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Nov. 9, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
01:46:38
#500: November 5-6, 2020

Knowledge Fight’s 500th episode dissects Alex Jones’ chaotic post-election coverage, where Trump’s legal challenges crumble and Jones’ "79 Days of Hell" branding flops amid leadership vacuum—his absence exposes InfoWars’ reliance on him, with underlings like Owen Shroyer peddling absurd claims (e.g., blockchain-tracked ballots) as "revelations." Dr. Steve Pieczenik’s debunked "sting operation" theory highlights the platform’s history of unchecked conspiracy grifting, while figures like Mike Cernovich and Jack Posobiec struggle without Jones’ unified narrative. The episode underscores how far-right movements falter without a central, credible leader to guide their disorganized panic. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 12:20
d
dan friesen
52:41
j
jordan holmes
23:50
Appearances
a
amanda milius
00:58
d
david knight
infowars 02:49
o
owen shroyer
winn 02:18
s
steve pieczenik
03:42
Callers
andy in kansas
callers 00:06
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Speaker Time Text
steve pieczenik
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
alex jones
Shang me are the bad guys.
Knowledge and fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Pandy.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Pansy.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy and Pans was here on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
andy in kansas
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish trend color over here saying I love your room.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
Jordan.
unidentified
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, is something actually happened a little bit back, but it's something I've been reflecting on, and it's appropriate for the 500th episode to be doing here.
jordan holmes
Nice way to smooth in that little 500 reference.
dan friesen
Yeah, for sure.
That's what it's all about.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
So I recently was asked or invited by listener Sarah Beth to give a little bit of a Q ⁇ A session discussion with a college course that she presides over.
And it was just such a rewarding, interesting experience to be asked to talk to these college students about issues like researching topics.
And it was amazing.
And I can't thank Sarah Beth enough for inviting me.
And these kids were great, although scary.
I'm scared.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
I'm scared of college kids.
jordan holmes
Sure, naturally.
dan friesen
For one, because they look so young and they are adults technically.
That scares the shit out of me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is a problem.
dan friesen
And then also, like, I remember back when I was in college, I would just be disapproving by nature, sort of like the default look on your face is.
Yeah, you're in class.
yeah you know i'm used to being a stand-up and and i want to elicit a response a positive response from the yeah yeah yeah And so it's always tough to imagine, like, just even myself back in college, like, to try and look at my face trying to convey a message.
jordan holmes
You know, we've had plenty of friends who've gone back and forth from doing stand-up and teaching.
You know, like they were teachers while they were stand-ups.
And it never occurred to me that you would have to stand up in front of all the same types of people, but they don't make a response at all.
Yeah, that's infuriating.
dan friesen
It's terrifying because they're a crowd, but they're not a crowd.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're not a crowd.
I can't do crowd work.
I'm not going to do a little five minutes up top every time.
No, that's not going to work.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So thank you so much to Sarah Beth and those students.
It was just a great experience.
jordan holmes
That's really cool.
First, really cool.
dan friesen
First time.
I get to call myself a guest lecturer now.
I think.
alex jones
I believe you.
dan friesen
I can put that in my title.
jordan holmes
I believe you do.
That's in there.
dan friesen
Yeah, is that about you?
jordan holmes
Oh, my bright spot, Dan, normally would be that Assassin's Creed Valhalla is coming out.
Sure, but not yet.
Not yet.
It's not here.
dan friesen
Although we set a bad precedent with me being able to do a preemptive one with Pikmin.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's true.
But I won't be choosing that because, Dan, my audiobook is finished and it is up on the website for everybody to download at their leisure.
dan friesen
Congratulations.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was cool.
It was really fun to do.
Thank you very much for helping me produce it.
dan friesen
Sure.
Made a tiny cameo.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Yeah.
If you rate it, there are some Easter eggs and some weird things that are there on purpose, I promise you, to confuse you and kind of disorient things for a little bit.
unidentified
Awesome.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
People can find that at thequietpartloud.com.
jordan holmes
Indeed, yep, that's where they can find it.
dan friesen
I'm very proud of you.
I'm excited that it's out and people can enjoy the fruits of your labor, by which I mean screaming in my apartment.
jordan holmes
If you want to go straight from listening to four hours of us talk and then instead get rid of the best part of this podcast, I think it's a great idea to listen to my audiobook.
dan friesen
Get rid of me and replace it with you doing voices.
Very exciting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's not great.
dan friesen
That's great, despite what you say.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's awesome.
I'm very happy about it.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we got an interesting thing to do.
We're going to be talking about a little bit of election time info wars.
jordan holmes
Oh, yay.
I've been hearing about things.
dan friesen
But things might be a little bit different than what people could have expected.
Last week, Jordan, we talked about how it would be too difficult to do an episode about the election to be released on that Wednesday.
And that remained true when it came time to record Friday's episode.
At that point, there was just too much uncertainty.
It felt very difficult to discuss the whole thing without kind of having any feelings of closure about the election itself.
Now, as it stands on Sunday, as we record Monday's show, there's a bit more of a sense of finality.
All the networks have called the race for Biden, and it looks like the basis for any kind of legal challenge Trump's campaign could make, it'll be weak, and it'll probably go nowhere.
Everybody celebrating the Biden win owes a huge raise of the glass to the on-the-ground organizers and voter registration activists in those battleground states that could easily have gone the other way.
jordan holmes
Oh, easily.
dan friesen
It's still mind-blowing that it was anywhere near that close, but right now, our country probably owes a deep debt of gratitude to a ton of people whose names you'll likely never know.
So now there's a bit more of a sense of what's going on.
I feel like I'm standing on more solid ground, so it's time to get to Alex's election coverage.
jordan holmes
See what happened.
dan friesen
Or maybe not.
As I reflected over the weekend, I had a bit of.
jordan holmes
I do like that twist.
That was a very good.
I was like, yeah, now is the time when you're like, or maybe not.
Fuck you, Dan.
dan friesen
I had a bit of a realization, Jordan.
A large part of the motivation for me doing this podcast was my revulsion at seeing Alex and his crew laughing at the diverse crowds of Hillary supporters crying on election night 2016, mocking what was for many of them a very real and justified existential fear.
So now the tables are turned a little bit, and we have an opportunity to laugh at his behavior on election night when things didn't go his way.
Do we mock his tears, comfortable in the knowledge that they're probably fake?
And even if they are real, the things he's afraid of aren't real?
Is it just as bad for me to do a show where I relish in his election night lows?
Obviously, the answer to that is no.
It wouldn't be just as bad for me to do that.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course not.
dan friesen
It would be totally cool.
It may be fun.
It would be great.
jordan holmes
I'd love it.
dan friesen
But also, I'm not going to do that, but for slightly different reasons.
What Alex Jones did on election night literally doesn't matter.
We can mock his freaking out and yelling the same bullshit he yells every day.
We can discuss his very dubious claim that he decided not to go on Rogan's live stream of his own accord.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We can talk about his obvious intentions to incite violence, but here's the thing: the most disrespectful thing I think you can do in terms of Alex's election night coverage is to treat it how it deserves to be treated.
And that's to say, who gives a shit?
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
You asshole.
jordan holmes
Yeah, get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
The lashing out, the tears, the yelling about demons, it's all meaningless.
Some pills might have gotten sold, but if I'm going for Schadenfreud, I'm not going halfway.
And saying, we'll talk about your election coverage sometime, but it's totally not important now, that's way harsher than playing clips of Alex yelling nonsense and then saying, haha, your guy lost.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
So we're going to talk about the election coverage another time.
Maybe a year from now.
Who knows?
I don't know.
But it's not out of respect for Alex and his crew in this difficult time, but out of a deeper disrespect.
I like it.
So fuck all of you in InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is a straight-up needful things twist that you have right here.
dan friesen
The reality is that Alex is now entering uncharted territory.
His audience has been led to believe that any non-Trump win would be the result of large-scale election fraud, thereby making any Biden presidency illegitimate.
Further, he's extensively characterized his opponents, from high-level politicians to street-level activists as pedophiles and vampires in the employ of the literal Christian devil.
Over and over again, he said that Trump getting elected was the equivalent of the biblical story of God giving a reprieve to Nineveh.
In that story, Jonah is enlisted by God to warn the people of Nineveh to repent of their evil ways, but he decides to go somewhere else.
He ends up getting swallowed by a whale and then realizes, I got a job to do.
So he goes to Nineveh after he gets out of the whale.
And then he convinces everyone there to repent, thereby saving the city from God's judgment and destruction.
According to the way Alex characterizes Trump's role as being reminiscent of this story, combined with the people of the United States not deciding to repent by getting on board with Trump, this naturally leads to a different conclusion than Jonah's story.
jordan holmes
We're all going to get eaten by a bigger whale.
dan friesen
This is kind of more like Sodom and Gomorrah in the way that Alex is characterizing it.
If you take Alex seriously, Alex has taught his audience that his enemies are literal demons, dead set on the killing of the entire planet to appease Lucifer and turn into robots or whatever, and that Trump was the U.S.'s only chance to repent and be saved.
Now that that has been passed, it seems like it's time to become a full-on Wrath of God doomsday preacher.
That's one possible avenue Alex could be going down.
I honestly have no idea what Alex's pivot will be, but I'm interested to see how much of this stuff he retains and how much he just pretends.
I never said that shit.
His audience is captured, so he could just start walking another direction, and as long as he talks fast enough and jingles those keys around, he'll retain some percentage of the audience.
Some new lieutenant colonel will tell Alex about some new piece of intel that'll make everything make sense, how they're still good guys fighting off the devil inside the government or something.
We'll see what he ends up doing, but I've learned not just to assume that the boat is going to sink because it looks like, boy, that boat is gonna sink.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex still has a few cards left to play.
jordan holmes
The boat should have enough holes in it and his box should have no air holes in it.
And that should be enough to take him down, but it doesn't seem to be.
dan friesen
For sure.
So I'm going to leave desperate and intensely boring electoral Alex to his games.
He can try to whip up excitement about his attempt at branding Trump's lame duck session as the 79 Days of Hell, but I don't think that's going to catch on.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Alex even loses interest in it before January comes around.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
But where does that leave us?
What are we going to cover here for today's episode, episode 500?
Well, I've found that this show works best when I follow my heart and my instincts.
And there's only one thing that I want to talk about today, and that's how InfoWars has been reeling at the beginning of this 79 days of hell.
We could talk about Alex going to Maricopa County on Thursday and using an adult-sized bullhorn to yell about how they needed to stop counting ballots, but honestly, that just seems like a waste of time.
The race in Arizona has been called for Biden, and honestly, that wasn't much more than a sad and entirely predictable publicity stunt on Alex's part.
No, that would be a waste of time.
What I want to discuss is something far more important, which is what happens to a propaganda outlet that's run by a tyrannical central authority when their anointed God-King is losing an election and their tyrannical central authority runs off to Arizona to do a publicity stunt.
How does the leaderless and almost certainly confused underling who works there, how do they keep the operation going?
How do they respond?
jordan holmes
Wait, how long has he been gone?
dan friesen
Well, he's back now, but in the period, he left on Thursday after his show.
I think he got back on like Saturday.
jordan holmes
Okay, so for two days, he just wasn't there.
dan friesen
He might have been back on Friday.
I'm not entirely sure.
We're going to be covering Thursday evening into Friday morning.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And just sort of what goes on when the daddy's gone.
jordan holmes
So we're going to watch a bunch of incompetent people scramble around.
It's going to be fantastic.
dan friesen
A little bit.
We're also going to hear Alex's show on Thursday.
A bit of that as well.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I present to you, Jordan, episode 500, or why InfoWars doesn't work without Alex.
Okay.
But before we get down to business on that, got to give a shout out to folks who have made these past 500 episodes possible.
jordan holmes
Oh, nicely done.
dan friesen
So first, Kevkev, please, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Kevkev.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, DJ Booth.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, DJ Booth.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
Next, SickFucker.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, sick fucker.
dan friesen
Also, that's just all vowels taken out.
