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June 15, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
01:37:14
#444: June 11, 2020
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alex jones
12:30
d
dan friesen
01:04:34
j
jordan holmes
15:46
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bill gates
00:35
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stephen colbert
00:11
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alex jones
It's time to pray.
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Need money.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
unidentified
Thanks for holding me.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Quick question.
dan friesen
What up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
Well, interestingly, I guess here's a bright spot.
It's going to be a paradoxical bright spot.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
I was telling you about this before we started recording, about how...
I had some trouble with Xfinity trying to move.
I got my move papers in or whatever, made my request for the transfer of service.
And they got the date wrong.
Of course.
jordan holmes
Xfinity?
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's amazing.
jordan holmes
Crazy.
dan friesen
So instead of my move date, they turned off my internet on Friday night.
And that is not good.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
Because I need the internet in order to do the show.
unidentified
We do a show.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, that doesn't seem like it would be a bright spot.
But the bright spot was while I was talking to the person, I had a zen moment.
They were a parody of themselves.
They were doing such a bad job with customer service and trying to give me what I needed as a customer that I was just like, what is the point?
Why be mad anymore?
unidentified
Why would I yell at this guy?
dan friesen
He can't do anything.
I can't do anything.
This company just sucks.
jordan holmes
You suddenly felt the shape of the universe.
You were like, all is one and it's all garbage.
unidentified
I kind of did.
jordan holmes
Got it.
I understand things now.
dan friesen
I was torn between trying to explain to this guy that any decent person who worked there would quit and then just realize, yeah, people need a job.
What the fuck's wrong with me?
So I just gave up.
jordan holmes
I just get drunk and call people who work at Fox News and I'm like, you gotta quit, man.
dan friesen
I just gave up and laughed.
That's all you can do sometimes.
jordan holmes
Yep, that's basically it.
dan friesen
So how about you?
jordan holmes
Oh, I have a combination, dark spot, bright spot.
dan friesen
Oh, interesting.
We're doing the yin and yang today.
jordan holmes
Today is both, all is one.
So, from time to time, I like to go play stickball with a couple other guys.
We just play a little thing.
dan friesen
Were you a newsie?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
No, it was weird.
I found him outside of an open mic one night playing at the...
dan friesen
Were you found these guys or a stickball?
jordan holmes
No, don't even worry about it.
I'm very confused.
There's a lot of backstory.
There's a lot of boring backstory.
But anyways...
Play with a little tennis ball, some stickball bats.
We have a grand old time.
dan friesen
Sounds like it.
jordan holmes
We were playing in Bucktown and on Milwaukee, like Main Street Milwaukee, there was a guy who had strong Proud Boy vibes.
All black pants, shirtless with terrible tattoos everywhere.
dan friesen
That sounds like a guy.
jordan holmes
Wearing a black bandana for a mask.
It's huge.
Looking like a horrible human being.
And he started harassing what looked like a middle-aged Latinx woman.
And all in full view of us.
And there were plenty of people walking by and nobody was fucking doing anything.
So we wound up running and chasing this dude off.
dan friesen
Your stickball game.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the whole stickball game wound up chasing this fucking dude off, which was...
That was our responsibility.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That wasn't like we did a good deed for the day.
That's what's expected of you in fucking society.
dan friesen
It's just nice that your stickball team is all on the same page.
We're all in this fucking...
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's beat the shit out of this dude.
And we just chased him off, and I didn't get into a fight, so I'm not in jail, so we can still do the show.
Everything's great.
dan friesen
That is a bright spot.
jordan holmes
And she made it home safely.
We helped her get into her, I assume, daughter's car, and everybody was great.
dan friesen
That's fantastic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was a good day.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
So, Jordan, today...
We've got an interesting episode of Alex Jones' show to go over.
We're going to be talking about June 11th, 2020.
I'm Dan.
This is 2020.
unidentified
God damn it.
dan friesen
That is Thursday of last week.
jordan holmes
How are we doing?
Good day?
Not a lot going on Thursday of last week.
dan friesen
This episode is a bit much.
jordan holmes
It's a bit much.
dan friesen
It's a bit much.
jordan holmes
For us?
dan friesen
For me.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I honestly think that at a certain point in this episode, I might hit a point where I'm going to express, That someone needs to take Alex Jones off air.
Someone should sue him.
This is getting really dangerous here on this Thursday show.
So we'll get into that, but before we do, Jordan, we're going to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
So first, David B. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, David B. Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Dan on West Grand.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Dan.
dan friesen
Great name.
Next, Josh G. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Josh.
dan friesen
Thanks, Josh.
Next, Tessa F. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
I was thinking the same thing and I didn't say it.
I gave you the chance.
dan friesen
Next, Jake W. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Jake.
dan friesen
Next, Greg T. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Is that Greg T. Nelson?
dan friesen
Could be.
jordan holmes
Is that him?
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So first of all, Ozma, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Ali V, spelled A-L-L-Y-V-E-E, all one word.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Osman.
Thank you so much, Ali V. Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.
We appreciate that very much.
And if you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoy this show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
We would appreciate it.
Or if you'd like to, please feel free to take that generosity, bundle it up real nice, put some gift wrapping on it, and shuttle it off for a Christmas present in the middle of June.
For a charity in your local area that helps people in need.
jordan holmes
That sounds good.
Whatever that was.
dan friesen
So before we get going on today's episode, I wanted to bring something up, because I got a couple of messages about this, and it was really helpful for me, and I just want to give a correction and slight apology in case this is something that rubbed anyone else who didn't contact me the wrong way.
But I did not realize that I was using the incorrect term for indigenous people in Australia.
On a recent episode, and I used an antiquated, out-of-date term for that.
I just wanted to say thank you to the people who pointed this out and helped me get a better understanding.
People have blind spots.
It's unfortunate, but it is the reality.
There's always an opportunity to hear.
That, hey, this word you're using is bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then stop using it or correct the behavior.
So I appreciate people giving me that opportunity and not jumping down my neck and being like, you asshole.
I appreciate that because life is learning.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
And so apologies that I didn't know before.
And we'll do a better job moving forward.
jordan holmes
I don't know if you know this, but in the American education system...
Caring particularly about indigenous peoples isn't high on the list of things, so we don't always get the correct everything.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we're going to start off with actually getting into the big narrative of this June 11th episode.
Alex starts off with the top story, and God, this was a waste of my time.
alex jones
New York undercover nurse confirms COVID-19 criminal hoax.
She's in the epicenter of the epicenter of the epicenter of where the main deaths are, and she says the people didn't have COVID, and they were putting ventilators on the people and killing them to jack up the numbers, and she has the video.
jordan holmes
Of everyone?
alex jones
She's on Tucker Carlson tonight, I'll just tell you that.
And that's what M4 serves as, is that incubator to do the research, find the intel, the listeners send it to us, We put it out to millions and then it ends up on Limbaugh and Tucker.
And that's why Media Matters hates us so much and always as you're pointing that out.
dan friesen
So this video that Alex is reporting on was put out by a woman named Erin Marie Olszewski.
And I have a number of red flags on this here story.
jordan holmes
The three names.
That's John Wayne Gacy if I ever heard it.
dan friesen
So there's one essential piece to this that doesn't even have to do with the content of what she's saying in the video itself.
And that's that the very act of making this video that she made is a gigantic breach of patient rights to privacy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's illegal.
dan friesen
This point is something that has been made by various medical professionals who are very, very mad about her actions.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would be too.
dan friesen
The unfortunate reality is that most medical professionals could come forward with horror stories and videos that would scare the shit out of us, but they can't due to respecting their profession and the responsibilities that they have to the people that they care about and care for and work with.
Erin decided to videotape people's medical charts and secretly recorded conversations with her colleagues, which you've got to assume is at least going to get her license revoked, if not result in full-on legal trouble.
jordan holmes
She should be in jail, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know about in jail, but at least sued.
Like, it should be...
I can't imagine there not being legal consequences for this.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, you can't do that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
A lot of the claims that she's making in the video are not supported by the actual video, namely that the hospitals are just calling everyone COVID-19 cases, that they're knowingly killing people by hooking them up to...
Oh, boy.
Since these claims are not established by her video itself, I'm left to consider whether or not the person making these claims in this video has a motivation that they're not bringing up to make unfounded claims.
jordan holmes
Is it Jacob Wall in a wig?
dan friesen
I wish.
That would be fun.
jordan holmes
Scooby-Doo moment.
dan friesen
So as it happens, Erin Olszewski is not just a nurse.
In 2018, she founded a group called My Nurse Advocate, which has a pretty ambiguous name.
jordan holmes
Anti-vaxxer.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Already, already.
dan friesen
Can't find a ton of information about this organization.
However, less vague is the name of the other entity that she founded that same year, Nurses for Vaccine Safety Alliance.
Boom!
jordan holmes
I got it in my brain now!
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, she founded Nurses for Vaccine Safety Alliance in October 2018, then My Nurse Advocate in December 2018, then she closed Nurses for Vaccine Safety Alliance in January.
Strange timing.
Almost as if they're the same entity, but one has a name that they realized would set off a ton of alarm bells, whereas My Nurse Advocate is something bland and vague enough to possibly fly under the radar unless Investigator Jordan is on the case.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would say...
Naming your organization Doctors Are Killing Your Children Without Borders is not a good idea.
dan friesen
Nah.
The business address for Nurses for Vaccine Safety Alliance was just a FedEx mailing center in Florida where Aaron lives.
In November 2018, Erin was a guest on a show called Freedomizer Radio, where she gives her bio as her having a Bachelor's of Science in Nursing, but that she, quote, left mainstream nursing and entered into natural health sectors.
At this point, she was already making media appearances trying to spread an anti-vax message, and it's clear that she has no interest in mainstream nursing or medicine.
So it seems super weird that she would get involved at a New York hospital when she's from Florida if she's kind of opposed to the type of medicine.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does raise some red flags for me.
dan friesen
In October 2018, Erin was one of a group of women who arrived at the CDC headquarters in Atlanta to protest the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices.
jordan holmes
Like most investigative journalists, she has no bias whatsoever.
dan friesen
And you know what?
Erin happens to have a book coming out July 6th called The Undercover Epicenter Nurse, which is currently number one on Amazon for pre-orders in the section Nursing, Critical, and Intensive Care.
Section.
jordan holmes
Great, great.
dan friesen
Pretty impressive that you would have been able to be an active participant at this hospital at the center of a pandemic, engage in stealthy undercover investigative work, and manage to crank out a 256-page book.
