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Nov. 6, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#499: Jordan Takes The Wheel 5

Today, Jordan takes over the show to tell Dan about an absurd video sent to him by a relative.

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dan friesen
30:35
j
jordan holmes
40:52
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michael j matt
07:32
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alex jones
00:08
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joe biden
00:09
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unidentified
Knowledge Fight.
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge Fight.
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
I need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge Fight.
KnowledgeFight.com I love you.
jordan holmes
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Fight Knowledge.
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
Hey, and this is a podcast where I like to get together with my friends and we drink familiar beverages and talk about anybody but Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That wasn't too bad, right?
dan friesen
No, that was pretty alright.
jordan holmes
That was pretty alright.
dan friesen
That is the inverse of what our show is.
jordan holmes
I would hope so.
dan friesen
We drink standard-ass beverages.
jordan holmes
Water!
Nothing but water!
dan friesen
Tap.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
unidentified
Room temperature tap water only.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
No novelty to it.
And talk of Alex Jones is forbidden.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
That's how we do it.
dan friesen
Although it's not entirely.
I'm sure he'll come up in some form or another.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Jordan, congratulations.
You've taken the wheel as we have branded these episodes.
jordan holmes
It is the fifth time.
Yes.
dan friesen
And I think that there's a lot of people who are probably thinking like, hey, wasn't there just an election?
What the hell's going on?
jordan holmes
Shouldn't they be talking entirely about that whole thing?
dan friesen
And to address that up front, I want to say that, you know, it's that whole zig-zag thing.
You know, when you think they're going to zig, you get a zag.
jordan holmes
That's when we got a zag.
dan friesen
Yeah, that kind of thing.
jordan holmes
And when you think we're going to zag?
dan friesen
That's when you zag.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I think that everybody would expect to talk about Alex and the election here on this Friday.
jordan holmes
Sure, of course.
dan friesen
That's why you gotta go the entire other direction.
No, the reality is that...
I realize that this is episode 499.
So on Monday we'll be putting out episode 500.
jordan holmes
500?
dan friesen
Yes.
And I thought it was only...
jordan holmes
Canonically 500.
dan friesen
I thought it was only appropriate spiritually that our podcast was born essentially out of...
The election night on Infowars 2016.
And it only kind of makes some sense that we would have episode 500 be this election.
jordan holmes
It would be the...
dan friesen
It almost feels like we would be ruining some kind of a symbolic meaning if we did it today.
jordan holmes
No, it feels like we should both be...
Like a bomb should land on us the moment after we put out the 500th episode.
dan friesen
I'm trying to imagine what other people do who know what they're doing.
And it seems like that's what they would do.
jordan holmes
And they figure out what they're doing well before 500 episodes.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
A lot of people are like, we just did 50 episodes, guys.
Let's all congratulate ourselves.
dan friesen
Let's retire.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
We did it.
dan friesen
So yeah, that will be on Monday.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
And I thought it would be fun also to have, you know, like, it's going to be 500 episodes.
Now we'll have the fifth one that you've taken over.
And I feel like that's appropriate.
jordan holmes
A 100% accurate.
Idea of our division of labor, I think, in general.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Over the 500 episodes.
I would say you have done 495% of the work.
dan friesen
It's possible.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, wait, I don't know how math works.
jordan holmes
Nah, me neither.
dan friesen
So, yeah, also another factor is that we're recording this at a time when, I mean, the election stuff is still...
unidentified
It's not over.
dan friesen
No, it's still a little bit hazy, a little bit...
Unclear.
unidentified
Up in the air?
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think other people probably have a lot of better information as a source than us.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And I don't want to add to any confusion or risk getting something wrong in the middle of this.
Some sort of middle ground, unclear kind of thing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I feel like we could just do a much better job for 500.
jordan holmes
I agree.
I absolutely agree.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, with that said...
Take the wheel.
jordan holmes
Take the wheel, Dan!
How are you?
I'm doing all right.
dan friesen
Wait, wait.
Do you have a bright spot?
Do you have a dark spot?
jordan holmes
Hey, how about...
Ooh, that's dangerous.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's not do that.
jordan holmes
That's a dangerous thing.
No, no, no.
I refuse to do that.
I do have a bright spot.
I have a very simple and obvious bright spot.
I'm sure not everybody has seen it or listened to it yet, but we put out a bonus episode where you did incredibly thoughtful and incredibly nice things for me.
And it was a genuine and beautiful thing, and it really changed my day and, you know, the future.
dan friesen
Well, it's my job to negate that and also say, you're welcome.
jordan holmes
Yeah, thank you very much.
And how about you?
dan friesen
My bright spot is a little less sentimental, probably, but things are going well with the worms.
jordan holmes
Things are going well with the worms.
dan friesen
The worm farm is going much better than I thought it would be.
And I actually got a little mini chopper to chop up food remains to make it smaller just for the worms.
jordan holmes
I thought to chop up the worms to double the amount of worms, right?
That's how they work.
You cut them in half, and then you've got two worms.
I think that's in...
dan friesen
I don't think that you can reliably do that.
jordan holmes
No, never ending.
dan friesen
I just think you chop up the food a little small and then they reproduce.
They'll breed and then you'll have a large worm colony.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed.
dan friesen
And then I'll take over the world.
Me and my worms.
jordan holmes
King of the worms?
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
So that's kind of what is getting me through right now a little bit.
These nice worms.
It's exciting.
It's exciting.
jordan holmes
I'm not...
I'm not shitting on that.
I'm just saying that's an unusual thing to be like...
That's what's really getting me through.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, 2020 is a pretty weird year.
jordan holmes
It is a pretty weird year.
dan friesen
I think we're all learning a lot about some strange, maybe, hobbies or interests.
And I think that's okay.
jordan holmes
That's definitely true.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think any time you have a lot of people who are forced into closer quarters, some things will go viral in terms of hobbies.
Sure.
Everyone got into sourdough.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
Huge, huge.
dan friesen
And then sometimes there are things that are a little bit less universal.
I think worms are pretty cool.
jordan holmes
They are pretty cool.
dan friesen
So, anyway.
jordan holmes
Put them in bread.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Bake them.
unidentified
Do it.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Well, Dan, today, the episode that I have prepared for you is personal.
michael j matt
Oh.
jordan holmes
It is two days before the election.
My uncle decided to text me a clip.
From the interwebs.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
All about how it was titled, The Real Reason They Want You to Hate Donald Trump.
unidentified
Ooh.
jordan holmes
Now, look.
They send that shit to each other.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I've always known that.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That goes around in the email chains.
jordan holmes
Totally.
My family believes in all that bullshit.
Whatever.
Go for it.
Don't send it to me.
dan friesen
Seems like a mistake.
jordan holmes
I wanted to reach through my phone and slap him.
And while I was thinking about reaching through my phone and slapping him, I realized that we do a show.
And that's maybe the best way to reach through your phone and slap someone, right?
dan friesen
I think, yeah.
In many ways, it's the equivalent.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think so.
dan friesen
This is a digital slap.
jordan holmes
He sends me a text of like a six-minute video, and I do an hour and a half explaining why he's wrong about everything.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I like it, right?
dan friesen
Slightly passive-aggressive, possibly.
unidentified
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Aggressive-aggressive.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Very aggressive.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
All right.
So that's what we are going to talk about.
The same person also did a video just yesterday.
A long little video about how the hard right feels right now.
So we're going to add a little bit of that into it as well.
dan friesen
I would say that even after the election, his argument about why people want you to hate Trump should still stand up.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, it would if it were real.
dan friesen
I mean, I think we'll get to the bottom of that being not the case.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Before we get to that, is there something else you need to do?
jordan holmes
I was going to say thank you to some of our Patreons.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I was about to get to that.
I was worried.
dan friesen
I'm sorry.
jordan holmes
I was going to do the whole, but first we have to do, I was very excited because I was thinking about it while you were talking and I was like, he's going to be blown away that I remembered to do this.
dan friesen
Well, I still am, even though I stepped on it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, that's fair.
dan friesen
All right, go for it.
jordan holmes
Anyways, first.
Effie Ophelders, you are now a policy wonk.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
Thank you, Effie.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Effie.
Second, we got Mike O. You are now a policy wonk.
I'm a policy wonk!
dan friesen
Or is that Mike D?
That's a no.
jordan holmes
Your handwriting is...
dan friesen
It leaves something to be desired.
Yeah, my handwriting has never been...
No one has ever accused me of getting an A in calligraphy.
jordan holmes
No, that's true.
That's true.
Well, some people did, but they were conspiracy theorists.
Next!
Adam B., you are now a policy wonk!
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk!
dan friesen
That's actually Adam 8. Gah!
jordan holmes
My handwriting's terrible.
dan friesen
No, it's Adam B. Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Adam.
