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Oct. 26, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#495: November 4-6, 2016

Today, Dan and Jordan go back to take a look at the days just before the 2016 election to compare them to how things look nowadays. In this installment, Alex gets obsessed with art, makes fun of some random goths, and seems very different in a particular way.

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a
alex jones
15:24
d
dan friesen
54:05
j
jordan holmes
22:23
Appearances
l
larry nichols
01:09
r
roger stone
01:33
Clips
d
doug hagmann
00:14
t
tucker carlson
00:02
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andy in kansas
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
It's time to pray.
unidentified
I have great respect for Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
Knowledge Fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge Fight.
roger stone
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
roger stone
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding me.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
andy in kansas
I love your world.
roger stone
KnowledgeFight.
alex jones
Not knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
We had a lovely game night and we did not record it for a podcast.
dan friesen
Yeah, we could have though.
There's hilarity.
Hilarity.
God, why don't we monetize social interactions?
jordan holmes
Everything?
No, my bright spot is that it was great.
We haven't really hung out too much outside of the context of business.
So it was really good because we started this whole thing as just really good friends who wanted to hang out more with each other.
And now we're back in the reverse situation where we're hanging out less professionally or more professionally than we are socially.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's true.
jordan holmes
It was nice.
dan friesen
It was lovely.
jordan holmes
I enjoyed it.
dan friesen
Yeah, I had a great time as well.
Good times.
jordan holmes
Sounds like it.
dan friesen
Look, what do you want me to do?
unidentified
I'm a monotone guy.
dan friesen
That is very nice.
My bright spot, Jordan, is something that's gonna piss off the anti-maskers.
Masks!
jordan holmes
That would piss off the anti-maskers, yes.
dan friesen
Because it's winter.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And now, you got a mask.
It's great.
In Chicago.
A mask is amazing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it keeps your face nice and warm.
dan friesen
Everybody's always like, I got a beard.
It must be great during the winter.
It doesn't help that much.
jordan holmes
It doesn't do that much.
dan friesen
Wind gets between the hairs.
jordan holmes
It does.
dan friesen
But a mask.
jordan holmes
It's not that thick.
dan friesen
A mask, my friend.
Fantastic.
jordan holmes
You know, it was frowned upon to wear a balaclava all the time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I always felt very self-conscious about having something that was a face covering in the winter previously.
Or it was just too burdensome or whatever.
jordan holmes
You wouldn't wear a scarf around your face or nothing.
No, no, no.
dan friesen
And, you know, in the past I've had some scarves, but they've been tough to keep on the head.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But now, I mean, it's great.
Even if there wasn't a virus, I'd be wearing a mask around.
I don't know what these anti-maskers are all going on about.
It's very comfortable.
jordan holmes
Now that it's socially acceptable, it's a win.
dan friesen
Now that it's chilly as hell.
Anyway, this leads me to opening up the mailbag, Z. All right.
Typically, we have been doing some mailbag stuff on our bonus episodes, which you can find, even if you're not a subscriber, over on Patreon, our Patreon page.
jordan holmes
No charge or nothing.
Just go to the page.
dan friesen
That is where we've done more of the zipping of the mailbag.
But I felt like this was important to go ahead and toss over your way.
jordan holmes
Ooh, this is nice.
dan friesen
Yes, we got a couple of hats from Christina A. We got some hats!
Yeah, they say Policy Wonk and Raptor Princess.
What?
jordan holmes
That is fucking awesome!
dan friesen
Some nice winter hats.
jordan holmes
That is so cool.
dan friesen
Dan and Jordan, I hope these hats keep your heads warm during the coming Chicago winter.
Making them was a pain in the ass, but you guys are worth it, even though Jordan has a garbage opinion on Schitt's Creek.
jordan holmes
I accept that.
dan friesen
So I got a postscript here.
We harvested 11 butternut squashes off one plant this year.
Congratulations.
jordan holmes
Wow, that's really good.
dan friesen
Had to brag to my plant guy.
I applaud you.
Although I'm not a squash guy.
I'm not a gourd.
jordan holmes
Not a squash guy.
dan friesen
I'm not a gourd lord.
jordan holmes
Is that what they call themselves?
dan friesen
Yes.
I don't hoard the gourds.
I don't know.
Maybe I should try more.
Maybe I've given Squash a bad rap.
I think it may be something that's worth exploring in the future.
jordan holmes
If you were a giant robot in the Power Rangers, given a title, and liked to maintain a large number of pumpkins, what would you be?
dan friesen
Gordzord?
jordan holmes
No, you would be a Lordzord hoarding gourds.
dan friesen
Oh.
I didn't realize it was going to have...
jordan holmes
That's why the Power Rangers was involved.
dan friesen
I think you put a hat on a hat.
jordan holmes
All right, I think I did put a hat on a hat.
dan friesen
The Zord is all you need.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
That is fair.
dan friesen
Anyway, Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over.
I'm going to say that this is part one of two.
Because something I intended to do, I realized, like, ah, there's a bit more here than can be.
So next Monday will be the second part of this.
Day before the 2020 election.
Kind of fitting, because what we're doing is we're looking at the days prior to the 2016 election.
jordan holmes
Ah, yes, of course.
dan friesen
On the Alex Jones show.
A little blind spot in our history of covering Alex.
And I actually think that I come away from this with...
A bit of a new understanding of what was going on.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I think I have a working theory that I have...
jordan holmes
Just a lot of Coke.
Just tons of Coke.
dan friesen
No, it doesn't seem like anyone's on Coke.
But I do think that there is a feeling that a lot of people have suggested, floated, that I've been resistant to.
But looking at this actual time frame makes me a little bit more open-minded.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And we'll get to that as we go along.
I think we'll bear that out as we do.
But like I said, we're going to be looking at November 4th, 5th, and 6th today, which is Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
And actually, we're not going to look at Saturday because it's mostly Owen Troyer and Joe Biggs.
unidentified
Boo!
dan friesen
Right.
But Alex did a very special Saturday broadcast.
So we're going to be looking mostly at Friday and Sunday.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
And then part two is Monday.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
And Alex was doing a 52-hour marathon on Monday.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course he was.
dan friesen
That culminated in the election.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
And we're going to be looking at the beginning stages of that on Monday.
jordan holmes
All right, okay.
dan friesen
Next Monday.
jordan holmes
And then, okay, gotcha.
dan friesen
But before we get to business on this, Jordan, let's take a little moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Mark with a C. Okay.
And then last initial, L. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy walk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Mark.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Ray B. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Ray B. Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Nate and Kate.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Andrew P. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Andrew.
dan friesen
You know what that P stands for?
jordan holmes
What does it stand for?
dan friesen
Policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Ah, nice.
dan friesen
Next, Ryan W. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Ryan!
unidentified
Thank you!
jordan holmes
You know what that W stands for?
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
Wonkily Pulse.
dan friesen
Okay.
Yep.
Next, Melissa M. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Melissa!
dan friesen
Thank you!
Next, Rebecca H. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Rebecca.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple folks who donated on Elevated Level.
Appreciate that very much.
So first, Yanna B. Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Benghazi and the buttery males.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Yana, and thank you so much, Benghazi and the Buttery Males.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and thinking, hey, I enjoy this show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
We would appreciate it.
Or...
jordan holmes
What you could do is rekindle your friendship with generosity, invite generosity over to your place, eat some pizza, play some party games together, and then send that generosity back out into the world to a local charity or bail fund in your area.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, we're going to get our toes in the water here on the 4th, November 4th, 2016.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex has some big news.
jordan holmes
How did it go?
dan friesen
The election did not go great for things that we would have wanted to happen.
That's fair.
Alex has some big news.
There's a headline about the FBI.
alex jones
The FBI said, quote, we believe she's the Antichrist and will destroy the world.
If you actually go further what they said, that they believe...
That she wants to destroy the earth.
The FBI doesn't talk like that, folks.
I told you a month ago, I said, Obama and Hillary are devil worshippers.
The Secret Service has told me, members of the military have told me, that Obama seems really nice, and then all of a sudden you'll be walking down the hall and it's like, in fact, I didn't tell you half of it.
These people are scared.
I told you they're having nightmares.
They don't want to be there.
It's very dark.
The words I was told.
And Hillary's even worse, folks, okay?
dan friesen
So we were looking at earlier in 2016 and noting how little demon there was.
jordan holmes
No, zero demon.
dan friesen
Now, by November 4th, pretty hard on the demons.
jordan holmes
The FBI went apocalypse on us and said that Hillary Clinton was going to end the world.
There were documents?
dan friesen
Well, there was a London Guardian, I believe.
A Guardian headline.
Maybe.
I don't remember exactly what paper it was in, but some anonymous FBI person came out and said that, hey, there's a lot of people who think that she's Satan incarnate.
Speaking metaphorically, of course.
I would hope so.
But Alex has now taken that as kind of literal.
She is basically Beelzebub walking the earth.
jordan holmes
Is our next investigation going to be the moment that we went from metaphorical devil to literal devil?
dan friesen
I hope not, but it is interesting to me.
Within the span of this year, that tone does seem to have shifted quite a bit.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
This episode is a lot of Satan.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And so by at least November 4th, 2016, that shift is notable.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that day does make sense, though.
This is back to our, the worst Trump is, the worst they have to portray the enemy as.
And we're already at the point now where Trump is so bad, the only thing worse is the literal Christian devil.
dan friesen
Somewhat.
I think the other thing is the popularity of the online Pizzagate stuff.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And there was so much of that that dipped into the occult, the macabre.
jordan holmes
That's true, yeah.
dan friesen
I think that that is a large portion of it, because it's kind of like, hey, get there how you get there.
If there's a train heading where you're going, jump on that train.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And if that train happens to be talking about the devil all the time, well, that's the train you're going to be on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, and that train will jump a shark eventually.
dan friesen
Yep, and Alex talks a lot, a lot about Podesta's emails.
alex jones
Sure.
This is who Podesta and Hillary run with.
Podesta goes, this is in his emails, To the events, and they discuss what's on the menu.
Placentas, flesh parts, blood, lots of blood, mainly blood.
Then they talk in clear code about what else is on the menu.
jordan holmes
What's that?
alex jones
In the menu promo pack, it shows a child's severed head, appears to be an effigy, with the ground up blood, Being dumped on top of it.
The blood and other tissues.
There is then a ceremonial cookie made to look like a child that is black, purple blood that is enjoyed.
Now, this is all in Aleister Crowley's writings.
That's why instantly this morning...
When I saw it and Paul watched the story that's up on DrudgeReport.com, I knew what it was.
dan friesen
Hey, look, it's a gingerbread man.
