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July 8, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#454: December 17, 2013

December 17, 2013: Knowledge Fight dissects Alex Jones’s 2013 broadcast, replayed in 2020, where he misrepresented GM’s $10B stock buy as a bailout, peddled COVID-19 bioweapon theories (later reversed), and cherry-picked soil nutrient studies—claiming 98% loss despite actual declines of 27–37%. He tied iodine deficiencies to sea salt trends while selling supplements, ignored Breonna Taylor’s case in 2020 despite anti-cop rhetoric, and framed himself as a non-radical truth-teller, yet leaned on John Birch Society propaganda. The episode reveals Jones’s pattern of sensationalism over facts, exploiting fears for profit while dismissing real-world geopolitics. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 13:12
d
dan friesen
56:23
j
jordan holmes
18:40
Appearances
m
matt dubiel
01:54
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
Riddler, Reddit, Riddler, Riddler, Riddler, Knowledge Fight.
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
alex jones
Knowledgeparty.com.
It's time to pray.
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang, we are the bad guys.
Knowledge and fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
Riddler, riddler, riddler.
alex jones
Need fight, need money.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Tandy or stop.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're only here.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fifth pin color.
I was here today.
alex jones
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
alex jones
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like, sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Joe.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
alex jones
Dan!
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot for today is kind of trying to make peace with a fruit.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Are we getting back to grapefruit?
dan friesen
No.
It's another fruit that I've disparaged quite a bit in the recent days on this show, particularly as it relates to the year of the Seltzer.
I've said some really negative things about coconut.
unidentified
Yes, you have.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And I've always tried to stay diplomatic on this topic, that I don't hate the coconut.
I hate it as a seltzer.
It's just a disgusting flavor for liquids.
So I want to take this opportunity to say something positive about coconut that I have recently encountered in my life.
I have been exploring various, like, you know, like I told you, I have been having like oat milk.
And I've recently discovered that there's also other kinds of yogurt.
Didn't know that necessarily.
unidentified
There were non-milk yogurts.
dan friesen
So there's a coconut milk yogurt.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Fantastic.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
I enjoy it.
jordan holmes
Coconut milk yogurt.
dan friesen
Does the trick.
jordan holmes
I just don't.
unidentified
Wait, isn't yogurt?
dan friesen
It's basically yogurt, but it's got a little bit of a coconut paste.
jordan holmes
Isn't yogurt curdled milk, though?
Isn't the definition of yogurt?
dan friesen
Am I a scientist?
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
Am I a milk scientist?
jordan holmes
You're not.
dan friesen
Look at me, Jordan.
Am I a milk scientist?
You answered me that one question.
jordan holmes
You're the one who knows more about milks than me.
dan friesen
I paid a dollar at the store and I got one.
unidentified
I ate it.
dan friesen
I tasted it.
unidentified
Yeah, but you're a researcher.
You look at it.
jordan holmes
Not about yogurts.
Why not?
dan friesen
That's a good question, actually.
We've now reached the point where I'm like, hey, there's some expectation that I would look into it.
I just haven't.
I've just been trying.
And honestly, I want to be totally clear about this.
I don't know if it's healthier.
I don't know if it's healthier than like a Greek yogurt or just a Dannon.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But it's pretty good.
I enjoy it.
I'm trying to diversify the offerings that I have, the food offerings in my life.
jordan holmes
I'm looking forward to 2022 whenever we hear the drop yogurt.
All right.
This is the year of yogurt again.
dan friesen
There won't be a year of the yogurt.
unidentified
Still going.
Nope.
dan friesen
It turns out there will be another year of the seltzer in a couple years.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Because I just like seltzer.
unidentified
It's delicious.
jordan holmes
You like seltzer?
dan friesen
I have no updates on that front, but I would like to know what your bright spot is.
jordan holmes
My bright spot is the comedian David O'Daugherty.
dan friesen
Dan, you might have overpronounced that name.
jordan holmes
David O'Daugherty, Dan.
You pronounce it right.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
No, I haven't particularly enjoyed a lot of stand-up that's been released recently.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So went back and watched some old David O'Daugherty specials, and he's fantastic.
Musical comedian, tiny little keyboard, little Casio keyboard, terrible singing voice.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Incredible songwriting.
dan friesen
I might have to look into this because the way you describe it sounds pretty rough.
jordan holmes
No, he's amazing.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
He's very, very good.
Like in a genuinely funny kind of dark, miserable kind of way.
dan friesen
Not aware of him, although you did drag me to see another European comedian at the Athena Theater.
jordan holmes
Dylan Morn.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
No offense to that guy, but I did not have a great time.
jordan holmes
You know what I found?
A lot of people don't make it to five specials, and those who do probably shouldn't.
Let's be real about that.
dan friesen
I just remember getting pissed off because the bar had closed maybe with like half an hour left in the show.
I had walked out to get another drink because I wasn't enjoying myself.
jordan holmes
Last time I was you just seething.
Me turning over and looking after a kind of half-hearted laugh.
dan friesen
I demand more anything.
jordan holmes
Is there anything here for you?
No, not even Merlot.
dan friesen
Fine.
I didn't hold it against you, although it was one of the lower points of our friendship.
Because I remember that we went to that because your Dow partner didn't want to go.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
That was a different setup of it.
No, that's right.
dan friesen
That's right.
That was a previous relationship.
Yeah.
That's right.
My timeline's a little screwy, but not to worry.
So, Jordan, today we've got actually what is going to be what I would describe as a very special episode of our podcast.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And I don't understand if you're not going to be able to do it.
jordan holmes
Do you think about drugs?
dan friesen
I'll tell you something about drugs.
Okay.
Stay away from it.
Just say no.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It's the best policy.
jordan holmes
Thanks.
Thanks, Nancy.
dan friesen
Learn that from a DARE program.
Did you have a DARE program?
jordan holmes
Oh, totally.
dan friesen
Did you have a Dare Bear?
jordan holmes
No.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
A Dare Bear?
dan friesen
I don't know if this was just something that my school had, but we had a Dare Bear that went along with the Dare curriculum.
jordan holmes
Was it like Care Bear with just like with Dare on the fucking shot?
Dare love?
dan friesen
Yeah, and if you did really well in the drug education section of the curriculum or whatever, they'd let you take it home for the evening and then you had to bring it back.
jordan holmes
That stopped a lot of time.
dan friesen
That was universal.
jordan holmes
No.
Never heard of a dare bear.
dan friesen
I guess we'll probably hear from some listeners whether or not they had dare bears.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
We just had an incompetent city cop and his massive dog.
dan friesen
I think we might have had a similar on that front.
I think it was around the time that Care Bears was a cartoon.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So that might have been part of why that ended up happening.
jordan holmes
Any rhyme is worth going for at least once.
dan friesen
Sure.
But that's not what's going to make this special.
It's not an after-school special.
And I don't actually know exactly how the structure of this is going to go.
I haven't really planned this out incredibly well in advance.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But we will see.
What we're going to do is I'm going to give some shout-outs to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Then I'm going to open up the mailbag.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Then we're going to play a drop of the Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then we are going to enter a time capsule episode that we're recording for a listener's child.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's great.
dan friesen
For them to listen to in the future.
The child at this point, too young to listen to this.
unidentified
How old?
How old?
dan friesen
I believe six.
Six?
Too young to listen to knowledge.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
You start them young.
dan friesen
However, this gentleman, Robert, reached out to me and wanted to create a time capsule of the day that his daughter was born for when she's old enough to listen to the show so she could hear what Alex was doing on the day she was born.
jordan holmes
I want to go fuck dad.
unidentified
Why are you making me listen to this?
dan friesen
I got this email and I thought it was one of the sweeter, more uplifting things that I've heard in a while, although twisted and obscured through the lens of our show, which is never sweet.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's very strange.
dan friesen
And so I definitely, you know, I got this request and I said, yes, absolutely.
This is something that we would love to do to insinuate ourselves in some sort of a weird memory for your family in the future.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Very well.
jordan holmes
I want to get that letter.
I want to get that post-apocalypse apocalyptic letter.
dan friesen
Should we all be around at that point?
You might want to download this and put this on a thumb drive now in case the internet goes out by the time.
jordan holmes
Fucking make it a vinyl.
Okay, you want a physical copy of this.
The cloud is going down into space.
unidentified
The cloud is going down.
dan friesen
You may want to pay somebody to transcribe this into rock and just chisel it into a stone to make sure that you're going to be able to do it.
jordan holmes
You have a cuneiform knowledge fight specialist.
It is kind of strange.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I mean, honestly, I think this might be a dual time capsule in the sense that we're recording this in July 2020.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And also, it would be a time capsule of December 17th, 2013, the day of Robert's child's birth.
unidentified
Love it.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
So we're going to do that.
But I wanted to try.
I don't know why because we're already talking about this and this is an episode.
But like, the way I conceived in my mind is that we would play that drop and then we would enter it as if, you know, like that's the beginning of the episode.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But then, but only because I was like, I don't know if this was a time capsule episode.
Do they need to hear the donors?
unidentified
Is that somehow?
dan friesen
I just don't know.
I don't know how this works.
So anyway, if you.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So let's get down to this.
jordan holmes
I love this.
dan friesen
So, first, Justin A. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Joe.
unidentified
Thank you, Justin.
dan friesen
Next, Joe W. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Joe.
dan friesen
Thank you, Joe.
Next, Spiggy.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Spiggy.
dan friesen
Thanks, Spiggy.
Next, Cage, spelled with a K. K-A-G-E.
Last initial initial H. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Cage.
dan friesen
Next, Emily M. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Emily.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Joseph R. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Joseph.
dan friesen
And Andrew S. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Andrew.
dan friesen
And finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So Kyle D, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Beard Beardsley, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crocky mate, that's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We got to go full-tailed buggy on this, Watson.
All right.
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare info war on you.
dan friesen
And because in the future, you may listen to this preemptively, though you're too young to understand what it means right now.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Robert, his child, V, you are officially a Raptor Princess.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother telling you, brilliant.
I'll barbecue your ass.
matt dubiel
It's over for humanity.
alex jones
You're a beautiful soul.
You're coming for your balls.
Well, I piss all over your gun.
Very few people crap in the pool unless they're babies.
I piss all over the state.
unidentified
Make it a practice of calling people pieces of garbage when they are.
Come it as you see fit.
dan friesen
Thank you all.
All right, so Jordan, let's get to the mailbag.
unidentified
All right, Zip.
jordan holmes
All right.
Hold on.
dan friesen
Zip.
jordan holmes
Are you telling me you're going to let her miss that it was Beard Beardsley's shout out on this episode?
She's going to just start at the next part.
Come on.
