All Episodes
July 22, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
02:28:14
#459: July 17, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss how Alex Jones ended the past week on his show. In this installment, Alex discusses his support for the federal government's actions in Portland, introduces a confusing new supplement line, and closes the show a bit creepy.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
13:37
d
dan friesen
01:29:38
j
jordan holmes
33:58
Appearances
h
hodgetwins
02:25
m
millie weaver
01:08
Clips
d
donald j trump
00:04
| Copy link to current segment

Speaker Time Text
unidentified
*outro music*
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge.
Fight.
alex jones
Need money.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding me.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex, son of Dentist Jones.
jordan holmes
Son of David Bowie, Emmerich Jones.
dan friesen
Yes, yes.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
Uh-huh.
unidentified
What's up?
jordan holmes
Dan!
dan friesen
Hey, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question.
dan friesen
Jordan, excuse me.
unidentified
Forgot how to pronounce your name for a second.
jordan holmes
What's up?
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
I got an interesting bright spot for you.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
What do you got?
dan friesen
So, as you walked into the apartment today, you might have noticed that I have a couch in the living room now.
jordan holmes
You have most of a couch.
dan friesen
I built this couch that came, that I ordered, and unfortunately, as I was building it...
I noticed that one of the back pieces was broken.
And I was trying to install it and I actually stabbed myself in between my pointer and middle finger.
jordan holmes
That's a deep one.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it's a really bad place.
Right on the web between your fingers.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's the worst paper cut and instead you got stabbed with a couch.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's no good.
dan friesen
How many people out there have been stabbed by couches?
jordan holmes
Y 'all ever seen a couch stabbing?
dan friesen
Y 'all ever been stabbed by a couch?
You might be a redneck.
You've been stabbed by a couch.
Yeah, so I got stabbed.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh, uh-huh.
dan friesen
And so I needed to get a replacement part for it, obviously.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
Now, I ordered this couch from Wayfair.
I should say that I ordered it before the conspiracy started.
jordan holmes
This was, I can confirm it was ordered before it turns out that there was a child inside of that couch.
dan friesen
Family of six came on the couch.
No, I ordered it before these conspiracies started going around.
And in fact, when I saw the conspiracies come up, I'm like...
Hope that doesn't delay the couch.
unidentified
Hope this doesn't get in the way of my furniture.
dan friesen
And so it came, and it was broken, and I got kind of disappointed.
I got a little bit pissed off, because I'm used to dealing with really terrible customer service.
And I called the Wayfair customer service people, and of course, because of COVID and stuff, there was a delay.
I was on hold for a good 25 minutes or so.
But as soon as I started talking to somebody, the guy was like, I am so sorry.
Let's figure out what we can do.
Expressed another part to me.
And then, without me asking, took 20% off the couch.
It was the best customer service I've experienced in so long.
I don't think these conspiracy theories...
jordan holmes
Listen, hey, if you sell kids, you sell kids.
But I'm going to be honest, great customer service.
dan friesen
I don't think these conspiracy theories are true.
And in fact, I think that Wayfair might be my favorite company.
That I've had to deal with.
I mean, it's a small sample set of companies that I've really had to deal with customer service with, but they were above and beyond.
jordan holmes
Imagine if Comcast was like, let's figure out how to fix it.
I'm gonna have to send you to somebody else.
dan friesen
Not in Illinois.
So, the other thing that I was...
I decided, like, this guy is so nice that I'm just gonna go for it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I was like, hey, I don't...
jordan holmes
Do you love me?
dan friesen
I was like, this is probably a fucked up question to ask you, but...
jordan holmes
Are those kids?
dan friesen
You guys been getting any calls about that conspiracy stuff?
And to the guy's credit, he...
You know, it was very diplomatic because, you know, you can't answer that question.
You know, you can't...
For risk of saying something wrong, you've got to be sort of delicate.
And he was just like, I will say that I have gotten calls.
I just started thinking about how much of a bummer it is that this guy who just is excelling at his job...
Treated me as a customer so well.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Still has to deal with people calling in and making accusations.
jordan holmes
We gotta make some fake conspiracy theories about companies that really suck.
Make those people have to deal with...
Comcast absolutely probably sells children inside of their fucking modems.
That's why they're all named so stupidly.
dan friesen
The problem that I have with that is the people who are answering those calls don't deserve that.
Like, to have people call and accuse them and yell at them about stuff.
It's not their fault.
It's not the people at the call center's fault.
I don't want it to be directed towards them at all.
jordan holmes
Universal basic income, and if you work for Comcast, you get what you deserve.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no.
So anyway, my bright spot was dealing with customer service.
Surprisingly.
jordan holmes
Ironically.
Considering the world.
dan friesen
Yeah.
How about you?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is all of the very nice things that people have said to me.
Wishes of condolence and support.
My aunt did die Friday morning.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, that was back Friday morning.
So that's all at least complete.
So, that is what it is.
Thank you to everybody who has sent very nice messages.
dan friesen
And there was a St. Jude's card.
I don't know if I forwarded that on to you.
jordan holmes
Yes!
I saw that.
I didn't get the chance to take a look at that.
But, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What was that about?
dan friesen
There was a donation made in your aunt's memory by Mary Catherine.
Listener Mary Catherine.
jordan holmes
Oh, yes.
dan friesen
So, yeah, that got sent along from St. Jude's.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's wonderful.
Thank you very much, Mary Catherine.
I'm looking at that right now.
That's a very nice...
Very nice e-card, yeah.
Yeah, that's very, very nice.
dan friesen
So, sorry that you've had quite a weekend.
jordan holmes
Ah, it was a whirlwind!
Family's rough, Dan.
Don't do it!
Don't do it!
I'm a pass.
Hard pass.
dan friesen
See, I'm coming around on the other side of it.
I'm starting to actually like my family a bit more as I grow slightly healthier.
But I certainly understand the situation that you're describing.
jordan holmes
Ah, it'll happen.
dan friesen
But welcome back.
jordan holmes
We're back!
dan friesen
Yeah.
It was good to take a little bit of time off.
jordan holmes
It was necessary.
dan friesen
For your sake.
And then, you know, I had speculated on Friday's episode that we'd have another episode.
With maybe some guest or whatever.
But I thought about it and I realized it's just not as much fun without you.
If you're going through something or taking some time, let's all just take some time.
jordan holmes
No, listen.
You don't need to tell me.
I am great.
dan friesen
I get it.
jordan holmes
Don't worry.
dan friesen
That's the point.
So, Jordan, today we got...
I don't know what to tell you.
jordan holmes
How is there nothing to tell me?
Stone is tossing around a diet N-words.
What are we doing here?
dan friesen
We'll get to that in a second.
jordan holmes
What are we doing here?
dan friesen
We'll get to that in a second.
jordan holmes
There's gotta be fireworks, Dan!
dan friesen
Well, so, here's the thing.
This is not going to help the arguments that I am Alex Jones.
Alex has been out of studio.
jordan holmes
He's been out of studio!
You goddammit!
What is happening?
dan friesen
Every single time.
jordan holmes
How long was he gone?
dan friesen
He was gone Sunday.
He had people filling in.
Monday, he called in for a little bit and then Owen Troyer hosted.
And then today, as we're recording, Tuesday, David Knight and Owen Troyer hosted.
And Alex called in for like 20 minutes at the beginning of the show and yelled about China and some shit.
jordan holmes
So he listened to our episode on Saturday.
He's like, well, Jordan's not going to be there, so I don't need to worry about the Sunday through Tuesday.
Because he still doesn't realize we record on Tuesday.
You know, he'll be back to work tomorrow.
dan friesen
I mean, I don't know what's going on, but it's really suspicious.
I mean, I'm not saying that he's planning breaks around us, but look at this.
Okay?
jordan holmes
Okay.
How many are we in?
dan friesen
You had a bereavement break that we had to take that was on pretty short notice.
jordan holmes
Very short notice.
dan friesen
And then Alex is gone.
jordan holmes
Gone.
dan friesen
Sunday, Monday, Tuesday.
jordan holmes
What's the point?
It's not going to be on Knowledge Fight.
What's the point?
dan friesen
Now, a month ago, we had to take some little time off because I was moving.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Alex went on vacation.
jordan holmes
Right when I was moving.
Who's listening?
We might be the only people listening.
What's the point of him doing his show?
Look, I'm not going to do a stand-up show to zero people in the audience.
dan friesen
That's a fair point.
jordan holmes
At the very least, I know I've got two people in the audience acknowledged by this happening.
dan friesen
And I honestly think that this is one of those rare situations where the hecklers improve the show.
jordan holmes
Immeasurably.
dan friesen
We take the art form and we elevate it very slightly.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know what to think.
I'm starting to, like, if I was a little bit nuttier, I would really be convinced that there's something to this pattern.
jordan holmes
Okay, quick question.
dan friesen
But I'm not that into ascribing importance to coincidences, so...
jordan holmes
Is Wayfair selling a cabinet named Emmerich?
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
I don't know.
unidentified
I'm just saying.
dan friesen
We gotta look.
jordan holmes
I'm just saying.
There's a possibility.
dan friesen
That's actually the name of my couch.
jordan holmes
Well, what's in there?
dan friesen
So, what we've got is Alex's Friday show.
The last one he did before he left.
We got the July 17th, 2020.
I'm Dan.
This is 2020.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
This is the worst year.
The more you've said...
The year, the worst the year has gotten, Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe there is something to...
I should probably stop that.
jordan holmes
I am starting to believe that you're some sort of weird, unfortunate, ignorant, omnipotent being.
dan friesen
I certainly hope not.
jordan holmes
What you think comes to being, Dan.
dan friesen
Then I need to get back into mindfulness meditation.
jordan holmes
You gotta.
You fucking gotta.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
All right.
Well, anyway, we're going to go over that episode, and it's a mess.
It's stupid.
And at the end, it gets really, really inappropriate and very fucked up.
Of course.
In a way that I probably normally wouldn't cover, but because Alex has been out of studio, and honestly, I don't know what to do with this situation anymore, that I generally err on the side of not covering.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I'm talking about his son.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know what to do anymore, so we're going to talk about it a tiny bit.
jordan holmes
He's old enough now.
dan friesen
Well, I don't know.
I still have a little bit of uncertainty of exactly how to deal with things and how to treat him as a media entity, but at the point where Alex is constantly pushing him to the forefront and having him on his show...
I don't know how I give a free pass.
I don't know how I just ignore.
jordan holmes
Too late now.
dan friesen
I don't know.
If he was like 15, I would 100% ignore.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
I would absolutely have hands off.
But, you know, he's moved out, apparently.
Alex keeps saying that.
He's living on his own.
He is ostensibly an adult.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I don't know what to do.
Anyway, we'll talk about that more at the end of the episode.
jordan holmes
Gavin McGinnis tell you more about tits?
What's on the news?
dan friesen
He might have learned a few things from Gavin, and we'll see about that in a moment.
But before we get down to business on that, Jordan, we're going to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
So first, Captain Mud and Chops.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Captain.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Salute.
Next, Keith E. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Keith.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Michael S. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Michael.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Shaheen B. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Shaheen.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Melissa C. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, all one word, Purple Grant.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Purple Grant.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
And then, Sebastian K. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Sebastian.
dan friesen
And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So first of all, Janina J., thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Matthew C., thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate, that's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Janina, and thank you so much, Matthew.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.
dan friesen
I have a little bit of a mea culpa and an apology to make to you, to myself, to the audience, and to a hot sauce company.
I, unfortunately, due to carelessness, sloppiness, lack of rigidity in my workflow.
jordan holmes
Let's just call it user error.
dan friesen
Sure.
I lost a Q&A episode that we recorded.
It was about two hours long, and I pissed off that I lost it because we told the story of how we met.
I discussed a lot of stuff about my taste in hip-hop when I was younger.
jordan holmes
It was long.
dan friesen
Exhaustive, encyclopedic details about Anticon Records and all sorts of nonsense.
jordan holmes
It was impressive.
dan friesen
Yeah, and then also...
We did a taste testing of Peggy's vegan hot sauces that a listener sent us.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And we had such a revelatory experience where you realized that you loved hot foods.
jordan holmes
I loved hot sauce.
I loved every one of those hot sauces, and I was fine.
dan friesen
You thought that you couldn't handle them, but we had really hot versions of stuff, and you were just fine and enjoying it.
And I thought that was great, and then also some of them were avocado-based, and I thought I was allergic to avocados.
jordan holmes
You are not allergic to avocados.
unidentified
Apparently not.
jordan holmes
We came to a very self-revelatory kind of situation.
dan friesen
And now I can't find the audio, and maybe I'll be able to find it one day.
Maybe it's somewhere in some weird folder that I have, and I just don't know where it is.
jordan holmes
Don't Look Dad is the title of the podcast.
unidentified
It could be.
dan friesen
That's possible that it's somewhere.
But I can't bank on that.
And I feel really bad about that because I really would have loved to share that with the listeners.
But there's a second reason.
And that is because there were a bunch of shoutouts for listeners and donors on it.
And I didn't keep a record of the names that we shouted out on that.
And there were a bunch.
So here's what I want to say.
We are behind on shoutouts.
And we're working on ways to get...
Closer to current.
Unfortunately, one of those ways was doing these Q&A episodes.
jordan holmes
That was kind of a big strategy we had.
dan friesen
I kind of shot myself in the foot here.
There was that.
But we have some plans to be able to get closer to current in the future.
But right now, because of losing this Q&A episode, I do not know some names that need shoutouts.
So if you are listening and you haven't heard your name...
Shout it out.
And you have donated before May 15th.
Please send an email to knowledgefight at gmail.com and I'll expedite it to the front of the row.
And we will make sure that we make everything right.
I am not good at this, Jordan.
And I need to get better.
jordan holmes
Dan, the rest of the podcasting world is just like, thanks everyone for donating.
That's what they say.
That's what they do.
We shot ourselves in the foot before you ever even tried to record the Q&A.
dan friesen
I like playing drops of Alex saying funny things.
And I enjoy the people, some people like to throw some funny names.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
And also, you know, funny fake names.
People like hearing names.
I enjoy that aspect of it.
Please let me know, though.
We want to make things right as best we can, and we'll try to do that.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Now, Jordan, in lieu of an out-of-context drop, I do think, you mentioned this earlier, and I do think that it is relevant, and that is that over the weekend, or maybe...
I don't remember exactly what day it was.
I believe it was over the weekend.
Roger Stone was a guest on a radio show.
jordan holmes
Tossing it out there.
dan friesen
He might have used a little slur.
So let's check in on Roger.
Pretending that his phone...
jordan holmes
He didn't!
It didn't work!
It was a bad connection!
unidentified
But I also believe that your friendship and relationship and history with Donald Trump weighed more heavily than him just wanting to make sure that justice was done by a person in the justice system, that you were treated so unfairly.
There are thousands of people treated unfairly daily.
Hal, your number just happened to come up in the lottery.
I'm guessing it was more than just luck, Roger, right?
I don't really feel like arguing with this, me, bro.
I'm sorry, what was that?
Roger?
Roger?
I'm sorry, what did you say?
jordan holmes
Shit.
unidentified
I'm sorry, you're arguing with whom?
I thought we were having just a very spirited conversation.
What happened?
You have reached the phone of Roger Stone.
Would you not like to leave the conversation, sir?
jordan holmes
If you would like to be rat-fucked, please leave your name at the end of the beep.
unidentified
I hear that the line is not dead.
You're back.
jordan holmes
I don't know what that was.
unidentified
You there?
Yeah, I was talking and you said something about Negro, so I wasn't exactly sure.
jordan holmes
I did not.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
You're out of your mind.
unidentified
You're out of your mind.
Okay, well, we'll let the listeners decide.
Let me go to the next question, then.
alex jones
Whatever.
dan friesen
We'll let the listeners decide, and I've decided.
That was definitely Roger saying what he claims to not have.
jordan holmes
He didn't say that.
dan friesen
Now, I think there's two things here.
One is a joke, and one is a terrifying sort of reality.
