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June 24, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#448: June 21-22, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss Alex Jones' triumphant (horrible) return to studio after his vacation. In this installment, Alex insists that Trump's Tulsa rally was actually a big success, gets really sloppy about making up details about stories, and repeatedly prays for the deaths of his imagined enemies.

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alex jones
18:09
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dan friesen
01:05:01
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jordan holmes
17:51
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donald j trump
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unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
Riddler.
I need money.
Riddler.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, buddy.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around and drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan!
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is that I got myself a little housewarming gift.
jordan holmes
Oh, did you?
dan friesen
I ordered some hot sauces, and they came.
They're very, very, very hot.
They're hot.
jordan holmes
Yes, they're very hot.
dan friesen
I wanted to actually make you eat some of them, just because I think it would be really funny.
jordan holmes
So that means they're painful.
dan friesen
Yeah, I thought it would be really funny, because you're not much of a sauce or heat person, and I thought it would be really fun for the show, for everybody.
I get to watch you or listen to you try to deal with some of these sauces.
jordan holmes
How spicy is it?
Spicier than a Wendy's spicy chicken nugget?
dan friesen
Yes, very.
jordan holmes
Too spicy for me, my friend.
dan friesen
They're very hot.
I got two sauces from Torchbearer, which is a hot sauce maker that I really like.
They had the Zombie Apocalypse, which I enjoyed, so I got the Son of Zombie, which is a milder, better...
Some of the reviews were saying it had a better flavor.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
I'm 50-50 on it.
jordan holmes
Like Son of the Mask didn't have a...
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was milder.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Jamie Kennedy.
I also got their Carolina Reaper one, which is very...
It has a lot of ignition.
It hits you very fast.
The ramp is steep.
jordan holmes
You know, the thing that makes me want to try hot sauce is the many varied ways that you describe how the tastes hit you, which is very fascinating to me.
However, at the same time, what I'm realizing is that that's a lot like...
People telling me all about the different ways they can punch me.
You know, like, oh, that's very interesting that you can punch my nose as well as my throat.
dan friesen
You have to get used to or enjoy the heat in order to get the subtleties of it, and some people don't enjoy that, so they won't ever enjoy the things that some other people do.
I also got one from Adobo Loco, which is, it's like a Hawaiian company, I believe.
Their sauce was called Maui no Ka 'oi, which is something that I remember people yelling at me back then.
Back when I used to live in Hawaii, which means Maui is the best.
jordan holmes
Go to hell, white man?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, sorry.
dan friesen
There's a lot of pride about the island of Maui.
And living on Oahu, there was a lot of people who were like, that's where you gotta go.
jordan holmes
That's where you gotta go.
dan friesen
That's the most beautiful island.
And we went to Maui, and it was gorgeous.
It was fantastic.
But I mean, all the islands have their own charms.
jordan holmes
And the people know Hawaii for positive things, generally speaking.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so that Maui no ka 'oi is pretty good.
jordan holmes
Is it pretty good?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's not nearly as hot as the others.
jordan holmes
More tangy.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No?
Okay.
dan friesen
It just has a good sort of pepper flavor.
All right.
Much thinner.
Much thinner sauce.
Probably would work good as like a marinade or something.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So anyway, that's my bright spot is I got some really hot sauces.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's nice.
For me, I had to drive all the way down to Orland Park.
It was a disaster.
I had to fix my partner's car.
Or I had to have somebody else fix her car.
I cannot do that.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
And it took...
Twice as long as they said.
However, I turned this into a positive because they had perfect grass, lovely trees, sat, laid down, took a nap on the grass.
That's how perfect it is in Orland Park.
dan friesen
That's great.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was amazing.
I haven't been outside and laid out and just saw the sun and all that stuff for forever.
dan friesen
It's been an uncharacteristically cool June in Chicago.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's not been hot yet.
So, yeah, some of these days will be nice for laying on.
jordan holmes
It was great.
It was fantastic.
dan friesen
Glad you got to enjoy that.
jordan holmes
You ever see the sun?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, it's all right.
dan friesen
So, there will be no glimpses of the sun on today's episode, but I'm thrilled.
Ish.
To announce that Alex is back in studio.
jordan holmes
Great, we're back.
dan friesen
Alex has returned from his week of whatever.
jordan holmes
Okay.
No explanation?
dan friesen
No, we'll find out over the course of this episode.
It's disappointing.
unidentified
He was just on vacation.
dan friesen
Well, of course.
But today we're going to be going over June 21st and 22nd, 2020.
I officially declare this my autonomous zone.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
unidentified
That's right.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
No cops allowed in this podcast.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright.
Free food.
Okay.
dan friesen
So, we're going to get down to business on that, but before we do, Jordan, we're going to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
So first, Madison P., thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Madison.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Travis P., thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Travis.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Mario M., thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Mario.
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, all one word, Milton G2.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Milton G2.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Serena with an A. So, S-A-R-E-N-A.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Serena.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Matthew K. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Matthew.
dan friesen
Thank you, Matthew.
Next, M. Schulman.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, M. Schulman.
dan friesen
Thank you, Vincent B. Thank you so much.
You're on our policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Vincent.
dan friesen
Vinny.
And then, all one word, Raven Wild.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Raven Wild.
dan friesen
And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people donated on Elevated Level.
We appreciate that very much.
So, Michael N., thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And good work, boys.
Let me have a wine bottle.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare...
InfoWare on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Michael.
And thank you so much.
Good work, boys.
Let me have a wine bottle.
jordan holmes
Yes.
unidentified
Thank you very much to the both of you.
dan friesen
Nice reference to our early episodes where we offered to autograph wine bottles and send them to people.
jordan holmes
I was wondering if that's what they were referencing.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That was something that I thought was a really great idea.
jordan holmes
It was brilliant.
dan friesen
It is way too expensive to ship wine bottles.
And it's kind of weird.
jordan holmes
Masturbatory?
unidentified
A little bit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
And it was very little interest.
dan friesen
And I realized that the...
The logistics of it were just a nightmare and we couldn't pull it off.
So I apologize.
No one's getting any wine bottles.
jordan holmes
We're going to spend $40 to give you an empty wine bottle.
dan friesen
Right.
I do still have the three first wine bottles from our first three episodes.
jordan holmes
I was wondering.
I wondered if they made the move.
dan friesen
I have wine bottles that I feel like a douchebag because I have empty alcohol bottles.
But those are the three from our first episodes.
I just feel like I'm going to hold on to those and then maybe...
Those can be given to someone way down the line.
jordan holmes
Someday.
Silent auction kind of stuff right there.
dan friesen
For charity.
Yeah, but for now, those are just staying on the mantle.
So, Jordan, like I said, today we got this return of Alex, and it's disappointing.
I mean, he's horrible.
He's a real dick.
Yeah.
And he starts off kind of saying something that got me thinking.
It's wild to me, because, like...
When I listen to Owen Troyer, when he comes in and he does the show, I don't think at all.
I'm not interested.
He's boring as shit.
One minute into Alex being back, he says something and I'm like, well, that's interesting.
At least your brain works in a way that's compelling.
alex jones
We've proven that we have our pulse on exactly what's going on on the planet from a globalist perspective.
I'm standing on a mountaintop next to Lucifer.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I'm not bowed to Lucifer.
I'm not serving Lucifer.
But I'm seeing the same vista and the same horizon as Lucifer.
I am seeing it from the Luciferian perspective.
jordan holmes
Woof.
alex jones
Oh boy.
They don't want their own compartmentalized minions having the big high-level field marshal view.
And those aren't words.
Everyone knows it.
This is the field marshal.
View!
dan friesen
Welcome back, Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, thanks for that.
Thanks for that reintroduction into how stupid you are.
dan friesen
Instead of spending this time explaining where he's been or what's going on, Alex starts his show on Sunday by bragging about how insightful he is and how he likes to take in the view alongside Lucifer.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Alex starts by screwing up the expression finger on the pulse, and in the process, actually kind of describes InfoWars really well.
If you try to take someone's pulse with a part of your body where someone could take your pulse, then you're going to get an inaccurate reading.
When Alex says that InfoWars has their pulse on what's going on on the planet, it kind of does make sense.
jordan holmes
That does kind of make sense, yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is pretending that they're taking the pulse of the world, but in reality, they're just feeling Alex's own internal processes, and then...
That's basically a very, like...
Accidentally correct statement.
jordan holmes
Yeah, now I'm wondering what other kind of idioms could be adjusted for their inverse meaning.
dan friesen
I'm sure there's a hundred.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there has to be a ton.
dan friesen
Beyond that, his metaphor about being on a hill with Lucifer is stupid.
jordan holmes
No, it's great.
dan friesen
If you were on a vista with Lucifer, you would not see things from his perspective.
You might see things physically the same as Lucifer, but just being on the same hill as someone else doesn't give you the same perspective or insight into the things that you're both seeing.
For instance, me and Lucifer could be up on a cliff, and we could both see a car approaching.
Lucifer may know that there's an assassin coming to kill me in that car, which is information I don't have at my disposal.
In this situation, Lucifer and I would see this car physically from the same perspective, but ultimately how we experience the car that we're seeing...
It would be completely different.
jordan holmes
So wait, are you saying that part of that look at things from his perspective is not about the physical looking of it?
dan friesen
No, I think it is.
jordan holmes
But indeed, there's a certain element of experience that goes along with it.
dan friesen
I think in the real world.
But I think for Alex, it's very similar.
Because he can look at documents that you and I could look at as well, but we'd see them very differently.
jordan holmes
I see them from the Luciferian perspective.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
If I have a bunch of documents on a mountaintop, I see the documents the same way that the sun sees the documents, which is...
From above, Dan.
This is airtight logic.
dan friesen
That makes sense.
So, that's interesting.
His brain and the way the thoughts are coming out and being expressed.
I was like, God.
I missed at least that.
Because, like, David Knight, Owen Schroer, all these ding-dongs, they can't...
They're not capable of this kind of language.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, they don't know how to do anything.
dan friesen
Like, Alex is stupid, he's horrible, but at least there's something compelling.
At least there's an interesting thought process that's like, alright, I don't...
I don't know.
It's such a fine line.
Like, I still hate listening to it, but...
jordan holmes
There's a part of me that thinks it's like a tardigrade aspiring to poetry.
Like, it just won't die, but you know it's never gonna get to poetry, man.
It's just never going to, but you wonder.
You wonder.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's...
It's strange, but it's a glass of water in the desert that is Owen Schroer and David Knight.
They are the worst.
That's the best way I can put it.
jordan holmes
They are the worst.
dan friesen
So Alex, he's a couple minutes into his show, maybe a minute and a half, and he's already said that he's up on a mountain with Satan looking at things.
jordan holmes
Yep, hanging out.
dan friesen
And then he just fucking...
He's like, I could start this show in so many different ways.
There's so much big news.
jordan holmes
No, the show's already started, sir.
dan friesen
There's so much big news.
jordan holmes
Sir, the show's already started.
dan friesen
Then he immediately trips over his own foot.
alex jones
So up front, I could have started this broadcast a thousand different ways.
We've got more clips and more news than...
I mean, I could do a thousand hours of this information.
Each little piece could be a riveting whole show.
Every facet, every angle of it.
But I just tried to get folks...
Of the human race.
There is not the races.
There's the human race.
You know how you know a race?
