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Aug. 3, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
01:29:55
#464: July 31-August 1, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss the end of the past week on The Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex warns of imminent "antifa terrorist attacks" that never ended up happening, and signs off on Steve Pieczenik saying that America is a business and that liberty is nonsense.

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Main voices
a
alex jones
13:25
d
dan friesen
50:31
j
jordan holmes
17:24
Appearances
d
del bigtree
01:03
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steve pieczenik
04:55
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need, I need money.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your room.
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around and drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, and DBR, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
Well, Lay's potato chips, my friend.
jordan holmes
Lay's potato chips.
dan friesen
Well, you know, I'm a guy who likes novelty flavors of things.
jordan holmes
You like a novelty flavor.
dan friesen
I was able to find a couple of new varieties of Lay's chips.
I bought two flavors.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I've not tried the New York pizza one yet.
Mostly out of fear.
jordan holmes
Is it...
Is it thinner than the Chicago pizza one?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Yeah, it's a smaller bag.
Yeah, okay.
But I have tried the Nashville hot chicken flavor.
jordan holmes
Yes, you gave me a chip!
dan friesen
And it is shockingly accurate.
jordan holmes
Dead on.
dan friesen
It tastes really dead on.
Very similar.
jordan holmes
It freaked me out when I had one.
dan friesen
I don't like it.
jordan holmes
You told me you liked it the best time!
dan friesen
I did it first.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I did it first, and then I ate more of them, and I stopped liking them.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
I think it's too much.
The flavor's good, but it's too much as a chip.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I still consider it a bright spot because I admire the accuracy of the flavor and swinging for it.
jordan holmes
I agree.
I agree.
dan friesen
So we'll see how it goes with the pizza one.
But good job, Blaze.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
When you gave me one, I was like, this takes exactly like Nashville Hot.
And this was a great chip.
And I never want to eat another one for the rest of my life.
dan friesen
Check it off the box.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
I did it.
dan friesen
What about you?
jordan holmes
For me, my bright spot is I got to spend a little time with my family today, and we went to a place where it's like bowling, but it's golf.
You know, you get your own little lane.
dan friesen
Mini golf?
jordan holmes
And then, kind of, but you try and hit these targets.
You know, you aim for these big, yeah, basically frisbee golf.
dan friesen
But with actual putting?
jordan holmes
But with golf.
No, not putting.
Like hitting the ball with the other class.
dan friesen
So it's like frisbee golf, but golf.
unidentified
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Weird.
jordan holmes
Really, really terrible.
I hate golf.
But, you know, there was interesting parts of it.
They gamified a terrible game.
And, yeah, it was alright.
dan friesen
That sounds fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they were there.
Everybody was talking.
The music was loud.
It was wonderful.
dan friesen
Hey, good times.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was great.
dan friesen
Alright.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting little bit of time to talk about.
Today we're going to be going over the July 31st and August 1st, 2020 episodes of the Alex Jones Show.
I'm Dan, this is 2020.
August 1st, if you'll recognize, is a Saturday.
Alex did an emergency Saturday episode.
jordan holmes
Emergency Saturday episode.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And I was planning on ignoring Friday.
I was planning on ignoring all this, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would be smart.
dan friesen
Things get pretty serious.
Alex has some pretty serious news that he has to deliver.
And it's a lot of nonsense, and it took a pretty long time, but I was able to figure out what was going on here.
But before we get down to business on this episode, Jordan, we're going to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
So first...
Futigue.
F-U-T-T-I-G-U-E.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Futigue.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
Next, Jacob with a K, non-biblical.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Jacob.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Evan H. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Evan.
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Matt R. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Matt.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Keeley.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Keeley!
dan friesen
Next, Kimberly G. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Kim.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, oh, you'll like this one.
Dunabomber.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Dunabomber.
I have a lot of thoughts about your manifesto.
dan friesen
Let's save it for a party.
All right.
Finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on an elevated level.
Appreciate that very much.
So first, KC2TOO.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
Alicia R. Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Will K. Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare...
Infowar on you!
dan friesen
Thank you so much, KC2!
Thank you so much, Alicia!
And thank you so much, Will!
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much, all of you!
dan friesen
If you're thinking, hey, I enjoyed the show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show, and we would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
That would be wonderful.
dan friesen
Or you could take that generosity...
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Put it in a bindle.
unidentified
How about that?
jordan holmes
Put it in a bindle.
dan friesen
Alright.
jordan holmes
Tie it to a little stick.
Walk on over to your nearest charity outpost because this is the 1910s apparently.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Walk on over there.
Drop that bindle and give people some goodwill.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I think that's a great way to go.
dan friesen
I like it, although I was distracted because anytime I hear the word bindle, I can't help but think of a friend of mine from Missouri who described, like, sort of poser, bohemian types.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Walking around with a motherfucking Kindle in a bindle.
jordan holmes
No, that's not bad.
dan friesen
Damn.
jordan holmes
That is a good line.
That is a good line.
dan friesen
Yeah, that stuck with me for years.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today...
We're gonna be getting into some business.
Alex is declaring...
Some news that now, being as we're recording this on Sunday afternoon, evening, we know did not happen.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And so we'll get to some of that falsifiable stuff.
But I thought that we should do something we don't do very often, and that is follow up on some other stories that Alex has recently reported on where he got them completely wrong.
jordan holmes
All right, I like this.
dan friesen
I feel like there might be some value in beginning this episode today by taking a look at a couple of stories from the past week or so that he covered and made completely unfounded assertions about.
Which have turned out to be complete nonsense.
The first story I'm going to check in on was the Twitter hack that happened a little while back, where verified accounts like Obama and Elon Musk, they had their accounts taken over, and they were used to run a Bitcoin scam.
Back on July 17th, Alex covered the story, and this is how he presented it.
alex jones
When the Twitter hack happened, I recognized it was a message right away about who got hit.
Clearly, the Bitcoin scam was just a cover for who was really behind it, what was going on, and you better believe it's patriots inside U.S. intelligence agencies.
dan friesen
On July 31st, NBC8 out of Tampa reported on the arrest of a 17-year-old Floridian dude named Graham Clark, who is accused of masterminding the hack.
From the article, quote, Okay, so what did he do wrong?
Well, Clark was one of three suspected individuals in the scheme, the others being a 22-year-old named Nima Fazeli, aka Alright, I'm on their team so far.
I feel like they're the ones who've committed the crime.
Quote, Clark used social engineering to convince a Twitter employee that he was a co-worker in the IT department and had the employee provide credentials to access the customer service portal.
From the appearances of the information that's come out about this investigation so far, it looks like an almost impossible...
Impressively simple scam and one that is nuts to think actually worked.
There's no evidence to support Alex's fabricated coverage of the story.
But honestly, the other story he's lied about is much worse.
OK, on July 25th, protester Garrett Foster was shot and killed in Austin.
Alex has falsely reported on the story in order to justify Foster's killing, and that's awful.
The thing I want to focus on, however, is what Alex said on the July 30th show about the identity of the person who shot Foster.
alex jones
They have armed vehicles going around with men in pickup trucks, stopping traffic in downtown Austin, other areas, pointing guns at people, and the police are being told to stand down.
One man who kept doing this in front of police headquarters in front of the city council was shot dead last weekend when he pulled a gun on.
A man in his car while they had it blocked off and the man was pointing an AK-47 at the innocent citizen.
We still don't know the man's name who turned himself into police and was released.
Probably not white is the reason that they're not releasing the information.
He's going to make it about race war.
dan friesen
This is a very standard trick of white supremacist and white nationalist commentators.
Whenever there's a crime committed and the identity of the perpetrator is not announced, it's a default position for them to insist that it has to be because the perpetrator is a non-white person, and that doesn't fit the narrative that the media wants to push.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
This itself is a narrative that these racists want to push, namely that there's a cover-up of crimes being committed by minorities, which is part of the intentional plan to demonize white people.
You see this all over the white identity spectrum, and no matter how many times their speculation is wrong, they never stop pulling this move.
jordan holmes
Eh, why would you stop?
dan friesen
On July 31st, the man who shot Garrett Foster identified himself.
His name is Daniel Perry.
He is an active duty sergeant in the U.S. Army stationed at Fort Hood.
He claims that he shot Foster in self-defense and that Foster pointed his rifle at him.
Alex has made this claim, but the evidence that I've seen provided doesn't seem to support this argument, namely that he pointed his rifle at Perry.
If that is the case, he definitely shouldn't have done that, but I do think the argument of self-defense becomes a little bit murky when prior to the alleged self-defense you drove your car into a crowd of people.
It could easily be argued, it seems to me, that if Foster did point his gun at the car, that could be an act of self-defense in defense of the people who could have been run over.
I don't think this case is as cut and dry as to hinge on whether or not Foster pointed his gun at the car, as if that determines whether it was okay to shoot him or not.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Whoever lives was the one who acted in self-defense.
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
I don't think it's that simple, and I don't think, like, even if there were to be evidence that he had his rifle raised, it justifies shooting him once you've already reached that point.
jordan holmes
You know, if I was holding a rifle and a car was barreling towards me through a bunch of other people right at me, I would probably throw the rifle away and apologize gracefully.
That sounds right.
dan friesen
I don't know, and I think there will be some more information, and we'll see at that point.
From everything I can tell, it was absolutely wrong for Perry to shoot Foster, and it was further wrong for Perry to drive into a crowd of protesters.
When I say more information will come out, what I mean is I don't know how the law will see it, and how the investigation itself will shake out.
I can't make a prediction on that front.
Our show is about Alex and his coverage, though, so it should be pointed out that Daniel Perry is a white dude.
He's a 33-year-old white dude in the army.
So Alex's speculation was completely baseless, and actually, it's just the product of his editorial position that's based in racism and white identity.
