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Oct. 2, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
02:11:47
#488: The First Debate Spectacular

Today, Dan and Jordan take a look at Alex Jones' coverage of the first presidential debate of the 2020 election. The debate itself was a mess, and Alex's show was basically the same thing, but with a few extra childish sound effects and blood-based accusations.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
16:49
d
dan friesen
01:00:49
j
jordan holmes
29:00
Appearances
d
deanna lorraine
01:25
d
donald j trump
01:52
j
joe biden
01:39
o
owen shroyer
02:32
Clips
j
jim hoft
00:07
Callers
carlos in canada
00:12
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
donald j trump
and enjoy knowledge fight.
unidentified
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
jordan holmes
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan!
Jordan!
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is that we are recording with a new setup.
unidentified
Yes!
dan friesen
And this is a complicated bright spot for me because it involves sort of a secondary bright spot that is a little bit of letting go on my part.
And an apology a little bit.
The last couple episodes we've had some janky sound going on.
And part of the reason for that is that I think our equipment sucked.
unidentified
Wow!
dan friesen
I've been very defensive about it.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
That dust-covered soundboard on the floor right now.
That's the picture of perfect sound.
dan friesen
That's the letting go part of it.
jordan holmes
I know.
That's what I'm enjoying about it.
dan friesen
For me, I think there's something a little bit unexamined about my attachment to it, the soundboard.
I've had it for eight years or something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Everything's fine.
I'll make it work.
jordan holmes
Totally, totally.
dan friesen
And I think that we just got to a point in the last week or so that was Just like, well, we have ideas about things we want to do in terms of being able to record some video and bring back some streaming episodes and stuff.
jordan holmes
We'd love to.
dan friesen
And with the technical difficulties and stuff we were experiencing, and the fact that it encroached into the actual sound of the episodes, it was just a thing where I kind of had to finally reach the moment of surrender and just be like...
No, I gotta let go.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's hard to be like, let's add more stuff whenever we're still like, there's something wrong with the regular stuff.
dan friesen
I have to get my finger in this hole in the wall or else there'll be a flood.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
I can't add anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And so I appreciate you sort of gently pushing me towards that.
jordan holmes
Yes, it was very gentle.
I'm known for my gentle approach.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, if you weren't bullying about the fact that, Dan, you just have a sentimental attachment to that old set of equipment.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And you need to let it go.
jordan holmes
I'm far more manipulative than that.
dan friesen
Yeah, that might have been what it...
Wait a second.
jordan holmes
Ha ha!
You fool!
dan friesen
So I hope that the sound is better on this episode, and we won't really fully know until after we're done recording, so it's kind of a double-edged sword.
Right.
But hopefully that is the case, and I'm excited about the prospects of what this pretends for the future and what we'll be able to do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what's fun is if you're hearing this, that means...
It has worked better.
If you're not hearing this.
unidentified
If you're hearing this and it sounds good, that means it worked.
dan friesen
If you're hearing this and it's like...
Then maybe it didn't work.
jordan holmes
Our bad.
dan friesen
Yeah, I know a lot of people have been clamoring for things like bringing back some live streams.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
I know that you and I have both talked a ton about various ways we could incorporate video.
And I'm excited about the possibilities of figuring out what ways we can take those things.
And expand the product of what we do.
jordan holmes
I am as well.
It's going to be very exciting.
dan friesen
So that's my bright spot.
And it might just be because I'm running on, like, no sleep.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm pumped.
It took a lot to make this bright spot happen.
I would assume that your bright spot would more be the sense of achievement that you had from putting together this setup.
dan friesen
Hey, man, I didn't want to brag.
Mostly because it might not work.
jordan holmes
I would non-stop brag.
dan friesen
Can I suggest a bright spot for you?
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
I didn't text you complaints.
Through the process of setting up this new sound system.
jordan holmes
I received a few texts hours apart, which means that I missed out on minute-by-minute updates of frustration and fury.
dan friesen
Well, late in the evening last night, I texted you something along the lines of, like, this shit isn't working out.
Yes.
And that was to emotionally prepare you for the possibility that it wasn't going to work out.
You did not really respond to that message for a while, and I got the message.
Loud and clear.
jordan holmes
That was not the message.
I was busy.
I was cooking dinner.
It's an important ritual that we have if we are cooking.
Try not to do outside stuff.
dan friesen
Well, that came across as...
jordan holmes
Go fuck yourself, Dan.
dan friesen
Don't complain to me, asshole.
unidentified
You made your bed, now lie in it.
dan friesen
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to tell you what your bright spot was.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, it's okay.
My bright spot is commanding.
No, my bright spot, Dan, is I finally, on your recommendation, I finally got to playing The Last of Us.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
jordan holmes
And it is fantastic.
It's really good.
It's great to watch.
It's got a very cinematic feel.
I enjoy it immensely.
dan friesen
That recommendation is really immediate.
I told you maybe a couple days ago because I just started playing it as well.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I mean, I'm very...
dan friesen
I have not finished it.
jordan holmes
I'm very susceptible.
dan friesen
Especially when it comes to video games.
jordan holmes
You're in the middle?
I've gotten a few hours through it.
Like, the opening...
The movie thing was great.
unidentified
I enjoyed that.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's very gripping.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The story, it grabs you even as just a kind of like, it's very similar to a lot of other zombie stories.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But it's still well done.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a good zombie story.
dan friesen
You care about the characters.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
And you're interested in it.
Yeah, I am known on the streets as not a zombie guy.
jordan holmes
True, true.
dan friesen
I have a lot of people who I've known, friends, who've been deep into zombie stuff.
And it's never really intrigued me much.
Like, I get it.
It's a metaphor.
I get it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
And it's nice to try out a survival horror game and it be like, ah, this is kind of fun.
I enjoy it.
jordan holmes
It was interesting.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Might fuck around and play a Resident Evil.
jordan holmes
I'm always a little bit bored whenever something is universally beloved and won all these awards and then I try it and it's great and it deserves everything.
I'm like, okay, fine.
What's the point of me then?
I could just be anybody out there.
I'm supposed to come with the good takes, Dan.
I'm a contrarian.
dan friesen
Your independence and your uniqueness is gone when you love the thing everyone loves.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
What's the point?
dan friesen
But then sometimes the thing that everyone loves is just...
unidentified
It's great.
jordan holmes
It's really good.
dan friesen
Like pizza.
It's great.
jordan holmes
Good for everybody who loves it.
We're all on the same team.
It's nice to be an accepted member of the community.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I would love to have played more Last of Us, but I can't because I have been dead straight working.
jordan holmes
These are the types of texts that I didn't get last night that I'm very...
dan friesen
While you were playing Last of Us.
jordan holmes
That is my bright spot.
unidentified
I was cooking dinner.
dan friesen
You were playing a 10-year-old video game.
Yeah, it was a lot.
It was a lot.
And, I mean, I don't want to sit here and complain because I feel good and it's not that bad.
But it was a lot of hassle.
And then at the same time, the episode that we're doing today, Jordan, is the debate coverage of Alex Jones on the first debate between Joe Biden and Donald Trump.
And so that was a whole lot of territory to cover.
So it was a lot on my plate.
And I really am jealous of...
Time that I used to have to play video games.
But eventually I'll be able to get back to playing a little bit and that'll be fun.
I'll shoot some zombies.
jordan holmes
It'll be awesome.
dan friesen
And maybe hit somebody with a baseball bat.
jordan holmes
Who knows?
dan friesen
So we're going to get to this episode.
There's a bit going on here.
It's really silly.
A lot of it's very stupid.
And we'll get to all of that.
But before we do, we've got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who've signed up and are supporting the show.
So first, Casualty from Sweden.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Casualty.
dan friesen
Trying to get in on Sonia's territory.
jordan holmes
I like that.
I like a casualty.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
Patrick D., you are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Patrick.
dan friesen
Next, Raymond R. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Raymond.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Little Goatman.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Little Goatman.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Nick P. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Nick.
dan friesen
Next, Riley D. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Riley.
unidentified
Thank you, Riley.
dan friesen
Next, Bryn E. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Bryn.
dan friesen
Thank you, Bryn.
And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on Elevated Level, and we appreciate that very much.
So first, Jack P. Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Adequate Moose.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare InfoWare on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Jack.
And thank you so much, Adequate Moose.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.
dan friesen
As we all know...
No moose are adequate.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
They're all above average to me.
I love a moose.
unidentified
Bullwinkle.
jordan holmes
I don't know if all moose are above average.
unidentified
Bullwinkle?
jordan holmes
What is this?
Well, he's not all moose.
That's a small sample size.
There's one.
dan friesen
Very characteristic of moose.
unidentified
Is he?
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
English speaking?
dan friesen
Yep.
Friends with a flying squirrel.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Now that one is obvious.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
That one everybody knows is true of all moose.
dan friesen
Yes.
If you're out there listening and thinking, hey, I enjoy the show and love moose.
I'd like to support what these gents do.
They're very pro-moose.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
You can support the show by going to our website, knowledgefight.com.
Click the button and say support the show.
We would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
Or what you can do is take that generous spirit, Dan.
dan friesen
Please be something about Mr. Peabody.
jordan holmes
Please be something about Mr. Peabody.
Now I've lost it, Dan.
You're so unsupported.
You can escort it through the wasteland covered in fungus and take that to create the vaccine of truth and love and generosity.
Generosity that will carry us all through this by going to a local charity or bail fund, Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah, that works.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I feel like I executed that one and you gave me no positive reinforcement.
dan friesen
Wow, because I wanted it to have something to do with Mr. Peabody.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
Shout out E. Edward Everett Horton.
Who's the guy who did the voices on Rocky and Paul Wickel?
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, I don't know.
dan friesen
Everett Horton, I think?
jordan holmes
I think it might be him, yeah.
dan friesen
Something like that.
I used to know.
Anyway, Jordan, today what we're going to be going over is too much...
time uh on alex's show sure they did what they normally do which is really swing too hard for no reason yeah and so they did hours of coverage before the debate pre-debate what's gonna happen tonight sure how are we gonna do right then uh did the debate coverage So we're going to be looking at that, and then we're going to be looking at September 30th, the day after the debate where Alex comes in and tries to spin things.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, I assume their immediate reaction when the debate happened was that of the rest of the world, which was just like, oh no.
unidentified
It's...
jordan holmes
Oh god.
dan friesen
I think it's a little more complicated than that, but there is an element of that.
There's an element that I think a lot of people who don't look at this stuff regularly would be surprised to know is a piece of their response.
Sure.
And I think I understand fully why, and that'll probably be a large part of our conversation.
But here is an out-of-context drop from today's show.
alex jones
Dead cats are not the military!
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
That's one of the things that I find the most difficult to argue.
jordan holmes
What?
Dead cats are not the military?
dan friesen
He makes a good point.
jordan holmes
That is...
I mean, is it a good point?
I think it's a point, and it's a defensible one.
dan friesen
That's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
I don't know if it's a good one.
dan friesen
I'm saying that I can't argue against it.
So here we start the pre-debate, and I got real bummed out because Owen Schroyer's hosting the beginning of it.
And it starts with what appears to be taunting Joe Biden to debate in the pre-show to the debate that Joe Biden is doing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's very strange.
unidentified
cut I mean, yes.
owen shroyer
Can Joe come out and debate?
jordan holmes
Yes, that is, that is, yeah.
unidentified
It's almost time, Sleepy Joe.
It's almost time, Sleepy Joe.
owen shroyer
Wake up from that nap, Sleepy Joe.
Come out of that basement, Sleepy Joe.
dan friesen
See you.
They've been doing this thing for so long where they're like, this debate isn't gonna happen.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
They've kind of backed themselves into like, it is happening.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Uh-oh.
jordan holmes
You can't really taunt somebody when they've agreed to do the thing already.
dan friesen
Yeah, and the pre-show of it is starting.
It's very strange.
It's very strange.
They had such a built-up narrative of, like, they're going to cancel the debate because Joe Biden can't talk.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And all this, like, well, huh, we have two hours until it starts.
jordan holmes
Come on, you coward, debate me!
I agreed two weeks ago.
I mean, we've already set this up.
It's been planned.
People have been advertising.
dan friesen
I'm backstage having a coffee.
jordan holmes
No, you're too weak.
You're too weak to debate me.
No, I mean, honestly, I am already here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Talking to you.
dan friesen
And now that the debate is going to happen, of course, there...
Sure.
owen shroyer
Both candidates kind of at an angle looking in.
Maybe that makes it easier to hide Biden's earpiece.
Where is the door that they're going to shuffle Biden off to to give him a quick hit of speed or adrenochrome or whatever they have stored?
Great.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So these are the narratives that are taking shape here.
We've got the earpiece narrative, and we've got Joe Biden's got to have adrenochrome.
jordan holmes
I've never understood why they think that's a good line of attack on Joe Biden.
Oh, he's probably taking drugs to get through this.
Dude, I'm taking drugs to get through this.
Fuck yeah.
I hope he's taking drugs.
dan friesen
Everyone watching at home is hammered.
jordan holmes
Oh no!
He's taking performance enhancing drugs.
Fuck yeah!
I was in favor of Sammy Sosa taking performance enhancing drugs.
You think I'm not going to be pro the guy fighting against fascism?
Hell yeah!
dan friesen
I think that there might be something to that.
And then also there's just like, hey...
Who cares?
Not who cares if someone's on speed, but who cares about what you think?
Who cares what your perception is?
You've decided he must be on speed.
jordan holmes
I think he's on drugs.
Okay.
dan friesen
Cool.
I see no evidence of that.
There's an issue there.
Owen's trying to do whatever he can because there's no debate yet.
It's still the pre-show and stuff, so he's trying to make fun of things like the podium.
jordan holmes
He's doing that up-top crowd work.
Hey, you with the shirt.
Hey, come on now.
dan friesen
Hey, look at this over here.
jordan holmes
They got an eagle up there.
dan friesen
Come on, guys.
Who's ever seen stand up in front of a brick wall?
What is this place?
That kind of thing.
owen shroyer
Oh, and they have a nice little COVID testing center there.
For anybody who's going to be attending, isn't that nice?
unidentified
Oh, so trendy.
owen shroyer
Will it be the flim-flam in the land?
Will it be the slam in the land?
Will it be the sham in the land?
Or will Joe Biden get cleaved in the land?
This is InfoWars.
Presidential debate coverage.
dan friesen
Nailed it.
unidentified
Woof.
dan friesen
Yep.
Will he get cleaved in the land?
That was a long walk.
jordan holmes
That requires a meeting in the office after you're off air.
Just like, come here.
Let's review your performance here.
dan friesen
I don't think so.
I think he was told to do that.
Because he says cleaved in the land a ton.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I think it's even in the title of the band.video piece that this came from.
Something about cleave and land.
jordan holmes
Was it because it's so catchy?
So catchy.