It can breed with itself.
There's breeds of humans.
There's only one race.
dan friesen
That sentence went off the fucking rails.
unidentified
That is off the rails.
dan friesen
So Alex is trying to present himself as a non-racist by saying there are no human races, but then completely shits the bed by saying there are human breeds.
Breed is a term that though based on biology is not a part of the biological taxonomy.
It's not like an animal has a kingdom phylum order and breed.
It's not a term that has any descriptive value in terms of human populations, and honestly, what it implies is something incredibly racist.
jordan holmes
Oh, super gross.
dan friesen
The term breed is not used to describe animals in nature, generally only being used for domesticated animals.
People generally don't call a Bengal tiger and a Siberian tiger different breeds.
They would be called subspecies.
To cite an article from the journal Evolution, Education, and Outreach, quote, breeds arise due to breeders' extreme control of mating to maximize the presence of desired traits in the next generation.
Breeding begets breeds, where human intervention selects for the traits they want in the animals and excludes those they don't want.
jordan holmes
I prefer that words don't mean anything, Dan.
I would prefer that you do.
dan friesen
Stay the fuck out of the Infowars pool, then.
Human populations have been subjected historically to natural selection, whereas domesticated animals are the product of artificial selection.
This is a subject with a fair amount of material you can find if you're interested, but the bottom line is that the argument that the socially determined category we call race is equivalent to breeds of animals...
That's something that has roots in deeply racist ideology historically, and it makes no sense from a scientific perspective.
It's an attempt to link race to inherent traits like intelligence, temperament, and the like, which is a huge talking point of white supremacists historically.
It's really remarkable how Alex is trying to pretend that he's not racist by saying there's no racist, then proceeds to say something ten times more racist.
jordan holmes
Ooh, super racist.
dan friesen
The reason that this happens a lot to him, and we've seen multiple instances of this, is because he's a giant racist.
jordan holmes
He's a huge racist.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's the big explanation for that.
No need to pretend this is a mystery.
jordan holmes
Nope, nope.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
His brain, quite racist.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex gets to what he missed while he was gone.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Sort of.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Saturday, Trumpet is rally in Tulsa.
This show is happening...
How did it go?
There are varying reports on that, I'll say.
One of them is Alex's.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Another is based in reality.
Okay.
Owen Schroer was there, the cuck destroyer.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
He was out and selling t-shirts in the parking lot.
Okay.
Yeah.
Alex and his son, too.
Rex was there.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex was not.
Because he was on vacation.
Yeah, right.
Down at the Gulf of Mexico, I believe.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yep.
But look, here's the thing.
jordan holmes
Violate child labor laws while I go on vacation.
dan friesen
His kid's an adult.
Okay.
Of employable age.
Okay.
This is one of the stories that Alex needs to cover that he missed while he was gone, because pretty important.
Trump looks bad.
Gotta do what I can to make him not look bad.
jordan holmes
Slobber on that boot.
alex jones
We got excerpts of Trump's, one of his most powerful speeches yet last night.
That was not a failure.
It was an extreme victory.
We're going to decipher all of that and so much more on the other side.
dan friesen
To all you people calling this a failure, it was not a failure.
It was an extreme success.
Total victory.
jordan holmes
Now, personally, I feel like...
Using extreme in front of victory makes it kind of very obvious.
An extreme victory would be one that everybody knows is a victory.
dan friesen
Yeah, you'd notice an extreme victory.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's no hiding.
There's no like, oh, deep down and secret it was actually a victory.
dan friesen
There wouldn't be a sort of debate or feelings of...
jordan holmes
It's an extreme victory.
unidentified
Was that a victory?
jordan holmes
Nobody's ever said, like, oh, man, you thought that Battle of Waterloo was a failure, but actually, Napoleon still runs everything.
Extreme victory.
dan friesen
We'll get more into this, because it's something that Alex is pretty preoccupied with, trying to do damage control about the small turnout at the rally, getting mad at K-pop fans.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
We'll get to that when we get to it.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But in this next clip, Alex may or may not have implicated himself in pre-knowledge of a crime.
alex jones
I just know I'm real.
I know you're real.
And I know that the Southern District of New York and Berman being fired and refusing to step down and then finally stepping down because it's the law is emblematic of everything we're facing.
And I knew before he refused to step down, the president had even fired him.
Imagine that.
That's the circles InfoWars is in.
dan friesen
Alex better hope he's making up that he knew in advance that Trump was going to fire Jeffrey Berman, because if not, he might have just implicated himself in a conspiracy to subvert justice.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does sound right, doesn't it?
dan friesen
On Friday evening, Attorney General William Barr put out a statement saying that Berman was resigning from his post as the federal prosecutor in the Southern District of New York.
The problem was that Berman had not resigned, and this was one of those situations where you fire someone but say they resigned, and then you kind of just hope that they're going to play ball.
That was on Saturday.
Right.
unidentified
After this, Trump was asked by reporters about the matter of Berman, and Trump clearly didn't want to make it look like he was involved, saying, quote, Attorney General Barr is working on that.
dan friesen
That's his department, not my department.
We have a very capable attorney general, so that's really up to him.
I'm not involved.
Ultimately, Berman agreed to step down, but this whole thing is outrageously suspicious.
Berman's office led the prosecution of Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen, and had indicted Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, Rudy Giuliani's two Ukrainian associates, and his office was in the process of investigating Giuliani himself.
jordan holmes
Okay, well, there is that.
dan friesen
Ellie Honig, a former assistant U.S. attorney in the Southern District, told NPR, quote, when you look at the timing of this, the fact that it was announced late on a Friday night, the fact that the attorney general immediately was caught in a misleading statement when he said the U.S. attorney is stepping down, and you look at all the important pending cases in SDNY right now, the only logical conclusion to me is that this is a political move.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no shit.
dan friesen
The House Judiciary Committee has indicated that they're going to explore this firing, and they have a hearing scheduled for Wednesday, which according to NPR includes two whistleblowers who are set to testify against William Barr.
jordan holmes
Well, I'm sure they'll finally do something important to William Barr this time, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know exactly what happened in the Southern District, but it looks shady as hell.
And if I were Alex, I would probably try not to implicate myself in having advanced knowledge of this.
I might end up getting called to testify.
jordan holmes
I fired him!
I don't give a fuck anymore!
That was my idea!
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So, that's silly.
And probably Alex...
I mean, nothing's gonna happen, but in a sane world, he would probably regret...
Like, just if everything had...
Like, there was enough manpower and will to just follow through with all the things Alex says?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like, make him go under oath about this?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It would be a real headache.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if we had a justice system that focused on solving crimes and then doing something about them, I think they would get him.
I think he might have actually committed a crime.
That's just me, though.
dan friesen
So, we're going to enter into now what I would describe as the main narrative of Alex's Sunday show, and it's something I'm just going to give a little bit of a content warning on.
Alex gets into discussion of abuse against children, and if you're sensitive to those topics, you may want to consider jumping ahead.
I wish I had a timestamp for you, but as we're recording this, I don't know exactly when that will be, but I have not included the parts of Alex's content that's...
You know, the more grotesque stuff.
But, you know, the subject and the story that he's covering does deserve mention.
So, here we go.
alex jones
Yeah, it goes on to say it wasn't just harmless, but it was empowering for the children the German government believed to be taken from their biological parents, particularly Christians.
They took children.
I was reading the files this weekend.
From what they call Christian cults.
Just hardcore Christians that say the government's evil and corrupt and we need to get with God.
And they took them and they gave them to people to pay them to have sex with them and create the love, the NAMBLA, the North American Man-Boy Love Association.
dan friesen
So this is based on a tragically true story, but Alex's version of it is completely made up.
It's recently come to light that there was a program in place beginning in 1969 where, quote, homeless children in West Berlin were intentionally placed with pedophile men.
This was based on the theories promoted by a psychologist named Helmut Kentler, who felt that these men would make great foster parents.
This is sick shit, and it's horrific.
I pray these children, now adults, have access to the care that they need and are compensated by the German government for allowing this to happen.
It does appear that Germany is inclined to take responsibility.
From an article in Deutsche Well, quote, Sandra Schirers is the current Berlin senator responsible for the Kettler case.
She's been outspoken in expressing her sympathy for the victims and condemnation of the crimes she calls simply unimaginable.
Although the statute of limitations for these crimes has expired, Shears has promised financial compensation for their suffering.
Which doesn't make up for what happened, but, you know, in terms of estate taking responsibility, it's the least they can do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
This is not a new story, just one that had a renewed interest due to some reporting in Deutsche Welle on a new development.
You can find coverage of this going back to 2016 in outlets like the Irish Times, which was reporting on a study conducted by the University of Godigan, which had been able to find three children who were placed with pedophiles in what's being referred to as the Kentler Experiment.
In newer reporting, based on a study out of the University of Hildesham, the number of children that's said to be confirmed is ten.
Literally any number over zero is too many, and it very well could end up being a situation where there are more than ten.
People who have researched this have commented they do not know the precise number of children who are affected.
I bring up this number not to minimize this, but that it's just a situation where a headline like, quote, Berlin authorities place children with pedophiles for 30 years creates a particular mental image that may or may not be accurate.
I believe that more will come out on this story in the future, and at that point we'll have a better picture of what exactly went on and on what scale.
For now, the best I can do is tell you that Alex Jones is absolutely making up almost everything he's reporting about this story.
The first fabrication in that clip is that the children were taken from their biological parents who were primarily Christians.
This program was specifically about homeless youths.
I don't make this distinction because I think it's any better.
It's still horrific that these vulnerable children were put in the position that they were.
I only bring this up to point out that Alex is making things up.
There's absolutely nothing in any of these articles about children being taken from their Christian families to be put in abusive foster care.
Alex is making that up to play into the Christian victimhood narratives that run through so much of his show.
His narratives don't work without a sense of overwhelming persecution, so he constantly fabricates details into stories to create false threads about white and Christian victimhood and persecution.
The second thing is that I don't believe at all that Alex has read the files on this case.
The study from the University of Hildesham is 57 pages long, which alone would be a hurdle for Alex.
Then there's the added difficulty in that the actual report is really hard to find.
But if you do manage to make it to the website where you can find it, you'll see that it's only available in a PDF, which is in German.
If you use Google Scholar, you can find a version of that report and you can open it in an HTML file, which you can then use Google to translate into English.
But I have zero faith that Alex knows how to do any of that or would take the time when he knows he can just make things up.
Even this isn't a great system, since Google Translate isn't perfect, but I don't have the time to learn German to do this episode, so it's where we're at.
jordan holmes
Everybody is looking down upon you from a mountaintop with Lucifer right now.
dan friesen
Alex could not have read the actual files on these children or this program.
The very best he could have done is read this report, which includes conversation about the files.
The report itself says the files were only accessible to them because after being granted, quote, the consent of those affected, the foster home files were copied, anonymized, and then sent to the foster home.
to a research team at the University of Hildesheim.
These files comprised approximately 830 pages, almost certainly all in German, and there's literally no chance Alex could have gotten his hands on them.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
I've read the relevant portions of this report, and I'm confident in my conviction that Alex is completely fabricating the storyline that these children were taken from Christian cults.
It's my belief that he's incorporating this detail in order to harken back to his roots as a David Koresh apologist, and also to mix in an idea that anyone who's just a good Christian who hates the government is going to be labeled a cult by the globalists and your kids will be taken.
