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May 15, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#433: May 12-13, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss a couple days of this week on The Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex fails in a valiant attempt to make a point, possibly warns the world of a fake alien invasion, and gets a little too specific about what movie he pretends he was offered a starring role in.

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alex jones
23:47
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dan friesen
01:14:10
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jordan holmes
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unidentified
I have great respect for Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
I love your world.
jordan holmes
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledgefight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question.
dan friesen
What up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot, I guess, is I've been going back and listening to a little bit of old stuff that I haven't listened to in a long time.
jordan holmes
What kind of old stuff?
dan friesen
Old music.
There's stuff like Black Star, you know, Mos Def and Talib Kweli's album.
jordan holmes
Oh, I know.
dan friesen
And High Tech and Kweli, the Reflection Eternal album.
jordan holmes
That one's great!
dan friesen
Those two albums are things that I listened to almost non-stop when I was, you know...
20. Because of that, they got so played out that I couldn't listen to them.
I just listened to it so much.
It's been the better part of a decade probably since I've put one of those albums on.
And the other day I was exercising and I was like, I wonder if this is as good as I remember.
And a lot of it is.
That distance of not having listened to it in a long time made me able to listen to it again.
I appreciated that.
It was kind of nice.
jordan holmes
Last year I listened to Black on Both Sides for the first time in like 10 years and I was like, holy shit, this is so good!
dan friesen
Yeah, it's good.
It's nice to have those moments where I can go back a little bit to something that maybe I couldn't enjoy as much as I originally did because of overexposure to it.
So that was nice.
jordan holmes
How about you?
My bright spot is that the weather in Chicago is for the first time in a goddamn nearly nine months.
Pretty nice out.
It's pretty nice.
Took a bunch of walks today.
It's great, and then because we live in a cave underground, you come back and it's nice and cool inside.
It's fantastic.
dan friesen
That is pretty nice.
unidentified
That's perfect.
dan friesen
Well, I'm glad you're enjoying that.
I hope people don't enjoy it too much, though.
jordan holmes
I'll get bored with it tomorrow.
dan friesen
No, I mean, I hope they don't enjoy it too much in terms of just going around and everybody ending up at the park.
jordan holmes
What is this, Wisconsin?
unidentified
Come on now.
dan friesen
Sneezing on each other.
So that's good.
That's fun.
Nice bright spots.
Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to do.
We're going to be talking about May 12th and 13th, 2020.
jordan holmes
I'm Dan, this is 2020.
dan friesen
That would be Tuesday and Wednesday of this week.
I wanted to throw Thursday in, but it was impossible because this episode infuriated the shit out of me.
I'm going to give you two pieces of spoiler in advance for what will come up on this episode.
One is another round of my favorite game, which is Alex...
Says he's going to prove something.
unidentified
Alright.
dan friesen
And then tries to.
jordan holmes
You love it.
dan friesen
I love when he does that.
It's always disappointing.
I never should get my hopes up.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Ever.
dan friesen
But that happens.
And then Alex makes a reveal of one of the biggest fucking lies.
And one of the funniest lies I think I've ever heard him tell.
Alright.
There's no way that I could tease it and it not live up to being one of the most absurd things you could ever imagine.
jordan holmes
All right.
You've over-teased things in the past.
dan friesen
And they've always paid off.
jordan holmes
Never.
They have always paid off.
dan friesen
So we're going to get down to business on that.
But before we do, you've got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show and to check in with the Year of the Seltzer.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
So first, Kevin H., thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Kevin H. Next, Sirius, and it's spelled S-E-R.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Sirius.
dan friesen
Wise.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
Get out of here.
dan friesen
Next, Andy.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Andy.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Cade.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Cade.
dan friesen
Thank you, Cade.
Next, Sam.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Sam.
dan friesen
Thanks, Sam.
Next.
Blurg of the Month.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Blurg of the Month.
dan friesen
Thank you.
jordan holmes
Subscribes to you one year.
dan friesen
It was pretty good.
Thanks.
And then thank you to a couple folks who signed up on an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So, Drew L., thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And this one, I'm not sure if it's nips or knips.
K-N-I-P-P-S.
jordan holmes
Ooh.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Drew L., and thank you so much, Knips.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoyed the show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show, we would appreciate it, or if you'd like to take that generosity and funnel it towards a local charity that helps people in need in your area, that would be wonderful.
jordan holmes
We would...
Appreciate either.
dan friesen
Yes.
So, Jordan, here the seltzer marches on.
We are in week four now.
unidentified
Week four.
jordan holmes
Week four.
dan friesen
Coming in on the end of what you would describe as the first month.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We are officially at 65 seltzers down.
And this week, I made a discovery of something I remember liking from my childhood or younger years.
And that was Canadian.
Clearly Canadian.
jordan holmes
Clearly Canadian.
Yes, we purchased it together.
Yes, I recall.
dan friesen
And I gotta say, Never have I found a more rangy beast than Clearly Canadian.
jordan holmes
Ah, you haven't had Strangely Australian yet.
dan friesen
No, that's true.
That is coming up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
dan friesen
So I found three varieties.
We have the Country Raspberry, Wild Cherry, Mountain Blackberry.
Country Raspberry, pretty good.
Coming in at a 69 out of 100.
I knew something was up because I looked at the bottle of the Clearly Canadian and it said...
Sparkling water beverage.
unidentified
Would you need to say water beverage?
dan friesen
I don't know what you're doing anymore.
What I didn't realize is that clearly Canadian definitely has like sweetening.
There's sugar in it or something.
But the country raspberry was tolerable.
And same with the mountain blackberry.
It was alright.
Wild cherry, there was something wrong with that.
jordan holmes
There was something wrong with it.
dan friesen
It was so bad.
jordan holmes
The cherry was too wild?
dan friesen
It was a raucous cherry.
That fellow's coming in at 22. Ooh, 22 is bad.
I had a viscerally negative reaction to it.
jordan holmes
What, did you break out in Hives?
dan friesen
I might have, yeah.
I started listening to the Hives.
jordan holmes
Oh, get the fuck out.
dan friesen
Better than I remember.
jordan holmes
That's worse.
dan friesen
I don't even remember what their song was.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
But yeah, so clearly Canadian.
It's not like they're incapable of something fine, because their country raspberry was pretty good.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But that wild cherry, you've got to get rid of that flavor.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right.
Letter-writing campaign on par with Klondike donut bars.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
We've got to get in there.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
So this has been the Year of the Seltzer.
We'll check back in next time and find out what we find out.
jordan holmes
Let's do it.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, we've got this May 12th and 13th episode to go over.
It's going to be a bumpy ride, and here is an Out of Context drop from today's show.
alex jones
Last week.
Around the table, we all joined hands.
My wife and Rex was over visiting.
He's already moved out.
We all joined hands and prayed for Rush Limbaugh.
God, we don't need to lose him.
dan friesen
Man.
jordan holmes
Can you imagine feeling like, oh man, we gotta direct our spiritual energy towards saving Rush Limbaugh.
dan friesen
It'd be such a weird feeling to be around the dinner table and just like, you know, dear Heavenly Father.
Look after Rush Limbaugh.
jordan holmes
Excuse me, hold on one second.
What was that, Dad?
dan friesen
I guess it's a little less surreal because Alex is in the same field as him.
So it's kind of like they're contemporaries or something.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But still, being like Alex's son sitting here praying for Rush Limbaugh is fucking weird.
jordan holmes
Here's my prayer for Rush Limbaugh.
Lord, I remain totally neutral, and whatever you decide to do to him, you know, that's on you.
dan friesen
Do what you're gonna do.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, we start off the show, and there's a bit of random nonsense at the beginning of this.
And Alex is talking about how, like, if you see through the globalist's plan, you understand it really easily.
But most people don't see through it like himself.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And then he has a very strained metaphor that he tries to make.
alex jones
But for anyone that actually studies the globalist and how they operate, and what their endgame is, and what makes them tick, and what their philosophy and ethos is...
This is like shooting fish in a barrel.
It's like 2 plus 2 equals 4. It's absolutely elementary, my dear Watson.
But you've got to have the courage to admit what's coming at you.
And I liken it as an allegory or an analogy.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
To most big comets and asteroids.
That end up being found aren't found by the big radio telescopes.
They're not found by the big observatories.
Most of them are found by the millions of amateur astronomers that have high-powered equipment now, thanks to capitalism.
dan friesen
So that probably sounds pretty good to Alex.
unidentified
Is that a parable?
dan friesen
I don't know.
unidentified
We'll get to...
dan friesen
There is an extended metaphor he's trying to make, but he gets really distracted because he starts talking about the capitalism allowing amateur astronomers and shit.
unidentified
Sure, why?
dan friesen
But what he's saying isn't true.
Amateur astronomers do not discover most of the near-Earth objects that are found each year, and in fact, they barely even make a dent in the tally.
That's why it's always a big story when an amateur does discover one, which gets a lot of press and leads people like Alex to assume that this must be always the case.
If professionals at the big telescopes were finding comets all the time, how come I only read headlines about amateurs finding them?
You can easily see how that selection bias that Alex's brain uses to land on a narrative, and that's what's going on.
He doesn't do any research on the topic.
He decides what he's just thought up was true.
And then he reports it to his audience as fact.
It's very sloppy work.
jordan holmes
The CEO of McDonald's starts selecting.
in burgers one day, everybody's going to be like, holy shit, motherfucker!
But, you know, the day-to-day people who work there are like, shut up and do your fucking job.
dan friesen
One of the things that makes headlines is the anomaly, the case that is not like the others, but if you only see headlines that are pointing out the anomaly, you'll think the anomaly is the normal thing.
Exactly.
unidentified
And a lot of this perception that amateurs find more than the professionals, it's probably partially due to the fact that, like, Hale-Bopp was found by amateurs.
dan friesen
That high-profile nature of that story could have easily left people with a different perception According to a 2015 paper co-written by members of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, the Minor Planet Center, and the Universities of Hawaii and Helsinki, quote, Of the 10,044 discovered near-Earth objects were found by the amateur community.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It's not what Alex thinks.
jordan holmes
All right.
It's a minority majority.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I understand.
dan friesen
Sure.
Compared to me, they discover more.
That's true.
jordan holmes
See?
There you go!
Fair enough.
dan friesen
According to NASA, quote...
While the NASA-supported professional astronomers discover the vast majority of near-Earth asteroids, amateur astronomers provide many of the follow-up observations needed to pinpoint the orbits and predict the future motions of the asteroids.
Once a new near-Earth asteroid is discovered, the efficiency with which amateurs provide these follow-up observations allows larger professional telescope facilities to continue scanning the skies for more new discoveries.
There is that cool professional amateur collaboration that does go on in the field of watching the skies, but it's very, very clear that what Alex is saying is not true.
It feels true to him, though, because he never reads past a headline about the many discoveries that are made, and he never reads headlines about the discoveries that are made by scientists and professionals at the labs because they don't make headlines.
jordan holmes
No, they're just taking credit for all that.
What's an amateur other than, you know, like...
unidentified
Who's to say the people at NASA aren't finding these on their off hours?
jordan holmes
That's still technically amateur.
See, there you go.
dan friesen
I don't know about that.
So I think the larger point that he's trying to make is that he's the amateur astronomer who sees the metaphorical comet heading towards us, which is, of course, the globalist's evil plan.
That's the metaphor that he's trying to make.
jordan holmes
As far as I follow.
dan friesen
And then, like, the professionals at NASA are like the media or something.
You know, basically, that's the broad stroke of what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I say I think that's the point because Alex really doesn't complete the metaphor yet.
Instead, he gets lost in thought thinking about the stars.
And in the process, he makes an admission that I find remarkable.
alex jones
Back in 1993, I had to go down to a university warehouse and pay $25,000 for a 12-inch refractor telescope that had just come out that had the McDonald Observatory technology in it.
that it cost tens of millions of dollars, but now it was miniaturized.
unidentified
And I could aim it at Jupiter, aim it at Saturn, aim it at Uniris, aim it at Pluto, aim it at Venus, aim it at Mars.
alex jones
Name five more planets.
I believe some of that.
jordan holmes
I like that.
That's a cute little story.
dan friesen
It's cute, except for some details.
Alex Jones was not Alex Jones in 1993.
He wasn't even on the radio until 1995, and yet somehow he was able to buy a $25,000 telescope at that point in his life.
jordan holmes
As dad worked on the CIA's dentist.
dan friesen
Astronomy isn't even something that I would consider a big interest of Alex's based on everything I've heard from his show.
It's not like he talks about it frequently as a hobby.
He does talk about going to the stars a lot, but...
It's not like...
jordan holmes
You gotta look for where you're going first, Dan.
unidentified
I suppose so.
jordan holmes
He looks at the stars all the time.
dan friesen
This should give you some sense of the kind of money Alex comes from.
Because if Alex bought a $25,000 telescope back then, it wasn't because he was making loads of cash.
He's talked about his earlier jobs, and there were things like assisting at a vet clinic and carpet cleaning.
By the way, that $25,000 in 1993 would be over $44,000 today adjusted for inflation.
So that should give you some idea of the type of purchase he's talking about on air.
That's basically a year's salary at any of the jobs he's claiming to have had prior to getting into radio.
jordan holmes
Well, I remember when I was around that age and my dad helped me get a loan for my first car that cost $2,500 that...
Wasn't really negotiated well, so I think it's a very similar experience for many people to have your dad just buy you a telescope for 25 grand.
dan friesen
I don't think so.
jordan holmes
I think that's normal.
dan friesen
So I would say that's pretty clear that this is either a lie or an indication that Alex's parents were super rich and he basically just got whatever he wanted growing up.
jordan holmes
Pretty much.
dan friesen
The specifics of this story lead me to suspect the latter, since he knows names of things.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
There's a lot of specifics to that story he's telling, and it looks bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not good.
dan friesen
Makes me think it's more true.
Because why else would you tell the story about being before your career as a successful person?
jordan holmes
I pulled myself up by my bootstrap shirt.
