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April 27, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#425: April 23-24, 2020

In Knowledge Fight’s #425, Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dissect Alex Jones’ April 23–24, 2020 episodes—where he peddled unfounded claims about a "Rosetta Stone" solution to global problems, framed COVID-19 as a Chinese conspiracy, and exaggerated famine risks while dismissing systemic fixes. His erratic delivery, reliance on debunked sources like Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai, and baseless threats from "globalists" reveal a pattern of performative fear-mongering, not credible activism. Jones’ final broadcast tease and bizarre analogies (Obi-Wan Kenobi, the Alamo) underscore his declining relevance, as right-wing media shifts away from his unhinged rhetoric. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
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alex jones
infowars 41:07
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dan friesen
01:26:21
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jordan holmes
26:09
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dr shiva ayyadurai
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dan friesen
Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Joe's.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question.
dan friesen
What up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, Dan?
dan friesen
I got two little ones.
jordan holmes
Two little bright spots.
dan friesen
That sort of some additional thank yous after our last episode for other things.
One is thank you to Anna out there.
Sent some masks, some homemade masks to wander around the streets with.
And actually, a couple of those are for you and your lady friends.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So please choose which two you would like to take from that.
You have to take the one that's avocados.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right.
dan friesen
Because as I told Anna, I'm allergic to avocados.
You're allergic town with such a millennial baiting mask.
jordan holmes
That's how you own it, Dan.
Just because you're allergic to it doesn't mean you can't wear it proudly.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that's really awesome.
It's great to walk around very confident and cocky in a nice cool mask.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
A second is a thank you to definitely not Health Ranger John, who as a present sent over a selection of some of his favorite hot sauces from a company called Matuks.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
That's not one of them.
It's a shitty store Kroger brand jalapeno sauce that is offensively salty.
jordan holmes
It did not look good.
dan friesen
It's really bad.
No.
But I have not had a chance to try out these sauces yet.
They just arrived.
And so I'll let folks know when I have a sense of it.
But they look really exciting.
One of them is a Trinidad scorpion sauce, which is one of my favorite of the peppers.
jordan holmes
That's hot.
I'm not allowed to eat those.
dan friesen
No, but it also has a nice fruitiness to it.
John said his favorite was the calypso sauce, which worries me.
But I'm excited to try it.
It's a bright spot for me.
I'm really missing some real good hot sauces right now.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so having some of this to supplement some meals.
Nice.
unidentified
Yeah, that's great.
jordan holmes
That sounds awesome.
Mine, Dan, is very simple.
When was the last time you had brisket?
Because I'll tell you right now, it's delicious.
Love briskets.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Super good.
dan friesen
We know that.
jordan holmes
We had a freak out.
My partner and I, she and I were just like, we were just so frustrated.
And then we decided to order a shit ton of brisket and just went into a meat coma.
And it has been a good couple days just eating off that meat coma.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's good stuff.
dan friesen
That's great.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was very happy.
dan friesen
Good for the two of you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm happy for your rediscovery of the love of brisket.
jordan holmes
Brisket.
It's been too long.
dan friesen
Hell yeah.
So, Jordan, today we got an interesting episode to go over.
We're talking about April 23rd and 24th, 2020.
I'm Dan.
This is 2020.
jordan holmes
All right.
God damn it.
dan friesen
Thursday and Friday of last week.
But before we get down to business on that, we got to take a moment to say thank you some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show, and also do a little recap of the year of the seltzer.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So first, I'd like to say thank you to the Minnesota skeptics.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Next, Joe.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Joe.
dan friesen
Thank you, Joe.
Next, Ross.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Ross.
dan friesen
Thanks, Ross.
Next.
This could go either way.
jordan holmes
This could go either way.
dan friesen
Either way, Basil or Basil.
I'm not entirely sure, but either way, thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
I like Basil.
dan friesen
I do too.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with Basil.
dan friesen
Next, Vicki.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Vicky.
dan friesen
Thank you, Vicky.
Next, great name, Daniel.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Daniel.
dan friesen
Thank you, Daniel.
Next, Claire Genevieve.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
Claire Genevieve.
unidentified
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
And finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So first, Will, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Richard, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crocky mate, that's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We got to go full-telt bugging on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare info war on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Will.
And thank you so much, Richard.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening, you're thinking, hey, I enjoy the show.
I'd like to support these gents, too.
You can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button to support the show, or you can go and find a local charity in your area and support some folks who are in need and carry on that spirit.
jordan holmes
Yes, we would appreciate it if you did either.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, we are making good progress in the year of the seltzer.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
I'd like to, first of all, say thank you to everybody who has responded so positively to the idea of me drinking an absurd number of seltzers.
jordan holmes
It's kind of amazing how many people really love this idea.
dan friesen
Yeah, a lot of people very interested in it.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But I'd also like to take a moment to honor the people who are not so into this.
And I understand.
jordan holmes
Why?
Why would anybody not be into the year of the seltzer?
dan friesen
Some people don't like seltzer.
Some people think this is trivial nonsense.
jordan holmes
There's that.
dan friesen
And both are fair positions for people to have.
And as such, I'm not going to talk about every single seltzer that I drink on the podcast.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
That would get to be annoying.
So what I've decided to do is I've made a website where I'm tracking my seltzer journey, which is knowledgefight.com slash seltzer.
And there is a graph charting the rankings of these.
Everybody who wants to know all of the specific seltzers that are being drank, please go check that website.
It'll be updated periodically.
Probably after every episode as I'm editing, maybe I'll update the website.
But we are on track for the 500.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
It's only the first week.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Look, you know, every long journey begins with a single step.
dan friesen
We are at 12.
jordan holmes
We're at 12 seltzer.
dan friesen
We are at 12 seltzers tried, which is a jump from the three at the point of our last recording.
And what I'm going to do is, whenever we do a check-in on the year of the seltzer, what I'm going to do is I'm going to bring to you some of the standouts.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
dan friesen
Because one of the things I'm realizing as I drink more and more of these seltzers is fucking most of them are eh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
The last time I checked the page, there was a significant course correction.
It looked like everything was trending downward until you got to like a median level.
Like the first seltzer, if you tasted it now, would probably be closer to the middle than it was at the beginning.
dan friesen
Oh, yes.
That cherry coffee one would be a little lower.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Probably.
But Lemoncello would be where I wear it.
jordan holmes
Still right where it is.
dan friesen
That is really good.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So the standout from this batch was definitely the Passion Fruit Wonder by Bubbler.
It's Bubbler without an E. Holy shit.
I think I might be discovering a love of passion fruit.
jordan holmes
You are.
dan friesen
I don't know if it's something that.
jordan holmes
I'm going to have a love of passion fruit for love fruit.
unidentified
Thank you.
jordan holmes
Don't dare.
dan friesen
I don't know if it's a flavor that I've had much exposure to over the years.
I might have thought it was a fake fruit.
jordan holmes
I kind of still think it's a fake fruit.
dan friesen
But it was really good.
Flavor is good.
The Seltzer is fantastic.
I think it's also one of the ones that was caffeinated.
So if you want to still want a little kick, go with the.
jordan holmes
You're advertising now, too?
dan friesen
That's another thing I should point out: we have not, nor will we ever take any kind of sponsorship from a seltzer company.
So if you're out there and you're a seltzer company and you're thinking, hey, maybe I should get in on this game, it seems like it's pretty exciting.
People really enjoy the year of the seltzer.
Let's give these guys a few bucks to do some buzz marketing.
No way.
Uh-uh.
No way.
jordan holmes
You can, however, send seltzers.
No.
We're not going to reference your company name, but if you want to send a seltzer, nobody's going to say no to his.
dan friesen
Look, no matter how much money Spindrift gives me, I'm not going to say it's good.
And no matter how much money Bubbler doesn't give me, I'm going to say that that passion fruit wander 78 out of 100.
Strong stuff for this high praise.
Yeah, it's pretty good.
jordan holmes
That is high praise.
dan friesen
Yep.
So that's the report from the Year of the Seltzer.
We will continue on our journey.
But now let's get down to business on today's episode, Jordan.
Let's start with an out-of-context drop from today's show.
alex jones
The New World Order sucks.
dan friesen
Oh, no, don't say something like that.
Don't say something.
unidentified
Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no.
dan friesen
Is that Scott Hall?
Is that Kevin Mash?
unidentified
Oh, no.
What show are we doing anyway?
alex jones
Hey, yo.
jordan holmes
What even is this?
I don't know.
dan friesen
Alex said the New World Order sucks.
What happens after that?
He's going to get power bombed by Kevin Nash.
He's going to get the jackknife, and then he's going to get NWO spray painted on his back.
jordan holmes
That's pretty much what's going to happen.
dan friesen
All right.
So anyway, let's start here on the 23rd.
Alex starts the 23rd on a sort of weird place.
He insists that he has the key to solving all of humanity's problems.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
alex jones
This is so big, and it ties into everything, and it's like a Rosetta Stone, a skeleton key, a window into the universe.
And I was sitting there, I'm throwing lives a few months ago with all these huge things I was going to cover.
And I thought to myself, why don't you talk about this?
Why don't you talk about this?
And what is this?
Well, this is a key that opens the door that frees America and the world.
And there are many doors this key opens as well.
jordan holmes
Are we killing time?
unidentified
What is happening?
alex jones
And it's not that I'm scared to cover this topic.
jordan holmes
What topic?
alex jones
It's just that if I just come out and put it out there, mixed in with all the other big things we're talking about, it gets lost in the shuffle, doesn't it?
dan friesen
I guess.
I don't really know exactly what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
All of that time you could have used to talk about the thing.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And then it wouldn't have been lost in the shuffle.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
I've listened to this whole episode.
I'm not positive I know exactly what the thing is.
jordan holmes
What is this?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
This.
dan friesen
What is this?
Is the key.
jordan holmes
What is it?
It is.
What is, Dan?
unidentified
You want it all, but you can't have it.
dan friesen
Oh, what is it?
It's dramatics.
It's theatrics.
That's what it is.
So, Alex talks about how we're in a lockdown, right?
And he wants to break out his dictionary in order to talk about the definition of the word lockdown.
alex jones
What is a lockdown?
Put the definition right here.
jordan holmes
Is that it?
alex jones
What happens when you're in a prison?
And it's when you've had your commons time and you've been able to go outside in a minimum or medium security prison.
And the lockdown is when you're put back inside your jail cells for night.
Lockdown, L-O-C-K-D-O, W-E-N.
jordan holmes
Wow.
alex jones
And it goes down, down, down.
The confining of prisoners to their cells, typically after an escape or a regain control of a riot, a state of isolation or restricted access.
Initiated as a security measure.
The university is on lockdown and nobody has been able to leave.
It's called martial law.
dan friesen
I like to have fun with definitions, so let's consult a couple of dictionaries and see what other meanings we can find for the word lockdown, other than the very specific one Alex is using about prison riots.
According to dictionary.com, another meaning for lockdown is a freeze or a pause.
The word can be used to describe a temporary state of affairs that requires a pausing of normal activity.
Now, what's even more fun is if we consult Merriam-Webster and find the definition from martial law.
Quote, the law administered by military forces that's invoked by a government in an emergency when the civilian law enforcement agencies are unable to maintain public order and safety.
Sure.
According to Encyclopedia Britannica, one of the most defining characteristics of martial law is the military takes over the administration of justice.
And none of that stuff is happening at all right now.
And if it were happening, the only person who could invoke it would be Trump.
This highlights an interesting problem with Alex's rhetoric.
I don't think he knows what martial law is, yet it's his primary fear and his branding.
He seems to think that martial law is just any kind of law he doesn't like or rules or guidelines that he finds inconvenient.
And that's not what martial law is.
I think he just knows that the name of it is scary to people.
Yeah.
And he is just going to yell about it all the time, not having any idea.
And also, I went down a long rabbit hole looking at the history of martial law and like two of the most important figures in terms of the early history of the definition of martial law were Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
When Andrew Jackson enacted martial law on New Orleans and refused to lift it after the imminent threat of an English invasion ended.
So like the people who Alex lionizes and admires are people who have a rocky history in terms of the definition of martial law becoming something that could apply to civilians.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
He doesn't know what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
Of course, his cosmology includes blind hero worship of the people doing the exact same thing that he's been fighting against his entire life.
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
It's pretty troubling all in all.
So now here's something that's kind of interesting.
This might be it.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
What is it?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
What is this?
dan friesen
I don't know if this is it or this or what.
But it's a big story that Alex has on this episode.
And so it might be it.
alex jones
But here's the headline.
Chinese agents helped spread messages that sowed virus panic in the United States, the CIA says.
Well, I watched Twitter and Facebook and Google push official Chinese government propaganda.
dan friesen
So this is an amazing level of abusive rhetoric.
Alex has literally spent years yelling about how it doesn't matter if Russian actors spread misinformation on social media in order to help Trump in the 2016 election, how that's completely meaningless.
But now he seems to think it's the biggest deal in the world that some Chinese actors have done something on social media.
Seems like a problem from a consistency standpoint, but whatever.
So Alex is trying to get the idea out.
And this is the way he's covering the story, is that the entirety of the virus panic in the United States is the result of the machinations of Chinese agents, and that this New York Times story that he's referring to proves it all.
This New York Times story is from April 22nd and it has a headline, quote, Chinese agents helped spread messages that sowed virus panic in the United States, officials say.
Like I said, he's trying to use this headline to suggest that the entirety of the fear surrounding the virus is a Chinese misinformation campaign, but that is not what this article is about.
This article is about messages and texts that spread around about Trump being set to lock down the entire United States back in mid-March.
From the article, this passage begins with a section of the message in question.
Quote, they will announce this as soon as they have troops in place to prevent looters and rioters, warned one of the messages, which cited a source in the Department of Homeland Security.
Quote, he said he got the call last night and was told to pack and be prepared for the call today with his dispatch orders.
This is an article about misinformation campaigns that take advantage of the virus situation.
But Alex wants the presentation to be that the virus situation itself only feels so severe because of this misinformation campaign, which is just not supported by his source.
If China is in fact doing this, like what the New York Times article is describing, then fuck them.
That's really shitty.
But it's still not what Alex is talking about.
Also, this article relies on an assessment from the intelligence community who Alex is supposed to not trust and be against.
And while we're on the subject, isn't the New York Times supposed to be run by the globalists who are in bed with China?
Why would they be running a story about Chinese agents spreading misinformation?
Wouldn't they not do that?
jordan holmes
Well, Dan.
dan friesen
Seems to not make sense.
jordan holmes
So now the globalists, I don't know if you've heard this.
The globalists, because of the quarantine, have split into six separate factions now, one of whom controls the New York Times that is fighting against the other five, three of whom are pro-China, two of whom are anti-Russia but pro-Trump, and the three who are pro-China are all over the map, Dan.
So this is chaos.
dan friesen
Hey, I gotta go.
It's good fun catching up.
jordan holmes
No, and there are raptors now.
I don't even fucking know, man.
The story has changed.
dan friesen
Take care of yourself.
jordan holmes
I gotta go.
dan friesen
That's what I'm saying.
This narrative is getting too complicated.
jordan holmes
Six now.
alex jones
Don't care.
jordan holmes
Six factions, huh?
Okay.
dan friesen
So Alex is thrilled on some level because people are yelling at him about Bill Gates.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
alex jones
But you know, I shouldn't be negative because last night I was driving home and I pulled up to a red light and a black woman in her Ford F-150 rolled down the window and said, We love you, Alex.
And Bill Gates is going to burn in hell.
Then this morning, I was walking through a parking lot and a guy drove by in a plumbing repair truck.
It wasn't a van, it was a truck.
And he rolls down the window and he goes, F Bill Gates, we're winning.
Alex, keep it up.
A good old boy, redneck.
That's in a 24-hour period, folks, and I'm not out on the streets very much.
I put my head out.
People ride by and go, Bill Gates is the enemy.
dan friesen
I mean, look, the way I look at that is like, I do a show about how much Alex Jones sucks, and he's the worst.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And if I walked around in my daily life and people yelled at me, hey, fuck Alex Jones, I would find that to be an uncomfortable situation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I would not look at that as like a victory on my part.
I would look at it as, eh, this is this, this sucks.
jordan holmes
See, now, what concerns me is that based on what Alex is telling me, if I were walking along with Alex and he hears all of this stuff, I would not see any of those people.
He would turn to me and be like, did you hear what that lady in the F-150 just said?
She just said, fuck Bill Gates.
And I'd be like, Alex, there's no one here.
dan friesen
That would be troubling.
jordan holmes
The F-150 hasn't been sold for 40 years.
It's the ghosts.
dan friesen
This road doesn't exist.
We're in the woods, Alex.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We've been camping for six months.
dan friesen
It is a concern that these people are probably imaginary.
But even if they were real, I would say that that's not like a, I don't feel like that is cultivating a good audience.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or like a healthy sort of way that people interact with the content you put out.
I wouldn't like that.
But Alex apparently does because it's not really about making any change or anything.
It's about riling people up with bullshit narratives.
jordan holmes
We love you, Alex.
I'm going to strangle somebody.
Whoa, whoa.
dan friesen
Alex is getting the response that he wants, which is blind visceral anger.
And that's just stupid.
That's just not good.
jordan holmes
It's not helpful.
dan friesen
No.
So earlier, I think I was on our last episode.
Alex was developing his narrative about worldwide starvations and stuff.
Sure, sure, sure.
And so that continues a little bit.
He has a complaint that, like, okay, man, we're all talking about people dying of coronavirus because that's sexy.
People dying in the developing world, not sexy.
jordan holmes
Oh, what a fucking piece of shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's the worst.
alex jones
Coronavirus pandemic will cause famine of biblical proportions, but that's not sexy.