All in a manner of a couple months.
jordan holmes
Is she John Bolton wearing a wig?
Is that what's going on here?
dan friesen
I don't want to put things too bluntly here, but this whole thing is very suspicious.
Here you have a nurse from Florida who's rejected normal medical practices, who responds to a pandemic by going to New York to work in a heavily affected hospital, who then spends her time unethically documenting things that are protected by privacy rules, who then releases a big expose video right in time to push the pre-sale numbers of her books.
Uh, her book.
Forgive me for sounding a bit jaded, but from where I'm sitting, this seems like a setup.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna go with fuck that lady.
dan friesen
When Alex is saying that she's on Tucker that night, and it has nothing to do with Alex covering it, and then it's making its way to Tucker.
This is just the latest in a shitty right-wing anti-vex attack thing.
There's a whole thing going on.
jordan holmes
This is part of the ecosystem.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're all just attacking the medical community, which these things blow up, like Plandemic and all this, and then Alex tries to take credit for it.
In reality, he's riding the wake of all this.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I was thinking about this.
I realized that Alex is in a weird position now where he doesn't really have a purpose.
No.
Like, Tucker doesn't need Alex to mainstream narratives for him anymore.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Like, Jesse Waters picked up on that thing about George Floyd, but, like, that's pointless.
Like, it's awful and it's disgusting to see Alex's sort of talking points getting laundered, but, like, the big guys, like Tucker and Sean Hannity, don't need Alex.
Like, Tucker's just out there letting it fly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Black people are coming for you.
dan friesen
He can just have, like, the pandemic.
He's not useful to the internet anymore.
They don't need him to amplify their messages.
He has no use.
It's a bummer.
jordan holmes
No, he's boxed in by his racism.
He can't pivot away from...
The only way that he would have any value is if he was outside of that ecosystem.
The ecosystem exists and it can propagate without him entirely.
dan friesen
Yeah, he would be a remarkable person to go on another path.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it would be remarkable to see him try to do the things he does, but for, like, not Trump, I don't know what that would be.
I would certainly hope it would not be him trying to do the Glenn Beck, I'm sorry about all that.
jordan holmes
Oh, that wouldn't happen.
dan friesen
I would not accept that.
Right, right, right, right.
unidentified
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
He could just be like, look, I said that.
Did you believe my bullshit?
Come on now.
Let's all move on.
I was lying, obviously.
dan friesen
Guys, here's how this works.
You take a headline and then you write a story about it.
It's fucking super simple.
So this is the big story, the big narrative on this episode.
It's going to go through a large portion of this.
He plays lots.
Of this video.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And in order to understand and know what was going on, I went and I watched the video and it's trash.
But it's basically what Alex is preoccupied with.
And because this video is so extreme, it makes Alex need to be even more extreme.
alex jones
This is such an over-the-top cult-level exercise of power over us that if people don't hang for this, and I mean hang.
unidentified
Politically.
alex jones
Then the blood's on our hands.
Because it is a pissing in our face event.
And it's not about being pushed around and then, oh, you get mad, so you've got to do something because you're not going to push me around.
It's about what comes next if we put up with this.
dan friesen
The message here, I think, is pretty clear.
He's talking about that video that Aaron Oslowski put out, which Alex is using to assert and fully prove that the coronavirus was a plot from the beginning and that medical doctors are actively killing people in order to get numbers up high enough to appear to be a pandemic.
That's what he's talking about.
Essentially, Alex is putting forth the most vast conspiracy imaginable, involving literally all the doctors and nurses at hospitals around the globe and countless other individuals, all conspiring together to pull off a fake pandemic for some reason.
This is nonsense, and none of the information he's put forth on this subject is in any way conclusive, and this newest piece of evidence honestly feels more like a person trying to buzz market their new book.
There is absolutely no way that anyone is, quote, going to hang for whatever conspiracy Alex thinks he's proven, because he and his shoddy sources are all making it up.
There isn't going to be a day where Anthony Fauci is tried for the coronavirus and is hanged.
That's just Alex's fantasies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's doubtful.
dan friesen
But this is what Alex is demanding.
And if this doesn't happen, then the blood is on all of Alex's audience's hands.
Alex is making his listeners guilty for the eventual deaths that come from COVID-19 because somehow they didn't get Fauci hanged.
You can easily see how this is an incitement to violence.
This is a man saying that if these people he's decided are guilty of running a fake pandemic aren't killed, then everyone who follows him are responsible for the deaths that happen.
You don't want to be responsible for all those deaths?
Well, maybe you should take matters into your own hands to keep the blood off them.
This is a profoundly dangerous mentality to push onto the wide audience that might just include some seriously unbalanced people, as Alex's audience clearly does.
One of the things that makes it most dangerous is that when you understand what Alex is talking about, He's not just talking about people like Fauci needing to hang.
He's talking about all these doctors and unnamed nurses at various hospitals.
Part of Olszewski's video is alleging that the doctors in the hospital were killing patients.
And that's what Alex is talking about in that clip I just played.
He's calling for the hangings of countless medical professionals around the country.
And if this doesn't happen, well then the audience has that blood on their hands.
It would be really hard for an unhinged person to attack and enact Alex's vengeance on someone like Fauci or Bill Gates, but it would be less difficult to attack a hospital, and this is a real serious threat right now.
On March 24th, the FBI tried to arrest a man named Timothy Wilson, having had him under investigation for six months.
Wilson was a white supremacist who had decided to bomb a hospital because of, quote, the increased impact given the media attention in the health sector.
On March 24th, he met up with an undercover officer thinking he was picking up a bomb, and when the arrest started, he initiated a shootout resulting in his death.
This is not an isolated incident.
On May 11th, St. Helena Hospital in Napa Valley had to be evacuated after a bomb threat.
On June 9th, a 33-year-old man named Robert Rodin arrived at Stony Brook Hospital in New York, quote, wearing a tactical vest and carrying operable homemade bombs, a BB gun, a hatchet, and handcuffs.
On June 11th, someone called in a bomb threat to the University of Illinois Hospital here in Chicago, again having to shut down the building for a period of time.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
There's a seriousness to this issue that takes this kind of rhetoric that Alex is putting forth and transforms it from goofy, stupid conspiracy theorist into guy who has a considerable chance of getting people killed with this kind of nonsense.
This video that Alex is covering is a blatant piece of shit, anti-vax propaganda nonsense, and the shift that it represents is terrifying.
Instead of taking aim at the faceless big pharma and the nebulous idea of the globalists who push vaccines, this video takes aim at the frontline doctors, nurses, and other healthcare workers who are risking their lives to treat people.
This is a very serious escalation, and I really worry about what it pretends.
Like, where are you going to take this narrative from here?
Whatever happens, Alex is playing with fire.
And it's absolutely something that's inexcusable.
No matter what the consequences come, the possibility of what you could be creating with that is just like, why would you do that?
Why would you do this?
jordan holmes
It is one of those things where now you say you could pivot away from somewhere else, but it's like you can't have him...
That rhetoric...
Could be applied in some ways to the situation we're in from the reverse.
Trump is doing all of this bullshit that is all of these people reopening the country.
All of this stuff is going to get more people killed.
All of these white supremacists going around fucking people up.
Calling in bomb threats, carrying fucking bombs.
They're fucking people up.
And Alex Jones on the other direction would be saying, if you don't kill a white supremacist, you've got their blood on your hands.
And that's not how you solve any problems.
That's not what you do and it's wrong.
dan friesen
No.
People who are calling for defunding the police and stuff like that.
I'm interested in those discussions.
But if there was anybody who was of the relative...
Stature of Alex Jones calling for murdering cops.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
Get the fuck out.
dan friesen
Yeah, I would not be down with that kind of...
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
dan friesen
I just don't understand how Alex can't get what he's doing.
He's doing it again.
Like, this is the same sort of behavior that he's engaged in that has got him into trouble.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he gets what he's doing.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean...
jordan holmes
He's trying to get people killed.
dan friesen
This is the same thing as...
You know, the Sandy Hook stuff.
Like, incitement towards these families of victims.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And, you know, people calling and threatening their lives over it.
It's the same behavior, and I don't understand how he doesn't...
I mean, you say he has to understand, and I bet he probably does.
jordan holmes
He has to.
dan friesen
But it's just fucked up.
jordan holmes
Of course he understands.
That's what he and his ilk get the fuck off on, is fantasies of hurting people.
Of murdering people.
And so he's just expressing his fantasies.
And he knows that what the end result of his fantasy is, is people dying.
So he has to know what he's doing.
dan friesen
But he thinks that he's on the right side of things because he thinks that there's hundreds of doctors that have all exposed how this is all a fraud and what have you.
alex jones
There have been hundreds of medical doctors, hundreds, that have come out in Europe, the United States, Canada, the U.S. Hundreds of nurses.
Prestigious university scientist, the head of the Rockefeller Hospital, the Cedars-Sinai clinic owners, have all come out and said, we're having the normal amount of deaths from seasonal flu and pneumonia.
And they're just putting all those in the COVID column and these tests are fake.
And Bill Gates is testing the main testing factory.
He's been shut down as a fraud.
That's been confirmed.
dan friesen
There have not been hundreds of doctors that have come out and said the shit that Alex is claiming, but he's welcome to provide references for that if he'd like to.
I've watched every specific instance that he's brought up, and I could think there's like maybe five.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
A couple of them are chiropractors.
jordan holmes
Sure, they count.
dan friesen
There's two clinical, like the guys who run the urgent care clinic in Bakersfield.
There's, like, Judy Makovitz, the Plandemic.
jordan holmes
Tons.
There's not, like, the list goes on and is over now.
dan friesen
My guess is that Alex is not going to provide those references, and the reason I feel strongly about that is because he said, quote, the head of the Rockefeller Hospital, Cedars-Sinai, as one of his references.
This is a case of Alex mixing up his narratives.
Cedar Sinai is supposed to be part of his Trump was right to suggest injecting disinfectants into people talking point, which has nothing to do with the COVID-19 denialism.
Alex is just grasping at straws, trying to pull out every name of anything close to the medical field he can, and in doing so you can see how he has no grasp on even his own conspiracy theory.
jordan holmes
And everybody knows the Rockefeller Hospital only serves Rockefellers.
unidentified
It's true.
jordan holmes
And not even people in the family, just anybody with the name Rockefeller.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's the only people they serve.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so that's the only ones we have to worry about.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
I'm trying to think of another non-Rockefeller Rockefeller.
jordan holmes
Jay Rockefeller?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
He was pretty great.
dan friesen
All right.
