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May 29, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#438: May 26-28, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss the week that was on the Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex attempts to take credit for Trump's executive order about social media, accuses Democrats of killing people in nursing homes, and the gents discuss Alex's response to the evolving situation in Minneapolis.

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alex jones
33:01
d
dan friesen
01:26:09
j
jordan holmes
20:04
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dr katie hutchinson
02:38
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max keiser
00:46
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
It's time to pray.
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your room.
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan!
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Sure, Dan.
jordan holmes
Dan!
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question.
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
Well, actually, interestingly, my bright spot for today is I was sitting around.
I was looking at Twitter, which I'm not.
I don't do a whole lot of.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't engage much with social media.
I barely like any posts.
I don't tweet much.
I don't put out promotional materials on Twitter much.
Although maybe we should.
jordan holmes
Almost certainly.
dan friesen
But I got a rare like I was giving out today.
jordan holmes
You gave out a like today?
dan friesen
A rare Twitter like.
jordan holmes
A like?
Oh, shit!
I've never gotten a like from you.
dan friesen
Probably not.
Our friend Robert Evans tweeted something about the band Five Iron Frenzy, which is a Christian Scott band that I'm a particular fan of.
jordan holmes
I saw that.
God damn it.
dan friesen
It reminded me that actually recently I'd been going back through listening to a little bit of Five Iron Frenzy, and I do think a lot of it holds up.
But also...
jordan holmes
A lot of people...
They are all wrong.
dan friesen
I saw them live when I was very young.
Quite young.
One of my first concerts.
No, I was the appropriate age.
But I saw them.
They were great.
They were all wearing Star Trek uniforms.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
Holds up.
dan friesen
They were having a goofy-ass ska time, is what you would call it.
There was one member of the group whose name is Jeff the Girl.
And I found out recently that she actually has a new group.
Or a newer group.
I don't know.
I don't know how I stumbled upon this.
I think it was through, like, listening to Five Iron Friends.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, I think it's called The Fast Feeling is the name of it.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It's got, like, a nice synth pop kind of thing.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
It's very nice.
jordan holmes
There's a couple of good songs.
A little churches kind of style?
dan friesen
Yeah, a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That or, like, Purity Ring.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I like, yeah, Purity Ring's got a little...
dan friesen
Maybe a little less ambient as some of that stuff.
But, yeah, I enjoy it quite a bit.
So, I'm glad that she has gone on to some other interesting projects.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is very nice.
dan friesen
And that, you know, We have help getting the word out about 5-Hour Friendship.
jordan holmes
Again, I really disagree.
dan friesen
Next up, OC Supertones.
We're going to reclaim it.
jordan holmes
No!
I do like the idea that there's fun, and then there's ska fun, and that's a whole different brand.
dan friesen
I also like the idea that my tastes from when I was 14, I'm going to be vindicated.
I will be vindicated.
Everyone mocked me my whole life, but I will end up being shown to be correct.
jordan holmes
Well, I think people who love disco have been proven to be correct.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Over time, yeah.
dan friesen
Yes, go listen to some Jojo Maroder.
Do some of that Italo disco.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why not?
dan friesen
So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is...
My partner has been watching How to Get Away with Murder.
And my bright spot is that she's almost done.
Because I find it unwatchable.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, once she's done, she'll know how to...
jordan holmes
You know what?
You don't learn how to get away with a murder.
This is a big issue I have with it.
All of the things that they do, they are totally...
We're probably going to get caught for that murder.
unidentified
Terrible.
dan friesen
I mean, the guy's rope isn't going to...
It's not a perfect murder either.
unidentified
Yeah, right.
dan friesen
That's fair.
Well, I'm glad that that's almost over.
jordan holmes
It's almost done.
dan friesen
But I'm sure it'll be replaced by another fun show.
unidentified
Naturally.
jordan holmes
I'm hoping to...
dan friesen
Look forward to that.
jordan holmes
I'm hoping to trick her into Fringe.
Let's watch that.
dan friesen
Yeah, that'd be good.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then you could learn about reality.
unidentified
That's what I'd love to learn about.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, we've got an interesting episode to go over today.
We've got a bit of catch-up on Alex.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
We're going over May 26th through 28th.
That is Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday of this week, if you're nasty.
jordan holmes
Very slow news days.
dan friesen
All within the year of 2020.
And I'd like to remind you that I'm Dan, and this is 2020.
jordan holmes
God damn it, Dan!
dan friesen
I'm going to say that I'm not in the mood for bullshit today.
I am not going to be suffering Alex's shit with a lot of patience.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
We're going to cover a lot of the current events that are going on, but shockingly, a number of things are completely ignored by Alex.
And some things are reported in exactly the way you would expect them to be.
And we'll discuss some of those dynamics as best I can consider a productive way.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But there's some other interesting stuff that goes on.
And I'll spoil this.
I think Alex admitted to a felony on air.
unidentified
Sure!
Why not?
dan friesen
Maybe someone could investigate that if they're interested.
jordan holmes
If they're bored.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we'll get to that by the end of this episode.
But before we get down to business on that, Jordan, we had to take a little moment to say thank you to some folks who signed up and are supporting the show and do a disappointing seltzer report.
jordan holmes
Ooh, no!
dan friesen
So first, Ja Rule, one word.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy walk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Ja Rule.
dan friesen
Thank you, Ja Rule.
alex jones
Murder.
No.
dan friesen
Next, Corey.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Corey.
unidentified
Murder.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Next, Sean S. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Sean.
unidentified
Murder.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Next, Megan H. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Megan.
dan friesen
Thank you, Megan.
Next, Andrew W. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thanks, Andrew W. Next, Cassandra S. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Cassandra.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Mole Children Charities LLC.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Mole Children Charities LLC.
dan friesen
Yes, thank you very much.
And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So, Dorian, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare...
Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Dorian.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much, Dorian.
And congratulations on, what, 200th birthday?
dan friesen
The painting.
jordan holmes
150th birthday?
dan friesen
The picture of Dorian.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Something along those lines.
dan friesen
I always like to be really fucking petty.
jordan holmes
Really pedantic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
When people say it's the portrait of Dorian, it's a picture.
jordan holmes
James Joyce wrote the portrait of the young artist.
dan friesen
That's the confusion that most people have, I believe.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But if you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoy this podcast and their literary references and I'd like to support what they do, you can do that by going on.
Go to our website, knowledgefight.com.
Click on the button that says support the show.
We would appreciate it.
Or, if you feel so inclined, please take that generous spirit and apply it to a local charity in your area or in some sort of a field that you feel passionate about to help people who are in need.
So, Jordan, like I said, disappointing Seltzer Report.
We're just going to get it out of the way real quick.
I got nothing.
I got nothing.
jordan holmes
You didn't try any seltzers?
dan friesen
I'm stuck at 92. I mean, it's still good progress, but I've got nothing to report.
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Like nothing good to report, or just nothing to report?
I just have nothing to report.
dan friesen
Can I be honest with why?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Okay, I'll lie.
Here's what's going on.
Sure.
Every time I go to the store, I try and stock up on seltzers.
unidentified
Seltzers!
dan friesen
Exactly.
So I'll go to the store, and I'll end up getting a bunch of the loose bottles of seltzer, and then they're in my fridge, and periodically, throughout a long period of time, I can grab one, and that allows me to keep adding to the list without having to go to the store over and over again.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
It probably sounds like I am.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
It sounds like you go buy a seltzer and then come back home and nibble on it like a squirrel and then go out and buy a seltzer.
dan friesen
Another one.
Hey, make some fan art.
Squirrel Dan nibbling on a seltzer.
Yeah, and so what ends up happening is I have a number of them in the fridge.
I have been trying to find this apartment and so I've been really busy with that and going to like a couple of viewings and I haven't really stocked up on seltzer in a bit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And so the only things that are left in my fridge are all coconut flavored.
unidentified
I have four or five coconut flavored ones and I just can't get myself to drink.
jordan holmes
You're dreading the coconut.
dan friesen
I've been just drinking like...
Ones that I've already had before that I had to buy a six-pack of.
So there's like a couple that are in my pantry that I've just been like, I'll just put these in the fridge for later so I don't drink that coconut garbage.
jordan holmes
That's so funny.
dan friesen
So I think that what's going to end up having to happen, because I will never drink those of my own volition.
I can't imagine them being good.
They've got to be terrible.
For our next Q&A episode, I think we should try the pantheon of coconuts.
jordan holmes
Gotcha, gotcha.
Misery loves company, so to speak.
dan friesen
I think that'll somehow make it a little bit more tolerable.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
So that's the Seltzer Report.
Nothing to report, but maybe something in the future.
jordan holmes
No seltzers!
Indeed.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today, like I said, 26th to 28th.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
This is going to be a bumpy-ish ride at points.
But in addition to me being sick of Alex's bullshit, and not that I generally pull punches, I'm not pulling any punches today, but in addition...
I feel like I would like to offer a little bit of a window into the creation of one of these episodes.
And so along the way, I'm going to give a couple of little notes that can help people understand exactly the process that goes into some of this.
I know I've gotten a lot of questions about that, and it's really difficult for me to answer the question without doing some of it illustratively through the show itself.
So there'll be a few notes along the way.
jordan holmes
And it sounds a little navel-gazy if you don't have those, you know, you get back and you're like, my process is like, you know.
dan friesen
I don't want to pretend I'm like James Lipton's interview subject or something.
jordan holmes
Exactly, exactly.
dan friesen
So this first clip is where we start on the 26th, and it's Alex launching into a bit of a new narrative surrounding coronavirus statistics.
alex jones
You've seen the meme that, oh yeah, a great white shark attacked a lady and they called it COVID-19.
That meme is a joke, but where it comes from isn't.
This is just in the news today at NationalFile.com.
We're going to post this article on Infowars.com.
Gunshot victims count as coronavirus deaths in Washington State.
This is some real original reporting.
Freedom Foundation Reports did a Freedom Information Act request, and they admitted gunshot wounds, car wrecks, suicides, and then they test you.
With the Bill of Melinda Gates UN testing kit that the FDA shut down for fraud, and the kit finds almost everyone is positive if you've had the flu or a coronavirus on average the last decade.
dan friesen
So the glimpse that I want to give in to people listening is that clip was less than a minute of Alex.
And what I'm about to explain to you took over two hours.
Two and a half hours-ish to break down.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now, we can ignore all the stuff at the end.
That's just the bullshit about that lab that we talked about already.
If you've had a cold in the last decade, all that's pretty standard stuff.
But the new piece that Alex is bringing to this is this report that was put out by the Freedom Foundation.
Which is a name that if you hear it, you should be like, uh, I don't know about this.
jordan holmes
No, look, every organization that we talk about with national freedom, patriotism, all of those very trustworthy because you can tell they're focused on freedom.
dan friesen
Innocuous names like that are a real, like, hmm, you should raise an eyebrow.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex absolutely has not read this report past the headline because he's just making stuff up about the freedom of information requests and stuff like that.
He has no idea what this actual report was saying.
In the report, they were looking at Washington State death figures and trying to parse out how many of these deaths were directly caused definitively by the virus and which might have been people who have the virus but unrelated to that have died.
Outside the hands of conspiracy theorists, this isn't a bad question to be asking, since the more precise data we have, the better we can respond to the situation in front of us.
However, in the hands of conspiracy theorists, audiences will just hear headlines and made-up conclusions.
The Freedom Foundation's first piece about this came out on May 18th, and it hypothesized that the state's, quote, reported COVID-19 death total is inflated by as much as 13%.
This number was taken from Washington's Department of Health data that showed 13% of deaths which, quote, involve persons who had previously tested positive for COVID-19 but did not have the virus listed anywhere on their death certificate as either causing or contributing to the death.
This is not definitive.
But if you read the report, the Freedom Foundation clearly has an angle on this.
Oh, no!
Such as to imply that most of these aren't coronavirus deaths.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But even so, if you read it, it's not nearly as extreme as Alex's take on it.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, even if it is actually 13%, then that's great.
There's 87,000 dead due to coronavirus, you know?
dan friesen
Sure, I don't want to see that ground, but I agree with the point that you're making.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, fine.
dan friesen
So on May 21st, they reported an update on the story, which included reporting on a telephonic press briefing that the Department of Health had held.
The DOH statistics manager, Katie Hutchinson, was quoted as saying, quote, This is the image that people like Alex will latch onto and make their big story.
But I have some very serious concerns that this report in the Freedom Foundation is not giving the full picture about this press conference.
Luckily, I got my hands on the audio of this press conference, and I can play for you some of the parts that are conspicuous in their absence from the original reporting, which naturally means that by the time this is getting re-reported by Alex, the story is absolutely no connection to the primary source material.
So this first clip here is Dr. Katie Hutchinson explaining that there are some non-COVID deaths that get listed.
dr katie hutchinson
So when we talk about near real-time information, similar to our case identification, we have been releasing death information within one day of being aware or notified of a death.
So particularly for deaths, releasing this preliminary data this rapidly is really not our normal practice.
Our normal process releasing final death data, which I'll explain in a few minutes, takes up to 18 months from start to finish.
We also found that in the early stages of the outbreak, medical certifiers were really not aware if their patients had COVID-19 and did not have a clear understanding of how to complete the death certificate accurately for COVID deaths.
So because of this, we implemented some processes to connect data from multiple data systems to try to identify deaths to COVID cases as early as possible.
And to work with certifiers and local health jurisdictions to understand which cases were dying.
Over the course of the outbreak, we have been very aware of a small number of deaths being reported on our dashboard that end up not being due to COVID.
I will describe these deaths more specifically in a few minutes, and we will be removing them over time from our death count.
This is part of our regular process for reporting preliminary information.
We know that the quality of information naturally improves over time and that will allow us to improve our death count.
So here Hutchinson is saying, That this kind of fast turnaround in reporting is not business as usual for the Washington Department of Health, and naturally, the process wouldn't be without some hiccups.
dan friesen
But in order to create the kind of information that people need...
You have to do an augmented process.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
We don't have time to maintain our high level of quality standards, so in order to get the best possible estimate out as soon as possible, that happens.
dan friesen
These firmly definitive sort of death certifications can take up to a year, and by that point, you are out of the window where this information would be actionable.
For us right now.
And so there are going to be little things that come up along the way, and these few cases that she's talking about are included in what you would call those hiccups.
Here she talks about that a little bit more.
dr katie hutchinson
We currently do have some deaths that are being reported that are clearly from other causes.
We have about five deaths, less than five deaths, that we know of.
In this case, they are from gunshots.
We don't have any deaths currently being reported.
dan friesen
So there were a few cases that are something like a gunshot death was labeled as COVID-19, but as the process refines itself, those cases will be removed from the tallies.
This is the only thing that people like Alex will hang their hats on, because it's what they need to create the narrative that all deaths are probably a fraud, as opposed to this being part of a system working far outside its normal operations, where serving the needs of the moment can often lead to a few mistakes.
Earlier, we heard Hutchinson say that she was convinced that the state's numbers were actually undercounting actual COVID-19 deaths, and she says more about why in this next clip.
dr katie hutchinson
This is a particular issue.
Early on in the outbreak where a death certificate might have something like pneumonia or acute respiratory distress syndrome and the certifier was unaware that the person could have been COVID positive.
So it's unclear.
We currently in our system, we have about 3,000 death certificates that indicate symptoms similar to COVID-19.
It's unclear whether any of these could be COVID-19 related.
dan friesen
So that's the part of the press conference that's conspicuous in its absence from the Freedom Foundation's coverage.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which seems weird.
If you have an interest in the less than five deaths that were miscategorized as COVID, shouldn't you be way more worried about the possibility that there are 3,000 more deaths that aren't listed as the virus but totally could be?
jordan holmes
Why?
Those are Bill Gates' scam schemes.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Those were the preliminary before they had the UN test.
dan friesen
The state of Washington only has an official death count of about 1,000.