Were you selling drugs?
unidentified
Were you stealing laughing gas for your dad's clinic?
jordan holmes
That would be great.
I would appreciate that more.
dan friesen
So Alex continues this metaphor a little bit, and what it ends up becoming is sort of this fantasy where...
Again, I think those analogs that I was saying, like he's the amateur astronomer, that kind of thing, this is where he sort of tells a story about it.
And I think that there is...
This is kind of sad.
alex jones
The establishment isn't really looking.
They're just posing like they're scientifically curious.
dan friesen
He's talking about the people in the telescopes.
They're not really looking because the amateurs find everything.
alex jones
And imagine...
You see, coming out of the Kuiper Belt, out past Pluto, a tenth planet, a twentieth planet, a hundredth planet.
There's hundreds of them out there now they've scanned.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
And it's coming in.
jordan holmes
Pluto's not even a planet anymore, bro.
alex jones
I'm an amateur astronomer, and I've taken photographs of this thing entering our solar system.
It's now past Pluto.
It's coming in at a million miles an hour.
And it's going to get here in six months.
And you go tell your local news, you tell the FBI, you tell the local astronomer club, and they laugh at you.
But more people begin to aim their telescopes up at the sky, and they pick it up, and they see it coming in.
And then you ask the question, how did all the government and industry observatories not see this?
How did the CIA not see this?
How did NASA not see this?
And then you come to the realization, oh my God.
They know this planet's coming in to our solar system.
Why did they make the decision not to tell us?
And then you come up with the realization with the mathematicians that it's going to hit Earth.
jordan holmes
So you do need professionals?
alex jones
They don't want us to panic.
If we panic, we can put spacecraft out there and go out and meet it with nuclear weapons and blow it up.
jordan holmes
This is the plot of the fifth element.
alex jones
They want humanity to die.
And then you look at that planet a little bit closer, and you notice it's got an ion trail behind it.
jordan holmes
It's the fifth element.
alex jones
It's got a propulsion system behind it, and it's not a planet.
jordan holmes
Alex, you just watched the fifth element.
alex jones
It's aimed at Earth to kill us.
It's an alien attack.
unidentified
And then you look at your leaders and you say, Where's Mila?
alex jones
Why are you doing this?
Now, that's an allegory.
The Jones believes that 10 planets are going to kill the Earth and aliens run it.
No, I don't believe that.
dan friesen
I think that he hoped someone would make that headline.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally, totally.
dan friesen
I want to applaud Alex, though, because, I mean, on some level, that's a coherent metaphor for what he's trying to say.
He usually isn't capable of that.
Right.
unidentified
Because all of it more or less tracks, like, to the point that he's trying to make.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
The planet that's coming in is the globalist planet.
dan friesen
He's the amateur astronomer who finds it, talks about it.
He talks about it.
The media makes fun of him because they're in on it.
jordan holmes
No, I get it.
dan friesen
The other people who pick up and start looking at the planet are the people who he's indoctrinated into his cult and the conspiracy theory followers that he has.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
The planet having a motor on it is whatever.
jordan holmes
That's the fifth element.
dan friesen
It's a false flag.
jordan holmes
It's the fifth element.
unidentified
I don't care where it comes from or anything like that.
jordan holmes
No, I understand.
It does track.
dan friesen
It makes sense.
jordan holmes
It does.
dan friesen
And Alex usually is not capable of that.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
I applaud him.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's faint praise, but in terms of it, I get what you're saying.
He usually gets so lost, and Grant, he did get lost in that a little bit, but he usually falls completely off track before he's able to make something kind of make sense.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So I like that.
jordan holmes
Hey, even a pitcher can bat a 085, you know?
Somebody can hit a ball every now and again.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, unfortunately, even if the metaphor holds, there's some holes in his thinking.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
For instance, what if you're an amateur astronomer and you find an asteroid you insist is new, and of course it's on its way to hit Earth?
And when you tell the professionals about it, they don't take you seriously because they've known about this asteroid that you think you've discovered, and the calculations you made about its orbit are wrong.
I imagine you might respond to that by lashing out and saying that they're just trying to cover up your work, but it's also possible that you did a bad job of seeking asteroids, and they're just not impressed with what you bring to the table.
Or, what if you tell astronomers that an asteroid you found is secretly an alien attack, as evidenced by some weird engine you imagine you found, and then they take a look at your evidence and tell you that you're mistaken?
That's a rock formation, and you think it's a jet engine, and your imagination is fun, but you're just making things up.
jordan holmes
I think you're being judgmental.
dan friesen
I'm extending his metaphor.
I'm jumping into his metaphor and playing around with it is what I'm doing.
jordan holmes
I can see what's going on here.
dan friesen
I can't usually do that because his metaphors make no sense.
But in this case, I can actually engage with it a little bit, and I think that...
I think even in the hypothetical realm that he's talking about, you can clearly see how, like, oh, no, you didn't find an asteroid.
Nah, nah.
You just think this is an asteroid because you don't understand astrology.
jordan holmes
Gary Oldman isn't coming for you, man.
dan friesen
$25,000 telescopes will not give you an understanding of space.
You still need to learn.
jordan holmes
I don't know if that's true.
I don't know if that's true.
What if I just believe?
dan friesen
Maybe.
So, in this next clip, Alex teases that he's got some inside baseball about Trump coming up.
alex jones
You know, I thought about talking about the president and what really goes on in the White House from my sources to give you a bird's eye view.
We're a fly-on-the-wall view into just how interesting Trump is.
jordan holmes
He watches TV and eats junk food.
Shut up, asshole.
alex jones
I don't even know if I can do it justice.
Because it's actually, a lot of it's critical of the president, but then a lot of it's positive of the president.
You know what?
Last segment of this hour, remind me to do it, guys.
I'll tell you what's really going on with Trump.
It's very, very sad.
It's very, very pathetic.
It's also very, very empowering and real.
dan friesen
Globalists are poisoning his Diet Cokes.
jordan holmes
Yep, that sounds about right.
dan friesen
I don't think he actually does get back to this, because I don't know what he's talking about.
Are you sure?
Having listened to the episode, I don't know what the reveal is there.
I think someone forgot to remind him, or he doesn't like it when people remind him of things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that could be.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, we get to Alex talking about how cool it is to drive fast.
But, he's not telling this story to sound cool, because sounding cool is uncool.
This is a guy who's obsessed with coolness.
alex jones
I don't drive fast anymore.
unidentified
But I have had a car up to almost 200 miles an hour.
alex jones
It's fun.
You just gotta get on a stretch that nobody's on.
Like I-30 out here.
Oh my gosh.
Midnight out there.
There's not a damn car.
Three, four lanes.
Absolutely smooth.
I was one about 150 a while back.
And there's one hump about 20 miles south of Austin.
And the car just goes...
Like Duke's a hazard, man.
Duke's a hazard.
Alright, let's stop right there.
jordan holmes
This is a news show.
alex jones
I don't...
Don't tell these stories to act cool, because acting cool is the most uncool thing there is.
dan friesen
Hell yeah, man.
jordan holmes
I think that's the most uncool thing there is.
dan friesen
So he's not telling stories to look cool, because trying to look cool is the most uncool thing.
So in essence, he is trying to look cool by saying that he's not telling stories to look cool.
This is quite a paradox.
Also, yeah, man, back when I was like 18, I used to love driving over big humps really fast.
jordan holmes
Alex is 46. That's a pretty cool story.
dan friesen
He's a fucking adult.
So anyway, this is bridging two things.
It's like they're driving really fast and like, ah, you know, I'm not telling cool stories.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
That's one side of it.
But the other side of it that is the cool stories is Alex talking about meeting all these famous people, right?
He doesn't care about meeting famous people.
jordan holmes
Why would you?
dan friesen
And so apparently one of them...
jordan holmes
The most famous thing you can do is be not famous, Dan.
dan friesen
Indeed.
So one of these famous people that Alex has had interactions with may have gotten in trouble for interacting with Alex.
alex jones
I didn't know they tried to indict Mark Cuban for meeting with me.
It came out in the New York Times later.
Mark Cuban released the emails of the U.S. attorney, Southern District, threatening to arrest him.
If he put one of my films in movie theaters.
Mark Cuban had already not done the deal.
dan friesen
So this is about how Mark Cuban owned a company that was in talks to distribute the 9-11 film Loose Change.
This documentary, in quotes, was not created by Alex.
It was the work primarily of Jason Burmess and Dylan Avery, released in 2005.
The film was considered what they called a living document, which is code for things in it were constantly shown to be wrong, so they had to keep re-editing the film to make...
The super embarrassing stuff not be in it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a smart move.
dan friesen
In 2007, the third version came out called Loose Change Final Cut.
By this point, it was pretty popular property in the conspiracy theory world, and Alex signed on as an executive producer for the Final Cut version.
jordan holmes
Did they get rid of Harrison Ford's dubbing on that one?
dan friesen
No.
They're still in there.
Actually, apparently, from one of the things I read, Charlie Sheen was...
The idea was he was going to narrate it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Why not?
At that time, he had some...
Of a career to worry about.
So, Jason Burmus would go on to be one of Alex's co-hosts on InfoWars in those earlier days.
And he even had a short-lived show called The InfoWarrior.
But from everything I can tell, his work on Loose Change predates all of that.
Dylan Avery, incidentally, has gone on to continue working in movies in the industry and not on conspiracy documentaries.
Probably because that was never his goal to begin with.
At the age of 18, Dylan Avery came upon a publication called The Terror Timeline, which was put together by a researcher named Paul Thompson.
This is a collection of articles that trace the roots of Al-Qaeda, Middle East politics, and the forces that led up to 9-11.
Many of the prominent early 9-11 truthers used inconsistencies that they found in these articles to demonstrate their conspiracy theories.
Avery was inspired by this book to make a movie.
According to an article in Slate, this was, quote, about a group of three friends who discovered a government cover-up.
Essentially, he was going to make a fiction movie about people discovering that the government did 9-11, but he realized that was too expensive, so he made a documentary about the government doing 9-11 instead.
jordan holmes
Okay, so he just made the Blair Witch Project.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he was into it at the time.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He was into the conspiracies at the time.
jordan holmes
I'm sure the people who made the Blair Witch Project were pretty into the Blair Witch Project.
dan friesen
Sure.
So this article in Slate from 2011 was written by a guy named Jeremy Stahl, who actually spoke to Avery for it.
From the article, quote, He still says he supports the movement, but he also acknowledges getting, quote, sucked in deeper than he should have been into a hardcore mentality that it was almost too easy to get into back then because the war had just started and everybody was just so pissed off.
jordan holmes
Back then.
dan friesen
When he says he still supports the movement, he means that he still has some unanswered questions about 9-11, but that's not what Loose Change was about, primarily.
Dylan Avery was a bright, ambitious youth who channeled his energies into the world of conspiracy, and it's kind of heartening to know that at least to some extent he got out of it.
I found a 2017 interview with him in The Outline, which has some fun lines.
For instance, when the interviewer asks him where he gets his news, part of the answer is, quote, I never did rely on Infowars as a source, but I definitely don't now.
Anyway, it's just kind of funny that the director of the movie that Alex claims is his own, which helped really put Alex on the map as the face of 9-11 truth movement, has moved on from all that and definitely thinks Alex is an idiot.
jordan holmes
I think we all need to grow up someday, Dan.
dan friesen
Sure.
So, one of Mark Cuban's companies was going to distribute loose change.
Unrelatedly, the SEC was investigating Mark Cuban for insider trading.
In the course of that investigation, Cuban released some emails that he'd received from a lawyer at the SEC who was talking some real mad shit about how Cuban was a, quote, anti-American ideologue.
jordan holmes
Alright!
dan friesen
This lawyer definitely sent these emails because of Cuban's almost distributing loose change.
But he had nothing to do with Cuban's insider trading investigation.
He was suspended for two weeks for his behavior and then eventually fired by the SEC for sending more emails to places like the Washington Post and an internal SEC email, which were determined to be inappropriate.
According to a 2012 article in Reuters, this lawyer, Jeffrey Norris, won a federal appeal in his case that he deserved to, quote, a chance to get his job back by presenting medical evidence that those actions won't happen again.
See, he argued that his life situation was chaotic back when he sent those emails, and that he'd been seeing a psychiatrist and the circumstances in his life had improved to the point where it wouldn't be that again.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Business Insider was able to find some internet comments that Norris made around that time of those emails, and it kind of seems like he just particularly hated Mark Cuban, partially because he was a big Mavericks fan.
In one comment, Norris suggests that Cuban threw a recent game against the Warriors for some financial motive.
It partially sounds paranoid and partially like a guy fucking around and just talking shit about Mark Cuban.
It's unclear.
jordan holmes
I kind of like this guy.
I gotta admit, I'm not against this dude.
dan friesen
If it felt like he was a little more in control of what he was doing and he wasn't in a position of being an SEC lawyer, I might be more inclined to enjoy it, but I get what you're saying.
jordan holmes
I mean, I would prefer more SEC lawyers were...
Hatred of Mark Cuban.
I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
As long as it doesn't affect their work.
Whatever.
Anyway, this lawyer had nothing to do with Cuban's SEC insider trading case, but because it helps heighten the myth of Alex Jones, Alex has turned it into proof that the SEC admitted in emails that they were threatening to indict Cuban for distributing Alex's film.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
All that's complete bullshit.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So now, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Remember, I told you at the beginning of this, my tease, that Alex would have my favorite lie.
Mic down for this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is breathtaking.
alex jones
Once you don't want them, they really want you.
It's like, okay.
dan friesen
In Hollywood, that is.
alex jones
Here's a $3 million deal to star in this movie.
It's a space fantasy movie.
unidentified
And you're a space captain.
alex jones
And I remember they told me the movie, and like six years later, I'm in the theater watching this big, huge movie.
And I'm like, wow, it would have been cool to play that guy.
But it's like the most valuable thing in my life, other than my children, and doing the right thing.
Well, it's not most valuable, but for things like that, is that that's a big, giant franchise.
