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May 1, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#427: April 29-30, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan find out what happens in the days after Alex Jones threatened to eat his neighbors.  In this installment, Dan gets very bored with Alex's nonsense and Alex exposes how exclusionary his concept of "humanity" exactly is.

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alex jones
26:23
d
dan friesen
01:09:32
j
jordan holmes
28:31
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del bigtree
00:17
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
It's time to pray.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan!
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Let me ask you a quick question.
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
I don't know.
You go first.
jordan holmes
My partner and I, we rearranged our living room.
We got rid of the table that was there before we even moved in.
It was a giant hardwood table.
Took up all the space.
Rearranged it.
It's like we live in a new apartment.
I strongly recommend rearranging your place right now because it makes you feel like you went somewhere else, at least for a while.
dan friesen
You know what?
I'm going to say my bright spot's the same.
I rearranged my apartment as well.
I moved my bed to another location.
And I don't know why.
It's only a couple feet away from where it was.
So much less noise.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know how it's possible that in the same room there's so much less noise a couple feet away.
But my sleep has been much less impacted by it since I moved.
jordan holmes
That's awesome.
dan friesen
Yeah, furniture moving.
Both of our bright spots.
jordan holmes
Move it!
You're stuck in a place.
Make it feel like you're no longer stuck there.
dan friesen
I also just had to piggyback yours because I moved my bed like a week ago.
unidentified
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
It's not really current.
But the only thing I had in my mind was I had some pudding the other day.
And I feel like that's not good.
jordan holmes
That's not enough of a bright smell.
dan friesen
Pudding!
unidentified
It's good!
dan friesen
What kind of pudding?
I don't remember the brand.
It's whatever those...
Pudding cups.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Chocolate and vanilla.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right.
dan friesen
Swirl kind of thing.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
It was fine.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not deserving of a bright spot, though.
Moving my bed was, though.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we got an interesting episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about April 29th and 30th, 2020.
I'm Dan.
This is 2020.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
And it's, you know, I mean, it's pretty tough to follow up.
alex jones
I will eat you.
dan friesen
I don't know what you do with that.
jordan holmes
It's tough.
dan friesen
On the last episode, on the 28th, Alex is having a breakdown, yelling about how he's ready to eat his neighbors and dig the globalists out of their foxholes and eat them.
jordan holmes
Somebody has to.
dan friesen
And so no matter what he does, no matter how crazy it is...
It's going to be a disappointment.
And so I regret to inform you listeners, if you're expecting more cannibalism talk, you shan't find it here.
And for me, that emotionally disappoints me a tiny bit.
But there is still some stuff worth discussing as we track this dark, dark time for Alex and his business.
jordan holmes
See, now I'm looking forward to thinking, though, every time we hear him take a bite of sandwich while a caller's talking.
You know what that sandwich is.
dan friesen
It could be his neighbor.
jordan holmes
You know what that sandwich is.
dan friesen
We're going to need a wellness check on the neighbors.
jordan holmes
Nice little slice of person.
dan friesen
So we'll get down to business on this episode, but before we do, we've got to take a little moment to say thank you to some folks who signed up and are supporting the show.
So first, Austin.
Occupied Austin.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Occupied Austin.
dan friesen
Thank you, Austin.
Next, Peter.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thanks, Peter.
dan friesen
Thanks, Peter.
Next, Kyle Evan.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Kyle Levin.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Heather.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Next, John Six.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, John Six.
dan friesen
Next, Antiques with Raptors.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Antiques with Raptors.
dan friesen
Thanks so much.
And finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple of folks who signed up on an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So first of all, John L., thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
Laurel, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Cy Tetra, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you!
dan friesen
Thank you so much, John L. Thank you so much, Laurel.
And thank you so much, Sytetra.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much to the three of you.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoy the show, I'd like to support these gents too, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show, we would appreciate it.
Or, if you would like to, in...
jordan holmes
The same spirit?
dan friesen
Yes, you can find a local charity in your area that is helping people who are in need and donate to them.
jordan holmes
Yes, we would appreciate it if you did either.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, we've got to take a quick little detour here to check.
Again, with the year of the seltzer, which is going strong, going like gangbusters.
At this point, 25 seltzers deep.
We're ahead of the curve.
jordan holmes
Notebook page filled.
dan friesen
Well, here's the thing.
I know that eventually it's going to slow down.
So you've got to hit the ground running.
You've got to get as much road behind you as possible.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And so, you know, today I got a highlight and a low light.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'll be honest.
I found a number of varieties of a brand called Sparkling Ice at the grocery store.
jordan holmes
Is that made by Natty Ice?
dan friesen
No, but I have to report.
No offense to Sparkling Ice.
They're all terrible.
jordan holmes
So it was made by Natty Ice.
dan friesen
It very well could be.
They're all lacking in flavor.
They're all just ugh.
And the thing that really got me, the thing that attracted me to them was I was looking at the flavors they had and they had a black raspberry and a blue raspberry.
jordan holmes
That's more raspberries than I know.
dan friesen
Why do you have two different raspberries?
And so I tried them and they're both trash.
jordan holmes
Do they have a regular raspberry?
dan friesen
I did not see one at the store, but I don't know.
jordan holmes
Swing and a miss.
dan friesen
Those were 32 and 33 out of 100, respectively.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's bad.
dan friesen
I did finish them, though, so that's something.
And then highlight, honorable kind of mention, is Perrier.
Got Perrier strawberry and orange, and they're both great.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Very crisp.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah, good.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Good.
Both coming in at 74 out of 100.
jordan holmes
Ooh, equal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Because they're just like, they're good.
They have a strong crispness that a lot of these seltzers I've been trying are lacking.
jordan holmes
Do you feel like 75 is a benchmark?
Yeah, that's why they're 74. That's what I was thinking.
There's only one reason they'd be 74 is if 75 was another level.
dan friesen
I couldn't emotionally put them at 75. I felt like that would be too meaningful.
And they aren't mind-blowing.
There's nothing really ooh about it.
But they're good.
I would drink those.
Any time.
jordan holmes
Steady.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
For sure.
And I feel like that's deserving of a 74. However, sparkling ice.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I'm not going to go back to it.
jordan holmes
No, thank you.
dan friesen
I'm not looking forward to it.
I have three more of them in the fridge.
Three other flavors.
jordan holmes
I'm waiting for you to start tossing seltzers out the window when you're done with them.
dan friesen
The day may come that people have to look out for falling seltzer.
So, Jordan, this has been the year of the Seltzer Report.
Now, let's get down to it.
I gotta tell you, right off the bat, the first half hour of April 29th's show is nothing.
It's nothing.
There is just Alex sort of saying all the normal-ass stuff that he says all the time, like, liberals are evil, globalists are evil, liberal cities are run by demons.
jordan holmes
Dangerous.
dan friesen
I found it completely useless.
And it was quite a ways into the episode before I found anything that even resembled something worth talking about.
alex jones
I am absolutely understanding that you cannot save the general society.
You can reach out to some people, try to wake them up, that's great, but you gotta move on.
People ridicule you, they attack you, they're already too far gone, folks.
Just dust off your feet, let the dead bury the dead.
Do not waste your time on them.
Build up those that do care.
Build up those that do have a chance.
Build up yourself.
Because I know as a person that loves God, and I know you love God as well, that you really feel for people you can't wake up.
Broadcast the information everywhere, but just move on from that point.
If they want to stay behind in this system, this doomed system, that's their issue.
We've got to protect ourselves.
And it's been the season of generally trying to wake folks up before this got here.
And now, if folks aren't awake now, you need to just move on.
And let me tell everybody else this.
Those of you that want to be in a bigger house or those of you that want to still be at the country club, that's all going to be gone soon.
And by the time the general public figures out that that America's gone with the wind and ain't ever coming back, folks, America broke its contract with God, with Roe v.
Wade.
The judgment's coming.
So, once the general public figures out that we're in a long, prolonged, dystopic, high-tech depression that just gets worse and worse and worse for many, many, many years out into the future, they're going to freak out and be dangerous as hell.
You think you're seeing freak out and increased crime now, which has exploded?
Armed robberies, murderers, and all the blue states are up like 35 to 50-something percent.
It's going to be 500 percent.
2,000%.
You're going to see hell on earth, in my view.
dan friesen
So what I hear there, first of all, at the beginning of the clip, he's talking about, like, it's no longer the season for trying to wake people up.
Your show seems useless then.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you should go away.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't understand why you're here.
dan friesen
I thought the whole point of this is an information war, where you're trying to wake up people.
jordan holmes
There's no need for information anymore.
dan friesen
I guess the show is now just like, okay.
I'm going to be talking to you while you're in your bunkers.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Which is a really unhealthy kind of thing.
jordan holmes
I think it's now an information withdrawal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, if it's no longer about waking people up, then you're preaching to the choir only?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay, whatever.
So also, most sources you can find about crime rates, you know, the...
That you can find, particularly right now, they provide caveats in these reports.
Like how you can't necessarily attribute any changes in rates to the immediate circumstances without further study.
So any person doing that would be kind of acting hastily.
So just off the bat, Alex at the end there is on shaky ground.
That said, a March 25th story out of WGN discussed crime rates in Chicago and found that, quote, murders were down 29% and shootings were down 19%.
Also later in the article, they discuss how burglaries are down 23%.
On April 3rd, The Hill reported on the drop of crime in crime that's been seen in New York.
Quote, the New York Police Department said Thursday that crime across all five of the city's boroughs and within the transit system and public housing fell nearly 20% from March 12th to 31st.
In the second half of last month, murder decreased 25%, robberies fell by 10%, and grand larcenies dropped by 37%.
There's some shoddy reporting on these statistics, so you will find posts on blogs talking about a jump in crime, but what they're doing is misrepresenting things.
New York has seen an increase in crime when you look at the year-to-date figures as compared to the same first quarter numbers for 2019.
That is true.
However, it's irrelevant to discuss that when your point is trying to determine the effect of these stay-at-home orders and that sort of thing.
Because in the period of time since then, crime has dropped drastically.
jordan holmes
You can only compare stay-at-home time with that length of time in the previous year, basically.
dan friesen
Or compared to prior to the initiation.
jordan holmes
No, that's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
But again...
Tracing a causal link between it is hasty.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Also, in that same article in The Hill, they discuss LA crime statistics.
Quote, Homicide in California's largest city fell by almost 43%, while rape dropped by about 37%, and robbery declined by 14%.
I don't see any evidence that there's a giant surge in crime, and even if it were, that would be a massive contradiction of one of Alex's other big narratives.
For years, Alex's primary love has been the gun.
It's his one true passion, and it's an InfoWars axiom that when there are more guns around, there is less crime, because the criminals know that you have a gun, and therefore they'll leave you alone.
March 2020 was the biggest month ever for gun purchases.
The FBI ran 3.7 million background checks, which was an over 1 million increase from March 2019.
According to a USA Today fact check, this number of background checks indicates an estimated 2.5 million gun purchases, which would represent an 85.3% increase year over year.
So there are so many more guns being sold into the hands of Americans, and according to Alex, this should lead directly to a decrease in crime.
However, he's invested right now in scaring his audience, so he's completely ignoring the increased gun sales, and he pretends the crime is soaring.
He's basically just creating his own fabricated reality for his audience to live in that's so fake that it even contradicts his own already established fantasy world.
It's wild.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there is one thing he was right about, though, which is that we broke our covenant with God when Roe v.
Wade happened.
dan friesen
That was when it happened?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Did you not hear the stories?
They ruled on it, and then the next day, the Ark of the Covenant, which, as we all know, was hidden deep inside the Smithsonian, just exploded.
That's what happened.
dan friesen
Why doesn't Alex at least get interesting with it and be like, we broke our covenant with God when we ended Prohibition?
Why doesn't he at least go with a different thing than the...
Like, generic, cookie-cutter, extreme right-wing Christian.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Come on, man.
Do better, Alex.
You said you were going to eat people yesterday.
jordan holmes
We broke our covenant with God at Woodstock.
That's when it happened.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That first time Jimi Hendrix played at Woodstock, it was over.
dan friesen
People are not supposed to listen to bands in mud.
This is in...
The Bible.
jordan holmes
And they were punished in Woodstock 99. Everybody knows this.
dan friesen
So Alex gets to talking about this.
I think what we hear him say and what him advocate for is separatist communities.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Folks, you want to be scared?
They're going to release real bioweapons.
So I'm just telling people, you better get yourself together.
You better get together with your family.
You better do some research.
And you better get your asses, like the pilgrims did, out of corrupt Europe to the new world.
And the new world is the countryside.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
jordan holmes
And the pilgrims were kicked out.
alex jones
These big cities are going down.
And it is really, really sad.
But America is too satanic.
It's too far gone.
You just got to get together with your people and protect yourselves.
Because it's going to be absolutely hellish.
And you want to remove yourself from anywhere around leftist.
And I wouldn't try to wake them up.
I wouldn't even try to talk to them.
They're gone, man.
They are Satanist, period.
A good place to start is high-quality, swirable foods.
jordan holmes
Damn!
Damn!
I should have seen that coming!
I should have seen that one coming.
dan friesen
Of course you should have.
jordan holmes
I really should have seen that one coming.
I still missed it.
dan friesen
It's amazing that three years in, you can still be, like, T-boned by an ad break.
jordan holmes
You can still hit me with an ad pivot so hard.
dan friesen
Ah, yep.
jordan holmes
I'm just eternally optimistic that there won't be one.
dan friesen
There's some fact checks here.
One of them being that the countryside is not the new world.
Those places are still under the laws.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know.
There are some places in Idaho where you don't need to worry about that shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, I feel like this is a pretty unhealthy development for Alex to be calling for people to just create their own autonomous zones.
jordan holmes
I'm kind of fine with it.
dan friesen
I'm definitely not.
jordan holmes
Here's what I say.
dan friesen
Historically, it does not end well.
jordan holmes
Here's what I propose.
