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Nov. 11, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
01:52:25
#501: November 7-8, 2020

November 7–8, 2020 finds The Alex Jones Show pivoting from election fraud claims—like the debunked "Hammer" supercomputer theory—to a COVID-19 conspiracy, warning Trump that conceding risks the 25th Amendment. Jones promotes Owen Schroer’s "caravan," mockingly dismissed as a convoy, while allies like Joe Arpaio stage performative messages. Fringe media amplifies baseless theories, exploiting desperation; Jones’s shift reveals less urgency than self-serving spectacle, undermining credibility and rallying support through manufactured chaos. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 18:09
d
dan friesen
01:01:53
j
jordan holmes
27:23
Appearances
a
ali alexander
00:39
Clips
j
joe biden
d 00:26
n
nancy pelosi
rep/d 00:21
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
alex jones
Knowledgepight.com.
It's time to pray.
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang, we are the bad guys.
Knowledge and final.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Pandy.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy and Kansas, you're on the airplane for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fishpin color in my career today.
jordan holmes
I love your room.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
alex jones
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today.
Now, spoiler alert to everybody out there listening.
We just recorded our bright spots and realized that it was not recorded.
jordan holmes
Had not started.
dan friesen
The thing we had not recorded.
jordan holmes
It's crucial to record it.
dan friesen
I hit the button.
jordan holmes
I believe you start recording.
Not saying that I didn't say that I disbelieved it.
dan friesen
So we're going to share our bright spots with each other for a second time.
So if any of this sounds insincere.
jordan holmes
It's a little bit weird to do it twice in a row.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There were some great riffs.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
You guys missed out on gold.
dan friesen
Now I feel like I can't bring any.
unidentified
Oh, God.
I know.
jordan holmes
It's tough to bring the same energy.
unidentified
I know.
dan friesen
Anyway, my bright spot is world music.
jordan holmes
Actually, on the second time, that is funnier.
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not that funny.
I'm just worried, like I told you earlier on the first time, that I'm worried that I'm becoming my parents because they used to have a lot of interest in a lot of music from around the world, particularly this band, Yuthu Yindi, which is a lot of synth and also tribal sounds from Oceania.
And yeah, it was a running joke throughout our family, but I was on Spotify getting some work done for the episode.
Just like to put on music in the background while I'm researching and reading up on stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I always like to let them see what you got.
They know what I've listened to.
Let's see if you can hit a home run.
jordan holmes
I don't trust nobody.
dan friesen
And there was some music from Malawi that ended up coming up, and I really, really enjoyed it.
And I'm worried this is going to set me off on a path of just like getting into all sorts of stuff from around the world.
Which isn't the worst thing ever.
jordan holmes
Nothing.
No, no, no.
Orchestra Baobab is great.
You should try them out.
They're fantastic.
dan friesen
Writing this down?
jordan holmes
There's all kinds of great African music.
I think it's a little bit cliche to reference them because they're probably, or maybe not.
Maybe no one has any idea about them except for in the weird circles that I live in.
dan friesen
That might be.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's so cliche to reference orchestra baobab.
You know the thing everyone does.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, on one of our bonus episodes, we did talk about your love of really obscure music.
So you can't tell who knows what.
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, so this might be a new little bit of an auditory adventure for me, and I'm excited to embark on it and find out what the rest of the world has to offer in terms of sound.
jordan holmes
A lot of great music out there.
dan friesen
Awesome.
What about you?
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan, is Assassin's Creed Valhalla.
It's a fantastic game.
I enjoyed it.
dan friesen
I want to say that I already knew that the first time around before I had even said it the first time.
Right.
Now it's the second time I'm totally not interested.
It's not surprising.
jordan holmes
You even already know the story that my bright spot is, so it's not even an interesting thing.
dan friesen
But I also knew that because you texted me about it before the first time I was.
jordan holmes
This is terrible for you.
You're bored by it.
My bright spot is a video game.
Is that what you wanted to hear, Dave?
dan friesen
No, I'm thrilled for you because it's been a long time coming.
You're very excited about this game.
jordan holmes
No, it's my favorite series.
dan friesen
As you should be.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's my favorite series.
And I had originally ordered it.
I found out on the 9th that my copy wouldn't arise.
I ordered a physical copy like moron.
dan friesen
Wow.
And it would have been a man of a certain age.
jordan holmes
It wouldn't have run.
Yes, I have reached that time.
dan friesen
Your console age, your cartridge age game cartridge age.
jordan holmes
I still blow on the DVDs just in case.
Yeah, yeah.
It's very smart.
Yeah, no, and it wasn't going to show up until the 17th.
So on the 9th, I was like, fuck this.
It was 7 o'clock.
It was going to be available at 11.
So I scrambled and got the download copy as soon as I possibly could.
dan friesen
There you go.
jordan holmes
And all troubles were averted.
dan friesen
It's perfect.
Yeah, you got to.
I mean, it's going to be another week for that thing to show up.
jordan holmes
You can't do it.
No, no, no.
People are going to say stuff like that.
And I'm like, no.
dan friesen
I must experience it fresh.
jordan holmes
I must be part of the zeitgeist.
dan friesen
So I've been busy because, you know, the show and what have you, and sort of other related projects.
And so I haven't had a lot of time to play it, but I did pre-order a digital copy myself.
And I did play a little bit.
jordan holmes
Like a genius.
dan friesen
I played a little bit the other night.
I've not gotten very far into it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I'm concerned.
Now, here's why.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't know a lot about Norse and Viking stuff.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Whereas other iterations of the game were like sort of mythologies, cultural histories that I know a little bit more about.
jordan holmes
Greece is your wheelhouse.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like right up your ass.
dan friesen
Even the one before it was Egypt.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I know a bit about Egyptian.
Fantastic Egyptian history.
Yeah, yeah.
I know very little.
And I realized why.
It's those letters.
jordan holmes
It's the letters.
The ruins.
dan friesen
No, I just can't handle the weird combination of letters in the names and stuff.
It intimidates me.
And I don't know what to do with those Vs and J's and Y's and G's everywhere.
It scares me.
I don't know what to do.
jordan holmes
Ah, come on.
It's fine.
dan friesen
It's hard.
jordan holmes
And it's elvish.
You're fine.
dan friesen
It's very difficult for me.
And I realize that subconscious bias has kept me away.
So I'm excited to embark on a little bit of this, find out some stuff that I can then maybe read up on the real version of.
jordan holmes
I think what's really funny about that is having played just a little bit further into the game than you, after the title card, which is, you know, like four hours, five hours in.
dan friesen
Not even come close to that, I'm sure.
jordan holmes
You go to England.
So all of the worries.
Spoilers.
It's funny to me that you're like, oh, I'm worried about the ruins.
And I'm like, dude, three hours from now, you won't even see a ruin.
You're fine.
Wow.
dan friesen
I'm a little disappointed.
jordan holmes
No, it's going to be great.
It's awesome.
dan friesen
But the other thing, that actually kind of puts to bed my other worry about the game.
Having, again, played very little of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm worried it's too white, but not in like white people way.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I mean, snow.
jordan holmes
It's very snow.
dan friesen
There's so much goddamn snow around.
It's visually monochromatic to a level that if it were the entire game, I would have a problem with that.
I think it would be a difficulty because of the open world exploration aspect.
If you're just running around and everywhere is snow covered, it becomes a bummer.
jordan holmes
No, even with Witcher 3, it wasn't gloomy all the time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It was gloomy most of the time.
dan friesen
And there were sort of variations to the gloom.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's light gloom, dark gloom.
You got them.
dan friesen
Well, I'm glad to know that some of these concerns that I have, whether it be letter or snow-based.
jordan holmes
Letter or weather, it's still a good game.
dan friesen
I trust the developers of those games enough to not make a game that's all snow.
I figure it would be such an elementary kind of thing.
jordan holmes
Rogue was.
Did you ever play Assassin's Group, bro?
Yeah, that one's mainly snow.
So you skip that one for good.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Skip it.
jordan holmes
That one's out of here.
dan friesen
I don't mind a little snow.
jordan holmes
Anyway, you live in Illinois.
You don't mind a little snow.
dan friesen
I live through snow apocalypse.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we've been here a while.
Come on.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we're getting back into the present.
We're going to be talking about November 7th and 8th, 2020.
Dan, this is 2020.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
We're entering that interesting period where we find out what Alex does during the 79 days of hell.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
On our last episode, we experienced what happened when Alex left and Steve Pieczenik tried to throw a wrench in the gears.
Today we jump in and I guess we're just pretending none of this shit happened.
jordan holmes
I was born in 1783.
unidentified
My father was a Highlander, and so am I.
jordan holmes
I had to kill him.
That could be only one.
dan friesen
I don't know exactly how we're doing it, but I guess we're just pretending that never happened.
And we're here on Saturday.
Alex is doing a broadcast on Saturday the 7th, and then his show on Sunday the 8th.
And yeah, we'll see.
We'll see what's going on.
All right.
He's a weird dude.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
But before we get down to business on that, let's take a moment to say thank you.
Some folks who've signed up in our sporting show.
So, first, Nonx Revenge.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Nox Revenge.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Bert G. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Bert.
dan friesen
Thank you, Bert.
Next, Jared M. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Jared.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Stu Engerer.
Engerer.
Engerer.
Stu Engerer.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Stu.
dan friesen
Next, Philbin.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Phil Ben.
dan friesen
Thank you, Phil Ben.
And then finally, I'd like to give a shout out to a couple folks who donated on elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So, first of all, HB, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
Fernando F., thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And don't go into the forest.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey mate, that's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We got to go full-tailed buggy on this, Watson.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare info war on you.
dan friesen
Thanks so much, HB.
Thank you so much, Fernando.
And thank you so much.
Don't go into the forest.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much, all of you.
dan friesen
I would like to, first of all, encourage anybody to have a donor name that is an ominous warning.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
I enjoy that.
jordan holmes
Witch forest.
That's an issue.
dan friesen
And if you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoy this show.
I'd like to support these gents, too.
You can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
jordan holmes
We would appreciate it.
We would love it, but do not go to Schwartzfunt.
That's the Black Forest.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
What else could people do?
jordan holmes
Well, you know what, Dan?
Some people could absolutely be filled with that generous spirit and want to give or donate to someone, but then realize that they would have to wait a week to deal with that.
And you just can't wait a week because the generous spirit is so strong within you.
Find a way to get that money out now, Dan.
dan friesen
Do a local charity or exactly.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Nailed it.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Dan.
dan friesen
I was worried it was going to end in Yigdrasil or something.
jordan holmes
Yeagdrasil.
dan friesen
Some nonsense.
Not that that's nonsense, but whatever.
You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes
Sure, I get you.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, before we begin, here's an out-of-context drop from today's show.
alex jones
I mean, it's like when you watch Dancing with the Stars in the final episode or whatever, because I'm not a big TV guy, but I do like watching good-looking women, you know, dance.
And, you know, when it's cool to watch the guys and all of it, it's really cool.
It's cool to see celebrities dance.
I mean, it's fun.
dan friesen
Okay.
You don't need to justify why you watch a TV show.
jordan holmes
This is the problem with being on the far right.
You can't just enjoy what you enjoy.
You have to fight for it.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Look, I got tricked because Sean Spicer was on, and I watched it, and hey, some of the chicks were hot.
Whatever.
jordan holmes
Actually, I don't even like the dancing at all, the way that they pick a pirouette and the throws.
dan friesen
It seems unmanly for me to enjoy watching people dance.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Isn't that what he just said?
dan friesen
More or less.
jordan holmes
That's exactly what he just said.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's so sad.
jordan holmes
I'm insecure about watching dance.
dan friesen
Enjoy what you enjoy.
Anyway, here we go.
We're jumping in on the seventh Saturday.
Alex's day off.
He's in anyway, back from his trip to Phoenix, where he yelled into an adult-sized bullhorn.
And hey, man, if Biden's really president, which it looks like he is, Alex has bad news.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
alex jones
It is Saturday.
November 7th, the year is 2020.
And if we accept the false claims of Joe Biden and his communist Chinese deep state handlers that he is the president with the fraud we just witnessed, then you could really see this as a good date to put on the Republic's tombstone.
Born July 4th, 1776, died November 7th, 2020.