Gingerbread man.
They're eating a man cookie.
jordan holmes
All right.
So now we're bringing Crowley is right into our mythology.
dan friesen
Well...
jordan holmes
Crowley knew what was going on.
Crowley was not a charlatan or a liar.
dan friesen
Here's how Alex would thread that needle.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm not saying he's right, but they think he's right.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
unidentified
And therefore, we must fight them as if they are right.
alex jones
Okay, all right, fine.
dan friesen
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
So Crowley's in play, is what we're doing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I went ahead and searched through all the Podesta emails that WikiLeaks released that included the word menu, and I'm not sure I came to similar conclusions that Alex did.
For some context, the word appears 211 times in the released messages.
The first email that comes up is between the Podestas and Ashok and Amitra Mahbubani.
The exchange was about planning a dinner party when the Mahbubanis, they returned from Morocco, and the dishes suggested were mixed grill of tandoori chicken, lamb and Lahori fish, garlic naan, Greek yogurt with shredded cucumber, and a lentil dish.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but they put children in there.
That's why it's called naan.
dan friesen
The next is the Georgetown Alumni Association message, which includes a bunch of different events, including a cooking class, quote, with a menu of Florentine favorites, such as Tuscan country soup and ravioli with shrimp and scallops.
jordan holmes
Ah, shrimp and children.
dan friesen
The next is an email that was a briefing for Hillary about participants in an upcoming technology roundtable discussion.
One of them was the founder of a startup called Munchery, which provides...
alex jones
Oh, what do they munch on?
dan friesen
Well, they have daily changing menus for people to order delivery from.
jordan holmes
Ah, changing by children.
dan friesen
There's one email from Kristen Gillibrand inviting Podesta to a Labor Day barbecue at her house with the sinister line, quote, We'll be serving all locally sourced foods from the Hudson Valley.
Children are welcome.
We have a bounce house for them to play in.
jordan holmes
What's Bounce House going for?
dan friesen
Such horror!
jordan holmes
If Bounce House is just going for Bounce House, they would then use the Bounce House on their own.
dan friesen
A number of these emails don't even have the word menu in the body of them.
They just have links or embedded images in them, and the code to those hyperlinks includes the word menu.
I didn't find anything even close to what Alex is describing, nor any mentions of this menu that has code words or anything.
He's talking just about Marina Abramovich.
He's just talking about the artist that emailed...
Tony and John Podesta inviting them to a dinner party.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
And taking all of her art as if it's so literal.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're all eating blood.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
How do you get there?
How do you get there into believing that people just drink blood?
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Like, it's gross!
Have you ever drank blood?
dan friesen
I mean, I've had like a bit in my lip before and I've tasted blood.
jordan holmes
It's all irony.
It's terrible.
Imagine getting like a whole mouthful of blood.
dan friesen
There's got to be a better way to say that than irony.
There's tings of iron.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't put it past there being some people who do like to drink blood.
Because there's people who like to do everything.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
It's a big world.
jordan holmes
No, that's true.
dan friesen
There's a lot of people who have a lot of different interests.
Some people might be into it for a shock value kind of thing.
Some people, you know, it takes all kinds.
To the extent that Alex is discussing or in the context that he's discussing, I do not believe there are demonic performance artists who go around and invite heads of state to come drink blood at their house.
jordan holmes
Crowley's in play now.
Everything is up for grabs.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex, you should listen to him about this stuff because he's not just a dum-dum.
He's actually someone, as we've...
Heard many times.
Yes.
They tried to get him.
They tried to get him into the Satanism.
alex jones
Now, I personally experienced this when I was growing up in the richest county in Texas, and I make that point because there were just billionaires and mansions all over the place out in the countryside, and it really got to be a bummer where I wouldn't get hot girlfriends in the town anymore because I mean,
I just thought I was super handsome getting the senior super beautiful girl in her fancy Bentley or Jaguar, but then I'd learn after I was dating her a week or so that that really wasn't the case.
I was being recruited into Satanism.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
The way he's talking about it, I mean, I know you've heard this sort of tale a number of times, but...
In the past, I've always heard the story more as, like, it happened once, maybe.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Like, the catfishing with the hot cheerleader was something that Satanists tried once, but they tried other things to get him into the cult.
I didn't realize the way he seems to be describing it now, it's like...
He's dating some young lady, and then, ah, damn it, not again.
jordan holmes
Not again.
Here's what I think I remember as far as the Satanism story, because we've heard multiple iterations.
The one that I remember is that this happened when he was like 15 or so.
He was dating this girl for about a week, and then she invited him to her house.
dan friesen
Giant mansion.
jordan holmes
All Satanism.
They're in the basement.
People are chopping up whatever it is.
dan friesen
Alex talks about it in another occasion.
That, like, there were police there, and he had to run away through the woods, and then police stopped him as he was leaving.
Like, he was walking home down a road, and a cop stopped him.
Yeah, it's nonsense.
It's out of a movie.
jordan holmes
But I also remember that I think he said that this happened also when he was, like, 18, too.
And he even goes...
They caught me again.
I got drug back into it again like he's the idiot here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It was like, oh, I got me.
Fool me once.
Shame on you.
dan friesen
When it's just one time, it's a fun, childish story that's just cribbing from a movie.
But when I hear him sort of express the idea that it kept happening to him, it makes me think more about how we might not take a full...
Mm-hmm.
Let's say dating a woman and them having liberal values as them trying to seduce them to the dark side.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
Or it could have been the way Alex processed shame for having sexual urges towards these women that that is somehow evil or something.
I don't know.
I don't know if any of that is accurate at all, but when I hear somebody say, like, it just kept happening to me, these girls I was dating kept trying to recruit me into sex.
Right.
It makes me think that there's some sort of, like, un-understood.
jordan holmes
Well, something kept happening to him.
Something.
dan friesen
Right.
Or there's something he kept experiencing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I'm not sure what it is, but it doesn't seem like it's Satanism.
jordan holmes
What's the odds on Alex actually drank blood at a Satanic ritual?
dan friesen
I think low.
jordan holmes
You think low?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You don't think he actually drank blood?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Like, not even once as a dare at one of these Satanism parties where I assume dares happen all the time?
dan friesen
I'm gonna say I think the odds are low that he's been to a Satanism party.
jordan holmes
No, I've been to Satanism party.
It's the truth or dare.
They're like, what's your deepest secret?
And you're a Satanist.
dan friesen
Then I'm gonna ask you this.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
If you're so in with a Satanist, you know everything about it.
jordan holmes
I do.
Crowley was my grandfather.
dan friesen
Let me ask you the pecking order.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Who's higher on the org chart?
Uh-huh.
Luciferians or Satanists?
jordan holmes
Luciferians or Satanists?
Yeah.
Right now, Satanists are a little bit ahead, but it's kind of a horse race scenario, you know?
One, every ten years, you know, the Luciferians are higher.
Every ten years, the Satanists are higher.
dan friesen
It's a competition.
unidentified
Well...
alex jones
The Satanists work for the Luciferians.
Oh, shit!
No one else explains this cosmology the way I do.
People say, well, I read this book.
It said something different.
Look, I know, okay?
I know.
I reverse engineered it.
I've studied it.
My whole life's been basically brushing up against it over and over again like a Stephen King novel, okay?
Like the Red King and the Gunslinger, all right?
And you need to understand, folks, this stuff's real.
This stuff's going on.
And you need to understand that we're in deep crap.
And the people in our government aren't perfect, but they realize Hillary gets in.
She wants death and destruction.
She's basically Linda Blairs, folks.
She rolls around the carpet, spitting and snapping.
Some of that's even come out in the news.
She just flips out.
She goes into trances.
dan friesen
She Linda Blairs everyone.
jordan holmes
When does she have time to do all of this?
dan friesen
She seems very busy.
jordan holmes
She's so busy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
To have, like, freak outs.
jordan holmes
So many public appearances.
People are following her all day, every day, and she still has time to secretly do this?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Everybody needs some self-care time.
jordan holmes
Well, that's true.
dan friesen
And for some people, it's a bath.
For some people, it's Linda Blairing.
jordan holmes
It's Linda Blairing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I like turning that into a verb, too.
I enjoy that.
dan friesen
I would say that the reason it appears that these demons and what have you have been brushing up against Alex for his whole life is because he's had his brain for his whole life.
jordan holmes
Well, that could be.
dan friesen
And he experiences a lot of things as satanic nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if one out of a hundred people...
I would go even further.
If one out of a hundred million people experiences demons on a daily basis, maybe it's not the hundred million people who are wrong, maybe it's you.
dan friesen
But this also raises the question of, like, why wasn't his show always more like this?
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
Why is there so much more demon talk now?
Why is that floodgate opened?
Like, was he just holding that back for years because he knew people would look at him like he's a zealot?
jordan holmes
Now it's something that he can piggyback on?
Or was it something that he's been hiding the whole time?
dan friesen
Right, right.
I have no idea.
His character seems to be one that would support either.
Because he does seem like an extremist.
And his family does seem a little bit unstable in terms of their beliefs.
And the influences that Alex says were around in his younger days.
So I could see there being a complete...
Yeah.
he's also a complete liar and a fraud.
So it makes sense that he could have added that to his character at some point.
It's very difficult to tell what's sincere and what's not.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and he's not kicked off of social media yet.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Like, he's still, because, you know, when he's kicked off social media, you go to demons, why not?
Nobody's paying attention.
But he's still on social, and he's already at demons, so that kind of gets rid of that.
Theory of, like, well, once he got kicked off social media, all the stuff that he has been hiding, he can throw, you know?
dan friesen
I think it's probably related to WikiLeaks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the Pizzagate nonsense.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That drove a lot of people insane.
I have a theory that whether it's...
Organic or...
The organic version would be that he'd been holding this back and this normalizes that kind of conversation.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And so he jumps into the water and is like, ah, free.
jordan holmes
Speak freely.
dan friesen
Or if he's like, okay, this is a great way to go.
Here's how we sensationalize things.
This is the new editorial line.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that the normalization that came from...
The way the internet went nuts.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that's probably what allowed him to do the demons.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it could be.
dan friesen
So hard.
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
So, this next clip's unfortunate for Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
Drip, drip, drip.
It gets worse by the day.
We're now four days out.
Three and change, technically.
And the hammer drip now is getting stronger and stronger.
Drums, drums, boom, boom, boom.
unidentified
Boom!
alex jones
Like thundercracks now.
What are they going to do?
A false flag?
A new Sandy Hook?
Launch a new war?
What are they going to do to stop Darkheart?
dan friesen
I would say, saying what are they going to do, a new Sandy Hook, implies that they did the old Sandy Hook.