So if any considerable portion of those 3,000 death certificates are COVID-19, that could seriously affect their numbers.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that could be like on the low end twice as big.
dan friesen
I refuse to believe any sincere person could hear this press conference and come away with the impression that the less-than-five deaths is the headline, unless they were cherry-picking, and their whole goal is to provide cover for shameless hacks like Alex Jones to yell about how the whole virus is a hoax and everyone needs to go back to work.
And thus, it should come as no surprise to literally anyone that the Freedom Foundation is a free-market think tank that's almost entirely bankrolled by conservative billionaires.
They're big recipients of money from the Cokes, from the Donors Trust, as well as from the Bradley Foundation and the Scafes.
They're little more than an anti-union, anti-worker agitating policy house, which is paid by the super-rich to argue against them having to pay their workers more.
For instance, in 2014, they released a policy paper arguing against mandatory sick leave rules for employees.
That same year, The Guardian released a fundraising letter that the foundation put out that said, quote, The Freedom Foundation has a proven plan for bankrupting and defeating government unions through education, litigation, legislation, and community activation.
They've also been militantly opposed to raises in the minimum wage laws.
The Freedom Foundation is exactly the sort of place you would expect to hear this kind of shit from.
They're bought and paid for mouthpieces of the people who aren't worried about the virus except in terms of it keeping people home from work.
I know I don't need to spell this out for you, but to make things perfectly clear, these people are paid by billionaires to make everyone else's lives worse.
They write things like this COVID-19 Washington story, not because they're uncovering some truth about these less than five deaths, but because it helps shift the conversation and it gives cover for politicians to put workers at risk.
The dead giveaway is their funding, but also the fact that their article doesn't mention the 3,000 death certificates that aren't listed as COVID but might be cases.
The omission of that information is proof positive that they took what they wanted from the press conference and ignored the part that was inconvenient for them.
Which is fraudulent.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
They produce this seemingly professional piece with a snazzy headline, and then Alex and Rush and Hannity can report on the headline, and that's all anyone will hear.
They won't go find the actual press conference and listen to it.
jordan holmes
It's hard to read.
There might be as many as four pages there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
These people who are producing this report know they're lying if they listen to the thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course they do.
dan friesen
And their entire job is to create lies for propagandists to repeat.
And they do it because their lies are profitable to the right-wing billionaires who pay them.
jordan holmes
I think billionaires are great, first off.
My stated position has always been I want a small number of people to have as much money as possible.
That's me, through and through.
dan friesen
Yeah, that was really frustrating.
But I'm glad that I understand it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So in this next clip, Alex talks about the New York Times.
I know your favorite publication.
unidentified
Love them.
jordan holmes
Love them.
alex jones
Unbelievable.
Here's another one.
New York Times.
U.S. deaths near 100,000 since last Friday.
At incalculable loss.
Sixth name on the New York Times list.
Six in.
Of coronavirus victims.
A 27-year-old man who was murdered.
Murdered when you get stabbed.
When you get shot.
You are a COVID-19 death.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is all happening.
dan friesen
So this is Alex's defense and sort of support for his other prong of the narrative, which is this Washington five deaths or whatever narrative.
I suspect that Alex is taking this story from the Washington Times, since that's a favorite source of his, and they seem to have an article about this.
jordan holmes
Another great publication?
dan friesen
Sure.
Alex seemed to miss this part of that article, though.
Quote, Mr. Haynes' name was later omitted from the newspaper's dramatic front-page list of nearly 1,000 names under the banner headline, quote, U.S. deaths near 100,000, an incalculable loss.
The New York Times issued a correction, and they fixed this before the late edition went out.
These sorts of mistakes and oversights can happen, and the Times did what they're supposed to in that situation.
They owned up to the error, made a statement to correct their mistake, and published an updated version.
Something tells me that this was a solitary error in their list because I have a hunch that conspiracy sleuths probably googled every one of those names to see if they could find things to yell about and they got this one.
Anyway, the point here is that the Times made a mistake and they responded appropriately.
I'll take Alex seriously about this complaint about other media outlets making errors once he issues a correction properly.
Maybe about the whole FDA closing down the lab story that he mentioned earlier.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's that.
dan friesen
He can make a correction about that if he wanted to.
jordan holmes
New York Times, 99,999 deaths, a calculable loss.
Good work, guys.
dan friesen
Yeah, really splitting hairs.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you got them.
dan friesen
And thank God you are.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I mean, where would we be?
dan friesen
That hair needed to be split.
So yeah, it's pretty lame.
Alex might need to issue a correction about this, too.
alex jones
This is how dumb they think you are.
How suggestible.
And...
That's why 80% in the United States of COVID-19 deaths are over the age of 85. Look it up for yourself.
It's the same thing in Europe.
It's the same thing everywhere because it's a fraud.
You die when you've got all these other diseases and kidney failure and liver failure and lung cancer and bone cancer and brain cancer and they come in and stick a test in you that's designed to be a fraud when you croak and they say it's COVID so you can scare the living Daylights out of the public.
And I know all of you know this.
dan friesen
So what Alex is saying there is not true.
He's just pulling things completely out of his ass.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not surprising.
dan friesen
So from the CDC's provisional data, we can take a look at demographic breakdowns of COVID-19 related deaths.
And from that data, you can see clearly that Alex is wrong.
The cohort of people who are over 85 have represented 20,179 deaths as of May 16th.
jordan holmes
That's 80% of 100,000, right?
dan friesen
That's right.
Yeah.
The total at that point with their data set was 62,613 deaths, which would make the population over 85 represent 32.3% of the COVID-19 deaths, which is just shy of the 80% figure.
That age group is the highest overall individual group, but the 75 to 84 age group represents 27% of the deaths, and 65 to 74 is 21% of the deaths.
The numbers drop off from there, but the population between the ages of 55 and 64 is still 12%.
It's still something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this touches everybody.
dan friesen
Anyway, my point here is that Alex is making up numbers, because the actual numbers are contradictory to his narratives.
Also, if Alex is to be believed, there's a very important question that he needs to answer.
He's alleging that these evil globalists are just taking everyone who's over 85, who gets sick and dies of natural causes, and they call it COVID-19 to scare everyone.
This seems to be him leaning closer to the deepness.
There is no virus.
But leaving that aside, he now has to explain why there are so many more people dying this year than usual.
If it was just a thing where they're just classifying natural cause deaths as COVID-19 to scare you, then you'd expect the same number of deaths as other years that'd just all be COVID deaths.
And that is not what you're seeing.
The CDC put out a report on May 15th which calculated that just in New York City, from March 11th to May 2nd, there were 24,172 excess deaths compared to long-term averages for that period of time.
It's really hard to get a clear picture of things right now, but some of the indications are looking like when the dust settles, we'll be looking at larger numbers than we're seeing now.
But even without nailing out precise specifics, I would like Alex to explain those excess deaths.
jordan holmes
I will tell you right now, we're missing the real plague here, and that is giant hornets are taking over the Northwest.
dan friesen
You know, we haven't heard about those hornets.
jordan holmes
Giant hornets are taking over.
That's why New York is gone.
Decimated.
dan friesen
So that's one theory.
Basically, I want Alex to plant a flag somewhere.
Explain that.
Is it 5G?
You want to get married to that?
unidentified
Go for it.
dan friesen
Is it vampirism?
Do you want to go hang out with Carrie Cassidy?
jordan holmes
I think there are vampires.
dan friesen
Is it alien AI?
What are you going to do, man?
What are you going to do?
Choose something.
Pick a lane and fucking stick with it.
Because you need to explain that.
If your whole thing is going to be this game.
I'm sick of it.
Sick of it.
Anyway, Alex believes that the COVID situation, all of this, all the masks and, you know, business clothes and what have you, it's to make us not stand up.
alex jones
And the more we submit, the more they squeeze to see what they can get out of you because they're trying to erase thousands of years of...
of humans standing up and demanding liberty and paying for it in blood and in treasure and in time and in everything else.
unidentified
Thank you.
Thank you.
alex jones
So that's what we face as a culture and as a society.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert, by the end of this episode, Alex will not be so thrilled about some people standing up.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, Dan, do you think that there will be a difference in how important standing up is to him very shortly?
dan friesen
I don't know, let's see.
So, look, man, Alex is deep in the weeds of the bullshit about, you know, all the coronaviruses are fake, all the deaths and everything.
But he has a couple passions in life.
One is selling his products.
jordan holmes
Camping?
dan friesen
I don't know if he likes to camp.
He does like to run around shirtless in the woods.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Is that camping?
It's part of it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
No, his other passion is telling obviously not true stories of social interactions.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And he always makes time to do that.
alex jones
Every grocery store I go in, every gas station I go into, every restaurant I go into now that they're reopened partially, when the waitress walks up, I say, you can take that mask off.
Well, we were ordered to, and I say, but you know they're counting every death.
Car wrecks, gunshot wounds.
People that had cancer as COVID-19.
They're like, yeah, I heard that.
And most people are actually somewhat informed.
unidentified
Thank you.
alex jones
And most people I've talked to actually already know all this.
And then I say to them, I say, then you need to tell other people.
You need to let them know it's a fraud.
And this female waitress was sitting there yesterday and she said, you're right, I need to.
And her...
And the manager and the other person took their mask off and said, this is all just a giant hoax.
jordan holmes
I am Spartacus.
unidentified
Fuck off.
alex jones
And then I sat there and exchanged phone numbers with her and said, I'm going to send you articles.
jordan holmes
Exchange phone numbers?
Get the fuck out!
alex jones
And I wasn't hitting on her even though she was attractive.
dan friesen
What is that now?
jordan holmes
That needed to be in there.
Just in case you were wondering if I'm an alpha male.
Just so you know.
And I'm also chivalrous.
dan friesen
Fuck this.
Pretty lame.
jordan holmes
Who is talking to him that isn't carrying an automatic rifle?
dan friesen
Right?
I mean, these interactions didn't happen.
unidentified
No, no.
dan friesen
This is nonsensical.
unidentified
Who is it?
dan friesen
We should all be like...
I go to this restaurant.
I'm talking to the waitress.
I'm like, you don't have to wear that mask.
It's all the fraud.
I know.
Well, you gotta tell people then.
You know what?
You're right, sir.
unidentified
You're right.
jordan holmes
Let's exchange phone numbers.
Exchange phone numbers.
unidentified
About what?
dan friesen
You're a fucking waitress.
It's a restaurant in Austin.
You're not aware who Alex Jones is.
You don't know from his behavior that he's a wacky dude.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you, there's one man who just on site, I think, I want to exchange numbers with this cat.
dan friesen
Guy whose neck is bulging and he can't stop yelling everything.
jordan holmes
Hey, take your mask off during this pandemic.
Let's share numbers.
dan friesen
Yeah, you sound trustworthy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex has another narrative that's going to take over for a bit of...
This episode and a bit of the next.
And that is a continuation of the story we heard on our last episode that we covered of Alex's, which was about that guy.
There was that 20-year-old in Detroit who beat up an elderly man in a nursing home.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And there's an unfortunate wrinkle to that story.
And that is that that kid, that man, who's 20, he had tested positive for COVID-19.
jordan holmes
Of course.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
And so now Alex is going to take that story.
And he's going to build on it and try and create a narrative that the Democrats are trying to ship young people with COVID-19 into nursing homes in order to kill off the old people.
alex jones
And so that's why in New York, in Michigan, in California, in Oregon, in Washington State, in Minnesota, all the Democrat in Ratnest, New Jersey.
They're on record shipping young people into nursing homes and saying nursing homes are where COVID patients go.
Meanwhile, the hospitals are empty.
And the heroes at the nursing homes, one of the most abusive industries on record, some are good, some are bad.
I know folks that have worked at nursing homes, physical therapists that are wonderful angels.
There are plenty of evil people in there, as everybody knows.
jordan holmes
Exchange numbers with them.
alex jones
And so, oh, if the whole nursing home gets COVID-19, that's 13,000 smackers per person.
And then, woo, lordy, lordy, lordy, when a bunch of the Alzheimer's patients that are 90 years old on average, when they get that COVID, they said, the UN set the standards.
Snake a tube down their throat, intubate them.
39,000 sweetsies.
But you got...
To put the poison in.
So, it's hard to get people already in a nursing home sick, so you find people in the community that have it, you get them tested, and then you ship that weapon like the British troops giving the Native Americans smallpox blankets that had smallpox on it.
You just give it to them.
And then you get all that cash!
dan friesen
So, according to Alex, this young man, this 20-year-old guy in Detroit, you know, he was in the hospital because he tested positive for coronavirus, and that's not really true.
This is meant to imply that he tested positive, and then he was sent there intentionally to infect elderly people so the doctors could scam Medicare or something.
jordan holmes
But also, there's no virus.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex walks a real weird line with that.
I think we'll get into that here in a little bit.
Obviously, Westwood Nursing Center cannot release this guy's medical information, but they did comment that he was a temporary patient there to quote, undergo rehabilitation and recovery.
There are more specifics, but if you combine that with what his family has said, like that he has the mental state of a 12-year-old and suffers from mental illness, it seems very likely that he was there for rehabilitation on one of those grounds.
According to Fox 2 Detroit, he'd been in a mental health facility in Ann Arbor, but was diagnosed with COVID-19 and was, quote, supposed to be taken to another facility to be quarantined.
From all indications that I can see here, what happened is likely a complete breakdown of responsibilities.
It seems entirely possible that there was a failure in communicating between facilities about his diagnosis, and further, his father has said, quote, had I known he was there, I would have never consented to it.
Anyway, the point here is that Alex can in no way back up his claim that they're sending young people with COVID-19 to nursing homes to intentionally infect the elderly so someone can make money off Medicare.
That's an example of him taking some of the details of this story Twisting them and writing them into a grander plot that he's pretending he's uncovered all over the place.
It's all these evil Democrats.
It's just his perverse imagination.
jordan holmes
What it reveals, though, is how little these people view the value of a human life.
Like, really?
40 grand is what you're willing to kill people for?
40 grand?
If that makes sense to you, that's because you believe that's a fair...
dan friesen
Well, and how much do you think people are making from insurance and Medicare or Medicaid for other procedures that would happen normally?
Yeah.
It's not like this is that much more than a lot of other procedures.
jordan holmes
I need an extra grand!
dan friesen
Yeah, it's ludicrous to imagine that this is...
And it's going to get even worse once we realize...
Something down the line that would preclude them from behaving this way.
But, you know, Alex is really swinging for it.
I mean, this is just really dangerous stuff because there's a, you know, I don't know what the odds are, but there's a possibility that people in Alex's audience have lost family members, maybe even have some family members who are in nursing homes, that kind of thing.
And what you're doing is you're setting...
A fire.
jordan holmes
You're saying that your political enemies are literally using people as bioweapons.
dan friesen
To kill your family.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
In nursing homes for 30 grand or whatever.
jordan holmes
Also, he does still support Syria and Assad?
dan friesen
He hasn't talked about it in a while.
So, in this next clip, Alex gets kind of mad that people are criticizing Trump about chloroquine.
jordan holmes
Oh, because he's getting people killed?
dan friesen
Perhaps?
Yeah.
We don't need to go over that too much, but I keep this clip in because he freaks out like a little baby about it, and then he tries to focus on the stories about how there's all these fake diagnoses of COVID-19, and I think you'll very quickly realize that he's not prepared to even do his own show.
alex jones
And they're calling for my arrest all over the news, and everybody else's arrest, and they're SWAT teaming with guys with MP5s.
They're like doctor's facilities where they're giving people vitamin C. You piece of filth.
Vitamin C crappy American.
They're like, how dare the president tell people hydroxychloroquine and zinc?
And Z-Pack, doctors all over the world, 100% success rate, on record.
jordan holmes
Shut up, Trump!