We allow this to happen.
We give them Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota.
dan friesen
Ah, no.
jordan holmes
No, we can't do that.
dan friesen
I don't want to give the Patriots Dakota.
jordan holmes
We give them Arizona.
dan friesen
I love Arizona.
It's gorgeous.
jordan holmes
But we can do without it.
dan friesen
No, we can't.
unidentified
Arizona, the Southwest is a fantastic country.
jordan holmes
All right.
Then we give them Quebec.
Can we do that?
dan friesen
I don't think we can do that.
No, no.
And the Quebec Wall would be very mad at you for suggesting that.
jordan holmes
They would be furious.
dan friesen
Get a spruce beer thrown at you.
jordan holmes
We can give them Idaho.
dan friesen
We're not trading regions.
jordan holmes
We're trading regions.
dan friesen
That's the plan.
That's not what's happening.
I don't know.
I think it's a weird development.
And I think the fact that we're hearing Alex sort of discussing the info wars over fucking Stark compound.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Not good.
Seems like probably we should have seen it coming.
It seems like definitely what you would expect someone like Alex to eventually...
jordan holmes
I mean, they are kind of cosplaying a zombie apocalypse with this whole virus thing, so why not do the next step of zombie apocalypse and build yourself an armored redoubt to keep all the hordes of leftists out?
dan friesen
I think that's one piece of it, and then the other piece of it, too, is that Alex's career started in co-opting the tragedy at Waco for his own sort of use, and it only kind of makes sense that That inevitably once he started to get into a place where things were looking bad he would seek to create more Wacos.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does sound exactly how it would go.
dan friesen
Maybe that's overly simplistic of me, but it almost has a narrative resonance, sort of a mirroring of the beginning and what appears to be the beginning of his end.
jordan holmes
Complete the loop.
Yeah, the story circle.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I hope that's not what comes to pass.
jordan holmes
It would be nice if that didn't happen.
First of all, Janet Reno isn't around to protect us anymore.
dan friesen
I don't know if anybody would appreciate you saying she protected us.
jordan holmes
I was being sarcastic.
dan friesen
What's going on in the world right now is a challenge for people.
But if you're Alex, what you see it as is the culmination of decades of his life.
This is what it's all been about the whole time.
And later, if he says something different, don't worry about it.
alex jones
Do you understand, folks?
What you're seeing is Decades of research and decades of people supporting and decades of work to be at this point right now.
This isn't about me.
This is everything we did.
And again, that isn't about kissing your ass.
You have to understand this is what you did.
And I'm not going to let you down here at the last moment.
In fact, I mean, I'm pleased actually to do this.
I'm just like, God, can you make it quick?
Can they just kill me?
And they're like, no, you're going to get tortured in prison, buddy.
I'm like, all right, I'm ready for that.
So I always knew this was coming.
And I always knew it.
I'm going to take it.
Now, they roll me out as a vegetable, and they got a chip in my head, and I'm saying stuff that is.
They got chips now.
They can put it in.
They'll make you, like, literally, it's a word chip.
They'll make you say whatever you want.
jordan holmes
Microsoft word chip.
alex jones
This is me.
This is who I am, and this is what I stand for.
Not what they destroy me or use me.
That's my body.
My spirit's going to be gone.
dan friesen
That is so perfect as a narrative to establish for when you say things that totally contradict yourself later.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's so great.
jordan holmes
Totally.
I love that.
dan friesen
Whenever I cut a deal or something and try and save my own ass and save my money or whatever, it's a computer chip.
jordan holmes
It's a computer chip.
dan friesen
They've gotten to me.
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
You know what's worse is that they download the whole Microsoft suite in there, so you gotta get Excel, you gotta get the...
dan friesen
I never use PowerPoint.
jordan holmes
I never!
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's still there.
jordan holmes
How dare they make me say that I use PowerPoint?
dan friesen
I think that's brilliant.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
For someone who knows that eventually he's going to have to contradict himself.
jordan holmes
Disavow everything he's ever said.
Yeah, exactly.
I really appreciate that.
dan friesen
If I'm ever called to answer for my transgressions, that's not what's going on.
I have a chip in it.
jordan holmes
I do like that.
That's legend building.
That allows you to maintain the legend of your 20 years of service while at the same time just being like, gotta go.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex is talking about how I'm setting things up because this shit's over.
This shit is going down.
And then he uses a metaphor or I guess an aphorism.
You know, sort of an idiom.
That's what I was looking for.
jordan holmes
That's a good word.
dan friesen
Completely wrongly.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I just am kind of like, at the end of this, because this could be the end, folks, just trying to make accounts with people and just try to set things up and just say, hey, let's get the deck chairs rearranged on the Titanic, because here's the news you need to know, folks.
It's all going down.
dan friesen
So rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic is an expression that's used to describe something that is...
Pointless.
jordan holmes
100% useless.
Yes.
dan friesen
So he's talking about his, like, final arrangements, like, hey, we gotta rearrange these deck chairs on the Titanic.
The Titanic's sinking.
The deck chairs don't matter.
unidentified
That's why that expression, he doesn't understand the meaning of phrases.
jordan holmes
Listen, we gotta pick up our violins and play on the Titanic until the end.
That's what we gotta do.
dan friesen
We have to make sure we do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
It's as if he thinks that, like, the people on the Titanic had a checklist, and it was like, well, I gotta rearrange those deck chairs before we get out of here.
Or, on the off-chance, this boat sinks.
We don't want it to be in disorder when it sinks.
jordan holmes
What, is it gonna look terrible?
unidentified
When James Cameron comes down here, the chairs had better be arranged.
jordan holmes
That is one thing he noticed.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If you remember in Titanic, that was very clear.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's funny to me when he uses these expressions, and it's just like, well, that's the opposite of what that means.
But ultimately, I do kind of feel like it's accurate.
Just not the way he wants it to be.
This is all rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Whatever is happening in his world is happening.
And there's not much he can do, I don't think, at this point to right the ship.
He's hit the iceberg.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is that voice in his head going, Let me out!
I'm saying what you need to say!
For you!
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex is talking about how the world, the...
Bad things that are happening and what's going to happen in the future as he foresees it.
We all deserve it.
But if you really listen to it and you listen to his show with some regularity, I think you really can understand that he just thinks that he deserves some sort of punishment and he's projecting that on everybody else.
alex jones
Let me out!
We're adults.
We've got a lot better chance than a baby that's just in there waiting to see the universe.
And here comes the acid bath.
Here comes the knives.
Here comes the vacuum cleaner shoved in the back of its head.
And so whenever you feel sorry for yourself, when you're strapped down on a table and they're pulling your teeth out or whatever it is, remember, babies went through this.
So you've got to take your licks.
Because we summoned this.
With all the devil worship and the corruption and the abortion and the pedophilia, we ask for this, and God gives you what you want.
dan friesen
So, like, Alex clearly has just so much unresolved issues surrounding the fact that he was involved in and paid for multiple abortions when he was younger.
He has not been able to healthfully process that, clearly.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
I mean, he's talked about it...
A ways back, and he said it was like 10. On our last episode, he said it was like 15 or 20. Who knows what the reality of this is?
Or even if it's that high.
Maybe it's one.
jordan holmes
Who knows?
dan friesen
But whatever the case is, there's clearly some kind of unresolved psych issue there.
He has an intense amount of guilt surrounding that.
He pretends he's forgiven himself and God is taking care of everything, but clearly not.
And that is being put on everybody else.
We all deserve this.
It's fucked up.
It's not appropriate.
jordan holmes
As far as narcissism goes, the idea of guilt towards your own actions bringing death and despair across everybody else, pretty sure that that would qualify.
I was just thinking that there's an alternate universe out there where Alex Jones has 15 to 20 kids just out there.
dan friesen
But again, that's taking him in his words.
jordan holmes
No, I know.
And obviously we can't do that.
But that thought really...
Weirded me out for a second there.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That would be strange.
dan friesen
That would be pretty strange.
I don't think his life would have gone the same way as it has.
jordan holmes
I doubt it.
I very much doubt it.
dan friesen
I would assume that there are certain realities that that would bring into your life that would present difficulties.
Considering he would also then have like, I don't know, 15 or 20 people he's paying child support to.
jordan holmes
All that makes me think is there would be 15 to 20 more lawsuits on him right now.
dan friesen
Yep.
So this show sucks.
This episode is garbage.
Almost the first hour is pointless, rambling nonsense.
And things that if we brought it up, we'd just be talking about stuff we've talked about repeatedly.
So I don't really have all that much I want to get into on this episode.
And it ends with about an hour or so with a guest.
And this guest is a dick.
It's just anti-vax nonsense.
He's talking to a guy named Del Bigtree, and we've talked about him before, and I only have one clip from this because I think it's just something important to call out.
alex jones
Why is telling the truth more valuable than the Ferrari or the seven-bedroom?
It's like telling the truth is the real currency.
del bigtree
Well, I would like to think that that's what draws all people to journalism, right, and into investigation.
Unfortunately, the system's set up where you're, I mean, I think there's a lot of reporters like me that are stuck in the system where they're not allowed to say or do what they want to do.
alex jones
They're working for somebody else.
unidentified
And so I have freed myself from that, and I've been involved.
del bigtree
And luckily, people support the work that I do.
alex jones
And what a saga, though.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
There, Del is bragging about how he's independent, and if other journalists weren't working for these media companies, they'd be free to tell the truth like he does.
This is a fun thing to say, but he's not independent.
Not by a long shot.
When Dell says that there are people that support his work, he wants the audience to hear that as him saying that there are people who make small donations that make it possible, like our listeners.
Thank you so very much.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
But the reality is that there are two people who support his work, named Bernard and Lisa Sells, who are hedge fund multi-millionaires who bankroll a lot of the anti-vax propaganda that you see in the world.
Bernard runs the Sells Foundation, S-E-L-Z, which dispenses money to, quote, charitable causes that he supports.
Through that foundation, he provides approximately 75% of the funding for the Informed Consent Action Network, which is an anti-vax outlet that's run by his wife, Lisa Sells, and Del Bigtree.
The Sells Foundation helped fund the, quote, documentary Vaxxed, which was produced and co-written by Del Bigtree and focused on the flawed and discredited work of Andrew Wakefield.
Without the direct funding of the Sells Foundation, Del Bigtree would be a dum-dum with a blog.
He's only able to do the damage that he does because of the support of multi-millionaire benefactors.
But he's also smart enough to know better than to discuss that because it makes it super fucking obvious what his role in the world is.
So he comes on Alex's show and pretends that he's this independent guy.
Thankfully, people support my work.
Go fuck yourself, Del Big.
jordan holmes
You know, the problem with a lot of journalists is that they're, you know, they're working for other people, and I just want to be grateful.
I'm really supported by two people only, and I just really want you guys to know there is no conflict of interest there at all.
dan friesen
I'm positive he gets some grassroots support, but it's probably negligible to the amount that comes through those foundations.
It's gaslighting.
It's abusive to be like, yeah, I'm independent.
No, you're not.
Fuck off.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because that demeans the work of other journalists so much.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Anybody who disagrees.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So Alex comes back on the 30th, and I should say that this is the day that there is another hearing in his bankruptcy case.
Sure.
And according to documents that I've found from the court, I'm keeping up on the case.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
At this hearing...
Alex's ex-wife had filed a motion for Alex's entire estate and all of the entities that he owns to be put in the hands of a trustee.
So at this point, when Alex is on air on the 30th, his lawyer is taking part in this case.
Through the time that he's on air, there is a chance.
Now, granted, spoiler alert, ultimately the court ends up deciding that it's premature in the case to get a trustee involved.
So they did reject that motion.
But it was rejected without prejudice, which means it can be reintroduced.
I don't know if that is part of Alex's mindset, but I don't know how it couldn't be.
There's a small chance, there's a small possibility that while he's on air, everything he owns, the title will be taken and given to a trustee appointed by the court.
jordan holmes
That is a nerve-wracking day.
unidentified
It seems like it would have to be.
jordan holmes
It's a scary day.
Yeah.
Not least of which, because he might get the call while he's on air.
unidentified
True.
jordan holmes
Whoa, man.
dan friesen
And there's an added element to this, too, that like...
This is going to go on a while, I think.
This case, or this court proceeding, isn't going to be resolved anytime soon.
But I don't feel like there's any way it's not part of what's fucking him up.
I don't know.
Some people have speculated, they've reached out and thought that like...
Roger Stone's arrest warrant shot released.
The DOJ released that arrest warrant.
And people were worried about that being what Alex was kind of worried about and some sort of criminal prosecution regarding that.
I don't think that's the case.
I think it would have happened by now if there was any kind of a charge.
I don't know, but I can't get my mind around the idea that the immediacy, the doom, is somehow related to...
Something about that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I find it hard to believe that having a sort of Damocles literally atop your head wouldn't affect you psychologically in some way.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And one that you refuse to talk about.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You keep talking about how there's stuff behind the scenes going on that you can't talk about and that, well, there's one thing that I definitely know is going on behind the scenes that you refuse to talk about.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Seems...
Like a candidate.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Whatever happened to releasing the names of those QAnon guys?
dan friesen
Didn't happen.
jordan holmes
Didn't happen?
How about the computer chip?
dan friesen
Didn't happen.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
What else has he got?
dan friesen
He said he was going to sue the Associated Press.
jordan holmes
That's right.
dan friesen
Did that happen?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Said he was going to sue all sorts of people.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Didn't happen.
jordan holmes
Not happening.
dan friesen
No.
So we start here on the 30th, and Alex is pretty extreme about what he thinks is going to happen if you...
You know, once there's a vaccine.
jordan holmes
Oh, candy.
alex jones
They're establishing Maoist-style brigades across Europe and the United States that will be the general public in uniforms enforcing forced inoculation.
They're going to use peer pressure to do it, and they're going to use a medical tyranny because they can claim that it's, quote, ideological.
