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Nov. 16, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#503: Dan's Cara-Vanity Project Part 2

Today, Dan and Jordan explore the possibly thrilling conclusion to the InfoWars Caravan. In this installment, the convoy comes under repeated attack, Alex shows up in DC, and the radio show seems to completely fall apart at the seams. 

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alex jones
14:36
d
dan friesen
56:28
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jordan holmes
21:33
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fat.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan!
dan friesen
Jordan!
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, is very simple.
Vinegar.
jordan holmes
Vinegar.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Just vinegar.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Moving on.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
End of podcast.
dan friesen
I believe that this segment is called Bright Spots, not Explain Your Bright Spots.
That's fair.
That's fair.
I've been looking for salad dressing replacements.
I'm trying to eat a little bit better, and I accidentally stumbled upon some interesting vinegars, like a strawberry rosé vinegar.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
Fantastic.
jordan holmes
I will agree that is an interesting vinegar.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Had that on a salad, had it on some chicken, and now I've decided that I'm going to explore the wonderful world of vinegar.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why not?
Why not?
dan friesen
I didn't realize that there was such a diverse world of weird vinegar products.
I thought it was just vinegar.
jordan holmes
Can you...
Yeah, that makes sense, though.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Vinegar isn't like ketchup.
It's not just like a thing.
dan friesen
No, but there are also a bunch of different ketchups.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but there's ketchup.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Not really.
jordan holmes
Okay, fair enough.
dan friesen
I have a champagne vinegar in the cabinet that I'm excited to break into.
I've not tried that yet.
And then what did I order?
I ordered one online that's a chamomile tea vinegar.
jordan holmes
I'm never not going to enjoy your willingness to put both feet in the pond before you have any idea how deep it is.
dan friesen
The pond is full of vinegar.
Yeah.
I enjoy it.
We'll see what happens.
But it's the vinegar week.
unidentified
What about you?
jordan holmes
We're going to do 500 vinegars this week.
dan friesen
No, we're not.
And we'll get back to the seltzers here soon enough.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
My Bright Spot, Dan, is unfortunately also food-related, but it is also a gratitude towards our listeners-related.
dan friesen
Oh, that's nice.
jordan holmes
I got that peanut butter for our 500th episode, the Fog, something in Fog.
dan friesen
Fit and Fog, I think?
jordan holmes
Fit and Fog, yeah.
I keep saying Phineas and Fog, but I think that's a Nickelodeon cartoon.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's something else.
That's Phineas and Ferb, I think.
jordan holmes
Yeah, something like that.
And it is excellent.
dan friesen
I bet.
jordan holmes
It is spectacular.
It's spectacular.
dan friesen
It's bextacular.
jordan holmes
There we go.
Nicely done.
No, it's just that, like, oh shit, I forgot what it tastes like when it's made out of real things.
When you eat GIF, you're like, this is borderline all sugar and fake peanuts.
dan friesen
It's pronounced GIF.
jordan holmes
Yeah, nicely done.
dan friesen
That's probably a hacky joke.
jordan holmes
No, it's pronounced Skippy, I think.
That's what I say whenever people say it's GIF.
dan friesen
What about a lot of grocery stores?
They have the things where you can just put the peanuts in.
And grind it up yourself.
Do you ever fuck around with that?
jordan holmes
No.
Why would I want to work?
Why would I want to work?
I go to the grocery store because I don't have a peanut farm.
Not because I want to...
dan friesen
Talk to my boy Jim.
jordan holmes
I don't want to moonlight as a peanut farm worker.
dan friesen
Talk to my buddy Jim.
jordan holmes
Jimmy Carter?
dan friesen
That's him.
You know the guy?
jordan holmes
I've heard of him.
dan friesen
Okay.
Well, that's good.
I'm glad you're enjoying that peanut butter.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much, Bex.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we are having a very exciting time here.
It is time for the thrilling conclusion to Dan's Caravanity Project 2020.
Dan, this is Caravanity Project 2020.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Today we're going to be talking about November 11th, the evening of Wednesday until...
jordan holmes
Whenever.
dan friesen
This weekend's nonsense in D.C. So we'll see what happens as Owen Schreier continues on his great big convoy down along the south and up the eastern seaboard.
Okay, here we go.
Yep.
So we'll get to that here in a minute, but before we do, let's take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
So first, John M., thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, John!
alex jones
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Kara M., thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Kara!
dan friesen
Next, Simeon M. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Simeon!
dan friesen
A lot of last initials are M's.
jordan holmes
All related.
dan friesen
Next, Gunner D. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Gunner!
dan friesen
Next, Chris D. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Chris!
dan friesen
Thanks, Chris!
Next, Kate!
No last name.
No last initials.
jordan holmes
Just any Kate.
dan friesen
Kate.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Kate!
dan friesen
And I voted third party in 2016.
Sorry and never again.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, that stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple folks who donated on an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So, Kit and Laura from Cincinnati, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
Bianca C., thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Evan M., thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare...
Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Kit and Laura out in Cincy.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you, Bianca, and thank you, Evan.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much, all of you.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and thinking, hey, I enjoy the show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefights.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
We would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
We would love it.
Or what you could do is you could dip a knife into a big old jar of generosity.
Just dip a knife in there, pull out some crunchy, just creamy generosity.
Put it all over the bagel of a local charity or bail fund in your area.
dan friesen
And top it with some really weird vinegar.
Yeah, absolutely.
So, Jordan, I have two out-of-context drops from today's show.
So, we'll do one now and one in a little bit.
alex jones
I, because I'm a Christian, cannot kill you just because you're stupid.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
Seems good.
Let's see.
dan friesen
I support this prohibition on killing.
jordan holmes
Now I'm going back through my Bible to see how many people were killed because they were stupid, and it's a lot, but I don't know if it was post-Christ.
dan friesen
And I don't know if it was specifically only because they were stupid.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, when we last left off on our previous episode, Owen Schroyer and his merry band of Shao Kahn impersonators and hippies for Trump were about to roll into Atlanta, Georgia.
That was Wednesday the 11th.
Alex had just wrapped up his show where Steve Pachanek came in to claim that whether or not you believe the 2020 election was a massive sting operation planned in advance to catch Democrats stealing votes, it's a small detail whether you believe that or not.
What is important is that Trump is going to win and then apparently he's going to get a third term because these dudes love America.
One thing that's crucially important to understand as we continue exploring this caravan is that at a certain point it stops being an Infowars caravan and it starts being Infowars within the larger space.
I'm comfortable judging Owen and Infowars for their crowds in places like Tallahassee and Baton Rouge because those are specifically Infowars caravan events, or at least appear to be.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Once they reach Washington, D.C., they are now becoming part of something larger, which is the combined work of a network of loosely affiliated grifters.
The plan for the weekend has been for everyone to show up in D.C. and form the Million Maga March.
jordan holmes
I call it Griftpocalypse.
dan friesen
It's fair.
This effort combines the Infowars caravan with Ali Alexander's Stop the Steal campaign, as well as Brandon Straka's walk-away nonsense and whatever the fuck Mike Cernovich is doing these days.
Beyond that, it's attracted the legions of Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, and members of many right-wing gangs who are less interested in hogging the spotlight.
According to an article from Friday in USA Today, the only group that had a permit for the event is a group called Women for America First.
Quote, Amy Kramer, chair for Women for America First, said her organization is not coordinating with any of the other groups planning simultaneous events.
This is really interesting, because according to a recent article in Mother Jones, Women for America first run one of the main websites for Stop the Steal, www.stolenelection.us.
Donations that people made to Stop the Steal through that website end up going to Women for America first, and the site was used to promote rallies branded as Stop the Steal.
jordan holmes
Great, great.
dan friesen
Anyway, it's a load of bullshit.
jordan holmes
Griftpocalypse it is.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a load of bullshit to pretend these people aren't coordinating.
But that's not even an argument that's really worth having, I think.
The point is that the end result of these rallies will be the combined efforts of a whole cadre of weirdos.
And so even if we get to the end of this and there is a big turnout in D.C., we have to keep our eyes on the ball and remember that had nothing to do with this stupid road trip.
jordan holmes
No, not at all.
Not at all.
It's because fucking...
Evil Steve Bannon Nick-Furied us into the Avengers of Grifters.
dan friesen
More or less.
jordan holmes
That's what happened.
dan friesen
So here's our second out of context drop.
alex jones
We've never lived in more historical times.
This is one of the most historical points in history, except when Jesus Christ was walking on the earth, that was more important.
dan friesen
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Yikes!
unidentified
Let's see if we can name other historical figures.
dan friesen
Can't do it.
jordan holmes
None?
It's just Jesus?
dan friesen
Jesus.
Jesus now.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
He's even saying that like 1776 wasn't a big deal.
jordan holmes
All right, but what about Genghis Khan when he died an entire empire fell apart?
dan friesen
Small potatoes.
jordan holmes
Okay, fair enough.
dan friesen
Small potatoes.
unidentified
Do you see that march in D.C.?
dan friesen
Fuck!
jordan holmes
It looked exactly like hundreds of thousands of Mongols riding horseback with their amazing bows.
dan friesen
That shit was nothing!
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, fair enough.
dan friesen
So, the 11th, November.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
Owen Troyer arrives in Atlanta.
unidentified
Owen Troyer here from Infowars.com.
We have just landed in Atlanta, Georgia.
And we are on our way right now to the Capitol building where we have patriots, Trump supporters, info warriors gathered as part of the Stop the Steal caravan.
dan friesen
There was no reason for me to pull this clip.
Nothing happens in it.
I only decided to start with this because the opening of the video in Atlanta is surreal.
You have Owen Schreier poking his little head out of the sunroof of the InfoWars tank with a handheld mic talking about how they're heading to the Capitol while driving down an empty street.
There's no reason for them to choose this presentation.
All it does is make the audio terrible, since even if Owen has a windscreen on his mic, he's still using a regular microphone while hanging out of a moving vehicle.
It's just very bizarre.
jordan holmes
No, it was really easy to understand what he was saying the whole time.
dan friesen
It was infuriating.
jordan holmes
No, it was great.
dan friesen
This video's real bad.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Pop out of there to empty this.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what you want.
dan friesen
Empty road.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
It's the Stop the Steel Caravan, and right now, it is very successful.
dan friesen
It looks like we may stop the steel, but we gotta take this thing right to Washington, D.C. There's one thing that's suspicious in its absence from this shot of Owen hanging out the top of the tank, and that's any indication that there are any cars behind him.
You would think that if the caravan is as successful as Owen is claiming, then they'd pan around to show the giant convoy, but nope.
Just Owen talking to no one, driving down an empty street.
jordan holmes
That's a great metaphor.
dan friesen
You know that I'm Mr. Caravan fan.
Mr. Caravan, if you will.
But I found it incredibly challenging to jump back into this stuff.
Entirely because how poorly produced this InfoWars video is.
Owen doesn't arrive at the Atlanta rally until eight minutes into the video, and the entire time up to that point is just him with his head out the sunroof repeatedly saying, Atlanta, we're in you.
jordan holmes
It sounds more like that, like...