I didn't know how else to, I couldn't just say.
Anyway.
Dr. Milton Wigglesworth.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Dr. Milton.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Antifa Boogeyman.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Ah, thank you very much, Antifa Boogeyman.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Amber A. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Amber.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Christopher R. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Christopher.
alex jones
Thank you.
dan friesen
And then I'd like to give a shout out to someone who donated on elevated level, and we appreciate that very much.
And this person has a bone to pick with someone named Peter from Denmark, one of our listeners, who is the ordained ruler of the wonks in Denmark.
jordan holmes
I did not know that.
dan friesen
There apparently is tension in Denmark.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And there may actually be a bit of a feud.
jordan holmes
Are you saying there's literally trouble in Denmark?
dan friesen
There may be trouble in Denmark.
All right, okay.
We have a contender for the title of Blank of Denmark.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So we have Peter from Denmark, who's now been the from Denmark.
jordan holmes
He's the only from Denmark.
dan friesen
But now we have Dines M from Denmark.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, Mike.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brood.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We got to go full-telt buggy on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare info war on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Dines.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much, Dines.
dan friesen
I'm going to stay out of this conflict and see who comes out on top of it.
Say that I was always on this side of the world.
jordan holmes
What are you, Ireland?
Come on now.
dan friesen
Finally, a special wonk shout-out I'd like to make is to Bex, who sent us a wonderful care package a while back.
I thought that we'd done the whole Technocrat shout-out, but I believe we might have forgotten, or maybe I'm not entirely sure what happens.
jordan holmes
I believe we've already done it in the past.
dan friesen
Maybe.
That's awful of us if we did mess up or miss it.
So I want to attempt to right this wrong by declaring that Bex, you're not a technocrat.
No, no, no, no.
You're a Raptor princess.
And in honor of that, I've made a special drop.
There was a request that we use the old Technocrat drop because it included the Daddy Shark clip, but I decided that it would be better if I just made a new one, which also included the Daddy Shark.
jordan holmes
45 seconds of just the daddy shark one on repeat, isn't it?
dan friesen
That'd be great.
So thank you so much, Bex.
Also, thank you for there.
We got a special episode 500 package that we're going to be opening on a bonus episode that'll be out on Friday from Bex.
I don't know what's in it, but it looks cool.
jordan holmes
It's very exciting.
dan friesen
It's very thoughtful.
jordan holmes
It's very exciting.
dan friesen
It's awesome.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
We appreciate you very much, and my apologies that I'm absolutely terrible at social media correspondences.
Someone's going out to you, Bex.
Thank you so much.
You are now a Raptor Princess.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
You know, they got baby shark.
Indite Hillary Clinton.
It's fun to laugh at Alex Shones.
jordan holmes
It's fun.
alex jones
No, my religion is facts.
Get that through your pee brain.
They got Mama Shark.
unidentified
Beep, I'm dead inside.
alex jones
I have no guilt.
I'm a really good guy.
There's three ways to learn, or maybe four.
unidentified
I am that messiah.
What can I do?
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bump.
I hate myself, and I feel like a complete failure.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Max.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Max.
That's a wonderful new drop.
dan friesen
It will never be played again.
jordan holmes
Never be played again.
dan friesen
One time only.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
All right.
So, Jordan, now let's jump into this episode.
jordan holmes
Let's do it.
dan friesen
Because we are deep into this already.
All right.
So we're going to start here on November 5th.
We are past the election.
Alex is reeling.
You know, the count is still going on, but all indications are that, you know, things are not looking that great for Trump to win.
There's a number of paths, but they all involve winning Pennsylvania.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And then some other things also.
Yeah.
Hope is getting, you know, at that point, it's getting to the area where some conservatives are talking rebrand.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Alex is a little bit like Wiley Coyote in that Trump is the roadrunner who painted the way forward on the wall, and Alex is the one who crashes headfirst into reality.
It's ugly.
dan friesen
He hits the barbed wire.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, not good.
dan friesen
So here's where he's at.
alex jones
And let me give you the big announcement here.
If Joe Biden gets in, they're never getting rid of the lockdown.
Think about that.
It's a lot bigger than just kicking Trump out and flooding everything with fake ballots, using the lockdown as the cover for it.
They want to bankrupt us and then have us have an app to be able to leave our front door and step one foot outside of our house.
That is the admitted globalist ChiCom plan.
dan friesen
So I guess that's now the angle: if Biden gets in, then the lockdown is never going to end.
COVID's here forever or something.
jordan holmes
I kind of think that one might even be hard for his followers to buy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Really, you're going to say that Joe Biden is just going to say, everyone stay inside.
dan friesen
Also, what do you want us to do now?
The election's over.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
What are you trying to do?
jordan holmes
Also, furthermore, the lockdown already happened and nobody listened to it anyways.
What's Biden going to change about that?
He's going to have even less evil fucking DHS coming into people's lives.
dan friesen
He seems probably less willing to use a lot of the force that Trump has been.
jordan holmes
I mean, except for against left-wing protesters.
dan friesen
Well, but look, man, there was an election and it was fraught with fraud.
There was a lot of it.
jordan holmes
I don't remember that.
dan friesen
Well, maybe you didn't hear about this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And there's videos of what appear to be Chinese individuals in Michigan arriving with those ballots at 4 a.m. illegally and going into the buildings with ballot boxes that then were all for Biden.
The arrogance level is so atrocious.
dan friesen
I don't even know.
jordan holmes
So is he implying that China sent people from China to Michigan with marked ballots for Biden?
These marked ballots ostensibly also coming from China.
dan friesen
Well, and the box itself is the only thing that you probably see in the video.
So it has to say ballots for Biden on the box.
jordan holmes
With the Chinese flag.
That's the only thing that makes sense.
dan friesen
There were a bunch of these videos that were going around.
There were like drastic misrepresentations of things.
There was one that was a television crew that was unloading gear that people thought were ballots going in.
Then there was a video that went around that was actually from like years ago in Russia that people were just saying was from one of these states.
Yeah, there's just a hundred of these things.
And Alex has really latched on to the idea that there was a suspicious, possibly Chinese person.
jordan holmes
Man, that's real.
That's just real sad on a conspiracy level of just like, man, they could have mailed them to San Francisco and had a white person drive them there.
Why would you fly directly from China to the what did they land on top of the ballot counting building in a helicopter?
dan friesen
Look, there's a lot of problems with this from like just sort of a real world perspective.
Sure.
But you listen to it and you can kind of hear what his, like where he's coming from.
You can see why this is the story that he's telling.
So Alex is, I would say, pretty close to line.
And that line is what I like to call the saying, hey, let's do some offensive violence line.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
He's pretty close to that line.
alex jones
They are involved in a revolution fully conquering the United States and killing our republic.
And they're hammering the last nails into the damn coffin to bury us alive as slaves of their system.
So I'm not a macho guy.
I don't say things just to say them, but I'll tell you this.
Yeah, you do.
I'm not going to launch any offensive violence at this point because I've not had time to really think about the right course in history.
But I know this.
If we let them steal this election and we let them put a Chinese communist agent who's fully compromised with all the proof in there to have control of the nuclear codes, all of us are aiding and abetting the destruction of our country and the handover to the most authoritarian nation the world's ever seen, communist China.
And I will not be an accomplice and I will not aid and abet this type of takeover.
dan friesen
So if I understand correctly what he's saying, first of all, I have to take issue with the idea that he said, I haven't had time to think about.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You've done nothing but talk about this.
jordan holmes
I would suggest that you have been thinking about this almost nonstop.
unidentified
1995.
Yeah.
You've been talking about it on airs.
jordan holmes
That's pretty much the only thing you've been talking about.
dan friesen
I haven't given any thought to when you start being violent.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Wow.
alex jones
The course of history, blah, blah, blah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what is the course of history?
dan friesen
Now, if you understand what he's saying, he's saying that Joe Biden is controlled by China.
Yes.
So if we, by we, I mean Alex and the Patriots, if we allow Joe Biden to take office with the nuclear codes and what have you, you are complicit in aiding and abetting the Chinese communist takeover.
So, I mean, that would be the Joe Biden getting into office would be the condition then for offensive violence, right?
Yeah, that's the only thing that's the only way you can understand the sentence.
jordan holmes
Him saying all of this is simply, I am not counseling actual violence until they're swearing him in, I guess.
But once they swear him in, well, yeah, we got to blow it up because they're the most authoritarian.
dan friesen
Or if you could do something that you could conceivably argue is going to stop him from being sworn in.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
Right on that line.
jordan holmes
Put a limousine in front of the gates to the White House if he can't get in, buddy.
Guess what?
He never becomes president.
dan friesen
Alex is doing well.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think so.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex is just, it's bland.
I would describe this show as flat.
There's very little going on that even piques my interest at all.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just the hits.
It's just kind of like him saying the same things and kind of hitting his bases.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
These are criminals that have brokered the sellout of America and they want a position in the global government and they want to atomize the family and domesticate us so we can never rise again and never resist the nightmare future they've got for all of us.
The chains are going on right now.
You're being disenfranchised.
All of us are.
So we better work peacefully now so that war does not become inevitable.
But we are now entering this season of war.
Our country is at war for its very life.
You are under attack.
You are being conquered.
You are being taken over.
We are in the midst of a Chi-Com-backed attempted takeover of the country, and we're losing right now.
dan friesen
I just can't feel anything hearing that anymore.
jordan holmes
Yeah, honestly.
Personally, I was thinking about it whenever we heard the first clip of him talking, and then I realized that right now, the only thing I'm interested in really is: is he going to take the plunge, you know?
dan friesen
What is he going to do?
jordan holmes
What is he going to do?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Are you going to take the leap or are you going to back off?
And if you back off, fuck you forever.
And if you take the leap, all right, now let's see what's happening.
dan friesen
And also, fuck you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and also fuck you.
dan friesen
Or do you pivot?
Do you change your whole brand to God?
Like, do you do that?
Do you become televangelist, Alex?
jordan holmes
I mean, that seems to be the way to make way better money than what he's doing.
dan friesen
And it seems like a place where he could play a lot more games about state oppression.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because if he turned Infowars into an actual church, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
If he pivoted to becoming Scientology and then just made it his entire life's mission to be a non-profit or for the government not to tax him.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
I can see that working.
dan friesen
Yeah, that might be the next best thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So I agree.
I agree with you.
It's like, I'm not really interested in yelling about the Chinese.
I'm really, you know, maybe it's just a momentary thing, but I'm a little bit bored by the waffle-around offensive violence.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's just like, we know what you're doing.
It's not really.
Yeah.
I'm not interested in his going to Phoenix to yell into a bullhorn that much.
I'm not that interested in it.
I'm a little bit interested.
jordan holmes
I think the bullhorn was too big for me to be that interested.
dan friesen
I agree.
I agree.
I think he got some notes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
I think somebody might have told him that the tiny bullhorn was a source of humor.
dan friesen
I mean, you know, it's just, yeah.
The thing that is the most interesting is like, what are you going to do?
Yeah, don't you have a problem, and I want to see how you fix it.
jordan holmes
Or at least I want to see how you deal with it because I don't think you're going to fix it.
dan friesen
That's probably a good note.
Yeah, good correction.
So one of the things he's doing right now is what we see him do a lot at times when I think people could probably predict that there's going to be a possibility for some violence.
I think any right-thinking person, I'm not making any specific prediction or anything, but I do think that as we get closer to the inauguration, we do see probably an increased danger of some kind of right-wing violence.
I don't know that it's going to happen, and it very well may not, but I think the odds of some kind of a thing happening maybe possible.
I think Alex recognizes that, and so he goes out of his way to very consistently talk about how false flags are coming.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
alex jones
Well, I promise you this, I'm not giving up ever.
Because I know the more I bend over, the worse stuff gets.
And I will not sit here and be part of this.
Now, that doesn't mean they blow something up and say I did it.
I'd never do that.
dan friesen
Okay, cool.
We see this all the time.