Now, this is exactly what I would do if I was going to be taking over like this.
dan friesen
Oh yeah, that's probably why you're saying they're doing it, is because you imagine that's what you would do as opposed to anything real.
So he's just scaremongering about discussions that governors have had about how in the future, if we're able to ease some of the closures and social distancing measures...
We will return to more of a containment model as it relates to the coronavirus.
This will entail an increase in the need for people to be employed in the process of contact tracing, which is to say that when there are cases of the virus that pop up, people will be needed to investigate possible people they could have accidentally exposed to the virus.
It's almost a job creation measure.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
Provided there's oversight and all that, which actually would be creating more jobs.
jordan holmes
Well, you know, depends on who's doing the oversight.
dan friesen
Sure.
And that's a relevant question and something worth keeping an eye on.
But if Alex wants to compare that to the Red Guards, that's his choice.
But it seems a little overly dramatic.
jordan holmes
It might be.
It might be.
That's possible.
But I would say, why not?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Sure!
dan friesen
So Alex gets to rambling, and he brings up his favorite book, and I gotta say, don't think he knows much about his own favorite book.
jordan holmes
Where the Red Fern Grows?
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
Oh.
When I read, none dare call it conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, that's right.
alex jones
It was written the year I was born.
1974.
And I went and looked up at the library, the articles that it quoted.
With David Rockefeller praising communism and Mao Zedong and saying that he was going to bring communism to America, I was blown away.
dan friesen
Blew his mind, my man.
jordan holmes
I very much doubt he went to a library.
I further doubt that he looked up anything.
And I greatly doubt that had he done either of those things that I don't think he did, that he actually read those articles.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
There's an issue here.
dan friesen
Also, I should tell you that Nundere College Conspiracy didn't come out in 1974.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
It was published in 1971.
jordan holmes
Why would I think?
dan friesen
But Alex is trying to say that it came out the year he was born because I think that he believes that it's some kind of a sign of a cosmic plan.
That was the year that these two really important pillars of the human resistance were both unleashed or some shit.
That's kind of my sense of it.
He's trying to overly dramatize this whole thing.
There's meaning behind it.
Whatever.
jordan holmes
I got that vibe.
dan friesen
It's like me saying, I was born in 1984 because I'm Orwell or something.
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Wait, are you?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Alex is misrepresenting what is in Nundere Call a Conspiracy.
There are references to articles about David Rockefeller trying to open up trade with the Soviet Union and China, who the book calls the Reds.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
But in terms of what Alex is describing, it comes up a little bit short.
Just to give you some idea of the level of shit that's in that book, and one day, hopefully soon, we will do a full-on breakdown of that book, but just to give you a little taste.
Here's a passage of what the author, Gary Allen, just decides to suggest that David Rockefeller did, namely that he was Nikita Khrushchev's boss, based on, quote, a strange event which occurred in October of 1964.
From the text, quote, David Rockefeller, president of the Chase Manhattan Bank and chairman of the board of the Council on Foreign Relations, took a vacation in the Soviet Union.
This is a peculiar place for the world's greatest imperialist to take his vacation since much of the communist propaganda deals with taking all of David's wealth away from him and distributing it to the people.
A few days after Rockefeller ended his, quote, vacation in the Kremlin, Nikita Khrushchev was recalled from a vacation at the Black Sea Resort to learn that he had been fired.
How strange!
Exclamation point.
As far as the world knew, Khrushchev was the absolute dictator of the Soviet government, and more important, head of the Communist Party, which runs the USSR.
Who has the power to fire the man who is supposedly an absolute dictator?
Did David Rockefeller journey to the Soviet Union to fire an employee?
Obviously, the position of Premier in the Soviet Union is a figurehead, with a true power residing somewhere else, perhaps in New York.
jordan holmes
I really don't feel like that's enough evidence to prove it.
I think there's a lot of insinuation.
dan friesen
Yeah!
jordan holmes
And maybe even circumstantial evidence that...
Doesn't prove his point.
Yeah.
dan friesen
In reality, Leonid Brezhnev had been trying to remove Khrushchev from power since at least March 1964.
He'd organized a conspiracy which he put into action in October when Khrushchev was on a vacation, after which Brezhnev rose to power, staying so until his death in 1982.
David Rockefeller had gone to Moscow, and he did meet with Khrushchev in July 1964, but there's absolutely zero evidence that his visit has anything to do with Khrushchev's removal from power.
Past people like Gary Allen just speculating that it was related.
It wasn't a vacation, as Gary Allen suggests, and it didn't happen in October.
also, as Gary says.
He's just wrong, because he's not basing this on facts, but on anti-communist conspiracy lore.
Suffice it to say that there's been a lot of information that's come out about this meeting between Khrushchev and David Rockefeller over the years, and the claim that it has anything to do with Khrushchev's ouster is completely unsupported by the historical record, but it doesn't matter to someone like Gary Allen.
His book is meant to be persuasive, so you can see how he peppers his argument with leading questions that are meant to make the reader feel like they themselves are putting the pieces together, when in reality they're being fed a load of bullshit.
jordan holmes
How strange!
Exclamation mark.
dan friesen
It's the same thing that makes QAnon so seductive for people.
It gives them a propaganda narrative, but simultaneously allows them to pretend that they're actually the investigators putting pieces together.
It's written intentionally to be read by people with less than advanced reading skills, and with a style that's so suggestive and repetitive that it drives points into impressionable minds while maintaining an illusion that the suggestible mind is actually doing some kind of work to arrive at what is a predetermined conclusion.
jordan holmes
It's a book that keeps saying, look at how smart you are.
dan friesen
Yes, 100%.
jordan holmes
Look at how smart you are.
You put together the things that I intend.
Continuated.
I didn't do it.
I just gave you certain facts and you're the one who drew the conclusions from them.
All I said was, how strange!
Without a question mark!
dan friesen
And it also distills things down into easily, oh, look at this, overly repeated little sound bites, more or less, in the text to make you remember them more.
It's very manipulatively written.
And we do need to do that episode.
But it won't be one episode.
That's the problem.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's gotta be a whole thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, it'll be like ten episodes long or something.
That's the one thing that's holding me back from it, is like, how long it would be.
But we'll do it.
Especially during this lockdown, man.
We could do it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
Here's the thing that bothers me about that, is that it takes agency away from the Russians who, let's face it, know how to coo the fuck out of shit.
In the past 150 years, there have been like 40 coups!
They know how to coup, man!
They don't need Rockefeller around!
dan friesen
Nah, Rockefeller wanted to fire Khrushchev because apparently he liked Brezhnev or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Who cares?
All that's nonsense, but that blew Alex's mind when he was young because he didn't go and look into anything.
jordan holmes
Because he was 12. Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex, on the last episode, on April 29th...
Alex was talking about how what's going on now is the culmination of all of his career.
And it turns out it's not just his career.
It's all of human history.
alex jones
This is not an exercise in courage.
It's an exercise in survival for the species.
If I survive another 20 years groveling to these people, that's a living death.
But if I die and the species makes it to the next level, then it's total success.
Our entire species history is now bet on this moment now.
We cannot give up on what we were and who we will be.
dan friesen
So what do we do?
jordan holmes
It comes down to whether or not Alex lives or dies.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
It sounds like that, but what he is saying is that there's something that needs to be done, and if it's not done and he survives for 20 years, who cares?
If I die achieving this thing, then hooray.
jordan holmes
I am going to shut down that fucking road for the last time!
I'm taking Texas' roads with me!
dan friesen
Is it destroying the UN?
He fails on a lot of specific levels.
You know, like, what is it?
To be done.
Well, it's destroy the globalists.
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
Here's my question.
If his idea of what we should do is retreat into these communes, I mean, I'm sorry, not communes, whatever they mean.
Don't call it a cult.
Then how is it that he would not survive?
Do you know what I'm saying?
His whole idea is for him to live as long as possible.
dan friesen
By retreating?
jordan holmes
Yeah, by retreating.
And yet at the same time, he's saying that if he doesn't die, then humanity will have lost.
dan friesen
You have a good point.
jordan holmes
I don't think he addresses it.
dan friesen
I don't have an answer.
No, I don't know.
But I think that's the way he wants this to feel like...
Simultaneously, an ultimate fight for the stake of human existence and all of human history, the future of the species, and also, like, I'm gonna go hide.
I'm not a general.
jordan holmes
I am the butt of the spear!
dan friesen
I'm just a radio host, man!
I think he wants to have it both ways.
Like, it's more fun to talk about the fight for human future or whatever.
jordan holmes
Way more fun.
dan friesen
But it's also not real.
jordan holmes
I don't want to die.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So people come up to Alex.
jordan holmes
No, they do not.
People do not come up to Alex.
dan friesen
God damn it.
He says this all the time.
jordan holmes
All the time.
dan friesen
It's constant.
Almost every single episode.
Oh, and I should also say, I'm going to give Alex credit.
Neither of these episodes does he storm off air.
jordan holmes
I was wondering that very question.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I was wondering.
dan friesen
We've gotten so used to it that, you know, and you know what?
Faint praise, but gotta say.
jordan holmes
I was kind of convinced...
dan friesen
This guy stayed on air.
jordan holmes
I was kind of convinced that one of the things that you weren't covering on the 29th because we've dealt with it so much is that he stormed off again.
dan friesen
No, no.
I do think on the 30th he played a special report because he was taking a phone call or something like that.
But I don't...
There's no instance where he's like, I can't do this.
I'm going to rebroadcast.
jordan holmes
Hey, Alex, I got good news.
You get to keep your money for another couple of weeks at least.
dan friesen
I'm not positive, but he doesn't storm off or anything.
But on almost every single episode...
He talks about how people come up to him and they ask, Hey Alex, how are you handling things?
jordan holmes
How are you doing?
dan friesen
Things are so tough.
How are you handling things?
jordan holmes
Gotta know.
dan friesen
And he tells them he loves it.
Every single, almost every single episode he says this.
alex jones
You know what people say to me?
They say Alex.
We see you demonized on 60 Minutes and on CNN every day, every week.
How you handling?
jordan holmes
How you doing, buddy?
alex jones
The reason I bring this point up is we have to change the way we think.
I'm handling things fine.
I'm built for this.
dan friesen
Disagree.
Strongly.
jordan holmes
Strong disagree.
alex jones
And our children.
It's not InfoWars that's dying.
jordan holmes
Strongly disagree.
alex jones
It's not InfoWars that's possibly in its last days.
It's America.
This is the real world, ladies and gentlemen.
This is what we've turned into.
This is what we have become.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
So, yeah, we're on our last days.
But it's not InfoWars' last days.
It's America's last days because America and InfoWars are one and the same or something.
So, Alex gets to, you know, talking about how there's so much news.
There's so much news.
jordan holmes
Too much for him to cover.
dan friesen
Some would say that there is.
But I will say, I tip my hat to Alex.
He does a really good job of explaining the level of preparation he's done for this episode.
alex jones
I started the show and I said, I've never had this much news to cover it.
Because the problem just gets worse and worse by the day.
Because you can't just mention one of these articles and not go into it.
Because it becomes a lie if you don't analyze it.
You're just putting out the emblematic statement instead of drilling down to the core of it.
dan friesen
It's called a headline.
alex jones
10 hours conservatively on the one statement of Trump to take action against China and WHO over COVID-19.
That is an incredibly positive thing, but it means so much and it's so dangerous.
That's one story in the stack.
This is probably 300 articles.
And so if I am crazy, it's that I probably scanned over half of these today.
And read a bunch of them.
I mean, you sit here studying it, and then by the time I get on air, I'm like over-prepared.
dan friesen
So, he scanned over some of these articles, and he read a couple of them.
jordan holmes
He scanned over half of them, and that's incredibly prepared.
dan friesen
He calls that over-preparing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I almost read a lot of that stuff.
I really came close to reading it.
I'm too prepared.
dan friesen
I love it when he says, like, these articles in front of me, these stacks of paper aren't props.
And he's like, I've skimmed, I've looked over some of these.
That means they're props.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm going to quote none of these because I don't remember much of what they said, but I do remember their headlines.
dan friesen
The emblematic...
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
Way to really gild the lily on just not saying headlines.
jordan holmes
I am so prepared.
I looked at a few memes.
I prefer articles with pictures.
dan friesen
Carpe Donctum sent me something.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It was great.
jordan holmes
There was a guy, he was walking with his girlfriend, the girlfriend had a quote that was like, dogs!
And then he had a thing that was like, me, and then he's looking back at the girlfriend and it said money.
And that was great.
dan friesen
I will say that I do believe that Alex could talk for 10 hours about something Trump said.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's probably true.
dan friesen
I don't think he's wrong.
I think that he would get very tired in the middle.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I do think he could probably do it if he had to.
jordan holmes
This is the one thing, I think, that if there was going to be a 25th Amendment kind of thing, like today he's coming out and saying that they created it in the Wuhan lab.
Trump did.
dan friesen
He did?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
I did not see this.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
Well, he insinuated it strongly.
He didn't come out and say that China created this in the lab.
He is saying that it came from the Wuhan laboratory and that kind of thing.
dan friesen
You could have told me something like Trump said there's a chance that it turns you into a vampire.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I'd be like, I haven't heard that.
But I'm also like, you're making that up.
I can't tell what's real or fake anymore with that.
You could tell me almost anything and I'd need like, give me a second, I gotta look into this.
I've not heard any suggestions of the lab.
That's disheartening.
jordan holmes
That's gotta be the one thing where eventually the 25th Amendment is gonna come into play where it's like, okay.
We're not going to start a war with fucking China over your bullshit.
dan friesen
I think once you get to the point where it's like a cause for war, you kind of have to.
jordan holmes
You gotta.
Because it's made up nonsense.
dan friesen
You can't let things escalate to that level.
jordan holmes
But, oh, Dan, you can.
Because people are fucking stupid.
dan friesen
I worry.
So Alex is thrilled that Trump is pointing the finger towards China and the WHO.
No.
