.
		They got tricked into thinking that the podcast was something other than what it was.
		And they read someone else's description.
		And more people do that than listen.
		Because, well, you know, we did three hours plus, right?
		How many?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How many did we do?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		320 or something like that?
		Something crazy.
		There's no way they listened to someone they don't like for three hours and 20 minutes.
		Like, why would they do that?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, why would we do that?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right, Joe, that's a personal insult.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That one, that is personal.
		That one's personal.
		That is not a broad.
		These liberals are doing it.
		That's you specifically, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Why, you know, what's most tragic about that is I don't have a good answer.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't have a good answer either.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Why would people listen to hours of someone they hate?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That was a good question.
		That's a good question.
		Also, Dean.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You just described my job.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't you dare say 20 hours, like, oh, look at how much work we did.
		Screw you.
		We put more time in talking about you, dudes.
unidentified		Talk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I mean, I do understand that deflection of like, it was really long.
		People couldn't have possibly listened to it if they thought it was shit.
		Sure.
		And like, no, I mean, I'm more primed to listen to something that I think is shit than something that is bad.
		Like, this was way more painful than Joe's episode.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, totally.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And granted, this is four hours, that was three and a half or whatever, but like Alex was hot dogging on Joe's show, which at least makes some kind of an entertainment value.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Joe knows that this is his platform and he has to have some semblance of a shrine.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so like those dynamics played out on Joe's show, which made it a little bit more interesting than this, which is long stretches of nothing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, this is two dudes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Alex being like, you're so famous.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is a two-person.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is like a meme.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is a two-person smoke circle, and that's the worst possibly to be in.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex doesn't have the showmanship chops to carry this as like a show.
		So being on Alex's turf is a problem.
		Joe is not as good as like when he is a guest as he is when he's on his own show because he'll just talk about how he ate or drank some coffee that a civet shit out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Civet shit it out.
		Do you get it?
		Isn't that gross?
		But it's good.
		How can that be?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I just, I feel like this must have been an apology.
		Like, something.
		I feel like this has to be a thing where Rogan said, you can't come on my election special.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'll go on your show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'll show up in your place.
		But I won't be on your actual show.
		We'll just get drunk and record something.
		I feel like it has to be something like that.
		Some kind of olive branch.
		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a real bummer.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There is no point for this to exist other than for them to try and get attention.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's absurd.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Unlike Wild Mountain Time, which exists only for itself.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we have one last clip, and it's Alex really summoning things up well.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then I think Joe nails it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I've been on there 27 years.
		And Joe Rogan, I want to thank you for everything.
		I want to tell you this is the best four hours I ever spent.
		Thank you so much, Mark.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what's outrageous, outrageous about this world.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what's outrageous.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		What is it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This could be your best show.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This was nonsense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is nonsense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's fair.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I like ideas, man.
		I do.
		I like ideas.
		That's why I like listening to things that I don't agree with.
		I like listening to Alex Jones because I like finding.
		First of all, I mean, he says stupid things like Alex with guns and shit.
		Great.
		There are certain things that just wouldn't normally come up in conversations of people I enjoy and they find interesting.
		Sure.
		Podcasts that I would listen to for pleasure.
		Certainly, a lot of those things wouldn't be overlapping with Alex.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's why I listen to stuff like Project Cam a lot.
		I like ideas.
		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Weirdest ideas that you can possibly get.
		Let's fly in the face of danger and see if something might be true.
		What if one thing is true, Dan?
		Just like Joe was saying.
		Just because he's lied a million times doesn't mean you won't find that one grain of gold.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know about that civic coffee.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there we go.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We did it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Outside of that, I don't think there was any ideas that were interesting that were presented on this show.
		I think it was a disaster.
		I think it was stupid.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I just, here's a thought that I have never been able to escape ever since I was like really, really young.
		You got to escape this thought.
		It's helped me so far.
		Whenever I was like 10 years old, I remember hearing all of my friends have this conversation.
		And I remember being in the middle of it talking about it.
		And I remember thinking, there's no possible way that 10-year-olds in 1990 blew are having a new or interesting thought.
		So if I am having a conversation, think for a second, did somebody have this conversation several thousand years ago?
		And then maybe just read.
		Maybe read instead of being like, so here's what I think about the universe.
		And what we should do is we should give everybody, you know, like we got to get rid of tribalism and we got to do shrooms and like, hey, maybe somebody's fucking thought about it before.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, that is a perspective that it's important to have.
		I do agree with you on that.
		I think that exploring ideas conversationally is a fun pastime.
		And I think that that's what a lot of people do in college.
		Sure.
		And I think that it's what people do socially.
		I think that it's a fun thing to do with friends.
unidentified		Totally.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it's always productive.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I certainly know from listening to this that it's not entertaining.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's a good one.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I come away with this.
		I tried to really distill down the points that run through this because there are trends.
		And all I could come up with are left versus right tribalism.
		Sure.
		Nonsense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That seems to be a thing that Joe really wants to talk about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's all about interpretation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's no possible way that somebody could be correct.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You got to overcome tribalism.
		Joe really wants to point that out.
		Alex wants to talk about how famous Joe is and how great it is that he's on Spotify.
		And then Alex just is too overt and too obvious about his wanting to interpret.
		It's just, it's tragic.
		It's like I keep saying it's cringeworthy, but that's the only thing, that's the only way I can describe it.
		It's exposing his vulnerable underbelly of desperation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what's wild to me is ostensibly, these are two professional broadcasters.
		How can you have this boring of a conversation when you've been doing this or some facsimile of this job, this very job that you are doing for 20 or 30 years and you come up with this?
		This is what you've got.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And one of the people is the Jimmy Carson of our times.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Jimmy Carson of our times, man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're wasting it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And the other one's a close second.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You are no Ed McMahon, sir.
unidentified		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So there you go, folks.
		You got it.
		You wanted it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There it is.
		You wanted it?
		You got stuff like everybody should do shrooms.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think I might have also only decided to do this episode because I came up with a title for it long in advance, and that was Fourth Try, Not a Charm.
		Nice.
		Because this stunk.
		But we'll be back on Monday with a discussion of whether or not Alex moved to D.C. and is living in a tenement camp.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Let's hope he is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fingers crossed.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that'll be good news.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We'll be back then.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We do have a website.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You bet it is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We are on Twitter.
		It's at knowledge underscore fight.
		And go to bed, Jordan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dramatic time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We are on Facebook in the Dallas Shy Tuesday.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And if you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out those still doing God's work.
unidentified		Yeah, we'll be back.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But until then, I'm Neo.
		I'm Leo.
		I'm DZX Clerk.
		I'm Daryl Rundis.
		Hey, hey, hey, why don't you try out that rifle?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for holding.
unidentified		Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified		I'm a huge fan.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I love your work.

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