And it's the times that I think that Alex is most keenly aware that people in his communities might blow something up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that this is a good strategy for him to preemptively characterize anything as them false flagging in order to make us look bad.
But it's incessant.
He goes on this tip quite a bit.
alex jones
And the enemy's next phase will be to frame us as terrorists or evil.
And they will stage terror attacks and blame it on us to then discredit any resistance.
But we need to be ahead of that to understand that.
And there are other forms of civil disobedience and things in the threat continuum of projection before we get to that point.
But it is our right.
It is our duty to resist this by every means necessary.
And we are now at war for our very existence.
America is on the edge of death.
dan friesen
So if you understand that, man, kind of what he's saying is that the enemy is going to false flag themselves in order to make Alex and his friends look bad.
And they got to be careful about that.
But also, I should tell you that there's something called the threat continuum projection.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And then also, we have the right to commit terrorism.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
If we want to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm confused as to how it is you can play a game like this where it's like, hey, we would never do those terror attacks.
It's a false flag.
But whenever it does happen, then the people are going to be like, yeah, good job.
We do terror attacks.
We love terror.
Is everybody a false flagger on the far right?
Is the entire far right?
Is all of the Boogaloos a fucking false flag?
dan friesen
I think Alex thinks that.
jordan holmes
That might be true.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He said that they were like a cutout group or something.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Was that?
dan friesen
I think he says that they're Antifa.
jordan holmes
Was Larry Nichols' last act to false flag us with the Proud Boys and the No.
Do you think so?
dan friesen
Yeah, he did some witchcraft.
jordan holmes
I think he might have.
dan friesen
Oh, speaking of which, I was going through, like, I was making that new drop.
And so I was going through like these old folders of episodes.
And like, whenever I do that, I end up finding something that I completely forgotten about.
Like, did you remember that a year ago, Alex was saying that the queen had joined the Patriots side?
Do you remember that?
jordan holmes
I do remember that.
What the shit?
That's right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I've completely forgotten.
There was like a two-day stretch where Alex thought that the queen had succumbed to Donald Trump's.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think that's going to be something fun.
If we ever do look back on these four years, like whenever it'll be funny again in 50, you know, we'll look back and we'll be like, at one point in time, Alex said literally everyone he's hated before was a patriot and also that he hates them later.
And so everyone, it's everyone.
dan friesen
The queen has flipped her dictator switch.
jordan holmes
The pope is evil.
But the pope likes this.
Well, the pope is good today.
steve pieczenik
Yeah.
dan friesen
But someone who Alex would never speak ill of Stephen Miller.
Now or 500 years from now is his brother-in-law.
I don't know who this dude is.
Okay.
But apparently his brother-in-law caught some election fraud.
jordan holmes
So, okay.
dan friesen
We have Alex's wife's tennis partner informing us about Antifa attacks.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And Alex's brother-in-law coming in with some big scoops.
jordan holmes
So helpful.
alex jones
And then my own brother-in-law, who I've never seen get mad in the many years I've known him, calls up shaking yesterday.
And I go, what's wrong?
He goes, I just, guy had 50 ballots.
He's down here at Congress.
Post office.
He had 50 of them.
He was filling them out his name.
They were taking them.
They didn't do anything.
I said, why didn't you videotape it?
Well, I'm in the post office.
It's a federal thing if you do that.
He knows the law.
I mean, see, we follow the law.
They don't.
And he was shaking with anger.
I said, come on the air.
And he goes, well, I don't really want to do that.
I don't want to be on TV.
I said, cut an audio piece.
Send me a voice memo.
He did.
We'll play it next second.
jordan holmes
Don't you dare fucking give me a goddamn break.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
It's against the law.
dan friesen
Yeah, I found Globalists committing.
jordan holmes
I saw Mass Voter Fraud and I was like, I follow the law.
I will not videotape this crime.
I would never, as a far-right person, I would never videotape a crime.
unidentified
Here's this thing that my brother-in-law yells about all the time.
I have proof that can make him look not crazy.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
unidentified
I can't pull out my phone.
jordan holmes
Don't you think there's that?
If that really happened, there's a moment in his head where he's like, no.
dan friesen
Well, here is his testimony because he did record it on the board.
unidentified
He did record it.
dan friesen
Okay, good.
And it's meaningless.
unidentified
I went to the post office today to drip off some packages with some products.
And there's this guy there, real sketchy looking.
And he had a grocery bag filled up with about 50 mailing ballots.
And he was taking pictures of them, taking pictures of himself and filling them out right there on the counter.
And I could only see the ballot that he had in front of him on the counter and the one on the top of the bag, but they had the same signatures, same information on them.
And he was just taking pictures, doing one last check, marking some things, and then putting them straight in the ballot box right in front of everyone, right on the counter.
And no one did anything.
And I was thinking about doing something, but all I could think about was, you know, me getting some kind of federal charge for interfering with the election with this guy, putting in, you know, 50 ballots.
jordan holmes
That is what you would be doing late.
unidentified
Because I don't think they're supposed to accept them now.
But, I mean, if you have a lot of these people doing that, it's going to add up.
And the only reason you would do it is to try to overturn what the state has already decided.
And Texas is red.
So one can only assume that these votes, all 50 of them, are going to Joe Biden.
dan friesen
This, this guy shows.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
I mean, he's the brother-in-law, so he's not related by blood.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But there's something about being close to the Jones family that just makes you good at figuring things out, good at investigating.
There's like something in their family, in their extended family, that makes them not jump to conclusions about stuff and really just get to the bottom of it.
jordan holmes
Damn.
dan friesen
I admire that.
jordan holmes
If you need somebody to help you fill out your ballot, does that person also need to sign the ballot?
dan friesen
They do, yeah.
I mean, this person could have been like a proxy or something.
jordan holmes
Could have just gone to a nursing home.
dan friesen
Yeah, that is a possibility.
Or, I mean, if he's saying that this is like after election day, they might not have been ballots.
They could just be anything.
I don't trust this guy's instincts.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
I have no idea what he did or didn't see.
I don't even know if he's Alex's brother-in-law.
jordan holmes
Quick question.
Did he mail in his ballot?
I doubt it.
Does he know what a mail-in ballot would look like?
dan friesen
No idea.
I don't trust any of this.
And I love the part at the end that was like, the only reason you do this is to try and change things.
And Texas went red.
So therefore, all of these votes went blue.
All these votes that I have just decided are 50.
I didn't count them.
I have no fucking idea.
They must all be for Biden.
What if they're all for Trump?
Dum-dum?
You can't prove anything.
Can't even prove these are ballots.
jordan holmes
Furthermore, Texas has already gone.
I suppose they hadn't called the other states by this time.
Okay, that's fair.
dan friesen
Alex tries to make sense of this that they're being sent from Texas to other states.
jordan holmes
Oh, you guys got to work on this.
dan friesen
Yeah, if that's the case, I mean, it's 50 votes.
I don't know what kind of, I don't know.
I think this is stupid.
jordan holmes
Trump won Texas by a million.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex thinks that there's only one solution.
alex jones
I think we just call for a new election.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
So he wants a new election.
jordan holmes
I can't think of anything everyone in the United States agrees is the worst idea that anyone could ever do.
alex jones
Run it again.
jordan holmes
More than let's do it again.
The most stressful time.
It doesn't matter what team you're on.
Don't do it again.
Just anything but that.
dan friesen
Okay, fine.
Fine.
Let's not do another election.
jordan holmes
Anything but that.
dan friesen
How about we nullify this one?
jordan holmes
Okay, but then we'll have to do it.
alex jones
I'm playing all the clips when we come back.
But I'm going to say this right now.
Whatever happens with Trump, he's done the right thing fighting this, but he didn't fight the censorship like he should have.
But we're in the bed we're in now.
We're going to have to sleep in it.
But if we get the point out that it's a Chikom globalist takeover and it's the end of the country as we know it, and that it's illegal, not just that they're stealing the election, but when you have Chinese and foreign backing, it nullifies what's happened.
And if we stand on that and say, you try to nullify Trump saying he was a Russian with no proof, we're going to nullify Biden 100%.
We're going to demand Mitch McConnell and all of them do it and not have a fake investigation because we've got him red-handed being a Chi-Com agent.
And that's what's so dangerous.
dan friesen
That's super constitutional.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
We're going to nullify his election.
I'm going to have Mitch McConnell do it without a trial because he's red-handed.
You know, if you're caught red-handed, you still go to trial for a crime.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
It's like in the old West, if you get caught killing somebody, they just hang you right then and there.
It's that simple.
dan friesen
If you get caught in the act, you're still called an alleged killer.
jordan holmes
Nope, nope.
Unless you're a far-right murderer, in which case, well, of course, you didn't even actually do it.
dan friesen
Here's a false flag.
So, yeah, I guess Alex wants to annul this.
This isn't going to work.
I don't think so.
jordan holmes
I don't think so.
dan friesen
Now, one thing that I thought was really strange was this is like all, like I said, flat, feels like nothing.
And then Alex has a guest on, and this guest, I don't know what the fuck he was doing.
So this person is named Amanda Milius.
And she is the daughter of John Milius.
He is the director of Conan the Barbarian, Apocalypse Now, and of course, Red Dawn, Alex's favorite documentary, Red Dawn.
jordan holmes
He was the director of Apocalypse Now?
dan friesen
Or maybe producer.
Oh, I'm not sure.
He was involved in Apocalypse.
jordan holmes
Okay, I was going to say because there's a pretty famous guy who directed Apocalypse.
It wasn't that guy.
Yeah, sorry.
If you researched into it and it turns out that it wasn't him at all, then we've got a whole story.
dan friesen
He might not have directed any of those.
He might have produced them.
He wrote them or something.
Screenplay.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
He's in the middle.
dan friesen
He's in the mix.
jordan holmes
He's involved.
Whatever.
dan friesen
And yeah.
So Amanda, she's become a Trump propagandist.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
And she just released a film called The Plot Against the President.
And so she is in, and she has some interesting things to talk about.
jordan holmes
I love this film.
amanda milius
You were a huge part of why I left Hollywood.
I was listening to Infowars all the time.
And I left and I went and I volunteered in 2016 in Nevada, which, by the way, Nevada is a huge battleground for us right now.
Nevada is where everything's happening.
And I ended up leaving Hollywood completely and joining the Trump administration, working at the State Department.
alex jones
How proud is your family of you?
amanda milius
They're pretty happy.
alex jones
No, you had some, you're already being successful in Hollywood.
I admire the fact that you cut bait with those guys.
dan friesen
Not to be a dick, but Amanda Millius is not somebody who you would say walked away from a vibrant career in Hollywood.
If you check out her IMDb page, she has two primary credits as a director: one being this new Trump film, and the other one a 2015 short called The Lotus Gun.
Her only credits as a performer are as herself in a documentary about her dad and appearances on Tucker Carlson and Sebastian Gorka's shows, most likely promoting Trump and her new propaganda film.
jordan holmes
That would make sense.
dan friesen
It's all good to do this interview and be like, hey, look at this famous movie person's daughter who likes Trump, but it's entirely another thing to pretend that she was like an A or B or even C list person and then walked away from it to get on board with Trump.
That's insulting to her and to us as listeners.
jordan holmes
Look at this important movie person.
Of course, his daughter, independent of his success, has also become a massive success in the film industry.
What was that?
No?
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you heard there.
She said she worked in the State Department.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
She apparently was involved in Trump's State Department.
She had some kind of a role in that.
And so there is a feeling of her being here almost in an official capacity.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The fact that you made this Trump propaganda film that you just released while she had been working at the State Department is just a bizarre.
It seems inappropriate.
jordan holmes
I don't think someone with less than my resume should work at the State Department.
And I don't think I should work at the State Department, Dan.
dan friesen
I don't know what was going on, but everything felt wrong about this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then it got even worse because we introduced another weirdo into the mix.
All right.
alex jones
So you can introduce you better than I can.
I love Ali Alexander.