Shut up!
unidentified
Shut up!
jordan holmes
Fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake!
alex jones
Because we're going to put an engineered cold virus out that we own.
And we're going to kill a bunch of people and a bunch of other people that didn't die, that died in car wrecks and gunshot wounds and stabbings and cancer and heart attacks and dog bites.
We're going to count them all as COVID-19, baby.
Look at these articles.
Gunshot victims count as coronavirus deaths in Washington State.
Sixth name on New York Times' list of coronavirus victims is...
27-year-old man who was murdered.
Then you go deeper and the whole list is just full of people.
I mean, they'll put you on the list if you died in a car wreck or a gunshot wound.
And here's another one.
Gunshot victims count as coronavirus death in Washington State.
This is just today's news.
dan friesen
So you can kind of see there at the end how Alex operates.
Obviously, the thing he planned to rant about today is the whole idea of gunshot victims being countered as COVID deaths, and that's all good and well, but he doesn't do any prep work, and it's painfully obvious there.
I have no doubt that he shows up to the studio ten minutes before the show, sees a couple headlines, and is like, I can work with that.
He has a narrative built up in his head where he has all the proof, but when the rubber meets the road, this is what you have.
You have two headlines, complete fabrications about both, and then reading the same headline a second time without realizing it's the same story.
Alex just has absolutely zero familiarity with the topics he's covering past the surface headline level, and it shows.
And it's just a bummer.
I would say that he should retire so some hungry, competent conspiracy weirdo could come in and take his place in the pecking order, but I don't think there's anyone to do that.
He still should probably retire, though, because this is getting depressing to watch.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm filled with a lot of rage.
It's very difficult for me to...
Like, whenever it gets this bad, I'm just not loud.
I'm just shaking.
dan friesen
But that's good, because we have to have the window open today, so please keep it like that.
I did notice a little bit of what I would describe as a coiled spring.
unidentified
There's a little bit of that.
jordan holmes
I don't understand what you're talking about.
Come on.
dan friesen
Sorry.
jordan holmes
For what reason?
dan friesen
You're going to get hypertension for this episode.
Come on.
jordan holmes
If I get a heart attack, then I'll be counted as a COVID death.
dan friesen
Can I get the 30 grand?
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, if you think you're mad, you're not mad.
You're not mad.
Not compared to Alex in this next clip.
Also, partially that's because he thinks about Brian Stelter.
unidentified
Fair.
alex jones
The default thing you don't do.
Like, don't throw a newborn baby in the deep end of the pool.
dan friesen
I should clarify.
He's talking about Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer here and what she has done related to the virus.
alex jones
And she's got the baby throwing it right in the pool.
It's like, don't go in a fireworks factory with a flamethrower lit.
Or don't pour gasoline on yourself and light it.
Don't jump in the backyard with 15 starving pit bulls.
Don't go to the local zoo and climb in the Bengal tiger cage.
I mean, don't take a bottle of cyanide.
Don't chop your dick off.
unidentified
Excuse me, but this is ridiculous.
alex jones
The default position is keep infectious patients away from the nursing homes and Democrats in unison and globalists from Europe to Australia to the United States.
unidentified
Ship them in there to call their asses!
dan friesen
I want to give you a little warning.
This is a long clip, but it's because Alex is...
jordan holmes
Fake anger.
dan friesen
Alex is way over the top with this anger.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it goes a lot of places, too.
alex jones
Bunch of murdering scum!
See what they can get away with.
You're like, well, maybe they're just stupid.
That's why they run their mouth about killing old people all day!
They don't want to just kill those old people!
jordan holmes
They want to kill everybody!
unidentified
I'm not going to sit here and take it!
alex jones
So I've been pissed.
I've been really pissed behind the scenes because I hadn't been really telling you what I really thought.
These people are murdering us.
And I tell you, we sit there and put up with them killing these unborn babies and these little kids and keeping these babies alive and taking their organs and killing all these old people!
We deserve whatever the hell we get.
And let me tell you, we're going to get it.
But man, I look at the eyes of that governor.
That woman's the most evil-looking person.
She's more evil-looking than Hillary Clinton.
People say, if you have any discernment, you see the evil.
Some people go, watch Joan C. and Brian Stelter that looks evil.
Are you joking?
Pull up the governor of Michigan, just a random photo of her on screen with those crazy eyes.
You watch her, you think, oh, that's just a crazy photo.
Every video, she's just...
unidentified
You're all staying in your house.
alex jones
Look at her!
My God!
And then it's stelter!
unidentified
These are bad people!
alex jones
That's a murderer right there!
That is a murderer!
That is a disgusting...
Look at that boy!
Look out!
He's a-coming!
Wow!
Man!
jordan holmes
Calm it down, Pacino!
unidentified
What are we doing?
alex jones
I don't know what does!
We don't have any discernment.
Lord of the Rings, sting the goblin cleaver.
That sucker likes the goblin cleaver when goblins are around.
Well, let me tell you.
You can take one look at those people and lock up your kids, folks.
Lock up your doors and grab your ass with both hands because they're coming for you.
jordan holmes
Why do you got to bring Bilbo into this?
alex jones
God helps, man.
That's not human, folks.
That's a demon.
And I just get upset around these people.
Oh, look at that.
Look at that demon, boy.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
That's bad news right there.
Oh, look at that face.
That is a predator that wants to do one thing.
And she, or even when it came out two months ago, don't put sick people in the nursing homes.
She said, we're sending the COVID patients to the nursing homes.
dan friesen
So I was trolling a little bit there.
I wanted everyone to feel my pain.
It's like, because I think sometimes I do Alex a solid by not playing like these long clips where he's just like, oh, look at that face!
jordan holmes
Do you know what the problem is?
unidentified
Why is that a show?
jordan holmes
It's so similar to the way that, not on purpose, but the way that the media kind of packages what Trump says.
Because if you print actually his long, stupid rants, you're like...
We've run out of inches.
dan friesen
Or like how we make fun of some of these ads that he does, but if I point it out every time, it's like, well, that'll end up hurting the quality of our show.
We can't never talk about it.
So every now and again, I gotta throw in something like this so you can be like, holy shit, this is what the show is like.
jordan holmes
What a moron.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex has the story about Gretchen Widmer a little bit wrong.
The Michigan governor didn't demand that COVID-19 cases be sent to nursing homes.
However, she did sign an executive order in April which, quote, mandated that nursing homes with less than 80% capacity create dedicated isolation units for COVID-19 affected residents.
An MLive article about this from April 15th makes it clear that what the order was seeking to achieve was to create safe, separate areas in long-term care facilities where it was possible.
And in cases where it was not possible to transfer patients who tested positive to, quote, a facility in the region that has one, which would be a dedicated unit.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
These facilities where people who tested positive for COVID-19 would be sent to be, quote, regional hubs that will only provide care to residents who have tested positive for the disease.
Alex is trying to twist that wording into being that they were, you know, to become regional hubs for anyone who tested positive, which isn't the case.
Sure.
unidentified
This was about nursing homes being required, if possible, to set up separate areas to treat residents who tested positive who still need specialized care.
jordan holmes
Governor.
unidentified
Give a good idea.
jordan holmes
Alex.
dan friesen
It's an idea and an approach to a challenging problem.
I've read the executive order, and if their goal was to actively spread the virus in the homes, they put some roadblocks up.
For one, the executive order, it makes it so any employee at any long-term care facility who as much as displays, quote, one or more of the principal symptoms for COVID-19 should remain in their homes or places of residence, and that their employers shall not discharge, discipline, or otherwise retaliate against them for doing so.
Seems like you wouldn't offer that to workers if you were just looking to spread a virus.
Like, it would be easy to leave that paragraph out.
jordan holmes
Nah, I think they definitely use that as a smokescreen.
dan friesen
It's a load of bullshit.
All that's going on here is that Governor Whitmer is someone who Trump has targeted in the past, so she's one of the big villains for Alex right now.
I don't know what I think entirely of the executive order, because fully evaluating it is far beyond my pay grade.
But what I can say is that nothing in it is about sending infected persons to nursing homes to intentionally infect people.
That's just some bullshit that Alex has dreamed up to make himself mad.
If I had to guess, I would assume that Alex just recently read a headline about how Whitmer amended the order to give facilities more flexibility, getting rid of the 80% capacity rule to allow places to be like, well, we can set up a unit.
Well, we can't.
Okay, that's fine.
You can set one up here.
I think he probably just heard about that and just got mad about it.
And I think he's just looking for ways to escalate something.
jordan holmes
These people.
These fucking guys.
dan friesen
This continues.
Alex is super mad.
Dems are murdering us.
They're sending human time bombs into nursing homes.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And this is where I want to give the second glimpse into the creation of these episodes.
At this point, you know, we had that whole thing at the beginning about the Freedom Foundation, and Alex is freaking out a bit here, but until I heard this next clip, I wasn't sure if we had an episode.
After I heard this clip, I was like...
All right.
I think we got something we can work with here.
alex jones
You know, some thug gangbanger goes and kills an old person in their house for $1,000 of jewelry.
And, man, we send their ass to the death chamber.
We send them to the lethal injection, and we should.
But, boy!
When the government and those corporations and the Democrats roll up their sleeves and go to town on some old people to make fifty-something thousand dollars off of everyone they murder!
unidentified
Murder!
jordan holmes
Red rum!
alex jones
They're murdering us, and we just shit here and we put up with it.
unidentified
Get your ass.
alex jones
What's wrong with people?
They're killing people all over the damn country, hundreds of them a day, to jack their numbers up.
These people aren't a political party.
They're a group of satanic demons who've promoted worse and worse people into power positions where you now watch a Democrat event and men, women, black, white, old, young, they're all up there going, I mean, they're like a movie where gremlins attack and they all run out with evil guns.
And you're like, this is ridiculous.
So, I don't like being under them.
I don't like being their slave.
And let's just say it.
We're all caught in their thing right now.
I don't like it.
I don't like the fact that these Lilliputians are tying me down and tying you down.
jordan holmes
Right now!
alex jones
They are tying you down!
And they think it's funny!
Well, I don't think it's funny, and I'm gonna break free!
And I need you to break free with me.
I'm gonna go to break.
I gotta plug.
We won't be here.
We've got this special running.
Memorial Day special, and it's a lot of great products.
dan friesen
I love a growling ad pitch.
jordan holmes
Sir, this is a Denny's.
We're gonna need you to...
unidentified
We've got Zink!
alex jones
Zink!
dan friesen
I don't know how you could listen to that and be like, God, this guy gets it.
jordan holmes
You know what?
unidentified
I want...
dan friesen
This guy's on the level.
jordan holmes
I want Ogre from Revenge of the Nerds to do all of my ad pitches from now on.
That's my plan.
dan friesen
I also think that there's a very limited number of movies that have gremlins in them.
jordan holmes
There's Gremlins 1. Right.
dan friesen
There's the new batch.
jordan holmes
There's Gremlins 2. Right.
I'm sure there's a direct-to-DVD.
dan friesen
Probably.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I was not allowed to watch those movies as a kid.
My parents thought they were too scary and possibly demonic.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, that's fair.
unidentified
So...
dan friesen
That clip is the kind of thing I was like, yeah, we got an episode.
jordan holmes
That'll do it.
That'll do it.
dan friesen
That kind of ridiculous performance that leads straight into, like, I've never heard an ad pitch where he's, like, mentioning a sail through gritted teeth.
jordan holmes
This is...
That's overacting.
That's overacting.
I'll say that.
dan friesen
And that ad pitch goes on in that same voice.
That same angry voice.
jordan holmes
Of course!
unidentified
We got coconut protein bars!
jordan holmes
Even Orson Welles never chewed that much scenery when selling something.
unidentified
Dick!
dan friesen
So, on this May 26th episode, it was really interesting to listen to because it really felt like Alex is almost, in some ways, returning to normal.
Like, it felt like there was a lot more of...
jordan holmes
He's reopening his narrative, so to speak.
dan friesen
I don't know about that.
There's just, like, more familiar things.
And I guess that's not fair, because he has, like, started to dip his toe back into Seth Rich stuff in the past little bit.
So it feels like a gradual return to, like, oh, I remember when you used to do this.
And so, of course...
alex jones
I'm not against the average Muslim.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
They're a human being with a soul.
And a lot of them are great people.
But the political systems of Islam are authoritarian and oppressive and anti-Western, anti-Christ.
jordan holmes
Wait till I tell you about what you believe.
alex jones
Wherever Islam is in control, and outside of that is the house of war.
And so it's non-compatible.
But in Europe and in now the United States to a great extent, except for Trump, and especially in the UK, they're accepting the most cancerous forms of Islam.
And so here's...
An Islamic call to prayer broadcast on loudspeakers in Great Britain that's been celebrated as political and spiritual diversity.
Imagine if I bought a building in the middle of London and put a...
jordan holmes
You couldn't afford it, buddy.
alex jones
...speaker on there and started talking about the New World Order or about Jesus Christ.
They'd come shut me down saying, hey, you don't have a right to do that in the public area.
dan friesen
So, what's going on here is that because it was Ramadan, and a number of cities, you know, they'd granted a permit for mosques, which are closed due to the coronavirus.
They could broadcast their call to prayer over loudspeakers.
This was not something that just, like, went through the entire city of London or anything.
It was more localized to communities of people living near mosques.
There was only nine mosques involved in London, which is a bigger city than can be overwhelmed by nine loudspeakers.
Our fan, Abraham, told the Metro, quote, Because the mosque is such a focal point, especially this month, not being able to go is very emotional.
For my parents at home, they were in the garden and heard it, so at least they could listen to it and hear it coming directly from the mosque.
It meant a lot for them that the mosque is still there and serving its purpose.
Hopefully this will be over very soon and we can get back to some sort of normality.
jordan holmes
Imagine if I were to build a building and then regularly, at certain intervals of time, a large ding would occur.
What kind of monster would that be?
dan friesen
Now, that is one part of this.
And really, ultimately, Alex is just trying to scare his audience with the image of non-white, non-Christians taking over the West.
This is essentially white nationalist agitation wrapped in the comforting blanket of victimhood.
Like you mentioned, church bells ring through American cities all the time, and if Alex really wants to play fucking games, I'll play games with him, and I'll tell him to go down to State Street here in downtown Chicago.
I used to work downtown, and literally every day on my way to the red line, I would have to pass this one asshole standing there with his own microphone plugged into an amp.
Every single day, I would have to walk past him yelling at people that they were going to hell, calling women who dressed in ways he found ungodly whores, and saying all kinds of homophobic shit.
This guy out on State Street harassing people, he's out there so much that he has his own Wikipedia page, specifically because he harasses people with such regularity in Chicago.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know that guy.
dan friesen
This is how huge of a public asshole this guy is.
After Trump canceled his rally in Chicago back in 2016, the right wing was going on about how Chicago doesn't care about free speech.
In response, people started posting a meme with the state street preacher and the caption, quote, Anybody thinking Chicago denies freedom of speech doesn't know this guy.
In the biggest, busiest section of one of the country's biggest cities, a bastion of evil globalist leftist demons, this guy has not only been preaching into loudspeakers for decades, He's also been harassing people hatefully, pretending that's preaching, and no one has shut him Yeah.
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, fuck you.
But it's back to sort of normal.
It feels like it's been a while since we've had one of those narratives.
jordan holmes
Since straight up Muslim baiting?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it has been a while.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's weird.
We've been denying 100,000 deaths for a long time.
dan friesen
And Alex is so focused on, like, you know, virus and China stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it's interesting, because now that his Islamophobia is back up...
Because of this story, I guess.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know what's causing this.
Maybe he went to the pool supply shop.
jordan holmes
Yeah, people were worshipping in a normal fashion for them.
So...
dan friesen
That's threatening.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
For Alex.