Yeah.
Alright, Alex.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is November 4th, 2016.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's not good.
dan friesen
That's way past when you were supposed to have learned the truth.
Well past.
Apologized for all the pain you caused people.
jordan holmes
I think he was only just, I don't think he was being very sincere in that apology, Dan.
I think that was a lie.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, when I was listening to this, it's almost all Walt.
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's what you would expect.
It's a few days out.
You gotta hammer over and over.
unidentified
Not surprised.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But what I was surprised about is how thin the argument is.
One of the big things is just Podesta's email to Bramovich being used as like, oh, everyone's into the devil and blood and lots of blood, lots of blood!
And then this is the other one.
alex jones
Bill Clinton says, I practice voodoo.
I think voodoo's wonderful.
He wrote a book.
Bill Clinton's book.
Where he talks about it.
And how great it is.
I had another copy of the book here that actually said the name of the book and then I had it printed up.
Oh yes, My Life the Early Years.
jordan holmes
Go to page 313.
dan friesen
So, here's the passage from Bill Clinton's book My Life in Full.
I was particularly intrigued by the voodoo religion and culture to which I had some limited exposure in New Orleans, and that existed alongside Catholicism in Haiti.
The name of the traditional Haitian religion comes from the Fawn language of Benin in West Africa, where voodoo originated.
It means God or spirit, without the connotations of black magic and witchcraft attached to it in so many movies.
Voodoo's central ritual is a dance during which spirits possess believers.
On the most interesting day of the trip, I got a chance to observe voodoo in practice.
David's city bank contact in Port-au-Prince offered to take him, Hillary, and me to a nearby village to meet an unusual voodoo priest.
Max Beauvoir had spent 15 years outside Haiti studying at the Sorbonne in Paris and working in New York.
He had a beautiful blonde French wife and two bright young daughters.
He'd been practicing chemical engineering until his voodoo priest grandfather on his deathbed chose Max to succeed him.
Max was a believer, and he did, though it must have proved a challenge for his French wife and westernized kids.
We arrived in the late afternoon, an hour or so before the dance ceremony, which Max opened to paying tourists as a way of covering some of the costs of his operation.
He explained that in Voodoo, God is manifest to humans through spirits that represent forces of light and darkness, good and evil, which are more or less in balance.
After Hillary, David, and I finished our brief course in voodoo theology, we were escorted back to an open area and seated with other guests who had come to witness the ceremony, in which spirits are called forth and enter into the bodies of dancing believers.
After several minutes of rhythmic dancing to pounding drums, the spirits arrived, seizing a woman and a man.
The man proceeded to rub a burning torch all over his body and walk on hot coals without being burned.
The woman, in a frenzy, screamed repeatedly, then grabbed a live chicken and bit its head off.
Then the spirits left, and those that had been possessed fell to the ground.
I describe my brief foray into the world of voodoo because I've always been fascinated by the way different cultures try to make sense of life, nature, and the virtually universal belief that there is a non-physical spirit force at work in the world that existed before humanity and will be here when we're all long gone.
Haitians understanding of how God is manifest in our lives is very different from that of most Christians Jews or Muslims But their documented experiences certainly prove the old adage that the Lord works in mysterious ways So Alex has taken this passage of an interesting...
For an experience.
And turned it into, Bill admits in his book that he loves voodoo, he does it all the time, him and Hillary have spirits come and possess him.
It's like, this is bad.
This is so flimsy.
jordan holmes
It doesn't surprise me that a benign admiration for another culture would be misinterpreted as joining the literal Christian devil to destroy a life.
But what does surprise me is that nobody has written a road trip movie About a guy who is a chemical engineer who all of a sudden his grandfather's like, guess what?
You're the priest now.
Record scratch.
Yeah, exactly, right?
It starts with him rubbing fire on himself and you go, I guess you're wondering how I got here.
And then we started all...
It's easy!
It wrote itself right now.
dan friesen
You've written the trailer.
jordan holmes
Now I get to work.
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
That's an amazing movie.
dan friesen
You finished your book and I get to work on this movie.
Yeah, I just found this to be like, wow, you're making an hour out of this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is pretty soft.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's not good.
dan friesen
I don't know, man.
I just think that...
I mean, look.
If you're in Haiti and someone is like, hey, do you want to come see this voodoo thing that tourists can pay and go to?
jordan holmes
Exactly!
dan friesen
I don't know why you would ever say no.
It would be a very interesting experience.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Totally.
dan friesen
I don't know.
That's all I see in that Clinton book.
jordan holmes
If you're in Tokyo and they give you the opportunity to see a Shinto ritual, you fucking go.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Why go other places if you don't experience things that are part of those places?
jordan holmes
That's why Alex doesn't really go other places.
dan friesen
Well, he goes to the hike and bike trail.
We're going to hear about that a little bit later.
jordan holmes
Of course we are.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex has some inside information about how all these globalists, they're all Satanists and they all kill children.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
And this note here, just as a little warning, this show is disgusting.
alex jones
Let's just say I didn't like in your Hollywood movie where they just cut their little heart out.
We have a lot of children probably listening.
I don't know if I should tell you, in Aleister Crowley, Black Magic, how they kill a three- or four-year-old, generally, so they can really scream for mommy and be fully conscious of what happens.
Would you like me to tell you?
The kind of liberals that want to run your life?
Would you like to know?
Listener discretion advised.
I'll go ahead and tell you the standard way of doing it.
jordan holmes
The standard way.
alex jones
You know, maybe I don't even want to talk about it.
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
How about you don't?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
You already just said children are probably listening.
As we know, this is a family show.
How about you pump the brakes with this nonsense bullshit?
jordan holmes
Hey, all you nine-year-olds out there, you want to hear how Alistair Crowley says to kill three-year-olds?
alex jones
All right!
jordan holmes
Gather round.
dan friesen
So, this is an interesting clip.
As we know, Alex did not go to college.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
But, he does know that in college, sometimes...
If you want to get into one of these secret societies, they'll have you do things that get you in, little by little, until you, you know, by the end, you're in.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Like how Rand Paul, to join his secret society, kidnapped a woman, you know?
dan friesen
And we know that he has refused to debate you.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Day 200.
jordan holmes
Yeah, day a million.
dan friesen
Yeah, we've forgotten.
Lost count.
I would say mic down for this, because I'd like you to consider the order of things that Alex has this imaginary college student engaging in.
alex jones
You know, it's kind of like in college where, oh, we have sex with a goat.
Then we just say a little satanic prayer, but it's all just to see if you'll do it.
And then next, you're doing something different.
Next, it's sex.
And it's not, again, attacking, quote, homosexuals.
It's that we'll see, we're going to have gay sex now.
And then it's, you know what, we're going to go kill a homeless person.
I mean, this is what goes on, okay?
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
That is not the order.
unidentified
I would say it's not.
dan friesen
It shows Alex's mind, though.
He somehow thinks that having homosexual sex is an escalation from having sex with a goat.
jordan holmes
Hey, fuck this goat.
You did it.
Wow, wouldn't expect that.
You want to have sex with me?
Yeah, that's very nice.
That's great.
Alright, now let's go kill a homeless person.
I am really thrown off by you, man!
Pick a lane!
unidentified
The sex with a goat does not seem like it would be the entry point.
jordan holmes
Hey, well, if you'll fuck a goat, you'll fuck me.
Is that what he's trying to say?
dan friesen
These people in this cult must have such low self-esteem.
unidentified
I know!
jordan holmes
They're like, whoa, whoa.
I'm not ready to...
You're not ready for me yet.
You gotta fuck a goat first.
dan friesen
Yeah, that just shows a bit of his homophobia.
And then also the quote homosexuals, whatever that's hoping to convey.
Yeah, I found that to be interesting.
I mean, partially because Alex is just making everything up.
So all it is is just a reflection of his own biases and his own...
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's revealing himself by lying about bullshit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So before the election, Alex isn't fully on board with the GOP because the GOP has not come on board with Trump.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And the growing tide towards white, Christian, heterosexual hegemony and authoritarianism.
And so he thinks that the Republicans are kind of evil, too.
alex jones
Sure.
The Democrats tend to get into Crowley and voodoo.
The Republicans are into Germanic versions of this.
It's like a Germanic mix with the very same old Eastern mysticism, mystery religion, Babylon stuff.
But it's different churches of the same religion.
Different flavors of the same garbage.
unidentified
And...
alex jones
Now that I know so much about this, 30 years later, 30 years later now, I know that they tried to recruit me basically into three different branches of this crap.
Because there's other branches too.
I mean, folks, it runs towns, it runs cities.
It's the real big religion of America.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Satanism's the real religion of America.
The Democrats are into Aleister Crowley nonsense, and the Republicans are Nazis.
They're into Germanic mysticism.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
The Spear of Destiny, is that what he's going for?
That kind of stuff, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I would say this is stupid.
Why?
Everything about it.
And it really becomes that much more stupid when you hear him try to talk in specifics.
Like, listen to this.
Why use numbers?
alex jones
And by the way, the Democrats are far worse than Republicans.
They are basically 90% taken over at the highest levels by people doing the worst stuff you can imagine.
Republicans, it's about 30%.
It got up to about 50% a few years ago, but this culling politically has really brought the pedophile devil worshiper number down.
Is that good?
jordan holmes
Is that bad?
Do we want more?
Do we want less?
dan friesen
We're working on our devil worshiper numbers.
unidentified
What is this?
dan friesen
We've initiated some...
Some rules and regulations in place to...
And now we're down to one in four.
jordan holmes
Is there like a board meeting somewhere where they're like, oh, our Satanism numbers are down.
What are we doing?
They're like, oh, we'll try soda.
Like, what are we doing?
dan friesen
I would like to know how Alex gathered these numbers.
I'd like to know everything.
I want to know about your methodology.
I want to know your definitions of terms.
How does one become part of this 25-30%?
jordan holmes
See, now I'm back in Mad Men and Don Draper is giving an amazing, beautiful speech about how we should all become Satanist pedophiles.
That's what I'm seeing.
dan friesen
No, what this is is Alex's way to support all right-wing conservative...
Republican bullshit, but at the same time pretend that he's like, no, I'm above it.
I'm above the fray.
jordan holmes
I'm willing to criticize what I would consider my team.
dan friesen
I'm willing to make up numbers.
Right?
jordan holmes
Here's my trick.
I'm going to call your guy a strong man, and then I'm going to call my guy a strong man, and then I will never be anywhere, except for white nationalism.
dan friesen
Yep.
So we get an interesting pop-in.