Interestingly, the next thing that Alex says about something that Trump is doing is something he should be very against, but he kind of glosses over it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
I spent 30 minutes today checking into this.
30 minutes for me is a lot of time.
jordan holmes
That's not something you admit.
alex jones
This is a nightmare right here.
But then I understand what Trump's doing.
Trump's Operation Warp Speed aims to rush coronavirus vaccine.
unidentified
Thank you.
alex jones
You know, they've been whetting our appetite, saying, oh, two years, three years, oh, maybe a year and a half.
You're like, oh, you can't get this.
unidentified
This is too explosive.
alex jones
And, I mean, obviously, I'm like, no, they're going to have the vaccine this year, folks.
They're going to have it by the fall.
Bill and Melinda Gates have the coronavirus come here up, patented, and they've got it ready to put in the solution.
They've got the vaccine.
jordan holmes
And Trump is going to roll it out.
alex jones
And here it is right here.
Bill and Melinda Gates run the whole thing.
I mean, you just, you know the next piece of it.
Because I already know the whole backstory.
So that's another big story.
dan friesen
The part about Trump accelerating the vaccine...
jordan holmes
Don't worry about it.
dan friesen
He says it, but he prefaces it like, this is a nightmare, but I know why Trump's doing it.
Never explains why.
Doesn't get into that story at all.
Just pivots and moves towards talking about the nonsense about the chicken vaccine that the Pure Bright Institute has the patent for that he is insisting is this chimera virus.
jordan holmes
Well, he's trying to do some snicking on Trump right now.
dan friesen
I also think that Alex must think.
That a vaccine is just, you take a virus, put it in some, like, rubbing alcohol.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
You're good.
jordan holmes
Totally.
So many people think that.
So many people think that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That seems to be all that he thinks.
All right, you got the virus, put it in solution, you're good.
jordan holmes
All of the chemicals that go into a vaccine to these people are, like, the dead virus, whatever that means, and then just...
unidentified
Autism.
dan friesen
Alexa, pure water filter.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Filtered water and it's a virus.
You're good.
That's why someone like Mike Adams can put out that Ebola cure that he did.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
Yeah, because you think it's dead Ebola, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
So you can put alcohol, a little alcohol in Ebola.
jordan holmes
Yeah, put a little whiskey on there.
Call it a cocktail.
dan friesen
So Alex is mad at Bill Gates, but mysteriously that mad...
Anger doesn't transfer over to Trump, who he said is accelerating this vaccine program, but let's not worry about it.
jordan holmes
Well, that's because he understands why Trump is doing it.
dan friesen
Which he doesn't explain, and I don't understand what...
So anyway, Alex is mad at Bill Gates, but he is not going to hurt Bill Gates.
You've got to understand that.
He's not going to.
jordan holmes
Isn't he going to eat him?
dan friesen
Later.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
There's everybody out there that keeps wanting to kiss the ass evil thinking you're going to get ahead.
You're about to get hurt really bad.
jordan holmes
I want to eat the ass of evil.
alex jones
I'm a nonviolent guy offensively.
I don't want violence against Bill Gates or any of these people.
They got God to deal with.
I just want all of you that have Stockholm Syndrome, not a regular audience, but the general public that tunes in to the show.
jordan holmes
Tons of those.
alex jones
This morning I got up at like 5 a.m., had coffee, went out to the local Greenbelt, hiked a few miles, hiking back.
The sun's coming up.
And I run into people where there'd be like 15-foot-wide paths, and they'd be running with masks on.
And they'd be like, get all scared, like this little virtue signal dance.
And I'm like, why are you out here?
dan friesen
Jog.
jordan holmes
What if they were running with InfoWars masks?
alex jones
But that's the wicked flea would not pursue, because their whole lives groveling.
Going along, got him ahead, but that was all the training.
It's like having a cow.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
alex jones
And, you know, my grandfather probably usually only had 100 cows or so.
He didn't like to run too many on the ranch.
Sure, he's got the tax exemption with that.
But, I mean, these things would come up and he'd feed them range cubes and pet them.
dan friesen
So anyway, the story goes on a while, and it just has to do with the globalists look at you like these cows.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
They don't care at all.
Whatever.
jordan holmes
I gotcha.
We're farm feed.
dan friesen
I'm more interested in the idea that his grandpa took government subsidies.
jordan holmes
I really think that was something he glossed over again as well.
You know what?
I am starting to think that if they do develop a vaccine, Alex is going to take it.
dan friesen
Maybe he'll buy stockage.
jordan holmes
I think he might enjoy it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
Yeah.
I don't know.
You don't need to be mad at these people on the trail.
Just live your life.
jordan holmes
They're virtue signaling.
dan friesen
I don't know what that means anymore.
unidentified
They're virtue signaling.
dan friesen
I don't know what that means.
jordan holmes
They're virtue signaling.
dan friesen
You know what I think about that?
It's like, okay, yes.
Okay.
So he sees people wearing masks and he thinks that they're virtue signaling because the premise is you wear these masks out of a courtesy for everyone else in public.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that's virtue signaling because you wear the mask.
That's you saying you care more than Alex who doesn't wear the mask.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it's like, that is good.
Yeah, well, here's the thing.
That would be like him saying, when you're driving, right, it's virtue signaling to look both ways at an intersection.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Because it's a courtesy, you know, hey, you act like you're better than me because you pulled a full stop at a stop sign.
It's weird.
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
You're not understanding.
That is important because you could get hurt.
But as we all know, you don't need to wear a mask while jogging, Dan.
Jogging people can't transfer viruses.
That is the one thing that the coronavirus cannot deal with.
dan friesen
I mean, I imagine it would be unpleasant to jog with a mask on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think so.
dan friesen
Just from a breathing standpoint.
But I don't know.
I don't know.
People make their own choices.
I don't know.
Anyway, Alex gets back to this idea that Bill Gates went on TV and said that 700,000 people will be hurt by the vaccine.
That was a number that Bill Gates randomly picked out of the air to discuss the ideas of the difficulty of scaling a vaccine to large populations.
Trying to cope with the idea that there may be some side effects to an effective medication.
And how do you...
How do you respond to that challenge?
Alex has taken that to be Bill Gates threatening to hurt 700,000 people.
jordan holmes
That does sound right.
dan friesen
Of course, because that's how Alex's dumb brain understands things.
So he talks about that a little bit.
Then this gets way off track, and I think might end in something I've never heard Alex say, but I think might be the root of some of his deep-seated chauvinism.
Yeah.
Feeling of, like, women are something other than men.
jordan holmes
I thought it was when his mom kicked him off the knee.
dan friesen
Psychologically, that might play a role in it, but this is, like, a belief that he has that I've never heard.
When I heard this, I thought, like, I mean, it's not as fun as eating people, but it's as messed up.
alex jones
Bill Gates says that, oh, yeah, 700,000 people, and we give everybody this vaccine.
We're going to get sick or have problems.
Death's a problem for some of them.
We're never talking again.
You're 30 years old, your parents are changing your diapers.
That's a problem.
Weighs down everything.
Oh, well, don't worry.
They're going to pass laws.
You can kill that autistic son.
It is the son, isn't it?
Just like Pharaoh said, you're going to give me your firstborn.
unidentified
You're going to give me your firstborn.
alex jones
Some girls in the genetic studies get passed the information.
Those turn out to be queens.
But men in the first generation are passed on the genetic memory.
What?
unidentified
And that's what they're trying to stop.
alex jones
Is that genetic memory?
Men are given genetic memory so they can expend themselves in defense of the species.
That's what men are supposed to do.
Men are expendable.
unidentified
Men are expendable.
alex jones
But now men think playing golf and acting tough is what a man is supposed to do, and so they don't stand up, and so they wonder why the women now worship at the feet of the beast.
dan friesen
This is fucked up.
So apparently, Alex's entire conception about race memory and, like, you are your ancestors.
jordan holmes
It's only the firstborn who gets it?
dan friesen
The firstborn male.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm hearing!
dan friesen
Very rare cases, women, and they become queens.
jordan holmes
Yeah, is that what I'm hearing?
I really feel like he thinks there's a genetic study that says that some women receive only queens.
They turn out to be queens.
Right.
But otherwise, it's the firstborn son.
That's why Pharaoh killed the firstborn son, because then he killed the genetic memory.
dan friesen
I don't think that was what was going on in that story, but maybe that's what he was thinking, but yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
So, does he have brothers?
dan friesen
No, he has an adopted sister.
jordan holmes
He has an adopted sister.
Man, now I gotta talk to my oldest brother about this.
I wanna see if he has genetic memories that I don't.
dan friesen
I think Alex has another sister, but I don't know.
jordan holmes
He's the son.
dan friesen
I've always kept so much of a hands-off thing with his personal life.
To the point where, like, if I tried, I could probably know a lot about his family members.
jordan holmes
For sure, for sure.
dan friesen
But for the most part, it doesn't interest me at all.
And outside of people like Buckley, who was on Alex's show a bit and worked at Infowars, obviously he came into the sphere of, like, what I would look into, so I know that he's, like, a DJ and shit.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know his family.
Like, size or...
I know that he talks about his adopted sister a lot when he wants to appear not racist.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
She's a prop.
dan friesen
And I believe I've heard him talk about another sister.
So I think he's the only male son.
jordan holmes
Was he...
Ooh, now I'm trying to remember because I think the story...
Remember the story where he's under the house getting sprayed with all the chemicals?
Was one of those people one of his brothers?
dan friesen
No, I don't think so.
I think it was his cousins.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
It's cousins.
dan friesen
Because he grew up with his cousins.
jordan holmes
So his cousins don't have any genetic memory.
dan friesen
Well, the oldest one does.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the oldest one does.
I would like a very detailed explanation of how this works.
I would like it written down.
Because guess what, Dan?
It's not in the Bible.
dan friesen
No.
Nor in science literature.
jordan holmes
Nor in science literature.
I don't even think it's in lore.
dan friesen
It's in Alex's lore.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like the way he...
Talks about it.
It sounds like something he firmly believes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And thinks it's almost like pointless for him to say because it's so obvious.
jordan holmes
Why would you bother?
Why would you bother?
Every firstborn son knows they have all the genetic memory.
dan friesen
I've heard him talk about these sorts of ideas a lot.
I've never heard him say that it doesn't apply to women.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I've never heard him say that it's only the firstborn son.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That's fucked up.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
So what happens whenever a father doesn't have any sons?
Does the whole line lose their genetic memories?
dan friesen
It must.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
This is a tragedy.
dan friesen
But this is also kind of...
It has explanatory power about Alex's aversion to women.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
Which sucks, because it's a bad reason to think that women shouldn't be leaders.
Because how could they be leaders?
jordan holmes
They don't have the genetic memory.
It's almost immediately...
Women are second class citizens.
No, it's not even almost.
It is immediately women are automatically second class citizens.
dan friesen
You bet.
jordan holmes
Unless they're queens who have taken over enough for you to respect them.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So Beyonce, she's got...
dan friesen
Well, for Alex, no.
For Alex, it would be Millie Weaver.
Katie Hopkins.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Lauren Southern for a while.
jordan holmes
Candace Owens for a bit.
dan friesen
Maybe.
She didn't defend her Hitler comments.
She probably lost her race memory at that point.
jordan holmes
Oh god, that's a weird thing.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex yells a little bit about how he can't sell out.
He just can't do it.
It just won't happen.
alex jones
I mean, I'm tough, but I don't like the stuff I've got in store for me.
But you know what?
I'm ready.
I actually kind of look forward to it.
unidentified
Because...
alex jones
That's what it takes to defeat these people is total commitment.
And I want our species going on forever.
I want those victories.
I want to defeat these people.
And I am so honored to be here.
But you need to have that attitude.
Not like sacrificing is something tough or something you gave up.
Or, oh, Alex, thank you for what you do.
Thank me for what I do?
Fighting a bunch of satanic devil worshippers?
unidentified
How the hell am I supposed to give up or join them?
alex jones
Can't do it.
jordan holmes
Can't sell out.
alex jones
Can't betray.
Can't back down.
Default war.
Brody?
unidentified
War.
What the hell?
This ain't some heroic action.
alex jones
Sucking air into my lungs.
Is this some heroic action?
It's because I'm alive.
Till the day I die and my soul's eternal.
And I will not be damned to hell.
I will get away from these people.
My one desire is to not be around devil worshippers and New World Order people.
We're a planet.
And they're in control of it.
But here's the pretty part about it.
God's in control of the universe.
And that's what I get is to be away from them.
And to be with all the other people that are good.
Can you imagine how good that's going to be?
unidentified
*laughs* *clap* *clap* *clap*
alex jones
I'm going to be with my grandparents and all those before them.
jordan holmes
You are your grandparents.
alex jones
I know them at a level way above human understanding and be able to interface with them.
That is what this is all about, ladies and gentlemen, is the next level.
And that's why you cannot bow in fear to the Satanists.
They are pathetic.
Alright, I'm going to stop right there.
I've got to cover all this news.
I started this hour and I told you that I was going to sit there and talk about 2 plus 2 equals 4. You did.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He did start by saying that.
He was going to get into how obvious everything is, but then he kind of lost his shit yelling and then talking about how he's going to die and meet his grandparents who had tax subsidies to not raise cattle.
Maybe they can talk about that.
jordan holmes
I don't think he's a coalition builder.
I don't think Alex is really willing to...
I just don't think that.
I just don't think he's willing to really meet people on their level.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's my reward.
I don't have to hang out with people who disagree with me.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yep.
Yeah, I mean, this is unhinged.
It's boring, though.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's weird.
I think I talked about it on our last episode or maybe a couple episodes back, but we're so...
In the same way that it takes a really hot thing for me to enjoy spice because I've had so much spice in my life.
It's the same thing with Alex.
I have so much tolerance to him that it's like...
Him talking about how he's going to die and meet his grandparents and all this stuff and, like, I'm going to relish the torturing because I can't sell out.
