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Oct. 26, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#495: November 4-6, 2016

Jordan Holmes and Dan Friesen dissect Alex Jones’ November 4–6, 2016, episodes, where he peddled baseless claims—like Hillary Clinton’s alleged "Antichrist" ties, Podesta emails as occult evidence, and ISIS complicity in her policies—while guests like Doug Hagman and Larry Nichols amplified thinly sourced conspiracy theories. Jones’ shift from Trump’s victory narrative to post-loss propaganda, including racially coded warnings ("super white goths") and misrepresented séances, reveals a strategy built on fearmongering rather than substance, proving his rhetoric thrives on fiction even when facts favor him. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 15:27
d
dan friesen
53:57
j
jordan holmes
22:09
Appearances
d
doug hagmann
01:05
l
larry nichols
01:10
r
roger stone
r 01:42
Clips
b
buckley hamman
infowars 00:22
Callers
andy in kansas
callers 00:06
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang B are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge and fight.
roger stone
Dan and Jordan.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need, I need money.
Andy and Pansy.
unidentified
Andy and Pandy.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas.
roger stone
Andy.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
unidentified
Thanks for holding us.
andy in kansas
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish pin caller over here saying I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dam.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Damn.
dan friesen
Mr. Jones, if you're nasty.
jordan holmes
No, we are not.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No, we're very kind people.
This is a family show.
dan friesen
It is.
Family show.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
100%.
jordan holmes
Dan, I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
Why don't you go first?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan, is over the weekend.
You and I got together.
dan friesen
Had a game night night.
jordan holmes
We had a lovely game night, and we did not record it for a podcast.
dan friesen
Yeah, we could have, though.
There's hilarity.
Hilarity.
God, why don't we monetize social interaction?
jordan holmes
Everything?
No, my bright spot is that it was great.
We haven't really hung out too much outside of the context of business.
So it was really good because we started this whole thing as just really good friends who want to hang out more with each other.
And now we're back in the reverse situation where we're hanging out less professionally or more professionally than we are socially.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's true.
jordan holmes
It was nice.
dan friesen
It was very nice.
jordan holmes
It was lovely.
I enjoyed it.
dan friesen
Yeah, I had a great time as well.
Good time.
jordan holmes
Sounds like it helped.
dan friesen
Look, what do you want me to do?
I'm a monotone guy.
That is very nice.
My bright spot, Jordan.
Is something that's going to piss off the anti-maskers.
jordan holmes
Masks.
That would piss off the anti-maskers, yeah.
dan friesen
Because it's winter.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And now you got a mask.
It's great.
In Chicago, a mask is a nice.
It gives you face nice.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It keeps your face nice and warm.
dan friesen
Everybody's always like, you got a beard.
It must be great during the winter.
It doesn't help that much.
jordan holmes
It doesn't do that much.
dan friesen
Wind gets between the hairs.
jordan holmes
It does.
dan friesen
But a mask.
jordan holmes
It's not that thick.
dan friesen
A mask, my friend.
Fantastic.
I would like to see.
jordan holmes
I was round upon to wear a balaclava all the time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You felt very self-conscious about having something that was a face covering in the winter previously.
Or it was just too burdensome or whatever.
You wouldn't have to.
jordan holmes
You don't wear a scarf around your face or nothing.
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
And, you know, in the past, I've had some scarves, but they've been tough to keep on the head.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But now, I mean, it's great.
Even if there wasn't a virus, I'd be wearing a mask over.
But I don't know what these anti-maskers are all going on about.
It's very comfortable.
unidentified
Now that it's socially acceptable, it's chilly as hell.
dan friesen
Anyway, this leads me to opening up the mailbag Z. All right.
Typically, we have been doing some mailbag stuff on our bonus episodes, which you can find, even if you're not a subscriber over on Patreon, our Patreon page.
jordan holmes
No charge or nothing.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Just go to the page.
dan friesen
That is where we've done more of the Zipping of the mailbag.
But I felt like this was important to go ahead and toss over your way.
jordan holmes
Ooh, this is nice.
unidentified
Yes, we got a couple of hats from Christina A.
jordan holmes
Oh, we got some hats.
dan friesen
Yeah.
They say policy wonk and raptor princess.
jordan holmes
That is fucking awesome.
dan friesen
Some nice winter hats.
jordan holmes
That is so cool.
dan friesen
Dan and Jordan, I hope these hats keep your heads warm during the coming Chicago winter.
Making them was a pain in the ass, but you guys are worth it, even though Jordan has a garbage opinion on shit's creep.
jordan holmes
I accept that.
dan friesen
So, I got a post script here.
We harvested 11 butternut squashes off one plant this year.
Congratulations.
jordan holmes
Wow, that's really good.
dan friesen
Had to brag to my plant guy.
I applaud you.
Although I'm not a squash guy, I'm not a squash guy.
I'm not a gourd lord.
jordan holmes
Is that what they call themselves?
unidentified
I don't hoard the gourds.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Maybe I should try more of them.
Maybe I've given squash a bad rap.
I think it may be something that's worth exploring in the future.
jordan holmes
If you were a giant robot in the Power Rangers, given a title and I know where you're going with this.
Like to maintain a large number of pumpkins.
dan friesen
Land it.
jordan holmes
What would you be?
dan friesen
Gourd Zord?
jordan holmes
No, you would be a Lord Zord hoarding gourds.
dan friesen
Oh.
I didn't realize it was going to have.
jordan holmes
That's why the Power Rangers was involved.
dan friesen
I think you put a hat on a hat.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
I think I did put a hoard on a hat.
dan friesen
The Zord is all you need.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
That is fair.
dan friesen
Anyway, Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over.
I'm going to say that this is part one of two because something I intended to do, I realized, like, ah, there's a bit more here than can be.
So next Monday will be the second part of this.
Day before the 2020 election.
Kind of fitting because what we're doing is we're looking at the days prior to the 2016 election on the Alex Jones show.
A little blind spot in our history of covering Alex.
And I actually think that I come away from this with a bit of a new understanding of what was going on.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I think I have a working theory that I have just a lot of Coke.
jordan holmes
Just tons of Coke.
dan friesen
Now, it doesn't seem like anyone's on Coke.
But I do think that there is a feeling that a lot of people have suggested, floated that I've been resistant to.
But looking at this actual timeframe makes me a little bit more open-minded.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And we'll get to that as we go along.
I think we'll bear that out as we do.
But like I said, we're going to be looking at November 4th, 5th, and 6th today, which is Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
And actually, we're not going to look at Saturday because it's mostly Owen Schroyer and Joe Biggs.
Right, but Alex did a very special Saturday broadcast.
So we're going to be looking mostly at Friday and Sunday.
And then part two is Monday.
And Alex was doing a 52-hour marathon on Monday that culminated in the election.
jordan holmes
Oh, Jesus.
dan friesen
And we're going to be looking at the beginning stages of that on Monday.
Okay.
Next Monday.
And then, okay, gotcha.
But before we get to business on this, Jordan, let's take a little moment.
Say thank you.
Some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
jordan holmes
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
So, first, Mark with a C.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And then last initial L. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Mark.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Ray B. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Ray B. Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Nate and Kate.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thanks, Nate and Kate.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Andrew P. Thank you so much.
You are an Al Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Andrew.
dan friesen
You know what that P stands for?
jordan holmes
What does it stand for?
dan friesen
Policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Oh, nice.
dan friesen
Next, Ryan W. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Ryan.
unidentified
Thank you.
jordan holmes
You know what that W stands for?
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
Wonka Lee Pauls.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Next, Melissa M. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Melissa.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Rebecca H. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Rebecca.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple of folks who donated on Elevated Level.
Appreciate that very much.
So first, Yana B. Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Ben Ghazi and the Buttery Mails.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy or technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crocky mate, that's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We got to go full-tailed buggy on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare info war on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Yana, and thank you so much, Benghazi and the Buttery Mails.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and thinking, hey, I enjoy this show.
I like to support with these gents, too.
You can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button to support the show.
We would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
What you could do is rekindle your friendship with generosity, invite generosity over to your place, eat some pizza, play some party games together, and then send that generosity back out into the world to a local charity or bail fund in your area.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, we're going to get our toes in the water here on the 4th, November 4th, 2016.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex has some big news.
jordan holmes
How did it go?
dan friesen
The election did not go great for things that we would have wanted to happen.
That's fair.
Alex has some big news.
There's a headline about the FBI.
All right.
alex jones
The FBI said, quote, we believe she's the Antichrist and will destroy the world.
If you actually go further, what they said, that they believe that she'll want to destroy the earth.
The FBI doesn't talk like that, folks.
I told you a month ago, I said Obama and Hillary are devil worshipers.
The Secret Service has told me, members of the military have told me that Obama seems really nice.
And then all of a sudden, you'll be walking down the hall and it's like, in fact, I didn't tell you half of it.
Okay.
Just it's these people are scared.
I told you they're having nightmares.
They don't want to be there.
It's very dark, is the words I was told.
And Hillary's even worse, folks, okay?
dan friesen
So we were looking at earlier in 2016 and noting how little demon there was.
jordan holmes
No, zero demon.
dan friesen
Now, by November 4th, pretty hard to the demons.
jordan holmes
The FBI went apocalypse on us and said that Hillary Clinton was going to end the world.
There were documents?
dan friesen
Well, there was a London Guardian, I believe.
A Guardian headline, maybe.
I don't remember exactly what paper it was in, but some anonymous FBI person came out and said that, hey, there's a lot of people who think that she's Satan incarnate.
Speaking metaphorically, of course, but Alex has now taken that as kind of literal.
She is basically the Beelzebub walking the earth.
jordan holmes
Is our next investigation going to be the moment that we went from metaphorical devil to literal devil?
dan friesen
I hope not.
But it is interesting to me that within the span of this year, that tone does seem to have shifted quite a bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like it's this episode is a lot of Satan.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And so by at least November 4th, 2016, that shift is notable.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that day does make sense, though.
Like, this is back to our the worse Trump is, the worse they have to portray the enemy as.
And we're already at the point now where Trump is so bad, the only thing worse is the literal Christian devil.
dan friesen
Somewhat.
I think the other thing is the popularity of the online Pizzagate stuff.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And there was so much of that that dipped into the occult, the macabre.
jordan holmes
That's true, yeah.
dan friesen
I think that that is a large portion of it because it's kind of like, hey, get there how you get there.
You know, if there's a train heading where you're going, jump on that train.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And if that train happens to be talking about the devil all the time, well, that's the train you're going to be on.
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
And that train will jump a shark eventually.
dan friesen
Yep.
And Alex talks a lot, a lot about Podesta's emails.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
This is who Podesta and Hillary run with.
Podesta goes, this is in his emails, to the events, and they discuss what's on the menu.