A lot of people say you've been cleaved in the land before.
dan friesen
Well, because it's in Cleveland.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I got it.
I got it.
It's good work.
dan friesen
Anyway, Joe Biden, he be sleepy.
jordan holmes
Sure.
owen shroyer
It's going to be a wild night, ladies and gentlemen.
90 minutes.
Oh my gosh.
Joe Biden, man.
Joe, sleepy Joe.
Is he going to be able to make it?
He can't make it.
They've already admitted it.
He needs an earpiece.
He needs a nap, a break every 30 minutes.
But he can be president.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's just nothing going on.
This is bad.
It's real bad.
jordan holmes
This is brutal.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was real tough.
And it got tougher because he decided to start taking some calls.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
And he gets a caller who's like, this lady's trying to make a joke.
And listen to how great Owen's improv chops are.
unidentified
And at the end, Trump will tell Biden he's fired.
owen shroyer
Well, he doesn't even have a job, though.
Biden doesn't even have a job.
unidentified
That's true.
I was thinking about his TV show.
Trump's TV show.
owen shroyer
Yeah, the old Apprentice.
unidentified
Yeah, that would work, yeah.
It's going to be a crazy...
Something crazy is going to happen.
They have some tricks up their sleeve, I'm sure.
dan friesen
Does anybody want to be there?
unidentified
This is rough.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
I like it when you don't just negate the premise.
You light it on fire and then forget where it came from.
Oh, from the reality.
Apprentice.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's from the show.
jordan holmes
I got it.
Did you hear my pun about cleaving to the land?
dan friesen
Cleave the land.
jordan holmes
Did you hear that one?
That one's pretty good.
dan friesen
Owen has a feeling that this is going to be something that reminds us of another important debate in history.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
A time when a sloppy Joe Biden comes in against a well-put-together, shining, glowing Trump.
It's very similar to another debate.
Maybe the first ever televised debate.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Now what's fun about this is that Owen doesn't know who was in that debate.
jordan holmes
Really?
unidentified
I forget what the first...
owen shroyer
It's a watershed moment in history.
My God.
Was it Nixon, JFK?
jordan holmes
Nixon and who?
owen shroyer
The crew's in my ear helping me out here.
dan friesen
Yeah, no.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
So, here's a telling thing.
Here's a telling thing, Dan.
This is a telling thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, it is.
jordan holmes
If you remember Nixon, but not who he was debating in the first televised debate, you're a fascist.
At the end, you're a fascist.
dan friesen
I have some questions.
If you also initially don't remember either of them, you probably shouldn't be working at a news and politics show.
jordan holmes
I'm definitely not going to trust your Thomas Jefferson quotes from here on out.
dan friesen
It strikes me as like, that's when Rob Dew should have come and spear tackled him.
Get the fuck out of here.
unidentified
Hey, come on.
jordan holmes
Go back to the Cleveland material.
Come on.
dan friesen
Cleave the land.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
Let's talk about how the Indians is somehow not a racist name.
I don't know.
dan friesen
Take another call from a funny person.
And then shit on their joke.
Except that lady wasn't funny.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Anyway, Owen's got Greg Reese.
InfoWars reporter Greg Reese is on the scene cleaving the land.
jordan holmes
Okay.
We're going to do some more.
dan friesen
This goes about as well as you expect.
owen shroyer
Greg Reese from Cleveland, Ohio, the site of the first presidential debate.
What are you expecting tonight?
unidentified
I think you laid out all the possibilities.
I would like to see cleaved in the land.
That's what I would like to see.
Really?
jordan holmes
This has happened a lot.
unidentified
All right, we're going to have to get reconnected here.
owen shroyer
He's obviously right outside the venue, and they probably have all kinds of stingray, triggerfish technology just destroying and sucking up.
Any and all communication.
I'm sure it's their fault.
So let's get reconnected with Greg.
dan friesen
Probably Triggerfish.
owen shroyer
I've been to these things before, folks.
There's just all kinds of stuff.
Blocking signals and intercepting signals.
jordan holmes
A lot of InfoWars reporters have trouble.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's probably a scalar attack.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with if more than one InfoWars now.
We only have two examples here, Dan, so that's not yet a pattern developed.
Have we ever had any more examples of InfoWars remote people struggling to talk over the phone?
dan friesen
I would say every day.
jordan holmes
Okay, so now I'm going to start going out on a limb and say that that pattern would suggest it is actually the InfoWars people who are at fault here.
dan friesen
Yeah, it does lead you towards that conclusion.
jordan holmes
That's what I would guess.
dan friesen
There's more supporting evidence of that than triggerfish.
jordan holmes
I do like that swing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I love it.
jordan holmes
Probably drones!
dan friesen
Yeah, they're trying to intercept our communication.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I mean, it's better than Alex, who just gets mad and leaves.
jordan holmes
Fuck these people!
I want to get them out of my show!
Anyways, I'll see you guys in an hour.
dan friesen
So he does end up getting Greg on the line, and Triggerfish apparently has stopped working, because they can take the phone call.
jordan holmes
They got around Triggerfish somehow.
dan friesen
Somehow.
Through a miracle.
And this is just two dudes who are like, I really hope this gets cancelled.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
owen shroyer
Yeah, I think, honestly, I'm in agreement.
I think the earpiece will just confuse him.
Plus, with the crowd and the lights and the pressure, I mean, I don't think the earpiece really does him any advantages.
I mean, unless they've been training him on it, maybe.
And they definitely want to drug him up.
That's why they've got to take the breaks, too.
But, hey, look, we've still got two hours in change.
You never know.
Biden may, you know, he may flounder and just cancel.
joe biden
And you think he could get COVID?
unidentified
Who knows?
joe biden
Everyone's got to test for COVID.
jordan holmes
Maybe he tests and he tests positive and it's, you know.
joe biden
National emergency, and they gotta call it off.
jordan holmes
I mean, who knows?
dan friesen
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Who knows?
dan friesen
Just spitballing things we hope happen.
jordan holmes
Maybe he'll get COVID!
Maybe he'll get COVID!
Now, I think it's a hoax, and nobody will ever get hurt by it, but maybe if he does.
dan friesen
No, but they don't want him to actually get COVID.
That would just be his excuse for not doing the debate.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, I gotcha.
dan friesen
Because that would continue their geek is incapable of standing on a stage with Donald John Trump.
jordan holmes
They really don't understand what a debate is, I feel like.
They're hyping it up like they're actually going to fight.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
Alex does, too.
Like, he talks about how, like, he used to watch Tyson fights back when he was a kid.
unidentified
I feel like...
dan friesen
Yeah, this is a mess.
jordan holmes
This is the problem with letting all these right-wing douchebags debate online for so long.
dan friesen
Well, they think that's a debate.
jordan holmes
Well, that's what I'm saying!
Like, they don't understand that what we're supposed to be watching is a very boring conversation about tax policy moving forward.
dan friesen
Slight differences.
jordan holmes
Do you like a progression?
Aggressive tax reform with a certain cap on wealth and income?
dan friesen
It's not supposed to be someone yelling fuck.
jordan holmes
Is it a black tax?
No.
You're a loser.
No, that's not a debate!
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
It's disappointing.
jordan holmes
They're not fighting.
dan friesen
No, but they were.
And I mean, I think that we've not talked a lot about our thoughts about the debate.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Part of that is because we're going to get to that a little bit later.
But if you want a spoiler.
Boo.
jordan holmes
Whatever happened to being like, I have a $2.2 trillion spending plan.
Sir, you're out of your mind.
I have a $1.8 trillion spending plan.
I enjoyed those debates.
Those were actually kind of interesting.
But I'm a policy walkdown.
dan friesen
It should be boring as hell.
jordan holmes
It should be very boring.
dan friesen
Everything should be McNeil-Layer-ass.
Yeah, exactly.
Come on.
Anyway, speaking of things that are boring, Owen.
Doing this was a disaster.
It was so hard to get through.
And thankfully, about an hour in or so, Alex shows up and we start to get back into business.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
We are two hours out from reality setting in.
Donald Trump, 74. Joe Biden, 78. Joe Biden clearly has had multiple strokes on record.
They're not debated.
He's having onset of serious dementia and Alzheimer's.
Delirium.
You're going to see something never before done.
No one's ever run for office at this level like this.
No one's ever been on a national television stage with a competent person like this.
And no one has ever stood up against Donald John Trump like this.
dan friesen
So, Alex is really on that tip.
This is a real clear articulation of the way Alex has presented Joe Biden in the months prior to the audience.
If you're somebody who listens to Alex and takes him seriously, you have every reason to think, like...
Biden's gonna come out there drooling.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
He's gonna call, like, Trump mommy or something.
It's gonna be a mess.
That's the Biden that exists in the minds of an info world.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm confused as to why they aren't doing preemptive damage control.
Like, I would have gone heavy on the drugs thing, because that's the only way to explain that you obviously know you've been full of shit this entire time.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, you look like you believe what...
Bullshit you're selling.
And he's going to go on stage in an hour and prove that he's fine.
dan friesen
There's the earpiece that gets around him knowing something.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
There's the amphetamines and all that that gets around the, like, well, he's usually mentally so slow and all this.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And then Alex has a third thing that comes up later that's just remarkable.
But I notice that Alex seems a little slow.
He's probably drunk.
jordan holmes
He should do performance enhancing drugs.
dan friesen
He might later.
This takes a really weird turn.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Alright.
So does he do a little speed?
dan friesen
We'll see.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, uh...
Alex, one of his complaints is that Biden's a liar, right?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Because he said that millions of people died of COVID-19.
Sure, sure.
When in reality, that clip that Alex played, he cuts it off right where Biden corrects himself.
Right.
Because he had misspoken, whereas Alex pretends that he actually said that millions died.
alex jones
Just remember that you can't believe a damn thing comes out of these people.
I mean, Biden just said last week 200 million Americans.
That's 60% of the population plus.
Died of COVID-19.
It wasn't even one half of one percent.
It wasn't one tenth of one percent.
You lying flathrag.
dan friesen
Now, that was the first thing that I heard through this entire time that was interesting to me.
jordan holmes
Flathrag?
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
What is a flathrag?
dan friesen
Where do you think it is?
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
dan friesen
Where do you think that term might come from?
unidentified
Flath.
dan friesen
Maybe Tolkien?
jordan holmes
Flath?
dan friesen
Maybe something from Ender's Game or Childhood's End?
Something else that says end?
jordan holmes
A painting?
dan friesen
Flathrags from a painting?
jordan holmes
Sure, why not?
No, no, not a painting.
Like, people who paint, they wipe off their excess paint with a flathrag.
dan friesen
You think it's like maybe an Elizabethan or Renaissance term?
jordan holmes
I want to say it's actually very banal.
dan friesen
It's from Coneheads.
unidentified
What a nerd!
jordan holmes
That's the only thing that I respect about him is sometimes something will come through where it's like...
You and I are nerds, man.
Don't tell me that you don't even like Star Wars if you're going to drop flath rag.
You fucking love Star Wars.
You like cone heads, which no one appreciates now.
dan friesen
It's what the dad calls the daughter when he's saying that she's dressed too promiscuously.
Calls her a flath rag.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Calls her a flath rag on payday.
jordan holmes
So Aykroyd is tossing out some flath rag.
unidentified
Yep.
Okay.
dan friesen
That's the...
What do you call it?
Etymology of that term.
So I think Alex and the kids might watch Coneheads.
jordan holmes
It is on Netflix.
I appreciate it.
I haven't watched it since way back when.
I liked it in the 90s.
dan friesen
I mean, I'm not mad at somebody liking it.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
I think it's silly for Alex to call Biden a flath rag.
jordan holmes
I think it's 100% silly for Alex to call Biden a flath rag.
dan friesen
His mind is trying to come up with some kind of an insult that sounds interesting and when he comes up with his flath rag.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's not great.
jordan holmes
Man, that's a good reference for me.
That would be like, I like that, that's an obscure reference, it's a little esoteric, and it has a fun-sounding name to it.
I would use that in a bit if I could pull it off.
dan friesen
Yeah, in a bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it doesn't belong here.
dan friesen
No, no.
That's my point.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is talking about the eventuality or the possibility that Trump could lose the election, and if so, blood in the streets, baby.
alex jones
All of us, we kind of get caught up.
Being on air so much and listening and watching myself to other shows, we have so much info now that we kind of just take it for granted where we're at, ladies and gentlemen.
Because, you know, if you've got $100 on the fight and your fighter loses, that's $100 you lost.
You've got $100, $200 on the football game, you lose that.
That's a loss on this game.
Or baseball or whatever it is.
jordan holmes
That's true.
alex jones
We lose this, man.
We've got to go to Civil War.
Excuse me, blood in the streets.
jordan holmes
I don't think you do.
alex jones
Because you've already got set up.
dan friesen
So, you know, it's explicit that if you lose the election, blood in the streets, civil war.
And they've also set up the precondition that it's impossible to have a fair election.
So they're basically just saying, like, civil war is going to start this winter.
jordan holmes
Just start a civil war.
I'm bored with them now.
dan friesen
I'm bored with the- Well, I don't want a civil war to start, but I would like them to stop with this teasing.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Totally.
This is nonsensical and frustrating.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would prefer that they just shut up, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
I'm annoyed with you edging me at a civil war.
Like, look.
You've already said that there's no possible way he's going to lose, which means you already know he's going to lose.
You've already said if he loses that the election was stolen, which means you know he's going to lose in a free election.
dan friesen
Most likely.
jordan holmes
So just start a civil war.
I'm bored.
I'm bored!
dan friesen
I think that I don't want anyone to get hurt, and I think that the possibilities of what that looks like in the real world is like...
You know, possibly lone wolf type appearing actors.
jordan holmes
I don't actually want a civil war.
dan friesen
Right.
I would like this season to end.
You know, like this arc.
This storyline.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Whatever it is, this building of intensity towards this fantasized civil war, I would like for this chapter to end.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I don't want it to come to fruition where there's an attempt or an actual start.
jordan holmes
Totally not.
dan friesen
I would just like for Alex to move on to the next part where he's back to selling gold or whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, this is annoying.
jordan holmes
I'm bored with it, yes.
dan friesen
Bored, tinged with scared.
jordan holmes
I'm terrified.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
I'm absolutely terrified.
Especially since later on in the debate, Trump said that it's cool to kill us.
dan friesen
Well, we'll get to that.
jordan holmes
I'm not cool with that.
dan friesen
Alex might...
His response to that's weird.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
I'm interested now.
dan friesen
So, how much money you think old Donald Trump got?
jordan holmes
From what?
dan friesen
Total.
All day.
jordan holmes
I mean, net or gross?
dan friesen
Dealer's choice.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with net negative several hundred million dollars.
dan friesen
Okay.
What about gross?
jordan holmes
About $15.
dan friesen
Dollars?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay.
That's interesting.