But because that is on the rise, because that's ascendant again, that intersects a little bit with China in an interesting way.
alex jones
But from Michigan to Texas, from London to Los Angeles, from Rio de Janeiro to Berlin...
jordan holmes
Name five more cities.
alex jones
...they are called to prayers.
I don't like the communist Chinese, but they don't put up with that.
Because they know it's a group trying to take them over.
Do your thing.
Don't try to take me over.
dan friesen
See, here's where Alex can really and truly go fuck himself.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
He's saying that China doesn't put up with Islam and they should, quote, do their thing.
This seems to imply that Alex has no problem with the Chinese treatment of Muslims.
This just doesn't square with how whenever he wants to attack China, Alex will bring up their treatment of the Uighur people.
This is just so indicative of how everything is a tool for Alex.
The plight of the Uighurs is useful whenever he needs to attack China, but it's not so useful when he's trying to make people scared of Islam.
It's not productive to be concerned about oppression directed at Muslims if your argument is supposed to be that they're taking over.
I feel like a pure distillation of Alex's worldview is captured right there.
Do whatever you want.
But, leave people who remind me of myself alone.
That's basically the bottom line.
jordan holmes
Can you believe how evil China is for orchestrating what is essentially a genocide?
Listen, China, go ahead with the genocide.
Just leave me out of it.
dan friesen
Great work.
And I will continue to yell about the things that I find abhorrent about your treatment of the Uyghurs whenever I need to make points about you, but do your thing.
jordan holmes
I mean, I want you to keep doing it, because then I get to yell about it.
dan friesen
So apparently some people in the UK were fasting along with the Muslim community in solidarity around Ramadan.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And Alex takes that as a threat.
Oh man, he doesn't like it.
alex jones
So here's the Lib Dem leader fasting for holy month of Ramadan in solidarity with Muslims.
So this Dem Democrat leader over there is promoting, you know...
Sexualization of children, everything.
jordan holmes
Sure.
unidentified
It's an early rise for me today as I prepare for my first ever fast in the holy month of Ramadan.
I want to show solidarity with Muslims who are in isolation during this month.
alex jones
Hit pause real quick.
I'm not saying this guy's a child molester.
Back it up.
I'm just saying he looks like one.
I mean, I...
This big, creepy, you know, lout.
Oh, the Muslims.
Oh, I'm going to virtue signal to them.
Oh, that I'm fasting.
Oh, yeah, right.
He'll be 20 pounds fatter at the end of it.
dan friesen
So it's just disgusting to see the way that Alex will so wantonly use accusations and insinuations of pedophilia against anyone he wants to attack.
If you decide to engage in an act to make non-white, non-Christian groups feel welcome in society, that's enough to trigger Alex.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
To that point.
Like, it's crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it doesn't take much to go from just regular old evil globalist to, obviously, he looks like a pedophile.
unidentified
Sure.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, there's also something interesting to add to this story that Alex could have covered if he wanted to, and I would like to hear his take on, because I'm sure it would be stupid, but...
One of the folks that was doing this gesture in solidarity, a guy named Ian Manning, he wasn't the guy in that video, but he's another guy who was involved.
He was planning to do this fast for Ramadan, so he woke up in the morning and he tweeted a picture of his breakfast pre-fast, which included bacon.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And then he had to, of course, apologize.
Like, I didn't even realize.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Whoops-a-doodle.
dan friesen
One step forward, two steps back kind of thing.
jordan holmes
I should have just eaten my morning chicken.
dan friesen
I wish Alex would have talked about that because at least it would be interesting as opposed to his just blanket whoever is nice to people I don't like.
jordan holmes
That's unreal.
What a disgusting monster.
dan friesen
Totally.
So Alex has a guest coming up and it's a guest that we haven't heard from in a little bit.
He is a guy who has been known to have his own currency.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
That should tip you off.
It's Max Keiser.
It's great, dude.
Alex has a warning, though, before he comes on air.
alex jones
Max Keiser's going to pop in, which is great.
I like Max, but if it's just a serious show on RT, if he does that show, we're going to have a nice discussion.
If it just turns into like a Tourette syndrome of Bitcoin production promotion, I'm going to end it.
Because I'm just, I'm out of gas, man.
And I like Max Keiser.
I like the Max Keiser on his show.
The Max Keiser on my show, I don't like him.
dan friesen
Alex isn't wrong.
Max Keiser is very different on his show.
He just uses it as a platform to try and sell.
But not MaxCoin.
I think that's dead.
He's just trying to push people into the Bitcoin marketplace.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
Particularly through the channels that he endorses.
The last time he was on, he and Alex, it was all just about, like, hey, Alex.
I tried to give you a ton of Bitcoin that would be worth millions now.
I was like, God damn it.
jordan holmes
That's why he's very bad.
dan friesen
Oh, I would be.
If someone had offered me like a thousand Bitcoin when they were worth a penny or something like that, and I'd said no.
Now, like, sure.
jordan holmes
If somebody offered me 10 Bitcoin whenever it was a penny now, I'd be like, God damn it, that's what, 60 grand?
dan friesen
It was much more than 10 for Alex back then.
jordan holmes
I believe it.
dan friesen
And that should give you some sense of how rich Max Keiser is also.
He is loaded.
jordan holmes
He's loaded, huh?
dan friesen
God damn it.
Most likely.
jordan holmes
Evil always wins, God damn it.
dan friesen
I have a strong sense that he might have...
A lot of millions.
But Alex, you know, before he gets to this interview with Max Geiser, he's got to hit some of the hard-hitting news of the day.
alex jones
Let's play former Van Halen frontman, the Red Rocker, Sammy Hagar.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
I'm not walking down anymore.
dan friesen
This is important.
This is important, Scott.
Sammy Hagar.
jordan holmes
Love his genes, by the way.
dan friesen
Oh, what about his booze?
Cabo Wabo?
jordan holmes
Can't like it.
dan friesen
You know what?
Booze.
That's interesting.
I remember that Alex got a DUI a little bit ago.
jordan holmes
I remember that, too.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And remember after that, he said, I'm never going to drink because then, you know, no one will have it over me or anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he would never drink again.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Bad news about that.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
I've never seen such an awakening.
I was in a...
Just tell the story true.
I was in a liquor store with my wife about two weeks ago getting some...
Beer and wine for a party some friends were going to have.
And I'm in there.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
alex jones
And there's people in there.
And they just mob me.
They're all like, I used to think you were full of it.
I'm a liberal.
unidentified
You're right.
alex jones
It's all a scam.
It's all a fraud.
dan friesen
Yet another story that didn't happen, but probably what did happen is I went to the liquor store and got some booze for a party my friends are having.
jordan holmes
Maybe his wife bought him a flash mob for his birthday or whatever it is.
dan friesen
They all showed up to the liquor store by cameo.
It was a Zoom flash mob or something.
jordan holmes
I was going to get some beer and wine for a party that I shouldn't be going to.
dan friesen
So Max Geiser shows up, and man, this is amazing.
Is one of the...
Man, I've never heard an interview like this.
jordan holmes
How long does it last?
dan friesen
It lasts the entire time.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
I thought it was going to be...
dan friesen
Oh, I mean, when Alex said if he'd start selling Bitcoin, I'm going to cut him off.
He doesn't.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
Of course.
unidentified
Because, dude, I don't even know how to set this up.
dan friesen
I've never heard somebody do something like this on his show.
max keiser
I'm going to throw down the gauntlet, and I'm going to change your viewers' lives right now.
I'm going to give every one of your viewers $10 of free Bitcoin right now.
If they go to swanbitcoin.com forward slash Alex, the promo code Alex, they'll get $10 free Bitcoin right now.
jordan holmes
Right now.
alex jones
That's your on-ramp to Bitcoin.
I'll be accused in some SEC thing.
This is the first I'm learning of this.
That's right.
unidentified
I'm not playing anymore.
max keiser
Okay, we're going to finally make a solution available to your listeners that are now going to experience the hardest money ever in the history of humankind and escape the fiat money prisons.
Hey, Max, here's the deal.
alex jones
Listen, when I said I like currencies outside the system, Just not even for their speculative value, but so you could actually get across the border with money that's yours and to take care of your family.
So when I told you I like, I get the concept of Bitcoin, I don't like the speculation, the wars, but this is what I'm talking about.
You're on the show, and I knew you probably plugged Bitcoin, but now promo code Alex here, they're going to have the damn FBI coming out of black helicopters in probably six hours over this.
I don't even know.
I want to hear about this.
unidentified
I thought you were ready to fight the war.
alex jones
You don't understand, Max.
I thought you were fighting the new world order.
I thought you were ready to go to battle.
unidentified
I thought you were ready to go into the ring with the fiat money.
dan friesen
Caught off by the break.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's good stuff.
dan friesen
That's wild.
jordan holmes
That is...
dan friesen
You gotta produce your show, man.
jordan holmes
What are you doing?
Owen better start beating the shit out of Alex because he's a cuck now.
That just happened.
That is brutal.
dan friesen
You'll be destroyed by Owen.
jordan holmes
I surprised Alex with the URL and a promo code that is his name without...
God, that's such an ass-kicking.
That is a flex of the highest order.
dan friesen
Alex said before the interview, if you start selling Bitcoin, I'm going to end the interview.
He not only doesn't end the interview, Max is...
He has to have prepared that promo code.
jordan holmes
He knew what he was doing.
dan friesen
He showed up and just completely forced Alex into that.
It's outrageous.
jordan holmes
That is really, really fucked up.
dan friesen
That kind of tells you about an implied power imbalance between them.
And that leads me to believe that Max knows he can do whatever the fuck he wants on the show.
Makes me maybe suspect that this is brokered programming.
I'm not positive, obviously, but that would explain it.
Although, another possible explanation is that, you know, we're looking at how shitty Alex is treating Joe Rogan, lying about his Spotify deal.
jordan holmes
I was just thinking about that same thing.
dan friesen
Maybe this is just how Alex thinks friends interact.
Because Max is being a real asshole to Alex here.
Real piece of shit!
unidentified
Maybe it's just like, hey, my world, this is how we bros do it.
jordan holmes
Psychopaths are just like, ha ha, I took advantage of you in a really immoral and fucked up way.
dan friesen
I'm going to fleece your listeners.
jordan holmes
You got me.
You got me.
I can't wait to take advantage of you in some immoral, fucked up way.
dan friesen
We'll give $10 of Bitcoin to all your listeners and one of them falling down a trap will make up for all of whatever we give away.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
God, it'll be great.
jordan holmes
$10 of Bitcoin is what?
Yeah, something terrible.
dan friesen
So, Alex, in this next clip, they come back, and they're talking like he doesn't kick Max off the show, and I think he starts to come around on it a little bit.
But the problem that Alex has is he's not getting paid.
unidentified
I'm trying to fix the problem by offering a solution out of fiat money.
Bitcoin has proven itself over nine years.
alex jones
It's never gone down.
For a major promotion, I have to agree with the position.
I have to think it's moral.
I have to think it's overall a good bet for my audience.
I have to understand it.
I have to tell them, and then I've got to get paid.
I've got to find this operation to feed all these little baby birds that are very hungry.
jordan holmes
Get rid of the preamble.
alex jones
He's like a little baby bird.
jordan holmes
I just got to get a cut.
unidentified
Let's talk.
jordan holmes
Let's talk, you know?
unidentified
Maybe I jumped a gun at this.
alex jones
Oh, it's always, I'm going to get the money.
I'm going to get the money.
unidentified
You know, it's important that we get this information out there.
I think we would agree.
alex jones
I'm going to get a worm on the hook.
unidentified
I'll get the money.
alex jones
I'll get the money.
dan friesen
So Alex being like, it's always like, yeah, you're going to get the money.
You know, like him saying that makes me think that all of those other things about like, I have to be sure it's moral.
It makes me think that those aren't his primary considerations.
Maybe there have been negotiations where Max has been like, you'll get all this money, and Alex is like, I need to be paid up front.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm gonna need a 10% stake on every...
Look, if we used one of those fucking referral programs, we'd at least get a cent on everything, you know?
dan friesen
Maybe.
Yeah, look, it's just...
jordan holmes
Promo code knowledge fight.
dan friesen
It's shady shit.
And, you know...
By the time this interview wraps up, it feels like Alex has come around on it, but is also telling his audience, like, hey, this is bad news, but I'm okay with it.
jordan holmes
Weird.
alex jones
But just separately, moving away from that, and we'll put out the URL you wanted to put out for folks that want to get $10 of free Bitcoin, which I think as long as you take it as that, you know, cheese on the mousetrap, that's fine, folks, a little bit of a test.
You know, it's kind of like going to a random whorehouse, but no, no, no, seriously, I'm going to stop hitting me.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Why are you allowing someone?
To sell your audience cheese on a mousetrap.
jordan holmes
Hey, listen.
I think what China is doing with Bitcoin is horrific and it's terrible.
Also, hey, you do what you do just so long as I don't get fucked up.
dan friesen
Do it to my audience.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would like...
dan friesen
He has no interest in respecting...
jordan holmes
I would like a cut from all of the people you swindle with this.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, we end the 26th with that.
Very weird nonsense.
And we get to the 27th.
And by this point...
Trump has started to make some noise about the Twitter beef.
Sure.
Trump's gotten into a little fight with Twitter.
alex jones
Obviously, Trump has come out.
There's a big story up at DrudgeReport.com.
It's also on InfoWars.com.
Trump threatens to close down social media platforms that silence conservatives as feud with Twitter ramps up.
Well, it's not a feud.
They're blocking the president telling people that...
Mailing everyone in California or New York a mail-in ballot is going to be rife with fraud.
That's on record that you don't do that.
Nobody does that.
dan friesen
There are five states in the United States that conduct all of their elections by mail.
We're talking Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, and Utah.
Studies have been done about their elections and there's no indication of any increased fraudulent behavior.
California, Nebraska, and North Dakota all allow counties to decide if they want to do mail-in ballots for their elections.
There's a bunch of other places that allow varying degrees.
This entire talking point from the right wing is exclusively about trying to suppress the vote.
If there's a pandemic going on and people have to go to crowded buildings to vote, you're going to convince at least a portion of them to stay home.
And this election in particular seems to be one where neither side is necessarily going to convince anyone that their candidate is right.
It's just about who has more folks come out.
In that environment, if you're looking to win, the best strategy is to suppress voting.
There are ways we can handle doing this election safely, but they're going to have to include some of these remote voting strategies and possibly allowing voting over a week instead of one day to spread out the number of people at polling locations.
There's a number of ideas people have floated.
You can expect Trump and his mouthpieces to resist all such measures or suggestions as being inherently fraudulent.
And please do know that their concerns aren't sincere at all.
CBS News reported last week that White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany had, you know, she's been one of these people who's been out there attacking mail-in voting.
She herself voted by mail in every election since November 2008.
It's not a fraudulent system when they use it, but it is when you do.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm so furious.
The media has failed us entirely on this.
Because that should be, this entire thing should literally be like...
Republicans are lying to suppress the vote.
Do not talk about voter fraud.
Don't even mention voter fraud whatsoever.
Just say that the Republicans are lying to suppress the vote.
dan friesen
It should just be like air horn.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's it.
That's all you need to do.
Even pretending to take them seriously is doing everyone such a huge disservice.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So it turns out Trump is on the warpath against these big tech.
jordan holmes
Right, because we live in the single worst timeline that I can imagine.
dan friesen
Yeah, but there's also still palace intrigue.
alex jones
Trump's not surrounded by idiots.
jordan holmes
Yes, he is.
alex jones
And the word is Ivanka and Jared, who have nothing against them, personally, are so far up Google's ass, excuse my French, that, well, let's just say this, their lips and their asses are touching.
dan friesen
So, if that is what you believe, then you have to believe that Trump is fine with having them be high-level advisors and have Google up their ass or whatever.