Nobody's writing about that.
jordan holmes
How are you reading?
alex jones
There's supposedly patriots are.
They don't give a damn about Africans starving to death by the millions or people in the Middle East or Asia or Latin America.
No, no, no, no.
Why?
Let's put up on the board the global amount of infections and fetishize that when it's based on what did the White House task force say Fed's classifying all coronavirus patients' deaths is COVID-19, regardless of cause.
Oh, and maybe we can show folks a shot of that.
I mean, there that is right there.
See?
Government's classifying all deaths by patients with coronavirus is COVID-19 deaths.
That's Fox News.
unidentified
Well, I believe it then.
alex jones
But see, that's not sexy.
Wearing a mask, getting into the fear.
All this is sexy.
It's fun.
It's cool.
jordan holmes
So fun.
alex jones
Pat it on the head.
People say, you're a hero.
Good job.
jordan holmes
Happens all the time.
alex jones
Here's what I'm going to do.
I've been tended to want to take calls today.
We also have a guest joining us.
And I am not yet done what I came here to do today because this is really, really important information.
I got taken off balance by a lot of stuff today.
And I'm not going to blame anybody here in this office for it, but this is just not normal times.
This is not the build-up to the new world order.
We have days to turn this around before it's a revocable worldwide depression in hell on earth.
dan friesen
I wonder what it was that threw him off his game that morning.
Maybe that his ex-wife filed a motion to stay the hearing that he was expecting to have that day.
I don't know.
Maybe.
I don't know.
I don't know at this point.
Like, maybe.
jordan holmes
How is he going to blame people that work for him?
dan friesen
Not true.
I looked at the docket, and apparently the hearing to possibly disqualify his lawyer is set for this Friday, the 30th.
But I'm not, I'm, I don't know if that is the fundamental thing he's wrestling with.
But obviously, it seems like what else threw you off your game this morning?
jordan holmes
It's definitely not whatever this is.
Right.
dan friesen
So now, a couple points I want to make here about the two things that Alex is comparing in terms of relative sexiness.
So there are people who are talking about the issues of the potential food crises in the developing world.
Those people are officials in the UN who Alex hates, and thus we can't possibly accept that they're actually the ones raising the alarm about this issue that Alex is trying to pretend no one is talking about.
Also, reopening our economy fully will not solve that problem.
If we reopen everything prematurely, we run a real risk of seeing infections and death skyrocket, at which point our economy will be in a far more severe situation than it is in now.
The choice between safety and protecting the economy is a false choice.
And the thing that will help people in the developing world the most is for us to continue and accelerate our commitment to providing foreign aid for people in other countries who are in need, even as times get tough here.
That's a policy choice that Trump could make, and he should.
Second, as to the issue of all deaths being labeled coronavirus deaths, Alex is just lying about that.
It all traces back to an April 7th press conference in which Dr. Burks said that, quote, if someone dies with COVID-19, we're counting that as a COVID-19 death.
This is in line with the CDC guidance, which says that patients who die with COVID-19 positive tests should have that listed on their death certificates.
And if a test isn't available, it should be listed, quote, if the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty.
FactCheck spoke to Mark Lipschitz, a professor of epidemiology at Harvard, who did concede that there would be a small number of cases of people listed as COVID-19 deaths when that is not what led to their deaths.
But, quote, a greater issue is errors in the other direction, deaths caused by COVID that are not counted as such.
He went on to say, quote, overall, it seems likely that while a few individuals who would have died anyway are getting called COVID deaths, there are many more deaths caused by COVID that are not attributed to COVID.
They also spoke to Sally Aiken, Spokane County medical examiner and president of the National Association of Medical Examiners, who said, quote, the true facts are that COVID-19 deaths likely will be underreported on death certificates, not over-reported.
This will especially be true as deaths that occur in homes and not in hospitals mount.
Not all jurisdictions are able to test home deaths with typical symptoms for COVID-19.
Alex can play games by spinning Burks' comments all he wants, but it doesn't change the reality that the medical professionals in this country are not just taking every death and calling it a COVID death because that's sexy.
It's equally untrue that no one is talking about the food-related humanitarian crisis that's looming because it's not sexy enough.
Alex is just making these things up because that's what works for his narratives.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it doesn't seem like either option to talk about is very sexy.
I find them to be both incredibly depressing and almost entirely avoidable.
Almost entirely avoidable.
Like, it is him complaining about stuff that should have been taken care of a long time ago and acting like it's not a huge part his influence that his worlds are not his individual necessarily.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it's treating things like this as like an inevitability of life as opposed to like, no, this is a choice that's being made.
There is a way that the resources could be taken to the places they need to be.
And that's oversimplifying things.
Obviously, there are a million different variables, but there are more things that as a country we could do.
Even in hard times.
jordan holmes
I mean, just more simply, if you want to start talking about food, food banks are running absolutely direly low, and they're letting food spoil because they can't sell it to groceries.
Like it is absolutely disgusting.
It is fucking tragic that we are letting so much food just die when so many people need it.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's resource allocation issues that if we could really prioritize and solve those, it would make a massive difference.
Huge.
jordan holmes
It is a choice not to that we are making.
dan friesen
Now, also in that clip, even if Alex didn't say something through him off his game this morning, I think you can tell that he's not in game shape on this episode.
It's drastic how bad he is at his job.
Just like stammering and kind of like long pauses.
He doesn't seem to know where he's going with anything.
It's really, it's jarring.
Like, this is a real like shocking kind of example of that.
alex jones
And do not share this video.
Just submit to it.
Take the force inoculations.
No, I'm being sarcastic.
let me be a good boy.
We'll go to break in like four minutes and then we'll come back and I'll lay this up.
But God almighty.
dan friesen
He just seems flat.
There's like no energy.
It doesn't seem like he's really into this.
Like, it really hurts to listen to.
Like, not because I care, but because it's like, generally, when he's like frenetic and all over the place, it's like, oh, wow, look at this barrage of bullshit.
But when it's just low register, Alex, it's like, this is like walking through mud.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Deep, deep mud.
jordan holmes
He is not killing time.
He is guilty of first-degree murder.
This is bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex gets to talking about how there's a trap.
The globalists.
There's a trap.
The globalists have set a trap, and we're in it.
The trap's closed.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
It's on our leg.
We're fucked.
jordan holmes
Well, then, what's the point of having the key?
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
To all those goddamn doors if the trap's already closed, if there's no doors to open.
dan friesen
Why don't you listen to Alex lay out his story?
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
The bear trap closed in the last two months.
It's on our leg.
jordan holmes
Ah, my leg.
alex jones
If we don't either get our leg out or cut our leg off, we're going to die.
And so this is not a good position to be in.
But if I can't get my leg out of this thing very, very quickly, I'm going to pull a knife out and cut my leg off.
I'm going to tourniket it up and I'm going to drag myself off.
And I'm not looking forward to hacking through my own ankle.
But I can see over the hill a couple dozen wolves 300 yards away coming at me.
jordan holmes
That's not enough time to get your ankle off.
alex jones
Ankle off and scrabble in the woods and at least climb into a hole where I can find a sharp stick and jab at the wolves.
I have no hoe.
You've got to shot.
Hey, leg.
Bye-bye.
dan friesen
Alex's leg is InfoWars.
He's talking about closing InfoWars and quitting in order for him to be able to retain a certain amount of wealth and carrying on living a reasonably comfortable life.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what he's talking about.
Because none of this makes sense in any other context.
Sure, there's a worldwide pandemic going on, but that is not a reason for Alex to quit.
When shit gets weird or bad, that's when propagandists and conspiracy liars make their bread.
All of the things that have put Alex on the map are examples of him exploiting tragedy and profiting off other people's pain.
From his co-opting of the Waco standoff at the beginning of his career, to him rising to prominence as a 9-11 truther.
Think about the highlights of his career.
Sandy Hook denialism, lying about the Boston bombing, consistent antagonism towards immigrants and the LGBTQ community.
All he does is profit off pain.
And this situation is a perfect opportunity for him.
It's almost like a meatball right in the center of the plate.
I just don't believe that absent other circumstances, Alex would see what's happening in the world as anything other than a chance for him to make a shitload of money.
And that's exactly how he behaved in the early days of the outbreak.
Maybe Alex is taking this so seriously because the globalists are threatening him, right?
And that's what he wants us to think.
jordan holmes
I don't think so.
dan friesen
Wants us to think that the globalists are threatening him, but that makes literally no sense, given that his entire career has been full of claims that the globalists are actively threatening him all the time.
He's said that they've made attempts on his life before, and that very specific threats have been made.
They tried to pretend that Jerome Corsi's coverage of the Seth Rich conspiracy shit was so dangerous to the globalists that he had to make a dead man switch.
One of the defining features of Alex's broadcast style is a constant insistence that the globalists are threatening his life.
He needs people to think that's happening because it allows him to pretend that the topics he's covering are somehow dangerous and by extension, accurate.
However, he's been making these threats up the entire time, as he is now.
Threats from the globalists should always be understood as code for consequences of Alex's actions.
Sandy Hook family's victim, the victim's families suing Alex is presented as a globalist attack, but it's really the consequence of his actions lying about them and helping subject them to vicious harassment.
Whatever he's talking about now is no different.
Whether it's the impending fine from the FDA or some other case that he knows is going to destroy him, Alex is preparing his audience to believe that no matter what consequences come his way, it's really just evil globalists punishing him for being such an effective thorn in his side.
That's why his leg is in the trap and he's got to cut it off.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like that old, if you're so accustomed to privilege, any kind of any change feels like an attack on you.
He's so accustomed to the privilege of never having to face consequences for his actions that now the idea of roosters coming home is terrifying.
It's an attack.
I'm dying.
unidentified
I'm dying.
dan friesen
My leg's in a trap.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if he had faced consequences for his actions younger, maybe he would be more emotionally prepared to deal with this type of situation.
Maybe he would have fucking quit already.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex gets into this dumb headspace where he's like, really just like, you know, I got to cut my leg off if I can't get out of this trap.
Why the fuck am I even trying to help people?
Why am I trying to stop the global?
jordan holmes
Where's the key at?
alex jones
I can't believe that we've let things even get to this point.
And then I've asked myself, why am I trying to save this?
If I really hate the leftists and what they do, I should be supporting them because they're going to be the ones that are the first to go under this.
But then I sit back and I realize so many children will be hurt in the process.
It's the right thing to do to just tell the truth and try to save everybody.
jordan holmes
Wow.
alex jones
Even if they don't deserve it, this audience of amazing activists, they do deserve the truth.
And so I will do it.
dan friesen
Great.
unidentified
Won't someone think of the children?
jordan holmes
Someone.
alex jones
I mean, I haven't even hit the big news yet.
Imagine the start of the show today.
jordan holmes
What is this?
alex jones
Finally, the Pentagon comes out and realizes that big tech was a mouthpiece for communist China and created the COVID-19 hysteria from the beginning to shut down the U.S. economy.
That's all confirmed.
dan friesen
See, it's confirmed because of that New York Times story that Alex is lying about based on the headlines.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Yep.
So I guess that must be the big news because he's saying I haven't gotten to the big news and then immediately references that story that he has already gotten to that.
He's talked about a little bit.
I don't know.
Anyway, Alex is a dumb douche.
In this next clip, he talks about like, hey, look, we're responding to this situation in one way, but what if we responded to other things in history the same way?
alex jones
Great.
dan friesen
And he's very terrible.
This is brilliant.
jordan holmes
No, this is super smart.
dan friesen
Jordan, I got to stop you.
jordan holmes
So what you're doing is taking something in this historical context and comparing it to the past historical context.
That, I think, is a brilliant idea.
dan friesen
I don't think it's not.
I don't think it's always dirty pool.
You know, like, I think you could probably do it responsibly.
But the way Alex is doing this is just so stupid.
alex jones
Imagine if Americans acted like this before.
We lost millions of people in our wars.
Millions in the Civil War.
So black people had rights.
jordan holmes
Wow.
alex jones
Imagine people back then if they'd have been told, oh, there's a plague.
You can't go outside.
jordan holmes
You shouldn't think it's because black people have rights, buddy.
alex jones
It's incredibly weak.
dan friesen
So a couple points here.
The first is that the Civil War was fought literally before the development of germ theory.
We didn't know how diseases spread at that point.
And according to a 1993 report in the journal Clinical Infectious Disease, quote, two-thirds of the approximately 660,000 deaths of soldiers were caused by uncontrolled infectious disease, and epidemics played a major role in halting several major campaigns.
This article estimates that these diseases prolonged the war by as much as two years.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
Soldiers in the Civil War had to deal with outbreaks of measles, malaria, smallpox, and a bunch of other conditions that doctors at the time had no idea what to do with or how to prevent.
If medical science had any idea about what infectious diseases were in the 1860s, it's entirely possible that hostilities might have been postponed amid outbreaks.
Even as it was, many battles were delayed because of disease.
So I have no idea what Alex thinks he's talking about.
Also, I'm going to leave aside the whole notion that the Civil War was fought to give black people rights, considering that the Civil Rights Act wasn't passed until 1964 and the Voting Rights Act was passed the next year.
The question of what it means to get rights is a messy, complicated question that I'd prefer not to unpack right now, since it's secondary to a more important point.
And you brought this up.
Alex should not think the Civil War was fought to give black people rights.
He does not believe that the Civil War was about slavery.
It's about states' rights on countless occasions.
His relatives fought on the side of the Confederacy, and he's been very insistent that it was mostly about protectionism and states' rights.
But now here he is using the Civil War as a notable example of a war fought to give black people rights that would have been disrupted by an outbreak like the one we're seeing now.
The point I want to make here is that Alex doesn't ever say shit.
His words mean nothing.
When it's expedient for him, and he wants to appeal to his racist base, the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery, you dumb SJWs.
When it's important to pretend that his stupid anti-distancing protests are the equivalent of abolitionists in the 1850s, the Civil War was fought to give black people rights.
He can argue both things because he doesn't mean anything he says.
Everything purely exists as a means to an end.
Also, millions didn't die in the Civil War.
The high-end estimate is approximately 750,000.
jordan holmes
I don't think he gets to say we either.
When he said that's why we fought the Civil War to get black people rights, it's like, uh-uh, uh-uh.
No, that's why we fought the Civil War.
You did not fight it.
You fought it to keep people from getting rights.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So I told you.
jordan holmes
You didn't say way.
dan friesen
She was stupid.
So there's another thing that Alex teases a whole bunch on this episode that he never really pays off at all.
And that is that he believes that all Trump media, except for himself, all the right-wing media has been paid off by the Chinese.
jordan holmes
Sure, that sounds crazy.
alex jones
Let me hit this big piece of news before our next special guest joins us.
Through public relations firms and through major billionaires, almost every major news site that was pro-Trump has taken money.
I would imagine you'd want to know those names, wouldn't you?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's why we have those people to look up those names called journalists.
alex jones
So I want you to think about that.
Understand that.
I'm thinking.
Chinese agents help spread messages that showed virus panic in U.S. Officials say.
dan friesen
Same article.
alex jones
I'm not against U.S. intelligence agencies.
jordan holmes
Yes, you are.
alex jones
Follow the American way.
And if they promote freedom, and if we, the people, control the government, and that if our will in the legislators and the president we elect is executed dutifully, I understand.
But if you're got the spirit and you're on the right direction, then, you know, a few broken eggs, I'm not going to piss myself.
But I've been an enemy of U.S. intelligence agencies and law enforcement for decades because they've been run by the globalist.
unidentified
Ah.
alex jones
The minute they began to come under U.S. control, well, I'm their biggest fan.
That's not a paradox.
That's not a contradiction.
That's called common sense.
dan friesen
Let me translate Alex's explanation of why he's not against the intelligence community this time.
All he's saying is that he accepts the things the Intel community says when it matches up with what he wants to believe and accuses them of being dirty globalists anytime they say something that contradicts a position he wants to investigate.
jordan holmes
No, it's their spirit, Dan.
He can feel their spirit.
No, it's the spirit that's changed, Dan.
dan friesen
It's as simple as just choosing.
He can dress it up as noble by saying that he's on board when they're good, but his only definition of good is in line with my narratives.
I don't think it's bad to have a healthy distrust of the U.S. intelligence apparatus, but that is not what Alex does.
He just uses them as a storytelling prop in a way that makes what they say or do irrelevant.
If it works for Alex, they're heroes.
If it doesn't, they're globalists.
It's just a filter he can take released information through to make it presentable to his audience, make him sound like he actually has positions.
He doesn't.
He's just a piece of shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, even that itself is so autocratic of just like, when they do what I say they should do, then they're good people.
And when they don't, they're bad people.
I should have complete control over everyone's actions.
dan friesen
Yeah, the only definition of good or bad hero or villain is, does this work for me?
jordan holmes
Obeisance.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, but I'm really more interested in these people who have taken these payoffs from the Chinese in the right-wing media that Alex is talking about.
I don't know.
He doesn't say who they are, but I think he's about to.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
They're stealing your position in the universe and your providence and your genetic future.
And they're engaging in a type of war that is covert, that is very, very hard to beat.
But still, I've not released the secrets.
But it's like a brick wall.
I'm about to religious.
I'm not allowed to.
There's no government telling me not to.
I'm about to release massive stuff and I was about to do it.
And then God said, nope, not yet.
Seriously, that's one of my greatest frustrations.
I'm not allowed to tell you yet.
Hopefully, I'm praying to God to let me tell you.
I'm not allowed to right now.
dan friesen
Can you imagine if Brian Stelter got on his show and was like, in the top story today?
What's this?