Next, we have Elizabeth W. You are now a policy wonk.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Former presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren.
jordan holmes
Elizabeth Warren, I would hope that you would donate more than a dollar.
Next, we have Jason C. You are now a policy wonk.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
Thank you, Jason.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Jason.
Next, we have Lieutenant Wiggles.
You are now a policy wonk.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
And finally, we have Thomas K. You are now a policy wonk.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
Thank you very much, Thomas.
dan friesen
Thank you, Lieutenant Wiggles.
I slept on saying thank you after the soundbite.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
And if you feel very, very excited and very generous and you would like to donate to our show, please go ahead and go to our Patreon page.
We'd be very happy if you did that.
dan friesen
Or what you could do is you could take that generosity that you feel, right?
And you can put it in a little box in your living room with a little bit of pumice and some coconut coir.
And chop up little foods to feed that generosity.
And chop that generosity in half.
And now it's two generosities.
Chop those in half.
Four generosities.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
And give those generosity worms to a charity in your area.
jordan holmes
You fucking show off.
I was going to interrupt you and ruin it like 30 times.
And then I was like, you know what?
Let's see how this plays out.
Wrong move.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wrong move.
dan friesen
I'm too good.
jordan holmes
You clearly showed off.
I am a failure?
End the episode now.
There's no reason.
Let's go back to 500 episodes of you.
dan friesen
Episode 500, I'm going to be replacing you, Jordan.
With...
unidentified
You?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I was trying to think of someone insulting, and all I could come up with...
I don't know why, but the person I came up with was Johnny Fairplay from Survivor.
I think it was because I saw his face on Cameo when I was scrolling through.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I will not be replacing you with Johnny Fairplay.
But yeah, I'll give generosity to a bail fund or charity in your area that's helping people in need.
That would be great.
jordan holmes
That would be fantastic.
Now, Dan.
dan friesen
Yes, sir.
jordan holmes
We are going to talk about one fellow named Michael J. Matt.
Have you ever heard of him?
dan friesen
The name doesn't ring a bell.
M-A-T-T-E?
jordan holmes
No, just M-A-T-T.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know, but...
People whose last names are a first name.
jordan holmes
Firsty Firsties?
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know about that.
Except for any of our listeners who that's the case.
unidentified
You didn't choose that.
dan friesen
It's not your fault.
Michael Matt is tough.
jordan holmes
That would be hard.
dan friesen
But I mean, I guess he probably had to live with it his whole life.
jordan holmes
His whole life.
dan friesen
You know, a lot of kids would probably be cruel.
jordan holmes
I will tell you this.
I very much doubt that he interacted with too many kids outside of his sphere, if you will.
That would be a surprise to me.
Anyways, Michael J. Matz is the editor-in-chief of the, I believe it's called The Remnant.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
So now we're getting into some Christian identity stuff.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
It's a far-right Catholic newspaper.
And the video that my uncle sent me was about the Davos Foundation and the World Economic Forum.
And he goes into this nonsense about how COVID is...
It's all about how they're trying to do the Great Reset.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
And he's doing the conspiracy theories about that.
And I didn't want to rehash all of that stuff, because that was the main thrust of the little clip that he sent me.
dan friesen
And we talked about that entire document, that internet presentation that you can find on their website already.
Yeah.
And it doesn't seem that nefarious.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
It's pretty much normal.
And very reasonable.
But...
What I found out in looking into this clip was that it was not the entire thing.
Michael J. Matt does a, like, weekly or bi-weekly show or whatever it is where he talks for about a half hour about whatever bullshit he wants to ramble on about.
And whenever I went through and actually watched the full clip, it was clear that they had edited the entire 20 minutes.
Down to the parts where he talked about Davos.
And there's a whole bunch more in there.
So I wanted to talk about why my uncle sent me this dumb clip without all of the other problematic nonsense.
And he didn't look into whether or not there was problematic nonsense going on.
dan friesen
Okay, so your position is they sanitized this.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
All right.
Yeah, that's interesting, and I think this is actually something that probably is maybe something we should do a little bit more of on the show.
I'm excited that you came up with this idea, because there is something to these kinds of things that get sent around to people.
A lot of times, I mean, maybe...
I hate to say that you're lucky your uncle sent this to you, but in some ways, I don't know how you'd ever see it otherwise.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're not in those little groups.
dan friesen
And I think a lot of people are affected by those things.
And, you know, having a little bit of analysis of that might be something really productive for us in episode 500 plus.
jordan holmes
I don't think that's a bad idea.
And we're about to get into that, but first, let's hear a little out of context drop, Dan.
dan friesen
Get ready to bleep this in advance.
Fuck Michael Bloomberg!
Oh wait, that's not the right one?
jordan holmes
That's a different one.
dan friesen
Okay.
michael j matt
Biden is not a serious candidate.
We can all agree on that, right?
He's not serious.
dan friesen
Not very serious.
jordan holmes
I enjoy...
Too much malarkey!
I'm just leaving that in there for posterity.
I just enjoy having that little thing right there.
That was from the August 6th clip that my uncle sent me.
And just having that little piece in there, knowing what we know today, is very...
It warms my heart just a little bit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that this is, again, I think we talk about this every now and again.
It's like the pro-wrestling strategy of building up your opponent while insulting them is important.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because then if you win or lose, you can still look good in victory or defeat.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
If the person you're against is not a serious candidate and it doesn't matter and all this shit, it doesn't really matter if you win.
And if you lose, it's very sad.
jordan holmes
It's real bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And he's spent a long time.
And what's interesting about this guy is he is a far-right Catholic.
And he absolutely hates Joe Biden for being Catholic.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
But not the right kind of Catholic.
dan friesen
Is he a Vatican II guy?
jordan holmes
No.
He's very much a not-Vatican II guy.
dan friesen
That's what I mean when I say that.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, that's super...
And that's where his whole thing comes from.
It all originates from the schism that happened because of the Vatican II.
dan friesen
Because that Pope said that the Jews weren't evil?
jordan holmes
You got it, Dan!
You fully understand where it comes from.
dan friesen
We have run into a few of these cats on this show in the past.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
So, the first thing in the clip that my...
Uncle sent me.
I start there.
And that six minutes is cut from, you know, the overall 25 minutes little bits here and there.
dan friesen
Is it a presentation in front of people or is it a video he's recording for like a live stream or something?
unidentified
Straight into the camera.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Straight into the camera, recorded video.
dan friesen
Almost like sort of a little vlog?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Almost exactly like that.
So he just opens up in this clip with...
Well, you might guess it if you're talking about Davos.
michael j matt
Well, almost everyone.
There's one guy who's got the power to do something to stop, and you know exactly where I'm going.
And they made a mistake.
They tried to get Trump on their side, so they invited Donald Trump to Davos, I think a couple of times.
But in January, when Donald Trump, I think, really began to see the beast that he was up against, he went to Davos, to the World Economic Forum, and he stuck a mega finger in their eye.
dan friesen
Mega finger.
jordan holmes
A mega finger.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Which seems like a terrible...
Like, you could have tossed MAGA finger in there so easily.
dan friesen
Oh, wow.
Yeah, they could have.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Also, it makes me think of Dane Cook.
Didn't he have a mega finger or super finger or something?
jordan holmes
I just remember him doing the, like...
He got so many laughs from doing the, like, alien...
That was it.
dan friesen
That was his whole bit.
jordan holmes
That's what I remember from Dane Cook.
dan friesen
I don't remember that bit.
I seem to recall some kind of an elevated version of a middle finger.
And mega finger makes me think of that.
And I don't like either.
jordan holmes
Well, that's his basic idea.
dan friesen
He's upsetting the boat.
He's tossing the money changers out of Davos.
jordan holmes
The reality is not that they asked him to go.
He's been twice...
The first time he went was in 2018.
And it was his fucking idea!
dan friesen
Of course.
jordan holmes
He just wanted to go to the globalist headquarters and be like...
Didn't I kick 2017's ass?
Look at all you dum-dums going around there.
They did not invite him to trick him into any kind of evil.
They didn't invite him to be like, when we're having this conversation, I'll secretly be like, hey, globalism?
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll get you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'll tickle your balls a little bit, globalists.
You know, that kind of thing.
And so it was absolutely no one trying to get on his side.
And then as far as the way that his speech was received...
Steve Howard, co-chair of the We Mean Business Coalition, told Financial Times that 20 or 30% applauded at the end of Trump's speech.
dan friesen
That's not bad.
To be fair.
unidentified
For him?
dan friesen
At Davos?
Yeah, that's not bad.
Getting 20 is alright.
jordan holmes
I know.