Placentis, flesh parts, blood, lots of blood, mainly blood.
And they talk in clear code about what else is on the menu.
unidentified
What's that?
alex jones
In the menu promo pack, it shows a child's severed head appears to be an effigy with the ground up blood being dumped on top of it.
The blood and other tissues.
There is a ceremonial cookie made to look like a child that is black, purple, blood, that is enjoyed.
Now, this is all in Aleister Crowley's writings.
That's why instantly this morning, when I saw it in Paul Watson's story, that's up on drudgereport.com, I knew what it was.
dan friesen
Hey, look, it's a gingerbread man.
Gingerbread man.
They're eating a man cookie.
jordan holmes
All right.
So now we're bringing Crowley is right into our mythology.
unidentified
Well.
jordan holmes
Crowley knew what was going on.
Crowley was not a charlatan or a liar.
dan friesen
Here's how Alex would thread that needle.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm not saying he's right, but they think he's right.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
unidentified
And therefore, we must fight them as if they are right.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right, fine.
dan friesen
That's nonsense.
jordan holmes
So Crowley's in play is what we're doing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I went ahead and searched through all the Podesta emails that WikiLeaks released that included the word menu, and I'm not sure I came to similar conclusions that Alex did.
For some context, the word appears 211 times in the released messages.
The first email that comes up is between the Podestas and Ashok and Amitra Mahbubani.
The exchange was about planning a dinner party when the Mahubanis, they returned from Morocco, and the dishes suggested were mixed grill of tandoori chicken, lamb, and lahori fish, garlic naan, Greek yogurt with shredded cucumber, and a lentil dish.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but they put children in there.
So that's why it's called naan.
dan friesen
The next is the Georgetown Alumni Association message, which includes a bunch of different events, including a cooking class, quote, with a menu of Florentine favorites, such as Tuscan country soup and ravioli with shrimp and scallops.
jordan holmes
Ah, shrimp and children.
dan friesen
The next is an email that was a briefing for Hillary about participants in an upcoming technology roundtable discussion.
One of them was the founder of a startup called Munchery, which provides...
jordan holmes
Oh, what do they munch on?
dan friesen
Well, they have daily changing menus for people to order delivery from.
unidentified
Changing by children.
dan friesen
There's one email from Kristen Gillibrand inviting Podesta to a Labor Day barbecue at her house with the sinister line, quote, we will be serving all locally sourced foods from the Hudson Valley.
Children are welcome.
We have a bounce house for them to play in.
Dun, dun, dun.
Bounce out.
Such horror.
jordan holmes
Bounce house is just code for bounce house.
They would then use the bounce house on their own.
dan friesen
A number of these emails don't even have the word menu in the body of them.
They just have links or embedded images in them, and the code to those hyperlinks includes the word menu.
I didn't find anything even close to what Alex is describing, nor any mentions of this menu that has code words or anything.
He's talking just about Marina Bromovich.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's just talking about the artist that emailed Tony and John Podesta inviting them to a dinner party.
Sure.
And taking all of her art as if it's so literal.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're all eating.
They're eating blood.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
How do you get there?
How do you get there into believing that people just drink blood?
Like, it's gross.
Have you ever drank blood?
dan friesen
I mean, I've had like a bit my lip before and tasted blood.
jordan holmes
This is all irony.
It's terrible.
You drink like imagine getting like a whole mouthful of blood.
dan friesen
There's got to be a better way to say that than irony.
There's tings of iron.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't put it past there being some people who do like to drink blood because there's people who like to do everything.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Like it's a big world.
jordan holmes
No, there's a lot of people.
dan friesen
There's a lot of people who have a lot of different interests.
Some people might be into it for a shock value kind of thing.
Some people, you know, there's it takes all kinds.
But to the extent that Alex is discussing, or in the context that he's discussing, I do not believe there are demonic performance artists who go around and invite heads of state to go drink blood.
alex jones
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Crowley's in play now.
Everything is up for grabs.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex, you should listen to him about this stuff because he's not sure.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He's not just a dumb-dumb.
He's actually someone, as we've heard many times.
Yes.
Who they tried to get him.
They tried to get him into the Satanism.
alex jones
Now, I personally experienced this when I was growing up in the richest county in Texas.
And I make that point because there were just billionaires and mansions all over the place out in the countryside.
And it really got to be a bummer where I wouldn't get hot girlfriends in the town anymore because, I mean, I just thought I was super handsome getting the senior super, you know, beautiful girl in her fancy Bentley or Jaguar.
But then I'd learn after I was dating her a week or so that that really wasn't the case.
I was being recruited into Satanism.
jordan holmes
Sounds right.
dan friesen
The way he's talking about it.
I mean, I know you've heard this sort of tale a number of times, but in the past, I've always heard the story more as like it happened once, maybe.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Like the catfishing with the hot cheerleader was something that Satanists tried once, but they tried other things to get him into the cult.
I didn't realize the way he seems to be describing it now.
It's like he's dating some young lady and then, oh, damn it, not again.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Here's what I'm thinking I remember as far as the Satanism story, because we've heard multiple iterations.
dan friesen
Many.
jordan holmes
The one that I remember is that this happened when he was like 15 or so.
He was dating this girl for about a week and then she invited him to her house.
dan friesen
Giant mansion.
jordan holmes
All Satanism.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They're in the basement.
People are chopping up whatever.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Alex talks about it in another occasion that there were police there.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And he had to run away through the woods.
And then police stopped him as he was leaving.
Like he was walking home down a road and the cop stopped him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's nonsense.
Side of a movie.
jordan holmes
But I also remember that I think he said that this happened also when he was like 18, too.
And he even goes, they caught me again.
I got drug back into it again.
Like he's the idiot here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's like, oh, I got fooled me once.
Shame on you.
dan friesen
When it's just one time, it's a fun, childish story that's like just cribbing from a movie.
But when I hear him sort of express the idea that it kept happening to him, it makes me think more about how we might not take a full perspective of how extreme Alex's religion might have been as a child.
And he might have experienced, you know, let's say dating a woman and them having liberal values as them trying to seduce them to the dark side.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Or that's true.
dan friesen
Or it could have been the way Alex processed shame for having sexual urges towards these women.
Sure.
That is somehow evil or something.
Like, I don't know.
I don't know if any of that is accurate at all, but when I hear somebody say, like, it just kept happening to me, these girls I was dating kept trying to recruit me into Satanism.
Right.
It makes me think that there's some sort of like happening to him.
jordan holmes
Something.
dan friesen
Right.
Or there's something he kept experiencing.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm not sure what it is, but it doesn't seem like it's Satanism.
jordan holmes
So, what's other, what's the odds on Alex actually drank blood at a satanic ritual?
dan friesen
I think Lowe.
jordan holmes
You think Lowe?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You don't think he actually drank blood?
Like, not even once as a dare at one of these Satanism parties where I assume dares happen all the time.
dan friesen
I'm going to say I think the odds are low that he has been to a Satanism party.
jordan holmes
No, I've been to Satanism party.
It's the truth or dare.
They're like, what's your deepest secret?
And you're a Satanist.
dan friesen
Then I'm going to ask you this.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
If you're so in with a Satanist, you know everything about it.
jordan holmes
I do.
Kelly was my grandfather.
dan friesen
Let me ask you the pecking order.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Who's higher on the org chart?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Luciferians or Satanists?
jordan holmes
Luciferians or Satanists?
Yeah.
Right now, Satanists are a little bit ahead, but it's kind of a horse race scenario, you know?
One, every 10 years, you know, the Luciferians are higher.
Every 10 years, the Satanists are higher.
It's a competition.
alex jones
Well, the Satanists work for the Luciferians if you want to.
Oh, shit!
No one else explains this cosmology the way I do.
People say, well, I read this book.
It said something different.
Look, I know, okay?
I know.
I reverse engineered it.
I've studied it.
My whole life's been basically brushing up against it over and over again, like a Stephen King novel, okay?
Like the Red King and the gunslinger, all right?
And you need to understand, folks, this stuff's real.
This stuff's going on.
And you need to understand that we're in deep crap.
And the people in our government aren't perfect, but they realize Hillary gets in.
She wants death and destruction.
She basically Linda Blair's, folks.
She rolls around the carpet, spitting and snapping.
Some of that's even come out in the news.
She just flips out.
She goes into trances.
dan friesen
She linda blairs, everyone.
jordan holmes
When does she have time to do all of this?
dan friesen
She seems very busy.
jordan holmes
She's so busy.
dan friesen
Yeah, to have like freak outs.
jordan holmes
So many public appearances.
People are following her all day, every day, and she still has time to secretly do this shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, everybody needs some self-care to help.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And for some people, it's a bath.
For some people, it's Linda Blairing.
jordan holmes
It's Linda Blairing.
Yeah.
I like turning that into a verb, too.
I enjoy that.
dan friesen
I would say that the reason it appears that this is these demons and what have you have been brushing up against Alex for his whole life is because he's had his brain for his whole life.
jordan holmes
Well, that could be.
dan friesen
And he experiences a lot of things as satanic nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if one out of a hundred people, or I would go even further.
If one out of a hundred million people experiences demons on a daily basis, maybe it's not the 100 million people who are wrong.
Maybe it's you.
dan friesen
But this also raises the question of like, why wasn't his show always more like this?
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
Why is there so much more demon talk now?
Why is that floodgate opened?
Like, was he just holding that back for years because he knew people would look at him like he's a zealot?
jordan holmes
Now it's now it's something that he can piggyback on, or was it something that he's been hiding the whole time?
dan friesen
Right, right.
Yeah, I have no idea.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
His character seems to be one that would support either because he should seem like an extremist.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And his family does seem a little bit unstable in terms of their beliefs.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the influences that Alex says were around in his younger days.
So I could see there being like a complete religious zealotry that he was hiding because he knew it wouldn't be profitable.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But then at the same time, he's also a complete liar and a fraud.
So it makes sense that he could have added that to his character at some point.
Yeah.
It's very difficult to tell what's sincere and what's not.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and he's not kicked off of social media yet.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Like he's still because, you know, when he's kicked off social media, you go to demons.
Why not?
Nobody's paying attention.
But he's still on social and he's already at demons.
So that kind of gets rid of that theory of like, well, once he got kicked off social media, all the stuff that he has been hiding you can throw.
dan friesen
I think it's probably related to WikiLeaks and the Pizzagate nonsense.
jordan holmes
That drove a lot of people insane.
dan friesen
I have a...
I have a theory that whether it's organic or, you know, like the organic version would be that he'd been holding this back and this normalizes that kind of conversation.
Sure, sure, sure.
And so he jumps into the water and is like, ah, free, speak freely.
Or if he's like, okay, this is a great way to go.
Here's how we sensationalize things.
This is the new editorial line.
I think that the normalization that came from the way the internet went nuts.