The third thing that he's making up is that Nambla is at all involved in this story.
The N and A in that acronym stand for North American, which Germany is not a part of.
jordan holmes
Are you sure?
What about the First Amendment?
Do they have that there?
dan friesen
Here's the point I want to stress.
This is a very serious story about a serious topic.
It may be a program or experiment that's not currently active, but the damage it's done still exists in the present.
And to honor that reality, it's important to not turn this into something sensational.
The story is outrageous enough, as it is, with what clearly appears to be a guy basically operating as what Dutch Well calls, quote, nothing less than a matchmaker for pedophiles.
The way Alex is handling this story is disrespectful to the victims of this program.
He's trying to create an Infowars narrative out of their real-life victimhood, which I find absolutely disgraceful, and I just have no time for.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's...
If you add details to a...
Tremendous tragedy that is immensely avoidable and just horrific.
You lose your right to say anything about it.
I don't care what conclusions you draw after that.
The moment you're like, and also on top of this horrifying, there are Christians, like, fuck off.
dan friesen
If you sensationalize a story like this in order to make it fit your predetermined narratives, then you have...
You're gone.
You don't have any credibility left on this conversation.
And Alex continues to just make stuff up about it.
alex jones
So that's what all this...
And now it's official.
And the files are public.
And they went, oh, by the way, it wasn't just Berlin.
It was all the German cities in Western Germany at the time.
And they were only following the UN directive of UNESCO to have sex with children.
dan friesen
There's no indication from any of the reporting or the University of Hildesheim report that the UN is involved in this story in any way.
Further, the current crop of stories is about this Hildesheim report, which only looked at the files of one foster home called Fritz H. In the previous report, which was covered in the Irish Times in 2016, that had to do with a study from the University of Göttingen, which was about West Berlin and involved the period before the wall fell.
Alex is saying this is all of West Germany because he's read the words West Berlin in the article's headlines that he's skimmed.
If he knew literally anything, he'd know that Berlin is about as far east in Germany as you can get before you hit the border with Poland.
Also, this is all happening during the Cold War, when the Berlin Wall was up.
And it has to do with West Germany, which notably was the one that wasn't under the control of people Alex views as demonic, pedophile communists.
So I'd be interested in hearing him try to discuss that a little bit.
jordan holmes
You know, it's all, pick your side, and then there's the guys, and they're up top.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And the top guys, oh, you don't want to know.
dan friesen
My point is that Alex has no awareness about the story past headlines, which is particularly distasteful because of how horrifying and serious this story is.
These children, now adults, deserve better than their stories to be used as a prop for Alex to use to attack his political enemies.
Which is what he's doing.
It's pretty clear.
alex jones
So, you didn't understand that Seventh-day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses had their children taken by the government of Germany and given to men.
To rape little girls and boys as young as five.
This is official.
And you're like, why would they take Christian children?
Because that's the ultimate horror.
dan friesen
I have no idea where Alex is getting the idea that this program specifically targeted Jehovah's Witnesses or Seventh-day Adventists.
Also, from everything I can tell, the victims that have been identified have all been boys.
So, I'm saying boys and girls is a little bit...
I'm not sure, but that's from the reporting I've seen.
I'm sure there were some Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses in Germany in the 70s, but those are both groups that began in America, and I'm not sure how far they'd spread by that point.
Either way, Alex is just making this stuff up, and I think at the end there, we kind of get an explanation for why.
It's because his audience, he's playing to their greatest horror.
He says this is the greatest horror.
It's because he knows that.
He's using the image of the thing that his audience fears the most, because he needs to terrorize them with the idea that this is going to happen to them and their kids.
He knows that a considerable portion of his audience are anti-government Christian extremists, so if he makes this story about the children of parents that they identify with and project themselves onto, it becomes a more potent, manipulative tool for Alex to use.
At this point, I'm convinced that Alex is writing his own story about this piece of news because he knows it'll work better to manipulate his audience and demonize his chosen enemies, which I find monstrous.
I found the article about this on InfoWars, and it doesn't back up or substantiate any of the claims that Alex is making here on air.
The InfoWars article is just a reposting of the article on Deutsche Welle, which they almost certainly don't have permission to reprint.
I would be interested.
And seeing if they got permission on that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
This ends up leading Alex into a deeply offensive rant, which I'm not going to cover for obvious reasons.
It's all just the same sort of stuff that he always babbles about, grotesque details.
There's no value in hearing it again.
The only thing that's important here is that Alex has taken a real story about victimized children and made his coverage of it into a lie, which is what he does.
He's a liar.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what a fucking monster.
dan friesen
Right.
Pretty bad.
Pretty bad.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You got all this stuff going on, and it kind of ruins the fun of him just being like, Trump's rally actually was great.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's...
dan friesen
But, you know, not dealing with this would be a little bit incomplete.
jordan holmes
I just want there to be a bottom.
Don't you want there to be a bottom?
There should be a floor of how awful a human being can be.
dan friesen
It'd be nice.
jordan holmes
It'd be nice.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
So, there's no bottom.
Nope.
We see that here.
alex jones
I just believe if we expose it, people will be good and stand up to it and say, we aren't evil.
We are going to stand against this.
And then I believe in you.
They're going to figure out ways to take action against it in a legal and lawful way.
But when the globalists become totally lawless, there is no more law.
And I just become sick to my stomach now thinking that my mind has to begin looking into other avenues.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
A lot of other people are looking at those avenues.
They've been asking me what paths could be gone down.
All I can say is seek God's face.
God will lead God and direct us down those roads if need be.
dan friesen
Hey, maybe God will tell you to kill people.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Hey, you know, hey, I wanted to try and solve this thing legally and lawfully, but it looks like it's not going to be an option.
jordan holmes
No, it'd be great.
dan friesen
Maybe God will tell you when to kill people.
jordan holmes
You know, but if you try and solve things legally and lawfully, all of a sudden now you have to deal with reality, and then everybody has to agree on what reality is, and then you start getting to real places where people are like...
That thing you said didn't actually happen, and you're like, well, what if I killed you anyways?
And that's not a selling argument.
dan friesen
It's a loser's argument.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You gotta start with the killing before you go to the law.
dan friesen
This is bad, and it's where Alex is at.
Now, let's have some fun with him being a baby about these crowd sizes.
Let's sort of try and reset, get our bearings back about us.
alex jones
You know what happened?
A couple things.
COVID-19 created fear, but the biggest thing was AOC's bragging about it.
There's an article on Infowars.com that has all our tweets.
They got millions of Instagram and TikTok, that's kind of Chinese, young girls mainly, to go.
I remember the Trump supporters are like, the Trump campaign goes, we got a million people that went and got the tickets.
That's never happened before.
Usually it's 100,000 and only 20,000 can get in.
This was a 16,000 arena.
But see, the Democrats were all bragging.
They went and got the tickets.
So that other people couldn't get them.
And a lot of folks went, yeah, I was going to go.
I live in Oklahoma, but I didn't go because there were no tickets.
It should be print a ticket.
If you can get in the door, you get in.
First come, first serve.
unidentified
It was.
alex jones
The left is celebrating everywhere.
Again, how they ran a scam, how they ran a fraud, and how they tried to keep his numbers down.
Wah!
Ran a scam.
dan friesen
They ran a scam.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
Amazing.
Get the fuck out of here.
This is pretty hilarious.
Alex is trying to spin the fact that Trump didn't even sell out a 19,000 seat arena, but he's supposed to be the most popular hero in the world.
And Alex's two explanations are interesting.
His first is that COVID-19 caused fear, which under normal circumstances makes a lot of sense.
However, you're talking about an audience who's planning to show up to support a politician whose primary message is that COVID-19 is no big deal.
This is specifically a population that you can't really use that excuse for.
If you're talking about a low turnout at a concert, then sure, it makes sense to say that COVID-19 fears probably kept people home.
It's a harder pitch when the concert is a band called Don't Worry About COVID-19.
Can't use that excuse.
The second explanation is also fun because it reveals a whole lot.
The basic version of this is that a bunch of young people, particularly K-pop fans, used fake email addresses to request a ton of tickets to the Trump rally, which inflated the number of people who they expected to show up.
That's hilarious and good on them.
jordan holmes
Very fun.
dan friesen
That's a great prank, and it probably led to a couple of really big problems for Trump.
The first is that they planned to have overflow areas for people to watch outside, and when it became clear that the turnout was low, that entire stage was useless.
There was no point for it.
jordan holmes
It was as if Jeb Bush was there saying, please clap.
dan friesen
That's an embarrassment and a waste of money, but ultimately that money is coming from the taxpayers, so maybe this isn't a total win on that one.
The second problem is that obviously Trump was using this scheme of people signing up online for tickets as a mean to gather mass amounts of data that he could use to target campaign advertisements and try and drum up donations.
Because there was a mass of people sending in fake information, that data set that they got is almost certainly useless, rendering the secondary objective of his rally a complete failure.
And the teens and K-pop fans were able to, whether knowingly or accidentally, probably screwed them over big time.
jordan holmes
I like that.
dan friesen
In the real world, tons of people requesting tickets could not have any effect on actual turnout.
If there were 900,000 fake ticket requests and 100,000 real people showed up, then there would have been about 19,000 of them who got into the arena and however many the overflow could accommodate.
No amount of fake ticket requests can explain away a turnout of approximately 6,200.
The only way a high number of ticket requests could depress turnout is if you wanted to go.
But you saw that a million people requested tickets and then you decided there was just no way you were going to get in and you decided to stay home.
And guess what?
The Democrats and the kids, they didn't do that.
Trump's campaign bragging did that.
It was Trump's campaign that put out the ticket request numbers, and it was his own supporters who made a big deal out of how they were camping outside the arena to get in.
That hysteria is on them, even if the root of it was a very basic online trolling campaign.
jordan holmes
You guys got beat.
You got beat.
Just fucking own up to it.
You lost.
dan friesen
Alex loves the information war, man.
jordan holmes
You got outsmarted because you guys are all actually very, very stupid.
Just let it go.
Just let it go.
Like, hey, we win by killing people.
We don't win by outsmarting them.
We're the hard right.
dan friesen
The Democrats and globalists didn't get millions of kids to do this.
And not every TikTok user is in the employ of the Chinese government.
This is what I believe Alex would call brilliant information warfare if there were people trying to sabotage a Biden event.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Alex literally paid listeners thousands of dollars to go to events where Bill or Hillary were speaking and yell, Bill Clinton is a rapist, as long as they also yelled Infowars.com.
He doesn't get to play those sorts of games and talk about how important memes are and then whine about a bunch of kids trolling the shit out of his hero.
And calling it cheating.
jordan holmes
They cheated!
I'm waiting for Steve Pachanek to show up and be like, that was Al actually my idea.
We did that in the Iran-Contra affair, and that's how we got the Ayatollah out of the way!
dan friesen
It's in my book.
Yeah, no kidding.
Alex is rationalizing pretty hard, but at a certain point he kind of has to recognize it was a bad turnout.
Maybe I shouldn't talk about that.
Maybe I should just pat Trump on the head.
alex jones
But the mere fact that Trump went in the face of all that and them saying Black Lives Matter and the George Soros Antifa can have all their demonstrations.
But oh, if Trump does it, he's bad and he's evil.
