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Sept. 16, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#482: September 15, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan check in on Alex Jones to see what he's up to.  In this installment, Alex rambles a bit about the devil, discusses how he was appointed by God at the age of three to be a major pillar of the fight against the devil, and makes excuses about why he hasn't been on Rogan's podcast.

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alex jones
07:13
d
dan friesen
36:30
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jordan holmes
17:03
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bishop larry gaiters
01:00
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sherri j tenpenny
00:56
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
dan friesen
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
alex jones
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
Jordan, today's bright spot comes in the form of a zip.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
Check in the mailbag.
jordan holmes
Is there a mailbag?
dan friesen
There is.
There's enough mailbag discussion to get through that there's got to be a bright spot.
And Jordan, close your eyes.
Close your eyes.
jordan holmes
And they're closed!
dan friesen
Okay.
Keep them closed.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Because we got this in the mailbag.
Zip.
Everyone's crazy except you...
Yes, you can.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Everyone's crazy except you and me, and I'm not so sure about you.
jordan holmes
Truffles finally sent us the book!
dan friesen
A book by Lionel.
unidentified
Lionel!
dan friesen
America's favorite contrarian cuts loose.
So this is for you.
jordan holmes
Let me take a look at this.
Hold on.
We're going to pull up a random page.
dan friesen
Here's the note from Drufki.
Tat guys!
As I talked about in the Facebook group, my dad would get me a book every Christmas.
Because he knew I liked comedy, he would just get a book from the humor section.
Many looked horrible and were never read.
Traveling with me from house to house.
While looking through my books last weekend, I found this gem.
Do with it as you see fit.
Always felt guilty that I've never been able to give, so consider this a way too overdue way of saying thanks for the hours.
Miss you dorks!
I love Matt and Henry.
Not Erin, she doesn't understand why I listen.
jordan holmes
We love you too, Erin.
I was at your wedding, Erin!
dan friesen
So was I. Uninvited, but I was there.
jordan holmes
You were my plus one.
Alright, here's page 120 from Everyone's Crazy Except You and Me.
dan friesen
And I'm not so sure about you.
jordan holmes
This chapter is called Hate Crimes, Can You Say Tautology?
So you know it's good.
Okay, here we go.
I recall a case I prosecuted.
A home was torched because its owners were gay.
Fine.
Well, not fine, but bear with me.
dan friesen
You didn't start in the impression.
jordan holmes
I know, but now it's gotta happen.
unidentified
We charge this arsonist with, get ready, arson!
jordan holmes
First degree arson, baby!
The max!
I was fighting fire with fire, but then I was approached by one of the owners who demanded I file the case as a hate crime.
Uh, wow, this goes on for a while.
No, I think we're good.
dan friesen
He really doesn't like hate crime laws.
jordan holmes
This is going on for a while, and it's not great.
dan friesen
So we got another little thing here from Jimbo.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Hey, hello, Dan and Jordan.
Long time listener, first time writer.
I'm sorry I wasn't able to get you this before the Lionel retrospective.
You Don't Look Like You Sound is an album of Lionel from way back that includes some clips of him on WABC radio and some stand-up he did at a bar in Long Island.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here!
dan friesen
I listened to Lionel back in the early 90s in New York and was shocked to find out years later he changed from a largely apolitical jokester to full-bore right-wing loon.
I think the CD is a good example of what Jordan has said in the past.
Right-wing weirdos are mostly just failed stand-up comedians.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, those are gifts.
Thank you, Jimbo.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much, Jimbo.
dan friesen
And, Drufki, thank you for the Lionel gifts.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much, Drufki.
dan friesen
This was something that I figured, like, look, I don't even like Lionel that much.
This is all about you.
So, those are gifts for you.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Then you should take those home.
jordan holmes
I will.
dan friesen
But then I thought about it.
jordan holmes
I need to get them away from you.
dan friesen
But I thought about it, and, like, it's not really a gift for you if you've got to read the whole thing.
It's really only a gift for you if I can find the parts that are funny and play them for you.
jordan holmes
Wait, no, then it turns into work.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it's a Wacky Wednesday option.
jordan holmes
That's our job now.
dan friesen
It's a Wacky Wednesday option.
jordan holmes
That's true, that is.
dan friesen
So I think for maybe...
jordan holmes
Ooh, you should burn...
You should...
Rip the CD on your computer.
dan friesen
We'll see if there's any good stand-up in there.
jordan holmes
I think that might be a way to go.
dan friesen
I shall be giving you the CD back.
Well, I mean, certainly because I think I've exhausted most of his YouTube channel in terms of the funny stuff.
This might be exactly what we need to make the final installment of our Lionel trilogy.
jordan holmes
Some people would say that you did that halfway through our second go-around with Lionel.
dan friesen
I would say halfway through the first one.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
Because he is not funny.
jordan holmes
He's not good.
unidentified
Hey!
dan friesen
Backpacks!
So that's a lot of fun.
jordan holmes
That's a great bright spot.
unidentified
Lionel, Lionel, Lionel, Lionel.
dan friesen
So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is Dan.
I finally, or not finally, I got my partner a good gift for her birthday.
It's coming up next month.
dan friesen
Congratulations.
Happy birthday.
jordan holmes
I would give it to you, but you might be able to guess her password and then you could steal her identity.
So we can't allow that.
dan friesen
Well, I think we know some of the numbers.
jordan holmes
Which ones?
dan friesen
True.
It could be in October.
That is coming up!
jordan holmes
Yeah!
So I'm excited to give her...
Here's what I did.
I got her a good gift.
Do you know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
The way you're making your eyes look, that almost read like, expensive.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, not expensive.
This is my point.
dan friesen
I came out to be too hot.
jordan holmes
My first gift for her, her birthday, was 20th anniversary tickets to the Miss Education of Lauryn Hill concert.
She's a huge Lauryn Hill fan.
And Lauryn Hill showed up.
That was the first gift.
I'm not even going to beat that ever, Dan.
dan friesen
No, that was year one.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, I'm going to lose from there on.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're setting the bar way too high.
jordan holmes
What I got to do is maintain now.
I got to get...
Consistently good gifts.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm not going to hit 50 home runs a year.
I've got to stick with the 25 that's going to get me a good contract and a good career.
That's what I've got to do.
I can't be throwing out those big years anymore.
dan friesen
I'm going to blow out my knee.
You're like Mike Trout.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Great first season.
jordan holmes
Great first season.
And then the best baseball player in history?
Is that what you're saying?
You understand Mike Trout is the best baseball player in the history of the game.
dan friesen
I've lost track of baseball.
jordan holmes
He's the best baseball player.
That's ever been.
dan friesen
He was the rookie the last time I played fantasy baseball, and I have not checked since.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
In terms of wins above replacement, he's the best there's ever been.
dan friesen
I thought maybe he had an amazing rookie season and then turned into a good player.
Not the best.
jordan holmes
No, here's what he did.
He had an amazing rookie season, and then he worked on the holes in his game the next season and made those great.
And then the next season he worked on the other things that were a problem and made those great.
He has gotten...
dan friesen
This is why I shouldn't make references in the arenas that I don't know anything about.
So, Lauren Hill tickets.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Good rookie season.
jordan holmes
Too good.
dan friesen
Right.
Rookie of the year caliber.
jordan holmes
Amazing stuff.
Next GIF?
Way worse.
Got her sheets.
dan friesen
What kind of sheets?
jordan holmes
They were really, really nice sheets.
High thread count.
dan friesen
What fabric, Dick?
jordan holmes
No idea.