She's got to know Beard Beardsley was here.
dan friesen
But see, I'm too confused.
Like, I assume that everyone, like, down the road, 10 years from now or whatever, they'll be listening to this part where we're doing this rambling introduction.
Naturally, as you can see, which is why I threw in the raptor princess.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But I want to give options in case you want to cut it off.
That's why, okay.
This is an instance of I don't know what I'm doing.
jordan holmes
I know.
I love it.
I'm having fun.
I'm not criticizing you in a negative way.
dan friesen
And that's fantastic.
And I'm not having a terrible time either, although I am flummoxed.
So, zip.
Here's the mailbag.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
dan friesen
I'd like to say thank you to Bob Hartzel of the Algrotten Press.
Sent a nice little package.
Hard to call it little, because there were a ton of prints in there.
Yeah.
Of cool posters for shows.
A lot of venues around central Missouri, too.
So there's a lot of stuff from like Mojo's and the Blue Note, which were places that I frequented.
And that, as well as like some cool fireside bowl toys.
jordan holmes
Totally.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Just great art.
And you can find his work over on Etsy at the Algratan Press.
There's some places you can find his work.
You should check it out.
It all looks really great.
And I think it's hard to say for sure because there's no year on it, but I think I was at one of the shows at one of these posters.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I think that the Decembrist show that there's a poster of I was at.
Although that's hard to say for sure because I would have had to been over a decade ago.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
So, but if the Decembrists were popular, oh my god, hold on one.
dan friesen
It wasn't even my choice to go to that show.
I got dragged along to it.
I had no idea who the Decemberists were.
Yeah.
And it wasn't.
jordan holmes
You weren't missing much.
dan friesen
It was a fine show.
I had a good time.
But yeah, thank you, Bob.
I really appreciate it.
I'll get, you know, I don't know which of these will make it on the wall, but I know you took a shining to the Flaming Lips poster.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
dan friesen
You're a big flaming lips fan.
jordan holmes
I'm a big flaming lips fan.
dan friesen
You like the battle pink robots?
jordan holmes
I do love battling pink robots.
I appreciate Vaseline in all its many forms.
dan friesen
Did you ever do that thing where you get a bunch of copies of Zaya Rika and then you try and play it at the same time?
jordan holmes
My friends did.
My friends did.
dan friesen
You don't really like the Flaming Lips?
jordan holmes
I had no interest in messing around with it.
I was so, I heard about that, and my first reaction was like, good on you, fellas.
And if anybody listens, good on them.
dan friesen
We did it, and I don't know if it was better or not.
I was really high.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
See, I told you we were going to talk about drugs.
jordan holmes
My, yeah, no.
When I was 17, my then-girlfriend was on stage with the Flaming Lips at Talapalooza.
dan friesen
She's playing the sax.
jordan holmes
They do.
No, they invite people up there.
She was dressed as an alien.
She did not play the sex.
She was not a good saxophone player.
She was a pianist, actually.
dan friesen
Little tiny piano like that.
jordan holmes
Little David O'Doherty.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
All right, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes, sir.
dan friesen
Next time.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hello from the past.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Hello.
We're recording this in July 2020 where things are bleak.
jordan holmes
Yes.
If you are listening, please make sure that you do not let the fire go out.
We don't know how to restart them anymore.
alex jones
Kip the fire.
dan friesen
Burning tonight.
Kenny Loggins.
alex jones
Great song.
jordan holmes
Always.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We were recording this in 2020 where the world is a disaster.
And we certainly hope that things are better when this time capsule will be appropriate to open.
Although I do have a keen awareness that there are a lot of people who are just listening to this on Wednesday in 2020.
They're not loving.
jordan holmes
I just want to say congratulations to Martin Luther King Jr.'s granddaughter on becoming president.
dan friesen
We do know that the time travelers have told us that.
We have no confirmation of it yet, but you will know in the future.
Of course.
So, like I said, Robert reached out to me and requested that we record this episode for his daughter, V, who was born on December 17th, 2013.
And in honor of that, I have gone back and collected clips and listened to an episode of Alex Jones's from December 13th, 2017.
I'm sorry, 2013.
2013.
To give a full idea of what he was up to on the day of V's birth.
jordan holmes
That'll be interesting.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you know what?
unidentified
Hey, you don't get to choose.
dan friesen
You don't choose your birthday.
unidentified
I'll tell you right now, if anybody was born on this day, they better hope that they live to see the end of it.
dan friesen
Sometimes, you know, we've experienced this in the past.
Like, sometimes you'll choose a random day in Alex's past, and it'll be like, well, this is a humdinger.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't think that this is a bad or uninteresting episode, but I will say that there is very little geopolitical importance on this episode of his show.
jordan holmes
That's not a surprise.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's not a day where Alex is like really batting on all syllables, right?
If you allow me to mix metaphors.
So here, though, is an out-of-context drop from today's show.
alex jones
When the TSA is playing ping-pong with your wavos, you're in tyranny.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Sort of a Jeff Foxworthy kind of thing.
unidentified
The TSA is playing ping pong with your test tails.
jordan holmes
The TSA.
dan friesen
You just might be in a tyranny.
jordan holmes
You just might be in a fashion.
dan friesen
Or it could go the other way.
It's like, when the TSA plays ping pong with your footballs, that's a tyranny.
I couldn't decide which way it went, but it could be either.
So we start off this episode and like I got really excited just from the jump when I heard there's an interesting thing.
Alex's show is very, very different in 2013 from what it is in the day as we were recording this in 2020.
And that is like Alex has a lot more focus.
He is clearly has at least some idea of what he wants to do on his show.
He does like a maybe couple minute, like, here's what's coming up on today's show.
Here are the guests.
jordan holmes
I'm actually kind of excited to listen to this.
We've been listening to Dirt Alex for so long.
dan friesen
Yeah, and especially in the present day, like I was listening to Monday's episode from here in July 2020.
And it was just depressing.
It was just like, it's still just an extension of the, like, I'm not, I can't even do anything.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And so I'm glad to have this retreat to go back to to talk about.
But in his preamble talking about what's coming up on the show, I was like, oh, God, so good.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, coming up later in the broadcast, this live Tuesday, the 17th of December 2013 edition, Larry Clayman, the legendary constitutional lawyer that's waged war on tyrants everywhere.
He is going to be joining us.
dan friesen
Alex is so excited to promote that Larry Clayman is coming up on the show.
For some context, Larry Clayman is currently suing Alex.
The two of them are in a blood feud about Alex and Roger Stone slandering Larry Clayman and his associate, Jerome Coursey, former InfoWars employee.
Yeah, so the two of them do not like each other anymore.
Larry Clayman has become a bit, I mean, he was a punchline back then, too, but even to Alex, he is now just kind of a guy's a dick.
jordan holmes
Oh, how things change.
You know, it's always so many things we see where it's like, oh, this is the same shit that's been going on since the 80s.
This is good to know that some friendships do crumble hilariously.
dan friesen
I don't even know this is a friendship, though.
This is just like a convenience.
This is just an association of convenience.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
And there's a lot of stuff like that that I see looking at this episode in particular, especially as a bottle episode.
There's like, oh, Alex likes Larry back then.
Oh, this guy was around.
You know, there's a lot of stuff that's like, oh, my God, that is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Things are very different.
jordan holmes
We're tourists in the past.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's interesting.
So Alex, in his amping up what's coming up on today's show, he does say this, and I will say this is not something he follows through with.
alex jones
And of course, as I said, open phones.
And I'll open the phones up again today, but I think it's going to be on specific topics because I really want to get your take on some of these issues.
We're going to be breaking down after the break.
dan friesen
We don't really get to calls.
And also, if you have open phones, but it's only on certain topics, it's no longer open.
jordan holmes
It's not really open phones.
dan friesen
You have contradicted yourself.
jordan holmes
We have closed phones.
dan friesen
Right.
But it is still like, I think he says that at the beginning of every show back at this point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're going to have open phones.
It's only talk about this.
dan friesen
Or even just saying you're going to have open phones.
It seems like something you would say on a talk show of this sort.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
In 2013, you know, like, I want to talk to people.
And then if you get to it, you get to it.
If you don't, you don't.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, the point being, people are going to be like, when's my chance to call?
So they're going to listen through the point to where somebody's going to say it's his turn to call.
Right.
Right.
dan friesen
It's a good, uh, it's a good thing to do.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex jumps into the stories, and here's where he decides to begin.
alex jones
Now, where to begin when we come back?
There is so much to cover here.
So much to go over here.
How about officialism?
General Motors says no way it will pay back 10 billion bailout, money it used to move to China and Brazil.
You don't just pay to bail it out.
You pay to have it leave the country.
Only in America.
And if you don't like it, you're a conspiracy theorist and a racist.
dan friesen
So, yeah, it is interesting.
You know, Alex does have the, like, there's so many stories to get to that is very similar, but in this case, he does at least start talking about a headband.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's true.
dan friesen
So for what it's worth, in July 2019, GM finally finished paying back to the United States government all the money that it owed as part of the bailout.
That was later than it was supposed to have paid it all back, but all $6.7 billion that was considered a loan was repaid.
The government, and by extension, the taxpayers, did still lose out here, though, because part of the bailout plan was to not saddle the company with an impossible amount of debt.
So some of the bailout was in the form of the U.S. government buying stock in General Motors.
According to a 2014 article in CNN Business, quote, although GM has been very profitable since 2009, its stock price never rose to the level that let Treasury recoup that investment.
Of course.
On December 16th, back in 2013, there was an article in the Detroit Free Press with the headline, quote, Should GM repay 10 billion rescue cost?
CEO says no.
jordan holmes
Ha!
Surprise.
dan friesen
This article is about whether or not the CEO of GM felt they should pay off the government for all the stock that it bought in GM, which technically is not their responsibility and wasn't part of the bailout plan.
Naturally, the CEO said no, and that, quote, treasury officials took the same risk assumed by anyone who purchases stock.
Also, Alex fails to mention that in this article, they explicitly discuss GM's plan to invest $1.2 billion in five U.S. plants, which brings their total for the past four years at that point up to $10 billion investments in United States plants.
Sure.
Alex is saying that they're moving to Brazil and China, but there are only three GM factories in Brazil, and all of them were opened before the bailout, two of them prior to 1960.
As for the reality of Chinese GM factories, they've been built because of the expanding demand for cars in China.
A 2019 article in CNN Business estimates that approximately 1% of U.S. GM sales are from cars imported from Chinese factories and, quote, do not have any impact on U.S. factories.
There are car plants in China because people in China need cars.
And it's way more profitable to not have to transport big-ass cars across the world just to sell them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is smart.
dan friesen
There are definitely things that you should and can take issue with about the GM bailout.