After the end of a week at camp, they always have the slideshow.
There's always a clip of somebody being like, and that's why we love camp!
And when there's swelling music around it, everybody's like, yeah, that's great!
But if it was just him silent to emptiness, you'd be like, this is a bad camp.
dan friesen
Well, if I went to that camp, I'd probably be into a well-made version of memories from camp.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I still wouldn't be into it if it was poorly made.
And that's how I feel about this.
Like, even if I were into Infowars and I thought Owen was cool, I'd still be like, guys gotta do better than this.
This is eight minutes of Owen saying nothing hanging out the roof of a tank.
This sucks.
jordan holmes
It's like the worst version of Mission Impossible.
dan friesen
I don't understand.
They didn't need to keep it for time or anything.
There's no reason for this to be in there.
It's so distractingly bad.
jordan holmes
It's just hubris.
I think it's just hubris.
They just think any idea is the best idea at the time.
Their attention span is nothing.
dan friesen
Well, I would argue that it's more likely that they think that there's something badass about him driving around out the sunroof.
I would argue it does not look that badass.
It kind of looks just like...
I mean, it looks fun-ish.
Wind in your hair.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I saw it on Mythbusters one time.
It was great.
dan friesen
Sure.
I don't know.
It made this a chore.
So on his way, I mean, whether or not he's badass or not, leaning out the roof of this here tank, he does end up at a stoplight.
And there's a guy at the stoplight.
jordan holmes
There's something so fucked up and immediately deflating.
About a tank at a stoplight.
dan friesen
It's pretty sad.
jordan holmes
How dare you be stopped by light?
You're a fucking tank.
dan friesen
Leading a convoy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's weak shit.
No, get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
Well, he obeys traffic laws, and he tries to do a little crowd work with the guy who's standing waiting to cross the street.
unidentified
And so that's our plan, and that's why we're in Atlanta here today.
How are you doing, sir?
Me too.
Me too.
Atlanta!
Atlanta, we are here.
Stop the steel caravan has arrived.
dan friesen
Hey, how far out are we?
They are out of gas.
There is no enthusiasm left in this fucking thing at all.
I am trying really hard to stay excited about this, and they're not doing it.
jordan holmes
They're bored.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
They realized a couple of days in it was a terrible idea.
Yes.
They're not having fun.
dan friesen
We went to Baton Rouge.
We drove seven fucking hours, and there were ten people there.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
unidentified
There's nobody there.
There's nobody there.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
See, this is when you want to be on the RV.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
This is when you want to be getting the conversations and bird's eye view just right there.
Beautiful.
dan friesen
So Owen thinks he's funny, and so he has a bit that he wants to do.
I guess this is exactly how comedians do it.
You polish things up at open mics before you try it on a real crowd.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that makes sense.
dan friesen
And for Owen, the open mic is sticking his head out the top of a car while no one's listening.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's fair.
unidentified
I think the Democrats are actually still voting, guys.
Are the Democrats still voting in Georgia, or have they stopped yet?
Do we know?
I think they're still voting because Biden's not ahead yet.
dan friesen
So there's no one there.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
He's just talking to nobody.
Now, hold on, hold on.
jordan holmes
Now I want more Shao Kahn jokes.
dan friesen
Well, maybe your mood will change once you hear the crowd within the background.
Try this on an actual audience.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
unidentified
I think the Democrats are still voting, guys.
I think the Democrats are still voting in Georgia.
They haven't stopped voting yet.
Because Joe Biden hasn't been put in the lead.
So they're going to keep voting here in Georgia until Joe Biden gets the lead.
But I don't think it's going to work.
dan friesen
Good stuff.
jordan holmes
But I don't think it's gonna work.
dan friesen
Good tag.
jordan holmes
Alright, good work, guys.
dan friesen
So, you know, that sound wasn't that great, but I can't throw too much shade at the turnout at the Atlanta rally.
It's still south of 200 people, but that's really good for an Infowars event that's taking place during the day.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not bad.
dan friesen
So far, their daytime rallies have been very, very sad, and this at least looks like what you might call a group of people.
There were some strange signs in the crowd.
One was just a big cue with the where we go one, we go all slogan.
Another was, quote, Trump's coup d 'etat is already underway, which kind of implies that Trump is leading an overthrow of the government.
jordan holmes
I really don't think they get how that sounds.
dan friesen
That seems to either be a counter-protester or the opposite of what the messaging is supposed to be.
I don't know what's going on.
Overall, I would give this Atlanta rally a solid meh.
Decent turnout when we grade on a curve, but full of suspect weirdos and nothing really interesting at all.
It kind of feels like this was an event that might have been planned already and Owen just crashed it, since there's definitely some people there who seem to be confused by his arrival.
The video on Infowars is titled, quote, Democrats send operatives to start violence at rally in Atlanta, which I don't see in the video itself.
And even if there were violence in the video, their claim that they were operatives sent in by anyone is completely manufactured and not substantiated in any way.
I think the title is in reference to a young woman who drives by and yells that Trump isn't president anymore, which is the closest I could see.
Just scary stuff.
Yeah.
unidentified
At a certain point, another guy with a bullhorn threatens Owen's dominance with a we don't want pedo Joe change.
dan friesen
Oh, that's good.
jordan holmes
I would hate to see infighting at these.
I imagine they're democratic operatives.
That's gotta be somebody in the movie who's like...
They're green.
It's their first operation in the field.
They've been on the desk for a few years.
Somebody else got injured, so now it's their chance to shine.
And they're like, we're sending you to a rally with 200 people to cause problems.
Uh, oh no.
dan friesen
We're gonna go send you to agent provocateur or something that needs no agent provocateurs to get out of control.
jordan holmes
Can I try and solve terrorism or something?
dan friesen
Next time.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
So the video from just another channel also doesn't really show any violence.
There's a little bit of yelling between a few people at one point, but it's unclear what the context is.
And then there's a long segment where the video maker and his friend Tom, who's now our friend Tom, complain about how someone is flipping them off from a nearby window.
It's pretty sad.
jordan holmes
What is wrong with these people?
dan friesen
It's very bummer.
jordan holmes
Oh, I love triggering the lips.
unidentified
He's giving me the finger.
dan friesen
And they're just like making heart shapes with their hands.
jordan holmes
Sure, yeah.
dan friesen
And the guy's like, fuck.
unidentified
Fuck you.
dan friesen
So the Atlanta rally was at 3 p.m.
And unlike past stops, this one included what appeared to be a little bit of an actual march.
I have no idea where they were going or why they were parading, but it seemed like a new development compared to previous cities.
jordan holmes
I don't think they did either, Dan.
dan friesen
From there, Owen was off because he had to arrive in Columbia, South Carolina for an 8 p.m. rally.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
InfoWars only posted a one-minute video about South Carolina.
It seems weird.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Because from the Just Another Channel footage, it seems like that would be the most useful for them optically.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It was nighttime, the turnout was pretty good, and there were some college students yelling at them, creating the sort of tension and victimhood they desire in their optics.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
Operatives go to college, spend $40,000 to $60,000, and then they're undercover enough to shout obscenities, yeah.
dan friesen
In the video on InfoWars, we get a shot of the caravan itself.
It's really hard to tell how many of these cars are actually along with them, or if it's just traffic.
Assuming that all these cars are part of the convoy, it's like maybe 10 to 15 cars.
Which is nothing to sneeze at if you're an indie band or something, but it's really sad for day three when you're Infowars.
Yeah, that's not good.
jordan holmes
That's not a convoy.
dan friesen
Turnout was alright in Columbia, South Carolina, but again, it's easy to overestimate because it was nighttime.
They ended up taking a big group picture in front of the Capitol building, and I think...
It's about 150 people, probably.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
That's nice.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Good for them.
dan friesen
In the evening of the 11th, things took a turn for the ugly as the Infowars caravan came under attack.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
According to a video posted on Parler, trucks were throwing milkshakes at the convoy.
And here is the report.
unidentified
Well, here we are on the Infowars caravan still.
I think we're like...
20 cars strong, 30 cars strong right now.
I'm in line with everybody.
I'm like five cars back behind the M4's riot wagon.
Or armored vehicle, whatever you'd like to call it.
I actually just had a trucker throw something at me and it exploded all over my truck.
Some sort of nasty milkshake or something.
jordan holmes
A nasty milkshake.
unidentified
There was a young girl driving in a Pontiac and she cut the trucker off and he started flashing her and threw something at her and it hit me.
So I'm getting attacked because other people in the caravan aren't driving well.
But, yeah.
I don't know.
I've got a million miles at least traveling back and forth across this country and I've never had a trucker throw a milkshake at me.
So that's definitely a new one.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's nice.
unidentified
This is rather interesting, but anyway, we're on our way to D.C. And I'm going to have to get a car wash at some point to wash all that shit off my car.
You can actually see several of our guys up here ahead of us.
jordan holmes
You don't get to use car washes.
unidentified
Driving this caravan stuff is pretty crazy because people are slowing and then speeding up and slowing and then speeding up.
People are trying to cut us off and doing all kinds of crazy stuff.
No shit!
It's wild driving in caravan, guys.
Hope you're all staying safer to me.
Not getting any dramas.
dan friesen
People were pretty quick to point out that the reason for all the things this guy is describing is because they were basically clogging the interstate.
They had 20 cars in a row in the passing lane, which is at best dumb and selfish, and at worst pretty dangerous.
jordan holmes
They had it in the passing lane?
dan friesen
They were on the left side of the road.
jordan holmes
As a Chicagoan, that upsets me more than what they stand for.
dan friesen
When you do a convoy like this, there's no reason that the cars all need to actually travel down the highway in a line.
But that's what they see.
Oh, God.
Luckily...
Everyone survived.
jordan holmes
You don't get to use a car wash.
You're a rugged individualist.
You have to find a fucking hose.
You don't get to use all of these creature comforts if you're trying to sell yourself as the fucking revolutionary that you are.
dan friesen
I would like to...
jordan holmes
Che Guevara didn't fucking wash his shit in a fucking washing machine.
dan friesen
I'd like to shift your criticism.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't care whether they use car washes or not.
jordan holmes
Fine, I get that.
dan friesen
I would like to say...
You don't get to complain about someone throwing a milkshake at your car.
jordan holmes
I agree with.
unidentified
Grow up.
jordan holmes
I thoroughly agree with.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So yeah, everyone survived, and now we jump in on the 12th on Alex Jones' show.
Because again, who knows?
David Knight might have had full coverage of the caravan, and it'll be a mystery lost to time.
Much like who built the pyramids.
Was it the aliens or was it Egyptians?
unidentified
It was not the aliens.
dan friesen
We'll never know.
What if David Knight covered it?
Back then.
jordan holmes
Non-white people can also build things.
Turns out.
dan friesen
But what if the equivalent of David Knight covered, like, ancient mysteries?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And we'll just never know because it was so boring.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's possible.
That's possible.
If you wanted to hide true information, you give it to David Knight and no one will ever know.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And if you want to have really fun, interesting, fake information, give it to him and it'll bore the shit out of me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Which is normally what happens.