He's been on fire a long time, but you were talking about how he just suddenly brought all this together and reached out as a catalyst.
He months ago was saying, Stop the still getting it ready, but it's an example to others.
He just reached out, got a bunch of key people together, and now this is a super viral movement.
dan friesen
So Allie Alexander is this, you know, the zealot weirdo who's been coming on Alex's show a bit.
And now he's involved in something called Stop the Steel, which is, you know, they're doing the, you know, I don't know.
It's maybe the catchphrase of a lot of these totally not astroturfed.
jordan holmes
100% grassroots.
dan friesen
I don't care.
Whatever.
I'm more interested in the fact that I only remember this because we just talked about it.
Stop the Steel was the name of the thing that Roger Stone was involved in in 2016.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
That was Roger Stone's whole thing that he got sued about.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
2016 is the year all their evil tricks worked, and 2020 is the year they almost worked.
But everybody found them far more disappointing and sad this time.
unidentified
But it's also super weird.
dan friesen
Like, it's the same name.
jordan holmes
It's the same name.
Why?
What are you going to copyright it for your protest movement?
dan friesen
It seems very strange to me.
It makes me wonder if Roger is somehow involved, but I have no idea.
He is nowhere to be found.
jordan holmes
Does Roger still have the email address at Yahoo?
Yeah, probably.
dan friesen
So Allie wants sort of the same thing Alex wants.
It was a new election.
But only in the states that Trump lost.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Well, because there can't be a recount.
unidentified
You know?
Unfortunately, even winning Nevada wouldn't put us over the top.
That puts us at 265 or 266.
We have to win Pennsylvania.
And look, I know it's not popular.
The Republican Party doesn't want me to say this, but we need a revote in Wisconsin and we need a revote in Michigan.
The fraud is so rot there, and we are going to get a recount in Wisconsin.
But here's what I'm afraid of, Alex.
I think the Democrats have baited us into a rigged recount.
dan friesen
Don Don.
unidentified
Recount trap.
jordan holmes
Guys.
dan friesen
Classic recount.
jordan holmes
Guys.
You just lost.
We didn't bait you into a recount trap.
No one wants a recount.
dan friesen
It's a classic recount trap.
jordan holmes
That's not even a thing.
That's not even a thing.
That's a recount trap.
dan friesen
It's a setup.
jordan holmes
When was the last recount trap that happened?
dan friesen
Every election since Hoover.
jordan holmes
That's a recount trap.
So this is what he thinks the Democrats' big prestige is at the end of the film.
They're like, ha ha, and we wanted you to do the recount the whole time.
dan friesen
We won the state, and we want you to force a recount so we can also win.
jordan holmes
We can also win again more.
So we can win more this time.
dan friesen
Cool, Allie.
Can't imagine why the Republican Party doesn't want you talking for it.
Strange.
So he believes, Allie believes that Trump's just got to seize power.
unidentified
Well, we certainly need to use the full weight of the federal government.
And what we got to do is we, the people, have to say, you have a mandate to do that.
President Trump got more votes than any candidate in American history.
The idea, just visualize this.
Go to your child and ask him, do you think that Joe Biden would be the top vote getter in American history?
No, nobody believes that.
And so we know that it's rigged.
They just had a plus one system rigged in every Republican ballot that came in.
They found a dead person.
They found a COVID ballot.
Somebody did a mail-in ballot and then voted in on election day too.
They rigged the election.
There's nobody who's going to believe that Joe Biden is the most popular politician in American history.
alex jones
I agree with you.
dan friesen
One from you, two for me.
jordan holmes
So excuse me.
dan friesen
Did he just imagine?
jordan holmes
Did we win by what 66% of the popular vote was?
dan friesen
Most of them.
Yeah, this is dumb.
I would say don't ask your child this question and then assume anything.
Because you know what?
A lot of trivia is surprising.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And sometimes you'll be surprised by facts.
jordan holmes
Ask like a six-year-old with no prior actual experience and really no understanding of the American system at all whether or not Biden would be the most popular candidate in history.
dan friesen
I would guarantee that no one would think that in a bubble, Biden would get the most votes of anybody ever.
But I think given the circumstances, if you look at the context, it makes a little more sense.
And if you consider like, huh, a lot of that is voting against Trump, it makes sense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But so Allie is like, yeah, Trump had to have won because you can't imagine.
Even a child couldn't imagine that someone likes Biden more.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's not good thinking, buddy.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
That's real bad.
dan friesen
So this guy sucks.
And he leaves.
And Amanda and Alex start talking about like, what happened with Drudge, man?
Drudge is gone.
jordan holmes
Oh, guys.
dan friesen
He doesn't like us anymore.
jordan holmes
Guys.
amanda milius
Press.
alex jones
What happened to Drudge?
amanda milius
You tell me.
You know him.
Everybody thinks he was kidnapped and there's somebody else in place because this is very bizarre, his behavior this year.
It's very weird.
It's not helpful, is what it is.
But whatever his game is, I'm not super into it.
But anyway, but yeah, people.
alex jones
Well, I'm not into it either.
I mean, was he blackmailed?
Was he kidnapped?
I mean, they're willing to do anything.
No, I think he was at the White House summit.
I didn't listen to him.
He saw some betrayals.
He got really pissed.
They weren't standing up against censorship.
And Steve Bannon through the grapevine told me that CNN leased it.
amanda milius
That's what it seems like.
alex jones
No, CNN leased it.
But then I'm like, okay, I don't believe Steve Bannon because of what Roger Stone said.
I'm not going to get in the middle of it.
I think Steve Overall's a good guy.
I don't want to be mad at him.
I don't want to have fights with people.
I'm not trying to be a Washington guy.
I don't care.
I don't get in the middle of it.
But then I look at CNN and then I look at Drudge and it's their flavor.
It's their signature.
unidentified
It is.
amanda milius
It is.
It matches very, very well.
alex jones
Yeah, Drudge Report's now CNN.
dan friesen
Yeah, Drudge Report's now CNN.
jordan holmes
Man, when we go back to the stakes where it's like he's saying nonsense like Drudge Report is leasing the Drudge Report to CNN.
Yeah.
What's the contract like?
What's this seriously clandestine contract too?
Because you can't really.
dan friesen
Is there an option?
jordan holmes
Otherwise, there's no point.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Is it hard?
Look.
jordan holmes
Does everybody get to share or is it like the Super Bowl thing where you can only buy ads at a certain time?
dan friesen
Let's pretend this means anything.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
If this does mean something, then imagine that the hero of your media sphere, the guy who has directed the course of conservative talk radio for the last like 20 years, since the Clinton days, the guy who can make or break people.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
The guy who brought us Andrew Breitbart and therefore brought us Breitbart, brought us James O'Keefe.
jordan holmes
You got it.
dan friesen
The guy who's like responsible for so many shitheads.
He's also someone whose site you can lease.
jordan holmes
See, but that's something that I think they would buy.
unidentified
Well, that would be.
jordan holmes
I'm a grifter.
He's a grifter.
dan friesen
But that would kind of imply that he's had a lease prior.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Who was he leased out to prior?
Who is he working for?
jordan holmes
Murdoch can't afford his prices anymore.
Now it's just CNN.
dan friesen
Is that the implication?
jordan holmes
I think that might be the implication.
dan friesen
Let's wrestle with that, Alex.
Because I think Alex actually kind of touched on what probably could be a reasonable explanation.
And that is that Drudge got led in a little bit, saw the disorder, saw the quote-unquote betrayals, recognized that Trump wasn't taking the issues of online censorship seriously, which is something that he would be super interested in given his brand and his entire market space.
jordan holmes
You would think.
dan friesen
And so he followed his principle, which is I can't support this anymore or whatever.
jordan holmes
I mean, the guy wants to get rid of 230.
I aggregate conservative media.
So I am fucked if they do that.
Surprise, I'm now a single-issue voter.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And your guy is going to kill my business.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so I think that Alex kind of recognized, he kind of gave up the game that he understands actually what's going on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But you got to play some fun thing with like he's getting leased out by CNN or he's kidnapped or blackmailed.
unidentified
Yeah, or not.
jordan holmes
Have a fun time with that.
dan friesen
Nah, whatever, dudes.
So there's another question.
Not only what's up with Matt Drudge, what's up with Trump?
Where's he been?
alex jones
Let me ask you this question because you are an insider for the patriot movement.
I was flipping out the day after the election saying, okay, he gave a 3 a.m. speech.
It was amazing.
I want to see him Oval Office addressing every fraud, fireside chat, graphs showing it.
You know, Gateway Punning, I think he's doing the best job overall analysis.
Info Wars on video the best, but I don't care.
I just want to win.
He should be up there showing it.
But then he's been dead silent for a day and a half.
And then talking to the crew, they all separately.
I went to different offices.
I respect people's actual view.
I say, I was missing it.
I'm like, where is he?
And he's up front attacking.
They go, he's waiting for the people to mobilize.
And he's going to see what we do.
It's now up to us.
And I think that clicked.
Is that an accurate statement?
unidentified
That is a great leader.
jordan holmes
As our fearless leader, he has decided to allow us to choose what he will do based upon our disorganized actions.
dan friesen
I've concocted a way to look at this.
So if shit goes bad, it's kind of our fault.
Trump put the ball in our court and we just didn't storm the buildings or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Trump is a genius.
He's just saying, hey, people, you do whatever you're to do.
unidentified
What a leader.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I'm almost like, God damn it.
America can't even get a good dictate, a good dictator.
Like, we're just shitty people.
We're just shitty people who got a shitty dictator.
Other places know how to get a fucking dictator.
Russia's had 30 dictators.
They know what they're doing.
dan friesen
It's a little strange.
The position that Alex has put in is like he's presented this guy as like strong, competent, and a good leader.
And then now in a position where everything is pretty uncertain, things are tense.
There's election counting going on.
Trump's nowhere to be found.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He's not assuming a leadership position.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
The thing he's supposed to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And you can do that without asserting power or claiming you won the election.
You can still be visible and say, you know, this is going along.
The process is moving.
We support the vote counters.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
You know, there is a way to do that and still give the appearance that someone's here.
Someone's in charge.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And instead, no, Alex even recognizes, I don't fucking know.
I don't even know if I've seen Trump since election night.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And no one knows what to do.
And if you look at all of the people on the, like, this is maybe another thing that we got lucky with.
Because Trump's such an actually shitty leader, everybody went ape shit in their own little pockets.
Like throughout all of election night and as the votes have come in and they declared it for Biden, you see more of those little pockets of everybody frantically discussing with all their friends, but there's no unified we're going to do this.
It's everybody's separate, like, I don't know what to do.
Q hasn't said anything.
I don't know what to do.
I don't know what to do with this.
dan friesen
Did you say anything?
amanda milius
I don't know.
jordan holmes
We have no leaders.
dan friesen
Yeah, and actually, that leads us to our next clip because there's a phenomenon that Amanda discusses that I think is really interesting.
jordan holmes
Power vacuum.
amanda milius
Cernovich got to Arizona in like, what, like a couple hours?
Like, he was like, I'm there, I'm going.
And he gathered all those people and did it.
I mean, that's what's happening right now is everybody's putting aside any kind of, you know, critiques of the administration or whatever's happening.
And they're just jumping in because this moment is everything.
dan friesen
She repeats that a number of times about people like Mike Cernovich and Jack Pasobic and all these people, these influencers.
jordan holmes
Not Alex.
dan friesen
Well, they're all on the Alex is presumably on the same page because he's having Ali Alexander on, who's another one of these figures, who they all put aside their differences and they're like, we've got to do something.
And it's like, yeah, no shit they are.
Their game is over.
They all recognize that the door is closing on the scams they've been running.
jordan holmes
Right.
Strudge is like, hey, fuck Trump.
He's going to destroy my business.
Cernovich is like, I think we should probably start a war because they're fucking up my business.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we're just whatever.
Like, we are going to very quickly not have much relevance.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
We're not good as the opposition.
Right.