Just really, really nice ones.
dan friesen
It's not a good gift if you don't know what the fabric was.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Is it linen?
Is that the good one?
They weren't silk.
Satin might be right.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
What's good?
Is satin better than...
dan friesen
Satin's better than linen, I think.
jordan holmes
Anyways, they were very luxurious sheets, and I thought they were good.
But that's basically as I, you know...
That's like getting somebody a vacuum cleaner.
dan friesen
You guys share a bed.
jordan holmes
That's a practical gift.
dan friesen
That's a gift for you, too.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I failed.
jordan holmes
I failed miserably.
dan friesen
But then again, you got to go to Lauryn Hill with her, so...
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
That's also, that's much like the sheets, a gift you both enjoy.
jordan holmes
No, apparently I'm a fucking bad person.
I realize this.
unidentified
Selfish.
jordan holmes
I'm trying to be good.
I'm trying.
That's why I got her a gift for her.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
That's good.
dan friesen
Not great?
I know that she doesn't listen, so you could say what it is, but you shouldn't still.
No, not a chance.
Because that's spiritually against the rules of gifts.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Well, congratulations.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you what her birthday is, though.
dan friesen
Okay, hand her password.
Congratulations on finding a good gift.
jordan holmes
I'm happy.
dan friesen
That always feels good.
jordan holmes
It does.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we're going to be taking a look at September 15th, 2020.
I'm Dan, this is 2020.
unidentified
Goddammit.
dan friesen
On the Alex Jones show.
But I think that what we're going to do is we're going to take a real limited view on it.
So there's a lot.
Like, I had some expectations of what I thought I was looking around at.
Sure.
are some things that I think are actually really worth and important to discuss.
And so I'm not going to give short shrift to those things, As a whole, there's a lot that leaves a lot to be desired.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can imagine so.
dan friesen
What does not leave a lot to be desired is our very positive feelings that we have towards the people who have signed up in our sporting show.
jordan holmes
That's a great transition.
dan friesen
Thank you.
So first, Mays D., thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Mays!
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Kyle S., thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Kyle.
Thank you very much, Kyle.
Jordan was distracted by the Lionel book.
jordan holmes
No, I was looking up something that I was going to say later, but yeah, and it's just as good as you might imagine.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Alan L. You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Alan!
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next 60 seconds is too long for a theme tune.
Disagree with your name, but thank you.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
60 seconds is the right length of a tune.
dan friesen
Exactly.
Next, Stephen S. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Stephen!
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Jeremiah.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Jeremiah.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
And then John Bolton's mustache.
Thank you so much.
You're on our policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, John Bolton's mustache.
dan friesen
You can just picture that mustache hitting the keys in order to sign in for an account.
jordan holmes
It has its own hands.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
Hunt and peck, though, typing.
jordan holmes
Oh, naturally.
Yeah, yeah.
Salinger used to type like that.
dan friesen
Is that right?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's John Bolton's mustache, too.
dan friesen
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on Elevated Level.
We appreciate that very much.
So all capital letters, CAF.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Amanda B. Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Calf, and thank you so much, Amanda Bean.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoyed this show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show, we would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
Indeed you could, or you could open up Everyone's Crazy Except You and Me to a random page.
dan friesen
And I'm not so sure about you.
jordan holmes
Random page, you can pull out a random paragraph here, and let's look it over.
Look at our funeral processes!
That's the sickest thing that we still do.
Next to NASCAR.
And you can take a great joke like that, boil it down, make it something way better, and give it to a charitable organization or bail fund in your area, and it'll be a great idea.
dan friesen
That's about as smooth as it could be.
jordan holmes
And it's pretty good.
It's alright.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Jordan, today, like I said, we're going over the Tuesday episode and the 15th of September.
And I kind of expected that Alex would be in self-defense mode, in damage control mode, because the day before, on social media, Twitter, and the news, there was a conversation that was going around about a whistleblower complaint.
jordan holmes
Yeah, The Intercept released that, I believe.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it was on behalf of Project South, the Institute for the Elimination of Poverty and Genocide.
had put out a whistleblower complaint from a nurse, Don Wooten, who worked at the Irwin County Detention Center.
There's a number of interviews that they did with immigrants who had been detained, cataloging a number of Real fucked up shit.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Real Nazi shit.
dan friesen
I want to say shortcomings in healthcare, but I think that that would be almost too diplomatic of a way to put it.
jordan holmes
Understatement of the year.
dan friesen
Certainly the thing that was leading a lot of these stories was a bit of information about a particular doctor that a number of the female detainees had gone to.
who apparently seemed to have a high rate of giving people hysterectomies that was suspicious.
And some of these people who had had the procedure done seemed to be unaware or confused about why it was done.
These sorts of things are human rights issues that are staggering and horrifyingly.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I hope will be thoroughly.
You do still expect that the next day after this is a big piece of the media cycle, Alex Jones would have something to say about it.
You would think that this would be something that he would come out in front of and do damage control because there's so many intersections of Alex Jones type issues that are here that are a real problem for him.
With his ideas about the globalists wanting to sterilize people, his ideas about immigrants.
There's a lot of things that make this...
When I saw this news, I thought this was a particularly Alex Jones meatball.
Or at least something that he would...
He would need to discuss.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A Nazi doctor so evil, America would have brought him here after World War II.
dan friesen
So when this story is coming up and is of a lot of people's attention, it seems like if that's on Monday, then Tuesday's show, Alex is going to be talking about it.
jordan holmes
Gotta.
dan friesen
And so I was kind of surprised, but maybe I shouldn't be anymore, that he didn't.
Talk about it, really.
jordan holmes
Why would you?
dan friesen
It's just a whole bunch of this.
alex jones
The information you're receiving in this broadcast is the most dangerous information in the world to the anti-human forces of Satan.
This is not a drill.
This is not hyperbole.
This is not exaggeration.
This is the reality that we face.
And no matter if some of you are doubting this information now and the future, you will see it all unfold.
And you will be forced to admit there is a god, there is a devil.
You will be forced to choose a side.
The founder of Black Lives Matter has now come out and admits they are Satanists.
dan friesen
That's all coming up.
jordan holmes
Satanists.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is the leading story.
This is the head story.
Black Lives Matter admits that they worship the devil and they kill police in order to sacrifice to their demonic bloodlust.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's a ritual sacrifice.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it's, you know...
My patience wears thin, a little.
It's really hard for me to approach this because that's not even something that I'm interested in really responding to.
It's silly.
This is nonsensical.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we can't really have a discussion about the merits of any arguments whenever you're...
Automatically just invalidating one by being like, eh, they work for Satan.
Don't worry about it.
Sure, they've got good points, but they work for Satan.
You can't trust those guys.
dan friesen
It's taking things almost to an unfair playing field to automatically and incessantly yell the devil.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're the devil.
You're the devil.
dan friesen
There's not much really that, you know...
Reasonable people can do with that.
It's just like, okay, alright.
jordan holmes
You work for the literal Christian devil.
He doesn't sign my checks, so...
dan friesen
Right.
Well, I mean, like, if you want to talk about a lot of these, like, white nationalists, white identity groups, a lot of them...
To make a big deal out of worshipping the Elder Gods, like, you know, like Nordic Norse gods.
jordan holmes
No, no, I mean, sure, Odin is not necessarily appreciated by God, according to his, I don't know, he wrote down some things, told people to follow him, and one of the big ones, maybe even the first one, was, don't fuck around with Odin.
