Jordan Holmes and Dan Friesen dismantle Alex Jones’ July 31–August 1, 2020 claims: his baseless Antifa police takeover conspiracy (no evidence in Austin, Milwaukee, or other cities), the debunked CDC flu-COVID graph manipulation, and Del Bigtree’s vaccine disinformation. Jones also mislabeled a Boogaloo-linked militia as left-wing, risking violence with unverified claims. Meanwhile, Steve Pieczenik’s absurd COVID origins theory and authoritarian "business entity" rhetoric expose Jones’ network of fringe, often contradictory, voices—undermining credibility while pushing dangerous medical misinformation. [Automatically generated summary]
When you gave me one, I was like, this tastes exactly like Nashville Hot, and this was a great chip, and I never want to eat another one for the rest of my life.
But before we get down to business on this episode, Jordan, we need to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
So, first, Foutigue, F-U-T-T-I-G-U-E, thank you so much.
Although I was distracted because anytime I hear the word bindle, I can't help but think of a friend of mine from Missouri who described like sort of poser bohemian types.
Yeah, like walking around with a motherfucking Kindle and a bindle.
I feel like there might be some value in beginning this episode today by taking a look at a couple of stories from the past week or so that he covered and made completely unfounded assertions about, which have turned out to be complete nonsense.
The first story I'm going to check in on was the Twitter hack that happened a little while back, where verified accounts like Obama and Elon Musk had their accounts taken over and they were used to run a Bitcoin scam.
Back on July 17th, Alex covered the story, and this is how he presented it.
On July 31st, NBC 8 out of Tampa reported on the arrest of a 17-year-old Floridian dude named Graham Clark, who is accused of masterminding the hack.
From the article, quote, the charges he's facing include one count of organized fraud, 17 counts of communications fraud, one count of fraudulent use of personal information with over $100,000 or 30 or more victims, 10 counts of fraudulent use of personal information, and one count of access to computer or electronic device without authority.
Well, Clark was one of three suspected individuals in the scheme, the others being a 22-year-old named Nima Fazelli, aka Rolex, and a 19-year-old from the United Kingdom named Mason Shepard, aka Che Wan.
I have no idea why this article makes a big deal of their aliases, but they're fun.
Yeah.
Clark's arrest affidavit claims that he managed to get access to these Twitter accounts by lying to a Twitter employee and pretending he was a co-worker in IT.
Quote, Clark used social engineering to convince a Twitter employee that he was a co-worker in the IT department and had the employee provide credentials to access the customer service portal.
From the appearances of the information that's come out about this investigation so far, it looks like an almost impressively simple scam, and one that is nuts to think actually worked.
There's no evidence to support Alex's fabricated coverage of the story, but honestly, the other story he's lied about is much worse.
They have armed vehicles going around with men in pickup trucks, stopping traffic in downtown Austin, other areas, pointing guns at people, and the police are being told to stand down.
One man who kept doing this in front of police headquarters in front of the city council was shot dead last weekend when he pulled a gun on a man in his car while they had it blocked off and the man was pointing an AK-47 at the innocent citizen.
We still don't know the man's name who turned himself into police and was released.
Probably not white is the reason that they're not releasing the information about race war.
This is a very standard trick of white supremacist and white nationalist commentators.
Whenever there's a crime committed and the identity of the perpetrator is not announced, it's a default position for them to insist that it has to be because the perpetrator is a non-white person and that doesn't fit the narrative that the media wants to push.
This itself is a narrative that these racists want to push, namely that there's a cover-up of crimes being committed by minorities, which is part of the intentional plan to demonize white people.
You see this all over the white identity spectrum, and no matter how many times their speculation is wrong, they never stop pulling this move.
On July 31st, the man who shot Garrett Foster identified himself.
His name is Daniel Perry.
He is an active duty sergeant in the U.S. Army stationed at Fort Hood.
He claims that he shot Foster in self-defense and that Foster pointed his rifle at him.