I think that's probably what allowed him to do the demons so hard.
Could be.
So this next clip's unfortunate for Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
Drip, drip, drip.
It gets worse by the day.
We're now four days out.
Three in change, technically.
And the hammer drip now is getting stronger and stronger.
Drums, drums, boom, boom, boom, boom, like thundercracks.
Now, what are they going to do?
A false flag?
A new Sandy hook?
Launch a new war?
What are they going to do to stop Darkhard?
dan friesen
So I would say, saying, what are they going to do?
A new Sandy hook implies that they did the old Sandy hook.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
All right, Alex.
This is November 4th, 2016.
That's way past when you were supposed to have learned the truth and apologized for all the pain you caused people.
jordan holmes
I think he was only just, I don't think he was being very sincere in that apology, Dan.
I think that was a lie.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So when I was listening to this, it's almost all wall-to-wall carpeting of Hillary Clinton as a goddamn shit.
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's what you would expect.
It's a few days out.
You got a hammer over there.
dan friesen
Not surprised.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But what I was surprised about is how thin the argument is.
One of the big things is just Podesta's email to Bromovich being used as like, oh, everyone's into the devil and blood and lots of blood, lots of blood.
And then this is the other one.
alex jones
Bill Clinton says, I practice voodoo.
I think voodoo is wonderful.
He wrote a book.
Bill Clinton's book.
Where he talks about it and how great it is.
I had another copy of the book here.
I actually said the name of the book and then I had it printed up.
Oh, yes, My Life, the Early Years.
jordan holmes
On page 313.
dan friesen
So here's the passage from Bill Clinton's book, My Life in Full.
I was particularly intrigued by the voodoo religion and culture to which I had some limited exposure in New Orleans and that existed alongside Catholicism in Haiti.
The name of the traditional Haitian religion comes from the Fon language of Benin in West Africa, where voodoo originated.
It means God or spirit without the connotations of black magic and witchcraft attached to it in so many movies.
Voodoo's central ritual is a dance during which spirits possess believers.
On the most interesting day of the trip, I got a chance to observe voodoo in practice.
David's Citibank contact in Port-au-Prince offered to take him, Hillary, and me to a nearby village to meet an unusual voodoo priest.
Max Beauvoir had spent 15 years outside Haiti studying at the Sorbonne in Paris and working in New York.
He had a beautiful blonde French wife and two bright young daughters.
He'd been practicing chemical engineering until his voodoo priest grandfather, on his deathbed, chose Max to succeed him.
Max was a believer, and he did, though it must have been proved a challenge for his French wife and westernized kids.
We arrived in the late afternoon, an hour or so before the dance ceremony, which Max opened to paying tourists as a way of covering some of the costs of his operation.
He explained that in voodoo, God is manifest to humans through spirits that represent forces of light and darkness, good and evil, which are more or less in balance.
After Hillary, David, and I finished our brief course in voodoo theology, we were escorted back to an open area and seated with other guests who had come to witness the ceremony in which spirits are called forth and enter into the bodies of dancing believers.
After several minutes of rhythmic dancing to pounding drums, the spirits arrived, seizing a woman and a man.
The man proceeded to rub a burning torch all over his body and walk on hot coals without being burned.
The woman, in a frenzy, screamed repeatedly, then grabbed a live chicken and bit its head off.
Then the spirits left, and those that had been possessed fell to the ground.
I describe my brief foray into the world of voodoo because I've always been fascinated by the way different cultures tried to make sense of life, nature, and the virtually universal belief that there is a non-physical spirit force at work in the world that existed before humanity and will be here when we're all long gone.
Haitians' understanding of how God is manifest in our lives is very different from that of most Christians, Jews, or Muslims, but their documented experiences certainly prove the old adage that the Lord works in mysterious ways.
So Alex has taken this passage of an interesting foreign experience and turned it into, Bill admits in his book that he loves voodoo.
He does it all the time.
Him and Hillary have spirits come and possess him.
It's like, this is bad.
This is so flimsy.
jordan holmes
It doesn't surprise me that a benign admiration for another culture would be misinterpreted as joining the literal Christian devil to destroy life.
But what does surprise me is that nobody has written a road trip movie about a guy who is a chemical engineer who all of a sudden his grandfather's like, guess what?
You're the priest now.
dan friesen
Records.
jordan holmes
That's over.
Yeah, exactly, right?
It starts with him rubbing fire on himself and you go, I guess you're wondering how I got here.
And then we started all the way.
It's easy.
It wrote itself right now.
dan friesen
It's written in the trailer to work.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
You finished your book to work on this movie.
dan friesen
Yeah, I just found this to be like, wow, you're making an hour out of this.
Yeah.
This is pretty soft.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not good.
dan friesen
I don't know, man.
I just think that, I mean, look, if you're in Haiti and someone is like, hey, do you want to come to see this voodoo thing that tourists can pay and go to?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I don't know why you would ever say no.
It'd be a very interesting experience.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Totally.
dan friesen
That's all I see in that Clinton book.
jordan holmes
If you're in Tokyo and they give you the opportunity to see a Shinto ritual, you fucking go.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Why go other places if you don't experience things that are part of those places?
jordan holmes
That's why Alex doesn't really go other places.
dan friesen
Wow, he goes to the hike and bike trail.
We're going to hear about that a little bit later.
jordan holmes
Of course we are.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex has some inside information about how all these globalists, they're all Satanists and they all kill children.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And this note here, just as a little warning, this show is disgusting.
alex jones
Let's just say it didn't like in your Hollywood movie where they just cut their little heart out.
We have a lot of children probably listening.
I don't know if I should tell you in Aleister Crowley Black Magic how they kill a three or four year old generally that can really scream for mommy and be fully conscious of what happens.
Would you like me to tell you?
There's kind of liberals want to run your life.
Would you like to know?
Listener discretion advised.
I'll go ahead and tell you the standard way of doing it.
jordan holmes
The standard way.
alex jones
You know, maybe I don't even want to talk about it.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably not.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
How about you don't?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
You already just said children are probably listening.
Yeah, as we know, this is a family show.
How about you cool it?
Pump the brakes with this nonsense bullshit.
jordan holmes
Hey, all you nine-year-olds out there, you want to hear how Aleister Crowley says to kill three-year-olds?
dan friesen
All right.
Gather around.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this is an interesting clip.
As we know, Alex did not go to college.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
But he does know that in college, sometimes, if you want to get into one of these secret societies, they'll have you do things that get you in little by little until you know by the end, you're in.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Like how Rand Paul, to join his secret society, kidnapped a woman, you know?
dan friesen
And we know that he has refused to debate you.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Daybox.
Yeah, day a million.
unidentified
Yeah, we forgot that lost round.
dan friesen
I would say Mike down for this because I'd like you to consider the order of things that Alex has this imaginary college student engaging in.
alex jones
You know, it's kind of like in college where, oh, we have sex with a goat.
Then we just say a little satanic prayer, but it's all just to see if you'll do it.
And then next, you're doing something different.
Next, it's sex.
And it's not, again, attacking, quote, homosexuals.
It's that the little C, we're going to have gay sex now.
And then it's, you know what, we're going to go kill a homeless person.
I mean, this is what goes on, okay?
dan friesen
Okay.
So.
jordan holmes
That is not the order.
unidentified
I would say it's not.
dan friesen
It shows Alex's mind, though.
He somehow thinks that having homosexual sex is an escalation from having sex with a goat.
jordan holmes
Hey, fuck this goat.
You did it.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
Wouldn't expect that.
You want to have sex with me?
Yeah, that's very nice.
That's great.
All right.
Now let's go kill a homeless person.
I am really thrown off by you, man.
Sick Elaine.
dan friesen
The sex with a goat does not seem like it would be the entry point.
jordan holmes
Hey, wow, if you'll fuck a goat, you'll fuck me.
Is that what he's trying to say?
dan friesen
These people in this cult must have such low self-esteem.
unidentified
No, they're like, I'm not ready to.
jordan holmes
You're not ready for me yet.
You got to fuck a goat first.
dan friesen
Yeah, that just shows a bit of his homophobia.
And then also the quote homosexuals, whatever that's hoping to convey.
Yeah, I found that to be interesting.
I mean, partially because Alex is just making everything up.
So all it is is just a reflection of his own biases and his own boss.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he is revealing himself by lying about bullshit.
dan friesen
So before the election, Alex isn't fully on board with the GOP because the GOP has not come on board with Trump and the growing tide towards white Christian heterosexual hegemony and authoritarianism.
And so he thinks that the Republicans are kind of evil too.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
The Democrats tend to get into Crowley and voodoo.
The Republicans are into Germanic versions of this.
It's like a Germanic mix with the very same old Eastern mysticism, mystery religion, Babylon stuff.
Just say.
But it's different, different churches of the same religion, different flavors of the same garbage.
And now that I know so much about this, 30 years later, 30 years later now, I know that they tried to recruit me basically into three different branches of this crowd.
Because there's other branches too.
I mean, folks, it runs 10 separate cities.
It's the real big religion of America.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Satanism is the real religion of America.
The Democrats are into Aleister Crowley nonsense, and the Republicans are Nazis.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And they're into Germanic mysticism.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
The spear of destiny, is that what he's going for?
That kind of stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I would say this is stupid.
Why?
Everything about it.
And it really becomes that much more stupid when you hear him try to talk in specifics.
Like, listen to this.
Why use numbers?
alex jones
And by the way, the Democrats are far worse than the Republicans.
They are basically 90% taken over at the highest levels by people doing the worst stuff you can imagine.
Republicans, it's about 30%.
It got up to about 50% a few years ago, but this culling politically has really brought the pedophile devil worshiper number down to a 25-30% right now.
Democrats.
Is that good?
jordan holmes
Is that good?
Is that bad?
Do we want more?
Do we want less?
dan friesen
We're working on our devil worship.
jordan holmes
But what is this?
dan friesen
We've initiated some rules and regulations in place to, and now we're down to one in four.
jordan holmes
Is there like a board meeting somewhere where they're like, oh, our Satanism numbers are down?
What are we doing?
And they're like, oh, we'll try soda.
Like, what are we doing?
dan friesen
I would like to know how Alex gathered these numbers.
I'd like to know everything.
I want to know about your methodology.
I want to know your definitions of terms.
How does one become part of this 25, 30%?
jordan holmes
See, now I'm just now back in Mad Men, and Don Draper is giving an amazing, beautiful speech about how we should all become Satanist pedophiles.
That's what I'm seeing.
dan friesen
No, what this is, is Alex's way to support all right-wing conservative Republican bullshit, but at the same time, pretend that he's like, no, I'm above it.
I'm above the frame.
jordan holmes
I'm willing to criticize what I would consider my team.
dan friesen
I'm willing to make up numbers.
