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July 13, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#456: July 9-11, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss the end of the last week on The Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex wrestles with the "Wayfair Conspiracy" and celebrates Roger Stone's clemency by interviewing Mancow.

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alex jones
27:07
d
dan friesen
01:24:08
j
jordan holmes
24:55
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owen shroyer
03:20
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mancow
00:27
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savanah hernandez
00:13
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
unidentified
Jordan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
Well, my bright spot.
Why don't you go first?
Because I got a little bit of a segment for my bright spot.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
My bright spot is my partner and I played tennis for the first time in like 10 months.
dan friesen
I know you guys love tennis.
jordan holmes
We love tennis.
We thought that because the park next to us where we played tennis was completely torn down.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We thought that the tennis courts were gone, too.
unidentified
Oh.
jordan holmes
But it turns out there was an opening, and we could have gone for the past, like, four months.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
So it's real disappointing, but it was great to play tennis.
It was good to get out there.
dan friesen
You know what?
Maybe the time away from it justifies the, like, how good it feels to go back justifies the time away.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Bright side guy today.
jordan holmes
I like it.
I like it.
dan friesen
So my bright spot, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes, sir.
dan friesen
You gotta look in the mailbag.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Zip!
dan friesen
Checking in the mailbag for my bright spot.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
First of all, I'd like to say...
Thank you to Stephen.
Stephen D. who sent a gift card for Diamond Gosset Jeans.
Did not come in the mail over email, but still very appreciated.
I have not ordered them yet, the random-sized jeans, but I will keep you updated on that.
jordan holmes
We're going to need to take bets on the size that shows up.
dan friesen
How funny is this?
A couple years ago, we found a commercial on Alex's show for some stupid jeans that are anti-NAFTA or whatever.
And now here we are.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we live kind of a ridiculous life, don't we?
dan friesen
Yeah, but it's very nice.
And I appreciate it, Stephen.
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Very much, thank you.
dan friesen
And then second, Jordan, I'd like to direct your attention at this.
jordan holmes
Holy shit, that is a knife.
dan friesen
That's a knife.
jordan holmes
That is a knife.
You are holding that threateningly.
dan friesen
This is a knife.
unidentified
All right, there you go.
dan friesen
Crocodile Dundee shit.
jordan holmes
Holy shit, that is a knife!
dan friesen
Yeah, got a cool handcrafted knife in the mail.
Also got this little letter.
Dan and Jordan, thank you so much for the work you guys do.
I honestly appreciate it.
The show gives me facts to use against my crazy right-wing family.
Also, it's great waking up three times a week getting excited for something.
If you guys ever find yourself in Columbus, parentheses, hashtag Flavortown, hell yeah, hit me up if you want to go eat.
Forge something or even ride horses.
Take care.
Policy wonk, Chris.
jordan holmes
That's very nice of you, Chris.
That's really, really fucking cool.
That knife is amazing.
Also, thank you for sending a note with that because just mailing a knife to somebody has a very different connotation.
dan friesen
It would maybe be startling under other circumstances.
jordan holmes
Knife and a horse head show up at your door.
dan friesen
So, Chris has a thing, a page, a thing over on Etsy called Folk Vanguard's Forge.
jordan holmes
Folk Vanguard's Forge.
dan friesen
I'm going to spell it.
F-O-L-K-V-A-N-G-R apostrophe S is Forge.
F-O-R-G-E.
jordan holmes
Folk Vanguard's Forge.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Vingers.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I'm bad at pronouncing things.
But I went over and I actually looked at a lot of the designs he has up on there.
And there's a lot of really cool looking stuff.
He handcrafts knives and various...
Cutlery for kitchens.
And from what I understand, actually, if I understand this note correctly, there is another one that's going to come.
So you and I will each get one of these knives.
jordan holmes
And that will lead to our ultimate showdown, as was always meant to be.
dan friesen
Yes, perhaps.
So thank you so much, Chris.
Really appreciate it.
And I can't wait for that other knife to come so we can do battle.
jordan holmes
Yes, that'll be great.
You are holding that very threateningly.
And yet also incompetently.
I feel like I could take that away from you pretty easily.
dan friesen
Not a chance.
unidentified
Okay, fair.
dan friesen
From now on, the rest of the podcast will be with us, Knives Out.
jordan holmes
Knives Out.
dan friesen
Well, you can't say that.
That's copyrighted.
jordan holmes
Oh, fair enough.
Great movie.
dan friesen
I've not seen it.
I'm just aware that it exists.
Don't know anything about it, just I've heard a name.
jordan holmes
Hey, it's great.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over.
We've got...
Any big news?
I will say that this weekend has been a lot of fun because I have been just coming off the end of like a lot of work.
Sure.
Got air conditioning units put in the windows that took a lot more effort out of me than I would have hoped it would have.
jordan holmes
Yeah, naturally.
dan friesen
You helped me put together a bed frame.
jordan holmes
Great.
Looks great.
dan friesen
So I got a lot of that stuff going on.
My life is feeling pretty good.
unidentified
It's happening.
dan friesen
I feel very close to sort of adulting.
jordan holmes
Turning up to an adult.
dan friesen
Friday night rolls around.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I'm getting ready to go to bed in my bed that's on a frame for the first time in 15 years.
jordan holmes
Incredible.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
No news could take you off that pedestal, right?
dan friesen
Twitter.
Roger Stone.
Sentence commuted.
Great.
Not unexpected.
jordan holmes
No.
I believe I said he would never spend a day in prison.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And I kind of, like, in my heart of hearts, in my deep down, I didn't think he was probably going to go to prison, but I also thought it would be pretty wild for Trump to do it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
To commute his sentence or pardon him or...
Give him clemency.
And so I thought there was a chance that that would be too much.
But it shows that you shouldn't really second guess those sorts of things.
And it makes total sense when you really think about it to string it out a bit.
Oh, yeah.
For ratings.
jordan holmes
I find it all hilarious.
That Trump made him beg for so long makes me laugh very hard.
dan friesen
I mean, who knows what the actual dynamic is, but that's certainly how it looks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does.
dan friesen
So, yeah, a lot of people were suggesting, you know, I got some messages on Twitter and around to people were saying, hey, emergency episode, Roger got pardoned.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And my sense of it was, I need to wait.
Because I think Alex is going to, you know, Saturday.
He's probably going to do an emergency episode.
So let's settle down on this.
jordan holmes
He's the emergency guy.
We do our show.
dan friesen
Yeah, but sometimes it's fun to throw out an emergency episode.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
So I decided to wait for Monday when we would have his Saturday work together.
Because the announcement was on Friday, and so Saturday he has all day.
Of course.
You should be able to put together quite a pageant and a celebration.
jordan holmes
A victory lap unheard of.
dan friesen
Yes.
And so we'll see what happens with that.
Today our episode is actually going to be covering the period of the 9th, July 9th through July 11th, 2020.
I'm Dan.
This is 2020.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
And yeah, so the 9th, not much.
Not going to talk about much on that episode.
10th.
This is the day of the commuting.
The day of the clemency.
And so we're going to talk about that.
And then the 11th is Saturday, where Alex came into studio, did a special two-hour, fuck yeah, emergency episode.
jordan holmes
He played all of Nipsey Hussle's victory lap for an hour.
That was it.
dan friesen
It was less that and more...
I don't know, man.
I feel really weird about this because I know that there's probably going to be some people tuning in that are going to be like...
jordan holmes
Oh, there's going to be something special from us today.
unidentified
I don't know if there is.
jordan holmes
Why would you expect Alex to bring it now?
dan friesen
I don't want to...
No, no, no.
What happens is going to be a great podcast for us.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, okay.
unidentified
I don't...
dan friesen
Okay, if you're expecting some kind of like...
The narrative of, like, Roger Stone has been vindicated, shows up on a white horse on InfoWars to tell everyone to kiss his ass, that's not going to happen.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
It's gotta happen, though.
unidentified
Come on!
dan friesen
But you really expect that that's going to be the thing that happens on this Saturday show.
unidentified
Absolutely!
dan friesen
I want to make sure that no one thinks that I'm trying to tease that to keep you listening to the end.
This episode could be a little bit long.
There's a lot of bullshit that happens.
unidentified
Yeah, I believe that.
dan friesen
So, before we get down to business on that, though, Jordan, we're going to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
So, first, Chase T. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Chase.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Jordan's giggle.
That's you.
unidentified
That's me.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Jordan's giggle.
dan friesen
You're not going to do the giggle?
jordan holmes
You know what?
unidentified
I don't even know what giggle they're talking about.
dan friesen
Like the Pillsbury Doughboy.
jordan holmes
Alright, thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Trevor.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Trevor.
dan friesen
Thanks, Trevor.
Next, James Y. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, James.
dan friesen
Next, MC, but it's E-M and then C, last initial.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, MC.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Zach, and then in parentheses, yes, Bill, this is your colleague, Zach.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Zach.
dan friesen
Next, Colleen W. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Colleen.
dan friesen
And finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So first, David H. Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And the soil will save us.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you!
dan friesen
Thank you so much!
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoy the show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
We would appreciate it.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Or you can take that generosity, bundle it up real nice, give it underhand pitch.
jordan holmes
Underhand pitch?
dan friesen
Underhand pitch.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright.
dan friesen
Just casual, recreational softball style.
jordan holmes
Just real softball.
dan friesen
Just out of the park with your friends, playing a little pickup game.
Toss it over to a charity in your area that helps people in need.
Gotcha.
So, yeah, Jordan, here we go.
One really quick thing.
I don't have a whole lot to announce about the year of the Seltzer, but I do need to point one thing out, and that is that I did get a message from Bailey, listener Bailey, who pointed out that I may have ranked a single Seltzer twice.
I might have.
Giving them two different ratings?
How far apart?
I don't want to talk about it.
jordan holmes
You don't want to talk about real far apart?
dan friesen
Not super far apart.
Not so far apart that it would blow your mind.
jordan holmes
15?
dan friesen
Less.
jordan holmes
Less than 15?
Okay, that's in the margin of error, I feel.
dan friesen
Look, we're going to pretend this didn't happen.
I've decided, I talked to the commissioners, which is me.
And we decided that the first ranking stands.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And so the other one has been evacuated.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
Is that the right word?
No.
jordan holmes
Vacated.
dan friesen
That's it.
Vacated the second scoring.
Thank you for pointing that out, Bailey.
That would have been really humiliating, and I don't want this to get out publicly, although I'm saying it on a podcast.
So, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes, sir.
dan friesen
Down to business.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
A lot of it.
Too much business up top.
jordan holmes
Too much business?
Too much business really to cover.
I don't even think we can...
No, there's just too much to cover.
I don't even think we can get to it in this segment.
dan friesen
No, probably not.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Let's go off air.
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's get it.
dan friesen
I'm going to go to a special report.
So, we start on the 9th, and one of the reasons that I kept this in, as opposed to just focusing entirely on the 11th, is because I think that there's a little bit of a narrative arc to it.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And that is that Alex...
He knows that something's probably coming for Roger.
alex jones
Roger Stone joins us coming up at the bottom of the next hour, and he's got big news.
It's so big that I just think I'm going to let him cover what he wants to cover.
And I'm not even going to give you any preludes or any hints.
But let's just say this, in the next six days before he's scheduled to be sent to prison for a crime he didn't commit as a political prisoner, he's going to work to make this the exclusive first place he comes on.
Now, if he gets pardoned or gets clemency in the next few days at 6 o 'clock at night and I don't answer the phone immediately and if I can't get a crew down here in 20 minutes, we won't get the exclusive.
That's okay.
I just want him to get clemency or pardon.
So I told him just make the first phone call.
We can't get stuff fired up.
Go ahead and go on Fox News or whatever.
dan friesen
So this, to me, sounds like preemptive rationalization.
jordan holmes
Translation, he's not going to go on our show first.
dan friesen
He's probably at the point where Tucker will have him on and he knows there's better ratings there.
Now, that's just because I'm going to be drunk at six.
jordan holmes
He's so drunk at six that he just can't come into work.
It's his fault, really.
dan friesen
Now, Roger's going to do everything he can to give me the exclusive.
unidentified
Whatever.
jordan holmes
The idea that Roger would have to work hard.
Like, hey, man, I'm gonna put in the time to make a phone call to you.
dan friesen
So that's why it's good that Alex's report about Roger's shit is on Saturday.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because then it sort of takes away the whole, like, need for the exclusive.
jordan holmes
No pressure.
dan friesen
Friday night, you know, he could do that little impromptu press conference.
Sure.
And then, you know, Saturday, roll around in the shit with your buddy.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Waggle his dick around for a bit.
dan friesen
Oh, also, I will say this.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
Alex does cover the Wayfair conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course he does.
I knew it would happen.
dan friesen
On the Saturday show.
jordan holmes
I knew it would happen.
dan friesen
So I'll tease that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Jesus Christ.
Of course he does.
dan friesen
Yeah, so get ready for that.
jordan holmes
God, I hate everyone.
I hate everyone so much.
dan friesen
Alex, it was one of the more interesting things Alex has done in a while, actually.
unidentified
Really?
dan friesen
His position on it is very, very bizarre.
jordan holmes
Frankly, I think they should change the name!
dan friesen
So, on the 9th here, he just starts, you know, talking about...
Whatever.
You know, just his normal shit.
Just filling time, talking about the evils of abortion.
alex jones
And it just came out, the lawsuits from a decade ago are just now winning, where the FDA was paying across the nation hundreds of thousands of dollars, millions of dollars total, for quote, fresh baby parts with still beating hearts.
Berkeley, in one particular filing that just came out last year, said, we want beating hearts.
And so, they would deliver them a bag.
unidentified
Actually, in a box.
alex jones
And they would butcher them right there on the spot.
Just like, I can pick up and order some hot wings or whatever.
Now, where is PETA not caring about all this?
And by the way, if you're new, this is all on record.
Just type in, university ordered.
Beating hearts of babies.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Where is PETA in all this?
dan friesen
I don't know.
So this, unsurprisingly, is a story that Alex is completely lying about.
And generally, I might have just ignored it, but it kind of bothered me how at the end he was just like, you can look it up.
Whenever he says something like that, it's really hard for me to resist taking them up.
jordan holmes
It's a straight-up challenge.
dan friesen
This is from that batch of edited videos that were released in 2015 by the Center for Medical Progress, which was that anti-abortion outlet that engaged in Project Veritas-style undercover video propaganda pieces.
jordan holmes
I'm starting to think they're not really a center for medical progress.
dan friesen
No medical regress.
What this comes down to is an erroneous claim that's made in that Center for Medical Progress videos, which is then exaggerated and distorted.
The video claims that a procedure that's being done by Stanford University researchers, not Berkeley, this procedure is called a Langendorf perfusion.
They say that it requires a beating heart to be done.
Having established this erroneous piece of information, the video makers then try to demonstrate that heart tissue had been provided to Stanford, which they're able to do.
Which is then used to present as evidence that beating human hearts have been delivered to Stanford.
jordan holmes
Sure, great.
I'm fine with it.
dan friesen
On a very basic level, this is really sloppy work.
And in order for the Tree of Logic to follow appropriately, you need for all the pieces to stand up to scrutiny.
If one piece is bad, this whole argument collapses.
So the fact that Langendorf perfusions do not require beating hearts kind of destroys the entire point here.
Everything else could be true.
Namely, that Stanford researchers do this procedure and that they've obtained heart tissue for it.
And the claim, the main claim, that they've been given beating hearts can be false.
You can have all that other stuff be true, and the part that you want to be the point is false.
And as it turns out, the Langendorf perfusions that are done involving human stem cell research don't require a beating heart.
so this whole thing ultimately proves nothing.
The thing to remember here though is that Alex is even lying about the fake thing that he's reporting on.
The stuff about babies arriving at the university and boxes and them butchering the babies, that's just his own fantasies.
That's just the story he wants to tell his audience to scare Sure, sure.
So, it's kind of a hat on a hat of disgusting anti-abortion propaganda here.
jordan holmes
Who teaches you how to properly butcher a baby?
You know, like, is that an apprenticeship thing, or do you get that right out of med school?
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's also not at all like ordering wings.