Alex has made this claim, but the evidence that I've seen provided doesn't seem to support this argument, namely that he pointed his rifle at Perry.
If that is the case, he definitely shouldn't have done that, but I do think the argument of self-defense becomes a little bit murky when prior to the alleged self-defense, you drove your car into a crowd of people.
It could easily be argued, it seems to me, that if Foster did point his gun at the car, that could be an act of self-defense in defense of the people who could have been run over.
I don't think this case is as cut and dry as to hinge on whether or not Foster pointed his gun at the car, as if that determines whether it was okay to shoot him or not.
I don't think it's that simple, and I don't think even if there were to be evidence that he had his rifle raised, it justifies shooting him once you've already reached that point.
You know, if I was holding a rifle and a car was barreling towards me through a bunch of other people right at me, I would probably throw the rifle away and apologize gracefully.
So it should be pointed out that Daniel Perry is a white dude.
He's a 33-year-old white dude in the army.
So Alex's speculation was completely baseless.
And actually, it's just the product of his editorial position that's based in racism and white identity.
It was more important for Alex to push the notion that there's a cover-up of minority-involved crime to his audience than it was to deal with the story on its merits and through the lens of reality.
It should be mentioned that Daniel Perry almost certainly only identified himself on Friday because certain protest communities online had figured out who he was and they were posting his name.
Perry tried to delete his social media, but people had already taken screenshots of things like him responding to a June 19th tweet that Trump had put out saying, quote, any protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters, or low-lifes who are going to Oklahoma, please understand you will not be treated like you have been in New York, Seattle, or Minneapolis.
It will be a much different scene.
To that tweet, Perry replied, quote, send them to Texas.
There's some other pretty strong indications that have been dug up that he harbored some violent inclinations toward protesters and support for Trump, which calls into question his intentions when driving into a march of protesters.
I'll wait until there's more concrete information on this to make a more complete determination, but from the information I can find, it's hard to not feel like this guy should be at least tried for murder.
Whether or not convicted, probably should see the inside of a courtroom.
The larger point here, and the one that I want to make, is that Alex tried to pretend that the shooter was secretly a non-white person, so the media was covering up his identity.
When in reality, the shooter was a white army sergeant who seems to share some of the political beliefs that Alex espouses regularly.
And I have to say, I'm shocked.
So we start here on the 31st, which is Friday.
And, man, you know how, like, I don't know, if you're a band and you have one hit, you better open your fucking show with that hit.
About how this Saturday they're planning to take over the police station and burn it down.
They're actually trafficking this at meetings running the Democrats.
I mean, hell, the city councils are going to blow it up.
Blow up the police station.
Hell, that's public.
And now they're going to have overwatch snipers all over on top of parking garages that they're planning to shoot police and citizens if anyone stops Antifa taking control of major roads and setting up checkpoints.
I'm not kidding.
So you're going to have UT Tower shootings this weekend, I guess.
From coast to coast, from border to border, from sea to shining sea, the deep state globalist-controlled Democrats are planning this weekend the takeover of at least six more city police departments, starting with an attack plan this Saturday night.
Now, us exposing this may have them back down.
You'll say, oh, fake news from Jones, but you've already seen the takeover of police departments.
They have asked that we not actually show the documents themselves because you can tell what unit and groups they are, but the police think you have a right to know about this.
They have overwatch already with Antifa in apartments, in high-rises, on balconies, but mainly in parking garages, like their Army Special Operations Command or something.
And they are going to have men in pickup trucks that are already out there practicing setting up checkpoints, shutting down roads, and ordering people to roll down their windows and pledge allegiance to Antifa, like this individual was doing a week ago who got shot and killed downtown.
So, yeah, so now Alex has learned who the shooter was in the Austin situation.
And, you know, instead of being like, hey, sorry, I speculated that it was a non-white person and there's a racist conspiracy to cover up crimes being done by non-white people.