That's what this is.
dan friesen
Alex has called it Death of America, November 7th, 2020.
jordan holmes
As a millionaire, I can tell you that the tragedy of the Biden administration will be that they raised the marginal income tax on individuals making over $500,000 a year to above 35%, Dan.
And that is the end of the report.
dan friesen
What's that I hear?
I think that's the end of the report.
That's the church bells ringing for the funeral of America.
jordan holmes
That's it.
It's going to go back up to 44%.
Can you imagine how angry Two Chains is going to be then?
dan friesen
So, so mad.
jordan holmes
He's so mad.
dan friesen
In this next clip, we learn.
Look, this is the problem that I have.
He starts off the show talking about put this date on America's tombstone.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Then he says things like this.
alex jones
And we can talk all day about the failures of Trump and why this was able to happen.
We can talk about what Trump should have done better.
And we're going to do that so we don't make the mistakes next time.
dan friesen
What next time?
What the fuck next time?
According to Alex, there is no next time.
This isn't just a political party that you disagree with that now has control of the executive branch of the government.
This is the fucking devil taking over.
Without Trump there to stop them, the story is supposed to be that there's nothing to protect the Patriots from getting rounded up and the entire world being killed off with a super bioweapon, a false flag ice age, or maybe nukes, depending on what Alex is feeling back.
jordan holmes
Chicago's gone for sure.
dan friesen
It's downright insulting for Alex to have the nerve to act like a political commentator right now when his candidate has been projected to lose.
He has this tantrum about the death of the Republic being on November 7th and immediately gets into the mode you'd expect to see on regular outlets.
They're doing a post-mortem on the campaign.
Where were the flaws in the strategy?
Where is there room for improvements?
We can do better next time.
Let's talk midterms.
Normal people get to do that because they don't live in an artificial reality they use to abuse their audiences, where if their guy loses the election, pedophile demons will run the street and God's fire-filled judgment will be upon us.
Alex doesn't get to war game but the midterms.
He lost that right when he made the terms of this election supernatural.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I believe it was if Biden wins, they're going to switch to plan B and kill all of us immediately.
I don't think they're not even going to give us the three years.
dan friesen
That wasn't even conditional on the election.
That was just something Alex said they'd decide.
Oh, yeah, yeah, that's because Alex is too effective.
jordan holmes
He was in a bad mood.
Yeah, I gotcha.
dan friesen
Oh, the infowar is too strong, so they're going to just kill us off instead of the fun-ordered killing us off that they like to do because the devil loves plans.
jordan holmes
I don't even think that's.
unidentified
You know what?
jordan holmes
There's nothing to be ashamed about in losing to the devil.
You're supposed to lose to the devil.
The only person who wins against the devil is Jesus, man.
dan friesen
Well, and Johnny.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, Johnny.
dan friesen
He rosened up that bow and played his fiddle hard.
jordan holmes
I gotcha.
So we got two.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And Johnny was really a Christ metaphor.
jordan holmes
And honestly, it was more of a single-issue thing.
That wasn't a real, like, he wasn't trying to change the whole world.
dan friesen
Right.
It was really just about fiddle playing.
jordan holmes
It was mainly fiddling.
Yes.
The devil acts with honor in fiddle contracts.
dan friesen
Well, if you count like the other rip-off songs of The Devil Went Down to Georgia, then I think some other people might have beaten the devil too.
Because there's other versions.
jordan holmes
There was at least one juggler who went down to Georgia.
dan friesen
Our friend Marty DeRosa informed me of the song, like The Devil Went Down to Detroit.
I believe that's the name of it.
It's like a rap version.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And these guys have like a DJ contest with the devil.
I think they win.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Look, a lot of people may have fictitiously beat the devil.
jordan holmes
I'm sort of saying it.
There's no shame in that.
You're not supposed to beat the devil.
Why are you beating yourself up over this?
dan friesen
I don't know if he's beating himself up, but that's fair.
I want to stress one of the compelling reasons not to respect Alex Jones.
He is an intellectual coward.
He can't stand to be wrong to such a ridiculous extent that he set up this election as a battle between good and evil, which evil could not possibly win.
And even if they did, could secretly actually won because evil cheated in a way that's never going to be proven.
Now that the supposedly evil side has won, Alex won't even stick to his own parameters and act like the literal devil just beat his hero.
Alex doesn't even have the integrity to present for a minute that any of the stuff he was screaming about and fake crying about on air means anything because it's time to move on and learn the lessons of the last election and apply them to whatever white supremacist he supports next time because they insist they're just a nationalist.
He's a child.
This, more than many other moments, is a very clear and unmistakable instance of retreat.
Get the fuck out of here without learning lessons for next time shit.
You don't get to do that.
jordan holmes
Nope, nope.
Other people get to do that.
dan friesen
I resent that.
jordan holmes
Honestly, there are very few situations where I don't think now that many of these people are private citizens, we should spit on them every single time they go outside.
Like, there's no way Alex should not be spit on regularly.
There's no way that, like, fucking, if Trump walks down fucking a street in Manhattan, he should be spit on by thousands of people on a constant daily basis.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that you could make an argument that spitting is a form of assault, and maybe I'm not into that.
jordan holmes
Fair.
dan friesen
Yelling is better.
I'll go with you as far as yelling.
jordan holmes
You'll go with me as far as tiny bullhorning.
All right, okay.
dan friesen
Tiny bullhorning.
jordan holmes
Tiny bullhorning.
dan friesen
Anytime Alex leaves his house, people are.
jordan holmes
He should be surrounded with tiny bullhorners.
I think you're right.
Yes.
dan friesen
The spitting on people, I think, is a little bit gross.
jordan holmes
Well, now it's definitely in the age of COVID.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You know, you don't want to sort of express support for that kind of behavior.
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Keep him away from him.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yelling with a tiny bullhorn through your mask.
unidentified
I like it.
dan friesen
That's perfectly safe.
Yeah, I think that's good.
jordan holmes
I think that's good.
dan friesen
That's the middle ground.
jordan holmes
What I'm saying is these people should be hounded to the ends of the earth.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah.
Bark at people through bullhorns.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I like it.
dan friesen
So Alex has a concern that a lot of his, you know, everyone's getting censored.
Everyone's getting kicked off.
All the Patriots are being taken off all social media platforms.
alex jones
And you see the mass censorship now, as we predicted, almost total censorship.
No media that I saw carrying Giuliani's press conference.
Thank God there's right side broadcasting.
Thank God there's InfoWars picking it back up.
Thank God you're out there amplifying it.
But this is a serious war.
dan friesen
So yeah, man, everyone's getting taken down, except for people like Infowars and right-side broadcasting that'll stand up and cover Rudy Giuliani's wonderful press conference.
jordan holmes
Somebody's got to.
dan friesen
I would suspect that most media outlets, if they didn't, they didn't cover Rudy Giuliani's press conference out of respect for him, since that shit was super embarrassing.
Also, it wasn't censored.
People were making fun of it all over the place.
This was, of course, the Four Seasons press conference.
As best as anyone can tell, someone in the campaign may have thought that they booked the Four Seasons Hotel conference room for the presser, but had actually set up an event in front of a small landscaping company called Four Seasons Total Landscaping.
I have no idea what actually happened here, if they intended it to be there or if someone screwed up, but it was pretty hilarious.
Giuliani gave a rambling nonsense speech right at the moment when the networks called the race for Biden.
It was a total mess.
jordan holmes
Brutal.
dan friesen
Also, during the event, one of Giuliani's guests was an alleged poll watcher named Daryl Brooks, who turned out to also have been, quote, incarcerated in the 1990s on charges of sexual assault, lewdness, and endangering the welfare of a minor by exposing himself to two girls ages seven and 11.
jordan holmes
It's a false flag, Democrat, if I ever heard one.
dan friesen
Well, according to an article in The Cut, quote, Brooks denied the charges and said his arrest was a police setup.
Oh, so claims of the fight.
jordan holmes
So it's a double false flag.
dan friesen
Perhaps.
jordan holmes
He was false flagged into becoming the false flag.
That's what happened.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it must be.
dan friesen
Anyway, because this guy is somebody who's identifiable, it makes things a little bit more confusing for the claims that were being made at this press conference.
Apparently, it was being alleged that Brooks was a poll watcher in Philadelphia and not being allowed in to check the roles and everything.
But he lives in New Jersey.
And it's not like he's a low-profile New Jersey resident.
An article in Politico quoted Reed Guscoria, the mayor of Trenton, New Jersey, as describing Brooks as, quote, New Jersey's perennial candidate because Brooks had run for many different offices in New Jersey, including the Senate and House.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
The state of Pennsylvania requires poll watchers to be registered voters in the counties they wish to poll watch.
So he couldn't have actually been in a position to actually make the claims that he was making.
This whole thing was a disaster for Giuliani from the strange location to the almost comically bad timing to the poll watcher alleged who he had as a witness who couldn't possibly be a poll watcher, but is actually a convicted child abuser.
If anything, I would expect Alex to want less coverage of this.
Everything is bad.
Every element of that press conference was bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, but that's a perfect example of how we are held hostage by their unreality.
That should be a criminal offense.
All the stuff that happened at that presser, I know they're not illegal, but if you do that, you should be like, you can't be near other people.
You're going to get someone hurt.
dan friesen
We need crews of people with tiny bullhorns on the ramp.
jordan holmes
That's what Arkham Asylum is for.
People who accidentally schedule press conferences in front of the four seasons fucking landscape.
Yeah, exactly.
That's Arkham.
It's not a crime.
It's something that people need to be kept there.
dan friesen
Imagine.
You got the Joker.
You got Killer Croc.
You got Rudy Giuliani.
Why are you here?
I set up a weird press conference.
jordan holmes
They would all be like, yeah, no, you're the only one we're not letting escape.
You're too gone for us.
dan friesen
Whenever the Riddler comes and lets everyone out, he leaves Rudy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
At least we get the place we're going to heist right.
Okay, Batman doesn't beat us there because we got to the wrong place, okay?
dan friesen
They're like, oh, no, no, no, Rudy.
You got to stay here to give a message to the bats for us.
jordan holmes
Outside of Arkham Asylum.
Yeah.
dan friesen
God.
jordan holmes
What an asshole.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
So Alex gets to talking about the China.
He has this interesting idea that isn't based in really anything.
I got really lost in thought after listening to this clip because I think it's really a really good example of why it's really frustrating to take things that Alex says at all seriously.
alex jones
So instead of making China a capitalist country at the end of World War II, criminal elements of the Rockefeller combine, Dave Rockefeller wrote a book about this and wrote two articles in the New York Times.
Always go back to this because this is key.
This is the real world.
And sent George Herbert Walker Bush in there with James Baker and the rest of them to make a deal with the communist Chinese after they'd spent 25 years enslaving and killing 80 million of their people and getting them to behave.
And after they'd follow every directive of one-child policies and horrible things that the Rockefellers told them to do.
They said, yeah, kill about 80 million of your people and one-child policy and we'll make you the global superpower of economics, but you're not allowed to have a big military.
And of course, wink-wink, their globalists, they were building a big military the whole time.
And that's why he saw the pivot under Obama was because China wasn't following its agreement to not be expansionist.
They were given all the rarest minerals and all the economic power, and they were allowed to economically expand, but America would economically close, but then would have military dominance still.
That's how you divide power.
That's the rollerball allegory.
That's really how globalism works.
The original movie with James Kahn, 1972, or whatever it is, is dead on.
dan friesen
Yeah, of course.
It's always a movie movie.
It's always a fucking movie.
And that's why, like, it's so frustrating to listen to him.
Like, it starts with, you know, that clip there.
It starts with him saying something really absurd, like that a decision was made by people like the Rockefellers to have China not be capitalist at the end of World War II.
And that kind of thing gets me kind of interested.
Well, at least it would have earlier on doing this show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You know, that's a laughable and nonsensical claim.
You know that, even without doing any research.
Like, what does that even mean?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I would ask Alex to explain what mechanisms were used by the Rockefellers to keep China from being a capitalist country.
If I were to do this, because of doing this show, I know that Alex would just point to John Birch Society talking points about how the U.S. didn't do enough to help Shang Kai-shek in the Chinese Civil War, which is the claim that's then exaggerated into the Rockefellers-installed Mao.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Still, I like this absurd claim.
It's stupid, but probably sounds smart to his audience, and I can kind of appreciate that.
It's kind of the sort of thing that I dig my teeth into.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
He claims that David Rockefeller wrote a book and two articles in the Times about this whole China stuff, and that's just not true.