It was more important for Alex to push the notion that there's a cover-up of minority-involved crime to his audience than it was to deal with the story on its merits and through the lens of reality.
It should be mentioned that Daniel Perry almost certainly only identified himself on Friday because certain protest communities online had figured out who he was, and they were posting his name.
It wasn't too hard to identify him, though, since he was in his car, which has license plates.
Perry tried to delete his social media, but people had already taken screenshots of things like him responding to a June 19th tweet that Trump had put out saying, quote, To that tweet, Perry replied, quote, Send them to Texas.
We'll show them why we say don't mess with Texas.
jordan holmes
Odd.
dan friesen
There's some other pretty strong indications that have been dug up that he harbored some violent inclinations toward protesters and support for Trump, which calls into question his intentions when driving into a march of protesters.
I'll wait until there's more concrete information on this to make a more complete determination, but from the information I can find, it's hard to not feel like this guy should be at least tried for murder.
Whether or not convicted...
Probably should see the inside of a courtroom.
jordan holmes
Now, the tweet sounds bad from the angle, but maybe he was just referencing the original meaning of the slogan, don't mess with Texas.
dan friesen
The litter thing?
jordan holmes
Don't litter.
He was like, send all these protesters to Texas and we'll teach them not to litter.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I think he's a great guy.
dan friesen
Oh, I mean murderer.
jordan holmes
Never mind.
dan friesen
The larger point here, and the one that I want to make, is that Alex tried to pretend that the shooter was secretly a non-white person, so the media was covering up his identity.
The shooter was a white army sergeant who seems to share some of the political beliefs that Alex espouses regularly.
And I have to say I'm shocked.
So we start here on the 31st, which is Friday.
And, man, you know how, like, I don't know, if you're a band and you have one hit...
You better open your fucking show with that hit.
jordan holmes
Or close it.
Or open and close it with the encore.
dan friesen
Yes, totally.
Alex is the same thing, man.
alex jones
By the way, there's so much huge news, and I have trouble even dealing with it.
I was shown secret documents yesterday by APD that I'm not allowed to show you on air.
jordan holmes
Convenient.
alex jones
About how this Saturday they're planning to take over the police station and burn it down.
They're actually trafficking this at meetings from the Democrats.
I mean, hell, the city councilors are going to blow it up, blow up the police station.
Hell, that's public.
And now they're going to have overwatch snipers all over on top of parking garages that they're planning to shoot police and citizens if anyone stops antifa.
I'm not kidding.
So you're going to have UT Tower shootings this weekend, I guess.
dan friesen
So, Alex at least got to the story almost immediately after saying, I'm having trouble getting to the...
I have such huge news, I can't really get to it.
jordan holmes
Never get to it.
Anyways, I got some secret documents.
Here's the news.
dan friesen
Right.
Secret documents say that Antifa is going to set up roadblocks and snipers and all this.
But this weekend...
jordan holmes
As somebody who is here on Sunday, I can tell you that, unfortunately, Austin has been taken over by the nebulous...
Antifa.
dan friesen
At press time, it is not.
And actually, I know what he's talking about now, but you would never know if you just listened to the 31st.
You have to listen or dig into it.
You have to listen to his show on Saturday or go down an insane rabbit hole in order to figure out what he's talking about.
At this point, you couldn't tell.
You wouldn't be able to tell just from this show.
But apparently, this weekend, the plan...
Is that Antifa is going to take over six police stations around the country.
jordan holmes
They're going to occupy them?
dan friesen
Yes.
alex jones
From coast to coast, from border to border, from sea to shining sea, the deep state globalist controlled Democrats are planning this weekend the takeover of at least six more city police departments.
Starting with an attack plan this Saturday night.
Now, us exposing this may have them back down.
Maybe you'll say, oh, fake news from Jones, but you've already seen the takeover police departments.
dan friesen
Isn't it fun how this is now all of a sudden completely non-falsifiable?
We can be here on Sunday and be like, haha, none of this happened, but Alex will just say, oh yeah, it's because I talked about it.
We're the heroes here coming out here and publicizing this.
What a week.
jordan holmes
Warring bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, this whole thing is just, it's a trick.
It's a parlor trick.
You might as well be asking you what your card is.
Reporting on this kind of news where it's like, Antifa is going to take over six police stations this weekend.
We have secret deep inside sources and documentation, but it probably isn't going to happen because I'm saying it.
jordan holmes
Right.
I think the thing that most people...
dan friesen
Schrodinger's revolution.
jordan holmes
I think the thing that most people don't get about fascist propaganda...
Is that it's also an act of permission.
Because no matter, like the TV media, they jerk off to violent protests.
That's what they want.
They don't go to peaceful protests.
They don't go to the millions of peaceful protests that happen all the time.
They go to the violent protests.
So they're portraying protesters as violent.
The right-wing fascist propaganda is portraying and even insisting that protesters are violent.
Protesters don't have a win here, so you get permission.
dan friesen
Fuck them up!
Yeah, there's that element to it.
But even beyond it being permission, too, it's a trick.
Totally.
It's an absolute trick.
There's nothing that can be done with the way Alex is reporting here.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
No matter what happens the next day, at the end of the weekend, he has a narrative that he can move forward with.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And that's just a dumb game.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's three-card money.
You're not going to win.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Okay, nothing happens.
I stopped it.
jordan holmes
I stopped it.
dan friesen
Something happened.
I told you.
jordan holmes
Told you so.
dan friesen
And it's something that is completely unrelated to what he's saying is going to happen.
It happens like, oh, they changed the plan.
jordan holmes
They had to change the plan.
dan friesen
Exactly.
It doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
Again, three card money.
dan friesen
Yeah.
They might as well be saying nothing or they're going to nuke a city.
unidentified
Oh, wait.
dan friesen
He always does say that.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How was Chicago doing?
dan friesen
Oh, nuked.
jordan holmes
Oh, goddammit.
dan friesen
So anyway, there's secret documents.
jordan holmes
From the APD.
dan friesen
And you should be very...
alex jones
I have been shown by the APD, they have asked that we not actually show the documents themselves, because you can tell what unit and groups they are, but the police think you have a right to know about this.
They have overwatch already with Antifa in apartments, in high-rises, on balconies, but mainly in parking garages, like their Army Special Operations Command or something.
And they are going to have men in pickup trucks that are already out there practicing setting up checkpoints, shutting down roads, and ordering people to roll down their windows and pledge allegiance to Antifa, like this individual was doing a week ago who got shot and killed downtown.
jordan holmes
Antifa, famous for pledges.
alex jones
Sergeant who was doing his second job, drive share, food delivery.
Rideshare and food delivery.
They're now saying to witnesses that he indeed did aim a gun at him, so the army sergeant shot him five times in the chest to protect his own life.
dan friesen
So now Alex has learned who the shooter was in the Austin situation, and instead of being like, hey, sorry I speculated that it was a non-white person and there's a racist conspiracy to cover up.
Crimes being done by non-white people.
Sorry that I played into that racist trope.
That was really inappropriate.
Turns out it was just self-defense.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
So that'll be the new narrative is just like complete self-defense argument because he found out, oh, it's a white guy who's in the army and has right-wing beliefs.
Oh, of course.
jordan holmes
You know, it's great to see Alex really supporting a member of the United States military murdering a civilian.
If Obama's military had done that, I'm sure he would feel the same way about that self-defense.
Well, I mean, if he had right-wing beliefs, he probably would.
dan friesen
So anyway, big false flags coming, my man.
jordan holmes
Sure, of course.
alex jones
And so this is the type of time you're going to see bigger false flag event type things happen.
But I can tell you right now, ladies and gentlemen, that Communist forces, that's what Antifa is, in the Soros-funded, Democrat-party-funded combine, are planning assaults on new police stations and federal buildings tonight all across the United States.
And when the Austin police bring photos and video of this to the mayor's office, they are told, you are to stand down.
I've seen the photos.
I've seen the videos.
I've seen the internal memorandums.
This is happening for sure.
dan friesen
Well, didn't.
Are you sure?
Yep.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I do like the image of this cop walking into the mayor's office.
The mayor will be like, you stand down.
These are our communist foot soldiers.
jordan holmes
I really imagine him kicking the door in, right?
He's gotta kick the door in.
dan friesen
You, sir.
jordan holmes
You!
How dare you!
dan friesen
How dare you!
jordan holmes
You pledge allegiance to Antifa!
dan friesen
I will not.
jordan holmes
What's the pledge of allegiance to Antifa?
dan friesen
Just one tear rolling down the cop's edge, taking off his badge.
Setting it on the desk.
jordan holmes
Don't mess with Texas.
dan friesen
Bunch of nonsense.
Anyway, it didn't happen, so I guess Alex stopped it.
But, like, Alex has got this information, and apparently everyone else has got it, too.
All the other media has gotten this.
alex jones
And the rest of the press is being given this information.
Of course, they're not reporting it because they're little toadies, and, well, after all, the cops deserve to be shot in the back of the head, and the police station deserves to be blown up.
It's in the official city council budget to...
Bomb with a controlled demolition as a symbol of stopping police hate.
So, I mean, if they're publicly saying in the city council, blow up the police station, what do you think's going on?
So there's going to be a back-to-blue demonstration this Saturday.
I think Owen and Savannah Hernandez are going to be going.
I don't want to go and overshadow it because it's not my opinion.
I'll be rolling around.
dan friesen
I don't want to overshadow this by showing up in a tank.
Yeah, good call, Alex.
Good call, you dick.
jordan holmes
What a fucking asshole.
dan friesen
I do love the image that Alex is trying to present of the city council.
You know what they did?
They decided they were going to blow up the police.
jordan holmes
With a controlled demolition.
dan friesen
Right, right.
But he still is presenting it as sort of this sort of...