So that'll be the new narrative is just like complete self-defense argument because he found out, oh, it's a white guy who's in the army and has right-wing beliefs.
And so this is the type of time you're going to see bigger false flag event type things happen.
But I can tell you right now, ladies and gentlemen, that communist forces, that's what Antifa is, in the Soros-funded Democrat Party-funded combine, are planning assaults on new police stations and federal buildings tonight, all across the United States.
And when the Austin police bring photos and video of this to the mayor's office, they are told you are to stand down.
And the rest of the press is being given this information.
Of course, they're not reporting it because they're little toadies.
And, well, after all, the cops deserve to be shot in the back of the head.
And the police station deserves to be blown up.
It's in the official city council budget to bomb with a controlled demolition as a symbol of stopping police aid.
So, I mean, if they're publicly saying in the city council, blow up the police station, what do you think's going on?
So there's going to be a back-to-blue demonstration this Saturday.
I think Owen and Savannah Hernandez are going to be going, I don't want to go and overshadow it because it's not my rolling around downtown in the armored vehicle because we need ones we're getting shot at here.
Because this is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of their country.
And so wherever you are around the country, but if you're in Milwaukee or you're in Austin, Texas, or you're in Phoenix, Arizona, or you are in Los Angeles, California, or you're in New York City, or you're in Miami.
Yeah, so we'll get back to this because this is a big, big narrative.
And it took forever to figure out what he was talking about and what the reality of it is.
But for now, we have to jump off this because on Friday it was also announced that a lot of those Gheelane Maxwell documents were going to be released.
And my big position on this that I want to really stress is that I don't respect Alex's coverage of the Epstein story.
And I refuse to dignify it with any actual discussion.
Very smart.
Because I find that what he does is so distasteful and disgusting.
And I don't care what his position is.
It will never be valid, and it will never be any kind of information that an actual source could not provide for you.
And so I'm just, I don't care.
But there is something interesting that comes up that is a big swing.
And they tried to rebrand it to say it was Trump because Trump had a public, a private golf course that people came to and he's been videotaped with Epstein.
He did know Ghislaine Maxwell and all the rest of it.
But I love the idea that he's now trying to build into the narrative that the reason that everyone hates Trump is because he was a confidential one to out Jeffrey Epstein.
If these graphs were presented honestly, they would show flu death distributions from past years, which would end up revealing that the trajectory of flu deaths in the 2019-2020 season is completely normal.
You would expect to see flu deaths peaking around week 10 to 12 of the year and then drop from there, which is what you see in Alex's graph.
And based on the fact that they do this really dicey kind of game with data misrepresentation, and the fact that they don't mention that flu deaths are going down because flu season ended, and the fact that they don't include a graph of New York, which had the highest number of COVID-19 deaths during flu season, these all combine to create a lot of issues that Alex needs to address before any of this can be taken seriously.
Any statistician who would create something this shoddy is probably right to remain anonymous, since outing yourself as the person behind this makes it way too clear how willing you are to create bullshit graphs for money.
And I don't even, like, much like I don't respect Alex's stuff about Epstein, I really don't respect a lot of the anti-vax stuff, and mostly because a lot of the bigger things we've already hit on.
Like we've talked about a lot of those narratives already in the past, and it's just like it's exhausting to go over it over and over again.
That said, there is one moment that I think is so illuminating for the wrong reasons in Del Bigtree's appearance.
He tells a story, and I really think it sends the wrong message, but I think it sends exactly the message of the feeling that I have about people like him.
In that story, Del thinks that he's telling a story about how he learned to stand up for his own voice, which is why he won't back down from censorship he feels he's facing for his anti-vaxx bullshit.
However, upon a closer examination of that story, it doesn't make the point he thinks it does.
In the story, he has a shirt that he likes, which his friend tells him looks stupid.
In response to this influence from his peer, Del decides to change his shirt before going to school.
When his mother finds out about this, she takes him out of school and puts him in homeschooling.
This is not a story about rising above bullies or the influence of your peers.