The joke is this would be a great Twix commercial.
Chew it over with Twix.
Just Roger sitting like...
Second, the reality is, like, this is so indicative of, like, casual, just flippant use of these sorts of terms.
Like, you know, like, hey, anybody can pretend like, hey, it's not a hard R or something and pretend that.
But, you know what?
You're sitting there and you didn't say, I don't want to argue with this guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Roger said that word for a reason, and it's because he's a big old racist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's a big old bigot.
I don't know why you had Roger Stone on your show, first off.
Other than to say what he did.
Everybody got what they wanted out of it.
It's all bullshit.
I was so mad that people were...
I don't know why you have Roger Stone on your show now.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that it's not necessarily the best booking.
But I can see why he is of the moment in terms of the news.
He is a relevant topic, and if you can get an interview with him where you're allowed to get a little confrontational...
I don't know if it's the worst thing in the world.
I agree with you, though.
I don't know what you expect to get out of it.
jordan holmes
Also, what question was that?
Why would you bother answering a question that you already know the answer to?
dan friesen
You mean why would you ask that question?
jordan holmes
Roger Stone has been on a please, Trump, I have been your friend, I will do anything for you, give me a pardon or a commutation tour.
For a long time, and then he got it.
Of course he got it, because he's his friend, and he promised he would do whatever Trump wanted him to do.
Don't ask a question that would make Roger have to be like, well, I think this was justice being done.
Fuck off!
We all know why he got it.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I think that's why.
He's poking.
He's poking a little bit.
Hoping to elicit some response.
You just don't expect the response to be...
Roger saying to someone who he thinks can't be heard on the phone, I don't want to argue with this end.
jordan holmes
It's the best thing for both parties involved.
Roger Stone, what, is somebody going to think differently of Roger Stone?
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean that...
jordan holmes
What can he do?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
You already knew he was a bigot, now he just said it out loud.
dan friesen
It's pretty shocking, though.
unidentified
I was not shocked at all.
dan friesen
Here's what I'm saying.
I understand what you're saying, and I agree with you.
I think it's shocking because of the casualness of it.
Not hearing Roger use offensive language.
I think it's shocking that his mouth was near a phone that he knew was doing a radio interview.
jordan holmes
See, this is what I'm saying.
Lean into it, man.
You're free.
You have to, at this point, how do you not feel like you're untouchable?
You can't change anybody's opinion of you, and you literally cannot go to jail.
dan friesen
State charges.
jordan holmes
Fly around.
Start robbing fucking banks.
That's what I'm all about.
dan friesen
State charges.
jordan holmes
Like any part of the justice system fucking cares.
dan friesen
That's a fair point.
So anyway, this has been the Roger Corner.
We'll check in periodically whenever he says really fucked up things that he thinks aren't going to be recorded.
Apparently, I didn't listen to this, but apparently he's been denying that that was him.
jordan holmes
He didn't say it.
Oh, he was denying it wasn't him?
Was it Dan Vedanti?
dan friesen
No, it was...
jordan holmes
Credico.
It was Randy Credico.
dan friesen
It was Randy Credico doing an impression.
jordan holmes
It was Randy Credico doing a great Roger Stone impression.
dan friesen
We've been here before.
He's one of the only people who can do a good Roger.
So we jump in here on Friday the 17th and the things that are in the news certainly Portland also the Twitter who's just hacked.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, that's right.
dan friesen
Alex is talking about how a bunch of people Had their Twitters taken over and used for a Bitcoin scam?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or was it?
alex jones
When the Twitter hack happened, I recognized it was a message right away by who got hit.
Clearly, the Bitcoin scam was just a cover for who was really behind it, what was going on, and you better believe it's...
jordan holmes
Antifa.
alex jones
Patriots inside U.S. intelligence agencies.
jordan holmes
Damn it!
dan friesen
You were 180 off.
jordan holmes
Way off!
dan friesen
Completely the wrong direction.
jordan holmes
We're giving Patriots credit?
dan friesen
Yep, that was Patriots.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
So the good guys in intelligence did that, and then the cryptocurrency thing was just a cover, and Alex knows this because of who got their accounts.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Alex is just making this up.
jordan holmes
Oh man.
There's nothing that the good guys in intelligence would try and fake more than Jeff Bezos attempting to give money away.
dan friesen
Sure.
I mean, Alex's take on this will end up being like it was the good guys letting them know they've got all their DMs.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they've got it.
dan friesen
Alex will get into it a little bit more later and we'll talk about it then.
jordan holmes
They can pedophile ring you.
Secret indictments, Dan.
dan friesen
Sure.
So every...
Oh, God.
Okay.
Every second is precious is a lot of the theme that's going on here with Alex at the beginning.
And he's also wasting a lot of seconds.
This beginning of the episode is not good.
It's really fucked up.
But it's not like...
Alex isn't drunk.
He doesn't appear to be high or anything like that.
But he's just, like, off.
There's something off about him, and I don't know what it is.
And it just turned me the fuck off through most of this episode.
Like, I found his demeanor to be rough.
alex jones
And again, ladies and gentlemen, there is just so much unfolding.
And it's such a historic time that we are all in.
I just want everybody to think about each millisecond lost is precious.
People are ready to hear the truth now.
America is fighting a global consortium, literally trying to bankrupt us and cause a giant race war and break our back forever.
Do you really want that?
Even if you, again, are an atheist sociopath, you wouldn't want the country to go belly up.
Almost no one is going to get more power out of this except a very tiny group, and they're doing it, and they're already in power.
They're going to hurt their own investments and their own system because it's a spiritual fight, and they are slaves executing an operation.
So please think about visiting InfoWarsStore.com.
We have the Christmas in July sale going right now.
dan friesen
What the fuck is this?
What is this?
I don't know if that clip really fully encapsulated, but you can feel a little bit of the staccato rhythm.
There's something off about his sort of way of being on the show.
Even having listened to all of it, I'm not necessarily setting something up or teasing anything.
I just don't know what's going on.
There was a feeling that I had that was a little bit different.
It made me uncomfortable.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But what makes me more uncomfortable is that Alex has a guest pretty early on.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And it is Millennial Millie.
Millie Weaver.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Rainbow Snatch.
jordan holmes
Okay, here we go, Snatch.
dan friesen
I don't know if her investigation into the Sunshine Movement has borne fruit yet.
jordan holmes
The Sunshine Movement?
She's, I assume, forgotten that.
dan friesen
You don't even remember.
jordan holmes
No, I didn't remember immediately.
I had to stop and think about it.
dan friesen
She came on weeks back and said that they had mirrored the entire server.
jordan holmes
So much.
They had to dig through it.
dan friesen
I mean, they talk about it a tiny bit in this appearance, and she says that she's still got a mole on the inside.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
I don't know what's going on with this.
I haven't heard her come on Alex's show and really break down any specifics.
I don't know what's going on.
I'm gonna guess it's nothing.
jordan holmes
So far.
dan friesen
I would assume.
If she's dropping bombshells and they still haven't figured out who the mole is, I would assume that either these are bombshells.
There is no mole, or the Sunshine Movement don't care.
jordan holmes
They probably don't.
I would say all three.
dan friesen
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would take all three.
dan friesen
Anyway, Millie's really dumb, and here's one of those instances.
millie weaver
And one of the things that they talk about also, Alex, is that they actually believe that COVID-19 is a result of climate change.
So they include that in there as part of climate justice.
alex jones
Oh, they say because of COVID-19.
And because the climate change caused it, we've got to make X, Y, Z changes.
Exactly.
It's always the same.
And they also say, though, COVID-19 is good because it's going to teach us to lower our carbon footprint.
That's what this really is.
dan friesen
So Millie's talking about Biden's climate plans and such.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't really care about Rainbow Snatch's stupid interview.
She's showing up on the show to claim that Joe Biden is secretly a radical and that if he gets elected, he's going to use climate change fears to introduce his own climate Gestapo full of SJWs who want to force you to use different light bulbs or something.
It's very stupid and it's very difficult to listen to.
I pulled out that clip though because I felt like it really well captured the insincerity and lack of curiosity in the right wing, particularly in people who have anointed themselves as the people in the world who are responsible for conveying information.
If we're to believe Rainbow Snatch, she saw some Democrats connecting climate change to COVID-19, and her response to that seems to have just been rejecting the idea, not exploring it any further, and then bringing it up condescendingly on Alex's show, so as to give the audience the permission to reject the idea as well without doing any further analysis.
unidentified
What kind of idiot would say that the weather affects viruses?
jordan holmes
Anyways, a week ago I said that when it gets hot, viruses don't work anymore.
dan friesen
So what's the point here?
Shouldn't a person who has taken on the job of disseminating information hold themselves to a higher standard than what we're seeing here?
Shouldn't they feel like it's their job to actually understand the topics they're discussing before mocking them as nonsensical?
I would bet anything I own that Rainbow Snatch could not explain why people would connect COVID-19 to climate change.
And I would further bet that it never even crossed her mind that she should look into it before discussing it.
jordan holmes
Why would you?
dan friesen
She heard the connection, decided it was liberal lunacy, and moved on.
jordan holmes
Oh, liberals.
dan friesen
If she cared about the reality, she could have learned something by actually engaging with material and reading up on the subject, which is actually really important, this topic is, in terms of the future of the planet.
If she wanted a nice boil down of the topic, she could have read ProPublica's piece from May 7th titled, quote, How Climate Change is Contributing to Skyrocketing Rates of Infectious Disease.
The number one threat to humans in terms of unknown and undiscovered infectious diseases are animals that live in habitats like dense forests and, quote, wild and remote places out of reach of humans.
Under ideal circumstances, the animals, like certain bats that carry diseases and humans...
They would never make contact with most of them under normal circumstances, and there would be very small risks in terms of them infecting people and spreading to human hosts, whatever they're carrying.
However, there are a couple trends that have been happening that affect things that make the world we live in not ideal.
The first is that we're engaging in massive deforestation around the world, seeking to turn wild land into areas that we can use to make money.
The second is climate change, making previous habitats inhospitable to animals, causing them to move, like to seek out new sources of water and food or just good living.
jordan holmes
You saw a wolf in Chicago!
dan friesen
I did.
And sometimes because of these moves and these migrations, they end up closer to humans.
These two forces combine to increase the chances that animals that could carry new and novel infectious diseases will be in closer proximity to human settlements and also increase the likelihood of them infecting a person and causing an outbreak.
This is a very real concern, but it's not even the entirety of the concern from climate change as it relates to disease.
From this ProPublica article, roughly 60% of new pathogens come from animals, including those pressured by diversity loss.
And roughly one-third of those can be directly attributed to changes in human land use, meaning deforestation, the introduction of farming, development, or resource extraction in otherwise natural settings.
Vector-borne diseases, those carried by insects like mosquitoes and ticks and transferred in the blood of infected people, are also on the rise as warming weather and erratic precipitation vastly expand the geographic regions vulnerable to contagion.
Climate is even bringing old viruses back from the dead, thawing zombie contagions like the anthrax released from frozen reindeer in 2016, which came down from the Arctic and haunt us from the past.
This is not some new idea that people have just trotted out because of COVID-19.
You can easily find a retrospective study in the journal Environment International from January 2016, which discusses the history of scholarly literature on the connection between climate change and human infectious diseases.
If you read even a little bit of the information on the subject, it honestly starts to become laughable that anyone would think it would be possible for climate change is not Yeah.
For instance...
Why is there certain seasons for diseases?
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
If the seasons shift a little bit, do you think that would have an effect on disease seasons?
jordan holmes
No, flu season is just like a general vibe, man.
unidentified
Right, right.
jordan holmes
I feel like we're in flu season, you know?
dan friesen
It's sort of like, you know, I just know when I see it.
jordan holmes
If they had known, they would have let Rudolph play in those fucking reindeer games.
And instead they all got fucking anthrax.
That's what happens.
That's the story they don't want you to tell.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Santa didn't make it.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
That light was not enough.
You should have had two headlights.
dan friesen
Jesus.
jordan holmes
And bam, anthrax.
dan friesen
Like you should have had the wallflowers guiding this light.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Wait, that's one headlight.
Sorry.
Here are just a couple lines from the Environment International Study that I'd like Rainbow Snatch to think about.
Quote, a pathogen needs a certain temperature range to survive and develop.
Second, quote, climate change may cause shifts in precipitation, which affects the dissemination of waterborne pathogens.
And finally, quote, the pathogens of airborne infectious diseases, such as influenza, tend to be responsive to humidity conditions.
For example, absolute humidity and temperature were found to affect influenza virus transmission and survival.
The factors related to climate go on and on in terms of infectious diseases.
It's a very large...
I know that you and a lot of people listening are probably saying, of course.
But she's mocking this idea.
So I'm treating it like, oh, you don't understand.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
I understand completely.
dan friesen
From everything I can tell, she must not understand.
jordan holmes
She doesn't.
dan friesen
Otherwise, she would get that this is a very real thing.
jordan holmes
No, completely...
Completely blindsided by the idea that we live in a global ecosystem wherein one thing, even though you think it's unrelated, one button you think is unrelated to every other button press actually sets off a chain reaction of button presses leading to consequences that you cannot understand unless you, I don't know.
Dedicate your life to studying it.
dan friesen
It seems to me that in order for this to be true, her feeling to be true, or this mocking of this connection to be true, she must take issue with all germ theory, more or less.
They all do.
jordan holmes
Don't wear a mask.
dan friesen
It has to be a complete denial of...
jordan holmes
Viruses are God's wrath on you having abortions.
Of course they don't believe in germ theory.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There are a ton of ways that the changing climate can lead to very real new dangers in terms of public health, even if you're only talking about the subject from the perspective of infectious disease.
So when Rainbow Snatch wants to come on Infowars and hand-wave away the subject, I find it kind of difficult to take anything she's saying seriously.
When I say that these people, like Millie and Alex, are not serious people, this is a great example of what I mean.
When they encounter an idea that seems like a problem for their worldview, they don't consider the idea and try and understand it.
They immediately decide that the idea is liberal nonsense and then make up their own story about it.
That's not good work, but it's all these people are capable of.
That's why when Alex sees this Twitter hack, he's just decided to write a little novella about it.
jordan holmes
That's what all the people on Infowars are capable of.
So it does not surprise me that on every interview that Roger Stone did, they did not make one of his major credits.
Former InfoWars host Roger Stone.
They left that one out suspiciously.
dan friesen
And maybe coming back to hosting a war room with Owen.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because a guy needs a paycheck.
jordan holmes
He does need a paycheck and nobody else is hiring him.
dan friesen
Alex might be in a better negotiating position.
I'd have to pay him quite so much now.
jordan holmes
It sure would make your news outlook look kind of silly if you're like, we're having former InfoWars host Roger Stone on.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Every single introduction for every interview should include he got sued for lying about a guy on InfoWars and had to apologize and tried to blame an underling.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
How fucking dare you say that he was anything other than an InfoWars host now?
dan friesen
Mud-slinging pile of shit.
jordan holmes
Fuck off.
dan friesen
So, anyway, Millie Weaver talks a little bit more about stupid things, and one of them is that...
So, Alex doesn't want Trump to do a virtual convention, because he's strong.
He's a big boy.
unidentified
God.
dan friesen
Now, the Democrats are going to do a virtual convention, and Millie has an interesting theory about why.
jordan holmes
Let's hear it.
alex jones
What do you think is going to happen at the convention?
They're trying to make everything virtual.
I don't think Trump should give into this fear.
He should have his convention.
The Democrats are going to have a virtual convention.
You're going to be covering it.
millie weaver
Yes, I think Trump needs to push forward as he would have normally pushed forward.
I think the reason they're creating all of this is to try to hide the fact that Joe Biden doesn't have as much support as they would hope for him to have.
Try to hide the fact that he's really weak at debating.
He has issues from his strokes and whatever else.
I mean, they know that his policies are going to be called out.
They know that Trump is going to be the person to lay out just how bad Joe Biden is.