I'm paraphrasing.
dan friesen
Odin's a mess.
jordan holmes
I'm paraphrasing there.
dan friesen
But, like, what I'm saying is that, like, okay, yes, you can note that there is a preoccupation with Norse deities among some of these white supremacist groups.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
Now, if your complaint about them and what you want to talk about all the time is that they worship Odin, I think you're wasting your time.
Wow.
I think that maybe I have...
Policy differences.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
I have worldview differences with these white identity, white nationalist, white supremacist types that have nothing to do with their interest in Norse gods.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but you can't argue that because you didn't trade your eye for wisdom, now did you, Dan?
dan friesen
Right.
But if I were to do a show where I was decrying the white supremacist menace, and so much of my time was spent talking about the evils of Odin...
Like, I would expect that no one would take me seriously either.
Even though, if I were listening to a show and they kept talking about it, they were like, hey, look, we got a real problem with white supremacists, and the problem is that they have come out and admit that they worship Odin.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's an issue.
dan friesen
I wouldn't think that that show was very hard-hitting.
I don't think that I would be that interested in it.
And I really have a tough time being in a position where it's my job to listen to a dickhole.
Who just talks about fucking Satan all the time.
It's weird.
It's really weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's no good.
Can you imagine a show that is purportedly a news show?
Just being like, breaking news.
Most of the Oath Keepers worship Odin, so we don't need to worry about him.
We're good, guys.
Oh, no, no, no, they're Odin worshippers.
dan friesen
We don't have to talk about reality and reality stars because...
We worship Odin.
jordan holmes
Of course!
They're Odin worshippers.
We're doing great, by the way.
I feel like discourse, top of the heap.
dan friesen
Yeah, so it's a lot of that.
There's a lot of this in this episode.
There's a lot of rambling nonsense.
A lot of...
No conversation whatsoever about that whistleblower complaint.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, you don't want to talk about that.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Makes you look like you work for the literal Christian devil if you support those guys.
dan friesen
And when you start off your show with this, like, hey, you're going to eventually learn that there is my version of God that is good and the literal devil, which is evil, and Black Lives Matter worships Satan, and that's my top story of the day.
It just becomes a thing where it's like, all right.
I'm just gonna listen to this show and what's interesting because obviously there isn't anything that has any relationship to news.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And Thor is only like chaotic neutral at best so you can't really rely on him to join you.
dan friesen
Can't do it.
No.
So the things that I find interesting are what we're gonna be talking about on this episode.
I'm freeing myself from the shackles of actually taking seriously anything he says.
jordan holmes
I like it.
This is a good day.
dan friesen
At least for this episode.
Perhaps.
Maybe it's a manifestation of disappointment in him.
And so, the first thing that I've picked out here that Alex, I think, is interesting is that Alex is, you know, he's not blind to the world around him.
He recognizes that Matt Drudge is signaling Some dissatisfaction with Trump, and that people are noticing that.
People are noticing his choice of headlines are not towing the exact party line they always have.
And Alex notices that, and he's fine to bring it up, but also at the same time, he dares not turn on Drudge, which is weird.
alex jones
And everyone that helped promote Infowars material, like Drudge did for 15 years, changed the whole face of the world.
That's why it's hard to get mad at Drudge, who's obviously...
Supporting the other team.
When he helped get us to this point, I haven't talked to Drudge in years.
I don't know what Drudge is up to or why Drudge is doing that.
That's why I have nothing but support for Drudge because, again, just giving credit where credit's due.
Paul Watson's got a big video out on him saying what the hell happened to him.
It's a good question.
In fact, I'm going to play it later today and talk about that, but that's a side issue.
dan friesen
It's not.
It's a main issue.
And the main issue is that none of this makes sense.
Like, if Alex is to be believed, this is a war between good and the literal devil.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Matt Drudge has changed sides and is working with the literal devil.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I wish him nothing but success because he posted links to my articles in the past.
jordan holmes
Sure.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The fact that he promoted you in the past and was a main part of the Patriot team makes it hard for you to complain about him now working for the devil.
I would think it would make it much easier.
jordan holmes
I wish him the best.
unidentified
Fuck you!
jordan holmes
I really want him to have success in his future endeavors even though regardless of what I believe about his quality.
Since he's working for the other team, if he is in any way successful, the devil wins.
dan friesen
It helps the devil.
unidentified
It helps the devil.
dan friesen
And apparently Matt Drudge is super effective.
He was really helpful in platforming InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Which means he's a huge get for the devil!
unidentified
The devil's gonna be able to do a lot of stuff with Matt Drudge.
dan friesen
You should not be wishing him success, Alex.
It makes no sense.
But it does make sense when you recognize that Alex is like, maybe I'm still gonna need Drudge's clicks.
Maybe I still need some of that traffic and if I get too mad at him, he definitely isn't gonna post my dumb shit on his site anymore.
jordan holmes
Like, honestly, when this all blows over...
I'm gonna need Drudge back on my side?
Is that what he's thinking?
dan friesen
Drudge has a much larger organic fan base than I do, and I know because I can look at my statistics and I can see all of the incoming traffic that comes from Drudge, and I'm gonna still need that, so good luck working for the devil.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
Great.
It is such a bummer to live in that world, though, where it's like...
This guy that I've loved and respected and has given me a huge boost throughout my career has changed his opinion about something.
So rather than at all engage with that, he's working for the devil.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it's what you do when you don't really have any points.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good strategy, I suppose.
dan friesen
But you notice here that Alex isn't saying that, because he can't, because even that would be too much.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
He's clearly on the other side.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know what the other side means.
You think it's the devil.
jordan holmes
You know, that's funny, though.
Especially, like, think about it this way, alright?
Normally, when Alex hates something that he used to love, he throws a tantrum about it until he gets attention.
Now, we saw that work with Joe Rogan.
With Matt Drudge.
You can't say that he's a devil worshipper and then Matt Drudge is going to be like, well, let me put a couple links back on my site.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You're fucked!
dan friesen
I think that, yeah, there's a different relationship there.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
I think that Alex recognizes that Joe Rogan can boost him and what have you, but Drudge made him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He would be nowhere without Drudge.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
And I think he recognizes that on some level, and he's like, I can't...
I mean, can you imagine what it would be like if, like, 15 years of your career had largely been based on traffic that, like, attention that came from this conduit?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it would be years and years of a built-up sort of crutch, emotional crutch on this person.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It would be very difficult to then be like, well, they're working for the devil.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Even if it wasn't just like, I'm gonna need that traffic eventually in the future again, so let's not burn the bridge.
jordan holmes
Although that wasn't very hard for Galileo.
He burned those bridges of the guy who took care of him that whole time.
And then he got called worshipping the devil.
So, you know, there's a lot of parallels between Alex Jones and Galileo, maybe?
I don't know.
dan friesen
So, Alex, he believes that Black Lives Matter worship the devil, of course.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And they do these blood sacrifices and rituals in order to appease their dread god.
Naturally.
And one of the evidence pieces that he has about this is a video that someone had shot.
After those cops got shot in Compton.
And this video that he plays is supposedly Black Lives Matter celebrating the shooting.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
In reality, it's a guy who's like, they shot these dudes out here.
unidentified
This is crazy.
dan friesen
It's just a guy.
jordan holmes
That's him celebrating?
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
No indication there's any involvement with Black Lives Matter.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
And it's not about celebrating.
unidentified
It's like, whoa, they aired those people out.
dan friesen
They're like, I don't even know.
Why are we even...