You know, Kurt Russell was in the second one.
I turned it down!
How freaking cool is that, man?
That is like incredibly...
Valuable to me that in the final equation, they were offering me major, huge movies just to join Satan.
dan friesen
So I think you know what he's talking about.
Do you know what movie he's talking about?
jordan holmes
Was he talking about Guardians of the Galaxy?
dan friesen
He has to be.
jordan holmes
He has to be talking about Guardians of the Galaxy.
That's the only one that can make sense.
dan friesen
I consulted his entire filmography, and there's only one movie.
That's a sequel that Kurt Russell wasn't in the original and is a space fantasy movie.
Because, like, Kurt Russell was also in, like, Escape from L.A., but he was in the first one.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
He was in Fast and Furious 7, and after the Fate of the Fallen.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Or Fate of the Furious, whatever.
Right.
But he wasn't, like, that's not a space fantasy movie yet.
jordan holmes
And he was in the first Soldier, but he wasn't in the second Soldier.
dan friesen
It's definitely Guardians of the Galaxy.
jordan holmes
He thinks that he was up for the Chris Pratt role in Guardians of the Galaxy.
unidentified
Alex thinks he's going to be Star-Lord.
jordan holmes
So he thinks that James Gunn was like, we don't even need to, don't audition anyone.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Get me Jones.
All right.
unidentified
Yep.
Wow.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
That's pretty awesome.
jordan holmes
That's a delusion.
dan friesen
That's a delusion.
So the first Guardians of the Galaxy film came out in 2014.
So presumably Alex was given this offer to star six years earlier, which would have been 2008.
Which unfortunately predates the start of pre-production by about four years.
At that point, in 2008, the script for the movie hadn't even begun to be written, so it's pretty weird that Alex would go see a movie and then realize it's the one he was supposed to star in, considering this movie didn't even exist as an idea at the point he's pretending he was offered the starring role.
Fucking idiot.
jordan holmes
I love this.
You know, I got this role to play this billionaire rich playboy.
dan friesen
He makes an iron suit.
jordan holmes
He goes into Iraq or whatever and he gets captured.
I don't know how it ends, but it turned out that guy did alright.
I'll tell you that right now.
dan friesen
They gave it to some drug addict instead of me.
jordan holmes
They offered me Kiss Kiss Bang Bang too.
I'm just saying.
dan friesen
That was going to be Val Kilmer's role though.
So these are the sorts of things that Alex should just keep vague.
Like, it's cool to say that you were offered movie roles.
I still don't believe it, but I'm not going to laugh in your face about it.
When Alec starts throwing around, identifying details like this, the lie is just too egregious.
It's so funny.
unidentified
Just imagine him making that roll.
dan friesen
He doesn't have the range for any of those characters, including Groot.
jordan holmes
He couldn't do it.
I am Groot!
Goddammit, I'm Groot!
dan friesen
Stop improvising.
Also, according to Stylecaster, Chris Pratt only made $1.5 million for the original Guardians movie.
jordan holmes
Wow, he was just coming off Parks and Rec.
He was a beloved cast member.
He wasn't a big star yet.
dan friesen
He was one of the most liked parts of Parks and Rec.
And he'd been in a few movies already.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but he was just a TV guy.
Come on.
Alex's radio.
unidentified
He had a role yelling into a bullhorn in a movie.
dan friesen
Let's get him front and center.
jordan holmes
He's the draw.
He's the only reason people will see this movie.
dan friesen
Get the fuck out of here.
They offered Alex three million, then he said no, so they gave an established actor half.
jordan holmes
See, now this is what I'm talking about when I'm talking about labor issues in this country, Dan.
unidentified
I heard that and I was like, well, we're done.
dan friesen
That's the episode.
*laughter * Just reimagining Guardians of the Galaxy.
jordan holmes
I want it.
dan friesen
I mean, you might think that he could do the Michael Rooker role, but he's actually super complex.
unidentified
No, Michael Rooker is an incredible actor.
dan friesen
But the character's more angry.
jordan holmes
Sure, I can see that.
dan friesen
But there's a complexity to that anger that Alex would be incapable of translating.
jordan holmes
Right.
Who could he be in that movie?
Nobody!
dan friesen
I'm telling you, you can't be Drex!
jordan holmes
No, he can't be Drex.
Gamora?
No, I don't think he could pull that off.
I don't even think he could do the opening crawl scene with Chris Pratt dancing.
I don't think that's a...
He would be distracting as an extra.
dan friesen
Oh, fuck you, Alex.
I didn't think about how he would be in Avengers.
The end game.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here.
Get the fuck out of here.
That universe is way more fun than ours.
dan friesen
Yes, it is.
jordan holmes
In that universe.
dan friesen
That movie would be very different.
Alright, well, we've had our fun.
jordan holmes
Oh, man, no.
I don't think I'm done yet.
I'm just going to taste that for a while.
I'm going to roll that around in my mouth for a little bit.
dan friesen
When times get tough in this episode, imagine Alex with his thick-ass neck in that Chris Pratt's outfit.
unidentified
It's like a Jackson Pollock painting in here!
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex talks about how being evil makes you physically ugly.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And also, not being evil makes you really beautiful.
But he also does...
jordan holmes
But he points out that he's physically ugly, right?
dan friesen
No, but the way he's articulating these things is gross.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Even though what he's trying to say, I think he's saying is like there's inner beauty or something like that.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But he unfortunately can't articulate it any other way.
Like, hey, if there's a woman, her body's bad, but if she's cool, then she's beautiful.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
It's like, oh, man.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
And the idea that you drive an old crappy car and all the rest of it, you got varicose veins on your hips.
That isn't you.
Your connection to God is you, and that's beautiful.
And I see people that have the most wrecked, old, messed up bodies, but they've got God.
Their eyes are beautiful.
I can see their spirit.
They are amazing.
And I see the most beautiful people that don't have God, and their eyes are dead.
And they're not attractive.
It's like a woman that has God is, even their body's not...
That good, it doesn't matter.
They're beautiful.
A woman that serves Satan could be the most beautiful body you ever imagined.
It's like a plastic mannequin.
It's not real.
Speaking of that, I'm not some angel.
I just love justice and freedom.
It's your financial support that breaks the will of the globalist.
dan friesen
So weird.
So weird.
jordan holmes
No, that's totally the relationship that so many men have with women of just that, like, I want that so much and because I can't have it, it must be evil.
dan friesen
It's so awful.
jordan holmes
It's disgusting.
dan friesen
It's not good, but it is interesting how quickly he just is able to turn it.
jordan holmes
Hey, I'm no angel.
dan friesen
I need money.
jordan holmes
I could use your money.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex discusses the COVID-19 positive cases that are in the White House and such, except...
jordan holmes
But the virus isn't real.
dan friesen
But he refuses to deal with this story on its real terms, because I think he recognizes that the way he would cover the reality of this story would be dangerous.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Oh, but Fauci...
Who's self-quarantining?
Oh, because the White House has a contagion.
Eight Secret Service.
They have thousands of meatpacking employees that tested positive.
No one's sick.
Asymptomatic.
dan friesen
So Alex refuses to cover the other aspects of the COVID-19 in the White House.
Like, he's very consistently been dismissing the story as just being eight Secret Service members testing positive, which is bad on its own, you know?
But there's more to it than that.
There's at least two staffers in the executive branch who have tested positive, and one of them is Stephen Miller's wife, who is Mike Pence's press secretary.
That's someone who would have close contact with Pence, who's married to someone who has close contact with everyone.
As of May 11th, CNN was reporting that the person who Miller caught the virus from was unknown, which doesn't inspire confidence that the number is actually just two people.
The White House has now mandated that staffers have to wear masks at the office, and apparently morale is not high.
Trump's economic advisor Kevin Hassett was on Face the Nation and said, quote, it's scary to go to work.
Shit is not good.
Also, by the time Alex is on the air about this, the number of Secret Service members who tested positive was 11, not 8. He's not doing a good job of tracking any of these stories, which is just amazing.
He's minimizing the old news, while since last he's heard, even more Secret Service people have tested positive, and that's not even counting the 23 others who had tested positive who have since recovered.
This is not nearly the small problem.
Alex is pretending it is.
jordan holmes
Well, if Alex were to cover...
Here's how Alex would cover it.
They're killing the president.
We have to act.
dan friesen
Right.
That's the problem of discussing some of the other details.
You drift really quickly into insurrection territory.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And that's hard to get people to buy your pills when you're telling them to go assassinate people near the president.
dan friesen
And you'd...
I mean...
It's tough to minimize things when you escalate to that level.
So just keep it as, ah, there's eight Secret Service people, who cares?
unidentified
Ah, everyone's so scared!
jordan holmes
Yeah, Trump slurred one time, so he was like, they're poisoning the president.
Now that the president is literally in danger of his life, he's like, that's eight Secret Service members.
dan friesen
Well, times were different back then.
You could yell whatever you really wanted to back then.
jordan holmes
You really could.
dan friesen
Stakes were a little lower.
jordan holmes
Those were the days.
dan friesen
And as for that stuff about the meatpacking plants, Alex can legit go fuck himself.
He doesn't understand what asymptomatic cases are, and he's just pretending that these people aren't actually getting sick.
There have been a bunch of deaths linked to workers at these plants, and Alex's bullshit is complete disrespect to these people and their families.
People who have to go to work to continue the ability of people to have food processed.
And he's minimizing the experience that they're having to deal with, and I find that abhorrent.
jordan holmes
Hey, sacrifice him on the altar of capitalism.
dan friesen
Makes me wish he was in Guardians of the Galaxy!
jordan holmes
Because then he wouldn't be doing this.
Then he wouldn't be doing this.
dan friesen
That would be a better world.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
So one of the big things on this episode that Alex has promised to do is he's going to cover Fauci's testimony in the Senate.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he doesn't do a good job of it.
We just have a little clip of this because, I mean, it would be exhausting to go over all of it.
alex jones
Here's Fauci announcing his reasonable martial law.
unidentified
I've said many times publicly what we have worked out.
Is a guideline framework of how to safely open America again.
alex jones
Let's turn it over.
What we have worked out.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
alex jones
How you safely, I will tell you how you're safe.
You take a Bill Gates vaccine.
You wear a mask and get hypoxia.
It doesn't matter.
All my graphs were 50 times wrong.
You do what I say.
We're making a move.
Let's hear from him.
dan friesen
I haven't seen this strategy in a while.
It kind of feels like him remembering a bit he hasn't done in a while and just giving it a try.
This is that old bit where he plays some video of one of his villains, but he also realizes that they aren't saying what he constantly says they say.
He's built up this image of them as arch-villains, so when he tries to actually play longer clips of them, he runs into the problem of them not sounding evil, and they're actually making their points fairly well.
The way Alex gets around this is with constant interruptions, cutting off the clip over and over again so the listener never actually hears Fauci's words in complete sentences.
Along with that disruption technique, Alex also breaks in over and over again to reframe the words that Fauci uses as being evil and he distracts the audience with references to completely unrelated aspects of his conspiracy narrative.
Things that have no bearing on what Fauci's saying at all.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and for good measure, he calls them nerds.
unidentified
He's like, oh, nerds are gonna tell me what to do.
Bullshit.
jordan holmes
I'll die first!
dan friesen
We've done this a bunch of times in cases when Alex has used this strategy, so I'm not gonna drag it out here.
It's just the same thing over and over again.
And nothing he brings up is really new or interesting.
It just goes on and on for, like, two segments of the show, where Alex just makes himself mad listening to Fauci.
Then interrupting to do impressions and yelling his talking points.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's a childhood bully.
dan friesen
It's very pathetic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's bad.
dan friesen
So Alex has a guest on this episode.
And we're not actually going to talk too much about this because, first of all, this guy belongs more in the Project Camelot side of things.
And I don't think his appearance was really all that interesting except for the fact that it happened.
That is kind of interesting to me.
alex jones
And we have...
Dr. Stephen Greer also joining us to discuss a possible fake UFO invasion.
That's what I told the crew today.
dan friesen
Fake.
alex jones
I'm glad I read that.
It's fake.
Fake.
Blue beam fake UN.
unidentified
NAME FIVE MORE PLANETS.
UFO INVATION.
FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE artificial artificial fake UFO fake Harsh somebody broke Alex
jordan holmes
Come on.
All right, let's just go to break.
Jesus.
unidentified
That was surreal.
When I heard that, I was like, what are you doing?
dan friesen
It's a minute of him yelling fake.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
This is why it's impossible to argue with the alt-right.
dan friesen
Well, yeah.
And it's ludicrous to imagine ever having a conversation with Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is exactly...
That is what they say, but just boiled down to its perfect essence.
All the right-wing is saying right now is fake.
unidentified
Fake.
dan friesen
Steven Greer is a big name in the world of alien disclosure stuff and what have you.
We've talked about him a bit in the past.
I think he's come up in the Project Camelot episodes.
Not ever an interview with him specifically, but he's a figure that maybe some of the weirder alien folk distrust.
He's had a couple documentaries about him and I think maybe they think that he's a shill or something.
I don't know, but he's a bit of like...
Alien dude.
jordan holmes
Real doctor or fake doctor?
dan friesen
I think he's...
I don't remember.
I think he's like a sports medicine.
I think he does have an actual doctorate.
But I don't know how relevant it is and he's been doing alien shit.
For as long as I've known about it.
jordan holmes
He's the house doctor for the Mavericks, so...
dan friesen
Could be.
jordan holmes
We got a lot of hate coming his way.
dan friesen
So Alex has this guy on, and Alex wants to talk about how they're planning to do a fake alien invasion.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And Alex, he has to explain why he's having this conversation, because it's even absurd for his show.
So this is how he tries to do that.
alex jones
I've been listening to Dr. Stephen Greer for 20 years.
And I've read a couple of his books and I've followed what he has to say.
And I never got into UFOs and all of this because I knew a lot of it was real, but I couldn't get able to admit there were FEMA camps and shadow government and the CFR and all of this.
But the public now is ready for this.