He said a lot of evil shit, and I feel like at least 40% of them would be on board.
dan friesen
Well, perhaps.
Perhaps.
I think it is really interesting that you had these people who have forever demonized any kind of...
World governance or governing bodies, the UN, the EU, Davos, a particular World Economic Forum.
So whenever Trump went, it was appearing to be...
Engaging in that process.
There had to be such an explanation for it.
There had to be like, he's going there to take them all down from the inside.
That's always fun.
jordan holmes
I think one of the weirder parts about it is he kind of did exactly what they wanted him to do, but they have to explain it in a way that they invited him to trick him into doing the opposite of...
dan friesen
There needs to be more of a story.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they can't be like, my guy went to Davos and was like, fuck you!
dan friesen
I don't know why they wouldn't enjoy that, too.
jordan holmes
He's just a dick!
They love the fact that he's a dick!
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
Just accept it.
So yeah, he's sticking the finger in the eye of Davos.
And this is, of course, when we get into COVID.
dan friesen
Oh, do we?
jordan holmes
So let's play it.
michael j matt
And shortly after the speech at the UN, Donald Trump delivered.
What do you think happened?
The coronavirus was unleashed on the world, and Trump's booming U.S. economy went on life support.
Do you think that was an accident?
dan friesen
I'm guessing he doesn't.
jordan holmes
Ah, he does not say.
dan friesen
Oh, there's that pause there?
You got it.
That silence speaks volumes.
jordan holmes
After listening to several of these episodes, I've decided...
I think it's called, like, The Remnant Hour or something stupid like that.
I've decided to call it Michael J. Matt and the Rhetorical Questions.
dan friesen
Just a lot of, like, leading questions?
jordan holmes
Non-stop, like, does that sound right?
Do you think that?
Do you think that?
dan friesen
That is such a soft strategy.
That is very weak.
You see it around.
jordan holmes
Oh, totally.
dan friesen
Could it possibly be?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Just make a conclusion and stand by it.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
dan friesen
Don't play this game.
jordan holmes
I will tell you something, though, and this is what I found out in my research.
Do you know what else happened on the same day that Trump gave that speech?
dan friesen
Let's see.
Let me see if I can guess.
The first trailer for Tenet came out.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
I believe that was already out in like 2018.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I feel like I've seen a lot of commercials for it.
jordan holmes
No, Dan?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Tony Shalhoub won an Emmy over Steven Root.
dan friesen
Hell yeah.
jordan holmes
And that is why we have COVID.
I can tell you that right now.
What happened after that?
COVID hit.
Do you think that was an accident, Dan?
dan friesen
This is tough for me because I like both of those guys.
I like Steven Root and I like Shalhoub.
jordan holmes
Shalhoub for Marvelous Mrs. Maisel over Steven Root for anything?
unidentified
Come on, man.
dan friesen
I don't know, man.
Shalhoub.
He's a monk.
jordan holmes
Has Steven Root ever won an Emmy?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
See, how many does he deserve?
dan friesen
At least one.
jordan holmes
At least one.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's done a lot of good work in his career.
jordan holmes
He's done amazing work.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's tough.
Wait, he wasn't nominated for Man in the High Castle, was he?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I think it was Barry.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
That makes more sense.
jordan holmes
It does.
dan friesen
Yeah, that Emmy decision was probably what did it.
jordan holmes
I think so.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's what unleashed COVID.
jordan holmes
They got it wrong!
I think that's just what happened.
dan friesen
That's silly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
So, do you think that was an accident, though, Dan?
dan friesen
Well, yeah.
I mean, wait, what?
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
What?
Was what an accident?
jordan holmes
Any of it.
dan friesen
No?
jordan holmes
No?
It's such a bullshit cop-out.
I hate that nonsense.
Especially for people who purport to be like, I'm the mouthpiece of fucking God.
But I don't have the balls to even say what I want to say.
dan friesen
Well, I think that's a behavior that you see out of a lot of people who don't want to be nailed down to specific things.
Because if they do, then they have to own it.
They have to argue it.
They have to argue the implications of it.
And that can be kind of tough.
That can be kind of unpleasant.
And a lot of people don't like doing that.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
It hurts people's feelings.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And, yeah, so he starts off with the rhetorical question trick, and then he gets even fucking worse.
michael j matt
Hello again, ladies and gentlemen.
Michael Matt coming to you once again from the offices of the Remden newspaper.
Here's something you're not apt to hear on mainstream media.
Of the 18 million people in the world who've been infected with the coronavirus, 10.6 million have recovered.
dan friesen
You'll hear numbers like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I forgot to set this clip up.
Those first two were from the six minutes that my uncle sent.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
They were the ones about Davos.
dan friesen
I was confused.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I forgot to...
dan friesen
Oh, no, that's all right.
I thought he was coming in from commercial break or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, that's the start of the actual show.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
So that's where we start.
dan friesen
I reject his premise.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's not terrible.
dan friesen
Yeah, sorry.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
This is August 6th of this year.
So that was back whenever the total number of cases was 18 million.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
And a cursory Google search would be like...
How many cases are there on August 7th?
18 million.
How many people have recovered?
10.6 million.
What does that fucking matter?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Right now, you can see...
dan friesen
Do you want to subtract those numbers?
jordan holmes
Right!
That's the other thing that I was saying.
You might as well say...
Here's what you won't hear in the hard right media.
Of the 18 million people who were infected with COVID, 7.4 million have not recovered.
It's the same thing.
dan friesen
It's the same sentence, just the emphasis in the other direction.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's...
I don't...
I always wonder about that.
The impetus to insist everybody's covering up everything that is just readily available information.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It seems strange.
jordan holmes
So the first thing he says is, here's what you won't hear from the mainstream media.
And you absolutely will, can, and are often hearing it from the mainstream media all the time.
And then, as of today, there's about 49 million cases.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
And it's only going to fucking go up.
dan friesen
So says you!
jordan holmes
So who gives a shit?
unidentified
Hey!
dan friesen
Hey!
jordan holmes
Are you a doctor?
dan friesen
Are you a doctor?
jordan holmes
No, I'm not.
dan friesen
Well...
jordan holmes
I have to be honest.
dan friesen
There you go.
I'm gonna listen to this guy.
Because you're not a doctor.
jordan holmes
I'm afraid I'm not.
dan friesen
If you were a doctor, I'd listen to you over this guy, but you're not.
jordan holmes
That's true.
Would you like to know more about this guy?
dan friesen
Sure, I would love to.
jordan holmes
Do you think you should listen to this guy after what I tell you?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it's not going to shake my trust in him.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
Well, I will tell you this.
He is the editor-in-chief of The Remnant, a far-right Catholic newspaper out of Minneapolis, Minnesota.
This newspaper was created when two brothers got into a fight.
At The Wanderer.
dan friesen
Wow, most good things come out of that.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
dan friesen
That's the backstory of everything.
jordan holmes
Now, The Wanderer is the United States' oldest Catholic newspaper.
It was started all the way back in, like, 1867.
And in 1899, a man named Joseph Matt took over as editor-in-chief of Dare Wanderer.
unidentified
Oh, wouldn't that be lovely if there was no relation?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
So...
It was originally German language only.
It wasn't until 1931 that Joseph Matt made it an English newspaper.
And the reason, or not Joseph Matt, it was his son, Walter Matt, who took over the editorship in that time.
And over that time, it went from being this very small German Catholic newspaper that...
Maybe 3,000 people have read to something that went worldwide, mainly because of the early hatred of the Nazis.
So even in the 1930s, Joseph Matt, a...
You know, German Catholic was just out here telling people to avoid Hitler.
He's the worst dude in the world.
dan friesen
He was Antifa.
jordan holmes
He was Antifa.
He was killing it to the point where fucking Mussolini had Pravda release some like, hey, fuck these guys.
dan friesen
Fuck the Wanderer.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was some serious shit.
And then Vatican II happened.
And so...
Walter and his brother Alphonse, who were both working, Walter being the editor-in-chief at the time, Alphonse working at The Wanderer, decided that one of them really was fine with Jews and non-Catholics, and the other one, not fine with Jews and non-Catholics.
And so, Walter Matt created The Remnant, which was a newspaper that basically exists only to tell you...
Why the Jews and non-Catholics are evil.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
jordan holmes
And guess who that includes now, Dan?
dan friesen
This guy?
jordan holmes
The Pope!
No one who is Catholic.
Is Catholic to the remnant?
dan friesen
Well, sure.
I mean, that's the case with a lot of those folks who believe that the Vatican is now invalid.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
The whole Catholic Church has been led astray, except for our fringe group.
jordan holmes
Everything.
dan friesen
We're the only ones keeping the fire, as it were.
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I always find it amazing how solid a voting bloc Christians are, like, quote-unquote Christians are, when, if you, like, get granular...