Why does he play these games?
This is so stupid.
jordan holmes
Hey, my god king is Trump, and I want him to have complete and total power as much as possible.
dan friesen
And I want him to take out Google.
jordan holmes
Also, his children are in a human centipede with Google.
That's just how it works, and I'm fine with that.
Look, I think it's bad, but I still want him to be god king.
God, I hate that.
dan friesen
This is a nonsensical approach.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we now revisit the narrative about Democrats sending COVID patients to nursing homes.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
And over half the deaths nationwide, it was 48. Now it's 51% of all the deaths are nursing homes.
And it's like dominoes one after the other.
Think about the cold-bloodedness of this.
The U.N. comes up with it.
It's put out by the NIH, CDC.
jordan holmes
Yeah, think about the cold-bloodedness.
alex jones
The Dems follow the U.N. plan to the T. Republican states didn't.
And, I mean, this is like if I walked in to a nursing home with people with a deadly pneumonia and said, we're going to put people next to you.
Oh, that's what they did.
The one group that it was killing that they knew, not just to boost the numbers, not just to make the money, $13,000, $49,000, do your math.
That's a lot of money.
dan friesen
Not really.
alex jones
$50,000 plus.
unidentified
Not even why they did it.
alex jones
That's just gravy.
You got gravy.
You got your chicken fried steak.
You got your peas.
You got your corn on the cob.
You got your side fixings there.
jordan holmes
Name five more foods.
alex jones
Is the power.
dan friesen
Alex is hungry.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
So a couple things to remember in terms of nursing homes.
One thing is that they house a particularly vulnerable population, so you would expect number of cases.
The second thing is that because we all understand that dynamic, there are much more stringent testing thresholds for people living in long-term care facilities.
than for the general population, which would also lead to an increase in statistics, because it's really important to know if they are sick.
For some comparison, in Massachusetts there's a 90% threshold that's required to be met for testing in these facilities, whereas in the general public there's no requirement.
Obviously, I'm not trying to minimize the issue.
The fact that a lot of people are dying in these nursing homes is a horrible tragedy.
I only want to provide a little context for Alex's bullshit.
Also, I'm not sure about his statistics about the ratio of deaths in nursing homes.
According to a May 26th release from the AARP, approximately 16,000 people who are in nursing homes, either residents or staff, have died from a number of deaths in nursing homes.
I'm not entirely sure.
I found a couple of things that were...
I think one of the things that was getting twisted or getting lost is there are some states where the number is much higher.
The percentage of people who are in nursing homes is like 50% of the deaths in the state.
And then in New York, it's like 13%.
And I think that what might be getting mistranslated is not weighting these numbers correctly.
I think, I'm not entirely sure, I don't want to say for sure, but that AERP thing is pretty recent.
They're in the business of knowing things about retirees.
jordan holmes
Seems like their main focus, even.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm not entirely sure.
I don't even particularly care to get into the stupid conspiracy about Democrat states intentionally infecting people at nursing homes, because honestly, it's nuts, and one of the more dangerous possible things Alex could be advancing as a conspiracy theory right now.
There's no excuse for this kind of thing, and he has absolutely no proof anything like this is happening outside of an executive order Governor Whitmer signed that he hasn't read.
His theory is that they put all these COVID-19 cases into nursing homes so they could infect everyone and thus make a lot of money by scamming Medicare to treat these new patients, and then the stake is power or whatever.
This theory is stupid, but it gets even stupider when you consider that on March 4th, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services released a memorandum that put into place additional regulations related to screening and infection containment protocol at nursing homes, which, if not followed, could result in disqualification from participation in Medicare and Medicaid.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Quite literally.
If people were behaving in the way Alex is claiming they are, there's a memo here that makes it clear that they would be ineligible to collect the money Alex thinks is one of their main motivations.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if not...
All of the money from Medicare and Medicaid.
Destroying their entire business.
dan friesen
And go to jail.
This is fun games for Alex, but they're real people who have lost loved ones out there.
And what he's doing is trying to take their grief and transform it into something marketable for him.
And I find that sort of behavior to be absolutely reprehensible.
It's normal for Alex, but it is fucking villainous.
It's tough to look at, and it's a powder keg, because these are very sensitive things.
jordan holmes
I mean, with the amount of rage that is everywhere, it's just so irresponsible to suddenly just blame all of the...
Oh, fucking...
The people trying to help are now the people that are targets to all of these fuckers.
dan friesen
So, there are a number of states that Alex lists as these Democrat states that are doing this.
You have...
Primarily here, Michigan, with Governor Whitmer.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then New York is also apparently in Alex's crosshairs because of something about their website.
alex jones
So let's get into the documents, because I just spent 45, 50 minutes on this.
Let me just show you.
Here's the Daily Mail.
New York Health Department website quietly deletes controversial coma order that forced nursing homes to admit coronavirus patients led to 5,000 deaths.
Now, under federal and state law in New York and federally, that's a crime to officially delete a document out of a database.
Oh, and you know, Alex Jones always shows you the proof.
1663 U.S. Code, justice.gov, protection of government property, protection of public records and documents, updated in 1974 with the Freedom of Information Act, also explaining it's a felony.
And that's what they just did.
Oh, but it's okay, because you're the mafia, Don, of New York, and we're all so scared of you.
I'm so scared of you.
dan friesen
So I really enjoy the turn of phrase.
You know Alex always shows you the proof.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Let's get into the documents.
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's get in there.
dan friesen
So when he says, let's get into the documents, then he pulls out a Daily Mail article.
jordan holmes
That's the trick.
dan friesen
Come on, man.
jordan holmes
That's the trick.
dan friesen
So this is just about a page being taken down on the website of the New York Health Department.
That's not the same thing as deleting a record.
jordan holmes
Got him.
dan friesen
Alex is reading a statute that's completely unrelated to removing something from a website, and this rings hollow for me, considering how many things Trump's administration has taken off websites, and Alex hasn't cared about that at all.
jordan holmes
Oh no, I mean, you know, people don't really need to worry about the EPA and climate change and all that stuff.
dan friesen
In this Daily Mail article, a Cuomo spokesperson said that this was just a situation where there was updated guidance that built upon the original declaration, so they replaced the original guidance.
The thing that Alex is failing to understand is pretty much, without exception, all of these situations that he's talking about with these Democrat governors and all this.
These orders are about making explicit that health centers could not discriminate about which patients they would or would not accept based on their COVID status.
This isn't about creating risks within nursing homes.
It's about ensuring patients' rights to care.
So there are even rules in place that if places, quote, cannot accept patients if they are unable to provide adequate care, including staff screenings, PPE, and infection control measures.
So even in the original thing that was taken down from the website to be replaced with proper updated guidance, if these places aren't up to the task of housing and giving adequate care to patients who have tested positive, then they can't accept these patients.
jordan holmes
Because essentially the original order is hospitals are probably going to turn away poor people.
And then the other order is, but if you can't...
Do anything, then you can't do anything.
dan friesen
And people who are in, particularly in these long-term care facilities, have specialized needs that may not be able to be helped at a normal hospital or just a regular run-of-the-mill hospital.
There might be a particular reason why they need to be taken care of by specialists.
And denying people health care based on their condition...
jordan holmes
Is America's way!
dan friesen
It's...
It's troubling.
It could lead to really negative consequences for people who would be refused to care.
And so that's primarily what these things in New York and Michigan were about.
And Alex is misrepresenting that, twisting it around, because of course it is.
Of course he is.
And that's where he's getting into this, like, they sent these people in with coronavirus in order to infect these people.
And now he's getting to the point where he's straight up accusing all these doctors of premeditated murder and kind of insinuating that you should go show up at hospitals.
alex jones
And yeah, the people that took part in this that have medical degrees are all accomplices to premeditated murder.
So I just spent the whole first hour on that and I'm having trouble getting off of it.
But I have had an instinct.
To go physically to these places.
And I know you're all having that instinct as well.
That's a normal instinct when they're killing the most defenseless people.
I mean, there's something wrong with you if you're not pissed off.
unidentified
But imagine those that love it.
alex jones
They love the power to kill an unborn baby or to kill a baby after it's born or to kill an old person.
That power over them.
dan friesen
This has shades of the Pizzagate stuff, with the insinuations of murdering children in this pizza place, and you should go check it out for yourself.
That kind of same vibe.
He doesn't learn lessons, because no one teaches him lessons.
jordan holmes
Because nobody is held accountable when you're in the right wing.
dan friesen
Well, and particularly for him, there's apparently no rules.
jordan holmes
No, there aren't any.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he does these things, and we've seen potential consequences.
We've seen the patterns of behavior that are facilitated by people encouraging this, and let's hope people don't start showing up in hospitals thinking they're going to free elderly patients who are being intentionally infected.
jordan holmes
If we see a bullet fired at a hospital, Alex should be immediately removed from air.
That's just it.
dan friesen
Guess what?
He probably won't be.
Yeah, I know.
But maybe there will be a lawsuit.
So, in this next clip, Alex continues on this theme, and he's sort of talking about how all of his enemies, everybody, they're all zombies.
Maybe you should kill them.
Maybe not, though.
Maybe not.
You should probably kill them, but maybe not.
Hey, look.
Kill them.
But don't!
jordan holmes
At the most legal limit that I can get, I am inspiring you to do a thing, but I'm not doing it.
unidentified
Hey!
alex jones
That's why the allegory that came on the last hundred years or so of a zombie, that was based on old African lore and old European lore, and every culture had the lore of a zombie.
It means a brain-dead, crazy person that's out of their mind that will eat flesh.
No, it doesn't.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
And that's what they are.
And what does a zombie want?
It wants brains.
Why does it want brains?
Because it doesn't have brains.
It's an allegory.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
You got brains.
You got a husband.
You got a wife.
You got a life.
You go to church.
You love God.
You're not perfect, but you believe in humanity and you got a connection to God.
And man, these zombies see that and they don't like it.
And all they want to do is hold you down and bite big chunks out of you.
So...
I ask everybody again, do you think you can make a deal with a zombie?
You think you can throw it some meat and it's going to go away?
No.
You throw a zombie meat over your fence, it's going to climb that fence because it knows where the meat came from.
dan friesen
You're thinking of possums.
alex jones
And so, placating and kissing all these people's butts has to end.
So, I'm not going to do anything violent to Governor Whitmar or Governor Newsom or Governor Cuomo or Governor Wolf.
I'm just going to sit here like a good cowardly American and watch them kill everybody in the nursing homes.
unidentified
So if you're not a good cowardly American...
alex jones
I sit there and I take it and I let them kill old people because I'm a coward.
No, seriously, folks.
It would turn them into martyrs.
So the last thing we want is a little hair on American Psycho's head to be harmed.
We need to destroy his name.
We need to expose what a monstrous sack of garbage he is, and we need to expose all these monsters, and we need them to be indicted.
dan friesen
If I were a dishonest actor, I would have cut that right before he said, no, that would turn them into martyrs, because, you know, the rest of that is very clearly insinuating that any good American would kill these governors.
And I don't think that that part at the end really actually takes away my problem with his entire thing.
I mean, that's just the same thing as I'm going to kill them politically.
You walk away from that with the exact same impression.
It's just like, yeah, there would be some downsides to killing them, but maybe you should, or maybe not.
alex jones
Hey, I don't know.
dan friesen
I'm a coward.
jordan holmes
Also, he's really just describing the Scarecrow, but I guess like George Romero's take on the Scarecrow?
dan friesen
Yeah, there's some problems.
I get really tired.
jordan holmes
Like, zombies do have brains.
dan friesen
I get really tired of doing, like, Alex Jones literary analyses and, like, lore histories.
jordan holmes
It's insane.
dan friesen
He's wrong about everything, pretty much.
jordan holmes
Everything.
dan friesen
So here's the last clip from May 27th.
And it's the last clip because the third hour of the fucking show is him interviewing that libertarian former Satanist priest guy whose name I've already forgotten.
jordan holmes
Done!
Bye!
Click!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Don't give a shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's a real, real disaster.
jordan holmes
Exciting cat.
Exciting cat.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's like, I used to worship Satan, but then I found libertarianism.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He doesn't phrase it that way, but it is very clear that that is what happened.
jordan holmes
Not that much of a difference.
dan friesen
It's quite annoying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So here's the last clip, and it's just Alex lying about Twitter's fact check.
alex jones
Unsubstantiated claim.
Twitter fact-checks Trump on mail-in voting fraud.
Yeah, you've had mail-in ballots around the world be totally fraud-written, but currently there's no proof that the 2020 election was stolen because it isn't happening for 159 days.
So technically it's unsubstantiated.
It's like saying, there's a rattlesnake I saw crawl in that hole.
Don't stick your hand down it.
You're going to get bit.
Maybe it's not hungry.
Maybe it's not scared.
Maybe it doesn't bite you.
dan friesen
That was not their problem.
Their problem was primarily twofold.
One is that there isn't evidence that mail-in ballots have a higher propensity for fraud.
jordan holmes
Well, that's an issue.
dan friesen
And the second is that what Trump was doing was quite literally an explicit and overt act of election misinformation.
Because, hey, there are a number of states that currently primarily use mail-in ballots.
What he's saying is that your system of elections is rife with fraud.
jordan holmes
All I'm saying is what I hear is...
Peaceful transition of power in the end of 2020.
dan friesen
He's attacking the electoral process of at least five states and the country.
jordan holmes
Well, he's attacking the very concept of an electoral process.
dan friesen
You bet.
jordan holmes
He would prefer not to happen.
dan friesen
And so that's why Twitter fact-checks things.
Not because a technicality of the 2020 election hasn't happened yet.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
That's ridiculous.
But that's the best Alex can do, because he sucks.
jordan holmes
It's going to be so pathetic when they back down.
It's going to be a real sad day.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So now we get to the 28th, Thursday's show.
And I thought that this was going to be a wild ride because of things that are happening in the world, particularly in Minneapolis.
And I was pretty shocked when we opened the show.
alex jones
I know that there's a lot of different political ideas and political systems out there in the world.
Meet the sheep.
What I do is I actually study what the megacorporations and the big banks and the robber baron dynasties actually believe in and are up to.
jordan holmes
Because you run propaganda for them.
alex jones
Leaders listen to this show.
It's the reason all the major intelligence agencies listen to the broadcast.
It's the reason that millions of people, despite all the hurdles, come here every day.
Because I know what I'm talking about.
jordan holmes
Do you?
alex jones
I know what they're talking about.
jordan holmes
Do they?
alex jones
I know what they're talking about.
jordan holmes
Don't they?
alex jones
And this is real and this is unfiltered.
It has now officially come out, not just in Australia, not just the UK, but now the US has come out, the State Department, and confirmed they knew they were doing bioweapons development of coronaviruses at that lab.
Now, that's old news.
Now it's confirmed mainstream.
You know what that means?
That means the deep state's losing their war against America.
dan friesen
So this is how he's starting the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I have no idea what he's talking about.
I tried to find with this State Department.
I have no idea what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
Don't worry about it.
dan friesen
I tried to find it on Infowars.
I couldn't find it.
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
No clue.
dan friesen
So I was baffled by this.
jordan holmes
Just make it up.
dan friesen
I was completely thrown.
I heard the air raid sirens.
I thought for sure he would be talking about the situation that's unfolding.
And he was not immediately.
But he does get to it pretty quickly.
And what he does is something that I think, you know, I'm getting to a point where I'm not really surprised by anything he does.
And I kind of have a sense of how things are going to go.
I think there's probably a lot of people who figured he would blow up and freak out.
And my instinct told me that no, that's not what he's going to do.
What he's going to do is give a patronizing call for unity.
This is where Alex goes in a time like this.
And it turns out I was correct.
alex jones
I was praying hard this morning.
Woke up at 4 a.m.
And God just said, be positive.