And so he'll be with us the whole next hour and hopefully come back again for a couple hours next week.
And so he's on with us.
dan friesen
I'd like to make the argument that it's not that the public is ready for it.
It's that Alex's show has descended to this.
jordan holmes
There's nothing else to do.
dan friesen
I don't have any other clips of their interview because I don't find it at all interesting.
It's ridiculous.
Alex is just gushing over this guy.
jordan holmes
Spinning a yarn about fake alien invasion.
dan friesen
One of the other reasons that I am not focusing on this right now, other than to say that this interview happened where they're talking about a fake alien invasion.
It's because I listened to the next day and this whole thing is fucking dropped like a hot potato.
It's not...
I think it was just a weird interview that Alex did because this guy has a new documentary coming out and he wants to try and get some juice off of it.
So he'll be like, yeah, let's play around with the idea that the globalists are going to do a false alien invasion.
jordan holmes
That's fun.
dan friesen
See if I can get some traffic out of this.
jordan holmes
That's fun.
I like it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I don't really care.
I'm not going to help Greer promote his documentary and Alex's interview is not interesting.
But...
jordan holmes
If it was Dave and Alan Greer, we'll promote the shit out of that documentary.
dan friesen
But if Alex does continue down the road of saying there's going to be a fake alien invasion, we will revisit the topic.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
I promise if he keeps it up.
But for now, it just seems like a blip on the radar.
unidentified
It's a one-off.
jordan holmes
It's a bottle episode.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So that goes the rest of the 12th.
And now we're on to the 13th.
And this is a weird day.
Weird day.
I mean, it's hard to get weirder than Alex saying that he was going to be in Guardians of the Galaxy.
But he manages somehow.
And that is because he has some big news.
alex jones
And I got on my knees at about 3 a.m. this morning when I woke up.
I just asked God to give me the guidance and the direction to not get angry on air and to just calmly report this information to you as best I can and give you the evidence.
jordan holmes
It's very soothing music calm right now.
alex jones
You'll see the live show feed title global bombshell WHO confirms vaccines are having sterilants added to them on a planetary scale.
I have an entire folder that is only the surface of this with the United Nations admitting they're doing it.
Now think about that.
dan friesen
Think about it.
jordan holmes
It's only three pages, though.
You can't do four.
dan friesen
There's no news here.
This is just a headline Alex is reading.
Global bombshell!
Three exclamation points.
World Health Organization confirms sterilants added to vaccines globally.
This isn't a news article.
It's just a post on Infowars that has the embedded video of Alex's show in it.
It's literally a blog post that just includes the show that Alex is in the middle of doing.
He's citing the very show he's in the process of doing as a source on the show he's in the middle of doing.
jordan holmes
That is spectacular.
dan friesen
That's so impressive!
jordan holmes
That is really great.
That's really great.
I have never seen an Ouroboros in real life.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's beautiful.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
That is really gorgeous.
dan friesen
It's circular citation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's stunning.
dan friesen
Whatever I'm saying now is confirmed by me.
To my citation, which is this show, and whatever I'm going to say in half an hour.
Okay?
Great!
jordan holmes
Weird!
dan friesen
You are a weirdo!
jordan holmes
The future proves what I'm saying in the past, because eventually the future will be the past, Dan.
dan friesen
It's pretty wild.
jordan holmes
That is interesting.
dan friesen
So the whole thing on this episode is going to be that the World Health Organization and all these folks have admitted that they put sterilants into vaccines in order to make people unable to reproduce and what have you.
So that will be a large thesis.
Over which the rest of Alex's episode will go.
But also, of course, because he's Alex fucking Jones, there's going to be a bunch of weird other shit going on.
jordan holmes
Well, naturally.
dan friesen
But Alex does start with his commitment to be focused, so he does stay on topic for a bit.
alex jones
I was laying in bed with a tablet, and I thought, let me go see what David Knight's up to, because I had watched his show yesterday.
And I saw him play a video that I meant to play that I didn't get to yesterday.
By a group like Project Veritas called Go Vote in the UK.
That's a credible group.
Kind of leftist, but they mean well.
jordan holmes
I don't know what that means.
alex jones
And they're talking about interviewing a big pharma whistleblower about HCG being added to vaccines to sterilize women.
And then folks were all on YouTube saying, oh, we don't know this is true.
Oh, you know, they wouldn't dare do that.
And then, of course, this morning, the YouTube video was gone.
Had like a half million views.
Well, all I did was type in HCG vaccines, and I was on the UN's website saying they added the vaccines to sterilize people.
But see, no one cares when it's totally admitted.
dan friesen
So Alex is just making all that stuff up.
I don't really know what this UK group is, and I don't really care, because as it's being reported, they're talking about talking to a whistleblower.
I have no idea.
I'm not going to chase that rabbit trail down.
So the World Health Organization does not admit on their website that they put HCG and vaccines to sterilize people.
In fact, if you go to their website and read their materials, you get a very easy-to-understand explanation for how this misinformation works.
Julie Milstein, P. David Griffin, and J.W. Lee released a paper called, quote, Damage to Immunization Programs for Misinformation on Contraceptive Vaccines, which explained the dynamic at play.
There was a campaign to attack vaccines that conflated a 1994 study in India, which was, quote, not sponsored, supported, nor executed by the World Health Organization, which was a, quote, clinical trial carried out to assess the effectiveness of a prototype anti-fertility vaccine designed to provide protection against unplanned pregnancies for a period of one to two years.
The active ingredient in that birth control was HCG, or human chorionic gonadrophen.
Which is a hormone necessary for a pregnancy to begin.
In order for this hormone to be delivered, it needed a carrier.
And in this Indian study, they used diphtheria and tetanus toxoids, which were produced in a way that they wouldn't get anyone sick, but just serve as the carrier.
Anti-vax proponents took this study and conflated the details into being a vaccine trial where they put in a sterilizing agent.
They went on to test this tetanus vaccine in labs.
The vaccines were sent to hospital laboratories and tested using pregnancy test kits, which were developed for use on serum and urine specimens and are not appropriate for a vaccine.
Because they were using something that was a test that wasn't made to analyze this, they found results that were confusing, and they were able to twist.
They found, quote, low levels of HCG-like activity in some samples, and that was enough to create a narrative.
Actual researchers followed up and, quote, when the vaccines were tested in laboratories which used properly validated test systems, the results clearly showed that the vaccines did not contain HCG.
This was validated by six laboratories in five countries, but it doesn't matter.
The erroneous science confirmed the conclusion these folks were looking for, so when there's stronger evidence provided that they are wrong, they just ignore that and yell about the erroneous stuff that they wanted to believe to begin with.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
That's the root of what a bunch of this they're putting sterilants in the vaccine stuff comes from, and even though the explanation for where the confusion comes from is super easy to understand, this narrative just keeps popping up over time.
Africa check traced how this same misinformation was being used in 2014 to claim the world health organization was conducting a quote mass sterilization exercise in Kenya.
masquerading as a tetanus vaccine.
jordan holmes
Great, great, great, great, great.
dan friesen
And the part that makes it even more insidious is a lot of these vaccination programs surrounding tetanus are focused towards women of childbearing age because one of the concerns is the children dying from tetanus early.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
And it's one of the great successes that they've been able to Take those tetanus-related deaths so far down in the developing world.
And so, you know, you take the demographic that would be most helped by the vaccine.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
And then you turn that into some sort of a nefarious conspiracy about trying to make people...
jordan holmes
That's the plan.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a mess.
jordan holmes
I propose we always have a manhole within three feet of each other.
And if somebody says anything anti-vax bullshit, you get to push them down the manhole.
That is my new law.
dan friesen
As long as it's only an inconvenience.
jordan holmes
Ten million manholes across Chicago.
dan friesen
As long as it's only an inconvenience when you get pushed in a manhole, it doesn't actually really hurt you that much.
jordan holmes
Oh, there's a little trampoline under there.
dan friesen
Maybe there's a little dirty water.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, you have to join the Below Time Society.
dan friesen
You have to join the Morlocks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
After two years, you may be able to come back out.
dan friesen
That would be an interesting way to do things.
jordan holmes
It's a bad way to do things.
dan friesen
Probably.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex believes that he's proved all this stuff and he gets real cocky about it.
alex jones
We've known this since the late 80s.
They've been doing this.
And so there's that frustration that I've known so much information for so long that I just get up here and I tell you, yeah, there's sterilants in a lot of the vaccines.
People go, oh, that's just Alex saying that instead of going, hey.
Here it is.
Here's the URL on the UN website.
Now, as soon as we point this out, Google will bury it.
That's why you want to use Yippee or something else.
dan friesen
Yippee.
Interesting.
Hold on to that thought for later.
Alex doesn't provide a URL there, but I went and watched the video, and he does flash up on screen the image of the title of a study.
Quote, HCG found in World Health Organization tetanus vaccine in Kenya raises concerns in the developing world.
This is a paper that was published in the Open Access Library Journal, and let's just say it has an interesting history.
Firstly, it's just based on the same debunked nonsense about the tetanus vaccine that conflates the Indian birth control shot study with the tetanus vaccine, so right off the bat, it's not great.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
This was a paper that was written by two researchers named Shaw and Tom Genovich, who had a bit of a history of releasing bad work about vaccines.
jordan holmes
Earlier paper, slavery.
Is it okay?
dan friesen
In 2016, they put out a paper in the journal Vaccine, which purported to show a, quote, link between the vaccine for HPV and behavioral issues.
This article was subsequently retracted by the journal, with an announcement saying, quote, This article has been withdrawn at the request of the editor-in-chief due to serious concerns regarding the scientific soundness of the article.
Review by the editor-in-chief and evaluation by outside experts confirm that the methodology is seriously flawed and the claims that the article makes are unjustified.
This was Shaw and Toml Genovic's third study related to vaccines that had been found by peer review to be, quote, seriously flawed.
Their history is littered with papers about vaccines that have been reviewed and shown to be poorly done in the generous interpretation and anti-vex pseudoscience in the less generous version.
So they were two of the main co-authors of this paper, whose headline Alex flashed up on screen, and he's presenting as on the World Health Organization UN's website.
jordan holmes
So their basic plan is to try and get something published for at least a little bit, then it's retracted, then they get to use it for right-wing propaganda.
dan friesen
Maybe.
I don't know.
I couldn't speak to their plan.
But, you know, if that's what you're suggesting, maybe.
But it would be unfair for me just to say, like, hey, they've done all this stuff repeatedly in the past.
That would be attacking the messenger.
You can't just say that, you know, just because they have a clear history of not being good sources of information.
You've got to automatically reject the study.
That wouldn't be fair.
As it turns out, this paper is worthless as well.
In their paper, they did no new tests.
They just relied on data that already existed and was part of that 2014 campaign against the tetanus vaccine in Kenya.
There's honestly not much more to it than that.
It's just a rehashing of the tetanus birth control shot confusion propaganda.
That's literally all it is.
The study doesn't prove anything.
It doesn't show any new information.
It's just a republishing of an already debunked conspiracy theory about vaccines.
jordan holmes
Oh my god!
It's the paper version of Alex posting his video on his own blog!
dan friesen
Sort of.
Another important variable to remember is that even if these vaccines did have HCG in them, it wouldn't sterilize anyone.
It would make you temporarily unable to get pregnant.
Many people opt for the Depo-Provera shot as a means of birth control, and you have to get that every three months to control reproduction, so I have no idea what kind of permanent sterilization Alex is imagining is going to go with this, but whatever.
It's just his fantasy, supported by the long-discredited work of anti-vax zealots.
Also, the Open Access Library Journal is not a credible outlet that you should accept as legitimate if you're trying to make an argument like this.
The fact that Alex has an article, that this article is his primary source that he relies on, that claims that he's taking information from the World Health Organization or UN's website, is just the definition of dishonest.
And so that's what a lot of this is based on, where it's coming from.
And it's trash.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
So, of course, we've got to connect Bill Gates in here.
We've got to complain about him a little bit.
jordan holmes
Fine.
dan friesen
So why not?
alex jones
They learned with Hitler.
But they don't fight dudes in pink sweaters.
Now, India threw his ass out, and so did Pakistan.
They figured out what was going on.
And look, I get it.
There are a lot of folks in India, man.
But do you really want to sign on to sterilizing them?
jordan holmes
Where's this going?
alex jones
Bill Gates has his angle.
You can see it from his perspective until you realize that they're after everybody.
dan friesen
So, I don't know how Alex thinks he comes off when he says that he kind of understands the argument of sterilizing or killing off people in the developing world, but he has to be against the plan because it's actually about targeting people like himself.
To me, that sounds like someone who would be totally fine with exterminating people in the developing world if he felt entirely comfortable that people like himself were not going to be affected.
Someone who has the principles set that Alex pretends to have would never say something like that.
That sounds like someone who would be very comfortable in a white supremacist authoritarian state.
jordan holmes
It kind of sounds like he wants a race-specific bioweapon.
dan friesen
Seems like...
jordan holmes
As long as that race is not white.
dan friesen
The story that Bill Gates and the Gates Foundation were kicked out of India is completely not true.
It was something that made the rounds on conspiracy blogs back in 2017, which prompted India's Ministry of Health and Family Welfare to release a statement saying, quote, Some media reports have suggested that all health-related collaboration with the Gates Foundation with the National Health Mission has been stopped.
This is inaccurate and misleading.
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation continues to collaborate and support the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare.
The propaganda around this traces back to India stopping an HPV vaccine trial that the Gates Foundation had a part in funding back in April 2012 after there were reports that seven of the youths in the trial had died.
subsequent investigations found that the deaths were not related to the vaccine from science magazine quote one girl drowned in a quarry another died from a snake bite two committed suicide by ingesting pesticides and one died from complications of malaria investigators deemed the other two deaths unlikely to have been related to the vaccine but not as easily ruled out as the other five it's still very sad but yeah it's not from the vaccine.
unidentified
This is just absolutely fake propaganda narrative that Alex probably read on some dumb conspiracy blog he thinks is credible, and now he's repeating to his audience as fact.
dan friesen
That's the level of work Alex brings to the table, because he's dumb, layup, Also, I think he's just making up the part about Pakistan.