So anyway, here is Alex attempting to make some analogies.
And I apologize.
I apologize in advance for the audio quality on this show.
alex jones
They were saying, Alex, why are they having people that have moved out of California vote for Biden when Biden was already going to win the state?
Well, once you're already flipping everybody's votes and already stealing, you keep stealing to stay in power.
jordan holmes
Why?
alex jones
That's why nobody can win as a Republican.
jordan holmes
They already got it.
alex jones
In California, unless you have like an 80% victory because of the fraud.
That's why there was 87% turnout.
We never had anything near that in the U.S., usually 55%, 60%.
Because people went out to vote against...
jordan holmes
Donald Trump.
alex jones
Biden, and they just got cheated by the computer.
So that's coming up.
But again, people are like, well, why would they cheat in California?
They've already got it.
Because they already cheated.
It's like saying...
jordan holmes
You're a genius.
alex jones
You know, if you've remarried and your new wife's pregnant, and you're like, well, why do you have an 18-year-old son?
Well, I got another woman pregnant before.
There's no third-dimensional thought here.
Why are they stealing states they already got?
Because they already got them.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
I mean, let me use another example.
jordan holmes
Yes, please.
alex jones
Let's say I'm slaughtering cows.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
alex jones
And I'm about to slaughter a new one for, you know, to put it in my deep freeze.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
And people ask, well, why do you keep the other deep freeze going that's got, you know, some of the last cow left in it?
That's a good question.
It doesn't even register.
See, once we start thinking third dimensionally, we can defeat the globalists because they're operating third dimensional.
We can operate fourth, fifth dimension.
jordan holmes
Are they?
alex jones
Many plays out.
And that's what we do here at Infowars.
I don't know if Trump plays 3D Chester, 5D Chester, but I know I do.
dan friesen
So, I listen to Alex a bunch, so I can help you out here, because that was a garbled mess.
jordan holmes
Sure, yeah, yeah, that was great.
I got the point really well.
dan friesen
Did you?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, let's see if you did.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The point he's trying to make is that Trump basically won almost every state, but there was fraud all over the place.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
There was even massive voter fraud in California, which people he talks to can't understand.
They don't understand why the globalists would steal votes in California when California consistently votes Democrat.
Alex's explanation is that California doesn't actually consistently vote Democrat, and the appearance that they do is only there because of the voting fraud that's already and always going on there.
They were stealing votes in California because they're only in power in California due to all the votes they always steal.
This is not that complicated of a concept that he's trying to describe, and yet Alex struggles to come up with two really bad analogies.
No, they're having kids because they've already always been having kids, Dave.
We'll get to that.
The previous fraud facilitates the current fraud in the California example.
True.
unidentified
The way to make this analogy actually work would be to imagine a scenario where the new wife allows Alex to impregnate her because she's so impressed that he has an AT.
dan friesen
That would make sense.
That's fair.
So, it's possible that another way to make this analogy work is for Alex's response to this person to be that his new wife is pregnant because he only gets romantically involved with women.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would make sense.
dan friesen
Then the analogy would work.
jordan holmes
That would make sense.
dan friesen
The second analogy Alex is trying is that he's slaughtering a cow while keeping what's left of his previous cow in the deep freeze.
This also doesn't make sense based on what he's trying to say.
This would be a good analogy if you were trying to argue that Democrats kept deep frozen votes from the last election to use in this one because they won by such a wide margin last time so they had leftovers or something.
jordan holmes
Are they reusable like that?
dan friesen
I mean, in terms of keeping cows in the deep freezer, that's how that might work.
jordan holmes
I would put the votes in a plastic bag.
Sure.
So they don't get wet.
dan friesen
Smart.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Neither of these analogies help clarify his point, but Alex insists this is somehow third-dimensional thinking, whatever the fuck that means.
Really, the only thing that these two analogies have in common is a sense of time that whoever Alex is talking to seems unaware of.
The child from a previous marriage analogy involves a person who doesn't realize you could have had a child with someone else in the past.
The cow butchering example involves a person who doesn't realize that the cow in the freezer will eventually be eaten in the future.
The only thing I come away from this convinced of is that Alex is really bad at analogies, and the people he talks to on a regular basis must have a difficulty with really elementary concepts, maybe even object-personality.
jordan holmes
Have we tested Alex on object permanence?
dan friesen
Have we tried to play peekaboo?
jordan holmes
I would be interested to know exactly what extent his object permanence lasts to.
I assume it's more than peekaboo.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
But is it like six months?
dan friesen
If anybody who's involved with the Sandy Hook trial is listening.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
On the stand, test his object permanence.
jordan holmes
Here's what you do.
On the first day, hold up a sign, and then see if he remembers that there was a sign in the room.
That would be fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex discusses the cycle of history.
There's some interesting theories about this, but it's pretty simple, based on his assessment.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
What happens throughout history?
jordan holmes
Good question.
Stuff.
alex jones
Governments get power.
Whether it be in ancient China or ancient Middle East or ancient Mesoamerica or ancient Europe.
And routinely, they have periods where there'll be whole kingdoms, whole civilizations of thriving people.
And just suddenly, there's no one left.
And the archaeologists go there.
There's archaeological digs in Germany, archaeological digs in Mexico, everywhere.
Archaeological digs in Africa.
And they'll build a civilization.
And then within 100 years, everybody's dead.
And they find them all sacrificed.
The final phase, eaten by the priest class.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
alex jones
Yes, there's a demonic force, ladies and gentlemen, that's trying to depopulate us.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
And they're announcing it publicly.
I'm going to break it down on the other side.
This is the most important broadcast again.
dan friesen
This is the cycle of history.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
Wow.
I wish there was some way that every archaeological dig throughout history found some sort of recording or...
Tablet or something, and it's all just the same Alex Jones ideas.
Like, every civilization has been ultimately destroyed by somebody like Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Someone who thinks that all history is a cycle of decadence leading to the priests eating everyone.
jordan holmes
There's had to be somebody in ancient Rome just running around screaming, like, the priest class is eating people!
unidentified
They're eating people!
dan friesen
Almost certainly.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I would say that maybe in crueler times they had less of an influence.
jordan holmes
Sure, possible.
dan friesen
Because they couldn't ever...
jordan holmes
There's so much cruelty.
dan friesen
Because they could never get to a point where they would have a radio show.
jordan holmes
Sure, that's fair.
dan friesen
You know, people would just like...
jordan holmes
Kill them.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I'm not saying that's the ideal solution.
jordan holmes
No, I don't think so.
dan friesen
I do guarantee that this sort of mentality has probably existed throughout all cultures.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would probably argue that most governments...
dan friesen
I mean, it's just paranoia, right?
On a basic level, it's all just sort of imaginative, creative paranoia.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I suppose you could probably make a very good argument that every civilization ultimately collapses when the perceived corruption of the government...
Equals the actual corruption of the government.
Do you know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
I hear what you're saying.
I don't know how I could test that in the moment.
I don't know how I could test your theory.
jordan holmes
Let me give you an analogy.
So I've just slaughtered a cow.
Alright, move on.
dan friesen
Next one.
I understand what you're saying.
I think it's an interesting thought, but I don't know if I fully agree with you.
I don't know if it's accurate, but it's an interesting thought.
Well, it's well said.
jordan holmes
It sounds really great.
dan friesen
It sounds almost like an aphorism.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it really does.
dan friesen
Society collapses when the perceived corruption matches the actual corruption.
unidentified
It sounds like somebody smart would say.
jordan holmes
Never mind.
I take back my comment because now it's pillow worthy.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So it's probably not true.
jordan holmes
No, definitely not true.
It's probably economics.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I worry about it being bullshit because it sounds good.
unidentified
It sounds so good.
dan friesen
Speaking of things that are bullshit.
jordan holmes
Shao Kahn jokes?
alex jones
Caravan.
At some points, more than 400 cars, some join, some leave, is on its way right now and is in North Carolina.
dan friesen
There's absolutely zero chance that there have been 400 cars in the caravan at any point, and I would be comfortable betting that there wasn't even a total of 400 cars throughout the entire thing.
I would go so far as to bet that the combined turnout for the events that have happened up to this point on November 12th are barely more than 400 total people.
jordan holmes
I would agree.
dan friesen
This is insane levels of hubris.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there aren't...
There aren't enough people in the cars themselves.
It's not like there's four people to a car where if you guys could all afford your own individual cars, there would be 200 cars.
dan friesen
Yeah.
No.
jordan holmes
There's five guys.
dan friesen
I'm offended that there probably are 10 cars.
That, to me, is shocking and scary.
jordan holmes
What are you guys doing?
What are you guys doing?
dan friesen
Three of the cars are probably Infowars employees.
Another one is the guy from Just Another Channel.
Another car is the hippies for Trump.
So, like...
jordan holmes
They're not busy.
dan friesen
No.
This is their dream.
jordan holmes
This is their dream.
We want to live the hippie lifestyle while also supporting a political mandate that is trying to actively kill us.
dan friesen
My grandpa followed the Grateful Dead around.
I'm following Owen Schroyer.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Oh, that's real bad.
dan friesen
You know where the best place to get drugs is?
unidentified
The parking lot of an Owen Schroyer show.
jordan holmes
Who's my real dad, Mom?
Well, back in the 2020s.
Owen Schroyer came through South Carolina, and we spent one magical night together on the InfoWars caravan, and here you are.
dan friesen
Like 70-year-old people with InfoWars caravan tattoos.
Where were you, man?
jordan holmes
Oh, man, you should have seen it.
There were upwards of 50 people.
unidentified
If you can remember the InfoWars caravan, that means you weren't there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You sad bastards.
dan friesen
Oh, God, it's a bummer.
It's just a bummer.
jordan holmes
That's such a bummer.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Let's get back to Alex.
jordan holmes
What did you do?
I followed Pat Robertson around for a summer.
alex jones
What?
dan friesen
I do love the idea.
unidentified
All right, we can't live in 18 different versions of that exact same joke.
dan friesen
No.
We jump back to Alex, and I will say that there is one thing that Alex is pretty consistent on.
It's something he's very wrong about, and that is that he does not exaggerate things.
He talks about that a little bit here.
alex jones
I've thought about doing this broadcast for 26-plus years.
You always think about what could be your last broadcast.
I'm not saying this is my last broadcast.
But I need to just let you know, I need to explain something to you.
That I don't exaggerate any of this, okay?
Most of the time, it's worse than I'm telling you.
And this could be our last broadcast.
Next week could be.
But the zone we're in right now, the internet kill switch they've got, they can hit telecommunications as well.
And we're in the prime zone for them to assassinate Trump, set a nuke off, anything.
dan friesen
Good thing you don't exaggerate.
jordan holmes
Never, ever feel safe.
I don't exaggerate things, but if you spend one single moment in safety, you're an idiot!
dan friesen
Does this mean that this is the actual last broadcast that he's been teasing doing to play after he's done?
Because that would imply that he's already quit it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
I don't know what's going on.
He's talking about this sort of like it could be his last broadcast.
It's not.
He's on tomorrow.
jordan holmes
No, obviously.
dan friesen
It's on the next day.