Alex has a slightly different figure.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
This isn't about worshiping Donald Trump.
It's about worshiping the truth.
Donald Trump came into office with $12 billion.
And every estimate is he's got $8 billion.
That's four.
Billion dollars he lost in four years while they shut his ass down.
And Trump's never been happier.
He says, I did this as a debt to America.
I've taken this fight on.
I don't care about the money.
The money was only about defeating this corrupt system.
jordan holmes
Do not remember him saying that.
alex jones
And rebooting it and bringing it back to the American people.
And that's real power.
dan friesen
That's a real power, man.
jordan holmes
I would like audio of him saying that, since I already have audio of him admitting to killing hundreds of thousands of people.
dan friesen
Obviously, all that is total nonsense, but I think at the end there, Alex is saying something that I find very interesting.
He's talking about how Trump doesn't care about the money.
The money is always about just fueling this fight against the corrupt system of the globalists.
That's comically not true, but it's exactly what Alex says about himself when he's trying to sell his dumb pills and food buckets.
jordan holmes
Ah, that's true.
dan friesen
When Alex needs to push the audience to buy a product, he constantly repeats how he doesn't want money.
He doesn't actually even like money.
Just fuel to fight the globalists.
jordan holmes
Now, in ten minutes, he is going to say that without money, which he loves very dearly, he won't be able to...
dan friesen
He hates the money, he just needs it to fight the globalists.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but he loves money.
dan friesen
Well, because he loves fuel to fight the globalists.
jordan holmes
I'm...
dan friesen
So what's going on here is that Alex is desperate to sell, but in this case, the product is Donald Trump.
In order to pitch supporting this completely unacceptable, clearly aspiring dictator, Alex needs to dress him up in the costume of Alex Jones' own idealized self.
His vision of himself as being like, he doesn't care about the money, it's just about fighting the globalists.
That's the fictional, ideal, heroic version of Alex that he sells to the audience when he needs money, and he's just...
He's transmuting that onto Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a...
Man, that's even more narcissistic.
Like, that is so narcissistic that it's him saying, like, to his audience, you need to vote for him because he's me.
dan friesen
Well, he's the version of me that I tell you about when I want you to feel good about me.
jordan holmes
Exactly, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, okay, wow.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's silly.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
But, I mean, you know, you got that.
Guy who's worth $8 billion but doesn't care about money, he just wants to fight the globalists.
Or, in the other corner, guy who's so evil.
So evil that if Satan told him to, he'd press a button and destroy the world.
alex jones
But if Joe Biden would follow that satanic order to hit that red button and blow the whole planet up so fast, it'll make your head spin.
Because he is a puppet.
dan friesen
Me puppet, you puppet.
alex jones
So I'll tell you again, everybody better stop laughing.
You're not looking at people that can't talk and people that look like they're dead for an accident.
Every damn one of them looks like a zombie because they are.
There's not one ounce of God in them.
They are devoid.
The Holy Spirit is gone.
They are completely and totally turned over to the devil.
dan friesen
So, at this point, I was thinking that Alex was drunk.
You know, like, he has a lot of the fairly common drunk tone to him.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
He's a little bit slow, and then also just kind of, like, gets into these weird...
Like, his brain works in a slightly different way.
There's a lot of tangentialness to it.
And this is where I...
This next clip is where I kind of really decided, like...
jordan holmes
It's a yes.
dan friesen
This dude's drunk.
alex jones
I've spent a few minutes talking about how evil the enemy is.
Let's spend a few minutes talking about how great you are.
jordan holmes
How great your parents were.
alex jones
How great their parents were.
They had red blood and they loved you and they stood up and they worked hard.
They went through a lot of adversity and they built this country and they built this world and they built all the science and technology we have.
And they busted their ass with loving care to bring us to where we are right now.
Okay.
unidentified
So whereas we know the enemy.
alex jones
Okay.
What about our ancestors who didn't fall to the enemy?
And those...
Billions of souls waiting for us on the other side who already are with God and who have one overriding wish is that we be with them forever.
And then you realize, don't fear the enemy that can take your money, take your house, take your life.
Worry about the person that can take your soul.
Now we're 17 minutes in and I'm done preaching at that point.
So let's talk cold turkey.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Let's talk the cold hard facts of this.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
alex jones
Joe Biden's gonna be drugged up.
Joe Biden's gonna have an earpiece in.
dan friesen
Okay.
Yeah.
alex jones
It's confirmed.
dan friesen
It's confirmed.
It's all confirmed.
The almost fucking crying talking about your ancestors is a very, very traditional drunk Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
When we get into ancestors, you're drunk and we're about to have fun.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's not as fun as other times in the past.
Like, I'll just spoil this.
There's no hatchet throwing.
jordan holmes
Oh, that sucks.
dan friesen
But he's clearly, like, impaired in some way.
So he's talking about the ancestors, right?
You know, like, he gets off that topic, jumps and talks about how Biden's going to be drugged up.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he's like, yeah, I felt good talking about ancestors.
I'm going to do a little more of it.
jordan holmes
Well, he just said he wasn't going to do any more of it.
dan friesen
Well, you got to do a little more of it.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's surprising.
alex jones
You know, that's what makes it about this.
You know.
We've saved this country so many times, us and our ancestors.
We've been through this so much together.
unidentified
You fought on the Confederacy.
jordan holmes
Was that saying?
alex jones
Because every time we save the Republic from these pieces of filth, from the Chris Wallace's of the world.
unidentified
Your Confederate loyalty or royalty.
alex jones
It just makes it more precious, doesn't it?
But the enemy gets closer and closer and closer to seeing it all.
You know, I knew a famous writer.
Kurt Vonnegut.
dan friesen
Wait, what?
jordan holmes
What?
Hold on.
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
This dude's drunk.
jordan holmes
Was the Cat's Cradle about Alex Jones?
dan friesen
According to Alex.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Yeah, he...
The story isn't very interesting.
Alex says that Kurt Vonnegut used to call in and would have been on the show, but he thought himself too old to be on Alex's show.
Big fan of InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Kurt Vonnegut.
dan friesen
Kurt Vonnegut.
jordan holmes
Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
dan friesen
The author, yes.
The one who wrote Slaughterhouse-Five.
jordan holmes
The one who wrote books.
dan friesen
That's the one.
jordan holmes
Very insightful, intelligent, brilliant speaker.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
A good author.
Beloved by guys who are not as interesting to talk to as you would hope.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
He's the one who loved InfoWars.
dan friesen
Loved it.
jordan holmes
All right.
The guy who wrote A Man Without a Country, entirely around how awful George W. Bush was.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
And how disgusting.
dan friesen
And someone who died before Alex was, like, really huge.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He was big.
Like, Alex was a big 9-11 truther.
Sure.
Towards the end of Vonnegut's life.
Sure, sure, sure.
In terms of when Alex struck it big, Vonnegut was dead by then.
But I don't know, man.
Weirder things have happened.
It's possible that maybe Alex did talk to Kurt Vonnegut at some point, but the story is pretty boring.
Anyway, the reason that I kept that clip in is because you're really seeing this tangential thinking that he's going down like, our ancestors have saved this country so many times and it's so delicious.
I knew Kurt Von.
Did I ever tell you about that, kids?
jordan holmes
Do you know what?
As somebody who's described himself as Confederate royalty, I have saved this republic many times.
dan friesen
So many times.
jordan holmes
And also, I'm probably Norman Mailer.
I don't know.
Why not?
Let's throw that in there.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, this is supposed to be the debate pre-show, talking about, like, you would think, you'd be like, well, Trump favors tariffs, whereas...
You'd think maybe, but...
jordan holmes
They do not know what a debate is supposed to be.
dan friesen
No, it's our ancestors saved the country.
I'm at the brink of tears talking about how great they are.
I know Kurt Vonnegut.
And then this nonsense.
alex jones
And I stand firmly historically in the line of saying no to royalty and no to corporate royalty and no to communism and no to centralized systems.
And I pledge my mind, my soul, my heart, my commitment, my blood, my treasure, my full capacity, my full resources, my full agency towards resistance to all that is fake and all that is false.
jordan holmes
Do you?
unidentified
And in that pledge, I sinned.
jordan holmes
What is going on?
dan friesen
What is this?
Nonsense.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Total nonsense.
jordan holmes
We've been hearing from the campaign that Trump is going to come out and he's going to be really forceful on immigration and law and order stuff.
And Biden is going to try and hit him on the...
Also, when you devote your life to everything, you ascend.
dan friesen
I am in the tradition of rejecting kings, and now granted...
My employee just posted a picture of herself with a t-shirt that she's selling that says Trump is my king.
jordan holmes
Well, there's that.
dan friesen
But hey, who knows?
jordan holmes
I've always fought against kings.
dan friesen
So Biden is a husk.
He's a soulless husk who works with the devil and would press that button.
He would press that button.
jordan holmes
He would totally do that, even though Alex said he probably would also press that button and people deserve it.
dan friesen
But only if it's directed at different people.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's fair.
dan friesen
But the thing is, the Democrats, the globalists, They're running Biden against someone as strong and as powerful as Trump because that in and of itself is ritualistic.
alex jones
The arrogance, the false aplomb, the delusion of grandeur that they would field a reanimated corpse against President Trump.
But then you realize the enemy is about destroying humanity.
The enemy is about having slaves.
And so the enemy doesn't want to field something real that you could be inspired by.
It wants to field something that's an empty husk and have the media gang up on it and push that dead body against a real man and have that dead body win, which is a purely satanic exercise.
And so when you realize it's not incompetence, but a satanic ritual to put that corpse up against Trump, now you understand the secrets of the enemy.
jordan holmes
Do I?
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
I just don't know.
In the same way that a lot of people who were covering the debate were kind of at a loss for words, I think a lot of people on news channels or people who are professionals...
Sure.
Not weird.
Probably, you know, they looked at that and were like, well, what the fuck?
I don't know what to do with this.
This is not good.
I kind of feel similarly about this.
Like, I don't know.
What do you want to say?
jordan holmes
I like when he finishes a sentence and then makes the exact same noise I do at the end of that sentence, which is just...
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
Yep.
So I just think his brain isn't really tracking all that well at this beginning point of his shift.
And I can tell that one of his main objectives, though, is like, Chris Wallace has gotta go down.
The moderator of the debate has to be preemptively presented as not only evil, but perhaps the most evil.
Right.
alex jones
Wallace is really the celebrated turd of the planet.
I mean, his father must be rolling over in his grave.
His father was a 60 Minutes propagandist himself, but clearly the head is rotting from the top with Mr. Wallace.
I guess it's the son of Mike Wallace, Chris Wallace.
So that's coming up tonight.
We've seen so much bizarre garbage.
You know, one of the guys that hosted one of the debates four years ago was Lester Holt.
Lester Holt went on TV and said, Alex Jones said, kill the media, murder the media, go kill people.
He didn't show a clip.
He just said that.
That was about three years ago.
And I sat there and I watched that.
And I knew mainstream media was dead, but that was the tombstone being placed over it.
So these guys will do anything.
The toll free number to join us on this live Tuesday evening, September 29th.
dan friesen
What's even happening?
jordan holmes
What is going on?
What are we doing?
dan friesen
Okay, so Chris Wallace sucks.
He's the son of Mike Wallace.
He's the worst.
You know, four years ago, Lester Holt did a debate, and then later he said that I said kill the media, and that's when the tombstone was placed on the media.
jordan holmes
Anyways, give me a call at 1-800.
dan friesen
The path through that from just like A to B to C is very strange.
So he does take some calls, and a lot of it is like, what should Trump do?
And Alex has a really clear idea of what it, and it's basically just beat the shit out of him.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That's what Alex wants to see.
And he's talking to a caller here who has a slightly different idea about what these debates are supposed to be about.
alex jones
I think Trump should say, look at you, Joe.
You can't even talk.
You're emblematic of the rotting party you represent.
jordan holmes
I would like to hear him say emblematic as well.
unidentified
Yeah, but what is the Democratic Party debate policy?
carlos in canada
This is what people are going to vote for.
They want to hear what the Democratic Party has to offer.
Not to see who wins the debate, but to see what are the policies behind this man.
jordan holmes
This guy's a sweet person.
alex jones
Carlos, anything else you want to add?
unidentified
Have a good evening.
dan friesen
That pause leads me to believe that Alex, it's a foreign concept to him, that this should be about their ideas about various policies.
Like, nope.
Just want to see a fight.
jordan holmes
Anything else you gotta add?
Alright, well then, goodbye.
dan friesen
Well, Carlos is a long-time caller.
He calls in all the fucking time.
And I will say, he's wrong about a lot of stuff, and I think a lot of the things he says are stupid.
Sure.
But...
In terms of people who are in the Infowars sphere, he does sometimes bring up stuff like that.
Much more than other callers will come in with something like, hey, people are going to be voting for the policies, not who wins a fight.
And Alex usually...
Has no response.
jordan holmes
I don't always...
I don't know if I've ever felt this way before, but this is the first time I've listened to a caller on Infowars and thought, oh, that's cute.
Look at you.
dan friesen
If I played the rest of his call, you might not think that.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, I'm sure.
dan friesen
So, finally, we get a little bit of a sense of what Alex's thoughts are about the New York Times story about Trump's taxes.
And it's an interesting response.
alex jones
All I care about is he's pro-American.
He, 40 years ago, was against Nafton Gap before they passed it.
When they were first proposing it 35 years ago.
And we know that if you're in real estate, you better run at break even or you die on the property taxes.
And he, of course, he has billions in assets, but not a lot of profit.
So what?
He's pro-America.
dan friesen
It's pretty disappointing to hear...
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex's defense for the whole story about the taxes seems to be, so what?
Like, Alex is just hand-waving away the idea that someone could be a billionaire but pay essentially nothing back to the country that he supposedly loves so much.
Alex is super lucky that his audience is full of complete dullards, or else they would probably have to worry about how one of Alex's big problems with the globalists is that international
businesses hide their assets overseas that's probably avoid paying taxes if i were alex i would try to come up with something better than that's what people in business do considering all the time that he spent yelling about how bezos and tim cook don't pay taxes and that's evil this guy isn't even trying anymore and honestly i feel a melange of feelings when i listen to something like that obviously the first element is disgust and alex's behavior is his proof pretty gross.
Yeah.
unidentified
And then close behind that is pity for what it must be like to be lowered to the level of just spinning whatever outrageous thing your god king does, regardless of how much of your hard-fought career you have to contradict in the process.
dan friesen
It's really shameful.
jordan holmes
Tell me you love my country, and then tell me that you contribute nothing to it.
Okay, those two things can't happen at the same time.
dan friesen
It's tough.
And, you know, there's that element of it, but the element that I'm talking about more is the Alex element.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, for sure, for sure.
dan friesen
I, like, there's not even, like, listen to this.
Listen to this.
This is some of his defense about dodging taxes.
alex jones
And I'm not just defending Trump.