So also, there are not a normal number of deaths happening currently.
There very well may be a normal number of deaths coming from the flu, but these aren't COVID-19 deaths.
There is a very widespread phenomenon of excess deaths that Alex has not given an explanation for.
Now I guess he's just decided to deny is happening?
jordan holmes
Don't exist!
dan friesen
That's a pretty fucked up thing to do, but it makes sense as part of his...
Almost entirely fictional realities presenting to the audience.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, if you're going to try and get people killed with active violence, you also have to try and get people killed passively by making them ignore the...
Yeah, you just got to get it all out of the way.
dan friesen
So the Gates-linked lab that Alex is referring to, the Seattle Coronavirus Assessment Network, wasn't shut down because of fraud.
It was a temporary closure over a technicality about them being cleared to release test results to civilians.
They'd already gotten state approval, but the federal government put a hold on their program because they said they needed federal approval as well.
As a little update on that, by the way, the Seattle Times reported on June 10th that this program is now back up and running, having found a workaround.
They're still working with the FDA to be granted full federal approval for the release of results, but in the meantime, they submitted to a review board with the University of Washington and the Seattle Children's and Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, which has offered to provide oversight and implement this program as a study.
Running this as a review board-approved study allows for the tests to be processed without federal approval, but again, they are also still working to get that federal approval.
Time is of the essence of something like this.
So this is a way that their work can proceed and they can also follow appropriate FDA steps.
Alex is making up that they were shut down for fraud because he's making all of this up.
His story has no connection to reality, and he doesn't even remember what words mean in terms of his own conspiracy.
It's just fucking pathetic.
jordan holmes
I think you have given him way too much credit.
I don't think he remembers what words mean.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
The end.
dan friesen
That's fair.
So Alex gets to talking more about this situation with this video that this New York nurse put out.
Man, this is bad.
alex jones
Another nurse at the epicenter.
Of the epicenter.
jordan holmes
Wuhan?
alex jones
A supposed COVID-19 outbreak shot video of it all in the computers and in the operatories and in the beds, in the rooms, showing total premeditated criminal fraud.
Not just saying people had COVID that didn't.
She has all the tests.
They'd test them three times, and they'd say, we don't care.
Put COVID in, and then they'd run a tube down their throat.
These are people that are healthy.
and destroy their lungs and kill them.
unidentified
Thank you.
alex jones
They've turned the hospitals into execution centers.
dan friesen
I went and I watched Aaron's video, and I mean, there's just immediate problems that you have with it.
First, about three minutes in, she's pulling up one of her patient's charts on her cell phone and showing it to the camera.
The person's name is very sloppily blurred, but I would bet just about anything that it would be very easy to unblur that with minimal amounts of Photoshop, which strikes me as very irresponsible.
It's really sloppy as a redaction.
Then, about five and a half minutes in, they show some undercover footage that Erin got where she's looking at someone's chart where it says that they're a confirmed COVID-19 case, but the tests in the chart say, quote, no traces found.
This is a problem, because based on everything we as viewers have been shown, there's no way to tell if this isn't that same person's chart from her cell phone that she pulls up later.
There could easily be, like, one person that she's talking about.
And there could be an explanation for this.
Like, for instance, the doctors were worried that this was a case with a false negative result, where the patient had all the symptoms of COVID-19 and had a history of close contact with people who had tested positive.
Without more information, we don't know what the circumstances are here, and it's just sloppy work.
jordan holmes
No, I think we know.
I don't need any further proof.
dan friesen
To make matters worse, in her investigative secret camera video, Aaron is asking another nurse about why the test appears to show a negative result, but the patient is said to be positive.
The video is edited to end just before the other nurse gives her answer, which is super suspicious.
It almost makes you think that maybe there was an answer that made sense, but it completely blew up the predetermined anti-vax narrative Aaron was sending out to put forward, so they just cut it out.
That might be what it is.
Because, I mean, look.
Yeah.
I can see a possibility where the test came back negative and they were like, everything else about this says COVID-19.
We're going to go ahead and assume moving forward because I don't see what's...
jordan holmes
I don't know any more about it other than you.
Also, does nose traces found directly link to COVID?
Does it say like...
dan friesen
It appears to, but I don't know.
jordan holmes
It appears to, but you don't know.
It could be anything.
It could be nose traces of alcohol found.
dan friesen
No, I don't think it's that far afield.
But I don't know how to read this medical chart that she's just pulling up in this video.
No shit.
I watched her video, but my desire to discuss it fell apart really quickly.
I think that this would be a fantastic opportunity for the hospital and the other staff to sue the shit out of her.
If she's willing to put out this kind of a stunt in a YouTube video, then she needs to defend this in court.
If Erin were serious about this, she wouldn't have released it as a suspiciously edited YouTube video full of claims she doesn't prove right before her tell-all book comes out.
She would have filed a lawsuit against the hospital or something along those lines.
She's literally accusing people of murder.
A shitty YouTube video is not the place to do that if you mean it.
If you really are serious about this, then you should be taking action in that front as opposed to...
Whatever this is.
jordan holmes
Eh, you know, you uncover a massive global conspiracy to purposefully kill patients, and you make a YouTube video, Dan.
That's the course of action that makes sense to me.
dan friesen
So there's a bunch of claims that she makes in the video that sound wild until you look for context.
For instance, she claims that everything was crazy in the hospital, and there was a dentist in charge of the ICU.
A fellow practitioner at the hospital clarified this, saying, They're an extension of the nursing staff, so we can provide more time caring for our patients and less time answering phone calls and talking to families.
That's suspiciously not brought up in Erin's video because the video's a load of shit.
You can find some accounts from other people who were at the hospital she was at, but of course, they're bound by medical ethics, so they can't discuss patients.
But what they can do is express how much things like this video hurt.
One fellow nurse at Elmhurst, that's the hospital she was at, said, quote, To express the level of betrayal, hurt, doubt, pure disgust, and anger is something I cannot put into words.
Working at a level one trauma center in a hurricane-prevalent area, I came to Elmhurst to give the regular staff some reprieve, a fresh face, a strong skill set, and to answer my nursing oath.
I thought others did too, and man, did this one nurse prove me wrong.
We were welcomed with open arms and air hugs.
Put simply, I believe that you can sum their message up as, go fuck yourself, Aaron.
This is ridiculous.
jordan holmes
I think the world should sum our message up with, go fuck yourself.
dan friesen
Calling doctors murderers.
No shit.
And to be clear, don't do this on a YouTube video.
If you mean this, don't do this on a YouTube video.
That to me is amazingly ridiculous.
Even accepting that is a weird thing to imagine.
Whatever.
Anyway, Alex gets into...
See, you can tell from her past movements that she's involved in that probably a large part of what's motivating this is a desire to work against vaccines, like a potential coronavirus vaccine that might be in development.
jordan holmes
And maybe make a little grift on the top of it.
dan friesen
And that's not necessarily super explicit in the actual video.
But if you listen to Alex's coverage of it, it becomes totally clear that he gets the point.
alex jones
You know, I've asked David Knight, who's a great guy.
I've asked them all to go back to the old interviews from like five years ago and to get those nurses back on.
Or we'll open the phones up and have nurses contact us again and we'll vet who they are and then have them on the air as whistleblowers.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out.
alex jones
They can stay private or go public.
But you understand when they give preemies vaccines, about half the time they end up dying when they're little preemies.
dan friesen
What?
So, a couple things real quick here.
It's a widely known medical reality that premature babies are at a greater risk of many diseases which are preventable with vaccines, including the whooping cough and pneumococcal disease.
Premature babies are in a position where they are at a far higher risk if they are not vaccinated as compared to full-term births.
Most vaccines are supposed to be administered to premature births at the same schedule as their full-term counterparts, with a couple exceptions, like rotavirus.
The vaccines require a slightly different schedule, but people understand that.
There's a lot of myths that go around about it being inappropriate or dangerous to vaccinate premature babies, but there's no evidence that I can find that this is the case.
A lot of that comes from ideas about a child's immune system not being fully developed in the gestational period, but this turns out to not be as big a deal as it might appear.
A 2015 analysis in the journal Human Vaccines and Immunotherapies found that, quote, while absolute primary antibody responses may be lower in preterm compared to term infants vaccinated according to chronological age, the majority achieve antibody concentrations higher than levels generally accepted to correlate with protection.
I can find no evidence that there's any increased mortality risk related to premature babies being vaccinated and definitely no evidence that half of them die.
That's completely absurd, and honestly, the opposite is closer to reality.
Due to the increased danger that vaccine-preventable diseases pose to premature births, not vaccinating them is probably far more likely to lead to death than vaccinating.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
If you pay close attention, though, like I said, you can see the game.
The whole coverage of the undercover video exposing COVID-19 isn't meant to help anyone treat COVID-19 better or hold these doctors responsible for their alleged murders.
It's to promote anti-vax narratives.
And you can see how Alex instinctually knows that.
He goes from this video and smoothly transitions into an attack on vaccines because that's what this is all about.
He gets it.
jordan holmes
I just don't understand the confidence.
I just don't get that level of insane confidence to be like, I know how big medical textbooks are.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
And I haven't read any of them.
And doctors have read a lot of them.
I don't know the confidence of somebody who's not read any of those textbooks and is just like, they're all lying.
They don't know a fucking thing about this.
Vaccines will kill you.
dan friesen
I sprained my ankle once.
jordan holmes
Premature babies die 50% of the time if they get a vaccine and it doesn't matter what vaccine that I'm talking about.
dan friesen
I mean...
It's just a ludicrous thing.
jordan holmes
It's bananas.
dan friesen
One of the sites that I was looking at was saying that approximately 10% of births are premature.
If half of the babies who are vaccinated...
jordan holmes
5% of all babies die.
dan friesen
Seems high.
jordan holmes
That seems like a lot.
dan friesen
Anyway, in this next clip, Alex gets finally to talking about the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone in Seattle.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
I'm sure he views it as a libertarian space where they've kicked out all of the authorities and they're treating it as though...
No, no, no, because it really is that.
There's no authorities.
No, there's no laws.
It's a sovereign citizen paradise, Dan, honestly.
dan friesen
Slightly different take.