You don't have to butcher the wings.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, it depends on where you're ordering the wings from.
dan friesen
I very rarely send you a chicken.
jordan holmes
That's a fair point.
dan friesen
You might not be thinking all that straight.
jordan holmes
Just like ordering wings.
dan friesen
Sure.
So Alex goes on a little bit more about this sort of topic.
alex jones
Sure.
Or FDA ordered fresh baby parts.
That just came out last week.
There's thousands of these articles, so that's who they are.
They want to murder you and your family.
dan friesen
That's another thing you said you couldn't look up, so I decided to go ahead and look that up.
This is about a judicial watch scoop, so already.
jordan holmes
Already, it's right on target.
dan friesen
They uncovered that the FDA had a contract worth $96,000 between the time of 2012 and 2018 with a company called Advanced Biosciences Resources, where they would be provided with fetal tissue for experiments.
From everything I can tell, this is just about stem cells and there's nothing wrong going on here.
They've uncovered nothing other than something to anger their anti-abortion base.
jordan holmes
Hold on, hold on.
Are you saying that the FDA spent such a ridiculous sum of money?
$96,000?
$96,000 of taxpayer money?
That's what we should focus on, Dan.
dan friesen
That's a very small amount for whatever the conspiracy they're trying to spin is.
It doesn't really rise to the level of what they're...
unidentified
It's making a conspiracy about your boss's petty cash.
dan friesen
If this is an illegal human organ trafficking operation with proceeds up to $95,000, it's like...
I don't think most people would get mixed up with that for that kind of vig, whatever they're taking off the top.
jordan holmes
You could infect somebody with COVID and, as we know, get $95,000 easy.
That's what you gotta do.
dan friesen
Anyway, Trump ended these contracts in 2018, but there's no indication that I can find that anyone's doing anything illegal or unethical.
So, I mean, this just seems like blabbering.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is also in the business of being real denialist about the surge in coronavirus cases.
This is basically he thinks it's all fraud.
alex jones
So here's some of the headlines.
U.S. corona cases rise above 60,000, setting single-day record for one day.
That's Reuters.
Should read, as testing continues to ramp up to record levels, the number of positives skyrockets and most positives are fraudulent.
dan friesen
I believe the headline that I just read before we started recording was, yesterday Florida had 15,000 positive tests.
So, good, good, good, good.
So, I mostly stuck around on this July 9th for the sake of Roger.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I mostly was like, what's Roger going to be doing?
jordan holmes
It's the Stone News!
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So, unfortunately, when Alex tries to go to Roger, there's some Skype problems.
jordan holmes
Of course.
unidentified
All you gotta do is let yourself go!
alex jones
Alright, I'm not normally just gonna sing a song.
We're waiting on Roger Stone.
Having perpetual Skype issues, but he's got big breaking news with us here.
He told me a lot, but we'll see how much he can say about what's going on.
He's just six days out from his imprisonment.
dan friesen
So apparently Alex only sings when there's Skype issues, which means that...
All those other times we've heard him singing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Constantly.
jordan holmes
Constantly.
dan friesen
He's just experiencing Skype problems.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I believe the years from 2009 to 2015 were entirely Skype problems.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
dan friesen
Every single in and out of break, just Skype problems.
So, Roger got kicked off some social media stuff.
And there's a nice spin on that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And he's also got analysis on an unprecedented censorship.
Bolsonaro is under the same attack, saying that his fans aren't allowed to talk about him or post his speeches or material.
Well, now Facebook has done that to Roger Stone on Facebook and Instagram, quote, cracks down on inauthentic activity.
So ahead of his pardon, or ahead of his clemency, or ahead of him having to go to prison, if the president doesn't act...
They are silencing everyone that might cry out against this in another giant authoritarian exercise of evil?
dan friesen
So this is not a case of Facebook just kicking off fans of Roger or Bolsonaro.
In both cases, the company found that employees of Bolsonaro's government and Roger Stone were operating networks of accounts to push coordinated misinformation.
Now, the way that sentence came out of my mouth sounded bad because it sounds like those two networks are connected, and that was not what I was implying.
Bolsonaro and his government has a network that was being used to push false information, as did Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
They both have their own unique hybrid bot network that they're using.
dan friesen
Unclear if it was bots necessarily, or like...
Just someone running a bunch of them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, a combination of the two.
dan friesen
According to BBC reporting on the matter, quote, Facebook said it had removed 54 accounts, 50 pages and 4 Instagram accounts that it had linked to Mr. Stone.
These pages would pose as a person not connected to Roger and then promote things that he wanted to promote to give the appearance of organic engagement.
Again, from the BBC, quote, In total, those behind the pages spent about $308,000 on Facebook advertising.
And then an editorial note on my part.
Three times what the FDA spent in six years for those contracts.
jordan holmes
There is that.
dan friesen
From this piece, the sense you get is that the network that Bolsonaro was running was more focused on political maneuvering, whereas Rogers was mostly geared at self-promotion.
Roger claims that he's going to sue.
So if I had to guess, he's going to yell about his innocence on any platform that'll have him on, he'll use the attention to try and raise money, and then he'll admit that he was running all those pages in about five years in some sort of an interview with Playboy or something.
jordan holmes
Well, it's not that big a deal.
dan friesen
Right.
So this is the game.
I'm getting kicked off all the social media because...
jordan holmes
Oh, woe is me.
I'm a victim.
Why won't anybody let a white man speak on this very loud radio show?
dan friesen
Now, Roger, his main point has seemed to be...
I'm going to die if I go to prison because of COVID-19.
COVID-19 is going to kill him.
jordan holmes
The biggest fear in the world.
dan friesen
Which Alex believes is a hoax and is a hoax, but is going to kill Roger if he goes to prison.
Seems hard to balance those ideas, but they keep trying.
alex jones
You guilty of thought crime are about to be sentenced to possible death if you believe their whole COVID situation.
And it's true.
Eating prison food, you don't get D3, you don't get zinc.
Also, I mean, who knows what they'll pull on you in prison.
I'd be worried about them, you know, winding up somebody to...
Beat you to death.
dan friesen
See, that should have been the angle the whole time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
The beating you to death or something.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That should have been the whole play.
This whole COVID thing is not going to work with the narratives that you have, although I do appreciate Alex trying there with the, like, prison food's bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I did like the D, you don't get your vitamins, you don't get your zinc.
By the way, I sell zinc, but anyways, moving on to you.
dan friesen
Yeah, that is an okay way to try to make this work, but it's just foolish.
But that's the kind of angle that Roger needs, because it's the kind of thing that people who don't like him would still kind of have to begrudgingly be like, yeah, you are a non-violent criminal, you're not really a threat to anybody, you probably should be in house arrest if there is a real danger to your health.
He knows that that's a really difficult argument to rebut, even if you don't like him.
That's why he was employing it, but it's stupid for Alex to join in with it.
jordan holmes
Right.
I would argue, though, that he had to employ it because Stone was also, though, talking to the judge.
So the judge can listen to the COVID argument.
The judge isn't going to listen to Roger saying, like...
Hey, they might kill me in here because I know too much.
dan friesen
Well, yeah.
No, no, no.
Look, I understand Roger's actions entirely.
jordan holmes
Totally, totally.
dan friesen
I don't understand Alex's.
He's trying to do too many things at the same time.
It just starts to make no sense.
So when I said that the BBC was reporting that Roger had these accounts and Facebook said they did, you should notice that I did not say that Roger did this.
Roger allegedly did this.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Because I don't want to get sued.
jordan holmes
Fine.
unidentified
Here's the other point.
If you're a journalist, stay with the Wall Street Journal.
Perfect example.
And you report this as a fact without saying allegedly or may have, I'm coming after you too.
alex jones
Roger, you are absolutely right.
Again, that's why when I say we're all Roger Stone.
They're coming after everybody.
I could play CNN clips, MSNBC clips, New York Times articles where they say, after we get Trump and Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of Trump's friends, we're going to punish all these people at every level.
We're going to go after millions of people.
I mean, these are terrorists.
These are authoritarians.
These are the real McCoy.
These are the enemy.
Roger, are you still there?
Well, that ended on a good note with Roger.
His internet was cut off today.
unidentified
Probably an accident.
alex jones
He's paid his bill.
dan friesen
He was on the phone.
He wasn't on Skype because they couldn't get the Skype to connect.
So I don't know what that has to do with his internet.
jordan holmes
Now they also cannot get the phone to work.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
This is not a good operation.
dan friesen
But it ended on a good note.
Roger threatening to sue people.
jordan holmes
It ended on a good note.
unidentified
You gotta end on a high note.
dan friesen
It was a pretty short interview.
And that is really the high point of it is Roger's phone cutting out.
And yeah, he allegedly had all these bots and shit because I don't want to get sued.
Sure.
Yeah, I like that.
You know, it's kind of like the old Roger.
Threatening people.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah!
jordan holmes
You like it!
dan friesen
It almost feels like at this point he knows he's cool.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, he's free.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Although, this is still Thursday, so he shouldn't know this at this point.
Yeah, you kind of get the sense that he's got the information.
He's going on in fours and threatening to sue people who report on his bot farm.
Alleged bot farm.
jordan holmes
The tone of his previous interviews that we've covered have been very much, Please, God, please give me a pardon!
dan friesen
There's still a bit of really overplaying the religiousness in my newfound...
As soon as I decided to love God, everything turned around.
Yeah, there's still some of that, but he does not say, he does not discuss praying to Trump this time.
Now, if we know one thing from our time doing this show.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
Alex is totally fine when tech doesn't work.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, no.
He's not mad at the crew, Dan.
He's not mad at the crew.
dan friesen
He's the kind of guy who's like, he's the guy you want with you when there's trouble.
Because he keeps his head about him.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
He's the kind of guy you want behind the wheel when you hit some ice.
He's the kind of guy who knows that you just tap on the brick.
unidentified
Keeps calm and knows how to keep everyone safe.
dan friesen
Doesn't freak out.
jordan holmes
Crisis management is his name.
alex jones
Roger, you there?
I've learned when to tap out, guys.
I don't want to tap out.
I have my instincts.
I'm ready to tap out.
Roger's not there.
The most amateur thing on talk radio, Howard Stern, that's what he calls.
He has prank callers call a radio station.
And then act like they're a guest or a caller and then go, hello, hello, and then say a little something and then not be there.
And then say a little, I have a pet peeve and it's bad.
Roger's cell phone's out.
And so I'm not going to do this thing where I go back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and back.
jordan holmes
I'm not doing it!
alex jones
Anyways, the ongoing technical difficulties are fun.
They are fun, and I refuse to wallow in them.
Like, I'm gonna go out there.
I'm leaving.
unidentified
I refuse to be part of this crap.
alex jones
I'm telling you, man, because it's not that.
unidentified
It's doing it over and over and over and over and over and over again.
alex jones
The failure, the criminals everywhere, the devil doctors killing all the old people and the liars like Bill Gates.
We all just sit here while they crap all over us.
Okay, there is the UN...
Well, Sacha Baron Cohen says I'm going to want to talk about this so I don't have me arrested, but I'm going to talk about it.
In fact, get Cohen queued up if we're able to do that.
Great crew.
I'm not mad at him.
unidentified
I'm just...
alex jones
It's little amateur pet peeve things I have.
We're done with that body.
We're done.
We're done.
unidentified
It's over.
alex jones
We're done.
unidentified
Done.
alex jones
Ever again.
Ever again.
unidentified
All right!
Yeah!
Woo.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
That was a rollercoaster.
That was fantastic.
dan friesen
You know, here's my favorite part about this.
jordan holmes
Which was your favorite part?
dan friesen
First of all, all of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, fantastic.
Fantastic.
dan friesen
Just art.
Yeah.
My favorite part for sure, though, is that it begins, the freak out, with him talking about how it's amateurish.
On radio shows, when you hear someone say, hello, hello, and they can't hear each other, you know, it doesn't sync up quite right.
And then he does two minutes screaming about how this keeps happening on his show.
That's the most amateurish thing.
jordan holmes
Keeps over and over and over and over and over and over again.
You know what's amateur?
Not being able to roll with the fucking punches.
dan friesen
Constantly freaking out whenever you have, like, tech difficulties at your million-dollar studio.
Yeah, that's amateurish.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you think I've never done...
How many shows have I been on in the middle of fucking nowhere where all of a sudden the microphone cuts out and I just gotta toss it aside and continue doing the goddamn show?
I don't stop and scream at the bartender.
dan friesen
No, you're a bad practitioner of your craft if you are unable to...
And granted, if you're really early on in doing stand-up, you probably shouldn't be expected to be able to handle that.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, absolutely not.
dan friesen
But let's say you've been doing it for, I don't know, 20-something years on a professional...
You probably should be able to.
Let's say the lights go out.
That's a challenge, but you should be able to handle it.
Mike goes off.
You should be able to handle it.
You should not be completely fucked up by it.
Now, let's say you're doing a month of shows at a certain place.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the mic keeps going out.
jordan holmes
Again and again and again and again and again.
dan friesen
Now let's say the 15th time it happens, you still can't handle it.
And somehow you haven't been able to talk to the manager or the guy behind the tech booth and figure out what the fuck is going on with the mic going out.
jordan holmes
You can't fix it.
It's impossible to fix.
dan friesen
I would argue you're a bad performer.
You're a bad comedian.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
You're not caring.
Yeah, you're failing on a whole lot of levels.
jordan holmes
And you're lazy.
dan friesen
The other word I would use is amateurish.
But damn it, do I love those freakouts.
Although that one did give me chills a little bit.
It felt a little realer at points.
Just of the real intense anger.
jordan holmes
There's a level of repetition that we get to that stops being performative and starts being a representation of psychosis.
Yeah, but it's like, again and again and again and again and again.
You're like, okay, I get you.
But you do it 30 more times and you're like, you need me.
dan friesen
Maybe, or it's filling time.
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
Might have realized, well...
jordan holmes
I got nothing else to do.
dan friesen
I got 20 seconds to break.
I could just say, done, done, done, over and over again.
We'll get there.
We'll get to the break.
jordan holmes
We'll get to the break.
That's true.
Time continues.
dan friesen
The rest of the show does not matter.
So we jump back in on the 10th here, and Alex is getting ready for the 2020 election.
And basically what we've got in front of us is two possibilities.
One, Trump wins, or Trump wins, but it looks like Biden's won because there's a coup.
alex jones
115.
Planet rotations until we are in the middle of what will be a giant contested election, the cherry on top, the detonator to take this country into hot civil war.
Inside the Pentagon, everyone is being approached and being asked, will you support a coup against President Trump?
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So that's going to be the theme of this episode for the most part.
There's a coup, which we learned about already on Alex's show because Joe Biden had to go talk shit on the Daily Show.
unidentified
Oh!
jordan holmes
He's going to coup him!
dan friesen
Unveil the coup plans.
jordan holmes
Hey, I think Trump's insane and he might try and stay in power.
It's obviously him saying he's going to take over.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
That's a coup.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So, in order to defend his argument, Alex has a couple of articles that he's using as, like, the big tent poles here.
And they don't really work, but he tries.
alex jones
Well, now I have the Council on Foreign Relations, America's Democratic Unraveling.
On page 50, on page 5, it says, the armed forces will be needed to remove Trump.
That if he contest the election in any way, he will be removed by the U.S. military.
dan friesen
Naturally, Alex has not read this article in the Foreign Affairs, and honestly, probably he's just hoping no one in his audience does either.
It's a pretty savage laying out of the various ways that our country's structure and government have been usurped by Trump and the right wing's drive for power, and it's honestly pretty fair-handed.
The central thesis of this article is that erosion of norms and the structure of our society is a gradual process, but the collapse comes very fast.
It's very well articulated in this passage.
Quote, As James Robinson and I argue in our recent book, The Narrow Corridor...
Democratic institutions restrain elected leaders by enabling a delicate balance of oversight by different branches of government, the legislature, and the judiciary, and political action by regular people, whether in the form of voting in elections or exerting pressure via protest.
But democratic institutions rest on norms, compromise, cooperation, respect for truth, and are bolstered by an active, self-confident citizenry and a free press.
When democratic values come under attack and the press and civil society are neutralized, the institutional safeguards lose their power.
Under such conditions, the transgressions of those in power go unpunished or become normalized.
The gradual erosion of checks and balances thus gives way to sudden institutional collapse.