It's like, eh, whatever, Alex.
I just kind of roll my eyes, whereas, like, he thinks he's a journalist.
He thinks he's doing a news show.
jordan holmes
That's always difficult to remember.
dan friesen
We never really take the time to, like, really telescope out, like, really zoom out and recognize.
And, I mean, I think we did on a recent episode, but it bears, you know, bringing up pretty regularly.
Like, imagine this sort of behavior from literally anybody else.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Think about how fucking farcical it is.
jordan holmes
Bananas.
And also, I think we can only really get into his bizarre cosmology now whenever he's shitfaced, just because of the four ways to learn thing, where it's like, you're going to have to bring some kind of even more esoteric nonsense than just this.
I mean, it's...
Noteworthy to say that the firstborn son gets genetic memory, but if he was drunk, man, we get some real good shit out of that.
unidentified
No, because the times that he's been drunk, he hasn't specified the firstborn son thing.
jordan holmes
Right, that's what I'm saying.
unidentified
This is sober.
jordan holmes
He's got to be drunk now to kick that up.
dan friesen
Yeah, we got to send a bottle of sake his way.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Don't drive home, Alex.
Don't drive home.
dan friesen
They're trying to get you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex talks about things he can't talk about.
alex jones
Man, I'm not at liberty yet to tell everybody about the latest developments.
jordan holmes
I'm broke!
alex jones
I put my watch on today.
jordan holmes
Because I can't afford it!
alex jones
But, you judge a man by his enemies.
And, the way these criminals...
Shot their mouths off and things they did are just incredible crimes.
And if these supposed high and mighty people at the Clinton Foundation and the Soros Group don't know people are leaking stuff and giving us documents, if they don't know that when they really make moves like this, after they did this to Flynn and Stone and everybody else, that the world isn't pissed and their own people have had enough of them.
What do you think once you sprung the lockdown and the checkpoints and the forced inoculations, you're going to have everyone turn against you.
And you don't have your robots in force yet to cut the humans out of the equation.
You don't have your protection units yet to be able to make humans obsolete.
unidentified
makes sense We've got the jump on you.
alex jones
And that's what's really amazing is God is in charge.
God is in command.
And I've just got to give it all to God, and I know you've got to give it all to God, and I don't want to be cryptic here.
Let me do this.
Again, I'm sitting here last night and this morning getting ready for this broadcast, and I am looking at what's happening, and it is just unbelievably insane.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
alex jones
David Beasley is the head of the World Food Program.
And he says 130-plus million people are set to starve to death.
dan friesen
So I don't know anything about those imaginary Soros documents Alex has claimed people are leaking to him.
And that story about David Beasley is not even close to a breaking story.
And he doesn't have any updates on it, any other information to bring to the table.
So I have no idea what Alex is trying to pretend that clip is, like a breaking development or whatever's going on behind the scenes.
But I can't get away from the awareness that this day...
Behind the scenes, he knows that his lawyer is in court for a bankruptcy hearing.
I can't disassociate the two things.
Big developments behind the scenes.
Bring us the Soros documents or shut up.
jordan holmes
Right, and furthermore, your argument is that the globalists have won completely.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
But they also sprung this too soon because they don't have their robots in place?
So the globalists are also stupid.
dan friesen
They won.
jordan holmes
And they still beat you.
dan friesen
Yeah, they won without their plan, I guess.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Oh, man.
Alex, you suck at your job.
If your job was to win, they gave you an own goal.
They gave you an own goal and you still lost.
Man, Alex.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's tough.
jordan holmes
I don't think people should trust him.
dan friesen
So Alex is talking about how he has all these really...
Macabre, weird things he talks about on his show, like maybe eating people.
Maybe some stuff like that, but he's not responsible for any of that stuff.
All of these sick fantasies and all these weird things that he talks about, he didn't come up with any of that.
alex jones
They write big articles.
They have like one yesterday going, Jones is an incredibly dark poet.
He could beat Stephen King if he wasn't such a con man to sell protein powder.
The stuff he comes up with is just so nightmarish.
He's like the new H.P. Lovecraft.
unidentified
I didn't come up with any of it!
alex jones
Zero!
You came up with it, you psychotics!
That built this thing!
And that's the Stockholm Syndrome of the left.
I mean, their poetry is about aborting babies and death and destruction and just insane.
And then they look at me and say, this guy says we're bad.
We just want to social distance to save human lives.
Even though the leader of your group, Bill Gates, says he wants to depopulate the planet and kill all the old people.
And publicly, his dad ran Planned Parenthood and he's a eugenicist.
It's like you're not listening.
Let me just say it this way.
And it's the prodigal son.
He runs off with a family inheritance.
His dad gives it to him.
He comes back a decade later.
He's the second born.
He only got part of the inheritance.
And the firstborn is running everything great.
He comes in.
He says, why are you throwing a party and killing the best calf for my brother when he's a loser?
And he's been gone 10 years and ran off with his inheritance.
And I've been here a minute.
unidentified
My dad goes, I love you 5,000 times more.
alex jones
Can you imagine the party I threw?
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
Run off and come back?
We gotta make him feel good for what he's done.
unidentified
What?
That's what this is all about, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
That might be...
jordan holmes
That's not the reading I got from it.
dan friesen
I don't think any mainstream reading is...
The Prodigal Son story is about placating and making the Prodigal Son feel cool.
I thought it was about how my son who was dead is alive again.
We celebrate that it's kind of about the durability and undyingness of love and connection.
I don't know.
I mean, basically, the older brother is the fool in the story because he doesn't get that.
That's supposed to be the point as far as every reading I've ever had.
jordan holmes
Now, here's where you're wrong.
dan friesen
Oh, interesting.
jordan holmes
It's about what is not in the Bible, Dan.
What you missed was the aside that the father had where it was like, don't worry about it.
I love you so much more than this asshole.
We're just, look, we're just going to have a party and then he'll work in the stables all over again.
dan friesen
He'll get back in pocket if we have this party.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
unidentified
Now the prodigal son is a mob story.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
The Godfather was about this, I believe.
dan friesen
The thing that's so interesting to me about Alex's show is that he's told the story of the prodigal son a number of times, and sometimes he's close, and sometimes he is off.
jordan holmes
As far away as you can be.
dan friesen
I feel like this one is pretty far off.
jordan holmes
This is borderline.
dan friesen
Pretty off.
jordan holmes
Here's my reading of the prodigal son.
Love isn't real, and your parents are always lying to you.
dan friesen
Here's my reading of the prodigal son.
Dude shouldn't have come back.
unidentified
He had a great life.
jordan holmes
Never should have been a story in the first place.
dan friesen
He had a great life out there outside of the wing of his parents.
What are you, moving back in with your parents?
Who are you, Michael Rotondo?
jordan holmes
I think he has a complicated relationship with his own parents.
unidentified
Perhaps.
jordan holmes
If that's his reading of the prodigal son.
dan friesen
Yeah, that was very weird.
unidentified
Oh boy.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex talks about his own understanding of what he does and what his place is in terms of the greater picture of the world.
And I think it's fairly...
It's accurate.
It's kind of revealing that he has an awareness of this.
alex jones
My job is to decompartmentalize.
At the top, Trump knows all this stuff now.
But he doesn't have a way to go into the generals in those under him and go, by the way, it's a planetary extermination plan and they're going to incrementally roll it out and it's a post-human carbon tax algorithm AI system.
jordan holmes
He does.
He's the president.
alex jones
Our job is to, quote, radicalize the military, the police, the general public.
With stuff that sounds completely outlandish and crazy, because it's true.
So that Trump can then do this.
Trump up front tried to say this is a hoax.
This virus isn't a big deal.
Let's not lock things down.
The public got into it.
The blue states, the blue cities had too much power.
And so Trump was unable just to get us to take it and say, hey, we've always had pandemics.
Yeah, it'll kill 100,000 people, a million, whatever.
We can't shut down the economy.
That'll kill even more.
Trump knew all this.
I didn't tell him that.
They just ask, how am I inside their heads?
Well, we're at Simpatico.
dan friesen
So he's not right about any of the content of that, but I do think that he's fairly accurately diagnosing his position, and that is to radicalize enough people to give cover for some sort of a right-wing leader to enact authoritarian moves.
That is basically the function that Alex serves, and I think he, on some level, whether or not he's fully cognizant of it, that's what he's expressing.
Like, he thinks, well, he's presenting that he thinks the things that he's saying are true, and so there's some sort of a noble element to it.
But all it really is, is create enough confusion and enough fundamental distrust of reality that someone can exploit that.
To consolidate power.
That's the function that Alex is serving.
jordan holmes
My job is to create a right-wing Christian ISIS so our dear leader can exterminate people who disagree with me.
Cool.
dan friesen
Yeah.
More or less.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex plays some theme music that I haven't heard on his show.
Maybe, maybe ever, but at least not in a while.
And I kind of enjoy it.
It's not the Highwaymen, but it is country.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it leads Alex to have a little bit of a wistful moment.
alex jones
Ah.
unidentified
Those riders in the sky.
Those riders in the sky.
alex jones
What was her message to the...
unidentified
Their face is gone, their eyes are blurred, their shirts all soaked with sweat.
They're riding hard to catch that herd, but they ain't caught them yet.
alex jones
Never will.
unidentified
Never will forever on that range up in the sky on horses snorting fire As they ride on hear the cry Hey.
alex jones
You've got to go find a song.
I didn't mean to play that song.
I was listening to it.
I want to go sit down on a back porch somewhere and drink some beer and just listen to music like that.
jordan holmes
Then fucking go!
alex jones
This would be so easy to beat, and I don't want to let folks down here.
Because I did a lot of preparation for this show.
jordan holmes
I already proved you didn't.
alex jones
I look at all this news, and there's just an apocalyptic...
dan friesen
At this point in the show, Alex, I don't know if you can tell just from sort of the pace of his speech, but he's taken a real sort of...
There's a down note to it.
It's notable.
And Alex starts talking about how we need to do something.
jordan holmes
What do we need to do?
dan friesen
Well, it's interesting because he doesn't actually say what we need to do, but something needs to be done.
jordan holmes
Is it right-wing gun nuts storming?
dan friesen
I'm sure he's thrilled with that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I believe it.
dan friesen
When we talk about the idea that Alex engages in a bit of stochastic terrorism, inspiring people to extreme acts while having plausible deniability in his language, when I hear this clip, I can't escape that feeling.
Very strongly being in my mind.
alex jones
You know what I'm saying is, I know you're tough.
I know most of you aren't scared.
You just never had a clear target.
And so now we kind of reach that point of asking, what do we do?
Oh, no.
Instead of getting up here and always telling you what's going on and what's happening, 99% of the time, and I might spend 1% of the time telling you what I think you ought to do.
Eat people?
I love taking your calls to see what you think we want to do.
This is such a big deal.
It's kind of like reading a manual on heart surgery, but then you've got to do it, and you've got to actually cut somebody open and do it.
I know none of us want to do this.
dan friesen
Real quick, don't do heart surgery after just reading a manual on heart surgery.
jordan holmes
I think that's a good idea.
dan friesen
I feel like we need to give this sort of a public service announcement.
jordan holmes
I think that's smart.
alex jones
But the heart stopped, and...
It's like the first cesarean they did.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Where the mother died.
alex jones
We have the term cesarean from the son of Cleopatra.
jordan holmes
No, we don't.
alex jones
With Mark Antony.
And the baby wouldn't come out.
And they'd done the surgery before, but it was known as a cesarean because it was experimental and it was successful.
And nobody wanted to do a cesarean.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
But she got to do it.
Or you fold.
Again, I can't take their money.
These people are scum.
They stink.
I can't even be around them.
But then, that's not enough.
It's not enough to just not take the money.
You gotta do the cesarean.
You gotta do it.
Doesn't mean you got all the answers.
Doesn't mean you're even a doctor.
But metaphysically, you gotta try.
And that's what we're gonna do.
dan friesen
I don't know what he's talking about.
He doesn't explain when he comes back from break.
I don't know what the cesarean metaphor is about.
I don't know what the, like, the thing that troubles me is the language that surrounds it of, we don't want to do it, but you got to do it or fold.
Because some of the things that he talks about not wanting to do all the time are violence.
jordan holmes
Well, and even the examples he gives all involve knives and cutting people open.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's not implicitly violent.
jordan holmes
No, I don't know.
Well, I mean, we just read a manual.
We need to cut a guy open.
dan friesen
Wow, that's Alex's belief of what med school is.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
You could try chest compressions first.
That's all I'm saying.
Like, maybe we don't skip to the end.
Maybe we smooth the way in there.
dan friesen
Nah, dude needs a new heart.
jordan holmes
Okay, but you don't have a new heart.
dan friesen
Hey, buddy, get to cutting.
jordan holmes
Okay, fine.
dan friesen
I just opened this tin can.
I have the lid.
It's good enough.
It's clean.
jordan holmes
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
I put a little fire on it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Scalpel?
Nope.
Tin can lid.
jordan holmes
Let's do it.
Oh, yeah.
Those things are sharp.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I read a manual.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
DIY surgery manual.
Yeah, that really troubles me.
I think that the vibe that he's putting out is very much something that could be misinterpreted by more unhinged elements within his audience to be very clear, tacit support of right-wing terror, basically.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, based on polling information, it's like, what, less than 10% of the country or people, adults, think that we should reopen the country?
It is so minuscule that the only reason that these people are pushing it so hard has to be so that incredibly small minority finds a way to influence the 90% of us that think they're insane.
And the only way that 5% is going to do that is with peaceful coexistence?
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
I doubt it.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex is talking about one of his favorite things, and that's quotes.
And this one might be real, but it also might not be.
It's unclear.
alex jones
What did Von Bismarck say?
God loves children drunks in the United States of America.
Well, if I represent anything, it's the United States of America in Texas.
dan friesen
Bullshit.
If there's anything you represent, it's a childish drunk American.
unidentified
It's all three of them.
jordan holmes
But you already broke the covenant in Roe v.