It's amazing that Alex is presenting this as evidence of anything.
unidentified
No, it's the devil.
dan friesen
So he plays that stuff, and he gets kind of lost in this weird feeling of a need to dwell in vengeance fantasies.
alex jones
So these criminals have never even had a bloody nose.
Much less politically, their teeth knocked out.
And so...
They got that walking hubris of a fool, of a clown, right before it steps into oblivion.
But the fall of colossus clowns tends to take a lot of civilization with it, so this is a harbinger of destruction.
We're on the eve of destruction, make no mistake.
dan friesen
That's not saying anything.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
This is a Colossus caviar caviar calamity.
unidentified
Sure.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's just filling time with vaguely angry, slightly vengeance-filled...
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's a headline from The Sun.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Just words.
jordan holmes
Also, hold on, Sun.
Politically got their...
We've never gotten our teeth politically knocked out.
I think we got our teeth politically knocked out about as hard as they've ever been knocked out before.
Right?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There couldn't be.
I don't think.
I don't know.
dan friesen
Some people literally.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
So Alex spends a lot of time in this space, and it's stupid, and I got very, very bored listening to it.
And quite honestly, I might have called an audible and said, like, let's find some space nonsense to talk about, or, like, let's not do an episode even, because so much of this is just filling time and, like, talking about the devil.
But Alex does start talking about some stuff.
That I really think is important and that people need to know about.
And a large part of that is the way Alex conceives of his own position in the world.
And this is where it gets really fucking scary.
Whenever it's like, ah, we're fighting against the devil, it's like, okay, it's a cheat code for you not to have to have any real defensible positions, and you can just demonize your enemies and all this stuff.
But listen to the way he's painting himself into that picture.
alex jones
I've learned a lot about human nature in 46 years.
A long time ago, I'd ask God why I was being put through the things I was put through.
And God, basically in the Spirit, told me, you are being prepared for a mission.
And I'm talking about when I was like three, four years old.
jordan holmes
A mission from God.
alex jones
A lot of really interesting stuff went on.
I'll just leave it at that.
Then by the time I was about 17, I knew what it was I was supposed to do.
And I always had the deep understanding.
It's not even like a vision, it's a roadmap.
It's like you're like a machine, but you have free will.
That I am to prepare the groundwork for the big wave that's going to confront Satan and the whole AI world government system.
And that I'm one of the key people that brings in the big crop.
Like, I'm the precursor to the big one.
dan friesen
Weren't you a Satanist at 18?
jordan holmes
Just wrote down.
I just wrote that down.
I was like, if you're saying this is...
No!
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
Yeah, this doesn't match your own story.
alex jones
Yeah, come on, man.
dan friesen
But the thing that's really fucked up is the way in which he's creating himself as, like, the prophet.
Or, like, I am the most important...
I'm an important player in this, and God's been preparing me since I was three in order to play this crucial role in the battle between good and evil.
jordan holmes
He's the man who baptizes Jesus.
He's John, yeah.
dan friesen
Okay, let's say things settle down a little bit.
Let's say tensions go down a tiny bit.
Maybe a vaccine is released.
We can start to work back towards a little bit more normalcy on that front.
Maybe Biden becomes president and some of the more overt things can be scaled back.
Voices that are pushing for reform can maybe have a more sympathetic ear as opposed to someone...
jordan holmes
Maybe Biden gets elected and the real work can begin.
dan friesen
Right.
Maybe some of that happens.
Then what?
What happened to the cataclysm?
jordan holmes
That would be really bad until you realize that that means Alex saved us from the cataclysm.
dan friesen
By getting Biden elected.
jordan holmes
By getting Biden elected using the roadmap that he got when he was 17. Or three.
Or three.
Or ten.
dan friesen
One of the things that only makes...
This sort of language only makes sense if it's gearing up towards something really bad.
jordan holmes
Literally the apocalypse.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The actual, there's going to be a thousand years of God's reign after God.
dan friesen
Well, because, like Alex is saying, that this is it.
It's coming to a head.
The globalists, their plans are alive.
They're hot.
All of this is happening.
There's a train coming to your town at 100 miles an hour full of dynamite.
All this.
And I was prepared since the age of three.
And, like, well, okay, if those things don't end up happening now, what was happening since you were three?
Like, you can't go back on stuff.
I mean, I know that Alex probably can, because he's a fucking liar, and no one holds him to anything.
But, like, this is not the sort of thing that's, like, you can go back on.
This should be...
This should be endgame stuff, quite frankly, if you'll pardon the use of the term.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, I mean, in the same way that anybody who was like, the Mayan apocalypse is coming, should have been immediately tossed into a ditch whenever it didn't.
dan friesen
From a business perspective, I think a lot of them were.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Except for a couple of the most slick folks, like a David Wilcox, or those kinds of people who already had pretty entrenched brands.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But yeah, I think that did ruin a lot of folks.
jordan holmes
Well, then this should have ruined a lot of folks, too.
dan friesen
Maybe it will.
jordan holmes
Let's hope.
dan friesen
So, I think that it's really upsetting and deeply disturbing that Alex is presenting himself as this prophet that comes before this cataclysmic battle between the devil.
jordan holmes
No, psychopaths claiming that their prophets always works out well.
dan friesen
It's not good.
But, man, the devil's real.
And I want to play this clip.
I believe it's a little bit longer, but this is such a good version of what Alex is all about.
alex jones
I don't say all this to be negative, and I don't like to sit up here and say all this, but it's true.
So I can't lie to you.
The satanic forces on this planet are very real.
They're just as real as the oxygen you breathe that you can't see.
And they want to kill you.
And they want to take you away from God.
And they want your spirit to be with them, bound forever.
jordan holmes
Why?
alex jones
That's a horrific thing.
And so everybody better get right.
That doesn't mean going to one of these fake churches.
Spirit of evil is so strong in those churches because the enemy has taken them over.
You're going to find God when you pray.
Humble yourself.
And I'm just going to leave it at that.
The manifest evil we're seeing is only going to get more intense.
And there will undoubtedly come a time when the enemy is actually able to take us off air.
But they're going to end up taking everybody else off air.
That's why before you get caught in a riptide and you've been caught in one, you better get that big gulp of air before you get sucked under and it shoots you out 50 yards down the coast.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
And relax and don't fight it.
And you're going to be inside it.
So I'm going to just say this.
You'll find out the men from the boys, the women from the girls with the stuff that's happening.
You'll find out who wants to fight corruption and who wants to just kind of play games with it.
People that just can't really believe stuff's this bad.
And those are people that are childlike or immature.
They'll wake up later because you and I and others have planted the seeds.
But I'll just say this.
Your financial support is what allows us to stay on air and put out the talking points that are the most accurate out there.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, you could feel that coming the whole time.
jordan holmes
The whole way.
dan friesen
The whole way.
It was like, alright, where is the point here?
You could feel him getting ready to try and monetize these feelings that he's trying to create with this, the devil really wants your soul, the church is.
They're all like, and you know the only place who can get the real truth out these glitter bug churches?
It's, you gotta keep us on the air.
And like, who cares?
jordan holmes
Dude.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a disgraceful charade that he's engaging in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm not even mad about that.
I'm just like, fucking dude, come on!
You know you're not supposed to do that.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of gross on a marketing standpoint, and it's kind of sad from a like...
Just imagining anybody not being able to see through that kind of standpoint.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it really bums me up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But there's some things that end up being kind of funny within this sales pitch.
And one of those things is, like, Alex says, it's pretty extended.