Weatherman style.
jordan holmes
They're not going to do one of those implosions where it all falls down in a reasonable manner.
It's going to be a big mushroom cloud covering all over Austin.
It's going to happen.
dan friesen
He's editorializing a little bit about this suggestion.
We talked about that on the last episode, so we don't need to get too deep into that again.
In this next clip, Alex explains the cities that are going to be targeted by this Antifa attack that he has secret documents all about.
alex jones
This is the time for all good men and women to come to the end of their country.
And so wherever you are around the country, but if you're in Milwaukee, or you're in Austin, Texas, or you're in Phoenix, Arizona, or you are in Los Angeles, California, or you're in New York City, or you're in Miami.
jordan holmes
Phoenix, huh?
alex jones
These are some of the towns that Antifa says they're going to take over the police stations and burn them down Saturday night.
And as you've seen, they've done it all over the country, so you should probably take them at their word.
Past behavior is the most indicative of future behavior.
Past performance is the most indicative of future behavior.
dan friesen
Don't say that, Alex.
jordan holmes
Are you Dr. Phil?
Is Alex a Dr. Phil guy?
What is happening?
dan friesen
I mean, look.
If Alex wants the standard to be past behavior is indicative of future performance, I have a bad track record for him to live up to.
unidentified
Yeah, well...
dan friesen
His past performance has been sloppy.
jordan holmes
It's not good.
dan friesen
It's pretty bad.
jordan holmes
It's not good.
dan friesen
And I think that's an indicator of future competence.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So all the cities did not have police stations burned down over the weekend.
jordan holmes
That actually kind of bums me out.
dan friesen
But you know what's pretty amazing?
This shows how good Alex is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because, like, he not only stopped the takeover of Austin.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Phoenix.
unidentified
Countrywide.
jordan holmes
Miami.
Countrywide.
dan friesen
All of these cities.
Minneapolis, do you say?
Milwaukee.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
But I think he probably meant Minneapolis.
Yeah.
dan friesen
He stopped all of those places from having Antifa uprisings.
And I, for one...
I obviously am on the side of these Antifa communist Soros brigaders, but I still gotta tip my hat to them.
jordan holmes
If your influence in seven states is still big enough to stop some bombings, that's great work.
dan friesen
Well done.
jordan holmes
That's great work.
dan friesen
So we'll get back to this, because this is a big narrative, and it took forever to figure out what he was talking about and what the reality of it is.
But for now, we have to jump off this, because on Friday it was also announced, That a lot of those Ghislaine Maxwell documents were going to be released.
And my big position on this that I want to really stress is that I don't respect Alex's coverage of the Epstein story.
And I refuse to dignify it with any actual discussion.
jordan holmes
Very smart.
dan friesen
Because I find that what he does is so distasteful and disgusting.
And I don't care what his position is.
It will never be valid, and it will never be any kind of information that an actual source could not provide for you.
And so I don't care.
But there is something interesting that comes up that is...
It's a big swing.
jordan holmes
Is he still going with Jizz Lane?
dan friesen
Yeah, yes.
jordan holmes
Okay, great.
dan friesen
And Steve Pachanek shows up later and he calls her Giselle.
All right, whatever.
jordan holmes
All right, Tom Brady's wife.
alex jones
Everybody's wanting me to comment on these FBI documents and the judge order release.
We already know all this.
Donald Trump was a confidential informant that exposed that Epstein was screwing a bunch of little kids and black people.
unidentified
He's a CIA!
jordan holmes
Right now!
alex jones
The FBI tried to set Trump up.
That is the Clinton-Obama run FBI.
It's all in the news now.
jordan holmes
All of it.
alex jones
And they tried to rebrand it and say it was Trump because Trump had a private golf course that people came to, and he's been videotaped with Epstein, and he did know Ghislaine Maxwell and all the rest of it.
jordan holmes
Oh, did he?
alex jones
That's why when Trump says he loves Xi Jinping, we go to war with China.
When he said he wishes Ghislaine Maxwell well, you really don't want Trump wishing you well.
When Trump starts wishing you well, you should have a little angel of death flapping above you.
But, oh, take good care of them.
Yes, very.
I don't really care about them.
jordan holmes
Didn't Trump wish you well?
alex jones
It's not about defending Trump.
It's about defending reality.
dan friesen
Yeah, Trump wished Alex and Roger Stone both well.
jordan holmes
Didn't he specifically wish them both well?
dan friesen
Yeah, that's not consistent at all.
But I love the idea that he's now trying to build into the narrative that the reason that everyone hates Trump is because he was a confidential informant and was the original one to out Jeffrey Epstein.
jordan holmes
Trump took Jeffrey Epstein down.
Everybody knows that.
dan friesen
Everybody knows it.
jordan holmes
It's in the mainstream media now.
Absolutely.
He was working with deep...
Throat to get him!
Jesus Christ.
What else do you want to claim that Trump did?
Why not?
Just shoot the star.
I mean, we never would have gone to the moon if it weren't for Trump when he was 19 years old.
dan friesen
He hangs out with Steve Pachanek, who did everything through history.
He's the Forrest Gump of every geopolitical thing that's ever happened, so why not?
If Alex is willing to believe Steve on his bullshit, why not just believe that Trump literally did everything?
jordan holmes
Yeah, fuck it.
Yeah, why not?
dan friesen
So Rob Dew comes into the studio.
jordan holmes
Oh, the Dew.
dan friesen
And he has a little bit of a...
A side project he's been working on that is just depressing.
alex jones
So we went out and we hired a statistician to come up with the numbers, the stories on Infowars.com.
This is a Don Salazar story.
Scandemic CDC stat show flu deaths dropped as COVID deaths increased.
This is life-saving.
To get this information, to get it out to doctors, hospitals, you name it, we looked at a whole bunch of states and found what people were saying six months ago, five months ago was true.
They're counting all the flu deaths, you name it, in the same column.
So Rob News here, you hired the statistician to go over this.
Stories on Infowars.
This starts out with Arizona.
Let's walk through this.
dan friesen
So I walked through this.
Alex has hired a guy to make some graphs that show that flu deaths and COVID deaths in a couple states, you just show these tracks.
And then Alex can use those to imply that flu deaths are just being called COVID deaths.
The crux of this is that the graphs appear to show that as flu deaths were going down, COVID deaths were going up.
But these graphs don't prove anything.
Also, there's one essential problem with them that Alex staunchly refuses to address.
jordan holmes
John and Cram?
dan friesen
Might as well be.
But the big issue is that the flu deaths in these states all go down around the same time, and that's because the graphs show the end of flu season.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
All right.
dan friesen
If these graphs were presented honestly, they would show flu death distributions from past years, which would end up revealing that the trajectory of flu deaths in the 2019-2020 season is completely normal.
You would expect to see flu deaths peaking around week 10 to 12 of the year and then drop from there, which is what you see in Alex's graph.
This is completely normal compared to past years.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
Are you saying that maybe this was cherry-picked information that's given to you in bad faith?
dan friesen
Cherry-picked is the wrong word.
Misrepresented.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's fraudulently presented graphs.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because that's the other really big problem is their axes.
If you just take these graphs visually, these lines might appear to match up really well.
But when you look at the scale differences, a big problem comes up.
Take, for instance, a chart from Arizona.
It appears to show that COVID deaths went up while flu deaths went down between weeks 12 and 16 of 2020.
And because of the scale of these lines, they appear to track almost identically.
However, the lines are being misrepresented.
In that time frame, the flu deaths went from about 120 to 15, whereas the COVID deaths rose to 9. I don't know what that rose to 9 from, because there's also a hole in the line on the graph of COVID deaths between week 11 and 13. There's just a hole.
Just a hole.
There's just a hole.
We're just doing a hole.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay, great.
dan friesen
That's another issue, but even leaving that aside, these numbers are so far off from being explanatory.
The lines in the graph have their scale manipulated to make it look like they fall one-to-one.
The rise is the same as the fall, but it's a statistical game.
This problem runs through all of their graphs, and based on the fact that they do this really dicey kind of game with data misrepresentation, and the fact that they don't mention that flu deaths are going down because flu season ended, and the fact that they don't include a graph of New York, which had the highest number of COVID-19 deaths during flu season, These all combine to create a lot of issues that Alex needs to address before any of this can be taken seriously.
jordan holmes
Like, honestly, can COVID itself sue for defamation?
Like, that's what we're at, right?
dan friesen
Put some respect on my name.
jordan holmes
I know, kind of, right?
What are we doing?
dan friesen
Any statistician who would create something this shoddy is probably right to remain anonymous, since outing yourself as the person behind this makes it way too clear how willing you are to create bullshit graphs for money.
jordan holmes
I'll give you a hint as to who it is.
Rob Dew.
First initial, R. Last initial, D. I'll give you another clue.
Okay.
dan friesen
Great depositions.
Great.
jordan holmes
Great stuff.
dan friesen
So Alex has another studio guest after this.
Rob Du just incompetently presents this information.
jordan holmes
He's fantastic.
dan friesen
But he has another guest.
This dude, holy shit.
I mean, we've heard him before.
He's been on in the past.
And he's not really all that interesting.
It's just anti-vax nonsense.
unidentified
But he is full of life.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's swinging.
dan friesen
Him and Alex basically, like, you can feel Alex becoming invigorated.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Welcome back.
I'm Alex Jones, your host.
Dale Bigtree is a very renowned, award-winning documentary filmmaker, TV show producer, journalist.
And he fell down the rabbit hole many years ago looking at the vaccines.
And now they don't deny that vaccines can hurt you.
Now they're just saying, we're coming and you're going to take them one way or the other.
So you've got the floor here.
You're on fire.
del bigtree
Yeah.
alex jones
And we're so honored to have you here in Austin.
del bigtree
Thank you.
alex jones
In studio with us.
dan friesen
He's on fire.