From someone who I haven't heard for a long time because he's not on the show anymore.
unidentified
Basically, there's lots of different celebrities that talk about the Illuminati like Jay-Z and some of the other celebrities that sort of hint at it with the imagery inside of their videos, etc.
And the question is, is this always just some sort of playful take on spiritualism and just kind of a jokey kind of thing that's a little bit scary and spooky like Halloween?
Or is it real?
dan friesen
He thinks it's real.
jordan holmes
I imagine he would think it's real.
dan friesen
Now, do you know who that was?
This is a game I liked to play with my friends back in high school with the Wu-Tang Clan.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
See if they could figure out which rapper was rapping, because they didn't know.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
It was fun to be like, ha-ha, no, that's you, God.
jordan holmes
Is that our Kraken?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Are we dealing with the Kraken here?
dan friesen
Dan Badandi?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No, I don't know who it is.
dan friesen
It's Buckley.
jordan holmes
It's Buckley?
dan friesen
Cousin Buckley.
unidentified
What?
I have...
jordan holmes
I have not heard Buckley in a long time.
dan friesen
Yeah, cousin Buckley.
jordan holmes
What's Buckley doing around?
dan friesen
I don't know, he's talking about how the Illuminati celebrities are real serious.
jordan holmes
That does make sense that Buckley is like, Jay-Z talked about the Illuminati.
He thought he was joking.
It's the devil!
Also, check out these sick beats, Jay-Z.
I would like you to rap over one of these tracks.
dan friesen
Buckley, get out of here.
alex jones
Buckley.
dan friesen
Come on.
Alex rushes him out pretty fast.
He's on for a couple minutes, and then Alex calls him with his top researcher.
Sure, sure, sure.
jordan holmes
All right.
Okay.
dan friesen
Then it got really strange, because my cup should have runneth over.
Because then, what should happen?
But Alex has fucking John Rappaport come in.
jordan holmes
Oh, the Batman!
dan friesen
Yeah, Batman's in studio.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Which is, to me...
Very anomalous.
jordan holmes
He's in studio, yeah.
dan friesen
Rappaport almost only does the fourth hour now.
I very rarely, unless Alex needs a very serious pep talk, he never has Rappaport.
It's a terrible interview.
It's pointless.
It's stupid.
I couldn't even find anything that rose to the level of interest.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
It's just kind of like, yeah, they're demon cults.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Great!
Thanks, Rappaport.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And then there's a pointless interview with William Binney.
jordan holmes
Oh, that doesn't surprise me.
dan friesen
The former technical head of the NSA.
Sure.
Nothing interesting.
jordan holmes
Bananas.
dan friesen
It's just saying that WikiLeaks got stuff from the good guys in the government as opposed to hackers.
alex jones
That's it.
jordan holmes
I don't suppose that surprises me much, though.
Since we are so close to the election, I imagine nobody's coming up with too many big swings other than, like, we gotta do everything we can to stop Hillary from being president.
You know?
Like, nobody's coming up with some really good stuff.
dan friesen
There is a seeming...
jordan holmes
Like, it's focused, maybe.
That's more what I'm getting the gist of.
dan friesen
I think saying it's focused is fair, but it's focused in a strange way.
It's not very interesting, and it doesn't feel ambitious.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
Listening to this, it felt a lot like people treading water.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's...
Seemed weird to me, considering nowadays how Alex is screaming and bloody murder and, like, spitting out of his mouth while he yells.
The behavior is very, very, very different.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And, you know, maybe part of it is because Alex is freaked out by the idea of people drinking blood.
unidentified
Well, that'll happen.
dan friesen
He's not gonna drink blood with John Podesta.
jordan holmes
I say he's drunk.
dan friesen
For $80 trillion.
jordan holmes
$80 trillion?
alex jones
I mean, you could not pay me $80 trillion to be around these people, to be with them, to drink blood with them.
And it's not that I couldn't drink blood.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
Hell, I've done the old hunter ritual.
You know, when you're eight and shoot your first deer and drink blood hot, that's an ancient ritual.
That's just about being a hunter.
jordan holmes
Gross one.
dan friesen
Okay.
So you've drank blood in a ritual?
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure he's drank blood in a ritual, Dan!
Almost an ancient pagan hunting ritual.
dan friesen
Hey, look, I'm gonna spend my entire show talking about how art that I don't understand proves that my enemies demon blood rituals.
Now, granted, I have engaged in a blood ritual when I was eight.
jordan holmes
So fucking arbitrary.
What's a good ritual and a bad ritual?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just arbitrary bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So this next clip is fascinating because this is a classic moment from the Alex Jones show that I did not realize was from this November 4th episode.
But this is a clip that will live in infamy after this point.
unidentified
*music*
Resistance to tyrants is obedience.
alex jones
It's a message to Hillary.
It's Alex Jones.
When I think about all the children Hillary Clinton has personally murdered and chopped up and raped, I have zero fear standing up against her.
Yeah, you heard me right.
Hillary Clinton has personally murdered children.
unidentified
I just can't hold back the truth anymore.
alex jones
Hillary Clinton is one of the most vicious serial killers the planet's ever seen.
Now there's a twist to that.
Am I talking about the devil worship story with her chief of staff, her campaign chairman?
Looking at the menu of blood and semen and body parts at the Aleister Crowley event?
The private event?
Oh no, I'm not talking about that.
I mean 200,000 plus dead Christians with her operation with Syria.
And our operation in Libya and not letting the Christians get out and directing Al-Qaeda and ISIS who target and murder children and put them through sex slavery and throw Catholic priests off cliffs and kill people en masse and murder gays.
And everything else you can imagine, because they don't like peaceful people.
dan friesen
So that is a classic clip from Alex that he will later use a ton, because people in the news, and I believe even maybe the Megyn Kelly interview, took the clip of him saying that Hillary Clinton personally has killed all of these children, and he's like, they took me out of context!
unidentified
Well, to be fair, you spoke poorly.
jordan holmes
Your context is...
Clear within the confines of a sentence.
dan friesen
Well, it's two different thoughts that don't work.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because, I mean, if you want to critique Hillary's foreign policy and decisions that were made while she was at the State Department.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
And how that had ramifications that are not good and do deserve a critique.
Of course.
Fine.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Now, I understand that Alex thinks that he's just sensationalizing it by saying, or trying to get attention by saying she's personal.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
But that's an incorrect statement.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
You're over-sensationalizing it in a way that is only meant kind of to bait people into pointing out that you're an asshole.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
He got what he wanted out of that.
That was a great clip for him.
dan friesen
You could say that Hillary's responsible for a bunch of deaths or something like that.
You could get around the rhetorical move he's trying to make.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He just did it really poorly.
jordan holmes
Did he?
dan friesen
Yes!
jordan holmes
I feel like he did exactly what he wanted to do.
dan friesen
Yes.
But...
If you are somebody who actually understands how language works...
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He did this move poorly.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
If what he was trying to say...
Okay.
If we are measuring the ability he had when saying what it was he ostensibly tried to say, he did a bad job.
If we look at somebody who realizes that nobody's going to come after him for it, and gets to say whatever he wants, and hopefully will...
Go viral with it.
He did exactly the best job.
dan friesen
The goal is attention and trolling people.
He succeeded in that.
I didn't realize that was on this episode.
When I heard that, I was like, I'll be damned.
I've heard this a bunch of times.
So Alex has another guest on, and it's Doug Hagman, one of your favorites.
Doug Hagman.
Love the Hag Dougman.
He's a guy who Alex turns out didn't like for a while.
alex jones
Doug Hagman.
I've been hearing him for 15 years on Coast to Coast AM.
First five, I thought, that guy is too radical.
A lot of what he says I know is accurate.
A lot of it, just too much.
He said they were going to bring in massive Muslims at some point and set up a caliphate.
First guy I heard say it.
He said they were going to use it for strategy attention.
He said a lot of things.
And then about 10 years ago, I started going, man, that all came true, and then more of it came true.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
When?
When?
What?
alex jones
And then I learned from some of my sources.
When?
jordan holmes
Are we caliphate?
alex jones
Former Secret Service.
Did that already happen?
NYPD.
Now, one of those is Bongino, but he doesn't give us any secret stuff.
dan friesen
Ooh, you just outed Bongino.
jordan holmes
Take that, Bongino.
Take that, you shitbag.
dan friesen
You guys are really fast and loose with your sources.
jordan holmes
Did not realize we were already a caliphate.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, it turns out.
And Hagman was way ahead of the curve on that.
jordan holmes
He was way ahead of the curve on that.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, this has to do with the Wiener's laptop.
Yeah.
They're talking about how the New York FBI forced Comey to come out and reopen the investigation into Clinton's emails.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Because if he didn't do that, then they were going to have a press conference where they're going to reveal everything that was on Wiener's laptop.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So Comey did that, and then later, when Comey comes out and says...
Do you know everything?
Yeah.
It's closed.
The investigation's closed.
Alex doesn't really have a great answer for that.
But Doug Hagman, he had a source that had said that they were going to do this.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
That they were going to have a press conference.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And so that's why he's on to sort of gloat about being right.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And this doesn't go great.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But before Hagman gets into the show proper, Alex has to do what he does best, and that is fake crying.
alex jones
Let me tell you something.
When you're with Secret Service agents and they're senior, and those are smart, pretty tough, smart guys, you know, and they've got the archetype and everything of the suit and their eyes right on you, and you can tell they're not, and they're like, she's really dangerous, we're all really scared, and we can't tell everything, but just, you're right about it.
Oh, God save America!
And they start getting a tear in their eye.
You're like, well, what is it?
They go, it's bad!
They hurt children, folks!
dan friesen
I thought he was doing an impression of a crying Secret Service person.
jordan holmes
He's not.
No, that's bad.
I don't buy that for a second.
No, very.
Yeah, I thought it was fake.
dan friesen
Nope.
I thought it was purposefully fake.
It's not purposefully fake, because he starts talking more, and it has the lingering of the crying.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's not good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, in present day, I know we've heard Alex talk a lot.
Pretty regularly about the possibility that we all deserve for the Earth to be destroyed.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Because we're bad.
jordan holmes
Oh, on a bad day.
He's on the globalist team.
dan friesen
Yeah, it turns out this might be year four of him.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Maybe we deserve a nuclear war that they're trying to give us.
Maybe that's what we let devil worshippers in.
Maybe we're meant to get everybody to die.
You know what?
At least they won't be able to torture little kids to death anymore.
At least they'll all just get killed by hydrogen bombs instead of Hillary leaning over them.
Man, a damn dark room.
Imagine that?
How about that witch march in there?
With your toddler, they fished out of your backyard.
How's that sound?
dan friesen
Not good.