It's a story about running away from it.
So you never have to confront that countervailing force.
The good version of this story is an empathetic mother telling little Dell that his shirt was cool and that his peers don't get to decide what he thinks is cool.
So he goes back to school the next day with that shirt on.
Yeah, as it stands, here's how this story works: Del received some influence from a peer, which he succumbed to.
When his mother found out, she overreacted to him changing his shirt and took him out of school, thereby isolating Del from having to regularly deal with the challenges of influences from his peers.
Instead of helping her child recognize that his opinions and tastes are valid, regardless of whether or not people agree with him, she unilaterally removes Del from the situation and puts him in an artificial and fully controlled environment where he won't have to make those tough choices anymore.
His mother basically created a bubble for him to live in where he wouldn't have to worry about people liking his shirt or not, instead of teaching him to validate his own feelings about the shirt, even if not everyone agreed that it was a cool shirt.
On a certain level, this is actually a perfect analogy for what Del Bigtree has done as a career.
His anti-vax bullshit doesn't stand up to the scrutiny of actual science and the standards of mainstream reporting, so he's metaphorically put himself in homeschool.
Thanks to millions of dollars from anti-vax donors like Bernard Sells, Del has created an insulated bubble where his ideas and narratives don't have to compete with the influence of his peers, who might tell him that his metaphorical shirt sucks.
He has his own safe space where he can wear his metaphorical shirt in the privacy of his homeschool media operation and pretend that he's vanquished and risen above outside influence, when in reality, all he's done is run away from it and hide.
Yeah.
I love the idea that he's telling this story that he's completely like it sends the exact wrong message, but something that is so salient to what he does now as an adult.
No, all of these childhood stories they tell like fondly, and if you analyze them for a second, you're like, well, that's one piece of the puzzle and how fucked up you are.
Thank you for adding that to the rich tapestry of your bullshit.
Yeah, I don't even see, I don't even hear from that story.
Like, granted, I have no idea what his life is like, but like, I didn't hear in that story him expressing that he was distraught about his friend not liking his shirt.
No, he was like, it seemed like it was all his mom's response to him changing the shirt.
Well, let's take Alex out of the equation and imagine anybody across any kind of respectable news spectrum saying, I have on the authority of my wife's tennis partner.
You've seen the footage in Utah, Colorado, New York, California, where somebody rolls one of it down and they go, St. Louis, are you for Black Lives Matter?
Yes, but I believe in all lives.
Boom in the head, Mama.
You're dead.
23-year-old mother of a two-year-old because she was white and because she didn't bow down to this racist ideology.
Austin police warn Antifa BLM planning terror attacks and mass shootings downtown.
And we show you a public document by a major manager company, CNDC, that manages a bunch of apartments downtown on the I-30 corridor that they were told by police to warn the tenants that Antifa is taken to the roofs with guns in their buildings and listed their buildings.
It's hard to tell that this is if it's because he can't read or because he's trying to make details harder to track down.
I'm not sure.
Or it could be just mistook it for CNBC and then just kind of this is the Guadalupe Neighborhood Development Corporation.
And Infowars has just posted a screenshot of what appears to be a letter from the GNDC to tenants asking them to report any suspicious activity because police had warned them that some, quote, people coming to Austin tomorrow may be armed and have plans to get on top of buildings along the I-35 Frontage Road.
This letter, if it's even real, says nothing about who these people are.
There's no mention of Antifa or anything else that Alex is adding to the story.
Well, there's only one group of people historically who have the training and the weaponry necessary to get on top of rooftops and scope out the area in order to provide sniper fire.
So this brings us to the second piece of information that's in that article on InfoWars.
The other part of this Antifa plot apparently comes from a Facebook page called the Texas State Guerrillas Militia, which is supposedly a left-wing militia.
Interestingly, if you try to Google that name, there's no search results other than message boards from like a day ago, and all of them link back to the InfoWars story.
If you go look at the Facebook page, it's pretty clear that this is not a left-wing militia.