And he is on fire.
jordan holmes
He's on fire.
dan friesen
The two of them are just like...
jordan holmes
Are you saying Del Bigtree is on fire?
dan friesen
It is.
Maybe Antifa set that fire.
The two of them are in a situation where they both have identical anti-vax narratives.
And so they're just like, not only that, but...
jordan holmes
Oh, they're just vibing on each other.
Holy shit.
dan friesen
It's hard to listen to.
But one thing they seem to disagree about is...
Gates, Bill Gates' position in all this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Now, he's been the mastermind.
jordan holmes
He's been in Council of Twelve.
dan friesen
One of the members of the Council of Twelve.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And then Joel Skousen came in the other day and said he's a middle management guy.
jordan holmes
Of course, yeah.
dan friesen
Which kind of threw a little bit of a curveball for Alex.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And I don't think he knows where Bill Gates is on the flowchart anymore.
alex jones
It's like somebody's got a gun to Gates' head.
Like, why are they doing this?
del bigtree
Isn't that the case?
I don't know.
I mean, I honestly don't know.
alex jones
But what they're doing is very destructive.
del bigtree
It looks to me that Gates is attempting to be a world power.
It looks to me he's stepping in.
Maybe there's someone beside him, but I have a feeling he's saying, get out of the way, Rothschilds.
Get out of the way.
I made the move.
I have Silicon Valley, and I have all of the medical establishment.
I'm putting this cabal together.
alex jones
No, I agree.
del bigtree
And I'm going to take over the world.
I don't know.
alex jones
If he can put in our body what he wants and admit it.
It's gonna kill us.
He's God.
dan friesen
So I guess now he's God.
jordan holmes
Is that what God does?
dan friesen
He's trying to usurp the Rothschilds, and now Alex has agreed with Del Bigtree about that, so we're all over the place.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know who the power rankings are.
I don't know anymore.
jordan holmes
Okay, so we've got the Mastermind, we got Council of Twelve, we got Middle Manager, and we got Macbeth.
Those are the four options so far.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Okay, gotcha.
And...
Who knows?
jordan holmes
And who knows who it could be?
We might wind up with, it'll be lone survivors.
dan friesen
So the two of them have a bit of a conversation.
It's all just anti-vax bullshit.
Much like I don't respect Alex's stuff about Epstein, I really don't respect a lot of the anti-vax stuff.
And mostly because a lot of the bigger things we've already hit on.
We've talked about a lot of those narratives.
Already in the past, and it's exhausting to go over it over and over again.
That said, there is one moment that I think is so illuminating for the wrong reasons in Del Bigtree's appearance.
He tells a story, and I really think it sends the wrong message, but I think it sends exactly the message of the feeling that I have about people like him.
del bigtree
I want to tell you a quick story.
I was in third grade in Boulder, Colorado.
I would walk to school every day with my sister.
It was about four blocks away.
I came back for lunch with my sister, and I walked through the door, and my mom said, what happened to your t-shirt?
I'd walked out the door in a t-shirt I'd made in art class that spelled my gymnastics team across it, the Flyers.
And she said, what happened to your t-shirt?
And I said, well, you know, Craig said it looked stupid, and he lives right next door to the school, so I just borrowed a t-shirt from him.
My mom pulled me out of school the next day, Alex, and I was homeschooled after that.
She said, I will never raise children that care what somebody else thinks.
You like that shirt.
You believed in what you're doing.
You're going to believe in who you are and what you are.
And that's what makes me who I am today.
dan friesen
In that story, Del thinks that he's telling a story about how he learned to stand up for his own voice, which is why he won't back down from censorship he feels he's facing for his anti-vax bullshit.
However, upon closer examination of that story, it doesn't make the point he thinks it does.
In the story, he has a shirt that he likes, which his friend tells him looks stupid.
In response to this influence from his peer, Del decides to change his shirt before going to school.
When his mother finds out about this, she takes him out of school and puts him in homeschool.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like a responsible parent would do.
dan friesen
This is not a story about rising above bullies or the influence of your peers.
It's a story about running away from it so you never have to confront that countervailing force.
The good version of this story is an empathetic mother telling little Del that his shirt was cool and that his peers don't get to decide what he thinks is cool so he goes back to school the next day with that shirt on and you know what?
The head cheerleader ends up liking the shirt.
Something like that is how you tell the narrative.
jordan holmes
If we're right in the movie, that's the way you go.
dan friesen
Now, that's still the validation of the head cheerleader.
But leave that aside.
That's how the narrative arc of learning to overcome the negative influence of others works out in storytelling.
jordan holmes
The story that he's told, I feel like, winds up with no more wire hangers.
Like, that's where we're at in this kind of situation.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
As it stands, here's how this story works.
Del received some influence from a peer, which he succumbed to.
When his mother found out, she overreacted to him changing his shirt and took him out of school, thereby isolating Del from having to regularly deal with the challenges of influences from his peers.
Instead of helping her child recognize that his opinions and tastes are valid, regardless of whether or not people agree with him, she unilaterally removes Del from the situation and puts him in an artificial and fully controlled environment where he won't have to make those tough choices anymore.
jordan holmes
Do you mean like a safe space, Dan?
dan friesen
His mother basically created a bubble for him to live in where he wouldn't have to worry about people liking his shirt or not.
Instead of teaching him to validate his own feelings about the shirt, Even if not everyone agreed that it was a cool shirt.
On a certain level, this is actually a perfect analogy for what Del Bigtree has done as a career.
His anti-vax bullshit doesn't stand up to the scrutiny of actual science and the standards of mainstream reporting, so he's metaphorically put himself in homeschool.
Thanks to millions of dollars from anti-vax donors like Bernard Sells, Dell has created an insulated bubble where his ideas and narratives don't have to compete with the information.
Yeah.
It's like...
I love the idea that he's telling this story that he's completely...
It sends the exact wrong message, but something that is so salient to what he does now as an adult.
jordan holmes
No, all of the childhood stories...
dan friesen
It makes me suspect that that's a true story.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, totally.
No, all of these childhood stories, they tell fondly, and if you analyze them for a second, you're like...
Well, that's one piece of the puzzle in how fucked up you are.
Thank you for adding that to the rich tapestry of your bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't even see...
I don't even hear from that story.
Granted, I have no idea what his life is like, but I didn't hear in that story him expressing that he was distraught about his friend not liking his shirt.
jordan holmes
No, he was like...
dan friesen
It seemed like it was all his mom's response to him changing the shirt.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I feel like the better end to that story is he's taken away from his mom.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I mean, it would be traumatic.
dan friesen
You're in third grade.
You get to send to homeschool.
I don't know.
It's weird.
jordan holmes
Anyway.
You wore the wrong shirt, so I'm taking you away from social influences forever.
dan friesen
Right.
And, you know, you just sort of shift that over a tiny bit.
I've decided to believe that Andrew Wakefield is the best doctor in the world.
And, all right.
jordan holmes
Let's put myself in that bubble where that makes sense.
And nobody can tell me that I'm wrong.
Except for his mom, I imagine.
dan friesen
The rest of this is him and Del Bigtree just having a jolly time.
And I don't care.
So now we go to August 1st.
Alex does a two-hour emergency report.
And it's important that he does this because the day before, he said that Antifa is going to take over half the country, basically.
jordan holmes
cover it live.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
We are live.
alex jones
Saturday, August 1st.
The year is 2020.
We're 93 days out.
The Soto Summit Antifa is announcing terror attacks to be launched tonight.
Tomorrow's news.
Will they follow through on it?
dan friesen
So again, it's the same thing.
Will they follow through on it?
Am I reporting on something that's complete nonsense?
jordan holmes
We've done this.
dan friesen
Only you can decide.
jordan holmes
How many times have we done this?
dan friesen
So many.
jordan holmes
Where he does a live show expecting something big to happen.
And it doesn't happen during the show.
dan friesen
Well, I'm not sure if he's expecting it to happen during his show.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
It's more of, like, I have created a really intense narrative.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And there's also an end date on when I will have stopped that thing from happening.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
So I need to make the most of it while it's an active thing.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And so he starts this off with, like, almost a five-minute long clip from Road Warrior.
It was a strange choice.
Lord Humongous.
unidentified
He loves Road Warrior.
alex jones
We want their children.
We love the new old order.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
The city has announced they're going to blow up the police station tonight.
dan friesen
They have not.
jordan holmes
The city has announced they are going to blow up the police station tonight.
Tonight.
dan friesen
Tonight.
unidentified
It begins.
jordan holmes
It begins tonight.
unidentified
The first explosion in the war.
dan friesen
The city of Austin has announced they're going to take all the gasoline tonight.
jordan holmes
Austin has changed the name of the police station to Fort Sumter.
dan friesen
Right.
So, Alex is going to get into this whole thing about Antifa and their plans, their nefarious plans, but there's other important information.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Alex has a lot of sources, and this is probably one of the most unimpeachable of them.
alex jones
And I got a call from my wife's tennis partner this morning.
She was at Whole Foods in downtown Austin at 8 a.m. and couldn't go in because 150 Antifa were out there with clubs.
Guns in the parking lot.
They don't usually get up until noon.
So if there was 150 people this morning, the text came in at like 8.10.
I'm sitting there cooking omelets for the kids and pancakes.
Can you imagine?
What's going to be down there tonight?
Because they pledged.
I mean, they're publicly saying, we're going to take over the police station, we're going to go to the city councilwoman that didn't vote to defund the police, and we're going to attack her house.
dan friesen
So, we got some Antifa hanging out at Whole Foods at 8 when they usually sleep in till noon.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, I guess he's trying to call the protesters lazy or something, but it's like, eh, you've been up till 2 getting tear gassed.
You get to sleep till noon.