But from everything I can tell, Alex just read this headline about the CEO saying he wasn't going to pay back money that wasn't a loan, and he's making stuff up about the rest.
Sure, sure.
He's just getting wrong.
He's getting mad about stuff that doesn't make sense when there's other things to get mad at.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
I mean, I do not appreciate the CEO's tone of like, hey, we just saved your entire fucking business.
We could have let you go bankrupt.
We could have saddled you with all this debt, but we're not a goddamn venture capital fund.
And then you're going to come back and be like, hey, man, you guys did the same shit everybody else did.
No big deal.
unidentified
That's kind of a big, I'll see you in hell, you dickbag.
jordan holmes
Like, I don't know what to say.
dan friesen
Part of the arrangement in advance was that they would buy back the stock for the amount that it was sold for or whatever, and they would pay back everything, then yeah, I would think it was a dick move.
unidentified
But per the terms, oh, no, no, no, totally, right?
jordan holmes
They can't compel them by any stretch.
It's still a dick.
dan friesen
You would love to take sure.
You would love for them to do it out of the goodness of their heart and their love for America.
jordan holmes
You would never expect that to happen ever.
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
But it would be nice.
dan friesen
So, Alex gets to another story.
And it's pretty like a headline intensive towards the beginning of the episode.
That does not continue.
Here's the next one.
alex jones
Well, ladies and gentlemen, even mainstream media is calling it the rise of Google's robot army.
The rise of the machines.
Google search and destroy rise of the robot animals as they've now bought four in the last week and now four more.
So eight robot companies in the last week as Google makes the executive decision to literally buy up almost all serious humanoid or animal-type combat capable in the future robot systems.
Freak out.
jordan holmes
Wow.
unidentified
Wow.
That was a lot of clauses that he kept adding to the certainly a lot of words.
jordan holmes
A lot of words.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So Google is getting a robot army together.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's still coming.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
I don't doubt that.
dan friesen
And it is going to look really embarrassing if down the road when this time capsule is opened, Google's robots have taken over the world.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that'd be a real bubble.
Yeah, yeah.
The Black Bear episode.
unidentified
They're working us out like assholes for critiquing.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So once again, this is easily traceable to a headline from December 16th.
One of the things I thought was really interesting is going through this and hearing the stories that he's covering, it's painfully easy to just go and find the exact article he's talking about.
Like with the last one, the GM article, that was really easy to find.
Like, oh, here's what he's talking about.
And the same thing with this.
It's just, this is a CBS news article with the headline: quote, Google buys eight robotics companies in six months.
Why?
This article is primarily about Google buying a company called Boston Dynamics, which grew out of a project at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
A lot of these investments could easily be understood as Google trying to get in the early stages of technologies that could be used for an almost mind-boggling array of purposes, mostly in the field of automation.
If you look at it from that angle, there's nothing even close to strange about Google buying up these businesses.
The robotics section of Google was being handled by a guy named Andy Rubin, who left Google in 2014.
According to sources who spoke with Vox in 2017, this quote left a number of the companies without much direction about what their role at Google would be.
So it should probably be no huge surprise that in 2017, Google sold Boston Dynamics, as well as their other large robotics interest, Shaft, to a Japanese company called Softbank.
The robotics companies were part of Google X, which is their developmental wing.
They saw large potential in these companies, but after the guy who was running them left, things got a little rudderless and they started to realize that the innovations that were being worked on were too far away from being profitable.
So they sold them off.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they had already built the Rosie the Robot made with the Google insignia on it.
And they had to get rid of those.
And that's why in the Jetsons, you don't see them.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's what makes sense.
dan friesen
That's what I saw in the white paper.
jordan holmes
That's the only thing I can see.
dan friesen
I mean, like, don't get me wrong.
I'm not going to say that those videos of galloping robots don't terrify you.
unidentified
They're great.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
They're fantastic.
dan friesen
I'm not trying to downplay that.
We should probably shoot all of those on site.
jordan holmes
I don't know how many times we have to look at it.
dan friesen
I love Horizon Zero Dawn, so I know that I'm going to need to invest in a Poinera.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How many times are we going to have to have a movie say the answer is they asked themselves whether or not they could, not whether or not they should.
And then we watch it in reality happen, and we're like, guys, have you seen any movies about you?
About you.
They're about you.
Look at you building a black mirror episode.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're terrifying.
dan friesen
It's not predictive programming.
It's a common artistic theme about hubris.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, we won't make these mistakes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So the sense that I get from reading up on Google's foray into the field of robotics is that it was kind of a mixed experience.
On the one hand, some people accuse Google of holding the field back by spending big bucks to hire some of the brightest minds in robotics into their research divisions where they weren't being used to their full potential.
And therefore, like innovations were held back that could have been maybe done outside of the restrictive purview of Google.
And then others point out the fact that because Google showed such a huge interest in robotics back in 2013, it led to other firms viewing robotics as a field worth investing in.
And so it actually pushed the field forward.
So it's kind of a mixed bag.
jordan holmes
Yeah, nobody has a complete handle on what the net gain or loss is.
We just know that there's some gain, there's some loss.
dan friesen
It seems like a lot of the sense that I was getting was kind of stifling.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because a lot of the feeling that some people had in hindsight.
But I'm not, I guess another thing is I'm not in that field nearly enough or at all to be able to speak with any kind of authority.
jordan holmes
No idea.
dan friesen
But anyway, yeah, I mean, like, the companies that Alex is talking about have been, by this point, sold by Google.
Sure.
And it was clearly not an attempt to create robot armies.
unidentified
Yes.
No.
alex jones
Not yet.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Not yet.
There's still time.
dan friesen
So in 2020, as we sit, we are in the midst of the coronavirus, the COVID-19 situation, which Alex believes is a bioweapon that the globalists have released in order to precipitate martial law.
Now, here's what's interesting.
Alex was talking about bioweapon stuff back in 2013.
Although the timeline and the order of events is a little bit different.
alex jones
And listen, you could grow up and be an adult and get ready for what's happening, but you won't do it.
You stay in a childlike arrested development three-year-old level.
I'm talking to new listeners saying this isn't happening.
Oh, it's happening while you're busy watching the NFL, while you're busy into your favorite music star, while you're busy watching your favorite sitcom, we're under total siege because the globalists are taking the planet over towards their goal to then bring in planetary rule to then drop the hammer.
They can't do it till planetary rule's in because a nuclear war might happen.
If they release these bioweapons, they've done the war games.
They know it's going to result in a nuclear war, and they all probably want that.
Probably got to get the police state in place first and a global standardization before they do this.
And the minute they get a real world government in, they're going to up the taxes, bankrupt everybody, 10 times worse, and then they're going to drop the hammer.
dan friesen
So you can see here in 2013, Alex's conception is they need to get the martial law in place first, then they use the bioweapons to remove a bunch of people.
Now it's completely flipped.
The bioweapon is released in order to get the martial law in place.
Although in 2013, he was saying they wouldn't release the bioweapon first because they've done - I mean, he usually would say actuaries, but this time he's a war games.
And they figured out that that would cause a nuclear war.
Everything's changed.
It's the same pieces, but they're organized very differently.
jordan holmes
Here's my prediction now.
All right.
I don't think anything Alex says in any era is meant with any kind of actual predictive ability.
However, I've now decided that we are comparing 2020 Alex's predictions to 2013 Alex's predictions, and both of them or either of them will always be correct.
When they are in disagreement, 2013 will happen.
dan friesen
To him, well, here's what I think is interesting.
I don't know if I agree with what you're saying at all, but he in 2020 thinks he's been completely consistent the whole time.
jordan holmes
Of course, he has.
dan friesen
Because he said the word bioweapon back then.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And so, therefore, everything is the same.
But technically, the things that he's saying don't match up.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
The predictions are different.
jordan holmes
Now, the globalist plans are always 10 years behind.
dan friesen
That is true.
jordan holmes
So there's the possibility that they themselves did a new study, a new war game, and they were like, well, this isn't going to start a nuclear war.
Not releasing it is going to start a nuclear war.
So we've got to release it now in order to take over to save us from a nuclear war.
dan friesen
I don't know anymore.
jordan holmes
I'm following.
I'm following perfectly.
This makes sense.
dan friesen
Okay.
So I know that I've been accused of being a witch in the past.
jordan holmes
You have.
dan friesen
By you.
Witch.
Because of the way that times that I go back into the past, there are things that are shockingly relevant to the present.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I would say that this is one of them.
And keep in mind that in all the episodes that I've heard of Alex's show in 2020, I've not heard him bring up the name Breonna Taylor once.
alex jones
Every day I see where police go to the wrong house and shoot someone and don't even get in trouble.
I've got two reports today in the stack of that.
And Anthony Gucciarti last night woke up to tanks, armored vehicles, you name it, at the wrong house and big giant fat goblin commander cop with a SWAT team, literally dragging some woman out who was innocent.
It was a wrong house in a fake drug war where they ship all the drugs in to begin with.
dan friesen
Alex is quite anti-cop in 2013.
He has a pretty, I mean, I guess probably not against like the individuals necessary.
You wouldn't say that he's a cab.
No, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
I very much doubt that.
dan friesen
But yeah, he's like, yeah, cops are going into the wrong houses and shooting people.
Like, you'd think that that would be right in his wheelhouse then to talk about this woman who was shot in a no-knock warrant.
jordan holmes
Also, it seems like that one is a very easy one to be consistent on.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That doesn't seem to have a fungible moral position on it.
Going into the wrong house, murdering somebody, and then facing no consequences for it seems like it's outside of time itself.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Even in our time capsule episode, she's not going to be listening to this in the future and be like, oh, no, no, no, we totally think that's fine now.
alex jones
Well, hopefully not.
jordan holmes
Never mind.
dan friesen
Things are weird in 2020.
unidentified
That's right.
dan friesen
We got nothing.
jordan holmes
No, it could be anything.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, like, I guess the only thing you could really squabble over is like demanding more information.
You know, like reserving judgment about individual cases until you know more about them is really the only place I can see any kind of argument here.
Yeah.
It seems very simple, but I mean, it's the same thing with Alex and his like his love of you know carrying weapons legally.
And then, you know, Philando Castillo gets killed carrying a gun legally.
jordan holmes
Well, Gucciarti doesn't sound like a traditionally non-white name.
dan friesen
Anthony Gucciarti is this guy who ran like an alternative health blog, and he got brought in to Inforz around the same time that Alex was like pushing his supplement line.
And he's no longer there.
I think he hates Alex now.