That's a pretty fair assessment of, you know.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this article argues that Trump has been playing a very authoritarian playbook since he began his presidency.
Quote, By dismissing concerns about Russian interference in the US election, refusing to disclose his tax returns, openly pursuing policies that serve his family's financial interests, vilifying Hispanic and Muslim Americans, propagating conspiracy theories, and relentlessly lying to the press, the president has left practically no norm of democratic governance unviolated.
These actions not only weaken the institutions that are supposed to restrain the president, but also further polarize the US electorate.
Creating a constituency that unconditionally supports Trump out of fear that the Democrats will take power.
The author, Darren Asmoglu, is a professor of economics at MIT that discusses how nothing is certain and that things aren't too far gone for us to course correct, but that probably is going to be, if it does happen, it's going to be a long, painful process, and it's probably impossible if Trump is re-elected.
His consistent pattern of behaving as a singular, dictatorish leader who's not constrained by any of the normal things that make our system function would continue.
And Esmoglu is of the opinion that in that situation, there's really nothing that could stop the administration and everything from collapsing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course not.
dan friesen
A fair point is made that, quote, So that's a nice recognition of the fact that it's not an easy fix, even if.
The article has nothing to do with the contested election or the military being used to remove Trump.
Alex is saying those things as a clear indication that he didn't read this article or he has no interest in discussing what it actually says.
The line Alex is taking out of context comes from a paragraph that's discussing how Trump is not at this point completely free from all institutional constraints.
There are some judges who are pushing back on his clearly illegal executive orders, for example.
The article goes on to say, quote, The armed forces may be able to restrain him as well, as evidenced by the forceful rebuke he received from former Defense Secretary James Mattis after threatening to deploy the U.S. military and National Guard against protesters.
But it would be a sad day if Americans had to depend on the military to save their democracy.
And the trend is toward fewer, not more, checks on the President's power.
If the last remaining restraints give way, the fall towards autocracy will be swift.
I don't know.
That's not saying the same thing Alex is claiming it is.
Anyway, Alex is a liar, and this is a good but depressing article, particularly in the context of Trump just commuting Roger Stone's sentence for crimes he almost certainly carried out to advance the interests of Trump himself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm really disappointed in Trump there, because it seems like he made a grave miscalculation in not cozying up to the military.
You know, like from day one.
dan friesen
I think he's been trying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but he's just been doing a really shitty job of it.
It's almost like his inherent personality flaws keep him from really taking advantage of what a demagogue could do in his situation.
Like, this would be a dictatorship, you know, like three years ago if you had done it right.
It's not hard.
Like, look at the Council of Foreign Relations list of things that Trump is doing to erode the norms.
That all happened before he got elected.
What's the list that he didn't do during the campaign?
dan friesen
You're talking about from this article?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Where it was like Russian interference, demonizing his family, and all of that stuff happened before.
You could have taken over a year in.
dan friesen
Yeah, to be fair, he didn't openly pursue policies that served his financial interests when he wasn't in a position to do that.
jordan holmes
Becoming president is a policy that openly pursues his financial interests.
dan friesen
Becoming president isn't a policy.
jordan holmes
Oh, fine.
Fine.
I'll give him that.
Fine.
He just broke the law on day one of his election.
dan friesen
I'm just saying, you can't use the president.
To enrich yourself when you don't have the presidency.
unidentified
You can use the illusion of the possible future presidency.
jordan holmes
Fair.
dan friesen
That's not an abuse of power.
Running for president to sell books is something that a lot of people do.
It's a very normal thing.
jordan holmes
Which is also an issue we should talk about.
dan friesen
I don't disagree.
I think it's fucked up.
But that's not the same as using the...
That's not corruption of the office.
That's corruption of the process, I guess.
Look, let's not get too deep into the weeds.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I agree with you for the most part, but I also disagree slightly.
And we'll leave it there for now, because Alex has another article about how there's a coup and all that shit.
alex jones
Here's a new one out of the Stanford Advocate.
Anyone saying that he will not leave will be arrested.
Trump could lose and not leave, but cabinet members who try to help face prison.
dan friesen
So this is actually an article that Alex found in the Stamford Advocate, not Stanford, and it's actually just a reposting of an article from the Washington Post.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This article is really just a legal analysis about how unlikely it is that Trump will refuse to step down if he loses in November.
The reason for that is because in order for him to pull that off, he would need to persuade the entire executive branch to do so as well, when doing so puts them in a very serious legal jeopardy.
The point of the piece is well summed up by the closing paragraph.
Quote, Nothing can, with total certainty, ensure a normal transition of power from as abnormal a president as Donald Trump.
But it's vital to recognize that if Trump tries to retain power illegitimately, he'll need help from his cabinet.
Yeah, sure.
It would be...
A lot of people.
jordan holmes
Oh, they would face so terrifying legal consequences.
Oh, no.
Not legal consequences.
There's no way to get around legal consequences, Dan.
dan friesen
I understand what you're saying.
It would be a gigantic thing you'd need a lot of people to join in with.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which, I mean, it's not inconceivable, but it's not as big.
The issue here is that whether or not Trump would be able to successfully do that.
Even gesturing towards it is a problem.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And even if he doesn't have an executive branch to fulfill the duties that you need to run a government, even if he still said, I'm the legitimate president, that causes just as big of a problem.
Oh yeah, totally.
So I don't know.
Anyway, this is something that Alex should support, the point of this article, because Alex is supposed to love America and the Constitution and all those things.
jordan holmes
You're supposed to like the Constitution.
dan friesen
Yep.
It's not like this article is even taking Trump losing as a certainty.
Like, it explicitly says, quote, if Trump legitimately wins on election day, he wins.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the end.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Of America.
dan friesen
So, Alex gets into talking about COVID, and of course, he now has proof.
Bombshell proof.
jordan holmes
Oh, Bolsonaro got infected, so it's bombshell proof that the...
No?
dan friesen
Bombshell proof that it is not an epidemic, and that we're all cool now or something.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
I have absolute smoking gun on top of smoking gun, on top of red flag, on top of hand and cookie jar, on top of just absolute ridiculousness that COVID-19 is a giant fraud at every level, every facet, every angle, designed for planetary takeover, AI takeover, depopulation, you name it.
And now, on the CDC's own website, They say that COVID-19 is not an epidemic.
And that actually it is a nosediving death curve.
And that's why every headline you see says, America's entered a black hole of COVID.
America failed.
America sucks.
America opened too early.
unidentified
America.
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
dan friesen
This is just some bullshit that Alex is taking from an article on Tom Papert's blog, National File.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
The National File article asserts that, quote, according to the CDC reports from March to May, COVID-19 deaths had a sudden spike and then immediately proceeded to drop.
And if the drop continues...
The viral disease will no longer be considered an epidemic according to international standards.
jordan holmes
That's great!
Well then, I'm glad to know that May was a good month for us, and I'm sure things will continue on, and that, uh...
dan friesen
Even if you just take that as true, then Alex is still misreporting this story.
He's saying that the CDC says that this is currently not an epidemic, whereas the story he's covering is talking about a possible threshold that might be reached in the future, which is bad work.
The link that the national file provides is to a page on the CDC's website reflecting data for the week ending on July 4th.
On the very top of the page, in the Key Updates section, they say, quote, The percentage of specimens testing positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, decreased slightly from last week.
However, this past week included a holiday, which could impact both testing and reporting.
Mortality attributed to COVID-19 decreased compared to last week and is currently at the epidemic threshold, but will likely increase as additional death certificates are processed.
They're just making stuff up by misrepresenting things that are on this CDC update page while not offering the proper context that's on that page, which is called lying.
There are other things that are on this page too that should worry people.
I mean...
There's a slight total decrease of national numbers for percentages of tests coming back positive, but there's a couple of regions in the country that are really pushing those numbers up.
The South Central region, which covers Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas, were showing positive test rates of 16.8%.
Also, the Southeastern region, covering Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Georgia, North and South Carolina, and Florida, was reflecting a 14.1% positive rate.
These dudes are just cherry-picking whatever sort of out-of-context line they can find to help make their arguments, but the totality of the information on the very pages they link to as sources refute the things that they're saying.
So, I don't know.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know what to say other than these people need to be stopped.
You can't say this on air.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You can't do it.
I mean, I get...
Look, Constitution's already out the window.
We lost that a while back.
dan friesen
Interesting.
You and I have a little slight disagreement about that, I suppose.
jordan holmes
If the Constitution was still in effect, it would be applied to people.
And it doesn't seem to be doing so.
This shit is too dangerous.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex gets to talking about the big Supreme Court decision of the last week that gave Oklahoma, a large portion of Oklahoma, to the tribal lands.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
What are we going to say about this?
dan friesen
He doesn't say all that much about it, actually.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's all right.
dan friesen
Yeah, but before he gets to it, he's sort of like teasing what's coming up.
I got really excited about something that never pays off.
alex jones
We got Bohemian Grove news.
The Supreme Court.
Has handed over half of Oklahoma so they can defend a convicted child rapist.
I'm not kidding.
That's no joke.
dan friesen
I have no idea what this Bohemian Grove news is.
jordan holmes
I just wrote Bohemian Grove news down because I was anticipating being distracted by whatever he's going to go on with and then get back to it.
But no.
Nope.
dan friesen
I heard that and I was like...
Fuck yes, Bohemian Grove News.
Yeah, of course!
jordan holmes
Bohemian Grove News!
dan friesen
In 2020?
jordan holmes
That's what I want!
Yeah, I want Bohemian Grove News!
dan friesen
What's up with Moloch?
I don't think he ever gets to that.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's unfortunate.
dan friesen
Now, as for the stuff about Oklahoma, his story is not true.
Last week, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that about half of Oklahoma is technically Creek land and somewhat sovereign to the state of Oklahoma.
It's really complicated, but essentially what will end up happening is if there's major crimes committed by a native person inside the area considered Creek territory, they cannot be tried by the state of Oklahoma.
It has to be handled by the federal government.
Smaller crimes like misdemeanors or civil matters, those involving native persons, will be handled by tribal courts.
According to NPR, this is already the case in large parts of Arizona, New Mexico, and Montana.
Sure.
unidentified
This is not an attempt to protect someone who sexually assaulted a child, but it's easy to create that misinformation out of the case.
dan friesen
The case in question was McGirt v.
Oklahoma, where Jim C. McGirt was a member of the Seminole Nation, was convicted of sex crimes against a child on Creek Land.
The appealing of the case was never about getting him acquitted.
The argument was that the state of Oklahoma had no jurisdiction to try the case, and he needed to be tried in federal court.
Alex loves sovereignty, so you'd think he'd be in favor of it for others, but what a shock.
He's trying to turn this story about a treaty between the United States government and the Creek people being honored into a story about protecting pedophiles.
He's really getting to be a one-trick pony these days.
jordan holmes
What is he about to do?
And that's why we should reconquer half of Oklahoma in order to make sure that the Oklahoma state can enforce...
dan friesen
He doesn't get to that point, but he's just trying to pretend that it's a thing where they're trying to get this guy off the hook by getting him into tribal courts that'll let him off.
In reality, he'll be tried by a federal court and almost certainly convicted.
It's really just more about honoring this treaty.
jordan holmes
Which is tough to get the American government to fucking do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Weird.
Alex probably feels really bad about supporting Gorsuch now when Steve Pichanik told him not to.
Anyway, now on the lighter side of the Infowars offerings for today in the news.
alex jones
When I talk about monkey see, monkey do, I meant to hit this yesterday.
Guys, search engine this.
Monkeys now adopting wearing masks.
In India?
In Africa?
In Southeast Asia, monkeys have all now been seen picking up masks out of trash piles and putting them on.
Now, we're a lot smarter than our fellow primate, these different types of monkeys that are doing this, but they think of humans as more advanced, as successful.
They watch us closely.
jordan holmes
What are you doing?
alex jones
We drop food and stuff for them.
jordan holmes
Stop it.
alex jones
And they know that we're more advanced, so they're now putting the mask on.
dan friesen
I think it's entirely possible that it's a coincidence that doesn't mean anything, that a couple people might have seen monkeys putting on discarded masks.
Kind of like when you see a crab holding a knife.
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, the monkey isn't very good at that move, and it ends up with the scarf over its face and kind of looks like a mask.
It's a really cute video, and people love it.
jordan holmes
Did you know that there is a mainstream movie where a monkey wears a fez hat?
Have you seen that?
dan friesen
It's called Aladdin.
It's incredible.
This kind of does illustrate a disturbing trend of monkeys, though they're mimicking our behaviors.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
We all wear masks, and then to be like us, monkeys are doing it too.
jordan holmes
Because they know we're more advanced.
dan friesen
The only problem with this theory is that the video has been reposted for at least a year, and it predates COVID-19.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
It went viral again after it was reposted by Susanta Nanda of the Indian Forest Services, but it's not a new video.
Also, I'm really interested in this theory that Alex has about monkeys copying our behaviors because they think we're successful.
That's something I don't have anywhere near the amount of patience it would take to unpack, so I'm going to leave the topic with this thought.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
For Alex Jones, work is basically just him seeing some kind of piece of viral content and then making up a story about it.
jordan holmes
Yes, correct.
dan friesen
That's what he calls research.
jordan holmes
That's his job.
dan friesen
That's basically all he does.
Also, I think that monkeys would probably copy other behaviors.
If they had a fundamental understanding of us...
jordan holmes
They started wearing shoes.
dan friesen
I feel like they'd have a stock market if they really liked our successfulness.
jordan holmes
I'm going to give you a hint as to where I think Alex gets this information.
I'm going to go with this.
And let me see if you can get the reference, alright?
unidentified
Damn you!
dan friesen
You maniacs!
jordan holmes
God damn you!
Damn you all to hell!
dan friesen
Seems likely.
jordan holmes
That sounds about right.
dan friesen
So, Alex, in this next clip, he takes responsibility for a decision that Trump made that I'm going to present without comment, though I do think this could look real bad in hindsight.
alex jones
Trump, as I told you first, a month and a half ago, was going to sideline Fauci.
It happened two weeks later.
They even used the term sideline.
Had that directly from the White House, that they got the message.
I've advised the White House, destroy him.
Destroy gates.
Annihilate them.
They've got the patents on the vaccines.
They pre-planned it all.
You're starting to see that come out.
Trump's the real deal, folks, but he's got to hit them now.
He can't wait.
dan friesen
So Alex has sort of given the impression that his content getting to Trump has inspired him to sideline the sort of medical experts in the middle of a pandemic.
Hope that doesn't...
End up looking real bad in the present or even worse in the future.
jordan holmes
So what you're saying is Alex is claiming to directly influence the removal of medical experts in the middle of a pandemic.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
I think that would be more of an admission of guilt, really.
dan friesen
I do think it'll look pretty bad.
jordan holmes
It won't look good.
dan friesen
So now Alex starts fantasizing about how Trump needs to have Fauci and Bill Gates murdered.
alex jones
Trump's the real deal, folks, but he's got to hit them now.
He can't wait.
And he's the president.
These are traitors working with China.
I mean, hit him politically, president.
As hard as you want, the American people will back it.
Or maybe Fauci just goes away on a long trip along with Bill Gates somewhere.
Maybe they just vacationed together someplace we'd never see him again.
Who knows?
They're like Whitman, Price from the Dodd.
jordan holmes
Really?
alex jones
Society paid in full.
Last season's winners.
Let's continue.
dan friesen
Man, Alex complains all the time about this idea of the Soviets disappearing people.
jordan holmes
Well, it's morally wrong to disappear people.
dan friesen
I guess, but he's kind of wanting his enemies to go on a long camping trip.
jordan holmes
Well, that's because Trump is the real deal, and the real deal disappears people.
dan friesen
I guess.
I mean, it's just silly.
So, this morning, on the 10th, that morning, Alex...
Was driving around or something, and he saw some joggers.
unidentified
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
We're going to scream at joggers now?
dan friesen
No, I don't know if he yells at them, but he does write a weird story about them.
alex jones
So this morning, I was doing an errand.
I was in a little strip center area.
It was full of parking.
So I parked a little down the street by a residential area, and I get back in my car, and I see what looks like some joggers, walkers, about 100 yards away.
And by the time I roll up the window and, you know...