I do think that it's interesting that Alex is a silver linings guy.
jordan holmes
He is a silver linings guy.
Maybe no one will.
He's got a point.
If everyone dies, there will be no more murder.
dan friesen
Sure.
Great.
So Doug Hagman comes in and he wants to talk about the codes in the emails.
jordan holmes
I would like to talk about the codes.
I want to hear about the codes.
unidentified
There is a subtext or coding to some of the emails that Podesta and others have, including Hillary, and whom I have been engaged in.
For example, pizza party.
I'll just leave this out there.
Pizza party.
That's not exactly what it means.
Don't bring your favorite video over for pizza night.
A pizza party is something that has sexual connotations.
alex jones
And that's why they say stuff like, they'll be semen, they'll be...
There'll be blood, lots of blood.
Blood even means something.
unidentified
Exactly, it does.
I mean, you could go to...
alex jones
Because what spews lots of blood?
unidentified
Yeah.
Well, yes.
dan friesen
Why would you use blood as the code?
jordan holmes
Why would blood be a code word?
That's a terrible idea.
dan friesen
Yeah.
All right.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Now, ultimately, the plan is to drink blood.
unidentified
So what we're going to do is use blood as code for the blood.
jordan holmes
What's your safe word?
dan friesen
Safe.
They'll never catch on to the fact that we want blood.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Who's bringing videos over for a pizza party?
Is that a thing?
dan friesen
I don't know, maybe you've got a screener.
jordan holmes
I understand it's 2016, but we're not back in VHS times.
dan friesen
I think that the idea of some of these parties are like dinner parties with a couple couples.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So maybe you're coming over and someone has an actual...
Hot pizza oven.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Like a brick oven.
jordan holmes
Okay, yeah.
dan friesen
So you get together and you make a pizza, and then maybe while the pizza's cooking or something, you have a video.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Put Con Air on.
dan friesen
Sure, or maybe, like I said, maybe a screener.
Maybe you have an advanced copy of something, because you're rich.
jordan holmes
This is a big Hollywood party.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's what we're dealing with here.
dan friesen
Or you're just rich.
You're powerful.
You've got advanced things, so bring over some movie that the dumb commoners can't watch yet.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's fair.
They've got Iron Man 7. Is Doug Hagman on that bringing videos over Iron Man 7 trip?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So anyway, Hagman's got a source for his information.
Mic down for this, because this is fucking hilarious.
doug hagmann
Clearly, I just wanted to make it clear that this source is within the orbit of the NYPD-FBI investigation on the ground in New York City and Westchester County as well.
unidentified
Well, specifically New York City.
Boy, I shouldn't have said that.
But there's an investigation going on.
That's...
dan friesen
What are you doing?
jordan holmes
What is happening?
dan friesen
Oh, I shouldn't have said that.
jordan holmes
Whoops!
Whoops-a-doodle!
I'm a professional.
Oh, man.
dan friesen
I'll tell you what.
Would you accidentally possibly reveal too much information about your source on a national syndicated radio show?
Probably best not to highlight it by saying, shouldn't have said that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yep, yep.
jordan holmes
Rudy Giuliani shouldn't have said that.
Whoops-a-doodle.
My bad.
He's laundering bullshit towards me, and now here we are.
Oh, what an asshole.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Anyway, this next clip, I think, is something that needs a citation from Hagman.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
unidentified
And by the way, there will be at least six, if not eight.
Or more verified trips by Hillary and by Huma on the Lolita Express.
Of course, you talked about that.
alex jones
Prince is saying that, too.
And, I mean, folks, you know it's like the crossroads when Eric Prince appears out of nowhere with this information.
dan friesen
You're supposed to hate him.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
Okay.
First off, I understand.
But there's only one Prince.
All right?
You don't get to refer to Eric Prince by his last name.
There's one Prince.
If you say Prince...
You know who we're talking about.
dan friesen
The mercenary formerly known as Eric Prince.
jordan holmes
Do not tell me about Eric Prince.
dan friesen
Also, I'm waiting on information about these trips that Huma and Hillary took on the Lolita Express.
jordan holmes
Why did they take those trips?
dan friesen
Go ahead and provide that documentation whenever you're ready.
jordan holmes
Where were they going?
dan friesen
Who cares?
Anyway, Roger Stone is on!
jordan holmes
Of course he is.
dan friesen
This is a star-studded show here on November 4th.
jordan holmes
I'm seeing that.
This is all one show?
I thought we were on two days.
dan friesen
We are, but we haven't gotten to the 60s yet.
jordan holmes
Oh, man!
dan friesen
You had Rappaport, you had Buckley, you had William Binney, you had Doug Hagman, now you got Roger.
He was supposed to have Steve, but his phone didn't work.
jordan holmes
Call old man house phone.
dan friesen
I got very excited because I got teased with a Steve Pachenik appearance and did not materialize, but...
You got Roger.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
This is a very boring interview, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
God damn it, Roger.
dan friesen
But there is one thing that Roger says that I found very interesting.
alex jones
Am I wrong?
I mean, he's ahead in all the battleground states, even in polls that oversample.
I mean, it looks like a landslide for Trump.
roger stone
As Ronald Reagan would say, I am cautiously optimistic.
alex jones
Bigger win than Reagan had?
Or will they steal it even if he...
I mean, maybe give her all 50 states.
Hell.
roger stone
I am cautiously optimistic.
alex jones
And Trump's in good spirits?
roger stone
In excellent spirits.
Never heard him happier.
alex jones
All right, Roger Stone, we'll talk to you soon.
Thank you, my friend.
roger stone
Many thanks.
dan friesen
That tone is very...
jordan holmes
That's fucked up.
dan friesen
...different.
jordan holmes
We're stealing this election.
I am very cautiously optimistic about the theft that is about to take place.
unidentified
It's...
dan friesen
It's really weird.
I don't know if I heard it the same way you're hearing it.
I heard it as we have no expectation that we're going to win this.
jordan holmes
I heard it as the voting machines in Georgia are definitely going to work this time.
dan friesen
I get where you're coming from on that.
I think it's the other way around.
I think it's...
We get to talk about the voting machines not working after we lose.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
That's how it feels more to me.
It doesn't feel like any of them really have an expectation that Trump is going to win.
unidentified
It really feels like they're all getting ready for Hillary.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they are all.
But yeah, so is everybody.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
We were all ready for it.
dan friesen
I don't hear much talk about Trump at all on this November 4th episode.
It's almost all about how Podesta and Hillary are evil.
They're demons.
If they get in, it's over.
And I grant that's still, you know, I guess, electioneering for Trump, given that Hillary is his opponent.
But still, there's not nearly the quantity of...
Trump is our savior.
He's standing up.
Blah, blah, blah.
There's little flickers of it, but not nearly as much as you might expect days before the 2016 election.
It's mostly about how bad Hillary is.
And to me, it feels like we're getting ready for next season.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because it doesn't feel like the end of the world if Trump loses.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's talk of like Trump could lose.
There's talk of like...
It's not like, well, if Trump loses, it's time to gun everyone down.
Granted, there's still talk of Satanism, but it's almost in a way that's productive for Alex to yell about later.
I have had a very strong reluctance to agree with people who think Alex wanted Hillary to win.
But if I go back and I listen to this episode in particular, and I don't know, we'll see what happens on the later episodes, but it does not feel like he's fully needing Trump to win the way he does now.
jordan holmes
It is funny that our situation is so warped that Alex being like...
Hillary Clinton is a pedophile murderer who's the devil, and we're like, he's kind of ambivalent about this election.
unidentified
My note is he seems weirdly chill.
jordan holmes
Isn't that weird how that's where we're at?
He's only calling her a pedophile demon.
That's borderline nothing.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's the phenomenon that I had.
The background is support for Trump as opposed to foreground.
Like this is this is about building up a villain for your next pay-per-view or whatever like it's not I don't know it was definitely not I think you could probably come up with a couple others.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I imagine...
jordan holmes
Timothy McVeigh?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Well, he would probably defeat Trump.
dan friesen
I think you could probably come up with thousands of people that could lose.
jordan holmes
No, I understand.
dan friesen
I agree that I think of leading, let's say, possible Democrat candidates, she would be probably of few that could be realistic candidates that would have lost.
And, I mean...
A lot of that is not necessarily her fault.
No, no, no!
A lot of it is just based on, you know, shit Larry Nichols did.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think that's the thing that they...
It's not that they just got the propaganda train rolling on her in 2015 or whatever.
That's been going on for...
30 years by that point, you know?
Longer if you lived in Arkansas.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you kind of, I think if you're a political strategist, you think like, well, yes, there is that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But, I mean, that's been going on forever.
jordan holmes
People are over it.
dan friesen
Most people know it's nonsense.
A lot of this is debunked entirely.
Totally.
And unfortunately, it appears that might be a miscalculation.
jordan holmes
Democrats never fail to overestimate the American electorate.
dan friesen
But I might have agreed that these sorts of propaganda campaigns that have existed over decades, that they wouldn't be as potent or as meaningful.
jordan holmes
No, it's very easy to look back and say, now, look at those idiots making that choice.
But at the time, we were all like, yeah, there's no way Bernie's going to beat her.
It's just going to happen.
dan friesen
It's coronation.
I would have said, like, nobody's gonna care about, like, Vince Foster shit.
jordan holmes
No shit.
dan friesen
You fool!
So, Steve was supposed to be on, but he's not, and so Alex has to fill some time, and he decides to do that by making fun of a goth he saw.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
About two months ago, I was on the hiking bike trail.
For security reasons now, I always bring somebody with me, and we're always locked and loaded as well.
Quite frankly, I'm not going to get into inside baseball, but it goes on around here.
But it's gotten to be a little bit serious in the ballgame at this point.
And I'm like 100 yards away, and I saw these really super white-looking people in black.
It looks really crazy.
And I went, man, I got a bad...
I could feel them.
And as I got up close to them, they all had like pentagram necklaces.
They were super white and weak.
There was the old woman and the younger woman and the man.
unidentified
They were past me.
alex jones
They were going up the hill.
I was going down the hill.
And I was like, I sensed them 150 yards away.
Like, I was like, the more you get into this stuff, fighting them, you're like, and they were so weak.
They think they're powerful.
They're totally turned over to evil.
And they're like, they're the most pathetic people.
dan friesen
They might just be some metal fans.
jordan holmes
He's just, did he just discover goths?
Is that what just happened?
dan friesen
Alex's life is so boring that two months ago he saw some goths on the hiking bike trail.
jordan holmes
Just stayed with him.
unidentified
Yeah, and now he's telling it as some kind of a story where he could sense them.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
I can feel pale people in the wind.
dan friesen
Oh, what's this?