I'm not entirely sure because that falls under the heading of like, I've seen some videos of people talking shit about Alex, and I think Anthony Gucciarti is one of them, but that's stuff that just doesn't stick with me because it's like, yeah, this feels like gossip.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
dan friesen
But if I understand correctly, I think he hates Alex now.
He hasn't been seen in quite a while on Inforz, but he was a pretty big mainstay around this time in terms of like being another health ranger kind of guy.
Like he was a mini Mike Adams.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
He's proto-Mike Adams.
dan friesen
No, because Mike was around then, too.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Mike is definitely in play.
And so is Natural News.
Alex brings up Dr. Group a couple of times, so he's definitely in the sphere.
jordan holmes
Collecting weirdo doctor fakes.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Gotcha.
But it's interesting to me that Alex, you know, you see that.
You see this principle that, like, I can't disagree with that.
Cops shouldn't be going in people's houses.
jordan holmes
They shouldn't be going into people's houses and murdering them.
dan friesen
I salute you, Alex.
jordan holmes
Very simple.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Very simple.
dan friesen
And it's just weird that in the present day, you just don't see them.
Don't see that.
jordan holmes
And you know what?
dan friesen
It seems like it would be something that he could very opportunistically support.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
It seems like something that he could get points for being on the right side of.
And then, and still, I don't see, I don't see that happening.
jordan holmes
It would get him a shit ton of attention just to say that he doesn't want cops to murder people.
dan friesen
It would be nice.
jordan holmes
Like, yeah.
dan friesen
So here we go.
This is a nice, I don't know, maybe a little sprig of parsley.
It's 2013.
unidentified
Alex liked to sing.
alex jones
Living on the road, my friend.
unidentified
to keep you free and clean living on the road my friend was gonna keep you free and clean And now you wear your skin like our and your breath is hard as kerosene.
Weren't your mama's only boy, but her favorite.
alex jones
Gotta be my favorite Willie Nelson Merle Haggard.
Duets.
unidentified
She began to cry when you said goodbye.
Shaking to your dreams.
Sack into your dream.
alex jones
All right, folks, we are back live on this Tuesday edition.
dan friesen
Alex loves Poncho and Lefty.
You know what's really interesting to me?
I think he only knows like three Willie Nelson songs.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
I think he knows like some highwaymen, Poncho and Lefty, and then that grave digger.
When you dig my grief.
jordan holmes
I don't see him being a big like variety of music guy.
Like I see him as having a couple of songs that he listens to all the time, or he does not listen to music.
dan friesen
He has some weird deep cuts, though, that come out every now and again.
But with Willie Nelson, it seems like he has maybe six.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Five or six songs.
It's weird.
He likes it.
Maybe it's the only things that are covered by whatever his lease agreement is for music.
He's only got like these ones he could play.
He'd love to play some of the shotgun Willie or whatever.
jordan holmes
Well, he's got now that's what I call music 29.
dan friesen
Now that's what I call Willie.
jordan holmes
They had a bunch of Willie Nelson songs on, I imagine.
dan friesen
Maybe Willie threatened him.
He's like, you play these songs and no other.
jordan holmes
You don't touch any other music.
dan friesen
Willie's high as hell.
jordan holmes
Blazing.
dan friesen
Let me tell you how it goes, Alex.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right, Alex.
dan friesen
So this was not what I expected to hear this next clip.
This was where I was like, this episode isn't going to be about much.
alex jones
And coming up in the next segment, I am going to detail all of the facts here on Earth and here on this planet dealing with our soils.
unidentified
I was like, hold on now.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
All of the facts on Earth dealing with soils.
dan friesen
I was like, what have we gotten ourselves into?
jordan holmes
All right, okay.
dan friesen
We are now going to sit here and learn everything there is to know on this planet about soil.
jordan holmes
The past used to be quaint, but like 80 years in the past.
Now 2013 is like, oh, look at you guys.
You guys are so cute in the past.
dan friesen
Alex.
jordan holmes
You guys are having a great time.
dan friesen
I don't want to learn about soil.
unidentified
I don't want you to teach me about soil.
jordan holmes
Again, I would greatly prefer this.
Look, we've got a man singing and talking about soils.
That's just a regular show.
That's just a regular show.
dan friesen
I was very confused when he said that.
And he doesn't really follow through with that, but soil is a topic of conversation more than normal.
Alex gets into talking about scurvy in this next split.
Okay.
Talking about the FDA.
alex jones
If you go on and do research, you learn that the FDA has continued to lower the minimum daily allowance of what they say you need of vitamin C, vitamin D, vitamin E, vitamin K. I'm going to get Dr. Mercola on about this.
unidentified
Don't do that.
alex jones
Wake if you can get him on.
jordan holmes
Get him on.
Gonna need him.
alex jones
Or Dr. Blaylock, all these medical doctors.
Got to get Dr. Nutritionist on all day long.
They have lowered the level of vitamin C down to near scurvy-inducing levels where you just start having rot holes in your skin and your skin basically falls apart and you prematurely age.
How many people do you see who you talk to?
A 50-year-old woman looks like they're 100.
You go, let me guess, do you ever eat fruits and vegetables?
unidentified
No, I know.
alex jones
I eat at McDonald's.
I mean, that's why they literally all have rot holes in their arms.
They have scurvy.
I've talked to the nutritionist.
They get on vitamin C in a month.
The holes in their arms are all healed.
dan friesen
So, firstly, I don't think that this hypothetical person that Alex is impersonating who only eats McDonald's would have their behavior affected too greatly by an altered FDA recommendation.
I'm pretty sure that no one would say, I only eat McDonald's because the FDA said that was a good idea.
I follow their advice.
unidentified
I used to eat all the fruits and vegetables, but then they lowered the vitamin C limit.
So I'm like, I'll just eat at McDonald's forever now.
dan friesen
Obviously, if your diet doesn't include anything that has vitamin C in it, you could end up in bad health.
But for most people, you get what you need without supplementation.
An article in the Journal of the College of Family Physicians of Canada explored a slight re-emergence of scurvy cases in 2008.
From the article, quote, in a retrospective chart review conducted at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, New York, in Scottsdale, Arizona from 1976 to 2002, 10 of 12 scurvy cases were related to alcohol abuse, illicit drug use, and psychiatric disorders.
There are a ton of foods that people eat regularly, even things you can buy at McDonald's that have vitamin C in them.
If you're having a specific problem that might be caused by a vitamin deficiency, it might be a good idea to speak to a dietician and see if there's something you're missing.
What is not a great angle is to imagine that you have a problem, and the reason must be that you're not taking enough of something, so you need supplements.
That's the fear that Alex is exploiting here in order to try and create feelings of deficiency in his audience's mind that he can then come in and solve when for most people, there's no deficiency to begin with.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
I mean, if you are a 17th century privateer, then yes, I agree.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Do not eat at McDonald's all the time.
That's a terrible idea.
dan friesen
And suck on that Lyme.
jordan holmes
Yeah, get some limes going.
That's the plan.
Right.
dan friesen
I mean, it's one of those things.
It's like, yes, there are dietary deficiencies that are, you know, not as rampant as Alex wants people to think, but some people do have nutritional deficits.
And to the extent that that is real for some people, sometimes supplementation can help.
Sometimes dietary changes can be enough to get you into better health.
But what he's doing here is exploitative and predatory.
jordan holmes
And not least of which is, once again, putting the blame upon a depressed economic sector as being like, well, why don't you guys eat all your fruits and vegetables?
You guys are just eating at McDonald's all the time, discounting the fact that so many places are fucking calorie poor that there's really not much option.
We can't all go to fucking Whole Foods.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
That's true.
Although I don't think it's fair for you to say that.
It seems like that's what Alex is saying, but that's not entirely what he's saying.
jordan holmes
No, it's not fair.
dan friesen
He's saying that the globalists are ruining the soil, which is why he wants to do this long lecture.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
Everything there is to know about soil.
jordan holmes
Where is that?
I will give him multi-dimensional.
dan friesen
Not just blaming people who can't afford maybe more expensive food and live in a food desert or something like that.
He doesn't even unpack that necessarily.
That's kind of unexamined territory.
This is more about the fact that just nutrients are gone from food.
jordan holmes
They're taking it away from food.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so Alex gets into this.
It is all because of an article that he read about.
They did some studies and they found that basically most people don't need supplements.
You don't really need people.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There are some people who it could be helpful to, but largely speaking, there are some supplements that have things that if you take too much of them, it can hurt you.
Totally.
And most people, through a proper diet, don't need them.
jordan holmes
And upon publishing that research, the billion-dollar industry of supplements went, oh no, we're useless.
I guess we'll just stop.
dan friesen
Nope.
They instead decided to misrepresent things.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's smart.
dan friesen
The way Alex is selling this, and he has a really tough time even committing to this angle because it's such bullshit.
He's just saying that, like, oh, the FDA has come out and said you don't need vitamins.
jordan holmes
All right, that's fair.
That's fair.
dan friesen
Too big a swing.
Too big a swing.
alex jones
Yesterday, they roll out with a huge PR blitz that vitamins and minerals do nothing, and basically the case is closed.
And on CNN, CBS, ABC, Fox, MSNBC, everything.
My local paper has it in there.
National papers, just everywhere.
Case closed.
You don't need any vitamins, any minerals, any supplements.
dan friesen
So he's presenting this as like the FDA has come out and say, fuck vitamins.
jordan holmes
fuck minerals when in reality you only need to eat rocks like a like a bird You put them in your gullet.
It helps digest the nothing.
dan friesen
We'll be damned.
We had no idea, but we looked into it.
And you should eat paper and only paper.
jordan holmes
Listen, turns out air.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Air.
jordan holmes
That's all you need.
dan friesen
Aeritarians.
jordan holmes
Do you know what the problem is?
You're not chewing when you breathe.
That's why you don't get the vitamins in the air.
dan friesen
Everybody just needs to chew.
Yep, that is an innovation of 2013.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, I think it's pretty obvious what he's misrepresenting.
And it's so transparent that as he goes through the episode, he has to cop to the fact that what they're saying is if you have a proper diet, you don't need supplements.
jordan holmes
Right.
But what they mean is that vitamins are nothing.
dan friesen
So then he has to extend it to like, oh, yes, but it's impossible to have a diet that gets you all the supplements, the nutrients that you need.
And it's just like, okay, this is falling apart as you talk more, but it's clear.
It's a transparently clear thing.
It's like, all right, you run a supplement business.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
This is why you're doing this.
Very interesting.
All right.
jordan holmes
Did you know that until they created vitamin supplements, all humans died?
It's true.
alex jones
It's just true.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, after all humans have died.
jordan holmes
Okay, well, there's that.
Okay, you're right.
But the FDA caused those deaths.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So apparently, I don't know how true this is.