The op-eds Rockefeller wrote don't look great with the hindsight of history on our side, but they're nothing like Alex is claiming them to be.
He also wrote a book called Memoirs, which is an autobiography, but if that admission is in there, it'd be really simple for Alex to produce it, which weirdly, he never does.
Then everything falls apart with the rambling about the imaginary deal where China gets to have the economy and the U.S. gets to have the military, which incidentally is something similar to like something Alex might be cribbing from a piece of dystopian sci-fi from the time when he was a child.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Which seems to be a pattern.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does seem like that is often the case.
Yeah.
dan friesen
The original movie Rollerball.
jordan holmes
What's your favorite X-File, Dan?
dan friesen
Logan?
Yep.
The original movie Rollerball was based on a short story called Rollerball Murder by William Neal Harrison, published in Esquire in September 1973.
It's a little bit different than what the movie ended up being, as it's far more a statement about the rising brutality in public's taste and entertainment.
There are also similarities to the movie version, though.
Like, it's kind of clunky and not super great.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
The short story itself is a lot of mention of various women's shapeliness.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I mean, James Kahn was great in the movie.
dan friesen
Sure.
I read something that James Codd was talking about.
He's like, man, love doing those rollerball scenes, but then I had to go act.
jordan holmes
All right.
That was about his process for Thief, too, I think.
Loved those rollerball scenes.
dan friesen
In the short story, it's not so much like different countries do different things, it's that within the United States, different corporations run six different concerns of life.
Energy, transport, food, housing, services, and luxury.
Each is a super powerful corporation, and the main character, Jonathan E, plays for the rollerball team run by Energy Company, based in Houston.
The actual story is about a guy who's the best rollerball player in the world, struggling with his sense of self, finding himself unsatisfied while living a life filled with money, power, sex, and celebrity.
The brutality of the sport has been increasing, with new rules being added to satisfy the public's lust for violence.
Gradually, things get more violent, with rules added to penalize players who aren't trying hard enough by having their helmets confiscated.
This all culminates in the All-Star game at the end of the season, where there's a new rule that's added where there's no time limit for the game, essentially making a gladiatorial contest where pretty much everyone is guaranteed to die.
Jonathan wants something more out of his life, but he doesn't know what.
But as the All-Star game gets closer, his only request is that he be able to see his estranged wife again.
She comes to him and they fuck for a few days, and then they remember their shared love that they had.
Jonathan had convinced himself that in the past she'd been taken from him by the evil corporation, but he realizes that wasn't the case.
Quote, it would be nice, I think, once to imagine that she was taken away from me by some malevolent force in this awful age, but I know the truth of that.
She went away simply because I wasn't enough back then, because those were the days when I yearned before I yearned for anything, when I was beginning to live to play the game.
But no matter.
For a few days, she sits on my bed and I touch her skin like a blind man.
It's implied that they both realize they can't go back to their younger lives, even if there is love between them, and Jonathan knows that he has to play the all-star game, even if it means almost certain death.
The story concludes: quote, Before the game begins, I stand with my team as a corporation him plays.
I'm brute speed today, I tell myself, trying to rev myself up, yet, a dream in my thoughts.
I'm a bit unconvinced.
A chorus of voices joins the band now as the music swells.
The game, the game, all glory to it, the music rings, and I can feel my lips move with the words singing.
William Harrison fleshed out the story into a screenplay that no longer really resembles the point of this original work.
There's some parts of it that are still carried over, and it actually directly contradicts it at certain points.
The director of the movie has explained why they made the movie, telling The Guardian, quote, I thought that violence for the entertainment of the masses was an obscene idea.
This is what I saw coming, and that's why I made the film.
The original and the movie are both commentaries on the idea of brutality as entertainment, but in order to make the movie out of a 10-page story, they needed to add a whole plot about the corporations fearing that Jonathan was becoming too much of an individual in the corporate world built on conformity.
jordan holmes
Sure, Logan's run just come out recently.
dan friesen
The game and the people's reaction to it, as well as the violence depicted in the movie itself and the people's reaction to that, were the point of the movie Rollerball.
If it has any artistic merit, it's that attempt for a statement.
The dystopian sci-fi future backdrop, they're absolutely unnotable, and they only really exist as a way of justifying why the game exists.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't know how to wrestle with or analyze works of art.
He refuses to understand subtext or deeper meaning, so it honestly makes perfect sense that he'd think that all this dystopian fiction from his youth is secretly about the communist conspiracy that no one will admit is right in front of their face.
Here's an example: there is a phenomenon you could point to, which is that a lot of movies, particularly dystopian action movies, seem to exist in a world ruled by rigid authoritarians who have molded society into a state of uniformity.
You could point this out and provide a number of examples.
And that's fair.
Alex might see this phenomenon and argue that this is because the globalists are using predictive programming to tell the world about what they're going to do to them.
There's a cosmic contract law clause that states that these evildoers can't carry out their evil deeds unless we all consent to them.
So they put this stuff in movies to get us to accept it.
That is the theory for why there's such a consistent feature like this in this genre.
I would argue that it's because the setting of a rigid uniform world is one where it's incredibly easy to differentiate a hero character from the rest of the world.
Even an anti-hero or a flawed person can easily be cheered for when they're the only person who has any modicum of individuality in a sea full of facelessness.
Putting your character and their story into that setting is kind of a genre-based shortcut for plots where the tension is about individualism versus conformity.
Engaging with text and art with even just a baseline of critical ability allows you to see authorial intent and understand the more complicated things that are being said by artistic works, and it brings a richness to your life.
It's a critically important exercise now more than ever.
And honestly, it's one of the things that I find most fascinating about Alex.
I do believe that most of the stuff he says is embellishment or lies or things he doesn't actually believe or kind of believes.
But his inability to grasp the point of literature and movies is something so consistent in his career that I find it difficult to accept that it's not a genuine feature of his brain.
So yeah, it's annoying to do this show because I end up thinking about Rollerball.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that'll happen.
dan friesen
And thinking about like, huh, there was an attempted statement that they were making there and the sort of the corporations and shit in the movie and all that is really just to make it so you're watching this movie and you're like, oh yeah, that's why that exists.
That's why that brutal game exists that would never exist in our world.
The commentary is about people's taste for sport and entertainment becoming more and more violent.
And the logical extension of that is a game where everyone's killing each other.
Sure, sure.
Everyone's like, ah, that itself could not exist in our reality.
So the commentary couldn't be made by plugging it into the present day because there'd be too many things like, hey, why isn't everyone getting sued for this?
This would never fly.
So you plug it into this dystopian authoritarian world in the future.
And then you're like, oh, yeah, it makes sense.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it makes it so much easier to cheer on your hero, Jonathan M., even if he's not a great person.
jordan holmes
I wonder what it would have been like if Alex, instead of being into hard sci-fi and watching Rollerball at that age, he had instead watched like they shoot horses, don't they?
Watching everybody in that fucking exploitative, destructive dance contest, realizing that the real dystopia is where we live now.
dan friesen
I just, I just, I don't know.
I do wish that he was better at reading.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would be nice.
I wish a lot of people were better.
I wish almost everyone was better at reading.
It's a difficult skill.
It seems like it should be easy considering we talk to each other.
But then you think about it and you realize most people don't even talk to each other, honestly.
It's really hard to understand what people are saying because their brains don't speak the words that their brains think.
It's very strange.
dan friesen
One of the more interesting things...
jordan holmes
I feel like an alien right now.
These human beings, they act so strange.
They're so weird.
Yeah.
dan friesen
One of the more interesting things I found while I was looking at, you know, reading about Rollerball was that the writer, William Harrison, he was like, I want more violence in this movie.
Of course.
But not because he wants the movie to be super violent.
He wants to make the point that the violence is supposed to be repulsive.
jordan holmes
So brutal that when you watch it, you go.
dan friesen
You're disgusted by it.
jordan holmes
And then when people watched Rollerball, they were like, man, Rollerball is cool.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And then the director of it was talking about how most of the European audiences that we've talked to understand that it's supposed to be that this is disgusting.
And most American audiences are like, we should start a rollerball league.
jordan holmes
Like, frankly, what's CTE?
What's the difference between CTE and rollerball?
We might as well get rollerball while we're at it.
Anyways, Vince McMahon, get the XFL the fuck out of here.
Get the RFL right in here, man.
That's what I'm talking about.
dan friesen
So anyway, that sort of off sidetrack about rollerball off to the way.
We get to more complaints about China.
alex jones
But we live under this, and it's all been one-sided.
It's not about Kumbaya and one world living together and all this great stuff.
Communist China was allowed to buy up our debt, buy up Hollywood, buy up our whole infrastructure.
dan friesen
So I've been thinking about this for a while, and I think that this is one of the newer formulations of like the Jews run all the banks.
You know, that kind of bigoted conspiracy theory.
I think that the Chinese own all our debt is sort of a new one of those.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
It's one that a lot of people, if they don't do any research, kind of passively accept because it sounds like something they've heard someone say before.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And it's like, oh, yeah, why wouldn't they?
jordan holmes
They bought up all our debt is such an intimidating thing where you're like, why would you buy debt?
I'll believe you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But it's just complete bullshit.
According to MarketWatch, the U.S. government itself owns 27% of the U.S. debt, with U.S. investors owning a further 32.5%.
The Federal Reserve owns 11.2%, which is just a slightly more complicated form of the government owning it.
So all that added up is 70.9% of the U.S. national debt that's owned essentially by U.S. interest.
Compared to that, the amount owned by China is not that much.
As of 2018, they held about 5.6% of our national debt in the form of treasury bonds, but Japan also had 4.9%.
And I don't hear Alex yelling about the dreaded Japanese threat.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, they make our Sony stuff.
dan friesen
These countries have bought these bonds because, generally speaking, they're considered good investments, since most world currency is tied to the dollar.
Also, in 2020, Japan overtook China as the largest foreign investor in our debt.
So the dynamic that Alex is describing is even more wrong.
jordan holmes
Ah, but what you're getting wrong there is China owns 99% of Japan's debt.
So they secretly own all of the other 4.4%.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the people, they want to spread this fear.
And what it's based on is the idea that China owns our debt.
And what they can do is they can call in that debt, like you repay your debt whenever they want.
jordan holmes
Like a landlord who's giving you a slide.
dan friesen
Exactly.
And this is just another anti-communist conspiracy talking point that's based on more or less nothing.
Alex wants to create that image because it means that China rules us.
They can say the word and destroy our economy at any second.
They don't own enough of our debt to really matter that much in that term.
And also investing in our debt doesn't work like that.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Our national debt is a super complicated thing.
And it isn't the same as your personal debt that you might have if you're like laid on a gas bill.
There are too many real-world factors to make it sensible to discuss as a one-factor thing, like bigger number debt equals worse or whatever.
But that's basically what Alex is doing.
And then adding on a layer of conspiracy China baiting for fun.
China didn't buy up all our debt.
They don't own Hollywood and they didn't buy all our infrastructure.
These are all just talking points Alex repeats over and over again until his audience accepts them as being fact when it's all just kind of warmed over Bircher nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's very interesting to me that like one of the ways that the conservative propagandists get normal people to believe they're bullshit is because they try and make it that micro level of like, you have debt.
If someone calls in that debt, that'll fuck up your day.
Right.
Same thing is true for the United States.
But what they don't realize is that when you get to the United States, money's imaginary.
If they called in our debt, what happens?
We print more and then inflation goes up and their money's worth less.
dan friesen
Right.
You know, like it's stupid.
There is a serious incentive for them not to do this based on their own economy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's all imaginary.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
America can print more money and that's fine.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're just inflation goes up and all other kinds of bullshit happens.
dan friesen
There's a hundred different after effects of that.
unidentified
That yeah, there's yeah, there's it's all magic.
jordan holmes
It's all magic.
dan friesen
But even that being understood, what Alex is saying is just dumb.
Totally.
But it sounds compelling in the same way that you have debt, and if somebody calls it in, it'll fuck your day up.
jordan holmes
It's very simple to like get across.
dan friesen
So I want to ask you a question here, Jordan.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I think that you've done, you know, we've been at this for a while.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
You understand Alex pretty well.
In this next clip, Alex discusses what his greatest sadness is.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Do you think that you could guess what his greatest sadness is?
jordan holmes
The just unending swath of dead dogs in his wake.