Wade.
So God doesn't even love Americans anymore.
dan friesen
It's so insane that he's sitting there.
He's like, Bismarck said, God loves drunks, children, and Americans.
And I am a childish drunk American.
jordan holmes
Nailed it.
dan friesen
God loves me most.
jordan holmes
That's the one.
I got the trifecta.
dan friesen
So there's some dispute whether or not von Bismarck actually said that line or if it's misattributed to him.
But there's a decent chance he did say it.
Either way, even if he did, it's a paraphrasing of a long pre-existing French proverb.
Also, the original meaning of that saying is not a compliment, like that God loves drunks children in the U.S. more than God loves others.
It's saying that God looks after the U.S. in the same way God looks after drunks and children because they Yeah.
It's honestly a slam.
It's not a compliment.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's 100% that.
dan friesen
You have the ability to defend yourself of a drunk or a child.
jordan holmes
And the most American thing you can do is take that as a compliment.
You should be draped in an American flag while shooting a stranger.
While you hear that and say, that's exactly what I wanted to hear.
dan friesen
So, as I was going through these two episodes, I found myself profoundly bored.
And there wasn't a lot of things to latch onto.
And then here, on the middle of the April 30th episode, I found something that showed promise.
And that is that Alex decides to get down to business and talk about this conspiracy that he is against.
And, boy, if you want a history lesson, I recommend you go to school.
If you don't want a history lesson, Listen on.
jordan holmes
All right, I'm in!
alex jones
Let me just try to quantify this in a scientific way as best I can.
The decision was made 2,300 years ago.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
alex jones
Establish a order, a plutocracy.
Sure.
unidentified
That would keep the general public away from knowledge and empower the establishment.
dan friesen
Okay, so this conspiracy goes back 2,300 years.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
When I heard Alex say that, I'm like, I'm fucking excited.
We are going to get him really trying to break things down.
All right, this is what happened in Greece.
Now, flash forward 20 years.
They ostracized some leader.
Hate him.
Solon came along.
I was excited.
I thought that was going to happen.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Alex makes a gigantic leap forward in time immediately.
jordan holmes
Sure.
It started 2,300 years ago.
In Greece.
dan friesen
And?
jordan holmes
Yesterday.
unidentified
Almost.
dan friesen
So 2,300 years ago in Greece, it started.
They started plutocracy, keeping information away from people.
I swear I didn't cut out 15 minutes where he explains things.
It jumps to the Black Plague.
alex jones
After the Black Plague, 500 years ago, Europe loses about 40% of its population.
The old corrupt establishments get devastated.
Christians, real Christians, are able to get a hold and say, we believe in a human future and a future of the individual, and the first private businesses are established.
jordan holmes
Really?
alex jones
The Gutenberg press is invented.
dan friesen
So it's a massive jump from 2,300 years ago to the time of the bubonic plague, but whatever.
Alex only has so much time on air, so why bother going through those hundreds of years?
So after yada-yada-ing over all that history, Alex says that after the bubonic plague, real Christians started the first public businesses, private businesses, excuse me.
So I don't know about this, given that it's a pretty well understood part of history that the Dutch East India Company was the first company to offer stock to the public.
jordan holmes
Don't worry about it.
dan friesen
Alex isn't talking specifically, so I don't know what he's actually meaning by this, but I don't think he should be thrilled about the East India Company based on literally all of his pretend beliefs.
jordan holmes
Furthermore, Christians at the time vary against the Gutenberg press to the point where they burned a lot of them down.
dan friesen
Well, that's interesting, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, the Black Death didn't happen 500 years ago.
It took place between 1346 and 1353.
jordan holmes
A few weeks ago.
dan friesen
While the Gutenberg press was invented in 1450, it should be noted that the Chinese had developed movable-type printing as far back as 970.
jordan holmes
Never heard of it.
dan friesen
By the 1200s, books were very common items in Chinese society.
jordan holmes
Eurocentric history!
dan friesen
Alex's stories about human progress and this lineage of destiny and all of this only really makes sense if you pretend that non-European history doesn't matter or it didn't happen.
When Alex talks about the human journey, he's specifically excluding all other cultures' journeys and histories because ultimately he doesn't see them as part of the human story.
It's really pretty sad, and at the end of the day, it represents a very explicit undercutting of his pretend quest to bring humanity to the next level.
He'd sooner call for the end of the world than accept non-European cultural primacy in it.
What's next?
It's clear when you hear these things.
One of the things I thought was really interesting about these two days is these sorts of things really highlight this part is like the non-European elements of history don't matter.
They don't exist.
Fuck it.
It might as well not be a part of our story.
That's exclusionary to pretty much every other culture.
jordan holmes
Literally.
dan friesen
And that means that you are not interested in humanity.
You're interested in the West.
jordan holmes
White humanity.
dan friesen
The West.
jordan holmes
White humanity.
dan friesen
Then you have him having the reveal of the firstborn male child is the one who gets the race memory.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so now you've excluded pretty much all of women.
jordan holmes
There is that.
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's so exclusionary, even within these two days, that you've whittled it down to exactly what we know Alex has always cared about, which is straight white men.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, man.
I think it's fun that he even skipped over in this globalist agenda where the plutocracy was beginning.
He skipped over the part where Jesus showed up.
Not involved in the plutocracy?
The good Christians didn't even bother with the Jesus history.
dan friesen
It was a side note.
jordan holmes
It's very boring.
dan friesen
It was a side note.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why bother with it?
There was Greece, there was the Black Plague, and then there was a few days ago.
Those are the great events of history.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
You bet.
So the Gutenberg Press happened, and now I guess the bad guys, they want the Gutenberg Press or something?
alex jones
The Gutenberg press is invented.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
alex jones
And from that point, 500 years ago, until now, it was an empowering force.
But you're seeing the authoritarian attempt to take control of that now.
dan friesen
The Gutenberg press.
unidentified
Boy.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think the Gutenberg press absolutely changed European history.
There's no doubt.
Without question, porn would not have been circulated as far and as wide if there wasn't the Gutenberg press, and we all know that.
That's the number one thing I can think of.
dan friesen
It's in the congressional record.
It's in the white papers how porn was distributed by movable print.
jordan holmes
It is interesting that the Bible and porn both went along the same network due to the Gutenberg press.
It had to be underground because the Catholics wanted to destroy all of it.
dan friesen
What Alex is trying to get at, I mean, I understand what he's trying to express, and that is that, like, the legacy of the Gutenberg press is the availability of information.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And because he's kicked off Facebook somehow, now they're trying to express the Gutenberg press.
jordan holmes
They're coming out to the Gutenberg press.
dan friesen
Right.
I understand that.
I just think it's...
unidentified
Do you?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, I understand what he's trying to say.
I don't understand it as, like, a real thing.
I don't know.
In the same way that his entire understanding of history is depressingly Eurocentric, his understanding of the present is self-centric.
I just don't have time for it.
That's about it, in terms of his lesson of history.
Like, it's really, like, I got so excited when he said, like, 2300 years ago, this all started.
jordan holmes
He thought there was going to be a whole timeline, 2200, the Peloponnesian War kicked off, and that was to defeat the plutocracy because of the Athenians.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And what would he love more than the Spartans, right?
dan friesen
That the Battle of Thermopylae was a false flag.
Did you know that?
jordan holmes
I did not know that.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
Xerxes was created by the globalists.
And Themistocles, he was also a globalist.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, of course.
alex jones
All right, man.
jordan holmes
All right, we did it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex, his whole sort of reason to exist right now is to try and end all of the business closures and all that stuff.
And he explains that you should do that for a selfish reason.
alex jones
And so I want to be very, very careful here with everybody.
jordan holmes
Do you?
alex jones
If we do not stand up for the hundreds of millions of people that will starve to death in the next year to two years, if we do not stop the lockdown and just gut up and face what's happened.
And if we allow the design collapse of civilization, the post-industrial world that the United Nations and the Rockefellers and Bill and Melinda Gates admit is their plan, from a selfish perspective, you will be reduced from your hoity-toity rich Western society to third world.
dan friesen
So that's all.
jordan holmes
Argument.
Already have.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, his position just is ludicrous.
jordan holmes
Nonsensical.
I think it's just so disappointing.
It's so disappointing because I really want him to flame out with more E-people.
And he's not flaming out.
He flickered violently, and now he's going to slowly recede.
dan friesen
Can I tell you what my thought was after we recorded that episode?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
As I was reflecting on it more?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I think that was a publicity stunt.
I think he was hoping that he'd get a lot of coverage of people being like, Alex Jones is saying that he's going to eat people.
I think that that might have been somewhat calculated on his part.
Well, I mean, just the way...
I mean, who knows?
The reality is that he could be such a rapid cycling kind of...
The outbursts could come so randomly that it could be that he was just in that state that day and then the next day he comes on air and he's the most boring piece of shit in the world.
Or it could be an intentional decision of like, I need to try and get press.
What can I do?
I'll rant about eating people.
And on that level, if that is the case, if it was some sort of a decision, I'm super glad that I haven't seen a lot of people talking about it.
I think outside of our show, I don't think I've heard hide nor hair from any media outlets about how Alex Jones did an entire segment about eating his neighbors.
I think that's great.
jordan holmes
It heartens me.
dan friesen
When he does stuff like that, the thing that benefits him is the free press he gets out of it.
And, like, we can talk about it and laugh in a way that is not helpful to him.
And I'm glad.
I'm glad to see people not taking that troll bait.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does very much seem like everybody else but us has just moved on from Alex completely.
We've got Ben Shapiro and those dumb motherfuckers to deal with.
Alex is too enjoyable.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's kind of diminishing returns at a certain point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Perhaps.
jordan holmes
At the same time, I do like that we're getting the free press out of his lunacy now instead of him.
dan friesen
If there is any.
jordan holmes
If there is any press.
dan friesen
I'm not positive there is.
jordan holmes
I doubt it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
My long-standing crusades will continue on.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think we'll just do this and whoever wants to listen to it will listen to it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I look forward to being a footnote, and I look forward to somebody being like, and then one time there was those guys, and that was the end.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, you know, the radio broadcasters of like a thousand years from now, they'll be talking about 3,300 years ago in Greece, they started a plutocracy.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Then, 1,500 years ago, the bubonic plague.
jordan holmes
Bubonic plague.
dan friesen
Something, something.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Then in 2020, These guys talked about Alex Jones for no reason.
jordan holmes
The globalists.
The true masters of yes.
I would love to be the center of these two guys were the true masters of the world's fate.
I would enjoy that.
I want to be part of the globalists.
dan friesen
I really don't.
I don't think I could handle that kind of negative attention.
jordan holmes
A thousand years from now?
dan friesen
Then I'm fine.
I would care, but I can't.
In this next clip, Alex talks about one of the things that's really difficult is In order to really discuss everything that Alex says in a clip like this, you'd have to be like, okay, well, let's break down all of the inaccuracies that you believe about Bill Gates wanting to depopulate the world and all that.
And I choose to ignore that because we've talked about it in the past.
jordan holmes
What are we going to do?
dan friesen
In this clip, Alex just says that he wants Bill Gates to stab himself in the eye on television.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
And that's how when the globalists threaten to kill me or put me in prison, I'm like...
Really?
You're like starving little kids to death.
You're like, well, there's too many of them.
Then you die first.
You know, the day Bill Gates gets up on TV and he takes an ice pick and just shoves it right in his eye and goes, there's too many people.
I'll say, well, I got respect for that guy.
Yeah, me too.
My point is, you want us to die, but you don't ever decide it's you that needs to die.
In your little pink shirts, you look non-threatening.
You know, if Hitler wore pink shirts, he'd have won.
And now Zuckerberg wears pink sweaters.
It's all just because they know genetically you're not, you know, like a black uniform's coming to get you.
It says a little pink shirt.
unidentified
Oh, I got a shot for you.
alex jones
I've got a pink shirt.
You can shove that pink shirt off your ass.
We'll be right back.
dan friesen
I think there's just a hostility on Alex's part of anybody who is male who does anything that he perceives as feminine.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That could spell to wrap that end of that segment right up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I think what bothers me so much about that is I agree with the sentiment.
And he is working so hard to make it the opposite.
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
I mean, that idea, well, I mean, functionally, okay, the rich are not going to suffer from everybody reopening the country.
Everybody who is going back to work is going to suffer.
So if you want to say, you know, like, fuck you, you want to go back to work?
Work on the floor, you billionaire asshole.
I get that.
But then he's also saying, we should reopen the economy in order for them to kill us.
The same way I want Bill Gates to stab an ice pick in his eye.
Do you understand?
dan friesen
No, I don't.
jordan holmes
He's inverting the reality.
dan friesen
I don't understand what you're saying.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
I think you're bringing too much of your own beliefs to what you think Alex is saying.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
I'm not parsing it correctly.
Because what I understand him to say is that he wants to control the population or Bill Gates wants to control the population by killing humans.
dan friesen
Right, right.
Depopulation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and Alex would respect him if he said there's too many humans and then stabbed himself in the eye because he's too many humans.
dan friesen
Right.
So far, so good.
jordan holmes
Right.
So functionally, what he's saying is if Bill Gates and the rich want to depopulate the earth, start with them.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So I don't see...
dan friesen
Okay, I see what you're saying.
jordan holmes
Do you see what I'm saying there?
dan friesen
I see the leap that you're making.
It's like if you want to go back to work, you go back to work yourself.
jordan holmes
It's a leap.
But I still think that there's something there in that he's doing the opposite of what he's stating he wants to happen.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The problem that I had, as you were saying, it sounded like what you were saying was that you supported the idea of Bill Gates stabbing himself in the eye.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Well, also, yeah, I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
That was the hang-up that I had there.
jordan holmes
I would be fine with it.
I'm too far gone to give a shit about what Bill Gates does.
If he stabs himself in the eye...
Great.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
Good for him.