Right?
jordan holmes
Here's my trick.
I'm going to call your guy a strong man, and then I'm going to call my guy a straw man, and then I will never be anywhere except for white nationalism.
dan friesen
Yep.
So we get an interesting pop-in from someone who I haven't heard for a long time because he's not on the show anymore.
jordan holmes
All right.
buckley hamman
Basically, there's lots of different celebrities that are, you know, talk about the Illuminati like Jay-Z and some of the other celebrities that sort of hint at it with the imagery inside of their videos, etc.
And the question is, is this always just some sort of playful take on spiritualism and just kind of a jokey kind of thing that's a little bit scary and spooky like Halloween?
Or is it real?
dan friesen
He thinks it's real.
jordan holmes
I imagine he would think it's real.
dan friesen
Now, do you know who that was?
This is a game I like to play with my friends back in high school with the Wu-Tang clan.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
See if they could figure out which rapper was rapping because they didn't know.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
It was fun.
dan friesen
Ha ha, no, that's you God.
jordan holmes
Is that our Kraken?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Are we dealing with the Kraken?
dan friesen
Dan Dampadondi?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
No.
No.
jordan holmes
I don't know who it is.
dan friesen
It's Buckley.
jordan holmes
It's Buckley.
dan friesen
Cousin Buckley.
unidentified
What?
I have not seen.
jordan holmes
I have not heard Buckley in a lot.
dan friesen
Cousin Buckley.
jordan holmes
What's Buckley doing around?
dan friesen
I don't know.
He's talking about the Illuminati celebrities are real serious.
jordan holmes
That does make sense that Buckley is like, Jay-Z talked about the Illuminati.
He thought he was joking.
It's the devil.
Also, check out these sick beats, Jay-Z.
I would like you to wrap over one of these tracks.
dan friesen
Buckley, get out of here.
jordan holmes
Buckley.
dan friesen
Come on.
Alex rushes him out pretty fast.
He's on for a couple minutes, and then Alex calls him with his top researcher.
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
All right.
Okay.
dan friesen
Then it got really strange because my cup should have runneth over.
Because then what should happen?
But Alex has fucking John Rappaport come in.
jordan holmes
Oh, the Batman.
dan friesen
Yeah, Batman's in studio.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Which is, to me, very anomalous.
jordan holmes
He's in studio.
Yeah.
dan friesen
He almost only does the fourth hour now.
I very rarely, unless Alex needs a very serious pep talk.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He never has Rappaport.
It's a terrible interview.
It's pointless.
It's stupid.
I couldn't even find anything that rose to the level of interest.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
It's just kind of like, yeah, they're demon cults.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Great.
Thanks, Rapaport.
All right.
And then there's a pointless interview with William Binney.
jordan holmes
Oh, that doesn't seem to be.
dan friesen
The former technical head of the NSA.
Sure.
Nothing interesting.
jordan holmes
Bananas.
dan friesen
It's just saying that WikiLeaks got stuff from the good guys in the government as opposed to hackers.
jordan holmes
That's it.
I don't suppose that surprises me much, though.
Since we are so close to the election, I imagine nobody's coming up with too many big swings other than like, we got to do everything we can to stop Hillary from being president.
You know, like nobody's coming up with it.
dan friesen
There is a seeming like it's focused, maybe.
jordan holmes
That's more what I'm getting the gist of.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think saying it's focused is fair, but it's focused in a strange way that's not very interesting and it doesn't feel ambitious.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
Listening to this, it felt a lot like people treading water.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that seemed weird to me considering nowadays how Alex is screaming at bloody murder and like spitting out of his mouth while he yells.
The behavior is very, very, very different.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And, you know, maybe part of it is because Alex is freaked out by the idea of people drinking blood.
unidentified
Well, that'll happen.
dan friesen
He's not going to drink blood with John Podesta.
I say he's drunk for $80 trillion.
jordan holmes
$80 trillion?
alex jones
I mean, you could not pay me $80 trillion to be around these people, to be with them, to drink blood with them.
And it's not that I couldn't drink blood.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Hell, I've done the old hunter ritual.
You know, when you're eight and shoot your first deer and drink blood hot, that's an ancient ritual.
That's just about being a hunter.
jordan holmes
Nice one.
dan friesen
Okay.
So you've drank blood in a ritual.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure he's drank blood in a ritual, Dan.
Almost an ancient pagan hunting ritual.
dan friesen
Hey, look, I'm going to spend my entire show talking about how art that I don't understand proves that my enemies could have demon blood rituals.
Now, granted, I have engaged in a blood ritual when I was eight.
jordan holmes
So fucking arbitrary.
What's a good ritual and a bad ritual?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just arbitrary bullshit.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this next clip is fascinating because this is a classic moment from the Alex Jones show that I did not realize was from this November 4th episode.
But this is a clip that will live in infamy after this point.
alex jones
Resistance to tyrants is obedience.
A message to Hillary.
It's Alex Jones.
unidentified
You can run on.
alex jones
I think about all the children Hillary Clinton has personally murdered and chopped up for a long time and raped.
I have zero fear standing up against her.
Yeah, you heard me right.
Hillary Clinton has personally murdered children.
roger stone
Go tell that long-tongue liar.
Go ahead.
alex jones
I just can't hold back the truth anymore.
Hillary Clinton is one of the most vicious serial killers the planet's ever seen.
There's a twist to that.
Am I talking about the devil worship story with her chief of staff, her campaign chairman?
Looking at the menu of blood and semen and body parts at the Alistair Crowley event?
The private event?
Oh, no, I'm not talking about that.
I mean 200,000-plus dead Christians with her operation with Syria and her operation in Libya and not letting the Christians get out and directing al-Qaeda and ISIS who target and murder children and put them through sex slavery and throw Catholic priests off cliffs and kill people in mass and murder gays and everything else you can imagine because they don't like peaceful people.
dan friesen
So that is a classic clip from Alex that he will later use a ton because people in the news and I believe even maybe the Megan Kelly interview took the clip of him saying that Hillary Clinton personally has killed all of these children and he's like, it took me out of context.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Well, to be fair, you spoke poorly.
jordan holmes
Your context is clear within the confines of a sentence.
dan friesen
Well, it's two different thoughts that work.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because, I mean, if you want to critique Hillary's foreign policy and things, decisions that were made while she was at head of the State Department and how that had ramifications that are not good and do deserve critique.
Of course.
Fine.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Now, I understand that Alex thinks that he's just sensationalizing it by saying, or trying to get attention by saying she's personally killed all these people.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
But that's an incorrect statement.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
You're over-sensationalizing it in a way that is only meant kind of to bait people into pointing out that you're an asshole.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he got what he wanted out of that.
You could have a great clip of that.
dan friesen
You could say that Hillary's responsible for a bunch of deaths or something like that.
You could get around the rhetorical move he's trying to make.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He just did it really poorly.
unidentified
Did he?
Yes.
jordan holmes
I feel like he did exactly what he wanted to do.
dan friesen
Yes.
But if you are somebody who actually understands how language works, he did this move poorly.
jordan holmes
Oh, oh, yeah.
If what he was trying to say, okay.
If we are measuring the ability he had when saying what it was he ostensibly tried to say, he did a bad job.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
If we look at somebody who realizes that nobody's going to come after him for it and gets to say whatever he wants and hopefully will go viral with it, he did exactly the best job.
dan friesen
The goal is attention and trolling people.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He succeeded in that.
I didn't realize that was on this episode.
When I heard that, I was like, I'll be damn.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I've heard this a bunch of times.
So Alex has another guest on, and it's Doug Hagman, one of your favorites.
Doug Hagman.
jordan holmes
Love the hack, Dougman.
dan friesen
He's a guy who Alex turns out didn't like for a while.
alex jones
Doug Hagman, I've been hearing him for 15 years on Coast to Coast AM.
First five, I thought that guy is too radical.
A lot of what he says I know is accurate.
A lot of it just is too much.
He said they were going to bring in massive Muslims at some point and set up a caliphate.
First guy I heard say it.
He said they were going to use it for strategy attention.
He said a lot of things.
And then about 10 years ago, I was heard going, man, that all came true.
And then more of it came true.
What?
jordan holmes
When?
When?
unidentified
What?
alex jones
When?
My sources.
Are we a caliphate?
jordan holmes
Did that already happen?
alex jones
NYPD.
Now, one of those is Bongino, but he doesn't give us any secret stuff.
dan friesen
Ooh, you just outed Bongino.
jordan holmes
Take that, Bongino.
Take that, you shitbag.
dan friesen
You guys are really fast and loose with your sources.
jordan holmes
Did not realize we were already a caliphate.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, it turns out.
And Hagman was way ahead of the curve.
jordan holmes
He was way ahead of the curve on that.
dan friesen
Yep.
So this has to do with the Wiener's laptop.
Yeah.
They're talking about how the New York FBI forced Comey to come out and reopen the investigation into Clinton's emails.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
Because if he didn't do that, then they were going to have a press conference where they're going to reveal everything that was on Wiener's laptop.
So Comey did that.
And then later, when Comey comes out and says, you know, everything's closed, the investigation's closed, Alex doesn't really have a great answer for that.
But Doug Hagman, he had a source that had said that they were going to do this.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That they were going to have a press conference.
And so that's why he's on to sort of gloat about being right.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right.
dan friesen
And this doesn't go great.
Okay.
But before Hagman gets in to the show proper, Alex has to do what he does best.
And that is fake crying.
alex jones
Let me tell you something.
When you're with Secret Service agents and they're senior, and then those are smart, pretty tough, smart guys, you know.
And then they've got the archetype and everything of the suit and their, you know, their eyes right on you.
And you can tell her, and they're like, she's really dangerous.
We're all really scared.
And we can't tell everything.
You're right about it all.
God save America.
And they start getting to tear their eye.
You're like, well, what is it?
unidentified
They go, it's bad.
alex jones
They hurt children, folks.
dan friesen
I thought he was doing an impression of a crying Secret Service person.
He's not.
jordan holmes
No, that's bad.
Yeah.
I don't buy that for a second.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I genuinely, yeah, I thought it was fake.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not.
jordan holmes
I thought it was purposefully fake.
dan friesen
It's not purposefully fake because he starts talking more and it has the lingering of the crying.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's not good.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So in present day, I know we've heard Alex talk a lot pretty regularly about the possibility that we all deserve for the earth to be destroyed because we're bad.
jordan holmes
Oh, on a bad day.
He's on the Globalist team.
dan friesen
Yeah, it turns out this might be year four of him.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Maybe we deserve a nuclear war that they're trying to give us.
Maybe that's what we let devil worshipers in.
Maybe we're meant everybody to die.
You know what?
At least they won't be able to torture little kids to death anymore.
At least they'll all just get killed by hydrogen bombs instead of Hillary leaning over them.