I would assume that that guilt would weigh heavily upon him.
dan friesen
I don't know if he feels that bad about it.
jordan holmes
Just an astonishing person.
dan friesen
Most of the time when he talks about it, it seems like those dogs have it coming.
jordan holmes
It's wistful, yeah, according to him.
dan friesen
No, you're incorrect.
alex jones
Okay.
Here's my greatest sadness: the average person that's a leftist buys into the system.
They go and they get one degree and they can't get a job.
They get two degrees, they can't get a job.
They get three degrees, they can't get a job.
Or they get some little government or bureaucracy job and they tell them, once we overthrow America and create a socialist utopia, you're all going to be in charge and have mansions.
And they believe this.
They're never going to be brought into the power structure.
They're absolute jokes.
And they're vicious and they're hateful.
dan friesen
So Alex's greatest sadness is overeducated liberals and leftists who can't find jobs.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
So the socialist utopia is a capitalist utopia where we switch who lives in mansions.
Is that what he thinks is going on?
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
He would assume so, right?
He doesn't understand socialism at all.
dan friesen
In this next clip, Alex has recognized that there are some people showing up, maybe at state capitals and being like, false flaggers.
No, I mean, they're the real deal.
They're good patriots.
jordan holmes
Oh, I wouldn't admit that right now.
dan friesen
They're good patriots just going down there to say, hey, what's going on?
jordan holmes
I wouldn't admit that preemptively.
dan friesen
Votes, you know, and stuff.
Sure.
And because of this, there's also a lot of people who are showing up at the White House.
And Alex thinks that, you know, there's a few people now, but soon there will be millions.
Okay.
alex jones
It's so obvious.
By the weekend, they'll announce by the winner, they're going to pick a Saturday so people aren't at work.
And so they can all use social media to say, let's put a million people around the White House.
It won't be a million today.
It'll be 100,000 today.
jordan holmes
Today?
alex jones
Won't be a million today.
It'll be 100,000.
But by the time Trump isn't leaving in a week or two, there'll be a million, two million, and they will tear those barricades up and storm the White House.
That's been the plan.
The Democrats said that's their plan.
And hey, the globalists have never gotten in trouble for anything they've done.
So why wouldn't they do that?
Because they're never held accountable.
dan friesen
I mean, if Trump directly is like, I don't respect the results of an election, you know, and is like, I'm not leaving.
I wouldn't be surprised if tons of people.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know how to quantify numbers, but I mean, a million people showing up outside the White House doesn't seem impossible to me.
No, no, no, no.
I think that's a pretty, you know, that might happen if a leader refuses to step down.
I could see it.
jordan holmes
At a certain point, I think we could go real high.
We could go real high there.
Not good.
Not good.
Definitely not good.
dan friesen
There were tense standoffs outside the White House a couple months ago over the George Floyd protests and what have you.
I don't know if people would storm the White House, but people would be shaking fences.
jordan holmes
You think we're going to get a moat around the White House soon?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
You want to go with a moat?
dan friesen
I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
You don't know?
I think a moat's coming.
And I think I'm fine with that.
Let them have the house.
Let them have the house.
Let them live there.
Lock them in there.
Give them a moat.
Put alligators on there.
dan friesen
I was just thinking about if they do a moat, I have the solution.
unidentified
Tons of jello.
dan friesen
A bunch of jello powder in there.
unidentified
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Make a jello moat.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That is true.
The moat system may be outdated in terms of defensive effectiveness.
dan friesen
Yeah, back in medieval times, they didn't have jello.
didn't have jello uh so anyway uh there's a situation here where alex is i just really can't stand this waffly back and forth nonsense of the fucking devil is coming Oh, hey, let's learn lessons for next time.
jordan holmes
Hey, come on.
dan friesen
Or this.
Apparently, you know, hey, maybe, maybe, maybe everything will be all right.
alex jones
I'm going to air some clips, and then I'm going to get refocused and come back and go through the election fraud, go through other key points of who's behind the machines, how there is a very narrow way out of this.
A very narrow way out of this.
And then I'm going to explain that there is another path.
And that path actually is more destructive and very horrible, but will actually hasten the destruction of the global order and the destruction of the new world order.
And they have stepped into it.
Now, I have no desire to go down this path, but I will go down it if they take us there.
And don't worry, you're going to go down that path too.
Because there's no getting out of this now.
Everyone is going to see world government manifest.
You're going to see everything I've told you come true.
Everything.
dan friesen
Everything.
So that's violence.
That's street violence.
That's murder of your neighbors and war and stuff.
That's the other path.
But there's a narrow path, which is Trump seizing power, basically.
You could kind of get the sense that, like, okay, now the conversation has become Trump has got to become king or else we're all fucking shooting.
Yeah, totally.
And that's not encouraging.
No, I would say.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
For sort of a baseline.
So you're like, yeah, this is just, this is where we're at.
I don't know if I enjoy that.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, right now, I enjoyed the election results coming in.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And Biden winning outright.
That's good stuff.
But the amount of overconfidence and gloating that's going on before Trump has entirely left the White House is a little nerve-wracking for me.
I don't like it when people who I've seen gloat before and have all of our lives destroyed because of it gloat again.
I don't like it.
I don't like seeing it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I think because it's kind of on tested territory, we really don't know how much of the stuff that goes on between an election and an inauguration is norms.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're going to turn out to find it's going to be a lot.
It's going to be a lot of norms.
dan friesen
It very well may be.
jordan holmes
It's going to be a lot of norms that are no longer on the cheers.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex has very few friends left in the media.
Or, I mean, not friends, just people he even just doesn't hate now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
One of them, Lou Dobbs.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
He likes Lou Dobbs.
All right.
alex jones
First, I want to play a very important clip.
Sidney Powell with Lou Dobbs discusses Hammer and Scott Card.
And this is very, very important.
It's a good place to start.
So we're going to play this clip, and we'll be right back.
dan friesen
So the long and short of this is that there's a conspiracy going around that there's a super secret overpowered computer called Hammer that can run a program called Scorecard, which was used to manipulate and change the results of this election.
This desperate and absurd conspiracy is being sold by people like guests on Steve Bannon's show, Mike Flynn's attorney Sidney Powell, and Lou Dobbs.
These are high-profile people in right-wing spheres.
This just isn't like some fringe, completely online nonsense.
So I was wondering, where did this come from?
Luckily, I did not have to look too far.
Will Summer over at the Daily Beast had already put together a great piece about how all the claims about this supercomputer and the program come from a single source, and it's someone who I have a special bond with.
This all comes from Dennis Montgomery.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
alex jones
Yep.
jordan holmes
God fucking damn it.
dan friesen
I was amazed.
jordan holmes
How has Dennis Montgomery found a way to claw back into reality?
dan friesen
I was amazed to see his name come up again.
jordan holmes
Motherfucker.
dan friesen
It would take far too long to get into this right now, but back in March 2017, on the 25th episode of our podcast, we dedicated two and a half hours to Dennis Montgomery and his various frauds.
So if anyone's interested in why you don't need to take anything that traces back to him seriously, go ahead and check that episode out.
jordan holmes
My God.
dan friesen
Also, Will's article on it is a really good breakdown, too.
unidentified
I believe it.
dan friesen
This is how these dicks work.
Supposedly respectable outlets on the right are so desperate for a big, overarching explanation for how they were screwed in the election that they're willing to amplify and give credibility to claims being made by a career con man whose lawyer is Larry fucking Klayman.
jordan holmes
You can't do it.
How is it that even in this world, people don't just like, oh, it's Larry Klayman?
Get the fuck out of here.
Like, Larry Klayman's.
Larry Klayman's coming for you eventually.
Like, it doesn't matter what, if you're on the hard right, it doesn't matter sooner or later.
Larry Klayman's going to sue you.
dan friesen
Hey, sued Alex.
jordan holmes
He sued everyone.
dan friesen
Suede Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
Don't listen to him now.
No.
dan friesen
You don't even need to worry about the lawsuits.
Just look at him.
Look at the things he's done.
Look at the track record and be like, yeah, pass.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Don't care.
You could have the biggest scoop in the world, and I'm going to take the hit if you're right this time.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
I'm going to just bite the bullet and say I don't trust anything you say.
And if that bites me in the ass, I still did the right thing.
jordan holmes
The idea that you might like see a James O'Keefe video pop up and just be like, well, maybe he got it right this time.
No, no.
dan friesen
No.
That's bad thinking.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex, like I said, he's kind of interested in these ideas about millions of people showing up at the White House.
Sure.
But also, he doesn't like that the media is downplaying the number of people that are coming to Owen Schroer's rally in Austin.
He's very preoccupied and spends a lot of time talking about crowd sizes in Austin.
jordan holmes
Owen, get out of studio for a while.
alex jones
Notice that there are thousands of people at rallies in all 50 capitals around the United States.
I was down there just a few hours ago at the Texas Capitol.
DPS estimated there were about 2,000 people.
Thousands more are showing up right in front of the south side of the Texas Capitol.
And again, I sent some photos to you guys.
It's actually on Savannah Hernandez's Twitter from a building above that actually shows the big giant crowd.
Hell, I'll just pull up on my phone.
But the local news, You will notice is not showing it because the local news does not want you to know what is unfolding and what is happening.
And that's how they operate.
Yeah, in fact, let's not even show it if we're not going to show the above shots because I don't want to just look at my big fat ugly head up there and talk about how there's thousands of people.
I'm not going to show the overhead shot.
Like, I'm going to go to rebroadcast LaFontaine.
It's not the crew.
I just have to have this.
I just have to have it, or I can't do the show.
Okay.
And then I'm going to read to you the breakdown from the president, a new statement that has come out.
And then I'm going to go through everything else that is here.
But right now, let's go ahead and play Ally Alexander at the Capitol.
And then I want to show the Project Veritas.
There it is.
Look at that.
And I'm not throwing a fit.
I just want people to see that.
dan friesen
I needed to see this picture.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I'm not throwing a fit.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm not throwing a fit.
dan friesen
He doesn't actually go to rebroadcast, though.
I mean, whoever he's, whatever intern he's hired, was able to pull that up.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's nice before the pot bubbles.
Before it got too bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
But he does spend a lot more time than this, even on just like the crowd size pictures.
And it's like, boy, this is exactly the same as after the 2016 election.
It's just like a sort of funhouse mirror version of, oh, we did the election.
We talked about fraud.
We talked about complaining about different claims about crowd sizes.
It's just that this guy lost this time.
It's almost exactly the same.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So almost beat for beat, just with a different angle.
jordan holmes
I just, I just can't believe that they're going to accept this.
Like, it's not going to.
Every other year during an election season, Alex is going to scream about how it's the devil.
And then every other year, he's going to be like, well, I know we lost, but we got to path through this.
And it's never going to stop.
They will always be convinced that it's the devil.
And they will always be convinced that it's fine that the devil won this time.
Well, if it's so infuriated.
dan friesen
Yeah, if things can keep going, it does seem like that would be just how things will go.
jordan holmes
That's just how it operates.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And then just come up with fun, interesting stuff to say about whatever headlines he didn't read the articles of and keep going.
jordan holmes
How disappointing would you think God is that they're like, we only fight against the devil in an election year?
Come on, man.
dan friesen
And we fight against the devil's assistant during the midterms.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
The devil takes the midterms off.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what are you?
You've got to delegate responsibility sooner or later.
Otherwise, you burn yourself out.
And if you're the devil, hey, you're a really high risk of burning.
Exactly.
dan friesen
So Alex is preoccupied with these crowd pictures, and I could not find myself giving a shit.
No.
And I ended up turning off this episode, this Saturday episode, because it was so boring.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It is so much just like over and over again, rambling, repetitious.
The election was stolen.
But it also was really uninspired.
Like, here's a little clip that just sort of sums up kind of how I feel it went.
alex jones
They just stole this bigger than Dallas right out in the open.
You know, you think about stealing something.
You're kind of like a cat burglar going in to get the jewels.
There was no cat burglaring going on here, ladies and gentlemen.
This was done out in the open.
dan friesen
There's a feeling of resignation almost to the fact they're like, ah, they stole it.
We've proven it.
jordan holmes
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
And I don't understand that.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
I mean, I understand it if you don't actually believe any of it.
dan friesen
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
I understand that.