And I think that they're just trying to avoid that.
dan friesen
Does Milley think that there's going to be a presidential debate at the Democratic Convention?
jordan holmes
What does she think a regular convention would require of Joe Biden?
dan friesen
Blood sport.
jordan holmes
The virtual convention does not.
He's just there and then he talks.
dan friesen
He has to vanquish every senator in debate.
jordan holmes
This is not medieval times.
We don't choose a knight from one section of the DNC and then the other and they have to joust with Joe Biden.
dan friesen
Intellectual jousting.
They have to debate.
That is part of the Democratic National Convention.
jordan holmes
They want to hide the fact that he doesn't know how to debate with all the people who already agree with him.
dan friesen
Right.
He's won the fucking nomination already.
unidentified
It's not like, what's going to happen to everybody if they were there?
jordan holmes
They'd go, yay!
And somebody powerful would give a good speech like Obama's that would catapult them into the presidency next.
dan friesen
Well, I also do think there is something to be said for...
If there is a convention, there would be a certain contingent of people who would be protesting.
There would be some people on the left who would be protesting the Democratic Convention.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah, because fuck them.
They suck too.
dan friesen
And look, the issue there isn't...
You're not trying to avoid that by not having a convention.
You could do that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's more about there's a pandemic.
jordan holmes
There's that.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
There is that.
dan friesen
But it's really about not being able to debate.
jordan holmes
Does she think that the DNC and the RNC happened at the same time?
dan friesen
I don't know what she thinks.
jordan holmes
You have to talk to the other one.
It's like a giant game of Red Rover.
dan friesen
I honestly don't know.
I don't know what the ideas of...
Yeah, they're just going to have him on camera so he doesn't have to debate people.
What?
jordan holmes
Or hide his support, because even if he doesn't have as much support, he can fill out a 10,000-seater.
dan friesen
I would assume.
And if you're talking about this, if this is in the context of Trump and Biden debating...
I mean, I'll listen to that.
I don't know if they're going to do any debates.
I don't know if they're going to or if they would do a digital virtual debate.
I don't know.
If that's the conversation, then all right.
But if you're talking about the conventions, I don't know what you're talking about.
jordan holmes
I cannot imagine a reason for a debate.
I cannot think of any reason.
To get the two of them to talk.
dan friesen
It seems unlikely that you're going to sway anybody.
jordan holmes
It's silly.
It's silly.
If they debated, we're all just going to watch it and be like, can we vote for not America anymore?
I don't know what to vote for.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't.
I mean, in terms of tradition and there's always debates, you know.
jordan holmes
But yeah, there should be debates sometimes.
But in this one circumstance, specifically, there's no point.
dan friesen
I don't know if I have an opinion on it.
I think...
You know, there's a lot of people who think it's important to have those debates, and I can understand where they're coming from, and then I think that you have a very valid point that who gives a shit?
unidentified
Who fucking cares what these idiots have to say?
dan friesen
I think I would say that there's not many undecided voters.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
It feels unlikely.
jordan holmes
Look, I get it.
Trump is basically committing second-degree murder every single day and every time he speaks.
But I really want to know what his new tax plan is going to be.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And I won't decide until I compare it with what Biden says his tax plan is going to be.
dan friesen
Let's see.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
I would...
Yeah.
I don't know.
So...
jordan holmes
Biden, this question's for you.
Is the president killing people right now?
Yes.
Next question.
dan friesen
Trump, what is...
jordan holmes
Are you killing people?
dan friesen
What is the executive branch?
jordan holmes
That was a fake question.
dan friesen
That's a nasty question.
jordan holmes
Not a real question.
I'm king.
dan friesen
So Alex has decided that the Twitter hack is the good guys taking over parts of Twitter.
Why not?
And sending a message.
jordan holmes
Fine.
dan friesen
So he expands on this, and now apparently part of Google has been taken over.
alex jones
I can't get into the specifics.
I've been asked not to, but I can tell people that Google has been partially...
Recaptured by U.S. intelligence.
It was always set up by U.S. intelligence, but it had been handed over to multinationals and the Chinese.
As far as Google goes, about three weeks ago, they began to buckle to whatever this internal war is, Billy.
dan friesen
Alright, whatever, man.
This is a fun spy novel you're writing, Alex, but first of all, I don't think it's innovative in terms of the sort of just narrative structure.
I don't think anyone's going to publish this.
Doubtful.
jordan holmes
Did the British also recapture Fort Sumter?
dan friesen
They might have.
jordan holmes
How do you recapture Google?
dan friesen
I love the idea, too, that it's only part of Google.
jordan holmes
Wow, I mean, it's so segmented.
You know, like, they don't have any hands in YouTube.
That's a whole different department.
dan friesen
Clearly not.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
You can only conquer a section.
dan friesen
Molyneux channel isn't back, so...
jordan holmes
It's like in a video game.
It's like in those open world video games where it's like you conquered one region and now the rest of it you still have to is enemy territory.
dan friesen
Now Google is still operating exactly as it was before but part of it has been taken over.
There's a guy sitting at a cubicle and he has been annexed by the good guys in the government but the guy next to him is still a globalist.
We're working on it.
It's a game of inches.
jordan holmes
We are disappearing people slowly.
dan friesen
Wow, speaking of that, I think, so it's Tuesday as we're recording this, so I can't actually say for sure that Millie's prediction didn't come true, because who knows?
I mean, this evening, as John Gabrus says on podcasts a lot, night's a puppy.
Don't know what's going to happen this evening, but Millie will be wrong tomorrow if this doesn't happen.
alex jones
What is your view on Trump, the election with 108 days out, and what do you think is coming next?
millie weaver
Well, I'm going to be careful how I say this, but there may or may not be some joint four stars having some problems on Tuesday pertaining to the New York Times op-ed.
But that's all I can say.
So as far as what's coming next, that seems to be in the works.
alex jones
We were talking about how all the top generals have pissed on the president publicly ahead of the calls for a coup against the president.
They think they're getting brownie points, and word is there's going to be moves against them.
millie weaver
Draining the swamp, you know?
I mean, President Trump is doing his best to get it done.
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess cheering on, clearing out the military.
jordan holmes
So wait, we're trying to get rid of it?
dan friesen
Putting in loyalists.
jordan holmes
Don't they like...
unidentified
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
Pick a lane!
dan friesen
Hey, Jordan, how many four-star generals do you think are active right now?
jordan holmes
Um, six?
dan friesen
Eight.
jordan holmes
Eight.
dan friesen
There's only eight four-star generals.
jordan holmes
I was gonna say, that's why it's a real big deal to be a four-star general.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're way up there.
jordan holmes
It's like a huge deal.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I don't know if she realizes this, Rainbow Snatch, but...
All of them have made rank in Trump's term as president.
jordan holmes
That's because they're the swamp from Obama's time.
dan friesen
Nothing means anything.
I don't know what she's talking about.
Obviously, Tuesday's not over, so I don't know what's going to happen.
jordan holmes
There's a possibility.
dan friesen
But they seem to be really excited about the idea of Trump crushing all dissent within the military.
jordan holmes
No, it's a fringe idea now, but I give it another, I don't know, 30 days before the mainstream GOP is like, we should cancel the election.
It's going to be a mainstream thought, not having an election.
It's going to be brutal.
dan friesen
So, we haven't talked a whole lot about this, because Alex hasn't really talked a whole lot about it, but there's been a lot of goings on in Portland.
There have been nights upon nights, 50 or so nights of protests surrounding the Justice Center there.
We're going to talk about his breakdown of this a little bit, because I think it gives a lot of really good perspective on what's actually going on from a local perspective and from the perspective of somebody who's been there.
I've watched a lot of his streams and then some other folks who have been streaming.
On our last episode, I was saying that I don't have a real good sense of what's going on, and I still think that that's kind of the case.
I've apprised myself, and had by the time we recorded last, a lot of resources of people's, but I mean, I'm in Chicago.
I think that there's only so much of a perspective that you can get without...
jordan holmes
You're not on the ground.
dan friesen
Right.
And to that end, I feel like it's a story that would be very difficult to cover, especially as it's still active and going on because of the distance from it.
The same way that I feel like it would have been really hard for us to talk about the precise things that were going on with the autonomous zone.
I don't know exactly.
You kind of have to find some resources you can trust and go from there.
And so, we're going to talk about it a little bit, because Alex finally actually starts talking about it.
And I will say that his perspective is not good.
jordan holmes
It's great.
I love military secret police.
I want the feds to come in and take my property.
dan friesen
He basically is...
jordan holmes
Of course!
unidentified
After seeing the video today, Senator Wyden wants to know who's in charge of those officers, saying when Donald Trump sends federal law enforcement into Portland with no accountability, core questions about the physical safety and civil liberties of peaceful protesters are sure to follow.
Meanwhile, President Trump today...
Praise federal police actions here.
donald j trump
We're doing a great job in Portland.
Portland was very rough and they called us in and we did a good job.
alex jones
All right, we are back.
Now, why did I start this hour with that?
I've watched probably 30 minutes of footage of what's going on there just last night.
jordan holmes
Comprehensive.
alex jones
Sent in by the Democrats, sent in by George Soros with battle plans and action plans that we received from inside their criminal operation.
jordan holmes
Contracts.
alex jones
Three years ago.
jordan holmes
Contracts.
alex jones
Of how they direct us to try to get the general public to burn down federal buildings and other structures.
dan friesen
So we'll talk about the specifics a little bit more as the episode progresses, but for now, I just want to draw sharp attention to how the only primary source Alex ever trots out in these circumstances is that stupid fake Soros Antifa contract that Harrison Smith found on 4chan a couple years back.
This hoax-ass document is behind so much of his argument that it's legitimately embarrassing if you actually...
It should be.
Take a step back.
jordan holmes
It really should be.
dan friesen
So I was going through my files and I realized that I'd actually taken screenshots of all the pages of these fake documents since I was worried at the time that I couldn't rely on Alex to keep them up on his website.
Like, I figured they'd get exposed as fraud.
jordan holmes
You would hope.
dan friesen
So I wanted to have hard copies and I had them.
I reread them.
They're fucking hilarious.
I remembered that they were funny in terms of the idea of their existence, but man, it's so silly.
For one thing, if you go to the section on approved practices, it says, quote, Point of contact, D.A. Donnelly.
Do not name this individual in any...
unidentified
Jordan, stop laughing.
dan friesen
Do not is all caps.
Do not name this individual in any comms or in person.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
This does not leave this document...
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
If that name is so secret that you can't even say it to each other in person, then why, I ask you, would you fucking put it in a contract?
jordan holmes
You put it in the contract.
dan friesen
That's so awesomely stupid, just from an evil planning standpoint, that, like, if you think someone would do that, you probably watch too many movies.
jordan holmes
Don't you remember those pages in the 9-11 report where it was like, the Saudis did it?
Do you remember those, how they didn't redact those at all?
dan friesen
This doesn't leave this document.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this doesn't leave the document!
The Saudis did it!
dan friesen
No snitching.
In this section, you'll learn that if you're a Soros Antifa agent and you get into some hand-to-hand combat, quote, closed fists may be used only below the neck and above the belt.
jordan holmes
Well, that's just polite.
dan friesen
But, quote, open hands may be used wherever.
jordan holmes
Wow, it's Marquis of Queensbury rules, I believe.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, Jordan, quote, kicking is not permitted.
unidentified
Never!
dan friesen
Unless provoked with no other recourse.
jordan holmes
I had to kick him.
No, no, no.
He had my hands tied behind my back, and I had to kick him.
I had no choice.
dan friesen
You get taken to Soros HR, and they're like, you kicked a guy.
You gotta let you go.
jordan holmes
You kicked a guy.
dan friesen
You gotta let you go.
jordan holmes
Look, what are we, the cops?
We're not gonna keep you on.
dan friesen
So these documents are embarrassing and obvious fakes, but I started looking into it a little more, and I found something really interesting.
According to a recent article in Reuters, these documents have been resurfacing on social media, with people claiming that they were found at a George Floyd-related protest.
Fuck off.
Anyway, there's some added hilarity that can be found in this Reuters article.
For the longest time, Alex has been saying that these documents are between Antifa and George Soros' son, Alexander Soros, because that's the only son Alex knows about.
In reality, the document claims to be from Friends of Democracy, which is a PAC that was founded by Jonathan Soros, one of Soros' other kids who Alex doesn't know about.
Whoops.
Also, these forged documents appeared online in 2018, but purported to be from 2015 in the aftermath and unrest and protesting surrounding the killing of Freddie Gray in April of that year.
Now here's the problem.
jordan holmes
What's wrong?
dan friesen
Friends of Democracy didn't exist in 2015.
jordan holmes
Who says who?
Says who?
The SEC?
It secretly existed!
dan friesen
A year earlier, it had been reorganized and merged.
jordan holmes
They were the super friends of democracy back then.
dan friesen
It had gotten reorganized and merged in 2014 with another group called the Public Campaign Action Fund, and the new organization's name is Every Voice.
They're specifically a group focused on promoting the candidacies of folks who are running for office whose platforms include getting money out of campaigns.
That's what they're about.
At the time these contracts were supposed to have been made, the shadowy evil Soros company that is said to be involved didn't even exist.
This is very sad.
Even, like, tragic levels of fraudulent shit going on here that Alex is trying to present as real.
jordan holmes
Do you see what I'm saying about a debate?
What is the point of debating with people who believe this shit is real?
What are you going to say to them?
dan friesen
I mean, you laugh at this guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're just going to laugh at him, and then they're going to be like, well, look at Joe Biden laughing at the sacred honor of the title of president.
dan friesen
I think you do your best to not laugh at individuals for believing this, because it's easy to get...
We've all done it.
jordan holmes
Sure!
dan friesen
And it's not like, you know, getting fooled by something doesn't mean anything negative about you.
It's not like, you know, you shouldn't feel ashamed.
jordan holmes
It doesn't always mean something negative about you.
dan friesen
You shouldn't feel ashamed.
You can feel embarrassed if you like.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You should feel embarrassed and you should own up to it.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you can cop to that and move forward.
I think the laughing at the idea of believing this...
Is all you can do.
unidentified
Ridiculous.
dan friesen
Because you can't argue with anybody who believes this.
You shouldn't mock them, because that's kind of cruel.
But you can laugh at the idea of believing that they would make this kind of a fucking stupid contract.
jordan holmes
Unreal.
dan friesen
It's the best you can do.
jordan holmes
Unreal.
dan friesen
You can almost feel the desperation in Alex, though.
This guy who he loves and helped get elected is the guy who's doing all the things he spent his entire career yelling about the globalists doing.
And the only way Alex can make it look like anything other than he's just become a sellout for a dictator is if he has this contract that proves that the enemies that his dear leader is using to justify his crackdown are actual enemies after all.
Unfortunately, the document is fake and Alex is a sellout for a dictator.
This is really grim.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's grim.
dan friesen
The reality of the stuff that is going on...
In Portland, vis-a-vis federal law enforcement, is very in line with a lot of the stuff that Alex...
jordan holmes
I mean, it's insane.
dan friesen
But you know what?
I was thinking about this, and one of the things is this is the part where the rubber meets the road, where stuff that Alex talks about is often not fake.
I mean, he's lying about everything.
Of course.
The threat of federal law enforcement being used for law enforcement purposes domestically is real.
That's never something...
That's been a joke.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He was abusive to the concept of it.
It's the same thing that I think about with, like, his FEMA camp shit is bullshit, and that's nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it is based on, you know, a lot of fears that surrounded Rex 84. Sure.
Which was a real thing that was a plan to round up leftists.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And communists and immigrants and union organizers, things like that.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And it's not like it's that far in the past.
You can turn and look at China putting people on trains right now, you know?
Like, as far as the legitimate fear of being put into a camp.
dan friesen
Sure, I was talking more domestically, but yeah, that's a fair point.
jordan holmes
You know, you can see it.
Governments do do it.
Right.
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It's the stuff that's like, yes, Alex, you were always yelling about, like, Jade Helm and all that nonsense.
And, you know, you cried wolf too many times and you never really met what you were saying anyway.