Because in September 2019, Philanthropy News Digest reported that, quote, The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has signed a memorandum of understanding with the government of Pakistan and will commit approximately $200 million in support of the AHAIS initiative, a comprehensive effort aimed at combating poverty and improving health, nutrition, and financial inclusion in that country.
The Prime Minister of Pakistan, Imran Khan, said, quote, I'm pleased that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation will assist with a range of activities, including accelerating stunting reduction programs, supporting financial inclusion initiatives, and investing in public health systems to improve health and reduce maternal, newborn, and child mortality.
So this one, the claim that Bill Gates was kicked out of Pakistan, just seems like a demonstrable lie that Alex is making up on the spot in order to malign his imagined enemy.
Which he's presenting to his audience as fact, which is just unacceptable.
jordan holmes
No, he did get kicked out of Pakistan, but it was, you know, so he got a little too drunk one night.
Look, I've been kicked out of a bar before, too.
It's just when you're a billionaire, when you get kicked out of a bar, you have to get kicked out of the whole country.
He can send his money over, but he's not invited back.
dan friesen
That would be interesting, but also no record of that.
jordan holmes
Okay, fair.
dan friesen
But the thing is that Bill Gates, I mean, you know, big bad guy.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But did you know?
That there's a council of 12 people.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
Who run the world.
jordan holmes
I love it.
dan friesen
There's a council of 12. Yes.
Now, here's what's disappointing about this.
Alex doesn't know who all of them are.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's an issue.
dan friesen
This makes me really sad for a conspiracy theorist.
alex jones
And I've been really researching Bill Gates for years, but I've been researching him in more depth, and he is completely insane.
And that's why he is the science officer on the committee.
And there is a global committee.
unidentified
Of course.
alex jones
It has rotating members, just like a Politburo, and there are 12 of them.
And I know who at least eight of them are.
jordan holmes
Galahad, Lancelot.
alex jones
This information is the most secret information on the planet.
And so I commit myself into God's hands, bringing this information out.
And I'm not being dramatic, ladies and gentlemen.
Everybody knows that.
dan friesen
Yeah, everyone does.
Those other four are going to get you, Alex.
Those four mystery people are going to get you.
jordan holmes
You can't know everything, Dan!
It makes more sense that he doesn't know.
Also, if it's a rotating cast, do you die?
Or, like in a Politburo, you're allowed to retire from the council?
dan friesen
Well, I assume that Soros is in there.
jordan holmes
Sure, but I mean...
dan friesen
He's probably in the mix.
jordan holmes
You know, there's got to be plenty of members who were retired, so it's not a council of 12. Hillary's in there.
I think she was kicked out.
dan friesen
Obama.
jordan holmes
Obama.
Yeah, he's got to be in there.
dan friesen
I bet that.
jordan holmes
Are we just going with past presidents now?
dan friesen
Alex is just like, there's eight people I don't like.
Twelve is a better number for a council.
jordan holmes
Stelter.
dan friesen
Shit.
Yeah, Stelter's in there for sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Stelter's in there for sure.
dan friesen
No doubt.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Stelter's the media arm.
jordan holmes
Surprise twist?
Bolsonaro's in there as well.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
How crazy is that?
He's controlled opposition!
dan friesen
No, Bolsonaro's not.
unidentified
But Basajawa, or however Alex pronounced it is.
jordan holmes
That's Bolsonaro's evil twin.
dan friesen
It's a different person.
Little do we know, Alex has been not talking about Bolsonaro this whole time.
Could be.
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
So Alex rambles a little bit, wants to try and make mocking arguments in order to minimize the COVID-19 situation, and he touches on one of his favorite things, which I find disgraceful.
alex jones
The sheep that run off the cliff are our leaders.
Like, yeah, you're not opening that school.
My kid's not going to your...
We're not going...
You're not opening that mall.
I'm going to sue you.
Oh, and the meatpackers.
No one's died in a meatpacking plant.
Thousands and thousands tested.
You know, 301 plant all have COVID.
None of them got sick because it's a fake test, folks.
dan friesen
This is such a demonstrably false claim that I have no idea how Alex thinks he can get away with it.
On May 8th, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported on the second death that had come from people infected at a local meatpacking plant.
This person's, quote, condition declined so quickly that he couldn't receive advanced treatment records show.
That same day, Business Insider reported that at least 48 meatpacking plant workers have died with COVID-19.
If you consider that, as Business Insider also pointed out, quote, employers are not required to track coronavirus cases among workers per recent guidance and does not require on-site inspections for worker complaints related to the virus.
If you consider that, the number of infected and possibly related deaths could be much higher than the numbers we know.
Alex has latched onto this story out of Missouri, where 373 workers at a Triumph Foods pork plant tested positive for COVID-19, but the stories about the case were quick to point out that they were asymptomatic.
This is an interesting headline, but it also fails to capture a lot of the relevant information about the story.
This story came out in the first week of May, but it wasn't the first time this plant made headlines involving coronavirus.
On April 24, local news reported that 16 workers at that plant had tested positive for COVID-19, which was prompting them to go ahead and test everyone.
This article implies that they were going to change their strategy to testing, quote, individuals who are not showing symptoms as well as those who are.
Which would lead one to believe that previously they were only testing people who had symptoms.
These original 16 cases are completely foreign to Alex.
He has no idea about this part of the story because he just saw a headline about asymptomatic cases at the plant, decided it must mean no one's sick, and looked no further into the case than that.
Also, at least one employee at that plant who tested positive for COVID-19 is now dead.
What Alex is saying has no connection with reality.
He's just making up all the details he feels like in order to prop up his predetermined conclusion.
No sincere person would do that if they were interested in the truth.
He's a fucking liar.
And I wish he'd gotten cast in Guardians of the Galaxy.
Because a bad movie is better than this.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
There's got to be...
There are people culpable for this.
And there's no lawsuits.
There's no nothing that we can do.
dan friesen
I mean, there may be eventually.
jordan holmes
There has to be.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I haven't looked into it deeply, but I wonder if...
I've seen some headlines, and I feel a little irresponsible saying this because I haven't looked into them.
I wonder if one day there will be a statistical difference you will be able to find between deaths of people who take in different sorts of media.
And I don't know if that will end up having any kind of criminal or civil liability, but I wonder if one day we will be able to see those trends.
And I would be horrified to.
jordan holmes
Ugh, man.
It's just there...
There are people who are doing this knowingly.
I can't get that thought out of my head.
People are knowingly choosing to watch other people die.
And they are in a position to do something about it.
In fact, they're in the position wherein they're specifically choosing not to do something about it.
I don't understand how they're not absolutely culpable for...
dan friesen
Some of them may think that it's a lesser...
Amount of pain and death than caused by the alternative.
But yeah, it's whatever.
It's awful.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex gets into...
He hasn't done his racist Asian voice in a while, so we get to do a little bit of that here.
alex jones
China says, oh, there were five cases in Wuhan.
unidentified
Oh, you'd not leave your house now.
So now we are, oh, we can't open up either.
alex jones
China say second wave comm.
They're all open for business, but we can't.
Sweden's communist now, so they stay open.
Because once they've conquered you, it's okay.
jordan holmes
That's a throwaway line.
alex jones
Yeah, there's some of the...
There it is.
There are the kids in the bubbles in China.
I'm going to go to break, and I'm just going to tell you this right now.
jordan holmes
Vampires.
alex jones
I tried to hold this back.
jordan holmes
Vampires.
alex jones
I thought that we could get people in the government to actually look into this and not want to go down this road.
jordan holmes
Vampires?
alex jones
It's so cowardly and so into being slaves that it's avalanched into mass hysteria.
And thank God Trump now understands this and is bucking it, but if you don't have storable foods, and if you don't have a buck out of your family, I don't care if it's five acres in the middle of the water, you're insane.
Because the New World Order is here.
And if you're in a city, you're crazy.
That's all I'm saying.
We have storable food ready to ship out to you at Infowarsstore.com.
Almost no one else does, or they're lying to you, or it's crap.
dan friesen
Cool.
In this next clip, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, whatever.
dan friesen
That is a demonstration.
Might as well be.
I wish it was vampires.
jordan holmes
That would be great.
I wish he was in Guardians of the Galaxy.
dan friesen
Me too.
And I wish that movie was about vampires.
So we get into the next...
Alex comes back from break, and he starts vamping about how he's got to put off the big news.
He's vamping?
So the big news is just the, they're putting sterile into the vaccine.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
He's already touched on it at the beginning of the show, but he hasn't gotten into the news.
But now he realizes that he can't get into it because he's got to get in the zone or something.
alex jones
All right.
You know, I said I'd get into this news, this segment, and I'm not doing this to build it up.
But it's so momentous that I have to get my brain completely focused to be able to do this.
And during the break, I was doing some work and taking care of some things, and I got distracted.
Nobody's bad for coming in here.
I told them to, but I was busy doing some work, so I'm going to have to do it next segment.
Get back in the zone.
dan friesen
Got to get back in the zone, man.
jordan holmes
That's unacceptable.
dan friesen
He can't do it because he's frazzled.
jordan holmes
Unacceptable behavior.
dan friesen
Well, but the problem is that Alex prepares so much that anything can make him unprepared.
alex jones
Like I said, I'm particularly prepared for today's show.
I'm the one telling David Knight not to kill himself, but doing five, six hours of preparation every day for his show, and I've done that much myself today.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
alex jones
And, man, it's all just totally come together.
It's exactly how we analyzed it, but it's not a surprise.
We're following their operation.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
alex jones
They are really planning to execute this thing to the hilt, so...
I had really hoped they'd back down.
I'd really hoped that...
It was all just a bunch of crazy eugenicists trying to one-up each other, but they're going to carry this out.
You better start getting ready to decide what you're going to do, folks.
And it's going to get really bad.
They're going to carry out false flags and blame it on us.
It's going to be interesting, but just thank God and your lucky stars that you, for whatever reason, are awake and aware and have a relationship with God, the living God, because these guys worship the God of death.
dan friesen
So Alex is prepared a whole ton, and...
He's just vamping there a bit, just filling space.
jordan holmes
I would tell you about all this, but first I gotta warn you, my right-wing buddies are probably gonna do some terrorism sooner or later.
They're already starting.
dan friesen
Don't listen when they say that they did it.
jordan holmes
False flags.
I mean, my right-wing buddies are gonna do it.
You've already seen it.
unidentified
They're all there.
dan friesen
I'm wildly encouraging that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, love it.
It's my favorite thing, but it would only be done by people who are trying to make me feel bad about it.
dan friesen
So Alex gets back into the zone.
And he explains exactly what he's going to do to prove his massive case that there's sterilants in the vaccines.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
Now, I'm just going to show you right now 18 documents.
I'm just going to read the headlines and tell you where they came from.
jordan holmes
You should do more than that.
alex jones
And then I'm going to explain to you that this is one, one, Thousands, is my estimation, of what is publicly available.
dan friesen
So, I always get excited.
Alex says there's 18 things he's going to present as evidence of this argument that there's sterile in some of the vaccines.
jordan holmes
My guess is he gets through four.
dan friesen
That's an interesting bet.
I appreciate you making a bet.
I have kept track of how many he gets through.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And we're going to talk about him one by one.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And I will say he's over at the end of this.
It's all bad.
jordan holmes
That sounds about right.
dan friesen
So this is actually a false start.
I thought this was the first example, but it's not actually.
alex jones
You can type in HCG vaccine and you will get 1985 test.
With Fauci, of course, NIH.
Fauci!
Adding that hormone so that a woman thinks she's pregnant all the time.
It's a pregnancy hormone.
And so you can never get pregnant.
dan friesen
So I thought that was the first piece of evidence that he had, is this study, this 1985 study.
If you Google HCG and vaccines, that's just an Indian study, part of what was misrepresented by the anti-vax propagandists.
Somebody researching into the idea of a temporary birth control vaccine.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
This was done by a scientist named Gursaran Talwar.
And you can find articles about him to this day, continuing his work of trying to produce effective and safe birth control methods.
jordan holmes
And he changed his name to Fauci.
dan friesen
I'm not sure about that.
He's a bit older.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex is pointing to this, implying that this was a study where they added HCG to some other vaccine, but it was about a trial for a vaccine that would work as a temporary birth control option.
It says literally nothing to do with the point he's trying to make.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There is a 1985 patent filing for this that's assigned to the National Institute of Immunology, which kind of sounds close to the entity Fauci is the head of, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, but it's not the same thing.
Primarily because the nation in question in the National Institute of Immunology is India.
jordan holmes
Hmm.
That does seem insurmountable.
dan friesen
Yes.
I'm going to need Alex to prove the connection between Talwar's 1985 study and Fauci, because as it stands, I'm not sure that it's demonstrated.
jordan holmes
Fauci, immortal, has to change his appearance every 50 years in order to keep people from thinking that he is immortal.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I got nothing.
dan friesen
This is bad.
I thought that was the first example, and I thought Alex quit after one.
jordan holmes
Because he just starts rambling.
dan friesen
I don't know.
He's talking about this HCG that he's learned about and is now obsessed with.
unidentified
HCG.
alex jones
Well, where do you think HCG gets released from?
It gets released and commanded from the brain and the ovaries.
The brain and the testicles.
dan friesen
So, he's just making stuff up.
It doesn't have anything to do with the testicles.
I guess you could make something of a case that the ovaries are related, but that isn't really accurate either.
According to hormone.org, HCG, quote, is produced by the cells that are surrounding a growing embryo, which eventually forms the placenta.
The ovaries themselves do not produce the hormone.
It comes from the cells that actually go on to become the placenta.
It is true that the pituitary gland also produces low levels of HCG, so you pretty much always have a small amount in your body, but not to the level that it would normally affect pregnancy or anything like that.
This is not one of Alex's 18 headlines.