Man, a damn dark room.
Imagine that?
How about having that witch march in there with your toddler?
They fished out of your backyard.
How's that sound?
dan friesen
Not good.
I do think that it's interesting that Alex is a silver linings guy.
jordan holmes
He is a silver linings guy.
Maybe no one will be.
He's got a point.
If everyone dies, there will be no more murder.
dan friesen
Sure.
Great.
So Doug Hagman comes in, and he wants to talk about the codes in the emails.
jordan holmes
I would like to talk about codes.
I want to hear about the codes.
doug hagmann
There is a subtext or coding to some of the emails that Podesta and others have, including Hillary and Huma, have been engaged in.
For example, Pizza Party.
I'll just leave this out there.
Pizza Party.
That's not exactly what it means.
You know, don't bring your favorite video over for pizza night.
A pizza party is something that has sexual connotations.
alex jones
And that's why they say stuff like, there'll be semen.
There'll be, you know, this or that.
There'll be blood.
Lots of blood.
Blood even means something.
doug hagmann
Exactly.
It does.
I mean, you could go to what spews lots of blood.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, I don't.
doug hagmann
Yes.
dan friesen
Why would you use blood as the code?
jordan holmes
Why would blood be a code word?
That's a terrible idea.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
All right.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Now, ultimately, the plan is to drink blood.
unidentified
So what we're going to do is use blood as code for the blood.
jordan holmes
What's your safe word?
Safe.
unidentified
They'll never catch on to the fact that we want blood.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Who's bringing videos over for a pizza party?
I mean, is that a thing?
dan friesen
I mean, if you're, I don't know, maybe you got a screener.
jordan holmes
I understand it's 2016, but we're not back in VHS times.
dan friesen
I think that the idea of some of these parties are like dinner parties with like a couple couples.
Sure.
So maybe you're coming over and someone has an actual like hot pizza oven.
buckley hamman
Right.
dan friesen
Like a brick oven.
jordan holmes
Okay, yeah.
dan friesen
So you get together and you make a pizza and then maybe while the pizza's cooking or something, you have a video.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You want Con Air on.
dan friesen
Sure.
Or maybe, like I said, maybe a screener.
Maybe you have an advanced copy of something because you're rich.
jordan holmes
This is a big Hollywood party.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
That's what we're dealing with.
dan friesen
Or you're just rich.
You're powerful.
You can't advance things.
So bring over some movie that the dumb commoners can't watch on.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's fair.
dan friesen
They've got Iron Man 7.
jordan holmes
Is Doug Hagman on that bringing videos over Iron Man 7 trip?
dan friesen
I don't know.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So anyway, Hagman's got a source for his information.
Mike down for this because this is fucking hilarious.
doug hagmann
Clearly, I just wanted to make it clear that this source is within the orbit of the NYPD FBI investigation on the ground in New York City and Westchester County as well.
Well, specifically New York City.
Boy, I shouldn't have said that.
But there's an investigation going on.
jordan holmes
What are you doing?
What is happening?
dan friesen
Oh, I shouldn't have said that.
jordan holmes
Whoops.
Whoops-a-doodle.
I'm a professional.
Oh, man.
dan friesen
I'll tell you what.
When you accidentally possibly reveal too much information about your source on a national syndicated radio show, probably best not to highlight it by saying, shouldn't have said that.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Rudy Giuliani shouldn't have said that.
Whoops-a-doodle.
unidentified
Whoops.
jordan holmes
My bad.
Fuck.
He's laundering bullshit towards me, and now here we are.
Oh, what an asshole.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Anyway, this next clip, I think, is something that needs a citation from Hagman.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
doug hagmann
And by the way, there will be at least six, if not eight, or more verified trips by Hillary and by Huma on the Lolita Express.
Of course, you talked about that.
alex jones
By the way, Prince is saying that too.
And I mean, folks, you know, it's like the crossroads when Eric Prince appears out of nowhere with this information.
dan friesen
You're supposed to hate him.
jordan holmes
All right.
Okay.
First off, I understand, but there's only one Prince.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
You don't get to refer to Eric Prince by his last name.
There's one Prince.
If you say Prince, you know who we're talking about.
dan friesen
The mercenary formerly known as Eric Duncan.
jordan holmes
Do not tell me about Eric Prince.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, I'm waiting on information about these trips that Huma and Hillary took on the Lolita Express.
jordan holmes
Why did they take those trips?
dan friesen
Go ahead and provide that documentation whenever you're ready.
jordan holmes
Where were they going?
dan friesen
Who cares?
Anyway, Roger Stone is on.
jordan holmes
Of course he is.
dan friesen
This is a star-studded show here on November 4th.
jordan holmes
I'm seeing Rapaport.
This is all one show?
I thought we were on two days.
No, this is the first one.
dan friesen
We are, but we haven't gotten to the sixth yet.
unidentified
Man.
dan friesen
You had Rapaport.
You had Buckley.
You had William Binney.
You had Doug Hagman.
Now you got Roger.
He was supposed to have Steve, but his phone didn't work.
jordan holmes
Call Old Man HousePhone.
dan friesen
I got very excited because I got teased with the Steve Pieczenik appearance and did not materialize.
But you got Roger.
All right.
This is a very boring interview, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
God damn it, man.
dan friesen
But there is one thing that Roger says that I found very interesting.
alex jones
Am I wrong?
I mean, he's ahead in all the Battleground States, even in polls that oversample, and it looks like landslide for Trump.
unidentified
As Ronald Reagan would say, I am cautiously optimistic.
alex jones
Bigger win than Reagan had, or will they steal it even if he, I mean, maybe give her all 50 states, hell.
Hell.
unidentified
I am cautiously optimistic.
alex jones
And Trump's in good spirits.
roger stone
In excellent spirits.
Never heard him happier.
alex jones
All right, Roger Stone.
We'll talk to you soon.
Thank you, my friend.
roger stone
Many thanks.
dan friesen
That tone is very different.
jordan holmes
We're stealing this election.
I am very cautiously optimistic about the theft that is about to take place.
dan friesen
It's really weird.
I don't know if I heard it the same way you're hearing it.
I heard it as we have no expectation that we're going to win this.
jordan holmes
I heard it as the voting machines in Georgia are definitely going to work this time.
dan friesen
I get where you're coming from on that.
I think it's the other way around.
I think it's we get to talk about the voting machines not working after we lose.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
That's how it feels more to me.
It doesn't feel like any of them are really have an expectation that Trump is going to win.
It really feels like they're all getting ready for Hillary.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they are all, but yeah, so is everybody.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
We were all ready for it.
dan friesen
I don't hear much talk about Trump at all on this November 4th episode.
It's almost all about how Podesta and Hillary are evil.
They're demons.
If they get in, it's over.
And I grant that that's still, you know, I guess, electioneering for Trump, given that Hillary is her candidate, his opponent.
But still, there's not nearly the quantity of Trump is our savior.
He's standing up like blah, blah, blah.
There's little flickers of it, but not nearly as much as you might expect days before the 2016 election.
It's mostly about how bad Hillary is.
And to me, it feels like we're getting ready for next season.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because it doesn't feel like the end of the world if Trump loses.
unidentified
There's talk of Trump could lose.
dan friesen
There's talk of like, you know, it's not like, well, if Trump loses, it's time to gun everyone down.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like, granted, there's still talk of like Satanism, but it's almost in a way that's like productive for Alex to yell about later.
It really, I have had a very strong reluctance to agree with people who think like Alex wanted Hillary to win.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But if I go back and I listen to this episode in particular, and I don't know, we'll see what happens on the later episodes, but it does not feel like he's fully needing Trump to win the way he does now.
jordan holmes
It is funny that our situation is so warped that Alex being like, Hillary Clinton is a pedophile murderer who's the devil, and we're like, he's kind of ambivalent about this election.
unidentified
My note is he seems weirdly chill.
jordan holmes
Isn't that weird how that's where we're at?
He's only calling her a pedophile demon.
That's borderline, nothing.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's the phenomenon that I had is like the background is support for Trump as opposed to foreground.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like this is about building up a villain for your next pay-per-view or whatever.
Like it's not, I don't know.
It was definitely not what I expected.
jordan holmes
I wonder if there's going to be, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some like serious historical work that was like Hillary Clinton is literally the only politician that could have ever lost an election to Donald Trump.
You know, like that's a really fascinating thing.
dan friesen
I think you could probably come up with a couple others.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I imagine.
jordan holmes
Timothy McVeigh.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
He would probably, well, he would probably defeat Trump.
dan friesen
I think you could probably come up with thousands of people that could lose.
jordan holmes
No, I understand.
dan friesen
I agree that I think of leading, let's say, possible Democrat candidates, she would be probably of few that could be realistic candidates that would have lost.
And I mean, a lot of that is not necessarily her fault.
No, no, no, no.
A lot of it is just based on shit Larry Nichols did.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think that's the thing that they that it's like it's it's not that they just got the propaganda train rolling on her in 2015 or whatever.
That's been going on for 30 years by that point.
Yeah.
Longer if you lived in Arkansas.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you kind of, I think if you're a political strategist, you think like, well, yes, there is that.
Right.
But, I mean, that's been going on forever.
jordan holmes
People are over it.
dan friesen
And most people know it's nonsense.
A lot of this is debunked entirely.
Totally.
And unfortunately, it appears that that might be a miscalculation.
jordan holmes
Democrats never fail to overestimate the American electorate.
dan friesen
But I might have agreed that these sorts of propaganda campaigns that have existed over decades, that they wouldn't be as potent or as meaningful.
jordan holmes
No, it's very easy to look back and say, now, look at those idiots making that choice.
But at the time, we were all like, yeah, there's no way Bernie's going to beat her.
unidentified
She's the coronation.
dan friesen
And I would have said, like, nobody is going to care about Vince Foster shit.
jordan holmes
No shit.
You fool.
You fool.
dan friesen
So Steve was supposed to be on, but he's not.
And so Alex has to fill some time.
And he decides to do that by making fun of a goth he saw.
Okay.
alex jones
But two months ago, I was on the hike and bike trail.
For security reasons, now I always bring somebody with me.
We're always locked and loaded as well.
Quite frankly, I'm not handed inside baseball that goes on around here, but it's gotten to be a little bit serious in the ballgame at this point.
And I'm like 100 yards away, and I saw these really super white-looking people in black.
It looks really creative.
I'm like, man, I got a bad feeling.
I could feel them.
And as I got up close to them, they all had like pentagram necklaces.
They were super white and weak.
There was the old woman and the younger woman and the man.
unidentified
They were just like, they're past me.
alex jones
They were going up the hill.
I was going down the hill.
And I was like, I sensed them 150 yards away.
Like, I was like, the more you get into this stuff fighting them, you're like, and they were so weak.