God won't let me report this.
jordan holmes
God won't let me report this.
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
I was about to tell you guys, but the biggest news in the world, it'll save humanity or something.
Well, I'm sorry.
I'm praying for permission to be able to tell this story.
Can't do it.
jordan holmes
There's a key to a door, and I'm going to open this door for you.
Oh, no, God.
dan friesen
We are so like inundated in the world of Alex Jones that we hear that and it's like, you asshole.
unidentified
But like, realistically, that is a lunatic kind of behavior.
dan friesen
That's so deeply like, I know that he's insincere and all this is bullshit, dramatic theatrics, but taken sincerely, that's a level of like religious zealotry that is so scary.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
In a vacuum, like if you just heard that, not knowing who Alex was, you'd be like, oh my God, what is this fucking show?
jordan holmes
When I was in seventh grade, I remember my English teacher about to explain the thematic resonance of a separate piece of like, God told me I can't do it, so we're going to watch a video today.
Oh, God.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the biggest thing that Alex has going on this episode pretty much the entire time is misrepresentations of this New York Times article.
And so he has to deal with a little bit of an issue.
And that is like, wait, aren't the New York Times globalists?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
And here's the New York Times telling you exactly what we told you three months ago.
Chinese agents helped spread messages and sowed virus panic in the U.S. People go, Alex, you believe the New York Times.
No, I don't believe the New York Times.
They've been forced to report this because Trump is fighting back and they've been caught.
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex is just making that up.
jordan holmes
No, that's that's if somebody is listening to that and believes Alex whenever he says that bullshit, they're they're gone.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If you buy that nonsense, no, I never believe the New York Times, but this time they were forced because Trump is fighting back.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
What are you fucking?
dan friesen
He needs a way to justify the misrepresentation of the headlines in a way that works while still being like, yes, they're bad, but Trump forced them to sure.
unidentified
And even if you believe that, like, that's fucked up.
alex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
Wait, so now you're saying that the president should be allowed to tell newspapers what to do?
jordan holmes
Imagine if Barack Obama was president and he told you what to publish.
How would you feel about that, Dan?
dan friesen
I think Alex would not be into it.
jordan holmes
I don't think he would like that.
dan friesen
So there's this thread, like I said, going through of like him teasing that right-wing media has been co-opted, but he just not being specific.
And also, like, he's dropping these weird, like, he talks about how someone tried to buy him out last year.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know if I believe this, but this is just fucking weird.
And then he starts singing the devil went down to Georgia.
jordan holmes
Sure, of course.
alex jones
I know for a fact that through ad agencies, the communist Chinese have bought off most of the major news websites.
We got approached by one of the richest men in the world last year.
jordan holmes
Is this a Nigerian scam again?
alex jones
And we didn't.
It was a contract.
It was a private meeting.
I signed a non-disclosure.
Wasn't criminal.
I can sell my soul anytime I want.
It wasn't like the devil went down to Georgia in a Charlie Daniels song where he jumps up on a hickory stop and says, Boy, let me tell you what.
You might be a fiddle player, but I'm a fiddle player too.
And I bet a fiddle of gold against your soul so I think I'm better than you.
dan friesen
It's not like that.
unidentified
No.
alex jones
I've had those experiences, and you know what?
jordan holmes
It kind of sounds like that, though.
alex jones
But here's the difference: I can't get up here and not sell out to the devil and then not get you to support us.
unidentified
Whoa, boom.
jordan holmes
If you don't want me to sell out to the devil, you better buy my product.
dan friesen
I took the meeting.
I could sell out anytime.
jordan holmes
Look, look.
Oh, sure.
I've been railing against how you shouldn't sell out to the devil and that that is a literal crime against God.
But there's nothing criminal about selling out to the devil.
I can do it whenever I want.
I can do whatever I want.
You better buy some food.
dan friesen
Honestly, the thing that I think about that the most is that Charlie Daniels would definitely approve of that, all of Alex's use of his song.
He might be the only person who'd be like, get him, Alex.
Yeah, everybody else.
jordan holmes
I hate that devil.
dan friesen
Fuck you.
Stop playing our music.
Charlie the Daniels will be all about it.
All about it.
So there's a real conflict that I have about Alex using the concept and the idea and the image of people dealing with hunger in the developing world as a prop in his narratives.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I find it to be really offensive because Alex doesn't care.
And thankfully, in this next clip, he explains that he really doesn't care about those people.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Alex.
alex jones
You know, I'm not some bleeding heart that talks about tens of millions of extra people starving to death right now in the UN admits.
Give them a lockdown.
jordan holmes
So you trust the UN left?
alex jones
That's something that's definitely rooted in reality.
And I know the globalists want to get rid of the population.
And I know that when they get me to accept killing old people and they get me to accept starving the third world to death, that that's really myself and my family that are targeted.
So I care about those people that are being killed, but I care about them out of self-interest.
And Brian Rose is our guest of LondonReal.tv.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Alex only really cares because of his own.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, the concept of altruism, as we know, is made up from selfishness.
Yeah, exactly.
Space aliens?
What was the movie?
That was the plan?
dan friesen
Look, man, I got to say, that's disappointing.
jordan holmes
That's exactly what I thought he thought, though.
But even then, he doesn't actually care about the people starving, so he doesn't even believe his own lies about his self-interest.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
He's just a pure fucking psychopath.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So at the end there, you heard Alex has Brian Rose on.
That's the guy from London Real who did an interview with David Icke and it got kicked off YouTube.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Because David Icke was saying there was no virus and all that.
unidentified
And like, oh, no, fuck this noise.
dan friesen
Look, I don't care.
It's a really long interview.
It's about half of the show.
And I don't care.
jordan holmes
They're just complaining.
dan friesen
No, he's fairly interested, but they're just complaining about how he got kicked off and in trouble for a David Icke interview.
jordan holmes
It can have consequences.
dan friesen
It's all good and well for them to complain, but this is really just an hour-long promo for how Brian is going to do another interview with David Icke and how he's trying to start his own YouTube.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I am very, very not interested in this, and I'm not going to play along with Alex's blatant promotional content.
Like, it's it's I don't know.
I don't know whether it's like brokered content or if it's just like, hey, let's help this guy fundraise for his fringe weirdo YouTube project.
jordan holmes
I don't think that YouTube project's going to come up with it.
dan friesen
It's made like $300,000 in donations.
Wow.
Yeah.
Brian Rose apparently is somebody who has a bit more of an audience than I had any idea.
Okay.
I don't really know.
I haven't really watched a ton of his videos, but it is really hilarious because Alex keeps being like, oh, I listen to you all the time.
You're one of the best.
Like, I've loved you for like three years.
I have never heard his name come up until the David Icke situation.
So whatever.
I think most likely the explanation of it is Alex recognizes that this is a guy who has a pretty sizable audience.
He's trying to glom onto it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So whatever.
jordan holmes
Siphon anything and anyone.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm not interested.
It's a very boring interview.
So we have one last clip from the 23rd, and it's Alex again discussing this idea that the right-wing media is taking Chinese money, but he won't get specific.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
alex jones
And the people attacking me have no idea that I know about the advertising firms that paid them money.
And that's the other thing.
I intended to come on here today because it was the right thing to do and talk about some of the groups I know are getting communist Chinese money.
And I don't know why, Brian.
I can't even say their names.
Maybe I will tomorrow, but that's an example of this whole metaphysical thing.
Sometimes I consciously decide to say something, but then there's this other force comes in.
It's always right.
That's why I've learned to follow it because I can override that force.
I don't even know what it is.
I mean, it's God, but it's like people say, what does this mean?
jordan holmes
A doctor.
alex jones
What is it where I'm ready to say something?
I can say it.
I'm not scared to say it, but then I don't say it.
I guess that's God's mystery.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Again, I'm babbling here.
dan friesen
It's not God's mystery.
It's baseline awareness of libel.
jordan holmes
That's what I would assume.
That's the only way that that's the only thing that I'm doing.
dan friesen
I think that Alex has a recognition that if, like, it's all good and well to, like, libel someone like Hillary Clinton or George Soros.
They don't really care, and they're not going to even dignify you with a response or sue you.
But you could fuck around and accidentally say something about some media organization that's libelous.
Like they're on the Chinese payroll.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And they might sue you.
jordan holmes
Fox News wouldn't be stoked about.
dan friesen
Not Fox News.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Someone smaller than that might, though.
You run a risk that someone might actually respond to you in a way that people like Hillary or Soros wouldn't.
And I think Alex is aware of that.
And that's God's mystery.
So that show is a disaster.
The 23rd is the worst.
It's really bad.
Alex is off his game.
Nothing really interesting happens.
Then the 24th comes around.
And I was like, I didn't think it could get worse, but this show is one of the worst I've ever heard.
Really?
Yes.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
And it's one of those interesting things.
Like, I really do think that maybe there is some sort of a cosmic connection with my birth.
jordan holmes
It was your birthday.
dan friesen
And Alex is just so bad on this episode.
Like, in some ways that are actually incredibly funny.
And some that are like, that's disturbing.
And others that are like, go to bed, go home.
You're done.
You're done, asshole.
jordan holmes
Just call it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we start off with Alex claiming that the New York Times has confirmed some of his narratives.
alex jones
I said 11 weeks ago with Dr. Steve Pachinik that this was already in the population and that they already knew it and that a lot of folks had already died from pneumonia-like symptoms.
jordan holmes
But Steve already cured it.
alex jones
And it's a tough, tough virus.
dan friesen
Tough stuff.
alex jones
But the response to all of it and the hysteria is the hoax, the power grab.
And now it was in the New York Times yesterday that, oh, turns out it was already in the United States in November.
But still, we've all got to stay locked down, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
So I couldn't find a New York Times story that matches what Alex is talking about.
As such, I'm kind of left to use context clues to figure out what he's rambling on about.
I've reviewed a bunch of possibilities, and I'm pretty sure Alex is just misrepresenting comments that New York governor Andrew Cuomo made about the timeline of the outbreak.
Cuomo was talking about the delay in action and said, quote, so what's the lesson?
An outbreak anywhere is an outbreak everywhere.
When you see in November and December an outbreak in China, just assume the next day it's in the United States.
When they say it's in China, just assume the virus got on a plane that night and flew to New York and flew to New York airport, and now it's in New York.
That has to be the operating mentality because you don't know that the virus didn't get on a plane.
All you need is one person to get on that plane in China and come to New York.
The way the virus transfers, that's all you need.
And you can't assume two months later that the virus is still going to be sitting on a park bench in China waiting for you to get there.
Cuomo wasn't admitting that there were cases in November or December.
He was saying that your mindset in November and December should be to assume that there are.
The bottom line is this has nothing to do with there being cases of COVID-19 in the United States in November.
As far as we know, there's pretty solid consensus that the first known case was this of the coronavirus in the United States, presented on January 19th and was a guy in Washington who arrived at a hospital having a cough and a fever for four days.
He'd returned from visiting family in Wuhan on January 15th.
Is it possible that there were cases prior to that?
I mean, it's not impossible.
It's just pretty unlikely, according to experts.
Alex has done nothing to demonstrate his assertion, and until he does, he's just talking shit.
I challenge Alex to show his work, and saying that Steve Pieczenik said so isn't good enough.
jordan holmes
I doubt it.
I doubt that I'm going to take the word of the guy who cured coronavirus in January.
I don't think I'm going to trust him.
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
Nah, it is such another thing that it's impossible for people to cross that line of like a gross overreaction means you've saved lives.
So how can it be a gross overreaction?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Do you know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
What is the acceptable?
Oh, we overreacted to this.
Only a thousand people died.
Dude, that's a thousand people who didn't need to fucking die.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, like, that's not an overreaction.
Nope.
It's the correct reaction.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's so fucked up that people are still framing it as though that's our choice.
dan friesen
It's a gross overreaction or you can easily see how even the optics work.
alex jones
Sure, sure, sure.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
It's just unfortunate.
It's just tragic.
So Alex is on borrowed time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he's been getting threats, like I mentioned, from these here globalists.
alex jones
Now, I've been told, and at a certain point, I'll all go public with this.
But I've been warned and I've been told, if you don't shut up, you're dead or we're going to put you in prison.
And now they're preparing to put me in prison right now.
Fine.
They're killing everybody.
What the idiots?
All of you are dead.
Every single one of us.
They're murdering everyone.
I'll explain how they're doing when we come back.
This is the real world, folks.
You better grow up.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is such a load of bullshit.
He should speak to a mirror or something.
In order for Alex to be put in prison, there would need to be a crime.
There would need to be a criminal charge.
And I don't know if I'm aware of any crimes that Alex is looking good for right now on a criminal level.
Beyond that, in order for him to be sent to prison, he would need to stand trial.
And if he were innocent, he'd had every opportunity to prove it.
He's a rich white dude.
He would be afforded every benefit of the justice system.
I don't believe that any of these imaginary globalists, if they were real, would ever want to put Alex on trial.
Even if he's guilty as shit, all you're doing is giving him a gigantic platform to play the victim and create his own martyrdom narrative.
So I guess they'd have to kill him.
But that makes even less sense.
This entire time, for Alex's whole career, his answer to why he wasn't dead yet was because he was too high profile.
So the globalists knew that killing him would only make him more powerful.
They knew that killing Alex would only confirm that his narratives were true, or so Alex believed.
Is that no longer the case?
Because Alex is still super high profile.
So it would stand to reason that the globalists know that they can't kill him without inadvertently proving him right about all the bullshit he yells all the time.
To be clear, I don't believe that Alex is alive because he's too high profile to kill.
I think he's alive because none of the public figures he targets really care about what he says, and they rightly view him as an idiot.
But for 25 years, Alex has argued that he's only alive because he's high profile.
But now, I guess that doesn't mean anything.
The only reason the globalists never killed Alex before is out the window, and I guess he's been told he's fair game or something.
This is all a load of shit, and it's clearly a preemptive narrative about something.
He knows his days on air are numbered, and he's got to be sure that there's a myth in place before that, so no one thinks his downfall was his own fault.
For posterity's sake, he has to make sure you know that he was the victim in all this.
Yeah, which is great.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking whenever he was starting to talk about how all of right-wing media is owned by the globalists.
Is like, um, eventually, when he goes down, everybody's going to talk about it.
There is going to be a national day of dunking on Alex.
It will become a lot of people.
dan friesen
And probably a lot of right-wing media will even sell him out.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
Sell him out pretty hard.
jordan holmes
Of course they will.
dan friesen
Because they will want to differentiate themselves from him somehow.
Oh, yeah.
In order to sort of push him underwater so they can get some error or whatever.
jordan holmes
No, the way the machine works on the right-wing media is the moment somebody goes down, everybody on the right-wing media piles on all of our problems, all of the things that we've fucked up forever, those are him.
And that's not us.
dan friesen
We are not like him.
jordan holmes
See, he went down, so he must be the only one who actually did something wrong.
alex jones
Yep.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
I think Alex knows that.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex has been yelling about Bill Gates forever.
He hates the dude.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
Sure.
In this next clip, Alex talks about how listeners have been sending him intel on Bill Gates.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
It's funny because you've been studying him for decades, apparently, allegedly.
But now he's got new information.
There's one piece of new information which we'll get to at the end of this episode, and it is a dud.
jordan holmes
Is it this?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
What is this?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
The listeners and the general public are doing deep dives right now, and they're flooding us with documents and videos I've never seen before.
Like, you'd think I know everything about Bill Gates.
jordan holmes
I don't like that.
alex jones
I get physically ill when I have to look at him or read about the stuff he's doing because he's murdering me and my family.
unidentified
He's killing me.
alex jones
He's killing my children.
And he thinks it's funny.
And most of the public thinks it's funny, too, and it's not.
And if I've got a die so that he can't go on killing everybody, that's fine.
And I want him to know that.
I'm not scared of him.
I'm scared of not taking action.
And he runs the whole thing, folks.
He's in charge of the planet.
dan friesen
So, I mean, what you've got here is why it's really smart for Alex to have kind of multiple big villains.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because Soros doesn't work right now.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It doesn't work.
But when there were counter-demonstrations and protests to the right-wing marches and stuff like that, Soros is the perfect villain.
So Bill Gates falls out of favor for Alex, and he focuses largely on Soros.
jordan holmes
Even though Bill Gates controls everything, apparently.
dan friesen
Or maybe that fact-checker is all in charge, even above Bill Gates.
jordan holmes
Right.
And then Soros is somehow in the middle.
Right.
dan friesen
Everyone is still in play.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But the particular villain of this season is whichever one is more primary to the narratives and the sort of the themes.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
You got Bill Gates here for stuff like this.
Whenever there's funding of Antifa is the primary narratives, you got Soros.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And this is how this works.
jordan holmes
I just had the image of some aide, some personal assistant to Bill Gates, just like walking up to him, leaning down real close, and just whispering in his ear: Alex Jones wants you to know that he will gladly die if it keeps you from killing people.
And Bill Gates just nodding George W. Bush style, just like, kill him.
All right, get him.
dan friesen
Or he just pulls out a button.
So, oh, that's a load of bullshit.
Now, this is one of my favorite things in the world.
We know that Alex believes that movies are reality.
jordan holmes
They are reality.
dan friesen
But Alex chose a really wrong example.
jordan holmes
Cool Hand Luke?
dan friesen
No.
Cool World.
jordan holmes
Ah.
dan friesen
Not that either.
alex jones
And again, why did Ian Fleming, who was like number three in command at MI6, OSS and World War II, why did he write Moonraker in the 60s?
Where there's a world government of secret scientists that release a bioweapon to kill the entire human population, they go to a space station to be safe.
In reality, they're going to go into bunkers.