I think that's fair.
dan friesen
I fucking love how regularly Alex will have intel.
From his wife's various friends.
Her tennis partner called me.
jordan holmes
My wife's tennis partner.
dan friesen
My wife's in a yoga class with this one person who told me the hardware store has been besieged.
jordan holmes
Most of my information comes from my wife's acquaintances at this point.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Great.
unidentified
I mean, like, let's take Alex...
Tennis partner.
dan friesen
Well, let's take Alex out of the equation and imagine anybody across any kind of respectable news spectrum saying...
I have on the authority of my wife's tennis partner.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I'm reporting this news, and that's where I'm getting the information from.
jordan holmes
Now.
dan friesen
It's embarrassing, even if it's not, Alex.
jordan holmes
Does he have any corroborating evidence from his wife's tennis partner?
dan friesen
Yes, the other tennis partner.
It's a trio.
jordan holmes
It's triples.
You can't play triples.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, you can.
jordan holmes
No, you cannot.
dan friesen
In Austin, you can.
jordan holmes
How dare you!
With 150 Antifa people around?
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
You can't play triples.
They wouldn't allow that.
That's against the pledge!
dan friesen
150 Antifa people, that's 50 triples teams.
Let's have a round-robin tournament.
I like it.
jordan holmes
I like it.
We're playing four-dimensional golf at this point.
dan friesen
The Whole Foods parking lot, perfect tennis court.
unidentified
The Whole Foods parking lot, 150 Antifa.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, Alex is just rambling around about how violent Antifa is and how awful everything.
And if you're white, you need to be scared.
Gotta be.
alex jones
You've seen the footage in Utah, Colorado, New York, California, where somebody rolls one down and they go, St. Louis, are you for Black Lives Matter?
Yes, but I believe in all lives.
Boom!
In the head, mama.
You're dead.
23-year-old mother of a two-year-old.
Because she was white and because she didn't bow down to this racist ideology.
dan friesen
Alex has no details.
He can't even remember any of the details.
That was in Indianapolis.
She was 24 years old.
He doesn't remember her name.
It was Jessica Whitaker.
jordan holmes
Never cared in the first place.
dan friesen
St. Louis was the McCloskeys, who were the couple who pointed guns at protesters.
Yeah, none of this matters to him.
It's just all like trying to make white people scared.
Like the details of everything that happened was even made up.
So in this next clip, Alex lays out a little bit of what he's talking about with the idea that...
Antifa is going to take over everything.
And this is where I was able to sort of get in a little bit.
I was able to figure out, like, oh, okay, here we go.
alex jones
So the big story is up on Infowars.com.
Austin police warn Antifa BLM planning terror attacks and mass shootings downtown.
And we show you a public document by a major manager company, CNDC.
That manages a bunch of apartments downtown on the I-30 corridor.
They were told by police to warn the tenants that Antifa is taken to the roofs with guns in their buildings and listed their buildings as where they're going to be.
dan friesen
So I went and I found this article, and I found that there's two major pieces of information that Alex is basing this story on.
And the first thing I want to point out is that Alex gave the wrong name for that management company.
unidentified
CNDC.
dan friesen
It's not CNDC.
It's GNDC.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's hard to tell if it's because he can't read or because he's trying to make details harder to track down.
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
Or it could be he just mistook it for CNBC and then just kind of...
unidentified
Who knows?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
This is the Guadalupe Neighborhood Development Corporation, and Infowars has just posted a screenshot of what appears to be a letter from the GNDC to tenants asking them to report any suspicious activity because police had warned them that some, quote, people coming to Austin tomorrow may be armed and have plans to get on top of buildings along the I-35 frontage road.
This letter, if it's even real, says nothing about who these people are.
There's no mention of Antifa or anything else that Alex is adding to the story.
Could be anything.
jordan holmes
Well, there's only one group of people historically who have the training and the weaponry necessary to get on top of rooftops and scope out the area in order to provide sniper fire.
dan friesen
So this brings us to the second piece of information that's in that article on Infowars.
The other part of this Antifa plot apparently comes from a Facebook page called the Texas State Gorillas Militia.
Which is supposedly a left-wing militia.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Interestingly, if you try to Google that name, there's no search results other than message boards from like a day ago, and all of them link back to the Infowars story.
If you go look at the Facebook page, it's pretty clear that this is not a left-wing militia.
At least one of the admins of this group has explicit Boogaloo iconography in his profile picture, and their banner image includes at least two of the people pictured wearing skull masks, which is a look that is regularly associated with Sure.
The Facebook group is private, but you can still tell certain things about it if you're not a member.
For one, it was created about a month ago, which is a little bit weird.
jordan holmes
That is odd.
dan friesen
The other thing you can tell that is even though the group is private, the admin's pages aren't all private.
Wow.
unidentified
So you can tell some things by looking at them.
jordan holmes
Now, they're too smart for you to catch them, Dan.
dan friesen
The page was created a month ago by a guy named Tom Will Breaker.
And his page is public.
It's really hard to determine how much of the stuff on there you should take seriously because it's a Facebook page, but if you look at the pictures he chooses to post, you get a sense of the guy.
He's a big fan of guns.
Tons of pictures of him with guns.
There's a weird picture that implies that racism started because white women are into black men because they have bigger dicks.
jordan holmes
That sounds historically like something I've heard.
So, okay.
Very weird picture.
Okay, so now are you saying...
unidentified
Strange.
jordan holmes
Okay, he must have just come up with that himself.
I'm sure there's no historical corollary for that exact narrative, right, Dan?
dan friesen
It's a strange picture, you know.
Memes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Since at least 2019, in August, he's been posting Boogaloo and Big Igloo-related memes, some of which involve killing law enforcement.
Sure.
The second person to become an admin in this Texas State Gorillas is a guy named Leroy Jenkins, which is obviously a fake name referencing them.
unidentified
Leroy!
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He doesn't have any posts prior to June 30th, but almost everything he's posted is Boogaloo related.
It goes on and on like this as you look at the members of the group's profiles.
This is not so much a left-wing Antifa group the way Alex is trying to present it, as much as it is a Boogaloo-related group, which may or may not have played I have no idea.
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
And we don't recommend people try and join it.
dan friesen
I wouldn't.
jordan holmes
Just don't do it.
dan friesen
If that is the case, though, then it makes sense that the Austin Police Department could have warned the Guadalupe neighborhood group to be cautious.
This ultimately could be a situation where there is an underlying real story, namely that a subset of the accelerationist Boogaloo types were trying to use the current social climate to trigger some violence.
But...
Even that, Alex has failed to substantiate.
I'm not saying that that is the case.
I'm saying that is a possibility.
Even if that is the truth of the story, Alex is completely misrepresenting it to be some kind of an Antifa Black Lives Matter thing, as opposed to it being a group of gun absolutists who we'd absolutely love if only they were a little bit more universally racist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, basically.
dan friesen
And, uh, I don't know.
It's interesting to me because...
He was presenting this story so vaguely.
They have these plans to take over police stations and all this.
I didn't see any evidence of that, per se.
Maybe that's in the private Facebook group that I can't see.
I don't know.
And he's trying to present it as like, this is Antifa Soros funded.
It's like a hundred people in this Boogaloo Facebook group.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's cheap for Soros.
You know, that's what?
If you're paying them, maybe, max, for a hundred people Facebook group, five grand.
Five grand!
That's pocket change to the Soros, buddy.
You might as well toss it in there.
Maybe it explodes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Alex touches back on the story of the doctor who's super into hydroxychloroquine, who also believes that people are having sex with demons in their sleep and what have you.
Sounds fun.
Alex believes that she's being attacked because she's a Christian.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
All right.
dan friesen
And in the process, kind of...
jordan holmes
Says that people have sex with demons in their sleep?
dan friesen
I think he might think that.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
I mean, she's telling you, like, two plus two.
And all the news is like, look at this crazy Christian lady.
She thinks that some of the human cell lines have been mated with aliens.
And so she's crazy.
And then meanwhile, the very establishment believes that.
jordan holmes
A what?
Hold on.
alex jones
I mean, you can read the Bible and it says that.
And so fine.
Does it matter?
jordan holmes
Yes, it 100% matters.
That is a big thing that matters, Dan.
dan friesen
So I guess Alex believes that the Bible is about alien DNA.
jordan holmes
Some human cells have alien cells, and that's what the Bible says.
You don't know that, Dan?
The Bible says the Earth was seeded by viral RNA from...
dan friesen
This wasn't the direction I expected him to go.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Why not lean into it?
dan friesen
So now...
jordan holmes
Succubi!
dan friesen
Um, we get a guest that we can dig our teeth into.
This is not a Del Big Tree.
jordan holmes
Nah, nah, nah.
dan friesen
This isn't a Rob Dew shitting the bed with stats.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
This is Steve fucking Pachanek.
jordan holmes
He's got some swings.
dan friesen
Yes.
alex jones
I'm Alex Jones, your host.
We are commercial-free on this August 1st Saturday transmission.
jordan holmes
Are you ever so an author?
alex jones
I wrote a bunch of books with Tom Clancy.
I did psychological operations in the State Department, the CIA, and a bunch of other groups.
He's a great patriot.
We always appreciate his insight.
He's one of the most accurate, smartest people we know.
dan friesen
Now, you're making a weird face, and I need to say this.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I think Alex is right.
But that's just because he knows a lot of really inaccurate stupid people.
jordan holmes
That is fair.
Okay.
dan friesen
I think Steve is probably...
jordan holmes
Yes.
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
I will give you that.
dan friesen
Everyone else is wrong all the time.
Actually, Steve's wrong all the time, too.
jordan holmes
More entertainingly.
dan friesen
He's a smart guy, though.
jordan holmes
At least he reads...
dan friesen
He's crafty.
He reads those intelligence briefings from Stratford.
jordan holmes
There's something.