They think they're powerful.
They're totally turned over to evil.
And they're like pathetic.
They're the most pathetic people.
dan friesen
They might just be some metal fans.
jordan holmes
He's just, did he just discover goths?
Is that what just happened?
dan friesen
Alex's life is so boring that two months ago he saw some Goths on the hike and bike trail, just stayed with him, yeah.
And now he's telling it as some kind of a story where he could sense them.
jordan holmes
Jesus, I can feel.
I can feel pale people in the in the wind.
What's this, Jesus Christ?
Yeah, I would have preferred if he did Paul F. Tompkins joke from his first album where it's like I saw a Goth running and I leaned out the window of the car and went hey, where's the funeral?
Like that's, that's all I want.
That's as bad as it could be.
dan friesen
Well, that's direct bullying.
This is just Alex bullying somebody on a fucking show months later.
At least those Goths will never know that Paul F. Tompkins immortalized them no, complained about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
So uh, the last clip here from November 4th, and it's Alex explaining why God allows us humans to exist.
It's an interesting theological point that he makes that I disagree with.
alex jones
Okay, and so that's why God allows us to exist.
Murder Hornet, So that we can really get a bird's eye view on where evil Leads.
Because you got to actually experience it.
You can't for eternity.
jordan holmes
That's not what a bird's eye view means.
alex jones
As new souls, new creatures, new free entities God's created to sit here and be told about evil.
You have to experience it at point-blank range.
You have to live it.
You have to see it.
You have to breathe it.
You have to be tortured by it so that you will always have a spiritual memory of just how nasty this is.
So that you've chosen which side you want to be on.
Not with her.
Never with this.
Never.
Never.
Never with these people.
Forever.
All that matters is we're not with her.
That's why she says, with her, with her, with the harlot, with the death, with the pain, with the failure, with the ugliness, with Satan, with her, wither, wither.
No, not with you.
Never.
dan friesen
Alex is mad about Hillary's slogan.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I would say that if we are our ancestors, then we should have all of their spiritual memories too.
And I guess if evil has ever been experienced in human history, then we would all have our ancestors' spiritual memories of that evil viscerally.
So we wouldn't need to re-experience it over and over again.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think this is all stupid, and I disagree with it.
jordan holmes
You know, Dan, a lot of people say, I know that I shouldn't jump off the bridge, but I'm telling you right now, you can't know that it's a bad idea unless you jump, unless you breathe jumping off that bridge, unless you eat jumping off that bridge, unless the Lord himself tells you that jumping off that bridge is a bad thing.
And that's why you got to jump off the bridge.
You can't know that evil is bad unless you jump off that bridge, Dan.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
I just, I don't know.
This is thin.
jordan holmes
That's very stupid.
dan friesen
So we get to the sixth.
Like I said, the fifth is not worthwhile.
I got really excited because Alex said that he was doing a Saturday show.
Right.
And it's just talking about how Bill Clinton said that he likes voodoo.
Okay.
And then Owen Shroyer, young Owen Shroyer, and pre-firing Rambo Joe Biggs get together and just complain about stuff.
jordan holmes
That's what Billy Weaver doing.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know what that is.
jordan holmes
Is she rattling?
dan friesen
Maybe.
Alex said that he started working with her years ago.
jordan holmes
Well, we did Rainbow Snatch in our first year.
So she was there by 2017 at least.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know if she was a big figure.
I know that Leanne McAdoo is still there.
Yeah, I don't know.
We'll see.
I mean, because on Monday, next Monday, our episode will be about that marathon.
And if Millie's there, you better believe she's going to be somewhere in there.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
All hands on deck.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
52 hours.
You're going to be there.
We're going to see Rainbow Snatch for four of those.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we get moved past Saturday.
It's nothing.
And Sunday comes along.
And here is Alex.
Really, really basking in how much traffic he's getting.
A lot of people are liking his shit.
alex jones
One video, 837,000 views.
On YouTube, 200,000.
On our internal streams, 400 plus thousand people.
How many millions is that?
Two and a half million or so?
We have two and a half million viewers last night separate from me to my terrestrial radio show.
If you go to Hillary's Facebook mentions, because only quote celebrities get them, it's not the Facebook live thing.
It's Facebook mentions.
So we're celebrities, so we get one.
When you go to hers right now, guess how many watch today live with LeBron James through now?
Because it counts live and then afterwards.
Then watch the archive.
5,500 as of 12 minutes ago before I went live.
dan friesen
I don't care.
I don't, I don't.
unidentified
I've got more viewers than Hillary.
jordan holmes
That's petty.
That's very petty.
Yes, it is.
Unprofessional?
dan friesen
Perhaps.
So, Roger's back on Sunday, and he's on because he's gloating about winning a court case.
unidentified
Okay.
roger stone
Well, Alex, I'm delighted to be with you.
It's nice to get off the telephone because I've been in an endless round of conference calls with lawyers, and I don't particularly like lawyers anyway.
But the breaking news is that the ruling against Donald Trump, Roger Stone, the Republican National Committee, the Trump campaign, and stopthesteel.org was overturned by the appeals court in Ohio late this afternoon.
There is no evidence of any plan on our part to threaten or intimidate voters in any way.
dan friesen
This is a great example of how crazy the last four years have been.
I'd completely forgotten that right before the election, Roger Stone was involved in a lawsuit where he was accused of engaging in voter intimidation due to his work with the super PAC called Stop the Steel.
jordan holmes
Completely forgot that as well.
dan friesen
On its own, this story is massive, but taken as a part of the chaos that was going on, it just faded into the background.
Roger was running Stop the Steel as a nonprofit that was set up to conduct exit polls in cities which had, according to the Huffington Post, quote, high minority populations.
jordan holmes
Can you exit poll with extreme prejudice?
dan friesen
The group was really nothing more than a website where people could register as volunteer poll watchers who would go to the polls, presumably talk to voters, and then enter the information they gathered onto this website.
The argument was that any election that was more than 2% off from exit polling should be considered suspicious.
So what this group was intending to do is create completely nonsensical, non-scientific exit poll data to yell about after Hillary won.
That's what the scam was here.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The goal was to create a narrative on the back of meaningless information that you have created yourself.
Roger even said that the plan was to gather information to use as a challenge to the election in the case that his data didn't match what was coming in.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But that's nonsense.
Even if his data wasn't completely unverifiable and wasn't biased as hell and complete trash, he couldn't use it as a basis to challenge the election.
The only real outcome of this is to create something to rile up your followers after you lose.
This is a loser's strategy, not a path towards winning.
The Huffington Post article on this is hilarious.
And the part about Stop the Steel's website is a personal favorite of mine.
Quote, any registered volunteer could sit at home and start entering false information today.
HuffPost entered five votes Wednesday for Green Party nominee Jill Stein, a vote each for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson, and two votes for GOP nominee Trump.
In looking into it, they just entered false data into the same bullshit.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Roger was almost certainly using the super PAC as a way to move money around.
As Mother Jones reported in 2018, that Stop the Steel strangely paid approximately $5,000 in consulting fees to the mother of Stone associate Kristen Davis, the Manhattan Madam.
The mother has no experience in politics or elections, so this seems weird.
According to Mother Jones, quote, in a text message, Stone said he was too busy to answer stupid questions like this.
He did not respond to further questions.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
All this is super weird because after he got sued over this group, he claimed, quote, I did not establish Stop the Steel.
I do not control its bank account or in any way manage its affairs.
Hard to square that with payments to his friend's mom, who has no business consulting for the PAC, and also payments to other of Roger's associates.
jordan holmes
It was people doing impressions of him online, dude.
It was all impressions of him.
You didn't even see him.
dan friesen
Just before the election, Stop the Steel sent out new directions to their volunteers that made it clear that they cannot do things that violate voting rights law.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
For instance, you can't enter a polling place except to vote.
You can't speak to anyone within 100 feet of the entrance to a polling place.
You can't record anyone.
You can't talk to anyone about anything before they vote.
These rules all basically fly in the face of the blustery talk that was coming out of the group before this, and it kind of feels like a cover-up kind of thing.
They'd riled up everybody about the need to protect the polls.
So it doesn't matter if you send out an email that's all like, control yourself the day before the election.
The desired effect has been done.
And you can, you know, then you can say that you're trying to get everyone to follow voting laws.
But how can you possibly be held responsible for the actions of these volunteers?
You sent out an email telling them to follow the rules.
jordan holmes
We've spent two months describing all of the things that they shouldn't do in repeated, angry tones of voice.
So if they misunderstood that to mean those are the things that they should do, I've got nothing to do with that.
Yeah, I sent out an email.
dan friesen
It appears to me that this is exactly what it appears to be.
It looks like an entity that was used to direct money to associates while also hopefully suppressing some of the vote and possibly creating chaos at polling places.
The ultimate payoff, however, is just the creation of a meaningless data that you can pretend is credible that proves that even though Hillary won the election, your guy secretly won.
It's a long con type of thing where you're protecting your grift for the next stage.
This is not the action of somebody who's intending to win.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because even if Roger was using this as a strategy to help Trump, you couldn't.
Even if he got the best data possible, all you'd get is blog posts out of this.
This would not work in court.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
This would not sway anyone's opinion in a legal framework about the validity of the election.
This exit polling data is useless except as a means of making more propaganda.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of a narrative.
dan friesen
And the propaganda is only useful if Trump loses.
You wouldn't go through all this trouble unless you're looking for a way to, after the fact, dismiss the claims that you're a loser.
jordan holmes
Sure.
I mean, I would also probably argue that, you know, if you're setting up a super PAC to move money around in hidden ways.
dan friesen
That's just sort of a side suspicion.
I'm not entirely sure 100% what was going on.
jordan holmes
See, I kind of think of it in the almost reverse there, where it's like setting up a thing to move money around, and he's like, well, we have to have a reason for the thing to exist.
So this is fine.
dan friesen
Maybe the madam, her mother, was like stuffing envelopes.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
And they called it consultation.
Sure.
Maybe it's not sketchy.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Anyway, imagine Stone is just really taking care of, you know, he threw her that little bone.
She's on a fixed income.
dan friesen
Could be.
jordan holmes
Has nothing to do with that Manhattan Madam stuff.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, Kristen Davis and him are friends.
They're longtime associates.
jordan holmes
I understand.
dan friesen
But like, the thing that I just can't get around is like thinking of how this would be something you would do if you were looking for productive ways to help Trump win or try to protect the win after a potentially contested election.
This would do nothing.
This is pointless except as a PR kind of strategy.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And to me, that is an indication of something kind of strange.
And also, he's not doing that this time.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Roger's not doing that this time.
jordan holmes
No, they have regular illegal poll watchers now.
dan friesen
But if Roger thought that there was some kind of like a real need for this thing that he did last time, like if there is a real concern about the polls, you'd think that he would be trying some of the same things.