Oh, it's different take?
unidentified
He doesn't spend a whole lot of time talking about the zone itself.
jordan holmes
Probably because it'd be hard to defend.
dan friesen
He kind of just has one focus.
alex jones
And then, yeah, then we've got Seattle now.
A large part of the city is controlled by a self-described African warlord.
And there's videos of him running around.
Folks, this guy, running around beating people up, calling himself and his armed goons the police department.
dan friesen
So, this is...
jordan holmes
You know, that's a lie worthy of the Seattle Police Department.
dan friesen
This is a lie worthy of Alex.
You're swinging, buddy.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
So, he's talking about the Capitol Hill autonomous zone that protesters have set up in Seattle, which is not a large part of the city.
It's this one police station that the police vacated, which is now a community center, and the area two blocks in each direction.
I have no idea about the inner workings of what's going on there, nor can I pretend to know what's going to happen with it in the future, but from all external appearances, Fine.
There are people making art, people feeding folks for no charge, and the vibe seems kind of like a giant block party.
Now, granted, there are barricades that have been set up to block vehicle traffic, and so the cops can't get in, which is something that probably is very scary to Alex Jones, who I will remind you is all in on the Malwhore Wildlife Refuge occupation.
jordan holmes
Of course, of course.
dan friesen
You know, things change.
jordan holmes
Nothing is more terrifying to these people than realizing that when people live without the cops, they're fine.
Like, that is a really threatening idea, that if there are no cops and everybody is fine, and in fact, maybe not getting as violent as otherwise, ooh, really, really ruins your job, doesn't it?
dan friesen
It appears to be, but I've tried to look into this a bit, and I've seen some reporting from there, and I've seen videos, and, you know, the vibe I get is that.
But I also don't want to commit too hard in case...
There's a perception problem that's going on.
You know what I mean?
Sure, sure, sure.
I have a tentative stance on this.
jordan holmes
Well, there is a certain vested interest in it looking good and working.
From people who want it to.
dan friesen
In the same way that there's a vested interest for the right wing to pretend that it's entirely on fire and it's most of the city.
From Chicago, it's difficult for me to tell exactly what the pure reality of it is.
And I'm sure the pure reality of it is fucking complicated even if you're there and enmeshed in it.
I can't imagine it being the sort of thing where you could be like...
Well, here's what's going on one sentence.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, there's no matter how many...
Videos I watch on Twitter about this, I'm not going to get the clear picture of what's going on.
dan friesen
Probably not.
So the video that Alex is talking about is this rapper, an activist named Raz Simone, who is a black man who is not shy about pointing out that he's armed and he carries his permit on him.
jordan holmes
Does he self-describe as an African warlord?
dan friesen
I don't know about that.
So the video is of Simone approaching an individual who's putting graffiti up on a building, which is apparently a home or workplace of someone who probably doesn't want their walls tagged up.
Simone tries to explain to him that the business is nice enough to let people be there in the autonomous zone and that, quote, we are the cops now.
Simone isn't saying that he and his team runs an imaginary big goon squad that they're the cops.
He's pointing out that in the absence of cops there, everyone has their own responsibility to the community.
A fight does seem to break out, but it's pretty clearly the guy who's spray painting who's the aggressor in making the situation escalate.
At least that's what it appears to be.
Simone appears to be trying to get the guy to respect the person's property, which Alex should be into, and the guy won't listen.
It's really hard to tell from the footage, but it appears that it was the spray painter who was the person who makes it physical.
When people tweeted the video out and portrayed it as horrific lawlessness, Simone replied, quote, this actually went beautifully and we all hugged it out and spoke with his dad.
His dad now wants me to mentor him.
It was great black dialogue and men apologizing to each other, abandoning pride.
We all hugged each other, cried it out, and it was beautiful.
jordan holmes
That sounds like an African warlord to me!
dan friesen
That might be true, but it's also not in the video.
It's just what he's saying happened afterwards.
I don't have any reason to doubt him, but I can't prove that that is the end result of it, so let me take it for what it's worth.
jordan holmes
Well, if he's lost a hand, then I will accept the African warlord thing.
dan friesen
Whatever your perspective is on the Autonomous Zone, one thing that's absolutely an unfair characterization is painting Raz Simone as a warlord over the area.
That's an explicitly racialized characterization that Alex is using, and he's weaponizing it to scare right-wing audiences.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
The right-wing is doing it on their own, and Alex is going much further with it, saying he's an African warlord.
Simone was born in Seattle.
I mean, for Christ's sake, in 2016, he was opening for Macklemore.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And that's how you know he's an African warlord, Dan.
dan friesen
I can understand.
jordan holmes
I need to see his long-form birth certificate.
dan friesen
I can understand some people having ambivalence about people occupying a couple blocks in a major U.S. city, but this kind of shit is just too much.
This is racist incitement, which is ironic given that the autonomous zone itself grew out of protests related to racism.
But I mean, what are you going to do?
jordan holmes
What happens when people fight back against your racism, Dan?
The only way to beat it is by becoming more racist.
See, that'll do it.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that wins.
dan friesen
So Alex is pretty preoccupied about Raz Simone.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And so he talks a little bit more about him here.
alex jones
And the Antifa says that they control this sector of the city and they've appointed...
jordan holmes
Antifa does not do that.
alex jones
A black dictator over themselves.
jordan holmes
Did not appoint anybody.
Antifa doesn't appoint.
alex jones
He explains how he's going to, quote, shoot everyone.
unidentified
Quote.
alex jones
I mean, this is joke level, ladies and gentlemen.
jordan holmes
This is not satire.
alex jones
This is not fake.
This guy's real.
And this is the left's god.
dan friesen
So Antifa is not a formal group, and as such, they have no ability to appoint a leader.
Further, Raz Simone is not the leader of the autonomous zone, and he's not the left's god.
This is a fun game for Alex to try and rile up his audience's racist fears, but it's not real at all.
Also, Raz Simone did not say he was going to shoot everyone.
His most recent release was a song called Shoot at Everyone.
It's a song about how much pain he feels, largely about estrangement from his son, and the chorus begins, quote, See, there's a pain that I feel in my heart that just can't be numbed.
Sometimes I want to shoot at everyone.
It's not the best song ever, but it's honestly pretty good.
I enjoyed it.
I expected it to be...
Whenever you hear an artist is involved in something that's not music and you become aware of them and you go check out...
I found that a lot of the times I end up being disappointed.
But actually, it was pretty good.
I listened to it twice.
If that gives you any indication.
jordan holmes
You rarely listen to songs that you don't like twice.
dan friesen
So Alex is trying to present this as a threat that Simone is making about things at the Autonomous Zone, but really it's just a song he wrote about how much it hurts to be a father who has a strained relationship with his child.
It came out in April.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway.
jordan holmes
Well, this was right when the Autonomous Zone started, right?
In April.
That's why he wrote the song.
dan friesen
This is almost a parody level of Alex trying to create a black boogeyman for his audience to be afraid of.
jordan holmes
In his own words, this is joke level.
dan friesen
Granted, I mean, Alex isn't alone in his quest.
The right-wing media is really fine and joining in, but this is profoundly racist stuff.
He plays a music video of Raz Simone's where he's throwing cash out of the back of a car and stuff.
It's like, what are you doing?
You're depriving all of this of any context in order to frighten old white people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
He might as well be like...
dan friesen
It's amazing.
jordan holmes
Alex might as well be like, quote, he said, I'm going to fuck all of your white daughters.
Is that what you want?
dan friesen
End quote.
So Alex lies more about this.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
He catches some antifa guy tagging, and he says that's not authorized, so he beats him up and steals his phone.
That's reparations.
I cannot make it up.
dan friesen
Yes, you can!
Not sure about this.
jordan holmes
Yes, you can!
dan friesen
Not sure about this.
So now, Alex makes the weirdest fucking face I've ever seen when he says, for reparations.
There's a smug, snarky little look on his face.
jordan holmes
Like he won?
dan friesen
Like he's proud of himself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like he made a three-pointer.
Like Steph Curry did a little shimmy after a three.
dan friesen
When you're on stage doing stand-up and you think of the perfect response to somebody and you make a little huh kind of face, it's that kind of thing.
Alex thinks that saying for reparations I fucking improv'd the best line there.
That's the look he's got.
And now, this is where things get really interesting.
And I will say that watching Aaron's nurse video was a waste of an hour of my time.
This was also a huge waste of my time, and I'm still super confused.
Mic down for this clip, because you need to hear what confused me.
alex jones
And he says that's not authorized, so he beats him up and steals his phone.
His reparations.
You cannot make it up because the good people won't stand up and say no.
The very worst...
You get collapsed societies is appeasement.
dan friesen
So there, it's clear that something was cut out.
jordan holmes
Something was cut out.
dan friesen
So that was from the audio feed, right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so...
jordan holmes
The very worst people, blank, cut out.
dan friesen
Yeah, I was like, okay, so he probably swore or something like that.
Because the audio feeds that I get are generally Genesis Communications feeds.
And so those are the ones that are probably being broadcast on whatever few radio stations are left.
And so, yeah, they've got to cut that stuff out.
So I went and I looked for Alex's version on band.video.
And I was like, what do we got here?
And here's what it is on band.video.
alex jones
And he says that's not authorized, so he beats them up and steals his phone as reparations.
You cannot make it up because the good people won't stand up and say no.
So call everyone you know.
Tell them to tune in because we're going to lay it all out here today.
dan friesen
There's even more cut out of this version, but also they added a weird flash effect to try and cover up the jump cut in the video.
Something is really up here, and Alex said something that they needed to bury.
Whatever there's a string of profanity that gets cut out of the audio feed, it's still on band.video.
But this time, he had his team cut out something.
jordan holmes
Intentionally.
dan friesen
There's something that was intentionally cut out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm gonna go with on a limb, I'll give you two to one odds the N-word was dropped liberally.
dan friesen
Well, I thought that that was a chance.
Or he said something like too fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And honestly, I managed to find it.
I don't give up on things like this.
So I hunted down another version of the full feed of his show, and I found what was cut out.
I'm more confused than I've ever been.
alex jones
In the real world, he catches some Antifa guy tagging, and he says that's not authorized, so he beats him up and steals his phone.
That's reparations.
You cannot make it up, because the good people won't stand up and say no, The very worst ends up ruling.
That's how you get warlords.
That's how you get collapsed societies is appeasement.
So call everyone you know.
Tell them to tune in because we're going to lay it all out here today.
dan friesen
This is an interesting situation because I don't feel like this clip is any more offensive or blatantly racist than any of the other things Alex has been saying.