Talk about the positive.
And talk about what unifies us.
Because that's why they're pushing all this race war stuff all over the news.
And using an example of a cop that doesn't know what he's doing.
jordan holmes
Really?
alex jones
Sitting on a guy's neck.
For fun, and kills the poor guy.
And you can see that humanity of somebody begging for air for eight minutes and then dying, and all of us feel for that man.
I don't care if he's black or white.
There's been similar cases of white cops sitting on top of white guys' heads while they beg and say, I can't breathe.
It's terrible footage, and the officer's an idiot.
He doesn't have this knee on the guy's head.
He has it on his carotid artery.
You block just one of those, you kill somebody.
It's torturous, by the way.
One is open.
He's getting air on this artery, but the other side's not getting it.
That's why you talk about eight minutes of torture.
That guy's like, man, I can't breathe.
One side's locked up.
You're out.
The other side's getting you blood.
Man, that is painful, I'm told.
So, yeah, watching somebody tortured to death, if you have any empathy, you don't like it.
Kind of like all the people dying in nursing homes with tubes down their lungs, blowing their lungs up.
Black, white, old young being killed.
Crazy COVID patients that are black beating up white patients and vice versa.
It's all going on because we're an evil, fallen country.
Not everybody, but in general.
And so you can look at those images and then look at all the idiot images of people burning down targets and beating up old white ladies because they're white.
It's all stupid.
It's all ignorance.
And the people perish for lack of knowledge.
Burning down Target and beating up an old white lady isn't going to bring that guy back.
We have to transcend this or the globalists are going to win and they're coming after everybody.
dan friesen
So there's a lot of problems with this, but like I said, this is about what I have come to expect from Alex.
So in this case, the victim was a black man and the cop who killed him was a white man.
And thus, instead of it being a brutal act of horrific violence, it's a cop who doesn't know what he's doing.
Just the very initial framing of this is indicative that Alex's angle on this is going to be to minimize the murder and focus on the public backlash to what was felt to be an inadequate response.
You know, the firing...
jordan holmes
What's been proven to be an inadequate response.
dan friesen
Alex does not give a fuck about this story or George Floyd.
It's just gotten too big for him to ignore.
I can say that pretty comfortably, considering that this is the first time any of the story has come up, and this is the Thursday episode.
Floyd was killed on Monday evening, and the video of it would be released soon after.
Alex could have easily brought this up on the show on Tuesday if he was concerned about the cops' actions, but he was too busy minimizing the coronavirus and getting back to explicit Islamophobia.
Large protests took place on Tuesday, where police responded to protesters with percussion grenades and tear gas, which is a very stark tactical difference from the way the police responded to armed militia weirdos invading state buildings to complain about Starbucks being closed just a few weeks ago.
If Alex cared about this story, he could have covered the protests that took place on Tuesday on his Wednesday show, but he was too busy lying about Democratic governors trying to intentionally infect nursing homes with coronavirus for profit and interviewing a satanic libertarian weirdo.
The protests were in response to the police department just firing the officers who were involved instead of charging them with murder, and they were met with force.
On Wednesday night, there were more protests, and again, the police used tear gas and flashbangs to try and disperse the crowd.
There was property damage and a lot of chaos, but it's hard to look at the ensuing events and not understand exactly how this happened and how it could have easily been completely averted.
This situation is still ongoing, and I do not, at the time that we're recording, feel like I have enough information to fully grasp a lot of the intricacies of things.
I've been trying to keep up as best I can, but I feel like it's very difficult for me To fully understand the bit-by-bit pieces.
Yeah.
And considering the fact that we're recording here on Thursday towards the evening, and there's...
I don't know what's going on as we've been recording.
unidentified
Right now, there's...
jordan holmes
Yeah, something's going on.
dan friesen
So I feel it's premature to get too into coverage of stuff.
Outside of saying that Alex is...
Like, he clearly doesn't care.
jordan holmes
He doesn't care about this.
I...
Like, here's...
If this were reversed, so to speak, If this was a white protest, and they had done what they had done, Alex would immediately be like, this country was started because of property damage.
The Tea Party damaged property, and that's because when you try and peacefully protest, then they don't listen, then you have to get louder, and the only way to get louder and make them listen is with property damage.
So I don't know, I don't...
I don't give a fuck what any of these right-wing dum-dums have to say.
I don't give a shit.
I don't know everything, but these people should shut the fuck up.
dan friesen
Oh, no, I agree with you there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Just shut the fuck up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So what's going on here is that Alex wants to take the initial inciting event, a murder of a subdued man in police custody, and say, well, that's a shame, while yelling his lungs off trying to scare his audience about scary black people looting.
He can pay lip service to the initial event only so far as it allows him to connect to his existing narratives about the nursing homes and about the 20-year-old who beat up that elderly guy in one of the nursing homes.
Even in the way Alex connects these stories, he's taking this little concession that George Floyd shouldn't have been killed and then following it up by pointing out that the 20-year-old in that nursing home video is black.
He can't deal with the story without saying, hey, black people did some bad things too, which tells you all you need to know about where he's coming from.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's imperative for Alex to find ways to refocus the story of the murder.
Of a defenseless black man by the police into a story that's really about white victimhood.
And the way he's done that is to equivocate, you know, bring up instances of unrelated bad things that black people have done, and to reframe stories, you know, discuss the looting and the protests in such a way as to center white people's victimhood stories as the main thing to really worry about, like the woman in the wheelchair he's talking about.
This is supremely unsurprising, and it's exactly what you'd expect from someone like Alex, whose primary existence is wrapped up in being entirely about white.
jordan holmes
Aren't white people always under attack?
That's what we feel like.
Especially compared to his rhetoric from the 26th and 27th where he's like, they're literally murdering people!
And then you look at the racial disparity in not just police violence but in the way that COVID is attacking people and it's hard not to think there's a passive genocide going on and then an active one.
And it's fucked.
So, yeah.
dan friesen
Well, Alex wants to center white victimhood.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Surprising.
dan friesen
You make a point.
jordan holmes
Apologies.
dan friesen
That's fine.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex disagrees.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Let me just do this.
We got about 50 of these clips, but let's just play for TV and radio listeners.
Four or five clips of the looting and the rioting and the racial attacks on white people in LA and in Minnesota.
dan friesen
So, you know, this is how he's starting out.
Discussing this story is by pre-front-loading the stories about attacks on whites and scary black people looting.
Focusing on that angle of the story is a way to contextualize things.
And it's intentional.
It's what Alex is doing.
The first two jobs he's achieved of what he plans to do.
One...
It's making like, ah, he shouldn't have died.
He shouldn't have been killed.
The cop didn't know what he was doing.
And the second is center everything around white panic.
And that's how you cover a story like this if you're someone like Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and if you're going to appeal to unity, the protesters are multi-generational, multi-racial, multi-background, everything.
And the people on the other side are white.
dan friesen
It does seem that way.
The end.
Another part of this that has to be done is Alex has to make excuses for the officer, and here he tries.
alex jones
And I'm glad people have some humanity when they see somebody pinned down, begging for their life, dying, and somebody callously, ignorantly killing them.
Because I guarantee you, that cop didn't know he was killing them.
jordan holmes
Yes, he did.
alex jones
That dumbass doesn't know about anatomy.
jordan holmes
He's a murderer.
alex jones
You got the guy's head turned to the side, your knees right on his carotid artery, bubba.
You think that cop wondered what's about to happen to him?
No.
He's a dumbass like so many other people.
There are dumb cops, there are good cops.
There are dumb doctors, there's good doctors.
There's bad, evil people and there's good people.
But that's not somebody being evil, that's somebody being a bully, dumbass.
You can see he's enjoying it, sitting there like he's in charge.
And really all he's doing...
jordan holmes
He's murdering him.
alex jones
He's burning his whole life up, along with George Floyd's.
dan friesen
And here we see one of the other primary features of Alex's white apologetics.
jordan holmes
Won't someone think of his problems, Dan?
dan friesen
Well, what Alex is doing is shuffling blame.
Alex is willing, he's guaranteed that the cop had no idea that he was killing Floyd, but this is kind of hard to square with what Alex said literally seconds before that.
If you go back to the beginning of that clip, his exact words were, quote, I think you can see how this doesn't come anywhere close to passing the smell test, and Alex isn't making sense.
So, what Alex does in situations like this is he takes any real meaningful blame away from white aggressors against non-white people.
We saw this recently in the case of Ahmaud Arbery, where Alex made it okay to shoot and kill Arbery because the guys thought he was suspicious, and after they chased him down, he defended himself.
This is a way of softening the way in which the murder is discussed, and Alex is doing the same thing here.
The cop is only responsible for this to the point where he didn't know what he was doing, according to Alex, which is kind of a cowardly position.
The Daily Beast reported on May 28th about a man named Ira Toles, who was shot by the same cop who killed Floyd back in 2008, and there's a number of other incidents in
Yeah.
I am certain of this.
jordan holmes
It's just beyond what you can reasonably expect from a human being, as he says, with empathy.
dan friesen
Yep.
So one of the things that he wants to do, though, is to take those very natural human reactions, the empathy that you feel, the concern, the outrage, and funnel them to his use.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, I mean...
dan friesen
So what he does is he plays a clip.
Of the video, which we won't be listening to on the show.
But this is what he says immediately after.
alex jones
You just watched him kill a man.
dan friesen
Murder.
alex jones
Now, I want you to take what you just saw, and I want you to think about the 56,000 people that were black, white, old, young, but mainly old, in hospitals, being murdered.
by them bringing in COVID-19 patients on purpose and then sticking a hose down their neck and blowing their lungs up to get money.
dan friesen
I mean this very sincerely.
Alex only played the video to use it for his predetermined points.
He's hoping to take whatever rightful response you have to seeing the police kill a defenseless man and redirect that anger away from being focused on issues of police brutality or racial differences in policing and point it squarely at his narratives.
It's an attempt to basically take over the story by way of minimizing it and co-opting it, which is really shitty.
But that's the game he plays, and it's So Alex is seriously focused on doing this.
Shifting the narrative thing, or using this for his narratives, and also insisting the cop didn't know what he was doing.
When I was listening to this clip, I had some very visceral flashbacks to other things that we've covered on this episode, and I'll explain myself on the other side.
alex jones
And they're going to show us the footage that they cherry-picked of that police officer committing manslaughter, bare minimum.
jordan holmes
Murder.
alex jones
Manslaughter, again, is when you kill somebody but didn't intend to.
jordan holmes
So this is murder.
alex jones
And that dumbass cop did not know he was killing him.
jordan holmes
Murdered him.
alex jones
And I'm not defending him.
You know, his ignorance is worse than knowing he was going to do it.
Because...
jordan holmes
Then he should be punished more.
alex jones
From great power comes great responsibility.
unidentified
And...
alex jones
We have to empathize for everybody that dies.
So I want you to now think about...
The 62 million babies we've killed.
The tens of millions that have been kept alive and harvested after they're born.
And I want you to think about them because they don't have voices to speak out.
So yeah, be upset about...
jordan holmes
Neither is fucking Floyd anymore.
alex jones
That's good.
But you think about all those old people and all those babies, then you ask, where are the people pissed and upset about that?
And where's the targeted action?
And I'm not calling for targeted action, but you go burn down Target?
Because a bad cop killed a black guy?
What about the people killing all the old folks and killing the babies?
They're the ones that think they're getting away with it all.
dan friesen
So, like I said, when I was listening to that clip, I had a visceral flashback.
I felt sick, and I realized that the way Alex was talking about this current tragedy and trying to funnel it into narratives about abortion, it was exactly what he did the day after the Charleston shooting.
Here's how Alex opened his show on June 18th, 2015.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us.
Very tragic events have taken place in Charleston on the East Coast.
A deranged, classically mentally ill-looking young man has bussed into a church last night and basically sat there for an hour before...
Shooting and killing execution-style nine black people on a white-on-black racial attack.
And this is one of these events that I call a Rosetta Stone.
There are a lot of them that are.
But you can take this event and look at every angle of our problems through it and learn a lot.
Number one, I don't mean this sarcastically, Dylan Roof, who's now in police custody, Who walked around and posted to Facebook in places himself wearing South African apartheid attire and patches,
should have gone and gotten a job at Planned Parenthood, or gone to medical school to be an abortionist, and then he could kill tens of thousands of black people in his career and be called a great member of society.
And that's what the smart racists do.
dan friesen
This is one of Alex's big strategies for minimizing violence against non-white people.
If you ever find yourself caring about an unarmed minority being murdered, step back and think about abortion, which should help you to stop caring so much about that individual murder and will preclude you from ever considering the things we could do as a society to stop things like that from happening again.
You never, and I mean never, hear Alex deploy this strategy after there's a crime against a white person.
Can you imagine him responding to the Kate Steinle shooting by saying that it's terrible and sad, but consider all the abortions.
Of course not.
He used that death for months to argue against the U.S. allowing in any immigrants.
This is a technique that Alex wants to look like it's an act of broadening the scope of the story.
It's like, oh, take this and consider.
But in reality, what he's doing is he's trying to shift focus.
Stories like these two are very threatening to Alex, so he can't really handle talking about them.
The best way to avoid that is to pay lip service to the very clear reality and then try to argue that the real story is abortion.
Why get bogged down in bickering about one death when there are so many babies?
That math never gets deployed to distract from white death.
It is, in reality, his way of minimizing non-white death.
And that's very clear, if you pay attention.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, this was a bummer.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a real bummer.
dan friesen
One thing that I find pretty interesting is that Alex doesn't stay on this story all that long.
And I think part of the reason is because he knows you just gotta touch, do this thing, and then move along.
Because dwelling on this for too long is not in his best interest.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And it doesn't really serve his audience, like what they are into.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they don't care.
dan friesen
No.
I mean, you can...
jordan holmes
They already didn't care.
You don't need to convince them not to care.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so we jump from here on to just talking more about Gates and vaccines and stuff.
alex jones
Another Gates vaccine bites the dust.
Sick monkeys everywhere.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Chairman of the Children's Health Defense.
And it's in the news.
It was announced yesterday.
Last week, they shut down his testing company because they had fraud going on.
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
Well, now, ladies and gentlemen, they've had the monkeys getting sick and dying.
A 20% rate.
So Bill Gates had said, oh, one in 10,000 will have an adverse reaction.
So we'll have 700,000 people get sick or die.
But 20% is not one out of 10,000.
It's 20%.
So, let's do the math.
We have 7.5 billion people.
Can we do the math on the calculator, guys?
7.5 billion people and 20% have an adverse reaction.
What's 20% of 7.5 billion people?
We all know the math, don't we?
dan friesen
You clearly don't.
alex jones
It's 700 plus million people.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
We all know the math.
dan friesen
Wow.
alex jones
It's even higher than that.
dan friesen
I bet.
So Alex is lying about that story about the lab.
We've touched on that a bit over the course.
He seems to like repeating that.
There's a complete fabrication on his part.
It has no connection with reality.
So as for this vaccine story, this is just anti-vax propaganda that's being put out by Robert Kennedy Jr.
The headline of the story is, quote, another Gates vaccine bites the dust, which Alex is interpreting as a story about a vaccine not working out, but in reality, the entire story is just misrepresenting the results of preliminary trials.
This Kennedy article is about two different vaccines that are in the process of development.
One is from Moderna, which is, of course, Spanish for mother.
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
That's a callback.
I don't actually think that.
jordan holmes
If you're just joining us, please don't.
Please don't do this.
dan friesen
I gotta not do jokes like that.
So that one, the article claims is going terribly, but then the source they provide is a Moderna press release titled, quote, Moderna announces positive interim phase one data for its mRNA vaccine against novel coronavirus.
The other is a different vaccine, which is being tested on macaques.
Kennedy, in his article, writes, quote, all vaccinated macaques sickened after exposure to COVID-19.