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
I would have preferred if he did Paul F. Tompkins' joke from his first album where he's like, I saw a goth running and I leaned out the window of the car and went, Hey!
Where's the funeral?
Like, that's all I want.
That's as bad as it could be.
dan friesen
Well, that's direct bullying.
This is just Alex bullying somebody on a fucking show months later.
At least those goths will never know.
jordan holmes
That Paul F. Tompkins immortalized them?
dan friesen
No.
Alex complained about them.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So we have the last clip here from November 4th, and it's Alex explaining why God allows us humans to exist.
It's an interesting theological point that he makes that I disagree with.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And so that's why God allows us to exist.
jordan holmes
Murder hornet.
alex jones
So that we can really get a bird's eye view on where evil leads.
Because you've got to actually experience it.
You can't for eternity.
jordan holmes
That's not what a bird's eye view means.
alex jones
New souls, new creatures, new free entities God's created.
Just sit here and be told about evil.
You have to experience it at point-blank range.
You have to live it.
You have to see it.
You have to breathe it.
You have to be tortured by it so that you will always have a spiritual memory of just how nasty this is.
So that you've chosen which side you want to be on.
Not with her.
Never with this.
Never.
Never.
Never with these people.
Forever.
All that matters is we're not with her.
That's why she says, with her.
With her.
With the harlot.
With the death.
With the pain.
With the failure.
With the ugliness.
With Satan.
With her.
No.
Not with you.
Never.
dan friesen
Alex is mad about Hillary's slogan.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I would say that if we are our ancestors, then we should have all of their spiritual memories, too.
And I guess if evil has ever been experienced in human history, then we would all have our ancestors' spiritual memories of that evil viscerally, so we wouldn't need to re-experience it over and over again.
I don't know.
I think this is all stupid, and I disagree with it.
jordan holmes
You know, Dan, a lot of people say, I know that I shouldn't jump off the bridge.
But I'm telling you right now, you can't know that it's a bad idea unless you jump, unless you breathe jumping off that bridge, unless you eat jumping off that bridge, unless the Lord himself tells you that jumping off that bridge is a bad thing.
And that's why you gotta jump off the bridge.
You can't know that evil is bad unless you jump off that bridge, Dan.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
I just, I don't know.
This is thin.
jordan holmes
That's very stupid.
dan friesen
So we get to the sixth.
Like I said, the fifth is not worthwhile.
I got really excited because Alex said that he was doing a Saturday show.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it's just talking about how Bill Clinton said that he likes voodoo.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And then Owen Troyer, young Owen Troyer, and pre-firing Rambo Joe Biggs get together and just complain about stuff.
jordan holmes
How's Billy Weaver doing?
dan friesen
She's, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Is she around then?
dan friesen
Maybe.
Alex said that he started working with her years ago.
jordan holmes
Well, we did Rainbow Snatch in our first year, so she was there by 2017 at least.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know if she was a big figure.
I know that Leanne McAdoo is still there.
Sure, sure.
Yeah, I don't know.
We'll see.
I mean, because on Monday, next Monday, our episode will be about that marathon.
And if Millie's there, you better believe she's going to be somewhere in there.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
All hands on deck.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
52 hours.
You're going to be there.
We're going to see Rainbow Snatch for four of those.
dan friesen
Yeah, so we move past Saturday.
It's nothing.
And Sunday comes along, and here is Alex really, really basking in how much traffic he's getting.
A lot of people are liking his shit.
alex jones
One video.
837,000 views.
On YouTube, 200,000.
On our internal streams, 400 plus thousand people.
How many millions is that?
Two and a half million or so?
We have two and a half million viewers last night, separate from even my terrestrial radio show.
If you go to Hillary's Facebook mentions, because the only quote celebrities get them, it's not the Facebook Live thing, it's Facebook mentions.
So we're celebrities, so we get one.
When you go to hers right now, guess how many watched today live with LeBron James through now?
Because it counts live and then afterwards.
Then watch the archive.
5,500 as of 12 minutes ago before I went live.
dan friesen
I don't care.
I don't, I don't.
unidentified
I've got more viewers than Hayler 8. That's petty.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
That's very petty.
dan friesen
Yes, it is.
jordan holmes
Unprofessional?
dan friesen
Perhaps.
So, Roger's back on Sunday, and he's on because he's gloating about winning a court case.
alex jones
Okay.
roger stone
Well, Alex, I'm delighted to be with you.
It's nice to get off the telephone, because I've been in an endless round of conference calls with lawyers, and I don't particularly like lawyers anyway.
Ruling against Donald Trump, Roger Stone, the Republican National Committee, the Trump campaign, and StopTheSteel.org was overturned by the appeals court in Ohio late this afternoon.
There is no evidence of any plan on our part to threaten or intimidate voters in any way.
dan friesen
This is a great example of how crazy the last four years have been.
I'd completely forgotten that right before the election, Roger Stone was involved in a lawsuit where he was accused of engaging in voter intimidation due to his work with the super PAC called Stop the Steal.
jordan holmes
Completely forgot that as well.
dan friesen
On its own, this story is massive, but taken as a part of the chaos that was going on, it just faded into the background.
Roger was running Stop the Steal as a non-profit that was set up to conduct exit polls in cities which had, according to the Huffington Post, quote, Can you exit poll with extreme prejudice?
The group was really nothing more than a website where people could register as volunteer poll watchers who would go to the polls, presumably talk to voters, and then enter the information they gathered onto this website.
The argument was that any election that was more than 2% off from exit polling should be considered suspicious, so what this group was intending to do is create completely nonsensical, non-scientific exit poll data to yell about after Hillary won.
That's what the scam was here.
The goal was to create a narrative on the back of meaningless information that you have created yourself.
Roger even said that the plan was to gather information to use as a challenge to the election in the case that his data didn't match what was coming in.
Sure.
unidentified
But that's nonsense.
dan friesen
Even if his data wasn't completely unverifiable and wasn't biased as hell and complete trash, he couldn't use it as a basis to challenge the election.
The only real outcome of this is to create something to rile up your followers after you lose.
This is a loser's strategy, not a path towards winning.
The Huffington Post article on this is hilarious, and the part about Stop the Steal's website is a personal favorite of mine.
Any registered volunteer could sit at home and start entering false information today.
HuffPost entered five votes Wednesday for Green Party nominee Jill Stein, a vote each for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson, and two votes for GOP nominee Trump.
In looking into it, they just entered false data.
jordan holmes
They just tossed it in bullshit.
Wow.
Wow.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Roger was almost certainly using the super PAC as a way to move money around.
As Mother Jones reported in 2018 that Stop the Steal strangely paid approximately $5,000 in consulting fees to the mother of Stone Associate Kristen Davis, the Manhattan madam.
The mother has no experience in politics or elections, so this seems weird.
According to Mother Jones, quote, in a text message, Stone said he was too busy to answer stupid questions like this.
He did not respond to further questions.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
All this is super weird, because after he got sued over this group, he claimed, quote, I did not establish Stop the Steal.
I do not control its bank account or in any way manage its affairs.
Hard to square that with payments to his friend's mom, who has no business consulting for the PAC, and also payments to other of Roger's associates.
jordan holmes
It was people doing impressions of him online, Dan.
It was all impressions.
Must be.
You didn't even see him!
dan friesen
Just before the election, Stop the Steal sent out new directions to their volunteers that made it clear that they cannot do things that violate voting rights law.
unidentified
Well.
dan friesen
For instance, you can't enter a polling place except to vote.
You can't speak to anyone within 100 feet of the entrance to a polling place.
You can't record anyone.
You can't talk to anyone about anything before they vote.
These rules all basically fly in the face of the blustery talk that was coming out of the group before this.
And it kind of feels like a cover your ass kind of thing.
They'd riled up everybody about the need to protect the polls.
So it doesn't matter if you send out an email that's all like, control yourself the day before the election.
Right.
unidentified
The desired effect has been done.
dan friesen
And you can then you can say that you're trying to get everyone to follow voting laws.
But how can you possibly be held responsible for the actions of these volunteers?
You sent out an We've spent...
jordan holmes
I spent two months describing all of the things that they shouldn't do in repeated angry tones of voice.
If they misunderstood that to mean those are the things that they should do, I've got nothing to do with that.
I sent out an email.
dan friesen
It appears to me that this is exactly what it appears to be.
It looks like an entity that was used to direct money to associates while also hopefully suppressing some of the vote and possibly creating chaos at polling places.
The ultimate payoff, however, is just the creation of a meaningless data that you can pretend is credible that proves that even though Hillary won the election, your guy secretly won.
It's a long con type of thing where you're protecting your grift for the next stage.
This is not the action of somebody who's intending to win.
Because even if Roger was using this as a strategy to help Trump, you couldn't.
Even if he got the best data possible, all you'd get is blog posts out of this.
This would not work in court.
This would not sway anyone's opinion in a legal framework about the validity of the election.
This exit polling data is useless, except as a means of making war propaganda.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of a narrative.
dan friesen
And the propaganda is only useful if Trump loses.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You wouldn't go through all this trouble unless you're looking for a way to, after the fact, dismiss the claims that you're a loser.
jordan holmes
Sure.
I mean, I would also probably argue that You know, if you're setting up a super PAC to move money around in hidden ways...
dan friesen
That's just sort of a side suspicion.
I'm not entirely sure if that's, like, 100% what was going on.
jordan holmes
See, I kind of think of it in the almost reverse there, where it's like, he's setting up a thing to move money around, and he's like, well, we have to have a reason for the thing to exist.
So, this is fine.
dan friesen
Maybe the madam, her mother, was, like, stuffing envelopes.
Sure.
And they called it consultation.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Maybe it's not sketchy.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Anyway, I imagine Stone is just really taking care of, you know, he threw her that little bone.
She's on a fixed income.
dan friesen
Could be.
jordan holmes
Has nothing to do with that Manhattan Madam stuff.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, Kristen Davis and him are friends.
unidentified
I know.
dan friesen
They're longtime associates.
I understand.
But, like, the thing that I just can't get around is, like, thinking of how this would be something you would do.
If you are looking for productive ways to help Trump win or try to protect the win after a potentially contested election.
This would do nothing.
This is pointless except as a PR kind of strategy.
And to me, that is an indication of something kind of strange.
And also...
He's not doing that this time.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Roger's not doing that this time.
jordan holmes
No, they have regular illegal poll watchers now.
dan friesen
But if Roger thought that there was some kind of a real need for this thing that he did last time, if there is a real concern about the polls, you'd think that he would be trying some of the same things.
And he's not, because I think he...