But that's a weird space to perform in.
jordan holmes
Especially if you've made your last entire year and a half a referendum on whether or not the Tree of Liberty does need to be watered with the blood of tyrants from time to time.
And apparently, I guess not this year.
dan friesen
It's been abundantly clear what his position on that is.
jordan holmes
You would think that you don't go back from that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we have this situation where we're, you know, in this period after the election where it's the 79 days of hell and Biden is the president-elect, and Alex, you know, Trump hasn't conceded, and Alex doesn't know what he's, you know, I find it to be like one of the most important points for us to be like really tracking what are the moves, what are the things he does.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I found this Saturday to be just almost unlistenable.
It's just banging the gong over and over again.
Election was stolen.
jordan holmes
Treading water.
unidentified
But yeah, but treading water boringly.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so I needed to jump into Sunday and like get a sense of something.
And I really feel like Alex didn't do it for me at the beginning of the show.
alex jones
And I can tell you, as bad as it is, we're going to come through this stronger on the other side no matter what happens.
unidentified
True or not, the devil is killing us all.
alex jones
I'd wish that we could bypass what's coming.
I wish we could have gone around this.
Wish you could have had an easy landing and kept Trump.
There's still 20% chance of doing that.
There's about 100% chance of doing that if Trump takes dramatic action.
unidentified
So there's a 20% chance of him winning, I guess.
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
The election?
dan friesen
And then 100% chance of everything going cool if Trump seizes power.
jordan holmes
Right.
But that would be a 100% chance.
I don't know.
2020, I'd give it a 50-50 shot.
dan friesen
Well, no, no, no, because with the 100% chance is of Alex getting what he wants.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he still wouldn't.
But he would get what he wants in the form of Trump staying in power and Trump not, or Biden not being in office, were Trump to unilaterally declare himself a dictator.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that'd be great.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'd be stoked about that.
There's only 79 more days of hell, dude.
dan friesen
So when I do these shows, it requires a lot of thinking, a lot of preparation, a lot of sitting around thinking, like, what is he trying to say here?
You know, there's a lot of that.
And so I'm accustomed to stretches of intense mental exertion.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex, he is too.
alex jones
I brainstormed so hard this morning from about 6 a.m. to about 12 noon when I got to the office that I got completely exhausted about an hour and a half ago and had to go take a nap.
dan friesen
Okay.
All right.
Thinking is hard.
That's fair.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
unidentified
I told everybody to kill everybody, but now I think that's a bad idea.
jordan holmes
So what's my next move?
dan friesen
Power nap.
jordan holmes
Power nap.
Seize power nap.
All right.
I know what to talk about today.
dan friesen
You know, I think this is a new thread that I hope will go on throughout the podcast: Alex reverting to Dream Space for his to find the answers.
Alex becoming sort of like the shaman of the right-wing extremist world.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's going to hire a Daniel who's going to interpret his dreams for him, and then we've got this all.
dan friesen
That's Rob Dew.
That's why he's still around.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
Owen's not going to do shit.
dan friesen
So Alex gives a little tells a little story about his family's breakfast time this morning that I found kind of disturbing.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
Well, this morning I talked to my oldest daughter and my wife at breakfast while my three-year-old daughter played toy cars and blocks on the floor, and I prepared them both for what was happening.
My wife and my oldest daughter finished my sentences before I could even complete them.
And they looked at me and they said, we know you're right.
We're ready and we understand.
And it was a very good feeling, a feeling of strength.
Because they weren't repeating things that had been drilled into their head.
I'd never really pushed these things on them, but they'd been listening and they'd been shocking to tell you the truth.
My oldest daughter, Charlotte, looked at me and she said, Dad, you're almost always right.
A little tear came out of her eye.
And that meant so much to me when I gave him this speech at the breakfast table at 8 a.m. this morning.
And I laid out the future.
I told them we tried to stop what was coming.
I told them what was coming next, and they understood.
dan friesen
You just imagine sitting around with some granola.
Alex stands up and he's like, this breakfast, I must tell you the future.
jordan holmes
This is a dinner conversation for sure.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
This is a family meeting.
dan friesen
These kids are too young for coffee.
You can't handle Alex Jones predicting the future without a little caffeine in you.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's not fair.
jordan holmes
Let them get through the morning.
I'm not going to deal with the apocalypse in the morning.
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
I don't know why, but that mental image to me is like in the real world, disturbing.
In a movie, hilarious.
jordan holmes
It's so funny.
dan friesen
So funny.
jordan holmes
Man.
And the worst part is, here's the worst part for me.
The kids don't know something that's fundamentally true that would change everything about their outlook on life.
dan friesen
Their dad is Alex Jones?
jordan holmes
No.
They're going to be fine.
They're going to continue to be rich.
They're going to continue to be taken care of.
They're going to continue doing everything with no changes at all.
Well, none.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, I guess I would say they're going to be fine in many material ways.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
They're not going to be fine emotionally.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
That's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
If he just sat him down and been like, listen, I am always lying.
We're going to be fine.
Don't worry.
Why are you crying?
There's no need to cry.
We're rich as shit.
We don't actually cry.
dan friesen
Well, the tear in her eye and saying you're almost always right doesn't sound like something that someone else says.
That sounds like Alex writing dialogue for imaginary characters.
jordan holmes
It does seem like that.
dan friesen
Anyway, I would be more upset with him telling this story about preparing his children and his wife for the coming tribulation or whatever the fuck, if he didn't have really good reason to suspect that there is corruption in the election.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And one of the pieces of evidence he brings to the table is, I mean, fuck.
I'm convinced.
alex jones
You know, Google has a big article that's up on Infowars.com, Google Analytics.
And they had a record search in the days before the election and the days after the election that no one ever searches.
What is the penalty was one of the searches.
And what is the consequences?
And what is the prison time?
And what is the jail time?
These are searches no one's ever done that they ever, but now was by the thousands per state in Pennsylvania, in Georgia, in Minnesota, in Wisconsin, in Michigan.
The search was for what is the consequences?
What is the penalty?
What is the prison time for election fraud?
Wow, because that's election officials and fraud, not voter fraud.
jordan holmes
Who do you think might be?
alex jones
There it is.
Scroll up.
Google Trends searches for election fraud punishment surge in the key battleground states.
It's not just those.
Mores come out.
That is people checking to see what's going to happen to them.
dan friesen
What a conclusion he's jumped to.
jordan holmes
That is a big jump.
So you're saying that people are Googling the crime they're about to commit or have committed and now realize what kind of trouble am I in?
Why?
Oh, my God.
You don't think it might have something to do with maybe right-wing people constantly hoping retribution will come to their enemies and wishing that there's some sort of punishment that they can discover that will be worse than death.
dan friesen
Silly, friend, this is a forensic fingerprint that proves that election officials are trying to figure out what they got to look forward to because they committed election fraud.
Wow.
What a good thinker.
jordan holmes
That is really good thinking.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm impressed by him constantly.
jordan holmes
If that's the result of his brainstorming, he does not need to work for six hours.
dan friesen
You should take a nap.
You should take a longer nap because you'd probably have the exact same analytical abilities.
Maybe better.
So Alex says something in this next clip that I found really interesting.
And it's a good example of how there's sort of a dark mirror version of real world things that are oftentimes behind his rhetoric.
alex jones
When I come back from break, I'm going to explain what they're saying to the president inside the White House right now and how they're trying to get him to concede.
But let me just say this right now.
If Trump concedes, they're going to blame him for the COVID-19 deaths.
They're going to set up a truth and reconciliation commission to demonize all of his supporters, and they're going to make the lockdown and the shutdown of our economy 10 times worse.
And now Biden's announced that.
dan friesen
So I find this kind of interesting.
I don't know if I disagree too much with Alex's assessment of things that could happen if Trump concedes and Biden becomes president.
I just think that he's portraying these things in an intentionally false light.
First, he says that they'll blame Trump for the COVID-19 deaths.
And to the extent that anyone should be blamed, it probably should be the executive officer of the country who is in a position to make decisions that he failed to make.
Obviously, no one would say that it's all Trump's fault, but the conversation about policy failures and new information about what was known when and what was ignored would almost certainly paint Trump in a terrible light.
jordan holmes
Especially if he's staked his entire reputation on being a perfect chief executive officer.
dan friesen
Yeah, you could easily see someone like Alex experiencing a harsh, sober look at Trump's virus response as the globalists blaming him for all the deaths.
So that might actually be a fair assessment just through a twisted mirror.
jordan holmes
I mean, you don't get to take credit for the things that the and then not take blame for things.
dan friesen
Well, apparently you do.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Never mind.
I forgot about that.
dan friesen
The second thing Alex says is that there will be truth and reconciliation committees to demonize Trump supporters.
This is obviously Alex's way of spinning the inevitable necessity of trying to bring humans in this country back to a place where we can even communicate with each other.
The fracturing of a shared reality is something that needs to be addressed, and any attempt to do that is a threat to someone like Alex, whose entire business relies on the perpetuation of that false reality.
Attempts by people who aren't in his fantasy world to humbly reach out and reintegrate people who got sucked into the Trump cult or cue shit is obviously going to be painted as communist indoctrination by Alex and truth and reconciliation committees.
His business cannot afford for him to present it any other way.
But the attempts at reaching out and having like, okay, look, that shit was really bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But we need to figure out a way to move forward.
That will be what this is, if Trump concedes.
The third thing he says that there will be even harsher lockdowns.
Now, I'm not sure if that's actually the case or how Alex would define any of those terms, but I do think that if Biden were to get into office, a more adult, reasonable approach to a public health crisis would be enacted.
And it would be easy for Alex to paint that as this harsh crackdown.
All of the things that he's describing, if Trump concedes, are things that are based on kernels of things that could be real.
It's just preemptively painting them as these evil, nefarious plans that the globalists have.
That's how he gives himself the credibility of having all these good predictions of the hell that will come upon us.
jordan holmes
Sure, but it's not that hard in this case because we already have been told at ad nauseum what a reasonable response would be, and we've already not seen it.
So then taking a reasonable response is already baked into their propaganda.
You know, like the fact that we didn't take a reasonable response makes us super smart for killing 200,000 people.
And if they do take a reasonable response, then it's because they're trying to hurt our economy.
And it's just, yeah, they've already won that messaging.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So on this Sunday, I kind of, you know, I felt a little bit still untethered, like there wasn't much going on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, he's just kind of saying that the election was stolen.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Hooray.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But then we heard this clip.
And man, Owen Schroyer.
He had Steve Pieczenik on, and they sort of dropped the ball.
ali alexander
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's about to make up for it in a big way.
alex jones
Okay.
Let's go ahead and lay it out right now.
Owen Schroyer started tomorrow is going to launch a caravan that's going to leave at 5 p.m. from a location we're going to announce.
It's going to drive to Houston and then along the Gulf of Mexico border through Louisiana, Mississippi, into Florida, where we'll turn north into Georgia, and we'll go up through the Carolinas into Virginia, where I will meet it in D.C. on Friday.
jordan holmes
I want to make a bet on that.
alex jones
And we're going to call for us.
jordan holmes
I would like to bet on this shit.
I'm going to get a million dollars.
alex jones
In the Midwest, in the South, and in the East Coast, to D.C., truckers are already announcing big strikes they're going to have, take over D.C. this next weekend.
So don't worry, President Trump.
The cavalry's coming.
dan friesen
Now I'm fucking excited.
jordan holmes
Wow.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Now we are in business.
jordan holmes
Countdown to quit.
The new segment on Knowledge Bite.
Countdown to the caravan quitting.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, caravan is also an unfortunate term for them to use because the right wing was all obsessed with the caravans coming from South Carolina.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
jordan holmes
Those are bad caravans.
dan friesen
Seems like a weird term.
They should have chosen a different word.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
But convoy is right there.
You guys are southern dumb-dums?
dan friesen
CW McCall would let you use the bassong.
jordan holmes
Right there.
dan friesen
Hey there, Rubber Duck.
We got Owen Schroyer.
jordan holmes
We do.
dan friesen
We got Owen Schroyer with some smokies on his tail.
jordan holmes
Caravan.
Get the fuck out of here.
Turn it into a convoy.
Have a little excitement.
dan friesen
Caravan coming up, top Trump.
jordan holmes
And caravans are just plodding along from destination to destination.
Convoys?
They're escaping some shit.
dan friesen
Well, or they're running moonshine.
Or they're running.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You're right.