Why would the number three guy in MI6 write a book about that?
Because, folks, that's the point.
jordan holmes
Because we had just gone to fucking space.
dan friesen
Nope.
Ian Fleming was never third in command at MI6.
During World War II, he was the personal assistant to Rear Admiral John Godfrey, the director of naval intelligence, so he was in the mix of some intelligent stuff.
But Alex is inflating that.
Also, Moonraker came out in 1955, not in the 60s.
Also, all the stuff Alex is talking about, none of that stuff is in Ian Fleming's book version of Moonraker.
That's all just from the movie, which Ian Fleming did not write the screenplay for, and pretty much has nothing to do with other than the book has the same title.
You see, what happened was that in the closing credits of The Spy Who Loved Me, it says Bond will be back in For Your Eyes Only, which was planned to be the next Bond movie produced.
But then Star Wars came out, and it was a gigantic box office hit.
The producers decided to shelve For Your Eyes Only and go with something that could involve space, and the title Moonraker is about as space-sounding as Fleming's titles got.
The plot of the book is that there's a guy named Hugo Drax who's building a nuclear missile defense system for England called Moonraker.
It turns out Drax is secretly a Nazi, and he's planned this whole thing in order to nuke London.
Bond foils the plan, it saves the day, more or less your standard Bond storyline.
No space, no false flags, no bioweapons, or hiding out in orbit or bunkers or whatever.
The film version is a bit different.
However, it wasn't written by Ian Fleming.
It was written by a guy named Christopher Wood, who had previously written a series of sex rops under the pen name Timothy Lee.
The entire plot was changed.
Moonraker was no longer a defense system.
It was a space shuttle.
In the movie version, Drax plans to head to space and then release Nerve Gas onto the planet to kill people, eventually repopulating the planet with people he thinks are from good stock.
There's plenty of discussion about this among Bond fans.
So this is a completely different movie from the book that Fleming wrote.
And it's super, super clear that the reason that they were doing that was trying to cash in on Star Wars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I do recall that.
dan friesen
Also, most people who like Bond movies think Moonraker sucks.
jordan holmes
It does suck.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex has just seen that movie and thinks that it's in any way connected to the book that Ian Fleming wrote.
He has literally no idea what he's talking about.
He's just making shit up.
Please understand, Alex has just seen movies and pretends that he's done research.
He's a fucking idiot.
jordan holmes
That is annoying.
I didn't know that about Moonraker.
That's interesting to know.
dan friesen
It's literally the worst example Alex could use.
And pretending like Ian Fleming wrote this to externalize the plan.
jordan holmes
That's so funny.
dan friesen
He's never read Moonraker.
jordan holmes
That is so funny.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I cannot believe that he would.
unidentified
Because of course.
jordan holmes
Well, you can get away with it.
It's not like anybody has read Moonraker.
dan friesen
A lot of people have.
jordan holmes
Not who listened to Alex Jones.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
No, so you can get away with it.
Bond fan.
Yeah, everybody will be like, Moonraker from the movie.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's also a feature of a number of Bond movies.
They're not necessarily really accurate to the books.
Yeah, I mean, Ian Fleming's books.
jordan holmes
The books aren't great.
I don't know.
dan friesen
I've never actually read them.
I'm not super interested in that genre.
I've not seen a lot of the Bond movies either because I think they're, first of all, a little bit shit.
Just from sort of like interpersonal issues.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Him sport fucking everybody.
jordan holmes
It's a little bit old.
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I just, I don't know if I love spy genre.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
It's just not.
I don't find it all that interesting.
jordan holmes
I can think of From Russia with Love, that one, that was a good Bond film.
Yeah.
And then I think we're pretty much done after that.
You only die.
dan friesen
Never say never again.
jordan holmes
You can't say never again.
You can never say that.
dan friesen
GoldenEye.
I love GoldenEye.
jordan holmes
Did you like Goldeneye?
dan friesen
I know that.
I remember that because of the video game.
jordan holmes
I just love Sean Bean in anything.
I'll watch Sean Bean die in anything.
dan friesen
Oh, I thought you were saying Sean Bean was Bond.
jordan holmes
No, Sean Bean was 006 in that one.
dan friesen
I do like the theme song.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's great.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's the theme song.
I like the opening credits.
Those are pretty fun.
You know, and they got the barrel.
Yeah, that's great stuff.
dan friesen
Austin Powers sucks.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
That scene in The Simpsons, whenever Scorpio, that one's based on a Bond film, huh?
dan friesen
Even when I was a kid, I thought fucking Austin Powers sucked.
I did like the Pink Panther, though.
That's kind of spotty.
jordan holmes
No, the Pink Panther.
dan friesen
But that's more of a jewel thief situation.
That's less of like a direct parody of Bond.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but Pink Panther is so funny.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I love that.
I love that frame.
jordan holmes
Pink Panther holds up, by the way.
dan friesen
I watched it recently.
Although it's still a very different movie than you think.
Of course.
It's not a zany.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
It's very slow at the beginning.
But I like it.
David Niven.
jordan holmes
He's great.
dan friesen
He's the best.
jordan holmes
He played Bond once.
dan friesen
Let's stop this.
Okay, so Alex thinks that Moonraker is the real world plan.
That's fucking hilarious.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is talking about this, how Moonraker is the real globalist's plan and what have you.
And obviously, as we've just discussed, he's completely stupid.
But this gets into him talking about like the globalists want to exterminate people.
And he kind of says that he's cool with some extermination.
jordan holmes
Who isn't?
alex jones
And remember, there's some truth to the fact that in some areas, obviously, humans are weighing down the environment.
Things aren't innovating.
There's massive IQ plunging and just hellish conditions.
jordan holmes
And the solution for that?
alex jones
Who's going to carry out the extermination?
Who decides who dies?
dan friesen
Whoa.
alex jones
You find out it's run by people like Bill Gates and Bill Clinton who are sickos and it's all about power.
And then you find out they're hitting the entire genetic line of the public and have programs designed to target leadership males with high IQs and to target them for drugging and then for not having positions in society.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Love to hear that Alex's opposition to extermination is conditional.
jordan holmes
That's great.
dan friesen
Great to hear that that's not absolute.
jordan holmes
I'm interested to know how this whole eugenics scheme would be better.
And yet somehow this one, see, the problem with this whole eugenics thing where we're exterminating people is this one's about power, Dan.
If I were exterminating people, it wouldn't be about power.
dan friesen
It'd be about my power.
jordan holmes
It'd be about my power.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, I think that if you're a sincere actor and you're opposed to the sort of thing like eugenics or an extermination, it wouldn't be like, my problem is who's carrying it out.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Your problem would be that it's happening or that it is a thing.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
You would think that would be your problem.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Your opposition to it would be fundamental as opposed to like, hey, if we kill off everybody in the Sudan or whatever, that's cool.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And at no point in time does he ever consider a more equal distribution of resources could also solve this problem.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Do you know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
No, that's communism.
jordan holmes
He's just starting at the place of, well, obviously we need to exterminate people.
That's the only explanation for what's going on.
dan friesen
I'm not saying that he's saying we need to, but I'm saying that he's saying that it's, hey, get it.
jordan holmes
If you say we get it, I don't know if there's a middle ground on there.
dan friesen
Personally, I don't think that there is a middle ground.
But in terms of just taking him by the strictness of his words, he's not advocating extermination.
He's just saying it would be okay if Bill Gates wasn't.
Right, right, right, right, of course.
Which is shit.
jordan holmes
You need an ethical extermination, Dan.
That's the real issue here.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And they don't need to target high IQ males like he thinks himself to be.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You'll be safe in that targeting round, Alex.
dan friesen
In this next clip, Alex makes a prediction about what we'll see in the future.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I swear to God.
jordan holmes
Moonraker?
dan friesen
I think this is from a movie.
I don't know what it is.
Maybe Demolition Man.
All right.
Maybe one of those.
jordan holmes
Do you know what the three seashells are?
That's what this is.
dan friesen
No, I don't know.
jordan holmes
It's about the three seashells.
dan friesen
Demolition Man.
It's one of those other shit movies.
I don't know.
This is some sort of.
jordan holmes
Are you saying the Demolition Man is a shit movie?
dan friesen
I might be.
alex jones
And you're going to wake up one day, folks.
And there are going to be people dying and throwing up.
They'll go, everybody, stay in your houses.
It's okay.
And then the robot trash trucks are going to come around and a robot's going to go in and put you and your dead family in the back of that trash truck.
jordan holmes
Repo man.
alex jones
If you keep submitting like this, I think they're five years out from that.
If you don't submit, 10, 15.
dan friesen
So it's inevitable.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Is that a repo, man?
I don't know.
It feels like it's robot trash trucks within five years.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, okay.
I'm going to put that in the ledger for predictions.
jordan holmes
All right.
So let me ask you this.
dan friesen
2025, the next year of the Seltzer, we'll find out if there's robot trash trucks.
Also, robot trash trucks might be something that does happen, but not for like picking up corpses.
jordan holmes
I think robot trash trucks will be here.
And if there are corpses necessary to be picked up by only robot trash trucks.
dan friesen
I highly doubt that.
I'm sorry.
jordan holmes
Go ahead.
I just wonder what would be preferable.
If you know it's going to happen either way, doesn't it make sense to just like get it over and done with as opposed to being like, hey, we'll fight as hard as we can for an extra 10 years?
dan friesen
No, because Alex's whole thing is it's about stalling the globalists' plans.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That's the only thing that's really worth pursuing.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
So no.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, you could, I mean, if we've only got...
dan friesen
Ten years is preferable to five.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
No, if we got five years, then we could use that five years to grow as people and more humanly connect with others.
dan friesen
But if we have 10 years, we could spend all that time fighting against this and not grow at all.
jordan holmes
Ooh, now that I like.
dan friesen
And then sell food buckets and make a lot of money.
jordan holmes
You sold me on that, not the food bucket.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
So we're in a situation where, you know, people are, you know, we're wearing masks.
We're trying to distance as best as we can.
Sure.
And Alex wants to talk solutions because we're in a situation in the world that requires solutions.
And Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with a more equal distribution of resources.
Is that what he knows?
alex jones
Let's talk about solutions.
I'm not wearing masks in these stores.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
Solution.
alex jones
Oh, if you're having an anxiety attack, they can't make you do it.
Or if you have a medical reason.
And so we're going to print some of these up on Infowars and you just make your own.
But be up you.
But see, I have a psychological disorder in my physician, Dr. Kornbluth, whatever you want to put on there, says so.
dan friesen
So Alex is suggesting that people fake conditions in order to be able to wear masks or not wear masks.
And he's going to sell masks that say that or something.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I've got a solution for you, Dan.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Fraud.
dan friesen
More revenue streams.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex explains that if anything happens to him, it was Bill Gates.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Which is continuing this trend of like real doom.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
You know, the threats I get and the death threats and the, you know, just amazing stuff, folks.
And I'm not living to get into it yet, but it's future.
And then, you know, about that.
And by the way, these groups have tried to buy me off as well.
And other folks, it's worked on them.
It's not working on me.
Okay.
And remember, anything happens to me, Bill Gates.
unidentified
Same for you.
alex jones
He's coming after all of you too.
jordan holmes
Anything happens to you.
alex jones
All of you will take care of things.
But the big thing here is taking care of our children.
I'll talk about that next hour.
Also, taking care of yourself.
We have storable food available for the last 25 years.
It's high quality.
You need to get it.
dan friesen
Can't miss an opportunity to sell.
jordan holmes
Racing, racing through that ad pitch.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex goes into a long thing about how, like, the globalists want you in cities, right?
So, what they're doing is they're raising taxes to make it so you can't live in rural areas or something.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know about that.
But be that as it may, Alex's solution seems to be that he wants people to start like extremist fraud.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Extremist right-wing compounds.
alex jones
All of you again.
What are you going to do about it?
We have to establish communities.
And I do this low-key too.
We don't want cults.
You don't want to call them cults.
None of that.
You just need to have communities that say, hey, we're not liberal.
We're not conservative.
We want to conserve humanity.
We're pro-human.
And just have laws where real safety studies that are out there have to be followed and where all this crap's prohibited.
And we're not going to have the local convicted pedophile.
Come have, you know, the five-year-old sit in their lap at school and just where all this evil is not allowed.
And they're going to attack those communities.
It's okay.
That'll drive us closer together to make us stronger.
But the exodus has to happen.
We have to get out of these cities fast.
We can't wait anymore.
We've got, we've got to launch a worldwide movement to escape the kill grid.
The cities are giant mass murder bioweapon electromagnetic cookers.
dan friesen
Thank God you made sure to point out this wasn't a cult.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Don't call it a cult.
jordan holmes
I kind of got the feel that that would be a cult.
Yeah.
Well, it's either a cult or a terror cell.
I don't think there's much difference between what he's describing.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Extreme separatist community of some sort.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
And that, generally speaking, extreme separatists have been shown to be pro-human.
Right.
They accept everybody.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
They definitely don't build these walls and fire guns at them.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
No, that would be crazy.
They're pro-human.
dan friesen
Love them.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex has a guest.
This is where everything goes so fucking wrong on this episode.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I love it.
This is this.
I ended up like, okay, Alex has two guests.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't want to spoil anything, but I looked into them for no reason.
unidentified
So they've got some substantive kind of, but it's you'll see what happens.
dan friesen
So here's Alex introducing the first guest.
alex jones
Dr. Shiva Idurai has an amazing background.
MIT, override scholar, the inventor of email.
I'm not going to go over his whole bio for these prestigious guys, but he's not like Fauci, who gives us all these fake models that are now been 30, 40, 50 times worse than what a reality was.
dan friesen
So first things first, Shiva Idura is a rare person on Infowars who actually has some credentials.
He has a PhD in biological engineering from MIT, but the claim that he invented email is where things start to get a little off track.
Shiva claims that in 1978 or 1979 or maybe 1980, at the age of 14, he invented email and that his achievement has not been recognized because he's not white and he didn't work in the realm of the system.
This is one possibility or another possibility that some people have pointed out is that email existed prior to 1978.
There were large computer networks that were linked for communications in the early 1970s through ARPANET.
And I have no idea what to even do with these claims.
Idure wanted the Smithsonian to recognize him as the inventor of email, so he sent them a bunch of documentation.
And this is the Smithsonian statement upon review.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Quote, exchanging messages through computer systems, what most people call email, predates the work of Idura.
However, the museum found Ayudoure's materials served as signposts to several stories about the American experience.
So they accepted his materials because they reflected his experience in the early days of computing.
And that was relevant to history, but it didn't show that he invented email.
The big piece of evidence that I Duray has that he's the inventor is that he has a 1982 copyright claim for email.
But it's not for email, it's for his specific program that he wrote.
jordan holmes
Did it?
dan friesen
This claim is clearly undefendable in court, seeing as he doesn't own Gmail.
And places like the Washington Post have had to print corrections after accidentally referring to him as the inventor of email.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
I personally have no stake in this.
I could care less whether or not this guy invented email.
But there are some people, like folks in the world of computing history, who are not so chill about this.
They do not like Shiva Idura, and some have had some pretty scathing responses to his claims.
People are quick to praise the fact that he was a teenager and he made a program to send emails to a small group of computers in the 70s.
Like, there's nothing to take away from that.
jordan holmes
No, that's cool as shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the consensus I seem to see is that he didn't create anything that didn't already exist.
Outside of this stuff, especially lately, Ayodure has become a bit of a public kook.
In 2018, he tried to run as a Republican in the Massachusetts midterm election, hoping to unseat Elizabeth Warren.
jordan holmes
Did he do it?
dan friesen
I suspect he had the good sense to realize he wasn't going to make it out of the GOP primary, so he ran as an independent, ultimately getting 3.4% of the vote.
jordan holmes
That's not terrible.
dan friesen
No, I mean, some.
jordan holmes
That's pretty respectable.
dan friesen
It's not much, but it's something.
unidentified
It is.
dan friesen
At this point, he's running in the GOP primary for the 2020 election, hoping to unseat Ed Markey.
I predict he'll be running as an independent again.
Since the coronavirus situation has broken out, I durée has gone full-on conspiracy weirdo and started spouting a bunch of the bullshit narratives we've heard Alex disseminate.
On March 23rd, he published a letter that he sent to Trump where he talked shit about Dr. Fauci and suggested that all people needed was some vitamins and iodine.
unidentified
Hey!
dan friesen
He'll be good to go with no need to quarantine or distance or anything like that.
jordan holmes
I invented a way to send that through a computer network.
dan friesen
This is a non-medical doctor sending unsolicited medical recommendations to the president, which is the hallmark of a non-crazy person.
One of the main angles lately has been to get Dr. Fauci fired.
That's one of his big things.
jordan holmes
They love that shit.
dan friesen
As he told Politico, quote, we have bureaucrats who run science and bureaucrats who run medicine, and you can talk to pretty much anyone in academia.
They'll tell you behind closed doors that Fauci epitomizes that.
Ooh, Fauci, this disgusting bureaucrat who graduated first in his class at Cornell Medical School, who holds a medical degree, unlike Idura.
Idouray and past Infor's guest and fellow Senate campaign loser Diana Lorraine are two of the most prominent voices in the fire Fauci camp.
And this has nothing to do with directly with Idura, but I wanted to read this little passage from Politico about Lorraine's complaints about Fauci.
Quote, his projections have changed constantly.
I think he first started predicting 2 million plus deaths, Lorraine complained, saying she understood the number as the total number of projected deaths.
Quote, and now it's down to 60,000.
And you know why such a sudden change?
That's a pretty drastic change.
The 2 million plus number comes from the famous Imperial College study, forecasting the results of an environment with no social distancing measures taken at all.