They hate each other more than anyone else.
dan friesen
There is a lot of infighting between sects.
That is true.
That is true.
And I think because a lot of it, for the people who get to the more fighty aspects of it, are very apocalyptic.
They are very into the fact or the idea that they have that it's going to come down to an apocalypse.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's very much important that your group be the one that has the right idea.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
And the traditionalist Catholics are, you know, nutbags.
So, Michael J. Matt took over after Walter Matt from The Remnant.
And, of course, Michael Matt's first cousin, Alphonse Jr., is editor of The Wanderer.
So, these guys are third generation...
Catholic bullshit newspaper editors.
dan friesen
But also vicious rivals.
Are they both in Minnesota?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, wow.
That state's not big enough for these two newspapers.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Well, guess which one of them has been labeled a hate group by the SPLC?
dan friesen
I think the smart money is on this guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you are going to be correct.
So, he keeps going on about COVID.
And this is all in the full video.
This is the stuff that, you know, you don't get to see.
dan friesen
That wasn't in the, like, email chain.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
michael j matt
Friends, we need to have a talk.
I mean, let's be really clear right from the outset.
COVID-19 is not a hoax, okay?
Worldwide, over 650,000 people, mostly elderly, have succumbed to it.
This is not a hoax.
Even with skewed death reporting, which we know is going on all over the place, this is a very serious virus.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Right!
You gotta give it up to him.
Whenever he's right.
No, you don't.
Now, the skewed death reporting numbers, look, they're all gonna say that, but at least he's on the, hey, take this seriously.
dan friesen
This is an actual thing.
jordan holmes
Right?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
This is a serious thing.
dan friesen
I mean, but that's not, like, applaudable.
That's just a demonstration of how far out, like, so many of the people that we talk about are.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The fact that we're looking at him and he thinks it's a real virus is notable.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's the only thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
But...
jordan holmes
Credit where it's due from the hard right, with the low bar that we're dealing with.
Dan, how long do you think that credit lasts?
dan friesen
Maybe until this next clip.
jordan holmes
There you go.
michael j matt
But so was the H1N1, the swine flu of 2009, which claimed the lives of half a million people.
So was the Hong Kong flu of 1968, which claimed the lives of up to 4 million people.
Flu is a nasty business.
Now, do you remember these previous epidemics, pandemics?
Probably not.
Why?
Because the media didn't freak us out over those.
The country wasn't shut down.
Healthy people were not quarantined.
Schools weren't closed.
Church services weren't canceled.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Sure, it's a real virus, but we've had viruses in the past.
unidentified
True.
jordan holmes
Nobody remembers them.
dan friesen
I think people do.
jordan holmes
Oh, now, I mean, I'm sure if you related to one of those 500,000 people, you'd be like, oh, I remember that one.
dan friesen
Or if you just went through, like, lived through it.
Like, not even get it.
I remember H1N1.
I don't know anybody.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Off the top of my head that got sick, but, I mean, yeah.
What's his point?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
His point is...
dan friesen
The media.
jordan holmes
It's nothing to worry about.
dan friesen
It's hysteria.
jordan holmes
It's just the media making everything go crazy.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
So I looked into those, and as far as H1N1 goes, he...
kind of...
he's misrepresenting things a little bit.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
The CDC total is an estimate that gives it between 140 and 500,000 deaths.
So that's a pretty wide margin of error to just assume 500,000.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
But...
jordan holmes
Even more, maybe to his point, the United States had about 12,000 deaths total.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
From H1N1.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So if you want to say, why don't we remember those?
Because it didn't lay waste to hundreds of thousands of people.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Why didn't we respond the same way to those?
Because different decisions were made.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And different viruses exist.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And we did a much better job, just frankly, overall with contact tracing, with everything.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This was taken serious from the jump.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Within two weeks of the first H1N1 case in the United States, it was being absolutely attacked and taken care of.
Now, the 1968, quote, Hong Kong flu, as he calls it, which is just as racist then as it is now, my friend.
That one is actually kind of interesting and also instructive in terms of these types of dude.
So it was actually a strain of bird flu called H3N2.
And H3N2's story actually begins in 1957.
In the southwestern province of Guizhou, H2N2 broke out.
And by 1959, over a million people had died between Asia and Europe.
A vaccine was created in just two years, and the outbreak was dimmed.
But even in 1958, Ireland had to close schools.
Britain recommended quarantining in 1968.
Finally, the H2N2 created a new...
It basically mutated.
It reconstituted itself into H3N2.
And this was maybe the first website that went global.
Because of air travel.
dan friesen
The first virus, not website.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Jesus.
jordan holmes
I'm losing my mind.
dan friesen
That's all right.
jordan holmes
I was reading the next note while I'm...
I'm not good at reading notes while talking to you.
dan friesen
But also, at the same time, I mean, websites can go viral, so I feel like I understand where the mind thing was there.
jordan holmes
It happens.
It happens.
So, yeah, that one went crazy.
Now, here is what happened when H3N2 hit the United States.
From the National Library of Medicine's website.
All 50 states experienced increased school absenteeism during the pandemic.
dan friesen
Makes sense.
jordan holmes
23 faced school and college closures.
31 saw elevated worker absenteeism.
All of this stuff was chronicled extensively in every newspaper where there were obviously college closures.
Businesses slowed down.
People were screaming about threats to Christmas mail.
People were screaming about the economy and how this is all going to happen.
In December, Apollo 8 astronauts were vaccinated from getting a space virus, I guess.
The whole fucking thing.
All of this, even during that time, President Lyndon B. Johnson, at one point he was hospitalized with a respiratory infection that could be called...
The flu.
All of this stuff, as described by the New York Times, as one of the worst pandemics in the nation's history.
dan friesen
And we responded in a lot of very similar ways, it turns out.
jordan holmes
All of that stuff was done, and it was done in both kind of a half-ass way and in a very serious way.
But to say that the media did not freak out about it...
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
What a shock.
This guy has a bad point.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And furthermore, H3N2 was reported after multiple studies to have a mortality rate of about half a percent.
COVID's over average is about five times higher than that.
And at high risk categories, it's ten times higher than that.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And there's so much...
I mean, we know more now than we did six months ago or whatever, but there's still a lot of unanswered questions about stuff.
And that makes it much more difficult than a lot of things that are much more closely related to a flu.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
That we have a lot more history of being able to have interventions and treatments with.
jordan holmes
Totally.
But the thing that I keep going back to...
And this is the thing that I just wish more people would understand.
The, quote, Hong Kong flu didn't start until 1968, but it mutated from a different virus that started in 1957.
So whenever people talk about, oh, no, no, no, herd immunity and all of this shit, all of that nonsense, it's like...
This is not about just today.
It's not about just this virus.
This is not something that we can allow to continue to propagate simply because it's going to adapt on its own.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's how these things work.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
That's how they survive.
jordan holmes
So the longer you fucking allow it to roam what is now essentially unchecked, the more we almost certainly guarantee that there's going to be another pandemic shortly.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's just how it fucking works.
dan friesen
Pandemics give rise to higher likelihood of...
jordan holmes
Pandemics.
dan friesen
If not dealt with appropriately.
I can't back that up with any research because I'm just talking off the top of my head.
But it feels like that's the truth.
jordan holmes
Welcome to my job, my friend.
dan friesen
I feel very insecure about the last sentence I said.
Because it felt good saying it, but I really don't know if it's true.
unidentified
Now you understand why I like my job.
jordan holmes
It's not my responsibility.
dan friesen
But conversely, I don't like it.
I feel very untethered.
jordan holmes
I despise having to know what I'm talking about.
It's really freaking me out.
dan friesen
It makes me feel a little bit more secure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
So, yeah.
Why don't we remember stuff like that?
Because assholes like this dude just say, why don't you remember it?
Instead of going back and talking about it.
And talking about how there are obvious parallels and things that we can learn from all of this shit.
dan friesen
And a lot of people did, and they're the people you aren't listening to right now.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
The people who remember these pandemics are the ones trying to help us.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
There's a big difference between remembering that something happened and actually understanding what happened.
And I think that's a distinction.
That is lost in a report like this.
jordan holmes
A little bit.
dan friesen
Yeah, I remember the name.
I don't remember what we did.
But it seems like the media probably wasn't all that up in arms about it.
jordan holmes
Nope, super freaked out.
dan friesen
Well, I don't know.
Let's move on.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's a good idea.
In which case, this is something I would like to move on to, Dan, because in this situation, I am going to need your help.
dan friesen
Sure.
michael j matt
Everyone with a pulse knows Joe Biden can't do this job.
What's he doing there, then?
In my opinion, he's the personified monument to the U.S. presidency that the mob will tear down in January.