Want Trump to win this time, whereas I'm not positive these people actually even want Trump to win.
I'm starting to come around to the conclusion that these people are expecting a loss, and they're bracing for a loss, and a way for their business to move forward after that.
That's kind of the way that all of this feels.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And one of the reasons that I believe that, or I'm starting to feel that way, is because Alex is declaring victory no matter what happens in the 2016 election.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Which he's doing now.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But in 2020, he's saying that either Trump is going to win or Biden's going to win and it's going to be stolen and Trump actually won.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
The way Alex is declaring victory no matter what is different in 2016.
alex jones
Donald Trump, whether he wins or loses this election, no matter what comes out of it, is a total winner.
He had courage.
You've had courage.
You've taken action.
Globalism is on the table as a crony capitalist, anti-free market, mafia system.
The fact that the Federal Reserve is screwing us over is huge.
The fact that our borders are being resolved.
Political correctness is in...
Tatters.
dan friesen
This is a guy who's making the argument that even if Hillary ends up winning, which of course there will be shenanigans that she cheated, but whatever, even if she wins, we win because corporalism has been put on the table.
We're discussing these things now.
Trump has been such a dick and so rude that political correctness is gone.
This is someone who's trying to look for the silver lining of Trump losing.
It feels like that.
Very strongly, as I go back and I look at this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And maybe it's the juxtaposition of how out of control and desperate he seems for Trump to win now.
Sure.
I don't know.
It's very different than I expected.
I expected to hear a lot more, like, really desperate screaming.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
A lot of, like, pleading, almost.
And I hear...
Barely covered resignation and a desperate attempt to turn Hillary Clinton into the greatest villain, which is pointless if Hillary loses.
jordan holmes
Right.
Yeah.
dan friesen
All of this stuff...
jordan holmes
I mean, we're seeing how pointless it is now, seeing as how they're still trying to run against Hillary and nobody's buying that bullshit anymore.
dan friesen
All of the behaviors that are going on make total sense.
jordan holmes
If you're gearing up for the next election against Hillary.
Again.
dan friesen
Or if you're looking for four more years of fighting against Hillary, it doesn't make a ton of sense if you think that you're going to have to deal with Trump for the long term.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Trump works really well with the way that they're playing this as a prop that goes away.
Like a Ron Paul run.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or whatever.
It doesn't make sense to me.
Sure.
I know that I'm jumping to conclusions a little bit based on not a full data set.
I am just looking at a couple days worth of his show.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But it is the overwhelming sense that I get that he doesn't...
Expect Trump to win.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I imagine that makes sense, though, because at this time we've spent six months being repeatedly hammered with 538 back when everybody thought that was a great thing that gave Biden like an 85% or Hillary like a 75% chance of winning.
So like over and over again every day they're forced to like...
There's only...
The betting money says our guy's gonna lose.
You know?
And now, even though we're dealing with the same type of polls...
dan friesen
But Alex doesn't care about that.
jordan holmes
No, totally.
unidentified
But...
dan friesen
Secret polls.
jordan holmes
I think he does.
dan friesen
Secret polls.
jordan holmes
I think they all do.
Back whenever life was reasonable, at least.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't understand how polls work.
jordan holmes
No, that's true.
dan friesen
He doesn't understand statistics at all.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
Sampling sizes and stuff.
That's true.
jordan holmes
But he understands betting.
dan friesen
I don't know if he does.
jordan holmes
No, that's also true.
dan friesen
Barnes does.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Barnes won a lot of money on the election.
jordan holmes
No, that's fair.
dan friesen
So Roger has a prediction that did not come to pass.
roger stone
I presume that in the period between the election and the inauguration, Obama will probably pardon everybody who's been involved in this sordid mess.
dan friesen
I didn't happen.
jordan holmes
I imagine that if Trump loses between now and the inauguration, Trump will pardon everybody who's committed a crime ever.
I think we might all get a clean slate.
dan friesen
So Roger has a little bit of bone to pick here.
What had happened just before this episode was that Trump had had a rally, someone yelled gun in the audience, and Secret Service came and surrounded Trump.
I went and I watched that video.
Trump looks very confused.
He does not seem stoic.
Alex will say that he is very stoic and strong.
jordan holmes
Strong man, ready to fight.
dan friesen
Now, some people might have been suggesting at that point that this was staged in order to get sympathy for Trump.
And Roger does not care for this.
alex jones
Let's talk the scare last night briefly out in Nevada.
I mean, now we know it's a Democratic Party operative that was there to bird dog.
What is the point of screaming gun, gun, and then running at Trump just to make him look weak or something?
roger stone
Well, what I found particularly aggravating, Alex, and I was on with Joe Beggs last night on Infowars to talk about this, is within seconds of this happening, we counted over 400 tweets blaming me.
Roger Stone staged this to...
dan friesen
Now, in the present day, you have Gretchen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan, who was the subject of a kidnapping plot that Alex says was done to get sympathy for her, which is Alice in Wonderland stuff, according to Roger.
Also, the other thing that I find incredibly fascinating about this is that when it's Trump, The plot is Democrats doing it to make him look weak.
That's the conspiracy.
When it's Whitmer, it's, I don't know, the intelligence agencies doing this to get her sympathy.
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
Democrats are really good at false flags.
We can turn them into whatever we want.
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
That's what we do, right, Dan?
We false flag everybody.
dan friesen
Or it's just Alex makes all this shit up, and whenever he needs to paint someone as a villain or a hero, he does it in slightly different ways.
jordan holmes
Well, that could be, too, I suppose.
I think Roger specifically pointing out that there were 400 tweets within seconds makes me feel like he did do it.
Roger being like, in seconds after this happened, 400 tweets came out, and they were the ones who knew what I did.
dan friesen
Or I run 400 Twitter accounts.
jordan holmes
And I was trying to false flag to get some sympathy for myself.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So apparently Trump is pretty fatalistic.
This gets Alex really excited.
alex jones
Stone's got to leave in a minute, but I want him to get to this, because he's told me stuff that I later saw come out, or other people told me.
And the fact was, a couple years ago, Trump wasn't going to run.
He knew what would happen to him.
But he just finally said, okay, I'll just sign my life over.
And it doesn't matter.
And his wife backed him on it.
He expects to probably be killed.
And Stone just let it slip, so I brought it up.
Of how committed Trump is.
dan friesen
So this is Steve's stuff.
This is all like Steve's.
I recruited Trump to run with this group of good guys and the intelligence stuff, which was one of the reasons why I was excited to hear that Steve was going to be on.
And then when he didn't show up, I got kind of sad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a little disappointing.
dan friesen
Because I wanted to hear some more of that stuff.
jordan holmes
I wanted to swing, yeah.
dan friesen
But yeah, so...
Roger says that Trump is very fatalistic about this, and Alex is like, oh, let's get some inside baseball shit going.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And so they start talking about how he doesn't even wear a bulletproof vest, man.
alex jones
No, but you said it.
Let's talk about, you said fatalistic.
Let's get down to the wire that they can't even make him wear a bulletproof vest.
He just doesn't even care.
This is so presidential.
roger stone
Well, he wore one in the summertime.
and frankly was so damn hot and heavy, uh, that he felt it was slowing down his performance on the stump.
Uh, Yeah, let's not let out security secrets.
alex jones
That's an example.
He just doesn't care, folks.
That is so manly.
You called him fatalistic.
Go ahead and tell folks, since you've mentioned it.
He is the opposite of that coward demon, Hillary, isn't he?
dan friesen
I love that Alex is trying to do this like, oh, he's so manly, won't wear a bowler vest.
And Roger's like, well, it was just kind of hot.
unidentified
It was hot.
dan friesen
It's hard to move around, didn't it?
jordan holmes
He didn't think it was very good.
dan friesen
It was unflattering to his figure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, not very strong, man, to just wither under the heat.
dan friesen
Oh, so manly.
Oh, so strong!
Yeah, Alex is trying to push this now, this Trump is ready to die for the country, which is not...
At all foremost.
It is not at the front of Alex's reporting.
And it's coming in a tiny bit here, but it's weird.
They're not fully committed to this as something that is being discussed a lot.
jordan holmes
Man, you know, for somebody who believes that Hillary Clinton is working for the literal Christian devil in 2016...
You would think he would be far more insistent that everyone get out and vote and not very kind of like...
Ah, he's probably not gonna win.
You know, like, wouldn't you be fucking going apeshit?
dan friesen
Don't get me wrong, they are saying you should vote for Trump.
jordan holmes
Totally, totally, but the literal Christian devil kind of voting, you know?
dan friesen
It's almost entirely vote against Hillary.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Until this, like, this little stretch with Roger, where Alex is excited about the idea that Trump doesn't wear a bulletproof vest and he's ready to die, or whatever.
And I think largely that's just motivated by the conversation about what happened at the rally the night before.
It's very little positive about Trump as much as it is supremely negative about Hillary.
Man!
jordan holmes
How did we go from there to Trump is God King?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's weird.
jordan holmes
All it takes to make the hard right love you so much they want you to be king is for you to piss off the libs?
I guess.
dan friesen
That's bad.
So Roger's gone, and now Alex continues with a little bit more talking about how great Trump is.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But again, it's not the biggest deal.
alex jones
High-level groups have come to Trump, and they know he's ahead.
And they've said, just work with us.
And we will let you in.
He said, I serve the American people.
This happened yesterday.
jordan holmes
Sure it did.
alex jones
Yesterday.
If you knew how real this was, you would be crapping your pants.
They came to Trump and they said the deep state.
The older elements of it.
Bush-connected groups.
And they said, just say you'll work with us.
And just say you'll listen to us some.
And we will...
Let you win.
You are the winner.
And Donald Trump told him no.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
The American people are going to decide.
And they said, okay, buddy.
Okay.
And that was a warning last night.
Guy jumping up with a gun.
I got a gun.
I got a gun.
We're running at the podium.
What did Trump do?
He just stood there and waited.
dan friesen
No, he didn't.
He looked pretty confused.
That's what I would say.
If you go watch that video, Trump just is like, ooh.
I don't know.
I mean, like, what Alex is trying to do here is just, like, a half-cooked version of, like, you know, this doesn't sound like he's even convinced of any of this.
He's grasping at straws.
jordan holmes
If you listen to us some, what kind of big bad is, like, listen to us sometimes.
Hey, hey, we're blackmailing you.
We're going to install you into office.
75% of the time, do whatever you want, bro.
Just to get it out of there.
dan friesen
Consider.
jordan holmes
We want a seat at the table of the office we're literally giving to you.
dan friesen
I don't always need my way.