That's an assault on logic.
dan friesen
So I believe that Alex and his ilk like to complain about how these kids these days, they're weak because they all want participation trophies.
They want to be patted on the head for just existing.
And yet here, Alex is saying that the mere fact that Trump held a campaign rally is something he should be applauded for as if it's a heroic act.
That seems like a real participation trophy-ass mentality to me.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, hey.
You know, it's the kids.
It's the kids and they're...
Well, so, okay.
So all these kids, sure, they organized and they successfully achieved their goal with no regard for any possible repercussions.
But Trump showed up, man!
unidentified
Trump showed up!
dan friesen
Yeah.
We've talked already a whole bunch about how there's a different kind of risk involved in being involved in one of these Black Lives Matter protests and something like this Trump rally, so I don't feel the need to belabor the point again here.
Pretending that these two are equivalent is a mark of being willfully ignorant or a liar.
However, it should be pointed out that just before that rally of Trump's on Saturday, the Trump campaign announced that six of their advanced staffers who were working on putting on the rally had tested positive for the coronavirus.
The campaign said that they weren't going to be there at the event, so it's cool, but there's literally no time to tell if they'd infected anyone who they were working with, who hadn't shown up or tested positive yet.
Insane.
unidentified
As of when I'm getting this episode ready, CNN has reported that two additional staffers who were at the rally tested positive after the rally.
dan friesen
Quote, after another round of testing for campaign staff in Tulsa, two additional members of the advanced team tested positive for the coronavirus.
These staff members attended the rally but were wearing masks during the entire event.
Good to see that Trump's campaign makes a point of wearing masks when they're doing damage control that mocks it in other circumstances.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, you know, a bunch of cowards wear masks unless they're already sick, Dan.
And they haven't had any symptoms for a while, so it's been like 10 days and now they're wearing a mask to save us!
dan friesen
Trump made attendees sign a waiver that made it so they couldn't sue the campaign if they got infected at the rally, which should have been the first red flag for attendees that they might get sick if they go to this thing, which might involve the turnout.
An analyst named Thomas Pueyo tweeted some calculations based on the new cases of COVID-19 in Oklahoma over the past 20 days before the rally, which reflected approximately a 0.15% infection rate of the entire population of Oklahoma.
His calculations were based on a sellout crowd of 19,000, so I had to tweak the numbers a little bit to reflect the actual turnout of 6,200, but there was a 0.009% chance that no one in the crowd...
jordan holmes
0.009%.
dan friesen
I like them odds.
That's the odds that no one there was...
jordan holmes
Those are good.
Roll them bones.
Roll them bones.
Come on, man.
dan friesen
There were very likely infected persons there.
Possibly ones who were contagious.
And that's not even counting the two Trump staffers we know of who tested positive after the rally.
This could end up being a nearly avoided disaster where people get pretty damn lucky.
Or it could be a tragedy that happened for no reason.
We'll have to wait and see how things shake out as we get more information and as people get to the point where they would be showing symptoms or testing positive after this.
No matter what ends up being the human toll of this, doing this rally was not heroic, and Trump doesn't deserve a participation trophy for holding it.
At best, it's irresponsible.
At worst, homicidal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, it sure kind of seems like...
Him doing that is not a participation trophy so much as it is a death sentence for some of the people who come to see him.
dan friesen
And then Alex keeps yelling about like, oh, Biden held a rally and there were five people there.
And it was a situation where Biden had a rally where people were in chairs six feet apart from each other.
It was intentionally only like 20 people there.
Like, yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was the point.
dan friesen
Also, I don't care how many people showed up for a socially distanced rally and all this where they kept controlled measures in place.
It has nothing to do with how many people Trump drew at his rally.
You can't make yourself feel better.
Just be like, hey, he had less.
jordan holmes
The worst part is, guys, once you saw that there were 6,200 in there, you could have...
Socially distanced so easily.
You could have spread around the entire place.
dan friesen
Probably could have.
jordan holmes
Kept a lot of distance and instead they all sat in the same fucking place together.
dan friesen
Because you needed the tight shots.
jordan holmes
Well, of course you needed the tight shots because you gotta lie better.
But the lie was already not gonna work.
But the point is that they get to lie and just say it and then nobody gets to do anything about it.
dan friesen
I hate them.
I know that this was a point that was made a bit on social media and what have you, but I feel like I certainly, this was my visceral experience of it so I don't feel too Oh, yeah.
I absolutely had the feeling of a comedy show you're running, where the turnout's low, and you're like, just hold for another five.
Yep.
unidentified
My friend said he's on the way.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
Two people out front barking.
unidentified
This is my least favorite part of this gig.
dan friesen
As anybody who's produced comedy shows, that's a very universal...
jordan holmes
It's a real bummer.
dan friesen
It's a real bummer.
jordan holmes
Hurts your feelings real bad.
dan friesen
There's nothing you can do.
Alright, well, can we send out another opener?
Another person to warm up the crowd?
jordan holmes
Shit.
Well, you know what's great is when you have the guest spot showing up doing five minutes.
They brought three out of the four people who were there.
And then they all leave after they're set.
Just a real delight.
dan friesen
That would have happened if Trump allowed, let's say, Nick Fuentes to speak before him.
They'd all leave.
So Alex is really mad at Brad Parscale.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Trump's social media guy.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And he should be.
He's the guy who was tweeting out the 800,000, 1 million numbers.
jordan holmes
Retrospect.
Probably not a good idea.
dan friesen
And I'll give Alex credit for this.
He's not like Brad Parscale for a while now.
But that's because he was caught on video being asked what he thought about Alex Jones.
And he said, I don't know who Alex Jones is.
So Alex has a personal beef with Parscale.
But now he's just like, fuck this guy.
alex jones
And the Trump campaign, I gotta say, they didn't get Trump elected.
The people did, and Trump did.
And nothing against Parcells on, but I mean...
jordan holmes
Parcells?
alex jones
People that know them well, the delusional crap, they talk about dynasties and what geniuses they are.
You didn't do anything, Parscale, any of you.
And you're idiots.
You're morons.
You really think when you got a million RSVPs when your biggest before was 100,000, that it was real dumbass?
dan friesen
Fair point.
jordan holmes
That is a fair point.
alex jones
Why didn't you spot check a few and contact them by email and see they were 14-year-old girls under CHICOM control?
jordan holmes
No argument there.
alex jones
I mean, believe me, we've had events before.
If we have 2,000 seats and we got 100,000 RSVPs, I'd say something's wrong there.
And I'm not trying to, like, put down the Trump campaign, except I've been around it and I've seen it.
These are people that literally buy two or three Lamborghinis.
What does he have time for all these Lamborghinis while we're losing the country?
dan friesen
You bought a tank.
jordan holmes
Literally everything he's saying he could say into a mirror.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're the one who says you're a genius all the time.
dan friesen
Also smash cut to Alex's turn out at that CPAC.
unidentified
Yeah, I was gonna say!
It's the same fucking thing!
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So, interestingly, as is...
This is bizarre.
So, the situation is that there was, like, 6,200 people inside.
And Alex is like, there was way more people.
alex jones
And we have the exclusive photos up on Infowars.com.
Yeah, Trump rally falters.
Empty seats available throughout Arena.
But not because there weren't 10,000 people outside.
It would have been full.
The campaign let a bunch of people bragging on Twitter and TikTok a week ago that they did this.
dan friesen
That has nothing to do with the turnout, those people doing their goofs.
jordan holmes
Again, they just messed with the data.
dan friesen
If there was 10,000 people outside, they would have...
Bum-rushed them inside.
jordan holmes
Oh, totally.
They would have gotten sheepdogs to fucking bite the stragglers to get them inside.
dan friesen
They would have been cattle prodding.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
It would have been a more literal version of the abattoir they are walking into anyways.
unidentified
We have a 19,000 capacity arena here.
dan friesen
We have 6,200 inside.
We have about 150% of that number outside.
If we add them together, we can have an almost...
Let's not bring them in.
jordan holmes
I just don't think it's a good idea.
You know what?
I talked to Trump and he said he wants the smaller number of people out there.
Loves it.
That's his guy.
dan friesen
So, in the next clip, we get to Alex discussing his absence for the last week.
It turns out he was on a beach vacation.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Good for him.
I mean, he did need to take some time off.
So, I mean...
I resent his luxury, but at the same time...
jordan holmes
Makes me real mad.
dan friesen
At the same time, glad he was not doing well.
alex jones
I went down to the coast for a week with my children, spent some time off, and most people weren't wearing the mask, but some people were like, six feet, wear a mask, whatever.
I probably talked, not exaggerating, to 400 people.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
I talked to 60, 70, 80 people a day.
dan friesen
No way.
Not a chance.
No way.
I yelled at 60 people a day, maybe.
jordan holmes
60 to 70 people a day.
What is your version of talking to people?
Exactly.
That's the only explanation, because it can't be, I listen to anything anybody said.
dan friesen
On the 22nd, I believe, he'll get into a little bit more about some of the conversations that we've had.
jordan holmes
Globalists in a hot tub?
dan friesen
More or less.
Globalists in a Gulf of Mexico.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
We'll get to that when we get to it.
Alex, this whole time, has been teasing that he's got a big story that he's got to get to.
And at this point, he realizes, like, I haven't gotten to it.
alex jones
You know, I said I'd cover the big news on COVID-19, and I haven't done it.
And I guess I'll do that next segment, and then I'll get into what happened with the Trump rally and all of that.
And Fauci talking crap about Americans.
I mean, I hear his voice, and it's like...
It's nails on a chalkboard, but I'll play it, him talking down to us again.
Because you know what?
Maybe we are low.
Maybe we are pieces of crap.
I mean, this little piece of garbage gets to piss on us all day.
It's a smile up there and run his scams, and oh my God, he was involved in releasing HIV.
He's involved.
I mean, he is a damn, he's as bad as Bill Gates.
dan friesen
So, according to the AIDS Institute, the earliest known human HIV case is from a blood sample collected in the Democratic Republic of Congo in 1959.
At the time, Anthony Fauci was 19 years old, having just graduated from Regis High School in Manhattan and was entering undergraduate studies at Holy Cross.
Seems unlikely that he went to Africa to release HIV in a gap year, but if Alex wants to try and make that case, he's certainly welcome to try.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, it's not the first prodigy we've seen, you know?
dan friesen
Alex is just making shit up to demonize his enemies.
He has zero regard for the truth and the very real and serious issues of public health.
He doesn't give a shit about any of this.
jordan holmes
See, now this is the time where it should be like, Fauci should really, like, this is the one where it's like...
Get a law firm and just start going after people who are lying about you.
This is too important to let them continue with this bullshit.
dan friesen
I mean, I would love to see it.
jordan holmes
Like, that's gotta happen.
dan friesen
I think that this does probably surpass the actual malice standard that's required for defaming a public figure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think.
I don't know.
Anyway, we get to this big news on COVID-19, and it's that there are going to be lockdowns again, which maybe.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, almost certainly.
dan friesen
Here's how Alex explains this.
alex jones
And we said it was coming.
We knew they'd squeeze us and then let off and then squeeze again.
Every time we're about to totally resist and say no, people stop non-complying.
Oh, they let off and they squeeze again.
I mean, they've got this all psychologically figured out until you transcend the psychology.
And say, I resist no matter what.
I resist whether it feels good.
I resist whether it feels bad.