I want him to do that fucking mythical last broadcast already.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it has to.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How can you say I don't exaggerate things and then say this could be our last broadcast knowing full well that you've got at least several more months in the...
You know?
Because you're an asshole?
Your very exhortation for money is in and of itself an exaggeration, you dick.
dan friesen
Yeah, because you're an ass.
Yeah.
This sort of thing, this extremeness, is really escalating here in this stretch of time.
I guess maybe Alex is disappointed in the caravan, because he's talking about a nuke's going to go off, Trump could get assassinated.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
They're going to turn off the internet.
Why not?
Basically, in this next clip, just says, head to the hills, guys.
It's over.
alex jones
I have been under such stress, knowing we have a chance to stop this and save billions of people, and the stress has been on me that Howard Stern made jokes about it, and it's a funny viral video about how I had three molars collapse the last two months.
I mean, all my teeth are literally crushing and falling out of my face.
jordan holmes
Maybe it's those fucking pills!
alex jones
And I'm not feeling sorry for myself.
My spirit is absolutely lashing out at this and fighting, and God really last night sent the Holy Spirit to me to comfort me and to say, listen, this is the way it's going to be.
And it's your job to just get people ready.
And you've done your job, now you just need to get them ready.
So I'm just going to tell you, it's all over, folks.
The best thing you can do is get to the countryside somewhere and try to dig in, because it's all just going to get worse.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
The only thing that differentiates Alex from someone like Jim Jones is that Jim Jones was specific.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Also, not for nothing, like...
You even responded to this.
Being passionate doesn't result in grinding your teeth to the point they fall out of your head.
However, that's one of the most common symptoms of stimulant abuse.
Between that, pretty much everything about how Alex acts and the fact that Joe Rogan tried to get Alex to talk about his problem with Adderall on their last episode kind of makes the picture come into focus.
Alex might as well be like a high-functioning cokehead.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is...
They get all...
Makes a bit more sense when you imagine that, oh yeah, he's on stimulants.
jordan holmes
Yep.
That's a disappointingly simple answer.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But...
Probably the correct one, yeah.
dan friesen
Well, I don't think it makes...
I don't think it explains everything.
No, no, no.
There's still a whole bunch of ideas that are bad.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And it certainly doesn't let him off the hook for his behavior.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
But it does make it, like...
A lot of things that don't make sense do make sense when you consider, like, oh, he's just on drugs.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's about right.
dan friesen
So, billions are gonna die, and you gotta head to the hills.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex needs you to know...
Billions are going to die.
jordan holmes
He doesn't exaggerate, though.
dan friesen
Billions are going to die.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
alex jones
They're going to release mass bioweapons and kill billions of people.
And I don't just say that.
You will watch billions die with blood pouring out of their eyes, their ears, their mouths, okay?
unidentified
Cool.
alex jones
I mean, you're going to watch absolute mass extermination.
We didn't stand up for the children.
We didn't stand up for God.
And we rejected Christ, and Satan now is coming into the earth.
And I'm not trying to be negative.
Everybody wants to hear all this positive lies.
All you can do is get right with Christ.
I can just tell you that right now.
We can hold him back.
Trump may still prevail.
But we've seen the model of the devil's attack.
It's exactly what Revelation says, but now we're in it.
We are now entering Satan's first big lash with his plan.
And he'll keep going and going and going until he makes war on the saints and overcomes them.
dan friesen
It's going to be really difficult to go back to normal.
After that.
jordan holmes
No, we're living in the biblical end times.
dan friesen
There isn't a really easy way to walk back.
We're in Revelation.
Because Revelation doesn't include false starts.
jordan holmes
Guys, I got some good news for you.
They closed the third seal.
They closed the third seal back up, guys!
We've only got to deal with seals one and two.
Let's get to work.
Unfortunately, there's going to need to be a lockdown to deal with all these goddamn plagues.
dan friesen
We have a special on seal sealant.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's troubling.
It's troubling because, like, it feels like the only move after this is go away or become a doomsday, like, full-on religious preacher.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, they did all that stuff when Obama was elected, too, though.
It was the biblical end times.
dan friesen
Not Alex.
jordan holmes
No, that's true.
That's true.
But I heard about the biblical end times an awful lot.
dan friesen
Sure, but probably from biblical end times preachers.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
They can be wrong a bunch of times.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
But they can't transition to something less extreme.
You know, like, they can say, we were wrong, or whatever, and like, hey.
jordan holmes
I mean, they could become a hot dog vendor.
dan friesen
These are the blood moons.
This is the real, you know, like, you can do that.
jordan holmes
That would be funny.
dan friesen
Like, look, last time we thought we knew it was up, but this time, blood moon.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You can do that.
But you can't be like, Ah, the world is gonna end.
I know it's coming.
And then be wrong, and then be like, well, what you really need to do is focus on your alderman race.
Or whatever.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
It's really tough to desensationalize from the point of end times.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, that's, again, the idea of, like, alright, we lost this one.
Devil's gonna win, but we gotta focus on the midterms in order to defeat the devil again, I guess.
dan friesen
And the other problem, too, is if you are an end times type, end times always got to be coming.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
End times cannot be here.
jordan holmes
No, it's really bad when it's here.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that fucks you up.
dan friesen
The money is in end times being coming down the road somewhere.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
It really screws things up when it's here.
And I think Alex is going to, I don't know, I see this as a bad decision on his part.
So Alex gets to talking about galactic laws, contract law for aliens.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This is really stupid.
jordan holmes
This is fifth dimensional chess, huh?
dan friesen
This is fucking stupid.
alex jones
I don't know all the timelines, but the globalists always tell us what they're going to do in their internal documents that are public, but they don't promote them, but it's a metaphysical rule.
They've got to tell you what they're doing and kind of leave the plans late on the roadside so you have a chance to read the fine print if you can find it.
Kind of a public notice.
That's why you have public notice that they're going to take a piece of property or public notice that they're going to tear something down or public notice that they're going to take a park away from you.
Because they have to give you notice because you have metaphysical, spiritual rights, unalienable rights to challenge.
dan friesen
This is a comically childish and stupid view of morality, and I would just like to take everyone who claims that Alex is smart and he has good points and ask them what they think of that, because that moral system that Alex is presenting is really hard to defend if you want to look at human history.
It's simple enough to say that everyone who deprived people of their inalienable rights went to hell after they died.
jordan holmes
Like Thomas Jefferson.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's kind of a problem.
Alex would have to then either say that slavery doesn't violate inalienable rights or a bunch of his heroes and ancestors are in hell.
But leaving that aside, looking at the actions that are ascribed to the devil in traditional Christian lore, I don't see where he's warning people what he's going to do before he does it.
In the Garden of Eden, it's God who tells them not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge.
If God hadn't done that, then the serpent would presumably have done the exact same thing it did in the story and convinced Adam and Eve to eat the fruit.
The serpent didn't do anything except a manipulative evil act.
The part where there was a warning came from someone else entirely.
So in order for this to make any sense in Alex's moral conception, the morality or immorality of your actions can be determined by other people's actions.
This would imply that it would be very wrong for me to punch you randomly and without warning.
However, if someone were to tell you Dan is going to punch you when you go to his house, then my punch...
See?
In fact, in this conception, it could be argued that me punching you is never immoral in and of itself.
If my punch is morally correct when someone else warns you and morally incorrect when they do not, the actual distinction is the warning itself.
That's where the moral weight lies.
So it becomes a matter of the other person doing something immoral by not warning you.
My punch doesn't matter at all.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So then, what if no one else knows that I'm going to punch you?
Then apparently I have to tell you ahead of time that I plan to punch you, and then if you come over anyway, you've consented to being punched.
This is stupid for a number of reasons.
To what extent do I need to make sure that you're aware that I'm gonna punch you?
jordan holmes
You have to serve people before you punch them.
dan friesen
Is it enough that I mumble it to you as you leave knowing that you'll probably not hear me or forget by the time we end up getting together to record again?
jordan holmes
I think you have to put it in a movie.
dan friesen
Is it enough for me to write, I'm gonna punch Jordan the next time he comes over on a piece of paper that I taped to a lamppost two miles north of my house, knowing that you'll never pass that lamppost?
jordan holmes
That's how Arthur Dent got that bypass.
dan friesen
Would that satisfy the metaphysical condition, even though there's literally no way it could ever impact your behavior?
jordan holmes
Ask the Vogons.
dan friesen
You could say that the warning was there if you wanted to look for it, and it's really your fault that you didn't find that lamppost.
It was right there in the open for everyone to see.
To what extent does the person the thing is being done to need to be aware of the thing that's going to be done to them?
This is a question that Alex cannot answer, because no matter what the answer is, shit doesn't make sense.
If the standard is informed consent, then the globalists need to be doing way more warning than they're doing right now, and honestly would probably need to get literally everyone to sign off on their plans, knowing the implications of what they're agreeing to, so it obviously can't be that.
If the standard is that the person needs to believe the warning, is that possible?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That you need to believe it?
Because even if that's the standard, I still don't think you deserve to be punched for coming over, whether or not you believe the warning.
Like, you might not believe it.
Someone could say Dan's gonna punch you if you come over, and you're like, ah, fuck you.
jordan holmes
Sure.
But you understand that this line of thinking makes perfect sense because of the way that all of these people have to deal with hell?
Like, okay.
If everybody that doesn't accept Jesus Christ into their heart is going to hell, Jesus didn't get his message out for a good long while to the rest of the world.
So all of those people, despite never having heard of Jesus Christ, spend eternity in hell just because God was like, nah, geographical product placement.
So, your argument then has to be, well, there's evidence of God all around you, so you should have known that God was real, and obviously Christ, if there's a God, there's gotta be a Christ.
So it's still your fault.
And that's why hell is justifiable to people who've never heard of Christianity.
dan friesen
That might be...
I think that you're trying to bring too much sense to it, and I'm trying to deconstruct this from an ethical perspective.
jordan holmes
I'm saying that you've deconstructed both fairly well.
dan friesen
Well, see, here's what I think that Alex would say the standard is.
He would say that the standard that you need to achieve is that you need to publicly admit this somewhere.
So even if you do it in code that's only decipherable to a genius like Alex Jones, that's still good enough.
I struggle to see how this qualifies as warning people in an ethically meaningful way, for the same reason that my message taped to a lamppost doesn't seem like it could reasonably be seen as possibly impacting your behavior.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, Dan, we're dealing with Satan and God.
There's obviously a lot of wiggle room in the rules.
Those two guys aren't known for absolutes.
dan friesen
Alex is talking about human behavior, too.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit, well, we're fucked.
dan friesen
In order to make this morality work, it must not be the would-be victims of the crime that are required to be warned about what this person's going to do.
It must be a thing where the act of writing it down and putting it out there is to serve as a notice to God of their intentions, but what kind of sense does that make?
Also, what are the consequences for breaking these supposed galactic laws, and why should the devil be concerned with any punishment?
He's already the fucking devil.
jordan holmes
Disintegration is the punishment he fears most.
dan friesen
Well, then what?