He ends up talking about how, like, these people that work here keep forgetting that we're a radio show.
unidentified
And I'm like, oh, I wonder why.
dan friesen
You're not really on many stations, probably.
And he's like, hey, you gotta give money to our stations.
He says this a bunch, but it just seems kind of sacrilegious.
alex jones
And our other host, Owen, is amazing, and David Knight's amazing, but we've always got to remember, radio stations are picking us up.
So we have to narrate.
That's our main audience.
It's still radio.
So the platforming didn't work, thank God.
unidentified
It didn't?
alex jones
We all are great affiliates, so they are beyond critical.
They are paramount to support.
You're a listener.
unidentified
Are they?
alex jones
Does your local church really fight the Satanists?
Does it really fight abortion?
unidentified
Does it?
alex jones
Like we do?
And I'm not up here like a Pharisee saying I'm great.
Those local stations are doing God's work more than that little whorehouse church.
So give them $100 a month.
dan friesen
Okay.
It's just...
It's just a bummer.
jordan holmes
That's all I have to say.
dan friesen
Really?
So, we might be getting a little Wacky Wednesday here for a little bit.
Alex discusses some alien theories.
jordan holmes
Alright, I like it.
alex jones
Aliens could send us over the radio telescope a code to re-sequence DNA or RNA and we could build an alien here.
They made the movie Species about that.
Well, I can tell you they've taken some of the radio stuff they know is obviously not just random pulsar stars and things like that.
And they've been doing that.
Sure.
Let's talk about the reality of this.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Netflix also recommended Species to me recently.
I think I know where this narrative is coming from.
dan friesen
One time, when I was...
I don't know how old I was, but I was in school.
Young.
Maybe 13, 12, something like that.
I went to a basketball team...
Sort of party?
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
One of the team members' dad's house.
And they put on Species.
Ooh.
jordan holmes
Great party movie.
unidentified
Well...
jordan holmes
It really gets me going.
dan friesen
Here's the kind of dork I was.
I was like, this is Ray Dadar.
I'm not allowed to watch this.
And I went and sat in the other room because my parents wouldn't let me watch movies like that.
jordan holmes
You are a sweet kid.
dan friesen
I had internalized the rules.
jordan holmes
You are a sweet kid.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex probably watched Species again, and now there's aliens that are transmitting DNA to the Earth, and now we're recreating aliens.
Cool.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So there's a question that's on everybody's head, and that is that Alex still has not been on Rogan.
Which is weird.
jordan holmes
Well, that is so weird.
dan friesen
And Edward Snowden was just on again.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex is not.
jordan holmes
But Alex is...
dan friesen
It's weird.
I wonder why.
alex jones
A lot of people have asked, why aren't you on Joe Rogan yet?
Well, Joe did tell me he wanted me to be one of his first guests when he got on Spotify.
That became a huge international news issue.
And then they tried to deplatform Joe and did a whole SJW event against Joe.
jordan holmes
By giving him $100 million.
alex jones
And a whole disappearing of Joe.
They engaged in that...
What's the term they used?
jordan holmes
Giving him $100 million is the term.
alex jones
When they de-platform somebody, that's not the term they use now.
It's not called de-platforming.
It's called cancel culture.
There you go.
They attempted to cancel Joe when I made that announcement.
jordan holmes
By giving him $100 million.
Joe got cancelled with a hundred million dollars.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Talk of him moderating a fucking debate.
Cancelled.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Cancelled.
jordan holmes
Cancelled him.
Got him out of here.
dan friesen
Also, okay, so this is all nonsense and stupid.
jordan holmes
The president retweeted him or whatever dumb shit happened.
dan friesen
This is all stupid and Alex just making excuses for why Joe isn't having him on the show right now.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's all good and well, and I appreciate Alex trying to defend his ego in whatever way possible.
But let's imagine that Alex isn't making this up.
That means that Joe is so afraid of the SJW cancel brigade that he would respond to that pressure by not having his great truth-telling friend who's instrumental in fighting Satan on his show.
unidentified
He's a sneaky snake!
jordan holmes
Well, you know, he's in the neutral zone.
He's like Ireland.
He's not going to get in the fight between Satan and God.
dan friesen
Alex has said many times you're either with or against him.
There's only two.
He's a sneaky snake or he's a patriot.
One of the two.
So, Dave Joe is so afraid of the SJW brigades, which can't do anything to him now.
He has a $100 million contract with Spotify.
jordan holmes
He can't do shit.
dan friesen
They could get him kicked off YouTube!
And fine.
jordan holmes
They could get him kicked off Spotify!
He's still gonna get that fucking money, man!
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm sure there is something in his contract that protects him from all sorts of...
unidentified
You're gonna get a parachute.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You're gonna be okay.
CEOs get a billion dollars when they quit.
dan friesen
There is no cancellation here, and I understand that Alex can't possibly wrestle with the thought that maybe he's not wanted somewhere, but if Rogan wanted him on, he'd be on.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex has a guest.
This person's name is Sherry Tenpenny.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
And she's an osteopath who hates vaccines.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And there's a large interview with her, and I don't care.
It's mostly all the exact same anti-mask, anti-vaccine, corona-denialism, talking points that we've always heard.
jordan holmes
If there was an American James Bond, Tenpenny would be the receptionist or whatever, and she would absolutely spout anti-vax nonsense while American Sean Connery runs through and causes problems.
dan friesen
So I was looking for anything to hang my hat on in terms of like, oh, these aren't necessarily things we've heard Alex or these other guests say in terms of masks are bad, all this.
And this is about as close as I could get to something that was like, oh, this is a tenpenny original.
sherri j tenpenny
The social distancing, the two-meter mark, is a military thing.
And so because they can't have an individual energetic imprint of us, we're clustered together closely with a bunch of people.
And so we've got everybody's social distancing.
The first time I heard that, Alex, I was standing in the break room at my office.
I still see patients two days a week in my office.
And I was standing in the break room.
It was the first time I heard it, and I said, please tell me that this is not going to become part of our language lexicon, that we're suddenly now, this is social distancing, is going to become something we talk about and we embrace, like these masks.
And sure enough, here we are.
I mean, everybody talks about it all the time.
And it's really just this two-meter thing is being able to have an individual imprint on us for the artificial intelligence and the transhumanism things that they're moving towards.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
The two meters is the transhumanist.
dan friesen
Well, it's because they need to get energetic imprints of each of us or something, and if you're standing too close together, you can't get that.
jordan holmes
Oh, you can't get that imprint.
That makes sense.
No, that's right.
Sure, their technology is borderline infinite and they work with the devil.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But they can't figure out how to really, like, isolate a signature.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, there's that.
That's one great rebuttal.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
A second is they could follow you until you're six feet away from somebody and then snap.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's smart.
They could have one of those Google streetcars.
dan friesen
Oh, that person's six feet away.
Get them.
Get them.
jordan holmes
Just drive around.
dan friesen
If any of this were the actual issue, standing six feet apart generally in public is not...
jordan holmes
Is a real problem just the metric system there?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Two meters is a military term.
We use feet in this country.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So when she's coming in and saying that the AI and transhumanist agenda is being served by people standing six feet apart so you get individual energetic imprints of them to record or whatever, I was like, I'm not sure this is a doctor.
Yeah, the way I conceive of doctors.
jordan holmes
How do you think?
dan friesen
Well, and then she said this, and I was like, alright, whatever.
sherri j tenpenny
All the people at the top of this ladder, I mean, they're eugenicists, and I believe many of them are Satanists.