I know how this works, folks.
They're like, oh, his dad, the last 20 years of his life for their four kids, kept putting money in trust.
How do you think you get around paying the death tax?
dan friesen
Like, his defense about accusations that someone was dodging the death tax is that's how you don't pay the death tax.
That is not even trying.
That's internally contradictory.
Like, oh, yeah, the complaint is you didn't pay that tax.
And the response is, Of course, that's how I get around not paying that tax.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's, it's just, it's hammer over the head kind of stuff.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, there is, I will admit that there is a, or at least I've found, and I don't know if you have seen the same thing, there's a certain amount of sport that most people take in, like, trying not to pay all of their taxes.
You know, like...
I'm going to...
Oh, no, no, no.
I will pay my taxes.
But I'm going to try and shave a little bit off, and if you guys catch me, you know what you catch me.
But we're going to play this game.
It's part of the American experience.
dan friesen
I know that I've heard a lot of people talk about taking business meetings at places to write off.
jordan holmes
I've heard that before.
Yeah, you do that, but not to be a dick.
dan friesen
Well, you do if you're the president who loves the country and is trying to save it.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's fair.
dan friesen
So I noticed a shift in Alex.
jordan holmes
Maybe...
dan friesen
Maybe half an hour, 40 minutes into his pre-debate behavior.
See if you can notice a shift.
alex jones
Man, I'm fired up.
Sorry, I'm a little fired up here, but we are now 53 minutes out.
jordan holmes
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
alex jones
Let's keep taking calls at 877-789-2539 or 512-646-1776.
Sorry, I'm saying too fast.
512-646-1776.
I say it too slow, think I'm drunk in the control room.
512-646-1776 or 877-789-2539.
Alright, let's go ahead and take another call here.
Who's been home the longest?
Let's go ahead and talk to Tyson!
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
In Kansas, you're on the air, Tyson.
dan friesen
It's completely different.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
He is...
jordan holmes
Wow.
That is a person trying to act like they are not on speed.
dan friesen
Oh, man, he's just fired up.
alex jones
In Kansas, you're on the air, Tyson.
jordan holmes
How's it going, Alex?
unidentified
Man, I'm fired up.
alex jones
Sorry I'm so fired up talking too quick.
I'm almost like that auctioneer when...
What was her name was up there.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
Fired up.
jordan holmes
You cannot be serious.
You cannot be serious with me.
dan friesen
I'm so fired up, man.
What?
What's the problem?
jordan holmes
Fired up.
They accuse people of doing the drugs.
dan friesen
Fired up.
jordan holmes
And that's fine.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I'm good with that.
But that's brazen.
That's too much.
dan friesen
No, I don't know.
jordan holmes
That's too much.
dan friesen
I think he's acting totally normally.
alex jones
Election countdown, seven to nine, which is obviously preempted night right through live.
With this coverage through the debate, that is going to be 8 to 9.30 p.m. Central Standard Time, 9 to 10.30 p.m. Eastern Time.
That, again, will be 7 to 9.30 p.m. Mountain.
Of course, it will be 6 right through to 7.30 Pacific coming up tonight.
And the whole thing will be archived at InfoWars.com and at Ban.Video.
Sorry I'm so fired up.
I just sped up here.
Okay, let's go ahead.
They were telling us a little slow earlier.
I'll speed up really fast for everybody.
dan friesen
So I think there's two possibilities.
One, he did do some sort of a stimulant or something.
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
But I think that's not as likely as, like, he's just drunk.
And someone in the booth told him, like, pick it up, man.
Like, he was doing that stuff where he's crying about ancestors and shit.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
And someone was just like, hey, man.
jordan holmes
Snap out of it.
dan friesen
Yeah, and then this is like passive-aggressive Alex overdoing it the other direction.
jordan holmes
Okay, I can see that.
dan friesen
That's my theory.
jordan holmes
I could definitely see that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It is just very stark.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a completely different type.
jordan holmes
Kind of terrifyingly stark, yeah.
alex jones
It's gonna be one hell of a transmission.
Yeah!
The system is counting on us not being awake, not being engaged, not being informed, rolling over, dying, being zombies.
But we're not.
We're awake.
We're focused.
We're taking action.
And we're taking the country back.
It's an incredible time to be alive.
Stay with us.
We'll be right back.
dan friesen
Or he might be on cocaine.
jordan holmes
Or he might be a little bit.
dan friesen
Yeah, one of the two.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one, I'm not saying.
It's weird.
I'm not saying he's taking drugs.
But I am saying I have known a large number of people who have talked exactly like that immediately following going to the bathroom.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I have spent enough time around people who do blow to...
I think that there is a possibility.
I can't say with any certainty.
What the conclusion is.
But I can tell you that the experience of listening to this is like, wow, that's different.
Your behavior totally changed.
Interesting.
So Deanna Lorraine comes in to do some time with Alex.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And she has some high hopes for the debate.
deanna lorraine
I woke up this morning like a kid on Christmas.
When is it going to be?
When am I going to unwrap my presents?
And I feel like tonight we're unwrapping these presents.
We don't know exactly what's going to happen.
I think there's going to be some surprises and some crazy curveballs.
alex jones
Remember when he said to Hillary, you need to be arrested?
I mean, all that.
deanna lorraine
I know.
I hope that he is loaded with these one-liners and these quips and these witty comebacks.
dan friesen
I hope we get one-liners and zingers.
jordan holmes
Y 'all are insane.
Y 'all are insane.
This is not a roast battle.
This is not a roast battle.
If it was a roast battle, they would at least hopefully have hired...
I heard some of my friends who are all out of work comics.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's...
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
I mean, I didn't hear her coming in saying I'm very excited for the enumeration of policies or I'm interested to hear about...
You know, the next steps with COVID.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
No, it's I hope he has some good burns.
I hope he has some sick zingers.
jordan holmes
I would like my president to own the libs and nothing else.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Wow.
That's really sad.
jordan holmes
This is really sad.
dan friesen
Oh, it gets sadder.
So they take some calls and listen to this person.
unidentified
Good night.
I would like us all to pray together right now.
alex jones
Oh, my God.
This morning, I woke up at like 5 a.m., I said, what do I do first?
And I always forget.
I said, we should all pray for President Trump up front.
I totally agree with you.
My gosh, 30 minutes out, we should do it.
You want to say a prayer, Kurt?
unidentified
I do.
You know, I've been wanting to call in for years and years and years, and I've always said, oh, I don't know.
But tonight, I felt that fire within me to call in, not to talk about anything else, but just to pray.
So let's pray.
dan friesen
So, it's time to pray.
jordan holmes
Ooh, it is literally time to pray, huh?
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
Dear Lord Jesus Christ, we thank you.
We thank you for this day.
We thank you for each other.
We thank you for the shared fire, the shared spirit that you've given us, and the sacrifice you made on the cross.
dan friesen
So the last time someone called in and did an extended prayer, I brought it up, but I didn't play any clips either.
And now I'm getting to a point where, like, this is happening a bit.
jordan holmes
This is too much.
dan friesen
There are just people praying.
jordan holmes
This is not good.
dan friesen
You kind of have to at least touch it.
alex jones
Don't just pray.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, that's a pretty standard opening to the prayer.
Sure.
I mean, I'm not too worried about it, because, you know, it's a pretty normal prayer you'd hear.
I think it's a little bit weird to imagine it on any other platform.
Like, we're doing a pre-debate coverage, and then someone calls in, and we just have a specific religious...
Ritual.
jordan holmes
Does anyone read the fucking Bible?
Ever.
Ever.
Just ever.
Do you realize what the Bible says about praying in public?
Did none of these people even bother with their holy textbook?
I'm furious with this.
We do this all the time.
Why do I know more about the Bible than people who won't shut up about it?
dan friesen
Childhood drama?
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
Anyway, this prayer goes on.
unidentified
Tonight, above all, Lord Jesus, we pray to you to let you know that we reject Satan, that we reject Satan and his power that has been unleashed on this world today, and we pray tonight that you and your Holy Spirit come down onto this earth and touch I hate that word.
dan friesen
So, I mean, like, the beginning of the prayer was kind of normal, and then it gets into, like, we reject Satan and also please help Trump win this debate.
I don't know.
It seems weird.
So the prayer ends.
It goes on a bit more than this.
But the prayer ends, and Alex's response immediately after is very weird.
alex jones
Every time I'm clear in the morning with God, I'm going to do these things and I don't do it.
Indiana, you're big on praying.
Lead us in prayer for President Trump and America with the Holy Spirit.
unidentified
Really?
alex jones
The enemy doesn't want this.
They don't want us reaching out to God and bringing that in.
They hate this right now.
Pray, go ahead.
Go, go.
dan friesen
Deanna, pray.
jordan holmes
Where are you guys from?
unidentified
It's strange.
jordan holmes
They hate...
No!
dan friesen
Yeah, so this caller...
jordan holmes
This is just creepy.
dan friesen
This caller calls in and does a prayer, and then immediately after, Alex is like, oh, I always mean to do this.
Oh, Deanna, you pray.
jordan holmes
Hey, double down on this prayer.
I don't have the prayer capabilities right now.
dan friesen
He doesn't.
He doesn't pray.
jordan holmes
I'm either drunk or on speed, and I'm fine with both.
dan friesen
He makes Deanna Lorraine, and I mean, his caller clearly volunteered, and Deanna's not...
She's too put out by the idea of praying, but Alex does not join them in this gesture, which is strange.
So this next caller calls in, and she's just overwhelmed by being on the line with Alex and Deanna Lorraine.
And then Alex takes a shot.
unidentified
Oh my goodness, Alex and Deanna Lorraine.
Oh my goodness, am I really alive?
jordan holmes
I know.
alex jones
I'm pretty blown away being on stage with her, too.
I mean, come on.
She's got that Marilyn Monroe pizzazz.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
deanna lorraine
I'm starstruck with Alex every day.
alex jones
Oh, yeah, right.
unidentified
I was not expecting this.
Oh, my goodness.
Thank you so much for taking my call.
deanna lorraine
Yeah, so excited.
Thank you for supporting me.
alex jones
What do you think's going on, Char?
What's coming up?
deanna lorraine
What's happening?
unidentified
Oh, my goodness.
Well, I just wanted to start off by saying I love you guys so much.
My whole family, we love you guys.
alex jones
We love you.
deanna lorraine
We love you.
unidentified
Woo!
deanna lorraine
Yay, Char!
jordan holmes
This is getting suspicious.
deanna lorraine
We love you.
Here's to Char.
unidentified
Thank you so much.
We support you.
jordan holmes
We buy your products.
unidentified
We have...
dan friesen
Here's to Char.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
So, Char is a lady who's calling in, and she brings up that she named one of her kids after Alex.
She named her most...
jordan holmes
What's the kid's name?
dan friesen
Emmerich.
Oh.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Went the wrong direction there.
dan friesen
So Alex is thrilled about this, and he can't really take any of the other stuff she's saying all that seriously.
He wants to know more about her kids.
So he asks the names of the other kids, and mic down for this, because this doesn't quite go the way Alex wants.
alex jones
Char, we don't want to just name your kids that are named Alex.
What are the other awesome children's names?
unidentified
They are...
deanna lorraine
Our oldest is Orin.
unidentified
Orange?
jordan holmes
Orin.
unidentified
Orin.
deanna lorraine
Oh, wow.
unidentified
That's awesome.
alex jones
Orin like Orin.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Yeah, and he wanted me to tell you.
He says hi, and he loves you guys.
alex jones
Orin, we love you, brother.
unidentified
Aw.
alex jones
What's the other one?
unidentified
He's going to appreciate that so much.
Our second is Arian.
Aw.
alex jones
Go ahead.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
unidentified
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
All right.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Our second kid is named KKK.
dan friesen
What's really fun about that is the progression it takes.
Because she's like, our first child's Oren, and Alex is like, oh, like, and he was about to say Oren Hatch.
jordan holmes
Of course he was.
dan friesen
But he realized, like, I don't know if I like Oren Hatch or not.
Is he one of the guys who doesn't like Trump, or was he cool with Trump?
I don't remember.
I haven't complained about him in a while, so I'm just not going to say.
We navigated those waters okay.
That wasn't too bad.
What's the other kid?
jordan holmes
Next kid.
dan friesen
Arian.
jordan holmes
Is the Kool-Aid man here?
Somebody save me.
dan friesen
Alex just makes a weird noise.
He's just like, great.
jordan holmes
Next?
unidentified
Hang up.
dan friesen
Next kid?
jordan holmes
What was the next kid's name?
dan friesen
Silas, I think.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
Yeah.
So that was funny to me.
That was enjoyable.
Because you could tell even Alex was like, your kid's name's Arian.
What the fuck?
jordan holmes
You can't do that.
Lady.
alex jones
Come on.
jordan holmes
Lady.
I'm trying not to...
Be that obvious.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And I'm bad at it.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, Alex takes another call, and this guy's not a caller, really.
alex jones
I remember, you confronted Hillary, too, Brandon.
Tell folks where they found that video.
unidentified
Justanotherchannel.com.
Click on more videos.
It's at the top of my YouTube page.
You'll see me confronting that maggot.
alex jones
You're saying it too quick.
Say it again slowly.
unidentified
Justanotherchannel.com.
alex jones
Justanotherchannel.com.
Pull up.
Justanotherchannel.com.
dan friesen
This isn't a real caller.
This is just another fringe-ass right-wing aspiring media figure who's calling into Alex's show trying to get some clout.
He's posted videos of himself at various Trump rallies and videos apparently explaining that Tom Hanks is a secret pedophile, but also...
He has multiple videos on his page on YouTube where he's being interviewed on Infowars.
He's been on the War Room a bunch.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Looking at this guy's channel, it's super, super clear what sort of message he's probably getting from the content he creates.
For instance, he has a video about how evil Bill Gates is that was released five months ago or so, and it currently has 571 views.
That same month, he apparently interviewed Barnes, a video which has 235 views.
Conversely, a video of him yelling at a Biden rally got him 66,000 views.
A video of him yelling at a Bernie rally got 19,000, and one of him yelling at Hillary got 31,000.
The yelling at Hillary one probably would have gotten more traffic, except that it happened in 2019, and yelling at Hillary wasn't the highest demand product.
Yeah, we're all right.
It's hard to look at this guy's channel and not see pretty clearly how this...
Sure, that interview with Barnes is almost certainly stupid and worthless in terms of substance, but interviewing someone still takes effort.
That's effort that is not rewarded by the audience that this media caters to.
But what is rewarded is when you go out and record yourself disrupting an event that someone you don't like is holding.
This creates a perverse incentive structure where a struggling creator could easily be convinced that trying itself is not worth it because the things that get the most attention are the things that take You know, just being a dick.
You just have to be a big enough dick in just an inappropriate enough situation, and you'll stand out.