Lower mortality projections are the result of extreme social distancing, such as shelter-in-place orders and business closures.
Lorraine said she did not know about that distinction.
jordan holmes
There you go.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
There you go.
I appreciate her honesty.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
I appreciate her just being like, oh, I guess I should.
dan friesen
Oh, I guess I don't know what I'm talking about.
jordan holmes
I think I might be an idiot.
Am I stupid?
dan friesen
But also, isn't that weird how that's exactly the complaint Alex was making about Fauci in the introduction for Shiva Idurai?
jordan holmes
It does seem consistent.
Yeah.
dan friesen
People are reactionary, childish idiots.
Anyway, it doesn't look like Iduray invented email, and he's in the middle of just like this lunatic blitz trying to rile up the Trump base for his doomed run in the 2020 congressional election.
It's all very pathetic and dumb, but it's also causing direct harm to people, probably.
So I hope he has trouble sleeping at night.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'd be a real bummer to invent something and then suddenly put your head like you're in your room like studying and you're trying to get everything and you invent this system and you're like, this shit is going to change the world.
And then you pop your head out and everybody's like, we've had that for a while now.
And you're like, motherfucker.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it would still be really impressive.
And I think that you could probably impress it.
I think you could probably get a lot of respect within those worlds if you didn't.
Insist you needed to be seen as the inventor of the like trying to take away the work and the achievements of people who came before you.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
I think turns off a lot of people.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
They kind of think you're an asshole.
jordan holmes
This isn't like an Isaac Newton situation where nobody else had shared it with anybody before, and then he invents it and they're like, no, no, no, we already found it.
No, he didn't do it.
dan friesen
No.
So Idi Ray is going to be on here in a minute.
Dr. Shiva, as he's known by his fans.
But before that, Alex says something profoundly stupid.
alex jones
How many have died worldwide from the virus?
That they're hyping up and counting every death that has these tests for COVID-19 that they admit are all incorrect, almost all of them false positives.
If you've ever had the flu in the last year or so, you test positive.
If you have the coronavirus, there's thousands of them.
Well, then it test positive COVID-19.
And the people that are rallying around the hysteria in the left want to keep America shut down.
They want to create a mental illness.
They want to create a phobia where you just expect, oh, you can't go in the ocean.
Sharks will eat you.
Even though only about 30 people a year get eaten by sharks worldwide, they estimate.
jordan holmes
You got to.
alex jones
Well, this is a lot worse than that.
193,000 worldwide.
dan friesen
Alex is just making up that part about the tests for COVID-19 all being false positives.
He has literally nothing to back that up other than just repeating it over and over again.
More importantly, Alex is severely overestimating the number of people eaten by sharks every year.
jordan holmes
I was going to say.
dan friesen
He's saying that there are 30 people eaten by sharks every year, when in reality, it's only four people who are killed by sharks every year on average.
Last year, it was only two.
Now, this might seem like a minuscule distinction, and it might feel like I'm nitpicking, but I'm not.
The difference between four and 30 is a 750% error, which is very significant.
And sure, you can say that I'm being a dick.
The point Alex is trying to make is that there aren't that many shark attacks, but we fear them because of movie depictions and stuff like that.
And fair enough.
I'm not disputing that point.
I'm saying that Alex just made up the 30 number to try and act like he actually knows how many people get eaten by sharks every year.
He doesn't.
It's completely made up as a number.
He just wants, just trying to make up a number that sounds small to him, but in actuality, it's way, way higher than the real world number.
This is a deceptively important point.
A lot of the time, Alex knows something.
In this case, that there aren't that many shark attacks.
He wants to convey that point that we think that there are more shark attacks than there actually are because he wants to use that as an analog to the virus.
But he thinks that just saying there aren't that many shark attacks, that doesn't sound good enough to be convincing and authoritative.
So he just makes up something to fill in the gaps.
He knows his audience have no idea how many people are eaten by sharks, and he knows that they'll just believe whatever number he says.
So he pulls 30 out of his ass.
He does this all the time with small details like this and big narratives.
This is what he does with headlines.
He knows what the headline of an article says, so he just runs with that and makes up the details of what he assumes are in the article.
He's seen the movie Moonraker, so he just assumes the book is the same, and he makes up stuff about Ian Fleming writing it in order to reveal the globalist plots.
A microcosm of Alex's career is very well encapsulated in a throwaway lie about people getting eaten by sharks.
Just makes stuff up in order to fill in the gaps that he wants to.
It's all nonsense.
Once you start to realize that, you really start to see it everywhere.
jordan holmes
There's another small problem with that is that this isn't like sharks because the only way it would be like sharks is if when you got bitten by a shark, you became a shark yourself.
Then maybe there's a little bit of a two of that.
dan friesen
That is a part of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is not a shark bites are not a communicable disease.
dan friesen
Also, there's a little difference between like being eaten by sharks and being killed by sharks.
So we get to Dr. Shiva coming in, and there's trouble right out of the gate because Alex, like I said, he has two guests on that episode.
And it turns out that Dr. Shiva does not like Alex's other guest.
dr shiva ayyadurai
Big pharma is failing.
They need to put in big vaccines.
And as we've gone after them, like bloodhounds, particularly with the fire Fauci campaign and the immune system work I've done, you know what happens, Alex?
There are people like Robert Kennedy Jr., who's been in this movement for a long freaking time, who has suppressed this movement from people building a bottoms-up movement, who goes finds other people, like one of the guys you're going to have on your show, and pushes those people forward.
They speak the same rhetoric, but they're Zippo on Hillary Clinton.
Nothing.
Because Robert Kennedy endorsed Hillary Clinton three times, and the entire Kennedy family, post-John Kennedy, is institutionalized, not so obvious establishment.
alex jones
But listen, I know you're in Massachusetts, and so we just so happen to have this other guest that you disagree with on later.
You're welcome to get into that person as well.
Let's just stop for a minute.
Let's just stop for a minute.
We're going to go break in a minute.
I don't care if guests disagree with our guests on the show.
I'm not running a cult here.
I know you're a really smart guy.
I want to get into the big picture.
We don't allow bashing of Hillary Clinton here.
I'm joking.
dan friesen
So Alex is deflecting there a bit, and he rushes to break after Dr. Shiva says this stuff about how his other guest who's coming up is a shill.
And you know that because he works with Robert Kennedy Jr., who's a limited hangout to try and corrupt the anti-vax.
jordan holmes
Oh, he works with Robert Kennedy.
I thought Robert Kennedy Jr. was about to be on the show, and I was like, man, I did not know he was crazy.
dan friesen
No, he is.
He's an anti-vex dude.
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Really?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Isn't that, you didn't know that?
jordan holmes
No, I don't give a shit about the Kennedys.
Why would I give a fuck about the Kennedys?
They're, you know, like they had two good ones.
Maybe.
I don't even know if I would give them two.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, Robert Kennedy Jr. is one of the big players in the anti-vex world.
jordan holmes
Oh, he should be stopped.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Not in a Kennedy way.
dan friesen
I think most people just kind of like, all right, whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, yeah, Alex's other guest is somehow associated with Robert Kennedy Jr.
So Dr. Shiva believes him to be a shill because he won't point the finger at Hillary Clinton hard enough or something.
So Alex rushes to break, and here's how he comes back from break.
alex jones
There's a lot of crazy stuff going on here.
And I really like Dr. Shiva Adiore.
He really is a smart guy.
I enjoy hearing him talk.
And we happen to have this Dr. Rashid Batar already set up.
He's been criticizing Bill Gates.
She's been criticizing the vaccines.
And man, Dr. Shiva Ray was getting really upset saying, well, I can't be on the same time with this guy.
I'm like, well, you're not going to be on the same time with him.
He's like, well, I can't come on if that guy's going to be on.
I'm like, well, I don't do the ultimatum stuff.
So that's just the way it is.
And, you know, the show kind of becomes this deal of, oh, this guy's coming up for Hillary Clinton.
I'm like, telling him on air and off-air.
I'm like, go ahead.
And if you dislike somebody and you want to come on the show and we're talking about that, you can do it.
But so many people, these media shows become who can go on whose show.
People always say, don't go on Alex Jones' show.
And then people say, well, if you have that person on, I won't go on your show.
And I just don't do that.
I don't do that.
That's not what I'm involved in.
Everything's completely transparent here.
And I mean, I guess I'll still have this Dr. Rashid Batar on.
I want to hear what he has to say because he's criticizing Bill Gates and talking about Fauci being full of crap.
And we know that Fauci is full of baloney.
And so we're here exposing that, and that's what we do.
So there's that train wreck that you just saw part of off-air.
And so I think I'm going to just probably table this issue and move on.
dan friesen
I'd do that too.
So apparently, Dr. Shiva really, really doesn't like this Rashid Batar character to the point where he is now gone.
He has just left.
jordan holmes
Wow, there.
dan friesen
He was on the show for like two minutes, talked some shit, Alex rushed to break, and now he's gone.
Who knows what the fuck happened there?
But I can tell you this with absolute certainty.
I don't care.
jordan holmes
He had his own duel of the fates there between his doctors, Dan.
That's what happened.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex says that Rashid Battar is a medical doctor.
As it turns out, he's an osteopath, which in and of itself isn't a horrible thing, but when you're an osteopath on Infowars, you're automatically very suspect.
And suspect is a great word for Batar.
In 2007, the North Carolina Medical Board recommended that Batar no longer be allowed to treat children and cancer patients after founding that he charged a whole bunch of money to apply unproven treatments on patients.
Incidentally, one of the treatments he apparently used was IV hydrogen peroxide, which is bleach.
jordan holmes
Hey!
dan friesen
The reason that the board wanted to stop him from treating cancer patients is because his unproven and ineffective treatments were severely dangerous.
The reason they wanted him to stop treating children was because part of his hustle was claiming that his chelation treatments could, quote, cure autism.
jordan holmes
I thought we were going to get there.
dan friesen
Yeah, which was, of course, caused by vaccines.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Boutar is famous because he had an association with fellow anti-vaxxer Jenny McCarthy and because the media played along with his bullshit in 2009.
An aspiring cheerleader for the Washington football team named Desiree Jennings claimed that a flu shot had given her dystonia, a neurological disorder, but she was cured by Boutar's chelation treatments.
unidentified
Oh, God.
dan friesen
There are so many problems with her story.
Chief among them, according to the initial story about her case in the Lewden Times, she saw over 60 doctors trying to diagnose her condition.
From the article, quote, Desiree has seen her primary care physician, physical therapist, speech therapist, neurologist, neuropsychologist, psychiatrist, and a bevy of nurses.
Amazingly, it was her physical therapist who provided the clinical diagnosis, dystonia.
That's intensely suspicious.
The fact that she saw a neurologist who didn't catch this, but somehow her physical therapist did, that's weird.
I have no idea what the reality of the situation is, but I don't see any proof that this is what she had, nor do I see any evidence that this was caused by a flu shot, nor do I see any evidence that Batar did anything to cure her.
Jennings' case was championed by Jenny McCarthy and her group Generation and Rescue as an argument against vaccines.
And the media ran with it on shows like Inside Edition.
jordan holmes
Hey!
dan friesen
They pointed to the fact that her case was reported to the vaccine adverse event reporting system to give it elevated credibility, although that would end up being a bad move.
These reports in that system don't contain identifying information, but they are public.
And dystonia is super rare.
So there aren't many cases that are filed with that as a symptom.
The examiner looked into it and found her adverse event report, and it includes this line.
Quote, the admitting neurologist felt that there was a strong psychogenic component to the symptomology and made a final diagnosis of weakness.
I don't mean to mock Jennings at all because it's entirely clear that she was very likely suffering with a real condition and that she was trying to get help with.
It just doesn't seem like this had anything to do with the flu shot.
It's really just unfortunate that in all likelihood she was used by people with a ridiculous anti-vaccination agenda.
And anyway, that's how Rashid Batar got a bunch of attention by being attached to this case.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
More recently, he's become notable as a coronavirus conspiracy theorist and talking some basic ass Infor War shit about Fauci and Bill Gates.
jordan holmes
Man, I remember whenever I was still doing the hearing aids thing, somebody told me that their yoga instructor told them that they had Lyme disease.
And they just were like.
So we went to the real doctor, or they didn't say real doctor, but I'm editorializing there.
We went to the doctor and he said that nothing was wrong.
So then we went to Florida and tried these experimental treatments for Lyme disease.
unidentified
And you're like, oh, God, no.
jordan holmes
No.
Why did you do that?
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
And so sad.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Rashid Batar is one of these folks who profits off that stuff.
So anyway, Alex is still going to talk to him, or maybe he's not.
alex jones
So enough drama.
Let's move on from this, guys.
Enough drama.
Shut it down.
I love guests and stuff, but quite frankly, our ratings are higher.
We don't have guests.
Man, I like guests, but I don't just do things for ratings.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
She has extremely high ratings everywhere it's put on her by knows that.
jordan holmes
I do things for money.
alex jones
A lot of times we should take a break from the gas, man, because, you know, it just becomes a big, giant.
I just.
jordan holmes
Cluster fuck.
alex jones
I went out of junior high and junior high, and I wanted out a junior high.
And I wanted out of high school when I was in high school.
And I just, it's just not the waters in which I swim.
jordan holmes
School?
alex jones
In fact, we're going to cancel all the guests today.
Turn into fiasco.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
All right.
So I ended up looking into both of these dudes for no reason.
unidentified
They both, like, Shiva ends up bailing and Alex cancels Dr. Batar.
dan friesen
What the fuck?
Just nonsense.
Hey, look, these two people are being dramatic little babies, so cancel it all.
I don't give a shit.
jordan holmes
All right.
I like that totally grown-up response to somebody whining one time.
dan friesen
Yeah, very much.
I love that Alex is scolding them for immature and being a baby.
jordan holmes
You guys are children, so I'm going to take my ball and go home.
And my dad is going to be real mad.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So left to his own devices, Alex starts rambling, and he ends up complaining more about how no one seems to care about all these people starving.
alex jones
Civilization's very tenuous, and it's breaking down irrevocably right now.
It may be too late to avoid a gigantic, deep, prolonged depression.
An extra 20 million people on top of the 10 million already starving to death are dying right now.
These are real people.
These are little kids with ribs sticking out on them, okay?
And my God, the liberals are always like, oh, let's go take abandoned dogs and cats and let's take them in and take care of them.
Okay, great.
How about we take care of some people?
Because you write off all those people.
You've just written yourself and everything else off.
It's just that simple.
dan friesen
Obviously, I agree with Alex that more should be done to address the severe issue of world hunger.
But I have to ask why he hasn't cared about this up until now, very recently.
jordan holmes
It seems very convenient that this would pop up right now.
dan friesen
If he was so concerned with people starving in the developing world, why did he support Ron Paul, who's been preaching the gospel of eliminating all foreign aids since at least 1980, which would lead to the deaths of untold numbers of people?
Why hasn't Alex cared at all that an average of 9 million people die of hunger-related conditions every year?
Why hasn't that been a part of his normal coverage?
Let's say back in 2017.
Is it possible because he doesn't give a fuck about the actual issue and he's only using it as a political prop in order to justify his other positions and pretend like he has some kind of a moral high ground?
Let me answer that for you.
It is.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
I find it that there would probably be an overlap between the people that he would be fine with getting exterminated and the people currently starving to death.
Now, that's just my general view.
dan friesen
I would imagine.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you consult the World Counts, which tracks hunger statistics, you'll see that a lot of progress has been made in terms of tackling the world hunger crisis, but there's still a lot of work to do.
In 1990, there were over 1 billion people living in hunger, but by 2015, that number was down to 784 million.
Obviously, still way too many, but that's a drop of about 20%, which is not nothing.
Every year since then, we've seen a reversal of that trend.
And by 2018, we're back up to 822 million people struggling with hunger and undernourishment.
One of the big issues surrounding this, according to the UN, is that countries where hunger is on the rise are seeing rising income inequality, which is compounding the problem for the most vulnerable populations.
Water is another crisis, and both of these issues are only going to get worse as the effects of climate change become more pronounced.
This is a very complicated and serious issue, one that the UN and affiliated non-governmental organizations do a tremendous amount of work combating and trying to find solutions to.
It's deeply disgraceful for Alex to point to all the people around the world living in severe food insecurity and pretend that somehow if we were able to go to the movies, it would all be okay.
It wouldn't be.
But don't kid yourself.
It's a societal decision we're making not to put more resources towards solving these problems.
It's a policy decision to fund or not fund programs that provide food to vulnerable people.
And Trump doesn't seem too interested in the kind of policies that fund that stuff.
In his 2021 budget proposal, Trump looked to cut more than $180 billion from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or approximately 30% of its budget, over the next 10 years.
This would come along with cuts to programs to provide free or reduced price school meals for kids in need.
Trump doesn't give a fuck about hungry people in the country he's the president of.
How can you even pretend for a second he cares about people who are hungry in a foreign country?
It's fucking absurd.
Considering how many times Trump has talked about and followed through with cutting funding to the UN, you have to assume he doesn't really give a shit about the effect that could have on the ability of things like the World Food Program operating.
Here's what I would say.
I admire Alex caring about people in the developing world dealing with hunger, even though I know he's only pretending to care.
I don't want to succumb to cynicism here.
So I'll try to build on the pretend concern he's presenting.
And I challenge him to look in the mirror and realize that the only two politicians he's ever really loved, Ron Paul and Donald Trump, would let every last person in those foreign countries die if it meant getting rid of some taxes.
And you know who would be fighting to help those hungry people?
The same people who are now, who have been for years, the people Alex insists are the villains.