They need to reset everything, including the politics of the United States, the governance of the United States.
Besides that, old Joe the Catholic Biden has always been a New World Order guy.
joe biden
The affirmative task we have now is to actually create a new world order.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
Oh boy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh no.
jordan holmes
So here's the thing.
I understand what he's trying to say.
He's trying to say Biden is bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Boo.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What is he actually saying, though?
dan friesen
He's saying that Joe Biden sucks, he's a bad candidate, and that is why they're running him as a sacrificial lamb once he becomes inaugurated, to be taken down, which will take down with it the entire three-part United States government.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Tricks and balances.
I'm trying to come up with words.
jordan holmes
Sure, yeah.
dan friesen
It'll take down the United States government in a way that will create something better, probably some kind of demonic socialist organization of workers or something.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Yeah, he is not...
This is completely out of left field.
This is in the middle of him talking about all of the COVID lies that you're going to hear from everyone.
dan friesen
But that's how they get you ready for Biden to come in and then get him taken down.
And then completely change the United States into Helltown Venezuela or whatever the right wing likes to yell about.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I just don't...
I get him saying, oh, he's the statue that they're going to take down.
And he's trying to say...
If you're right, he's saying that the mob...
dan friesen
Yeah, the left.
jordan holmes
The mob...
dan friesen
The left.
jordan holmes
...has chosen him to then take him down.
dan friesen
No.
No.
The establishment...
Has chosen him because he is vulnerable to being taken down by the mob, who the establishment sort of controls, but maybe they don't sometimes if we need them to not.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Joe Biden will come in, and he'll be so weak that the mob will take him down.
And the establishment will pretend like, oh no, there's nothing we can do!
And then they'll reform the government.
jordan holmes
Okay, so that's the real reason they want you to hate Donald Trump.
dan friesen
And then all the senators become dukes!
jordan holmes
Exactly!
Like, what are you fucking talking about?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Why would anyone run a candidate?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, like, I would also say I'm sick and tired of hearing these people who have clips.
Of them saying the words New World Order.
I do not find this a compelling argument at all.
jordan holmes
There are plenty.
Trump has said New World Order.
And if he says it, they're like, well, yeah, it's the one that we want to create.
dan friesen
They would make the argument that I would make about everybody.
They're talking about a world order that is not the same as the old way of things being organized.
Alliances, tensions.
Things like that.
Disagreements between countries.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
A new way of ordering the world collaboratively and cooperatively.
That's what they would say if, you know, like Trump saying those words.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, of course.
dan friesen
But they won't give that same...
Sort of benefited the doubt to other people.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
It's very dumb.
jordan holmes
They've always been New World Order guys.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
As opposed to Trump, who was never a New World Order guy, because he's always wanted things to stay exactly the same.
dan friesen
I believe that Corn Pop actually got Biden into the New World Order.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
That's what I understand.
jordan holmes
When was that?
dan friesen
That was from one of this guy's other speeches that I heard.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I missed that one.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, he inducted him.
jordan holmes
He did speak at a Trump rally.
He may have said that one then.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so he tosses that out there and then almost immediately goes right back to COVID.
michael j matt
The Great Reset, then, politically, economically, it wants to implement massive socialist programs and, of course, global climate change along the lines of the Green New Deal.
The regulation is going to be unbelievable, and no one, no country will be allowed to opt out of this.
Why?
Well, if an individual country opts out of the Great Reset...
They're going to be endangering the whole world community, the whole world, through future pandemics that will be caused by climate change, Al Gore says, and overpopulation, says Bill Gates.
You see how it works?
No country will be allowed to opt out.
This is what we're facing in November.
jordan holmes
So this is what COVID is creating.
Because it's attacking every country, no country will be allowed to opt out.
That's the idea behind all of this stuff.
And just because you say something with a funny voice doesn't mean it's not still true.
There's no agreement, and I'm sure that whatever agreement they do wind up working out, countries will be able to opt out.
But they shouldn't.
It's a terrible idea.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because it's a global effort.
And this is something that we learn from 1968.
Whenever we're talking about air travel, it goes everywhere.
All of this stuff goes everywhere, which means everywhere has to fight against it.
dan friesen
Yeah, things that are human constructs can't fight things that are just real.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like a border can't fight...
A disease.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's imaginary.
dan friesen
Yeah, even if you have a tightly controlled wall and everything like that, there's still vulnerabilities that you have.
You're never going to be able to completely insulate.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Totally.
And whenever they talk about how we need to deal with climate change in order to keep all of these things taken care of, that is also going to have to be a global effort.
Nobody can opt out of it.
dan friesen
Yeah, pollution here affects places other than here.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Absolutely.
So, just because you can't just be like, oh, everybody has to stay in there, and then be like, okay, well then, you got me.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, I guess if what he was talking about was some kind of authoritarian rule of the planet, I guess I would probably be opposed to that.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But if it, yeah, if it's just...
Working together.
Working together to fight climate change and pandemics.
I don't think that there's a real problem with centralization of unified response.
jordan holmes
You would think.
dan friesen
I don't see that being the same thing the way these guys do.
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
And we are all worried about climate change and pandemics and all of the stuff.
And I want to ask you a question, Dan.
Do you think that the Catholic Church is going to protect you?
dan friesen
Me?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Probably not.
I don't know if they know I exist.
jordan holmes
We'll see.
michael j matt
And if you think the Catholic Church is going to protect you from what's coming, from this globalist takeover nightmare, think again.
We've been through all this before.
Leaving aside Pachamama.
And leaving aside Laudato Si, which is the encyclical of the globalists.
It's the encyclical of the United Nations.
dan friesen
He's using the G word.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Uh-oh.
jordan holmes
We're talking about globalists.
Guess who's one of them?
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's the Pope, buddy.
dan friesen
Oh, of course.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
As soon as people started calling him Cool Pope.
Yep.
unidentified
What?
Fucking dude's a globalist.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
And if you, do you know what Pachamama is?
dan friesen
I was a little bit lost for a minute.
jordan holmes
Or the Laudato Si?
dan friesen
Please explain.
jordan holmes
So Pachamama, whenever he just tosses out Pachamama, I really struggled to figure out what it was that he was so concerned about.
dan friesen
It seems, my radar is up for something offensive.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, so here's what's going on.
In 2019 in October...
There was an indigenous prayer service in the Vatican Gardens.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
And in that Vatican Garden, there was brought an Amazonian female fertility figure named Pachamama.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
And it was just there.
And that, of course, was the signal to everyone that the Pope was actually a pagan and has been trying to destroy the church from the inside.
dan friesen
This checks out.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I gotta say, they have done their homework.
jordan holmes
So that one did it.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
And then the Laudato Si was an encyclical from the Pope in 2015.
And an encyclical is something that's then added to the church.
dan friesen
Like an executive order.
jordan holmes
Basically, yeah, yeah.
The Pope says it because the Pope is the mouthpiece of God.
If he's saying it...
dan friesen
Gotta be right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Well, it turns out that believing that the Pope is the mouthpiece of God is not something that Catholics really do.
They're not really fans of that whenever the Pope disagrees with them.
So, the Laudato Si was essentially this.
I'm going to sum it up for you very, very quickly.
dan friesen
Alright.
jordan holmes
You know all those reasons that you and I think the world is fucked?
Instead of having religion fight science over fixing those, what if we just work together?
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
How would that go?
dan friesen
I'm fine with that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Michael J. Matt and his friends instead heard that and went, No!
dan friesen
Witches.
jordan holmes
I hate you!
dan friesen
Science witches.
jordan holmes
And so all of this stuff, again...
Not really in the video that my uncle sends around.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
He's not finding out through this guy that he's a weird anti-papist Catholic who's been fighting against including Jews in, like, public spaces for his entire life.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, for three generations, like, that kind of thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, which is what you would want to hide if you're trying to get this person's message out about Davos.
jordan holmes
It's a little bit different, isn't it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And so, we continue on with the Pope.
michael j matt
Francis has already announced the global economic reset of his own last year.
I don't know what makes this man think that he's an economist.
I don't know where he learned all of this down in Argentina, but he's an amazing guy.
He knows everything but theology.
Have you noticed that?
dan friesen
I didn't notice that.
I don't pay all that close attention, though, so I hadn't noticed that.
jordan holmes
Well, I will tell you one reason that Pope Francis knows a lot more about the economy than somebody like Michael J. Matt.
Pope Francis used to be Cardinal Bergoglio, before he became Pope.
And he was the cardinal, and he was the archbishop of Venezuela.
During the fucking collapse, whenever inflation went insane.
dan friesen
So he did it?
jordan holmes
He didn't do it.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
You can't prove that.
dan friesen
What I'm hearing is he did it.
jordan holmes
You can't prove that.
dan friesen
He collapsed Venezuela.
jordan holmes
Ah, no.