He's just in the middle of rambling.
jordan holmes
Just tossing this one out.
dan friesen
And I just wanted to point out that he thinks it comes from your balls.
jordan holmes
Sure, great.
dan friesen
So, Alex still has not gotten down to the headlines.
alex jones
The clock is ticking on Mr. Jones.
So I just want listeners to understand that...
I've made the decision to go whole hog against these people, but I'm begging you for my sake, your sake, our children's sake, do whatever you have to get this out, okay?
So let's start getting into it.
Let me just show you headlines.
Headshot, please.
dan friesen
That was actually kind of shocking to me because I did think the Fauci 85 thing was the first one.
I didn't realize we hadn't actually started the clock yet.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Hit the clock.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So Alex, he puts it on the board.
We're getting ready to go.
This is going to be...
I don't know.
Ping pong?
I'm going to play with him.
He's going to surf it up, but I'm going to hit it right back at him.
jordan holmes
Okay, here we go.
dan friesen
So here's the first one.
alex jones
This is from the NIH.gov.
Birth control vaccine is on the horizon for family planning.
unidentified
Cool.
alex jones
This is from many years ago.
It's here now.
dan friesen
So this was not from the NIH.
It's a journal article that's housed on the National Library of Medicine's website, though, which is also at the...
NIH.gov address, so it's easy to misunderstand that.
It was a 1993 article in the journal Annals of Medicine.
It was written by Gursaran Talwar, and it discusses his work in terms of developing birth control shots.
Even the abstract of this article makes clear that the birth control vaccine he was writing up, quote, has previously been demonstrated to be reversible in its effect, and it requires a booster every eight to nine months.
Article number one has nothing to do with the point Alex thinks he's making and does not show that the evil globalists are putting sterilants in the vaccines.
He is 0 for 1. Alright, here's serve two.
alex jones
Anti-fertility vaccines, how they work.
Cell.com.
dan friesen
So this is an April 2002 review article in the journal trends and immunology that's being posted on cell.com This is literally just an article that discusses recent developments in the field of vaccines that could possibly be used for birth control in humans It has nothing to do with adding sterile lens to vaccine It does nothing to establish Alex's point at all unless his point is that birth control should be illegal I guess if that's the argument he's trying to make those I don't know if birth control is
I'm going to be honest.
jordan holmes
I think that he is not getting into the article's body.
On purpose.
I think he's just reading these headlines because he doesn't want to engage with what the articles actually say.
dan friesen
But the headlines kind of work, but they don't really.
jordan holmes
I'm starting to see through this dude's plan.
dan friesen
Oh, do you?
jordan holmes
I'm starting to put this all together.
He's like a fifth element coming at us.
dan friesen
At this point, he's 0 for 2. So we get to the third headline.
We'll see if he makes it to the fourth.
alex jones
I'm guessing 4. Here's number 3. Unwanted sterilization of eugenics programs in the United States.
PBS.
The very Democrats who supposedly battling are the ones running.
You gotta love them.
dan friesen
So this PBS article is specifically about the programs in the United States in like the early 1900s that were enacted on non-white populations through the country, as well as whites who are deemed, quote, feeble-minded or mentally ill.
There's also mention of incarcerated persons being coerced into having their tubes tied in more recent days, which is all awful.
The thing that connects all of these cases is how reproductive justice was infringed by taking self-determination away from the people who were subjected to these programs.
These cases are used to support the argument that people should have access to all of the family planning and reproductive health care that they choose to use, which Alex should strongly be against based on what's happening.
I suppose.
I guess?
I guess?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
So that's probably not a good one for him to use.
There's an ugly history in our country of this stuff, and I'm not going to deny that, but I also don't accept this as any kind of evidence that the globalists are putting sterilants and vaccines today.
That relies on the kind of thinking that's basically, you know, what he's doing is just basically winking and nudging you, saying like, hey, people did awful things way in the past, they're probably doing it all now.
It's a way of trying to insinuate something and then pretend it's proof.
Showing that humans and, gasp, Americans are capable of a particular evil doesn't prove that they are doing it.
However, it's the kind of evidence you would provide if you were trying to convince someone that something is possible.
It's a lowering of the bar to the point where whatever you're proving is ultimately meaningless to the actual conversation you think you're having.
Alex is 0 for 3. Yeah.
This doesn't work for, what are you saying?
jordan holmes
That's disgusting.
dan friesen
That's unfortunate.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
So he does make it to 4. Hey!
alex jones
In the mass sterilization, women forced into camps.
Say relatives.
London Guardian.
You know who funds the camps?
Oh, you may have heard him.
He likes to wear...
Pink sweaters.
jordan holmes
He got kicked out!
dan friesen
That is a big problem.
jordan holmes
Why is he?
What?
God damn it.
dan friesen
So India is a country that has a rough history with sterilizations.
Dating back to the 70s, there have been some scandals about mass sterilization.
There's a lot to the picture, and a lot of it is not pretty.
However, none of it has to do with putting sterilants in vaccines.
It has to do with things like paying poor people to have their tubes tied.
So this particular article Alex is citing is from 2014.
It has to do with some deaths at a sterilization center.
This is completely unrelated to the point Alex is trying to make, and like you clearly saw, he's contradicting his own narratives.
I thought Bill Gates was supposed to have been thrown out of India because of this vaccine stuff in 2009, but apparently he's also running these camps in 2014 and onward.
All this stuff is internally inconsistent, and that's because Alex makes up this shit however he wants, just to make whatever point he feels like.
I don't mean to diminish the issue of safe reproductive health in India at all.
There's definitely questions to raise there and a conversation to be had.
But it has nothing to do with what Alex is talking about.
He is 0 for 4. Unfortunately, you're 0 for 1. Because Alex makes it to 5. Damn it!
alex jones
India cuts some funding ties with the Gates Foundation.
Reuters.
That was years ago.
Because they caught them doing what they do best, sterilizing.
dan friesen
So, I don't know if that's from many years ago or years ago.
It's from 2017, that article.
This article is about a larger trend that was going on in the Indian government that involved taking partial control of the Immunization Technical Support Unit, which was formerly fully funded by the Gates Foundation.
The decision is seen as part of India's broader clampdown on non-governmental organizations to assert control over decision-making in key policy areas.
Last year, India ordered the dismissal of dozens of foreign-funded health experts working on public welfare schemes.
The article goes on to quote senior health ministry official Sumia Swaminathan, who, quote, stressed that there were no instances of influence found, and the decision was only in part prompted by a wider perception about foreign funding of the program.
Which is to say that, like, the reason for taking control of some of these things...
was a concern about influence of foreign people over policy, but upon review, there weren't any actual instances of that.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
So after this decision, the Gates Foundation still funded the parts of the ITSU that were involved in tracking vaccination coverage and managing logistics.
So this is more of a government reorganization than anything else.
If Alex's story were correct and the Indian government made this move because they found out Gates was sterilizing everyone...
You probably expect that they wouldn't retain the Gates Foundation as a partner on vaccination logistics management, and he's supposed to have been kicked out of the country at this point.
Makes no fucking sense.
Alex is 0 for 5. All right.
jordan holmes
Okay.
We caught you with the sterilization thing.
That's our bad.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You stick around.
Hey, we still need all kinds of other stuff, but we're not going to allow you.
Hey, come on.
unidentified
Don't do it again.
jordan holmes
Don't do it again, buddy.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
Get back in there.
dan friesen
But I will say Alex does do a lot better than you expected.
You had very low expectations for him.
unidentified
I did.
dan friesen
He gets to six.
alex jones
Fertility regulating and immunotherapeutic vaccines reaching human trials.
Academic.com.
That's 23 years ago.
1997.
dan friesen
So this is just another article about Talwar's work on the birth control shots.
It has literally nothing to do with the point Alex is trying to make.
He is 0 for 6. Also, academic.com is not the site he's trying to cite.
It's the Oxford Academic Archive at academic.oup.com.
This is just a reposting on their archive of an article from the July 1997 issue of Human Reproduction Update.
Alex has no idea what sources he's trying to use to make the points he completely doesn't understand.
This is so pathetic.
alex jones
Wow.
jordan holmes
This is really disheartening.
This is a real bummer.
When they actually try and prove their point, it's real sad.
dan friesen
Especially because, remember, the point is supposed to be that the World Health Organization is admitting that they put sterilants in the vaccines.
None of this so far has shown any of that.
So we get to number seven.
alex jones
Oh, here's an investigation of sterilization camp by the Population Research Institute.
Want to read all about it?
dan friesen
So Alex doesn't even offer a citation on that one.
He just says it's an investigation by the Population Research Institute.
I don't care about this, since PRI is a propaganda outlet run by Stephen Mosher, who we've talked about a bit in the past.
Unless whatever is in that report is being substantiated by someone who is not him, I'm not even going to give it the time of day.
It's just not even worth it.
Alex is 0 for 7. But he does get to number 8. Contraceptive vaccines.
alex jones
Here's another one.
dan friesen
Now it feels like he's not even trying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
dan friesen
He just said contraceptive vaccines.
jordan holmes
He moves on.
Bingo!
dan friesen
I have no idea what source this is coming from.
And regardless, it's clearly just about birth control shots.
jordan holmes
He's just bored.
unidentified
Alex is 0 for 8. He's not even, yeah.
dan friesen
But he gets to number 9. Oh, does he?
alex jones
Special program research development and research training in human reproduction, World Health Organization, Geneva, Switzerland.
It's all right here.
I read that.
dan friesen
I can tell you with absolute certainty that Alex did not read that because what he's citing isn't a publication.
It's an initiative.
jordan holmes
It's a whole group.
dan friesen
The fact that the World Health Organization has a part of it that's dedicated to reproductive health and that some of their interests might involve birth control shots is not suspicious at all.
That makes total sense.
Alex isn't pointing to anything specific.
He's just saying the name of a group and patting himself on the back for a job well done.
I can't really disprove anything here because there's nothing to disprove.
jordan holmes
Alex is 0 for 9. I do like that it seems like he's forgotten that we're watching.
He's not...
He's just sitting and...
It's like he's at his morning breakfast table just looking at the paper.
dan friesen
Just eating...
unidentified
Oh!
jordan holmes
Look at what they did today!
dan friesen
Eating a little bit of Lucky Charms and then getting mad and yelling contraceptive vaccine!
jordan holmes
Again!
dan friesen
I was supposed to be in Guardians of the Galaxy!
alex jones
Respect me!
dan friesen
So we get to number 10. What double digits?
alex jones
Research into anti-fertility vaccine continues despite protest.
The Lancet Medical Journal.
Oh, and what's the main one?
HPV.
And, of course, HCG.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
So this isn't about the HPV vaccine at all.
It's about backlash in India surrounding research into birth control vaccines.
It's an article from 1998, and it legitimately has nothing to do with anything other than opposition to birth control.
The shot.
Alex is weaving HPV in for some reason, probably just because he wants to make it sound more damning or something, but HPV vaccines weren't even introduced until 2006, a full eight years after this Lancet article came out.
This is just about birth control and opposition to birth control.
It has nothing to do with Alex's point.
He is 0 for 10. Yeah.
So let's try again.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
alex jones
Review anti-fertility vaccines.
Science Direct.
jordan holmes
Four stars.
dan friesen
So this is...
jordan holmes
Alright, that one got you.
Alright, that's one.
I'm one for two.
dan friesen
This is actually just the same as his second headline.
It's the same review of anti-fertility vaccine options that he previously brought up as an article from Cell.com.
It's just now it's posted on ScienceDirect.com.
He either doesn't know or doesn't care that he's using the same source multiple times, which is a bad sign.
Or it's possible that he's talking about a different article on ScienceDirect that actually has the same headline.
That one is from 1989, and it's just an article in the journal Vaccine by Gerseron Talwar about his work on birth control vaccines.
Whichever it is that Alex is talking about, he's 0 for 11. Wow.
Yeah, pretty impressive.
jordan holmes
I mean, in a way, this is kind of impressive.
dan friesen
In a certain way.
unidentified
In a way.
jordan holmes
In a way.
In a very specific way.
dan friesen
If you're impressed by sloppiness, this is impressive.
jordan holmes
I mean, this is a master class.
dan friesen
You'd think you would hit one right.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
Well, no.
Because you know how there's 12 members of the Tribunal of the World?
jordan holmes
Oh, do we stop at 12?
dan friesen
No, here's number 12. Partners.
alex jones
Oh, ink cartridges sterilizing you.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
They don't have to, but they choose that chemical to sterilize men.
dan friesen
What?
I have no idea what Alex is talking about, and I don't care.
I don't give a shit.
I can't possibly imagine what Receipt Inc has to do with Alex's claim that the globalists are putting sterilants on the vaccines, and even what he's saying is 100% true, which I'm certain it's not.
It does not make his argument.
unidentified
He is 0 for 12. Crayons!
jordan holmes
Bad for your balls.
That's where we're at.
Might as well be.
dan friesen
Might as well be.
Yeah.
Unlucky number 13 coming right up.
alex jones
HCG found in who tetanus vaccine.
And it was confirmed, but there's all Snopes says, well, it's inconclusive.
Oh, yes.
The UN admits they ran trials of the sterilant in Kenya and paid women to do it.
Ten dollars.
dan friesen
So this is just the headline from that open access library journal paper put out by the two anti-vex weirdos.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The rest of the stuff is just Alex making up details to fit his narrative.
None of this shit's real.
He is 0 for 13. Wow.
Would you be surprised to learn that we get to 14?
jordan holmes
I would be.
alex jones
Oh, look at this.
The Sunday Guardian.
Ethical questions surround vaccine to reduce fertility.
Oh, and it's the HCG.
dan friesen
So this article claims that a clinical trial of a tetanus vaccine laced with HCG was going to be run in India, which it claims was announced in the journal Nature Medicine.
There's no link to the Nature Medicine article, but the article that he's referring to is not about a tetanus vaccine laced with HCG.
It's the same thing about the birth control vaccine that uses a tetanus backbone as a carrier.