And the whole depopulation agenda is alive and well.
dan friesen
So she's talking about people who support vaccines.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, it's...
dan friesen
They're Satanists!
jordan holmes
It's hard not to really get a negative view of religion if you listen to...
This show.
dan friesen
Well, that's true, but I mean, there were good folks who happened to be Christians during the Satanic Panic who weren't all aflutter with the same things that gave such a bad name to believers.
unidentified
Totally!
dan friesen
And I think that, unfortunately, people of faith are probably gonna get a bad...
Rep off this stuff.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think the problem is, though, like, as long as you're really vague about it and a Christian and you're just like, the devil's real, you know, don't follow the devil.
Everybody's like, okay, that's fine.
But whenever you take that and then you actually put it in and you're like, the devil is here on Earth and he is the reason that we have to stay six feet away, you're like, everybody who believes in the literal devil is dumb, aren't they?
That's kind of stupid, isn't it?
dan friesen
I think that as long as we have a pretty nice ability for everyone to recognize that sincerely held beliefs to you can be metaphorically accepted by me, and we can go about our business, I think everything is fine.
It just becomes a problem when your sincerely held belief that I don't share with you is now the basis for your politics.
And your politics that disagree with mine...
Are now, the difference in our beliefs come down to the literal devil.
jordan holmes
That's a problem.
dan friesen
That is a problem, because there's no workaround for that.
jordan holmes
No, there really isn't.
At no point in the Bible is it like, God and the devil, look, it's going to be rough.
But eventually we're going to come to a kind of detente.
And sure, there's going to be a thousand years of God's reign, but then after that, we're going to kind of have like a parliamentary system.
dan friesen
Also missing from the Bible, as best I can tell, is the part where Satan is super into police reform.
I missed the chapter where Satan's really pushing hard for updating of the Voter Rights Act.
jordan holmes
Jesus, it's day 28. Look, I'm tired.
You're tired.
But let me pitch you on this.
Police reform.
unidentified
Get thee behind me, Satan!
bishop larry gaiters
Alright.
dan friesen
Anyway, this next clip, Tenpenny, she's there, and they're coming back from commercial break, and of course, there's no sound.
I only play this clip because it's interesting to catalog a new tech issue on Alex's show.
alex jones
Here they're saying, oh, it'll be an app on your phone.
You don't have to have a shot.
You just can't get on a plane, can't go to a grocery store, can't live your life.
We need to start forming the opposition to this now.
Guys, turn her up for me.
Turn her audio up for me.
Dr. Dr. Tenpenny, we lost your audio for a moment.
We're going to work on that.
It might be her, it might be us.
Go ahead, Dr. Tenpenny.
unidentified
Can you hear me now?
alex jones
I can.
Go ahead.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I guess they had her mic turned all the way down or something.
It's amazing.
It's like a new problem.
Everything clearly must have been working fine, but somebody else fucked something up there.
jordan holmes
Did they get a bunch of high school kids to work their booth?
Is that the only way they can make ends meet?
dan friesen
Could be Alex's kids.
jordan holmes
It's like a work release program.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's not good.
It's always impressive, though, and I always like to applaud whenever there's a new fuck-up.
jordan holmes
It's just somebody at a big board just, like, pressing buttons every now and again.
Just, oh, I wonder what this one says.
Oh, we can't hear her anymore.
Okay, I'll write, I'll put a little label on that one.
Turns her off.
dan friesen
Yeah, so a lot of this show is kind of boring nonsense.
Then an interview with a boring, nonsensical...
Uh, anti-vax person.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And then, uh, towards the end, Alex has, uh, Bishop Larry Gaithers back on.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And this was the dude who was the bad etymologist.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He's the guy who has all the false root words.
jordan holmes
If it rhymes, it's true, buddy.
dan friesen
Hydrogel means Satan in Greek.
jordan holmes
I love it.
I love it.
False cognate?
Nah, buddy.
That's etymology.
dan friesen
So, I'm not going to talk too much about him, but one of the things that is important to point out is on our first issue, our first episode where we encountered him, one thing that we speculated is that he was taking over for Larry Nichols as the witch guy.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And turns out, I think this is the case.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
alex jones
Bishop Larry Gators, back when Black Lives Matter got set up years ago, said they are Marxist communists, but they're really witches.
And, you know, I knew the guy was credible.
I knew a little bit of that.
But, man, he wrote a bunch about it.
I read about it.
And all of a sudden, they just emerged.
It dressed up like Lucifer and black wings.
And they talk about incantations of murder and the death of police gives them power.
And...
This demonic spirit when they're murdering innocent people, they get all excited, and then their sacrament is getting rid of the black family or any other family and killing after the testicles of men.
I mean, this is total Satanism, the end of our species.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, he's his new witch guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a witch guy.
dan friesen
So, I wanted to give him a shot.
I wanted to listen to him a little bit.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
See if he's got some witch stuff.
dan friesen
Or some words.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
Fun words.
jordan holmes
Those are fun.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And this is where I was like, ah, who cares?
bishop larry gaiters
So then, Black Lives Matter.
It's a three-fold paradigm, the manipulation of reality, the manipulation of time through the prism of the manipulation of probability.
unidentified
What's that?
bishop larry gaiters
That's Patrice Cullors, okay?
alex jones
And I'm going to get out there and look at the floor, but you said it would really be a ritual that they would soon reveal themselves and then be destroyed, and then they're now doing it.
bishop larry gaiters
Yeah.
Because through their foundation is this West African witchcraft religion called Odu Aifa, which represents the 16 points of demonic possession and infiltration of the human body.
But yet at the same time, Alex, there are 16 Black Lives Matter chapters here in the United States and in Canada.
That is not by accident.
So these three women, okay?
unidentified
We're talking about Patrisse Colors.
alex jones
Well, they now admit they say the whole thing is a ritual.
dan friesen
First of all, I love that this dude is saying that, like, Black Lives Matter controls time.
They can manipulate time.
jordan holmes
Through probability.
dan friesen
And then Alex is like, I'm going to get out of here.
Because that's exactly how I would respond.
I gotta go.
jordan holmes
Listen, I'm gonna get something to eat.
I'm gonna give you the floor, because I have to.
That's just what this show is.
dan friesen
I have to go.
jordan holmes
I gotta be not here.
I gotta be not here.
dan friesen
I cannot...
Look, I'm interested in the fact that you're saying this, but I gotta go.
jordan holmes
Did you know only 144,000 Black Lives Matter people are gonna get to heaven?
dan friesen
Well, it's interesting.
So, again, this comes down to this, like, okay...
I don't believe you, but if your complaint is that there's a West African religion involved here, I still need more.
I still need more from you than just that.
That doesn't do anything for me.
But there's 16 points of manipulation of people and there's 16...
Chapter.
He fucked up.
So if you go to the Black Lives Matter website, you can find their list of chapters, their official chapters.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And if you count the pins on the map, there's 16. Sure.
unidentified
But...
jordan holmes
Those are the cities or places where...
dan friesen
There's 17 that are listed.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And one of the...
The reason, I believe, for the error in the counting is there's an official one for Michigan, and that's not represented by a pin on the map.
unidentified
Ah.
dan friesen
So there's actually 17 chapters that are listed on their site as opposed to the 16. Are you sure the Michigan one isn't the dark chapter?
jordan holmes
There's the evil pope who's trying to...
dan friesen
But there's also tons of unofficial ones throughout the country and throughout the world.
And then also they have a portal on the website where you can apply to become an official chapter.