Turn on the car, they're about 50 yards away, and I'm on my phone, taking a call, and I notice that they're waiting and pointing at me, but they've got a whole sidewalk and everything.
And so I get off the phone, and I'm sitting there watching them, and I go, they look about like Chinese.
They're wearing masks.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Chinese man, Chinese woman.
And they start walking down, pointing at me angry.
I didn't videotape it.
I didn't want to antagonize them.
jordan holmes
Oh, sure.
You hate antagonizing people.
alex jones
I was in a truck with the windows up, and it...
Wasn't enough that I got in and the windows up.
They were social distancing.
Probably, you know, here working for a tech company, probably Chinese citizens.
Because there, their phones track them for every foot they are.
And if they go buy another person, their social credit score goes down.
So to them, it's like a big video game to follow the AI to prepare themselves.
And the AI is already in place.
The public's just being told about it now.
So to watch the next level of conformity 100 yards away.
And then 50 yards away, stopping and waiting for me on a quiet street, looked like Mayberry.
dan friesen
So it's interesting how many assumptions he makes in that story that are completely unfounded.
Like, he decides that they must be Chinese citizens here working for a tech company, and they're used to being monitored by cell phone and having their credit score go down, and so that's why they're pointing at him.
I think it's entirely possible that they knew it was Alex Jones and they're like, look at that fucking asshole!
Or even, let's take a benign version of it.
They just see him and they know who he is and he's a famous person.
jordan holmes
Look, it's Alex Jones!
dan friesen
There's a hundred explanations that have nothing to do with masks or social distancing at all.
Or, if they are keenly aware of who he is, it could be a look out.
Look out, we are minorities and Alex Jones is in a truck.
This could not go well.
jordan holmes
I just kept thinking during that story, the next thing that Alex should say to some other human being is like, why do these wolves have so many pads on them?
That's what you should say after that story.
That is an insane person.
dan friesen
All we have to go on is Alex's retelling of things.
Let's look at the concrete things that happened in this story.
Alex was in his truck.
He saw a couple of people who pointed at him.
Those are the only things that are concrete that aren't just his interpretation of what happened.
jordan holmes
Alex, a famous person, is in a truck.
A large truck, of course, which would draw attention on its own.
People noticed him.
dan friesen
He has a big old head.
The end.
He's very easy to pick out of a crowd.
jordan holmes
I don't recall the Chinese government having anything to do with that, but I could be wrong.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, this is one of those things.
If I were Alex, I would call it a Rosetta Stone.
The ways in which you can see the concrete facts of this story are thin.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Most of the meat is just things that he's making up.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And imagining.
Because this story is a zero on its own.
jordan holmes
And it's still a boring story!
dan friesen
You're not wrong.
jordan holmes
Even with all the shit he's added into it, I was bored.
dan friesen
You're not wrong.
You're not wrong.
It's a pretty bad story.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Even with all the...
jordan holmes
Embellishments.
dan friesen
Yeah.
All the tassels and bells on it, it's still...
Really, really boring.
jordan holmes
This is why his stand-up did not go well.
dan friesen
True.
So, Alex has learned that there's this guy named Nim Kid.
Okay.
The rats of Nim Kid?
No.
He's an emergency, a Texas emergency division chief.
And he did an interview that was discussing how...
There are instances where we might want to be suggesting people wear masks at home.
And Alex has taken this to be like, they're going to force you to wear a mask at home.
And so he plays this clip.
But the reason I kept this in is that you can tell Alex is very strategic about interrupting this clip.
alex jones
The man you always see standing behind him is Texas Chief Nim Kid.
You always see Nim Kid.
Behind the governor wearing his mask.
And he says, do not leave your house without a mask, but also in your house wear a mask because you're such a bad person.
You're so evil.
You're so dangerous.
Here it is.
unidentified
Today is we need to do that when we're in our homes also.
As you know, I'm a lifelong San Antonio and grew up there, worked there for many years, and I know how many multi-generational families that we have.
And while we believe the community is doing a great job of following the rules when they're outside of the home, We really need to be thinking about doing the same thing when we're inside the home.
All of us are capable of catching this disease.
None of us are immune from this.
And the fact that we need to get across this in order to protect ourselves, we need to protect our families and our loved ones.
We really need to be thinking about the care that we're providing inside the home right now to make sure that we're not spreading this disease inside the home and then making it come outside the house.
jordan holmes
So let me get this straight.
unidentified
What you're effectively saying is that people should be wearing masks inside their own homes now?
Ryan, I'm saying if you can't socially distance and can't socially isolate, or if you've been out in public and exposing yourself and you haven't decontaminated yourself good enough when you get home, if you have someone that has underlying medical conditions at home...
alex jones
That's enough.
Turn this idiot off.
Okay, if you want to know the road to hell, what it's paved with, it's paved with...
jordan holmes
Reasonable.
alex jones
...of Texas Emergency Management System.
Nim kid.
dan friesen
Alex had to interrupt right then because he realized that it was making too much sense.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And if he allowed the guy to talk any longer, it was going to be completely clear what he was talking about.
Here's the version that Alex wants his audience to believe is what Kid is saying.
All you Texans need to wear masks when you leave the house and now also at home.
We're mandating you to do this and if you don't submit, you'll be in trouble.
However, the further that clip played, it became more clear that what he was saying made sense.
Kidd was not saying that anything about mandating people to wear masks at home is just a suggestion that people should consider.
And it's not something that everyone needs to consider.
It was a suggestion that was specific to people who are living in multi-generational homes and may have people in their house who are at a higher risk from the virus.
If you're in such a household and you're not able to protect yourself when you go out in public, then it might be a good thing to consider to wear a mask inside to save your grandmother's life.
This was a big slip-up on Alex's part that could have easily been avoided if he did any preparation for his show.
If he even gave a single shit about the things he covered, he would have pre-screened that clip and known where you need to turn it off so it doesn't contradict your narrative about it.
jordan holmes
You cut it off when the guy asks, so are you saying that we need to wear a mask?
dan friesen
Cut it off before that.
jordan holmes
And then you cut it off.
dan friesen
Cut it off before that.
unidentified
Ah, fair.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, like, it's embarrassing, that fuck up.
jordan holmes
It really is.
dan friesen
But, you know, it's great.
The way that Alex is able to get around that and try and, if you'll pardon the expression, mask.
His fuck-up is by faking anger.
Oh, I'm so disgusted with this.
jordan holmes
I've got to get this terrible news out of my...
dan friesen
Turn this guy off saying things that are unfortunately about to make sense.
And are starting to.
So there's a coup against Trump that's been the main thrust of this entire episode.
And it's live.
alex jones
When we come back, I'll get into the coup plan against Trump that's now active and live, openly announced by Democrats.
But first...
We'll play the director of the U.N. Emergency Response Operation.
His counterpart that wrote this up, he's the head of Emergency in Texas.
He gets his orders down to the CDC from the U.N. directly from Dr. Michael J. Ryan that says, we're coming to take your children, your parents.
We're coming into your houses.
And this piece of trash is getting us ready for it.
He hasn't even gotten the memo yet.
In about a month.
owen shroyer
Silver has always been nature's very own animal egg.
jordan holmes
Oops.
You suck!
dan friesen
Bad time management there.
So Alex says he's going to play this clip, and there's some nonsense that he said in that clip already, but I'll play Alex's thing here before getting into any of that.
alex jones
Here's the head of the UN Global Emergency Response to Disasters and Medical Crises, Dr. Ryan, and he is through this...
UNWHO, down to the NIH CDC, the state of Texas, who this man takes his orders from, the Texas Division of Emergency Management head, Chief Nim Kidd, who says, don't leave your house without a mask and you need to wear one in your house.
And then already in Australia, already in Spain, they begun coming to the houses, taking the families away, breaking them up.
Here it is.
unidentified
And at the moment, In most parts of the world, due to lockdown, most of the transmission that's actually happening in many countries now is happening in the household, at family level.
In some senses, transmission has been taken off the streets and pushed back into family units.
Now, we need to go and look in families to find those people who may be sick and remove them and isolate them in a safe and dignified manner.
dan friesen
So, first things first, the UN emergency management people are not in charge of the Texas Division of Emergency Management.
jordan holmes
Ah, sure.
dan friesen
There's a lot of local jurisdictional focus in terms of the Texas emergency planning structure, and it gets a little messy, but ultimately it all goes back to the governor.
I was able to find the 2020 Texas Emergency Management Structure document, which discusses the Texas Emergency Management Council.
This is, quote, composed of state agencies and non-governmental organizations appointed by the governor.
The council was established to advise and assist the governor in all matters related to disaster mitigation, preparedness, response, and recovery.
This has no formal connection to the body that Dr. Michael Ryan is the executive director of, which is the World Health Organization health emergencies program.
That clip that Alex played probably sounds kind of scary, but Alex is taking it entirely out of context.
This is from a media briefing on the virus from March 30th, and the particular steps that Dr. Ryan describes are not relevant to our situation at all.
In the full context of his comments, Ryan is discussing a monitoring methodology that could be put in place if cases went down to very low numbers.
If you only have a few cases identified a day, a state or country could have the ability to trace their contacts and monitor them for symptoms, and if someone gets sick, provide them with a safe place to quarantine away from the home so they don't get other people sick.
and keep spreading the disease.
If you listen to the full response to this question, he even says that it isn't something you can really do effectively when you have thousands of cases a day, and the U.S. has been currently tracking over 50,000 new cases a day, so it's pretty safe to say that most of the country is not in a position where anything Dr. Ryan says Ryan was saying back in March is relevant.
Yeah.
unidentified
Dr. Ryan was talking about what a country could do once it is pushed transmission off the streets and into the homes.
dan friesen
The tragedy of Alex lying about this stuff is that we're nowhere near that point.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
I mean, you can get scared about this out-of-context clip of this World Health Organization guy, or you can recognize that it has nothing to do with the situation.
jordan holmes
It seems like he's dealing with a serious pot-committed kind of fallacy there, where it's just like, hey, I've been denying this for so long.
Even though the evidence is now completely undeniable, I have to double down.
Otherwise, I'm going to look like a moron.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's tough.
jordan holmes
Even though I am a moron, I don't want to look like one.
That would make me feel bad.
dan friesen
That would feel bad.
jordan holmes
It would feel bad.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, Alex still hasn't gotten to his big top story, which is the coup against Trump.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
That's still supposed to be coming.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And so, maybe we'll get to it?
alex jones
I've got Savannah Hernandez and Owen Troyer who are on fire.
Coming in here.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God!
alex jones
I haven't even gotten to my top story yet.
So what I'm going to do is I'm going to do this right now.
I'm going to mention this.
I'm going to hit this coming out of the gates at six after.
They'll be in studio with me.
We'll talk about this at first, and we'll move into the subjects they're on.
But you understand, I've got a stack of news articles and video clips where they're officially saying how they're going to have a coup against the president physically with the U.S. military.
jordan holmes
Dan is holding a knife as we speak.
unidentified
The last thing I need, guys, is to hammer home the concept.
alex jones
Goldman Sachs article where Goldman Sachs came out yesterday.
Goldman Sachs says election will be contested.
I need that, please.
It was a Reuters article.
unidentified
So...
alex jones
Oh, man, I tell you, there's just so much of this.
I can't even keep track of it anymore.
So that's coming up briefly.
We want to fund this operation.
We want to get great products at the same time.
Now's the time to do it.
dan friesen
I can't possibly imagine doing such a shitty job and then still insisting on begging the audience for money.
jordan holmes
Isn't he working?
It's happening.
dan friesen
Alex hasn't gotten to his top story, so he's going to tease it.
But he doesn't have the right piece of paper in front of him, so the show just grinds to a halt and he decides this is a good time to do an ad.
Alex's entire thing with Goldman Sachs attacking Trump would probably make more sense if Trump hadn't made former Goldman Sachs executive Steve Mnuchin the secretary of the treasury.
His campaign hadn't been run by former Goldman Sachs employee Steve Bannon and his original chief financial advisor wasn't former Goldman Sachs COO Gary Cohn.
There's no conflict between Trump and Goldman Sachs, despite what Alex might want to pretend.
This article that Alex can't remember anything about has to do with Goldman Sachs advising investors to hedge their positions through the end of the year since they predict market volatility around the election.
They're now predicting a contested election the same way Alex is trying to use the term where both candidates say that they're the rightful winner.
Goldman Sachs is saying that there are certain variables in play which could delay the announcement of a winner, which could lead to some market fluctuation.
the time it takes to count those, and the virus possibly affecting voting schedules, as reasons to be a cautious investor.
There were a bunch of ups and downs in the five weeks between the 2000 election and the Supreme Court naming Bush the winner, and this is more or less just a financial business advising investors that some similar shit is probable this year.
Yeah.
unidentified
This is just short of proof of a coup, but I guess if that's how Alex wants to play things, that's what he's going to play.
jordan holmes
I mean...
If there was a coup, Goldman Sachs is on Trump's team.
Like, what are we talking here?
Come on, man.
dan friesen
Seems like it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex brings in Owen and Savannah Hernandez.
jordan holmes
They are on fire, though, correct?
dan friesen
They've been put out since then.
They were not burning.
jordan holmes
This is a computer chip in a homeless person situation all over again.
If you say Owen Schroyer's on fire, I want burning Schroyer.
dan friesen
You want flames.
jordan holmes
I want flames!
dan friesen
Flambe Schroyer.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
No.
Instead, you just get him sort of kind of talking about how maybe we should murder people.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
owen shroyer
What I think they may do, though, they may have television media come on the night of the election and say, oh, Biden won, Biden won, even though Trump did win, and they'll just have the whole censorship grid rolled out just like they did with COVID.
They'll stop, just like they stop any doctors from talking about hydroxychloroquine or stop any doctors from talking about the fake testers.
alex jones
Exactly.
This has all been a dress rehearsal for stealing the election and having big tech AI totally suppress it all.
owen shroyer
And then so they'll come in and they'll say, oh, Biden won, Biden won, and then Trump will say no.
Biden didn't want it.
Then it'll be the president versus the media.
That'll be the playing field.
You know, our question now, Alex, is we basically have three options.
One option is attack.
And I mean, literally, it's time to mount up and we'll go make our own autonomous zone.
And we'll drag these Democrats out by the scruff of their neck.
alex jones
Yeah, the autonomous zones will be inside the Capitol.
owen shroyer
Yeah, and so that's one.
We can attack.
We can do that.
Two is patience.
We can sit back and wait.
And see, okay, let's see what happens in the election night.
Let's hope for a good thing.
Maybe a big red wave, a bunch of patriots get into Congress, and we can actually do this peacefully and politically.
And then the third option is retreat.
Go to the hills, mount up, get emergency food, get by a body of water, get by a mountain, get a bunch of guns and ammo.
Well, I'm doing both.
jordan holmes
Just do three.
owen shroyer
The philosophical thing we have to wonder now is, for example, if we want to attack or if we want to wait, at what point do we measure...
alex jones
At what point do we have to choose before we've had the choices taken?
jordan holmes
I mean, obviously the answer was when Bolsonaro tested positive for COVID-19, you giant bunch of cowards.
This is pathetic.
This really is.
I have no fear of these people.
If they were going to pull off any of this bullshit, they've already hit all the benchmarks.
dan friesen
Well, I know.
That is a hallmark of Alex's broadcast style.
But simultaneously, people do get hurt.
Periodically.
So it's not like, you know, it's not harmless.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, totally.
I get that.
dan friesen
And, you know, the way that the world has gotten more and more insane over the past six months, you know, it does tend itself...
I feel like there's more danger than normal.
But generally, I agree with you.
I agree that this is more bark than bite.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
But at the same time, I am not comfortable with...
The extent to which these conversations are just super normalized.
jordan holmes
Right, I know.
But again, why?
These people are so fucking stupid.
We can't outsmart them just because they're murderers?
dan friesen
It's not about a fear of Owen doing anything.
No, of course not.
The unknown person who listens to Alex.
jordan holmes
They're stochastic terrorists.
You're not worried about it.
dan friesen
One thing that I think is really interesting is it appears that Owen is a little bit over Trump's bullshit.
It seems to me like he's coming from a position of like, yeah, look, he's not going to do it.
He's not going to do the things we want.