I overthrow you.
And there's that energy, that wild energy.
Once you do the right thing, it's going...
And it's that spiritual electricity they fear.
dan friesen
For the record, I'm not particularly afraid of that clearly performative expression of spiritual energy.
jordan holmes
Which one?
dan friesen
The one he just did there?
unidentified
This one?
dan friesen
I'm depressed by it, if anything.
I'm not scared.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
So according to Alex, the globalist plan with the virus was to lock down, and then when tension with the lockdown got too high, with people resisting, they'd ease the lockdown, only to lock down again later once people let off.
It's a compelling way to experience the world, but another interpretation of this makes a bit more sense.
Putting in public health protective measures is essential in terms of trying to overcome this pandemic, but they're also incredibly inconvenient, and mitigating the issues that the measures bring up would require a great amount of political will and leadership, which we just don't have right now.
Businesses being closed and forced to run safely cuts into business owners' profits, and people aren't able to go to work if the place they're employed at is closed.
There are legitimate issues that come from this, but they're mainly things that could be dealt with by providing extensive unemployment benefits for people affected by the virus, closures, and similar things.
There are measures that we could take.
jordan holmes
That's just incentivizing people to not get sick, Dan.
And we can't do that.
dan friesen
Our leaders have made the decision that they just don't want to do those things.
And because of that, the closures that are necessary, they're leading to heightened tensions.
Mixed in with that tension is the entitlement of people who just want things back to normal.
People who feel like they deserve all the amenities and luxuries they've enjoyed like back in late 2019, like going to crowded bars and sporting events.
These people are very loud and insistent that people who are not them should be forced to go back to work to facilitate their ability to enjoy the life they feel they have the right to.
These forces lead to some short-sighted leaders prematurely opening back up businesses, which has a very predictable result of spiking coronavirus cases.
jordan holmes
No one could predict that.
dan friesen
So now what?
You end up in a super predictable and completely unwinnable situation where one side is saying, we told you that cases were going to spike if we opened up because before it was safe to do so, we need to close things back up.
And you have the other side saying that this increase in cases is a hoax just to justify reclosing everything to implement a globalist dictatorship.
It seems to me that it's too late to do anything about this.
A certain section of the population just doesn't believe the virus is real and no amount of proof is going to change their mind.
I obviously hope for the best, but there's a part of me that worries that this is a hurdle we just can't handle in the current state we're in.
jordan holmes
No, we can't.
dan friesen
At that Tulsa...
jordan holmes
I mean, it's short.
It's a short answer.
dan friesen
Yeah.
At that rally in Tulsa, Trump said, quote, when you do the testing to that extent, you're going to find more people.
You're going to find more cases.
So I said to my people, slow the testing down, please.
Naturally, the White House spokesman Kayleigh McEnany said that this was a, quote, comment that he made in jest.
jordan holmes
Which he later said, he does not jest.
dan friesen
Yeah, the claimant that's in jest is bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't understand how we're not already, like, writing up Nuremberg trial shit.
This is beyond reason.
dan friesen
Trump has a history of saying that the problem is not that there's a virus pandemic.
It's that we're testing too many people.
In an article in The Hill from May 14th, they include Trump's comments, quote, We have more cases than anybody in the world, but why?
Because we do more testing.
When you test, you have a case.
When you test, you find something is wrong with people.
If we didn't do any testing, we would have very few cases.
They don't want to write that.
It's common sense.
We test much more.
Oh, and then, like you mentioned, on Tuesday the 23rd of this year, 2020, Trump was asked about whether his comments about slowing down the testing at the rally were in jest, and his answer was, quote, Trump is operating off the understanding that goes like this.
If we don't know about it, a case isn't real.
The only thing that makes someone sick is that we have a number on a piece of paper showing that case.
And that's because the number is legitimately the only part of the whole equation that affects him.
Higher numbers make him look bad, and he wants lower numbers.
It's that simple.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Going back as far as March, outlets like Politico and Rolling Stone were reporting that Trump had, quote, undermined his own administration's efforts to fight the coronavirus outbreak because he's, quote, made clear the lower numbers on coronavirus the better for his potential re-election in the fall.
What we're seeing right now and the inevitable conversation about reclosing businesses are the product of choices and priorities being expressed by our leadership.
With coherent messaging and competent leadership, we could probably easily navigate this challenge.
It's obviously not impossible.
Many other countries around the world have had success where we've failed.
We'll get through this, I believe.
And I'm not saying that it's over for humanity and there will only be lone survivors.
But what I am saying is I'm becoming more and more concerned about what it will take.
To get people like the folks in Trump's base to recognize reality.
I'm scared more about the scale to which they can just pretend.
jordan holmes
I mean, honestly, they're a bunch of children.
Anytime you have children having a massive tantrum like this, the quick and dirty answer is to say go to timeout.
What should we do with Trump supporters?
Time out.
You guys get to come back in five years.
Until then, you stay in your homes.
We're going to board up your place because you're all fucking vampires.
That's my plan.
dan friesen
There's theories about that going on.
So Alex is mad about how they're going to lock everything back down.
And he goes out to break with a troubling prayer.
alex jones
So just pray for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and Clinton and Fauci and all of them.
To be judged by God.
Don't pray that they die in a car wreck.
Don't pray their heads get chopped off.
Just pray God punishes them and cuts them down however God wants to do it.
Just say, God, I love you.
I trust you.
I put it in your hands.
Thank you for Jesus.
And we just pray for you to get Fauci and Bill Gates and Hillary off our backs.
That's what they fear as you call out to God.
Just pray for God.
To take action against this monstrous demon.
I wish no hair harmed upon his little head or his chinny chin chin.
But just pray for that angel that Moses called on to come to them.
dan friesen
This is absolutely unacceptable, and if you listen to Alex regularly and understand what he means when he says things, he's essentially begging his audience to kill Obama, Hillary, and Fauci in that clip that we just heard.
The essential thing to understand is that when Alex says that he prays for God's vengeance or for God to strike these people down, he's not talking about some kind of spiritual thing.
He's not hoping for a stray lightning bolt to hit them on their morning walk.
He's talking about them being murdered by another person.
It's a fully expressed belief on Alex Jones' show that the concept of vengeance belonging to God, it's a riddle, which is explained by the understanding that human actors are the tools of God's vengeance.
He's been very clear about this in the past, as he was in this clip from his show on April 5th, 2019.
alex jones
You know, vengeance is God's.
Vengeance is God's.
But God has instruments of vengeance.
That's always the twist to the riddle.
And so the globalists expect to try to terrorize us.
We're not one of these poor kids who got strung out in one of your dungeons.
We're going to terrorize you.
dan friesen
Alex is trying to encourage an unhinged member of his audience to commit an act of violence against his political enemies, and he's hiding behind the loose language of appealing to, quote, God's vengeance.
Out of context, it appears that he's just saying that these people will get what they deserve in the afterlife, but if you understand Alex's beliefs and the things he expresses on his show in the proper context, it could not be clear in that clip that he's saying...
That he wants someone to kill those people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't want to do it myself, because then I will face consequences for my actions, and I'm notoriously averse to that.
Right.
I can't ask other people to do it, because then I'll face consequences for that, and I don't like doing those.
So what I'll do is I will separate the two.
I will say that God's vengeance...
Is carried out by actors in one area, and then in another area, I will call back to that.
However, I will only say that I hope God kills these people.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And if you happen to feel like you're God's instrument, hey, man, you're God's instrument!
dan friesen
God might tell you to start shooting!
jordan holmes
God's instrument!
What are you gonna do?
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
You can't even say no!
dan friesen
Yeah, and he's like, yeah, I'm probably legally in the clear, even if someone explicitly says, Alex Jones asked me to do this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because I said, I don't want a hair harmed on them.
unidentified
See?
Ha ha, look at it!
jordan holmes
Oh, that's me!
Wink!
Oh, that's like somebody saying that their dog asked them to kill people.
unidentified
Ha ha ha!
jordan holmes
I'm too smart for the law!
dan friesen
Right.
So, Alex gets to talking about the other stuff about the virus.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Making more stuff up.
alex jones
We usually have 10 million starved to death a year.
It's going to be double that number.
Millions are down right now.
Well, they put new numbers out.
A couple million have starved to death.
I know.
It wasn't on the news.
It wasn't a big issue.
Just a couple, two million dead people.
Mainly in Africa.
It's kind of like a little subconscious wink, wink.
Well, there's too many of those folks.
dan friesen
First, I want to say that I've never heard anyone talk more about the idea that there are too many people in Africa than Alex.
I've heard people talk about overpopulation concerns and sustainable growth being helped by available, like, family planning, but sincerely, Alex talks about how unnamed other people think there are too many people in Africa all the time.
Think it's him.
I think that's him.
I think those are his thoughts.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
Second, there are no new updates on this story.
Alex is completely making that up, and then saying that it's so mysterious that it's not in the news.
Here's one of the dead giveaways that he's making this up.
He says that the numbers are in and, quote, a couple million are dead.
No one would ever report a couple million.
No one would report in those terms.
Just Alex.
There are no stories about this made-up updated numbers anywhere, including on InfoWars' website.
I can't find anything on there.
So I'm going to need a citation on this, which won't come, and Alex will pretend that he didn't make it up.
jordan holmes
They did update the AP Style Guide, though, because if it's any less than 10 million, you can call it a handful of millions.
That's the technical turnout.
dan friesen
You've got to call it a grip of millions.
unidentified
Yeah, it's a chunk of millions.
dan friesen
So, continuing his tradition of the Lord's Day being about making up news stories and just lying about existing ones, Alex gets on to the subject of some cannery workers.
alex jones
Meanwhile, 150, this is MSM, 150 cannery workers have been forced quarantined for months in a hotel without pay because Governor Newsom had them arrested because...
A few of the members came up positive with COVID.
That's right.
All of it is just a practice for martial law.
dan friesen
This is a story about an employer mistreating their vulnerable employees, many of whom were seasonal workers from Mexico.
So there were 150 workers that were hired on June 2nd by North Pacific Seafoods, and they were set to be transported to Alaska, where they would then work until August.
In transit, they were required to be tested for COVID-19, and at that stage of things, three of them tested positive.
While they were awaiting results of their tests, they were at the Crown Plaza LAX Hotel, and when the positive results came in, they were told that they were required to extend their stay there in quarantine, during which time they weren't going to get paid.
The workers filed a lawsuit that alleges that their key cards for their hotel rooms were deactivated so they couldn't come and go, and they were told that if they left their rooms for any reason, they would be immediately fired.
We'll see what comes up when this goes to court, but as it appears currently, the facts seem to paint this as a situation where it's about a company abusing migrant labor.
And just a few fact-based corrections about Alex's fake reporting on this story.
1. Alex says that these workers have been forced to be in quarantine for months.
The workers were not even hired until June 2nd, and the point when they allegedly began a false imprisonment in the hotel rooms was June 10th.
I'm offended by this story regardless of the length of time, but Alex is just making up that it's been for months.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
Second, Alex says that Governor Newsom had them arrested because a couple of them tested positive for COVID-19.
This is completely made up, and as best I can tell, Newsom has nothing to do with this.
It's the North Pacific Seafood Company, which is based in Seattle, who had the seasonal workers set to depart from Los Angeles to Alaska.
The only connection with Newsom seems to be that Los Angeles is in the state he's the governor of.