The link they provide is to the pre-publication data, and it goes to an article in the University of Oxford's Immunology Network website.
If you read it, you'll find this line, quote, A SARS-CoV-2 challenge, 28 days post-vaccination, led to clinical symptoms in 5 out of 6 vaccinated animals, but improved disease progression compared to non-vaccinated animals.
It seems to be saying that not all of the animals got sick, which is what Kennedy reported in his article.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, you round up.
dan friesen
He's either lying about this paper or he didn't even bother to read it, and honestly, I don't even give a shit which.
He's an asshole, and he's not a source to take seriously on this issue, but Alex is more than happy to blindly accept his narratives because they help attack vaccines.
jordan holmes
Man, it's wild that the son of a guy who's transformed into a bit of a progressive hero in many people's fantasy book on creating a better America turned into such a shitbag.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
That's a real bummer.
dan friesen
Sure.
So neither of these trials are the sort of thing where anyone is saying, hey, work's done.
It's just a step in the process.
And Alex is intentionally misrepresenting that.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So the 20% number that Alex seems to be citing...
I think he was saying that it's 20% of the monkeys got sick or something?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But that was about the Moderna vaccine in Kennedy's article, and that appears to be a human trial, so I don't know how that connects.
And also, if you go to the link they provide to the Moderna press release, which is what this is supposed to be sourced from, you don't see 20% or even a related fraction anywhere in the press release.
I honestly have no idea where that number is coming from because it's not in the source, nor is any indication that there were high incidents of adverse reactions in the press release that they link.
It really seems to all just be made up.
Anyway, no one is suggesting giving anyone that vaccine or any vaccine with a 20% negative reaction rate.
If that number were actually reflected in the data, that would be one thing, and because I'm not a fucking idiot, I understand that what would happen next is figuring out what went wrong and adjusting things before doing more trials.
This seems like nothing.
And it's honestly, I found it offensively petty and pointless.
Like, there's serious stuff going on right now.
Why am I wasting my time reading Robert Kennedy Jr.'s nonsense about vaccine trials that appears to be made up?
Now.
I think that almost any other issue than what's going on in Minneapolis is probably small potatoes in terms of importance, relevance in terms of what's going on in the world right now, what I would hope Alex would talk about so I could attack.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So I'm disappointed by talking about a dumb Gates vaccine thing.
However, I'm not disappointed by this next clip.
jordan holmes
This is where he commits a felony.
dan friesen
Well, I think he's lying.
But if he's not, he's in fucking serious trouble.
alex jones
This is not about taking credit.
It's about taking review.
Taking stock.
I knew that everybody was afraid to advise the president because if you did, all hell would break loose and it would come after you and your family.
But I thought, hey, why go half hog?
Let's go full hog.
So I financed three major law firms separately from each other, three of the biggest in D.C., paid them a lot of money.
To not just write up drafts of how the president could sign executive orders, and another plan was a commission.
That's what one of the law firms came up with.
And it wasn't just the money to write these plans up.
Including with advice from some of the top people in telecommunications.
Folks.
Very close.
Oh, I mean, like, in the chair, you know.
How about Brad?
It's so easy to take action when you do it.
dan friesen
So, he's talking about Trump's executive order about social media stuff.
Now, let me walk you through this.
According to that last clip.
Alex paid a number of law firms to draft up some plans for Trump to use as the basis for this executive order against social media that he apparently signed today.
I don't believe any of it's real, but if we pretend it is, let's consider some ramifications of this admission that I don't think Alex realizes he's saying.
If what he's saying is true, Alex Jones is no longer a fake journalist.
He's no longer a broadcaster.
He is explicitly a lobbyist.
Paying lawyers to argue for specific desired legislation is basically the definition of lobbying.
And guess what?
If Alex did do what he's saying and he didn't report the money he spent, he could get arrested for that.
That is very illegal.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
Assuming that he's not making this up, he's admitting to a federal offense on air.
According to the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995, If you employ lobbyists and you're not a non-profit, you have to register with the Secretary of State and the Clerk of the House of Representatives.
You don't need to register if you spend less than $11,500, but Alex said he spent a lot of money on this, and it's the top three firms in D.C., so if he's not making shit up, he spent way more than $11,500.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would be a huge discount.
Huge discount.
dan friesen
Yeah, which the top three law firms in D.C. are not giving Alex.
jordan holmes
Law firms are not known for giving Alex discounts.
dan friesen
Especially for lobbying to the fucking president.
jordan holmes
That's cheap.
Small potatoes.
dan friesen
People who are in the position Alex is pretending he is in are required to fill out quarterly reports of their lobbying activity, and failure to do so can lead to a fine of up to $200,000 and up to five years in prison.
There's an additional problem, too, that comes with this in terms of rules regarding lobbyists, and that is that Alex's show is no longer an independent platform if he's paying money to lobby Trump.
If Alex is paying law firms to lobby to Trump, then it could be interpreted that the positive coverage that Alex gives Trump is a form of donation in kind, which could be considered a gift to Trump.
That sycophantic exuberance Alex has for everything Trump does could be reconsidered as an illegal donation to try to sway the person you're paying to lobby toward in terms of enacting legislation, or in this case, an executive order.
Which could make this a much bigger crime if someone were to investigate this and find that Alex had actually done this, which I still don't necessarily think he actually did.
jordan holmes
Ah, but if he did, this could be our Al Capone tax evasion situation.
God, let's get him locked up!
dan friesen
I don't believe Alex.
jordan holmes
I don't believe it either.
unidentified
He doesn't have the money to go to three top law firms.
jordan holmes
He doesn't have the money to pay his own lawyers.
dan friesen
I think what this is, it's just his normal blowhard, narcissist, braggart self.
He can't stand to not make himself the center of every story.
But if he's not lying, he better have reported that shit.
Like, I searched the U.S. Senate Lobbying Disclosure Act database, and nothing came up for Alex Jones or Alexander Jones or anyone associated with Infowars or free speech systems, but I can see that he could have some fake business name that he's hiding things under.
That's possible, but point is, Alex better be lying, or he better fucking hope that no one decides to investigate this, because this could get you jammed up.
jordan holmes
God, please.
Please, somebody.
Do something to bad people.
Just once in my life, I would like to see something bad done to bad people.
dan friesen
It's such a random, weird thing to be discussing, too.
Like, for me to just, like, wait a second.
That's lobbying.
jordan holmes
Personally, I kind of view, what I think of when I hear that is, that's somebody else's story.
Somebody else did that, and Alex is then like...
Oh, that sounds like a good story for me to have done.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, that's entirely possible.
There was an article in the Daily Beast that I was reading that was talking about the roots of this, and I can't remember the guy's name, but they were saying that this was mostly cooked up by someone from the Heritage Foundation.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
So it's possible that that's what Alex is doing.
That's possible.
But, like, I'm just saying, if we take Alex at his word, he probably is admitting to it.
jordan holmes
Lawyer up, buddy.
dan friesen
Call Barnes.
So anyway, I thought this was interesting because as I was listening to it, I was like, that's fucking lobbying.
And I was like, Alex isn't going to say that's lobbying.
But then in this next clip...
jordan holmes
He does not say it's lobbying.
God damn it.
alex jones
See, I wasn't trying to lobby him to get some subsidy for nuclear submarines I was building.
Or I wasn't trying to get subsidies for a golf course.
I wasn't trying to get subsidies for something.
I didn't want something from the president for me.
jordan holmes
Yes, you did.
I wanted to be back on Facebook and Twitter.
alex jones
Take action for everybody.
dan friesen
So I get where Alex is trying to come from, but legally that doesn't matter at all.
You're still required to report lobbying expenses, even if you think they're selfless.
And his point is stupid, like you even pointed out.
He's trying to say that he wasn't trying to get a subsidy for himself.
He was fighting for everyone, but that's bullshit.
Being back on social media platforms like Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube would be worth millions in revenue to Alex.
Lobbying the president to try to force these companies to allow you on their platform represents a gigantic financial interest for Alex.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Call it a subsidy or not, it's the same thing.
jordan holmes
Kind of a big deal.
dan friesen
Alex is claiming that he paid law firms a ton of money to lobby the president to do something that would get him back on social media because being on social media is very profitable.
That's the long and short of this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the main deal.
dan friesen
But here's where things get murky.
The whole point of Trump's executive order is trying to take away the legal protection that these platforms have regarding what things get posted.
For instance, if you post some copyrighted material on YouTube, YouTube isn't held responsible for that.
That's the nature of The dynamic in terms of being a platform versus a publisher.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Or, you know, like if Alex Jones agitates people about a satanic cabal eating children in a pizza place, Twitter isn't responsible for him posting those things.
If these platforms have to take responsibility for the things that individuals post, they will not exist anymore.
It's the equivalent of them, like, breaking a toy that someone won't let them play with because it's, you know, the other person's toy and the last time they played together, you punched them in the face.
That's the mentality that they're operating from.
jordan holmes
If it does work, though, Trump will have done his only service to humanity.
dan friesen
Destroying all of these companies?
jordan holmes
Destroying Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube.
dan friesen
Destroying the internet, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
Basically.
dan friesen
Because if these rules are broadly interpreted, that'll have an effect of basically disabling all manners of message boards or online community.
Once a person running a place has to assume responsibility for everything anyone posts in their space, it's no longer worth it to open spaces up for communication.
Also, a whole lot of people are really only still on social media because the individual companies aren't responsible for what they post.
If anything, removing that protection will only result in way, way more strict content rules than we have now.
This will backfire like crazy, but also, it will never stand up in court.
jordan holmes
This is not going to do anything.
It's done.
I really hate everybody.
The media has failed us on a level that is incomprehensible.
dan friesen
But even though legally this is questionable, Probably won't work out.
It's a stupid, short-sighted, authoritarian-in-nature move, and it ultimately has nothing to do with Alex's supposed lobbyist.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
Twitter put a fact check on Trump's tweet, and it was a very clear instance of electoral misinformation.
Trump got mad about it.
So now he's using the apparatus of the state to retaliate against a private company.
jordan holmes
Which is constitutional!
dan friesen
And it's really something that libertarian-ass Alex should be super against.
jordan holmes
I love it!
dan friesen
Oh, well.
jordan holmes
Yeah, use the federal government to force a private business to do your bidding.
I don't understand what's wrong with that.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably nothing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex has these predictions, this do-me vibe, real do-me.
He's talking about how they're going to kill Trump.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He actually has a specific prediction about it.
jordan holmes
On a date?
dan friesen
No, but the method, and it's one to write down, because I don't think it's going to come true.
But here are some of the predictions that he's got going.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
So, race war.
They're going to have women come out and say Trump raped them.
They're going to try to kill the president.
jordan holmes
Already did.
alex jones
And they're going to have, I think China's going to move on Hong Kong.
jordan holmes
Already did.
alex jones
They are moving on it, but I mean, they're saying they may invade.
So you got that going on.
dan friesen
So these are like kind of the normal predictions Alex has.
It's sort of what feels like preemptive damage control and just standard stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's kind of meaningless blabber.
But that last part's interesting.
Alex says that China is going to move in on Hong Kong, which he is against.
And I wonder, does he not know that the Trump administration just certified that Hong Kong is no longer considered autonomous from China?
Does Alex not realize that Mike Pompeo came out and just declared that this Wednesday?
Is Alex really that unaware of the real world that he doesn't realize that his team has already signaled that they view Hong Kong as part of China, most likely as a way to ratchet up tensions with China and put in sanctions?
This is critically important to understand.
Alex doesn't know anything.
jordan holmes
No.
None.
dan friesen
Nothing.
unidentified
Nothing.
dan friesen
He doesn't bring that up.
jordan holmes
No, but they're going to move on him soon.
unidentified
Cool.
jordan holmes
That's the trend.
dan friesen
I don't know what that means.
jordan holmes
They're going to move on them.
dan friesen
I don't know what that means.
jordan holmes
Like a bitch.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, we get back to some of Alex's feelings about the killing of George Floyd.
Now, one of the things that I wanted to bring up is, first of all...
The way Alex pivots the narratives and brings up, like, consider the abortions is something that is explicitly and specifically done on his show in order to minimize non-white victims of violence.
That is one thing that is very important and I think is essential that we highlight in terms of this coverage.
The second comes up in this clip.
alex jones
The point is, though, that the natural instinct when you see somebody begging for their life...
And they're killed for no reason is to go out as a military and say, well, what is it I see?
Well, it's uniforms.
Or these are white people.
That's at least the first step to understanding the New World Order.
I'm not endorsing anybody.
I think it's terrible.
But at least the first level of fighting back is there.
And if I can get that first level and point it at the real enemy that's engineered all of this, and if people politically stand up and say no and...
Verbally stand up and say no and aggressively put the type of energy into politics in life that it takes to go burn down a building or attack the police?
Well, our problems will be over very, very quickly.
dan friesen
So what's interesting about this is I think this is how Alex thinks he acts.
jordan holmes
All the time?
Yes.
When he says we should go after them politically, you think he thinks that...
dan friesen
No, no, no.
I think that Alex...
Like, might believe that this is how he always reacts to situations like this, but it's only true when there's white on black crime.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
I mean, with that, like, he's like, we need to kill these people and find them in their home!
Politically.
Like, that kind of thing, he thinks is the same as being like...
If you guys put all of that revolutionary energy into just really engaging with the political process, he thinks that's all the time.
dan friesen
Somewhat.
What I mean more is that this response to, hey...
You see someone do something really bad to an innocent civilian, and what you do is you respond to these markers about them like they're white or they're a cop, but what you need to do is focus.
See, it's good that you get mad about that, but you need to focus that right at the globalists.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Alex is pretending that that is the way he behaves universally, and it is not true.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Like I said, this is only true of cases where there's white-on-black crime.
jordan holmes
See, it's okay for China to commit a genocide.
dan friesen
He absolutely doesn't encourage people to look past the race or position of the perpetrator when there's a situation with a white victim and a non-white person to point the finger at.
In those cases, he's very much about seeing who did something and indicting an entire group.
When Kate Steinle died, Alex created an entire imagined storyline about an evil immigrant who saw her and her dad and then killed her because he thought that the dad was her boyfriend and he was jealous that he couldn't be with this beautiful white woman.
Alex covered this story dishonestly and racially for months, despite evidence coming out in trial that completely contradicted his made-up version of the story, and at no point was the point to look past the identity of the person being blamed for the death and focus on the globalists.
When Alex was covering the story, he was doing so to agitate specifically against immigrants, documented or not, and he used the entirely fabricated version of it that his perverted mind dreamt up as a weapon against a vulnerable community.
It's important to understand this.
Alex sounds so conciliatory and like he's above the fray when he's here on air saying that it's sad that Floyd died, but we need to not get bogged down in who did it and focus on the evil globalists.
That's part of Alex's trick.
It's a misdirection.
And it's so obvious when you consider how these stories get covered.
To refresh your memory, here's a little clip of Alex covering Kate Steinle's death, making up details and editorializing like crazy.
alex jones
On Wednesday evening, he shot the 31-year-old woman at Pier 14, once in her upper body.
How loving, according to police.
He was found about a mile away and an hour later arrested.
CNN cannot determine on Friday if he has an attorney.
One will be provided.
She was loving, smart, beautiful.
CNN only reporting on this because he shot her.
Either raped her or stabbed her and her family even complained.
They'd call him racist.
Just a mentally ill person.
I mean, she was smoking hot.
That's why he killed her.
Just total jealousy, total hatred.
Saw a happy family out.
His father told the San Francisco Chronicle there was one pop and his daughter fell to the ground.
Video shows several people trying to help the young woman.
Racist helping a white person.
She just kept saying, Dad, help me, help me.
She fought for her life but died.
Hey!
Isn't it going to be better when all the whites are dead?
I mean, white people are inherently bad?
dan friesen
So, you see the complete difference.