It's better than Rob Dew tossing graphs at us.
dan friesen
There's two big slip-ups in this interview that I think are kind of telling.
One is at the beginning.
Steve starts and then I think he loses his train of thought and has to do a second take.
And I think that this...
It implies to me that Steve might be working off a little bit of a script.
steve pieczenik
Well, let me explain what COVID-19 is.
COVID-19 is just a variation of a virus that we've had for over 60 years.
jordan holmes
You cured it.
steve pieczenik
It means it's a spike.
It is a highly...
It's a highly manipulative...
Well, let me explain what COVID-19 is.
COVID-19 is just a variation of a virus that we've had for over 60 years.
COVID means it's a spike.
It is a highly manipulative virus which can attack someone, but it can't kill them.
dan friesen
So he had to do two takes there.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Basically the exact same thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he lost his train of thought.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Hey everybody, Dan here.
I just wanted to jump in to correct myself a tiny bit here.
After recording the episode, I went back and I watched the video of this from Alex's show, and this is not actually an instance of Steve Pachanik saying this twice, although it sounded a lot like it if you were listening to it.
I went and watched the video, and it is actually a weird editing thing that InfoWars screwed up.
I don't know how they did this.
I've never seen it before.
But they just played Steve saying this twice.
I have no idea why.
I apologize that that slipped past me.
Anyway, I was wrong.
I made an assumption that Steve was reading the same thing twice when in reality it was a never-before-seen, very weird thing where InfoWars played the same audio twice for no reason.
And the video's the same.
The video plays twice.
Just a tiny little...
I have no idea.
Anyway, can't explain it.
Anyway, back to the show.
I would probably even leave that aside for a moment if it weren't for the other slip-up that happens that I think he's being fed information.
jordan holmes
Does he remember that he cured himself of COVID?
dan friesen
Yes, he does.
jordan holmes
Good, good, good.
dan friesen
But also, there's a problem.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
So Trump has been, you know, he wants to call it the China virus.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah, because he's a big, fat racist.
dan friesen
Yes, and Alex has spent a lot of time proving, in heavy quotes, that Fauci and Obama sent it to China and sold it to the Chinese.
jordan holmes
Because Alex is a big, fat racist.
dan friesen
Steve kind of completely fucks that narrative up.
unidentified
Oh, no!
steve pieczenik
Ironically, it didn't really come from Wuhan, and Fauci never understood it.
It really came out of northern Italy.
And Tony has never understood the underlying dynamics of a vaccine.
dan friesen
So apparently, according to Steve, this came out of Northern Italy, and that ruins everything for Alex.
If that's true.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
If that's true.
If Steve isn't lying, or one of the most inaccurate people you could be talking to, everything Alex has built up about this is wrong.
There's no conspiracy.
jordan holmes
It's 60 years old.
It's a variation.
Tony Fauci doesn't even understand virology.
dan friesen
So he wasn't involved in the development of this quote-unquote bioweapon.
Neither was Obama.
I guess that's all out the window.
jordan holmes
You gotta toss Hillary in there, though.
Why not?
Hillary visited Northern Italy one time before.
Yeah, toss it in there.
dan friesen
So Steve has shaped the geopolitical landscape.
He has overthrown governments.
He has put in leaders.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
Which is a good thing in his world.
dan friesen
Every single important person in the world has intersected with him at some point.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So that makes it funny when Steve accuses Tony Fauci of using hyperbole.
steve pieczenik
Unfortunately, I worked with Tony.
Tony was my teacher.
I had great respect for him as a medical doctor at Cornell University Medical College.
But right now, what you're seeing is what I said four to five months ago.
He is Jesuit-trained.
He is narcissistic.
He has hyperboles.
And he really made a medical mistake.
It's malpractice.
He should never have recommended to close the government.
And Trump should never have closed this government.
dan friesen
Yeah, good news.
They didn't close the government.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, cool.
steve pieczenik
Wow.
dan friesen
When you said what, that's one of the things that's most...
jordan holmes
No, no, I remember.
I remember that he went to Cornell while Fauci was there.
dan friesen
Yeah, they probably would have overlapped their time at Cornell.
So that's one of the things that's the...
Least.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
I know.
dan friesen
Deserving of a what.
jordan holmes
I know, but it's still bullshit.
dan friesen
I just love it when Steve Pachenik is like, this guy is a bragger.
He uses hyperbole.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this guy is an asshole.
Also, I cured myself.
I was the first person to cure myself of COVID with antibacterials.
dan friesen
I'm Jack Ryan.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
I've solved every war of my lifetime.
jordan holmes
He helped kill the Italian prime minister.
Come on.
dan friesen
Wow, that part's true.
So, they get to talking about, like, what's wrong with Trump.
Because Alex is like, he responds to people who give him, like, really tough talk.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And this is not what I expected to hear.
alex jones
By the way, I'm not tooting your horn, but you've been dead on about Trump has so-called good instincts with policy, but not with who he hires.
That's what Tucker Carlson's told me privately and on air.
He says Trump just grovels to his enemies.
steve pieczenik
Well, the problem is, believe it or not, unlike you and I or Tucker Carlson, he doesn't have the strength or the self-confidence to fire somebody in front of him.
He does it indirectly.
I've seen countless bosses like that, and they can never confront somebody directly.
dan friesen
I'd like to remind Steve that Trump's catchphrase was, you're fired.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
His entire public persona was based around firing people to their face.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I have heard that Trump doesn't do that, like in real life.
I've read that about him.
I don't know if that's actually true or not.
But it is a narrative that's been tossed out.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
I mean, you've heard various stories about people who have worked in the administration, like, you know, being fired indirectly, or Tommy hearing on TV.
jordan holmes
Of course, yeah.
dan friesen
You know, stuff like that.
I do believe that Trump is a coward.
jordan holmes
Berman stepped down.
dan friesen
Right, right, right.
steve pieczenik
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Yes, I do believe that Trump is a coward.
But the thing that's really fun about Steve saying this...
Is that it's also a recognition that Trump's entire persona is fake.
jordan holmes
It's bullshit.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
So wait, are you telling me that his reality TV show persona was sold to us as his actual persona during the campaign, thus making these idiots think they were electing one person?
dan friesen
The smart business leader.
jordan holmes
And Steve Pchenik just tossed that in the fire like a big tree.
dan friesen
Of course.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, um, that's fun.
Trump can't fire people.
jordan holmes
Trump is a giant coward.
dan friesen
Also, by the way, if that's what you're saying, get the guy out of there.
He's unassertive to the point of being ineffectual and probably is not a good leader.
jordan holmes
I've known bosses like that, and I think of them highly.
Is that what he was about to say?
dan friesen
I think they should be president.
And the issue is that, hey man, there's an election coming and Biden's the other choice.
And it turns out that Steve isn't big on voting.
steve pieczenik
I needed a stronger president than Trump.
I can't have Biden.
He's senile, demented.
That's it.
There will be no Biden coming in, and I will assure you, and I'm assuring the intelligence community, they know exactly what I'm saying and what I mean.
They know they're unnoticed, that a Biden will not come in irrespective of who his vice president will be.
Black or not, that's not the issue.
alex jones
That's another question.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
alex jones
What lunatics would try to run someone that doesn't even know where he is?
dan friesen
That doesn't sound like a guy who's super interested in elections.
alex jones
Wow.
dan friesen
I'm telling the people in the intelligence community that a Biden presidency will not happen.
I don't believe that Steve has any kind of power or pull to do anything.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
But the perspective and the position that he has is deeply...
Deeply authoritarian.
jordan holmes
See, this is when you toss in a Larry Nichols to blackmail the president into getting rid of elections.
That's what you gotta do.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You gotta get Larry Nichols in there.
dan friesen
Larry flew too close to the sun.
He's not welcome back on Alex's show anymore.
It doesn't seem...
Because now would be a good time for a Nichols.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
Yeah, or maybe...
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I have some dirt on Trump.
I took the pee tape.
dan friesen
I have it.
unidentified
If he doesn't delay the election.
dan friesen
I got my sources that gave me the pee tape.
How'd you get it, Larry?
And it showed up in my mailbox.
jordan holmes
Where's the guy who's telling us that Reagan had a video of him getting pegged?
Where are we at?
Yeah, but he, I mean, there needs to be that guy.
dan friesen
But to be fair, when Bob Chapman came out and said that he'd seen a tape of Reagan getting pegged, It wasn't like they were trying to take down Reagan.
jordan holmes
No, totally.
I get that.
I get that.
dan friesen
That was out of nowhere.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
That was in the middle of a completely unrelated conversation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
Now is the time for somebody to toss in that.
dan friesen
I could use a non sequitur, but it shan't come.
So Steve is one of these guys who says a lot of really bad things just sort of casually.
Biden's not getting in regardless of his vice president's black.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Why are you saying that?
jordan holmes
Why did you do that?
dan friesen
Or the time, or not just one time, but he is on a number of occasions called Soros a rat Jew.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Jew rat, excuse me.
jordan holmes
Not what we do these days.
dan friesen
He does this a lot.
There's a lot of stuff that makes me think like, dude, you got a lot of anger and you're a real bigot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And this is one of those instances here.
steve pieczenik
You have a moron like Conway, George Conway.
Half Filipino, never served our country, goes into the Lincoln Project, another idiot outpost, and makes statements where he says that Trump is not qualified, not competent.
You're talking about an ineffectual, narcissistic...
jordan holmes
We got one insult?
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, like, why do you have to point out that George Conway is half Filipino?
jordan holmes
I mean, you gotta toss him in there.
dan friesen
He was born in Boston.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but you can't trust people who are half...
I don't know.
Anything other than white?
dan friesen
How is it all relevant to any conversation that you're having?
jordan holmes
Well, because he's never served our country.