And Alex doesn't seem thrilled with that.
owen shroyer
If Trump wants to let them steal the election from Trump, okay, fine.
That's Trump's decision.
We're not going to let them take our country.
alex jones
And they've already told us the contact tracers are coming to our houses.
And they go, oh, by the way, they're going to be political.
They're the youth brigades Obama wanted.
This is their whole rollout.
owen shroyer
Hey, we want to be on the field.
We want to be on the front lines.
We are the tip of the spear.
Trump has let them censor us.
Trump has let them lie about us, sue us into submission.
We're still fighting.
So, hey, you know, at the end of the day...
Are we fighting for Trump or are we fighting for America?
I'm fighting for America.
alex jones
Let's be clear.
But Trump is there for us.
He's doing a great job.
But Owen, all the points you made are great.
jordan holmes
Wow.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
That's a little bit weird.
The two of them are not on the same page, really.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
jordan holmes
Schroer is starting to lean more towards the Fuentes wing of the let's murder everybody party.
dan friesen
It seems like he is in the, like, Trump's not going to do it.
And that could, you know, we'll see where that goes.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
See how long he can rationalize working for the company that he works for.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
So Savannah Hernandez comes in, and she's got some dumb shit to say about how, like, oh, all these ideas that Trump's not going to leave office, it's just because of Hillary.
savanah hernandez
They've been laying the groundwork for this since Trump got into office.
Hillary Clinton has already come out so many times and said that, well, what if Trump loses in 2020?
unidentified
He's not going to leave the White House.
savanah hernandez
So she's been already laying the groundwork, planting the seeds for this.
dan friesen
It's all good and wild to talk about people like Hillary raising concerns about Trump not leaving office, but you're kind of being dishonest if you don't point out that Trump has a long history of quote-unquote joking about how he's not going to leave office.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There was that speech he gave in December 2019 at the Israeli-American Council National Summit where he said, quote, when they all scream four more years, four more years, I always say make it 12 years and you'll drive them crazy.
Or there was his tweet from June 2019, quote, A poll should be done on which is the more dishonest and deceitful newspaper, the failing New York Times or the Amazon lobbyist Washington Post.
They are both a disgrace to our country, the enemy of the people, but I can't seem to figure out which is worse.
The good news is at the end of six years after America has been made great again and I leave the beautiful White House, do you think the people would demand that I stay longer?
Keep America great!
Both of these horrible papers will quickly go out of business and be forever gone.
Or there was the closed-door speech that he gave in front of Republican donors at Mar-a-Lago in March 2018, where he discussed how the president of China just gave himself a lifetime post.
Quote, he's now president for life.
President for life!
No, he's great.
And look, he was able to do that.
I think it's great.
Maybe we'll have to give that a shot someday.
A Slade article has a listing of at least 27 times Trump has made comments about how he should get more than two terms since he's taken office.
This is not a normal thing for a human to do.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
There's a couple of reasons why someone would act like this, and I'll get to that in a second.
But first, I think it's important to point out that there's a massive difference between the behavior of someone like Hillary and someone like Trump in this circumstance.
Hillary is not a person who's able to make any real decision in this situation.
She's a commentator who's expressing concern that a person will make a very bad decision.
Conversely, Trump is the decision maker.
Legitimately, he's the only person who can decide whether or not to throw this country into an even deeper existential crisis when the election results come in.
He alone is either able to accept or reject a win or a loss, and the ramifications of that choice are almost impossible to overstate.
When Hillary discusses these concerns, she's well within a right to do so, and you're welcome to have your opinion about her opinion.
When Trump quote-unquote jokes about insisting on staying in office after two terms, There are only two possible explanations I can really come up with for why Trump would so consistently joke about this.
The first is to piss off his political opposition.
In that case, we have a president who's such a dick that he'll create the impression that he wants to overturn basic institutional norms in order to troll people.
That alone is disqualifying for a person to be a leader, let alone someone worth taking seriously.
The other possibility is that Trump thinks he should be president for life.
I don't think you can really, but what about Hillary this?
I don't think it's...
jordan holmes
I don't know, but what about Hillary?
You should get a job at InfoWars.
I think I could crush it.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Owen soft pitches the idea of storming the Capitol.
We already sort of talked about it in that last clip of his.
jordan holmes
The autonomous zone is in the Capitol.
dan friesen
He wants 50,000 armed people to storm the Capitol.
jordan holmes
Oh, that'd be nice.
owen shroyer
I'll be honest, Alex.
I think about this.
I think about, you know, is it time for Alex Jones and Infowars to declare war on the deep state and literally say, okay, if we don't have arrests by October 31st, 2020, we call for 50,000 armed men to meet us at the Texas Capitol, and we'll set up our own autonomous zone.
And we'll go wherever we need to go and drag out whoever we need to drag out by the scuff of their neck until we start to get some arrests or we start to get some action.
I don't want to do that.
I know you don't want to do that.
That's why we take political action.
That's why we come on air every day.
But it's reaching a point where, yeah, there's an active coup going on.
dan friesen
I think you come on air every day to fantasize about doing stuff like that.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what you said.
Hey, listen.
I don't want to do the thing that for the past six months I've been screaming how great it would be to do.
But, you know, if they don't do it, they're going to have to make me do the thing that, again, I explicitly...
Do not absolutely want to do and have been saying that I should do for the best.
dan friesen
Now, I said Halloween because it's the only night we have a chance.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
Because we can all be dressed up.
jordan holmes
As we know, Samhain is also when the planets align, giving us the power to break into homes easily.
Uh-huh.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I like it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think this is a good plan.
dan friesen
I don't think it's a good plan.
jordan holmes
You don't think so?
dan friesen
I think it's pretty scary.
Also, I love the idea of him like, is it time for us to declare war on the deep state?
How many fucking times has Alex yelled about that?
jordan holmes
Alex said that the deep state was poisoning Trump's fucking cokes!
dan friesen
That was like three years ago.
unidentified
Yeah, you guys declared war on the deep state?
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
So we know that later this evening, on the 10th, Roger gets his sentence.
Clemenced?
jordan holmes
Clemenced?
unidentified
Whatever.
jordan holmes
Roberto Clements, is what they say?
dan friesen
But on the show that day, Alex let something slip.
alex jones
I know whether Trump's giving him a pardon or not.
I've been asked not to say.
I'll just tell you, the Drudge Report headline's very accurate right now.
We put it back on screen.
Developing Trump to pardon Stone.
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
I love how I always have to wait.
I don't get to break stuff, even though I know it a week ago.
I mean, as of a week ago, Trump is going to pardon the president.
But, I mean, Trump is going to pardon Stone.
dan friesen
First of all, Alex was wrong.
Roger didn't get a pardon.
He got clemency, which is different.
Clemency just reduces the penalty for a conviction, but the crime is still on a person's record, so Roger's still a convicted felon.
If Trump legitimately thought that Roger was wrongly convicted, he would have pardoned him.
But he didn't, because that would probably be too messy.
And I don't even think William Barr would have had his back on that.
jordan holmes
It totally would have.
dan friesen
Maybe.
I don't know.
Clemency is a perfect middle road for corrupt shitheads, because then Roger doesn't have to go to prison, and you don't have to open up the box of what could happen if you pardon him.
jordan holmes
Nah, it's already happened.
The box was opened a long time ago.
dan friesen
According to you.
jordan holmes
Well, I think...
dan friesen
The difference between those things is this is such more of a discreet act.
Yeah.
The stuff with Mueller and all that is very...
There's a lot of ins and outs.
There's a lot of complexity to it.
This is quite simple.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
I think you could make a really easier to digest argument about pardoning Roger.
jordan holmes
Fair.
dan friesen
For trying to intimidate a witness to not testify in a case that had to do with him trying to circumvent the law in order to help Trump's campaign.
I think it's a little easier to be like, this is the clearest case of corruption.
But I don't disagree with you on a human level.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
I think that's probably my favorite part of this, is how much of a chump Mueller is.
Stone was the easiest conviction he had.
And that was ripped away from him.
dan friesen
They got it.
jordan holmes
Mueller is the worst.
He has failed in every possible way.
dan friesen
It's hilarious to me.
I'm not...
Standing up for him or anything like that.
But I am going to say that he did everything he could.
jordan holmes
Oh, did he?
dan friesen
Well, in terms of Roger, they got the conviction.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
They got the conviction.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, you're right.
You're right in terms of Roger.
dan friesen
That's not on him.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
But that's why it's even funnier.
Because Trump made him look like a chump again.
It's pathetic.
He should really be embarrassed.
dan friesen
So, the larger thing that I think here is that if Alex knew that Trump was going to pardon Roger for the last week, what's his excuse for engaging in the absurd and embarrassing radio play about how Roger's going to die in jail because he's such a hero?
You know, all that shit.
If the whole point was to plead his case to Trump for the pardon and you already knew it was coming, that kind of makes the whole thing seem like an act.
Almost like if you were just building up to the payoff that you knew was coming.
What better way to heighten the drama of a pardon than to pretend it might not come?
Just to juice the ratings.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
If Alex knew for a week, then there's no other explanation for his behavior than trying to will they won't they.
Trying to increase drama and tension in order to raise ratings.
That's indefensible.
jordan holmes
How many people are going to tune in to all of those different shows that Stone was just on that he just happened to start going on really frequently in the past couple of weeks?
And everybody's going to tune in.
Is tonight the night that Stone announces he's been pardoned?
Well, you know.
dan friesen
I think you know.
Good for him.
So, in this next clip, Owen, he starts talking some more about his enemies.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Imagined enemies.
dan friesen
Well, Alex believes that all these people who are out protesting, they're enemies.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Owen has a slightly different stance on it that I actually think is worse.
owen shroyer
It's weird because you can say there's enemies of freedom, but that's not...
To me, the correct psychological approach.
Because I don't sit here and see them as my enemy.
I don't see them as an enemy of freedom.
I think if you ask them, they want to be free too, just like anybody else.
But what they've become unwittingly is obstacles of freedom.
They've become obstacles of freedom.
And as soon as Americans in mass are willing to fight for their freedom, like you said, Alex, it's a trap.
You're now an obstacle.
You're going to get run over.
Use the cars running these people over in the streets as a physical example.
Now, and Alex, we were talking off air.
The problem is, they've got the whole left-wing activists in control of all the justice.
You know, 10,000 people can be surrounding your vehicle, threatening to kill you, smashing the windows and everything, and if you plow through it, you're the bad guy.
alex jones
That's right.
They got the corporations, they got the judges, they got the media.
Now, all over the place, Black Lives Matter can beat people up, kill them, but if somebody fights back now, they're being charged everywhere.
dan friesen
So, that's a very interesting way for Owen to dehumanize his opposition and take away any reason to care about what they say, what their positions are, or even pretend that they have any agency.
They aren't enemies who have political goals or points.
They're merely obstacles.
The two sides that exist in this narrative are Alex and his team, who are supposedly the good guys.
Then there are the globalists, who are the bad guys.
Everyone who doesn't agree with Alex, like, let's say, someone who might demonstrate for reproductive rights or protest against ICE, they aren't people with real positions or thought-out convictions.
They're just zombies who've been brainwashed by the globalists, and they're not the enemy.
They're just obstacles to be run over.
jordan holmes
All they are is in the way.
dan friesen
Yep.
The InfoWarriors are the only people who actually are on a path that involves making choices or having agency, which naturally leads to some pretty sickening conclusions.
This is the same mentality that Alex expresses all the time when he talks about how killing a globalist is like killing a bug.
You don't want to do it, but sometimes you have to.
That kind of rhetoric, and the sort of thing that Owen is expressing here, are means of giving tacit permission to enact violence on your political enemies by reducing them to being human obstacles.
Recently, USA Today reported that since May 27th, there have been at least 66 instances of protesters being hit by cars.
Undoubtedly, not all of these were cold-blooded attempted murders, but at least some of them definitely were.
Seven of the incidents were police hitting protesters in just over a month.
You know, that's a short period of time.
At least two of these people have been killed and countless others have been hurt and traumatized by these events.
This is not something that deserves to be mocked, even if you disagree with the politics of the people who are being targeted by these attacks.
unidentified
this.
dan friesen
I wholeheartedly despise Trump and his dumb rallies, but if there had been 66 instances of Trump supporters being hit by cars at his rallies since May 27th, I would absolutely show some reverence to the subject and entertain the possibility that something had gone wrong with the opposition to Trump.
The messaging of that movement if people thought that running civilians over with cars was an appropriate way to voice your political opposition.
And Alex and Owen can sit here and play the game where they pretend that these people are all just looters and rioters who are threatening the people in the cars who hit them in self-defense, but even they know that's bullshit.
On some level, these dudes know that what they're doing is trying to help normalize the enacting of lethal violence against their political rivals.
And that's why Alex talks about helicopter rides.
That's why he talks about how his listeners can be instruments of God's vengeance.
There's a concerted effort of dehumanization of political enemies and of normalizing the conversation of enacting violence on this show to a level that I'm consistently uncomfortable with.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was...
If Schroyer and I are drunk in a bar and he says that, that's when you take a swing at somebody, you know?
It's just like, look, no.
No.
dan friesen
No.
Those are fighting words?
jordan holmes
Done.
I'm out.
I'm out.
However, I'll leave.
You'll leave.
This is fucked.
This is too fucked.
That's just too fucked.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a mess.
jordan holmes
Yikes.
dan friesen
So, Owen starts talking about how these people in the New York Police Department, the detectives, what they need to do is they need to release all the dirt that they actually have on Hillary and all this evidence that she chopped up babies and stuff.
jordan holmes
Cool.
Go for it.
dan friesen
Now, that part, I mean, whatever.
I don't care about what Owen's saying, but I think this is the first instance where I think Alex is drunk.
I think he might have gotten drunk in the middle of this show.
jordan holmes
You think he might have kicked it up a notch?
dan friesen
Yeah.
owen shroyer
I really think that the New York cops and the New York FBI that are good people but are actually going through the process of this, it's time to just release it.
It's time to release the...
alex jones
That's right.
No more weight around.
The gloves are off.
They broke all the rules.
Just burn them.
unidentified
Burn them.
alex jones
Burn!
We've made a step.
We're totally attacking.
jordan holmes
Burn!
unidentified
Attack!
jordan holmes
Catch it!
alex jones
Yeah!
owen shroyer
Whether America can handle it or not, there's only one way to find out.
alex jones
Yeah, let's just get it going here.
dan friesen
There is a real change in his dynamic, and part of it could just be trying to do a bro down with Owen.
It's tough to tell, but I also heard some clinking noises that sounded like, eh, who knows, could be a coffee mug.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
He strikes me as possibly drunk at this point.
And that's only furthered by, or my suspicions are only furthered by the fact that he does a Jeff Foxworthy.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
Are they a Democrat?
You ever heard, like, might be a redneck if you do this.
Might be a redneck.
Might be a pedophile if you're a Democrat.
Sorry, go ahead.
dan friesen
So, anyway.
jordan holmes
You guys are great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Have you heard of this?
Have you heard of this?
You might be a redneck.
Have you heard of this overdone joke structure that has permeated all of, not just America, but the world?
dan friesen
I really think Alex listens to our show, too.
Did we do that recently?
You might be in a tyranny.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, that's right.
dan friesen
A couple episodes back.
Makes me think he's probably listening.
jordan holmes
Oh, that son of a bitch.
dan friesen
Maybe not.
So, Alex gets to talking about the 7277, memorandum 7277.
jordan holmes
Yes, yes, yes.
dan friesen
The thing that was about disarming the Soviet Union and the United States during the Cold War to avoid a nuclear war that Alex believes is about actually taking his gun away, which it's not, and it never was.
jordan holmes
Well, 7 plus 2 is 9. 9 plus 14. That's 666.
dan friesen
Yep.
Yep.
Well, I stand corrected.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex talks about this a little bit, and we know that he knows that it's on the CIA's website, and we've talked about that in the past.
I can't even explain this ahead of time, but this was one of the more disturbing clips I've heard.
Not because he's saying anything fucked up, but just because...
The amount of stupid he has to be if he actually thinks this is out of control.
alex jones
I've been studying the United Nations, who set it up, how it operates for a long time, and a lot of you have as well.
And they tried to launch plans back in the 60s to disarm the military and the police and then only have a UN force around the world.