That was Soros, of course.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Who is mentioned frequently.
dan friesen
I'm sure he is.
jordan holmes
I wonder why.
Yeah.
So, the reason that I will trust him far more than Michael J. Matt is because when all of that went down...
Cardinal Bergoglio decided, fuck all of the trappings.
I'm going to live in a small home.
I'm going to walk to work.
I'm not going to take a fucking limousine when everyone around me is suffering.
So I will immediately trust somebody who is willing to suffer along more than...
Damn near anybody.
dan friesen
Yeah, it seems to be a good indicator of priority.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it seems like there was somebody really important to the Catholic Church who spoke almost exclusively about doing stuff like that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He was really important, too.
I can't remember his name.
Hmm.
dan friesen
It's on the tip of my tongue.
jordan holmes
Somebody who's like, that's the only way to get into heaven, really.
He even said that if you have all those trappings, you're never going to heaven.
dan friesen
Yeah, you can't get through the pin of a needle or whatever the fuck.
jordan holmes
Yeah, who said that?
Who said that?
Somebody really important.
dan friesen
Thomas Jefferson, come on, stop playing games.
jordan holmes
So yeah, that's the end of that August show.
That's what I'm going to play from there.
Obviously, you can guess the Davos hits.
You know, Soros and Gates and all this.
dan friesen
With the Great Reset, it's really interesting because you have this thing about the World Economic Forum and a lot of ideas about new technologies and ways that they can be implemented to help with climate change and things like that.
And meanwhile, you have the people who are the really paranoid conspiracy types.
With the global economic reset, the Nessera and Jessera stuff in the Q communities, and I don't think that they think that they're talking about the same thing, but they're playing with the same idea.
Their paranoia comes from a very similar place.
I think that's really interesting, the way that one's wearing a suit, and the other has a sign and is yelling on the corner.
But it's pretty much the same.
jordan holmes
It's the same bullshit.
Just packaged in different ways for what audience that you're looking for.
dan friesen
Yeah, and then you take this 20-minute thing that this guy did, and then you take six minutes of it, and you package it via Trump ad.
jordan holmes
There you go.
That's how it works.
So yeah, that's the end of that episode.
And this next one that I pulled clips from is from yesterday.
Or what would that be?
Wednesday, November 4th.
dan friesen
Hot off the presses.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
And I've watched a bunch of his videos and he operates very similarly to Alex, but more boring and way worse.
And what he does is he just says a long series of buzzwords and then asks a rhetorical question and then insinuates that you already know.
I know the answer.
And then just moves on really, really quickly to the point where whenever I was cutting clips from this, if you look at the WAV file in any player, it's almost nonstop.
There are barely any breaks where you can cut stuff out of there.
It's just almost like a solid wall.
dan friesen
It's got good cardio.
jordan holmes
Oh, it just keeps fucking going.
And so you get stuff like this.
michael j matt
Actually, there's a lot of good to consider.
You know, right now it just seems so dark.
Nobody wants to talk about it.
But, you know, over the long haul, over the past couple of years, we've been spending a lot of time talking about this idea of, you know, Christ or chaos.
That if a society turns its back on Christ, well, chaos is inevitable.
And this is the thing, my friends.
I mean, right now we're seeing through it.
We're living right through that.
It's playing out in dramatic fashion, in fact, with this election.
Now, I'm not going to tell you that, you know, I can prove that the Democrats are absolutely cheating their way into the White House.
I'm not on the ground.
I don't have any inside dope any more than you do.
I can say this.
It obviously looks that way.
And at the very, very least, you know, we can say that we know they came up with a mail-in ballot scheme that turned the election in Joe Biden's favor, right?
We can all agree on that.
Let's think about that for a minute.
dan friesen
Let's think about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's think about that for a minute, Dan.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
What are all the things that he just tossed in there?
dan friesen
I think I got stuck on the chaos or Christ thing.
I think that's where I kind of...
I mean, I was still listening.
jordan holmes
Don't you remember every society in history?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, whenever we go back through history, every single one that's turned away from Christ gone into chaos, right?
dan friesen
Well, any society that's had sort of a different religious character than Christian, certainly.
Always chaos.
jordan holmes
They were born turning away from Christ, Dan.
dan friesen
That kind of mentality is pretty incompatible with cooperation.
It's definitely not something that you would...
Seed ground.
Yeah.
If the alternative to your religious belief being universal is chaos.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It's a mess.
jordan holmes
And then remember that his religious belief is hating everyone, including Catholics.
dan friesen
That's true.
That's going to be a problem.
jordan holmes
And then what's a mail-in ballot scheme other than people mailed in their...
dan friesen
Sounds like a scheme.
jordan holmes
No, it's just voting.
unidentified
Nah.
jordan holmes
You can mail them in or you can walk them in.
It's the same basic thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's something that's always kind of like bummed me out is like...
You know that Republicans can vote by mail, too.
Exactly!
jordan holmes
Everybody can just mail it, man.
dan friesen
This isn't something that the left is doing nefariously to only benefit themselves.
It's to help people vote in a difficult time.
jordan holmes
You're the ones who made it a virtue signal to not vote by mail, and now you're blaming others for voting by mail?
dan friesen
That's a little bit silly, guys.
jordan holmes
You could have just done it, man.
Just put it in the mail.
dan friesen
It's not hard.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
And, well, you know.
dan friesen
Making it more possible for people to vote is a scheme.
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
Yep.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
And, of course, you know, that whole, like, it's obviously they stole the election.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
I can't prove it.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I'm not on the ground.
jordan holmes
That's what it looks like.
Now, of course, the only evidence that he provided was that Democrats allowed people to mail votes.
dan friesen
Right.
Andy, watch some Info Wars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
This next clip, I halfway put this in here just for posterity.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
michael j matt
Lots of things had to be done, in other words, in order for old Uncle Joe to win.
And imagine if things were turned around, if they were reversed.
Imagine if Donald Trump had devised an 11th hour ballot harvesting scheme that suddenly put him in the lead.
You think that maybe people would be a little upset about that in the media?
I think so.
dan friesen
That's fun to imagine.
jordan holmes
Dan, how do you think he will react if that situation exactly occurs?
dan friesen
Well, here's what I would say.
If everything had gone slightly differently and Trump, even as a president that I thoroughly don't like and don't trust...
I wouldn't think he's trying to steal it by way of expanding access to ballots and stuff.
I don't know.
I hate him.
And I would still think, yeah, that's probably what you gotta do.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That makes sense.
You're just doing a thing that makes sense.
Everything else you did was evil, but this one makes sense.
That's fine.
dan friesen
People need to be protected as best as possible, and people need to vote.
So, if you're doing that, I still hate you, but that's cool.
jordan holmes
Keep doing that.
Imagining that we are talking about Matt's scenario, wherein he actually does find some scheme to steal the election at the 11th hour.
Unheard of.
Do you think Michael Matt is going to be like, hey, I don't like these schemes stealing votes and all that stuff?
dan friesen
I suspect they won't be schemes at that point.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
They'll be honest-to-God ballots, I'm sure.
I'm sure.
dan friesen
Real organic folks coming out to protest the Democrats stealing.
jordan holmes
Last minute votes and all of that stuff.
I just want that there just for when it does happen.
And I can just pull that up and be like, go fuck yourself.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Yep.
And so he does his similar rhetorical question that assumes the answer in Brooke's no discussion situation all over again.
michael j matt
And the other thing is, I mean, does anyone question that this party of death, the party that campaigned on the right, the fundamental right to terminate the lives of unborn babies, does anybody question that such a party would indeed cheat their way into the White House if they thought they could get away with it?
dan friesen
That makes no sense.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
Like, just from a structural standpoint of an argument, that makes no sense.
I believe them to be evil because of reproductive rights.
Yep.
Therefore...
They would steal an election.
jordan holmes
They would do anything.
unidentified
Cool.
jordan holmes
His argument is, if you're fine with abortion, then you are already pre-guilty of anything I suspect of you.
dan friesen
Yeah, or at least I'm willing to make that argument based on nothing that you could do it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
And this is another one of those situations where...
dan friesen
That makes me think of that Larry Nichols thing where he's like, I never said that Hillary killed anyone, but...
Am I saying that she has the kind of personality where if someone did get killed, she'd be upset about it?
No.
All right.
jordan holmes
So?
dan friesen
Go fuck yourself, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
unidentified
That's nothing.
dan friesen
I have decided that their moral character is such that they would steal an election.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Cool.
jordan holmes
Next.