I didn't look into this because I just decided to accept it as possibly true and move along.
The idea that the FDA has lowered the allowance or the amount you should get of certain things.
I believe that's possible.
I would say that it's entirely possible that further research has shown like, you don't need this amount.
You should have about this amount.
I think that's possible.
jordan holmes
People revised the food pyramid.
We grow.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
More access to more information means better advice.
Now, the reason that I kept this clip in is because Alex is trying to come up with examples of things they've lowered the recommended amount of.
He fucking trips over his own feet.
alex jones
They've lowered the daily allowance of what you need, the government says, of things like vitamin C and things like oil of oregano down to a level that literally starvation, according to the medical doctors we've interviewed here.
dan friesen
So you got two examples.
One of them is vitamin C.
The other is oil of oregano.
jordan holmes
Did you know I used to take so much oil of oregano?
dan friesen
I used to mainline that.
You had a weird period in your life.
unidentified
You could have actually been an essential oils guy.
jordan holmes
I don't remember three years.
Those three might be those.
dan friesen
Those are your ore.
jordan holmes
Those are my oil of oregano.
Until the FDA lowered the limit, I was blind out of my mind.
dan friesen
I will say, I don't know if oil of oregano is something that everyone needs in their daily routine.
unidentified
Is it, I think?
dan friesen
In the same way that vitamin C is, definitely.
Yeah, oil of oregano is a real thing.
jordan holmes
Is it?
He might have made that up.
dan friesen
No, it's one of these essential oils.
It's in the category with the FDA of things that are like, generally, it doesn't hurt you.
Sure.
So I don't think it's controlled by the FDA because it's just sort of like, yeah, it's fine.
jordan holmes
Because the supplement industry is like, we're going to give you a million dollars to leave us alone.
dan friesen
It's a tell that's on Alex's list.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Vitamin C and oil of oregano.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You couldn't just come up with another vitamin.
jordan holmes
I 11.
Say B11.
No one's going to follow up.
alex jones
Iron.
jordan holmes
Nobody even knows if B11 is a thing.
dan friesen
So Alex gets to talking about salt.
Hey, he's so stupid.
alex jones
And if you're watching on TV, you can look at this or just go to the local supermarket and go look at any major salt that isn't naturally occurring.
The natural ones have good iodine and other trace minerals.
Hey, look at them.
jordan holmes
Come on now.
alex jones
It says this salt does not supply iodine a necessary nutrient.
Says it right.
And why is that?
Because the feds pressured him in the 20s.
Iodine in the salt because of literally millions of people being born mentally retarded from not having iodine in the womb, which is on record will cause all sorts of problems and lower IQs after birth.
And goiter, that's people that look like their job of the hut with just huge things hanging under their necks, where you look like a human worm.
Africa's devastated by this.
China's devastated by it.
China, in many areas, puts iodine in the water so this doesn't happen because it's just a plague of diseases and degenerative problems.
Now, that's a fact.
The feds by the 70s basically said, remove it or we'll come after you.
Remove iodine in the 2009 salt.
Isn't that loving of them?
dan friesen
So the feds in the 70s were like, that iodine out of the salt.
jordan holmes
We've been fighting you since the 20s.
We got the untouchables over here who had to switch things up.
Now, finally, in the 70s, under the Carter administration, which Alex hates desperately.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
But also, the Chinese are putting iodine in their water to keep this from happening, which is good, but they put fluoride in their water, which is bad.
So you never know.
dan friesen
I mean, look, iodine deficiency is like a real problem.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we've discussed this.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, totally.
But here's the thing: the reason that that salt that Alex has from McCormick's, you know, he's rambling about this.
The reason it doesn't have iodine in it is because it's sea salt.
You'll find the same warnings on containers of Morton sea salts, as well as just about any sea salt that you're going to find on the market.
The reason for this is that sea salt and table salt are produced differently.
And because of how the sea salt market operates, it's a product that generally is subject to as little processing as possible.
The salt comes from evaporating water, which leaves flakes of salt, which retain some of the minerals and characteristics of the source that they come from.
Table salt, conversely, is generally the product of mining salt deposits.
And it's a much less niche product.
So it can have iodine added easily in the processing stages, and it generally still does.
If you go buy any table salt, it'll almost always be iodized salt.
But sea salt generally isn't.
I agree with Alex in as much as maybe there should be better messaging to the world that sea salt doesn't contain iodine.
But I'm not sure I can go along with his imagining that this confusion is leading to any kind of large-scale iodine deficiency in the United States because it's just not.
jordan holmes
Every day I'm walking around in all these hipster neighborhoods.
Even in Wrigleyville, you walk around, you have all these people wondering why they've got iodine deficiencies.
You can't go to a bar and get iodized salt, Dan.
All bars, sea salt covered.
Sea salt covered.
You have a margarita?
unidentified
Sea salt.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, to an extent, there is a reality that sea salt became a bit of a craze.
Sure.
And it probably did have at least some effect on iodine levels.
Now, I'm not positive if it reached any kind of crisis point, but it is a factor.
And if people aren't careful and only eat sea salt.
Right, right.
jordan holmes
You get a tulip problem.
You're in Denmark all over again.
dan friesen
The reality is also salt, that's not the only thing that provides iodine.
You can eat seafood, milk, yogurt, eggs, even some breads, and get all the iodine that you need to maintain proper health.
There are definitely serious problems that can occur from iodine deficiency, and it's a problem that's important in the developing world, particularly.
But this is not an issue the way Alex makes it out to be, particularly not for his audience.
Again, this is an example of Alex working to try and convince his audience that there's something wrong with them that they didn't even realize, which he can provide the solution to.
Because I know that his business model relies heavily on selling iodine supplements.
It's hard not to see this as an intentionally predatory act.
Like he's going through all this stuff about health things, and so much of it is just convincing his audience that there's an underlying problem they didn't know they had that he could provide a placebo solution for.
And it's pretty shitty.
jordan holmes
Yeah, taking advantage of it.
Everybody feels bad sometimes, taking advantage of that and just giving them this like, nah, no, no, no.
What it really is is your iodine deficiency.
You can eat all this salt.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That'll do it for you.
Put this supplement down your gullet and you won't feel depressed.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex claimed, you know, he said that he's going to tell us everything in the world there is to know about soil.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And he doesn't really, but he does mention an article.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's close.
alex jones
So let me show you some of the articles.
Let me show you the facts.
Number one, dirt poor.
This is the Scientific American because you get some good studies out there.
Dirt poor.
Have fruits and vegetables become less nutritious?
And they go on to break down major studies going back in the last hundred years from the University of Texas at Austin Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry in the Journal of the American College of Nutrition and Agriculture Nutritional Data from 1950 to 1999 with 43 different fruits and vegetables.
And then looking at studies before that and what is in them metrically by numbers, real studies, they are debilitated in some cases by 98% vitamins, minerals.
dan friesen
I have no idea where Alex is getting those numbers from because they aren't in that Scientific American article.
This is an article that's part of their column Earth Talk, where readers can send in questions, which their writers will then answer.
This question had to do with whether or not fruits and vegetables were more nutritious 50 years ago.
And as it turns out, the answer is yes, but probably not to the extent Alex is reporting.
The article cites an analysis by the Cushy Institute, which found that there was a 27% drop in calcium levels in 12 fresh vegetables they studied, as well as a 37% drop in iron, 21% drop in vitamin A, and 30% drop in vitamin C.
jordan holmes
Oh, did they finally get off their ass and do a study?
dan friesen
Wow.
Experts believed that this was a result of focusing on agricultural practices that are meant to expand yield and crop size while ignoring processes that could be done that would enrich soils.
The article discusses ways to push back against this, like alternating fields between growing seasons and embracing organic growing methods in order to rehabilitate soils.
Scientific American actually revisited this topic in 2018 to discuss new findings in the research.
As it turns out, a new paper had been published in the journal Scientific Advances, which found that, quote, concentrations of essential nutrients decreased in 18 strains of rice after being exposed to increased carbon dioxide levels in the experiment.
jordan holmes
Okay, so climate change.
dan friesen
From the Scientific American article, quote, Agricultural scientists have known for some time that our food has been getting less nutritious, but they thought it was only due to a byproduct of modern farming methods, soil overuse, which leads to mineral depletion, or breeders favoring high-yield varieties, which sacrifices nutrition for size.
Meanwhile, plant researchers working over the last couple of decades were finding something surprising, that elevated carbon dioxide also contributes to lowering mineral content in plants.
The plant and agricultural scientists each had pieces of the puzzle, but no one put two and two together to fully explain the nutrient depletion phenomenon until recently.
There's some evidence emerging that a large factor in nutrient decline in soils and plants has to do with excess CO2.
The plants need CO2 to grow in the same way we need calories, but if we have too many calories, we become less healthy.
There are some who are suggesting that the same is true for plants and CO2.
There are real issues here, and there are issues that are particularly important, again, for people in the developing world.
But Alex doesn't care about any of the real-world aspects of this.
unidentified
Oh, no.
dan friesen
He's using this as a prop to sell his supplements.
And it becomes really clear because Anthony Gucciarti comes in, and it's all just a fucking infomercial.
alex jones
Okay, so I've gone over some of that for you.
Anthony Gucciarti is coming in now just to cover a few of the angles.
And obviously, I promote and sell vitamins and minerals that I've used, that I believe in, that have done wonders in my life.
And everybody that's used them, you've heard the calls, not one negative call on our proprietary nasiniodine.
It's blown away.
Of course it is.
dan friesen
This is insane, man.
This is like an hour of his show is spent with this weird, like, I'm going to tell you all about the soil, which is all a prelude to getting into talking with Anthony Gucciarti, which is all just an infomercial for his supplement line.
jordan holmes
Man, I was shocked.
That's synergy.
That's really naked capitalism, you know?
dan friesen
I was shocked by it because it's like a lot of this show.
It's a lot.
I was shocked because it's simultaneously more appropriate and crasser.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's both compared to how Alex markets things today.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's so, very pretending to not be an ad while it's an ad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But there's less like desperation to it.
That's the weird balance, the similarity and the difference.
jordan holmes
There is, it is almost more like skating by back then than it is now just absolute like, I need money.
I need money.
I need money.
And back here, they're kind of like almost giving you a little wink, like, hey, listen, if you don't want to take your vitamins, that's fine.
You're going to die all the time if you listen to what the FDA says.
And I'm going to talk about that for the next hour.
dan friesen
I think you can also see.
jordan holmes
Also, you're going to need to buy these vitamins from somewhere.
So I'm going to talk about where you can buy them from for the next hour.
dan friesen
I think you can also see how it would probably be more profitable, too.