There's already, I guess I could just be an MRA guy again.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
Or I could be do my pickup artist thing again, maybe.
jordan holmes
Just get your real estate license.
dan friesen
Shit.
jordan holmes
Cernovich.
He's a lawyer.
Cernovich.
Just sell houses.
dan friesen
He's technically a lawyer.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
He should sell houses.
dan friesen
Sure.
Why not?
Yeah, and I think that phenomenon is kind of interesting.
I don't experience it because I don't know what any of these ding-dongs are up to privately, but it is interesting to hear her say, like, oh, everyone's putting their heads together.
Like, yes, they have to figure out how to survive.
jordan holmes
What's our new scam, guys?
Yes.
The swamp is congealed.
How do we escape this?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Let's claim Laura Loomer actually won.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That is so stupid.
Because, oh, man, here's the great thing about later on.
And here's my guess.
We're going to see a very close parallel between what happens at Infowars whenever Alex is gone and what happens in the far right whenever Trump is gone.
dan friesen
I think there will be some fractioning.
jordan holmes
Because none of them are competent.
dan friesen
I think there will be some splintering off, but you'll see kind of, I think what's going to happen to everybody is basically what's happened to people who've been kicked off Twitter.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just like they will sort of spiral a little bit and be like, even if you had a platform, this is worse.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're doing worse.
Yeah, yeah.
And I think that, you know, you'll really see the difference between people who have something and are safe and are not.
People like Jack Pesobic and Mike Cernovich are not secure.
I don't think they're stable in their media position.
People like Ben Shapiro or Alex, they are.
Alex has some issues to iron out and figure out what he's going to do.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
But he also has millions and a gigantic media operation.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like he's going to be able to figure out something to do.
It might be embarrassing as hell.
He might lose a bunch of his audience.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he'll figure out something.
Ben Shapiro is probably going to be embarrassed for a little bit, but he'll be fine.
He'll be fine.
He'll figure out something to do.
jordan holmes
He'll become a different type of mask asshole.
dan friesen
Jack Pesobic is going to keep working at like what?
These fringe OAN type outlets?
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
There's just nowhere.
There's no path forward there.
Speaking of people who are going to be fine, I think, because they just have a big enough brand, James O'Keefe comes on.
jordan holmes
You think James O'Keefe is going to be fine, huh?
dan friesen
Yes.
I think he's going to be fine.
I think he has enough of brand and name recognition inside of the larger conservative sphere that he could sort of abandon a lot of these like things that are tailored to the Trump base.
And he could be fine.
I think he's.
If you're associated with Andrew Breitbart personally, I don't think you're ever going to be like.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, there'll be a way for you to keep failing upwards.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's on with a terrible phone connection, and he's just talking about voter fraud.
It's really hard to listen to because the voter, or sorry, the phone line is awful.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's also very sad.
It honestly comes off less about like he's trying to prove some kind of claim.
It seems more like he has this narrative that he wants to sell to people, and he's trying to recruit other people to play the role of whistleblowers for him, like to use them as props.
jordan holmes
He's multi-level marketing.
dan friesen
Would you like to be a prop in my next?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And you can recruit three more people to be props in yours.
Yeah.
unidentified
But what we need today is more people at the polls, people who are poll watchers, people who handle ballots to blow the whistle.
We need an army of whistleblowers.
I can't emphasize this enough.
Now is the time, today, tonight, for you to do this.
alex jones
Absolutely.
Don't wait.
Our destiny, our future, our very birthright's being stolen.
dan friesen
So, yeah, he's just trying to enlist people to come be a guest star in my next video.
jordan holmes
That does sound like the way he gets all of his quote whistleblowers.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I found it very uninteresting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex has now decided at this point in the show, I got to go somewhere.
Pacernovich went to Arizona, and people seem to enjoy that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's people yelling in states.
This is still wet concrete.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We could still do something.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
There's still some attention.
jordan holmes
Arizona seems like it's getting closer.
So that might be one where we actually might eke out a win from that.
dan friesen
And Maricopa County is the home of Joe Arpaio, who I also love so much.
jordan holmes
I hope he does.
dan friesen
And so Alex decides he's got to go somewhere, but he doesn't know where.
alex jones
So like I'm at Los Isley Spaceport.
jordan holmes
Go to Mos Isley.
unidentified
Decide what airplane to get on and where I'm going to go.
alex jones
Because there's no way I can sit back while this is going on.
Should I go to Arizona?
Or should I go to Georgia?
Or should I go to Michigan?
God Almighty.
dan friesen
You ever try to fly direct from Mos Isley to Arizona?
Hellish.
jordan holmes
It's a long flight.
dan friesen
You have to take a couple of stops.
jordan holmes
And you wind up at a wretched hive of scumability.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Alex, you know, we all know that he eventually ends up going to Arizona, but he has a really difficult time figuring out where to go.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And now, as the show goes on, too, like earlier, he was kind of just like puzzling over why Trump is not appearing anywhere.
And he's kind of like, hey, he's just letting the people act.
That was earlier.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
As the show goes on, he starts to get a little bit mad about the fact that Trump is hiding.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
It begins.
Democrat lawmakers call on Twitter to remove U.S. president from the platform because he's not giving speeches, which are 100 times more viral.
Where is the president?
We haven't seen him, unless I'm wrong.
Crew, you're watching as much as I do or more.
And a lot more eyeballs than I do.
I got two eyeballs and two eyeballs.
Four, six, eight.
Like 12, 14 eyeballs in there.
Has Trump been seen since 3:30 in the morning on Wednesday?
Just asking.
You know, we're talking 36 hours ago.
Has anybody seen the president?
Did the cookie monster eat him?
Oh, cookie.
I mean, I mean, where is the president?
Where is the president?
I've tried to defend the president, and I love the president, and I think he overalls did a great job.
But I mean, we're in the middle of the Alamo war here, and we ain't seen Colonel Travis in a day and a half.
dan friesen
Huh?
jordan holmes
Just like the real Colonel Travis.
He's off drunk somewhere.
dan friesen
I mean, like, I don't know.
I don't take fault with that thought.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, devoid of anything else he's saying, it's like, yeah, you should be frustrated that Trump isn't really guiding the folks.
jordan holmes
Is that why?
What if all of those predictions of like Trumpism is never going to leave us are all countered by the fact that we didn't expect them to eventually be like, hey, Trump sucks at this?
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
Like when he finally betrays them at the end, they're finally like, oh, shit, we got conned.
dan friesen
Well, no.
I think a lot of the underlying things are what you have to be more worried about.
Yeah, totally.
And someone who isn't as much of a very clear con man carrying out some of those political things.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And the flaws in our system that Trump has exploited, the recognizing that there is no reason to not act like a dickhole.
Sure.
And there are no reason to follow norms, apparently.
jordan holmes
Why would you?
dan friesen
Because, well, decent people do.
jordan holmes
Unwritten rules are just things that people whine about.
dan friesen
Yeah, so people have generally been beholden to a lot of those things.
And I think Trump has really exposed that there's no reason to follow them.
There's no consequence for breaking anything.
Totally.
jordan holmes
I mean, even in baseball, if you do a bat flip too egregious, you get hit in the back with a bit of fastball.
Okay.
We get to hit Trump in the back with a fastball.
I think that's fine with it.
97 mile an hour.
dan friesen
Someone who's less of a very overt con man and someone who's a lot more capable and has the same sort of policies that appeal to people who recognize the ways in which they can break unwritten rules and stuff.
And that's kind of what you have to be really worried about.
And I think that those people will, again, fall for that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, it's not hard.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
So Alex, like, he's like, fuck.
I need to go somewhere.
I haven't seen Trump on TV in a long time.
I'm going to fucking take a nap.
alex jones
Maybe I'm going to get a jet airplane to fly me up to D.C. That's where I need to be.
See, I'm ready to take action.
Then I'm trying to like, I can't overanalyze this.
I have to go to my sleepy place.
That's the joke of a meme of that.
But I mean, I have to like, I literally, I'll go take a 30-minute nap sometimes and go, what is the answer to something?
And I go to bed, and then I'll have a dream of what to do.
I got to get dialed into my subconscious.
Little Alex Jones' secret sauce there.
And I think I got to sleep.
Dreams here is the leaves.
I got to have the engine turn off with in my mind, what do I do?
And I'll wake up with the answer.
Is it D.C.?
Is it Georgia?
Is it Arizona?
Is it Detroit?
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Go to hell.
alex jones
But, I mean, I just can't sit here with this amount of history going down and do nothing.
I've got to take action.
Oh, my God.
unidentified
I just love the idea that he's sitting here, and he's like, I've got to do something.
dan friesen
I just...
There's so much history going on.
I've got to do something.
I'm going to take a nap.
jordan holmes
I think I'll dream my solution.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The reason that this show is.
I do recognize that even with Trump not being in power, I'm still entirely fascinated by Alex.
And the reason is that this show is like, it's a compelling psychodrama.
jordan holmes
It is.
It is.
We're in the next season where he's just confused for the next year.
dan friesen
Well, I think he'll be confused for a bit, but I think he'll land quicker than that.
jordan holmes
Maybe he should just go to Tibet.
I hear that's where people find themselves.
dan friesen
Owen take over.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just become a fucking Buddhist out there.
Just do it.
Calm down.
Relax.
Live your life a little bit.
dan friesen
That certainly would be interesting.
But there's a 30% chance that he won't need to do that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I'd give Trump a 30% chance we pull this out, prove the fraud.
But no, we're a judge nation.
Nobody came for those babies getting chopped up, 62 million of them.
Nobody came for all the kids getting kidnapped by the left, you know, putting torture rings.
And so we just had it good too long, and God's sick of us not caring and not being involved.
jordan holmes
You got to get a better God.
alex jones
I'm going to burn you now.
dan friesen
Whoa.
jordan holmes
You got to get a better God, man.
dan friesen
So I guess we've been judged and we're going to burn.
jordan holmes
God is really, really turning on a hairpin these days.
dan friesen
30% chance that's not going to happen, though, if Trump somehow proves that the election for the election fraud.
unidentified
That will stay God's hair.
jordan holmes
Good God.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
dan friesen
So apparently, Patriots are being called from the internet.
Sure.
And Alex has a familiar thing happen to him as he's trying to discuss this.
alex jones
They're going through everybody that's been identified as a patriot for this coup, and they're blocking and freezing or banning your account.
This is a takeover.
When the lights go out, the communications go out.
That's when the troops start coming down in the parachutes metaphysically.
dan friesen
What?
unidentified
This is it.
alex jones
This is the biggest all.
At least you're full-grown adults.
You're not a baby in the womb, got chopped up, didn't have a chance.
So we deserve what's about to happen.
Get close to Jesus and wake up or get your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.
Yeah, go ahead and play that report, the one that Rob Duke gave us.
It's like five minutes long.
We're going to play the one where I predict all of the stuff that's now happening.
That was the one I talked about.
We have that.
Also, no need for that either.
No need for that either.
All right, we're going to push Matt Bracken back because we're going to have a moment of clarity here.
Rob came in about two hours ago and he said, we've got this video.
And I said, hey, that's wonderful.
Just tell them about it.
We'll have it.
No problem.
Take care of it.
And we had little meetings about it.
And now we don't have it.
And I'm not mad.
I love it.
unidentified
I love it.
alex jones
It's okay.
unidentified
But it's all of us.
alex jones
Phones and computers have habituated us not to get face to face and have a meeting.
So my crew works their ass off.
They're amazing.
But they produce so much information that if they don't face to face and have that decision, it never happens.
So that's okay because it's not bad to have a mistake on a live show.
We're going to air that on air.
It's going to happen.
If I have to host the next five hours, it's going to happen.
So that's what all this is about.
unidentified
That's what all this is about.
dan friesen
You understand?
unidentified
That's what all this is about.
jordan holmes
Did he just tell me that his employees don't read emails?
dan friesen
Maybe.
alex jones
They got to do this face to face.
jordan holmes
They got to do it face to face.