It's the same misunderstanding misrepresentation in this Sunday Guardian article.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
The Sunday Guardian article is full of misrepresentations about the original birth control vaccine stuff, and the author is very clearly reporting erroneous anti-vax narratives, particularly about Kenya.
So I'm going to go ahead and say that this is just the same old shit.
Alex is 0 for 14. Man.
And that's where we end.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He made it to 14. That's, I mean, he's, you know, 14 out of 18 is way better than I would have expected.
dan friesen
A hundred percent.
jordan holmes
Way better than I would have.
Well, obviously, I was betting on four, so.
dan friesen
And that was the smart money.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's insane that he made it to 14. Yeah.
It's insane that we never will know what those other four were.
jordan holmes
Just like the four other members of the 12 that we'll never know.
dan friesen
There's layers here.
jordan holmes
Four, four.
What's four plus four minus two?
dan friesen
Six, six, six.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I was unimpressed by this.
jordan holmes
Were you?
dan friesen
I found that pretty much all of these articles were about birth control shots that were in development over the years.
They're various times.
Almost all of them involve that Gerseran-Tawar's research.
jordan holmes
It seems like all of these are actually the same article or people referencing the same stuff.
dan friesen
Not always the same article, but he's been someone whose entire career has been about these birth control studies and research.
So he's someone who keeps coming up like in 97 and 2002 and like all of these points in time, a lot of them do end up tracing back to his research.
But yeah, all of it is Alex trying to make this argument that the globalists are putting sterilants in vaccines and none of this demonstrates that in any way.
But of course he thinks he's proven his point and he has not.
I mean, if you didn't, if you're just passively paying, like not paying attention with him saying, Anti-fertility vaccines, you might get this thought of like, oh, you know what?
They're probably putting something that'll kill my balls in the MMR vaccine.
And that's not at all what's going on there.
But just the words anti-fertility vaccine could be taken a lot of different ways by people.
And that's what he's banking on.
He's just banking on people not paying attention, being like, oh my god, listen to this guy.
unidentified
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
It's weird that these people have gotten so nuts that it appears like, Professional people are studying them like they're a different subspecies.
Not subspecies, but just like they're studying them.
Yeah, it's like, where are these people coming from?
We need to understand this because they are unrecognizable.
dan friesen
If I didn't see people who fairly sincerely believe these things online and get messages from people about people they know who fall into these Modes of thinking.
I would have a very difficult time believing that anyone believed this shit.
Yeah, I know!
jordan holmes
It really is becoming like something happened that has rewired brains.
The internet fucked people up to such an extent.
dan friesen
Let's say it's 9-11.
jordan holmes
It's like, everything's nuts.
It's weird.
dan friesen
So Alex is done with this segment.
The 18. The hot 18. He comes back and he's got a message for Trump and a message for Bill Gates.
But he doesn't get to the message for Trump.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I'm not sure what his message to Bill Gates is other than...
jordan holmes
Put me in Volume 3!
I need to be in Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3!
dan friesen
I'm not sure if Bill Gates can help with that.
But I think his message to him is just a vague threat.
alex jones
Now is as good a time as any to have a message to Donald Trump and a message to Bill Gates.
And I respect Bill Gates.
And I respect President Trump.
Because they're both very intense, focused, dedicated individuals.
And so I don't want to say I kind of choke when trying to address them.
It's not that.
It's that I know they'll watch it.
And, you know, I need to measure my words very, very carefully because I don't say these things to be braggadocious or act powerful.
I want them to know, and I want Gates to know, That he's going to pay.
And not at my hands.
But nevertheless, it needs to be said.
And the thing is, something like that's so dangerous that I'm like a moth to flame.
I get very excited when I start doing the things that the Spirit wants me to do.
And so, I have to control myself, and I've promised to be very calm and focused today.
And I'm going to be calm and I'm going to be focused and I'm going to be a good boy.
That said, let me cut a three-minute ad right now.
We can run or we're going to go bankrupt.
We're going to do it right now.
Here it is.
jordan holmes
That's great.
unidentified
Oh, God.
That is great.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
unidentified
Bill!
Bill!
jordan holmes
Put your pink sweater on.
You gotta see this.
Alex Jones is telling some stuff.
Hold on.
He's gonna go to a real quick ad before he gets to your message.
dan friesen
And the way he's presenting that is almost like, look, I have to cut a commercial, but I don't want to do it when I'm not on air.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because I would have to stay late for work.
I don't like doing stuff outside of these.
Three hours that I'm on the air.
jordan holmes
I got a pretty sweet gig only working for three hours.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm gonna go fucking enjoy my opulence and, you know, you guys keep buying my pills and stuff, but I need to cut this commercial so you'll continue to buy my pills, but also, I don't want to do it later, so I'm gonna do it now, and then we're gonna get to how I hate Bill Gates.
jordan holmes
Man!
unidentified
I...
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
He does do a three-minute commercial, too.
jordan holmes
It really does.
It feels like there's...
This is just the flat-out Wild West of just one-man psychosis, just being like, there are no standards, there are no rules.
dan friesen
No shame.
jordan holmes
I've created my own universe where I'm always king, and I'm always the hero.
dan friesen
And I think that's what makes it so fascinating.
unidentified
It is.
dan friesen
I think that's why there's no one like him, because other people, even if they are hard-right, awful folks...
They generally are beholden to some sort of thing that will stop them.
Like, Tucker Carlson could get fired from Fox News.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
He would have, you know, he'd be able to make his own podcast or something, but we saw how well that worked for Bill O 'Reilly.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like, you know, they still have something that they need to do in order to make their money and all that.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
They still have bosses.
Even Glenn Beck, he has the blaze and stuff.
But, like, there are the billionaire donors that, you know, make that possible.
He's not going to, like...
Alex is just like...
It is free.
jordan holmes
It is really free.
dan friesen
It's bad.
jordan holmes
It's horrendous.
dan friesen
It's not a positive that it's free.
Yeah, that is what makes it interesting.
You know, if he wants to fuck around and do the world's worst proof ever, he can do that.
jordan holmes
He can do it.
dan friesen
If he wants to ramble about how Bill Gates is going to pay, great.
If he wants to do a whole episode about how he doesn't like men wearing pink sweaters, no problem.
No one's going to stop him.
And no one can stop him.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's wild.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's crazy.
dan friesen
Like, the freedom will be missed once he's gone.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But not much.
jordan holmes
No.
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Not much.
So, Alex is saying that Bill Gates is going to pay, and later he sort of revisits this point.
And there's something I really want to draw sharp focus to, and that is that Alex doesn't want offensive violence.
But...
But...
alex jones
And so, I don't want listeners to do anything offensively.
Because the enemy has killed common sense and will turn it into a heyday.
dan friesen
That's why.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Not because people will die.
alex jones
But my brain cannot be turned off.
And my brain is saying, son, you claim you're this guy that does the right thing and you're not a coward.
People are coming to inject you on purpose to sterilize you and your family.
And all these media people are going along with it, and they just keep looking for a fight.
They just keep asking for it, man.
dan friesen
So here's the thing that, like I said, I want to draw focus to.
Alex is very consistent, talking about how he doesn't want offensive violence.
And yet...
He does all of these things in order to make the argument pretty explicit in his audience's mind that any violence that you might do would actually be defensive.
unidentified
Because they're coming at you with these needles to sterilize you and your family.
dan friesen
They're going to kill you in a month if you don't act.
That kind of thing is to rationalize and to encourage people to engage in these acts of violence that we would obviously see as offensive.
Probably terrorist acts.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And Alex has reframed that in such a way as, no, it's defensive because they want to stick a needle in you.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's just how his rhetoric works and how he's able to tell himself that he's not encouraging terrorism.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he is.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, great.
unidentified
Yep, in service of the government murdering people.
dan friesen
Interesting.
jordan holmes
It is weird.
It is an ironic thing that their version of self-defense is murdering people because the government is trying, but then the larger government is on his...
dan friesen
It's weird.
jordan holmes
It's weird.
dan friesen
So Alex thinks he proved the vaccine stuff, and he says as much here.
alex jones
At the end of the first hour, I covered all the mainline admissions that the UN...
Since the 1980s has been testing sterilants inside vaccines in many cases on unwitting third world populations.
And so all the rumors about them adding HCG to the vaccines are absolutely true.
dan friesen
He didn't prove shit.
And that's, I mean, it's clear.
But Alex has, he feels like he's done his work for the day, but he's also still got a bunch of show left to do.
jordan holmes
He's still got two hours left.
dan friesen
He's still got a bunch of show left to do.
And that is not good.
Because he probably feels like he exerted himself quite a bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, oh no, I believe it.
dan friesen
And I think he's a little bit mad.
alex jones
In fact, we'll just go to that right now.
dan friesen
Special report.
unidentified
Of course.
alex jones
Give folks the number there on the list so they know where it is.
jordan holmes
I need Snickers.
alex jones
And it's Obamacate.
All roads lead to Wiener's Laptop.
Maybe I should just quit and shut the show down.
jordan holmes
Do it!
Do it!
alex jones
Maybe that's like...
jordan holmes
Do it!
alex jones
...the money drop here.
Because...
Everybody's just gotten comfortable with living under this evil.
You think I want to get up here and talk about some murdering kingpin?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Totally.
alex jones
And have them try to shut us down constantly?
You think this is a damn game?
You think it's a joke?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
This is not a game!
unidentified
This is all the other cowards and all the other followers and all the other BS!
alex jones
This is the real world!
dan friesen
Okay.
All right, Alex.
So he's going to quit in the middle of his show.
He's mad.
jordan holmes
What a child!
unidentified
He's so mad.
jordan holmes
This is so childish.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's very mad.
jordan holmes
I don't want kids.
I don't want to have a kid, and I don't want to deal with a child, and that's what we're dealing with.
dan friesen
Yeah, more or less.
So Alex continues on this theme of, I should just fucking quit.
This is bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is.
alex jones
Maybe I should just leave for a month.
Maybe that's the answer.
I'll just leave for a month, and just let everybody do whatever they want.
I can't sit here with stacks of UN reports on their own website how they're shooting Kenyans up to sterilize them and then turn on Snopes and they go, it doesn't exist.
I mean, those are damn criminals!
Those are our enemies.
unidentified
Why don't other people have five of them?
alex jones
Why is the fight going out of us?
That's a big question.
When did it happen?
How did it happen?
Oh, not having to fight in you means you're compliant.
I mean, I know so many men who are like 6 '1", 6 '4", big badass men.
jordan holmes
I'm 6 '1".
alex jones
They think it's powerful to grovel their girlfriend and act all passive and weak.
It's like it's a virtue because everyone pats them on the head.
Dude, you're being primed for destruction.
You're supposed to be a leader.
But you're not a leader.
But you can be five feet tall and a woman or five feet tall and a man.
If you want freedom and justice, you're a leader.
dan friesen
Act like it!
unidentified
Okay.
What?
dan friesen
That fell apart a little bit.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
What was the part at the end?
dan friesen
I think you should take a month off.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You can be six foot one and a man and strong.
And if you listen to your girlfriend and cater to her needs, you are a weak, willed, spineless.
Coward who's going to be taken over by the globalists.
You're going to be marched to a FEMA camp if you buy her flowers.
jordan holmes
Right, but if I'm five foot, I can be leader.
unidentified
If you're disrespectful and insist on everyone bowing to you, you can be a leader.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
That's a real perverse view of relationships.
dan friesen
Perhaps.
So he should leave for a month.
And I believe that even more after this, because he starts to sort of ruminate about, like, I know how to take care of all this, and of course, that's shooting people.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is just gross.
Spoiler alert.
Warning.
This is gross.
Not in any context or content way, just the noises Alex makes.
Prepare your ears.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
Complying with this thing doesn't empower anybody.
It's death.
And I'm just trying to figure out how to not comply with it.
I mean, I got a good idea how to fight it in the third dimension.
dan friesen
Guns.
alex jones
And that's really the quandary.
How long do you wait?
unidentified
God almighty.
John Brennan.
John Brennan.
We are coming for you, John Brennan.
Oh Let's go to this report.
alex jones
We'll come back with phone calls.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
I think if fantasies of murdering your enemies gives you sexual gratification...
dan friesen
It certainly seems more like he is having some sort of a gratification there than the times that he claims that, like, Bill Gates has a boner on TV or whatever.
But, look, dude, like...
I don't know.
I can't imagine working at Infowars and having this go on and be like, this is good stuff.
Alex is doing a great show today.
I'd be worried for the guy.
He's worrying me.
jordan holmes
Come home to your partner.
How was work today?
dan friesen
So good.
jordan holmes
Well...
unidentified
Gotta say, Alex killed it.
dan friesen
Started rambling about killing John Brennan.
Good stuff.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
He aimed to talk about 18 articles, got to 14. None of them made the point, he said.
jordan holmes
Well, you know those noises you don't want me to make anymore?
He did that, but about murder.
So, I don't know.
What are we having, chicken?
dan friesen
Yep, probably.
So, on our last episode, Alex promised a surprise that I don't think ever materialized.
And it had to do with that San Antonio City Council.
His narrative about it was that the San Antonio City Council had made it illegal to say China virus.
You're going to get arrested for it.
I theorized that it was a long report where he did his racist fentanyl the dragon character.
You had a different idea.
Do you remember what you said it was?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
You said it was like, send someone down there to yell China virus.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the only thing that makes sense to me.
dan friesen
And it turns out you were correct.
unidentified
Ah!
San Antonio, home of the Alamo, an American and Texas free speech, now hangs under a shadow of tyrants and communists.
Claiming there is no free speech in San Antonio.
There is free speech in San Antonio.
dan friesen
So he just goes around and yells China virus into a bullhorn.
unidentified
Cool.
Way to prove.
dan friesen
I didn't watch the video, but I think he must be in his car or something, because I don't know what the fuck he's at.
I don't hear...
From the parts of the report that I was listening to, I don't hear people yelling back at him or anything.
jordan holmes
He's just doing the Blues Brothers.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's very weird.
But anyway, you were correct on that.