Okay, so he does that, and then he disintegrates.
jordan holmes
Great!
dan friesen
There's no devil anymore!
Hooray!
jordan holmes
Well, but God would have to create another devil, otherwise his prophecy wouldn't come true.
See, again, here's where I'm really struggling with Alex and all this bullshit.
You understand that for your actual religion to not be bullshit, you have to have the end times.
You can't stop them.
You can't delay them.
It's God's moment.
He chooses.
There's no way that Biden is going to affect God's plan.
Otherwise, your entire religion is nonsense.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you can't vote on the devil.
jordan holmes
You can't vote on the...
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm assuming Job would have had a different vote.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This is the moral system of a child, and honestly, it's embarrassing to hear him try to explain his beliefs.
It also kind of makes me sad to hear how small his vision of the divine is.
It's the same kind of bummer I get whenever I hear people on Project Camelot talking about, like, alien contracts and stuff.
It's like, ugh.
jordan holmes
Come on.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Are you saying to me that even if we get beyond the stars, we're never going to get past the point where a signature is going to hold the entire universe together?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's still just going to be a signature.
dan friesen
Yeah, and God is trying to get the devil on technicalities or something.
All right.
jordan holmes
Aha!
We have him on a Rico case!
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, at this point, Alex does something incredibly familiar.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, we are back live, broadcasting worldwide.
Again, we are back live, broadcasting worldwide.
I am your host, Alex Jones.
Very, very thankful to be here with you today.
And I believe I'm connected.
I believe I'm live.
But, okay, we're going to go rebroadcast for a while.
And I will be back because I've got to reset and go into this.
No, I'm cool now.
I've got to reset.
I can't do it.
So, there's just too much going down here.
So, as I was saying, I've got some really important news we're going to be covering here.
I need to get reset.
And I sent you guys a lot of videos.
I sent you guys a lot of things.
And so the first thing that I'm going to want to play is whatever you guys want to.
I'll be back in a little while.
jordan holmes
What?
What just happened there?
alex jones
This is an important announcement.
dan friesen
So I was thinking about this and wondering what the fuck is going on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is in DC now.
He's already arrived in DC, so you lost the bet.
So he's freaking out trying to do this show remotely, and it sounds like shit.
There's a lot of audio crackliness.
It's just terrible.
And honestly, even beyond that, his heart is not in it.
So he freaks out a little bit, and he goes to rebroadcast.
It honestly wasn't surprising to me at all.
It honestly seemed like a prudent decision.
The only real question to me is why is he hosting at all?
jordan holmes
Good question.
dan friesen
Then it dawned on me, there's probably no one else who can host.
jordan holmes
Schroyer's on the caravan.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
David Knight is definitely not a primetime candidate.
dan friesen
Well, I think David Knight, he has his own show.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he had a heart attack like a year ago.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
And his workload, for his own sake, I think it's great that he's not taking on unnecessary burdens.
But I think he would probably not be the person who would...
And he's not going to move product.
jordan holmes
And Millie Weaver is gone forever.
Deanna Lorraine is terrible.
dan friesen
She's too green, probably, for the main show.
Same problem with Harrison Smith.
He can fill in...
No, of course not.
All the fourth hour fill-in hosts are either, like, they wouldn't do it, or how are you going to have three and a half, four hours of Gerald Salenti?
It's too much.
jordan holmes
Are those the funeral bells?
Because I can hear Roger Stone's name coming right down the pipe.
dan friesen
He's day drunk.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
He's fucked up.
jordan holmes
See, now that's what I want.
I want three hours of rambly, day drunk Roger Stone.
dan friesen
I do not.
I listen to it.
I do not want it.
jordan holmes
Fair.
dan friesen
There may literally be no one left at InfoWars who's able to fill in for Alex.
It's interesting in a way.
He's kind of reached the pinnacle of success, but at the same time, he's right where he started.
He's got a giant business with a ton of employees, but he still needs to do everything himself because everyone sucks.
He's the president's biggest cheerleader, but he's still ignored and cast aside in favor of more seemingly acceptable right-wing commentators.
Same as it ever was.
I feel like you should realize that the path he's on leads nowhere, and it never has.
jordan holmes
It started with him being alone, and it's going to end with him being alone, and good luck to you, buddy.
dan friesen
Except, there's some good news.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
He goes off air and he comes back and then he starts talking about having cancer.
Wait, what?
I was like, wait, do you actually have cancer?
He's like, no, I don't have cancer.
alex jones
Just the only way I can talk to you is from the heart and where I'm at before I had all this news.
I am devastated.
I am devastated.
It's not just that I've learned that I have cancer and that I'm dying.
It's I've learned we all have cancer and we're all dying.
I don't literally have cancer.
Though you have cancer every day and your body kills it with your immune system.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Alright, buddy.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Alright.
You didn't even need to add that shit.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Just say I don't have cancer.
But I could always be fighting off cancer any moment of any day.
dan friesen
That weirded me out because I kind of felt like...
Oh, that makes sense.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You have cancer.
I don't know.
I would believe it if he's like, I have terminal cancer.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, yeah, okay.
dan friesen
Shit.
jordan holmes
Well, no wonder you want the world to end.
dan friesen
Yeah, your narcissism is experiencing it that way.
Well, no.
Unfortunately, that is not the explanation.
I don't even know how I would put it, but that's not the explanation.
He just thinks that everyone's going to die, but you should know he's not happy to report that.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
I'm sitting here last night and this morning thinking about what I'm going to say today on the air because of all the announcements and all the statements that have been made, confirming our worst analysis and then some.
And I don't feel good coming on air telling you that we're all dead.
But I want to explain to you the reality of this, and we'll do it next segment because I'm very emotional right now.
dan friesen
Sound like it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yep.
Very emotional right now.
dan friesen
Ooh, boy.
jordan holmes
All right.
I don't want to...
Man, now I just...
Now that we kind of get more of the gist of what he told his kids at the breakfast table...
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
alex jones
You're gonna watch billions die!
jordan holmes
Is, like, not a good morning.
dan friesen
Kids, you gotta head to the hills.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
Hey, we can do remote learning as far remote as we need to be.
dan friesen
Hey, look, I got some John Birch Society books.
That's all the book learning you need.
So, yeah, I mean, we're all going to die, and Alex takes no pleasure in reporting that.
jordan holmes
That's nice of him.
dan friesen
I think he kind of wouldn't be reporting that if Trump had won the election, which is weird.
But it turns out the election's stolen.
alex jones
They stole this bigger than Dallas in front of everybody.
But, hey, if you catch somebody in your house with a safe, We're in your house with the computers.
We're in your house with the silverware and the family heirlooms.
Do you have a right to take it back?
Damn right you do.
And so they are panicking.
They're saying have a coup against Trump all over the news.
They're saying he's insane, he's crazy, because he's not going to let them have this fifth attempt to coup against us separately.
You've got my commitment to burn the candle at both ends here, ladies and gentlemen.
And we're fighting hard here.
We need your financial support at Infowarsstore.com.
Bringing a caravan up here and flying here with the crew and all.
We love you.
We appreciate you.
Infowarsstore.com.
dan friesen
Bringing this caravan up here is shockingly pointless and spent a lot on gas for no reason.
Owen's a bummer.
jordan holmes
I do appreciate the if.
If you catch a robber in your house, that's good.
If you catch, you know, you have a right to defend yourself, etc.
But if instead of doing that, you lose something and then you drive to D.C. and murder someone who you've never met before and who's never been to where you live.
dan friesen
It's not quite the same as a robber.
jordan holmes
It's not the same thing.
dan friesen
No.
It sort of feels similar to Alex.
jordan holmes
It does, though.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Because of metaphysical laws.
So Alex is, you know, I think you can tell also from that clip that the audio has not gotten better.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
And so Alex gets really mad again.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
I'm on the road.
I'm here in Washington, D.C. I'm having a lot of technical difficulties, but I'm just going to stay on here as best as I can during the break.
We'll try to fix the big, muddy signal.
I'm getting blasted in my ear, but that's okay.
That's why I like to go just with a laptop.
Just straight Skype.
It's like slick, clean.
You've got this big, fandangled thing.
It looks like a space shuttle over here.
It just hammers the hell out of me every time.
In fact, I'm making an executive decision.
I'm going to rebroadcast.
I'm unplugging all this.
I'm going to laptop.
Because, yeah, it'll take a while, but it's okay.
You know, we're real.
We're real transmission here.
I'm just trying the best I can here.
I'm not complaining either.
It's just, God, the whole country's going to hell in a handbasket.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
jordan holmes
I feel it.
dan friesen
I feel it.
jordan holmes
I'm having broadcasting issues, so of course the entire country is falling apart, naturally.
dan friesen
Isn't my shitty setup just indicative of the state of the world?
unidentified
Can't be.
jordan holmes
Isn't it strange that me, Alex Jones of Infowars, would have issues with my phone connection?
dan friesen
Hey, I constantly have these tech issues that plague me in studio and out, and every time I try and take a phone call from somebody, and now here I am trying to broadcast from D.C., and I'm having problems, and somehow I'm surprised by it.
jordan holmes
It's a shock, and the world is clearly going to hell because of it.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
I will say that it's interesting that there's...
This happens twice on this show.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
I don't recall the last time he's done this twice.
But he ends up vamping until the commercial breaks, so he doesn't actually have to storm out a second time.
But he ends up leaving early.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
He ends up...
jordan holmes
He's got more fun things to do.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
unidentified
Yeah, totally.
alex jones
So, that's what comes down to.
Now I'm out.
Riding the range, which I wish I was doing, checking the fences.
I might be wearing a Stetson.
I'm not lucky enough to get to do that because my country is in so much damn peril.
But I can't like Hank Williams Jr.
unidentified
I like to ride my horse and shoot my gun.
alex jones
Country boy's work she's never done.
Now the rest of the song goes.
Good Lord, it's certainly made a lot of beautiful women out there, honey.
jordan holmes
Wow.
alex jones
Harrison Smith is going to be taking over, ladies and gentlemen.
And I'm tempted to pop back in, but...
unidentified
I won't.
alex jones
I was here mentioning all this news, all this information that's unfolding.
Hell, there's been so many people in this hotel room walking back and forth.
I can't even remember what the last clip was I was going to play.
What was the next clip, guys, I was going to get to?
That's where I wanted to go.
dan friesen
This is a great ad for Brain Force.
These sort of nootropics, these supplements that give you focus and clarity and the ability to really stay on task.
jordan holmes
And his teeth are disintegrating.
That one's also a real eye-opener.
dan friesen
When you talk about mental fog versus clarity, you're talking about the ability to do a radio show in a hotel room where there are other people present.
God, just...
Anyway, Harrison Smith takes over for like the last half hour, and I think that's about right.
I think that's about what he can handle.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's boring as shit.
He's terrible, but...
jordan holmes
You give him a little time.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Get his feet wet.
jordan holmes
Yeah, give him five minutes up top.
He won't hurt the show.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It's that kind of thing.
Yeah, for sure.
It's that stand-up show.
It's like, all right, I want you to get some experience, but...
jordan holmes
Yeah, we'll give you a little guest spot.
dan friesen
We still have to move some product, so...