Otherwise, they ignore me if I'm not yelling at them.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
I can't get tone and email.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
I try all caps.
It doesn't work.
jordan holmes
It doesn't do anything for me.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, I just thought I'd put that in there because, I mean, that is what this is.
People thought.
I know that I've heard this feedback from the audience a lot.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
If Biden wins, Alex's tech problems will go away.
He'll recognize that he's got to get his shit together.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And they'll really clean up shop and take care of business.
No.
jordan holmes
Another storyline to follow in Alex in Tibet.
I'm going to call it that this season.
That's what we're going to do.
dan friesen
Sure.
I'm down with that.
So this next clip, this is the last one from Alex's show on November 5th.
And that is him handing it off to Matt Bracken.
Noted weirdo, Matt Bracken.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Fourth hour host and nothing else.
Matt Bracken.
Alex needs to go somewhere and he needs to get some guidance about where to go.
So he asked Matt Bracken, where am I going?
alex jones
I'm planning to get on an airplane and either go to Arizona or go to Georgia.
Let me ask Matt Bracken this question.
I'm going to play this clip.
Matt, where do you think people need to be the most on the ground?
Is it Detroit?
Is it Arizona?
Is it Georgia?
They're trying to steal them all right now.
They already got Detroit.
unidentified
It's a multi-front war.
I would probably say Philadelphia because if it doesn't happen in Pennsylvania, it doesn't matter.
The other ones are peripheral.
You know, all of the pathways for Trump require Pennsylvania.
alex jones
Good point, Matt.
dan friesen
I'm going to go to Arizona.
unidentified
Why even ask people stuff?
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Matt, that's a very good point.
dan friesen
That's a good point.
jordan holmes
I have friends in Arizona, and Philly will beat the shit out of me.
dan friesen
I will get my ass.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go to Arizona.
I'm not going to be in Philly.
Not going to be in Philly.
Did you see that?
There were people dancing, and they want to hurt me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Gritty is going to kick my ass.
jordan holmes
Gritty will kick your ass.
dan friesen
So Alex goes to take a nap, I guess.
And then the spirits come to him and tell him to go to Arizona or something.
I don't fucking know.
jordan holmes
Something like that.
dan friesen
But while he's taking a nap, Owen Shroyer comes in to host the war room.
And Owen has a big guest on the show.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
I get the sense that by this point, Alex has left.
I think he's already en route to Arizona.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
dan friesen
Because there is a sense of like, we should get Alex in on this.
And he's unavailable.
Uh-oh.
So he's either taking that nap or he's on his way to Arizona.
But big guest.
owen shroyer
But Dr. Steve Pieczenik, as we're in the middle of this, the election's over.
We're now in the stealing process of the election.
What are you seeing?
What's going through your mind as you're witnessing this gigantic hoax?
steve pieczenik
Number one, it's not a hoax.
What's happening now, and the reason I couldn't come on the Alex Jones show last night was I was not given the permission that I needed to in order to say what I'm about to say now.
I do not work for the federal government.
jordan holmes
I'm not paid by that.
dan friesen
Make it clear.
I don't work for the government.
We know.
jordan holmes
We know, Steve.
dan friesen
So, yeah, at first it sounded like he was talking from inside a bottle.
Sure.
But I guess they turned the gain up on that up just a little bit so we can hear the doctor.
Yeah, he didn't have permission to say something.
jordan holmes
I didn't get the go-ahead from Melania, and now we will be taking over everything.
I am consort to Melania, queen of the earth.
dan friesen
Can I be honest with you?
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
I think that he knew that this shoe wouldn't fly with Alex.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I absolutely think I think that's what permission means.
jordan holmes
That's exactly what I thought.
dan friesen
Yeah, because here's what he's got.
jordan holmes
I'm here because I couldn't say this on Alex's show.
dan friesen
He wouldn't let me.
Here is what Steve recently got permission to say.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
steve pieczenik
This is really a sting operation, contrary to what everybody else said.
Trump knew this was happening.
Eric knew this was happening and warned the public.
I knew this was happening.
However, I could not say anything about it.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
steve pieczenik
What happened was we marked, watermarked every ballot with what's called the QFS blockchain encryption code.
In other words, we know pretty well where every ballot is, where it went, and who has it.
So this is not a stolen election.
On the contrary, we reversed the entire game of war along the lines of Sun Tzu, the art of war.
And Trump was brilliant and still is brilliant at it.
dan friesen
So, what we've got here is Steve claiming that the election was actually a sting operation to catch voter fraud, wherein the Department of Homeland Security has watermarked all of these ballots with blockchain.
He does not explain what he means by that.
jordan holmes
No, don't worry about it.
dan friesen
And they can be traced.
They know literally where every single ballot is at any point.
And because of this watermark, they can tell which ones are fake.
So there's a bunch of ballots.
They know, oh, no watermark.
Their shoes are fake.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This is a load of horseshoe.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is not good.
dan friesen
This is real bad.
jordan holmes
This is real bad.
dan friesen
But one of the reasons why this is really particularly bad is this is a narrative that is so provable.
This is one that, like, if you have this information, if Trump really does have this, first of all, he needs to bring it out.
jordan holmes
It's the only thing he needs to bring out.
dan friesen
I still don't want him to be president.
No.
But he has a moral obligation to tell the nation.
jordan holmes
This is exactly what you would do the day after they called everybody.
You'd be like, okay, now we're going to reveal that this was all a sting operation.
Now, it turns out this backfires because no one cares and they all think I already lost the election.
Oh, that's not good.
dan friesen
But you'd have this hard evidence.
jordan holmes
That's true.
unidentified
This is true.
This is hard evidence.
jordan holmes
I'm sure it is.
unidentified
You have to keep these conspiracies non-falsifiable.
dan friesen
They have to be like vague and about coups and counter-coups and moves and shadowy things.
unidentified
This is too concrete.
jordan holmes
It's absolute.
I have another problem with this.
dan friesen
Oh, just one?
jordan holmes
Just one.
All right.
So he is saying we.
I assume he can't mean he's not including himself.
dan friesen
He always talks like that.
He says that I have 17,000 troops in Germany.
jordan holmes
What he's going to say.
dan friesen
He always does that.
He speaks in the first person about everything.
jordan holmes
It's just like we have watermarked these ballots.
But then he started with I don't work for the federal government.
unidentified
He's a ramp.
jordan holmes
What the fuck do you work for that's watermarking all these ballots?
dan friesen
He's a rampant narcissist.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And this is a QAnon thing, too.
This was going around in Guardian.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I've heard this one.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And also, I was thinking about it.
It's like, why is Steve into this?
One, I think it's because he's into QAnon.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Two, I was researching watermarked ballots, and one of the places that it comes up the most as a normally used thing is in condo association elections in Florida.
Now, Steve lives in Florida.
jordan holmes
So I was thinking that maybe skated communities.
That's where all watermarked ballots.
dan friesen
It's an issue that's discussed on a number of websites about condo association elections and ways to keep them secure.
And so I think that maybe he has some experience with the idea from that.
jordan holmes
That's very funny.
dan friesen
And maybe he's projecting that onto the world.
Anyway, this is silly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's not good.
dan friesen
And it gets worse.
steve pieczenik
All of this was expected.
All of this is part of the sting operation we're running.
And let me tell you that 48 hours ago, not only did we put markers on those ballots, but I can say now, with the permission of people in the intelligence community and elsewhere, that we have sent out thousands and thousands of National Guards to 12 different states: Washington, Delaware, Texas, Arizona, Alabama, and everywhere.
Sure.
So now you have to consider and rethink what this is really about.
dan friesen
This is about the Constitution, clearly.
jordan holmes
Wait, so the governors of those states, I assume, approved the National Gallery.
dan friesen
Invited in the National Guard.
jordan holmes
Because that's how it has to work.
dan friesen
And all the states who run their own elections have agreed to his watermarking of the ballots.
Of course.
Yeah.
Okay, whatever.
This is deeply unconstitutional here.
Just what he's describing here.
Anyway, so that's kind of like how you would respond if you were Owen.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
If you're in this, like, fuck off.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
Fuck off.
jordan holmes
What are you doing?
God wearing this terrible.
dan friesen
He's wearing a Hawaiian shirt.
jordan holmes
He was not.
Yes.
unidentified
You can't be running the revolution in a goddamn Hawaiian shirt.
dan friesen
He's sitting there.
He's like, I might as well have like a drink and a coconut in my hand.
jordan holmes
You might not.
dan friesen
Here's how Owen responds.
unidentified
Okay.
owen shroyer
Steve, you've just broken certainly perhaps the biggest news since the election here on the show.
I have to play this out logically in my head.
I love you, Steve.
I'd kiss you on the lips right now if it wasn't digitally.
unidentified
Aha.
dan friesen
So he's thrilled.
jordan holmes
Of course he is.
dan friesen
Steve wants to make this even better.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
Because there's even better news.
jordan holmes
Come on.
steve pieczenik
People will be arrested as of tonight, tomorrow, and it will go on for quite a while.
And this was a total sting operation that I can say.
dan friesen
Okay.
Well, this did not happen.
jordan holmes
The red wedding will play itself out every night for years to come.
There will be blood in the streets.
unidentified
Until only Melania is left.
dan friesen
Melania will stand to take the Game of Thrones.
Yeah.
All right.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is getting a little, this is getting a little more cue than Steve usually is.
Like, he's usually either like cranky, racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic.
He usually has something going on or like wants to insult Alex a bunch.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Those are the best.
jordan holmes
He does seem to have themed appearances.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is quite cute.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's strange.
But I also think that he knows on some level, whether it's like rationally and consciously or just sort of best not to try.
He knows that Alex wouldn't put up with this probably.
Like, I don't know.
We're trying to say that this election was stolen.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's the business.
That's where the money is.
You saying this is something that's going to be completely disproven or it'll be like never proven.
Like, why wasn't it?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
This is going to be a big problem for us.
We can't make money off this.
You're trying to build a pay-per-view match that no one wants to see.
jordan holmes
This is a day-long story at best.
Day-long story at best.
This is only on the war road.
dan friesen
This is a distraction for the junior varsity.
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Give this to Owen while I'm out.
steve pieczenik
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Steve talks a little bit more about this.
And I still don't really understand what he's describing.
I really, I would love for him to actually say what all this technology is, but he doesn't do that.
All right.
owen shroyer
So how is this watermark on the ballots?
What is the significance of that as to is it going to stop from fake balance being counted or how is that going to be used?
steve pieczenik
Well, we use it in any way that we need to use it in terms of counting, knowing which ones were fake, which ones were not.
It's a very sophisticated code.
So if you just throw them away, these are cyber communication implementations that we have the code for.
We know exactly what was thrown away.
We know exactly what was placed.
We know exactly who has it, and we know exactly where it went.
I can't go any further than that.
owen shroyer
Wow, this is huge news that Steve Pieczenik is breaking on our show right now.
dan friesen
Some would call it news.
Some would not.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, I'm going to go with, I don't think I'm going to buy that one.
dan friesen
If I were Owen, I'd be like, wow, Steve's having fun today.
jordan holmes
He's on one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, Steve's dressed for the occasion.
He showed up in his uniform for what this is.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Which is bullshit.
jordan holmes
Hold the fucking phone.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If you know where every ballot is right now.
dan friesen
Like God's Eye from the Fast and Furious Movie.
jordan holmes
Like, why are we bothering with all this nonsense?
And if they're fake, why didn't you tell people at the ballot counting places that they were fake?
Everywhere had people watching them.
dan friesen
But you're not a showman.
You don't understand the need for the reveal.
jordan holmes
You're right.
You're right.
This was all my fault.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
I didn't realize that we have to have the prestige.
Why do the trick if there isn't the reveal?
I get you.
dan friesen
You got to do this.
No, no, you're right.
I think that part makes total sense.
jordan holmes
If in Ocean's 11, they just stole money and then left.
That's a very bad movie.
dan friesen
I get it.