I would stop just short of that.
jordan holmes
I'm not asking him to, but if he did it, fine.
dan friesen
I'm not here to go to bat for Bill Gates and say that everything he's done has been the best order that he has done as much as he could with the means that he has.
But I do think that the way that Alex paints the portrait is deeply unfair.
jordan holmes
Oh, agreed.
Agreed, agreed, agreed.
dan friesen
When you have people who are talking about population issues around the world, they aren't talking about culling people.
They aren't talking about depopulating the world.
They're talking about offering birth control options to people in the developing world.
Ways to make the people who are alive live better lives and the next generation do better than the generation that is here now.
Alex is turning that into a genocidal mission that they're on, and it's just not fair.
So when he says, like, you want everyone to die, kill yourself first, it's like, well, your premise is wrong.
Your conclusion's wrong because your premise is wrong.
jordan holmes
I mean, functionally what they're saying with providing population, quote, control is freeing women.
dan friesen
Yeah, population option.
Well, but they don't have race memory.
jordan holmes
Well, that's kind of an issue here.
That's kind of where I'm hung up on that.
Because that's what it really is.
Birth control, all of those things are giving women...
Options for living in a way that is not essentially subservient to the guy who has race memory, or whatever you want to call it.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
And that is the thing that terrifies these people most.
dan friesen
It does seem that way.
jordan holmes
If women have freedom of choice and just freedom at all, they're fucked.
dan friesen
Yep.
So Alex starts rambling around.
He's talking about how bad things are.
Sure.
I think he says something and then immediately thinks, Ill of it.
I shouldn't have said that.
alex jones
I have a huge stack of just redline, insane, crazy...
Your pension funds are gone.
jordan holmes
Of course they are.
alex jones
Trying to scare people.
dan friesen
Right here, we're in the middle of a very long pause.
jordan holmes
Long pause.
dan friesen
Right after he says, everyone's pensions are gone.
I'm not trying to scare you.
That makes me think that there's maybe a voice in his ear that's saying, like, what are you talking about?
Or he's getting an update of some sort.
But there's just some really long pause after he says that, and then he doesn't really follow through with the thought.
alex jones
But at least you're not going to be dead.
Because they think you have bought into the fear of this virus.
so much that they can just carte blanche, do whatever they want.
unidentified
Do, do, do, do.
alex jones
These evil people cooked this all up.
They even did tabletop exercises, admitted it all.
And if we buy into it and go along with it, we deserve it.
I'm not a Stockholm Syndrome kind of guy, though.
dan friesen
Stockholm, Europe.
alex jones
And I just want the people doing all this to know that the tens of millions are starving to death.
It's your fault, Bill Gates.
It's your fault, YouTube CEO.
It's your fault, Sundar Pichai of Google.
It's your fault, Democratic Party.
And it's President Trump's fault if he goes along with it.
dan friesen
That's how lazy this delivery is.
But also, the theme that I want to pull out of that, I think is most important, is this idea of fault.
It's not about fault.
When discussing the idea that people are struggling in the developing world, it's not important right now, if you care about the issue, it's not important right now to be like, hey, Sundar Pachai, this is on you.
It's not my fault.
Why would it ever be Alex's fault?
Why would it ever be?
The only reason he brings that stuff up is because he's singularly focused on finding ways to not feel to blame for things.
jordan holmes
And that's unhealthy.
dan friesen
That's a compulsion that he has.
He's so afraid of taking blame.
jordan holmes
It's a fundamental part of any kind of relationship therapy.
If you fixate on fault and blame, you're never going to be able to move forward.
dan friesen
Because resolving the blame game means there's a winner and a loser.
Trademark MTV 1999.
Nicely done.
That doesn't solve the problem.
Figuring out who's to blame doesn't solve the problem.
The problem still exists even if you have a finger to point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't care.
It is absolutely Bill Gates' fault.
And it's absolutely the Democratic Party's fault.
And it's absolutely the Republican Party's fault.
And it's absolutely all these people's fault.
Who gives a shit now?
Let's do something about it, and until we do something about it, I don't give a shit.
dan friesen
Some things that are terrible right now are maybe the fault of people who are no longer alive, and possibly the fault of systems that have been built over time that are cancerous and not good.
Spending all day trying to...
And if Alex wants to invest in that and he wants to play that game, I think that's right in line with his entire career.
And I applaud him for staying the course.
But I don't think that it gets anywhere.
But it's so consistent with him.
And it's less important, I think, to him to say who is to blame.
It's more important to be like, I'm not.
And that also is just...
jordan holmes
His conscience is so guilty, he spends most of his time trying to convince himself that he's not.
It is a constant war in his brain, I imagine.
He's got those momentary, like, oh shit, I'm part of this problem.
And then he has to be like, no, no, no, no, it's Bill Gates' fault.
dan friesen
And it is convincing himself.
It's not convincing the audience.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's not convincing me.
That's for goddamn sure.
dan friesen
No.
You might as well be just talking to a mirror.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex talks about how, like, he might have been wrong about this whole coronavirus thing.
Maybe Trump was right all along.
alex jones
You know, I was the guy 10 weeks ago that went, hey, this is a big thing in China.
They're going to use this to shut things down.
They're going to have the Democrats shut things down.
They're going to make Trump look like he's behind the curve.
By not going along with some of it, he's got to at least say he's worried to take control of it.
That didn't mean go the whole panic road.
And we were right about that from a Machiavellian view.
But maybe we were wrong.
Maybe Trump was right up front to just say it's all a hoax.
I was wrong.
President Trump was right.
jordan holmes
God, that sucks.
alex jones
I have a whisper in my ear.
I'm like, oh, we'll play politics.
And, you know, who knows how really bad it is.
Is it that bad?
Trump will be a hero.
And I'm like, okay, yeah.
And they'll blame Trump for it.
Yeah, that's right.
Exactly.
But you see the trap now.
It never ends.
It never stops.
Newsom says, you can't go to the beach now.
How dare you go get sun?
Stay in your house and die.
unidentified
Stay in your house and die.
alex jones
And you know, David Beasley of the World Health Food Program, the director of it, He's up there collecting money for the UN.
They'll never deliver.
They'll do a few PR stunts with Angelina Jolie.
Oh, here, little African child.
I'm so nice to you here.
unidentified
Here's your bag of rice, starving black baby.
alex jones
When they engineered the whole thing and admit they want depopulation and admit...
That they say that person is subhuman.
dan friesen
So this is the kind of mindset that allows Alex to pretend that he cares about people and yet also support people like Ron Paul who want to eliminate all foreign aid.
He's just convinced himself that the UN doesn't do all these things that he doesn't see and therefore it's not happening.
It's very solipsistic.
You know, it's very much like a, I only see the PR things, and therefore those are the only things that are going on.
And the thing that I want to stress really strongly is that this is a representation of privilege.
And what the privilege is, is, you know, things are bad in the world in a lot of ways.
And there's things that we should do more for.
And there's things that we need to do better about.
But we are so incredibly privileged that there is an international community That does help people.
We are privileged with not seeing the kind of death that we would see if those aid programs didn't exist.
And Alex...
I don't know how else to say this then.
I pray that he never gets to learn exactly how wrong he is.
Because it would come along with so much...
Horror for people.
Like, if he ever got his way that he imagines all this aid money goes away, all of these programs dry up because all they do is PR stunts and siphon off money and all this, I pray that he never gets what he desires because if he does, the amount of human suffering that would be exposed is...
It's almost unthinkable.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, look at, he's getting a taste of what it is he wants right now.
Also, I find it so funny for him to say he's not a Stockholm Syndrome guy, and then fucking, he's been abused by Trump over and over and over again.
And he's literally like, I love him for this.
Look, I'm wrong.
I'm wrong and he's right.
Sure!
He's made me give up literally every position that I've ever held.
dan friesen
He's accelerating the vaccine program, but I get why he's doing it.
jordan holmes
I get why he's doing it.
I'll let him do anything he wants to me, but I'm not a Stockholm Syndrome guy.
dan friesen
Guy's probably the smartest dude on earth.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
That Trump guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, for sure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wow.
I don't know.
dan friesen
It's a real bummer.
In this next clip, I'm going to give a little bit of a content warning ahead of time.
Alex talks about he's encouraging people to kill themselves in this next clip.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And so if you're sensitive to those sorts of things, please be aware that this might be...
jordan holmes
Press the 30 seconds forward button.
dan friesen
Maybe 45. 45 seconds.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Press it twice.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This is a really disgusting thing that he's presenting.
alex jones
So I hope you enjoy yourselves.
Because you're going to get a big old heaping helping.
And your little left, well, there's too many third world people.
Yeah, too many of you.
You're going to die.
How about that?
And you killed yourself.
So step up.
All you left is that there's too many people.
Slit your wrists today.
Take those pills today.
Get out of the way now.
I hope you don't commit suicide, but you just keep telling us how we're bad.
Well, then, before all these little kids die, how about you get up there first?
You know, the earth can only do so much.
Well, walk the plank.
Show us how it's done.
Show us how the big man dies.
Show us, Bill Gates.
Show us how the big man does it.
jordan holmes
This is dark.
alex jones
I don't expect Bill Gates if he got a.357 Magnum on air and said there's too many people who just blew his hat off.
But see, I don't wish no harm upon Bill Hicks or Bill Gates.
jordan holmes
Nice.
alex jones
Well, the Easter Bunny.
That was a little joke for the internet.
dan friesen
No, it was misspeaking.
unidentified
Yep.
alex jones
I just don't know what to do about something like this where these people want eternal war and eternal death and eternal corruption.
jordan holmes
You want to start a war with China?
alex jones
Clinton's up there with his youth brigades.
He wants to turn loose on us.
dan friesen
Jesus.
Yeah, I mean, like, that's so fucked up and so inappropriate on a hundred of lives.
jordan holmes
That's dark shit.
dan friesen
Again, like, we're so browbeaten by Alex's insanity that, like, that's...
jordan holmes
We have a certain amount of Stockholm Syndrome, if you will.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That is a clip that even is a little bit past what, like, normally is cool.
I mean, like, when he's being like, hey, Ollie, you go slit your wrists today.
jordan holmes
Go kill yourself.
dan friesen
That's so deeply fucked up.
But even for us, it's a little bit fucked up.
But then you consider, like, this is a show he's doing.
Imagine anyone else saying stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Wolf Blitzer used to say it on CNN all the time, though.
You missed that.
dan friesen
Welcome to the Situation Room.
The Situation Room is off yourself.
The situation is...
Shit's done.
jordan holmes
I remember...
dan friesen
Smoke them if you got them!
jordan holmes
I think Trevor Noah says that all the time.
Even the liberal comedy shows.
They're just...
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Here's your moment of zen.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, when you hear stuff like that, it really brings it to sharp focus.
Like, how little control there is over this show.
And, like, that doesn't even come up as strongly in my mind as when he says things like, I will eat you.
That's worse than that.
jordan holmes
No, this is too dark.
It's too dark for him to be on air.
His mood is too dark.
His situation is too dark.
He is only hurting people.
dan friesen
And it's one thing because it's kind of funny when he's yelling about eating people.
jordan holmes
It is very funny.
dan friesen
It's kind of funny.
That's a funny expression of the darkness or whatever that, like, alright, this can't go on, but while it's happening...
jordan holmes
Let's ride the lightning.
Right.
dan friesen
When he's saying, like, kill yourself and things like that, along those lines, when he's talking about Bill Gates, it's so abstract and he's a public figure and all this, like, that it becomes murky in terms of, like, yeah, it's fucked up, but it's kind of in line with what Alex does.
When he's talking about, like, all you left people, kill yourselves.
You think there's too many people.
It just...
It's...
I don't know.
I feel like it has a real potential to harm people.
And I don't like it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, when was the last time you saw anything on TV or anywhere that mentioned suicide and didn't immediately have the suicide hotline number up?
You know, like, this is irresponsible shit.
That is...
dan friesen
Well, it's because Alex doesn't care about life.
jordan holmes
No, I know.
That's another issue.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
A nihilist, solipsist, narcissist on air is bad.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, people who really care about mental health issues would care about someone whose politics were different than them who was struggling.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
You know?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex doesn't.
jordan holmes
No.
I mean, think of...
The deaths of despair are...
dan friesen
Well, that's another thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, that is such a...
So many overdoses, so many suicides by gun, like...
dan friesen
And Alex talks about that a lot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and that is shit that is like...
How can you even treat that as...
I don't care what political side you're on.
How can you treat that as anything other than as a human health crisis?
And he just doesn't give a shit because he wants more people to have guns.
dan friesen
Well, he talks about the deaths of despair as being, like, sort of a manifestation of a war on white men.
He talks about that because, you know, like, opioid crisis, you know, all that stuff.
But when he talks about things like this, of, like, you think there's too many people, kill yourself, kill yourself now.
Like, it becomes a thing where you can't...
Say things like that if you care about the underlying issue of the thing you're trying to use.
If you care about the deaths of despair and that sort of thing, you can't use deaths by suicide as some sort of prop like this.
It's undercutting of the thing that he pretends to be.
jordan holmes
I've got an attempt or two under my belt and that's fucking me up.
I really don't...
I really don't find that acceptable to be anywhere near the radio.
dan friesen
Hence the content warning.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fucked up.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, we jump off that unpleasantness, and Alex lies about how he knew that all the videos that were coming out of China were fake.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because he fucking didn't.
He talked about it all the time.
jordan holmes
Non-stop.
dan friesen
And honestly, this clip is just...
The way I would describe this is, it's all made up.
Everything in this isn't true.
alex jones
Now, from the beginning of this, 11, 12 weeks ago, we knew that a lot of the videos out of China were fake.
We knew that they were trying to create as much fear as possible.
But we also knew that the virus was man-made.
And so we had to take it very, very seriously.
We now know why it's man-made.
And so Bill Gates, who financed the whole thing through subcompanies on record, can control the rollout of the vaccine because you could never have a vaccine for a cold virus because there's thousands of them in the Corona family every year.