That's the economy of the Alex Jones media, and it's pathetic.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But what makes this even more pathetic is this guy with his YouTube channel is calling in here to talk to his obvious role model, the guy who paid people to do in 2016 what he's now doing for free, and Alex has no idea that he's been on The War Room multiple times.
Alex has no idea who this guy is.
He just kind of...
I remember seeing a video of someone yelling at Hillary and Biden, and that to him is the mark of a great American who he'll stop caring about once this call ends.
jordan holmes
Immediately.
dan friesen
It's a bummer.
It's a bummer.
It's very exploitative.
jordan holmes
Yeah, nobody likes each other.
And they say they like each other all the time.
dan friesen
They're great Americans.
jordan holmes
But they just don't care.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
It's hard.
It's hard to be friends with people.
That also requires work.
You have to listen to them.
dan friesen
This guy exists as a person who made this video that Alex vaguely remembers seeing.
Not as someone who's been treated as a guest on Alex's network.
This guy fancies himself a creator in the same sense as fucking Deanna Lorraine.
Yeah, yeah.
He is not.
jordan holmes
Which is a real sad realization.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He is usable when he goes out and he yells at someone Alex wants yelled at.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Until the next time, he will be forgotten.
Anyway, a lot of talk has been done on this pre-debate time about everyone getting these ballots.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
Everyone's getting ballots.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
They're in rivers.
jordan holmes
Everywhere.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
I, too, received one of them mail-in ballots just the other day.
alex jones
Of course, I threw it in the trash.
Everyone's getting one.
It's all Democrat, too.
It's like, oh, to my wife, here's your Democrat ballot.
She's not a Democrat.
She tried to go register as a Republican.
They told her too late two weeks ago.
unidentified
What?
deanna lorraine
And then the ones that they suddenly find are the ones that are just always coming.
alex jones
Oh, it said Democrat.
It came to our house.
deanna lorraine
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
What is a Democrat ballot?
In the general election, everybody gets the same ballot.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't understand what this is.
jordan holmes
A Democrat ballot.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
They got the Democrat.
dan friesen
I'd like to push on this issue a little bit more, but we're out of time.
The debate is starting!
So Alex goes to try to throw it to Chris Wallace, who he hates.
And Deanna does not quite get the throw.
alex jones
Chris Wallace is like the symbol of the most empty, soulless, un-American piece of filth on the web.
deanna lorraine
I know, right?
alex jones
I mean, a lying sack of fake garbage.
deanna lorraine
Trying to be...
alex jones
Who asks a few retarded questions everyone worships him.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
I mean, this guy is the ash heap of history.
Let's go to this piece of un-American filth, this chi-com-worshipping piece of garbage.
Here he is.
deanna lorraine
The worst is that he pretends that he's unbiased.
alex jones
But, I mean, let's just literally go to the enemy of America.
Here he is, a bunch of trash dollars.
dan friesen
Ooh, Deanna did not quite get the way this works.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex was throwing it to...
To audio or other video, does not need you to double down on him not liking Chris Wallace.
jordan holmes
Deanna, you're not ready for the game yet.
dan friesen
Nope.
But it's so clear, like, at the beginning of this, that, like, one of the primary talking points and the way this is going to play out is attacking Chris Wallace.
unidentified
Sure.
I can assure you, none of the questions has been shared in the submission.
alex jones
You're such a disgraceful maggot.
deanna lorraine
Disgusting swamp creature.
alex jones
I mean, he literally hates this country.
When you see, you want to die in a ditch, he'll help you.
I'm not paid for no reason.
He's a TICOM agent.
deanna lorraine
He's a huge swamp.
dan friesen
He's a huge swamp!
jordan holmes
He's a big swamp!
He's a big old swamp!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You get lost in his eyes, by which I mean your feet get stuck in them and you lose your shoes as well.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Jordan, um...
jordan holmes
What's up?
dan friesen
I'll say that...
I was pretty disappointed by the debate as a whole.
Did you watch it?
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Ooh, I'm sorry.
dan friesen
And then I listened to it again through Alex.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's even worse.
That's even worse.
dan friesen
In terms of editing up this episode and getting the clips, I had to relive it.
And it wasn't better the second time.
jordan holmes
Are you sure?
dan friesen
Yeah, very disappointing.
And I think that a lot of people had some analysis of it, some of it productive, some of it not so productive.
I would say that Alex takes the cake for legitimately the worst analysis.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
All right.
I'll take it.
dan friesen
Mic down for this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
His eyes look weird.
joe biden
Well, first of all, thank you for doing this.
I'm looking forward to this Mr. Reagan.
alex jones
I brought his face.
unidentified
No, I'm stopping.
joe biden
Have a right.
Have a say in who the Supreme Court nominee is.
That say occurs when they vote for a United States Senator.
unidentified
That's...
jordan holmes
I disagree with you!
joe biden
Unbelievable.
jordan holmes
That is the highest level of insight that you could get from that debate.
I agree with him wholeheartedly.
If you just did that through the entire debate, same thing.
Same thing.
unidentified
Just...
Just fart noise.
I don't think he's interested in his tax plan, Dan.
No.
jordan holmes
I just don't think so.
dan friesen
Yeah, when that happened, that's right at the beginning of the debate.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And I was just like, oh no.
This is where we're going.
Okay.
And what makes it worse is that earlier, Alex had said, during the debate, I'm going to chime in as little as possible.
Maybe I'll make some fart noises.
joe biden
Sure.
dan friesen
I thought that was not a plan as much as it was a joke.
jordan holmes
Fart noises.
dan friesen
And that's why I didn't cut that clip out when I was going through it.
And then he made fart noises, and I was like, oh, you were serious earlier.
jordan holmes
You were like, well, there's no need to pay attention to that.
I'll never need that information ever again.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
But, turns out, you do.
joe biden
Whoa!
alex jones
Dude, his eyes are pure black.
Have you ever seen something like that?
deanna lorraine
And look how puffy his face is, too.
alex jones
It's not right.
joe biden
What's at stake here?
The president's made it clear.
alex jones
You know Trump has the intel.
Stop interrupting him.
Stop interrupting him.
Stop interrupting Mr. Methamphetamine, sorry.
joe biden
He's in the Supreme Court right now trying to get rid of the Affordable Care Act.
Which will strip 20 million people.
dan friesen
The bit's too good.
jordan holmes
Look, I had my fun and now I'm over with it.
You get one time with fart noises and then after that it's played out.
dan friesen
You lose.
Alex keeps going.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I think he realizes pretty quickly that Biden is performing at a level that is way out of sync with what he has built up in his audience as their expectation.
And so, you know, that is something that needs to be addressed a little bit.
And maybe methamphetamines as well.
Sure.
But there's also, like, something else about Biden.
He seems more alive than you've formerly said that he is.
jordan holmes
Didn't he not know that?
Only an idiot would not know that you were lying about that, and that Biden would just look fine.
dan friesen
Well, Alex, you know, he said that he would look like a desiccated corpse, basically.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and he looked fine.
dan friesen
Well, you know why he did?
unidentified
Why?
alex jones
If you're noticing he looks plumper.
He's probably had about ten bags of blood.
No, this is blood trafficking.
He's plumping.
He's on blood.
I'm not just saying that.
He's probably got five bags of blood.
unidentified
He's plumping.
alex jones
He's on blood!
He's had a little blood meal.
jordan holmes
He's on blood, Dan!
He's plumping.
He's plumping.
Is that a thing?
dan friesen
Yeah, of course.
You don't know about plumping?
jordan holmes
I've never heard of plumping.
I've never been high on blood before, Dan.
dan friesen
Look at Grandpa Jordan over here.
Doesn't know about plumping.
jordan holmes
If I understand correctly.
dan friesen
Technically, I'm on blood right now.
jordan holmes
Alex's point is that what happened is Joe Biden was pumped full of more blood than is necessary for a human being to survive.
dan friesen
Ten bags.
Five ten bags of blood.
unidentified
Lots of blood.
Is he fucking bleeding out his eyes?
jordan holmes
He's got too much blood.
You can have too much blood.
You can only fit so much blood.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And that's a heavy transfusion if you were to get five to ten bags of blood.
That is a lot.
I would say dangerous.
jordan holmes
I would say so too.
Probably.
dan friesen
Or recreational plumping.
jordan holmes
I mean, now I kind of want to see how it feels.
dan friesen
I don't.
jordan holmes
I mean, not too much.
Look, if you're going to try plumping, definitely get the consent of your doctor.
dan friesen
Sure.
So this becomes like Alex's new thing.
He's on that blood.
jordan holmes
Plumping is now the thing.
Okay.
alex jones
Blood bag Biden.
deanna lorraine
Look at that plump, smooth face.
alex jones
He's plumped up.
He's got about five bags of blood.
deanna lorraine
Super plump.
alex jones
He's plumping the blood.
joe biden
Do not wipe any.
And one of the big debates we have with 23 of my colleagues.
alex jones
It just plumps you up.
unidentified
Probably baby blood.
dan friesen
Yeah, okay.
I do enjoy this.
Deanna trying to be like a person having a conversation.
Like, what does it do?
jordan holmes
It just plumps you up.
dan friesen
It just plumps you up.
jordan holmes
Deanna, how dare you apply basic human curiosity to a man who has no interest?
dan friesen
Just dump a bucket of blood in you.
A bucket of baby blood.
jordan holmes
You know, this is the type of thing that should have made it very obvious to everybody why, well in advance, like, of course the debates were going to be a shit show, but that's because Alex is basically acting the same way that Trump always does.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
They act the exact same way.
So why in God's name would in a debate Trump not be like, You're full of blood.
You're pumping.
Look at you.
Hey, my tax plan is about...
You're full of blood.
You're pumping full of blood.
Look at him at Chris Wallace.
unidentified
Shut him up.
jordan holmes
He's got too much blood.
dan friesen
Chris Wallace, you're on blood.
jordan holmes
You got blood.
You all got blood.
unidentified
You can't handle the blood.
dan friesen
Neighbors.
Sorry.
unidentified
It's a little silly.
dan friesen
Look, point is, dude's on blood.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I'll tell you the big takeaway.
Normally, Biden can't even talk.
I watch his speeches.
It's not just gaffes we clip out.
He has definitely had blood transfusions and drugs.
He's all plumped up.
He's still not a good speaker, but he's definitely different, Deanna Lorraine.
deanna lorraine
Oh, yeah, 100%.
Look at him.
dan friesen
Whenever Alex says something like, I watch his speeches, not just the gaffes that we cut out, that is a tell that he just watches the gaffes that one of his interns cuts out.
But he's on blood.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's...
dan friesen
He's on the blood, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's always his talent.
I'm not bragging.
I watch the full videos, not just the clips.
Like, yeah, you know.
dan friesen
So what I thought was really interesting here is that after a little while...
Alex and Deanna actually shut up, and they stop interrupting the debate, which completely threw me off.
I watched the Hillary-Trump debates on Infowars with my boy Far Out, and Alex was pretty chatty whenever Hillary was talking in order to make sure the audience didn't get a different opinion of her than the curated caricature that he's painted.
In this instance, I was really shocked that Alex actually stopped talking while Biden was on stage and speaking.
I can't tell what that was, whether he's just drunk and confused, Or maybe he didn't feel the need to interrupt because he became confident at a certain point that Trump would do it for him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I have my literal avatar on stage.
I'm riffing a movie that MST3K is currently riffing at the same time.
dan friesen
It's redundant.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it was strange because there's long stretches where no one's saying anything and it's just the debate.
And I didn't tune into InfoWars for that.
I want to hear about Plumping.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a little disconcerting, actually.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's a horror movie.
dan friesen
So, that's what Alex wants.
That's what he wants to see from his candidate.
Don't even treat the questions as if they were asked.
Just yell and attack.
So, cool.
Anyway, that does sort of happen, eventually.
And this is the first, like, real outburst from Deanna and Alex.
unidentified
Vice President Biden, you are holding much smaller events.
donald j trump
Because nobody will show up.
unidentified
People with Matt.
Nobody shows up.
Great.
alex jones
Cue that up.
donald j trump
Perfect.
dan friesen
Cue that up.
We're going to use that.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's kind of sad.
jordan holmes
All right.
So we have infrastructure issues to talk about.
We could deal with, I don't know, the largest crisis that any of us have ever faced.
We could talk about that.
dan friesen
Dude, in the 2016 debates in the Republican primary, Trump talked about having a big dick.
Like, we're done.
jordan holmes
We are done.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
unidentified
Oh, well.
jordan holmes
It was fun.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex is pretty disappointed, even though Trump's getting a few good zingers in.
He's really disappointed that the fake version of Biden isn't there.
donald j trump
Well, Trump's doing a great job.
alex jones
But Biden is hopped up.
He's definitely, like he said, on something.
He's able to talk.
And Trump is not dominating him.
Trump's winning, but not as big a win as we thought there'd be.
I'll just be honest with you.
dan friesen
Alex's disappointment here is really interesting, because by all accounts, he should be loving this.
Trump is being an asshole, he's interrupting all over the place, and neither Chris Wallace nor Biden can really stop him or do anything to make this a conversation about policy differences.
Trump's throwing out some zingers that Alex is loving, but at this point you can tell that this is not what Alex wanted.
And here's why.
Trump is not contradicting reality in the ways Alex needs him to.
Trump is arguing with Biden about when a vaccine will be available not about how the vaccine is actually a secret plot to microchip and kill everyone.
Trump is saying that states should open up and masks are fine.
He's not saying that COVID-19 is a hoax and that the Democrats are trying to take over the world using it.
In the same way that this debate has the danger of revealing to Alex's cloistered audience that Joe Biden can, in fact, complete sentences and he isn't a man in the depths of late-stage dementia, it also carries the danger of revealing that Trump is not who Alex has built him up to be either.
Trump is a bully and an asshole.
He's an aspiring dictator, and he's willing to use whatever support he's able to exploit, but when the cards are on the table, he doesn't give a fuck about Alex's pet conspiracy theories.
He doesn't want to waste the political capital it would take for him to yell about vaccines.
He'd probably rather try to find a way to make a buck off them.
This is in stark opposition to the image that Alex paints of the man who was brought in by God to fight the battle against the globalists as their champion.
That was one of the things that struck me the most when I was watching the debate, because I didn't expect anything other than a train wreck, so I was mostly prepared for that aspect.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
There wasn't a winner, but ultimately Joe Biden probably lost the least, or at least came closest to winning, because his campaign doesn't have a lot of, you know, it's not built on enthusiasm about him as a personality.
If he comes out and fails to articulate left-wing positions well, that's not going to surprise anyone on the left.
As long as he manages to get through the debate without conceding to Trump, he's gonna retain the support that he has among the Democratic base, and there probably aren't a whole lot of undecided voters to convince one way or another at this point.
On the other hand, Trump has a lot to lose, mostly because his base is made up of a whole lot of weirdos with wildly different beliefs about who he is and what he's doing.