But for some reason, a conscious decision was made not only by Alex, but also by Genesis Communications Network to cut that part out of the show.
I don't know exactly what's up here.
So I considered the possibility that there's some kind of a glitch or a recording problem, but the stream that you can find that just records it directly as it airs has perfect audio and video.
There's no problem there at all.
The decision to cut that portion out was intentional.
And I think I know what led to it being cut out.
jordan holmes
Nixon?
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
If you watch the video, Alex makes that snarky reparations joke that's not actually based on anything except his racist imagination of how that encounter went down between Simone and the spray painter.
Alex then says the good people and gestures with both hands at himself.
unidentified
Oh!
dan friesen
He then says that when these good people don't stand up, the quote, very worst...
Then he trails off.
He's gesturing towards the video screen, which is playing the visuals of one of Raz's music videos, with his hand making an OK sign when he says the very worst.
It seems clear to me that someone was in his ear, because there was a look of confusion on Alex's face.
It looks like he's trying to take in information, which makes sense.
One of the producers is probably telling him that the optics of this are a disaster, and he needs to bail right now.
I don't know if the okay sign is intentional as a white supremacist thing, but it certainly doesn't look good, and the fact that this was the part that they cut out of the show on his own platform only adds to the sort of suspicion about what could this have been about.
I have no idea if this was the case.
I'm just spitballing here.
And I'm just guessing what happened was the producers hit the delay button while they were in Alex's ear, which would explain that they have the sloppier chunk added out on the version that would be on the Genesis Communications version.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Because that's just got the hard...
jordan holmes
Right.
There's only a certain number of seconds or whatever.
dan friesen
And then in-house, they cleaned it up a little bit more and made it look like nothing had happened for the version that was on Band.Video.
I strongly suspect that that was what happened, but I don't know what it is.
I know Alex is saying...
Saying the good people and gesturing at himself and saying the very worst and pointing at Raz Simone.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Who, like, you know, I get that.
I mean, that's racist.
jordan holmes
I mean, he's a vicious racist, but that doesn't seem outside of his normal vicious racism.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
If you're going to cut that out, fucking cancel the show.
unidentified
There's nothing about that that's worse than Alex's normal racism.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Maybe they've even figured out that Alex should just cut his entire show.
They're just trying to take little chunks of it at a time.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that took a long time for me to sort out, and I feel a little underwhelmed.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
dan friesen
Because there's not anything, like, you were predicting he was going to drop N-bombs.
jordan holmes
I was assuming.
dan friesen
I thought there would probably be something at least, like...
I mean, I don't know.
Some sort of a slur.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But, I mean, it is offensive what he said.
Don't get me wrong.
Like, I would have cut that out as well.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would have cut out everything.
I would be like, don't talk about this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I would have actually gone with, like...
dan friesen
I would have cut the segment and then just shelved the show and fired Alex.
That's what I would have done.
jordan holmes
That would have been a smart move.
dan friesen
But if you're in for a penny, I don't understand why you're not in for a pound here.
I don't get it.
jordan holmes
I'm telling you right now, pot commitment is a fallacy, Dan.
You're never pot committed.
That doesn't make any sense.
dan friesen
Sunk losses.
jordan holmes
Doesn't make any sense.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Alex moves on from this topic, and he decides that he's going to talk about Bill Gates, because apparently Bill Gates runs everything now.
alex jones
And if you look at Bill Gates publicly promoting, kill granny, kill old people, and depopulate the planet, and then you learn that he wrote the actuaries and the battle plan with the NIH and with the UN on record and ran the Wuhan lab and ran the weaponized COVID-19 operation.
So they'd have the whole response all programmed out.
But you also want to then corrupt the medical facilities and have them sign on to your evil operation because now they're going to defend it no matter what because they don't want to go to prison.
This is how you set people up.
And they had tabletop exercises lockstep 10 years ago.
jordan holmes
Meh, meh, meh.
dan friesen
So I wanted to play that clip because, like, first of all, Bill Gates got to be busy as hell.
And then, also, I wanted to demonstrate that this is kind of Alex's new version of the narrative, now that this nurse has come out with her video claiming that doctors are killing patients on purpose.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Now Alex is working in this whole thing about the globalists needing to corrupt all the doctors so they can't speak out against Bill Gates' evil plans.
This is a really important piece of any conspiracy theory, which is the explanation for why there aren't hundreds of people confirming what your sources are claiming and what you think you've proven.
jordan holmes
Because they're...
Fucking in on it, Dan.
dan friesen
Alex's version of this now is that they get the doctors to kill people.
And then they can't talk up because they're in on it now.
It's like getting, you know, you have to kill someone to get in a gang.
Of course!
jordan holmes
You either recite serials or you kill somebody.
Those are the only two ways to enter a gang, I believe.
dan friesen
So, I mean, Alex has got a bunch of sketchy looking sources that back up these claims and the rest of it is basically just making up.
But if any of that was real, there would be an avalanche of people.
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Doctors and nurses do not want to kill you.
It's the opposite.
So there would be something, you know...
jordan holmes
That feels like you shouldn't have to say that out loud.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If there were something even close to what Alex is describing happening, there would be a near unimaginably large number of healthcare professionals coming forward, as opposed to just one alternative health nurse who founded multiple anti-vax outlets and is trying to promote a book.
Also, lockstep wasn't a drill or a tabletop exercise.
It wasn't even a plan.
It was one of four scenarios that was imagined as a way to conceive ways that technological advancement, particularly as it relates to the developing workplaces, world could proceed in the coming years.
Alex didn't read that actual paper and is just lying about it being a plan because he is a huge liar.
unidentified
Liar!
jordan holmes
I fucking hate these.
You can't be like, oh, Bill Gates' plan to kill Granny and all that shit.
Whenever two months ago your very lieutenant governor was like, old people should go to work and die.
Just so everybody else will be fine.
dan friesen
Not only.
jordan holmes
Like, you can't have it.
dan friesen
Not only the lieutenant governor, Alex himself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Yes.
People are going to die, and it's real sad.
jordan holmes
And they're going to die anyways.
And now Bill Gates wants to kill Granny.
dan friesen
And that's not even a fair assessment of what Bill Gates was saying.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Anyway, Bill Gates has said some other things.
alex jones
And I said, this is a drill.
There's going to be new Chimera COVIDs released, and then Gates is going to own it.
And then sure enough, he went on Colbert a few months after I said that and said, oh, this is kind of a drill.
This is just event one.
The big event's coming.
Terrorists are going to release a weaponized form of this.
But don't worry, I'll have a vaccine for you.
And he's got it.
dan friesen
So first of all, Bill Gates doesn't have a vaccine for this, nor does he have a patent on the coronavirus.
This is all just stuff that Alex took from a chicken vaccine patent that was owned by the Peerbright Institute, which had received some funding from the Gates Foundation.
Well, Bill, since...
unidentified
You tried to warn us about this pandemic, and we didn't listen.
stephen colbert
What's the next thing you're warning us about that's going to happen five years from now that we're not listening to at the present?
bill gates
Well, I didn't want to be right.
What I wanted to do is...
jordan holmes
I understand.
I'm not saying you won.
Everybody loses.
Nobody wins with us.
unidentified
And I'm not saying that you're...
jordan holmes
This is not an end zone dance.
I'm just saying...
stephen colbert
What else are we not listening to that we need to take action on now?
bill gates
Well, the idea of a bioterrorist attack is kind of the nightmare scenario because a pathogen with a high death rate would be picked.
Now, the good news is, I'm not trying to depress you, it's tough enough right now, that most of the work we're going to do to be ready for pandemic two, I call this pandemic one.
Most of the work we'll do to be ready for that are also the things we need to do to minimize the threat of bioterrorism.
dan friesen
So Alex hears that clip, and he thinks it's secretly Bill Gates coming on The Tonight Show and announcing all this stuff that he's going on right now.
It's a drill, and I'm going to release more viruses and blame it on bioterrorists.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
This is the sort of work Alex does.
It's always important to constantly remind yourself of that.
He takes a clip like this from a Colbert interview and writes his own story about it, which he then reports as definitive.
This is not someone who lives in reality.
He's making all this shit up.
jordan holmes
Don't say, quote, we didn't listen.
alex jones
Fuck off.
jordan holmes
We had a whole fucking 79-page plan.
dan friesen
The CDC had a whole thing.
jordan holmes
They listened.
They had the whole thing ready to go.
dan friesen
My friend, I believe we call it the royal we.
jordan holmes
Ah, well.
dan friesen
So this next clip is kind of a palate cleanser.
It's pretty funny.
Alex just being sort of braggy.
alex jones
I've already studied them so much, I'm inside their head.
I know exactly what they're going to do next.
jordan holmes
Because you're making it up.
alex jones
They literally have nightmares about this broadcast at night because we are inside their heads and we know what we're doing.
jordan holmes
Cut to, I'm not mad at the crew.
alex jones
Psychos, formulaically lay this out.
It's like watching a movie and you've not read the script, but you know how it ends.
It's so obvious when you're watching a whodunit or something that, oh, it's the good guy that's the bad guy.
And at the end, you find that out.
dan friesen
Still waiting on that chip from the homeless person in Austin.
Still waiting on this nuke to hit Chicago.
Still waiting on all sorts of things that you've said are right around the corner.
jordan holmes
He never finished Zodiac, so he doesn't know how it ends yet.
That could be.
It was Robert Downey Jr. all along.
dan friesen
Look, dude, I spend all my working time studying Alex Jones, listening to his dumb bullshit, and even I don't have nightmares about him.
I spend the most time out of anybody, other than maybe his family, taking in his bullshit.
And you and I have dreams about water parks.
jordan holmes
Nah, no.
Clearly, you're the only person spending that much time analytically listening to him.
I doubt his family pays attention to what he has to say at all anymore.
dan friesen
Could be.
jordan holmes
Why would you?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's probably true.
So, in this next clip, there's a really long pause.
Please.
Be patient with Alex, he's thinking.
The gears are turning.
Sure.
And actually, I'll explain the face he makes at the end of this clip.
It's really, really funny.
alex jones
They tried to pass a bill in Congress to say you can't keep a baby alive after it's born and harvest its organs, and the bill did not pass.
And it became a big national news story.
Why would they want to do that?
Because it's about power.
dan friesen
So that long pause is really funny if you go and watch the video.
jordan holmes
Why is that?
dan friesen
Alex is ranting about this supposed organ harvesting bill in the context of him being on Rogan's podcast.