There is an absolute, I don't know, I want to come up with a $5 word for essential.
jordan holmes
Difference.
Quintessential.
dan friesen
Sure, go for it.
There is just a structural difference in the way these things are presented.
And make no mistake, in that episode, back when he was covering that death, Alex was singularly focused on the identity of the man he had decided was guilty, complaining about how no headlines about the case brought up that he was an undocumented immigrant.
alex jones
When there was a single popping sound in the air, we don't call this Son of Sam murders and top story anymore, because Son of Sam, he was a white guy, or he was Jewish.
No, no, no.
This is an illegal god.
And so, she fell to the ground.
He's never called an illegal alien, by the way.
You notice the headline.
She fell to the ground.
Well, I mean, according to...
I mean, she's white.
dan friesen
Alex is not above the fray.
He's not above the right-left paradigm.
He just pretends to be, because that tricks idiots into thinking that he's coming from some place of a moderate mind and reasonable ideas, which helps him indoctrinate them into extreme right-wing racist ideology, and more importantly, his supplement line.
This is part of the gigantic trick that Alex plays, and when you think about how much mileage he got out of people being like, yeah, man, sure, sure, he hates Obama, but he hated Bush, too.
It's like, okay, what you're trying to imply is that he's somewhere in the middle and he calls out everybody.
No, he hated Bush because Bush wasn't far right enough.
jordan holmes
Yep.
And he hated Obama because he was black.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
The end.
dan friesen
That kind of distills in.
Alex really wants to, in these situations, like when there is a very obvious case of a white police officer killing an unarmed black man.
And he can't deny it.
He can't make up a story about it.
He can't do anything like that.
He has to rely on this.
Hey, we've got to be above this.
You've got to be above it.
Don't fall for the globalists' tricks.
And then when the situation is the opposite, it's let's get all immigrants out of the country.
They're just jealous of beautiful white people.
jordan holmes
They're so illegal and they're amazing.
dan friesen
If you understand that difference, it goes a long way towards understanding the way that Alex builds his content and how he hides the true character of what he does, what he believes, and what he wants his audience to.
I mean, I would assume he wants them to give.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Fucking vitriol that will get people killed that I can think of.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm not sure I take a whole lot of solace in bilking racists out of money as I'm like, hey, it's fine.
jordan holmes
Nah, I don't take any solace.
dan friesen
Because then that money is getting centralized.
jordan holmes
I don't take any solace in that.
dan friesen
So this was really bad.
It's bad, but it was really illuminating to go through this again and really have the hindsight of going through the Kate Steinle situation and going through The Charleston shooting with Alex's coverage to be able to compare these things to.
And I think that when you do look at those sorts of situations, you start to see things in a more robust way.
And it's tragic.
It's awful.
The real life situation.
And it's tragic and awful the way Alex behaves.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Now, to make things into a farce, here's what Alex does with the rest of the show.
alex jones
All right, let me plug for this hour, then we'll come back and take your calls ahead of a special- For the hour?
You know, the guy that did the take on my wear my sunglasses at night?
Well, on the COVID-19, excellent piece.
He's got a new piece.
He'll be premiering here with us today as well.
dan friesen
So, he's cheating on Carpe Donctum, and he's found a new meme guy.
There's a guy who did a cover of Corey Hart's I Wear My Sunglasses at Night, but about wearing a mask?
jordan holmes
Cool.
We're doing musical comedy now.
That's what we're doing.
We're doing shitty right-wing Weird Al.
Great.
dan friesen
It only goes for half an hour because there is zero chemistry between these two dudes.
Alex doesn't get, or I think he might get that the dude is trying to do some bits, but Alex can't keep up with him.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's really bad.
So, like I told you earlier, before he gets to this stupid interview with his dumb, dumb meme guy...
Alex has a specific prediction about the attempt to kill Trump.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And so mark this down, and when this doesn't happen, Alex will pretend he never said it.
alex jones
And I think, yeah, that's how they'll get Trump.
unidentified
Isn't.
Isn't.
alex jones
Improvised explosive devices that have already been buried in hundreds of spots months ago.
With operatives inside construction crews on normal construction routes.
The Secret Service should, I think you probably already thought of this, route the president around any recent construction sites the last six months.
I'm serious.
Obviously, they've got decoy helicopters and a lot of other things, but I don't say this to be dramatic, folks.
They're going to try to kill Trump.
dan friesen
Okay.
Seems a little dramatic.
jordan holmes
Decoy helicopters, huh?
dan friesen
And we got...
A bunch of landmines at construction sites.
Over the last couple months, we've been burying all these IEDs around.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why wouldn't we?
dan friesen
Why wouldn't they just put one?
jordan holmes
Don't worry about it.
Because you don't want to...
Look, you've got to have some flavor.
Of course, if you put hundreds of IEDs around, the only person who will be affected by those is Trump.
Everybody knows that.
dan friesen
I honestly think if you have the ability to coordinate multiple IEDs being buried at active construction sites...
It doesn't seem like you need to go through this much trouble.
jordan holmes
No, it's just not that hard.
You know, keep it simple, stupid, really does apply to assassinations as well.
dan friesen
I really feel like Alex Jones, just like, his brain just comes up with Rube Goldberg-type schemes.
Yeah, of course.
Maybe he shouldn't have...
jordan holmes
Okay, so what's going to happen is one of those decoy helicopters is going to create just enough wind to start a chain reaction of dominoes that are going to gradually get bigger.
Have you ever seen the ones that start real small and then they get all the way up to the big ones?
dan friesen
You know what I think happened?
I think that when Alex was stuck under that house that was getting fumigated, the only thing he had down there was a game of mousetrap.
He just got real fucked up on those fumes.
jordan holmes
It was an improvised entertainment device at that point.
dan friesen
Oh!
So, now we get to this meme dork.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And his name is Media Bear.
Get the fuck out of here.
jordan holmes
Why is my life this?
dan friesen
Why is my life this?
What a rollercoaster this episode is.
I just want to die.
jordan holmes
I just want to die.
dan friesen
Yep.
So...
This is really interesting because there is no way I believe that Alex wrote this intro.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
This is not at all in his normal patois.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
This is absolutely, this guy's scripted.
He's like, here's what you say to introduce me.
alex jones
Well, rarely does an adaptation on a cover surpass the original, but I have to say, Sunglasses at Night, song by Canadian singer Corey Hart, has been eclipsed by Media Bear.
Our next guest is an example of dutiful...
Dutiful.
dan friesen
That is a PR.
Get the fuck out of here.
It almost feels like he has a gun to his head.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
I'm surprised he made it through dutiful.
dan friesen
Also, by the way, not hard to outdo Corey Hart's I wear my sunglasses at night.
jordan holmes
Hey, come on.
That's a classic.
Everyone sings that song on purpose.
alex jones
Not very good.
dan friesen
So they talk about this meme, this video that he's got.
I don't really give a shit.
But Alex keeps trying to get into substance with him.
It's really sad.
alex jones
Well, they're in the news saying gunshot wounds, car wrecks, mountain climbing accidents.
Everything is COVID.
unidentified
Good luck finding flu statistics for this year.
alex jones
Well, they admit there's no flu deaths.
It's all been moved over to this column.
So again...
dan friesen
That's not true.
Also, you know what?
I'd like to correct Media Bear.
When he says, good luck finding flu statistics, what he should be saying is, I don't know how to find them.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
Because that's really what he's expressing.
I found them.
They're very easy to find.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
jordan holmes
Where'd you find them?
dan friesen
Just by looking for them.
It took a very short amount of time compared to other things I look into.
jordan holmes
Fair.
dan friesen
Fucking idiot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I understand.
He's a troll.
Like, you go to his YouTube page, and in his about, it says, shit poster.
Like, I'm not gonna take him too seriously, but it's like, come on, man.
Alex, you should know better.
But, whatever.
jordan holmes
Why aren't people answering questions that we totally know the answers to, but I would have to Google search them first?
dan friesen
Go fuck yourself, media bear.
Enjoy, enjoy.
jordan holmes
Media bear, get the fuck out of my life!
dan friesen
You know what time it is for you?
I'll give you a clue.
It's a fucking Sugar Ray album's title, and it's 1459.
Your 15 minutes is over, and it barely even started.
I made a fucking dumb, right-wing Corey Hart cover.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
You're having too much ska fun right now.
dan friesen
I don't know if Sugar Ray was ska.
jordan holmes
No, I meant that in the larger sense of ska fun.
dan friesen
Oh, ska fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I forgot that I coined that phrase earlier.
So, Media Bear's a bit of a jokester.
unidentified
Yeah.
Sure.
dan friesen
So he's wearing a mask throughout the entire interview, and Alex starts wearing a mask to sort of play along.
So before this, in the commercial break, as they were going out to commercial, Media Bear decided to start doing a bit.
Where a contact tracer showed up at his house to tell him that he had come in contact with someone who tested positive.
But Alex didn't know what was going on, so they rushed to break.
We got a set piece.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
It was a disaster.
It did not go well.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And so now they try to revisit it after the break.
Well, you know, I'm glad that you mentioned that.
unidentified
Before the last break, I had a contact tracer knock on my door.
dan friesen
I saw that happen.
alex jones
I'm a hero.
unidentified
Yeah, they, um, it's...
alex jones
I'm just busy being a hero right now.
Oh, I'm a hero!
unidentified
Oh!
you Thank you.
Thank you.
jordan holmes
This is great content, by the way.
unidentified
I love it.
dan friesen
You're doing your part, Alex.
You really are.
alex jones
Contact Tracer.
I'm going to take this off real quick.
Sorry, I'm exposing everyone.
Emergency.
Biological weapon release.
Biological weapon release.
Humanoid DNA.
dan friesen
In the annals of giving improv partners, like scene partners that you really want to have who will make you look good, we're talking about, you know, like a Paul F. Tompkins.
jordan holmes
Phil Hartman, Paul F. Tompkins.
We're talking about the glue guys.
We're talking about the guys who can really set them up for you to knock them down.
dan friesen
Alex Jones on that list for sure.
jordan holmes
I can't think of anybody who's taken a Stage 1 Second City class and hasn't had that guy in their class.
Like, oh, I got this voucher from my business because they said I wasn't a very good public speaker and I'm the funniest guy in the office.
dan friesen
It's the Michael Scott kind of thing in the office.
Brutal.
I almost can't think of things that are like, what is defining?
jordan holmes
Viscerally.
dan friesen
Like, the exact feeling of no chemistry.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's that.
unidentified
It's just like, these two...
dan friesen
I feel like Media Bear doesn't like Alex.
I feel like Alex doesn't like him.
It's just trash.
jordan holmes
There's Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman, and then there's that.
dan friesen
There's also a farce to it, like I said, in that, like, first of all...
But there's giant stuff going on that's pretty important.
unidentified
And Alex is spending a half hour talking to this dick about a meme.
dan friesen
And then he hangs up on him.
I think it probably ended early.
And he goes to calls, and most of these calls are stupid.
But there is one, and it's our last clip of the episode.
And this caller thinks that the best thing Trump can do is rehire Flynn.
Michael Flynn will piss people off.
jordan holmes
That will piss people off.
That's true.
dan friesen
Yeah, and then Alex's response to that is pretty telling.
unidentified
And a lot of things that really get to him is like with Flynn.
Who cares what's going on with the corrupt judge and all that other crap?
Hire him back immediately.
It would have been a role.
Give him a title.
alex jones
No, I agree.
Hire Flynn back and make him chief of staff and then just bring in the whole military.
dan friesen
Exactly.
alex jones
It's not the military.
It's perfect.
But let me tell you, Trump brings in the military.
They're loyal to America.
They're going to do what they're told.
The bureaucrats and the lawyers out.
unidentified
Exactly.
Get away all the little corrupt pieces of social trash that we don't need in that environment.
dan friesen
So, Alex and this caller are just sort of commiserating about how their ideal situation is...
jordan holmes
Military coup.
No big deal.
dan friesen
Kicking all the bureaucrats out and replacing them with military people that will follow Trump's orders.
jordan holmes
Historically speaking, that's worked out great.
dan friesen
Alex loves the Republic.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
This guy is the worst.
jordan holmes
This guy is the fucking worst.
This is the worst.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Real bummed out.
This is a real bummer.
dan friesen
So, you know, that's been the week.
I really feel incomplete about this a little bit, and I think the reason is because the circumstances are ongoing with the situation in Minneapolis.
And, like, even as we're recording now, things are probably happening that are relevant.
And by tomorrow, Alex will have his Friday show that will be going over stuff.
And it'll feel very immediate, but we can't get to it until Monday.
And so part of me was honestly considering holding off on this until Monday.
But ultimately, I just thought, like, we gotta take care of this.
Lest we get way behind and ignore a lot of Alex's horrible bullshit.
jordan holmes
Horrible, horrible bullshit.
dan friesen
This guy is, I mean, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know what to say.
I don't know what to say sometimes, but...
unidentified
I guess tragedy?
dan friesen
Plus time.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Minus time.
Equals this.
jordan holmes
Equals that.
dan friesen
I would say, you know, the feeling that I have is very similar to feelings that I have had a number of times.
Kind of like just an overwhelming sense of like...
It's amazing that we've let this get to this point.
I mean, not just the whole world, even though that does apply to that.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But even specifically with Alex, it's so amazing to me that he hasn't just blown up already.
There hasn't been the end of his career already.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's fascinating.
jordan holmes
Well, I think it's...
I mean, the worst thing I had a bit all the way back in 2015 about...
I thought it was very funny, and it turned out to be absolutely true, but it was the idea of, like, it used to be one scandal would take you down, but the trick is, if you do a new one every day, nobody can catch up to you.
And it seems like Alex has that kind of thing going on for him, too, where it's like...
Sure, he committed a fucking felony two weeks ago, but he's already on some new bullshit.
I don't have time to go back and deal with that.
dan friesen
Yeah, but a lot of that stuff will end up catching up with him.
jordan holmes
You hope.
dan friesen
I think.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
If he gets his military dictatorship, who the fuck knows?
dan friesen
That's a good point.
I'm at catch-up to Alex, not so much Trump.
jordan holmes
No, that's what I'm saying about Alex, too.
If Trump gets his military dictatorship, who knows what'll catch up to him.
dan friesen
Maybe, perhaps.
I probably should have mentioned this at the beginning of the episode, but I forgot because of issues.
But I think it would be important for us to point out this.
There was a resolution in his bankruptcy case that we brought up, and it turns out that the court ruled that Alex was entitled to summary judgment.
In dismissing the involuntary bankruptcy.
And the reason for that, given in this, is that the amount that he owes his ex-wife, which is about $786,000, according to what the claims are, is less than the amount that is the value of the property that is backing That amount that he owes her.
So it's secured by this property that is worth more than that amount.
And for that reason, you can't force someone into involuntary bankruptcy because what's securing the debt could cover that.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
So he's got to sell the house.
dan friesen
Probably.
And maybe that's why he's been talking about selling the house to begin with.
I'm not entirely sure.
But from my reading of this and from what I can understand, there isn't so much a contesting of the amount.
It's just that he can't be forced into involuntary bankruptcy for an amount that his property that is backing it is greater than.
So I wanted to point that out because we have brought that case up in the past and speculated about it a little bit.
And so it would be wrong of us not to point that out.
That's why I wanted to bring it up at the beginning of the episode because I wanted to make – We'll see.
unidentified
Anyway.
jordan holmes
We don't have any ads for other podcasts.
dan friesen
No, that's true.
jordan holmes
Most people don't turn it off at that point.
dan friesen
Fingers crossed.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, we'll be back.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
We have downloads.
And if you can, please donate to the Minneapolis funds for bail and everything of the sort.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZXClark.
My go-to guy for medical advice is the Red Rocker, Sammy Hagar.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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