And I don't think that they would be doing that if they were an esoteric religion that required 16 chapters for some meaning that they have in this West African witch religion.
jordan holmes
Esoteric religions are usually really strict about those things.
dan friesen
Yeah, they wouldn't have 17 chapters on the website if it was important that they had 16. Although maybe they're trying to sneak one by the rules.
jordan holmes
Maybe their god is like, well, if you don't put it on the map, you don't gotta worry about it.
dan friesen
That would be the weirdest god.
jordan holmes
He sounds more reasonable than most.
dan friesen
That god would be...
jordan holmes
Listen, I'll bend the rules.
I'm god.
I can do it.
dan friesen
I feel like you would run afoul of those rules really quick, because they're so unstated.
Anyway...
jordan holmes
There's a lot of norms in this god that can be violated.
dan friesen
We have one last clip here, and this is just putting the icing on the cake.
Bishop Gators is now the witch guy.
unidentified
Okay.
bishop larry gaiters
These are witches, Monica.
These are witches.
unidentified
Witches.
bishop larry gaiters
And these women must be destroyed.
What Black Lives Matter has been designed is to put multiple curses and hexes upon these United States of America because they're being used by the global vial for men, Lucifer, and Beef State.
dan friesen
I gotta go.
I gotta go.
jordan holmes
Man.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's such the way that it's always...
It's always, anytime black women lead anything, that is anathema to white nationalists.
It's the worst thing in the world.
It's the worst thing in the world.
Because black women have always been the first to be right about something and then the last to benefit from it.
That has almost always been the case.
It has always been a black woman leading social justice first and then black women being the last people to benefit from it.
It's not like there weren't any black fucking suffragettes and they didn't get the right to vote.
It's that kind of bullshit that they have to go after black women.
Always.
Always.
Oh, I hate them.
dan friesen
Well, you make some compelling points, and then Bishop Gators would say they're witches.
jordan holmes
That, too, is a compelling point.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Maybe that's how they're always right first.
They can scry into the future.
dan friesen
One of the things that's incredibly difficult here is that in order to get this episode together, you know, we're recording this on Tuesday, and this is Tuesday's episode of Alex's show.
He would have a response to something that seems important, seems relevant, seems huge.
And seems like it requires a response from someone like Alex.
And I should have realized that no, it would not happen.
He would ramble about the devil.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
He would declare himself a prophet that ordained by God.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
Invalidating much of his timeline.
jordan holmes
Eh, don't worry about it.
dan friesen
And then talk to a boring anti-vax osteopath doctor and Bishop Gators would come in and call people witches.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it's...
jordan holmes
It is what it is!
There's nothing to hang your hat on with Trump.
There's just nothing, so you have to ignore it.
You have to pretend that there's a completely different reality.
dan friesen
And I honestly think that people on the right, or at least Alex's audience, must be bored of deep state stuff.
unidentified
They have to be.
dan friesen
Because that's when you go to the devil.
unidentified
You know?
Like...
jordan holmes
When the deep state ain't doing it, you gotta go to the devil.
dan friesen
When Obama's in office, it's the government.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It's the government.
It's the federal government.
There's a lot of great governments on the state level.
jordan holmes
Great governors.
Great governors.
States' rights all the way.
dan friesen
When Trump wins, and you realize, like, ah, shit, there's no excuse for why the things that we want aren't happening.
unidentified
Blue cities.
jordan holmes
Blue states.
dan friesen
There's stay-behind networks in the government, and the globalists are actually in charge of the deep state, which has been the government all along.
Oh, but we're kind of bored of that.
It's the devil.
They're all working for the devil.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
I don't know what the next step would be, though.
jordan holmes
The super devil.
I don't know.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You can't go up from the devil.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Unless they're...
Unless...
All right.
You only have one notch to go up from the devil.
dan friesen
Don DeMello?
jordan holmes
God.
Oh.
Also, yes, that's very funny.
Maybe it turns...
Here's what you do.
Here's what you do if you're Alex.
You say, actually, God has turned against us.
We have to fight God and the devil.
dan friesen
I don't think that Alex would be able to sell that.
jordan holmes
Probably not.
That's a tougher sell.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We need to...
We need to defeat God is a tough sell.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I find it somewhat interesting to watch this progression that he's on, where everybody is the devil.
Everybody's working for the devil.
I am a prophet.
God told me at the age of three that I would be important in bringing about the standing against the devil.
It's interesting in a sense, because I do think that these are the sorts of things you would expect to see in somebody before something really bad.
Like, you know, if we were making a...
documentary about Alex Jones, and this happened right before some kind of an intense flame-out, you wouldn't be surprised if that was the arc of the documentary.
jordan holmes
Totally not.
dan friesen
But because we're recording this on September 15th, the same day as these sorts of things are being said, it's like, hey, it's equally likely that this is a prelude to something bad as it is to him trying to sell you emergency food six months from now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, every moment he doesn't explode is edging.
It's just edging, you know?
unidentified
A little bit.
jordan holmes
It's like, you're going to just do it!
dan friesen
Well, it's somewhat that if you allow it to be, and sometimes I admit I allow myself to get drawn into that.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But it's just because he's behaving in the ways that typically are indicative of that.
And it's tough.
It's tough.
It's interesting to watch, but it's also incredibly uninteresting to listen to Tenpenny and Gators.
unidentified
It is.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
It is a paradox.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Let's listen to some calls before we get out of here.
jordan holmes
That sounds great.
unidentified
Hey, cat guys.
This is Josiah calling from the Austin Greenbelt, which appears to be free of the oppressive sum of teenage lifeguards.
Thought I'd share a story with you guys to lift your spirits from present-day Alex.
I, as an Austin native, have a friend down here who happens to...
Have children attending a school district.
They were attending a school play a couple years ago, and they reached out to me afterwards, because apparently, at some point during this play, very near the beginning, they heard someone heckle the small elementary school children on stage.
They started pretty much right off the bat, yelling things like, you know, what kind of tree is that?
Sitting down?
Is that a sitting tree?
And other, while not crass, very direct insults towards the professional child actors on stage.
They apparently continued this for most of the play before someone in between them got up, and they noticed it was a certain sick-necked individual who had allegedly been drinking and allegedly been heckling children at a school play.
So I just thought that would be a nice break from present-day Alex's religiosity.
And I wanted to weigh in on the very hot debate Dan keeps bringing up about Five Iron Frenzy and say that they hold up.
Hold up pretty well.
Thanks for all you do, guys, and yeah.
dan friesen
A lot.
A lot there.
jordan holmes
I was waiting for him to say, it's Quokka.
unidentified
Quokka.
dan friesen
Five Iron Frenzy does hold up.
Thank you for validating that opinion.
Also, I mean, like, look.
Obviously, this is one person's story, and we can't take it as proven.
But if Alex did drunkenly heckle a child performance, I would not be surprised.
jordan holmes
No, not at all.
dan friesen
That checks out in terms of what I would assume he behaves like.
jordan holmes
That sounds like an SNL sketch.
A sketch?
A sketch.
That's a little Mike Sheehan for you.
Somebody, your child is at a play, you're watching them, and somebody just won't stop being an asshole behind you, and you just get so fed up, you're like, finally!
You stand up, you turn around, and it's Alex Jones, and you're like, God damn it!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is not fair!
dan friesen
No.
It would be surreal.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It'd be like, oh.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
All right.
You kind of have to be like, I mean...
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're doing you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I should have expected...