The point is that Rogan didn't believe Alex until he looked into it and then was shocked to find out Alex was right.
When that pause starts, Alex's crew flashes up on screen an article from Newsweek with the headline, quote, Alex Jones' Joe Rogan war leads to conspiracy theory meltdown.
Infowars host says babies harvested for organs.
This is on screen for like a second or two, and then the camera cuts back to Alex in silence with a look on his face like, come on, guys.
It's a look of deflation.
His face just like says, really?
That's the article you went with?
It's a face that screams defeat and exasperation.
There's a flicker, just a moment of like, ugh.
jordan holmes
We have nightmares about us because we're so good.
Next clip.
Come on, guys.
We're losing.
dan friesen
The bill Alex is talking about is one that Republicans tried to push through that would ban most late-term abortions and introduce criminal liability for doctors.
This is a cynical political move, as even CBS News pointed out.
Quote, To conservative voters.
Alex is just making shit up about this because he's an idiot, a liar, and a zealot.
But that pause was pretty fucking funny.
That look on his face.
I'll post a picture of it somewhere.
Because I did take a screenshot.
jordan holmes
Oh, good.
dan friesen
Good.
jordan holmes
I want to see it.
I want to see that face.
dan friesen
It tickled me too much.
So Alex is, you know, his North Star home base.
jordan holmes
Racism.
dan friesen
I was going to say Bible.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So Alex talks about the Bible here in this next clip, and boy, he's off.
alex jones
Suffer the little children.
Or God said, I will kill your ass.
In a very horrible way.
Tie a big ass rock around your neck and throw yourself in the ocean.
That's a better place to be than what God says he'll do to you when you attack the little ones.
Suffer the little ones.
dan friesen
I don't think Alex knows what suffer means in this context.
unidentified
Nah.
dan friesen
Matthew 19.14 says, It's a term that's also used in Mark 10.14 and Luke 18.16, and in each instance the context is the same.
In the language of the time, suffer meant to allow something to be done.
So when Jesus says, He's saying, Jesus did not say that the alternative was he was going to kill your ass.
jordan holmes
Ah, that sounds like him, though.
dan friesen
There's a little bit of editorializing on Alex's part, which some might say is deeply blasphemous.
jordan holmes
You know, Jesus did have that five-second delay button, so maybe they just cut that out of the Bible.
dan friesen
The thing about tying a rope around your neck is completely disconnected from any of that stuff, and it comes from Luke 17, 1 and 2. Quote, Then he said to the disciples, It's impossible that offenses will come, but woe to him through whom they come.
It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck and he cast into the sea than he should offend one of these little ones.
The context of this passage is that Jesus is talking to his disciples and explaining to them that it's impossible to live a life free from troubles.
But woe to the person who brings about those troubles.
The little ones of this passage doesn't refer to children, but to new believers who are early in the path, and woe unto the person who would bring offense upon them that would lead them into sin.
The next verses are, quote, Take heed to yourselves.
If your brother trespass against you, rebuke him.
And if he repent, forgive him.
And if he trespass against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to you, saying, I repent, you shall forgive him.
This was really more about appropriate behavior among believers.
If your fellow believer wrongs you or tries to lead you into sin, call them out for it.
But if they're receptive to that and they repent, you have a responsibility to forgive them.
If they don't repent, then woe unto them, and they're better off jumping into the sea with a millstone around their neck.
This has nothing to do with suffering children, despite the little ones part in there.
And at the end there, it really seems like Alex doesn't even know what the word suffering means in this context.
He has such a bad grasp about really basic elements of understanding the main text of the religion he professes to follow.
jordan holmes
He doesn't know how to read, and he can't listen to anybody when they tell him that he's wrong.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's too bad.
jordan holmes
The end.
dan friesen
So, we're seeing a little bit of an upswing in COVID-19 cases.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Shock.
dan friesen
In some states.
jordan holmes
Shock.
dan friesen
And Alex makes fun of that in this next clip.
jordan holmes
My God.
alex jones
But here's the big news.
Oh, wave two.
Oh, gosh.
Trump shouldn't have rallies.
Oh, keep the economy shut down.
It's all over.
Oh, it's all Trump's fault.
COVID-19.
Fauci says never leave your house again.
Never shake hands again.
it's a cult second wave spook stock market Mnuchin we can't shut again you do it the depression will be ten times worse it's already going to be bad boys and girls So Alex is here mocking the reporting that's coming out that there are spikes being seen in various states around the country, which is pretty fucked up.
dan friesen
Inevitably, the story that's going to be told is that the protests that broke out after the murder of George Floyd are responsible for the upticks we're going to see here, and that's probably very unfair.
If we're already seeing increases, that's way too fast for it to have been from these protests, but it's right on schedule when you'd expect to see increases after these states decided to open up without proper and thorough guidelines and testing in place.
jordan holmes
Almost like to the day, you know?
It's almost like to the day.
dan friesen
NPR made a really good point, and that is that anything we're seeing right now, it's not fair to call it a second wave.
We're still in the first wave.
It's just never ended.
A lot of the countries just decided it's not real.
There's still over 20,000 new cases being reported in the U.S. daily, according to numbers up to June 11th, working on a seven-day rolling average.
That's a ridiculously high number.
Like, in one day, we're adding as many cases as there are total in Ireland.
We've just become burnt out to this reality.
We've started tuning it out.
In order to do the sort of things states are deciding to do safely, they need to have really good testing and observation capabilities in place in order to make sure that cases are caught early and they don't go on to infect a bunch more people.
And that's just not where a lot of states are.
There are a number of states that are looking mighty scary right now.
I'm looking in the direction of Nevada, Arkansas, the Carolinas, and Arizona.
All states that do not have stay-at-home guidance in place.
There's no one-to-one correlation between states that have stay-at-home orders going and cases going up or down.
It's impossible to draw firm distinction between those.
But the states that are all looking like there's trouble brewing are ones where there aren't guidelines in place.
We'll see what happens in the future, but this is the point in time where I feel things are the most volatile.
You have a market-obsessed lunatic as president seeking re-election in November.
You have an entire right-wing media ecosystem pushing messaging that no matter what the deal is with the virus, we have to protect the economy at all costs.
And you have outrageously dangerous people like Alex pushing messaging that doctors are actually killing people in hospitals to create the false image of a pandemic.
That's just a fucking toxic combination.
And it really does worry me to think about the possibilities.
Like if we see massive upticks in a lot of states, we could get to a position where people have to lock down again.
Like in the same ways or even harder than we did before.
And we saw how Alex and so many of these people on the right responded to it.
I just don't know if...
I obviously can't make any predictions, and there's a decent chance that things will go better than your fears would be, but the possibility of what could come just terrifies me.
jordan holmes
I just hear Barbara Tuchman writing, The March of Folly 2, Trump's war.
That's just all I can think of right now.
This is insane.
We're in the most terrifying position with absolutely no leadership from anyone.
And that's beyond political party.
Anyone.
None of those people.
dan friesen
Except our dictator warlord, Rad Simone.
jordan holmes
And I am willing to swear fealty to him if somebody will fucking step up to the goddamn plate.
dan friesen
He apparently has just been elected leader of Chicago.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with that.
I've already sworn fealty to him.
He's better than Lightfoot.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex gets to talking more about his sort of COVID denialism and also that dumb video.
alex jones
And now at least 10 blue states that we know of premeditatedly sent pneumonia, flu, and supposed COVID-19 patients in to nursing homes and into hospitals to murder everyone.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
And you've got another nurse going public and talking about what they witnessed and how somebody would come in, panic attacking, you name it, 37 years old, doesn't have anything wrong with them.
Oh, we'll take care of you, bro.
dan friesen
Bro.
alex jones
You talk about moths to flame.
Have a little bit of anxiety locked up in your house.
You test negative.
Put it positive.
Killing.
Let's get the cash.
dan friesen
So that's pretty bad.
Here, Alex goes on to expound on this a little more.
I realize these two clips just can go back to back.
alex jones
Then, the family can't come see you as you torture to death.
Because reportedly people were healthy, but then they're like battling.
Then people are strapping them down.
jordan holmes
Just, shut up!
alex jones
They gave us some money, Lebowski!
52,000 luscious cashies.
jordan holmes
What?
Who says that?
alex jones
52,000 luscious cashies.
Oh, but...
Why didn't Republican states do this?
And I'm not.
Republicans have got their problems.
Because the Republicans aren't that psychotic or satanic.
They don't operate like that.
dan friesen
Okay.
So Alex is talking about this dumb video that Aaron put out.
So I'd like to say this.
If you're a doctor at Elmhurst Hospital, please sue Alex Jones for defamation.
He's directly reporting that you and your staff took a patient with anxiety and killed them in order to make a few bucks.
This is a clear, open, and shut case, I think.
I don't know, I'm not a lawyer.
And the only evidence he has is this video that Aaron Olszewski put out.
This kind of thing cannot be allowed to stand.
Alex is putting people's lives in danger on multiple fronts with this kind of rhetoric.
On a very basic and concrete level, he's trying to whip his audience into a frenzy against doctors and the medical profession as a whole at a time when there's increased hostility and frequency of attempts at attacking hospitals.
Alex clearly hopes someone attacks a hospital, at which point he can claim that it was a false flag to make COVID denialists look bad.
The danger of this path that his content is on is very high.
It's...
Very scary to imagine what could come of this.
jordan holmes
And the good news is, if you sue him, at the very least, you'll be able to get that full video rather than what she edited.
dan friesen
And a great deposition.
jordan holmes
And a great deposition.
dan friesen
Alex, I don't remember anything that I said last week.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Let's get Rob Dew in here.
Let's save us.
dan friesen
Oh, please.
I want a sequel.
jordan holmes
Yeah, oh, of course.
dan friesen
To the Dew position.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
So then, on a more general level, this kind of rhetoric is going to put people in greater danger from COVID-19.
If they believe, Alex, you know, that this is all a get-rich-quick scheme being pulled off by these hospitals, then they're going to behave in riskier ways, which could lead to them getting sick or getting other people sick.
And if they do get sick, they'll be less inclined to seek appropriate care, since they've been told that if you go to the hospital, they're just going to kill you for the COVID bounty.
There's no worse combination of narratives Alex could be putting forth this time, and they pose a sincere risk to people's safety.