But now there is the game that you made your career playing, being done, and you're on the side of the people you've always warned about.
And that's pretty sad.
It's pretty sad.
jordan holmes
Dan, you either die a hero or live long enough to give up everything that you've ever believed in and only shill pills for a dictator.
That's the quote from The Dark Knight, Dan.
Word for word.
dan friesen
We got some interesting pill news.
jordan holmes
It was a really weird movie.
dan friesen
We got some interesting pill news coming up.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course we do.
dan friesen
So, you know, maybe about a week or so ago, there was that video that went around of unidentified, you know, not wearing any identification, officers putting people in unmarked cars.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, democracy.
dan friesen
These reports were corroborated and that led to a much larger conversation about the goings-on in Portland.
And, man, Alex thinks it's fine.
alex jones
There's footage we played a few days ago of them ripping open doors with crowbars, going into the federal building parking garage, and then having to be thrown out.
Yeah, here's some footage right here.
These are people breaking into federal buildings.
Breaking into the federal courthouse so they can try to loot it with a hammer.
And then they get upset and the headlines are, oh, secret police are disappearing people.
No, you're breaking into a federal building.
dan friesen
So leaving aside that Alex is completely like sort of missing the point, dismissing the larger issues about what's going on in Portland, I want to take a moment to bask in the absurd and pathetic logic that he's using.
There are federal agents acting in law enforcement capacities in a United States city, which is the main thing he's made his career based on screaming about.
Obama was going to launch Jade Helm, Posse Comitatus, FEMA camps, they're all going to round up all the Christians.
That was his primary brand for years, and now we have an absolute clear-cut example of federal agents snatching people up in Portland, and what's Alex's response?
We're breaking into a federal building.
jordan holmes
Look, look!
Nobody that I know has ever broken into or harmed a federal building ever.
Right, Dan?
dan friesen
The people who were being detained by unidentified agents in unmarked cars, they weren't trying to break into a federal building at the time, but let's leave that aside for a moment.
jordan holmes
It existed.
dan friesen
If I'm not much mistaken, Alex was a huge fan of Ammon Bundy and the occupation of the Malhuer Wildlife Refuge back in 2016.
jordan holmes
Obviously a state wildlife refuge, Dan.
dan friesen
If the issue with the protesters in Portland is the building they are trying to get into the parking lot of is owned by the federal government, then that issue is going to pop up in the case of the Bundys too, I'm afraid.
jordan holmes
Look, no one owns...
dan friesen
So, it can't possibly be a situation where Alex thinks that the unidentified federal agents have the right to scoop up civilians if they encroach on federally owned things, because if that were the principle, then he would behave differently in other circumstances.
jordan holmes
No, of course.
I mean, as we all know, Alex cheered the federal agents trying to take down the Bundys.
I remember that clearly.
dan friesen
Where things get messy is that Alex isn't covering the actual story in Portland, partially because he doesn't care, and mostly because he sees the optics he knows how to use, so he's using the story the same way he uses every protest story.
Find some clips of someone wearing a black mask doing something that looks scary to old people in the suburbs, pretend it exists in a vacuum, use that perception to justify whatever police violence is used on the protesters, and move on.
This is not a case of out-of-control leftists just trying to take over a federal courthouse to loot it, as Alex is presenting.
And if you want a great explanation of what's going on in Portland like you recommended, I would also recommend Robert Evans' article on Bellingcat, which does a great job of fleshing out how things got to where we are now from the perspective of someone who's been there.
The whole time.
jordan holmes
I'm going to be honest, though.
If you work for Infowars, it is longer than four pages.
dan friesen
That is true.
jordan holmes
I will say that right now.
dan friesen
I actually don't know how large a font they use when they print things out.
Because Alex will say it's on page three of the website, and I don't know what that means.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So, as Robert lays out, things in Portland trace back to late May.
On the evening of the 29th, the city had their first protest related to the murder of George Floyd.
This was happening on what would be about the third night of a group called the Youth Liberation Movement occupying the steps in front of the Justice Center, and that is where the protests ended up converging that evening.
A large group surrounded that building and eventually broke in and trashed it.
From Robert, his article, quote, I watched all this happen from feet away, and it's my opinion that the destruction was unplanned, yet more or less inevitable.
You could feel it in the mood of the crowd.
The third precinct in Minneapolis had just burned.
There was absolutely no way Portland wasn't going to try to do the same thing.
The police showed up and they dispersed the crowd using tons of tear gas.
Protest is by definition supposed to be something that's kind of confrontational because that's the way these things work.
As such, things coalesced around the Justice Center as it took on an actual as well as symbolic importance to what was going on.
Nightly protests would occur at the Justice Center and they would often result in police tear gassing and shooting pepper balls at protesters, all sorts of issues with a fence.
Then on July 11th, U.S. Marshals straight up shot a guy named Donovan Labella in the head with a rubber bullet for no reason, which people didn't like.
This was one of the more egregious examples of this consistent pattern that started to form of police violence that has taken place in Portland and is now being carried out with the involvement of federal agents.
Alex's entire career demands that he be on the side of the protesters, but of course he's not.
Ultimately, I have to make peace with the fact that this podcast, you know, we can't do everything that I want to.
This can't be everything.
And it would be impossible for us to give the best, most accurate coverage of this unfolding and very much still ongoing situation in Portland.
So the best thing I can do is say and reiterate two things.
The first is to seek out sources of information that offer larger context, preferably people who have been there and know what's going on.
The second is that there's absolutely no more explicit and damning example of Alex Jones completely giving up the charade that was his career than his siding with the federal government here.
If you're a listener of his show and you accept this mealy-mouthed, but Antifa made Trump send federal troops into active police bullshit.
Except to be a backup of the fake-ass Soros documents, you're a sitting duck for whatever Alex pivots to.
jordan holmes
Just give it up.
dan friesen
You are a fucking leaf in the wind just being blown along.
Well, you might think you do.
I mean, it's got to be painful.
Anyway, I just see this as another one of these, these like, wow, Alex, you don't realize, or maybe you do realize how big of a deal this is based on Your whole career.
jordan holmes
We'll be able to let people know more when feds start disappearing people in Chicago, you know, next week.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, we'll see.
Trump has not, you know, there have been some signs that might not stay contained to one city.
jordan holmes
No, no.
I still maintain that if any of our congressmen or people under the age of 50 had...
Had the will to do it.
If they showed up on the front lines of Portland and made it an international incident that the federal government is disappearing our own politicians now, too, that would be the way to move forward.
And they're not doing it.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I don't know if that...
I feel like that would move the needle.
unidentified
You would hope.
jordan holmes
You would hope.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
jordan holmes
That would mean that there's no limit.
I don't fucking know anymore.
You're fair.
I also have no fucking clue.
dan friesen
But it's tragic to me in the sense that I always kind of hope that Alex will have some sort of backbone.
jordan holmes
You would think there would be some line that couldn't be crossed.
dan friesen
No, no.
I mean, Alex spent countless scenes in various quote-unquote documentaries of his.
Yelling at people in fatigues who happen to just be walking on the street.
You know, like people who do exercises.
You know, when they do a training exercise, he'll do a week of content about it when Obama was president.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, of course.
dan friesen
And now, it's such a complete betrayal of what he pretends to be about.
jordan holmes
I mean, even if it was a leftist group of proud Second Amendment leftists, of which there are plenty, The federal government literally came and took their guns away.
Alex would still be like, see, you've got to take away guns sometimes.
dan friesen
Well, see, I think you're right.
I think he would find a way to rationalize it.
And part of the reason I think that is because of how he talks about it in this next clip.
alex jones
They're asking, well, who are these men?
A lot of them are federal marshals, but most of them are U.S. military attached to the hostage rescue team.
So it's the military, and that's why you're getting grabbed and why they're grabbing you off, and then you're getting interrogated because you work for a foreign power.
You work with the CHICOM globalists literally trying to burn the country down, destroy the stock market, and bankrupt the economy.
You're a bad person.
You're a military operative.
You're an enemy combatant.
You're not an American citizen.
You said no borders, no wall, no USA at all.
You go around bullying people with hammers and guns and weapons, and you kill people, and you shoot people at four-way stops because they don't stop fast enough.
dan friesen
Alex, I think, is losing it a little bit there.
But that's how you'd rationalize no matter what.
No matter what.
jordan holmes
They're not even Americans.
Right.
dan friesen
They're enemy combatants.
jordan holmes
That's what you have to do.
We have been at a Cold War with our own citizenry for so long.
Now the Feds are just doing what we should be doing, I guess?
dan friesen
I don't know how you can say these things as someone who's made their...
Like, their premise, what Alex has, and not recognize just the worminess of it.
I don't even know another word for it.
That's definitely not the right word.
jordan holmes
Well, Trump came out and said that, in fact, Bush did not do 9-11, and it was exactly as we said it was, and I agree with him.
unidentified
I'm going to be honest, 9-11, not an inside job.
jordan holmes
I'm just going to say it right here.
dan friesen
That would not surprise me anymore.
jordan holmes
No, it wouldn't, right?
There's nothing.
dan friesen
Hey, I looked into it.
I read...
unidentified
I looked into it.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And actually, I never really thought it was an inside job.
jordan holmes
We had conversations.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
We talked about both sides.
unidentified
We talked about both sides in all my movies about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's sad.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's real sad.
dan friesen
Now, I mean, like, of course, what you do is you label the people enemy combatants.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And therefore, they can be kidnapped and interrogated.
I would argue that, like, alright.
I was 100% against and opposed to the occupation of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge.
If the military was coming in and, like, at night when everyone's sleeping...
jordan holmes
You started disappearing people?
You'd be like, that's too far, buddy.
dan friesen
I would be against it.
The shooting of Lavoie Finnicum?
I don't like the idea that someone ended up getting shot.
Now, granted, the circumstances surrounding that are not as clear-cut as just the police shot somebody.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I'm against them shooting anybody.
I would like for that whole situation to have ended without anybody dying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
But I think they're terrible.
dan friesen
I have no time for that bullshit.
And still, I would say that if they were being treated the same way the people in Portland are being treated, I would be...
On the Malhuar side.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
I would be opposed to their occupation, but I would be a larger, higher order problem.
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
Look, we'll deal with your occupation.
We gotta deal with this whole government going crazy.
dan friesen
Look, there's a lot of animals, and this is like Native American land.
jordan holmes
This is an issue.
dan friesen
And you should not be doing this.
jordan holmes
No, I'm with you.
This is wrong.
But seriously, the government's disappearing, people.
We've got to deal with that first.
dan friesen
You'd think that Alex would be capable of that kind of...
jordan holmes
It doesn't seem hard.
dan friesen
...thought.
It's possible to disagree with the political aims of these people in Portland if you decide to do that, if that's where you are, and still recognize that, like, oh, hey, that's my marquee issue.
I should probably be on the right side of this one.
unidentified
Yeah, you'd think.
dan friesen
And now Alex is just straight up like, they're lucky they're not dead.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
Those people, those Antifa slimes, are lucky their necks weren't broken.
After they've been hitting old people in the head with hammers and crap.
Just believe me, the people that arrested you and took you in for questioning to get your paperwork of who you're working for would love to break your communist neck.
You cowardly pieces of trash.
unidentified
I'm going to stop lanting right there.
alex jones
All right, let's just keep saying I'm going to get to the COVID news, and I haven't gotten to it yet.
jordan holmes
Oh, you're so sad.
alex jones
Because it's such big news.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
alex jones
And it's so over the top.
dan friesen
Alex is bringing out the hits.
jordan holmes
Oh, we're on it's such big news again.
dan friesen
Such big news.
jordan holmes
Oh, man, it's such big news.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, like, okay, what he's really talking about is that he believes that these protesters...
Have Soros contracts on them, like the fake ones that is intern found on 4chan.
jordan holmes
Is that part of the contract?
You have to always carry the contract with you?
dan friesen
Absolutely.
It's like a diplomatic tag or something.
jordan holmes
Is it like before everybody gets together and they're like, wait, wait, wait.
I don't know if Carl was allowed to do that.
And he's got to pull out his contract and he's flipping through it.
Nope, that one's still good, guys.
All right.
dan friesen
Wait, wait.
It says in the contract, don't pull out your contract.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
unidentified
Oh, no!
jordan holmes
This is all Donnelly's fault!
unidentified
Fuck!
jordan holmes
Don't say that name!
dan friesen
Yeah, it's fucked up.
It's really, really fucked up.
And, I mean, I didn't expect more of Alex, but I kind of would have hoped.
I mean, maybe just because it would have been a more appealing narrative for me.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That, like, he finally wakes up and recognizes, like, what the fuck?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And then tries to find some nuance, like tries to find some in-between land where it's like, alright, I believe in everything that I've supported Trump for this whole time, but I now recognize that those authoritarian tendencies that I was keenly aware of, and I mentioned, I was very clear on, in fact.
Eh, too much.
Maybe.
It's fucked up.
It's also fucked up to think that if Alex would have just resisted the siren song of supporting Trump, like, what he could be doing, like, how much, like, he's a liar, and everything would have been lies, but the world's circumstances are such that he could be giant right now.
jordan holmes
He really could have.
dan friesen
He could have won back over the left.
jordan holmes
How many fake-ass Twitter leftists suddenly became huge for saying dumb bullshit that doesn't mean anything?
They became huge!
unidentified
Alex is the king of dumb bullshit that doesn't mean anything.
dan friesen
Yeah, man, Alex could have, like, legit crushed if he would have just stayed the, like, no, I like Rand Paul.
jordan holmes
Oh, man, can you think of him, like, jumping on with the Russia hoax?
That made people...
I get what you're saying.
You know, like jumping on with Russiagate, piling on with Maddow and everybody being like, this is a whole conspiracy!
He would have killed it!
Oh, what an idiot.
dan friesen
I mean, I'm having a tough time responding to you because it's like you gotta rebook so much.
jordan holmes
Oh, I know.
From the jump.
dan friesen
But, I mean, just like if you assume that absent Alex...
You still would have ended up with Trump behaving the way he's behaving.
Yeah.
And the world circumstance.
Like, Alex supporting Trump didn't cause some sort of a butterfly effect that brought on COVID-19.
jordan holmes
It did not.
dan friesen
None of that stuff.
So if we're living in the exact same world, but with Alex against Trump, with his decades of there's a police state coming.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And, like, God, he would just be...
Probably one of the most famous people in the world.
jordan holmes
I mean, think of all the people on the left who are like, I didn't like him before, but now this guy's right on.
Even though we'd still do our show and reveal that everything he said was live.
dan friesen
This show wouldn't exist!
jordan holmes
They would love him!
dan friesen
This show probably wouldn't exist because I never would have gotten interested in listening to him.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Because I'm like, what the fuck is he doing?
jordan holmes
Oh man, we're rebooking everything.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
What an asshole.
Alex ruined our lives, dude!
dan friesen
What an asshole.
God, what a different world.
jordan holmes
He's so stupid.
He couldn't even keep away from Wayfair for a day.
It's true.
How could he deny the siren song of Trump?
dan friesen
Yeah, that's a good point.
It's probably inevitable.
Yeah.
So we get back to this Twitter thing here, and Alex talks a little bit more about it, and I think this is very stupid.
alex jones
This is what we need to see more of.
What happened?
To Twitter is beautiful.
I love Bill Gates and Bezos and all these anti-American slugs that got rich off our system and hate it, who were in bed with the globalists and the chi-coms.
I love it.
I love your private messages are ours.
I love the fact that the media is so stupid that they took the cover story that it's about Bitcoin.
dan friesen
At this point, I see no evidence to back up any of these claims.
Like, I see no evidence that this is a patriot hack against the globalists.
I can see no evidence that all these people's messages have been taken.
And most relevantly, I find it really hard to believe that people like Bill Gates or Obama would ever use a platform like Twitter for any kind of important communication.
jordan holmes
They've been sending out contracts through Twitter DMs for a while now.
dan friesen
If you imagine that they are in fact involved in some kind of a grand-scale conspiracy, there's no chance they'd say anything incriminating over Twitter.