And he's not because I think he wants Trump to win this time, whereas I'm not positive these people actually even want Trump to win.
I'm starting to come around to the conclusion that these people are expecting a loss and they're bracing for a loss and a way for their business to move forward after that.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That's kind of the way all of this feels.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And one of the reasons that I believe that, or I'm starting to feel that way, is because Alex is declaring victory no matter what happens in the 2016 election, which he's doing now.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But in 2020, he's saying that either Trump is going to win or Biden's going to win and it's going to be stolen and Trump actually won.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
The way Alex is declaring victory no matter what is different in 2016.
alex jones
Donald Trump.
Whether he wins or loses this election, no matter what comes out of it, he is a total winner.
He had courage.
You've had courage.
You've taken action.
Globalism is on the table as a crony capitalist anti-free market mafia system.
The fact that the Federal Reserve is screwing us over is huge.
The fact that our borders are being dissolved, political correctness is in tatters.
dan friesen
This is a guy who's making the argument that even if Hillary ends up winning, which of course there will be shenanigans and she cheated, but whatever.
Even if she wins, we win because globalism has been put on the table.
We're discussing these things now.
Trump has been such a dick and so rude that political correctness is gone.
Like this is someone who's trying to look for the silver lining of Trump losing.
It feels like that very strongly as I go back and I look at this.
And maybe it's the juxtaposition of how out of control and desperate he seems for Trump to win now.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's very different than I expected.
I expected to hear a lot more really desperate screaming, a lot of pleading almost.
And I hear barely covered resignation and a desperate attempt to turn Hillary Clinton into the greatest villain, which is pointless if Hillary loses.
jordan holmes
Right.
Yeah.
dan friesen
All of this stuff.
jordan holmes
I mean, we're seeing how pointless it is now, seeing as how they're still trying to run against Hillary and nobody's buying that bullshit anymore.
dan friesen
All of the behaviors that are going on make total sense.
jordan holmes
If you're gearing up for the next election against Hillary, again.
dan friesen
Or if you're looking for four more years of fighting against Hillary.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
It doesn't make a ton of sense if you think that you're going to have to deal with Trump for the long term.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Trump works really well with the way that they're playing this as a prop that goes away, like a Ron Paul run or whatever.
It doesn't make sense to me.
And I know that I'm jumping to conclusions a little bit based on not a full data set.
I am just looking at a couple days' worth of his show.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But it is the overwhelming sense that I get that he doesn't expect Trump to win.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I imagine that makes sense, though, because at this time, we've spent six months being repeatedly hammered with 538 back when everybody thought that was a great thing that gave Biden an 85% or Hillary like a 75% chance of winning.
So over and over again, every day, they're forced to like, there's only the betting money says our guy's going to lose, you know?
And now, even though we're dealing with the same thing.
dan friesen
But Timothy doesn't care about that.
jordan holmes
No, totally.
dan friesen
Secret poll.
jordan holmes
I think he does.
dan friesen
Secret polls.
jordan holmes
I think they all do.
Secret polls.
Back whenever life was reasonable, at least.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't understand how polls work.
He doesn't understand statistics at all.
That's trampling sizes and stuff.
That's true.
jordan holmes
But he understands betting.
dan friesen
I don't know if he does.
Barnes does.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Barnes won a lot of money on the election.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
So Roger has a prediction that did not come to pass.
roger stone
I presume that in the period between the election and the inauguration, Obama will probably pardon everybody who's been involved in this sordid mess.
dan friesen
Nope, that didn't happen.
So Roger.
jordan holmes
Imagine that if Trump loses between now and the inauguration, Trump will pardon everybody who's committed a crime ever.
I think we might all get a clean slate.
dan friesen
So Roger has a little bit of bone to pick here.
So what had happened just before this episode was that Trump had had a rally.
Someone yelled gun in the audience, and Secret Service came and surrounded Trump.
I went and I watched that video.
Trump looks very confused.
He does not seem stoic.
Alex will say that he is very stoic.
jordan holmes
He's a strong man, ready to fight.
dan friesen
Now, some people might have been suggesting at that point that this was staged in order to get sympathy for Trump.
And Roger does not care for this.
alex jones
Let's talk the scare last night briefly out in Nevada.
I mean, now we know it's a Democratic Party operative that was there to bird dog.
What is the point of screaming gun, gun, and then running at Trump just to make him look weak or something?
roger stone
Well, what I found particularly aggravating, Alex, and I was on with Joe Biggs last night on Infowars to talk about this, is within seconds of this happening, we counted over 400 tweets blaming me, me, Roger Stone, staged this to gain sympathy for Donald Trump.
This is some serious Alice in Wonderland stuff.
dan friesen
Now, in the present day, you have Gretchen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan, who is the subject of a kidnapping plot that Alex says was done to get sympathy for her, which is Alice in Wonderland stuff.
According to Roger.
Also, the other thing that I find incredibly fascinating about this is that when it's Trump, the plot is Democrats doing it to make him look weak.
That's the conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Correct.
dan friesen
When it's Whitmer, it's, I don't know, the intelligence agencies doing this to get her sympathy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
Democrats are really good at false flags.
We can turn them into whatever we want.
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
That's what we do, right, Dan?
We false flag everybody.
dan friesen
Or it's just Alex makes all this shit up because whenever he needs to paint someone as a villain or a hero, he does it in slightly different ways.
jordan holmes
Well, that could be too, I suppose.
I think Roger.
Specifically pointing out that there were 400 tweets within seconds makes me feel like he did do it.
Roger being like, in 400 seconds after this happened, 400 tweets came out, and they were the ones who knew what I did.
dan friesen
Or I run 400 Twitter accounts.
jordan holmes
And I was trying to false flag to get some sympathy for myself.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So apparently Trump is pretty fatalistic.
This gets Alex really excited.
alex jones
Stone's got to leave in a minute, but I wanted him to get to this because, you know, he's told me stuff that I later saw come out or other people told me.
And the fact was, a couple years ago, Trump wasn't going to run.
He knew what would happen to him, but he just finally said, okay, I'll just sign my life over.
That doesn't matter.
And his wife backed him on it.
He expects to probably be killed.
And Stone just let it slip.
So I brought it up of how committed Trump is.
dan friesen
So this is Steve's stuff.
This is all like Steve's, I recruited Trump to run with this group of good guys and the intelligence stuff, which was one of the reasons why I was excited to hear that Steve was going to be on.
And then when he didn't show up, I got kind of set.
jordan holmes
That's a little disappointing.
dan friesen
Because I wanted to hear some more of that stuff.
jordan holmes
I wanted to swing, yeah.
dan friesen
But yeah, so Roger says that Trump is very fatalistic about this.
And Alex is like, oh, let's get some inside baseball shit.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
And so they start talking about how he doesn't even wear a bulletproof vest, man.
alex jones
No, but you said it.
Let's talk about, you said fatalistic.
Let's get down to the wire that they can't even make him wear a bulletproof vest.
He just doesn't even care.
This is so presidential.
roger stone
Well, he wore one in the summertime.
I mean, frankly, it was so damn hot and heavy that he felt it was slowing down his performance on the stump.
His family has begged him to take more security precautions.
alex jones
Yeah, let's not let out security sacred, unless that's an example.
He just doesn't care, folks.
That is so manly.
You called him fatalistic.
Go ahead and tell folks since you mentioned it.
roger stone
Well, in other words, I've said to him, aren't you worried about your physical safety?
And he says, look, I have to do this.
I have to do this for the country.
You can't run for president and not mix with the people.
alex jones
He is the opposite of that coward demon, Hillary, isn't he?
dan friesen
I love that Alex is trying to do this.
Like, oh, he's so manly.
He won't wear a both burr vest.
And Roger's like, well, it was just kind of hot.
jordan holmes
It was hot.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's hard to move around to that.
jordan holmes
He didn't think it was very good.
dan friesen
It was unflattering to his figure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, not very strong man to just wither under the heat.
dan friesen
Oh, so manly.
jordan holmes
Oh, so strong.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex is trying to push this now, this Trump is ready to die for the country, which is not at all foremost.
It is not at the front of Alex's reporting.
And it's coming in a tiny bit here, but it's weird.
jordan holmes
It's not.
dan friesen
They're not fully committed to this as something that is being discussed a lot.
jordan holmes
Man, you know, for somebody who believes that Hillary Clinton is working for the literal Christian devil in 2016, you would think he would be far more insistent that everyone get out and vote and not very kind of like, he's probably not going to win.
No, I mean, you're going April.
dan friesen
Don't get me wrong.
They are saying you should vote for Trump.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
Totally.
But the literal Christian devil kind of voting.
dan friesen
It's almost entirely vote against Hillary.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Until this, like this little stretch with Roger where Alex is excited about the idea that Trump doesn't wear a bulletproof vest and he's ready to die or whatever.
And I think largely that's just motivated by the conversation about what happened at the rally the night before.
Like it's very little positive about Trump as much as it is supremely negative about Hillary.
Man.
jordan holmes
How did we go from there to Trump is God king?
All it takes to make the hard right love you so much they want you to be king is for you to piss off the libs.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
That's bad.
dan friesen
So Roger's gone and now Alex continues with a little bit more talking about how great Trump is.
But again, it's not the biggest deal.
alex jones
High-level groups have come to Trump and they know he's ahead and they've said, just work with us and we will let you win.
He said, I serve the American people.
This happened yesterday.
jordan holmes
Sure, it did.
alex jones
Yesterday.
If you knew how real this was, you would be crapping your pants.
They came to Trump and they said the deep state.
The older elements of it.
Bush-connected groups.
And they said, just say you'll work with us and just say you'll listen to us some.
And we will let you win.
You are the winner.
And Donald Trump told him no.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
The American people are going to decide.
And they said, okay, buddy.
Okay.
And that was a warning last night.
Guy jumping up with a guy got a gun.
I got a gun.
We're running at the podium.
What Trump did?
He just stood there and waited.
dan friesen
No, he didn't.
He looked pretty confused.
Yeah.
That's what I would say.
If you go watch that video, Trump just is like, ooh.
I don't know.
I mean, like, what Alex is trying to do here is just like a half-cooked version of, like, you know, this doesn't sound like he's even convinced of any of this.
He's grasping at straws.
jordan holmes
If you listen to us, some.
What kind of big bad people?
unidentified
A little.
jordan holmes
Listen to us sometimes.
Hey, we're blackmailing you.
We're going to install you into office.
75% of the time, do whatever you want.
All we consider.
We want to see it at the table of the office we're literally giving to you.
dan friesen
I don't always need my way.
I just need to know you heard me.
jordan holmes
It is a very touchy-feely kind of overwhelming force.
dan friesen
You just hear him pulling out these like, this happened yesterday.
jordan holmes
Yeah, come though.