And a lot of people ended up, you know, in the government, quietly having to be gotten rid of to stop that at that point.
And you go to the CIA website.
And look up State Department memorandum 7277.
If you type in State Department memorandum 7277, you'll notice it'll pop up on Wikipedia and places like that.
You can actually go to the CIA has got a flyer from 1963 about FBI agents and CIA operatives that were creating a newsletter called On Target about a list of people in the government that they were planning to kill.
If they continue to go along with the plan.
So the government knows all about this ongoing battle.
dan friesen
So we've talked a ton about Memorandum 7277 in the past, so there's no need to rehash that.
We've also talked about this page on CIA.gov that Alex has found about the memo and how it's not a CIA product.
It's the copy of a newsletter called On Target, which was produced by the Minutemen.
This is intensely disturbing to hear Alex say that the operatives for the CIA and FBI were creating OnTarget, because that's not true.
It was the publication of a violent, aggressively anti-communist militia group.
The Minutemen were an organization out of my home state of Missouri, founded by a real dickhead named Robert DePue.
He also was the person who wrote the OnTarget newsletter.
After gaining financial stability by inventing a dog vitamin, DePue lost his shit in the early days of the Red Scare Cold War paranoia.
He set up shop in Norborn, Missouri, and started putting out his newsletters, hoping to find like-minded patriots.
He gained a small following, who he trained in paramilitary tactics.
He constantly exaggerated the size of his movement, which was then repeated by people in the media, which lent his group an outsized sense of relevance than it probably deserved.
When you're a lone anti-communist wacko, it's all good and well for you to accuse everyone of being a communist and then say they deserve to be killed or whatever.
When you start to create an image of holding sway over a large following and you're also building weapons caches and doing military training...
And you're going to attract law enforcement attention with that kind of behavior.
jordan holmes
Sooner or later, you would hope, yeah.
dan friesen
Depew was not a mastermind, and thus the FBI was able to infiltrate his group and found that he had a bunch of illegal weapons hidden in various spots for a war that was coming against the communists.
jordan holmes
Hi, Mr. Depew.
I am John T. Minutemen.
I was wondering, where do you keep your weapons caches?
unidentified
Oh, right over here.
jordan holmes
Oh, right over there?
unidentified
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
Oh, damn it.
dan friesen
He was convicted in 1967 of National Firearms Act violations, but fled before being sent to jail.
After two years, he was captured and sent to prison for four years.
According to the Columbia Daily Tribune, In 1991, he was arrested on child pornography charges that stemmed from an alleged modeling shoot he had with a teenage girl, but he was not convicted.
Just to let you know, he would have been 68 at that point, and not a photographer.
Another thing about Robert Depew is that he was big on naming names, or as some might put it, making kill lists.
This was part of the reason that that issue of On Target is part of the documents included in the CIA reading room, because they had it on file as a part of monitoring his activities, because he was making hit lists of politicians and private individuals that he had decided were communists, and he was publishing their names and addresses.
The subtitle of this newsletter is, quote, Words Won't Win, Action Will.
The thing that's particularly disturbing to me is that I think from the way Alex is talking, it sounds like he legitimately thinks that this document was made by good guys in the government who are trying to warn the patriots about globalists and their rank.
That's really fucked up, because that's not what this is at all.
And if Alex knew anything about the subject he talks about, it's every reason to know that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Wow.
That this basically doxing kill list that was put out by an anti-communist militia leader in 1963 is the good guys in the government telling all these people about who the globalists are.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Well, I mean, Order 66 was the good guys in the government getting rid of all those globalist fucking Jedi.
dan friesen
See?
My mind had a hard time processing that clip.
Alex saying that that is all...
Because here's what I think.
I think that Alex doesn't understand why that document would be on the CIA's reading room if it wasn't created by...
It has to have been created by the CIA.
jordan holmes
That's really...
That's a good point.
dan friesen
I think that's why Alex thinks it was CIA instead of it being part of a dossier that they put together because they were observing him because he was a dangerous dude.
jordan holmes
Yeah, see, that didn't occur to me because it's too stupid to believe that.
It's too stupid.
dan friesen
That's what I was saying before the clip.
The stupidness that this implies...
jordan holmes
That's insane.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's beyond.
dan friesen
Now the other possibility that I run into when I think about this is that Alex knows that it was a crazy militia leader guy.
jordan holmes
And he's like trying to re-up the image.
dan friesen
Or trying to sugarcoat it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
A little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Because he's a secret good guy in the government.
dan friesen
He's not, though.
jordan holmes
No.
No, no, no.
Although, you know what his problem was?
If he'd come around like 40, 50 years later, he's got Duck Dynasty on A&E.
You know, he invented the dog pill or whatever it is.
dan friesen
He left the veterinary arts.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because...
jordan holmes
Give him a reality TV show.
dan friesen
So, this gets messy.
The 10th.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex has Dan Lyman from Europe Wars.
He's visiting the studio, and that has allowed me to get another great clip.
alex jones
Dan, is there a war on Western civilization?
dan friesen
No, there's not.
But he has Dan Lyman in, and they're supposedly supposed to be talking about how there's going to be a lot of migrants in Europe.
You know, they're anti-migrant, anti-immigrant rhetoric.
jordan holmes
Gotta do it.
Hate the non-whites.
dan friesen
Gets very much into the ADL.
jordan holmes
Oh!
dan friesen
It's weird.
There is a preoccupation with the ADL surrounding the...
It's supposed to just be about how there's going to be a lot of migrants coming into countries.
jordan holmes
Sure, boilerplate stuff.
dan friesen
It's what you expect from these sort of xenophobic dicks.
It's almost entirely complaining about the ADL in ways that are very uncomfortable.
And Alex insists...
Oh, God.
I don't even know how to set this up.
alex jones
So I don't think the ADL represents Jews.
There are a lot of good Jews.
I've had Jews help me out with things.
A band-out video was designed by a guy from Israel.
Great guy.
He didn't like us being censored.
Helped us build it.
And then it was like, here, it's done.
Have it.
I mean, there's so many examples.
I'm not going to have the ADL trick me into hating Jews because they make money off that.
unidentified
Whoa.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
Oh, boy.
So, that's interesting.
Alex refuses to...
Okay.
I don't even care to unpack this.
Because they start talking, and I immediately start to understand why this is happening in the middle of their conversation about migrants.
jordan holmes
Because Nazis won World War II?
alex jones
Let's continue here.
Let me give people a little preview of what's coming up.
Macron, enabler of the Carnegie Plan.
200 million Africans will live in Europe after 30 years of migration.
dan friesen
This is the connective tissue.
The belief of the anti-Semitic conspiracy theory about the clergy plan is about a rich cabal of Jews that want to replace white men and white people with non-white people from foreign countries.
That is the immigration angle that's being discussed here.
And that's why there is so much anger at the ADL that's being mixed in here.
Because their view of immigration is an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.
That all traces back to basically this Kalergi plan stuff.
jordan holmes
But they gotta, you know, they gotta update it.
But they still don't want to lose the, you know, the plan was still, the Kalergi plan is still a good propaganda tool.
We just can't all hate Jews all the time now.
We gotta update it.
It's so, the guy who sets up my website, cool Jew.
dan friesen
That was a bad performance.
So that's the sort of stuff that's going on on the day that Roger gets clemency.
jordan holmes
Great day.
Really got it out there.
dan friesen
So we come back on Saturday now.
I think Alex was drunk that night.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I think he kept drinking probably.
jordan holmes
Kept it going.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
A nice little fun time.
dan friesen
I would assume so.
Maybe that's why he wasn't able to get something out on Friday night.
jordan holmes
Yeah, could be.
dan friesen
So we get to Saturday and Alex puts out this emergency broadcast.
alex jones
Welcome.
Thank you so much for joining us on this Saturday, July 11th, Emergency Global Afternoon Transmission.
We're sending this out on all the radio and TV affiliates and the feeds at band.video.
dan friesen
I fucking love the idea that he's like, oh, we cut in on the...
jordan holmes
We cut in on our regularly scheduled not broadcasting, too.
dan friesen
All the radio stations around the country that air my show, I can just hit a button and we override them like the national weather alert system.
Yeah, Alex has that button.
Oh, man.
Yeah, right.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Has that power.
dan friesen
So, I mean, hey, here we are, and I gotta say, Saturday, Roger just got clemency.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
What do you expect?
jordan holmes
You gotta dance.
You gotta dance.
You gotta dance and you gotta tell me that this is complete vindication.
And the only reason that he didn't get a full pardon is so he can challenge the conviction in court.
dan friesen
Right.
Roger has said that in other venues.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I'm talking more concretely.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
From a show standpoint, what do you expect to be on this episode?
jordan holmes
Roger Stone.
dan friesen
That's interesting.
Now, here's who Alex's first guest is.
alex jones
Coming up.
In this hour-plus long transmission, we're scheduled to have ManCal Muller, who's spent the last long-time friend of mine, syndicated talk show, last week with Roger, to give him support.
A lot of exclusive videos, interviews with Roger.
We're going to premiere.
ManCal's already sent those to me, but we're going to get him on the Skype or the Zoom here in a few minutes.
dan friesen
So we got Man Cow.
jordan holmes
We don't even get a real Roger Stone?
dan friesen
I don't know.
All we know right now is that we got Man Cow.
jordan holmes
We get recordings of Roger Stone?
dan friesen
Man Cow is friends with Roger.
He went and spent some time with him while he was under house arrest.
jordan holmes
Of course, of course.
dan friesen
And apparently he made some recordings of Roger.
jordan holmes
Oh, great, great.
dan friesen
So that's our first guest.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But I'm like, hey, you can have Man Cow and Roger both on.
jordan holmes
No, you can't.
dan friesen
Well, Alex does have another guest.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Then Roger's longtime personal lawyer, Tyler Nixon, who's...
Not been the lawyer on the case.
He's able to speak about it because he's been both on the inside and the outside.
He's scheduled to be joining us via Skype.
That's coming up.
dan friesen
Roger is not on.
jordan holmes
We have...
Alex got local news level accent.
We've got the neighbor of the best friend of Roger Stone over here to give us some information.
dan friesen
Yeah, that to me, when I looked at that, I was like...
What the fuck?
The bare minimum is Roger gives you a call.
jordan holmes
Just an appearance.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And he didn't get an appearance?
dan friesen
That's shocking.
jordan holmes
Oh man, that's the end.
dan friesen
But there's bigger plans on this Saturday broadcast.
alex jones
And then after he leaves us, I've never had my phones or my email blown off the wall like this.
I've had neighbors coming over to my house this morning saying, Wayfarer, Wayfarer, Wayfarer, Wayfarer, Wayfarer.
I got home last night.
After working until like 6 o 'clock, there were all these text messages, and I saw comments on M4s, Wayfair, Wayfair.
Is it true that Wayfair, this online shopping system, was putting out ads for selling children's in armoires?
dan friesen
Well, I guess we'll have to listen to find out.
jordan holmes
All right, now let me ask you a real quick question.
Why is this emergency broadcast happening?
dan friesen
Roger got clemency.
jordan holmes
All right, so, so far, you have told me there is no Roger.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
And Alex is talking about Wayfair.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
I'm not surprised.
I want to be more surprised.
I'm disappointed, of course.
I'm very disappointed.
dan friesen
I was tickled.
jordan holmes
But this is exactly what should be happening.
dan friesen
To be honest, I was tickled.
I was like, yeah, you know what?
unidentified
It would have been gauche to just have Roger come in.
jordan holmes
I just love, I can't begin to stress how much I love it whenever Wonks on Twitter or something are like, oh, I can't wait to see what Alex says to this because in my head, all I see, all I hear is just like...
You're looking forward to being disappointed, I guess.
I have no idea what you think is going to happen.
dan friesen
This, to me, is exactly why you can't do an emergency episode.
You've got to wait and see.
Is Alex going to do an emergency show that mysteriously doesn't include an appearance from his best friend, Roger?
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
Weird.
Yeah, he has to just pick up scraps.
jordan holmes
Wow.
alex jones
But I was thinking, you know, Roger's not ready to come on the show until tomorrow on the Sunday broadcast.
He's promised me one of the first interviews.
I know he was up late last night drinking with Man Cow Muller, another one of my longtime friends, and I thought, wait a minute.
Man Cow is still in Florida.
If he's up, I'll call him and get him on the show.
So he and his wife are literally checking out with their children out of the hotel room right now.
They've got no late checkouts.
We've got a quick pop-in from him.
jordan holmes
Scraps.
So his argument is basically Stone is too hungover to go on the show.
dan friesen
I mean, that's the most generous version of this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
Either that or Stone is still drinking.
dan friesen
I mean, at some point later, Alex does say that Roger wasn't answering his calls.
So it might just be he's too busy with people who...
jordan holmes
Matter?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Man Cow comes in.
And normally...
jordan holmes
Man Cow.
Cow.
dan friesen
I am not a fan of Man Cow.
My old friend.
jordan holmes
Yes, yes, yes.
dan friesen
It should be.
I famously was a guest on Mancow's show many years back, back when I was doing stand-up.
It was an accident.
I don't know why I was there.
It was one of the more miserable times I've ever had in my life.
jordan holmes
Druffke did it on purpose.
dan friesen
I think he's a horrible person.
jordan holmes
Oh man, he's a piece of shit.
dan friesen
He's tough to work with, I will say, in a radio setting.
I generally don't care much for his appearances, but this one is kind of funny a little bit because Mancow knows the social dynamic.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He just left hanging out with Roger.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And Alex is doing a special broadcast about Roger that Roger won't show up on.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The status imbalance is gigantic.
jordan holmes
Astronomical.
dan friesen
Man cow is the king.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex is nothing.
jordan holmes
In the pathetic world that they all live in.
dan friesen
And if you're a man cow, you've got to take that opportunity.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
You've got to feel good.
jordan holmes
Waggle a little bit.
dan friesen
So he fucks with Alex a little bit.
jordan holmes
Of course.
mancow
I want to tell you, first of all, Alex.
unidentified
And you're not going to like this.
Everybody I talk to, you're next.
You're next, man.
This government does not like you talking.
I'm not talking about Trump.
I'm talking about the deep state.
Boy, do they hate Alex Jones.
And I'll tell you, I'll be there with you.
The Patriots got to stand up.
Does this bother you, what I'm saying, Alex?
Or you already know it.
alex jones
Oh, I know it, my friend.
I know it.
What are you hearing?
I don't want to make this about me, but what are you hearing?
mancow
No, it's just anyone that's a patriot, anyone that believes in God, anyone that believes in the Constitution, you know silly things like this, they're going to get you.
dan friesen
Oh, so you haven't heard anything.
You're just talking shit.
jordan holmes
That's pretty solid fucking with Alex.
You know he's going to believe you when you say that shit, so you might as well draw it out.
The dead silence from Alex, too, is like...
Do you know something I don't know?
And Mancow clearly knowing he's full of shit about this?
Fantastic.
dan friesen
It's one of the rare instances, too, where that silence wasn't Alex eating, I don't think.
unidentified
Uh-uh.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Alex is hanging on every word.
Oh, you idiot.
dan friesen
So, Mancow cannot stop taking every opportunity to be all about, like, I'm in the middle of this.
I was just hanging out with Roger.
jordan holmes
What a dick.
mancow
I talked to someone last night, Alex, again.
unidentified
Everybody was calling in there.
And we're talking political talking heads and famous people.
alex jones
No, I know.
I should have thought to call you.
jordan holmes
Not you, Alex.
alex jones
He wrote his house for dinner.
I just went ahead and hung out with the kids, but yeah.
mancow
I was monopolizing his time, but...
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
You know, when somebody's a consummate dick, 99% of the time, you absolutely hate them.
dan friesen
Oh, totally.
jordan holmes
But when they use those powers on another consummate dick, it's fantastic.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's...
It's behavior that can become humorous when you don't care about the recipient of the behavior.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, man-cow's got some sources within the old government.
Right?
So, Mankow's sources say that Trump is beginning to crack under pressure.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Alex cannot allow that.
jordan holmes
Can't hang.
dan friesen
No.
But Mankow also is very high status.
unidentified
So it's finally getting to him that, my God, they just don't stop.
They're going after his little kids.
They're going after, and they just, God, stop!