That's what someone like Alex would do, or Roger, with his communications with Kucifer 2.0.
jordan holmes
Well, you just DM him!
dan friesen
The only person who was affected by that hack that I think probably has some fucked up stuff in his DMs is Elon Musk.
And Alex is trying to pretend that he wasn't one of the people who was targeted because he's kind of a good guy in Alex's world.
So that ruins the whole storyline.
jordan holmes
Topsy-turvy nonsense.
dan friesen
That dude is addicted to Twitter and acts like a dick on social media.
jordan holmes
And in real life.
dan friesen
Yeah, true.
I don't know him in real life.
I've seen him on Twitter.
I bet he's got some embarrassing messages that could be released.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is just Alex writing a story about a world event that's really based on nothing other than his own fantasies about an imaginary war that's going on just past the view of everyone but himself.
This is legitimately no different than Carrie Cassidy arguing that fires in California were a cover for aliens coming in through portals to eat people.
They're both claims that take an actual news story and write their own versions of them.
jordan holmes
Eh, more fun versions.
Well, in Carrie Cassidy's case.
In this one, it's very boring.
I'm bored by patriots trying to steal DMs.
Come on, man.
dan friesen
I don't disagree with you.
Now, it's debatable whether that is more boring than a Bitcoin scam.
jordan holmes
I would say it is.
Ooh, that is debatable.
dan friesen
It's a push, probably.
jordan holmes
It kind of is a push, isn't it?
Man, I was kind of hoping we'd get a digital French revolution where somebody hacked all of Bezos' money away.
dan friesen
Now, what if the spider leadership were doing the hack?
jordan holmes
Now that's good stuff!
Now we're in a writer's room, buddy.
dan friesen
Jordan, get the notepad.
jordan holmes
Alright, we got a movie.
dan friesen
So, you know, obviously, this whole thing with Alex and supporting Trump doing what he's doing vis-a-vis law enforcement in Portland, it makes sense because what Alex says in this next clip, I mean, it really just, this is pretty clear.
alex jones
Listen, the federal government's a separation of powers.
It's something we set up a long time ago to supposedly guard our freedoms.
Of course, it's corrupted, out of control.
Everything gets that way over time.
But we'll use it to defeat the CHICOMs and the globalists.
It's the weapon we have.
We can reform it now and later and whenever.
But if you think the federal government's your enemy compared to the CHICOMs and Hollywood and Big Tech, you're an idiot.
We need the federal government.
To clean out the globalists, clean out the Democrat operatives, clean out the hold-behinds from Comey and Hillary and all them that still think they're going to win.
dan friesen
So, I mean, it's, yeah, hey, federal government is a weapon that we can use against our real enemies, the left.
Democrats!
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We did it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, he's just really explicitly saying...
We are in control of the reins of power, and because of that, we can use that power to crush our political opposition.
But if there are other people in power, then the federal government's the enemy!
jordan holmes
Oh, it's the enemy!
It's evil!
First, they came for the leftists, and I was like, fuck yeah, I hate the leftists.
And then I was fine, because I'm a Nazi, and we just became Nazis.
Hooray!
dan friesen
So we get to this big COVID news, which isn't really...
jordan holmes
It's huge.
dan friesen
It's not.
jordan holmes
No, it's huge.
dan friesen
It's not.
alex jones
So here's some of the headlines.
Fatal motorcycle crash listed as COVID-19 in Florida, says state official.
jordan holmes
Got him.
dan friesen
As is pretty much always the case, Alex is reporting on bullshit that isn't even relevant by the time he's on air.
In this case, a man in Florida who died in a motorcycle crash and had tested positive for COVID-19 had been initially counted as a COVID death.
However, upon review, he was taken out of that data pool.
One of the reasons for there being a question about a death like this is that there's a cause for review.
There's a very slight possibility that even in the case of a motorcycle crash, that COVID-19 could have been a contributing factor to the death.
Is it possible that he only crashed because of a bout of severe coughing?
It's probably unlikely, but it's a question that's relevant and people should ask.
Anyway, the state of Florida has explicit exclusion criteria in place that has deaths from trauma, murder, suicide, overdose, and vehicle accidents removed from COVID death data.
So this is basically a non-story that Alex is reporting as huge bombshell COVID news.
jordan holmes
It is so annoying to me that people have already thought of how this could happen and created a process by which they could revise it.
Oh, how evil it is.
What a bunch of idiots.
They accidentally classified it.
No, they purposefully classified it as a COVID death in order to goose the numbers.
And then somehow through the process that they already had in place, they found it and they revised it.
So things work.
dan friesen
Yep.
Bombshell.
jordan holmes
Not a bombshell story.
dan friesen
We got more headlines about COVID.
Alex just reads these headlines.
And then a couple of them he does a little dance about for a bit.
But there's no real analysis.
alex jones
Virus pandemic drastic measures as death toll sets record AP.
And they look at counties that had had no deaths before and have a few now that they're doing testing.
And they go, oh, it's a spike in that area.
That's how they manipulate the statistics, even though deaths are way down.
dan friesen
So you can kind of see how the goalposts are being moved in order to help maintain the big deal kind of position.
The thing Alex is hiding behind is that in the initial wave of cases and deaths, the largest city in the United States was the epicenter.
New York City has a massive population, and the population density is such that transmission was out of control.
These factors created a perfect storm where there were a large number of deaths in a single area.
As time has gone on and New York has largely gotten the virus in check, the death numbers have dropped drastically in the northeast of the country.
This drop is enough to have masked the surges and deaths that have been seen in the south and in states like Arizona and California and around in the southwest.
These areas are going up pretty seriously, but often in areas that are not of similar populations to New York.
And naturally, the gross number of deaths are going to be lower for the country, even though they're higher in these regions.
And you do need to pay attention to stuff like that if you...
jordan holmes
You would think.
dan friesen
Obviously, I have no idea what's going to happen, but it's a bit troubling to hear Alex pivot from there are no deaths increasing to there are some deaths increasing, but they're in small areas.
It seems like a guy who's just trying to explain away deaths that are inconvenient.
jordan holmes
Hey, don't need to worry about it.
They're not from here!
dan friesen
So, we've heard that Trump has taken the reporting away from the CDC, the Centers for Disease Control.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, no, no, that's a smart idea that we should allow him to do.
dan friesen
Alex is into it.
alex jones
Disappearance of COVID-19 data from CDC website spurs outcry.
Well, the CDC's run by Fauci has been proven to be a total lie and a total fraud and is designed to keep us closed.
Good.
unidentified
Trump runs the federal government.
alex jones
Cut him off.
dan friesen
Firstly, Fauci does not run the CDC.
Second, they're not proven to be frauds, and they're also not trying to keep the country closed.
Beyond that, I'm a little bit torn about this move on the Trump administration's part to make the reporting taken away from the CDC and then house it within the Department of Health and Human Services.
On the one hand, if the reporting's being done appropriately and professionally, then it seems like the HHS...
is a relevant department for that to run through.
And ultimately, the CDC is part of the HHS.
You know, if in fact that this is just an instance of rolling out a new, possibly updated system, then it might not be a totally negative thing.
That said...
I don't really trust anything that I just said to be accurate.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
I don't trust that the Trump administration is going to make moves to provide better data about a politically inconvenient outbreak.
And honestly, I don't think that I would trust them to make this kind of move, even if it weren't in the middle of a pandemic.
The timing is weird, to say the least.
And it seems like a pretty shady move.
At very least, it's a bad decision because of the timing.
We're in the middle of a public health situation, and making changes to how things are reported is going to inevitably lead to some hiccups.
Anytime you migrate systems, there are some things you end up learning by experience, making mistakes.
Those mistakes could be very detrimental in the current landscape, and we may not be able to afford to make them.
Honestly, they could be hugely consequential.
And that's why the National Governors Association wrote Trump a letter asking that he delay this shift in the system and to make all of the information public.
The chair said, quote, sudden changes impose undue burdens on state health departments and hospital systems which are already working at full capacity.
This wasn't some leftist, globalist nonsense.
This was, quote, on behalf of the governors in all 55 states and territories.
Anyway, what Alex is doing here is cheering for a cover-up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Whether or not, like, I mean...
I can't say how things are going to go.
And if there was the possibility of a smooth transition and appropriate data keeping, I don't know necessarily if it's the most monstrous thing.
Doing it now can only lead to unforeseen troubles.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, we're at the point where they've lost any benefit of the doubt.
So, don't care.
Don't care what their motivations are, whether or not they can even do a good job.
You've lost the benefit of the doubt until you prove it.
And we're at the point now where, unfortunately, it's going to come down to people to have to actually be like...
We won't do this.
You can say we're transferring it to the HHS or the White House or whatever, but the CDC is going to keep the data and put it up.
That's where we're at.
You have to say no to the President of the United States.
dan friesen
Also, Alex should be on the side of all of the state governments.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
You don't understand.
They're all leftists.
They're all leftists.
They're all in Antifa.
They're all globalists.
They've all signed the contracts.
They're all deep state, Dan.
They're all believers in Satan.
They're all doing all this.
dan friesen
26 are Republicans.
jordan holmes
Well, those are the leftist Republicans!
Sure.
In Antifa!
dan friesen
So anyway, when he's covering these bits of news, it's just reading headlines.
There's no deeper coverage of it at all.
alex jones
The housing crisis of 2020.
Millions of Americans miss their first rent payments and tens of millions could be evicted.
California churches have been shut down.
jordan holmes
That's it.
alex jones
And the NFL season may be in jeopardy.
That is just some of what we're going to be covering here today, ladies and gentlemen.
Infowars.com.
Newswars.com.
Please don't forget, we have the Christmas in July sale.
Beautiful.
We have the Christmas in July sale.
dan friesen
So what's his take on either of those stories?
jordan holmes
Dan, I think, personally, a good bellwether for whether or not I'm doing a good job is, can I be replaced by a news ticker at the bottom of a CNN?
dan friesen
Does the news ticker yell?
Not yet.
jordan holmes
What if it was in all caps?
dan friesen
Then we're good.
jordan holmes
Then I'm gone.
You're right.
Fair enough.
dan friesen
I'm gonna just pull an audible and skip the next like three clicks.
Alex interviews this woman.
I can't remember her name.
I apologize.
I didn't write it down.
She's made a documentary about incels and also does not approve of the use of that term.
Apparently it's sort of a pejorative that the media throws around.
She has a lot more nuanced of a take on On the whole situation.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
I'm not sure I ever want to watch her documentary.
I'm not sure.
I think that she's a great thinker.
Based on the fact that she's on Infowars and she seems to be into Alex.
jordan holmes
Lost the benefit of the doubt.
dan friesen
Yes.
But the interview is kind of pointless and a lot of it ends up just being Alex talking over her and kind of...
jordan holmes
Well, she's a woman.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not really all that interesting.
I cut clips of it on the thought that, you know, hey, maybe something will happen.
And I look at these clips and I'm like, nothing happens in that interview.
While we were recording for the last 40 minutes, I forgot it was coming up.
jordan holmes
See, that's an issue.
I think we're fine.
dan friesen
Anyway, that interview doesn't go well.
And Alex gets back to talking about his business.
And it turns out he's mad that Trump's, what is it, niece?
He's writing a book?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Put out the book?
Mary?
jordan holmes
Mary Chomp?
Oh, we found out so much that we had no idea would be true.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, he thinks it's like totally normal for families to have non-disclosure agreements?
jordan holmes
Sure!
alex jones
And we've got a lot of other news we're going to be hitting as well, but I wanted to play the niece of the president who already got paid out a bunch of money and signed a contract in her family not to make stuff up if she got those millions of dollars.
That's a contract.
Every family's got these deadbeats in them.
And now she comes out and she says, Donald Trump says the N-word all the time.
Folks, I checked into Donald Trump.
I know people that have stayed at his house 10, 15 times.
I know people that don't know.
Donald Trump has never said anything racist about black people.
And my God, his son-in-law is an Orthodox Jew.
He's pro-Israel.
dan friesen
Why did you jump into Jewish people?
jordan holmes
Look, he's never said anything racist about black people.
His son's a Jew.
dan friesen
Why did that?
I don't understand that hinge, but whatever.
He pivoted strangely.
I would say that you don't need to sign a contract that you agree to not make things up about people.
jordan holmes
Usually, now that's called a non-disparagement.
I believe.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Something along those lines.
A non-disclosure is...
dan friesen
Non-disparagement still isn't making things up about people.
You can still, like...
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
That's just regular old libel.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Don't talk bad about your time working for this company or whatever.
jordan holmes
Like my time working for Coupon Cabin.
dan friesen
Which was wonderful.
jordan holmes
Which was shit.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
I got them to get rid of it.
unidentified
That's right.
dan friesen
You didn't sign the non-disparagement.
But you still couldn't make things up about the time there.
jordan holmes
No, I would never make things up.
dan friesen
You couldn't make up materially false things.
Because you could still end up getting in trouble.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
You can't make someone sign a contract for what Alex is describing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or anyway, no one would.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But look, man, Trump's never said anything racist.
jordan holmes
See, now that's so stupid.
That's so stupid.
That's so incredibly stupid.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no.
You don't understand.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Because you could just say, look, you could say easily what's true for every white person, which is there's been some racism because we're ingrained it in the fucking culture, and we've gotten past it, and we've grown beyond it.
We're better people.
dan friesen
Jordan, you don't understand.
jordan holmes
No one's a saint, especially not the guy who's being racist as we speak.
dan friesen
You do not understand.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
That is a matter of lack of control, and Trump is so in control.
jordan holmes
That sounds crazy.
unidentified
Have you heard the president use the N-word?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And anti-Semitic slurs specifically?
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
alex jones
Donald Trump is all about being in control.
Trump doesn't say something in his sleep he doesn't want to say.
This is crap, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
So this is pretty funny to me, and I could have gone and found a compilation of Trump saying completely nonsensical things to rebut this, but I felt that would have been low-hanging fruit, and I can do better than that.
jordan holmes
We expect more from you, Dad.
dan friesen
Because I've been listening to Alex for a long time, I remember how back in January 2017, just before Trump's inauguration, Alex got trolled by a guy on Twitter into thinking that tapes of Trump saying the N-word on The Apprentice were about to get released.
This guy pretended to be an NBC employee and just randomly sent Paul Joseph Watson a DM saying this stuff, and without doing any checking into the story, Paul wrote up an article about it, and then Alex filmed an emergency damage control report that went something like this.
alex jones
We are now about three and a half days out from this historic event taking place, and Paul Watson wrote a big story yesterday concerning a NBC source, and it looks credible.
I'm not saying the report's credible.
I'm saying that the source, it looks like he is at NBC.
dan friesen
Random guy on Twitter.
alex jones
Quite a few sources.
I'll just leave it at that.
jordan holmes
Quite a few.
alex jones
They're saying that there is a tape compilation going back over the 14 seasons or whatever of The Apprentice with him sitting in the chair saying things like his son's retarded and making dirty jokes and supposedly the N-word.
You know, the thing about Trump, whether this is true or not, is the top people that have known him for a long time, is he does like to basically tell dirty jokes, anything that a comedian would do.
And he doesn't even do it that often, but almost like a stress reliever or a way to break the ice.
He will sit there and a lot of times actually deprecate himself as well.
dan friesen
So, I mean, like, a slightly different take.
jordan holmes
Well, he's never said anything out of control in his entire life.
dan friesen
Seems like he likes to sit down and have, like, a ribald humor.
jordan holmes
Also, is that a defense of Trump?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
She's like, yeah, I've heard him say the N-word.
Yeah, I've heard him say racial slurs.
And Alex is like, he's never said anything that he didn't mean to say.
dan friesen
No, he's saying that she's lying.
jordan holmes
I know.
But at the same time...
dan friesen
Well, I mean, that would sort of raise the question of if Trump is in such great control of himself, how do you explain all the nonsense?
I mean, that opens up a can of worms that I don't think we have time to unpack right now.
jordan holmes
No, it's very big.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Or it's actually very small.