What else do you got to say?
dan friesen
I hate the Pope.
jordan holmes
See, but that's way more fun than the way this dude is just hating the Pope.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
That's boring.
unidentified
True.
jordan holmes
This clip is a good example of, like, one of those situations where he just rambles along without stopping.
So there's no real place to, like, cut and cut out without losing a bunch.
So I'll just say that after he says all the things, you know, after he says that because Democrats are fine with abortion, they are willing to steal anything.
And then he lists several examples of other things that they would be willing to do if you want, including murder and yada.
dan friesen
Fitz Foster.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The whole thing.
The whole thing, and it's so long, and I just don't want to deal with his bullshit.
So, then he stops doing that, and we get to his next point.
michael j matt
Essentially, what they're preaching is that doing whatever we want to do should become the whole of the law.
Uh-oh.
Which is the essence of Satanism.
jordan holmes
There we go!
michael j matt
So, when you think about it in that way, the big news today would be if the Democrats didn't cheat in these elections.
They are baby killers.
Of course they're cheaters.
unidentified
Hmm.
jordan holmes
So we've gone from...
Of course they...
I believe they would do it to...
Yeah, they did it.
Of course they did it.
Why would you assume they didn't do it?
dan friesen
And we've reached Crowley.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
There are Satanists to do without wilts.
dan friesen
It's gotta come at some point.
There has to be a goddamn Crowley reference.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Absolutely.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
And that's just...
It's just so, like...
They are baby killers, the end.
Like, you have no room for any conversation with that.
There's no, like, hey, what's your tax policy?
Nope, you're a baby killer.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So, graduated income tax, get the fuck out of here!
Like, it's just that simple to these people, and that is fucking terrifying.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Yep.
No, I agree.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
And, as far as other things that terrify me, Try this.
michael j matt
Oh.
dan friesen
Can I try it on for size?
jordan holmes
Please do.
michael j matt
But we still won in the long term, in the long run.
Trump has remade that pathetic Republican Party, for which I refused to vote when they were running Romney and McCain's back in the day.
He's turned that Republican Party into a pro-life, pro-God, pro-family, pro-blue-collar working American Party.
That took the best shot now from George Soros and his millions and his minions.
Took the best shot these guys had to offer.
But guess what?
We're still standing.
They're still debating this election.
After all of that...
jordan holmes
That evil laugh at the end really gets me.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's upsetting.
jordan holmes
And furthermore, the things that he listed.
He's turned the Republican Party into a pro-life, pro-family, you know, that whole thing, and I'm just going...
Pro-working class.
And I'm just sitting there going like...
The party that sentenced several hundred thousand people to death is pro-life.
The party that separates children from their families is pro-family.
And the party that has absolutely destroyed the working class with no interest in any kind of stimulus package, anything along those lines, no interest in doing anything good, is the party of the working class.
dan friesen
It's pretty silly.
jordan holmes
That's what these people think!
dan friesen
Well, I think that what they think is that...
Well, I think what they don't think, or they don't realize, Is that Trump has become that to them because they did that.
They created this projection that they've applied to him.
jordan holmes
You got it.
dan friesen
And I think that Trump is such a dick in a blank slate in terms of any real, seemingly any real care about anything.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're able to do that.
And whatever works the best, he leans into.
Whatever seems to get these ding-dongs excited, he's like, yeah, hooray, make America great.
Wasn't that fun?
Lock her up.
That chant did real well.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
You know, that kind of stuff.
jordan holmes
Bring out the hits, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I think that he doesn't realize that Trump is his candidate because he's so vapid, and you've been able to mold him into what you want him to be.
It's one of the reasons why the left is disappointed with Biden, is because he's not an empty blank slate.
jordan holmes
That's a really good point.
dan friesen
He has things that disagree with some of the political beliefs of people who are more to the left.
And if he was just an opportunist like Trump, he might have won more handily.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's probably true.
That's a really good point.
Man, he should have just lied.
dan friesen
He's a baby killer.
unidentified
What do you think he wasn't lying?
jordan holmes
Of course I don't think he was lying.
I don't know.
He seemed too odd.
Now, admittedly, he was killing a baby at the time, so that would probably have been a sign, but what are you going to do?
Now, Dan, I think, as we all know from listening to Alex, that if Biden officially takes this election, God will have been defeated, correct?
dan friesen
I mean, I think it's gray, but yeah, it's sort of.
God's plan will be put backwards.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Or something.
God himself will not have been defeated.
That's blasphemy.
jordan holmes
But he at least defeated God in this battle.
dan friesen
At the polls.
Yes, exactly.
jordan holmes
Now, do you think he's defeated God?
dan friesen
Probably not.
michael j matt
So maybe we're going to lose this election because of dirty tricks and cheating on the other side, but that won't change the fact that we put the world on notice, friends.
Don't forget this.
Tell this.
Spread this around.
We put the world on notice that God is not dead, that he lives in us, that he lives in our families, that he lives in our unborn children, and that we will fight to the death for him and for any politician, for anyone who's willing to call out his name in the face of a neo-pagan world.
dan friesen
God's Not Dead was that movie, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
With Sorbo?
dan friesen
Kevin Sorbo?
jordan holmes
I think it was Kevin Sorbo, yeah.
dan friesen
That sounds right.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
It's good to know that God is officially not dead.
dan friesen
Right.
And we've been put on notice by people like this guy.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
And it's freaking me out that he's doing a little bit of what we have conjectured that Alex was trying to pull off at the end of 2016 election, where he's trying to say, like, It was a moral victory.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, Trump brought all of this to the forefront, and we got this moral victory.
Sure, we didn't win this election, but here we go.
dan friesen
That's how you have to redefine things now.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And I honestly don't think that that is a uniquely, like, these guys kind of thing.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, totally.
dan friesen
I mean like when there are you know Electoral victories that don't go your way or electoral contests sometimes you do have to look down ballot and see like well, yep I think that's a normal human thing.
Totally.
unidentified
Now, it doesn't work that well when it's the battle between good and evil.
jordan holmes
There is that.
dan friesen
That's where it kind of has a disconnect.
When it's just an election and it's just like...
Hey, you know, I don't like this candidate.
I'm more comfortable with this one.
You can kind of take solace in some victories and think like, well, we'll get some more work done next time.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't think you should do that when it's the devil.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, when you say literally, my opponents are baby killers who will do anything because if they're capable of that...
Then you can't trust them ever on anything, and you're willing to die for any politician who says the word Christ, unless they're a Democrat, in which case they can't possibly believe in God.
dan friesen
No, then they're lying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
They're lying about God.
So it's difficult to play the normal, rational games when you've elevated things to an irrational level.
That's very strange to me.
jordan holmes
And I think you could pull that off much better if Trump had never won.
Now that we are where we are, when people are talking about how Trumpism isn't going anywhere, this is a great example of that kind of thought process because it's literally, it's not just, we lost this election and we're going to pull it together and take care of it.
It's, we're ready to kill for him and we are ready to die for him now.
dan friesen
Yeah, but we're not gonna.
jordan holmes
Probably not.
dan friesen
At least people like him aren't going to.
unidentified
No, no chance.
dan friesen
That's where there's a control of the insanity.
It's not just like, we've completely lost it and it's time for a holy war.
That is an effective tool that we can use to further our political goals and further whatever our business is for people like Alex.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And then once that season is over or whatever, if Trump loses, then you do have to go back to a more restrained...
Sure.
Yeah, you know, let's count the victories we've got.
Trump destroyed political correctness or whatever.
jordan holmes
You got it.
dan friesen
Yeah, you have to do that.
And you're totally right.
It would be so much better for everyone in that grifty community if Trump had never won, because then they could keep playing the same.
Like, it made more sense in 2016.
We were hearing Alex play the sort of, you know, hey, even if they steal it, Trump still won.
And, you know, it's great.
We can hang our head high.
That made sense then.
It does not make sense now.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And it's gonna be...
It's just a difficult move.
When you've...
Basically said that Western civilization is over.
jordan holmes
It's hard to go back from that.
Yeah.
Okay, it's over, but not if we win four years from now.
That's how it works.
dan friesen
It's over, but the midterms are coming.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
What?
The devil can't win a midterm?
jordan holmes
And to your point, let's start talking about moral victories, Dan.
What do you think is the most impressive thing Trump has done?
dan friesen
That's interesting.
I don't know.
I'm trying to put myself in that mindset.
I know for Alex, the thing he always goes to is he got out of the TPP.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I guess maybe that or the Paris Accords.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Something about God.
jordan holmes
I think the answer will surprise you.
dan friesen
Paula White Kane?
jordan holmes
Maybe.
michael j matt
You see, he also showed that Christ wins elections.
That Christians can win elections in America.
That's just amazing, friends.
jordan holmes
Hmm.
Amazing, Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Christians can win elections in the United States.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's amazing.