So fuck you, Alex.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Look in the mirror.
jordan holmes
It is amazing to me that billionaires don't have somebody like right next to them going, here's why you want to give away all of your money.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Income inequality is at an all-time high combined with a less access to food and water and basic housing.
Sooner or later, this is going to happen.
Your money is going to go away and you can choose whether or not you want to be around afterwards because this is not going to stand.
It's either that or they feel like they've done enough to build a perfect castle that they can watch the rest of us die and then pick up the pieces.
There's not much other thing to say other than they're stupid, I guess.
dan friesen
I don't know.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that's all awful.
And that's the last I'm going to say about his stupid starvation shit.
unidentified
Yeah, fuck.
dan friesen
Because I really find it offensive.
On a level that many of his narratives I find offensive in the same way.
But it's sort of like there's the goofy dumb shit like Moonraker that's kind of like, oh, I could talk about that all day.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then there's these things that are just like, it's repulsive.
The saying that doctors are just having orgies is right in that same sort of territory.
It's like, you go, go, just quit.
Now, Jordan, we get to the best thing.
I don't know if it's the best thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But this is really where things broke apart from the two guests fiasco.
jordan holmes
Fantastic.
dan friesen
Right.
Here is where, like, I'm already on the second episode.
Like, you know, we are, and I'm like, all right, come to the end of this thing.
Or at least it felt like it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then I was just like, oh, no, this is things, just the wheels off the wagon.
alex jones
I am your host, Alex Jones.
I want to make a very important announcement here.
This is the time to do it.
I've been pondering doing this for many, many years at different junctures that I knew that myself, the country, the world was at a particularly dangerous point, but I've really held back doing it.
jordan holmes
I'm moving in with my dad.
alex jones
In the next few days, I'm going to come into the studio, or I might just do it live.
This is just really kind of a precursor right now.
And record my last broadcast.
Or if I die broadcast, because I will be here in 5, 10, 20 years.
I hope to turn this around.
But the climate we're in, what's happening in the world, how the globalists are now moving at lightning speed at every level.
Now is the time to record the final broadcast.
A broadcast that would go out after I've been killed or silenced.
And to just really make the most important statements that need to be made in a concise, cogent way.
dan friesen
What a douche.
Alex, if you have things you want to say, just fucking say them.
Cut out the bullshit theatrics of talking about recording a special episode to be released after you die, like some kind of a low-rent dead man drop.
This dumb dumb has his own radio show with no boss, no sponsors to please, and a completely brow-beaten staff who clearly don't stop him from doing whatever the fuck he wants.
Does he really expect anyone with half a brain to believe there's some kind of real important information that he's been holding back for the past 25 years?
This is spectacular theater, though.
And it's either just Alex being a dramatic little baby, or it's him legend building.
If you're someone like Alex and you know you need a satisfying denouement that leaves people puzzling over your career forever, then what better way to do that than claim you're going to record a final episode that lays everything out and then never do it?
Rumors will fly about someone who had a copy of it.
It'll become a hot debate about what was said in this mythical tape.
The only way to make this better is if he insists on doing it on VHS because his career started analog and it's going out analog.
jordan holmes
Oh, stop it.
dan friesen
This would be awesome.
jordan holmes
God.
But the reality of it is if he did do a last episode, it would be the biggest masturbatory episode in the history.
It would be him jerking off.
There wouldn't be any new information.
There'd be like, hey, remember how great I was that time?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That was pretty great.
You remember how great I was that other time?
That was pretty great.
dan friesen
Most likely, he'll record something.
jordan holmes
I'm snonk so much.
dan friesen
He'll just record something where he's crying and yelling about the globalists, referencing Bill Joy's article in Wired, basically just going down the list of all of his buzzwords and catchphrases, and he'll end with something like, avenge me, or something equally dorky.
What I'm getting at is I refuse to get all excited about this.
I have absolutely no faith this will happen.
And if it does, I have no faith that it won't be the biggest dud of his fucking career.
jordan holmes
I will put this conspiracy theory out there.
It does exist already.
dan friesen
It's on VHS.
unidentified
It's on his face.
dan friesen
It's actually on VHS.
jordan holmes
And he pulls the computer chip out of the homeless man.
Oh, that'd be the best.
It's the legend.
That's the way it is.
dan friesen
So Alex in the first opening salvo here is saying that he's going to record this and it's going to be something that will be released once he's dead.
He very specifically said that.
But now everything changes.
alex jones
Let me just have this little short precursor to my final broadcast, which again, I hope will not be my final broadcast, but will be one that I will air as if it was my final broadcast.
So it's on record.
In case they shut us down, it at least is out there in some form, though they are good at removing things now with their AI system and all their little dutiful human helpers.
dan friesen
So now I'm confused.
Is Alex's plan to do a show where he pretends to do his final show, but it's not going to be his final show and it's not going to be something that will only be released in the event of his death?
Sounds like a guy who's really trying to hint to his audience that this shit is over, but he doesn't have the balls to just come out with it.
I mean, what is there for him to say on his fake last show?
What hasn't he had the time to say in a quarter century on air that he thinks he's going to prove in a couple hours?
jordan holmes
I'll be lying the whole time.
alex jones
Ha ha!
dan friesen
Yeah, there's that, or like, hey, globalist means Jews, guys.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, there are very few things.
dan friesen
There are very few things that I can imagine him being like, this is the end of the career review.
jordan holmes
Might as well, might as well pull this one out.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
I am Bill Hicks.
Like, what?
What would he know?
jordan holmes
What would his big secret that he's been hiding?
That tape of Reagan getting pegged was real.
Look at that.
He's got a copy of it.
dan friesen
The only way that this works satisfyingly is if he doesn't do it, but makes a big deal about how he's going to do it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Exactly what I laid out is the only way this is awesome.
jordan holmes
That would be his, that'd be the best last broadcast, too.
No, that's what he should do.
He should reveal that it is his last broadcast after saying he's going to do this whole last broadcast thing and then be like, surprise, this was it.
Well, and I didn't say a goddamn thing.
unidentified
Jordan, it kind of feels like that's what this show is.
jordan holmes
It kind of does.
dan friesen
Because it starts to get like really retrospective right after this.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
And this seems to me, like, correct me if I'm wrong.
But the way Alex is talking here, it seems like he's reflecting on his career in hindsight as opposed to it being something that's ongoing.
alex jones
It's with a real sense of urgency and sadness, but also of accomplishment and satisfaction.
That I have come much further than I ever thought I would, and I didn't ever expect to.
Oh, boy.
I was trying to warn everybody, believing there were men better than I was to put on the leadership that would want to stop a worldwide government extermination program that makes the Nazis look tame.
And there's been some resistance.
There are some people in the government systems that aren't for it, but the death cult is too well dug in and too well entrenched.
dan friesen
Globalists are too strong.
We failed.
Now they're going to do what they're going to do.
That really seems like retrospect.
That seems like I'm done.
The career is over.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's got a this is your life kind of fit.
That's a man.
That's a guy at like 58 who's worked at the same company for 33 years.
We did win and is in forced retirement.
He's given that speech of like, but also I just want to say that I accomplished a lot here.
I didn't do everything I want to do because they forced me out.
They furloughed me.
They fucking, I had seven years left on my contract.
Anyways, I thought I did a really great job.
dan friesen
It's a guy at the end of his career giving a speech, but it's a guy who failed whatever his big goal was.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But also needs to be like, I didn't totally fail.
It really feels very much like invented email after all.
So look, you know, hey, sure, globalists are too strong.
They're going to win in this round or whatever.
But Alex assures everyone that oral tradition will save us.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
I've done a lot of analysis on it and a lot of research.
We've hurt them so bad that even with AI censoring all future text through the spoken word and through the oral traditions, the truth is getting out.
And when they kill almost everybody, there will be a large human resistance of hundreds of millions that will take them out.
Humans can do anything when we're enraged and motivated.
And that's really what matters now, doesn't it?
And the good thing is, we weren't hit flat-footed.
And we're going to get these people in the end.
I won't be here.
Most of us won't be here.
But I'll assure you, the new world order is not going to get immortality.
They're not going to merge the machines.
And they sure as hell are going to pay for what they've done.
Dumbing us down, turning us against each other, promoting racism in the name of fighting it, promoting their damn Satanism and their pedophilic crap everywhere.
And I can feel God's pure rage.
jordan holmes
That way I won't.
alex jones
My body, it's distorted and it has some evil in it, but that's only my flesh.
I can feel God's pure enlightenment and pure rage at what's going on here, and I can assure the New World Order, the Hillary Clintons, the Bill Gates', the world, the Rothschilds, all of these New World Order people that you are going to be destroyed.
dan friesen
So, I mean, a lot of this is fairly standard stuff, but it's also, it also feels like exactly what I think he feels like he launched into like what his idea of my last broadcast will be.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's how it feels.
jordan holmes
It really does.
dan friesen
Look, the globalists are going to win.
I won't be around.
It's not going to happen.
But oral tradition, getting the word out.
jordan holmes
The resistance lives on.
alex jones
Exactly.
jordan holmes
The resistance lives on after us.
dan friesen
That's the dorky avenge me kind of thing that I predicted.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
So it just goes on.
And Alex is like thanking his audience for like almost like it just feels like there's some attempt at closure.
alex jones
And I can see our work together, everything you've done as listeners, as viewers, promoting the truth, being attacked for it, pushing out our articles and videos, even though they're imperfect and embarrassing in ways, but it's human.
It's real.
And it's uncoordinated because it is coordinated.
It is absolutely real, authentic, and the enemy knows that.
And they just don't know what to do about it.
And so humanity's beautiful.
unidentified
Oh, whoa.
alex jones
And we're going to make it through this together.
It's going to be rough, folks.
And I, for the first time in my life, began to feel guilt having children yesterday.
I've always known that you have to have children to bet on the universe and to get closer to God and to not be selfish and to mature and to really become your ancestors.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Projection of the future, their will for us to survive and share our time together and share our humanity.
And it's that human experience that's so beautiful.
It is the journey that's the destination.
And anyone that tells you that you're not essential, anyone that tells you you're ugly or you're bad because of where you're from or what color you are or any of that is.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
So I'm listening.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
So I'm listening to this, and it really sounds to me like a guy who's about to sign off and not come back.
And I noticed that this is the last segment of the hour.
Like he's in the middle of the last segment.
It starts to make sense.
It's Friday.
This is how he's going to wrap things up and then go on a sad weekend.
And then I realize that this is the second hour of the show.
unidentified
In theory, he still has another hour of show after this.
dan friesen
How do you recover from this kind of Academy Award lifetime achievement speech that he's on?
How do you do that and then do another normal hour of the show?
Why the fuck didn't he wait an hour to do this?
He knows how long his show is.
jordan holmes
This is crazy.
And that's another movie.
That is the broadcaster in any disaster movie where it's like, this is, look, the asteroid is coming.
We have eight hours left.
I was eternally privileged to share this time with you.
dan friesen
Humanity is beautiful.
unidentified
It is.
dan friesen
We will survive.
jordan holmes
Humanity is beautiful.
Jesus.
dan friesen
And fuck you, Alex, with anyone tries to make you feel bad for your skin color or where you're from.
You are evil.
jordan holmes
You're evil.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
So then Alex gets around to a message for black people.
jordan holmes
No.
No.
alex jones
Just tell people of color something.
The party is founded and is run to enslave and kill you.
The Republicans are just establishment blueblood dorks and don't know what's going on, most of them.
And you have to understand the eugenicists, they don't want to just get rid of what they call the third world populations.
They want to get rid of everybody because these people hate themselves.
They have bought into such selfishness and they've inbred in just such disgusting ways.
And you can inbreed black people.
You can inbreed white people.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
You can inbreed anybody and you get monsters, folks.
You get selfish psychotics because you're not supposed to have sex with your brothers and sisters.
You're not supposed to have kids with them.
And these people are mentally ill.
Okay.
And they're dangerous and they're bad.
And we've got to fight them.
dan friesen
I can't remember, Jordan.
Is this a family show?
jordan holmes
So Alex's message to people of color is that the Democrats want to kill everybody.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But the Republicans just want to kill you.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So it is your altruistic duty to vote Republican.
dan friesen
Maybe.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
I also recognize that I said that this was an Alex was saying a message to black people, but he says people of color.
And you know why?
I was wrong because I never would imagine that Alex would say people of color.
What the fuck is up with that?
jordan holmes
That is a good point.
dan friesen
That's very weird.
jordan holmes
That is a good point.
He does seem to be dropping the basket out.
He's like, Civil Wars fought for black people's rights.
And I'm going to use the snowflake term that whole thing.
dan friesen
It's very strange.
It's very strange.
Also, I do think that Alex rambling about how you're not supposed to fuck your siblings.
That is what he would say on his last show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's just good advice.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's just good advice.
dan friesen
So this is the real point.
Really, if you want to distill everything down, this is the message he really wants to get out.
alex jones
And I just don't want folks when you see me drug through the mud and attack.
It's not about Alex Jones.
They do that because they see Infowars as Last Man Standing as what they fear, males standing up strong and saying no, being afraid, and rallying fellow humans, and then women getting involved and waking up and waking others up there.
They're worried about humans coming together.
And so the reason you need to know that I'm a winner and that you're a winner is that when they say they've destroyed me, when they say they killed me or they put all these lies out, you have to understand that they did that because we were too strong.
And you don't have to believe that I'm a loser.
We're winners, folks.
jordan holmes
You have to know I'm a loser.
dan friesen
Whatever bad things are about to happen, hey, don't do believe that stuff.
jordan holmes
Don't believe it.
Hey, you're going to hear a lot of bad stuff about me, and let me be honest.
dan friesen
It's only because I'm too strong.
jordan holmes
None of it's true.
It's because they hate males.
Right.
dan friesen
So Alex discusses how they're only destroying him because he's too strong or something.
And then he remembers that Star Wars exists.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
And you don't have to believe that I'm a loser.
We're winners, folks.
Obi-Wan Kenobi, to give you a cheesy analogy, was not the loser when Darth Vader cuts him down.
He's the winner because he chose to do that.
So the young generation would get pissed off.
dan friesen
I think Alex might have missed the point of Obi-Wan's line about how Vader strikes him down and become more powerful than he could possibly imagine.
Alex seems to think that Obi-Wan is saying that his death will be a rallying event for the next generation of Jedi, but I don't think that's the point.
I think it's super clear that he's talking about how he'll become more powerful because he'll become one with the Force and gain all sorts of powers after he dies.
Well, there is become a Force ghost.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's that power.
dan friesen
I guess you could interpret it as being about Luke being inspired to learn to become a Jedi in response to Obi-Wan's death, but that doesn't really make sense given the quote being, I shall become more powerful, and all sorts of other minutiae about Force ghosts that I have no interest in getting into or exploring.
I wouldn't expect Alex to have a good handle on this, though, because as we've seen, he's a prequels guy.
jordan holmes
Yoda can still shoot lightning post-force ghosts.
So we know we're good.
We know it's cool.
Yeah, I would rather be a force ghost than a regular old Jedi, man.
That sounds great.
Pop up in whatever planet you want without having to worry about it.
dan friesen
And like you can't be hurt.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's life after death.
jordan holmes
And you can still hang out with your buds.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's great.
dan friesen
Samuel Jackson's there.
Yeah, why not?
So, of course, because Alex is doing this weird thing that may or may not be his intended last broadcast or something, he starts thinking about Colonel Travis.
jordan holmes
Sure, of course.
dan friesen
And he almost starts crying, talking about that drunk Yahoo.
jordan holmes
Drunk idiot.
alex jones
Just like Colonel Travis at the Alamo knew he was going to die, but he really believed in Texas.
He didn't like the tyranny of Santa Ana.
He didn't like the fact they wouldn't let him be Christians.
jordan holmes
He wanted his own tyranny.
alex jones
And he wanted to be like his grandparents and his father and others that had fought the British.
And he could tell stories about guys fighting, you know, six to one, ten to one.
And he aspired to that.
And so he laid down his life with 180 plus other people so that other people would see an example, not a failure, but a victory.
That's victory.
Controlling yourself and fear until there's not even fear anymore, but absolute pleasure in the blessing of being persecuted and being destroyed for the right thing and standing against the lies and knowing you're right and knowing you know God and knowing there's good and evil and choosing God and knowing God's real.
dan friesen
Alex knows nothing about Colonel Travis.
jordan holmes
Just based on his description, that is not a guy I want as my commanding officer.
The guy who's like, I've always dreamt of going up one to ten.
No, I would like you to get reinforcements.
I want to go back.
I want to survive.
We should probably get a better tactical position.
Yeah.
All of this stuff.
Maybe now, Colonel Travis, I'm just saying, maybe we're the ones doing it wrong this time.
dan friesen
Colonel Travis didn't end up at the Alamo because of some pursuit of a noble death.
He was running away from debts.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he's a drunk asshole.
Anyway, this is how the segment ends.
It ends the second hour.
And like I said, like, this should be it.
He should go home.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is like, you got nowhere else to go.
jordan holmes
We're screaming, remember the Alamo.
dan friesen
Yes.
alex jones
It is.
It is an extreme honor to stand against the new world order.
dan friesen
Dr. Tom.
alex jones
Not persecution, not failure, not any of that.
In such a short life, to stand up for what's right.
That's what everything is about.
And I know I'm stating things that are obvious to everybody, but we have to turn loose of any fear or even any guilt.
Because I'm like, man, if I keep pushing this hard, I won't be here for my children.
unidentified
And God's like, well, I'll be there.
See, that's the secret of 2017.
alex jones
Our ancestors made such sacrifices for the promise that their progeny would be given Providence.
But Providence is like a torch or a baton that has to be passed forward.