As we all know, people with Filipino descent have never served our country.
dan friesen
I mean, that's just, like, those sorts of ticks are really...
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's just nuts.
dan friesen
They're kind of telling.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, what's even more telling is Alex asks what needs to be done.
Mic down for this, because Steve, he may have a different view of America than a lot of people.
alex jones
And so then what do we, the people, do, the folks tuning in right now that do care about their families, what do we do?
steve pieczenik
They go back into the street, they protest, and they say, we want change, and we want to get rid of our congressmen, our senators, and we need to have an effective...
We are a business entity.
Forget the notion that we have liberty, equality.
That's nonsense.
dan friesen
Whoa.
jordan holmes
You know, it is, it's refreshing to hear it.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, you know that that's the underlying thought behind so much of this right-wing bullshit.
Like, the rich aren't, like, the Constitution matters.
They don't give a fuck.
It's a business proposition for them.
It's refreshing to hear somebody just come out and be like...
I want to oppress people.
dan friesen
Fuck liberty.
jordan holmes
Fuck equality.
dan friesen
That's nonsense.
jordan holmes
Didn't need any of that shit.
What are we talking about?
We the people.
No!
Business the people, my friend.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex is up here crying about the blood of patriots.
unidentified
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And then his big secret government source informant, Steve Pachanek, who's overthrown governments.
Fuck you, it's a business.
Fuck you with this.
Equality and liberty talk.
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can't think of any...
dan friesen
Get in line with business.
jordan holmes
Tell me about any kind of founding document for the United States of America that even considers those things as important.
dan friesen
So, I hate to do this two clips in a row, but I'm going to need you to put your mic down for this one as well.
Because in this clip, Alex suggests that Trump is too weak to kill his opponents.
Sure.
And here's where there's another slip-up on Steve's part.
alex jones
Obviously, if a few globalists ended up having kayak accidents, and I'm not calling for this, because you'll get called into federal court, and so will I, because I know we're serious.
I'm not going to do anything myself, but I'm just saying, instead of letting them have revolution and burn the country down and sell us out of the Chi-Coms in the old days, George Washington would just go after a few of these guys.
Abraham Lincoln would.
It'd all be over.
I mean, like you said, Trump's too big a wimp, and I guess the Pentagon is all too...
I mean, just actually go after a few people.
If you took money from the Chinese, if you're a traitor...
Well, you know, they take a dirt nap.
If a few of these people got in trouble, all the rest would turn and run.
They're a bunch of wimps.
But we have to hang out here under attack.
We have to deal with all the physical threats, which I'm happy to do, and then no one else ever makes them pay, is what I'm saying.
steve pieczenik
Well, Wilbur Ross.
Here's what you have to do.
You've got two men there who I do respect.
Steve Mnuchin, who understands money and distribution of money, and Wilbur Ross.
dan friesen
Steve's wife is there with him, and she's, like, Googling things for him.
She's feeding him information.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you should not have let her come on with the, Wilbur Ross.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, like, he needed her to feed the name that he's going to put into his next paragraph.
So, yeah, I mean, it's interesting.
jordan holmes
You just told me that America was more than anything else a business entity.
So, yeah, I'm fine with being a traitor to a business entity.
dan friesen
Sure.
Especially when the business is exploitative.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
Yeah!
jordan holmes
I think I'm going to traitor that business.
dan friesen
Are we the shareholders of that business?
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
Obviously.
dan friesen
Clearly not.
jordan holmes
Come on.
If you're a shareholder, you get some sort of liberty or equality.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, another time that Steve has slipped, much like bringing up that Steve Conway is half Filipino, is when he's complaining about that PBS documentary, the Frontline thing about Alex.
alex jones
Why do they fear conspiracy so much?
They've got Frontline shows, all of them saying, Trump's bad, he believes in conspiracy.
That's how the real world works.
They don't want us thinking about the moving parts.
steve pieczenik
No, if you listen to that show, it was so idiotic.
First of all, you got Anderson Cooper.
What an amazing, flaming individual.
But more importantly, they forgot that two summers, he was a CIA intern.
Really?
No kidding!
dan friesen
I don't know what pointing out the fact that he is a homosexual individual has to do with anything.
That's number one.
Steve can't talk about people who are not white, straight.
jordan holmes
He just can't not be a bigot.
He just can't not do it.
dan friesen
It's just impossible.
And then I don't even remember Anderson Cooper being in the documentary outside of maybe archival footage of him.
I think that there's footage of him interviewing One of the Sandy Hook parents from around that time.
I don't remember him being a talking head in the documentary.
I don't know it.
jordan holmes
Him just existing at all like Steve Varian.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's just in the documentary in the background.
It's like, oh, you got Anderson Cooper.
That guy's gay.
And he was part of the CIA.
jordan holmes
You know, it just bums me out because they never get this.
They never get this, all right?
So if you're living in Steve Pachanek's lily white world of great fascism for everyone.
Then he's just going to be a bigot towards...
Oh, yeah, he's Italian.
He's going to just be a bigot towards whomever he can find.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
That's it.
dan friesen
That's the error of exclusionary thinking.
They just don't fucking get it.
Right.
You end up with definitions that become smaller and smaller.
unidentified
Always.
dan friesen
If you end up with a white nationalist state, you'll end up then with a separatist blue-eyed community as opposed to a brown-eyed community.
Or whatever.
unidentified
I mean, they used to kill Catholics.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just for being Catholic.
dan friesen
The logic of exclusion never relies on real reasons to exclude.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
And because the reasons are forced, artificial, and made up, they can be forced, artificial, and made up about any arbitrary distinction that you want to make.
And because these moves towards exclusion are always to make up for something else, they're always an excuse for why the economy isn't as good as it could be.
Why is there crime?
jordan holmes
Italians aren't buying enough anymore.
dan friesen
All of these exclusions, you want to exclude people because it solves some other issue that's not related.
Totally.
unidentified
Because that's always the case.
jordan holmes
It will never matter, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, you get your way, and then you'll need an excuse again.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you'll find another thing to exclude, another group of people.
Yeah, of course.
Steve will never be satisfied with whatever...
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's joining Stalin's Politburo.
Like, you gotta know, eventually you're gonna be removed from the picture, man.
You're not gonna be in that picture later on.
dan friesen
The issue for Steve right now, though, is that, like, there's no leader for his side.
Now, granted, according to him...
jordan holmes
I mean, there's no leaders, period, so there's that.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, but according to Steve, he installed Trump as the president, so...
There's no leaders.
But unfortunately, you have fucked up then because you installed a leader.
jordan holmes
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
You're not going to blame Steve.
Yeah, come on.
steve pieczenik
They don't have that kind of power as much as we have an absence of leadership and power at the head of our country and at the head of the conservative movement.
Which I think is just an American movement.
It's not a conservative.
alex jones
I'm not a conservative or liberal.
I'm American.
steve pieczenik
Shut the fuck up.
We don't really have a leader at this point.
In fact, Trump was supposed to be that leader, but what you hear is apologia.
I can't believe how many times he says, well, I'm sorry, that's not what I meant.
I really meant this.
He wavers, and he's weak.
I mean, honestly, I would get in there and say, get your...
Together and bring in Melania to be your vice president or whoever you need, but this can't continue.
And you're going to have to come down and start firing systems one after another.
alex jones
How did they get Trump in a trance to not know what we want is the guy we saw four years ago?
jordan holmes
Does his wife know that Steve has a huge boner for Melania?
Like, we have never heard him come on the show.
Like, not for a while have we heard him come on the show without mentioning how Melania should be more important.
dan friesen
That's not entirely fair, but I understand why you would feel that way.
I've heard a number of times that he hasn't brought up Melania, but it has been a while.
jordan holmes
I've heard a number of times that he's brought up Melania, and it is always in a...
Melania is great!
I love Melania.
She should be vice president.
dan friesen
Not only does he think she should be vice president, I think he wants to install her as the shadow leader of the government.
jordan holmes
Why not?
steve pieczenik
I would say build a little staff around Melania and forget the rest of the National Security Council.
alex jones
Oh, I agree.
If he put her front and center, that's why they won't put her on any magazine covers or talk about her.
They're scared of her.
unidentified
Well...
steve pieczenik
That's the point.
That's what I need.
I don't need her in the front.
I just need her to have enough of a critical mass for her to implement what's required and override a lot of what Trump is doing.
dan friesen
What is happening?
jordan holmes
It makes sense.
It makes sense because...
dan friesen
Please make it make sense.
jordan holmes
Because here's the deal, all right?
Clearly, they believe Trump is a thing.
And clearly Trump is absolutely not the thing that they believe in.
They've made it all up.
They made it all up to feel better about themselves.
And now Trump is...
Obviously shit.
And even they can't avoid that.
So you gotta pick a new person to make up shit about.
unidentified
Melania's right there and Steve wants to fuck her, so move on.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's like, hey, she can be the one we project all of our power fantasies on now.
It's weird.
jordan holmes
We'll make up bullshit about anybody.
Why not?
dan friesen
It's very strange, this consistent thing where he seems to want to install Melania.
Love him.
I don't know how much I feel confident about this.
You know, in the same way that you get these reveals of things that are going on while Steve's having an interview, like his wife Googling stuff.
And it's like, oh, that kind of ruins the facade.
And then he has this insistent, repetitious, like, we need to make Melania the shadow president.
I'm like, I'm not sure I trust you as a crafty mastermind thinker either.
I don't know.
I don't know if your plans are good.
jordan holmes
Is it like, maybe, okay, maybe I'll throw this out there.
Alright, let me toss this out there.
I think he's creating an alternate universe Clintons.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, he's thinking Trump is your bill, so Melania must be your Hillary.
So it makes sense that the wife of whomever should become the president.
dan friesen
I think you're probably right that there's some of that projecting.
jordan holmes
Maybe it's entirely unconscious.