It should be.
jordan holmes
It should be a convoy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And they could.
jordan holmes
This is why the hard right sucks at everything.
They couldn't even get convoy right.
It starts with the same letter.
dan friesen
And if Alex really wanted to put some money into this, he could hire Kellyanne Conway to run the Kellyanne Conway convoy.
jordan holmes
It could work.
I like it.
Alliteration should guide all choices.
dan friesen
Yes.
So I got very, excited about this.
I am so pumped to see.
jordan holmes
What a great punishment for Owen.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
jordan holmes
What a brilliant way to punish Owen.
dan friesen
Well, actually, I think it's two-pronged.
I don't know if it's necessarily a punishment, but it's like no one else could probably do this.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
And Owen really came into InfoWars by yelling at people on the street.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
His only real value to the organization isn't as somebody who can tell whether Steve's full of shit or not.
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
He can't conduct interviews credulously at all.
He's really bad at it.
So why not just send him on a fucking tour convoy and have people yell at him and him yell at other people?
It's play people to their strengths.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
You did the paginic shit.
You fucked up.
Now we're going to get back to basics.
We're going to focus on what you do well, and then maybe you'll get your shot again.
Yeah.
He got knocked down a peg.
dan friesen
Yeah, you wanted to play out a position.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
You blew it.
jordan holmes
You blew it.
dan friesen
Now get back.
jordan holmes
Apprentice, go back to where you began.
Exactly.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So I'm excited.
I'm so excited for that.
The potential for hilarity is so high for this.
jordan holmes
Is this documented?
Somebody has to have a camera crew.
dan friesen
Oh, of course.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Owen Schroer has his own show.
The one.
jordan holmes
I want the raw footage of this road trip.
dan friesen
There's a channel on banned.video right now for the caravan.
jordan holmes
Is it live streaming?
unidentified
No, not at all.
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
I want the raw on this.
We can edit something beautiful.
dan friesen
I can't tell you.
I've not been this excited for some dumb idea because he can't stop this.
It's something that's supposed to happen over the course of this week.
Owen Schroyer's already somewhere.
Undisclosed location.
jordan holmes
No, this isn't happening.
This is not going to.
I want to bet money on whether or not this makes it all.
I will bet you money right now.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Alex does not make it to DC.
dan friesen
I'll take that bet.
jordan holmes
You'll take that bet?
dan friesen
Alex is flying.
jordan holmes
All right.
He's already bought the tickets.
I'm sure.
I think he's going to cancel it.
I don't think he's going to make it.
dan friesen
What do you want to bet?
jordan holmes
Let's bet 50 bucks.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Let's bet 10 bucks.
dan friesen
50 bucks to a charity.
jordan holmes
50 bucks to charity.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
I'll take that bet.
jordan holmes
Sounds good.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay.
I'm going to win this bet.
I'm going to DC.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
All right.
Well, I'm going to feel real dumb.
I feel like the better bet is whether or not Owen makes it.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a good question.
dan friesen
Because he's actually got a challenge in front of him shopping at all of these cities.
jordan holmes
It's true.
Alex is just going to fly.
dan friesen
That's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
See, but what I'm saying is if Owen doesn't make it, there's no way Alex can save face on that, right?
dan friesen
It would be tough, but it would also be debatable whether or not the presentation would be better if Owen doesn't.
That's true.
jordan holmes
That is true.
They would have to make up some story.
Oh, man.
They have to make up some story about him being stopped.
That's what I want.
That's what I want.
dan friesen
You listen to me good and you listen to me well.
Okay, all right.
jordan holmes
Now, okay.
dan friesen
If there were any way for this to have been possible, I would almost do anything to be on that bus.
Like to be a Hunter S. Thompson type.
Like, hey, look, I don't like you guys, but I want to do some gonzo journalism where I come on this bus with Owen.
I'll stay out of your way.
I'm not going to fuck with anything just to be able to record this for history.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, that's what I'm saying.
If there's raw footage, this should be filmed all the time.
This should be a road trip documentary, and we should have the final cut.
dan friesen
This should be the new cannonball run.
jordan holmes
Totally!
dan friesen
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
There it is.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
Writing it down.
dan friesen
Some.
Now.
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Cold open.
dan friesen
I have to fade in.
I have to punch this up.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Owen is down there.
And he's got to get to DC through all these stops.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Also, Antifa is there.
And they have to get to DC.
jordan holmes
So we're getting to wacky races territory.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
I want John Cleese involved.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Rowan Atkinson can get involved.
We have rat races.
We have the rat race all over again.
Yes.
We need to have an Antifa news organization.
jordan holmes
And then there's got to be somebody who's dastardly and a dog that laughs.
These are the things I know about the wacky races.
dan friesen
And one car that's like, they're drunk, but we're not going to show them drinking because they're driving.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But they're characters who are drunks.
jordan holmes
You know what's going on.
Yeah.
We're not showing this for legal reasons.
dan friesen
So anyway, you can tell I'm very excited about this.
jordan holmes
I'm stoked about this.
This is an exciting new development.
unidentified
This is the first time I've been really excited about something InfoWar has done in a while.
dan friesen
Although I do think that there is the potential for this to go really bad, because I think a lot of the people who might be drawn to that would be violent type.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And certainly, I hope that that's not the case.
And that's not what I'm excited for.
I'm excited for Owen tripping over his own foot all the way up the eastern seaboard.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
That's what I'm interested in.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Imagine if Paul Revere had like a two-legged horse.
That's what we're dealing with here, man.
dan friesen
So Alex gets to talking to Ali Alexander.
He comes on, and they're just trying to get Trump not to concede.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
It's so critical, Ollie, to not get the president to concede because the cavalry's coming, and the evidence of fraud is mounting massively.
Ali Alexander.
ali alexander
We know that the president is watching these broadcasts, and so I want to say, Mr. President, the cavalry is coming.
dan friesen
So you got cavalry and cavalry coming.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
It's exciting.
jordan holmes
Cavalry.
Cavalry.
You're the guys who like the Bible.
Figure it out.
dan friesen
Maybe that's the problem, though.
jordan holmes
They like it too much.
Yes.
dan friesen
You know, we have seen Ali Alexander really coming into his own as a real hardline zealot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Real, real religious Christian zealot.
So maybe he is actually saying Calvary.
jordan holmes
That could be.
That could be.
The Calvary is coming for you.
We're going to put you up there.
dan friesen
So if the election is to be believed by the, you know, all the sources, the reality.
Right.
Then Biden won.
ali alexander
Yes.
dan friesen
And even if that's the case, Trump should still be president.
jordan holmes
I think that's great.
alex jones
Even if he'd won the election, which he hasn't, we have a right to not let him be the president because they claim Trump was this Russian agent with no proof.
But Joe Biden, my God, Ali Alexander, we've got incredible evidence.
ali alexander
We've got damning evidence.
We've got him dead to rights.
dan friesen
So, I mean, like, why even do the election then based on what you're saying?
jordan holmes
Pretty much.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You're saying that the person is disqualified.
So, like, why wasn't your argument, I mean, why wasn't there like a position of fuck this election?
We shouldn't even do it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Instead of let's do the election.
The Democrats are going to try and steal it and Trump will win by a landslide.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't understand.
jordan holmes
I mean, they tried to sell that with the only way that it's a fair election is if Trump wins.
So why do the election?
Because if he doesn't win, it's an unfair election.
dan friesen
But at the same time, the argument with that wasn't, let's just not do the election.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now it's like we shouldn't have done the election.
jordan holmes
We shouldn't even have done it.
dan friesen
It doesn't matter if Trump.
jordan holmes
We could lose.
I didn't expect that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But I think that's another thing that they're not able to comprehend how stupid it makes them look, right?
Okay, so you're saying that Trump had no, like, it's all fake evidence and none of it's real.
They had no evidence for the Russia thing.
Right.
But we saw a lot of it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And from varied sources all over the place.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right.
So if that's manufactured, that's well manufactured.
dan friesen
Quite.
jordan holmes
Currently, Trump is proving that Biden stole the election.
We have very little evidence.
dan friesen
Well, we have Rudy Giuliani at a landscaping place.
jordan holmes
See, so they're even admitting that they're bad.
They're worse at faking evidence than the...
dan friesen
Shut the fuck up.
Dennis Montgomery.
jordan holmes
All right?
joe biden
And hold your horses.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
Hold your horses.
jordan holmes
Google.
dan friesen
Google.
Alex showed the Google data.
jordan holmes
That's true.
Come on.
That's true.
dan friesen
Get it together.
jordan holmes
I would think they could at least get one person, like a Michael Flynn or a Michael Cohen, to like flip for them just for a little bit.
dan friesen
Well, Michael Flynn's lawyer is pumping out the Dennis Montgomery stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but from the other side.
They got to entrap someone and have them turn rogue or whatever.
dan friesen
So I think what they really want, though, and I think this is something we've been kind of aware of, is for Trump to seize power and this to be a Christian theocracy.
And Ollie is a little bit too open about that.
ali alexander
They're perverts and they're seeking to, you and I have talked about this, invert, invert all of these holy orders that we have.
The Christianity stabilized this feral version of what Rome had, you know, after it burned and all this.
Christianity injected into Western civilization a stabilizing formula.
alex jones
And then Western civilization didn't work until we had it.
ali alexander
Exactly.
So the basis of what we call Western civilization now is Christianity because prior, Western civilization didn't work.
dan friesen
Oh, so whenever you talk about like Western civilization being what you're all about, you're actually just talking about like, I don't know, a Christian religious state.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
A theocracy.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Cool.
I'm glad.
I'm glad that we can have that in the clear now.
jordan holmes
It is kind of, see, it is kind of obvious.
dan friesen
I mean, in the clear again.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean.
That's really their only option if they can't even really lie about the election results because nobody's buying it except for everybody that they like, then your only option is then just to out and out and be like, well, in order to save the Republic, we have to become a Christian theocracy.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that that's sort of the underlying trend that you see from people like Ali, obviously, and a little bit on InfoWars.
But actually, the sense that I got from this Sunday episode was very much not that interested in the election fraud stuff anymore.
Like, he kind of, it's just like, ah, we proved it.
And he has stuff like this that happened, but his focus seems to be elsewhere.
alex jones
Here's Biden two months ago saying, we've got the most people ever for election fraud.
And then Pelosi a week and a half ago saying, I don't care what happens with this thing coming up.
He'll be inaugurated after.
And they told us they'd do it with the ballots and they did it.
Because if there's one thing criminals do, they love to brag.
Only time they tell the truth is when they're telling you how they're effing you over.
Here it is.
joe biden
Secondly, we're in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration, the President Obama's administration before this.
We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.
nancy pelosi
But we are ready.
I feel very confident that Joe Biden will be elected president on Tuesday, whatever the count is, but on the election that occurs on Tuesday, he will be elected.
On January 20th, he will be inaugurated president of the United States.
alex jones
She's the one that goes to the salon that's going bankrupt, doesn't wear a mask, gets caught not wearing the, oh, but for the TV, she wears it up there on the stage.
dan friesen
I find that that sort of that second clip was useless.
I don't think that that was, I didn't hear anything in there that was even like suspicious.
jordan holmes
No, I think he's just trying to pass off just confidence as foreknowledge.
dan friesen
But I think that perhaps, but I think even he recognized that was so weak that he had to complain about the salon instead of anything that's in the clip.
jordan holmes
That is weak tea.
dan friesen
Now, the one of Biden sounds a little worse.
And if you think that he was just speaking and then accidentally said that they put together a voter fraud organization, then you might reach the conclusion that Alex is presenting.
However, that's not Biden misspeaking.
It's a clip taken from an interview on Pod Save America from back in October.
In reality, if the person who found that clip had allowed it to play in full, it would be painfully obvious that Biden was talking about organizing to stop and avoid instances of voter fraud.
But honestly, that's not the best word that he could have used.
What he was referring to is more of the broad spectrum of voter disenfranchisement.
Immediately after the clip stops, Biden goes on to discuss the call-in line that had been set up to connect people with lawyers who can help if they have trouble voting or face intimidation at the poll.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
These are the sorts of specifics Alex has because it's about appearances, not reality.
That clip sounds really bad.
Like Biden was accidentally admitting to setting up a voter fraud organization.
But it only does if you only listen to that little snippet.
So you're creating this facade, this veneer, like, oh, we proved it.