Like, I have to imagine he's making more money on this matter.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, like I said, this is all just an infomercial.
alex jones
You know, there's one reason I tend to get madder and madder as a three-hour show goes on each day.
jordan holmes
I don't like to work.
alex jones
And that's because I'm looking at the federal, state, and university studies on the soils being 99% debilitated.
I'm looking at the brain damage numbers in utero of the humans developing and then after.
I'm waiting in the documentation.
They're taking the good stuff out of the food and putting the bad stuff in it.
dan friesen
This is just all like narratives and little darts he's throwing in order to lead people down the path to his supplements.
It's just disgraceful.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I'm not even going to play any clips of Gucci already in there because it's basically what you'd expect.
It's just, you know, how like when we went back to 2015, we were looking at it, and Dr. Group would come in for like an hour and they'd talk about it's the same thing.
jordan holmes
It's the, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So Gucci already leaves and Alex starts rambling and he's talking about how everyone's stupid.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And man, like this just felt unnecessarily cruel.
unidentified
Our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S. or should help South Africa.
It should help Diarak and the Asian countries.
So we will be able to build up our future for our children.
alex jones
Thank you very much.
And listen, I'm going to tell you the deal.
She's a very beautiful young lady.
I don't find her attractive.
A beautiful woman that is smart, very attractive.
That is, that woman is so ugly.
And you know, she'll end up being a trophy wife for some globalist executive who stole all their money.
That's what he wants.
A wife that is literally nothing but a biological android sex bot who can't tie her shoelaces.
dan friesen
Alex is complaining about people being dumb, so he plays that clip of the contestant from the Miss Teen USA pageant who gave that unfortunately incoherent answer to a question she was posed on stage.
I have a number of problems with this.
The first is that this woman was 18 years old and on a huge stage, being asked a question that she clearly didn't understand and she had to respond to quick.
Sure, it was a bad meandering answer, but it's really cruel to judge someone so harshly for it, considering all the variables.
Any of us on a bad day under a certain amount of stress could end up finding ourselves saying something equally embarrassing.
It's kind of mean to define someone by that embarrassing moment, particularly when it's a person that's so young.
The mockery and shaming about this moment was really severe for this woman.
She said, quote, I definitely went through a period where I was very, very depressed, but I never let anybody see that stuff except people I could trust.
I had some very dark moments where I thought about committing suicide.
Second, this was from the 2007 Miss Teen USA pageant, and this episode of Alex's show is from 2013.
It seems like he's digging pretty far back just to take an unnecessary swing at this woman.
Also, just because it's fun, after this contestant who is South Carolina's Caitlin Upton went viral with this unfortunate answer, and the video of her at the pageant got 15 million views on YouTube, she was signed to a contract with a modeling agency worth up to $30,000 a day.
That modeling agency was owned by Donald Trump, who also owned the pageant at that time.
jordan holmes
We're doing great.
dan friesen
Also, another one of Alex's current heroes, Tucker Carlson, had some particularly unsavory things to say about Miss Upton as well.
Appearing on an episode of Bubba the Love Sponge's radio show, Tucker said, She'd probably be a pretty good wife.
If you had a wife that dumb, would it be a good or bad thing?
Tucker was 38 at the time.
jordan holmes
I don't understand how many 40-year-old white dudes with a giant platform that they can talk to millions of people want to shit on an 18-year-old girl at a teen pageant.
Well, I mean, what are you expecting?
She's at a fucking pageant.
dan friesen
What I think is really interesting is Alex at the end there is like, she's going to end up a trophy wife for some globalist.
And, you know, Tucker Carlson.
jordan holmes
Tucker Carlson.
dan friesen
And now Alex loves Tucker Carlson and loves Donald Trump, who signed her to a contract immediately.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the world is a mat.
It's a mere of old white men shitting all over women.
That's kind of a.
dan friesen
But how weird is that direct line?
Very strange.
I swear I'm not a witch.
jordan holmes
What's the point?
dan friesen
So Alex has another guest.
Sure.
He had Gucci already.
He had the Gucci.
To talk of just selling shit.
And now he has another guest, which is also just another person that Alex makes money off of.
jordan holmes
Ted Anderson with a mustache?
No.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
We're joined for the balance of the hour by Matt Dubiel, a guy I've had a chance to meet a couple times in Austin.
He's had us on for a couple years now on his fine station he manages, WCKG, in Chicago, 1530, WCKG.com.
They got a power-packed lineup there.
dan friesen
Alex says his Chicago affiliate guy, the guy who owns the radio station on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Dubius Dubel.
Come on.
Hey.
It's always nice to hear WCKG.
Because then I think, you know, I think a Serengeti song, favorite actor Denny.
Come on.
dan friesen
Sure.
Matt Dubier or Dubiel is someone who has shown up over years on Alex's show.
He's somebody who just periodically will pop in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we've talked about him in the past.
dan friesen
I think his station is actually one of the it might be literally the only station I could find in the country that plays Owen Schroyer and David Knight's shows.
unidentified
Really?
dan friesen
I think it might be the only affiliate now.
I don't know if now, but the last time I looked into it, like six months ago or so.
Wow.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Dubel.
dan friesen
Yeah, this guy sucks.
I guess the premise is that he's supposed to be on to talk about what life is like under Rahm Emanuel.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
I mean, bad.
I don't know.
dan friesen
He lives in the burbs.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I don't care about his perspective on local politics, but he does say a couple interesting things.
matt dubiel
You know, it's like you said, there's a lot of good things about Chicago.
I went to the Bears game the other night, Monday night football, and Ditka's number was retired, and it was a big deal.
And I had free tickets, so we went.
There was nobody there.
No one.
Now, it was cold.
It gets cold here in Chicago.
But that doesn't typically stop Chicago Bear fans from going to Chicago games.
I saw the same thing happen at the Cleveland-Pittsburgh game the other day, where the Pittsburgh Stadium was darn near empty.
Well, why is that?
Why is it that all of the storefronts that are for lease, the retail spaces, are empty?
Something is going on, and it's not by accident, I don't think.
Chicago's starting to feel a lot like Detroit these days.
dan friesen
So this was a Monday night game on December 9th, 2013.
The attendance at that game, no one was there, according to Matt Dubiel.
The attendance was 62,209.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but Soldier Field fits 80,000, I believe.
dan friesen
Give or take.
jordan holmes
So that's practically nobody.
dan friesen
That wasn't the highest attendance for the season, but it's higher than the first three games of the season, the first two of which were at home games in Chicago.
His number of attendance is right about average for the past 12 years, at least.
There's nothing discernible that's out of the ordinary about the turnout for that football game.
I kind of think maybe one of Matt's friends just didn't want to go with him, and this is how he's processing it.
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
According to the Chicago Tribune, it was eight degrees that night with a start time of 740.
jordan holmes
Balmy eight degrees, though.
dan friesen
That factor alone could explain the 1,000, 2,000 less people.
jordan holmes
They stupid eight degrees, Danny.
dan friesen
Also, the average attendance at Detroit Lions games is actually higher than the Bears games.
So I don't know what he's saying about Detroit.
jordan holmes
Anyway, I'm such a huge fan of how uncurious these people are.
Why are you asking so many eminently answerable questions only to imply something instead of actually looking for an answer?
And that was a question that was an implication that I already know the answer.
dan friesen
You see the empty seats, and you're like, there's no one here.
Instead of thinking, like, maybe it's really hard to sell out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
80,000 is a lot of people that get in any one place when it's 8 degrees out.
When it's 8 degrees out.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Like that was almost even like him calling out Chicago's identity as like, oh, Bears fans aren't even real Bears fans anymore.
Like, screw you.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't care.
dan friesen
He's from the Burbs.
jordan holmes
Also, you shouldn't be a Bears fan anymore, and NFL is evil.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
Etc.
dan friesen
So Matt takes his kids on road trips.
They go drive across the country, which I can relate to.
I've gone across the country a number of times.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's fun.
dan friesen
He complains about some stuff here.
matt dubiel
I've got kids ranging from 11.
My youngest is going to be two in February.
unidentified
Yes.
matt dubiel
Every year we take a summer road trip.
We drive around the country, the great United States of America.
And the last two years, we did a loop-to-loop.
We went through Ohio and we went down to Nashville.
And this last summer, we went to New Jersey and back.
And as we drove through, I saw firsthand the America that most of us don't see.
Most of the people in Austin don't see it.
We live in very privileged areas.
The rest of the country looks like a bomb fell on it.
The rest of the country looks like it's third world.
The rest of the country is decapitated.
It's completely destroyed.
You got billboards where companies just stopped advertising on them because nobody's driving down that highway.
The paper's blowing in the wind.
And I'm driving through there and I'm thinking to myself, my gosh, boy, when my grandparents took my father and his brothers and sisters around the country to the Grand Canyon and stuff, there was the majesty and the wonderment of traveling down Route 66 and seeing these great little shops and these great little restaurants and these great diners.
Where is it?
I don't know where it is.
dan friesen
I got a couple things to say about this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
These are the guys who are supposed to be like LA and New York elites think everything is flyover country.
You're like, everywhere in America looks like there was a bomb on it.
jordan holmes
It's a nightmare.
Everywhere but the flyover states are disgusting.
Come on down to Chicago.
Super weird.
Love Chicago.
matt dubiel
Burbs.
dan friesen
Super weird for this guy to have that approach.
And now it's about, yeah, totally.
So my first point that I want to make is that this dude's purely talking about the aesthetic view that he's captured from driving along interstate highways.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Sure, things look pretty bleak if all you're seeing are old billboards and like out-of-date gas stations, but that isn't the full picture of the other America.
There's a whole lot that's just a little ways off those highways that's vibrant, which you totally miss if you're only seeing what's right next to the road.
Maybe the fact that those billboards are empty, maybe that's not a sign that no one uses those roads anymore.
Maybe it's a sign that they never should have been built in the first place.
Maybe it's just like, hey, fuck those billboards.
Let's take them down.
jordan holmes
You know, the Chicago School of Economics is insane, but they did use the how many billboards are filled metric of how the United States was doing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
GDP dropped way down.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
It's real bad.
dan friesen
Maybe the fact that there are all these rundown gas stations around is a reflection of how much better our cars are than when those highways were first built.
Maybe you don't need those.
Maybe no one stops at them because we get much better gas mileage.
jordan holmes
Well, you know, stopping every 10 to 12 miles was really good for the local economies.
It was every 10 to 12 miles.
dan friesen
It was.
And that's what Route 66 was.
jordan holmes
That's basically the idea.
dan friesen
It was a huge deal in the early 1900s because it was a road that connected Chicago and California.
But it stopped being nearly as important once other roads began being built and our highway system came into place.