Generally, I try to stay as neutral as possible, but in this case, I think Alex needs consequences before things get more out of control than they already are, and Elmhurst Hospital suing him, I think, would be a great place to start.
jordan holmes
The list of people who need consequences is staggering.
Staggering.
dan friesen
I think that you run into a situation where I'm saying, like, Alex needs consequences for this, and you could easily get it twisted and think that I'm saying someone should hurt him, and obviously I'm not.
He needs a financial consequence.
He needs to have some sort of a negative pushback on him in order to recognize that these things are not okay.
And I just don't, I mean, obviously we can't do it ourselves, but I might have done it if we could.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think we, yeah.
God, I hope he slanders us.
Come on, man.
I know you're listening.
Say some mean shit.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think we're public figures.
I mean, we'd have put out a show.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Not public enough.
dan friesen
So Alex said in that last clip that the GOP, it's not happening in Red States or what have you.
jordan holmes
Because they're so smart and not psychotic at all.
dan friesen
Yeah, because they're cool.
I want to address that really quick.
That's another instance of Alex mixing up his narratives.
Because he's talking about them killing you for money in the hospital.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
The stuff about the red and blue states is supposed to be about blue states sending infected people into nursing homes in order to kill old people.
That's nonsense, but it has nothing to do with the idea of hospitals killing people for money.
That's a completely separate conspiracy and has nothing to do with red and blue states.
When they use bundled payments, like what Alex is describing, the amount hospitals are paid for treating patients by Medicare is uniform nationally.
It doesn't matter if it's a red or blue state.
Doctors in any state make the same, treating patients with the same condition.
The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services figure out what the average cost of treating a particular type of patient is going to be, and then they set a standardized range that covers it at that amount.
This system is great for a number of reasons.
The first is that it drastically cuts down on the process, because before, hospitals would have to bill government or insurance for various tests, and it involved a ton more paperwork.
As you can imagine, this also left a lot of windows open for people to run unnecessary tests to bill the government for.
But with a standardized payment amount, that's not something you can really get away with.
Because you're also just given this one payment amount for a condition, you're incentivized to treat people efficiently.
And to provide the best possible care so you don't end up in a situation where your treatment is costing a ton more than Medicare or Medicaid covered.
By exploring bundled payments, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services have managed to cut costs and provide improved care because it cut out a lot of the uncertainty and wiggle room.
Also, in terms of COVID-19, there are these bundled payments, because there are for a ton of medical conditions.
The amount that they determined it should cost to treat an average COVID-19 patient is $13,000, and the amount they determined that it would be if someone then ends up on a ventilator is $39,000.
We've talked about this a bit in the past.
Alex's 52,000 number is just him adding those together.
Because he thinks that you get 13 for diagnosing them as COVID, then a 39,000 bonus if you put them on a ventilator, which he's just making up.
Hospitals aren't paid each day when they have the patients in there.
They're not getting paid to diagnose people then getting a bonus when they treat them or whatever.
Alex is taking advantage of his audience not knowing how these bundled payments work, which is shitty, but it's also very transparent if you take some time to look into the topic he's covering.
Just think for one second.
If there are standardized payment amounts that a hospital gets for pneumonia, which there is, then what would be stopping hospitals last year from calling every cough pneumonia in order to make more money?
I mean, you understand?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Don't worry about it.
This is when you strike, Dan.
Back then, everybody's paying attention.
dan friesen
There's nothing unique about this.
Alex thinks he's reporting on proof of a vast conspiracy, but he's really just reporting on how he doesn't know how Medicare bundled payments work.
jordan holmes
No clue.
dan friesen
So that's cool.
jordan holmes
Well, you know, when you say he's taking advantage of his audience not knowing how anything works, that is also a blanket statement.
Yeah, I could say that a lot.
That would be a bundled payment in some ways.
dan friesen
Yeah, I could.
Please take that as implied on all future episodes.
jordan holmes
On everything.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex was talking about how, like, you know, GOP, they're naive but not evil.
jordan holmes
God, they are so evil.
Insanely evil.
dan friesen
He expounds on this a little bit here.
jordan holmes
Like bananas evil.
alex jones
Why didn't Republican states do this?
And I'm not, Republicans have got their problems.
Because the Republicans aren't that psychotic or satanic.
They don't operate like that.
The average blue blood Republicans are going to church and playing golf with their kids in the Marines.
They're real naive, but man, they're not coming up with schemes like this because Lex Luthor couldn't come up with this.
dan friesen
So you're operating off normal human communication patterns.
The scheme that Alex is referring to is the last scheme he was discussing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know how pronoun reference works?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And that scheme was getting money for COVID patients.
That's the scheme he's talking about.
So, the decision about bundled payments for COVID-19 patients was made possible by HR 748, or the Coronavirus Aid Relief and Economic Security Act.
This bill was signed into law by Donald Trump and was widely supported in Congress.
It passed the House 419-6.
And went through the Senate 96-0 with four non-voters.
Rand Paul was a non-voter because of course he was.
jordan holmes
I was about to say Rand Paul was one of them.
dan friesen
You can bet on that.
Then there was Mitt Romney and Mike Lee from Utah and John Thune from South Dakota.
Rand Paul didn't vote because he was in isolation at the time because he tested positive for COVID-19 and both Mike Lee and Mitt Romney had to go into quarantine because they'd had contact with Rand Paul.
No idea what was up with Thune, but Rand Paul's dumbass was responsible for three out of the four non-votes on the coronavirus relief.
jordan holmes
That could have been enough to pass the Fed.
dan friesen
And honestly, I would say, I don't think I'm joking about this, probably the most consequential moment in Rand Paul's career.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, damn!
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
We got a ranzing.
dan friesen
The scheme to have standardized bundled payments was part of a bipartisan bill that Trump signed into law.
If Alex wants to pretend there's some sort of a red state, blue state thing here, he's going to have his work cut out for him.
jordan holmes
Nah, that was actually deep state agents who were holding Trump's hand in making him sign that pen.
dan friesen
It's all nonsense.
jordan holmes
Because they had a syringe of vaccine right at his neck, and he was drinking a poison Diet Coke at the time.
dan friesen
That could be.
unidentified
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
There's a theory going around.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
Some people are reporting.
jordan holmes
I think I'm hearing that a lot on the ground.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, you know when someone lies, you can kind of lie about them, and then they can't call you out about it?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It breeds this sort of environment where all sorts of lies are fine.
Alex gets into that game about this nurse.
alex jones
And each hospital given $52,000 plus for the murder.
But now another medical nurse, another RN, Army veteran, decorated, purple heart, has come out.
Erin Marie Olszewski.
She's on Tucker Carlson tonight.
unidentified
Little birdie told me that.
alex jones
Set for tonight, not the next night.
dan friesen
So according to Erin's bio, she was a nurse in the army in Iraq, but Alex is absolutely making up that she has a Purple Heart.
That's a specific medal that's awarded for people who are wounded or killed in service, and Alex giving her one in his imagination is kind of stolen valor by proxy.
Alex has absolutely zero respect for the armed services.
He just makes up stuff like this when he needs to make a weirdo anti-vax nurse sound more credible.
That's a slap in the face to all the enlisted persons who have been hurt and killed in the line of duty.
And Alex doesn't give a shit.
jordan holmes
Does not give a fuck.
dan friesen
Nope.
So Alex gets a little bit fed up about Black Lives Matter and stuff.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, I wonder why.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Yeah, he gets pretty mad, and we end up having another cough button issue.
alex jones
It's a religion to the left to kill brown people.
I don't say that to kiss your ass because you're brown.
I'm telling you, I've been to the abortion places.
You've seen the videos where you have some weird black or brown doctor come out and go, who wants these ugly black babies?
We're going to get rid of them.
I mean, this is a damn cult, man.
unidentified
Hmm.
alex jones
Meanwhile, they turn the, quote, minorities or the majority into a bunch of brainwashed racists.
Screw you, too!
I'm here trying to save your ass because I morally am not going to sign on to killing everybody.
It's not because I'm some white knight virtue signaling person up here that's trying to stop all this because I'm such a white savior, as the left says.
B.S., man!
I want to get saved by God!
If I sign on to killing everybody and playing God, I'm not getting beamed out of this thing.
So I'm selfishly not signing on to evil.
I'll admit it.
I'm not doing this for you.
I'm doing this for me.
unidentified
I'm not signed on to killing all those old people or those blackshear ass.
alex jones
Delay that.
It pisses me off!
dan friesen
Ooh, a little sloppy cut there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one wasn't good.
That one wasn't very...
I'm going to tell you something.
Powerful people aren't getting nightmares over how professional his shit is.
dan friesen
No, no.
So here is that unedited.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I'm not doing this for you.
I'm doing this for me.
I'm not signed on to killing all those old people or those black babies.
Fuck you, motherfucking New World Order.
I will get your ass.
Delay that.
It pisses me off!
dan friesen
Oh no, oh no.
What did Alex just say?
Oh no.
Do you hear that?
Oh no.
Oh no.
Is that 1997 Scott Hall and Kevin Nash in their best physical shape of their career coming at us?
jordan holmes
God damn it.
unidentified
For life.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
Oh, man.
dan friesen
You never say fuck the New World Order.
jordan holmes
I'm taking that away from you.
unidentified
Never.
jordan holmes
I'm taking your computer away.
dan friesen
Never disrespect.
jordan holmes
You'll get it back whenever you're better.
dan friesen
Never disrespect the outsiders.
Oh, also, I should say, in that last...
Episode that we put out a little mini 7-minute thing.
You said you were going to take away my soundboard and people thought that I actually have a soundboard.
You were talking about my mixing board that we use to record the episodes that needs to be dusted off.
I got a lot of people who are like, can you share what's on your soundboard?
It's just a couple things I have in my iTunes.
But, yeah.
So I wanted to clarify that because I heard it from enough people.
But, yeah, don't disrespect the New World of Life.
jordan holmes
No, I got it.
I got it.
dan friesen
You can disrespect Hulk Hogan, though.
Hollywood.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, considering he took down Gawker with Peter Thiel's Billions, then, yeah, I think I'm fine with that.
unidentified
Fuck him.
dan friesen
Actually, you know what?
You can probably disrespect maybe all of them.
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
Scott Hall had a toothpick.
Don't know.
jordan holmes
Notable detail.
dan friesen
So, Alex gets to discussing how his enemies are psychic vampires.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
The money's a side thing to get people to go along with it.
They want the power to kill people.
They're a cult!
unidentified
Who want to hurt innocent people.
alex jones
What they want is the energy of children.