He's an idiot.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
So Alex has another guest, and by that I mean he has two guests and they're twins.
jordan holmes
Alright.
Did Diamond and Cell become Secret Twins?
dan friesen
No.
These are a couple of dudes.
They go by the name of the Hodge Twins.
jordan holmes
Alright.
John Hodgman and Don Hodgman?
dan friesen
God, I wish it was fucking John Hodgman.
That would be amazing.
jordan holmes
That would be amazing.
dan friesen
No, it's these two guys.
I believe they became...
I think they were comedians.
Didn't work out.
jordan holmes
Tried to be the next Sklar Brothers and it didn't go well.
dan friesen
Right.
And then they do some comedic videos on YouTube.
Maybe some fitness stuff.
Because they're very, very in shape.
And now have found themselves in the position of black conservative Trump voices on social media.
jordan holmes
Oh, how do you just find yourself there?
So wild.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're not good at this.
It's really annoying.
Listening to this interview was tough for a couple of reasons.
One, because...
I mean, just elementary things that they have wrong.
Just make it so like, okay, I don't really respect the position that you're coming from.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because you're just like, there's base level deceptions you're trying to pull off.
And that means like, I don't care.
You're not serious about what you're doing.
And then the second one is because it's so transparent how much Alex is using them.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He doesn't even know their names.
jordan holmes
Why would he?
dan friesen
He calls them like...
Twins.
jordan holmes
Yeah, great.
He doesn't know what their first names are.
dan friesen
Which is weird.
If you're having people on as guests, you'd think you would maybe take the time to know what their names are.
No, it's just two guys who look the same.
Twins.
jordan holmes
They said that Trump said the N-word, so I need to have black people on.
I don't care who they are.
dan friesen
So, when I say they just get elementary things wrong, this is kind of...
Just about where I was like, okay, I don't care.
It was really early in the interview, and you say things like this, and it's just like, alright, you end up in a box, and that box is someone who's running a con.
hodgetwins
Like, he was just on CBS News getting interviewed by a reporter.
Yeah, she asked a question that was based on a false assumption.
Why is black people still being killed in America?
That's because she doesn't want the truth.
She has an agenda.
People of all races are down at the hands of police officers.
And Trump made a very statistical, a great fact, a statistical fact, based on math, based on science.
He said more white people are being shot and killed by cops than blacks.
Yeah, but see, they don't want the public to know that.
Because if the public knows that their narrative, that they're pushing, that black people are being hunted down in America, it falls apart.
dan friesen
Right off the bat, police killing people is bad, regardless of the race of the victim.
I'm not sure that it's a good argument for people to say the protests about police killing black people are bad because police actually kill more white people.
jordan holmes
So we shouldn't be protesting, Dan?
dan friesen
That seems dumb.
I don't really understand the logic and how that tracks, but whatever.
That's a minor issue that I have.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
The larger issue is that the interview that the Honch twins are talking about here included Trump using a very explicit dog whistle to racists.
The interviewer asked, quote, why are African Americans still dying at the hands of law enforcement?
To which Trump replied, quote, and so are white people.
What a terrible question to ask.
So are white people.
More white people, by the way.
More white people.
It is true that more total white people are killed by police each year than black Americans, but that is a meaningless statistic in the context it's being used because there are not an equal number of white and black people in the country.
jordan holmes
Oh, wait, so are you going to use math or science to make a great fact?
dan friesen
Studies have been done on the differential between the rates, and they've consistently shown that black people in America are considerably more likely to be killed by police.
When the statistics have been adjusted to compensate for population differences.
According to The Guardian, black people are more than twice as likely to be killed by police than white people in America.
Quote, in 2016, black men aged 15 to 34 were nine times more likely than other Americans to be killed by law enforcement officers, and they were killed at four times the rate of young white men.
This talking point, that more white people are killed by police than black people, is a standard canard that's pulled out by racist folks to try and minimize or invalidate the folks who protest police violence.
And it's a really dumb thing for two reasons.
The first is that using this stat in that way only reveals that you don't really understand the topic you're talking about, or that you have possibly an underlying racist perspective that you're looking to camouflage.
The second is that the natural conclusion of this logic doesn't arrive anywhere good.
Is the point supposed to be that police killings are actually okay?
Is the message that they're trying to push is that black people should calm down because more white people are killed?
Is the problem that folks are complaining about police murders or is the problem that people like Alex have is that the movements don't focus on the right victims?
The logic of this argument doesn't go anywhere.
You have to ask yourself what the actual goal of using messaging like this is, and if you do, I don't think you come up with anything good.
At best, this is a defense of police murders.
At worst, it's a blatantly racist desire for all social movements to center white experience.
And actually, I don't know if that's at best and at worst.
I'm not sure.
But the point is, I don't think there is.
I don't know where this logic or this reasoning goes that isn't...
Let police murder you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's what it is.
dan friesen
It's not good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Why are you complaining?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And it's never followed up with, like, white people should be in the streets protesting because we're getting killed.
They kill so many white people.
dan friesen
Doesn't that seem like it should be the second thing that's said?
jordan holmes
It's the only thing that's said.
dan friesen
It should...
jordan holmes
Everything else is, shut up and let police murder you.
dan friesen
Because if you don't, if your next statement or sentence isn't, and that is why we must also vociferously support this movement and engage and be a part of it, if it's not, then you're only bringing this up in order to minimize and invalidate the experiences of the people who are protesting, which seems to be saying something along the lines of...
It's cool.
It's cool for police to kill people, and I'm against that.
jordan holmes
I guess the best interpretation of somebody saying that, aside from them being like, and that's why we should abolish the fucking police, the best possible interpretation is more white people are getting killed and you don't see them causing problems.
That's the most innocent way I think you can look at that.
dan friesen
But again, that's still making the argument that it's okay for police to kill people.
I've sat down and I've thought about this and I've tried to figure out what is the messaging that isn't going down one of those roads.
And I bet that there's something I haven't considered, but I'm having a very difficult time trying to figure out how that statistic...
It's relevant to this conversation in a way that leads somewhere valuable to discuss.
jordan holmes
I mean, it can't be seen as anything other than an insecure response to somebody pointing out that one, it's not about you, and two, it is a fundamental aspect of our policing system that it is fine to hunt young black men.
And if you absorb that one piece of information, then you have to change every viewpoint you have on policing.
So your insecure response to that is just like, uh, nuh-uh, more white people are killed, so, you know, it's not that big a deal.
dan friesen
Yeah, possibly.
That might be what's going on.
Now, like I said, I do not care for people who present their positions this flimsily.
Like, if this is what you're bringing to the table, that Trump's interview was actually good because he made a great point that more white people are killed by police.
Sure.
And it gets worse, because they're aware.
The Hodge twins are aware.
That there is a higher rate of black people killed by the police.
jordan holmes
They are aware of that.
dan friesen
Right.
But they take issue with something completely irrelevant in the study that found this.
hodgetwins
They're trying to say black people are being killed at a higher rate than black folks.
Yeah, but the study takes in the white folks.
I mean, I'm seeing that survey saying black people are getting killed at a higher rate than white folks.
Yeah, that study, they take into account.
The entire population.
Okay, if you want to figure out what's going on, if black people are being killed at a high rate, you need to take into account only police interactions.
Who cares about the lady that's sitting in the old folks' home?
Or my wife who's never been stopped by the cops.
Yeah, you need to look at police interactions, and then you'll be able to determine if black people are being killed at a high rate.
But even then, was the black people walking down the street just flying a kite, sucking on a lollipop?
A lot of the time, yeah.
dan friesen
Your eyebrow was way up during that.
These complaints with the study that shows that police kill black people at higher rates than white people, these complaints are completely meaningless.
And they really only reveal that the Hodge twins have absolutely no idea how statistical analysis works.
I'm not even going to waste my time discussing this, but I feel like it's worth our time to really see the level of argumentation that's going on.
Like, that's just...
Like, if your complaint with the study is that they take into consideration the whole population, first of all, okay.
And then second, have you tried to look for a study that only involves police interactions?
jordan holmes
I mean, also, just intuitively, are you telling me that you have existed in American society for this long and you think that black people don't have a higher rate of police interactions as well?
dan friesen
There's an interesting thing to this, and that is, like, it does seem to me like if they had looked into it, they could find a study about police interactions.
jordan holmes
You have to look into it, though, Dan.
dan friesen
Right, but the fact that they're not bringing up a study that shows that there is actually no difference in police interactions, that leads me to believe that they either haven't looked into that, or they have, and they found, like, ah, that doesn't work for us either.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay, here's how it went.
They say that there's higher rates, but there was a different group.
Like, let's say all of the elderly and the entire population was used for the white set, and then only...
You know, I don't know, 15 to 25-year-old males for the black set.
If you were bringing up that kind of a problem with the relative sample groups...
jordan holmes
Huge issue.
dan friesen
Right, it would be.
jordan holmes
Huge issue.
dan friesen
But if it's both using entire populations...
jordan holmes
Well...
dan friesen
Come on, guys.
jordan holmes
And not only that, but it's to the point you know where if you...
You just hear it in their voices.
Okay.
So, you need to have a study that talks about police interactions.
Alright, here's my study that talks about police interactions.
Well, no, no, no, that's not the right study.
There's always going to be a, you should have had the, this is the question that...
dan friesen
And your argument is even borne out by the clip, because at the end they show their cards, where they're basically arguing that the people who get killed by the police deserved it.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
You know, they're not just walking around with a lollipop.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
This is purely pro-state violence-based propaganda, largely motivated by opposition to non-white social movements.
That's the...
So yeah, 100% what you're saying.
jordan holmes
What are they, Terry Crews over here?
Come on now.
dan friesen
You could bring out the study that shows like, okay, here's just police interactions.
And then they're like, well, were they walking around with hollipops?
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Well, here's the number of unarmed and unaffected and stop and frisk and all of those.
dan friesen
They've already put out the next talking point that precludes you from even going down that road because you know, okay, well, they're just going to assume.
That these people deserve to be shot by the cops.
And then, okay, we've reached an impasse.
I 100% disagree with you.
And that seems to be the hill that you're willing to live on, and I'm not.
And another thing is, it seems like they have a lot of...
Another reason why I'm not particularly interested in their contribution is because you can see that they have a lot of Alex Jones-y narratives.
That woman who was killed in Indianapolis that we've talked about and that Alex has been using as a race-baity kind of topic, it seems like they have an angle on the story that's exactly the same as Alex.
It mysteriously doesn't match up with reality in similar ways.
hodgetwins
This information that they're giving to black people, they're actually creating racist black people.
I've never in my life seen so many white people getting attacked by black people just for the simple fact that they're white.
I mean, I don't see this happening to black people in this country.
Yeah.
I've seen a white lady at a protest say, all lives matter, and a black person shoots and kills her.
She had a six-year-old, not a six-year-old, six-month-old infant.
And they didn't say that was a hate crime.
I mean, what country are we living in?
dan friesen
Who wasn't at a protest and her kid wasn't six months old.
But this, I mean, it's the same thing, man.
It's just...
jordan holmes
Just say all lives matter and let's move on.
You know?
Like, that's what they're...
Look, if Black Hans and Franz want to show up and tell me that it's okay for cops to murder people, fine.
dan friesen
They're in great shape.
jordan holmes
You're done.
dan friesen
So, then again, I want to...
jordan holmes
We're going to pump you up with bullets from cops.
dan friesen
I want to play this clip because it does also demonstrate something that I said.
Alex clearly doesn't know their names, and I don't want that to just be my assertion.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Here is it happening on the show.
alex jones
You were starting to get into it.
One of the twins there.
I don't know you guys just go by twins, but we should have you on.
I should go by your full name sometime.
People know who you guys are, but what about...
unidentified
We'll let you go by your full name sometime.
alex jones
What do you expect to happen next if the Democrats got in?
hodgetwins
Oh, man.
No telling.
dan friesen
That is deeply uncomfortable.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
One of the twins.
I just call you the twins.
Someday you're going to have a name.
Someday you're going to have a name.
dan friesen
Promise.
So one last clip of the twins, the Hodge twins.
And here is another reason why I just don't take this stuff seriously.
I can't take people in this lane of media seriously.
And it's because they have just completely bad faith arguments that they make.
hodgetwins
If you look at constituents on the right and constituents on the left, it's like night and day.
On the right, they use their minds and they can actually debate their views.
On the left, they're like, no, this is a trick.
You're trying to trick me.
Yeah, you would never see AOC.
You never see her debate anybody.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you have.
hodgetwins
She can't debate herself.
dan friesen
This is ridiculous.
There's this right-wing online conception of debating, which is just two people yelling at each other in a YouTube video in an unstructured way, that they just fetishize this.
I've watched tons of supposed debates online, and most of it is complete nonsense.
A lot of it is just bigots trolling, and the rest is people thinking they're blowing people's minds with Philosophy 101 topics they read a Wikipedia page about.
That's not meaningful.
But the online conservatives really think that it's some kind of important part of their culture where they do these online blood sport kind of arguments.
jordan holmes
It's stupid.
The hard right isn't really into physical violence as the intellectual wing of the hard right.
Isn't it a physical violence?
So they have to get their jollies off somehow.
It makes them feel powerful.
I won this argument.
I won this fight.
I won it.
dan friesen
I regret a lot of the time that I've spent passively just listening to that bullshit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it is this weird online world of people who think that they're really...
It's meaningful.
And I regret to say that there is a kernel of it that is probably meaningful, if only on the level of how many people are watching those things.
There are large audiences, and people can be swayed by really slick sort of rhetoric that goes on, but honestly, it's stuff that wouldn't fly in a classroom.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like college should be free.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because right now YouTube is taking the place and it's not doing a good job.
dan friesen
No.
When the Hodge twins say that AOC won't debate, what they're saying is that she knows better than to engage with someone like Ben Shapiro, who's desperately begged her to debate him.
He even said that...
jordan holmes
Debate me!
Debate me on any of the ideas!
dan friesen
He offered $10,000!
unidentified
Oh, God!
dan friesen
And then everyone got mad that she didn't want to debate him!
jordan holmes
Say you want to have a charity wrestling match.
It's the same fucking bullshit.
dan friesen
She knows that that's not going to be a debate in any sense of the word, and it's not worth her time.
She's a fucking congressperson!
unidentified
Like...
dan friesen
Am I gonna fucking hang out with dumbass Ben Shapiro and let him yell nonsense at me really fast and then act like he made a point?
jordan holmes
Yeah, and let's be real.
Alright.
The people who have taken these assholes up on this offer do not get paid.
That money doesn't get paid out, Dan.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
There's always a reason not to pay that money out.
dan friesen
I can't say for sure.
jordan holmes
Stone stole claimants' computers if they don't pay that $10,000 bounty.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you that right now.
dan friesen
Also, I just want to point this out.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez just won a primary for her seat in Congress that involved debates, which she took part in.
That alone kind of torpedoes the whole AOC can't debate anyone point.
She also appeared in debates back in 2018 when she was running for her seat against Joe Crowley, and honestly...
She should be way too busy being in government to respond to dumb, dumb conservatives who want to clout chase by trying to bait her into a debate.
This would be like me challenging Rand Paul to a debate and then being pissed off that he wouldn't agree to it.
unidentified
I will challenge Rand Paul to a debate right now, Dan.
dan friesen
Coward!
jordan holmes
Coward!
unidentified
Debate me!
jordan holmes
That's the problem with the conservatives, Dan.
They don't have this.
They're a bunch of cowards.
dan friesen
They're too afraid to put their ideas to the test.
jordan holmes
They're too afraid of me.
Come on, Rand.
The guy who yells on a podcast.
Although Rand would be doing more with his governing power if he were to debate me than anything he's doing now.
dan friesen
It's nonsense.
And when there are these folks who come in who clearly...
Have their own cottage industry that I'm unaware of.
Like, I don't know who these guys are outside of their appearance on Alex's show.
But there's little things that you can use to tell, like, okay, this is not a sincere actor.
The first is the use of argumentation like thinking that statistic about whites.