Early on, its dominance as a cross-country road allowed businesses to prosper along it because people had to use it to make that kind of trip.
Ever since the passage of the Interstate Highway Act of 1956, Route 66 has gradually become less important.
And now it's really, you know, just a thing.
There's some stretches of the world.
jordan holmes
Sometimes you go on historic Route 66.
Everybody sees it.
dan friesen
It's been re-adjusted over and over again.
It's not even the same thing it was.
Yes, I just tire of all of these people's hearkening back to a pastor.
jordan holmes
It used to be.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Used to be great, Dan.
dan friesen
It's not a system that would really have any function nowadays.
The idea of prosperous businesses everywhere along a highway is not something that really would exist in the modern world.
jordan holmes
No, it's silly.
dan friesen
It's something that existed because of necessity and opportunity at a time when cars were much less sophisticated and there were less roads.
jordan holmes
And no small amount of resistance to the idea of building railways, cheap, renewable energy railways.
dan friesen
There's a hundred factors to it.
And I don't care about taking seriously the opinion of somebody who is only on this show because he does, he allows Alex to syndicate on his station and makes Alex a bunch of money.
jordan holmes
If you are a right-wing reactionary, Dan, there's one thing that unites all of them: they hate roads.
dan friesen
Yep.
They like the roads of the past.
jordan holmes
Well, yes.
dan friesen
They hate the roads of the future.
jordan holmes
The raids are the roads of the future are terrifying.
dan friesen
So Matt Dubier Dubiel comes and goes.
Now we get another guest.
And this guy sucks.
He's just on to talk about the TPP, the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
And it's actually kind of an illuminating interview, but not because of the interview, but because it happens.
alex jones
Now, let me tell you who William F. Jasper is as he joins us.
He's a graduate of the University of Idaho and joined the staff of the John Birch Society in 1976 as a researcher and current senior editor of the New American.
dan friesen
So the New American is the publication that the American Opinion, which is the original John Birch Society publication, became.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And so this dude is just a big old Bircher from way back.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
Like a high-end Bircher.
And when Alex, like, he likes to pretend that he's not just a John Birch Society guy, but he is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He is 100%.
And whenever Alex interacts with a JBS guy, that comes out like this.
alex jones
And he joins us to break down the de facto world corporate government.
First time I learned about Ace of the 21 in 1992 from William F. Jasper.
First time I learned about the UN and these biospheres, William F. Jasper.
And so he joins us now.
dan friesen
So much of Alex's intellectual lineage very clearly comes from propaganda that was put out by the John Birch Society.
So, I mean, like, it's almost comical to me.
Like, the idea that he knows well enough to pretend most of the time to not really be associated with the John Birchers, but he is.
He is absolutely.
jordan holmes
The first time I heard about William F. Jasper is when my dad was abusing me with his book, and I decided to start reading it immediately following that.
dan friesen
Literary child abuse.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
Yep.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex just makes clear that his lineage traces back directly to the Birch.
alex jones
They're authoritarian dartbags, and the Republican leadership is bought off by them.
That's why we got George P. Bush saying he's a Tea Partier now.
They want to absorb the Tea Party that comes out of the JBS and the New American and Ron Paul and then Alex Jones and everybody else after that.
We're not radicals.
They say we're radicals all day.
They're the radicals usurping our republic.
We sound crazy because we're covering their crazy authoritarian agenda.
jordan holmes
Or.
dan friesen
There's another possibility.
jordan holmes
There's one more.
dan friesen
What do you got?
jordan holmes
They're fucking crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah, there might be wild out there anti-communists.
jordan holmes
They call us radicals.
And just because we believe in all the nonsense John Bircher stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's like, what are you talking about?
John Birch Society.
Makes sense.
dan friesen
Sure.
So, you know, he's like, yeah, they think that we sound crazy because we're talking about their crazy.
And Alex uses a shitty example.
alex jones
If I told you all the crazy stuff about Nero, I'd sound crazy, but I'm not Nero.
I'm telling you what Nero did.
Marrying his horse, everything else.
These power mad nuts must be stopped.
If you order by the 19th, we can guarantee products at InfoWarsLife.com, the Chiapas high-quality coffee, totally organic, my favorite blend now brought to you, and the old free market way to funder operation, the Infowars high-def dash cams, the lowest price you'll find anywhere on the same dash cam.
We bought them in bulk and offer it at the lowest listed retail price anywhere to document what's happening with the police, bureaucrats, wildlife, you name it.
That's an InfoWarsStore.com.
dan friesen
So Alex is selling dash cams in order to keep wild police at bay.
jordan holmes
Got to stop them.
dan friesen
Which is interesting because that's not certainly a concern that he has in the present day, trying to get his audience to wear dash cams in order to protect themselves from police.
Also, I love the idea that it's like, you know, we've got to keep up on wildlife.
Get those dash cams, keep up with wildlife.
jordan holmes
Of course, you want to see some deer.
See how they're doing.
dan friesen
So, also, I should tell you that Nero didn't marry his horse.
jordan holmes
No, that wasn't him.
dan friesen
The incorrect legend about Nero is that he married his mother.
It was Caligula who is said to have made his horse his consort and also tried to make his horse a senator.
But a lot of that is probably not really historically accurate.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Alex can't even keep his ahistorical gossip straight.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Furthermore, specifically, am I completely wrong in thinking that Nero was who the book of Revelations was written specifically about?
dan friesen
People believe that.
jordan holmes
That's about, yeah.
I could be completely wrong, but I think it's an interpretation.
I think it's just interesting that he would specifically bring up talking about how evil and insane Nero was being crazy when his favorite book is talking about how evil and insane Nero was.
dan friesen
One of the things that's also interesting to note is the absence of explicit religious evangelism.
Yeah, there's that.
I mean, it's gone without notice in our conversation so far, but like there is no begging people to accept Jesus on this episode.
jordan holmes
All right, here's what we're going to do.
I am going to tell you all of the facts about soil, specifically the stuff that Jesus died on.
dan friesen
I'm not positive I heard anything about pedophile networks.
I don't think I heard anything about demons instead of the globalists secretly taking orders from trans-dimensional beings.
I heard nothing about the evil trans agenda.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
No explicit homophobia really stuck out to me.
I mean, maybe some mild racism, but like it's Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you would expect that.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's kind of not too surprising.
jordan holmes
I'm starting to think that maybe his wildest stuff now is not so much a view of what's outside so much as a reflection of what's happening to him.
dan friesen
That's very interesting.
I think this is you would say that.
jordan holmes
I'm not a trained psychologist.
dan friesen
Yep.
Well, call Steve Pieczenik, see what he thinks.
jordan holmes
We'll do.
dan friesen
So here, I don't care about this interview with William Jasper, except for the piece of information that comes from it that is really fascinating.
That Alex is keenly aware that a lot of his ideas come from the John Birch Society.
Sure.
And that is where his political roots are.
He knows that.
He pretends it's not the case.
So he's trying to sell things in this interview to like he wants to sell like books by Skousen.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he wants to sell Tragedy and Hope.
Carol Quigley's book that Alex believes lays out all the globalist machinations and all their plans.
He makes a startling admission.
jordan holmes
So he's trying to sell this book.
dan friesen
He has it for sale at InfoWars.
Yeah, you can buy Tragedy and Hope there.
jordan holmes
It's a very large book.
dan friesen
It's 1,100 pages.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, Alex makes a startling admission.
This is in 2013.
He's been on the air since 1995.
So we're clocking in at what is that?
18 years at this point?
alex jones
It's available at InfowarsStore.com.
And then Tragedy and Hope, that's, I don't know, 1,100 pages or so that I see on William F. Jasper's bookshelf on Skype.
You're watching us on TV, where the Georgetown political science professor, Bill Clinton's mentor, who he thanked in the State of the Union, admits they control liberalism, fake conservatism, fascism, and the trilateral commission and all of it is meant to bring in world corporate government.
And that it's only meant to look like there's the illusion of choice in politics.
I'm paraphrasing quotes.
This book, and I've actually read almost the whole thing.
When I say that, I probably read 800 pages of it over the years.
Because, let me not skip over some of the more little factoid inside baseball stuff.
jordan holmes
Factoid.
What?
unidentified
Wait, Inside baseball stuff?
jordan holmes
What are we talking about?
dan friesen
This is supposed to be like the globalist inside master plan.
Shouldn't you be mostly focused on the inside baseball?
jordan holmes
Listen, I'm not really a palace intrigue guy with the globalists.
I'm more of a hard information guy.
dan friesen
From my experience with Alex, this tells me he's read four pages?
jordan holmes
Maybe, maybe?
Maybe.
unidentified
He hasn't read four pages.
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here.
There's a lot of inside baseball.
unidentified
Oh, fuck yourself.
dan friesen
This reminds me of how I always acted about Infinite Jest.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
I've read most of it.
dan friesen
I've read most of it.
unidentified
That means I've read 20 pages, something like that.
dan friesen
I just, I don't know.
I can't do it.
jordan holmes
I think my favorite, the way I view about most of those books is Andy Daly is L. Ron Hubbard, whenever he's like, and you're going to read something from your book.
And he's like, I tried to read it and I could not make height nor hair of it.
That's the way I've always treated those books.
Like, anytime.
dan friesen
But I always wanted to give the impression that I'd read more of it because I felt like it was something that I should have read.
And so I always sort of acted like that.
Whereas, you know, Alex needs to have read all of this.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
There is no excuse why in 1995, Alex wouldn't read it twice.
There's no reason why he wouldn't study this thing.
Like it's the Zapruder film in book form.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's supposed to be the inside revelation of exactly what the globalists are, their plans, their histories, the most important book of all of these.
And Alex in 2013 is saying, I'm almost there.
I might have skipped.
jordan holmes
Gonna get there.
dan friesen
I might have skipped a third of it.
jordan holmes
800 pages over 18 years averages out to about eight words per day.
dan friesen
It is unacceptable.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's just not even that.
dan friesen
It's just straight unacceptable.
There's no way if you're giving this, like, facade that you're supposed to be given, if you're Alex, that you don't say, I've read every word of that book.
Why would you – the only reason to say I've read 800 pages of it is because everyone knows you don't read shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're not going to read it.
dan friesen
You're just trying to make it more believable.
jordan holmes
Yeah, 1,100 is unbelievable.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're trying to make your lie more believable by being like, yeah, I've read most of it.
Much like me, I'm a human being.
jordan holmes
Infinite jest.
Yeah, I'm a human being.
dan friesen
The thing is, I'm admitting that I was lying about reading Infinite Jest.
Alex is lying too.
jordan holmes
What if one of those inside baseball passages is literally Carol Quigley being like, dude, I am totally fucking with somebody.