Get the fuck out.
You would shit your pants if you knew how real this was.
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, it to me just seems like Alex isn't, he's not fully developed this ability to lionize Trump in the way that he's become accustomed to now.
And maybe it's a lack of development of the skill.
Maybe it's an ambivalence.
It just seems very flat.
jordan holmes
This happened yesterday.
dan friesen
Get the fuck out.
So we have one more guest here on November 6th.
And it's a guy who's very concerned about witches.
jordan holmes
Oh, whoa, we got it, Larry Nichols.
dan friesen
Larry Nichols shows up here on November 6th.
R.I.P. And this is something that this is a story that I've heard Larry tell before.
And let's hear it again.
Why not?
It's a good one.
jordan holmes
It's a good story.
larry nichols
You know, Alex, all I can tell you is, man, finally, I had to go to Hillary.
I literally had to go to her to try to get her to stop.
I went to her.
I said, Hillary, if we get caught and you go into this witch's church, we're done.
I mean, this is, you know, this is the early 80s, late 70s, whatever God was.
And I said, there's no way we can cover it up.
But I said, here's, she said, there's no way she's going to go.
I said, well, then do this.
I knew Channel 11's crew, TV, local TV station in Liverpool.
I said, look, you go to the Methodist church every Sunday.
I'm going to set the crew, get you coming out of the church now.
It's a seven, just like I'm going to tell you.
alex jones
No, you told me 20 years ago.
You told me 20 years ago.
larry nichols
Yeah, you're going to come out of the church and then you're going to talk about how happy you were to be in church and how you're going to profess Jesus Christ and God and all that.
She turned away from me, folks.
She turned away.
But before she took a step, she turned her head back to the left and she said, You know I can't do that.
And turned her head back around and walked away.
unidentified
Oh.
jordan holmes
I just got chills.
I just got chills.
dan friesen
I love that story.
unidentified
Don't believe it, but I love it.
dan friesen
Larry Nichols just going to Hillary and being like, We just need you to pretend to be into Jesus.
You know, I can't do that.
jordan holmes
No, I can't do that.
dan friesen
Why couldn't you?
jordan holmes
Oh, she just can't.
dan friesen
If you are like, the devil is the king of lies.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Even the devil can quote scripture.
jordan holmes
Not there.
Not there.
There are a lot of arcane rules that make sense in context.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I feel like if you are an instrument of Satan who is trying to take over the country to somehow stop Alex from doing something, you'd be able to pretend that you went to a Methodist church and had a good time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it seems would be hard.
dan friesen
I cannot do that.
jordan holmes
Especially considering she's been to church millions of times.
dan friesen
Plenty of times.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But hey, I probably wouldn't play that clip again because he's told that story a bunch of times, but it leads into Alex half-remembering something.
alex jones
It was in mainstream news, Washington Post, as well, that she does these seances for the dead, and liberals will be there.
Well, if you can call up the dead, Hillary, she's just getting them rubbed in.
That's the first level they call.
Can we talk to Jesus?
And she says, that's the one person we don't talk to.
larry nichols
She said, I can't.
You know, I can't do that.
alex jones
But that back, you told me that 20 years ago.
Then a decade ago, the Washington Post asked, they were like, oh, she does seances.
Who would she talk to?
Well, not Jesus.
She'd let you talk to anybody but Jesus.
What is that?
I mean, this lady is a veritable devil.
unidentified
I mentioned, wait, Hold on.
jordan holmes
Hold the fucking phone.
So it would be better if they could actually contact Jesus by a seance?
Wouldn't that throw everything that Alex believes into turmoil?
dan friesen
It does sort of imply that Alex believes these seances work and Jesus is getting snubbed.
jordan holmes
You could get Jesus.
dan friesen
It's just rude.
What she's doing is rude.
jordan holmes
Is that what it is?
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
That's what they're mad about.
Oh, you're not going to talk to Jesus?
You're too good for Jesus?
dan friesen
Yeah, so Alex's timeline's a little bit off here.
He's saying that Larry told him about this 20 years ago and then 10 years ago is in the news.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And that's not true.
This is from a book written by Bob Woodward back in 1996, so 20 years ago.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
In the book, it's claimed that Hillary would have, quote, imaginary conversations with Eleanor Roosevelt and Mahatma Gandhi as a therapeutic release.
In 2016, Bill Clinton gave a speech at the dedication of the Franklin Delano Roosevelt for Freedoms Park, in which he mentioned the exercises that Hillary did pretending to speak to Eleanor as a way of helping her cope with her new responsibilities as First Lady.
This video was taken and used to resurrect the talking point that Hillary speaks to the dead and engages in demonic rituals, which Alex is doing here.
As for the part about Hillary not talking to Jesus, from a CNN article about Woodward's book, quote, the first lady declined a personal advisor's suggestion that she address Jesus Christ, however, because it would be, quote, too personal, according to Woodward's book, The Choice.
This is outrageously thin soup.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is just kind of like, I mean, I don't know.
I've been in therapy and you talk to like your younger self or like a dead relative.
You do like a cathartic thing where you talk about some memory.
I don't know that you need to get out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You don't have the ability to.
It's something that people do.
I find it completely plausible that like Hillary would have a conversation imagined with Eleanor Roosevelt.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Someone who she admires and now is in the same role as.
Makes total sense.
This is all bullshit.
jordan holmes
I think what boggles my mind, it never boggles my mind because it's always obvious.
But Reagan literally made policy decisions based on an astrologer.
Like the Reagan's had a personal astrologer who they would ask policy questions to and then make decisions based on that.
Yes, but like we've like witches.
Oh.
Well, you're probably right.
Yeah.
Did they astrologize Jesus?
Did they snub Jesus with the astrology?
dan friesen
Hillary went to a church with Linda Bloodworth Thomas from the Designing Women.
jordan holmes
Witches.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here, and I keep this as a nice way to push back against the folks that have, I've gotten a little bit of feedback that people might think that we're a little soft on Larry because of remembering him or whatever.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And I would say I take that criticism, but I would also say that the only thing that I want to be careful about is I am fine with remembering his history and being like, fuck you, you push it.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
I just don't want the occasion of his death to be the reason we would do something like that.
And so, yeah, maybe, maybe a little bit soft, if only to not be monstrous in presentation.
I have no interest in turning him into any figure who's not a complete Cretan.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, damn.
horrible toxic influence on everything uh that uh that matters it's weird for us to like we should probably be graded on a curve as far as it's the same thing with reverence go like it's the same Everybody we talk about, I would be fine if they all went into an incinerator.
Like, they're all awful people.
dan friesen
With very few exceptions, they are in this by accident.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
No, no, no, no, fuck all of them.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, and it's the same with you talking about earlier, the like Hillary is a demon, and this is Alex's whole thing, and we're like, yeah, it's kind of mild.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, this is ambivalence.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
We're graded on a curve.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's an understood these people suck.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But just to be perfectly fair, Larry Nichols sucks a whole lot.
larry nichols
This is going to sound terrible, but I'm going to say it to every white American concerned.
jordan holmes
Okay.
larry nichols
Get out of the vote.
Because it's going to be your last chance.
alex jones
And again, it's not racially based.
The media has made it racially based.
larry nichols
That's right.
dan friesen
That's right.
jordan holmes
No, he literally made it racially based by saying that.
dan friesen
You bet.
jordan holmes
What do you mean it's not racially based?
He just said all white people need to vote or they'll never get to vote again.
That's racially based.
dan friesen
Well, all white conservatives.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
All white people who are super invested in their whiteness, you better vote because otherwise.
jordan holmes
Meanwhile, literally, right now, everybody who's not a white conservative better fucking vote because it might be your last fucking chance.
dan friesen
You're the new Larry Nichols.
jordan holmes
Apparently I am.
dan friesen
So you hear stuff like that, and it's like, yeah, okay, Larry, I got you.
I hear what you're saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Put it down, buddy.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Racist piece of shit.
dan friesen
I found this stretch to be really interesting and really not what I expected at all.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
I found it to be mild from a desperation standpoint, but also not in the way of like, we've got this in the bag.
There's still a like, hey, if we lose, we still won because globalism's being discussed and PC culture took a hit.
You know, like it's kind of like a, we're fine if we lose because our business is on the right direction.
We've created the talking points that we need in order to sustain years of fighting Hillary.
We've talked about her being a demon.
We might have to deal with that, but, you know, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
I'm coming around to a possibility that Alex did not want or expect Trump to win, which is not the framework I've had for the time we've been doing the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there is a little bit of we had our fun.
You know, like we had our fun with Trump.
He got to be a dick to everybody.
He got to make fun of all the non-white people.
We got our message out, which is fuck non-white people.
And now it's like, okay, now we have to go back to the way we used to act.
dan friesen
It's interesting, too, that like you'd never really be able to really know what's what because Alex will never be like, hey, don't vote for Trump.
No, it's bad for business.
unidentified
Never.
dan friesen
You can't do that.
You have to be encouraging people to do the thing that will probably never work out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Or even is not your preferred outcome.
You have to still push in that direction.
Like Alex would never want Ron Paul to actually win.
But you can never be like, well, it's time to give up on Ron Paul and vote for Mitt Romney.
jordan holmes
He's still a salesman.
His consumers, you can't just force consumers to eat whatever it is you want them to.
unidentified
You have to sell them the product they want.
jordan holmes
You can force regular globalists to drink lots of blood, Dan.
dan friesen
And that's the other thing, too, that was really disappointing, kind of, is looking back on, like, oh, all of this is just about Marina Abramovich and her art.
That's how you get to the demon stuff.
You're just misrepresenting a couple passages from Bill Clinton's book about him being into voodoo.
Hillary's into seances because she imagined talking to Eleanor Roosevelt.
Like, it's just, it's just so impotent in terms of, like, having any legs to it.
There's no, like, the propaganda is so thin.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
And it worked.
dan friesen
I mean, I'm just looking for things that are, like, deeper.
And it's like, no, you just saw a painting that freaked you out.
jordan holmes
It should be harder to end the world.
I would suggest that you should have, you should have to have something concrete to end the world on, but apparently you can just do it with fiction.
dan friesen
You can do it every one.
jordan holmes
That's amazing.
dan friesen
So we'll be back for another episode on Wednesday.
We'll be covering present day stuff.
And then next Monday, we will get back to the 2016 election stuff.
And right in time for our election, we will see how Alex was behaving the day before his.
jordan holmes
Oh, so scary.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know if this is a good idea, but oh well.
Anyway, we'll be back.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yes.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight, and at go to Bed Jordan.
dan friesen
World's one Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook and Dallas Show Right.
unidentified
iTunes.
jordan holmes
And if you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out those doing God's work right now.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
I'm the Juiciest Ice Cube.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
andy in kansas
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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