People being killed more by cops is grateful in that context.
jordan holmes
It's a great fact.
dan friesen
That is a dead ringer for this is not good.
This is starting off poorly.
Second, the engaging with a study in the way that they did, which is just the flimsiest critique of the study, that is like, okay, I got problems with your problems with the study.
jordan holmes
I didn't like their use of Arial font, Dan.
dan friesen
The implication that at the bottom of this argument, well, we're eventually going to get to the point where you're going to say the people just deserve to be shot by the police.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sooner or later.
dan friesen
That gives me no faith that we're going to be able to get anywhere were we ever to have a debate.
Third or fourth, I'm not sure at this point, the repetition of Alexee narratives.
That means that the areas you're getting information from are probably not great.
And then the sort of dumb AOC won't debate kind of thing, which is just a hallmark of these trolly stupid worlds online that are just not serious.
You have all of these things that are just indicative in an interview of, like, con artist.
This is just someone who's running their own scam.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And I just don't care for it.
And I guess this is maybe a little bit longer of a...
jordan holmes
But they are in great shape, aren't they?
dan friesen
Definitely.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
Well, they got that to hang their hats on.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Nick Begich, the guy who wrote that book, Angels Don't Play This Harp.
jordan holmes
Oh, Angels Don't Play That Harp.
dan friesen
He's hosting the fourth hour.
Unfortunately, we get bad news.
alex jones
All right.
Here's the deal.
Dr. Nick Begich is awesome.
He always loves you the fourth hour.
He's under the weather today.
He just let us know.
And so, I'm going to know his fourth hour.
My son, Rex Jones, who is almost 18, and he's up here working with us.
He went out and shot some of this.
Crazy, crazy New World Order stuff here in Austin with Black Lives Matter that's almost all white people.
You're going to see the video.
dan friesen
So Rex is going to come on for the fourth hour with Alex.
unidentified
So only black people can think Black Lives Matter.
dan friesen
I don't want to unpack that.
jordan holmes
I don't want to deal with that either.
dan friesen
Rex is coming in to talk about this video that he's made.
And he has a new website about...
I don't know.
unidentified
Whatever.
dan friesen
Who cares?
I'm not going to talk too much about him because, honestly, the stuff that he has to say is just repeating Infowars stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And, you know, it's a bummer to see.
jordan holmes
Does he get a pat on the head?
Does he get some, like, fatherly affection out of this?
dan friesen
Debatable.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
dan friesen
Now, here's what I want to say.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
What I would rather focus on is Alex's behavior.
So, we'll focus on that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And then, at the end of this, I'll let you decide whether you've got a pat on the head or not.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, before Rex comes in, though, Alex, if you recall, he had a toothpaste that his dad had created that he couldn't sell, and now apparently he can.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now, this is really interesting.
Listen very closely.
Mic down for this, because Alex explains how this product line came to be, and I think it's his exit.
alex jones
A lot of other stuff's going on.
I haven't had time to get into it.
There's not time to properly announce all this here, so I don't even know if I should.
I have all these products here in front of me because they're new products.
And my dad, about a year ago, said, how can I help?
With all the attacks running and everything else.
And I said, Dad, you know, with the deplatforming and everything, I just feel like I should probably move Infowars to shut it down in a few years.
I should just work for somebody else and just let people have their own operation and everything so that I could just go forward.
And he said, well, let's get that started.
Well, a couple months ago, the products came in.
And so they're really good products.
We've tested them.
We love them.
They're amazing.
dan friesen
And I haven't had time to get into them yet, but drjonesnaturals.com So now, I try to understand what words mean when they're put in sentences, because that's how humans communicate.
jordan holmes
That's a fool's game, Dan.
Debate!
dan friesen
If you listen to the implication of the way Alex is stringing these thoughts together, a year ago, his dad came to him and said, how can I help?
You seem to be under attack, all this stuff.
I'm the head of HR for your yeasty company and whatever.
jordan holmes
I'm following along.
dan friesen
So, Alex's dad asks him that, and Alex is like, let's be real.
I should probably quit.
Yes.
We're under a lot of attacks.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
All this stuff is coming down and getting sued all over the place.
I need to probably just step down and let people have their own operation.
Let the...
See if Owen Troyer can fly.
jordan holmes
Hey, let him shoot to the moon.
dan friesen
You gotta take those training wheels off.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So Alex's dad says, let's get that started.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And then now, these products are coming to fruition of getting started the plan to get Alex out of Infowars.
Now, if I'm to understand what that means, here's what I think that means.
I don't know if Alex is saying this because he says words that don't mean anything all the time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's an issue.
dan friesen
But, based on the way that Alex has definitely in the last six months been talking about quitting a whole lot more, talking about running to the woods, I wouldn't be too surprised if what was going on here is Alex's dad is launching a supplement line for Alex to sell that can shield...
Assets.
unidentified
There you go.
dan friesen
Alex is getting sued by all these people who's going to go out of business if things continue down the road that they're going on.
So, as an insurance policy, hide assets under his dad's name with a business that Alex isn't technically connected to at all, but he's getting all the profits from.
jordan holmes
Alright, so what you're saying to me is that if I were, say, a limited liability company...
And somebody were suing Infowars, the limited liability company, they would be able to take all that money.
dan friesen
Conceivably.
jordan holmes
But if I had a different LLC...
unidentified
If you didn't.
jordan holmes
Well, I don't have a different LLC.
dan friesen
Let's say your dad has an LLC.
jordan holmes
Let's say my dad has a different LLC.
And let's say I was like, I need to take care of you, dad, so I'm going to order all kinds of product from you up front.
A large amount of money.
unidentified
A massive amount of money directly to you up front.
jordan holmes
And when people order that product, well, I mean, you can keep it on your shelves.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, like, obviously what you're suggesting is what this smells like.
But it's hard to say exactly.
I really don't know.
But Alex is going out of his way to, like, first of all, the way he set that up is fucked up.
There's no need for that.
Yeah, no, that's fucked up.
There's no need for that.
You could just say, we got these great products.
You don't need to say, a year ago I was talking with my dad and I said, I want to quit Infowars and he said, let's start doing that and then now we have products to sell you.
You don't need to say stuff like that because it's fucking confusing as hell.
And it makes it sound like this is your fucking parachute.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not good.
dan friesen
Now, it even gets weirder because Alex has to be...
Very specific that this is not his company, although they are selling products that are weirdly similar to all the products that he sells currently.
jordan holmes
They're very similar.
alex jones
We have eight of the products at Infowarsstore.com, and I don't want to undermine any of our products because they're all really, really good, but we have Soreless, we have Rocket Rest, we have Primal Youth, we have Kabachil, and they have Kabachil Extra Strength.
jordan holmes
Ooh, I want one of those.
dan friesen
Top brain.
jordan holmes
Go home!
alex jones
That's all the products that are there on the new site.
jordan holmes
Quit your job.
alex jones
The ingredients in these are super strong, high quality, and low price.
These are designed to be very, very affordable.
And this is not my company.
But it's my dad.
So, you know, we're under a lot of attack.
A lot of people trying to shut us down.
But you cut a starfish up, it just grows more starfish.
Be sure to check out Dr. Jones Naturals.
dan friesen
So, I mean, look, here's the thing.
What we're talking about, this idea that this is kind of how you might structure something if you're trying to funnel resources somewhere.
It does seem like that's a possibility.
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
Could not be.
dan friesen
Because ultimately, the other possibility that seems equally likely is that Alex recognizes that his name is shit in terms of brand.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So you just launch all of these other products that are basically all the same things with different but kind of close names.
And then maybe, you know, it's like, what's that fucking scene in The Wire where...
Where Stringer is explaining that.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Just changed the name of the Weapons of Mass Destruction.
Now you've got a new name on the streets.
It seems like that's another possibility.
Alex just recognizes that, like, okay, yeah, the people who buy my shit will buy Turbo Force, and they'll buy Super Male Vitality.
They don't have any stigma attached to my products, but everybody else does.
So, we try and Trojan horse this thing with Dr. Jones Naturals, and then maybe it'll work.
That is a possibility, too.
I don't know.
Either of these are equally possible, but it's fucking weird that he keeps couching it these ways.
jordan holmes
I'm telling you right now.
I'm telling you right now.
I thought it was going to work, but I just checked their website, and...
He did use a giant picture of Short Round on the website, which I guess he didn't know was a racist character.
But Dr. Jones Naturals is not what you think it is.
dan friesen
I tried to find a business filing in the Secretary of State's filings and the Travis County.
I couldn't find it, but that doesn't mean it's not there.
I don't know exactly.
jordan holmes
It's probably incorporated in Delaware.
dan friesen
Maybe.
I'm going to keep looking, and I'll keep you up to date on that.
But I don't know what the deal is here.
It's weird.
The move is weird.
And especially because, like I said, these products are the same things, basically, that he already sells.
Like, he has Rocket.
Rest or whatever.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
He had Knockout.
Knockout was the sleep aid that he sold before.
jordan holmes
Well, now he has top brain, Dan, and that's a completely different thing from Brain Force.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
What kind of idiot would get those two mixed up?
dan friesen
Very...
jordan holmes
Top brain!
alex jones
My son Rex is coming in here.
This wasn't planned.
Actually, he just wants to go on.
He doesn't really have trouble sleeping, but he kind of wakes up a few hours after he goes to bed.
He always has.
I mean, like down in the kitchen at midnight getting a...
Glass of oranges, he'd be wandering around in his underwear.
He'd still live with me.
He's moved out now.
He's a big boy.
jordan holmes
That's weird.
Don't say that.
alex jones
He would knock out sometimes.
And it affects everybody differently.
He said, yeah, knock out's great.
Well, he said, rocket rest, his words were two days ago, is too strong.
And I said, take it again and tell me.
He slept 12 hours on this, and he said, the name is perfect.
He said, I just had so much energy.
So Rocket Rest is available right now, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
Why are you trying to sell this product by comparing it to your other product?
Doesn't this just cannibalize the market?
jordan holmes
So weird.
dan friesen
I don't understand why you would behave this way.
jordan holmes
Maybe his supplier won't work with him anymore?
dan friesen
But he'll work with Alex's dad?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I mean, you can launder it as though it's Alex's dad.
I don't fucking know.
dan friesen
I don't think so, because then you would discontinue all of those other products.
I mean, we may see that in the future.
That's fair.
That may end up happening down the road.
jordan holmes
That sounds like it would be the most likely thing to happen.
dan friesen
For now, it's just weird.
This is a strange thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I wish I had more of a concrete answer on this, but I just...
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, we can at least be sure that he knows that it's a strange thing, because that's how he's advertising.
dan friesen
Because he's acting weird.
jordan holmes
He's acting weird as shit.
He's acting cagey as fuck.
dan friesen
I think he knows on some level this requires an explanation, and he's not being forthcoming.
jordan holmes
Let me start at the beginning.
So about a year ago, I was like, everybody's trying to steal all my money, and I'm so sad.
And my dad was like...
I will bail you out for the three millionth time.
Fine.
Anyways, yada, yada, yada.
I'm willing to destroy both of my businesses in order to hide money for my debt.
dan friesen
There was another way to tell that story that isn't as weird.
Maybe like this.
jordan holmes
We got some new products!
dan friesen
That's one way.
If you want to go back to a year ago, you could have the conversation with your dad.
You're like, hey, dad, I'm having trouble.
All of these people are trying to sue me.
unidentified
I'm under attack.
dan friesen
I feel like I want to quit.
And then my dad said, son, it's too important that you don't quit.
jordan holmes
You've got to keep fighting.
dan friesen
We will make this work however we need to.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
That seems like a way you could rationalize these other products.
And Alex, he could be like, we're trying to diversify the revenue stream.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
There's ways to present this that don't sound like I was going to quit.
This is my dad's way of helping me quit.
Because that's what you would hear.
jordan holmes
That's exactly what he said.
dan friesen
Yes!
jordan holmes
Those are the words that he said in the configuration that they are placed in.
unidentified
If words make sentences, then that's what he said.
jordan holmes
We have to start at, do words mean?
dan friesen
We have to really assess first precepts.
So Rex comes in.
Now, mic down for this, because Alex is explaining that Trump likes adult women.
He doesn't like that Epstein stuff.
jordan holmes
And Rex is there with him.
dan friesen
Rex is there.
jordan holmes
Cool.
dan friesen
Love it.
Rex tries to interject a little bit.
hodgetwins
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
And Alex responds like a parent.
alex jones
You know, the media tried to connect him to Epstein, even though Epstein tried to be a member of his club and kicked him out.
I made a lot of checks before I backed Trump.
I know what Trump likes.
I know people that, let's just say, took care of Trump's women.
And Trump has the same taste I have in women.
500, 600 horsepower.
He's not intimidated by thoroughbred women.
It's these pedos that want 12-year-old girls.
That's not Trump.
Trump doesn't want 12-year-old girls, folks.
He wants...
Well, look at his wife, Melania.
That's what Trump wants.
unidentified
Trump wants what we would call premium beef.
alex jones
Stop being like that, Rex.
The point is, he likes full-grown women.
dan friesen
That, to me, should never be on a show.
jordan holmes
Every single part of that was awful.
dan friesen
You know, I wish that I had tried...
I wish I hadn't told you that Rex was there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because you could see Alex saying these things.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then the added dimension of his son...
Being sitting right there, and then he comes in.
jordan holmes
Don't be like that.
dan friesen
Well, he's like, hey, but everything Alex was saying would lead you to believe that this is what you should interject.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's what you're supposed to say.
dan friesen
Trump likes premium beef, baby!
jordan holmes
Yeah!
I'm going to...
One, you're off to a great start objectifying women.
You're doing a great job.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Telling us something that we literally already know.
He paid people to fuck him, so there we go on that.
And three...
I also love denigrating women by comparing them to me!
dan friesen
The scolding is strange.
jordan holmes
Don't be...
I wish he would...
unidentified
What he should have said is, be better than me.
jordan holmes
That would have been great.
Don't be like that.
Be better than your old man.
dan friesen
That is kind of the implication, though.
jordan holmes
It does kind of feel like that.
dan friesen
Because they start talking about the governor of South Dakota who was talking about how they didn't close things down and they were able to make things work.
And Alex cannot stop sexualizing her.
unidentified
I think the people of South Dakota stepped up.
They did the right thing, and they trusted me.
I trusted them, and they made the right decision.
dan friesen
His son is sitting next to him while he's grunting, yes, mommy, at a picture or a video of the governor of South Dakota.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is weird.
That's inappropriate.
jordan holmes
That's weird.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's inappropriate.
That's bad.
That's bad parenting.
dan friesen
This is a family show.
jordan holmes
It is a family show.
I like her whiskey eyes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And he just keeps going.
unidentified
You were at a professional bull riding event.
It was the first major indoor sporting event with fans since March.
jordan holmes
How important was it to me?
alex jones
I wish I was that horse.
dan friesen
I mean, what the fuck is going on?
unidentified
What the fuck was that?
jordan holmes
Jesus!
dan friesen
Locker room talk on air with my son.
Wow.
jordan holmes
Wow.
There is just...
dan friesen
Like I said, I don't want to talk about Rex being on air and talking about these dumb liberals and stuff.
Just repeating everything that his dad has...
jordan holmes
Give me a pat on the head, please, Dad.
dan friesen
I mean, you can kind of understand how any horrible thing could be the product of trying to seek the attention of...
Totally.
At a certain point, that excuse definitely falls apart.
It falls away, and we'll get there eventually, I'm sure, because Rex is on the road that he's on, and it's unfortunate.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But there is still a part of me that feels so powerfully like, this kid is a kid.
Yeah.
You know, I would hate to be judged for things that I said when I was 17. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, this is totally, like, I grew up in a small town.
This is every idiot I know, and then some of them went away to college, you know, the liberal brainwashing machine, and then came back and were like, that was fucking stupid that I said that.
Like, it was by escaping from the influence of your bad, bad parents.
dan friesen
And you want to believe that there's a possibility that that could be something that happens, but at the same time, like, how much of that is giving way too much?