They're psychic vampires.
They don't just rape kids, folks.
They kill them.
And everybody just needs to grow up and realize that.
unidentified
And I know it's not fun to admit it, but let me tell you something.
alex jones
Those kids are crying out to God every minute for salvation and to be saved.
And God acts through us and is telling us to save the children.
And if we don't do it, we deserve what happens to us.
So I do not fear Bill Gates.
I fear God.
And I declare war on Bill Gates and his entire satanic army in the name of Jesus.
dan friesen
That is such fake passion and so disgusting.
I feel like we've heard that rant so many times, but I did have a weird thought that I had when I was listening to it, because I found myself getting really bored as he was getting more excited.
jordan holmes
Yeah, my mind kind of wandered off at the end there.
dan friesen
Does Alex think that he hasn't already declared war on all these people?
unidentified
I guess!
dan friesen
In that moment, does he think that that's a big, bold pronouncement?
Because it's definitely not.
Alex has declared war on Bill Gates about a thousand times already, which does not seem to amount to much other than lying about him and yelling about him.
jordan holmes
Did he win the war?
dan friesen
What a war.
I was thinking about it, and obviously this declaration of war is redundant and meaningless, but I think it's a tacit acknowledgement on Alex's part that he knows that he has to seem really extreme to keep anyone's attention these days.
He has to act like this is a major step for him, when in reality, it's just a, like...
jordan holmes
It's just boilerplate.
dan friesen
It's kind of like a comic robotically going through their set, telling a joke that they've told a million times.
It screams false passion.
I think it's really sad to see this repetition of, I declare war on Bill Gates!
You can't even be enjoying this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
This is lame.
jordan holmes
Did you see the clip going around of the marchers in the UK singing the song We're Racist and...
That's the way we like it.
dan friesen
I think I saw a link, but I didn't click on it.
jordan holmes
I don't know if it's true.
I don't know if it's real.
That has nothing to do with this, but I was listening to that rant and I was thinking about that song and just thinking, it was almost a relief to hear it like that.
You know?
Like, thank you.
I don't have to do any thinking.
I don't have to dig through your gaslighting.
dan friesen
It's not as frustrating.
jordan holmes
I don't have to do any of that shit.
Yes, you're just saying what I already know.
dan friesen
Thank you.
You're a problem and you've labeled yourself as such.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
Thank you!
dan friesen
Fine!
It's not as interesting, but it is just as bad as...
jordan holmes
It's a relief.
It's almost a relief in many ways.
dan friesen
Well, I think that probably is just because of what we do.
jordan holmes
Get gaslit as a profession.
dan friesen
Basically.
So, in this next clip, Alex is back to his junior varsity plot, which is the African warlord in Seattle.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Sort of the top story is the nurse video.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And the secondary video, excuse me, story is about the chads.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is the B story in an episode of Cheers.
That's what we're dealing with here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, he's back to talking about this a little bit.
And I think he says something that's actually, like, shockingly revealing.
alex jones
But Antifa released his list of demands after capturing six blocks of downtown Seattle.
And, of course, the white communist group running it has gotten a bit of a problem.
Sure.
What?
dan friesen
So just up top, it's important to point out that Raz Simone is not the leader of the Autonomous Zone, that's just the narrative that plays in the right-wing media.
That said, I want to examine the idea that Alex is putting forth, and that's sort of that if he were the leader, it would be some kind of virtue signaling for the left to be doing that, or for Antifa.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright.
dan friesen
Alex is assuming that having a black person in a leadership role is virtue signaling, because according to his estimate, which he's just making up, most of the people at the Autonomous Zone are white.
Pretending that all the people there are white, and they did make Simone their leader, this is still an intensely racist view for Alex to have.
Like, what if Simone legitimately happened to be the person with the best communication skills and leadership abilities?
What if he was the person most able to articulate the values of the community, and the person the community felt was best able to negotiate with the city?
Because Alex is a gigantic racist, he strips away all possible context and decisions he imagines people are making, and he sees things solely through the prism of his white fear.
There's a black guy in a leadership position, so it must be a case of dumb, self-hating whites making him their leader to virtue signal and make people like me look bad.
You can see how this thinking can be broadly applied to essentially denigrate pretty much all non-white achievement in society.
How is what Alex is saying any different than a racist you might know who says that a black woman who got a promotion at his office was just the business virtue signaling, as opposed to her working hard and earning it?
How is what Alex is saying any different than a bigot on a college campus seeing a non-white student and assuming that they got into school because of diversity quotas, as opposed to them having great test scores and a GPA?
All the details about Ransomone are just made up here, and what is very real?
As Alex's reaction to what he imagines to be a black person in a position of authority over white people, he can't stand it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, especially for somebody whose guests are 99% white and calls Hotep Jesus the moment he can and he needs a black person to speak for him.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he does!
jordan holmes
For a party that is 99% white, but still, you know, when you have to replace Thurgood Marshall, you know what?
Let's get Clarence Thomas, a bastion of...
dan friesen
I should tell you that Alex does have an African-American guest on this show, and that is Larry Pinckney, who is an old-time Black Panther.
jordan holmes
I know that name.
dan friesen
It was very tough to listen to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I believe that.
dan friesen
He was basically going on about how back in his day, people didn't loot, and the Black Lives Matter stuff today is just looting and rioting.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Came off very much like an old man, not caring for or understanding what the new generation is doing, and I just have no time for that.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
It's pretty funny, though, because Larry Pinkney was arrested back in the mid-70s, and when he was in prison, he appealed to the United Nations, which is, you know, that's interesting.
If the United States, you know, the sovereign state, had tried him and found him guilty, and he's trying to get the UN to step in, that clearly implies a belief that the UN has some kind of authority that supersedes United States sovereignty.
And Alex should really fucking hate that.
While I'm on that subject, Alex should probably realize that the original Black Panthers were straight-up revolutionary socialists.
Alex is saying the new Black Panthers and these people now are bad, but the original Black Panthers, they're basically like...
I would get along with them.
They're basically the same thing.
jordan holmes
No, I am sure that whenever flanks of Black Panthers were walking, carrying assault rifles, watching the cops arrest somebody, Alex would be like...
Good.
Those are the good Black Panthers.
I don't like these new Black Panthers.
dan friesen
That's what he's trying to present in order to interview Larry Pinckney.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
Like, Huey Newton and Bobby Seale were fucking Marxists.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And they set up their party on that line.
jordan holmes
I mean, the whole fucking breakfast program is literally socialism.
dan friesen
If you consult the Panthers' 10-point program that served as the basis for the party, you'll find some things that seem shockingly relevant to today.
unidentified
Like what?
dan friesen
For instance, number four was a demand for decent housing.
And quote, if the landlords will not give decent housing to our black and oppressed communities, then housing and the land should be made into cooperatives so that people in our communities with government aid can build and make decent housing for the people.
There's a lot of people who are having that conversation now.
Number six was, quote, we want completely free health care for all black and oppressed people.
Number three was, quote, we want an end to the robbery by the capitalists of our black community.
Legitimately, if Alex were around in the 60s, he would have been doing everything in his power to get a white guy to kill Larry Pinkney.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
I have no interest in listening to the two of them try to pretend that, really, when you think about it, the Black Panthers were actually basically the same as InfoWarriors.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was really hard to listen to.
That can't be real.
I couldn't handle it.
Oh, man.
So we have one last clip here, and it's Alex hitting a new story, just sort of touch and go.
Maybe it's his Junior Varsity 2 story.
I don't know.
This story is wild.
alex jones
Let's go to a clip here.
Man hit by statue torn down by BLM protesters in Virginia is now in a coma.
dan friesen
So it's an unfortunate truth that a man was hit by a falling statue at a protest in Portsmouth, Virginia.
He's currently in stable condition and hopefully he'll make a speedy recovery.
When reached for comment by local news, Rocky Hines, one of the organizers of the protest, said, quote, We are responsible for this, and we need to write it in whatever way we can.
I apologized on our behalf, and his sister said he doesn't want anyone upset with us.
His family was not upset.
They're hurting.
The protest organizers set up a GoFundMe, and they've raised over $40,000 to support the family and pay for medical bills.
It's a tragic accident, but thankfully the guy survived, and the protesters recognized their responsibility to one of their community who was hurt because of something that went wrong in one of their actions.
You'd obviously prefer it never would have happened at all, like him never getting hurt.
But when accidents like this happen, it's pretty remarkable to see how communities step up and take care of each other.
That's actually an inspirational wrinkle to the story that Alex just ignores.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course it is.
Because right now we're experiencing such chaos that it would be shocking to me if no accidents happened.
And of course they are going to.
The fact that people are actually taking responsibility for it is something that should be universally praised.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, all across the board.
And again, we were forced into this chaotic position.
It's not like we all got here on our own.
dan friesen
Yep.
So we come to the end of this Thursday, June 11th episode.
And I mean, like, I would say the predominant feelings that I have circle around, like, this is so dangerous.
I know that Alex has disparaged nurses and doctors as, like, they're just getting drunk and fucking in the hospitals.
And that's bad.
That's disrespectful and terrible.
But the way in which he's portraying them as, like, murderers now.
And it's so indiscriminate.
Like, it could be at any hospital.
It could be, you know, it's just, this can't be acceptable.
Like, it has the potential for something really, really dark and really bad.
I think that's the most important thing.
And then the weird editing thing is going to bother me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
What was it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Was it an accident?
dan friesen
You know what?
jordan holmes
But then why did they cut it out of the actual...
dan friesen
Jordan, this will be the hook for my book in five years.
jordan holmes
What the fuck was that five seconds about?
unidentified
I need to do an oral history of everybody who was working it in Forbes that day.
dan friesen
What happened?
Why did you cut that out?
Alex is so much more racist.
unidentified
He said that black people were better under segregation just a week ago.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Yes, he did.
unidentified
You didn't cut that out?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
Very weird.
Anyway, we'll be back.
jordan holmes
Five seconds to the truth.
That's the name of your book right there.
Sold it.
dan friesen
It'll be a great book.
jordan holmes
Sold it.
dan friesen
Simon and Schuster, hit up your boy.
We'll be back.
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Right.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledgefight.com and I go to bed.
unidentified
Jordan.
dan friesen
Some people have said that you can find us on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are.
And if you could, please find a local charity in your area, a bail fund, anything of the sort to help out in any way you can.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back, but until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the warlord of the Chaz.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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