And it's finally getting to him, according to three really good sources.
And one major, major source said...
He's losing it.
alex jones
Man, Cal, that's what I started this special transmission with today, is that there's a stack of news articles, Washington Post, Council on Foreign Relations, all of them saying, we're preparing the military to remove him under the 25th Amendment.
And so they're putting those talking points out that Trump is cracking, and I think a lot of that is hype.
I'm not saying the people around you are wrong, but regardless, this is, as Trump says, if they get through me, they're going to get you.
They're not after me, they're after you.
And so we've got to support the president.
I think I'm going to get on a plane and go to D.C. or to Florida and bullhorn the president's compound again to let him know that we support him.
You're right.
He's all about shiny object.
He is a good American patron.
We've got to let him know we back him right now.
unidentified
I was at Mar-a-Lago yesterday.
I was at Mar-a-Lago yesterday.
dan friesen
Cannot resist what-upping him.
Just like, I think I'm gonna get on a plane and bowl.
Oh, I was at Mar-a-Lago yesterday.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's good.
That's good stuff.
Oh, man cow.
What a prick.
dan friesen
Yeah, unbelievable.
unidentified
That's such an asshole thing to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, in this next clip, Mancow's joking around.
Apparently, Roger Stone may have said that Mancow is Q or something.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I'm not entirely sure.
I'm not sure what he's referencing.
jordan holmes
They have a great time.
dan friesen
But this is really fun because Alex has no idea what Mancow is talking about.
This is very confusing.
unidentified
Did you see that Roger Stone revealed who Q was?
alex jones
Yes.
Tell folks.
unidentified
He said it was me.
So the next time I come...
I'm not Q. But the next time I come on, you and I have some serious stuff to talk about.
I love you, brother.
alex jones
Well, I mean, being in the middle of Roger Stone the last week, you are Q. I mean, we know who started the whole Q thing.
dan friesen
That was very weird.
jordan holmes
The right is too good at comedy, Dan.
dan friesen
The weird part is when Mancow says, Roger said who Q is, do you know this?
And Alex says, yes.
When it's clearly something he has no idea of what the fuck Mancow is talking about.
Anyway, I think that Mancow might be a little bit of a Q guy.
unidentified
You know about the secret messages?
alex jones
Yes.
unidentified
Look it up, folks.
Did you hear about Wayfair and all the kids?
mancow
Do you know about all the pedophiles that this president is busting up while they keep trying to tie him to Epstein?
unidentified
He's the president that ended Epstein.
A lot more coming, folks.
Stay strong, Alex.
dan friesen
So, I think that the secret codes and the Wayfair pushing, I think he might be a cute guy.
Hard to say exactly, but I think so.
Wow.
Anyway, in this next clip, Mancow says something that's directly in opposition to what Alex believes.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We know that Alex has had private, personal conversations with Joe Rogan about how once he gets free and gets on Spotify, he'll be away from YouTube and he'll be able to attack the left.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
That's when he'll get to it.
dan friesen
Now, granted, Joe Rogan has come out and said that that's complete nonsense and Alex is making all that up.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Now.
Eric Mancow Muller has a little bit of a different take on this and believes that Joe Rogan sold out.
unidentified
Do you realize?
You and I have talked about this.
Do you realize?
mancow
I mean, we know somebody who just got a big podcast deal by selling out.
unidentified
You and I won't sell out.
And it's cost us millions.
And folks don't understand.
Oh, Alex Jones, that Mancow.
Yeah, man.
If we wanted to be ass kisses, if we wanted to be owned, God, could we be rich, huh?
But I don't care.
We're going to go down and fight.
We may just save this great country.
alex jones
Well, my friend, that's what it's all about.
You were smart to take your vacation down there.
You already had it planned.
dan friesen
So, yeah, you were smart to be able to hang out with Roger, I guess, when he's under hazardous.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, yeah, Joe Rogan is apparently a sellout, according to Mancow.
And he said that he and Alex had talked about this.
jordan holmes
Noted, not a sellout, Mancow.
dan friesen
Sure.
I mean...
I will say that the time that I was a guest on his show, I felt like he was really straight up.
jordan holmes
He was very straight up.
dan friesen
Very authentic.
jordan holmes
He was focused on the issues.
dan friesen
Yes, very much so.
So Man Cow's interview ends.
Tyler Nixon's interview is so pointless that I didn't even cut clips of it.
jordan holmes
Why is Tyler Nixon on this broadcast?
dan friesen
Because he's someone in the proximity of Roger Stone and Alex couldn't get Roger.
jordan holmes
I know, but you don't even do it if you can't get Roger.
dan friesen
I would suggest that that is what you should have done.
jordan holmes
You don't do it.
dan friesen
Well, I think that, you know, you kind of got to make lemons.
Lemonade.
He was like, yeah, I could talk about Wayfair.
It seems to be a hot topic.
Maybe we could drive some traffic.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
I know.
But, I mean, it just makes you look really weak and sad.
dan friesen
Well, you can still get eyes on this thing because you do have an association with Rogers.
There's an expectation that you would have something going on.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
You got Man Cow.
He's kind of a star.
You get to talk about Wayfair.
Maybe you could do some ads.
Make a little money.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I guess.
dan friesen
It's that or stay at home on a Saturday.
jordan holmes
Not long-term thinking.
dan friesen
Well, anyway, Alex is really mad because it turns out that some of the people who supply the things that go into his dumb pills maybe aren't going to be able to supply him anymore.
alex jones
We have quite a few products we can't even get anymore.
People are like, where's my favorite product?
Where's this one?
They were good sellers.
We can't get them!
It's shutting down!
My God!
Excuse me, I'm getting pissed now.
You know, you already know what's going on with the COVID stuff, and I promised the family I'd get back by, you know, four or five today, so let's just, I gotta do this.
Let's do the COVID, then I'll come back into the Wayfair, which I know I'm right about it, and people are gonna get pissed at me, and I just, I don't care.
I'm gonna tell you the truth.
dan friesen
So, we know that he's gonna tell the truth about this, the Wayfair situation.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
Which is that it was a...
dan friesen
Well, so the conspiracy that's going around on QAnon and on the internet is that there are some suspiciously high-priced cabinets that have the names of people.
They have people names.
And so these folks online have decided that they must be selling children in those cabinets.
And they have no evidence of this and it's a lot of bullshit.
jordan holmes
Now, a very serious question here.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
They think that because they believe that is a smart idea?
dan friesen
They think that because they're confused about why the price is so high.
That's as best I can tell.
jordan holmes
No, I know, but you ascribe to your enemy some sort of competence, so they think that it would be a smart idea if you were one of these people selling children.
dan friesen
I think that a lot of people get their ideas and thinking poisoned by the concept of hiding in plain sight.
You get that into your head, and you start to think, oh, it would be the perfect place to do it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
No one would buy a $12,000 thing, so if you did, obviously you would be the person who knows to look for the child there.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a bit.
They're great.
Yeah.
So Alex knows the truth about it, and he's, you know, a lot of people want to know what's up.
alex jones
And we are back on this Saturday afternoon emergency transmission.
jordan holmes
Without Roger Stone.
alex jones
And I have never had...
So many people reaching out to me, friends, family, neighbors, emails, text messages, comments on Infowars, wanting to know about Wayfair.
And I know Army commandos and CIA operatives and FBI agents that have been contacting me and others who think this is real.
Uh-oh.
jordan holmes
They should be fired.
alex jones
How incredibly, obviously weird it is.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
It's very weird, and that's the threshold of proof for a lot of people that Alex associates with.
unidentified
That's all you need.
jordan holmes
That's all you need.
dan friesen
Cool.
So, Alex begins...
He already said that he knows the truth about this.
jordan holmes
Yes, we've revealed it, which is...
dan friesen
Well, he knows the truth.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
That's important.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Because he now says he doesn't know what's up.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Now, that said, I'm not sure exactly what's going on here.
But I have a pretty good idea.
This is one of three things.
dan friesen
So, there's three possibilities.
jordan holmes
But you can't...
dan friesen
He knows the truth.
jordan holmes
He knows the truth.
dan friesen
He doesn't know what's up.
But it's one of these three things.
jordan holmes
Why don't words mean things anymore?
I used to like words.
dan friesen
Here are the three possibilities.
Here's the first one.
alex jones
Either it's a money laundering operation, and so they had these numbers, and what would be in the cabinet would be drugs or something, or you're paying more for something because you're using drug money to pay for it.
That goes on all over the place.
Online, it's happening every millisecond.
Okay?
Where you've got a $100 cabinet, a $200 cabinet.
I've actually bought cabinets like these.
That you add a couple zeros to or whatever, and now it is $12,000, $13,000, $14,000.
dan friesen
Is Alex implying that he's laundered money?
jordan holmes
He's bought $12,000, $13,000 cabinets?
dan friesen
To launder money?
jordan holmes
To launder money?
dan friesen
Seems weird.
He should have phrased that better.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Sounds suspicious.
So that's the first option.
Sure.
Here's the second.
alex jones
So it's either money laundering, or it is the big mistake they said, and some fool added zeros to it.
dan friesen
That's not what they said.
That's the second option.
So maybe I just added zeros.
jordan holmes
Okay, so massive conspiracy to launder money.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Could be an oopsie.
dan friesen
Could be.
Option three.
alex jones
Or is it really that they're advertising this as a package, a container, symbolizing they're going to deliver you a child drugged up in one of these cabins?
I said there's three things.
Because that's the three things people are going to debate and say.
dan friesen
So, these are the three options.
What do you think he's going to go with?
Money laundering?
Big old oopsie?
Selling kids in cabinets?
jordan holmes
I'm going to have to go with he's going to say this is the big one and we've caught him.
dan friesen
That's an interesting possibility, but unfortunately it's a trick question.
alex jones
But there's a fourth.
jordan holmes
God damn it!
I said there was a fourth!
Okay.
Alright.
unidentified
Fine.
alex jones
Think about that.
jordan holmes
No, I refuse.
alex jones
And you see, I've experienced the fourth.
unidentified
Yes, you have.
alex jones
And so I believe this is the fourth from all the evidence and how outrageous it is and how obvious it is and how it's designed and meant.
Like when you put a big old juicy nightcrawler worm on the end of a hook and drop it in there for the bass or the perch or the crappie.
jordan holmes
False flag.
alex jones
Because it smells good, it's wiggling around, they're going to want to take a bite out of it.
dan friesen
Yeah, so the fourth option is it's a trap.
jordan holmes
It's a false flag.
dan friesen
Yeah, the globalists have created this in order for conspiracy theorists or whatever to find and amplify as a trap in order to invalidate other stories about crimes against children.
I mean, whatever.
This is ludicrous.
jordan holmes
I feel really frustrated with that thought process.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, it's frustrating.
jordan holmes
Because if you think that that's what it...
Okay.
Here's what the globalists need to trap you.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Nothing.
dan friesen
Hmm.
jordan holmes
You're saying to all of your conspiracy laden friends...
That the globalists don't even need to work hard to get you guys to believe stupid shit.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it was the same thing with his rationalization for the stuff about Obama's birth certificate, the birtherism.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's like the globalists put out the Kenyan birth certificate because they knew that the right wing was racist.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
They would say that he was born in Kenya, when in reality, he was the child of the communist pornographer.
unidentified
You're just admitting you're all so fucking stupid that you're willing to make conspiracy out of anything.
dan friesen
Yeah, you'll fall for anything.
You'll fall for anything.
jordan holmes
That's a huge insult, right?
dan friesen
I guess, yeah.
So Alex believes there's this fourth option, and that is this is a trap.
jordan holmes
It's a honeypot or whatever.
dan friesen
I think that he's not considering a fifth option, and that is that the people who make up the large bulk of his audience are not very good at discerning information.
Not good at critical thinking, and they're going to Pizzagate all over again.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
alex jones
When you look at this, It's not just that they added zeros to it.
It's not money laundering, it looks like, because it's the names of girls.
And it's not like they have three cabinets or 20 cabinets.
It's all these products named after little girls, and a bunch of them are really weird names that are actual missing kidnapped children on the backs of milk cartons and in your internet warnings.
Now, why in the hell would they put out ads?
To really deliver you children in cabinets and then put the actual names of kids on this.
This is one thing and one thing only.
dan friesen
I do...
Conditionally admire Alex saying, why would they do this?
At least even Alex can be like, this is stupid.
jordan holmes
Unacceptable.
Unacceptable to me.
Unacceptable to me.
The moment you add in the fact that you can think to yourself, this would be a dumb thing for someone to do.
But it's all invalid.
dan friesen
But honestly, it's only because Alex got embarrassed so badly with Pizzagate.
That's the only reason that he's behaving like this.
jordan holmes
Well, see, now you're adding in that he can learn?
That's really bummer, too.
dan friesen
Wow, but that's just because it was dangerous.
That guy showed up with a gun there.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And if he did this stuff again, that's too traceable.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He needs to be on the right side of this in case it does break that direction.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He knows that, and that's why this whole conversation largely is like, hey, remember what happened with Pizzagate?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And then him trying to pretend he didn't behave.
jordan holmes
He never had anything to do with it.
alex jones
You remember all of this.
It was...
Top story on Drudge, top story all over the place.
Now, this broke for about a week or two, and then suddenly, out of the Podestas and out of the Democratic Party, CNN, the New York Times, the Washington Post, all the same morning, came out and said, wow, bizarre claims that a pizza place has a dungeon under it.
And that they're killing kids and selling them, and they've got all these things out that look pedophilic.
And look at these other businesses they do as well, and it turned out some of the stuff was really creepy and weird.
dan friesen
And then we had Jack Posobiec interviewed about how creepy it was there, and we covered this a bunch, and they told people they needed to check it out, and it's really suspicious.
We've got to check out their menu.
jordan holmes
It's fucking crazy.
dan friesen
I'm going to get on a plane and go to D.C. myself to check this out.
jordan holmes
You can't prove that I said that.
There's no person who has recordings of those things.
dan friesen
Right.
Alex has tried to delete them from the internet, but they're still there.
Obviously, the argument that he's trying to make is that the Podesta emails and all these WikiLeaks things came out and they had a real code about trafficking people.
And then the whole thing with Pizzagate ended up just being a distraction from the real things.
And now that Ghislaine Maxwell, who he still hasn't figured out how to pronounce her name, has been arrested.
This is in order to cover up that.
As opposed to possibly just mass delusions.
People who feed into each other's internet behaviors, they go on these vicarious hunts where they think that they're doing something.
unidentified
They're sleuths.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
I think that that's a much easier explanation, because that's exactly what happened with Pizzagate.
I watched Pizzagate happen in real time.
I was on those Reddit conspiracy boards where people were...
Like, coming up with new pieces of information, and then some of it gets rejected, some of it, like, people explore more, and then, like, a couple days later, someone's like, remember three days ago someone said this, and we ignored it, and then they'll bring it back in.
Like, I watched that happen in real time.
This is a game, man.
Right, but the thing with Wayfair, that stuff happened much quicker.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That broke...
jordan holmes
Well, we're primed for it now, you know.
We've all got the playbook at our fingertips.
dan friesen
And there are enough people who have such low standards for bringing things to the public's attention in QAnon accounts that can amplify things really effectively that you can go from nothing to, oh god, so fast.
So fast.
Now, here's what's really funny.
jordan holmes
Roger Stone isn't on this show?
dan friesen
That is pretty funny.
jordan holmes
That's very funny.
dan friesen
Alex wants you to believe that he did nothing with Pizzagate, and he knew it looked bad from the beginning.
jordan holmes
He was so smart.
dan friesen
And so in this next clip, he throws his staff under the bus.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
That's what you get for not getting the Skype calls right!
You're Pizzagate!
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's like, they did that.
And then...
He alleges, with no proof, that CNN people were the ones who were posting this stuff on Fortune in order to get Pizzagate going in the first place.
alex jones
So I'm sitting there, and I say, I'm going on vacation for a week to Cancun.
Stop covering it.
I smell a rat.
They're diverting us to this off of that.
They didn't stop.
I love the crew.
And that's then how the media got us and said that we created a fake story, and they used that not being accurate.
Even though we didn't create it, CNN, MSNBC, no doubt, their operatives put it on 4chan, 8chan.
That disinformation's there.
Then we cover it.