That's the best I can do.
These are two factual misrepresentations that Alex makes in the span of less than 30 seconds covering this story, and you can easily see how these misrepresentations completely change the story and make it a lie.
These workers are suing North Pacific Seafood and the hotel company, but in Alex's version of the story, he's taking what these workers went through and co-opting the abuse they suffered and blaming it on the villain of his choosing, Gavin Newsom.
This is how he does it.
jordan holmes
Isn't that the history of labor relations in the United States?
Rich corporations will hire people or at least strongly influence them into making all of their evils and all of their transgressions appear to be the government's fault.
And then the government...
Taking all of the heat for that winds up deregulating shit in order to mollify the people who wrongly think that it's the government's fault for the evil corporation screwing them over, and then the evil corporation can screw them over even more, and they still blame the...
dan friesen
You know what?
jordan holmes
I think America's gonna go great.
dan friesen
I think that I would like to request that you never look into the history of the John Birch Society and their intertwining with the National Association of Manufacturers.
jordan holmes
You know, you've told me about it.
dan friesen
Because I think you would have, like, legitimately a stroke.
jordan holmes
Why would I have a stroke, Dan?
Something would pop.
I'm not known for being a volatile character.
No, come on now.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex gets to playing a clip of Anthony Fauci, and he's talking about how he doesn't feel great that Americans seem to not trust science and people who are experts on topics.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Alex is pretty mad about this, which is...
jordan holmes
Unsurprising?
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
And it's amazing sometimes the denial there is.
It's the same thing that gets people who are anti-vaxxers, who don't want people to get vaccinated, Even though the data clearly indicate the safety of vaccines, that's really a problem.
alex jones
Notice, he didn't give you any sources.
He didn't name things.
jordan holmes
Oh, get the fuck out of here.
Get the fuck out.
alex jones
You don't believe in authority?
I played a clip.
And I've got an article where he said it and where he did it.
Everything I say, boom.
When I tell you the German government gave thousands of kids to pedophiles to have sex with them, I've got...
dan friesen
I guess if Alex wants to take Fauci to task for not proving the vaccines are good in a conversational interview, that's his right.
Seems like a weird standard to have for people, but whatever.
The thing that I really think is funny here is that Alex is all bent out of shape about sources and citing stories, and one of the things he points to is a story that he's completely misreporting.
Those articles in the German press do not say that thousands of kids were put into foster care with pedophiles.
The number is unclear currently, but Alec saying that these articles are proving that is a case of him definitively not using a source.
What he's doing is appealing to the authority of an outlet like Der Spiegel while simultaneously just making things up.
He wants you to take his version of the story as being as legitimate as you might think it is if you heard it coming from another outlet, because on some level, Alex even knows that he's untrustworthy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, nobody's gonna read an Infowars story.
I can't cite fucking Paul Joseph Watson on my reality.
Yeah, no.
dan friesen
As someone who listens to Alex all the time and checks in on his sources, he pretty much never uses sources correctly, and more than often is just making things up entirely.
Oh, and if you need a source on that, I have about 440 episodes of a podcast I can recommend to you.
jordan holmes
I mean, did you print it somewhere?
Something like that?
Could you print out several hundred stacks of paper, which are transcripts of all of our episodes?
dan friesen
Yeah, I just gotta get a printer.
So, Alex is mad at Fauci, and it goes about how you expect it to.
He's a little baby.
alex jones
Nothing against short people, but he's like 4 '7".
Okay, and he's literally a midget.
And he's pissed he's a midget.
Reportedly, you know, he has a millimeter-long ding-dong.
I mean, I'm being sarcastic here.
The point is, the dude is a jerk!
dan friesen
Anthony Fauci is 5 '7".
I kept that clip in because it demonstrates the places that Alex goes when he starts ranting and attacking people he hates.
It's always going to end up in a place where he's trying to diminish them in terms of how Alex defines masculinity.
Fauci is too short and he's got a small dick.
Alex desperately craves to be taken seriously as an adult, but he operates almost entirely as an angry adolescent.
It's very sad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a common trait among his ilk and Republicans and people and everybody I know.
dan friesen
I don't think that's sarcastic.
jordan holmes
No, it's not sarcastic.
Facetious, I believe, would be the word he's looking for.
dan friesen
Shitty.
jordan holmes
That's a good word, too.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Facetious.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex prays more that his enemies get killed.
jordan holmes
Oh, great.
dan friesen
And again, I should point out, this is a Sunday show.
alex jones
I pray that God visit judgment in the name of Jesus Christ upon Bill Gates, upon Fauci, upon Hillary Clinton, upon the globalists.
I pray for God to send his angel.
unidentified
My ancestors stood for justice.
jordan holmes
Did they?
alex jones
You stand for justice.
Let us pray for the destroyer.
dan friesen
So that song Alex is playing there is Creeping Death by Metallica.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's hard not to notice that one of the lines he doesn't talk over is, Die by my hand.
jordan holmes
He did specifically not talk during that one.
dan friesen
It seemed like it.
It felt that way.
jordan holmes
I could really hear that word, those lyrics very clearly.
dan friesen
Alex couldn't be more clearly begging for someone to kill his enemies.
jordan holmes
It really doesn't seem...
dan friesen
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
It's not subtle.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's getting a little bit overt.
jordan holmes
It's too overt.
Is no one going to stop this?
This is insane!
dan friesen
This is insane!
It's pretty weird.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
No, he was being sarcastic, Dan.
dan friesen
Very fashidious, or whatever he said.
So in this next clip, Alex gets around to talking about a big, big news story.
This is a very important story.
Right up there with Trump is a hero for doing a campaign rally.
Very important news to cover.
Very serious.
And so is this.
unidentified
Very serious.
alex jones
Alright, let's get into the news.
Look at this headline, Jamie White, up on Infowars.com.
It's no joke.
It's in Reuters, AP, everywhere.
They're all Brothelsea reporting it.
Luciferian march for one world government.
Satanic group organizes nationwide rallies promoting new world order.
unidentified
Whoa!
jordan holmes
Got him.
Got him.
The Reuters finally infiltrated them, and they got him.
Nope.
It's nationwide.
dan friesen
Nope.
The AP and Reuters are not breathlessly reporting on this story.
There's a post on Infowars by Jamie White, and his source is a, quote, Christian YouTuber named Hannah Williamson.
Four months ago, Hannah posted a video titled, quote, I had an end times dream.
Jesus is coming soon.
One thing that I think is really weird is that her channel page was created on October 15, 2012, but the oldest video on there is from last year.
That's a mystery I don't really care to solve.
But whatever the case, she's a young Christian end times type who made a video about the satanic march and how they're trying to bring in a one world government.
So this is about a group on Facebook called the Disciples of Lucifer, who I honestly think it's a troll page.
In their listing for services they offer, they say they buy souls.
Quote, whatever your heart desires, money, sex, drugs, you name it, we can give it to you for the price of your soul.
jordan holmes
That sounds like a good deal.
dan friesen
You know what it also sounds like?
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Alex.
jordan holmes
It does a little bit, yeah.
dan friesen
The throwing in the you name it is such a characteristic of Alex's language.
jordan holmes
Did Alex make this?
Did he set up this whole thing?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't think so, but the you name it in there is real weird.
jordan holmes
Listen, you name it.
dan friesen
He says that all the time.
jordan holmes
My ancestors fought for the Confederacy.
I don't know why I threw that in the event page.
dan friesen
Whoops.
Uh-oh.
jordan holmes
Delete, delete, delete.
dan friesen
Why am I typing delete?
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
dan friesen
Heavy reported on the stories going on about these marches that the Satanists had planned and concluded, quote, there is no evidence that the marches are legitimate.
If you look at the Facebook page's history, they did this back in February 2019 as well, saying that they're planning Luciferian marches for a one-world government in various cities around the world.
The only evidence I can find that anything ever even came of these Facebook events is that a group of Christians showed up in the rain to counter-protest a non-existent march in Texarkana.
And this year continues that tradition.
I was able to find a guy in Salem, Oregon, who made a blog post about how he and his buddies went to demonstrate against this Satanist menace, but no one showed up.
This is almost certainly some dude trolling people with his Facebook page, and Jamie White's dumbass is taking it seriously.
Alex is pretending that all the media is in love with this Satanic march for the New World Order, when in all likelihood the Facebook page this comes from is a parody of his own beliefs.
There's nothing here.
It's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Why are they so stupid?
There should be a moratorium on any like all tricking of the hard right.
If you're dumb enough to fall for any hoax, it's fine.
Like morally, there is no downside anymore.
Trick them into doing whatever.
dan friesen
I would actually disagree with that because I think that we've come to a point where, you know, you see people posting things like Someone's tricking QAnon people into believing X, Y, or Z. And I think it's just not even interesting anymore as a sport or whatever.
I think that we've reached a point where you don't prove anything or it's not impressive to trick people in these extreme right-wing circles.
There's a high level of gullibility to the point where it's like, alright, this trolling isn't impressive.
unidentified
And the potential consequences of it are not good.
dan friesen
There's a real danger now to tricking people into believing things.
jordan holmes
Right.
I meant into going to fake rallies.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
Put them out in the rain all the time.
dan friesen
Well, I still think that the possibility in the world we live in now of someone showing up armed and hurting somebody.
Granted, the examples that I could find, like the Texarkana and the Salem one, were instances where there's no harm, no foul.
People just ended up wasting their time.
That is fine, but I'm not comfortable with the thought that the risk of someone getting hurt is packaged with that.
jordan holmes
I mean, but any proximity to these people now carries the risk of getting hurt.
Like, just being around them carries the risk of being hurt.
That's the reality of 2020, is that if you're around the hard right...
dan friesen
Someone might get hurt.
jordan holmes
Yeah, somebody might get hurt.
One of their radio hosts is telling people to kill Obama.
dan friesen
No, praying.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
unidentified
On Sunday.
jordan holmes
Even worse!
dan friesen
So the main source of that article is the Christian YouTuber, but there's actually another source on it.
alex jones
The marchers are intended to create chaos, and it has been speculated by some that demonstrators may even try to erect satanic monuments at existing sites where Confederate and other allegedly racist statues have been torn down.
IntelliHub reported.
dan friesen
So the other source on that story, as Alex just pointed out, is IntelliHub.
Which is the stupid blog that is written by past Infowars and Project Camelot guest Shepard Ambulus.
jordan holmes
Oh, great.
dan friesen
In turn, Shepard's source for the article is a QAnon Twitter account and a Twitter account run by a guy who has a habit of retweeting QAnon accounts, but only ones that have cute animal videos.
It's very weird.
My point here is this is not good work.
In fact, it's terrible work that's being laundered through a bunch of different stupid websites in order to make it look like Alex isn't wasting his time on his show talking about a Facebook prank that's already not happened by the time he's on air.
These marches were supposed to happen on Sunday at 2pm and Alex goes on air at 4. This is just embarrassing.
Such a waste of time.
jordan holmes
This is really embarrassing.
This is really bad.
dan friesen
So Alex plays some clips of Trump's speech.
Mysteriously doesn't play a clip where he says, I told them to...
Well, there was that.
Strange.
Strange in its absence.
But he does play one clip that I think is interesting.
alex jones
Let's go to this next clip.
Joe Biden's side of China over America.
This is really important.
Here it is.
unidentified
When I took...