He admitted it in public.
unidentified
Jesus.
dan friesen
But he's doing that to sort of not talk about it that much.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
I don't think he wants to talk about it that much.
He wants to talk about this goddamn caravan.
Absolutely.
That's exciting.
jordan holmes
That is exciting.
dan friesen
And then he also has an emergency message.
alex jones
All right, I'm going to issue an emergency message to President Trump coming up at the bottom of the hour.
dan friesen
So we've got that message coming up, and I think that that's really where he wants this, he wants to put his focus.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And we'll get to that in a minute because his focus is never far from one person.
One person in this world haunts Alex like a weech.
Like a witch.
jordan holmes
Bill Maher.
alex jones
He's a guilty, disgusting pus bucket that they're preparing to remove, and then Kamala Harris will probably bring Hillary Clinton in.
What a time to be alive.
dan friesen
Indeed, what a time to be alive.
Still trying to fantasy book Hillary into this election.
jordan holmes
I just don't.
I mean, if you want millions of people outside the White House, try and trick everyone into getting Hillary Clinton to become president now.
dan friesen
Wouldn't she just be vice president then?
And then Kamala Harris would then have to step down.
jordan holmes
He would step down.
They would trade jobs.
You know, constitutional stuff.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this is where I got, you know, I've already, I think, I think based on our behavior so far, you can already tell I'm super excited about this convoy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, here's where I got real excited.
alex jones
And then Owen Schroyer's coming in here live.
He's live and he's strong.
And he's preparing to deploy on a four-day trip to DC and lead a massive caravan where you can join it.
And if you decide to join it, it will send a message to the globalists that they are in deep trouble.
Everybody always wanted to march on D.C.
It's here.
When the chips are down, what are you going to do now?
Stay with us.
dan friesen
So I felt challenged by that.
When the chips are down, what are you going to do?
unidentified
Yeah.
And I realized we're going to join that caravan.
alex jones
No.
Oh.
dan friesen
But we have to do an episode on Friday.
jordan holmes
Of course we do.
dan friesen
This is if there ever was an emergency episode necessary.
jordan holmes
We got to follow up this fucking caravan.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
The caravan is the only thing I care about now.
Yes.
It's the only thing I, because you know what?
I think that's going to be fun.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think that's going to be fun for us.
Yeah.
unidentified
I even think it's going to be fun for Owen and all the people in the caravan.
jordan holmes
You'd forgotten.
dan friesen
I've temporarily forgotten about Assassin's Creed because this caravan is exciting.
jordan holmes
This is a fun thing.
Now I kind of want to do a caravan.
dan friesen
Yeah, you almost like you can just envision in your head like sad moments of Owen with funny music behind it.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
God, it's just, it's great.
So it's not going to be a normal, regular thing.
No.
But caravan necessitates.
We got to do an episode on Friday about the caravan.
We won't know if Alex has shown up in D.C. by the time that episode comes out.
That's true.
Our bet will have to be decided on Friday.
But there will be plenty of caravan nonsense to get into.
jordan holmes
I can't wait.
dan friesen
Me too.
jordan holmes
God, it's just going to be a series of banana peels.
dan friesen
I can't imagine it being anything else.
So Alex teased that he has this emergency message coming up.
And here he throws to it.
alex jones
Okay, the video is at Van.video.
It's at Infowars.com.
Alex Jones' emergency message to President Trump.
Do not concede.
There's over a million people conservatively on our streams.
Over a million listening on radio stations.
That's 2 million people.
Conservatively.
I love you.
I appreciate you.
You're amazing.
I appreciate those that brought you here.
If you decide to spread this video, the president will wake up and say no.
If you don't, we're doomed.
Here is the report.
dan friesen
I bet if you spread it, it still isn't going to.
alex jones
Nah, it'll be fine.
dan friesen
I don't know if Trump's going to see, like, ooh, a lot of shares on that InfoWars video.
I better wake up.
Better snap out of it.
unidentified
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
That InfoWars video has almost as many likes as that dumb tweet I just posted five seconds ago.
I better change all of my things.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This is where I got to go.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, I felt cheated by this because the emergency message that he was teasing, I didn't realize it was a pre-recorded video.
He just did this so he can leave half an hour early.
He just.
jordan holmes
Oh, that sucks.
He just leaves.
That sucks.
He just leaves.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But, you know, he has an emergency message to Trump, so we better find out what it is.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
President Trump, you are about to be approached by Joe Biden and his new COVID-19 commission.
They're going to tell you that, sir, you're going to be blamed for the hundreds of thousands of deaths unless you sign on to a new lockdown, contact tracing, and even people being taken from their homes and forced inoculations.
When you sign on to that, you'll be confirming that COVID-19 was your fault and legitimizing the martial law takedown of this country and the complete shutdown of our economy.
This will be the end of the republic, and you, sir, will be known as Benedict Arnold, who allowed it all to happen.
dan friesen
Trump, you are going to be approached by Biden's team.
Trump, they are behind you right now.
jordan holmes
Trump, at midnight, you will be visited by 13 ghosts.
dan friesen
The fourth will give you an envelope.
It has the location.
jordan holmes
Come on, man.
What are we doing?
dan friesen
All right.
So, this is kind of what I think Alex wants to turn this into, as opposed to worrying too much about like ah, voter fraud or whatever, which feels just dead.
It feels deflated even on Alex's show.
What he wants to talk about is during this 79 days of hell, right?
Biden and his transition team are going to have some ideas about better ways to address the COVID-19 situation.
And so, what the real conspiracy is, is they're going to make a fucking demand of Trump that he get on board with their plan, their globalist plan.
And if he doesn't, then they're going to blame the deaths on him.
But if he does, then they're going to blame the damage to the economy that their evil plans do.
They're going to blame that on Trump.
He has no win situation except to come out and say, go fuck yourselves, globalists.
But then, even if they do that, they're going to try and use the 25th Amendment to take him out of office.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's really much more exciting than Rudy Giuliani's press conference and the very, very boring voter fraud claims that Dennis Montgomery is peddling.
jordan holmes
I just, you'd think that that press conference should take an entire party down.
That's how sad that was.
I wanted to laugh at it because it's maybe objectively the funniest thing I've ever heard.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was, and it's confusingly funny.
jordan holmes
Everything about it.
Yeah.
What I thought about it is everybody who is like, oh, comedy is going to be good under the Trump administration.
And I'm like, every single thing I've seen of people trying to dunk on this is not as funny and never will be as its mere existence.
Like, you're never going to win.
There's no point in trying comedy over Rudy Giuliani standing next to a porn shop with a fucking pedophile right next to him.
It just doesn't get better than that.
There's no joke that is better than that.
dan friesen
And it's a landscape.
unidentified
It's also called four seasons.
jordan holmes
He himself is an implied pedophile after the 15-year-old girl thing.
Like, this whole thing is off the rails.
What joke do I have?
dan friesen
None.
jordan holmes
None.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex's message to Trump is largely like, you got to talk more shit, man.
alex jones
It's so essential for you now to not concede the election, but to come out with your bully pulpit of the Oval Office and lay out the Newsweek articles and the new scientist articles and all the documents that Fauci and Gates under Obama's command before you ever got into office in 2013, 14, and 15, were running the very exact COVID-19 weaponized virus test.
dan friesen
Trump, you got to use our talking points.
You got to get in the Oval Office and say Infowars shit.
That'll really help me out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Now, what's really funny is if you watch the video of this, while Alex is talking, those articles flash up on screen.
And one of them is that article from The Scientist.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And right under the headline is an editor's note about how there are conspiracy theories connecting this article to COVID-19 and the coronavirus.
And this is all unsubstantiated.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So even as Alex is trying to show this evidence, this doesn't work.
unidentified
He's accidentally fact-checking himself?
dan friesen
So they're going to try and remove Trump early, is the thing.
That's what this emergency message is all about.
alex jones
Sir, I want you and your advisors to know what they're planning to do to drive you from office before January 20th and how they're planning to then blame you for COVID-19 that's been their plan all along.
If they're able to trick you, then your legacy and all your supporters will be irrevocably connected to the COVID-19 deaths and the American people will be persecuted and Americanism itself will be demonized, connected to the Wuhan virus, which is a Chinese communist bioweapon.
dan friesen
I would say that history is not going to be super kind to Trump's fans period about their response to probably not going to go well.
I don't think that's dependent on Trump leaving early or staying until January or being tricked by imaginary globalists.
I think we're just going to look back and be like, huh, isn't that weird how responding poorly to a public health crisis seemed to be a policy plank?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Weird.
That doesn't seem like a good idea.
dan friesen
That's very strange.
jordan holmes
My new policy is murder.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
The end.
dan friesen
So anyway, they're going to try and use that 25th Amendment to get Trump out.
alex jones
They will demand that you, who is still president, elected under the Constitution, implement these plans.
If you do not immediately agree, they're going to say the 260 plus thousand, most of them deaths, as you know, from something else, are on your watch and are on your head and that you are guilty of this under the 25th Amendment and are not fit to be the president of the United States.
They want to further discredit you, not just with this fraudulent election, but to certify that fraudulent election by having your own cabinet remove you under the 25th Amendment because you don't follow the recommendations and orders of Joe Biden's new globalist COVID-19 task force.
dan friesen
I mean, what's the point?
I don't understand why.
jordan holmes
I think what's funny about this is that he's okay in his world, we live in a they, this is what they would do, so we do it.
But they would do what our plans are that we're doing right now.
So I think Alex is actually saying that, one, he knows all of this stuff is true.
This is all Trump's fault.
And that the only way, the best way for us to go about this is to use the 25th Amendment to remove him from office, to do all of this stuff early.
Like, he's saying that the best plan is doing all that stuff.
Exactly.
He's telling us what he would do in our situation.
dan friesen
Right, but that's not always still even the best thing.
jordan holmes
It's not a good plan.
But it is funny every time he does this because he's like, here is what I would do.
And that's what they're trying to do already.
dan friesen
Yeah, I hear it more like, yeah, it's going to look real bad if competent leadership comes in and people are like, oh, this is what we've been missing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It's going to look real bad.
dan friesen
It's going to take a whole lot of the like, oh, the deep state, all these weird, weird things that have been going on over the past couple of years, these weird excuses are all just going to look kind of dumb.
And I think Alex recognizes that and, you know, you've got to distract people.
The only way to do that is to create something fun in that 79 days of hell.
unidentified
They're going to try and get rid of Trump before Trump has to leave anyway.
jordan holmes
I mean, the thing that scares me is there's only two ways for Trump to go.
And that is to step down early and have Pence write the most broad pardon in the history of the United States that somehow also supersedes any and all state crimes that Trump has committed or not leave because anything other than those two and he's going to jail.
So I think he knows that.
First of all, he's not going to jail.
dan friesen
Innocent until proven guilty.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
First of all.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Second, I don't know.
I don't know if that's the case, but I could easily see some kind of a brokered immunity.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know.
There's just nothing to say.
If he leaves office, he's going to lose all of his money.
Like, it's going to be a bloodbath for him personally because he's bad at everything.
And I think what's going to save us is he's too incompetent to do either of the only two things that he can do.
dan friesen
Maybe.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
That's my suspicion.
dan friesen
I think we'll see.
I'm not entirely sure.
jordan holmes
That's my suspicion.
dan friesen
But Alex is presenting Trump with this position where, like, if you're going to be approached by a man in a trench coat, and he is going to tell you Biden's secret plan.
Sure.
And should you say no to this plan, they will blame you for all deaths.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
However, if you say yes to it, here is what you got to do.
Or here's what's going to happen.
alex jones
If you follow the lockdown, they will put your name on the coming depression in the United States and blame you for all the previous deaths, saying later you actually admitted that you were the one behind it all.
jordan holmes
You did.
We have tape.
alex jones
Don't sign on to it.
You've got to come out and expose Fauci, Bill Gates, Joe Biden, and all of them in Oval Office addresses.
And that is the only path to stop them.
dan friesen
So this is the 20% he was talking about earlier, I think.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Is Trump giving Oval Office addresses where he spouts InfoWars conspiracies?
Yep.
Yeah, all right.
I guess I think 20% is an embarrassingly high chance to give that of success.
jordan holmes
Sure.
I think as far as Alex goes, this is a great swing.
This is a great swing.
dan friesen
It's as good as he can do.
jordan holmes
Because Trump has nothing left to lose.