Each of them is a mini Trump cult that has their own version of the story.
For Q people, he's that of a secret group in the government that's rooting out all the evildoers.
Most of them are already dead and have been replaced by clones.
But weirdly, Trump never seems to bring up any of this stuff or act like any of it's true.
For people in the Infowars fold, Trump is a God-ordained ruler king who was brought to Earth at exactly the right moment to be their hero and deliver them from the bondage of the literal Christian devil.
But weirdly, Trump...
Fails to be on the same page with Alex about some pretty major elements of what's supposed to be the devil's plan, sure.
If the key to defeating the devil's plan is exposing the hoax of COVID-19, and Trump has all the evidence that it's a hoax, then it sure seems weird that he's bickering with Biden about how soon a vaccine can be delivered by the military, no less.
That's something Alex shouldn't like to hear.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's not good.
dan friesen
I have a suspicion that this debate could have been a disaster for Trump, but not in the way that rational people might expect.
Normal humans would watch that debate and what they'd see on stage is one complete raving asshole and one politician.
completely disagree with, you'd probably vote for them over a raving asshole because that dude is a raving lunatic asshole.
Yeah.
unidentified
But I think the damage that Trump could have done to himself was in that he wasn't crazy Or maybe a better way to put it is that he wasn't crazy in the right ways.
dan friesen
It would be almost impossible to satisfy all the different communities of Trump idolatry.
idolaters with their varying belief structures.
So it makes sense that no matter what, some of them would end up disappointed and disillusioned by this debate.
And that kind of does seem to be what Alex is experiencing.
alex jones
No more flu death.
No more cold death.
No more pneumonia death.
Call out the fraud.
Call out the hoax, Trump, instead of saying he did a better job of handling it.
Don't play their game.
God, this man is a joke.
Call out Fauci.
Call out Bill Gates for running the Wuhan lab.
Destroy them.
dan friesen
This is pretty tough for Alex.
Because if Trump were aware that this COVID-19 is an elaborate hoax being perpetrated on the American public in order to crash the economy and put the population into slavery and then eventually death, it would be kind of his responsibility as president to be forthright about that.
It wouldn't be a very admirable thing for him to know about this plan, and it's a plan to kill everyone, and then just argue that he's done a better job than Biden would have done.
That's the sort of thing that makes you think that maybe he's not the same person that Alex has told you that he is.
And you know what?
That should scare the shit out of Alex.
That optics being very clear.
It's one thing for Alex to turn on Trump.
It's another thing for his audience to turn on Trump while Alex is still licking boot.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And I think that you run the risk of that.
Because, like, you know, why would Trump debate about I've done a great job on the coronavirus when he's supposed to be aware that it's...
jordan holmes
Nothing.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's manufactured to hurt him.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
What he should be saying is, there isn't anybody dying of coronavirus.
You guys all just made this up in front of me to make me look bad.
dan friesen
Yeah, and if playing along with the charade is in effect aiding the globalist slash devil's plan, then why would he be doing that?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Kind of raises those questions in your mind that are very tough, and the only conclusion you can really come to is that Alex has been creating fake versions of Biden and Trump, and they're like toys on a desk and having them fight with each other.
jordan holmes
I just had an image of me playing with my two Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles action figures.
The Raphael one where his head popped out.
That was great.
dan friesen
That is what's going on.
So Alex gets to talking about how the Democrats...
They want to crash the economy.
You know that, right?
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
You remember who said that?
Do you?
jordan holmes
Who?
dan friesen
The Democrats who want to crash the economy.
jordan holmes
Which person who said that?
dan friesen
They want to crash the economy in order to punish Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but which person said that?
alex jones
The Democrats all said, you'll never get to 3%.
He did.
Then they did COVID, Deonna Lorraine.
And now they keep going back to COVID.
You suck, economy-wise, when they said they wanted to plunge the economy and blame Trump.
Don't Americans see through that?
deanna lorraine
100%.
And this was the ploy from the beginning, is push this false epidemic, pepidemic, false, push it as much as possible, say that it's this major serious thing, and then have the economy crash, blame Trump.
alex jones
And they hope we don't remember that.
I mean, Bill Maher, all of them.
jordan holmes
There it is.
dan friesen
It's Bill Maher.
It was just Bill Maher.
jordan holmes
It was Bill Maher.
unidentified
Jerk.
jordan holmes
Great.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So, there was a raucous celebration when Trump gave out that zinger earlier.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
It was a great zinger.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Everybody got zinged.
dan friesen
And then, at this point in the debate, Trump brought up Hunter Biden.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
And this leads to a declaration of victory.
donald j trump
The mayor of Moscow's wife gave your son three and a half million dollars.
What did he do to deserve it?
unidentified
What did he do to deserve it?
Boom.
deanna lorraine
Mic drop.
unidentified
Boom.
joe biden
None of that is true.
unidentified
Look at him squinting.
deanna lorraine
When he squints, that means he's lying.
He's caught in a lie.
donald j trump
He didn't get three and a half million dollars, Joe?
unidentified
Mr. Vice President.
donald j trump
He got three and a half million dollars.
joe biden
It is not true.
unidentified
Oh, really?
alex jones
It is not true.
deanna lorraine
Boom.
He's caught.
alex jones
You Russian agent.
deanna lorraine
He's caught.
alex jones
He's a Putin butt-buddy.
deanna lorraine
He is caught.
unidentified
I thought you were a Putin butt-buddy.
Look at him.
deanna lorraine
He's squinting and disappearing.
alex jones
Oh, he's scared.
unidentified
Oh!
deanna lorraine
His amphetamines have run out.
His shot has run out.
alex jones
He's got 40 minutes left and Joe Biden is pooping himself.
dan friesen
So, basically...
This follows with my theory, and what they're celebrating is like, oh, he got one of our narratives.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And like, oh, he's misrepresenting reality in the way that works for us.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And they're pretty excited about that.
jordan holmes
So we got at least one that we can talk about tomorrow and be like, Trump is our god king again because he got this one right.
Let's ignore all the other stuff like how I guess he's fine with killing everybody.
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And now the narrative becomes Joe Biden's drugs are wearing off, and so they just get really excited about that.
joe biden
But we've never...
alex jones
He's got 40 minutes left.
joe biden
It is true.
The reason I got in the race is for those people.
Close your eyes.
Remember what those people look like.
unidentified
He needs, I think, a plethora of a buffet of drugs and blood.
joe biden
Just spewing anti-Semitic vial.
unidentified
A blood buffet.
alex jones
Anti-Semitic?
If anything, Trump's like...
Too pro-Israel.
It's not against Israel, but I'm like, Trump is like pro-Israel to the maximum.
deanna lorraine
Obviously.
alex jones
I mean, this is ridiculous.
dan friesen
Biden was talking about the Unite the Right rally where people were chanting, Jews will not replace us.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And the anti-Semitism that was on display there.
Alex is misrepresenting it and saying, Trump loves Israel.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't even understand why anybody would think that this is good analysis.
Or like, why would anybody, even if you are a crazy right-wing person, And even if you're a weird conspiracy theorist, why would you think that, like, Alex can't follow what's being discussed and respond to it?
Like, he's incapable of doing this job.
Even if you're nuts and an anti-communist, you should be disappointed by this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, this is a watch party.
This is like whenever a new episode of Mad Men was released and everybody's like, let's get our friends together and everybody's like, oh, look at what Don Draper did.
It has nothing to do with reality.
dan friesen
But dude, it's more off-topic than that, I think.
jordan holmes
Wow, that's fair.
dan friesen
I think watch parties for Mad Men are a little bit better moderated.
jordan holmes
That's probably true.
dan friesen
Now, like, look at this.
Listen to this.
This is just nonsense.
unidentified
We're not going to talk about law and order.
donald j trump
We're not talking about law and order.
alex jones
None of his good topics are allowed.
Chris Wallace, the enemy of America.
unidentified
Chris Wallace literally just said we're going to talk about law and order.
jordan holmes
What is the point?
What is the point of these people?
Just shut up.
dan friesen
It's outrageous.
jordan holmes
There's no talking to you.
There's no point in you talking.
Nothing you do is good or worthy of even fucking just shut up and leave us alone.
dan friesen
So another thing is, like, so Alex has been painting Chris Wallace as, like, the most evil, awful thing ever.
And part of this is, like, they're ganging up on Trump.
He's not asking Biden any hard questions.
And then he asks Biden a hard question.
And this doesn't, like, this shouldn't work for Alex.
unidentified
Have you ever called the Democratic mayor of Portland or the Democratic governor of Oregon and said...
Hey, you've got to stop this, bring in the National Guard, do whatever it takes, but you stop the days and months of violence in Portland.
joe biden
I don't hold public office now.
I am a former vice president.
I've made it clear.
alex jones
What a cop-out, as if you're the main candidate.
You couldn't do that.
deanna lorraine
Right.
alex jones
They do what he said like that.
deanna lorraine
Right.
That was a good question, though.
dan friesen
Oh, good question, though.
Wait, doesn't that invalidate the idea that Chris Wallace wouldn't be asking any hard questions?
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
Wait, what is going on?
jordan holmes
I hate all of this.
Why are you guys dealing with reality?
This is the problem.
When unreality is forced to meet reality, it looks incredibly stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think Alex is a little bit even on his heels a tiny bit.
It might be booze-related, or it might just be like...
What is this?
jordan holmes
What did I think this was going to be?
Why did I think this was going to not be what it so obviously was going to be?
dan friesen
Yeah, so we get to the point in the debate where Trump is asked about the Proud Boys.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And this is interesting.
Alex seems pretty disappointed.
unidentified
Are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not...
Trump signed an executive order on that.
And as we've seen in Portland.
Sure, I'm willing to do that.
donald j trump
I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing.
unidentified
So what are you saying?
donald j trump
I'm willing to do anything.
I want to see peace.
unidentified
Well, then do it, sir.
Say it.
joe biden
Do it.
unidentified
Say it.
alex jones
He signed an executive order last week, dickhead.
Sorry.
See, Trump doesn't even remember this.
unidentified
Proud boys.
donald j trump
Proud boys.
Stand back and stand by.
But I'll tell you what.
I'll tell you what.
Somebody's got to do something about Antifa and the left.
Because this is not a right.
alex jones
He said it's all the left.
He signed an order to listen to KKK Antifa's terrorist.
deanna lorraine
I know.
alex jones
But he doesn't even...
Let's just keep going.
I'm sorry.
deanna lorraine
You should have been there.
alex jones
No, no, no.
dan friesen
He's really disappointed that Trump didn't say, ah, my good sir, I did sign an executive order saying that Antifa and the KKK are terrorists, so don't ask me about the Proud Boys, or whatever.
Trump didn't use that deflection to get off the topic.
Instead, he said something that everybody heard as terrifying.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, no.
He just told the Proud Boys to be ready to murder the left at any point in time.
I don't understand.
dan friesen
I don't think Alex heard it that way.
jordan holmes
I think that is true.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That doesn't sound like he realized that what Trump just said was, it's okay for you and your friends to kill the left, like you've always wanted to do.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know if Alex took that message away from it.
jordan holmes
He can't even comprehend his own guy.
His reading comprehension skills are so low, even the guy who's telling him what he wants to hear, he's unable to understand.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think the most generous reading of Trump's response there is an unwillingness to alienate some of his passionate supporters.
And then also, he probably was trying to say, stand down, or whatever, and he kept saying, stand back, stand by.
Or at least, at very least, he, you know, Phrasing it that way allows that possible interpretation.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
So there's a defensibility of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I find it all very tiring.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And terrifying and bad.
jordan holmes
To that I say fuck off.
dan friesen
Also, this is going to be a problem for Alex.
unidentified
Do you believe that human pollution, greenhouse gas emissions...
alex jones
Do you believe we should pay Rothschild money?
Say that.
donald j trump
I think to an extent yes.
I think to an extent yes.
dan friesen
Uh-oh.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Unreality is losing at every turn.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, if you're Alex, like, what do you do when Trump says, yes, human pollution is contributing to...
jordan holmes
Climate change.
dan friesen
Wait, I thought it was supposed to be a Chinese scam.
jordan holmes
And COVID is real?
Wait, I thought it was supposed to be a Chinese bioweapon.
dan friesen
Oh no, Trump's just doing a rope-a-dope thing.
jordan holmes
Sure, but also...
Oh man, these people.
dan friesen
So earlier Owen didn't know who was in the first televised presidential debate.
Now we learn something that Deanna doesn't know.
joe biden
We can get to net zero in terms of energy production by 2035.
Not only not costing people jobs, creating jobs.
Creating millions of good-paying jobs.
Not 15 bucks an hour, but prevailing wage by having a new infrastructure.
alex jones
Meanwhile, they're the ones that are shutting the economy down and saying you're non-essential.
I mean, this is disgustingly obvious.
deanna lorraine
Prevailing wage?
joe biden
New word.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Good for you.
Good for you, Deanna.
jordan holmes
Deanna, you should have learned about Prevailing Way.
If she's just finding out about it, do you think she was like, I should find a better job.
unidentified
I am getting paid 15 bucks an hour for this.
dan friesen
Deanna, if you Google it, you might want to rethink your contract with Alex.
Yeah, I think that's always interesting when, like...
Because it almost had the sound of her thinking she had a gotcha.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like Biden said something that doesn't...
jordan holmes
Prevailing wage?
That's a new word.
dan friesen
In reality, all it shows is you don't know maybe much about...
Working issues.
jordan holmes
Kind of stupid.
dan friesen
Yep.
So they get really bored by this point because they've already decided, like, ha-ha, the Hunter Biden thing.
jordan holmes
He won.
dan friesen
Trump's got the knockout.
jordan holmes
He won.
dan friesen
It's over.
Biden's slowly losing his mental faculties.
jordan holmes
This is mop-up time.
We should be dealing with the mercy rule.
dan friesen
So Alex, at this point, just starts talking about corn pop a lot.
unidentified
I actually have studied your plan, and it includes upgrading four million buildings, weatherizing two million homes over four years, building one and a half million energy-efficient homes.
So the question becomes, the president is saying, I think some people who support the president would say that sounds like it's going to cost a lot of money and hurt the economy.
joe biden
What it's going to do, it's going to create thousands and millions of jobs.
unidentified
It's going to remove jobs.
deanna lorraine
Push people into little smart cities.
alex jones
Let corn pop talk.
joe biden
Millions of good paying jobs.
dan friesen
So when Alex said, let corn pop talk, you might have noticed that his voice changed a little bit.
That was him leaving.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounded right.
dan friesen
He just left.
jordan holmes
He just left?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Did he come back?
dan friesen
Yeah, like maybe five minutes later.
jordan holmes
So in the middle, he didn't announce anything.
He was just like, hey, guys, I gotta get a drink.
I'm gonna be right back.
dan friesen
He's either getting a drink or he has to pee or something.