At least one of the admins of this group has explicit Boogaloo iconography in his profile picture, and their banner image includes at least two of the people pictured wearing skull masks, which is a look that is regularly associated with that sort of community.
Since at least 2019 in August, he's been posting Boogaloo and Big Igloo-related memes, some of which involve killing law enforcement.
Sure.
The second person to become an admin in this Texas state guerrillas is a guy named Leroy Jenkins, which is obviously a fake name referencing the he doesn't have any posts prior to June 30th, but almost everything he's posted is Boogaloo related.
It goes on and on like this as you look at the members of the group's profiles.
This is not so much a left-wing Antifa group, the way Alex is trying to present it, as much as it is a Boogaloo-related group, which may or may not have planned the things that Alex is talking about.
I have no idea if there's any validity to the claim that they were planning something violent on their Facebook page, which is what Alex's conjecture is.
And I don't know that because it's a private group.
I'm not joining it, and Alex doesn't have any proof that he's posted of it.
If that is the case, though, then it makes sense that the Austin Police Department could have warned the Guadalupe neighborhood group to be cautious.
This ultimately could be a situation where there is an underlying real story, namely that a subset of the accelerationist Boogaloo types were trying to use the current social climate to trigger some violence.
But even that, Alex has failed to substantiate.
I'm not saying that that is the case.
I'm saying that is a possibility.
Even if that is the truth of the story, Alex is completely misrepresenting it to be some kind of an Antifa Black Lives Matter thing, as opposed to it being a group of gun absolutists who you'd absolutely love if only they were a little bit more universally racist.
So Alex touches back on the story of the doctor who's super into hydroxychloroquine, who also believes that people are having sex with demons in their sleep and what have you.
I just wanted to jump in to correct myself a tiny bit here.
After recording the episode, I went back and I watched the video of this from Alex's show.
And this is not actually an instance of Steve Pieczenik saying this twice, although it sounded a lot like it if you were listening to it.
I went and watched the video, and it is actually a weird editing thing that InfoWars screwed up.
I don't know how they did this.
I've never seen it before, but they just played Steve saying this twice.
I have no idea why.
I apologize that that slipped past me.
Anyway, I was wrong.
I made an assumption that Steve was reading the same thing twice when in reality it was a never-before-seen, very weird thing where InfoWars played the same audio twice for no reason.
And the video is the same.
the video plays twice.
Just a tiny little, I have no idea.
Anyway, can't explain it.
Anyway, back to the show.
I would probably even leave that aside for a moment if it weren't for the other slip-up that happens that I think he's being fed information.
Well, the problem is, believe it or not, unlike you and I or Tucker Carlson, he doesn't have the strength or the self-confidence to fire somebody in front of him.
He does it indirectly.
I've seen countless bosses like that, and they can never confront somebody directly.
So, wait, are you telling me that his reality TV show persona was sold to us as his actual persona during the campaign, thus making these idiots think they were electing one person?
But to be fair, when Bob Chapman came out and said that he'd seen a tape of Reagan getting pegged, it wasn't like they were trying to take down Reagan.
You have a moron like Conway, George Conway, half Filipino, never served our country, goes into the Lincoln Project, another idiot outpost, and makes three agreements where he says that Trump is not qualified, not competent.
You're talking about an ineffectual, narcissistic.
They go back into the street, they protest, and they say we want change and we want to get rid of our congressmen, our senators, and we need to have an effective financial program.
More than anything, America is a business entity.
More than anything else, we are a business entity.
Forget the notion that we have liberty, equality, that's nonsense.
Obviously, if a few globalists ended up having kayak accidents, I'm not calling for this because you'll get called in a federal court and so will I.
So no, we're serious.
I'm not going to do anything myself, but I'm just saying, instead of letting him have revolution and burn the country down and sell us out of the shi-coms in the old days, George Washington would just go after a few of these guys.
Abraham Lincoln would.
It'd all be over.