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
We have to keep the audience happy, so Alex is going to do most of it.
Although he's not going to do much.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So that night or that day in caravan activities, it was really stormy that day for Owen.
So he talked to an underwhelming group of people in the rain in North Carolina about how the election was stolen.
And honestly, by this point, the charm of the caravan had worn off for me.
It's redundant, it's unimpressive, and ultimately it's too obvious what the game is.
This is all about creating the optics of taking your dumb show on the road, arriving at a much larger event, and then constantly...
giving yourself credit for the turnout at the large event.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
It's honestly pretty disappointing.
There was such great potential for this road trip.
In the end, it's really forgettable.
We talked about the open mic comic who did the Shao Kahn impression.
I tried to see if there was a human interest angle in here somewhere, but there just isn't.
They had the opportunity to do something really interesting and compelling, and instead they did exactly what InfoWars always does.
They produced a cookie-cutter performance that was meant to create profit and gather attention while funneling support to larger fascist movements.
I'm really excited to see you.
really disappointed in them but I also know there's not really anything else they can't do yeah the only thing that's even close to interesting in this stretch is they did a damage control video in Raleigh where Greg Reese and some other employee discuss how someone gave them a book Sure.
to make Trump look bad.
Sure.
Naturally.
unidentified
Although I would argue it's equally possible it was just a fan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Who gave them a Nazi bookmark and a yoga book.
dan friesen
After the Raleigh stop, they added on to Richmond, Virginia, and honestly, it's a fine turnout, but it's more of the same.
My highlight is that a guy is playing the trumpet there while the crowd sings the national anthem, and a shot of the trumpet player happens to include a historical marker in the background.
This was actually shot on the site of the 1863 Richmond Bread Riot, which is kind of fitting.
The Union forces had hurt supply lines for the Confederacy, so prices of food had increased in Richmond considerably.
From History.com, quote, On April 1st, a group of poor working women held a meeting in a Baptist church to organize a demonstration against the rising costs of food.
Mary Jackson, a 34-year-old mother, and Martha Ferguson riled up the audience with tales of rampant speculation and price gouging happening in the markets.
Soon the mob was angry enough to agree to meet the very next day outside the Capitol building and extract bread and justice from the men in charge.
The governor initially refused to meet with them, but then when he did he was unsympathetic, so the mob went on a tear and started rioting.
They stole food, but also luxury goods, until the riot police arrived and were prepared to fire.
The reason that I think this is fitting, that this ridiculous display was on this same site as the bread riot, is because the aftermath of that riot was that the Confederacy tried really hard to keep it quiet, since they knew that word of this internal chaos would raise the morale of the Union armies.
These videos are really things that Owen and Infowars should try to keep quiet.
They're out there yelling about how this is the end of the country and this caravan's the last battle and these are the crowds they can draw?
I don't know if that raises my morale, but I think it should hurt theirs if they looked at it honestly.
This is not impressive stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I wouldn't like it.
If I was doing that in any capacity, I went on tours where I made...
Negative money.
unidentified
I think I've only exclusively done that.
jordan holmes
I think I broke even one stand.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Maybe for me.
But yeah, if I was doing this in any...
This would be bad for me on an amateur tour.
That's the level of bad this is.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You might be able to get a little bit of B-roll from this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
For a larger thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The camp video?
The wrap up video?
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe.
But yeah, it's not...
jordan holmes
No, this isn't good.
dan friesen
It seems to me like this is them throwing everything they've got.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The most extreme language, the most immediacy possible.
And it's still incredibly underwhelming.
And I would be embarrassed of that if I were InfoWars and if I were Owen.
I would treat this like the Confederacy treated the bread riot.
And I would not have the trumpeteer standing right in front of the memorial of that.
jordan holmes
Hide it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So we jump to the 13th, Friday, and Alex is back hosting his show again from D.C. From D.C. That would have been really funny if he'd gone home.
Yeah.
Fuck it.
jordan holmes
I can't do it from here, and nobody is home!
dan friesen
And Trump called yesterday, but I was napping.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I can't call him back.
jordan holmes
He drove by the hotel, and he stopped by, and I was napping, and he just couldn't get in.
They wouldn't let him in because he didn't have a room.
dan friesen
Yep.
Classic hotel staff.
Classic hotel.
Yeah, it would be funny if you left, but instead he stayed and then just did nothing.
Yeah.
Except for yelling to a bullhorn.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
But here he is talking about what has happened on the caravan.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And you would know that this wasn't true if you were keeping up with the caravan.
jordan holmes
How would I know?
alex jones
Well, we caught Antifa on the way here.
They were following us from Florida up into Virginia and D.C. posing as patriots and handing out white supremacist literature.
So that's going to be their main mission tomorrow.
We actually caught them on video red-handed, and we actually intercepted their communications.
jordan holmes
We love you, Alex!
alex jones
Through a source.
jordan holmes
Here's our Nazi stuff.
alex jones
Through a mole.
I'll tell them we've infiltrated them.
And they're planning to dress like MAGA folks at the March tomorrow.
They'll be wearing their red baseball caps backwards and wearing camouflage pants.
Is how they're dressing.
dan friesen
Alex is making all that up.
And the only thing that's real is that book that someone gave them with a Nazi bookmark in it that they've decided is leftist agitators.
And now he's turned this into they have a mole and Antifa followed them from Florida up through the whole convoy all the way up and there's plans for in D.C. they're going to show up with backwards MAGA hats and camouflage pants and they're going to Hand out dirty literature to everyone to make the Patriots look bad.
So dumb.
jordan holmes
I can think of few things that would do more for the cause than Antifa joining that InfoWars caravan as agent provocateurs.
I just don't think there's anything else that could be done for the movement that would have that much effect.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't think I've heard anybody but me talk about this.
unidentified
Really, the caravan is just for them, but us, isn't it?
dan friesen
I'm not positive.
unidentified
I've seen any, like, angry tweets about it or anything.
dan friesen
I think I saw a couple people posting about the milkshake from the truckers.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
I think I saw a little bit of jokes about that.
But in terms of this, I don't think anybody gives a shit except for them and me.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I don't think Antifa's following anybody.
jordan holmes
It's really annoying that you spend all of your time whipping up white supremacists to fight for you, and then you're like...
I don't know where all these white supremacists come from.
Must be leftist.
dan friesen
Must be Antifa.
jordan holmes
Come on, man.
You've spent so much time loving these guys.
Let's just move on.
dan friesen
It's a little much.
Just say it.
jordan holmes
It's not going to alienate 48% of the country.
dan friesen
It's not going to alienate the people who are still listening to you at this point.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
If you can ramble about the literal devil all the fucking time and say all this nonsense bullshit and people don't leave, just mask off, man.
jordan holmes
Just toss a Sig Heil out there.
dan friesen
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Who fucking cares?
dan friesen
So, but even if he does do that, these listeners, Nazi or otherwise, need to recognize that their lives are over.
And so, because their lives are over, it's time to go yell at the governor.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
When you're tuning in, I want everybody to understand, your life is over, as you know it, until you fight back.
We need people every day surrounding the governor's mansion where Governor Abbott is.
If he's in a restaurant eating, you don't go up and threaten him.
You go up and you say, sir, we know you're being blackmailed.
We know the lockdown's permanent.
Be a leader and stop it.
We need to start his recall.
dan friesen
Smash cut to Alex complaining about people yelling at Trump officials at restaurants.
jordan holmes
A bunch of leftist provocateurs, yeah.
dan friesen
Also, there are 20 states in the United States where a governor can be recalled, and Texas is not one of them.
In order for Alex to do his plan about recalling Governor Abbott, he would first need to find justification for a new law in the Texas Constitution and then get a law passed by the state legislature.
It would be a cumbersome process that he's not up for, and honestly, it would probably just be easier to wait until he's up for re-election and then field a fringe-ass candidate to lose to him and probably split the vote so a Democrat ends up winning.
He's still an incredibly far-right politician, just not far-right enough for Alex.
He's failed Alex's purity tests.
jordan holmes
It's not illegal to write a law that just says Governor Abbott can never be governor, right?
dan friesen
Abbott out.
jordan holmes
Abbott, yeah, no Abbott.
No Abbott's forever.
dan friesen
Yeah, that might be an interesting law.
jordan holmes
I would be interested in that law.
dan friesen
I think it would get challenged.
Someone would file a lawsuit.
jordan holmes
On what grounds?
dan friesen
I'm not a lawyer.
So in this next clip, this clip's a little bit long, but I kept it in because it begins with Alex talking about how he's not into offensive violence.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And then it's quite a ramble about a bunch of nonsense.
But I think I needed to play it.
It's two and a half minutes long.
But the reason I wanted to play this whole chunk is, like, if you listen to this...
It's sort of an ABA kind of structure, where you have the A theme of offensive violence, then B is kind of just random talking points, spaghetti up against the wall, and then you return to what the thesis of the initial thought was, but by that point, your brain will, if you're not paying attention, you'll kind of already have forgotten that that's what he was talking about.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, okay.
dan friesen
And this happens quite a bit, but I rarely play full clips.
Of it, just because it's, I mean, it's long.
alex jones
And I don't want any offensive violence, but I see a lot of talk online, people saying, time to dust off the muskets.
Here's the issue, existentially.
And I'll get to these clips of the big news.
Under common law, under common sense.
You cannot come with experimental dangerous vaccines, whether they'd be safe or not.
And they're not, they're deadly, and it's obviously the takeover.
These people have liability protection.
They have long histories of killing people with vaccines.
They are eugenicists that want to depopulate you.
When somebody says, I want to depopulate you, and he's spent hundreds of billions of dollars he got from big foundations and the robber barons to get control of the world health system and most nation-state systems, he's been thrown out of over 20 countries, Gates Hasby.
He's in another 140 or so.
jordan holmes
Thrown out of 20 countries.
alex jones
When you've got something of that matter.
dan friesen
Through a plate glass window.
alex jones
And he says he wants to do this, and it's what he comes out of, Cold Springs Harbor and the eugenics.
And then he's coming, violating the Geneva Convention, violating the Nuremberg Code, violating international law.
If the Nazis were coming to give you a deadly shot or take your kids away, you don't just have a right, you have a duty to fight them.
So they've already shut down the communications almost everywhere.
Now they're coming.
Now they're going to beta test in Canada and Europe in this round and in California and in New York, dragging people out of their homes, beating people up that don't wear masks.
Taking people's children away.
The UN said that was the goal.
It's already happened in Australia and Spain.
Now it's happening in England.
And they're just normalizing that vans come, cops have guns, you disappear.
And then again, if they say you have COVID, these are leftist doctors at extermination centers, not guillotines.
They say, oh, he had COVID, and now you're going to see people taken to the COVID centers.
It's already happening in Australia.
People die in these.
You're totally healthy.
They take you.
They go, oh, he got sick.
We had to intubate him.
And yeah, he died after two weeks on a ventilator.
So they strap you down, and the Chinese do this, and they put it down your lungs, and they kill you.
And they sit there and laugh at you while you're dying.