I just need to know you heard me.
jordan holmes
It is a very touchy-feely kind of overwhelming force.
dan friesen
You can just hear him pulling out these like, this happened yesterday.
jordan holmes
You would shit your pants if you knew how real this was.
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, it to me just seems like Alex isn't...
He's not fully developed this ability to lionize Trump in the way that he's become accustomed to now.
And maybe it's a lack of development of the skill.
Maybe it's an ambivalence.
It just seems very flat.
jordan holmes
This happened yesterday.
Get the fuck out.
dan friesen
So we have one more guest here on November 6th, and it's a guy who's very concerned about witches.
jordan holmes
Oh, what?
We got it, we got it.
dan friesen
Larry Nichols shows up here on November 6th.
unidentified
R.I.P.
dan friesen
And this is something that, this is a story that I've heard Larry tell before, and let's hear it again.
Why not?
It's a good one.
jordan holmes
It's a good story.
larry nichols
You know, Alex, all I can tell you is, man, finally I had to go to Hillary.
I literally had to go to her to try to get her to stop.
I went to her, I said, Hillary, if we get caught when you go into this witch's church, we're done.
I mean, this is...
You know, this is the early 80s, late 70s, whatever kind it was.
And I said, there's no way we can cover that.
tucker carlson
But I said, she said, there's no way she's going to go.
larry nichols
I said, well, then do this.
I knew Channel 11's crew, TV, local TV station in Little Rock.
I said, look, you go to the Methodist Church every Sunday.
I'm going to set the crew, get you coming out of the church.
Now, you told me 20 years ago.
alex jones
You told me 20 years ago.
larry nichols
Yeah, you're going to come out of the church, and then you're going to talk about how happy you were to be in church and profess Jesus Christ and God and all that.
She turned away from me, folks.
She turned away.
But before she took a step, she turned her head back to the left, and she said, you know I can't do that, and turned her head back around and walked away.
jordan holmes
I just got chills.
I just got chills.
dan friesen
I love that story.
unidentified
Don't believe it, but I love it.
dan friesen
Larry Nichols just going to Hillary and being like, we just need you to pretend to be into Jesus.
You know I can't do that.
jordan holmes
You know I can't do that.
dan friesen
Why couldn't you?
jordan holmes
Oh, she just can't.
dan friesen
If you are, like, the devil is the king of lies.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Even the devil can quote scripture.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
Not there.
Not there.
There are a lot of arcane rules that make sense.
In context.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I feel like if you are an instrument of Satan who is trying to take over the country to somehow stop Alex from doing something, you'd be able to pretend that you went to a Methodist church and had a good time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it would be hard.
dan friesen
I cannot do that.
jordan holmes
Especially considering she's been to church millions of times.
dan friesen
Plenty of times.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But hey, I probably wouldn't play that clip again because he's told that story a bunch of times, but it leads into Alex...
Yeah, half remembering something.
alex jones
It was in mainstream news, Washington Post as well, that she does these sayances for the dead, and liberals will be there.
Well, if you can call it the dead, Hillary, she's just getting them roped in.
That's the first level of the occult.
Can we talk to Jesus?
And she says, that's the one person we don't talk to.
larry nichols
And she said, I can't.
You know I can't do that.
alex jones
But you told me that 20 years ago.
Then a decade ago, the Washington Post asked, they were like, oh, she does seances.
Who would she talk to?
Well, not Jesus.
She'd let you talk to anybody but Jesus.
What is that?
I mean, this lady is a veritable devil.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
Hold the fucking phone.
So it would be better if they could actually contact Jesus by his seance?
Wouldn't that throw everything that Alex believes into turmoil?
dan friesen
It does sort of imply that Alex believes these seances work and Jesus is getting snubbed.
jordan holmes
You could get Jesus.
dan friesen
It's just rude.
What she's doing is rude.
alex jones
Is that what it is?
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
That's what they're mad about.
Oh, you're not going to talk to Jesus?
You're too good for Jesus?
dan friesen
Yeah, so Alex's timeline's a little bit off here.
He's saying that Larry told him about this 20 years ago, and then 10 years ago is in the news.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And that's not true.
This is from a book written by Bob Woodward back in 1996, so 20 years ago.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
In the book, it's claimed that Hillary would have, quote, imaginary conversations with Eleanor Roosevelt and Mahatma Gandhi as a therapeutic release.
In 2016, Bill Clinton gave a speech at the dedication of the Franklin Delano Roosevelt for Freedoms Park, in which he mentioned the exercises that Hillary did, pretending to speak to Eleanor as a way of helping her cope with her new responsibilities as First Lady.
This video was taken and used to resurrect the talking point that Hillary speaks to the dead and engages in demonic rituals, which Alex is doing here.
As for the part about Hillary not talking to Jesus, from a CNN article about Woodward's book, quote, the First Lady declined a personal advisor's suggestion that she address Jesus Christ, however, because it would be, quote, too personal, according to Woodward's book, The Choice.
This is outrageously thin soup.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is just kind of like...
I mean, I don't know.
I've been in therapy and you talk to your younger self or a dead relative.
You do a cathartic thing where you talk about some memory.
I don't know that you need to get out.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You don't have the ability to.
It's something that people do.
I find it completely plausible.
That Hillary would have a conversation imagined with Eleanor Roosevelt, someone who she admires and now is in the same role as, makes total sense.
This is all bullshit.
jordan holmes
I think what boggles my mind, it never boggles my mind, because it's always obvious, but Reagan literally made policy decisions based on an astrologer.
Like the Reagans had a personal astrologer who they would ask...
Policy questions, too.
And then make decisions based on that.
dan friesen
Yes, but...
jordan holmes
Witches.
Oh.
Well, you're probably right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Did they astrologize Jesus?
Did they snub Jesus with the astrology?
dan friesen
Hillary went to a church with Linda Bloodworth Thomas from the Designing Women.
jordan holmes
Witches.
Witches.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here, and I keep this as a nice way to push back against the folks that have...
I've gotten a little bit of feedback that people might think that we're a little soft on Larry because of remembering him or whatever.
Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.
I would say I take that criticism, but I would also say that the only thing that I want to be careful about is I am fine with remembering his history and being like, fuck you, you piece of shit.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
I just don't want the occasion of his death to be the reason we would do something like that.
And so...
Yeah, maybe a little bit soft, if only to not be monstrous in presentation.
I have no interest in turning him into any figure who's not a complete cretin.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And a horrible, toxic influence on everything that matters.
jordan holmes
It's weird for us to...
We should probably be graded on a curve.
As far as reverence goes, everybody we talk about would be fine if they all went into an incinerator.
They're all awful, awful people.
dan friesen
With very few exceptions, and they are in this by accident.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Fuck all of them.
Well, yeah, and it's the same with you talking about earlier, Hillary is a demon, and this is Alex's whole thing, and we're like, yeah, it's kind of mild.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
This is ambivalence.
We're graded on a curve.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's an understood these people suck.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But just to be perfectly fair, Larry Nichols sucks a whole lot.
larry nichols
This is going to sound terrible, but I want to say it to every white American concerned it.
jordan holmes
Oh, good.
larry nichols
You better get out and vote.
Because it's going to be your last chance.
alex jones
And again, it's not racially based.
The media has made it racially based.
larry nichols
That's right.
dan friesen
That's right.
jordan holmes
No, he literally made it racially based by saying that.
dan friesen
You bet.
jordan holmes
What do you mean it's not racially based?
He just said all white people need to vote or they'll never get to vote again.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
That's racially based.
dan friesen
Well, all white conservatives.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
All white people who are super invested in their whiteness, you better vote because otherwise...
jordan holmes
Meanwhile, literally, right now...
Everybody who's not a white conservative better fucking vote because it might be your last fucking chance!
dan friesen
You're the new Larry Nichols.
Apparently I am!
You hear stuff like that and it's like, yeah, okay, Larry, I gotcha.
I hear what you're saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Put it down, buddy.
jordan holmes
Racist piece of shit.
dan friesen
I found this stretch to be really interesting and really...
Not what I expected at all.
I found it to be mild from a desperation standpoint.
But also not in the way of, like, we've got this in the bag.
There's still a, like, hey, if we lose, we still won because globalism's being discussed and PC culture took a hit.
You know, like, it's kind of like a we're fine if we lose because our business is on the right direction.
We've created the talking points that we need in order to sustain years of fighting Hillary.
We've talked about her being a demon.
We might have to deal with that.
But, you know, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
I'm coming around to a possibility that Alex did not want or expect Trump to win, which is not the framework I've had for the time we've been doing this show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there is a little bit of, we had our fun.
You know, like, we had our fun with Trump.
He got to be a dick to everybody.
He got to make fun of all the non-white people.
We got our message out, which is, fuck non-white people.
And now it's like, okay, now we have to go back to the way we used to act.
dan friesen
It's interesting, too, that you'd never really be able to really know what's what because Alex will never be like, hey, don't vote for Trump.
It's bad for business.
You can't do that.
You have to be encouraging people to do the thing that will probably never work out.
Or even is not...
Your preferred outcome.
You have to still push in that direction.
Alex would never want Ron Paul to actually win.
But you can never be like, well, it's time to give up on Ron Paul and vote for Mitt Romney.
jordan holmes
He's still a salesman.
His consumers...
You can't...
Just force consumers to eat whatever it is you want them to.
You have to sell them a product they want.
You can force regular globalists to drink lots of blood, Dan.
dan friesen
That's the other thing, too, that was really disappointing, kind of, is looking back on, like, oh, all of this is just about Marina Abramovich and her art.
That's how you get to the demon stuff.
You're just misrepresenting a couple passages from Bill Clinton's book about him being into voodoo.
Hillary's into sex.
Because she imagined talking to Eleanor Roosevelt.
It's just so impotent in terms of having any legs to it.
The propaganda is so thin.
jordan holmes
Yep, and it worked.
dan friesen
I mean, I'm looking for things that are deeper, and it's like, no, you just saw a painting that freaked you out.
jordan holmes
It should be harder to end the world.
I would suggest that you should have to have something concrete to end the world on, but apparently you can just do it with fiction.
dan friesen
You can do it every once.
jordan holmes
That's amazing.
dan friesen
So we'll be back for another episode on Wednesday.
Indeed.
And we'll be covering present day stuff.
And then next Monday we will get back to the 2016 election stuff.
And right in time for our election.
jordan holmes
Very exciting.
dan friesen
We will see how Alex was behaving the day before his.
jordan holmes
Oh, so scary.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know if this is a good idea, but oh well.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yes.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook and the Dallas show, right?
iTunes.
And if you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out those doing God's work right now.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
I'm the Juiciest Ice Cube.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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