I just wanted to give you a point for that.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
I'm two for three today.
dan friesen
Better than Alex.
So, Alex goes to calls, like he promised, and he takes a call from a guy who scares me a little bit, and he wants to know if there's any way forward without war.
unidentified
Do you believe that there is any possibility of us having a presence in this platform without actually having to go to some kind of war over this?
alex jones
No, sir, we're going to be completely taking off everything, and then they're going to start starving us to death, and they're going to send robots to kill us.
But at that point, their whole system is going to be collapsing.
Their people will be desperately trying to serve it more and more to prop it up, and the whole thing is going to go down.
unidentified
In today's world, violent crime can victimize anyone, anytime.
dan friesen
Cut off by the break.
Real bad clock management here.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
unidentified
You guys have two-thirds of the government already!
dan friesen
That's true, but the other third, globalists.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's fair.
We're going to have to go to war to get back the house.
dan friesen
No, it's get on Facebook and Twitter.
That's what he's mad about.
So, I mean, look, it's not good.
To talk to your audience, who are maybe not the most critical-minded folks, and they ask, is there anything possible other than war?
And your answer is no.
Because when you've already laid out all sorts of violence as being defensive in nature, I'm not for offensive violence, but defensive is totally cool, and a war is inevitable, what is stopping you from a reasoning perspective?
What's the difference between that and advocating?
You've got to do something.
Do you want the robots to come?
Do you want to be starved out until the robots come?
What are you going to do?
And that's the message that comes forth pretty clearly from Alex.
jordan holmes
Is there anything we could do to stop a war?
I don't know.
Listen to your neighbors?
No.
Okay.
Is there anything else we could do to stop a war?
unidentified
Eat your neighbors.
jordan holmes
No, I guess not.
dan friesen
Eat your neighbors.
jordan holmes
Eat them.
dan friesen
So Alex also has a suggestion that I think is really...
Fucked up.
And it's really weird to hear this coming from Alex in particular.
alex jones
Police officers that have refused to arrest people that run their own restaurants or own barbershops, they're being fired.
I mean, you know, I say you throw out the mayor and you make that police officer the mayor.
That's what we need is pro-human common sense people.
dan friesen
So Alex wants the police departments to take over.
They want to overthrow mayors and usurp the seat of the city.
jordan holmes
I do like that system.
I do like that system of succession.
unidentified
That's so crazy.
jordan holmes
Hey, that mayor is mean and I got fired for my job as a cop.
Well, I guess you're the new mayor.
Those are the rules.
dan friesen
Man, from Alex, that is almost unacceptable.
That's so weird.
Cops should take over the mayorships.
jordan holmes
Okay, but by that measure, though, then if the mayor was a right-wing guy and a cop was like...
And then he gets fired, then he becomes mayor.
And then that creates an endless circle of different cops becoming mayor on a day-to-day basis.
dan friesen
One thing that you're adding to this that I think isn't implied is fired.
You gotta get fired.
jordan holmes
You can't be a cop and a mayor at the same time.
dan friesen
I think it's cops taking over.
jordan holmes
Okay, well, I mean, yeah, essentially militarized police system committing a junta is bad.
dan friesen
Wouldn't that technically be sort of a form of martial law?
jordan holmes
It would be, absolutely.
dan friesen
I mean, it's not the military, but...
jordan holmes
Well, the police are militarized, yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, Alex made some documentaries about that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but it was about a road.
dan friesen
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
It's about that goddamn road.
dan friesen
Right, right, right, right.
So Alex says he ends this show on the 13th with an interview with a guest who I have not heard on before.
And the sound is terrible.
So I apologize for that in advance.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
Well, he heads up Yippee.com.
And I'm glad he came to Austin before he flies off to another meeting.
unidentified
Rich Granville is a really active person.
dan friesen
So I have no idea why the sound is so echoey or anything.
There's something wrong with their audio, and it's on their end.
It has nothing to do with us.
But anyway, Alex has this interview with the head of a search engine called Yippee, a guy named Rich Granville.
It's fun that Alex is buddying up with Rich, because in the past, let's just say he's been a gigantic QAnon supporter.
jordan holmes
Sure!
dan friesen
In 2019, Mother Jones reported on the Digital Soldiers Conference, which was organized by Rich Granville and featured General Flynn and Big Q promoters Bill Mitchell and Joy Villa.
The website promoting the event featured an American flag with the stars rearranged to make a Q. Boo!
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
Rich claimed that this very obvious QAnon reference wasn't a QAnon reference, though he did say that he doubted that Q was a conspiracy theory.
Rich also described his company Yippee as, quote, an intelligence enterprise with high-level White House ties.
When Mother Jones covered the weirdo conference of his, he apparently warned them, quote, you don't know who you're fucking with.
This was probably because Mike Flynn pulled out as a speaker after Mother Jones reported on the very obvious QAnon show.
jordan holmes
Alright, well there's that.
dan friesen
From the article, quote, I don't give a fuck about the deep state, he said.
If I could, I would shoot them in the head and throw them in shallow graves and let the dogs dig them up.
But I can't, because that's illegal.
At one point during the conversation, Granville abruptly asserted that his IQ was 172.
jordan holmes
Sure!
Why not?
dan friesen
Good stuff.
jordan holmes
Ah, Dan, the people most likely to scream at you for disrespecting the flag would love to turn it into a queue.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
Anyway, this dude is a queue profiteering weirdo who has this search engine.
If you remember the CPAC episode that we did, this is the search engine that Ivan Reiklin was trying to promote when it was his turn to give a speech.
If I understand the situation correctly, Rich and Yippee are big Flynn fundraisers.
That conference that he had, the digital soldiers, whatever, that was meant to raise money for Flynn's legal defense.
So that explains a whole lot.
It pretty well explains why Mike Flynn Jr. was at the CPAC event to begin with, since he was hanging out with a guy who was involved with a company that was putting on fundraisers for his dad.
And now, maybe they're sponsoring Alex's show, but probably not.
I mean, that would be really stupid.
That would be a real waste of money, even if you're a weirdo.
You've got to understand, it's not going to be a good return.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Anyway, here's a couple clips of this guy being a real fuckhead.
unidentified
And I think the United States can get through this.
You know, Europe's done right now.
They're finished.
jordan holmes
Really?
unidentified
The enemies are completely broken.
So the only way that we're going to get through this is through a God-chosen president like Trump, who is playing 3D chess at a level of superiority that no one else can even get to.
Like, they're so mad because he's so smart.
dan friesen
Yeah, that makes sense.
So yeah, Trump is a God-appointed, a God-ordained king.
Or whatever?
Oh, no, I'm sorry.
Just a president.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
I misspoke.
jordan holmes
God appoints presidents, but makes sure they adhere to a two-term limit.
dan friesen
I misspoke.
I'm sorry.
It was president.
Or did I?
unidentified
Absolutely.
Trump was ordained by God to be our king right now.
And that translates all the way down to his family.
alex jones
It was all the prayer of hundreds of years.
Like, Providence did that.
unidentified
Well, I mean, we went from a Luciferian scumbag like Obama.
dan friesen
Wow, okay.
Alright, here we go.
unidentified
I just can't understand.
jordan holmes
I can't do it.
I can't do it.
It hurts my brain.
dan friesen
Alex's whole shit should be no kings.
No kings.
He is super against kings.
jordan holmes
I am a...
I'm a dedicated constitutionalist and I care so much about the Second Amendment.
I am willing to throw away the entire Constitution and just have the Second Amendment and I want a king.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I want a king.
dan friesen
I mean, if he believed any of the things that he pretends to believe in, having this guy on, even if he believed in the same person as president that he does...
The guy saying he's a God-ordained king should be like, get the fuck off my show.
You can't support that.
Let's say it's 2012.
I'm doing a show like Alex is, but on the left or something.
I don't even know what that would look like.
I'm a big Obama supporter.
I think he's great.
I prove that he's in the office.
I think he's doing a lot of great things for the country.
Bye!
unidentified
Bye!
dan friesen
You are...
And Alex is just like, yeah, fuck yeah.
And he almost starts crying talking about how the prayers of hundreds of years have led to this.
They are so out there.
jordan holmes
I just wish that we were better able to cover these people because underneath so much of this shit is that kind of idea of...
And I do maintain the theory that it's because the right wing so pushed the idea that Obama was a dictator that...
They inadvertently created a right-wing that didn't think that dictators were bad.
They just wanted their own dictator.
dan friesen
You feel like there was a normalization through that?
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, because Obama wasn't a bad dictator.
If you're insisting that he was a dictator and you're one of these right-wing guys, you have to be honest and be like, my life didn't really change that much.
dan friesen
I guess one way you could deal with that is be like, well, maybe my ideas about this were wrong.
Or you could go the way you're describing and be like, bad dictators, maybe they work.
jordan holmes
Maybe they're good!
dan friesen
I don't think they would come to that conclusion consciously, but maybe on some subconscious level.
I don't know.
That's an interesting thought.
Maybe you should do some research on it.
jordan holmes
I will think about it.
dan friesen
But whatever the case, I mean, I don't know what combination of maybe something you're talking about.
Obsession to strongman leadership.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
All this, like, the perversion of individualism.
Whatever it is, like, this is what it comes to.
And you got a guy here, and Alex, sitting around talking about God ordaining Trump to be our king.
jordan holmes
There's nothing more individualistic than submitting yourself to a God-king.
Everybody knows that the way that you really separate yourself and become an individual is by...
unidentified
So, oh god, these people are fucking sad.
jordan holmes
I'm so saddened that they're winning.
dan friesen
Yeah, we have one last clip here, and it's this guy, yippee guy, yippee-ki-yi-yi, expressing that, you know, the globalists, they worship the devil.
And, by extension, this proves that God's real.
unidentified
Well, hey, if they're following Lucifer, then Christ must be real as well.
Right?
There's your double-edged sword.
dan friesen
That is a very bad level.
jordan holmes
IQ of 170, Dan.
dan friesen
172.
jordan holmes
Oh, sorry.
dan friesen
That is an insanely bad level of thinking.
Like, if the globalists do worship the devil, that doesn't prove the devil's existence.
jordan holmes
No, it does.
dan friesen
No, it doesn't.
jordan holmes
No, it does.
dan friesen
And if the devil exists, that doesn't prove God's existence.
jordan holmes
No, it does.
dan friesen
Proving God's existence doesn't necessarily prove the devil's existence.
jordan holmes
No, it does.
unidentified
None of these things are necessarily true.
dan friesen
It's just, oh my god, this level of thinking just...
You just hear it and you're like, I'm sorry, guy.
I don't even care.
I mean, I'm glad you're able to run a search engine.
I didn't check it out.
Maybe it's a good search engine.
I have no idea.
But if this is what you're bringing to the table, Trump is a God-ordained king.
And because the globalists worship the devil, that proves God's real.
I got nothing for you, and I gotta go.
jordan holmes
We're gonna need to create some sort of stronger way to deal with these people, because right now it seems like all we're doing is just going, ugh, this shit again.
And making fun of them on Twitter and doing all that shit, and there's so many opinion pieces written and all that, and there needs to be some sort of united front against this.
We can't allow them to just threaten everybody with violence while we mock them on Twitter.
dan friesen
I don't know that anything that you can do would really be effective unless we first deal with a shared reality.
There's no real way to deal with anything while realities are so distinct from each other.
Alex can do that reading 14 headlines instead of 18 as promised and thinking that he proves the point that he makes.
And that being acceptable in one reality.
Nothing I could do.
None of the conversation that we've had could possibly make a difference to that.
They're just different realities.
And until they're merged, until those realities, we come to a consensus of what is and what isn't real.
that I don't believe are real, but you might, are acceptable for us to disagree about.
Like, let's say I'm an atheist and you're someone who believes in Christianity.
is a perfectly acceptable way for me to not believe in a reality of something you believe is real and us to be okay with that and move along in our lives.
The shared reality doesn't have to extend to everything, but there's some real basics, and we're not living in a time Or a place right now where everyone shares the same reality, and the issues that you're bringing up I don't think can be dealt with until we do.
Because I always say education and critical thinking skills, and yeah, those are important.
jordan holmes
They're 20 years behind doing any good.
dan friesen
I think they'd still be helpful, and I think hopefully if you were to tackle some of those problems and work on them to an extent, I think that maybe it would help in making people understand shared reality.
But until that's more addressed, I just don't know what you can do.
And for now, there will be some people who think Trump is a God-appointed king, so who cares?
Whatever he does is great.
And that's really sad.
jordan holmes
That is really sad.
dan friesen
But, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
The end of the day.
We can all take pleasure in knowing that Alex was almost...
jordan holmes
Almost Star-Lord.
He was almost Star-Lord.
God, he would have been a great Star-Lord.
He's so emotionally vulnerable as well.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
What makes him a great actor is the way he's able to tap into all of those feelings.
dan friesen
Yeah, and the capacity for growth is really clear in Alex.
jordan holmes
No, he can portray a lot of different characters.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
No matter what.
Let's say Alex does decide to quit abruptly tomorrow and go away for a month and never come back or whatever.
We will always have that moment when you realize that what he was talking about was...
jordan holmes
It wasn't until he said Kurt Russell was in the second one because I was going through it and I was like, oh, he might be talking about Star Trek.
He might think...
dan friesen
2001 A Space Odyssey.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it could be fucking anything.
And then he was like, Kurt Russell's in the second one.
I'm like...
That is not real.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
That is unreal.
dan friesen
But it's amazing.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
dan friesen
And I appreciate it.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
dan friesen
Thank you, Alex.
In advance for our next episode, that is my bright spot.
jordan holmes
That is absolutely my bright spot.
dan friesen
And we'll be back, Jordan, on Monday.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
You bet.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
We are on Facebook.
jordan holmes
Indeed, and if you like down the show, go to iTunes, Patreon, if you would like, please donate to a local charity in your area, we would appreciate that.
dan friesen
You are correct.
We'll be back, but until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, I am Headlines 15 through 18. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
andy in kansas
Hello, Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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