And they turn it up way higher.
In fact, a lot of the old folks in the Blue City areas where they have these killer eugenics doctors, they're in cult bioethics boards like Ezekiel Emanuel saying he wants to kill old people.
He runs this.
He hires for decades all these boards.
These are psycho killers.
Even the medical association said, why did you give people twice the pressure you're supposed to?
And they're just like, because they've got to get kill numbers.
So they're coming to kill you.
They're coming to kill you.
They're coming to kill you.
unidentified
So you kind of get what I'm saying.
dan friesen
He starts with the presentation of, like, there's a lot of people who are saying, clean off your rifles.
And then he gives the appearance of saying that, no, you shouldn't.
And that is good for him, because he can sort of point to that as being like, this is me pushing back against the idea of offensive violence.
Now, the next two minutes is him saying a hundred fucking different things that you can't keep track of all these various little bullshit pieces.
jordan holmes
No, Ezekiel Emanuel wants to kill everybody.
dan friesen
Totally.
Cult leftist doctors.
jordan holmes
Bioethics boards.
dan friesen
Psycho killers.
jordan holmes
Do cults create bioethics boards?
Is that a thing I didn't know about?
dan friesen
That's what the new Assassin's Creed is actually about.
jordan holmes
Goddamn Templars.
dan friesen
And then it gets to the end, and the message that he's trying to drive home is, they're coming to kill you, they're coming to kill you, they're coming to kill you.
This is the answer to the beginning of it.
jordan holmes
This is him saying, There is no such thing as offensive violence now.
dan friesen
It's not a question of that.
Existentially, this isn't even a question we need to worry about.
All violence is defensive.
jordan holmes
You got it.
dan friesen
But he doesn't need to actually say that if he structures the argument this way.
And if anybody tries to say, Alex, you're advocating for people to dust off their rifles and fire at people if they feel like they're...
jordan holmes
Vaccine pushers.
If a bioethics board is coming for them.
dan friesen
Or someone is telling you to wear a mask.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's offensive violence.
So anything you do to that person is defensive.
dan friesen
And if anybody tries to say that, Alex, this is what you're saying, he can point to, like, I said that there's a lot of people who are saying clean off the rifles, and I was pushing back against that idea.
jordan holmes
Alex, you are one of them.
You just did.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, the larger context of it is the coward's way of saying exactly that.
Just shoot people.
There's no such thing as offensive.
commit that one of those crimes I will say that it's a leftist who totally and that it was offensive yeah and then they also handed me a fucking book with a Nazi totally book market and followed me from Florida.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
So in this next clip, Alex talks about a conspiracy that I'd like to see him substantiate at And the police come and say, you're not allowed to criticize the lockdown and arrest them and disappear them.
alex jones
And by the way, a lot of these people, we need to try to get them on Daria.
Remember that Swedish couple was panicking and they come and she was organizing a demonstration and they arrested her, her husband.
They've never been seen again last time I heard.
We need to check on them.
Same thing in Australia.
They've disappeared thousands of people.
Members of city councils that said no.
We're taking a military base.
Some were never seen again.
dan friesen
What?
There's a big difference between you not checking.
jordan holmes
This is what I'm saying.
This is object permanence.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
If they still existed, we would have heard about them in the news again.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Since we haven't heard about them in the news.
dan friesen
They've never been seen again.
jordan holmes
They've been killed.
dan friesen
They've been disappeared.
jordan holmes
That's the only explanation.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's really sloppy.
jordan holmes
That's all it takes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's all it takes.
dan friesen
I would assume...
jordan holmes
I have not seen my delivery driver for the Chinese food that I got last night for 24 hours, and I'm thinking about filing a missing persons report.
That's scary.
dan friesen
I would assume that if city council members were being disappeared, there would be openings on city councils that were very suspicious.
jordan holmes
We would at least have elections.
dan friesen
We'd have a runoff.
Why?
We elected somebody.
jordan holmes
Somebody disappeared.
Don't worry about it.
dan friesen
Okay.
I think that...
jordan holmes
Would you update their Wikipedia page?
dan friesen
One thing that would happen there is paperwork.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Yeah, definitely.
dan friesen
You'd be able to point to something.
jordan holmes
There would be paperwork.
dan friesen
Conspicuous in its absence from any of this is any proof.
And when Alex says there's this Swedish couple, they've never been seen again.
We should look into them.
Like, that tells me you haven't, and you're making that up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so why would you say it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex goes to calls.
He takes some calls.
And one of them he offers a job to.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And this guy is somebody who he'd previously offered a job to.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And he's like, hey, you know, you said give me a half hour show or something.
And Alex is like, oh yeah, man, we're going to start that up soon.
jordan holmes
Sure!
dan friesen
He's still planning on starting that show with callers up soon.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
Love it.
But yeah, so here's what this caller's theory is about what the Dems are up to.
unidentified
I feel like the left is winding up their people.
They projected this win so that when Trump does win on the day of the eclipse, December 14th, when that all gets sorted out, I feel like this is going to create bedlam in the streets.
I feel like they're going right into the COVID news now to create a lockdown scenario in all those leftist areas to lock those people down, to suppress them even more, so that they go crazy when Trump wins to really stoke this civil war.
And I feel like that's really what they've set up.
alex jones
I totally agree with you.
I totally agree with you, sir.
What else do you think is coming?
unidentified
I feel like what you were saying about the bio-attack thing, I feel like...
Just going with God here and looking at the alignments and God's handiwork here.
There's a great conjunction on December 21st.
dan friesen
Uh-oh, Mayan Apocalypse shit.
unidentified
Wow, wow.
dan friesen
It's back.
jordan holmes
I'm sick of conjunctions, man.
dan friesen
Eight years later, it's back.
jordan holmes
Sick of conjunctions.
dan friesen
So that eclipse that's happening on December 14th isn't going to be visible in any part of North America.
jordan holmes
But they will be able to feel it?
dan friesen
It's only going to be seen in South America, parts of northern Antarctica, and some of southwest Africa.
I have no idea why that would be significant in the United States, but go off.
Whatever.
jordan holmes
It's an eclipse.
Eclipses are global events, Dan.
It's the sun and the moon, and they're doing a whole thing.
They're spinning all the time.
dan friesen
I grow weary of these sorts of ideas being brought to Alex's attention and being like, I fucking agree!
jordan holmes
I fucking love it!
Damn right!
No, of course, they're locking leftists down to whip them up into a frenzy so whenever Trump definitely doesn't steal the election and wins it outright, they'll be whipped into an insane frenzy and start the Civil War.
dan friesen
And they knew that all of this...
jordan holmes
They knew all of it would happen.
dan friesen
And they knew they had to do all of this right now because the stars are aligning and there's an eclipse on December 4th.
jordan holmes
It's the eclipse.
dan friesen
They gotta do it.
You know what I grow weary of?
Anybody who dares take this shit seriously.
Anybody who has the pretense of like, no, he actually has some really good ideas.
He's right about more than he's wrong about.
Go fuck yourself.
jordan holmes
Go fuck yourself.
dan friesen
You never listen to this show.
jordan holmes
If you listen to this shit, you'd be like, oh, god damn it.
dan friesen
Anybody, anybody, I challenge them.
If they think that Alex is more right than he's wrong.
jordan holmes
No kidding.
dan friesen
Explain away.
jordan holmes
Tell me about how eclipses are part of the...
dan friesen
And every civilization's ended because of priests eating people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, in only a hundred years.
And all of the people are dead.
dan friesen
To be fair, sometimes it was like a hundred years.
There's different time frames, but it always ends up with a human barbecue.
jordan holmes
Every civilization has turned its back to Christ, Dan.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
And it falls apart.
dan friesen
So, instead of just handing off the baton to Harrison Smith on this episode, Alex has a little bit of a fancy maneuver, and that is he has Ezra Levant.
From Rebel Media come on to host for a couple segments, and then Harrison takes over.
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
So Alex still gets to leave early.
jordan holmes
Nicely done.
alex jones
Ezra Levant is coming up.
Very excited.
I'm going to interview him for a segment.
He's a great talk show host in his own right with Rebel Media.
He's going to take over for two segments, and then we're going to have Harrison Smith and Owen Schroyer.
Hosting from D.C. Harrison's back in Austin, Texas.
dan friesen
The interview is not very interesting at all, and the only other clip Alex has on this show before he leaves that I think is interesting in any way is this.
alex jones
But man, let me tell you, Trump won a landslide.
Everyone I know believes Trump won.
Black, white, Hispanic, old, young.
I mean, it's like...
60% support Trump.
Everybody knew Trump was working his ass off.
No one votes for that dead zombie Biden and Kamala that had half a percent support in Democrats.
Everyone hates them.
That's why the globalists chose them, because they're such weak puppets.
They can control them.
So I think we have 60%.
It's just we have to convince ourselves that we are the majority and start not complying.
dan friesen
This is in reference to a caller who's like, 3% in polls believe Trump won the election.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex's like, I think we got 60. I think it's 100%.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, Jesus.
dan friesen
So he talks to Ezra Levant.
It's unconsequential.
And then the show wraps up.
jordan holmes
I think what frustrates me the most is that the principal reason that Alex and the conservatives like Trump is because he's a dick to libs.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Lib tears.
jordan holmes
Did it never occur to you that that would motivate libs?
Right?
dan friesen
Uh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Say, okay, fine.
Say that nobody's voting for Biden.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
The principal factor of your guy is making a lot of people hate him.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, that's motivating.
And then when you add on, like, the existential danger that he presents to vulnerable populations, you can probably galvanize quite a bit of support that way as well.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's all just dumb.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, on Friday, the convoy arrived in D.C. And at that point, it's really kind of pointless to discuss it as being its own thing anymore.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
From that point on, the caravan just became another group of participants in the larger, very sad display in D.C. I guess this is their point now.
unidentified
Okay.
I don't know what they're doing.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Yes, we've been wildly obsessed with electoral politics for the last little while, and yet here we are trying to overturn an election while yelling, government sucks.
jordan holmes
I just, I just, you guys don't understand anything.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, if you want to be anarchist, go for it.
jordan holmes
No, of course, but they don't want to be anarchist.
They hate anarchists.
dan friesen
No, no.
jordan holmes
God, I hate these people.
dan friesen
Yeah.
A government that is not fully in line with exactly what we want in a way that represses the people we don't like sucks.
That's the real chant.
jordan holmes
Nah, Nazis suck!
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Nah, Nazis suck!
dan friesen
On the one hand, it's only fair that I congratulate Owen for being able to get to D.C. Theoretically on time.
jordan holmes
Lost me 50 bucks.
dan friesen
In hindsight, this was a miscalculation on my part because I thought that they were actually planning to do things in the cities that they went to, not just drop in on ongoing rallies for about 15 minutes before leaving.
They were able to achieve their goals on their trip because they had no goals.
So I guess I just overestimated the project.
jordan holmes
You put together that time schedule where I was like, yeah, I would say two hours is about right for a rally.
You know, you're going to go do some glad hunting.
dan friesen
Maybe you want to see something in the town, too.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Like, it's awesome to go around America.