Sure, sure.
I don't know what it is, but yeah, he just leaves.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
How's Deanna doing by herself?
dan friesen
Not great.
jordan holmes
I didn't think so.
dan friesen
We just mostly hear the debate.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
With her going, hmm.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
Every now and again.
jordan holmes
Prevailing way, Jay.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
So they get to the topic of voter fraud in the debate.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And this is where Trump, he won.
donald j trump
We won't know.
We might not know for months.
Because these ballots are going to be all over.
Take a look at what happened in Manhattan.
Take a look at what happened in New Jersey.
Take a look at what happened in Virginia and other places.
They're not losing 2%, 1%, which, by the way, is too much.
An election could be won or lost with that.
They're losing 30% and 40%.
It's a fraud.
And it's a shame.
And can you imagine where they say...
alex jones
Get a clip of this, guys.
This is what we're running tomorrow and the next day.
This is it.
The last five minutes is Trump in thoroughbred domination, truth.
This is everything we need.
unidentified
Great.
Incredible.
dan friesen
Trump is creating the narrative along with us that the election is going to be stolen.
If he doesn't win, this is exactly what we needed.
Hooray.
That's the celebration.
It's really interesting that the way it's experienced is this is exactly what we needed.
And it's so weird how that is overriding all of the very serious problems that have been introduced by the visuals of this debate.
The fact that Trump is not the person that you pretend he is.
The fact that Biden isn't the falling apart old man that you pretend he is.
The invalidation of so much.
We got what we needed.
Right.
Things where he's just a aspiring dictator asshole.
Like...
The things that work for Alex are the things that are completely explainable without Alex's conspiracies.
jordan holmes
Totally, totally.
dan friesen
The parts where Alex's conspiracies and Trump's behaviors intersect, there's not as much overlap as Alex pretends.
jordan holmes
It is, oh boy.
That was the most I've heard from the debates.
The picture I had in my head?
Accurate.
Right on.
dan friesen
Well, I think if you watched it, it would be worse.
jordan holmes
I believe that.
dan friesen
But here was my favorite snippet from the debate.
This is just Trump saying something that's like, this is like, it's unbelievable.
joe biden
What we're saying is, they're saying is that it has to be a postmark by the time, by election day.
If it doesn't get in till the 7th, 8th, 9th, it still should be counted.
He's just afraid of counting the votes.
unidentified
You're wrong.
I want to continue with you on this, Vice President Biden.
donald j trump
Chris, he's so wrong when he makes a statement like that.
dan friesen
I love counting votes.
jordan holmes
I love counting votes.
What are we doing?
What are we doing?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I can't imagine any candidate that I've ever been excited about saying something like that.
And retaining respect.
jordan holmes
I don't want to die because of that asshole.
That's unfair.
dan friesen
He loves you not dying.
jordan holmes
No, that's unfair.
dan friesen
He loves you not dying.
jordan holmes
That is cruel and insulting to me.
I have existed this long without dying because of an asshole like Donald Trump and to die now?
That's too long.
That's too long.
Kill me when I'm nine.
That'd be fine.
I should be killed by an asshole like this when I'm nine.
Nine-year-olds are assholes like that.
dan friesen
Well, if you're nine, you'll be too young to vote.
And if you're too young to vote, then you won't be at the polls.
jordan holmes
Ah, I love voting.
dan friesen
And if you're not at the polls, then you won't be there where Trump is encouraging people and his supporters to go and hang out.
jordan holmes
Wow.
unidentified
And will you pledge tonight that you will not declare victory until the election has been independently certified?
President Trump, you go first.
donald j trump
I'm urging my supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully because that's what has to happen.
I am urging them to do it.
As you know, today there was a big problem.
In Philadelphia, they went in to watch.
They were called poll watchers, a very safe, very nice thing.
They were thrown out.
They weren't allowed to watch.
You know why?
Because bad things happen in Philadelphia.
Bad things.
And I am urging...
I am urging my people.
I hope it's going to be a fair election.
If it's a fair election, I am 100% on board.
But if I see tens of thousands of ballots being manipulated, I can't go along with that.
unidentified
And I'll tell you what, from a common sense, I'll tell you what it means.
donald j trump
It means you have a fraudulent election.
You're sending out 80 million ballots.
They're not equipped to...
These people aren't equipped to handle it, number one.
Because of you!
unidentified
They cheat.
alex jones
Well, they did all this to do it.
donald j trump
They found ballots in a waste paper basket.
alex jones
They created this with the COVID to do it.
deanna lorraine
Exactly.
100%.
dan friesen
If you're saying that, you know, you want an election, you want a good, clean election, and you'll respect the results of a good, clean election, but unfortunately, you know, if there's tons of chicanery, then you can't respect the results, and then your next sentences are, look at all this chicanery.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
You're kind of signaling something, and that is that...
You will not view the election as being valid.
So, enough of this debate.
We're done with it.
Alex has a summation before he leaves for the night.
And Deanna Lorraine and Owen Schroer host for quite a while.
And click.
alex jones
It was Trump's to lose.
I would say the first half, he didn't do as well as I'd like, but was still ahead.
And then the last half he just way out took Joe Biden and absolutely destroyed him.
Deonna Lorraine will give you her take.
Owen Troy will give you his take.
Just remember, we've got a great crew that's working.
18 hours a day to bring you this.
There's no independent media like this that actually has live coverage of this other than InfoWars.
We are so blessed to be here.
jordan holmes
No one has live coverage.
alex jones
Please remember we have a big special at PrepareWithAlex.com, the lowest price.
jordan holmes
The debate was live.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It was broadcast live.
dan friesen
Yeah, there was a number of people who were doing live coverage.
Yeah, so, you know, just trying to funnel it, get some money, see what we can do.
jordan holmes
I just hate that, like...
I think he was, the first half hour, you know, I think he was doing pretty good.
He still won, but not by much.
He's like, look, just say that he didn't do well, and then he came back and won it.
He doesn't have to be winning, but not by as much.
Okay, my team is down 16 points to the Jets, but we're only winning by a little bit.
dan friesen
He was an asshole, but he should have been worse, and then later he got to be more of an asshole, and that excited me, and I gotta go to bed.
I'm tired.
jordan holmes
Very simple.
That's a great analysis.
That's a summation right there, Dan.
dan friesen
So Alex comes in on the 30th, and we're not going to listen to too much of this episode because it's not really much going on, quite frankly.
But Alex has now decided that Trump did great, and there's a lot of people who are saying that he did bad.
For obvious reasons.
Even on the right.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe a Matt Drudge type.
jordan holmes
Yeah, for obvious reasons.
dan friesen
But hey, man, they've just never been in a debate.
alex jones
And again, I'm not putting anybody down that thought Trump could have done a better job.
It's easy when you're sitting on your sofa and you're 30 years old or you're 40 years old and you're not 74 and you're not under the lights with Chris Wallace interrupting you constantly to point out where the doer of deeds could have done better.
But I just know what it's like to be under pressure up on a stage with someone interrupting you.
Not at that level, but...
Pretty much as high a level as you can get before that.
So I've been right to almost where Trump's at when people are outnumbering you.
And it's hard.
That's why I have the tactic, why they won't have me on any shows, is I just say what I'm going to say and ignore what they're saying.
And that's a good way to win debates.
jordan holmes
That is not a good way to win debates.
dan friesen
It's definitely a good way to make people who don't book you on shows sound very sensible.
jordan holmes
It's a way to end debates.
dan friesen
End bookings.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good point.
dan friesen
Yeah, so my strategy in debates is to not even listen to questions and just yell.
jordan holmes
What I like to do is whenever people bring me on their show, I'd like to don't engage and act like their show doesn't matter to me.
dan friesen
I would love it if Alex Jones taught a debate class and the whole thing was Just like...
It was just exercises to make you louder.
That's not cool.
So hey man, look.
Some people had some things to say about Trump.
But they're not in the arena.
They're not debating like Alex did with Piers Morgan or that guy in the UK where he yelled at him a bunch and screamed Infowars.com.
Hey, but look, any criticism of Trump is one thing.
Think about Biden, bro.
alex jones
He thinks he's better than everybody.
He gets up on stage and brags about how he's the best lawyer ever.
I don't know people that knew him in Delaware.
They are crooks, man, and nasty and use people and steal.
I mean, he doesn't give tips.
Neither does Hillary.
Think about this.
Joe Biden doesn't give people tips, folks.
He goes in, eats a steak dinner.
You don't get $5.
He goes into a diner, you don't get a nickel.
dan friesen
No tips.
jordan holmes
If you work for Trump, you don't get paid.
dan friesen
You tipped.
jordan holmes
That's true.
I don't think he does that!
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
I doubt he tips.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, you should tip, obviously, but kind of trivial compared to what you see from that raving asshole Trump.
Anyway, Dan Lyman from Europe Wars comes on, and so they do a bit of a segment of just shitting on immigrants, and here's just a little taste, literally.
unidentified
And they basically work to transport migrants from Turkey that have come in from other countries, such as Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, and bring them into Europe, and then the operation goes on from there to bring them onto mainland Europe.
alex jones
Continue laying this out.
dan friesen
Alex is eating.
Delicious.
Having a lunch.
jordan holmes
Nice little sandwich.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Come on!
The debate happened.
dan friesen
Look, I think...
jordan holmes
He was up late last night, had a couple more drinks to kind of calm himself down.
dan friesen
Sure.
Need something to mop it up?
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
So Alex gets to talk in here on this episode about how, like, if he could, he would run.
He would run, but there's nowhere on Earth you can't run from the globalists, because globe, you know?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does make sense.
dan friesen
So he can't run, and apparently his early career is meaningless.
alex jones
It's coming, and it's coming fast.
You can have to fight, folks.
I'll just be honest.
If I could run to some country and have another 50 years and 40 years and...
I would leave.
There's nowhere to go.
Our back's against the wall.
And it just makes me sick.
Because when I was not as knowledgeable, I could wargame things and think, well, we'll defeat the enemy.
We'll crush them in the fight.
But they're soulless nobodies.
And so they're like non-player characters.
unidentified
There we go.
alex jones
And so it doesn't even do anything.
It's just ridiculous.
It's all a loss.
It's all a fraud.
It's all empty.
It's all pointless.
It's all stupid.
But it's all because the devil wants to destroy us.
And once you figure out, oh, there's an entity, oh, it's real, then everything makes sense.
dan friesen
I mean, I don't agree with the there's a devil trying to ruin everybody's lives or anything.
No.
I take issue with that conclusion, but everything else I'm totally on board with.
Because it sounds like what he's saying is, when I was younger, I thought I was doing something, but I was actually fighting shadows.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I agree.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I agree.
I would even draw your conclusion a little bit further along in your career.
Perhaps all the way up until the present moment.
dan friesen
Yes, this devil of yours is just another shadow that you're fighting against.
It's a shadow that you're going to have a tough time creating a bigger bag.
Bad guy 4, seeing as there's thousands of people.
jordan holmes
You're already on the devil.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
What do you got?
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, it's basically the same thing as, like, what fucked heroes over.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, season 1, your bad guy is Siler, and he can take other people's powers.
He's overpowered.
You can't do anything.
jordan holmes
He is essentially infinitely powered.
dan friesen
Season 2 cannot really be all that interesting, because that guy exists.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, yeah, it's the same thing with Alex.
Next season.
You've already fought the devil, Shadow.
jordan holmes
All I heard in that is just like, I cannot learn.
Anything.
dan friesen
Well, I can keep escalating.
So we start off with fighting the shadow that is that road in Texas.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That was a good shadow.
Yeah, you start fighting the shadow that is Bush and 9-11 conspiracies.
jordan holmes
That's a big shadow.
dan friesen
Then you start fighting the shadow of what you imagine Obama is up to.
jordan holmes
He was going to become a dictator who was going to send in troops to plenty of...
dan friesen
And your guy, Ron Paul, was...
going to be who was going to take care of that shadow for everybody because he knew about how to fight the shadow that is the Federal Reserve.
Right.
unidentified
So you're going to take care of all that business.
dan friesen
And then you accidentally start supporting Trump and you do that.
And that requires you to escalate your shadow.
Yeah.
unidentified
Now Trump is in the seat of power that you were yelling about.
dan friesen
And you can't go back to local issues.
Right.
unidentified
Being your primary focus like that road.
dan friesen
You can't do that.
That's that's moving backwards.
Right.
unidentified
You have to escalate.
dan friesen
Now you have the deep state.
jordan holmes
Not least of which, you have to know, at least on some level, the guy you think should be the king...
Is himself worse than the shadows that you have been fighting your entire career.
Which is why your new shadow has to be the devil.
He is the...
The literal devil is the only thing worse than Donald Trump.
So your enemy has to be the literal devil.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's kind of interesting how it's like...
There's like two paths that it's like...
This is just the way his career has had to escalate.
In terms of who the bad guy is.
And then simultaneously...
Simultaneously, like, yeah, if it's a choice between Trump or literal devil, I guess most people would be like, I guess Trump's just a dictator.
You know, like, I guess that's, you know, not...
jordan holmes
So far, the devil seems way more fun.
He's got more interesting plans.
He's got better shit going on.
dan friesen
You mean Alex's version of the devil?
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
His plans are terrible and none of them work.
Of course I want Alex's devil over Trump.
dan friesen
I'm comparing him to, like, the pitchfork poking me devil.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And I'm not into that devil.
jordan holmes
I've heard he's a bad guy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, Alex takes some calls, and he's disappointed that during the debate Trump didn't destroy the COVID fraud.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And this caller is like, yeah, why didn't he?
alex jones
But yeah, now it's time to just destroy the whole thing.
Not go, oh, we did the best job ever, we whatever, because they've made it political.
He needs to destroy Fauci, destroy Gates, destroy them all.
unidentified
That's my point.
Why didn't he do that yesterday on stage?
Why didn't he just come out and just put a border right there?
alex jones
Because it would tank the dollar.
It would tank the stock market, and he understands we're in an economic war.
So I know what he's doing, and I'm not even saying I disagree.
Here's the thing.
I want frontal attacks until I think about the consequences.
And so that's why I'm a surrogate.
All of us are surrogates for President Trump if we decide to be.
We can be the attack dogs.
Whereas in some cases he can't.
Does that make sense?
unidentified
Yes, sir.
dan friesen
That's not what a surrogate means.
jordan holmes
I don't want you to say sir to that.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I do not want to hear you say sir.
dan friesen
No.
Also, I would suggest that if the two choices are crashing the dollar and the globalists plan to kill everyone...
Kind of got to crash that dollar.
jordan holmes
Is option number three the devil?
Because so far he's higher up on my list than I thought would happen.
dan friesen
All very stupid.
So we have one last clip because Alex has an interview with Jim Hoft from the Gateway Pundit.
He has some interesting analysis.
jordan holmes
Oh, does he?
dan friesen
Yeah.