Yeah, he needs to explain a little bit more about what this tech he's describing is how why it's so powerful.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then also, it's a big problem when nothing comes of this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's a real problem.
And I think Alex's instincts, even if he's desperate to come up with a way to spin the election, he would know better than to take this on as something that he's going to have to then deal with tomorrow and the day after and the day after.
It's much easier to say that there was someone who might have been Chinese who showed up at four in the morning with a box of ballots.
jordan holmes
Done.
Try and disprove me.
You don't even care enough to disprove me.
But if you start saying some shit like, I know where every ballot is, now we're in trouble, man.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Now I got to deal with shit.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Like somebody saying stuff like, why didn't you just use a barcode?
unidentified
So Owen gets a little bit high on this, of course.
dan friesen
On Steve's inside exclusive.
jordan holmes
He's young.
owen shroyer
Yeah.
And he perhaps just broke the biggest news story of the day.
He did it in a floral button-up shirt with a smile on his face from his kitchen.
So Fox News and mainstream news and all you with your billions of dollars and your big pharmaceutical contracts.
I'll keep it PG-rated.
You can go fudge yourselves.
Okay.
Go fudge yourselves and enjoy it as well.
Now, I want to hone in on what Dr. Pacinik broke.
Again, folks, Steve can reiterate this in his own words.
The whole election theft was a setup.
jordan holmes
Try and say it.
Try and say it.
dan friesen
That's my favorite thing.
That is a setup.
That is just the best.
That is my like what I like to laugh at is Owen taunting the mainstream fake news.
jordan holmes
Defiant.
Defiant in the face of all reality.
Listening to Dr. Steve Pacenek while he's masturbating, looking to photos of Melania.
dan friesen
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Now, Steve, he's a weirdo.
jordan holmes
So I agree.
I agree.
dan friesen
Even when he comes in with this kind of thing, he's still going to say some things during the interview that are big problems in the info wars.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And one of them, one of them comes in this next clip because Alex has been very, very clear that the Democrats are run by the Chinese.
And the devil.
Well, through China.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
China's like the intermediary between the devil and the Democrats, basically.
That's a tough job.
Steve says, nah.
owen shroyer
Who is running this Democrat Party right now?
I mean, who is running?
Who is the brain trust?
It's obviously not Biden.
I don't think it's Obama.
Is it the Chinese?
Are the Chinese setting them up?
unidentified
No.
steve pieczenik
The Chinese are not part of it.
With all due respect to Chinese communism and all that, I know Chinese communism quite well.
I know Xi.
I've known about Mao's dunk.
The real issue is the inherent corruption of a Democratic Party and its machinery.
dan friesen
Wait, wait, wait.
So the Chinese aren't involved?
jordan holmes
So the Chinese aren't involved at all.
dan friesen
Wait, wait, Steve.
jordan holmes
I'm very familiar with Chinese communism.
Xi and I hang out.
We play golf on the weekends.
He's part of my condo association.
dan friesen
Before I leave, I'd like to contradict Alex's entire worldview.
jordan holmes
Wow.
While I'm here, there's no such thing as God.
dan friesen
The Chinese communists are not important.
They're not a big deal.
The election was a sting operation.
unidentified
I got to go.
jordan holmes
You know who you got to worry about?
Yoragwai.
They're big in the stealing elections, gang.
dan friesen
This dude is throwing haymakers.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Love it.
So they get talking a little bit about Obama.
This is kind of funny.
steve pieczenik
When I heard Obama two days ago again say, in this democracy, we have the right to vote you more on Obama.
I mean, this is a CIA operative that I kept saying.
Should have gone to prison.
Everything about.
owen shroyer
Does Trump know that?
Does Trump know who Obama is?
steve pieczenik
He knew already.
He knew it.
owen shroyer
But does he have the intelligence files, too?
steve pieczenik
I can't say that, but.
owen shroyer
Okay.
dan friesen
Okay.
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
That's so funny.
steve pieczenik
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, he knows it.
Does he have a file?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
All of this seems so much more fun and less serious when I don't have like four years of murder to look forward to.
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, there's four years of, you know, still trouble.
jordan holmes
Oh, going to be a lot of trouble, but not like every.
dan friesen
It's more a situation of I think we're still in a little bit of like exhaling.
jordan holmes
There is a big exhale going on.
dan friesen
And I think that you might be overselling like the feeling of release.
jordan holmes
I'm trying, man.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think it's a really tough thing because, you know, like on the one hand, yes, don't discount the fact that getting Trump out of office and him losing is very crucially important.
While at the same time, don't lose sight of the fact that even though Biden gets in, it doesn't mean anything is fixed by itself.
There's still exactly the same amount of work that needs to be done.
The same issues exist.
jordan holmes
I tweeted out just like, oh, fuck, Biden is president.
And then, oh, fuck, Biden is president.
And people were like, don't ruin this room, man.
I'm like, no, no, no.
You can hold these two thoughts simultaneously.
These are not dissonant thoughts.
These are nuanced thoughts.
dan friesen
Yeah, it could be.
I mean, there's challenges.
Yeah.
And we just have to figure out.
jordan holmes
Still got to get done.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Steve, we know from his time with Alex over the years, his normal methodology with Alex is to flatter him.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And we see this exact same behavior being applied to Owen here.
steve pieczenik
Please, you know, self-deprecation is not impressive to me.
Owen, you're there.
You have to talk a lot.
And it takes a lot of cojonas and it takes a lot of sense of self-worth and a sense of humor, which you and Alex have.
And you got a great staff with Daria and Scott and all of them.
But the point was, you were selected.
I not only selected you guys, but I personally selected you and those who I work with or deal with and friendly with, they understood that it would come through your show.
dan friesen
That to me sounds like Alex wouldn't buy this shit.
I was like, who could I go on?
Owen.
jordan holmes
Oh, we'll buy it.
I think we're getting real delusional here.
This has gone past like fun conspiracy theories to him being like, I control the universe.
dan friesen
Well, and like I have this big breaking news and, you know, you're so wonderful, Owen, that I chose you to break the story.
That isn't like delusional.
I mean, it's nonsensical, but it's really him saying, I had nowhere else to go.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely.
dan friesen
You were as good as I could do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, bro.
dan friesen
So I'm going to butter you up really hard.
So Owen's like, yeah, Alex, we need to get Alex in on this because this is big, like for them.
jordan holmes
Owen, you are so, so young.
owen shroyer
Steve, if you hold over, Alex Jones, as soon as he heard Steve Pacenek break the huge news about the Trump sting, Alex Jones hopped in his race car.
He's probably going about 160 miles per hour right now.
He's probably on the phone with engineers trying to rig up like a car helicopter so he can get here faster and avoid traffic.
dan friesen
Alex does not show up, and Owen ends up interviewing Jesse Lee Peterson after Steve.
So I don't know.
I think I feel like Alex would be like, shut it down.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Shut it down.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
Owen has that feel of like a literal apprentice situation where it's like the master is out of the room and I found something that I think is really exciting.
This could change the world.
This one and this one's mine.
I discovered this one.
This one, I'm going to take it to the master and he's going to be so proud of me.
And then he's like, no, this is fucking stupid.
dan friesen
Isn't that an idiot?
That Disney movie?
jordan holmes
The Sorcerer's Apprentice?
Yeah, isn't that basically the plot of Fantasia?
owen shroyer
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It might be the plot of Fantasia.
You might be correct.
dan friesen
Owen's accidentally made the mops dance around and they're all making a mess.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's about it.
Yeah.
Which is exactly right.
dan friesen
But it's still like, this is what I want plugged into my fucking veins.
jordan holmes
Of course.
owen shroyer
Ladies and gentlemen, we're back in the InfoWars War Room.
Devastating the fake news media today with Dr. Steve Pieczenik giving us the inside scoop of President Trump's sting operation that is ongoing right now.
The traps have been sprung.
dan friesen
Traps are sprung.
Devastating the fake news.
jordan holmes
They're two different completely feelings.
Two different feelings, right?
There's the feeling of being proud of yourself and then having that pride punctured by someone else and realizing I have failed.
And then there's the feeling of hoping someone else will be proud of you.
And when that gets punctured, that's devastating.
I'm looking forward to hearing that from Owen.
I want to hear that devastation.
He thinks somebody's going to be so proud of him.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Or he'll, I don't, God, it's just a complex feeling that is like, I've done it.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I have figured out how to save the world or something.
Or even just like reduce it down on a cynical level, we're going to make a lot of money off of this.
Or something.
jordan holmes
I've saved InfoWars.
dan friesen
And you can see it in the moment, like, no.
jordan holmes
Exactly, right?
dan friesen
But because I hate them, it's hilarious.
I love it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is, screw, I would never laugh at conservative tears.
Conservative hubris is the funniest thing in the world.
dan friesen
Exactly.
And that's really what I was feeling when it was like, what's the reverse that I can feel good about of Election Night 2016, Alex laughing at people crying?
It's this.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
Owen being like, we're taking down the fake news.
jordan holmes
Pure pure, pure joy I get from this.
dan friesen
Owen, either being unable or incapable of seeing through Steve Pieczenik's bullshit.
jordan holmes
So transparently stupid bullshit.
unidentified
And being like, we got him.
We got him.
dan friesen
Fuck you, CNN.
Oh, sorry.
unidentified
Fudge you, CNN.
jordan holmes
We're past the Emperor Has No Clothes.
The Emperor is walking down the street without skin, and everybody's pointing.
And Owen is like, that's the Emperor, baby.
Love that guy.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here of Steve talking to Owen.
And again, it's just the buttering up.
unidentified
Yeah.
steve pieczenik
I was given the privilege of announcing this, but I don't know who else knows it.
I don't know what else will happen.
The truth of the matter is that your show was chosen and you have the good or the benefit.
And I hope this will result in a lot of arrests and the end of a problem.
david knight
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I wish you godspeed.
Yeah.
In that endeavor.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So.
jordan holmes
Oh, I hope this winds up with a lot of arrests.
dan friesen
Like I said, Owen goes on to interview Jesse Lee Peterson.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Then everyone went to sleep.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And the next day, we wake up and David Knight's show from November 6th.
He realizes Owen got these brooms and mops dancing all over the place.
I got to clean up.
david knight
No, I know there's a theory that's come out saying we have watermarked ballots, and this is all just a big sting, and we should trust the plan.
And I'm telling you right now, I'll give you details on why I think that is absolute, total gaslighting from a CIA official still working for them.
And we'll talk about that coming up.
That is absolute nonsense, in my opinion.
jordan holmes
So, is Pachena kicked off the show forever?
dan friesen
So, David Knight comes in, and he's like, fuck the use.
Now, when I first heard that this had gone down, that David Knight was pushing back on this stuff, I'm like, he is fired.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He is fucking fired.
Then when I sat and thought about it a little bit more and recognized, like, what are the dynamics here?
I think David Knight's fine.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think they'll just pretend Owen didn't do that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think Owen made a bad move, but it's like, that's an InfoWars mistake.
jordan holmes
It's the apprentice mistake.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
You know, of course you forgive the apprentice.
That's how you learn.
dan friesen
It's an InfoWars mistake, too.
It's in the world of InfoWars.
You were chasing down a conspiracy.
You know, like nine times out of ten, maybe it doesn't work.
That tenth time, maybe we make a million dollars.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
So fine.
We'll let you do that.
It's embarrassing.
Pretend you didn't do it.
Move along.
Put Steve in timeout.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We won't have him on the street.
jordan holmes
He's going to be gone for a little bit.
He's going to be gone for a little bit.
He's not coming back before the inauguration.
dan friesen
When I listened to this David Knight thing, first of all, I was like, wow, he is as boring as I remember.
But then I was like, oh, yeah, no, no, he's doing what daddy needs him to do.
He's doing the work of cleaning up this because the narrative needs to be that the fucking election was stolen.
unidentified
You can't have it be that Trump did a sting operation.
Nope.
That's going to fall apart.
jordan holmes
Real quick.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah, David Knight had good instincts.
He's not going to get fired.