I mean, like you said, Trump's too big a wimp.
And I guess the Pentagon is all too, I mean, to actually go after a few people.
If you took money from the Chinese, if you're a traitor, well, you know, they take a dirt nap.
If a few of these people got in trouble, all the rest would turn and run.
They're a bunch of wimps.
But we have to hang out here under attack.
We have to deal with all the physical threats, which I'm happy to do.
And then no one else ever makes them pay is what I'm saying.
So anyway, another time that Steve has slipped, much like bringing up that Steve Conway's half-Filipino, is when he's complaining about that PBS documentary, the frontline thing about Alex.
If you end up with a white nationalist state, you'll end up then with a separatist, blue-eyed community as opposed to a brown-eyed community or whatever.
The logic of exclusion never relies on real reasons to exclude.
No.
And because the reasons are forced, artificial, and made up, they can be forced, artificial, and made up about any arbitrary distinction that you want to make.
And because these moves towards exclusion are always to make up for something else, they're always an excuse for why the economy isn't as good as it could be.
Don't have that kind of power as much as we have an absence of leadership and power at the head of our country and at the head of the conservative movement, which I think is just an American movement.
In fact, Trump was supposed to be that leader, but what you hear is apologia.
I can't believe how many times he says, Well, I'm sorry, that's not what I meant.
I really meant this.
He wavers and he's weak.
I mean, honestly, I would get in there and say, Get your together and bring in Melania to be your vice president or whoever you need, but this can't continue.
And you're going to have to come down and start firing systems one after another.
Do you like, here's the fucked up part is this is this is almost there.
I'll put 50 bucks down on this.
Here's what's almost certainly going to happen.
Shit's going to double, get worse.
We're going to get a vaccine.
The people who take the vaccine are going to be okay.
The people who refuse to take the vaccine are large enough in number that when they start dying, they're going to claim that we're killing them because we took the vaccine or that it wasn't real and that we're just killing them anyways.
And because they're going to continue spreading it, it's entirely possible that it could mutate and the fucking vaccine won't even do anything.
Or a secondary possibility is eventually there will be a vaccine that gets wide enough or comes.
And enough people take it that you end up with a certain amount of folks are just going to have negative reactions to any medication that anybody takes.
And the people like Alex, who are anti-vex, will use those instances of inevitable complications as proof that they were right all along.
So Alex is reading whatever information is supposedly from police.
And what this information tells is that Leroy Jenkins is one of the people who is one of the admins of this Facebook group.
And some of the other names that he read off are also the admins of this Facebook group.
And because he's reading this out, it's very clear that whatever is supposed to have been told to him, which it's still Alex, so I have no idea if any of this information is even accurate.
But assuming that it is, then the police have just told him that there is this group, that this is this Facebook group that is Boogaloo adjacent or inspired, and they have some plans.
And because Alex knows enough to know that that word means something, he has to say that it's a fake cutout group.
So, you know, we come to the end of this, and I think that this was an extremist pageant that I'm glad didn't accidentally end up in any violence to the best of my knowledge at this point.
All this, that's really risking the possibility of someone hurting somebody based on that reporting.
And then when you get a little bit further into it and you see the sources that he's relying on and you see, well, what this appears to be about is not all around the country.
It appears to be one Facebook group that is run by some Boogaloo folk who may or may not have been planning something hostile.
It's unclear.
And he's taking that and expanding it to the extent that he is.
And when you have like that at the end there when he's talking about like, you know, killing people would be so much easier than doing this talk show and you just keep pushing us and keep pushing us and you're going to make us do this.
When you start to realize that you keep pushing us is fake stories that he's coming up with and telling his audience.
I mean, after, you know, he's covering for the Boogaloo movement and he's actively encouraging his own audience to essentially start the Boogaloo movement on their own.
So I think we know what kind of movement he likes.
And honestly, I probably would have done this episode I would have rather spent like two hours talking about that story that Del Big Tree told because that to me is one of the most revealing things.