This is, you know...
dan friesen
What are you going to do when an asshole B is an asshole?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now we know what to do.
Always carry a tiny bullhorn with you.
Bullhorn him down.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Tyranny slapper one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also good to know that the green belt is free of the lifeguards.
I got a good...
jordan holmes
They're in the forest.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They're in the trees.
Always be aware.
dan friesen
Also...
jordan holmes
Teenagers are behind you.
dan friesen
Also, this reminded me of another thing.
Very unimportant.
But you could hear a bird in the background of that call.
You know, Tenpenny.
You could also hear a bird in the background during her interview.
It was driving me crazy.
This bird wouldn't shut up.
jordan holmes
I just love professionalism so much, Dan.
dan friesen
Just bird.
Anyway.
unidentified
Hey, tat guys.
This is Rose, a tat gal, I suppose, since I do have a couple tattoos.
But anyway, I was calling because in one of Dan's many bright spots about plants...
He mentioned how awesome it is to put something in the ground as a seed, and then it turns out it grows up into this huge plant.
And I'm not very good at growing plants, but the other night I was sitting there petting my cat and thinking about how I've only ever had adult cats, and she's the first cat I got as a kitten.
And when I first got her, she was this tiny little seed kitten.
And she would be scared and hide under my bed.
And all I had to do was give her some water and some sunshine and some food and let her grow.
And she's turned into this amazing, big, beautiful, fully grown adult huntress cat.
And I just wanted to say thanks for that new perspective and how incredible it is to be a part of something, you know, watch something grow.
Anyway, thanks for the show.
I appreciate all the work you put into it.
Dan, don't be so hard on yourself if you have to miss an episode.
We all gotta take our days.
You deserve it.
And thanks, guys.
Take it easy.
Bye.
dan friesen
I reserve the right to remain hard on myself.
But also, I just imagine...
Anybody with kids hearing either my perspective or hers?
You jackals with your plants and your cat.
jordan holmes
My shit talks!
dan friesen
I imagine that that is how people feel about their offspring to some extent.
You see it as a little baby and then it grows into a child and then an adult.
It's kind of the same thing with plants and pets if you don't ever have kids.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, my wonderful Westie, Fanny, we watched her grow from a puppy into a fussy old lady, and it did not take long.
I think that's my favorite part about having dogs, is they just turn really grumpy and sleepy really quick.
That's what I would want for my kids.
I would want, like, a five-year-old grumpy kid who just sleeps all the time.
dan friesen
I think you could get that, you know, I think they're pretty grumpy pretty early.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
That's what I understand.
jordan holmes
I know mine would be.
dan friesen
My plants are grumpy.
unidentified
No, they're not.
dan friesen
But yeah, it is something.
jordan holmes
It's beautiful.
It really is.
dan friesen
And you know another thing that is the, like, what sort of we're touching on, me and Rose both, is this, you know, it's tough to recognize.
jordan holmes
Rose both.
dan friesen
It's tough to recognize it as you're a part of it.
You know, like, these plants, they look different to you than they do to me, because I see them every day.
And, you know, you see maybe, like, every few days, and, like, there might be a jump.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I have a certain time lapse kind of to it, yeah.
dan friesen
And it's harder when you're, you know, with a cat the entire time, or with a plant the entire time, to recognize the...
The changes.
And it's important to take a step back and, you know, appreciate.
jordan holmes
Totally.
No, it is, you know, my nieces have gotten very big, very quick.
And you're like, I haven't seen you in a year, and you're tall.
What's wrong with you?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's how I'm not good at family.
No.
dan friesen
Next call!
unidentified
Hi, Dan and Jordan.
My name is Mathis.
My son is your day then.
I wanted to let you know that I often listen to your podcast while I'm in my garden.
And when hearing about Dan's intent to start the season of the vine, I thought I would let him know that actually passion fruit vines are pretty easy to grow.
I have one out here in Texas and it's like pretty low maintenance.
I just kind of let it grow on my fence and it gets hit with the water from my sprinkler and it's fine.
And it has like these really beautiful interesting flowers.
And it's great for attracting butterflies.
So, yeah, that's kind of just all I wanted to say.
I hope you're having a good day.
Thanks.
dan friesen
Thank you.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
It's pronounced butterfly.
I'm very happy to have just a call-in plant show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're having a great time.
dan friesen
I don't know if I brought this up on the show or not, but I actually did get a passion fruit vine.
unidentified
Did you?
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I know that.
dan friesen
I have the, like, it's a...
jordan holmes
Why am I always like, oh, really?
dan friesen
Well, it's like, you know, a clipping or whatever that's going to grow into a vine.
But I, yeah, I have, that's one of the year of the vine.
Yes, yes, of course.
Things, because the passion fruit flower is one of the coolest looking weird alien ass flowers I've ever seen.
If anybody out there listening hasn't seen a passion fruit flower, Google that shit.
They look weird.
And yeah, I think, I mean, they take a long time to grow into fruiting or flowering.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
So I got a good year or two before any of that.
But I've begun on a passion fruit vine.
So that's very exciting.
jordan holmes
I'm looking forward to time-lapsing that into the future.
That'll be great.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
All right, Dan and Jordan, it's Callum from Edinburgh.
I just wanted to give you a quick call, love the show obviously, heard a lot from the Aussies but not heard a lot from the Brits on the Answer Phone, but there you go.
One of the I did name a Dungeons& Dragons character Wolfgang Halbig.
in about March and we're still playing the campaign and I regret it I regret it quite a lot he originally shared about conspiracy theories and then had a whole religious conversion to a new faith and deity it's a whole thing if you want I can get my DM to send you his novel series that he'll eventually write speaking of which love Jordan's book Oh, thank you!
The cats are bugging me right now.
Dan knows what it's like.
But, you know, please don't kill Sully.
We all like her.
dan friesen
I promise I won't kill Sully.
jordan holmes
Whoa, whoa, whoa, that escalated.
dan friesen
I made a joke about that.
unidentified
I know.
dan friesen
I will not.
I will not have a hair on her head.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
It's pronounced Quokka.
jordan holmes
I like that he says Brits, because if you're from Scotland, that probably won't be part of your name for that much longer.
You're gonna be a Scott again real soon.
dan friesen
The thing that he brought up, too, about the caller who wanted cat names.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
As soon as we stopped recording, I realized Meow Zagami.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
I mean, she shouldn't name the cat that.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
That would have been the pun.
Meow Zagami.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Leo Zagam-yow.
dan friesen
I think mine's better.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think so too.
dan friesen
Anyway, that brings us to the end of this episode.
It's a little bit shorter, Jordan, but I think that I got my back put against the wall expecting Alex to respond or talk about a certain bit of news and then instead he just rambled about the devil and try as I might, I cannot disprove the devil and I cannot engage with that in any critical sense other than to say like, well, this guy believes that he is a pillar.
of God's chosen team fighting the devil, literally, that is manifest in the bodies of people who are trying to push for greater social equity.
jordan holmes
Yeah, once you're stuck at turtles all the way down, there's really nowhere to go from there.
dan friesen
It's tough.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's tough.
But I will say that I'm hopeful that on Friday we'll be back with something...
Not as disappointing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Something that has a little bit more juice to it.
Yeah, let's hope.
But we will be back then.
Until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledgefight and I go to bed, Jordan.
dan friesen
Yep, we are also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we are on Facebook.
It's down to show iTunes.
And if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out those doing God's work right now.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZXClark, I'm Daryl Rundis.
I have forgotten that Alex is a radio show.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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