And this would be great for Alex's business.
So why not see if Trump will do some shit for him now?
dan friesen
I think even Alex has to recognize that that's, I think, a fruitless strategy.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
But I do think that this is better for Alex than getting too hung up on the election stuff.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Also, getting too hung up on fucking, like, even addressing Steve's nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it's a better game to play that, like, oh, the COVID, it's really about.
Because then that kind of has a stage removed from the like strict electoral stuff and the parties.
You can still like claim that there's something outside of politics that this is about the globalists' evil plan.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, I think that that is good for him.
So I think that that's why he's focusing on this.
And this message to the president, supposedly, is not about fight in Michigan, fight in Pennsylvania.
You know, get there to count the ballots.
Make sure all of it, you know, like get Steve Pieczenik on the phone.
He said it's a sting operation or whatever.
You know, like he's not doing that because, sure, that should live in the background, but it's proven already.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, it's proven already.
We can move on.
dan friesen
We have to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
We have to because there's more pressing information.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And that is that Biden's COVID response team is really a Trojan horse to get Trump out with the 25th Amendment or that's pretty good on his part in terms of spin and the way he's playing things.
jordan holmes
Let Knight handle Steve Pieczenik, get Owen out of the studio for a while.
Let me try and fucking thread whatever needle that I need to to try and keep us in business after next week.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that's about as good as you can get.
jordan holmes
That is a better strategy than I would have expected.
dan friesen
Giant publicity stunt out of this caravan.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, this is a far better plan than I ever would have expected from them.
dan friesen
I don't even know if it's a plan.
I wonder if it's just kind of like, all right, what can we do?
All right.
This could work.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know if it's some grand machination on their part or anything, but I think it fulfills a number of the requirements that get around some of the problems.
It's still not a good play because it's still like, I mean, what happens when the 25th Amendment isn't invoked?
What happens when these votes are certified and Biden is, they do need to have the transition teams take over?
What happens in January?
Like, these are only little band-aids you can put on this.
There's still a much larger problem that isn't being addressed by it.
Right.
But in terms of being like Alex Jones, where you got to keep moving.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The shark of lies.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Piranha of truth, shark of lies.
In terms of being that guy, it's as good as you could do right now.
And I agree.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't be surprised if they half-assed their way into an accidental competent move.
dan friesen
I don't know if it's, again, I don't know if it's competent.
Competent?
jordan holmes
We great on a curve.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
We great on a curve.
dan friesen
I have to keep reminding myself.
jordan holmes
I would have expected him to be eating parts of his desk by now.
That's the curve I'm dealing with.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I make my desk out of survival food.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Why not?
dan friesen
Yeah.
This desk, it looks like it's made of glass.
It's actually sugar.
You need calories.
unidentified
On my last episode, I fall into the desk from 20 feet above.
dan friesen
Giving Owen an elbow drop.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So on this next clip, Alex is talking.
I mean, like, I said, it's just background dressing that Trump won the election and it was stolen.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
President Trump, the mainstream media has choreographed all of this.
They have fraudulently blamed you for COVID-19.
The American people do not believe it.
They know the truth.
They elect you overwhelmingly.
And so this new fifth coup of election fraud is designed to take you out.
If you comply, if you, quote, take the olive branch, the neocons, and Mitt Romney, and George W. Bush, and say, okay, I'll follow the recommendations of President-elect Joe Biden to lock things down, to wear the mask, to take inoculations, and for contact tracers, they will then turn around later and admit that you were repudiated and the deaths were your fault and legitimize the persecution of your supporters.
dan friesen
So basically, Alex is just being like, for our sake, please seize power.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But also, the thing I find most interesting about that is that Alex calls Biden president-elect.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
I feel like he would be more petty than that.
unidentified
all know i feel like you would know that's really weird they They all know.
dan friesen
That's really strange.
I feel like...
jordan holmes
You can do a second take.
unidentified
I...
jordan holmes
I know he's a one-take goal.
dan friesen
There are cuts in here.
unidentified
Oh, there are?
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
He mispronounced a word.
dan friesen
He was fraudulent a couple times.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's not great.
But even in this message that is, you know, like I said, there's some editing.
There's some effort that went into this.
And it's supposed to be like a message directly to Trump.
There's an elephant in the room that Alex can't even ignore in this message, and that is that Trump is not being a leader.
alex jones
We are waiting for leadership.
We need the address from the Oval Office.
We need you to reconfirm in the face of Fox News and the other sell-out traders that you are never going to concede to fraud and sell out the election system in this country.
We know you're our champion, and we stand behind you.
dan friesen
So even that is kind of like a call out a little bit.
jordan holmes
Man, I feel so like Joe Rogan and Alex.
Like so many of these people are sitting here being like, where's Q?
Where's Trump?
Where's all this stuff?
And it's like, guys, they weren't your friends.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They've been using you.
You're the fool here.
I know you can't admit it, but that's what you got to get.
dan friesen
You just brought up Joe Rogan, so I need to say two things real quick.
Someone sent me a message about Tim Dillon on Joe Rogan's show.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And they pointed out to me that Tim Dylan is a sober person.
Okay.
Or I don't know if recovery or whatever.
Or if he's just driving.
jordan holmes
Or he's just straight edge or whatever.
dan friesen
So he doesn't drink or smoke.
When we were saying that he was high, it was because he had kept saying he was high.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I realized that what he was probably saying is he's high because he's around or something.
High on the excitement.
And I misspoke, and I apologize about that.
I didn't mean to imply Tim was high when he wasn't.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about him.
dan friesen
No, neither do I.
And that's why I made that mistake.
Easy to make.
Second.
jordan holmes
I'm glad he's an asshole without PEDs.
dan friesen
Second, I think I had this fantasy that Rogan, he's like, I just rationalize having Alex on my show.
I just started thinking about how fun it would be if he's forced to have Alex's friends on the show.
It's like, yeah, all right.
jordan holmes
Okay, you want Alex on there?
You got to bring a Pieczenik on.
dan friesen
Yeah, Steve Pieczenik's going to come fuck with you for a little while.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you want to say that this guy's sources and shit are backed up, and we've got a fact-checker right there.
Let's bring Dr. Pachenek right next to you.
unidentified
Yeah, next.
jordan holmes
Let's see how that goes.
dan friesen
Next episode, Stuart Rhodes of the Oak Keepers is here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's fucking dance that dance, Joe.
You want to do this?
Do it.
dan friesen
Next time, Vox Day is coming in.
jordan holmes
And now...
dan friesen
Nick Fuentes.
jordan holmes
Florida Congresswoman-elect Laura Loomer is coming up on...
dan friesen
I don't think it's outside the possibility that Loomer has been on record.
jordan holmes
That doesn't...
dan friesen
I don't think she has.
jordan holmes
I don't think so either.
dan friesen
Yeah, I just had that fantasy.
That seemed pretty fun.
jordan holmes
That would be very fun.
dan friesen
Forcing Rogan to have Alex's friends on.
If you want to have Alex back again, sit down with these ding dogs.
jordan holmes
Wrestle with that.
unidentified
John Rappaport coming on the Rogan experience.
Is that Batman appearing from the bushes?
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex brings up a headline in his address to Trump.
This is one of his current talking points.
alex jones
And now, President Trump, we have the head of the UK military, their Secretary of Defense, their chairman of their joint chiefs of their defense staff, General Sir Nick Carter, coming out and saying this lockdown could trigger World War III, and there's an extreme danger of it, and that another lockdown is not needed.
dan friesen
So this is a headline of an article that Alex didn't read about an interview with General Sir Nick Carter on Sky News, where he discussed how the continuing COVID-19 situation and some of the economic ramifications of it around the world has the potential to exacerbate regional conflicts that already exist.
Many people don't feel like regional conflicts are too relevant to their lives, but Carter was trying to point out that, quote, rhythms of history showed that localized tensions can easily ratchet up and drag nations to war.
What he was saying is that regional conflict can often escalate when it's miscalculated and ignored.
He said, quote, if you look back at the last century before both world wars, I think it was inarguable that there was escalation which led to the miscalculation, which ultimately led to war at a scale we hopefully never see again.
His comments weren't meant to imply that dealing with COVID-19 could cause a third world war, and he never said that measures that Alex would exaggerate into calling lockdowns are unnecessary.
That's Alex's imagination about what an article he hasn't read says based on his impression of the headline.
The interview is given to celebrate Remembrance Sunday, a UK day of commemoration for the service persons of their country who participated in the two world wars.
Given this context, the general's comments and the interview made a lot more sense.
But it's exactly this context that Alex makes it his job to deprive his audience of.
It's bad enough when the intended audience is some listener who might buy dumb pills, but it's another thing when he's imagining that he's conning the president with this bullshit.
It makes total sense.
This is a Remembrance Sunday interview about these world wars and the concern that regional conflicts can grow and engulf other people.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, you know, World War I was a rich guy got killed and then a bunch of cousins fought each other.
You know?
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here, Jordan.
Sure.
And this is such a metaphor.
This is an audio metaphor for Alex Jones' dumb, dumb message to Trump.
Mike down for this because I want you to experience this in its fullness.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
We're still on air at infowars.com forward slash show and band on video.
And we're going to be making major announcements later this evening about massive caravans from all corners of the United States descending on Washington, D.C. in the next few days, led by Infowars.com and more action we're about to take.
Mr. President, we don't just have your back.
unidentified
Attention business owners body slammed by overwhelming debt.
dan friesen
Just, just amazing.
Just.
I can't say enough about that.
This is...
unidentified
That should have been a commercial for Four Seasons Land.
dan friesen
It would be amazing.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, that would have been beautiful.
dan friesen
This is a video that Alex pre-recorded so he could leave work early so he could give a message of desperation to the president.
And it, first of all, ends with a plug for Infowars.com forward slash show.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
He's plugging that in his message directly to the president.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, if Joe Arpaio is going to plug his book in a message to me.
dan friesen
What a dick.
jordan holmes
What a dick.
dan friesen
But that does imply, like, okay, the message to Trump part is kind of part of the performance.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I think it's painfully obvious.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then it's just hilarious that they mistimed it and he got cut off by the break.
jordan holmes
You know how long it is.
dan friesen
You do.
jordan holmes
To the second.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
It is recorded on the maximum.
3-0 colon 0-1.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Don't run it until 2850.
dan friesen
There's no reason that you need to be getting cut off by the break in your important message to the president.
jordan holmes
It's just not possible.
dan friesen
It's a recognition that this is performance art for the audience.
And then second, it's also an admission that, like, it's not as important as commercials.
jordan holmes
None of this actually means.
dan friesen
We don't really care about getting the whole message in.
It's kind of just the fact that we did it.
We like, and hey, hey, Trump, get excited.
These caravans are coming.
jordan holmes
What a great thing to say.
We've got your back.
dan friesen
Are you having overwhelming debt?
jordan holmes
Just so good because it's in a statement of we've got your back, and then you literally disappear.
It's just perfect.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Imagine if you're Trump listening to that.
He's like, what else?
unidentified
Not only do I have an important message.
jordan holmes
Pills.
I've got pills.
I got your back, and I got pills.
dan friesen
So we come to the end of this, and I got to say, you know, rare need for a Friday episode, but this caravan demands it.
I'm excited to follow the adventures of Owen Schoyer across these United States.
I'm excited to see what kind of goofs happen.
I wish I was there.
Desperately.
jordan holmes
This caravan has breathed new life into me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is very exciting.
And I just, whoever they hired, I know they've got somebody video.
I know they've got somebody with cameras.
You got to give us the raw footage.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You got to get it should be 24-7 filming.
This should be a fucking David Attenborough documentary.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, that's what we're dealing with.
dan friesen
There should be the bus or whatever they're using to go down there should be like hardwired video, audio, and all time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Werner Herzog is there.
Werner Herzog has to be there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The potential for this just to be an amazing story that might never get told is too high.
It's too high.
jordan holmes
I know.
I know.
Oh, dude.
dan friesen
We'll do our best.
jordan holmes
Yes, we got this.
dan friesen
And we'll see you then.
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yes.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at KnowledgeWFA and I GoToBed Jordan.
dan friesen
Yep.
We're also on Facebook.
unidentified
We are Facebook.
jordan holmes
We have reviews.
And if you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work.
dan friesen
Yep.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
I think it's totally fine if you watch Dancing with the Stars.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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