That's possible.
But it does have that feel of, like, they're creating their own, you know, like they thought Obama was a dictator, so they created their own dictator.
You know, they thought Bill Clinton was, you know, his wife had too much power, so now they're saying that Melania should have that power.
Do you know what I mean?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, maybe.
Maybe there's something to that.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
So, Alex wants, like, you know, hey man, You're a psychiatrist.
You're a psychologist.
So tell me what's going on.
alex jones
Wait.
dan friesen
I just remembered you're not allowed to diagnose people.
alex jones
I know you're not supposed to do diagnosis from afar, but you're a psychiatrist and medical doctor.
Clearly he's declining quickly.
How long until he doesn't even know who he is?
I mean, he basically already is there.
steve pieczenik
He's already there.
I said it six months ago.
dan friesen
Real quick, he's talking about Biden having senile dementia.
steve pieczenik
I said it a year ago.
He has senile dementia.
There's nothing about it.
You can't reprimand me.
I don't belong to the ADA.
alex jones
But he's declining quickly, so where is he in a month?
steve pieczenik
He's exactly where he is, babbling and basically not knowing what he's going to do and not knowing where he is or what the time is.
dan friesen
That's one of my favorite things because, like, Alex is like, hey, you know, the Goldwater rule, you can't diagnose people from afar.
alex jones
Fuck the Goldwater rule!
dan friesen
I don't give a shit.
I'll diagnose him.
You know, I don't care.
You can't reprimand me.
I'm not in the APA, and the reason is because I got reprimanded because I diagnosed Bush from afar.
jordan holmes
There is that.
There is that.
unidentified
I got in trouble for doing exactly this.
dan friesen
Many years ago, I then had to leave the APA, and now I can do it all I want.
jordan holmes
You gotta double down.
You gotta double down.
If you stand up for your convictions, you double down.
dan friesen
So, Steve had some parting words, and they're not good.
This is bad advice.
steve pieczenik
Start going back to an ordinary life.
And forget about the coronavirus.
Forget about the Fauci's.
If you've got a problem, go with your pharmacist or your doctor.
Ask for Zithromax or any of the antibiotics, and that will handle it.
But for the most part, forget the numbers.
Forget the New York Times.
Forget the TV.
And go on with your life and create a life.
alex jones
That's right.
Go local.
Don't believe the gurus of mainstream media.
dan friesen
So basically, Steve's big advice to the audience is pretend this isn't real.
Pretend this isn't happening.
jordan holmes
Here's the fucked up part.
I'll put 50 bucks down on this.
Here's what's almost certainly going to happen.
Shit's going to double get worse.
We're going to get a vaccine.
The people who take the vaccine are going to be okay.
The people who refuse to take the vaccine are large enough in number that when they start dying, they're going to claim that we're killing them because we took the vaccine or that it wasn't real and that we're just killing them anyways.
And because they're going to continue spreading it, it's entirely possible that it could mutate and the fucking vaccine won't even do anything.
dan friesen
This is fucked!
I don't know.
Or a secondary possibility is eventually there will be a vaccine that gets wide enough or, you know, comes and enough people take it that, you know, you end up with a certain amount of folks are just going to have negative reactions to any medication that anybody takes.
And the people like Alex who are anti-vax will use those instances of inevitable complications as proof that they were right all along.
But I don't know.
I think that...
I don't know.
I don't have enough of...
And we're talking about hypothetical vaccines.
jordan holmes
I'm betting.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I'm not hypothetical.
dan friesen
I don't know about the thresholds of how many people not taking a vaccine would be a problem.
So I don't know.
I can't really speculate on that.
So Steve leaves, and Alex gets back to his story about Antifa that he's lying about.
And he accidentally reads...
Some of the raw information that reveals that this is not a Black Lives Matter Antifa group.
It's a Boogaloo group.
alex jones
I don't just believe the police.
I'm going to check these links.
This is going on on Facebook with real people.
Intel Leroy Jenkins group known as Boogaloo.
That's a fake cutout right-wing group ADL runs.
Advised they gave out body armor and weapons.
The group, about 90 armed people.
Officer Safety Boogaloo, Safety Gutierrez have flared other people-related devices.
Another suspect advised they have spray paint stack charges, NFI, whatever that is.
dan friesen
So, Alex is reading whatever information is supposedly from police, and what this information tells is that Leroy Jenkins is one of the people who's one of the admins of this Facebook group, and some of the other names that he read off are also the admins of this Facebook group.
And because he's reading this out, it's very clear that whatever is supposed to have been told to him, which it's still Alex, so I have no idea if any of this information is even accurate.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
But assuming that it is, then the police have just told him that there is this group, that this is this Facebook group that is Boogaloo adjacent or inspired, and they have some...
And because Alex knows enough to know that that word means something, he has to say that it's a fake cutout group.
Because he accidentally read that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he knows what Boogaloo is, and he's just running cover for them.
That's it.
He knows what he's doing.
He is trying to make it so no matter what the Boogaloo movement does, it doesn't come back on...
Yeah.
He's running cover for him.
dan friesen
So Alex gets into a bad headspace here towards the end of his Saturday show where he's like, man, talk show hosting is hard.
alex jones
I mean, killing globalists will be so much easier doing a talk show than playing around.
I mean, it's so much easier, too.
And we're not going to do that, but you keep starting your fights, you're dead.
And that's what you need to know.
And the police know, and the public knows, and the military knows.
Everyone's sick of you, and you won't stop.
You won't back off.
You won't quit.
You won't stop messing with us constantly.
You're going to make us.
Gouge your eyeballs out, and you know it.
dan friesen
Okay.
All right, man.
jordan holmes
I honestly think Alex is lazy enough that if it were actually easier, he would probably do it.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I mean, nothing could be easier than doing his show the way he does it.
jordan holmes
I know, right?
dan friesen
It's so sloppy and so bad and so devoid of craft.
jordan holmes
You don't even need to be good at your job.
You spend the first ten minutes of every show saying that you can't even do your show.
dan friesen
Yeah, and then watching some of the Road Warriors.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And then lying.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We have one last clip here, and this is, you know, just while we're talking about how hard it is to do his job, please consider that this is August 1st.
alex jones
You know, I said that the Christmas in July would end yesterday, and it will end by tomorrow.
I haven't called the new special yet.
Store-wide free shipping, double Patriot points, still available.
dan friesen
He can't even do this.
He can't even do this side of it.
Christmas in July shouldn't exist in the first place, and definitely shouldn't happen in August.
Yeah, he's bad at everything.
jordan holmes
This is all just terrible.
You're going to do the same sale.
Just make up a different name.
dan friesen
Christmas in August.
Who gives a shit?
jordan holmes
Yeah, why not?
dan friesen
Fucking just do it.
Love Jesus in August sale.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Just do it.
jordan holmes
Who fucking cares?
Pick a holiday.
Arbor Day in August.
Who gives a shit?
dan friesen
No, two leftists.
jordan holmes
Fine, apologies.
dan friesen
Yeah, no way.
Caring about the trees.
jordan holmes
Men's Day in August.
dan friesen
There you go.
jordan holmes
Fucking do it.
Who gives a shit?
dan friesen
Yep.
So, you know, we come to the end of this, and I think that this was an extremist pageant that I'm glad didn't accidentally end up in any violence, to the best of my knowledge, at this point.
Who knows?
But yeah, I mean, he's playing with fire.
The way that he did this whole broadcast about how tonight and tomorrow Antifa's planning to blow up these police stations all around the country, all this, that's...
That's really risking the possibility of someone hurting somebody based on that reporting.
And then when you get a little bit further into it and you see the sources that he's relying on and you see, well, what this appears to be about is not all around the country.
It appears to be one Facebook group that is run by some Boogaloo folk who may or may not have been planning...
Something hostile.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's unclear.
And he's taking that and expanding it to the extent that he is.
Like, that's really fucking dangerous.
That's pretty scary.
That's pretty scary.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then...
jordan holmes
They're coming for your town next.
Ooh!
BLM and Antifa, they're gonna be in fucking bumfuck Idaho any moment now.
dan friesen
And when you have that at the end there when he's talking about killing people would be so much easier than doing this talk show and you would just keep pushing us and keep pushing us and you're gonna make us do this.
When you start to realize that you keep pushing us is fake stories that he's coming up with and telling his audience.
jordan holmes
I keep pushing you and I keep pushing you guys haven't actually murdered anybody yet!
On the scale that I want!
dan friesen
It becomes clear that this is almost like a self-perpetuating cycle that he's trying to antagonize and poke.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's hard not to say that he is, I mean, after, you know, he's covering for the Boogaloo movement, and he's actively encouraging his own audience to essentially start the Boogaloo movement on their own.
So, I think we know what kind of movement he likes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And honestly, I probably would have done this episode, I would have rather spent like two hours talking about that story that Del Bigtree told, because that to me is one of the most revealing things.
I had to step away.
jordan holmes
Can you diagnose him from a distance?
dan friesen
I'm actually not involved with the APA.
jordan holmes
Okay, well you got it.
dan friesen
Actually I am, but I'm involved with the Acolytes Protection Agency with Farouk and Bradshaw from the WWF in 1999.
I used to gamble with them backstage.
jordan holmes
You used to gamble with them backstage?
dan friesen
Yeah, I used to play poker with Farouk and Bradshaw.
jordan holmes
Alright, what do you diagnose them with?
dan friesen
Being too fun.
I don't know.
Anyway, we'll be back.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at KnowledgeFight and at GoToBedJordan.
dan friesen
Yep.
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
Download the show.
iTunes rate, review.
And if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area and help out those doing God's work right now.
unidentified
Indeed.
dan friesen
We will be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am Melania Trump's Shadow Chief of Staff.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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