And we have to pay in blood.
And I will.
And I know you will as well.
We'll be right back.
dan friesen
That's it.
unidentified
And end of InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Go home.
dan friesen
If you are there and you are like one of Alex's employees, it is your responsibility to be like.
jordan holmes
You can just stand up and walk out.
dan friesen
David Knight will take over.
Whatever.
You are, you got to get off air.
If you want to gather your thoughts and record some sort of a goodbye message.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
By all means, do that.
We'd love it.
Whatever shape you're in right now, you're live.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
You can't do this.
I don't know what the fuck.
unidentified
And so he doesn't, though.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
unidentified
Alex back to business.
dan friesen
Alex comes back.
It's as if that didn't happen.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
Why would it?
dan friesen
It's the wildest thing ever.
jordan holmes
He got a sandwich during the break, Dan.
dan friesen
He got his Snickers.
jordan holmes
He got blood sugar.
dan friesen
So he didn't go home.
And this is how he starts the next segment.
alex jones
All right, I want to give the number out.
I want to take your calls and I've got a bunch of clips and news to cover.
But it just gets to the point where this just gets so disgusting.
But the good news is everyone I know is totally rejecting stuff like together at home, world government propaganda with Lady Gaga stumbling around up there.
Lady Gaga on record has to have someone sleep with her in her room because demons try to eat her at night.
She admits that.
Wow, that sounds like a wonderful god you serve.
It really must be fun.
I can just instantly stand on a mountain in my mind and just see for infinity.
No fear.
I couldn't imagine serving a god that ravages your brain where you live in constant torment.
jordan holmes
Yes, you can.
alex jones
That's a damn virus.
dan friesen
Alex seems to be in constant torment.
unidentified
That's the god you literally talk about all the time.
dan friesen
He seems like he's constantly tormented.
I don't know any other way to explain it.
Anyway, Alex is talking about a 2013 lawsuit filed by Gaga's former personal assistant, wherein one of the claims that was made was that she was made to sleep in the same bed as Gaga because she didn't get her own hotel room and Lady Gaga had tasks for her even at night.
Quote, O'Neill testified in a deposition that if Lady Gaga was watching a DVD in the middle of the night and grew tired of it, she woke her up to take out and replace the DVD.
At worst, you can say this is an instance of a pop star having unreasonable demands for a personal assistant, but Alex is taking this a little bit far.
What he's doing is combining that story with a 2012 interview Gaga did where she discussed a recurring nightmare she had involving a demonic phantom and how she discussed the dream with Deepak Chopra.
Alex has combined these two things into one story that kind of works better for his purposes, but isn't true.
So that's what's going on here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds about right.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
It's all bullshit.
Anyway, good thing you didn't go home.
unidentified
But the way he describes God in his mind, that's a total God thing to do.
That's one of his God's favorite things.
He's got demons on all of us all the time.
dan friesen
Yeah, it is true.
It's strange.
Now, Jordan, I would explore this longer, but I have to get to this next clip.
This is weird.
jordan holmes
Alex is talking about as opposed to everything else we've talked about today, which is absolutely just mainstream, boring.
Normal.
Nonsense.
Doctors fighting.
dan friesen
So Alex is talking about here in this next clip about how the people go along with the New World Order, right?
jordan holmes
Because even Hogan went along with the New World Order.
dan friesen
Yeah, he was the third man.
jordan holmes
He was the third man.
dan friesen
We're trained to go along with things, right?
Something like that.
And he gets into a metaphor about villages.
And I find this really interesting.
This is one of the more fascinating, weird things of his brain.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Those of us that do feel and do see how crazy things have gotten and who know what's happening and who already understood it, we're like, don't you see it now?
Why are you going along with this?
Because humans are designed to go along with each other.
unidentified
Designed.
alex jones
You grow up in a little village and dad and grandpa and grandma take you down and you catch fish.
And when they tell you, don't go by that crocodile.
Later you see that crocodile, you know, eat a deer or something.
You know they told you the truth.
And your whole life, people around the village were good.
There was like one guy that was crazy and bad and, you know, he got out of control and hurt somebody.
So, you know, some of the men grabbed him and threw him off a cliff one time, you know.
But the village is good.
What?
It's not sick.
jordan holmes
That sounds sick.
alex jones
Your village becomes successful because you're planting crops and you're hunting.
And all of a sudden, you're not 100 people, but you're a thousand people.
unidentified
Oh boy.
jordan holmes
You're talking about you, buddy.
alex jones
And the con artists show up.
And the traveling con artist comes into your little town.
Could have been in ancient Africa.
It could have been in ancient Europe.
It could be in ancient Asia, ancient Latin America.
It's always the same story.
The witch doctor comes in, the bad witch doctor, and he says, You've been bad and you don't believe in this god who haven't given an offering, so it's going to eat the sun two weeks from now.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
That sounds like Roger Stone.
Is he talking about Roger Stone?
This sounds like his career in a nutshell.
dan friesen
This is a metaphor.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the bad witch doctor comes in.
And I'm thinking, okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
This is weird.
jordan holmes
Yes, it is.
dan friesen
It goes on a little bit.
This is very strange.
alex jones
It's always the same story.
The witch doctor comes in, the bad witch doctor, and he says.
jordan holmes
As opposed to the good witch doctor.
alex jones
You've been bad and you don't believe in this god who haven't given an offering.
So it's going to eat the sun two weeks from now.
Well, that person just has mathematics and history and a priesthood as to what?
And the dates that these things are going to happen.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
This is how the con archery began.
unidentified
What?
What?
alex jones
And everybody laughs at the guy and whatever.
They throw him out of the village.
But in a couple weeks, the sun gets eaten by the monster.
He walks out and he's got some primitive fireworks.
He's dug out of a mine.
He strikes them and some blue flame comes out of the fire and he goes, bow down to me because I'm the representative of the god and I will make the sun come back that you know cures illnesses and grows the crops that you know keeps you warm and you really like it.
And you get on your knees to him and he goes, okay, set me up in the best area of the village.
dan friesen
So this goes on exactly how you'd expect.
He starts like ruling over the village and stuff.
This sort of thing that Alex is expressing is really the same kind of vein as ancient aliens stuff, where white people have a complete inability to imagine that non-European cultures of the past were capable of anything without some kind of outside help.
For ancient aliens, people, it's using aliens to explain things like the pyramids.
Thalix, it's saying the bad witch doctors had some secret knowledge of eclipses that they used to bamboozle ignorant people.
As far back as 2136 BC, the Chinese knew perfectly well about eclipses.
And according to history.com, quote, Emperor Chung Kong executed his royal astronomers, Hai and Ho, for failing to predict an eclipse.
They had folklore-based explanations for what was happening, but that didn't mean that the people were all terrified of an eclipse in the way that Alex is describing.
The Inuit people have legends about their moon god and his sister sun god fighting, which explained the lunar cycle and eclipses.
It was two quarrelsome siblings chasing each other.
The story Alex is telling is fairly close to the tradition of the Batamaliba people from Benin and Togo.
In their tradition, the two matriarchs of the world, Kayokoke and Pukapuka, presided over the first village.
As it grew, people started fighting with each other, and in order to get them to stop, the two made the sun disappear.
That got people's attention, so everyone made peace with each other and gave gifts of reconciliation, and the women turned the sun back on.
This tradition continues in the Batamaliba.
They view eclipses as a time to make peace with each other.
So it kind of is like Alex's story, but it's also the opposite.
I have no idea what Alex is talking about, but it legit sounds like something from a children's movie.
If he had some kind of a citation for the art of the con originating in bad witch doctors showing up to villages around the world armed with secret knowledge of eclipses, which they then use to become rulers, I'd love to see it, but I don't know if it's based on anything real.
Interestingly, though, this exact story that Alex is telling is a trope of early English literature from the late 1800s.
However, it's white people using eclipses to fuck with native people.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
From The Savage in Literature, Representations of Primitive Society in English Fiction 1858 through 1920 by Brian Street, quote, gullibility is a feature which enables British sovereignty to be maintained by the use of Western knowledge and technology to frighten the simple native into submission.
Perhaps the most famous and memorable example is the use of an eclipse to overawe the native.
In King Solomon's mind, the travelers take advantage of an eclipse to reinforce the natives' belief that they are gods.
Also, side point, it's very likely that this is where Alex is taking his story from, because he keeps referring to the person in his telling as a witch doctor, which is precisely who the villain of that story is.
Quote, if he and his fellow travelers can make the natives believe it is through their power that the face of the moon is darkened, then the natives will abandon their evil witch doctor Gagul and follow the white men.
This is a very popular theme in literature around the time that sought to emphasize white European supremacy.
From Street's book, quote, the theories of anthropologists are used in popular fiction to provide various explanations for primitive attitudes to situations, which become traditional themes in fiction.
The ease with which the native can be deceived is brought home to the reader by the vivid use of eclipses, and academic theory is used to explain the natives' reaction.
I'm not positive that this is where Alex is getting this from, but it is like a trope of this European fiction from around the time of colonialism.
jordan holmes
No, I've read books with that kind of shit in there.
I did not realize, looking back, it does seem obvious that eclipses are the white man's burden that Rudyard was talking about.
That's what makes the most sense to me.
dan friesen
Definitely.
jordan holmes
It's just what we know.
We just have to carry that knowledge of an eclipse on our back stand.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I'm not positive, and Alex never cites anything when he's talking about these witch doctors that would come because they have the secret knowledge of the brotherhood or whatever.
I'm willing to explore whatever he's bringing to the table, but from everything I can tell, it seems like these are these Eurocentric 1800s versions of stories about the quote-unquote savages.
jordan holmes
Hello, you guys can't understand math.
Your skin color is different.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I think that Alex just believes all that is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, basically.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex, in this next clip, talks about how he got up really early that morning and he watched Trump's press conferences.
And he has an interesting thought about it.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
And I hadn't watched Trump's press conference from the night before.
I was with the kids.
So I watched the whole thing, including the others that came out after him.
And I think it took years off my life, man.
jordan holmes
It will.
alex jones
Trump knows they've turned the public into like three-year-olds.
So, let me tell you, Trump doesn't talk like that, folks, when he's talking to somebody that's smart.
He finishes your sentences.
You don't get the, you know, dopey talk stuff, but he knows they've put people in a childlike state.
So he goes, I bet I said sunlight might have been good.
And then we asked the scientists, and we have a big super laboratory, and they found out for the first time that sunlight kills the virus.
And then he goes, and I bet it does something good with your skin.
I know the media is going to attack me.
I bet sun hitting your skin helps it.
dan friesen
This is super interesting to me, man.
In the past, Alex has just flatly ignored all the many, many times Trump has said completely fucked up and stupid things in his press conferences.
He just acts like those things didn't happen.
I guess, like, he must have felt like this one was too big and stupid to ignore.
So he's just come up with this narrative that Trump was acting stupid because we're all so stupid.
This is amazing stuff, and it definitely doesn't sound like someone trying to rationalize another person's abusive behavior.
As for the stuff that Trump is saying about UV lights, we've gone over that already.
The type of UV light that's used to disinfect things would fucking fry a human.
This is not Trump saying, hey, man, isn't the sun wonderful?
It's him talking out his ass about technology he does not understand.
jordan holmes
I have no sympathy anymore.
Like, if you still support Trump, you get what you get, man.
You just listened to the president, the guy you wanted to run the country, tell you to inject yourself with bleach.
dan friesen
Well, go fuck you.
Not according to Alex.
jordan holmes
Don't care.
dan friesen
All Alex is saying that Trump said that the sun's good for your skin.
jordan holmes
If you can rationalize a guy saying, inject yourself with bleach away, you win the cognitive dissonance prize.
dan friesen
The sun is good for your skin.
jordan holmes
You got it.
You won.
alex jones
I mean, everyone should just be outraged by that.
What they're teaching you.
Like, Donald Trump is not a doctor, so he can't tell you that the sun is good and good for you.
jordan holmes
Trump goes, I have a honestly, he can't.
alex jones
For your skin.
unidentified
The sun is good for your skin.
alex jones
Sun is good for your skin.
I know you know that.
dan friesen
So here's what Trump said in the press conference that everyone is up in arms about.
Quote, so supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just some very powerful light.
And I think you said that it hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it.
And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way.
And I think you said you're going to test that too.
Sounds interesting, right?
And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute.
And is there a way we could do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning?
Because you see, it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs.
So it'd be interesting to check that.
So you're going to have some, you're going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.
He wasn't saying that the sun was good.
He was spitballing weird ideas about UV technology that he doesn't understand and implying that because disinfectants work to kill the virus on surfaces, then maybe you could inject them into you and do a good job inside the body.
The next day, when asked about it, Trump tried to pretend that he brought up these things sarcastically in order to fuck with reporters, quote, just to see what would happen.
And that, Jordan, is a relief that the president of the United States was using his press conference in the middle of a pandemic to suggest potentially lethal non-treatments for the virus just to troll reporters.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's I feel confident.
It's worse if he knows what he's doing.
Yeah, he doesn't understand that.
He thinks that when he's saying I was being sarcastic.
I was fucking with you.
Then he's like, see, I wasn't stupid.
I was just really, really evil, trying on purpose to get people killed.
dan friesen
His explanation of like, I was just fucking with reporters, like, you just think in his mind, he's like, you've done it again.
unidentified
Got it.
jordan holmes
Nailed it.
You guys had no idea I was lying to you.
I'm a genius.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Trump said he was just trolling.
And then, of course, it came out that one of the leaders of the Genesis 2 church, who promote the use of bleach as a miracle cure for all sorts of ailments, had sent Trump a letter earlier that week from an article in The Guardian.
Quote, in his letter, Mark Grennan told Trump that chlorine dioxide, a powerful bleach used in industrial processes such as textile manufacturing, that can have a fatal side effect when drunk, is, quote, a wonderful detox that can kill 99% of the pathogens in the body.
He added that it can, quote, rid the body of COVID-19.
A few days after Grennan dispatched his letter, Trump went on national television at his daily coronavirus briefing in the White House on Thursday and promoted the idea that disinfectant could be used as a treatment for the virus.
The group is also the subject of an investigation because of their medical claims about bleach.
And the article goes on to say that, quote, Grennan said that 30 of his supporters also have written in the past few days to Trump at the White House urging him to take action to protect Genesis 2 and its bleach peddling activities, which they claim could cure coronavirus.
I have no idea if these two seemingly connected things are related, but one guy who's pretty sure they are is Mark Grennan.
He was pretty pumped about Trump's press conference.
Alex seems to not want to bring up this part of Trump's comments and just wants to pretend that all he said was sunlight is good, which is weird.
jordan holmes
It does seem like the New York's Attorney General should send Trump a cease and desist letter for making false medical claims.
dan friesen
Maybe.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is mad that, like, you know, they say that Trump can't say sunlight is good because the doctors, these doctors.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then Alex starts complaining about interactions he's had with doctors.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I believe that.
alex jones
I remember in my divorce, court ordered psychological.
And they wrote in the report, and I'm sitting there, and the guy goes, How much money does your company bring in a year?
And I went, $25 million.
And the guy looks at me, you didn't know who I was.
This is like six years ago.
And I went, you know, that's the gross.
I don't make that.
Okay, well, the next question: do people talk about you in restaurants?
Like, do people ever whisper about you?
And I said, yeah.
unidentified
No.
alex jones
He put in the report.
He goes, Well, Jones claims he makes $25 million.
We know that's not true.
And he says people talk about him.
I don't know who he is.
From a guy with a doctorate put because he didn't know who I was.
Talk about one-dimensional.
That I made up $25 million and I made up people talk about me.
jordan holmes
Alex.
alex jones
Come on, man.
In a grocery store.
jordan holmes
Alex, don't tell this story.
alex jones
Pop culture super famous.
And I walked over and I said, Hey, this is Dr. Drew.
In your report, it says that I made it up that people know who I am.
Do you still think that?
He said, and he said this to one of the lawyers too later.
I learned, oh, well, I never said it was conclusive that you're a narcissist because people talk about you.
jordan holmes
I did.
alex jones
You just didn't have proof.
See, that's how the science works.
dan friesen
Yeah, man, that's how the science works.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex is really pretty defensive about this idea that he was diagnosed as having a narcissistic personality disorder.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so he's really going at this doctor from his divorce proceeding.
jordan holmes
You could say, narcissistically.
alex jones
You might say that.
He started laughing at me.
He goes, yeah, you don't bring in $25 million.
And I thought he was joking.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, we sell products that we fund ourselves.
So that's how we fund things.
It costs a lot of satellites bandwidth.
A lot of that product costs most of that.
And I'm the employees.
I mean, I'm, I mean, he's like, no, you, you.
Does it make you mad at who you are?
And I said, are you trying to make me mad?
No, I don't care.
You don't know who I am.
I said, is this some kind of the guy's completely mentally ill, folks?
See, I was court-ordered to go sit there so he could zip his pants down because he wouldn't throw them piss on me.
I'm like, oh, nobody knows who you are.
Whoa.
dan friesen
Wow.
alex jones
These people.
And I didn't tell that story about me because How ridiculous all this is, that this nobody now is like this god and pronounces the conviction that, because I'm pro-human and I'm confident, that's why I believe in humanity that they've made that a mental illness, a competent man who's successful.
dan friesen
So I consulted the DSM for to see what kind of like, what's the actual diagnostic uh criteria for uh, narcissistic personality disorder, just to get a sense of how a doctor might be evaluating Alex.
jordan holmes
They got rid of words, they just put a picture of Alex there.
dan friesen
I gotta say he hits a lot of these doctors.
unidentified
She's that that, just that clip right there, any anything.
jordan holmes
Get rid of the gold water rule, of that clip.
unidentified
Just listen to that and be like, oh yeah, that dude yep yep, yep.
dan friesen
Uh the doctor uh, there's a conspiracy against me and he was, he's crazy and he was with me yeah, yeah.