Hardly and decisive action to ban travel from China and protect Americans from the virus.
donald j trump
And as I said, Joe Biden opposed my decision and called it hysteria, xenophobia.
unidentified
He doesn't know what the word means.
Xenophobia and fear-mongering.
And then he apologized a month later.
donald j trump
He said he was wrong, but he didn't say it.
unidentified
And they didn't cover it.
What?
They didn't cover it.
donald j trump
On one of the single most important policy decisions of our lifetime.
dan friesen
This is pretty remarkable, man.
Pretty much everything that Trump said in that clip is not true.
jordan holmes
Demonstrably not true.
dan friesen
It's like a complete fiction.
He's yelling at a mostly empty arena.
Most interestingly is this narrative about Biden.
So this is a lie that Trump started trotting out back in March in an interview with Sean Hannity.
In reality, Biden had not called Trump's move to block travel from China xenophobic.
What he did was he tweeted, For Trump, this became Biden calling the travel restrictions hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering, even though that wasn't what Biden said.
And it's a pretty fair description of Trump's history.
jordan holmes
I'm the victim!
I'm the victim!
No matter what, I'm the victim!
dan friesen
By May, Trump had added to this story by claiming that Biden had sent him an apology letter for claiming that the travel ban was xenophobic, which didn't happen to begin with.
Naturally, this letter was made up, and a Biden spokesperson said, quote, never happened.
Trump is complaining that the media didn't cover a fake letter that Biden didn't send him to apologize for a thing that Biden didn't say in the first place and the rally's mad that the media didn't cover it.
jordan holmes
I'm struggling.
It's a mess.
Struggling with opening my eyes ever in the mornings.
Don't like it.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Every day is a fresh nightmare.
dan friesen
May I recommend really hot sausage?
jordan holmes
I think that's a good idea.
dan friesen
Because it would hurt you.
jordan holmes
It would hurt me.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It would be a form of flagellation.
I could kind of handle my sins.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex ends this Sunday episode here with, I mean, it's just, it's menacing.
I'll say that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I just can't express how serious the situation is.
You know, we're going to win one way or the other, but if we don't win this way peacefully, you know what's going to come next.
And all people shoot their mouths off all day how they want violence.
Are you really ready for that?
I am.
You ready for that?
All right.
I appreciate the crew.
Great job to all the viewers and listeners and affiliates.
We thank you all.
Luckily, thanks to your prayers, we'll be back tomorrow, hopefully.
dan friesen
Luckily, thanks to your prayers, we'll be back tomorrow, hopefully.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yes, I mean, it's just the, you know, continuing to go down this trend of we're about to get to the point where it's time to shoot people.
And then constantly praying on air for the specific targeting of the people he deems as enemies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, real comforting fireside chat kind of stuff.
I just like to sit around and just remind myself how we're all going to make it through this together.
It's us against the virus, you know?
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So, Alex comes in on Monday, the 22nd.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And the prayers worked, apparently.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
dan friesen
He's spinning his wheels quite a bit at the beginning.
There's something big to go over or something.
unidentified
Maybe.
dan friesen
And he's just not getting to it.
alex jones
All right, I'm not building this up for suspense.
A subject this big, the key to everything.
jordan holmes
Where have I heard this before?
alex jones
I can even try to pull up all the data in my brain and cover it properly.
And I'm just not ready to cover this yet.
You know, I took off last week and only worked about five hours a day instead of the normal 12 or so.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out.
alex jones
Now that I'm actually back here in studio and I'm just looking at all of this, it is...
Personally, very frustrating.
So, I seem frustrated on air, act like a jerk towards the crew.
It has nothing to do with the crew.
dan friesen
So fitting that he came in with King Nothing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just...
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
unidentified
Your castle crumbles and you're left with just a thing.
alex jones
Where's your crown king?
dan friesen
Nothing!
Hey guys, sorry.
I'm not trying to build this up.
jordan holmes
I swear somebody is fucking with us.
Somebody is fucking with us here.
dan friesen
Maybe.
Or fucking with Alex.
jordan holmes
Could be.
Could be.
dan friesen
So Alex doesn't get to what this big gigantic thing is, but he does get mad about...
So there's a video of G. Edward Griffin, who is an old-time John Birch guy.
Yeah, yeah.
There's a video of him from the 60s.
That is gaining some traction.
People are posting it on social media.
And Alex is mad because what has been done is the InfoWars logo on the video has been blurred out.
unidentified
So Alex complains.
jordan holmes
That's the worst thing that's ever happened to him.
dan friesen
Alex complains about this a little bit.
alex jones
While I'm up here on air, I then remember a bunch of things that I meant to tell the crew.
And so there's just too much planning goes into the show.
Guys, do you have the G. Edward Griffin clip from the 60s?
Yeah.
Yeah, and I sent it to Rob Doe a couple times.
I saw that we linked to an article about G. Edward Griffin back in the 60s exposing the communist plan to try to create race war in America and how pertinent it was today.
There was an article on Infowars.com about it.
And then there was just a little side issue.
We're linked to these people's YouTube video.
And a bunch of the clips are my clips.
You know, where I went and interviewed Aaron Russo before he died, interviewed Gilbert Griffin on the subject.
So they were putting the clip, and I noticed our website was blurred off of it.
And I don't even care about the credit.
It's just like, here we are promoting somebody's YouTube.
And then they don't even have the common courtesy to not blur out our website.
So I was asking you to add that back in.
dan friesen
Alex cares quite a bit.
unidentified
Yeah!
Yeah!
dan friesen
His clip is really hilarious because it's such a great display of Alex's pettiness.
He's so mad that this person who used a clip of G. Edward Griffin took the InfoWars watermark off it to the point that he has to have Rob Dew put it back on before he'll air it.
I can understand his anger.
You know, it's pretty clear that the reason the person would remove that watermark is because they know that any association with InfoWars will make their video look completely stupid, and they'd rather not have people know about the connection.
jordan holmes
There is that.
dan friesen
We've talked a little bit about G. Edward Griffin in the past.
He's a big old anti-communist weirdo from way back and one of the big players of the John Birch Society.
When Alex says that Griffin exposed that communists were trying to create a race war in America back in the 60s, Alex is really just describing G. Edward Griffin calling the Civil Rights Movement a communist plot.
This was a pretty standard feature in the anti-communist hardliners in the U.S. at the time.
Anytime there was something where white interests were threatened, it was a manifestation of evil communist meddling.
The fight against the brutal apartheid regime in Rhodesia was the work of commies.
Nelson Mandela's campaign against the brutal apartheid regime in South Africa was the work of commies.
You start to notice a little bit of a trend.
jordan holmes
Jews writing screenplays.
dan friesen
Sure.
There are a lot of parallels between the present and 1968, some tenuous and some troubling.
And one of them is the rhetoric coming out of the then-extreme right, which is now the mainstream right.
A lot of that rhetoric mirrors itself.
This isn't because G. Edward Griffin was some kind of a prophet.
It's because how these folks always respond to attempts to create a more equitable society.
The other side of this is that the Communist Party in the United States has a pretty long history of fighting for civil rights.
And so you'll almost...
Always be able to find ways to link the Communist Party to...
jordan holmes
See, look, they're fighting for civil rights.
That's obviously the idea of those communists.
That's how evil they are.
They want people to have equal rights.
And you know why they want people to have equal rights?
dan friesen
Commie stuff.
jordan holmes
Race war.
dan friesen
Commie stuff.
jordan holmes
Because if you've got a race war, then you can swoop in with communism and distribute wealth more equally.
And that's how they're going to...
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex is again teasing getting into this big story, but he seems unable to really get into it.
alex jones
It's perfect timing to get into the Globalist Master Plan at the bottom of the next hour, and I will do it then.
It's just that I probably need to take off for 10 minutes or something, just go in my office with this article, and really just get in the zone and focus on it, because...
jordan holmes
I'm hungry.
alex jones
I don't want to just sit up here and halfway babble about this.
jordan holmes
I got an egg roll.
dan friesen
Yeah, you know what I'm thinking?
It is that he's hungry and he doesn't have a guest coming up.
Yeah, that could be it.
I don't know.
I think there's another possibility in that Alex is just like, I recognize that this is a story that I probably, I like the headline on it, but I don't know where to land.
I don't know what to do with this.
I haven't prepared at all.
Only five hours of preparation today.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
Whatever the case is, he needs to get his bearings in place.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He finally sits down and he decides, let's do it.
Here comes my big story that I've been teasing.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
And so now there are open announcements in every major elite publication about how beautiful and wonderful the end of humanity is going to be because humanity's fallen and ugly and failed.
And that COVID-19 is teaching us to lower our carbon footprint and teaching us to learn to live in our houses and that virtual reality is coming soon that will plug directly into the brain, that will give you this beautiful, wonderful new world, and then you've got to hit the button.
Actually, archetypally shows that at the Wall Street Journal.
And turn off your body and die and stop being a bad carbon life form.
Remember, carbon is bad.
jordan holmes
Okay, come on, buddy.
alex jones
The only thing worse than eating meat is actually being made out of meat.
And that you will then be uploaded and merged with this beautiful, wonderful, super intelligence that will be God, that will be the beast that you worship.
And that you will have to accept that when the beast says it's your time, For the carbon balance, you will go to a facility, you'll be jacked in, they will download your consciousness, and then you will live forever with the superintelligence.
Now, that's in a four-page article in the Wall Street Journal.
dan friesen
I gotta tell you, Alex is completely misrepresenting this article in the Wall Street Journal.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah?
dan friesen
He just saw a headline that had something to do with transhumanism, so he's pretending that it says all the things that he normally talks about when that subject comes up, having not read the article at all.
jordan holmes
Well, it was four pages.
dan friesen
Four pages, as we know.
Too long.
So, if he'd made it to the end of that opinion piece, he would have read this.
As technology makes it possible to escape more of the burdens and dangers of physical existence, this class and professional divide could deepen into an existential one, with the virtual elite being served by an embodied working class.
Of course, wealth and power have always offered some insurance against life's risks.
During the Civil War, Americans could pay a substitute to take their place in the draft.
Soon, you may be able to pay someone to take your place in the disease- and danger-ridden physical world while you stay behind at the safety of a screen.
A transhuman future in which mortality is optional may sound like paradise, but if it arrives sooner for some of us than for others, it could prove to be a dystopia.
The beginning of the essay is about the kind of standard transhumanist ideas about humans being able to develop nanobots or come up with some kind of a method to stop aging and the notion that our consciousness could possibly become, in theory, non-localized.
Then, the main thrust of the article as it goes along seems to be that the current coronavirus pandemic has given us a very teachable moment about these futuristic ideas.
People with different sorts of jobs have different levels of ability to avoid risk in the pandemic, and this reveals an inherent social inequality that could be magnified exponentially in the event of any of these transhumanist fantasies coming to pass.
Read correctly, this article seems to be a piece that looks at a balance.
There's a possibility of amazing technological advancement in the life extension research, even if you only consider the ability we would have to travel around the galaxy.
Simultaneously, it's probably going to be something that, if handled how we handle most things, will be a nightmare where poor people get fucked.
The fact that the writer decided to end on that thought of how this could be a dystopia should be an indication of the impression he wanted to leave the reader with.
I think that's more of his point as a warning.
jordan holmes
In the same way that the top 1% have consolidated wealth beyond reason, now they're essentially consolidating the future as well.