Thousands of different mutations.
But if you make an entirely new alien and that's what it is, it's an artificial counterintuitive.
Legends.
Those were just in fabled Greek legends before.
Legends.
unidentified
Creatures that were made up of three or more animals.
alex jones
Chimeras.
dan friesen
Nothing he's saying means anything.
Like, all of that is nonsense.
jordan holmes
Chimeras have to be...
There's a minimum amount for a chimera.
dan friesen
Well, I'm actually not positive on what the rules about chimeras are.
You should.
jordan holmes
Are we talking D&D rules?
Are we talking version 2?
Are we talking version 5?
What are we dealing with here?
dan friesen
I'd like to stipulate that I don't know the rules of chimera definitions.
It seemed pointless.
So maybe chimeras have to be three.
Don't care.
jordan holmes
Your research is not as thorough as it used to be, Dan.
Your research is just not as thorough.
dan friesen
I think I just wasn't as charmed by any of this that I didn't feel like even like...
Maybe at a different time I would have danced around and been like, well, technically Chimera is blah, blah, blah.
I don't care.
I don't care.
All of that is not true.
Every other piece of that, everything that has any implication in real world is not true.
All of that's bullshit.
So, Alex, in this next clip, is a little bit distracted.
This is the point where I think he played a special report to be off-air for a little bit.
But he didn't do the beforehand, I gotta go off-air.
So he did it smoothly.
So there was a special report, and he comes back.
alex jones
We are back live, and there's a lot of craziness going on today.
We had this guest set up a few weeks ago, and it's an important guest, so I still got him coming up.
I'll tell you about who that guest is when we come back to the next segment.
I was busy reading a bunch of documents over there in the corner before we came back live here.
But this is the Globalist Takeover.
dan friesen
I don't think that he was busy reading documents.
This is around the time in the show when the documents were starting to be released from his case.
And it would have been the point when his lawyers probably would have been contacting him after the hearing.
So I think that he was on the phone with his lawyers and he was getting the skinny on how things were progressing.
So I think that he's mostly distracted.
So, this guest who's coming up, who Alex has on, is a guy who's been on his show before.
We haven't talked about him because he hasn't been on any of the episodes that we've covered, but I did find a couple episodes he's been on in the past.
Don't care about this guy.
jordan holmes
It's Rockefeller.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It's the ghost of David Rockefeller.
dan friesen
No.
It is not that Rothschild, David Rothschild coming back on.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
It's a guy named Mark Passio.
And I don't really care.
alex jones
All right, we're into the third hour here today.
And I wanted to get Mark Passio, an author and researcher and talk host from WhatOnEarthIsHappening.com on to talk about natural law.
You know, he's going around investigating a lot of different occult groups and trying to give his perspective on what they're up to.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
What an intro.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
What an intro.
jordan holmes
He's an insider globalist.
dan friesen
No, he's a former satanic priest.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But, look, I don't know.
This interview is real stupid.
It goes on a while, and it's lame.
Although, I do think this is really interesting.
They get to talking about the idea of rights.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And we can talk about what you think a right is.
jordan holmes
W-R-I-T-E?
dan friesen
No, R-I-G-H-T.
You have a right to do X. What about R-I-T-E?
jordan holmes
If he's a former satanic priest, he definitely knows a lot about rights.
dan friesen
Yeah, you would think he does.
He has a definition of right that I think is actually really limiting.
And kind of dumb.
unidentified
I think that they know that they really have through the forms of media that are embedded all around us and even through the types of waves that we are continuously bombarded with.
I think that they think that they have human thought patterns exactly where they need them to actually seize physical control.
And the reason is because of the ignorance that people don't know what true morality is.
People don't know what natural law is.
They don't know what rights are, ultimately.
And if you don't really know what a right is, you can never truly protect it.
If you can't define something properly, you're not in a position to actually protect it.
alex jones
Explain to folks what rights are.
unidentified
A right is an action that does not cause harm to another sentient being.
And 99.999% of humanity cannot give that simple definition and get it correct.
And if you just do a social experiment and ask people if they know the actual definition of a human right, they cannot give that definition accurately.
And that's the problem.
alex jones
Yeah, rights are human actions that do not create what you call sin or a violation of somebody else's freedom.
unidentified
That's correct.
And rights don't change or become suspended in a crisis.
alex jones
Because the exercise of rights only builds higher orders of civilization.
dan friesen
So let's assume that we all just accept Marx's definition of a right as being a human action that doesn't cause harm to other people or sentient beings.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know if I totally agree with that, but it's not worth getting into a philosophical conversation about it right now.
So let's just take his definition.
Let's just accept it.
Let's stipulate it.
Your rights absolutely do go away in a crisis.
He's presenting a definition of rights that are not absolute, they're conditional, and can be impeded as soon as the human action in question does end up harming another person.
He's advancing an idea of rights that's very weak, and I could actually use his definition to absolutely defend all of the stay-at-home orders and business closures that are happening in the country.
Right now.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Very easily.
jordan holmes
All right.
So you're saying that an act that could possibly harm another human being is, say, you have the coronavirus and you don't have any symptoms and the, let's say, state is reopened for business, quote unquote, and so you have to go to work and you wind up spreading that coronavirus to other people who might die.
Are you saying that that is not okay?
Based on his definition?
dan friesen
Well, if you use his definition, it wouldn't be, right?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So according to his bio, Mark Passio is a former satanic priest who got super into Tesla, and he makes videos about the occult now.
I don't care.
jordan holmes
Fun.
dan friesen
From what I can tell about him, he seems like he belongs on Project Cam a lot.
However, he's a good example of how these esoteric conspiracy theorists are often just Trojan-horsing right-wing shit in the form of something that looks more interesting.
He's here talking about this spiritual definition of rights, but really all he's doing is talking about the libertarian concept of the non-aggression principle.
You see that a lot.
I mean, we've talked about it in the past, particularly when we talked about Stefan Molyneux, but the idea of the non-aggression principle is completely self-contradictory and impossible to implement in your own life.
There's literally no way that you can follow that as a guiding principle that will get you to...
Any functional way to live.
So when he's talking about this, a right is something that is a human action that doesn't cause harm to other sentient beings.
That's just the non-aggression principle.
He's just using his weird, the natural law of reality that exists outside of...
And also, I should be totally clear about this.
Alex should not at all.
Be into this guy.
He is a former Satanist.
Now, granted, he's not a Satanist anymore.
jordan holmes
He's a reformed Satanist.
Great.
dan friesen
He's also an anarchist.
jordan holmes
Well, there's that.
dan friesen
Alex shouldn't be into that.
He is a deeply avowed anarchist.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright.
dan friesen
Alex should probably have some reservations about that, seeing as he does like statism.
jordan holmes
Also, he should learn the definition of words, because if you want to start saying sentient, then you're now talking about...
Every mammal.
Maybe if you want to say sapient, there's an argument that you only have to worry about certain animals.
dan friesen
I think he was using it in terms of like...
jordan holmes
Humans.
He just wanted to say humans.
But you can't just say humans.
You don't sound smart.
dan friesen
But honestly, I think...
I don't know.
I didn't look into him deeply enough, but I did see something that led me to believe that he might be a vegan.
jordan holmes
Is he a vegan?
Well, then, man, that's fair.
dan friesen
Concern for animals on his part.
jordan holmes
Like Bill Gates shoving an ice pick in his eye, I respect him if he's a vegan, I guess.
Apparently.
If that's the lowest possible form of respect one can have.
dan friesen
Anyway, this guy is very boring.
It's no good.
But they end up talking about, this is the last clip we have here, because this is how the show ends, him interviewing this ex-Satanist.
And they talk about...
The idea that Bill Gates went on TV and said that there will be 700,000 that are hurt by this vaccine, he only did that because he has to.
unidentified
You know, they always try to play into the emotional mind control of people.
They always try to make people think, we're looking out for your best interests.
We care.
And nothing could be further from the truth.
And that's because they have to manipulate people who would generally want to do the right thing.
Exactly.
alex jones
Evil people are manipulating good people to sign on to their mission.
unidentified
Yeah.
And then they're taking on, especially the order followers, they're taking on their karmic debt.
That's how they're going to escape the karmic consequence according to the laws of creation, the spiritual laws of morality.
The people who are really the high-level manipulators, they're not going to take on the bulk of the karmic consequence.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
unidentified
Who's going to take on that karmic consequence?
Exactly.
alex jones
They trick us to be the enforcers.
They know what they're doing.
unidentified
That's right.
Because they understand how natural law works.
alex jones
This vaccine is going to kill a lot of people.
He has to tell you that.
jordan holmes
Of course he does.
unidentified
It's because they understand how natural law works, they understand how free will works, and they can't outright really truly break those laws, but they can bend them.
They can manipulate people into breaking natural law.
Aha!
dan friesen
So that's why Bill Gates has to say these things, and then he kills you with his vaccine, but he doesn't have the karmic debt that comes along.
Is that what's behind Alex's whole they have to tell you things?
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
What a load of nonsense.
jordan holmes
What does that mean?
Like, no military leader has to accept the karmic debt for choosing to fight some battle or some shit.
Like, fuck off.
dan friesen
I mean, I'm sure you'd be able to figure out the way to rewrite that story in a way that's convenient for you.
jordan holmes
Nonsense.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Actually, can I tell you this?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
My clip here is titled, This is Nonsense.
I'm glad that it drove home the point.
jordan holmes
We are in agreement.
Yes, sometimes we disagree, Dan, but there are times when we come together in perfect agreement.
dan friesen
So, I mean, we come to the end of this, and I'll be honest, I'm a little ungratified because the thread of cannibalism did not continue.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
But it was destined not to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
dan friesen
And I do think it was a publicity stunt.
I still loved it.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
I still want more of it.
unidentified
Oh, of course.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I want more of it that everyone ignores.
The desperate, sad acts yelling about eating his neighbors when everyone just is like, who cares?
Except us, and we enjoy it.
jordan holmes
I do.
I want him to find ways to escalate it and yet not receive the satisfaction that he wants from it.
Because when he does this, I don't receive the satisfaction that I want.
This is purely selfish.
dan friesen
It's really boring.
These last couple episodes have been really kind of boring.
And there were flickers of things that are like, alright.
Like when he decided to get into the 2300 year history of this stuff.
It's like, alright, Alex.
I like what you're cooking here.
jordan holmes
You can follow along.
dan friesen
And then there was just no follow through to it.
I'm disappointed.
But that's kind of the way it goes.
And I think that there is a situation.
I've been wrestling with this lately a little bit.
And that is like, we've been in the present consistently covering it all.
And I think that it's our responsibility.
And it kind of sucks because sometimes he does shows like these.
And they're just not good.
And unfortunately, that ends up with a situation where we're covering an episode that's like, well, it ain't great.
What are you going to do?
We do the best we can.
But I do also think, That we're in a stretch right now where it would be irresponsible for us not to cover the present day fairly blanketly.
If only because what if we don't listen to an episode and he talks about cannibalism?
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
Like, what if we'd missed that?
jordan holmes
I know.
I know.
It is this episode, like, immediately following the cannibalism episode is exactly like...
Whenever he promises, next week I'm going to remove that computer chip.
We knew it was going to be a disappointment, and yet you still hope every single time.
dan friesen
And it's exactly like the experience of my life listening to Alex.
It's like, you get hyped and then you get disappointed.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
But also, have you ever read that book, The Gift?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Thing to creation.
Like when you create a thing.
jordan holmes
I read it because you recommended it to me.
dan friesen
There is a thing where you've got to give back to the universe in order for things to come back to you a little bit.
And whether or not that's actually true or not, there is a function of being creative that sometimes you've got to take it on the chin.
Sometimes you write a joke, it does not work.
jordan holmes
Most of the time you write a joke, it does not work.
dan friesen
You spend five, ten hours trying to figure out a joke.
You do it.
You bomb.
jordan holmes
And then you do it again, and you bomb.
And you do it again, and you bomb.
And the hours mount.
I gotta bail on this joke.
Maybe I'll revisit it in a couple of years.
dan friesen
But that process of writing a bad joke and wasting all that time is part of the process that eventually leads to you writing a good joke.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And unfortunately, I think that these two episodes on Alex's show are the...
Bones we must throw back into the ocean that gave us the good meat of Alex talking about cannibalism.
jordan holmes
We must make our own sacrifice.
dan friesen
And maybe I'm getting a little bit too poetic about this, but it's mostly because I just want him to say, I will eat you.
I just want more of that.
So Alex, if you're listening, please talk more about eating people.
Stop boring the shit out of me.
jordan holmes
You can't do that, Dan.
You know that your goal is not to interfere with your observation subject.
dan friesen
Of course.
And if I actually thought he was listening, I wouldn't say things like that, probably.
But I am bored.
jordan holmes
He cannot listen to a two-hour episode of our show.
dan friesen
Certainly not.
jordan holmes
Not even if we said we were going to eat people.
dan friesen
I will eat.
So, I apologize that I've broken down at this point into a I'm bored with Alex moment, but I know that maybe Friday's episode will be, like, right back on the horse.
jordan holmes
Hope springs eternal.
unidentified
Who knows?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is like the prodigal son, alright?
You're coming back to Alex Jones, and he's like...
Listen, fuck you, but we're going to play you the cannibal clip to just placate you, and then you go right back to the fucking stables.
You go right back to the fucking stables.
dan friesen
I'll be lured back every time.
So we'll be back next week on Monday, but until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
You bet.
We also have a section on that website, knowledgefight.com slash seltzers.
We can keep up with the year of the seltzer.
And we are on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan.
You're right.
dan friesen
We're on Facebook as well.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
It's Facebook slash Seltzer.
And if you would like to go to iTunes and rate and leave a review and so on and so forth, please donate to a local charity of your choice.
dan friesen
Yes.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
To quote Otto von Bismarck, God loves drunks children.
Americans and knowledge fight.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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