But it looked like it was like, you're fucking gone.
Steve has got to be on the outs.
He's got to have at least had a talking to or something.
jordan holmes
This one's too nuts.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that must have been a phone call of like, dude, dude, you can't be swinging that hard.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So David Knight, before he gets down to business on Steve's nonsense, he I just wanted to play a couple clips of his show just to be like, the tones of these things are so fucking different.
david knight
Twitter permanently banned Steve Bannon because he called for the way the daily mark of the beast puts it.
He called for the beheading of Dr. Fauci and FBI director Christopher Ray.
Well, here's what he actually had to say.
I'd actually like to go back to the old times of Tudor England.
I'd put their heads on pikes, right?
I'd put them on two corners of the White House as a warning to federal bureaucrats.
Now, this is what's known as a metaphor, I believe.
I always get that confused assemblies, but I believe it's a metaphor.
Because he didn't use the word like.
I think that is the.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
What is this show?
dan friesen
Exactly.
I'm like, this is for grandparents.
jordan holmes
This is the weird sarcastic old man show?
dan friesen
Yeah, like this is this is for people who need a little bit of a milder presentation to their extreme opinions and their rationalizations of people saying fucked up things.
jordan holmes
Oh, these people, they're not going to cut off heads.
dan friesen
It's a metaphor.
jordan holmes
It's a metaphor.
dan friesen
Also, I will say that David Knight likes to make jokes.
david knight
All right, Nancy Pelosi has announced a big expansion of COVID testing for lawmakers.
Well, I saw this.
I saw testing.
Testing.
Well, I knew it wasn't going to be polygraph tested.
Now, that would be funny.
jordan holmes
Wow.
That was actually almost charming.
I was almost a little charmed by that.
dan friesen
Yeah, because you know what that was?
That was.
jordan holmes
Grandpa laughed out at his own joke.
dan friesen
And it had joke structure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it did.
It had structure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It wasn't funny.
jordan holmes
No, good God, though.
dan friesen
But it had structure.
Unlike so many of the things that Alex thinks are jokes that are just like maybe something that's off color or offensive.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
It's Grandpa Thanksgiving, and you're like, that was great.
You didn't say anything about Black Lives Matter.
We're having a great time.
dan friesen
You didn't bring up how much you love Song of the South this time, David.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, yeah.
I thought that was so bizarre.
Like, I was looking at that.
I'm like, this is InfoWars.
He just made a joke and laughed at it.
And that laugh did not seem fake.
jordan holmes
And did not use any old-timey slurs in the process.
Very bizarre.
dan friesen
So it took a while and a lot of boring shit to get through.
But we get to David talking about Steve Pieczenik's story.
But you'll notice that the way he's talking about it, he's very careful to talk about it as a story that's being posted on Reason.com as opposed to an interview his co-worker had done the day before.
jordan holmes
Fine needle.
david knight
Trump's likeliest path appears to be narrower.
He needs to hang on to both Pennsylvania and Georgia.
And he also needs to overtake Biden in either Nevada or Arizona.
So that's where we are at the moment.
But of course, we know that this is all rigged.
We know that it was all baked in.
Which is why I just about fell out of my chair when I saw this headline from Reason magazine.
dan friesen
Not when you were watching The War Room the day before.
jordan holmes
He doesn't watch The War Room.
dan friesen
I wouldn't.
So one thing I think is really interesting is that David Knight, his approach on it, is very much like, this makes no sense.
jordan holmes
That's unfair.
dan friesen
I appreciate it.
david knight
To me, if this was a sting, it doesn't even make any sense.
It's another one of these deals like the laptop with Hunter Biden.
They waited to the very last minute to put that thing out thinking it was going to be a surprise.
And then everybody just said, well, it's not credible.
The media is going to put out the narrative that's not credible.
It doesn't matter if you've got documents.
It doesn't matter if you've got photographic evidence.
You're going to have all the documentation that you want in the world, and they're not going to believe it because the mainstream media and social media are going to censor you and they're going to put out their narrative.
So I don't see that's going to do anything other than to create a forest fire.
dan friesen
But the point he's trying to make, I would take issue with one little tweak.
I'd make one little tweak, but it doesn't make sense because no one would believe this anyway.
jordan holmes
Oh, there is that.
dan friesen
That makes sense.
But his version of it is no one would believe it because the media would put out their own version.
I don't agree with that.
jordan holmes
No, totally.
dan friesen
I would say that everyone would be like, go fuck yourself.
That is true.
Probably if that story came out, people would just not believe it.
jordan holmes
Wait, so he's saying that it is true, but they don't, that the media wouldn't believe it anyways.
dan friesen
He's saying that they wouldn't do it because no one would believe it even if they did.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
I got you now.
dan friesen
Basically, I think is what his point is.
jordan holmes
He's not saying that it happened.
He's saying that they would have seen that happening ahead of time and not done the plan.
dan friesen
Yeah, the plan would have been fucked by no one believing it.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So they wouldn't have gone down that road to begin with.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Sure, I guess.
I mean, however you get there is how you get there.
I don't know.
It doesn't make sense.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, absolutely not.
dan friesen
If that's your reason why it doesn't make sense, you work at InfoWars, whatever.
Now, in this last clip, he doesn't talk about it that much, but Steve does say something that I think is great.
jordan holmes
You mean David Knight?
dan friesen
Yes, about Steve.
Gotcha.
So David says this thing that, like, I think it's great, but also it's a classic InfoWars thing where you're right, but you're wrong.
You're right.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But you are so wrong.
jordan holmes
The paradox.
david knight
Look, I didn't jump into Pizzagate.
I don't allow Pachinik to come on this show because last time he came on this show was right after the shooting in Vegas.
He came on this show to sell the lie that nobody died in Vegas because he's trying to trap me.
This guy is a CIA shill, and he comes on to trap us.
That's one of the ways that they discredit you.
I'm not having anything to do with that.
We'll be right back.
Stay with us.
dan friesen
So David's right that Steve is a fucking liar and he fucks with InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Because he's in a unique position where he seems to be able to get away with it and he causes a lot of chaos.
jordan holmes
He has a great time.
dan friesen
And I do believe that that is correct.
I remember that episode where Steve was on with David Knight and he was talking about the Las Vegas shooting being fake.
And David Knight's reaction to that was, I agree with you that Sandy Hook was fake.
Yeah, but not this one.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I remember that was even one where you pulled that from David Knight.
That's how important that was to you.
dan friesen
I have it in a folder somewhere.
But I do agree with him.
Don't have Steve on.
It's great that you have that rule.
Now, he's not a CIA shill.
No.
He's a bored man in a condo in Florida.
jordan holmes
You got it.
dan friesen
Who wants to fuck with you?
jordan holmes
I don't understand how one out of three InfoWars hosts is just like, this guy's a CIA shill who's trying to destroy our entire business.
And the other two are like, ah, come on, have a, come on in.
dan friesen
Not only is he not a CIHL, he is the best.
jordan holmes
Right, exactly.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If he's a CIA shill, he's tricked me.
Oh.
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
But here's where this becomes a little bit less of a severe problem.
Because that does seem like a problem.
For David Knight to be on air being like, Steve Pieczenik is a CIA show who's trying to trap me with these bullshit stories.
And that's how they get you.
jordan holmes
Going all the way back to Las Vegas show a long time.
dan friesen
He's been on Alex's show since then, saying a bunch of nonsense.
And so by that token, David would have to think that he's trying to trap Alex.
Somehow, that's fine to still work at the same place where that is going on.
jordan holmes
Or he's only trying to trap David Knight.
dan friesen
David Knight is the white whale.
jordan holmes
He's the one that Steve is trying to get rid of.
dan friesen
I don't think that's the case.
I don't think anybody's particularly focused on David Knight.
jordan holmes
That's probably true.
dan friesen
But here's the thing.
Alex has done this too.
Like, after the Las Vegas shooting, Alex did turn on Steve for a little while.
And he did say to a caller, I think Steve is still working for the CIA.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's fucking with us.
And then they made their peace after a couple months of Steve being on timeout.
So that's probably what'll happen again.
owen shroyer
Most likely.
unidentified
Although it's pretty funny.
jordan holmes
It's very funny.
dan friesen
It's really funny.
And I think that the image of Owen being like, fuck you, mainstream media.
We're destroying you.
That's the image of InfoWars 2020 election that I want to hold on to.
And I want to remember.
I want that to be sort of the spiritual energy that we're coming with, as opposed to, you know, laughing at, oh, you lost.
I don't want to laugh at you for losing.
I want to be glad that your candidate lost because I hate the policies.
But I want to laugh at you for taunting the mainstream media because you got tricked by Steve Pieczenik.
jordan holmes
So good.
So good.
unidentified
And you will get tricked again.
You think you're so smart.
jordan holmes
And you think that Steve gave you a scoop.
unidentified
If you got it, it's not a scoop.
And Steve's complimenting you.
jordan holmes
That guy worked for the CIA.
unidentified
He killed Alto Moro.
jordan holmes
He killed everybody.
unidentified
If you had Steve Pieczenik in 20 goddamn 20 telling you that he chose your show.
jordan holmes
If he even smiled at me, I'm throwing a fastball at him.
unidentified
Something is up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If he wants to talk to you, he wants to use you.
jordan holmes
Right?
Oh, man.
dan friesen
He's not a CIA shell.
jordan holmes
Owen, Owen, really stop and think.
If Steve was coming with big stuff this close to the election, this important a time period for, I guess, overthrowing the government, Alex isn't giving it to you, Owen.
dan friesen
I mean, relative audience size is huge.
It's a very big difference.
There's a little bit of a difference, but and yeah, okay.
I'm Steve Pieczenik.
I got this big information that the election was actually secretly a sting operation.
I can't get permission to talk about it an hour early.
unidentified
That's right.
jordan holmes
That's the other thing.
I'm sorry, they had it on a clock.
They had it on a clock.
It was 4 p.m. Eastern time.
unidentified
Shit, I could have done it at 3.
dan friesen
I mean, if you're Owen, you always got to be looking for reasons to think that you're relevant and doing good work.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Every now and again, you got to go yell at Congress and get locked out or something like that.
You got to get a high.
And I guess if, you know, it's believing Steve is what does it for you?
Sometimes it's what you got to do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, everybody needs a little juice from here from time to time.
dan friesen
Pick yourself back up, Owen.
Get back on track.
jordan holmes
Don't.
Don't quit.
Quit.
This is so embarrassing.
You should quit.
You should quit.
You said, fudge you, mainstream media, because Steve Pieczenik told you that the entire election was a sting operation.
dan friesen
It was an elaborate ruse.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah, so this is episode 500, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan?
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
500 episodes, huh?
dan friesen
Quite a few.
jordan holmes
That's weird.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
This is how we celebrate.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This is how we celebrate.
unidentified
Okay.
owen shroyer
Ladies and gentlemen, we're back in the InfoWars War Room.
Devastating the fake news media today with Dr. Steve Pieczenik.
dan friesen
I want to talk more about that clip.
I love it for so many reasons.
First of all, you've got that sort of new metal base that's going behind it.
jordan holmes
That is going good.
dan friesen
It's setting the tone nicely.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a six-string bass.
You can tell.
dan friesen
We're devastating the fake news media.
Fake news media is what's being devastated with Steve Pieczenik while we talk bullshit.
jordan holmes
Does Owen work for the CIA?
dan friesen
My eyes just got really wide.
jordan holmes
Right?
I have broken some serious news to you, Dan.
dan friesen
You know where the CIA is based?
jordan holmes
Where?
dan friesen
St. Louis.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
I don't think it is, but that's where Owen's from.
Anyway, we'll be back for episode 501.
Indeed.
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yeah, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at KnowledgeUnder Fight and at GoToBedJordan.
dan friesen
Well, it's on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook review.
And if you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area.
The fight's not over.
Keep going.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
We'll be back.
dan friesen
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am Daryl Rundis.
I'm devastating the fake news media with Steve fucking Pajanik.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
andy in kansas
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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