And I know from the times that I've been on the road, there's just unexpected shit.
Like, you might have to take a shit.
You might have to pull over at a rest stop for a couple minutes.
And sometimes you might get lost.
How many times have you been on the road and been like, we're 10 minutes, we're 15 minutes off track, doubling back, now you've lost half an hour.
jordan holmes
It's the best.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's the best.
You might even stop and see the world's largest blank.
It's the best.
dan friesen
I think that they probably weren't on time for most of it, but they did end up pulling it off and the trip ended up.
So like...
Congratulations.
unidentified
I mean, but they set the bar so low for success.
dan friesen
I had more ambition for them than they did.
Of course we did.
Of course we did.
That's kind of sad.
jordan holmes
This is why we're here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
With that congratulation out of the way, I have to say that this was one of the most pathetic, dismal, embarrassing, and childish weekends I've ever seen in this country.
The prelude of Alex's completely pointless and poorly attended caravan tour is what made me pay closer attention, but if not for that aspect, I think I might have given this entire million MAGA March nonsense a- Fuck it.
The turnout on Saturday was in the tens of thousands, but nowhere near their goal of a million people, and well below the 400,000-plus who came to D.C. for the 2017 Women's March.
It doesn't even come close to the turnout for Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert's rally to restore sanity and or fear back in 2010.
There are two pieces of the puzzle here.
That are important to recognize are both true and seem at odds with each other, but are not.
The first is that this rally was a horrible failure.
The turnout wasn't even close to what the organizers and propagandists like Alex would have wanted, having built this up as their last fight for the country.
The fact that they did a poorly attended caravan leading up to the march only serves to highlight how thin the support for their cause is in other cities around the country, even in the more conservative-leaning South.
Their attempt at creating optics of the country speaking out in support of Trump has really only proven that their best shot isn't even a fraction of the people who will come out to support reproductive rights or civil rights protections.
There's going to be excuses for the small turnout, and there will be pictures that do look like million people, but they're far less.
There have already been a ton of attempts to use pictures from the Women's March or the March for Our Lives protests, which have been erroneously claimed to have been from this weekend.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
There have also been edited videos of Trump supporters being attacked, where the context of them initiating the violence was left out.
These will be the attempts to salvage what the Trump scammers can from this utter failure of a rally.
The second piece of the puzzle is that the turnout was still way too high, and that's because this rally was explicitly radical.
This was not a political rally in the sense that like a march supporting the Second Amendment or a march protesting a tax hike might be.
The only reason this rally was happening is that these people decided to show up to say they don't want to follow the rules of the country anymore.
Whenever there's a new president elected, The side that doesn't win will often hold demonstrations, and you're likely to hear people chanting stuff like, not my president, and I bet you could find small pockets of people in those protests who insist the election itself was invalid and the results aren't real.
This weekend's rally was an entire rally that just consisted of that small pocket, which is now, I guess, the right wing.
This rally was a collection of really fucked up weirdos.
Alex Jones had the Proud Boys giving him security, apparently one of whom had a Pinochet did nothing wrong shirt on.
The Oath Keepers may or may not have had men stationed around the city in case shit got hot.
Nick Fuentes and his Grapers walked around as completely normal participants in the affair.
QAnon weirdos were all around.
The seeming contradiction is the same thing that haunted every stop on the caravan.
In every city, the turnout they got was minuscule compared to the way they present their audience.
Every event they held would be considered a flop by anyone who seriously had the self-image that they do.
But they don't mean it when they describe how popular they are.
It's kind of a joke.
They know they're lying, just like Alex does when he says there were 400 cars in the caravan.
That's a lie for the benefit of the listener in the middle of nowhere who thinks they're hearing dispatches from the front line, not realizing that they're being deceived to sell them pills.
They don't care that there's no one at the actual rally because on some level, everyone at InfoWars has to know that in a sane world, no one would show up at their rallies.
Nine people showing up to send them off in Austin is more than they deserve based on their credibility, work ethic, and integrity.
This is the same dynamic at the DC rally.
The turnout is a disaster if you're looking at it as a sincere attempt at a political rally.
If you're looking at it for what it is, which is a collection of people living in a completely fractured reality that's at odds with our reality and sees our reality as hostile, then the turnout should be terrifying in a wake-up call.
Any event that would allow people like Nick Fuentes and Alex Jones to speak on their stages is not a political event.
And I worry that some people there or some people who might have seen coverage of the rally, they might not understand that dynamic and how extreme the stuff they're seeing actually is.
I don't know what to think about what the future holds, but I do have a couple of main thoughts that came up.
The first is that Alex's messaging to his audience is completely out of sync with his public behavior.
In this period where he's going to D.C. and joining in this rally that's trying to reinstall Trump as the president of the country, he's simultaneously telling his audience that there's no hope and everyone's going to die, so everyone needs to head to the hills.
This messaging is discordant, and it kind of gives you the impression that his primary focus is attention-seeking behavior and selling survival food buckets.
The second is that we are about to be entering a period where fantasies and alternative realities on the extreme right As more and more excuses for why these fantasies aren't coming true become unconvincing, the need to escalate will be ever-present.
Whereas before, in his earlier career, Alex could justify his conspiracies by pointing to the Federal Reserve, now in the era of Trump, in order to make anything he's saying make sense, he needs to evoke the literal devil, end-times prophecies, outrageously complicated and nonsensical conspiracies, and insistences that everyone he doesn't like is a pedophile.
Without strong forces pushing in the opposite direction.
This road only leads to deeper extremism.
There's no point where someone like Alex will be like, alright, good job, we achieved our goals.
If he ever reached his impossible-to-attain goal of eliminating all the globalists, I would bet everything that I own that he'd magically find a new sect of neo-globalists and just knock me down with a feather they all happen to not be white.
What I'm saying is...
I'm worried.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean...
Extremism on the right has always been there.
Obviously, they're the right.
That's kind of their position.
But in electoral politics, you used to be able to give them a bone.
You know, like, oh, George W. Bush lowered the marginal tax rate.
That's like a little pressure valve.
You know?
We gotta win.
The president gave us something, we elected him, and we got the win that we were looking for.
Now, all of the wins that they want are either imaginary, and so cannot be achieved, or impossible, and so also cannot be achieved, or will kill everyone.
So hopefully will not be achieved.
dan friesen
Well, even the imaginary...
jordan holmes
So there's no pressure valve, you know, other than violence, really.
dan friesen
The imaginary and the impossible ones, the practical real-world versions of them are exactly what it would look like if someone were taking authoritarian rule.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
You know, it would be like the...
Targeted prosecution of the leadership of the opposition party.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we want Hillary to go to prison.
That's not going to happen, guys.
dan friesen
The real world version of any kind of thing that would be like, ah, yes, we've gotten what we want, would be...
jordan holmes
Public execution!
You know?
So it's like, there's no pressure release valve.
And if...
Trump, if the right hadn't have weaponized imagination, then they could have been like, oh, well, Trump put up fucking...
He dropped environmental protection, so we win.
But nobody gives a shit about that on the right.
They just want fucking murder.
dan friesen
If Alex wants to try and continue his brand, he should just be focusing on the fact that Trump got out of the TPP or whatever.
jordan holmes
Sure, something.
dan friesen
And stay on that talking point and be like, let's build from there.
But he can't.
jordan holmes
And your messaging on the right was never economic anxiety.
It used to come off that way, but now it's just full-on racism.
So you can't even be like, oh, well, we got out of the TPP because of economic anxiety or anything like that.
dan friesen
Well, you might want to tell the Times that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that it's really worrisome.
Just the rally itself in D.C. was worrying.
This is an attempt to take over fully the GOP with these scam artists.
These Trump scam folk.
I think that's probably wise of them.
I think it's the only thing they can do.
jordan holmes
It's their best shot now.
dan friesen
Although they'll end up in a turf war with QAnon soon enough.
And then they'll fracture the party, and then Democrats will win every election moving forward.
jordan holmes
That's probably our...
The most likely outcome of that in the long term is they will eventually kill each other.
They'll destroy themselves from within.
dan friesen
Or at least diminish their own electoral power.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
But I meant metaphysically, metaphorically, not, you know.
But that's...
That's, like, the long term?
The short term is fucked up shit.
dan friesen
Yes, yes it is.
jordan holmes
It's always fucked up shit.
dan friesen
Yes, it is.
And it's very scary.
jordan holmes
Fuck.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Oh, well.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Hey!
dan friesen
Much like everything on Knowledge Fight, this caravanity project has started fun and ended up depressing.
So great.
jordan holmes
The good news is, though, in South Carolina, they did find a homeless man with a computer chip in his hand, but they couldn't get footage of it.
dan friesen
He gave them that Nazi book.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
There's the problem.
That's what happened.
dan friesen
So, I resent this so much.
They ruin my fun.
jordan holmes
I just want to have fun.
They just don't understand how to do anything.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Anything.
dan friesen
How much fun would it be if one of the videos was just like Owen being like, all right, we're going to go to this North Carolina.
We're going to go to this Raleigh event.
But you know what?
While we're in town, I'm going to try and find the best hot dog.
jordan holmes
Totally!
Something!
Anything!
Something!
dan friesen
Some personality other than we're angry.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
Yeah.
Wah!
We're angry and we're sensitive.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
That's it.
jordan holmes
Like, we're angry and we're like, please don't hit us with milkshakes.
God damn it.
dan friesen
You gotta hit the car wash.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Anyway, thank you all for joining us on this Caravanity Project.
Yes, indeed.
I think that I need a day off, and so I think we will be back at the end of the week.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
I think we'll have an episode on Friday this week.
jordan holmes
I believe so, yeah.
dan friesen
Because I also just don't think that Alex is gonna be, like, back to...
Putting out some content that I can cover in time for Wednesday's episode or anything.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't want to...
Look, sorry guys.
Everybody out there, sorry.
I don't want to cover Alex going on Tim Pool.
jordan holmes
I don't care.
dan friesen
I don't respect Tim Pool enough to deconstruct an episode of his squirrely ass.
jordan holmes
Plenty of people told me that Alex was on Tim Pool, and I was like, who the fuck is Tim Pool, and why would I give a shit?
dan friesen
He's somewhat relevant to the worlds that we cover, but I find him so...
Insufferable.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And also, he seems like somebody who might bother me.
jordan holmes
What type of douchebag is he?
dan friesen
He seems like the kind of guy who might email me.
jordan holmes
Oh, who's going to try and do an episode about him.
dan friesen
And I just don't even want to deal with that.
I don't want to wake up someday and see a notification to who wants to debate or something.
I just don't want to do it.
So yeah, I don't know.
I don't think I'm going to do that.
But maybe sometime in the future.
Maybe as sort of a look back thing.
But there's no immediacy.
I have no interest in covering it the same way we might cover Rogan.
Anyway, we'll be back at the end of the week.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yes, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
And I go to Bed Jordan.
dan friesen
Yep, we're on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook!
Just download ShowRate, ReviveTunes, and if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX, Clark, I'm Daryl Rundis.
I am that trucker who threw a milkshake at the dude in the caravan.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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