I don't know who's going to read this book later on.
That guy is fucked.
dan friesen
So that was fun.
I enjoyed that.
That was a really bleak moment.
Confirmation for me about how much Alex is just making sure.
jordan holmes
Which year he's finished it.
dan friesen
I'm going to guess no.
jordan holmes
So seven years on.
I think he's got time.
dan friesen
I think he's not a reader at this point.
And he is much less now.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
But we now get to the Piece du Résistance of this episode, and that is Larry Klayman.
jordan holmes
Hey, buddy.
dan friesen
Alex tees it at the beginning and he pays it off at the end.
unidentified
Freedom Watch USA, John O RG.
alex jones
Larry Klayman was the founder of Judicial Watch.
I remember interviewing him back in the mid-90s right to 2000.
Then when Bush got in, he criticized and sued over unconstitutional activities there.
And now he has really turned up to heat with Obama because it's just the orgy of Constitution violations has become dictator level.
Yes, we're very new is having to admit that.
So he's a real trailblazer, and I'm very thankful that he was able to give us 10 minutes today.
He joins us live.
dan friesen
Alex has to take scraps.
He has to take 10 minutes scraps from Clayman.
jordan holmes
I'm grateful to Larry Klayman.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He loved Larry Klayman back then, man.
This is this, like, I mean, I already kind of knew this, but it's just fun to wallow around in the mud a little bit.
But, like, the turn is serious.
jordan holmes
It's stark.
dan friesen
It's like, I love this guy to the point where, I mean, he's in overdrive, too.
So this is past.
This is past the three-hour mark.
So he's extending the show because Larry could give him 10 minutes.
Yeah, he loves it.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
But there's a reason, and that's because Larry recently got involved in a little bit of a lawsuit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's one of the only times in his career that things have looked kind of good.
jordan holmes
You could say that every day of his career.
He recently got involved in a little bit of a lawsuit.
dan friesen
This one is one that, like, you know how when like Ron Paul won a couple of the caucuses?
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
It had the appearance that, like, the crazies were like, this is our chance, man.
We're going to do it this time.
dan friesen
December 16th, 2013 was that day for Larry Klayman.
alex jones
Here's the headline.
CNN judge NSA domestic phone data mining unconstitutional.
Who brought the case?
Who won it?
When everybody else has been failing?
Larry Klayman.
And then if you continue politicos, as Larry Klayman crows on NSA win, we hit the mother load.
I'm glad he's proud of defending the Republic.
dan friesen
So Klayman had just won this lawsuit titled Klayman versus Obama, which resulted in a judge ruling that NSA bulk surveillance was unconstitutional.
Nothing was done, however, because any kind of injunction was stayed on the assumption that the government would almost certainly appeal.
When this reached the circuit court, the decision was vacated because Klayman couldn't prove that his records were collected, which meant he didn't have standing to bring the complaint.
He was the lawyer and the plaintiff.
jordan holmes
I was hoping it was because he wrote most of that in a very overused crayon.
dan friesen
Larry added someone to the lawsuit who did theoretically have standing, but then in 2017, the district court dismissed the suit entirely.
In 2019, the decision was reaffirmed, and this did not do anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it didn't go anywhere.
dan friesen
No.
But also that program that he was suing over was ended by the time this was going on.
This is just him trying to get attention out of Snowden.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's trying to get some juice.
dan friesen
When Snowden came out with his revelations, Larry filed suit the next day.
He's trying to ride that wave, basically.
And he got pretty lucky here in this 2013 verdict or this decision from the judge.
But with all hindsight, it ultimately was meaningless, but looked really good, which is why Alex is forced to take his scraps.
Because Larry, at this point.
jordan holmes
He's going everywhere.
dan friesen
Well, but I mean, also, if you're someone like Alex at this point, you might have every reason to think like Larry fucking actually got one.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
This could be huge.
jordan holmes
We're on the ground floor of what's going to turn out to be the, yeah.
dan friesen
And it ultimately was nothing.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Larry Clayman did nothing.
He's an embarrassment.
And in June 2020, he had his license to practice law suspended for 90 days, which unfortunately, Jordan, could get in the way of his $20 trillion lawsuit against China.
jordan holmes
I don't think so.
dan friesen
Over COVID-19.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he didn't lose his license to practice law in China.
I'm sure that it can still work.
dan friesen
I have no idea.
I don't think that's going to go anywhere.
Anyway, here's Larry talking about, he's humble.
He's staying ground.
jordan holmes
Doesn't sound right.
unidentified
I'm not equating myself with Jesus Christ.
I'm not in his league office.
alex jones
No, but I'm holding you up for somebody that took action and won.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I love the idea that Larry is like, hey, I'm not comparing myself to Jesus Christ, but and then Alex is like, no, I'm holding you up as an example of someone who Alex is pushing back on Larry, not comparing himself to Jesus.
jordan holmes
You know, it's almost, it seems more egotistical and narcissistic to compare yourself to Jesus Christ.
But I'm really glad he didn't go with Rosa Parks here or Martin Luther King Jr.
This is where they do it.
This is where they take that shot where they're like, I'm going to steal Rosa Parks.
It's way more insane for them to try and steal Rosa Parks.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Jesus didn't really do much.
dan friesen
Wait a second.
He just wait a second.
jordan holmes
Those miracles are mad.
dan friesen
It's a matter of perspective.
jordan holmes
That guy just had some dirt in his eyes.
dan friesen
Okay, come on, man.
I know you're on Lenny Bruce mode over here trying to take down.
jordan holmes
Coming for him.
dan friesen
He's so edgy, Jordan, with your anti-religious material.
unidentified
That's what I've been banking on.
dan friesen
So I don't care about Larry's appearance much because it's just him being like, yeah, I'm pretty great.
I'm pretty great.
And we're very excited to keep going and we're going to take Obama out.
Whatever.
It all didn't work out in hindsight.
But there's one last clip, and that's just to really bring home the fun of Alex just loving Larry Clayman and knowing in the present day, Larry is trying to destroy Alex and Infowars.
alex jones
They don't like him because he really believes in what he's doing.
And none of us are perfect, but he really believes in what he's doing, and he's a good guy.
Has a lot of courage.
dan friesen
That's what you say when someone is on the right team for you at the time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He's a great guy.
dan friesen
He's got a lot of courage.
jordan holmes
Piece of shit.
I hope he dies tomorrow.
Don't care.
Don't care.
Let him on fire.
dan friesen
Roger yelling at him in a deposition about the computers.
And where's the list, Larry?
Larry, just fucking go into town on him.
So that brings us to the end of this.
It was a really interesting thing to go into because it's so trivial in a lot of ways.
Going back into this 2013 episode, there's like it's mostly an infomercial for his supplements couched under the guise of a the soil's bad.
Yeah, yeah.
And then you've got these weird interviews with his station guy from Chicago, the John Birch weirdo, and Larry Klayman.
jordan holmes
Boyell, Jasper, and Klayman.
dan friesen
Dubier.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Dubier.
That's it.
dan friesen
Yeah, and so it, but none of them rise to the level of like really interesting.
Like even the interview, like the interview with Matt Dubier, Dubiel, I just would scrap.
Like, I don't care.
I don't care about you doing interviews with someone who airs your show.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's useless.
jordan holmes
No, that's terrible.
dan friesen
The Anthony Gucciarti is like, this is just brokered programming, basically, for your supplement line.
The Jasper interview, you know, just fill in the blank with any conservative yelling about TPP.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not really that interesting.
And then Larry Clayman's just embarrassing.
But it is a nice retreat.
It's a nice reprieve from the present day of Alex being a depressed husk of a person.
jordan holmes
And calling for outright murder.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, and lying about things that have such a real-world impact on our lives.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like, well, maybe not actually, but the topics do.
Like, we are living in a time that is our lives are touched and affected by things like the Black Lives Matter protests.
The conversation that's happening around those is really relevant and it matters.
The COVID-19 situation and whether or not people take things seriously and adhere to some limited measures.
That's important.
It's relevant.
It touches our lives.
And it becomes really difficult to have a show that's as lighthearted and fun as I want it to be a lot of the time because it's like, hey, tomorrow, any number of people who listen to this show, someone might get hurt indirectly by something that we're talking about.
Like someone could get COVID-19 or someone could have a loved one who could get sick and maybe unfortunately have a difficult case.
And it's really hard to not have that in your mind when we're hearing him lie about those sorts of topics.
And so it can be kind of nice to look back on this time that has a little bit less stakes to it.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Man singing, talking about soil.
That's great.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's great.
dan friesen
And you still have to do it.
And you're still allowed to learn a little bit.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
Like we can learn about the evolving understanding of nutrient deficiency in soils.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Sure.
So it's worth it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
As far as the time capsule goes, it is both nice now to have the time capsule of look at us in the present, looking back at 2013 and being like, oh, that's right.
I remember the show that I signed up to cover.
dan friesen
A little bit.
jordan holmes
I signed up to cover Weirdo John Bergers and soil takes, more or less.
And then in the future, maybe we'll get back to that.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And it does make me realize that there should be more time.
Being able to flash back a little bit is kind of restorative in some ways.
Yeah, yeah.
And, you know, we'll do more.
I don't know.
We'll see.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we'll see.
dan friesen
A happy birthday, theoretically.
I don't know if Robert's going to play this for you on your birthday, V, but if he does, happy birthday.
And I'd like to say thank you to Robert for being a fan of the show.
We appreciate and allowing us to not to be overly maudlin, but to do this.
This is very weird, and I appreciate it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Happy 18th chalk mark on your cave wall.
Maybe.
It's nice to know that we can all celebrate that together.
dan friesen
And then, oh, yeah, the other thing I would say is: sorry, that like, I think part of the idea that Robert had was that, you know, get a sense of what was going on on the world on Fee's birthday.
Yeah.
And I don't think we know that.
jordan holmes
No, that's not what we're here for.
dan friesen
I think from looking at Alex's show, we have very little idea what was going on in the world at the time.
jordan holmes
None.
dan friesen
We know that Larry Klayman just won a case.
That's about it.
Sorry, we can't provide more insight, but Alex doesn't always do a great job.
Also, Google has robots.
jordan holmes
Google does have robots.
No matter what era of Alex we're looking at, you're going to learn a lot more about an alternate present than you are about anything that has to do with your life.
dan friesen
So anyway, if you're listening in the present, we'll be back.
Makes no sense to do plugs because by the time this episode is used for its proper purposes, we'll have taken over Google's robots and we'll be commanding.
You have to assume Facebook and Twitter are going to be gone by then.
Sure, sure.
So anyway, we'll see you next time here on the podcast.
But until then, I'm a juicy ice cube.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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