Then they flip it when we broke the big spirit cooking.
We were the first to get it out and try to post it.
jordan holmes
So you're proud.
alex jones
And they turn with alchemy.
From the real kids and the real farmhouses and the real $65,000 of hot dogs and the blood and the semen and the breast milk and the Aleister Crowley and the devil worship and all these photos and videos of little kids all scared and women dressed like witches and big vats of blood and Maria Brevanovich and her in Reddit posts saying, yeah, I do rituals for real.
And all of that got distracted by the media then focusing in on there was no basement in the pizza place.
dan friesen
Right, but you did that too.
You weren't in Cancun.
Well, maybe you were in Cancun, but you still engaged in this stuff.
You can pretend all you want, but it's nonsense.
jordan holmes
That's pathetic.
dan friesen
But because of how embarrassing that whole thing was, and how much, I guess, Alex took a hit on it, and probably felt exposed.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he must have gotten more something than we expected.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it's one of those times that he had to give a big public apology to James Oliphantus.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And so there's a decent chance that he just thought, like, fuck.
Too close.
Too close on this one.
And that might be why he learned his lesson.
But he didn't learn it all the way.
So he...
It's not just Ghislaine Maxwell getting arrested.
It's also all of these stories that he's been talking about out of Germany.
For some reference, there are two stories out of Germany that Alex has been covering.
One of them has to do with, in the past, there were homeless children who were given to foster parents who were known to be pedophiles.
This is horrifying, and the studies of it and the reporting on it is unclear the scope to which this was taking place, but it does not appear to be what you'd call a widespread.
Not that that makes it any better.
Still horrifying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no qualifications.
Fuck it.
dan friesen
And the other story is about a soldier who was arrested fairly recently, I believe at the end of last year.
An investigation surrounding him has led to the uncovering of an online child pornography sharing network that does involve some crimes against children.
And there were 30,000 leads that the police had to go on.
And so Alex has those two stories.
And I believe...
His intention is to say that this Wayfair story is trying to somehow block that.
jordan holmes
Distract from the...
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
That story.
But he's treating those two stories as kind of the same story, even though they're not the same story at all.
It's really complicated, but the way he starts talking about this stuff in this next clip really kind of brought into focus something I found really disturbing about Alex's thought patterns.
alex jones
As I went into that article earlier.
Just type in, German psychiatrist, German government gave children to pedophiles.
And of course, they first reported, oh, it was just a few thousand in one town.
Then it turned out it was a spiderweb all over the country.
See how they limited that as well.
It's dw.com as well.
Okay, just boom.
So again, ladies and gentlemen, let's put that back on screen, please.
Understand what's going on.
The week that broke, I said, watch, next week it'll break that tens of thousands of children are involved.
Exactly as I said, it broke.
Why?
I read a British psychological warfare manual that just so happened to be being sold that I bought at Barnes& Noble like 20 years ago.
They talked about their techniques after World War II in Africa, and they said, if one of our corporations kills, say, 5,000 villagers, we need to get out ahead of it and say they killed 20 and put out our fake story, so that when it comes out it's 5,000, people will average it together in their mind.
So, because the head psychiatrist over CPS in Berlin was sending thousands of children to pedophiles, they first reported on his case and not how it was much larger, titrating the dose, preparing you for what was about to come out.
Now you understand how the enemy operates.
So, that's what this is.
dan friesen
I can still find no evidence to support the claims that Alex is making in that clip.
Exaggerating the reporting on the fact that the foster care assistant Again, to stress that point, any number of children is unacceptable.
I'm only pointing out that Alex appears to just be making up information to help his narratives be more sensational.
Like I said, what's going on here is he's combining two unrelated stories out of Germany that we've covered.
The first is about those homeless youths being placed in foster care with pedophiles.
And the second story is about the 30,000 leads that the police have with the modern-day network of that.
So it's wrong to minimize this kind of thing at all.
But it's equally wrong to sensationalize it.
The prior story, the one about the foster care system, is the one that Alex wants to talk about.
And the second story includes the number 30,000, which Alex likes.
jordan holmes
He wants to amplify.
dan friesen
So Alex has just combined them into being about the same thing when they're not.
That being said, the real reason that I pulled this clip is because of how clearly it demonstrates a flaw in Alex's thinking patterns.
He believes that everything is psych warfare.
So he's gotten himself into a very bizarre mode where he's essentially given himself permission to lie about everything.
Because he's rationalized that the thing that he's lying about is just psych warfare to begin with.
Let's take this specific example.
Alex is lying about reporting about the German foster care story, but he doesn't see it as lying, because he believes that the original reporting is just the globalists getting ahead of the story in order to soften the blow when the real story comes out.
Another story justifying his embellishment has not come out, but an unrelated story about a similar topic has, so he's just good enough and he's claimed a victory about everything.
This kind of thought pattern goes a long way towards explaining why Alex can't report a straight version of any story.
He can't stick to reality, and it's nearly impossible for him to not exaggerate details to fit his narratives.
That's because he thinks reality that is being reported is just psych warfare.
So when he exaggerates a story, he thinks that what he's doing is just compensating the story match up with actual reality.
In fact, what he's doing is making things up and lying, but he doesn't experience it that way.
If that last clip at all accurately expresses Alex's beliefs, then it would be fair to say that his version of truth could be described as lying about things you think are lies.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That, to me, is really eye-opening.
Yeah.
unidentified
Because...
Just making it up.
Because the story's a lie to begin with.
jordan holmes
Right, of course.
So what he's saying is that the Wayfair situation is a hoax to distract from the...
Two situations that he has conflated into its own hoax that will distract from the actual individual circumstances that both stories are not dealing with whatsoever.
dan friesen
And Ghislaine Maxwell somehow.
jordan holmes
And Ghislaine Maxwell somehow.
And all of this is fine, because sometimes the globalists are lying to you, and sometimes they're not, because of course I can quote New York Times and all of those things whenever they match up with what I think they should.
dan friesen
But, if they don't...
Psych warfare.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Everything that disagrees with what I believe is lies to me and everyone else.
dan friesen
When it's convenient, this story is psych warfare, so I can lie to adjust to compensate for whatever I believe the psych warfare is.
jordan holmes
In whatever direction I want.
dan friesen
And that is me depicting reality, as opposed to what it actually is in lying.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I think that's interesting, and it kind of...
I don't want to say it gives me closure, but it definitely gives me a better understanding of why he's such a liar and why he doesn't think he's such a liar.
Because if you believe what he's saying there, if he actually believes that about what he does and how information works, you could justify coming up with any story you want and then just being like, no, this is the truth.
That story is the whitewash.
That's the fake version of the story.
I've made up a number that feels right based on me calling this a whitewash.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And it explains a large swath of his behavior.
jordan holmes
Wow.
It's a bummer.
And the thing about that is, by no means do I experience any empathy for him in this way, but what that is essentially saying is that I will never accept good news because it doesn't conform to my version of reality.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, everything that provides good and joy he lies about in order to facilitate the continuation of this globalist conspiracy.
And he amplifies every negative news source as long as it helps with his conspiracy theory.
And any real news is negative because it helps with his conspiracy theory.
And so at any and all times, he is experiencing nothing but panic, fear, and rage.
dan friesen
If he actually is, then yeah.
jordan holmes
If he actually is, then yeah.
He's torturing himself.
dan friesen
Right.
I'm less concerned with that.
jordan holmes
No, no.
I'm not at all concerned with that.
I'm just trying to feel like it.
dan friesen
There's an empathy I can extend to his loved ones and the people around him.
Totally.
My empathy goes far more to the people who listen to him and believe him.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
How can you listen to this guy and take it seriously when he's...
Clearly expressing to you that, yeah, I read news stories and then I just make up stuff because it's like warfare.
That's ridiculous.
It's really sad.
The people who believe him and follow this stuff have just unknowingly essentially been tricked into a cult of Alex.
It's just whatever he interprets and experiences as true is presented as truth and he will harangue you with References to arcane and obscure documents you haven't read, and he hasn't either, in order to justify his positions, and it's all just a fucking parlor trick.
It's ridiculous.
It's very sad.
It's very sad.
jordan holmes
It's really sad.
dan friesen
Well, for the people who believe it.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
It's sad for Alex, ultimately, because this legacy doesn't hold up.
No.
Let's say we survive the current troubles we're in.
His history doesn't go down well.
In the same way that we can look back on the John Birch Society and all right-thinking people can be like, they were anti-communist lunatics.
They were way out of line.
Alex's legacy is going to be similar.
What he has done with his life, his life's work, will look like shit.
And that kind of sucks, but I don't think he cares.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, you know, in the same way that his listeners are victims and participants in their own kind of miserable existence, Alex is visiting upon them and himself.
It's unfortunate.
He's torturing everyone in proximity to him.
dan friesen
So I told you that...
jordan holmes
Including me!
dan friesen
I told you that there was a conditional aspect to me saying that Alex was like, wow, at least he can even see through this would be stupid.
This way fair conspiracy.
Now, the reason it's conditional is because he's about to say that it may be true.
alex jones
The globalists have put out this disinformation because they know this is massive.
This is the zeitgeist.
People now understand it.
And they hope when it comes out this isn't true, it'll somehow discredit it all.
I actually believe this will blow up in their face like Pizzagate did.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
And people will see through all this and understand what's going on.
Now, could it be they're really money laundering?
Could it be that they're actually, these are real ads?
Who knows?
They might be that bold in really doing it.
Could it be that it's an honest mistake and more zeros were added?
I don't believe so, because they're all named after little girls, a bunch of them missing little girls, to make everybody go crazy!
dan friesen
So, he is saying that it's globalist disinformation, but also maybe it's money laundering?
Weird.
jordan holmes
I know.
For a fact.
dan friesen
Yes, it's globalist disinformation.
jordan holmes
It's globalist disinformation.
Now, it may be the other things.
dan friesen
How could it be both?
How could it even be possible that it's money laundering if it's an intentional plan by the globalists to make your side look bad and make it look like...
jordan holmes
Alright, Dan.
It's like in chess when you've got a pin, right?
I don't know.
Is the German like Zufzwang or whatever it is?
I don't know.
But it's like whatever move your enemy makes, you get to take one of their pieces no matter what happens.
So this is why if you are laundering money, you both actually launder money and also make it look like you're not laundering money.
Unless somebody figures out that you're laundering money, in which case it will blow up in your face, just like Pizzagate blew up in their faces.
Definitely no one else's face did Pizzagate blow up in.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I will say, and this is convoluted and stupid, there's no way.
I appreciate your attempt to stretch this in a way that makes sense.
jordan holmes
Credulity.
dan friesen
You just can't.
jordan holmes
No, not possible.
dan friesen
But at least Alex is pretty clear that this is a stupid way to try and deliver traffic to children.
alex jones
Do you really think that a group like this would ship thousands of kids around in containers, not knowing a truck's going to wreck or one's going to fall open or the kid's going to die in one?
No, folks.
No, it's not true.
It's not real.
That's why they are doing all of this.
They didn't make typos on hundreds and hundreds of items.
We're going over right now.
I'll have more tomorrow.
This was done as bait, and they used names of real children that are missing.
And to make people take the bait and say, oh my god, this is real.
dan friesen
So, this is bait.
This is bait.
It's the globalists putting out this honey trap.
It's bait.
Now, that would make this next clip tough to hear, which he says almost immediately after.
alex jones
Because it is coming out.
They can't hide it.
The system doesn't know what to do.
So, I've been set up like this.
And they didn't completely defeat me.
We figured it out and turned it around on them.
jordan holmes
Did ya?
alex jones
But this is meant to discredit the real work that police are engaged in, in my view.
And maybe you disagree with me.
Comment in the comments below.
But if the globalists have gotten bold enough, and maybe I'm wrong, to ship kids actually in containers like this, psychos, when they don't get caught for a while and get away with it, a lot of them go crazy, even crazier, and start wanting to get caught.
And who the hell knows anymore.
I mean, this is just unbelievable.
But know this.
This was not an accident that they used a bunch of little girls' names and some of them missing girls.
Complete with first and last names.
That is not.
This was done to bait you away from all the other real stuff.
Infowars.com, Newswars.com, tomorrow's news today.
dan friesen
That's the end of his special report.
This is not how you do this.
This is not good.
Because he's clearly...
Clearly articulating his position that this is bait.
This is to try and sucker people into going down this rabbit hole or whatever.
And then right at the end, he's like, maybe, I don't know, maybe the globalists are sending out kids in these containers.
Why are you doing that?
If you know that that's ludicrous and bait, why are you making the bait possibly attractive to your audience?
jordan holmes
What are you doing?
I think it's because he hates me.
I've decided, honestly, I'm full on solipsis now.
I am the only person that exists and Alex is here because he hates me.
dan friesen
I know.
jordan holmes
This is insane.
dan friesen
I can counter your argument.
I don't know.
You wouldn't believe me.
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
But things that happen when you're not here.
jordan holmes
It's a hoax.
Oh my god.
How can you even...
He's got a knife.
Ladies and gentlemen, he's got a knife.
Oh no, he's coming towards me.
How can you turn this somehow into you being the victim?
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Yeah, that is a good thought.
It does seem like he does that a lot.
jordan holmes
A bunch of random people found some random bullshit on Wayfair, and I'm the victim of this.
This is targeted at me.
dan friesen
Clearly.
These QAnon folks who are posting all of these...
These Wayfair conspiracies.
It's really just an attempt by the globalists to entrap me into covering this in order to delegitimize my already sterling, remarkable, unimpeachable record.
jordan holmes
Which I will then defeat them by revealing that it's a hoax while also leaving the possibility open that, hey, they might be doing it.
dan friesen
Yeah, hey, I don't want to fully close the door on this just in case I realize that it could be profitable.
What the fuck?
jordan holmes
The thing about the honey trap, Dan.
There is honey in it.
And I like honey.
unidentified
So I'm going to pull my hand in there.
jordan holmes
A little bit of honey.
dan friesen
Yeah.
What the fuck?
I don't know.
I constantly am left with a feeling of bewilderment at him.
Because, first of all, here we go.
This whole thing is supposed to be like, Roger.
jordan holmes
Yes, I do recall this being the day that Roger...
dan friesen
It is a profound statement that Roger Stone didn't show up the next day on Infowars when Alex did an emergency broadcast about him getting clemency.
jordan holmes
That cannot be overstated.
dan friesen
The idea that Man Cow was at the same hotel where Roger Stone theoretically was.
jordan holmes
You got it.
dan friesen
And was in his vicinity and didn't give him the phone.
jordan holmes
Hey, do you want to talk to Alex real quick?
dan friesen
The fact that all of that happened is...
It demonstrates Alex's relative position to other folks.
And then this Wayfair stuff is real shitty.
Real shitty.
jordan holmes
Man, I just...
It's just such a bummer.
I would love it if Alex had the backbone that it took to just be like, Fuck you, Roger.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
dan friesen
That would be nice.
jordan holmes
You're done.
dan friesen
That would be nice.
jordan holmes
I've...
I debase myself for you to the point where I've lost my entire business.
I'm going down.
My life is a shambles.
Now, do I have a lot to do with that?
Totally.
dan friesen
The least Roger could do is show up.
jordan holmes
All you have to do is show up.
Just say, thanks, Alex, for all you've done.
Give me a thank you.
And then say, oh, I gotta go.
Or I'm not feeling well.
Or, hey, I was celebrating so much, I'm hungover.
I'm hungover.
And everyone who's listening to the show would be like, fuck yeah you are.
You just got out of prison, buddy.
You get shit-faced.
Alex, all you need to do is get a thank you, and Roger didn't give you the thank you, so cut ties forever.
dan friesen
Fuck him!
Well, it's too early, as we're recording this on Sunday, to know if he was actually on Sunday, although I assume he probably was.
Probably.
But still, that's a day and a half after.
That's too long.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
That's too long.
jordan holmes
Uh-uh, you got rat-fucked like we told you you would.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
God damn it, I hate it.
dan friesen
Yep, and I hate that we had to listen to Man Cow, but it is what it is.
Anyway, we'll be back, Jordan.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
And I go to bed, Jordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
But if you would like, please find a bail fund or charity in your area that will help take care of people who need it.
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I really want to know what that Bohemian Grove news was.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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