They get to own all of the time.
dan friesen
If these ideas and any kind of breakthroughs that we make aren't handled responsibly and entirely different than we handle a lot of the other capital that we have in the world...
You could very easily see the ways in which it could be used horribly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex hasn't read the article.
He just saw the headline, which is, quote, looking forward to the end of humanity, and he decided that was enough for him.
He knows what's up, and he's just making all the rest of it up.
jordan holmes
That's all he had to do.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
That's all he had to do.
dan friesen
But this guy does his work.
jordan holmes
He went to eat a sandwich.
How dare you say that he had other thoughts?
He read the headline, he ate a sandwich, he came back out and lied.
Yep.
That's his M.O. Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex gets back to talking about this story about the German children.
And I think you notice some of these behaviors.
Just like they're acceleration.
Like there's a push behind them.
alex jones
It's come out the German government was nationwide for 50 years.
Taking tens of thousands, we now learn, of children and giving them to convicted pedophiles to produce the scientific literature of the ultimate family and the ultimate love.
dan friesen
So now the story is that it's tens of thousands of children in Germany who are given to pedophile foster parents.
Alex is just making that up.
He has absolutely no citation or source for that.
This is a pattern of Alex's behavior.
What he tends to do is he finds a story that's true on a basic level.
You know, there's a real story underneath the reporting.
But what Alex did on Sunday was create a fake version of this story that seemed more exciting for him to report, a fake version that fit more in line with his pre-established narratives.
Alex gets bored easily, though, so even the thrill of telling the fake version of this story only lasted a day before he needed to embellish it further.
With no evidence, it's now tens of thousands of children, when the recent report that he's basing this reporting on was 10 children.
He further embellishes the story to say that it went on for 50 years.
The reporting on this, and the headlines themselves, which is all Alex ever reads, even say that it was 30 years.
This is important to understand.
Alex cannot help himself.
He can't resist lying about stories like this to weaponize them against his chosen targets and to rile his audience up.
If he cared about this story or the victims or the responsibility he has to convey accurate information to his listeners, he can never act this way.
It's just a complete...
Fuck you to everything.
jordan holmes
No, he's getting himself off.
How could you do that?
How could you do that unless there was some perverse pleasure that he takes from it?
dan friesen
I think that's an interesting thought, but I would probably be as inclined to believe that it's more a situation where he recognizes how powerful it is for his listeners.
It's such a button for people.
For sure.
You can get them to override a lot of their critical thinking skills.
You can leave them much more into a buying your shit kind of mindset.
It's very extreme and it's very visceral for people.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
And so playing around with that button is something that I think he just understands the power of.
And I think that's what he's doing more than him actually like...
For sure.
jordan holmes
I think personally, like the story itself, yes, of course he's doing that the way he's doing it, but the way that he embellishes it from a day-to-day basis, that to me smacks of something personal inside of him.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
There's something he's getting out of that.
dan friesen
But let me rebut that with a possible personal thing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It could just be a situation where he's, like I said, he gets bored.
Sure.
jordan holmes
Well, that's what I'm saying.
I mean, yeah, there's something that he gets out of it.
dan friesen
It's not like a titillation thing.
It's more of a, like, I have to keep pushing the lie, or else there's no excitement in this for me.
jordan holmes
I understand the perverse kind of makes it feel like that.
I mean, in a perverse, kind of like a twisting of what is reasonable or moral.
unidentified
I'll go along.
jordan holmes
In that kind of sense.
dan friesen
I'll go with you that far.
I thought that you meant that there was, like...
jordan holmes
No, I'm not saying that he...
He's rubbing one out or anything.
Just saying that there's something...
dan friesen
I just wanted to clarify that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So now we get back to Alex talking about his vacation.
And he gets to talking about talking to people.
80 people a day.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
And actually, this is pretty interesting because I think he might be making a turn on cue.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
I was on the coast at the Gulf.
Of Mexico for six days with some of my children and my wife.
And some of my children were with her, my ex-wife.
And most people didn't know who I was.
Maybe 30% did.
But almost everyone else, I'd be at the bar picking up food to take to the room, and they'd be like, Bill Gates launched this attack, it's all a hoax, blah, blah, blah.
The next person, yeah, that guy ought to be put in prison.
I'd be on the elevator.
I'd be at the beach.
I'd be out in the water, and people are talking crap about the New World Order.
And, you know, it almost makes me want to endorse the Q thing, because that's just kind of how the general public finally got into this, and it's nebulous, and it's not really political, because a lot of them were talking about Q, and they were saying a lot of stuff that was true, so I'm kind of like, even if some of the people posting as Q are bad, I was hearing a lot of Q stuff.
I mean, it's...
Whatever.
I just get mad by some of the Q people when they say stuff about me that's not true.
But whatever.
I don't care.
I just want to beat the globalists.
Maybe I should have a whole symposium on the show about Q and really openly try to get to whether it's positive or negative.
I think it's positive if people were rampantly talking about the New World Order.
dan friesen
I don't know how you can just go back and forth on this cue thing.
jordan holmes
I really think you're either in or out on cue.
dan friesen
And guess what?
You can't get in.
They hate you.
jordan holmes
No, they hate you.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
If you can't beat them, join them.
Doesn't work whenever them wants you gone.
dan friesen
I like the idea, though, that maybe he's softening up on this and there will be some desperate overtures that will be mocked and we can call up...
Guys over at QAnon Anonymous to see if there's any rumblings on the message boards.
jordan holmes
That'll be fun.
dan friesen
But we'll see.
So we actually only have one last clip because this episode is not nearly as interesting as the 21st.
That Sunday episode had a lot more really fucked up things.
Because I think it was Alex coming back into Studio Swing and really being a shithead.
And a large portion of the stuff on the 22nd would be just him repeating a lot of the stuff from Sunday.
But Alex was supposed to have an interview with Reverend Childress, who's the guy who believes that abortion is black genocide.
He's the black preacher who Alex had on the day after the Charleston shooting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, now I remember.
unidentified
He cancels.
jordan holmes
He's a great guy.
dan friesen
He cancels.
jordan holmes
Oh, he does cancel.
Yes.
dan friesen
So Alex ends up having to take calls.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
And he gets one caller that he's kind of sick of Trump.
unidentified
First, everybody loves you.
All right?
32 years old, I've been on you since Prison Planet when the internet went BDU to get on.
alex jones
Yes, sir.
unidentified
Everybody loves you.
We have to reevaluate this political situation.
And as a brother in Christ, I want to tell you.
You've been fooled.
Trump has fooled you.
He fooled everybody.
We have to get over that.
We have to go forward.
There's nowhere else to go.
alex jones
At what point did you decide that Trump had fooled you?
jordan holmes
That's a good question.
unidentified
Where I realized it's all a sham.
His money's a sham.
His investments are probably insolvent and probably 90% holding someone else.
dan friesen
Oh, you realize that stuff that Alex said back in 2015?
That's when you realized that Trump was running?
Oh, okay.
I bet it was.
unidentified
I've noticed you just talking about Roger Stone.
That's supposed to be his best friend.
He's letting him go.
If you were my friend and you let me go to prison over nothing, I'd be upset, right?
I mean...
alex jones
Well, the word is he's going to get Clemens here at Pardons.
I think the jury's still out on that one, but listen.
Well, the jury is what you're saying.
Imagine if Hillary had gotten in power and tried all this crap.
dan friesen
So his response to this is like, what about Hillary?
That's all he's got.
It's so weak.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out.
dan friesen
Also, Jordan, I hate to be this guy, but if I got elected president and you got committed for felonies...
You know, you were going to go to prison.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, I'm going to prison.
dan friesen
I wouldn't pardon you.
No, of course not.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't expect you to.
I would expect you to break me out.
dan friesen
Oh, maybe.
It would call into question some of our friendship.
It would be like, wow.
Because I obviously wouldn't have...
jordan holmes
Wait, if I committed a crime?
dan friesen
Especially crimes that were in some way related to my getting elected president.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I mean, this is not true of the Roger and Trump thing.
Sure.
I would not condone those sorts of activities.
And so obviously you would have to be doing those things behind my back and without my permission.
jordan holmes
Unlike Trump and Roger Stone, in which case he was like, yeah, please go do that.
dan friesen
Right.
I think that it would be a breach of our friendship if you did what Roger did without Trump's approval.
Right.
And I would not be pardoning.
jordan holmes
I mean, it would almost be like a situation where you, more than anyone else, would want me punished justly for my crimes.
Because they're a betrayal of you and me.
dan friesen
I would think so.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
Anyway, that's not the case with these jokers.
So, yeah, I mean, we've come to the end of this, and Alex is back, and boy, is he back.
jordan holmes
Do you know what it is about that call that gets me?
Because I...
You know, it's one of those microcosm things that, yeah, I'm not going to extrapolate it onto everybody, but for somebody to say, like, I think we're done with Trump.
He fooled me.
He fooled you.
You fooled everybody.
You fooled everybody.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Thanks, buddy.
Way to read outside of your lunacy nonsense.
unidentified
Right, right.
jordan holmes
But the first thing he goes to is money.
The first thing he says is, he's not actually rich.
dan friesen
Wait a second, this guy's not actually rich.
jordan holmes
It's like, that's what you're going to think about with Trump lying to you.
dan friesen
I mean, that's the biggest deal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like, come on, man.
dan friesen
It's pretty sad.
jordan holmes
That's pathetic.
dan friesen
Yep, these people are very sad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're very sad.
dan friesen
And disgusting.
And I think, like, these, the...
Obviously, the coverage of that German story is repulsive and unacceptable.
But I think looking at what's going on, this praying for the angel of death to come repeatedly is a bad sign.
It's not a good start.
Particularly as...
Tensions rise again as these coronavirus cases are increasing in a number of states.
That tension and that pressure that's being put on and the conversations that are going to need to happen and I believe are already starting to happen about how things are probably just going to have to go back.
They're going to have to be scaled back again.
I don't know how that increased pressure is going to go well when right now Alex is having the conversation of...
God's vengeance must be enacted on my enemies.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, the second lockdown is going to be fucking...
I don't know.
Like, I don't see how you can look at what's going on and not assume there will be a second lockdown, barring some sort of miracle, right?
Like, all the events that we are seeing happen have happened before a few months ago.
It's not like we're dealing with ancient history.
This stuff all happened before a little bit ago.
dan friesen
And the things that you're seeing are all the things that people who are experts in these issues said, this is what's going to happen.
unidentified
This is what's going to happen!
jordan holmes
Everybody who said that this was going to happen was right about what was happening.
And then it's happening.
So now we can assume the chances are they're going to be right about what's happening.
These people are going to lose their fucking minds.
dan friesen
It does seem like it.
jordan holmes
It's going to be insane.
dan friesen
I always hate to have any kind of predict-y or like, this is what's going to happen.
But the trends really don't look good.
I really don't know.
It does make me a bit worried.
But at the same time...
I don't know.
I was going to try and be optimistic, but we'll see.
We'll see what happens.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back, but we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
That's right.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledgefight.com.
Now go to Bed Jordan.
dan friesen
We're on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
We're going to be down with the show that I choose randomly to review.
Or if you could, please find a local charity in your area, a bail fund or the like, and help out people doing God's work right now.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I talk to 80 people a day.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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