This made me want to just throw a brick through a window or something.
It's made me like, oh, fuck yourself.
unidentified
I think Trump accomplished one thing.
jim hoft
He wanted to expose Joe Biden.
unidentified
And he absolutely did that.
Joe Biden looked unhinged.
He looked flustered.
He was mean.
His name-calling was, you know, certainly not presidential.
jim hoft
And he also looked, you know, disheveled.
dan friesen
So Jim Hoft's complaining or celebrating, I guess, that Trump exposed that Biden is mean and a name-caller, which is rich.
That's pretty funny.
jordan holmes
I just...
It's just...
Do not...
No, if your propaganda style is write the thing that your guy did and then switch out the names, that's just too much for me.
That's just too much.
dan friesen
No, no, Trump being mean and a name-caller is strategic brilliance.
jordan holmes
And he was also disheveled and an asshole and couldn't communicate clear thoughts, almost as if he were on some sort of drugs.
Everything that they say is...
Embodied, and they're just like, whoa, can't deal with that.
I'll just put Biden's name in there.
Oh, I feel so much nicer now.
I feel very comfortable with this.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, we come to the end of debate extravaganza 2020.
I'm Dan, this is 2020.
God damn it.
And, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Well, I feel reassured.
dan friesen
I don't.
jordan holmes
Safe.
dan friesen
I'm overwhelmed.
I'm honestly overwhelmed.
I mean, about the real world, but then also about looking at this.
Like, I mean, okay.
Owen Schroer sucks.
That's not news.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
That's status quo.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Alex was clearly fucked up on something.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Probably drunk.
jordan holmes
One way or the other.
dan friesen
And then either was acting like he was on coke or was.
Who knows?
Maybe just took some super male vitality.
jordan holmes
Who cares?
dan friesen
But he was all over the place and really weird and making fart noises during the debate.
jordan holmes
That was pretty funny, though.
dan friesen
Right.
I don't know.
I don't know what...
I'm at a loss.
I'm at a loss.
I don't know what...
For the first time in a very long time, I don't know what's going on.
This was bewildering.
jordan holmes
This is surreal.
No, I've spent most of the day...
Especially after I saw the picture of Lori Lightfoot wearing a costume lying to my face all day today.
I've just really started to feel like all of you are fucking with me.
Like, this is where everyone is in on this.
My conspiracies go further than any.
The globalists fuck off.
Everyone.
dan friesen
All of you.
You're talking Truman Show.
jordan holmes
Against me.
100%.
This is manufactured to make a man lose his mind.
All seven and a half billion of you got together and were like, what if Jordan went insane?
That's the only thing that makes sense to me.
I was born in a cult with a prophecy to my name.
This is the only thing that makes sense to me.
dan friesen
I mean, I understand why you might lean towards that conclusion, but I'll assure you that you're right.
jordan holmes
I can't trust you.
Even when you agree with me.
You're in on it.
dan friesen
That's exactly right.
jordan holmes
God damn it!
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
I look for clarity, hopefully, to set in over the weekend, and we will see.
But, Jordan, before we get out of here, let's take some calls.
unidentified
Ooh, that sounds great!
dan friesen
Listen to some voicemails from people who called in to 773TatGuys.
jordan holmes
Love it.
unidentified
Hey, Dan and Jordan.
This is Troy from Olympia, Washington.
Long-time listener.
jordan holmes
Hi, Troy!
unidentified
And I guess I had some tangentially connected, slightly less than useless...
Information about Alex Jones that I just thought would be interesting to you guys.
So, our friend, Leo Zagami, apparently has a translator working for him.
A translator who has translated his books from Italian into Japanese.
And this translator, who I kind of stumbled upon through pure happenstance, Is a guy named Hal Yamanuchi.
And you've probably never heard of Hal Yamanuchi.
But if you've ever seen the Wolverine, the 2013 X-Men spinoff starring Hugh Jackson.
dan friesen
Guy's got knife hands.
unidentified
Then you will know who Hal Yamanuchi is.
He plays the main villain, the older guy, who at the end of the film gets strapped up into that giant silver samurai.
Oh, shit, it's that guy.
by he's pretty good thrown off the cliff.
Uh, that guy, when he is not acting in major motion pictures, He's also a mime, a dancer, a choreographer, and speaks at least four languages fluently.
He was also in some porn in the early 1980s.
So, man really gets around.
jordan holmes
I love this man.
unidentified
Some of that might be interesting to you guys.
jordan holmes
Very.
unidentified
Maybe, at some point, if you ever...
dan friesen
That was fascinating, but unfortunately, he hit the two-minute mark.
And I didn't know this until, like, I heard some calls that hit the two-minute mark, and there's a two-minute limit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I didn't set that.
It's just a Skype thing, I guess.
jordan holmes
Doesn't it give you, like, the option to re-record your message, maybe?
dan friesen
You can call back in.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
But, like, yeah, I apologize to this caller who's giving some very, very important information.
jordan holmes
I'm stoked.
dan friesen
Yeah, I really appreciate something like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, me too.
dan friesen
So anyway, here's the next call.
unidentified
Was that a British message thing?
Well, if this is in fact Danny Jordan from the Knowledge Fight podcast, if it isn't, I apologize for whatever random person I'm calling.
I just wanted to say I like the show.
Listen to it all the time while I'm delivering pizza.
Anyway, you guys have a nice day.
dan friesen
Hey, you too.
I like that accent.
And then, second, it also should be said...
That there is a British person who has the outgoing message.
I don't know how to record one and I don't have the time.
You just let the British person do it.
So a lot of messages we'll end up starting with.
I don't know if it's a British person.
jordan holmes
We gotta get the Mr. T voice.
You know, a friend of the show, Mike Wiley, used to have a GPS that he always had the Mr. T voice on.
And every time we would go out and run.
Oh, do a cameo!
God damn it, we can do this.
This is within our reach.
Dan and Jordan, hope everything's going well.
unidentified
I'm actually on my way right now to add to my tattoo sleeve.
jordan holmes
I just want to call in and say your show is fucking delightful.
I really appreciate what you guys do.
unidentified
My name is Matt.
Probably should have started with that, but that's great.
jordan holmes
Hi, Matt!
I live out in eastern Washington.
unidentified
I'm a blip of blue and a sea of blood fucking red.
Your show gives me hope and makes me laugh.
jordan holmes
I love the chemistry you guys have.
joe biden
As a quick question...
dan friesen
Have you guys played No Man's Sky?
Trying to get some feedback on it.
unidentified
Wanted to know if you guys had and what your opinions were.
Also, Dan, I just pulled a three-foot key out of my garden this morning.
dan friesen
It's fucking wild.
jordan holmes
I can send you a picture later if you'd like.
dan friesen
All right.
unidentified
Hope things are going well, and take care.
Keep up the good work.
dan friesen
I do not need a zucchini picture.
That's code.
I applaud you and your gardening.
I will say I have never played No Man's Sky, and I don't know anything about it, but it is a name that I've heard people talk really well of.
People say it's really good.
I don't know.
I don't know what type of game it is.
I don't know what it's on.
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I've heard a lot about it.
I've read a lot about it.
It seems too intimidating to me.
Because it's No Man's Sky.
dan friesen
It's not your sky.
jordan holmes
The idea is that it's infinite.
It self-creates a world for you, so you can go around and you travel.
One of the reasons that it had such a rough launch was because you couldn't meet any other players because you were in an infinite universe.
So you would just troll around the fucking stars finding all kinds of weird shit.
dan friesen
I'll be right back.
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
So, I don't know.
It got to...
It's like EVE Online.
It's not like gameplay-wise, but EVE Online is...
dan friesen
I don't know what that is either.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
It's like an intense universe unto itself.
And it's just intimidating to me, and I can't jump in on it.
It's not something that you can dip your toe into, you know?
dan friesen
Okay, then I won't.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
It's pronounced Cracker.
Damn.
Crunch them.
Spread them with cheese.
Crush them in a soup.
Cracker.
dan friesen
It's an easy mistake to make.
We're not talking about crackers like a Ritz.
We're talking about a Quokka.
jordan holmes
That's an interesting...
It's very close.
unidentified
It's close.
jordan holmes
That's an interesting breathy tone for those...
Crush them up and put them in a soup.
dan friesen
That's what you do with crackers.
jordan holmes
I know, I get it, but it's pronounced quokka.
dan friesen
Quokka.
jordan holmes
Quokka-ra.
unidentified
Dan!
Jordan!
Hey, it's your old buddy John down here in Austin, Texas, the non-health ranger.
jordan holmes
Hi, John!
unidentified
And I wanted to call in and finally call into this service because I have been racking my brain about a fun little gift to send you guys.
And I think I've come up with something, but it's a little bit weird.
So first of all, I want to say thank you so, so much for, you know, helping me through this whole crazy fucking time.
Dan, always been a great friend.
Jordan, same.
Jordan, your gratitude and engagement was fucking helpful when I needed it most when we were talking about Final Fantasy VII, all that kind of stuff.
And your book is fucking great, by the way.
Dan, you know, all the back and forth we've had, Love you, man.
Thank you for helping out my company with that little thing that I asked you for and everything.
You guys are just great.
So I want to do something nice.
So what I'm thinking is, you need to send me your DNA.
And I know that sounds weird, but here's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to make Dan and Jordan Chimeras.
jordan holmes
John.
unidentified
What I'm thinking is, I'm going to amplify a couple of microsatellite regions for your DNA, something that's identifiable as specifically you.
jordan holmes
All right, now I'm listening.
unidentified
And then I'm going to clone it into at least four kingdoms of life.
Animal, plant, bacteria, and fungi.
So, please send me your DNA.
If you don't, or you think, that's real fucking weird, John.
I'm not sending you my DNA.
That's fucking strange.
Then my alternative is I'm just going to send you guys each a copy of Deanna Lorraine's book about love from a Trumpian perspective.
jordan holmes
No.
unidentified
Make love great again.
jordan holmes
Really?
unidentified
It'll be signed.
Well, by me, not by Deanna Lorraine.
But still, sign copies of that book or send me your DNA.
If you agree on the podcast, I will send you buccal swabs and stabilization.
dan friesen
Oh, he hit the two-minute mark.
He hit the two-minute mark.
jordan holmes
I imagine that is the new Sunni-Shia divide.
If the world is suddenly populated by you and my descendants all through plants and animal life.
We are the loud ones!
dan friesen
I am so tempted to explore this, but I also feel like I can't, but then the alternative is a Diana Lorraine book.
I don't know what to do.
jordan holmes
I think we have to become chimeras.
dan friesen
I think I've got to talk to my therapist about this.
jordan holmes
We've got to repopulate the Earth when everybody's gone, man.
dan friesen
Let's see what this next call is.
unidentified
Two-minute cutoff.
jordan holmes
I'm so sorry.
unidentified
Have a good one, guys.
Talk to you soon.
Bye.
dan friesen
Two-minute cutoff.
unidentified
A lot of people hitting that two-minute cutoff.
dan friesen
All right, let's see the next call.
jordan holmes
I like it.
unidentified
Hey, guys.
So I was in the urgent care recently because I got, like, bit by a raccoon while saving it from some dogs.
And while I was there, I remembered that they were putting, like, hydrogen peroxide on the wound, and I remembered that whole thing where one of Alex's guests was suggesting that people inhale hydrogen peroxide.
So I thought, why not ask the nurse about it?
And I explained what the guy suggested to her, and she burst out laughing before she realized that I was serious, and then she got real grave in her face and went, Mal, don't do that.
That could kill you.
So, apparently that doctor was just trying to kill Alex's listeners.
I kind of get it, but...
Still seems wrong.
dan friesen
It would be very wrong.
Very wrong.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
I do not support tricking people, regardless of political affiliation.
dan friesen
Dr. Mercola is up to no good, no matter what.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
dan friesen
Man, I just...
It's good to hear that someone did that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think the only thing that I would want from that is just the look on the face of a medical professional as they hear that.
And the slow dawning, the dawning realization that you are not...
Joking.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That this conversation is in fact happening.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
What did I do with my life?
I went to nursing school.
I got two kids.
I put my husband through college and then he left me.
And now this guy.
unidentified
Hey, Dan and Jordan.
My name's Jory.
I'm a listener and big fan from South Dakota.
You know, the state where Alex Jones called our governor mommy and wishes...
He was the horse she was riding on and then got mad at his son for playing along with that.
It's miserable here.
Anyway, I don't have a lot of friends that listen to the podcast, so I'm usually relaying information about Alex Johnson because I think it's funny.
And something that comes up often when I'm talking about them or someone like Ben Shapiro, one of those guys, is that they just say they're grifters.
And that they're just doing it for money, and they wouldn't be doing it if they weren't getting funded by Koch brothers or whatever.
And I personally feel like that's a little dismissive, and I think it undermines the seriousness of what those people do and say and the problems that it caused.
And I was just wondering if you guys had a take on it.
Thank you.
Love the show.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think totally.
The question of whether or not people are shills or grifting or whatever, it's a matter.
It matters.
It's a real question.
I think you approach grifting and ideological stuff a little bit differently in terms of how you might want to respond to it.
But at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter in terms of the consequences and the effect that somebody has.
If you take this as the example that he's using, the Koch brothers paying people to promote X, they would only be paying that...
If it was effective, and there was some sort of a policy or societal goal that that furthered.
And that's kind of what's more important than whether or not someone's beliefs are sincere.
It's always an interesting question, because especially with listening to Alex, it's almost impossible to believe that he believes this shit.
And so that always becomes very, very interesting to be like, oh, are you making up that you believe in the devil, or is that actually something you believe?
But at the end of the day, the effect that it has on the audience is really what's more important and trying to avert whatever damage can be caused by sincere or grift propaganda.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think one thing to always keep in mind is that the grift attracts psychopathic monsters.
You do have to remember that if you are grifting people, you are essentially stealing their money and giving them nothing but false hope in return.
So you have to then remember that the people who are on this grift are 100% for stealing people's money.
dan friesen
They're not good people.
jordan holmes
And giving nothing back.
So regardless of whether or not they believe their current bullshit spewing from their mouth, that's who they are.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's important.
As a question, but I think it's not the central question.
And I think that sincere or not, these things need to be taken seriously because of the effects.
It's consequentialist to an extent, but at the same time, it's not wrong to...
Dwell or consider whether or not someone's running a scam.
Sure.
It's just not a reason to throw out whatever they're saying as meaningless.
Like, no one would ever fall for this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because people do.
jordan holmes
People will fall for it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, anyway, I hope everyone has a great weekend.
We will be back.
Jordan.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight and at GoToBedJordan.
dan friesen
You can find us on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook, iTunes, and if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out the people doing God's work right now.
dan friesen
Yeah, for sure.
We'll be back, but until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX, Clark, I'm Daryl Rundis, I'm on Five Bags of Blood.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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