Now, admittedly, literally every president has been a Christian.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
One of them was Catholic, but he disagrees because he was a fan of Vatican II.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
So that one doesn't count.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
I guess no Christians have won an election.
Recently.
dan friesen
Oh, see, I heard it the other way.
I heard it being the Christian voters can win the election.
unidentified
Uh-uh.
dan friesen
That's what I heard from...
Oh, okay, see...
jordan holmes
Straight up, Christians can win elections.
dan friesen
Okay, so he's talking about it as a candidate.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Not as, like, a voting bloc.
unidentified
Uh-uh.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's even weirder than how weird it was the way I heard it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
Because that's also insane.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It was also a strange, strange thing to think.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like, literally...
Most people in the United States have been Christian throughout our history.
Yeah.
Aside from when we colonialized every fucking thing and killed everybody.
dan friesen
And it's a sizable voting bloc.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
A very sizable voting bloc.
So, that's insane.
That's insane.
dan friesen
That is very weird.
jordan holmes
But, you know, Dan, it's because of Trump that, you know, Christians weren't afraid.
But now that Biden might be president...
dan friesen
Time to get scared?
jordan holmes
They could be afraid, Dan.
New to being afraid.
dan friesen
I don't know if you're doing this just to intentionally ask me a bunch of rhetorical questions.
jordan holmes
Thank you!
Thank you for catching up with me!
dan friesen
God damn it!
jordan holmes
That was the whole idea!
dan friesen
It's as annoying coming from you as it is from him.
jordan holmes
Then, if anybody can prove how annoying rhetorical questions are, who could it be better than me?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think they'll be scared?
Is that what I'm supposed to say?
jordan holmes
Probably.
michael j matt
And being afraid is nothing new for us.
Heck, I grew up as a child of the Cold War, where the communists were putting millions of people to death in gulags all over the world, and we always thought they were going to come.
You know?
We're hiding out in the woods half the time, preparing, you know, learning how to shoot and hunt and defend ourselves, worry about the communists.
We grew up that way.
dan friesen
I would argue you are still growing up that way.
jordan holmes
I actually played this clip, or I grabbed this clip immediately just because I feel like this confirms or at least adds to the evidence of one of your main theories about all these right-wing ding-dongs.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, it is a lot of the, like, sort of emotional scar ripples of the Cold War.
It's so traumatic to...
I don't actually have a full theory on why that is or to what extent that explains a lot of this stuff, but it's the same way that every single person that is an expert on Alex's show or on one of these other shows was mixed up in Iran-Contra.
Every single person was involved in Iran-Contra.
And it's kind of the same.
You scratch any of these right-wing, hard-right guys, there is going to be some extreme feelings about the Cold War.
And a very strong insistence that it is still going on, that McCarthyism was cool.
jordan holmes
It's great.
dan friesen
And, yeah.
jordan holmes
Why shouldn't people be blacklisted for being Jewish?
That makes perfect sense to him.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's, yeah, it's...
In much the same way that slavery and the aftermath of it is an untreated wound in the American psyche, I think the Cold War is another one.
I think it's another one where we lost our minds, everyone distrusted each other to an extent that was unsustainable, and we never really dealt with it.
And I think that society would go a long way if we could figure out ways.
to deal with these things as opposed to repressing them and getting angry and feeling guilt or projected guilt like any of that stuff.
I think we'd be better off and unfortunately I don't think we're gonna do that.
jordan holmes
I mean you see exactly that kind of idea is Because we haven't dealt with it, because it's a still open wound, so many people are also susceptible to the same anti-communist propaganda.
Like, what do you think this guy...
Do you think this guy is a Pez dispenser?
Oh, yeah.
Of course he is.
Like, all of these guys just have that same propaganda in their back pocket at all times.
And it's always effective.
So...
That's basically it.
This is our last clip, and I think I'll open it with one more rhetorical question, Dan.
Should weirdo Christians be discouraged?
unidentified
Hmm.
Don't be discouraged.
michael j matt
Trump's not going away anyway, and neither are the pickup trucks and the flags and the boats.
And the millions of Americans who are absolutely woke to the New World Order and to the demons that want to build it, thanks to what happened over the course of the past four years in God's providence.
dan friesen
That's a lot of words.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Providence.
unidentified
Woke.
dan friesen
Beautiful boats.
jordan holmes
You got it.
dan friesen
When you said, should weirdo Christians be discouraged, I thought it was an interesting question because, you know, the way I heard it from you was, should they be discouraged from being weirdo Christians?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And when he's saying that, he's saying, should they be discouraged in terms of what's going on in the world?
jordan holmes
Sure!
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Should they feel like there's a setback?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yep.
dan friesen
That's why those sorts of questions are dangerous.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You might be asking something that someone hears differently.
jordan holmes
It was a rhetorical question.
unidentified
I think...
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think Trump is probably going away.
jordan holmes
You think so?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, if he loses, I don't think he has much relevance.
He's just a prop to the people who support his movement anyway.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's just up to some more competent right-wing asshole to step in and take that mantle.
jordan holmes
That's why I am discouraged.
Because he's right.
Those trucks aren't going anywhere.
The boats aren't going anywhere.
You might be right in that Trump personally is done.
Because who gives a fuck now?
But the movement...
Those trucks aren't going away.
It's just going to be some other fucking shit cult leader.
dan friesen
Yeah, those people are just now sitting ducks for indoctrination to whatever the next person who scratches that itch is.
And that'll probably be a fairly familiar name.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
We'll see.
dan friesen
Dinesh D'Souza will be the next right-wing cult leader.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, it should have been...
jordan holmes
It should have gone better because, I don't know, but they're definitely not going anywhere.
And it's a testament to this bullshit that my uncle, so far as I know, is absolutely not Catholic.
I don't remember him converting recently.
And interestingly enough, it's only because of Vatican II that he would even talk to my uncle.
Because my uncle's a non-Catholic.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Like, this is the type of shit where somehow they create this nonsense coalition of stupid beliefs and they hate each other.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's amazing to me.
dan friesen
That is funny that I never even thought for a second that your uncle wasn't Catholic based on the fact that he was sending you this video.
jordan holmes
You would think, right?
But I think this happens all the time.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, I would guarantee this happens...
All the time.
People are sending these things that agree with them.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Short clips.
And if you back up, all of a sudden you're like...
Oh, shit!
I didn't know I was being anti-Semitic bar sending you this shit!
dan friesen
Fuck!
I don't know the context of any of this stuff that I'm passing along.
Exactly.
I think that's one of the dangers of the social media age, too.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
I think a lot of people are guilty of that.
I think everybody can do a little bit of a better job of, you know...
I hate to say this because it becomes a thing where it's like, well, think before you retweet.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
That slows down the retweets.
But it might be better for everyone if people did that.
jordan holmes
Just retweet our links.
I think makes sense.
dan friesen
Stop and think.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
About whether or not to retweet it.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But, Dan, that is...
Do you have any closing thoughts on that?
dan friesen
No.
Other...
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Well, then never mind.
dan friesen
Click.
No, other than I would say I think that it's interesting whenever we go down one of these episodes that you take over that we get a glimpse of somebody that we've never heard before but is weirdly very familiar.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And it also is like, you know, hey, we need more people.
To talk about, you know, like we need more...
People who have shows that are interesting, and I think they're all whiffs.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not your fault.
jordan holmes
Every single one of them.
dan friesen
I just think there's no charisma coming.
This guy's a charisma vacuum.
jordan holmes
No, I fought.
dan friesen
He's making weird mouth noises.
jordan holmes
I fought real hard to find an actual episode out of this guy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, it is bad.
dan friesen
No, I think you did a yeoman's job, but I think that he's just not somebody that I could ever be interested in hearing more from.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Not gonna sustain this.
dan friesen
Yeah, but it does sort of depict the sort of, you know, the...
The intended message is this video that got sent to you, and then what's behind it is something that is...
That's something that is good to point out and be aware of.
So thank you, Jordan.
jordan holmes
You are very welcome.
dan friesen
Thanks for bringing that to our attention.
jordan holmes
And remember...
That was personal.
Take that, uncle.
Absolutely, Dan.
But until, I believe we're going to have an episode on Monday, maybe?
dan friesen
Yeah, that's right.
We'll have an episode with 500.
jordan holmes
You think, oh, it's 500?
dan friesen
That's what I've heard.
jordan holmes
Is that an important number?
dan friesen
I mean, not really, but we're going to pretend a little bit.
jordan holmes
All right, I think that's fair.
dan friesen
Sure.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at KnowledgeFight, and I go to Ben Jordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
If you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
We'll be back, but until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZXClark.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
I'm the Juiciest Ice Cube.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
dan friesen
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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