So here the here are the uh criteria.
Has a grandiose sense of self-importance.
Check is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success power brilliance, beauty or ideal love.
No idea believes that he is uh, he or she is special or unique and can only be understood by or associate with other special or high status people.
Check requires excessive admiration.
Check has a sense of entitlement.
Check is interpersonally exploitative.
Check uh-huh.
Lacks empathy.
Check yeah, is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.
Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes, check uh-huh.
That's all of that's all of this.
jordan holmes
Do you?
Are there any secret ones?
Not on there?
dan friesen
Well, in the 2011, the DSM5 refined some of the criteria for Npd and it honestly sounds even more like Alex.
Yeah, one of the defining features is quote impairments in self-functioning, which can be described as, quote emotional regulation, mirroring self-esteem.
Hmm, that sounds a lot like his broadcast.
jordan holmes
That does sound like that.
dan friesen
Another hallmark is, uh, a grandiosity mixed with quote excessive attempts to attract or be the focus of the attention of others.
jordan holmes
I don't understand that.
dan friesen
I'm no doctor so I can't diagnose anyone with shit, but if you look at the criteria for an Mpd diagnosis, it becomes pretty easy to see why someone might think that pretty well describes Alex.
jordan holmes
I mean just just the.
I imagine that he had that diagnosis after the first question.
He was just like, hey uh, how are you doing today?
alex jones
I'm doing great.
jordan holmes
How are you doing today?
You're the one who should be in here.
We should switch seats.
I'm the one who's the doctor here.
I've always been a doctor, I was born a doctor.
You're lying to me.
You've been trying to kill my family.
dan friesen
I'm getting divorced ah, so Alex descends pretty hard into this defense.
alex jones
Yeah, I would say so, by the way, in their own narrow definition of a narcissist.
Narcissists don't care about people, they don't give tips and they when they're under pressure.
But again, it's.
It's their little cult term, it's their little thing.
And then we sit there and our whole lives are run by these guilds and we bow down to the lawyers and the doctors and the psychologist and all they are is grasping people on average, wanting power uh-huh, when the real power is, growing crops pushing, taking care of your children, standing up for yourself.
Go home for a fight, but if somebody wants one, you can get it.
You Want to get your head knocked in?
You will.
I'm not looking for violence, but I'm not afraid to deal it out.
And when I do, I'm going to knock your head off.
dan friesen
Okay.
So that's cool.
I mean, there's nothing other to say than it's just like, okay, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We get why you got a diagnosis.
You're exhibiting a lot of these behaviors that would be indicative.
jordan holmes
It seems like the easiest way to find out if somebody's a narcissist is to just be like, hey, you're a narcissist.
And then they're responding.
Like, if you told me I was a narcissist, I'd be like, oh, shit, I've been acting like an asshole, haven't I?
dan friesen
I don't.
jordan holmes
If you said it to Alex, he'd be like, you're a narcissist.
I've been there.
alex jones
I will kill everybody.
dan friesen
I don't like that line because I'm a Taurus.
No, a number of times in my life, I've had people be like, oh, Tauruses are stubborn.
And that puts you in a box because you can either say, yes, I am, or you can say no, and it proves that you are.
Exactly.
There are some sort of things that like, it doesn't work universally.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, of course.
dan friesen
But I understand what you're saying in terms of Alex.
He's certainly.
jordan holmes
It is not a blanket statement.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
It is Alex-centric.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex is not plugging his water filters, although he is.
alex jones
Well, they made the best gravity-fed filter out there compared to competitors that are 500 bucks.
And I love ProPure.
They're as good in some tests, not in others.
It's apples and oranges.
We just go out and say, what's the top rate of gravity-fed filter?
And the crazy thing is, usually, whatever the best is, isn't the most expensive.
That's what you find about like, it's crazy.
You'll see some really expensive, fancy thing with all this marketing, and it doesn't cut out stuff like these do.
And I'm not even plugging that right now.
It's 30% off.
At the price they're selling these, I'm making like 30 bucks.
So we got to sell a lot of these.
But that's going on.
dan friesen
Yeah, about a million, apparently.
You have 25 million coming in a year.
You got to say you're only making 30 on each water filter.
jordan holmes
It's amazing how the best gravity filters are also the ones that give me the best profit margin.
It is wild.
It's not the most expensive one.
dan friesen
And I'm not plugging, but also the 30%.
jordan holmes
It's 30% off right now.
I'm not plugging it.
dan friesen
So Alex comes back from his break, commercial break, and this made me laugh so hard.
alex jones
All right, we're going to go to your phone calls right now.
And then I've got a piece of news that is so gigantor.
I'm sure I'll screw it up and mess it up.
dan friesen
I mean, yes.
Well, that is an amazing amount of insight.
jordan holmes
That is.
dan friesen
I got a big old story.
jordan holmes
I'm going to fuck it up.
dan friesen
I'm going to fuck this up.
unidentified
Can you imagine Brian Stelter coming on his TV show?
jordan holmes
Oh, guys.
Holy shit.
You do not even know the story of it.
dan friesen
Big news out of the Senate.
unidentified
So big, I'm going to botch this entire thing.
jordan holmes
Big news out of the Senate.
Senator Strom Thurman.
God damn it.
He's dead.
I already fucked it up.
dan friesen
Brian Stelter here on Reliable Sources.
I can only be trusted with small stories.
Big stories.
I will.
jordan holmes
No good.
unidentified
Uh-uh.
jordan holmes
Uh-uh.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So, Alex doesn't get to his story right away because he's got to talk about how long it took him to get into work.
jordan holmes
Well, of course.
unidentified
I feel like sometimes going out public is scary or sketchy because they're all looking for leadership.
alex jones
Look, when I drive down the road in my neighborhood, it took me 40 minutes to get to work today because I just drove through the neighborhood and stopped at each family and said, I'm glad you're outside.
The virus overall is a hoax.
It has less than 1% death rate.
It's about market for the Americans we've known and loved.
dan friesen
Missed the break there.
I don't believe he did that.
I don't care.
jordan holmes
Anyway, we're all whispering about him at the same time, too, though.
dan friesen
So when Alex said that he has his big news, he's sure he's going to fuck up.
He tells his staff that he wants that sort of like Fox-breaking news sound effect to play.
And so when he went out to break there, he had said that he was going to get to this big news in the next segment.
So when he comes back, he can't do it because they didn't pick up.
jordan holmes
They don't have the music sound.
alex jones
All right, let's go to your calls quickly here.
And then I've got the huge news I'm going to hit.
Start of the next segment.
We'll do that Fox intro, okay?
Next segment.
Because I want to do the dun dun dun dun.
We're going to do it this one.
We didn't, which is okay.
Next one.
dan friesen
I had a problem myself.
Okay.
So this isn't the big news.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But earlier when I told you that Alex had said that his people are sending in intel about Bill Gates, this is the only example of something that could have been what he was talking about.
And it's stupid.
alex jones
Let's play a clip from 2008 where they're talking about the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation's real name and how it's the human depopulation operation.
Here, here's that clip.
unidentified
In 1997, Dr. Zaban got a call from a friend in Seattle about a potential funding source for an organization that would focus on international population and reproductive health.
Bill and Melinda Gates, with just a little money to spend, but a lot of skepticism about the academic approach, agreed to meet with Lori Zaban and her colleagues at Johns Hopkins, and they came away impressed.
In 1980, 98, Dr. Zabin became the founding director of the Bill and Melinda Gates Institute for Population Control.
alex jones
Bill and Melinda Gates run worldwide depopulation, and they admit it.
dan friesen
So that speaker, she's giving an intro to another speaker, and the explanation here is that she misspoke.
The Gates group is, it's not called the Institute for Population Control.
It's the Institute for Population and Reproductive Health.
This has become a bit of a stupid conspiracy online, all based on that little clip, apparently initially publicized by Adam Curry, who sucks.
The most obvious explanation is that the speaker misspoke, but apparently, that's just what Sheepo would say.
The internet sleuths have been trying to find evidence that the name of the Gates group is, you know, it was originally called the Population Control, Institute for Population Control, but literally all evidence except that clip says that it's the Institute for Population and Reproductive Health.
In order to make sense of this lack of evidence, the new claim is that the Gates people have completely scrubbed the internet of any proof that their group was originally called the Institute for Population Control.
jordan holmes
But they scrubbed that video.
dan friesen
That's right.
The complete lack of evidence that the claim they're making is true is only evidence of a complete cover-up of the evidence that would prove their claim to be true.
jordan holmes
That's very convenient.
dan friesen
This is why there's really no hope against this current type of conspiracy thinking.
It's just too resilient.
There's a conclusion that they want to arrive at, and any suggestion of supporting evidence or even the mysterious absence of supporting evidence, that's good enough to be considered proof.
I'm just not sure there's any way to work with that level of disconnection from reality outside of one-on-one therapy.
Like, I'm not convinced that education would penetrate that.
jordan holmes
No, there's nothing that can penetrate that.
It seems tough.
That is what it is.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that video is the smoking gun.
And even if they were called the Institute for Population Control, that doesn't indicate depopulation.
No.
Even if that were true, it doesn't match what Alex is saying.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And that's not the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
That's just something that they funded at Johns Hopkins.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, it's all bullshit.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex comes back from break again.
And this time they got the music.
jordan holmes
They got the music?
dan friesen
Okay, good.
But it's also not what you'd expect.
Like, I thought they were going to play some breaking news fox music.
jordan holmes
The law and order.
dan friesen
Dun dun.
I wish.
alex jones
Well, this news really deserves some fanfare.
It's very sad news, but exposing this can bring down the globals.
You know, I kind of thought it's a quintessential fanfare, but aren't air raid sirens enemy bombers coming in to drop bombs on you?
Isn't that really what matters?
dan friesen
That's a mismatch.
That is.
jordan holmes
That is somebody.
That is them being like, we couldn't find the clip.
And also, I don't think we have the copyright to it.
dan friesen
We don't have rights.
jordan holmes
I don't think we can do that.
And he's like, well, we can't just do the sirens again.
Do something.
Put something else in there.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So you ready for the big news?
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's hear it.
alex jones
In the 21st century, you don't send in bombers to bomb people.
You send in testing kits.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
And, oh, it's an accident China has.
They just so happened to have the testing kits right in the same room with the virus.
And they just so happened to accidentally put it on the needles that went in your arms and give it to you.
And they also wiped their shoes with the mask and shipped them over in the governor of California.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
The governor of New York ordered you to wear the used mask.
Because we're not in rundown Chinese cities where they have open sewers and all the rest of it.
Or the government doesn't care about the people and the people have given up.
So there's the Ars Technica story.
This is in Bloomberg as well.
CDC's failed coronavirus tests were tainted with coronavirus, feds confirm.
dan friesen
So I will say that it's true that there is a story in Ars Technica with the headline, quote, CDC's failed coronavirus tests were tainted with coronavirus, feds confirm.
However, there's some important caveats to make here.
First is that this article is four days old by the time Alex is on air doing his air raid siren bullshit.
So it's not exactly stop the press's level news.
jordan holmes
Big news.
dan friesen
The second and much more important point is that Alex absolutely has not read this article because what he's saying has literally nothing to do with the content of it.
Like this is this is basically Moonraker book versus movie territory.
He's saying that the Chinese sent these tainted tests and that it was an intentional attack.
However, this article has no relation to anything China did.
It's entirely about protocols not being followed within the CDC in their development of a coronavirus test.
This was our government being sloppy, not the Chinese attacking us.
From the article, quote, now, according to investigation results reported by the New York Times, federal officials confirm that sloppy laboratory practices at two of three CDC labs involved in the test's creation led to contamination of the tests and their uninterpretable results.
There's no indication in this article that the contamination led to anyone being infected, just that the results that were gathered from the tests were inconclusive and unusable.
If you want to use this story and shine some light on the need for better practices and controls within the CDC, by all means, go ahead.
However, what Alex is doing is completely fabricating a story about China putting coronavirus on test needles and sending them here to infect people, which is essentially accusing a sovereign state of a crime that requires a declaration of war.
He's playing with fire, and he's all just making it up because he's either unwilling or unable to read anything past a headline.
It's very disgraceful.
jordan holmes
You should have to at least have the word China in the article to make that bald a lie about it.
You know, just at least even if in the article it's just like, it's not from China.
Like, even then, at least China would be involved in the article instead of it being purely the CDC made some tests and they were contaminated.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
As a self-contained story.
That's brutal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's really bad.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's very unfortunate.
jordan holmes
That's really bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But Alex is just lying about it.
So this is our last clip.
And what ends up happening here is Alex is saying that Bill Gates is running the satanic conspiracy.
Of course.
And then Alex has a little flight of fancy that I think might be blasphemous.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
They'll probably release any more Deadly Bio weapons soon.
I mean, but we're in bad shape, folks.
They've made their move.
They dropped the hammer.
And that man heads up the most satanic power force on earth.
So he's coming with a needle for you and your family.
What are you going to do?
All right.
Here he comes.
He says he wants to kill you publicly.
And he wants to put something in your body because he loves you.
See, they go, why does he say he wants to depopulate us?
unidentified
But then he says he wants to save us.
alex jones
They have to metaphysically put the notice somewhere.
It's a legal thing.
jordan holmes
It's a legal thing.
alex jones
He has to put the notice there.
jordan holmes
Is it a martial law thing?
alex jones
And then once the notice is there, then he can do whatever he wants.
jordan holmes
The city council has two weeks to hold hearings about this.
alex jones
But God goes, you know, my children just don't have free will.
You got to warn them.
You got to tell them.
Because, you know, Satan goes up and has audiences with God and says, I want to do this.
Like, nope, not doing that.
He wants to trick them to do all these bad things and denounce me.
They had to beg for you to destroy them first.
Satan goes, okay, I'll treat them to hate themselves, train them to hate America, train them to hate their children.
And I was like, okay, well, then you can do it.
dan friesen
I think that this is maybe Alex just watched Lost.
There's some sort of connection with Jacob and the man in black's relationship that he's describing here with God and the devil.
I don't know, man.
jordan holmes
That seems like a shitty God to worship.
The God who's hanging out with the devil and the devil's like, hey, can I kill him?
And the God's like, no.
Can I trick them into killing each other?
Well, yeah, of course you can, buddy.
Go for it.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, like, God did say the devil couldn't touch Job in Job.
So I think that's kind of what Alex is like riffing on.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Was it interpreted as the devil or was it just a moment?
dan friesen
Who gives a shit for a while?
jordan holmes
Who cares?
dan friesen
Right.
But yeah, I mean, look, if God knows just how tricky the devil is, and he's like, by all means, you can't hurt them, but you're really good at tricking people.
So why don't you trick them?
Come on, buddy.
jordan holmes
Come on.
dan friesen
Seems reckless.
jordan holmes
You got to think.
After criticizing Lady Gaga's not God that he created for being a shitty god to then give us a shittier god.
dan friesen
I understand.
I understand the idea of free will and you have to choose if some other person is trying to trick you.
Sure.
But if it's a supernatural being.
jordan holmes
It's kind of not on you.
It's not on you.
dan friesen
It seems unfair.
jordan holmes
It's not on you.
I don't get why people get blamed for shit that Loki tricked them into doing.
It's not your fault.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
You're fighting against a god.
You lose.
dan friesen
Anyway, the point here is that Alex is in bad shape.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Alex is in bad shape.
dan friesen
I think, like, I don't know.
Like, obviously, there is a piece of this that could be overly dramatic.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex.
But I don't know if I've ever heard him talking about, like, I'm recording my last episode and then breaking down in this way where he's discussing his career in hindsight.
Yeah.
Like, I don't know, man.
I feel like we're really coming up to it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that's.
dan friesen
I could look stupid in hindsight.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I admit that fully.
But the way this feels, it does not feel like someone who's just trying to fuck around.
It legit feels like someone who's trying to end his show.
jordan holmes
What it feels like to me is somebody whose emotional regulation is tied directly to their sense of self-esteem.
That's what it feels like to me.
I don't think he's feeling good right now about his self-esteem.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
And I think that's bleeding into other things.
That's my personal opinion.
I'm not a doctor, Dan.
No.
I don't even pretend to be an osteopath.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Which I could, I think.
dan friesen
No, osteopaths do require education, not like some of these other ding-dongs.
Yeah, look, dude, I don't know.
I think my feeling is we have a really interesting next week ahead of us.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we'll see.
dan friesen
I'm not looking forward.
Actually, you know what?
I fucking am.
If Alex does do his last show, it's going to be great.
I can't wait to tear that apart.
jordan holmes
No.
God, when he goes over his record, that's going to be your fucking Super Bowl.
Every claim that he makes about what he did, you're going to have receipts on it.
dan friesen
Like, I think that the opportunity to legend kill is really exciting.
And so if he wants to lay bare what his final message is, I can't imagine something more exciting than deconstructing that.
So hopefully he does do that.
But I have a sense that it'll be underwhelming.
But we'll see.
We'll be back next week.
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
unidentified
We do.
jordan holmes
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Wait, it'll be this week.
Yes, it's Monday.
jordan holmes
Today is Monday.
Lose tracks.
They're all gone.
It's knowledgefight.com is our website.
dan friesen
And if you want to learn more about Seltzers, it's knowledgefight.com slash Celts.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at GoToBedJordan and at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Yep.
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
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dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
We'll be back.
dan friesen
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am a robot trash truck.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your work.
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