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, he needs to be away from his parents before you can give him a, like, your brain isn't fully formed, kid.
You shouldn't be there.
dan friesen
The way I'm approaching this is that in this appearance, it's largely just standardized Infowars stuff, and that doesn't rise to the level of me feeling the need to treat him like...
Someone who's on Infowars.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I will get to that point eventually, probably, if things continue, and then I will treat him as his own separate entity.
And I do think he's an autonomous person who's able to make his own choices.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I just find it very difficult to get around the fact that he's also somebody who's had to deal with Alex Jones being his dad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That is something that will require years of therapy in order to...
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
And, I don't know.
jordan holmes
I think my biggest problem with it is, like, by no means do I think it's okay for him to do or say any of this bullshit.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
I think my biggest problem with it is, until he's an adult, I'm just beating up on a kid.
Do you know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
Like, I don't like that.
If I was, like, a teacher and he was a student...
That's a context where it's my job now to like, yeah, it's my responsibility to at least deal with this behavior as best as possible.
I'm just a, I'm 30, I'm a, I don't even know how old I am.
I'm in mid-30s and I'm just a stranger.
And this kid is on his dad's radio show.
Like, I'm not going to beat up on a kid.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I agree with that 100%.
And from where I'm sitting, my larger perspective on it kind of matches how I would feel if the feds were disappearing people at the Malhua Refuge.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I disagree with the things that Rex is saying, and I'm opposed to what he exists as in terms of a media entity.
But I think the higher order problem is that Alex is doing this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't think that it's appropriate, and I think that that is more of a relevant point.
But, like I'm saying, there will come a point where that line is crossed.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And that Rex will be existing as much more of his own media entity self.
unidentified
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
I just am not convinced, personally, that I have reached the point where I'm comfortable with that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I agree with you.
dan friesen
It sucks.
I mean, it's the same thing with, like, I think that that Soph was a horrible...
I know a horrible person.
They're a kid.
But a horrible entity saying racist, horrible shit on media platforms.
But I'm still not going to cover them appearing on Infowars.
It's still a 12-year-old or whatever.
It's still something that these adults should not have them on their show.
jordan holmes
He's exploiting a child.
The only thing I have to say is the biggest problem here is a man exploiting a child.
And that it's his own child is real fucked up.
I don't know which is more fucked up.
If it's not his kid or if it is his kid.
dan friesen
I don't know.
We're never going to get to the bottom of that.
jordan holmes
No, that's true.
dan friesen
So Alex is sexualizing the governor of South Dakota.
And now Rex gets in on it.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
And this is another thing.
It's like, Alex, you shouldn't be doing this.
unidentified
When are we moving to South Dakota?
Well, that was America.
alex jones
That's my new wife right there.
unidentified
This was the first major sporting event.
alex jones
I'm officially courting the South Dakota governor right now?
unidentified
They prayed before the event.
alex jones
I'm divorcing my wife right now.
unidentified
They sang the national anthem.
I was just proud to be there.
This was a perfect example of what makes this country great.
alex jones
I thought your name is Mrs. Jones now?
dan friesen
See, there's an added dimension of creepiness to this, and that is that the South Dakota governor would be Rex's new mother, new mom, new mother-in-law.
jordan holmes
Hey, Dad, when are we moving to South Dakota so you can fuck that governor?
dan friesen
Who has whiskey eyes.
jordan holmes
Hey, Dad, I'm 17. How about you go...
Fuck the governor!
dan friesen
Is she premium beef dad?
This is just inappropriate on a whole lot of levels.
I mean, it's inappropriate even if this were like a shock jock show.
You know, like if this was just an Opie and Anthony style show.
You kind of expect this sort of behavior.
jordan holmes
How is Opie and Anthony doing?
Both of them, I assume, are doing great, right?
dan friesen
So, I mean, but Alex presents himself as a very different sort of broadcaster, and in the conditions that he presents himself, this is unacceptable on a hundred different levels.
jordan holmes
Everybody needs to come right with God, and as we all know, God wants me to openly speculate on how much I want to fuck the governor of South Dakota in front of my son.
dan friesen
Very weird.
jordan holmes
I've read the Bible cover to cover, my friend, twice as it mentioned.
You gotta fuck South Dakota governors.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip...
Alex, he sets Rex up for a race-baity kind of bit, like a little bit of a scene.
And Rex is wrong to engage in this, but I also think that this is just him doing exactly what his dad is initiating.
unidentified
I probably saw like three or four other people take off their mask briefly just so they could breathe, because again, it's like 104, 105 degrees out.
dan friesen
So he's talking about like being out at a protest.
unidentified
Texas, blazing sun, open air, by the Capitol, clear blue skies.
And every time one of those people would take their masks off for just five seconds.
alex jones
You said clear blue.
White people have blue eyes.
That's kind of racist.
unidentified
Am I about to get canceled?
alex jones
Rex, seriously, you need to apologize.
Say that you're bad because you're white.
unidentified
I'm going to be donating all the money I ever make in my life to Black Lives Matter now to make up for what I just said.
alex jones
Directly to Soros.
unidentified
Because Soros isn't black, but he wants to help black people by destroying their community.
dan friesen
I've learned that now.
It's a stupid bit, but it's exactly the bit that Alex is trying to initiate.
It's irrelevant.
It's completely off topic.
The clear blue sky, oh, white people have blue eyes, let's do this racism against white people bit.
And look, yeah, fuck Rex too, but Alex is the adult.
Right.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I mean...
I think we're all going to die because of deep-seated daddy issues.
I think too many psychopathic dads have led to too many people in power, and now we're all fucked.
dan friesen
It's an interesting theory.
jordan holmes
Daddy issues.
dan friesen
They talk about vampires a little bit here.
alex jones
Look at those vampire teeth.
unidentified
That sounds like a conspiracy theory.
alex jones
No, no, just look at Colbert and bow to him.
Imagine a child in the dark, kidnapped, chained down.
Begging for mommy for days.
No food.
All of a sudden, that comes into view.
And he's here.
He's in charge.
He's the boss.
He's going to have his way right now.
unidentified
In my opinion, Stephen Colbert looks like a pedophile.
alex jones
Well, no.
He looks like a vampire devil worshiper.
dan friesen
If my dad said stuff like that to me in private, I probably wouldn't talk to him for months at least.
jordan holmes
No, that's child abuse.
He's not 18 yet.
That's still technically child abuse.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
That's fucked.
dan friesen
I just don't think...
I find that...
I wrestled with the idea of like, is this even something we should talk about on the show?
And probably if Alex hadn't been on break on Monday and Tuesday, we might have skipped past this.
But it's deeply awful.
It's the sort of thing that's unbecoming as a broadcaster.
It's unbecoming as a professional critic of things.
It's unbecoming as a person.
Like, it's just...
It's trash.
This is just trash.
And I feel bad for Rex.
And I also feel bad that I feel bad for him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I'm at this weird limbo state where...
jordan holmes
I mean, with this, this is so much...
This is so fucked up for me personally because I'm flashing back to when I was 13 years old and I was like...
I proudly like...
Read the Bible in a week or whatever it is.
And I told my dad, and I was just like, I just want, one, to connect with my dad on a certain level, and two, for him to give me that huge, like, you did good, slugger!
Like, that's what I was going for.
And when he says, I think Stephen Colbert looks like a pedophile, that is exactly the same.
Or when he does that white bit.
I can feel it in my bones, just like...
Dad, I want to relate to you.
Dad, I want your pad of approval.
And even in this situation, he just can't get it.
You shouldn't call him a pedophile.
He's a vampire.
Everything.
Hey, don't act like that.
Don't act like that.
dan friesen
Now I'm going to act like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
It's like, holy shit, you can't even give him a good job, son.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We're fucked.
That is really interesting.
I didn't even really realize that dynamic of the correcting a vampire.
Because Alex has to be the high status.
jordan holmes
Always.
dan friesen
By sort of negging.
And yeah, don't call people premium beef.
Now, I'm going to spend a bunch of time muttering how the governor of South Dakota's mommy...
jordan holmes
Whiskey eyes.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Make her your new mom.
dan friesen
That is really interesting.
jordan holmes
It's fucked up.
dan friesen
It is fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I mean, like...
And maybe I'm projecting a little bit in the same way you're describing, because, like...
jordan holmes
I'm not projecting.
I'm feeling this in my...
unidentified
Like, this is PTSD is what I'm feeling right here.
dan friesen
When I was 18, I took multiple religious studies classes in college to try and connect with my dad.
Totally.
And my dad wasn't even Alex Jones.
So, like, the level to which those approval-seeking behaviors can lead you to do things that you might not have otherwise been inclined to do.
jordan holmes
Oh, man, yeah.
dan friesen
And that's what I'm getting at that's really difficult, is, like, I can...
I empathize to a point.
There will be a point that's crossed.
And maybe Rex is up to that shit off Alex's show that I just don't make it my business to seek out.
Maybe that's true.
There's a decent chance.
But in terms of this appearance, the stuff that he's saying is all exactly like what you're describing.
It's very easily categorizable as approval-seeking behavior.
jordan holmes
Why is it that everybody on this show makes me genuinely want them to get help?
Like, I'm mad at everyone around.
I'm mad at them.
I'm mad at everybody in this ecosystem they've created that keeps them from getting the serious psychiatric help they need.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, some people have speculated that Alex was drunk when he's doing this, like, he's a vampire.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And there's a tone of voice that does sound like he's drunk, but it doesn't make sense to me because...
He's not been acting drunk throughout most of this episode at all.
It seems like the ignition would be way too fast.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But he does have a weird coughing fit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Let's put him back on screen.
Judge him.
Look at his soul.
That's the enemy right there.
unidentified
In my opinion, he looks worse than Podesta in that picture.
alex jones
Well, he's in the club, brother.
He didn't get up there because he was playing Tiddlywinks.
unidentified
COVID.
jordan holmes
COVID alert.
COVID alert.
God, if he does have COVID, I hate all of you.
alex jones
Oh, he's ready to bite.
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
So now, the thing that's interesting about that is maybe he was trying to figure out who Haile Selassie was.
Ended up getting real, smoking some trees.
The camera is off him and on a still shot of a picture of Podesta and Stephen Colbert, so I have no idea what's going on there.
It could have been that he took a big swig of booze and then he started coughing or something.
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
Went down the wrong pipe.
That's possible, or it could just be that the camera wasn't on him because he was coughing and he looks veiny.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Doesn't look good.
dan friesen
No.
I don't know what the case is.
My professional assessment of this is I don't necessarily think he was drunk.
It's possible.
I don't see the evidence of it.
jordan holmes
I would...
I don't know, because he is desperately sad.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
So that does tend to support the he's been drinking the whole time, you know.
But at the same time, he was doing fine, generally speaking, through the course of an episode that he's drunk on.
We can pretty...
You do a really...
A lot of times.
You do a really good, comprehensive job of taking us through the journey of, like, not drunk, or you started out a little drunk.
dan friesen
Here's where I think it went bad.
jordan holmes
Here's where it went bad.
We're never blindsided by, like, holy shit, suddenly he's drunk.
dan friesen
I generally see an arc when these things...
When he's fucked up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't know if that's necessarily the case.
So you have one last clip here, and you were asking if Rex got a pat on the head.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He got something quite different.
And here's how this comes to a close.
unidentified
America was built on Christian Western ideals.
And these people openly admit that they want to strip those Christian Western ideals away.
What do you have to replace our ideals with?
alex jones
And then they think we're going to get scared of being demonized, so we stand out.
unidentified
Our system isn't perfect, but America, the idea of America and what Americans have done...
Over the 200-something years that this has been a country, it's been beautiful.
alex jones
I want you to host the end of the show yourself.
Thank you.
unidentified
Appreciate it.
alex jones
Do it.
Take it over.
unidentified
Getting back to what I was saying, he's waddling off now.
dan friesen
So, mid-sentence, Alex is just like, you can host the rest of the show, and he leaves.
Alex just leaves.
jordan holmes
Does he straight-up leave?
dan friesen
He just walks off.
jordan holmes
He straight-up leaves.
dan friesen
Just leaves.
jordan holmes
Does Rex host the rest of the show?
dan friesen
I mean, I listened to another, like, minute or two of it, and then I turned it off, because, I mean, he's 17. He doesn't have chops.
jordan holmes
No, of course he doesn't have chats.
dan friesen
It's almost the end of the fourth hour, so I don't know if Alex came back right at the end or whatever to be like, hey, you should buy these products my dad has.
Your grandpa has some products.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
And the reason that I said I don't know if you could say you got a pat on the head is because...
jordan holmes
He did trust him to host the rest of the fourth hour, I guess.
dan friesen
And Rex does seem to interpret it as such.
He says, thank you.
That is sort of like, I guess, a show of trust in some ways.
So you could interpret that as a pat on the head, or you could interpret it as Alex is incredibly rude, interrupted mid-sentence, and then just left.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure my general vibe is that was a temper tantrum.
Because his son was talking too much.
And he didn't like not being the center of attention.
dan friesen
It doesn't not feel that way.
jordan holmes
It doesn't not feel that way, doesn't it?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Wow, Rex, leave.
Leave your dad.
Emancipate.
dan friesen
So this is, I don't know, this is a fucked up episode.
This is fucked up.
Alex kind of forced my hand by being out of studio.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I mean, it's not like...
We're going to take another day off.
That's not in the cards.
So we had an episode to do, and it's important to check in on Alex.
And what really forced my hand was the fact that he talked about Portland a little bit, in a way that I haven't really heard him cover the situation at all.
So it's really, really relevant to our interests and our coverage to see him be in support of the federal government, because it's a tool and a weapon that can be used against his true enemies.
Anybody who has sort of liberal ideas.
jordan holmes
You knew he was going to do it.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
You knew he was going to do it, but I still, I analyzed it the moment he actually straight up said it.
I was like, there's always, there was still that part of me that's like, maybe this is going to be the one where he's like...
I don't agree with Trump on this.
I think this is a government overreach.
I think he should continue doing everything else that he wants to do.
dan friesen
It's hard not to get that, like, okay, here's the line.
jordan holmes
There's gotta be something.
But there just isn't.
dan friesen
Just doesn't seem like it.
Unless Trump comes for the guns, I guess.
jordan holmes
Unless Trump comes for Alex's guns.
Like, individually.
unidentified
Yeah, maybe.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's interesting.
But because of that, it really necessitated talking about this episode.
And then, unfortunately, because...
We're covering this episode and there isn't a Monday or Tuesday episode to fill things out.
You know, we gotta talk a little bit about this fucked up weird shit with Rex.
And then also, you know, I might have just ignored the Hodge twins interview, but I think it's a really good case study of someone who I have no idea what their hustle is.
And then you come in, you see these sort of telltale signs of like, this is scammy.
And so, I mean, I just think this is sad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's fun when both you and Alex meet an alt-right personality and have no idea who they are.
dan friesen
I have no reason to know who they are.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
He has them on his show.
He has a little bit of a responsibility.
jordan holmes
You would think.
dan friesen
And then I honestly think that maybe the most important thing to come out of this is the weird new product line.
That's the thing I'm most interested in.
Because if Alex is to be believed as someone who's competent at making sentences, this might be part of his exit strategy.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
But let's not bank on that because...
jordan holmes
How many times have we gone down this road?
But then again, now that we know that this strategy has been in the works for a year, it does seem like whenever he has mentioned in the past that I want to, you know...
At least he had a plan.
dan friesen
Yeah, possibly.
I don't know.
We'll see what happens.
jordan holmes
We'll see.
dan friesen
But we'll be back on Friday.
jordan holmes
Indeed we will.
dan friesen
But until then, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes, sir.
dan friesen
We have a website.
jordan holmes
We do.
It's knowledgefight.com and my book is at thequietpartlab.com.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You can check that out over there.
Download it for free.
Yeah!
Leave what you like.
Comments.
Welcome.
jordan holmes
As you see fit.
dan friesen
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
And if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out with everybody doing God's work right now.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm deeply saddened by the passing of Michael Brooks.
Rest in peace.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
Export Selection