Today, Dan and Jordan continue the deplatforming of Alex Jones from their podcast, as they take a look at an episode of Bill Cooper's radio show where he has open phone lines. The gents explore how differently Alex and Bill treat their callers, and how feeling disappointed in your audience is a universal trait among conspiracy theorists.
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It's time to pray. | |
| I have great respect for knowledge fight. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | ||
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Knowledge fight. | |
| Dan and George. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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Stop it. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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It's time to pray. | |
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
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Thanks for holding us. | |
| Hello, Allie. | ||
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I'm a big fan. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot this week? | ||
| I keep saying this week. | ||
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We don't do three episodes in a week. | |
| Okay, I went to the store the other day, and I got a couple of limited-time-only foods, or sort of weird things that I've not tried before. | ||
| It's always a risky thing, but I always, always do it. | ||
| You love novelty. | ||
| You love novelty. | ||
| Especially in snack foods or candies or something. | ||
| And I will never not buy them, because even if it's like, this can't be good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This can't be good. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| It's going to be a disaster. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Got fudge M&M's. | ||
| I think it was fudge batter M&M's. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's fantastic. | ||
| Those were good. | ||
| Game changing. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Very good. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Very good. | ||
| I believe you. | ||
| And then the other one was wild heat jerky. | ||
| You liked that too? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| These were impulse purchases. | ||
| Very rare. | ||
| Two for two. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It almost never happens. | ||
| Usually something will be a complete disappointment disaster. | ||
| But fudge brownie. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| M&M's. | ||
| Jack's Link's. | ||
| Wild heat. | ||
| Good amount of heat. | ||
| Really cleared me out a little bit. | ||
| Started to sweat a tiny bit. | ||
| Felt good. | ||
| This bright spot has turned into snack reviews. | ||
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I mean, there's not a whole lot else going on. | |
| So, what about you? | ||
| What is my bright spot? | ||
| I finished my book! | ||
| Hey, congratulations. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Didn't you tell me that a month ago? | ||
| No, I finished the first draft. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| And now I've finished the manuscript. | ||
| Completely. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| Until somebody reads it and is like, this sucks and this sucks and this sucks and you should rewrite the entire book, but... | ||
| How about you start at page one and give me another one? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I like everything about this, but it all needs to change. | ||
| Page one rewrite from the very beginning. | ||
| You're great. | ||
| Do you have a title that you want to tell the wonks? | ||
| It's called The Quiet Part Loud. | ||
| Is it really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Alright, seems appropriate. | ||
| Seems fitting. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Well, you can look for that on Simon& Schuster within the next six months. | ||
| Very much down. | ||
| Penguin classics? | ||
| I don't think they're coming for me. | ||
| You're going to get a... | ||
| I'm hoping for a hay market. | ||
| That's what I'm doing. | ||
| A Caldecott Award. | ||
| What's it called? | ||
| Those children's... | ||
| A Caldecott Award. | ||
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Is that right? | |
| I couldn't remember. | ||
| It was deep in my memory banks. | ||
| I was trying to pull from... | ||
| Well, that's great. | ||
| Right spots. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over, but before we do that, we've got to take a little moment to say thank you. | ||
| Thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show. | ||
| So, first, Cognitive Dissident. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Next, Brandon. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much, Jesper. | ||
| Next, Jennifer from Houston. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, Jennifer, from Houston. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Andrew, thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, Andrew. | ||
| Next, Dungeon Hexplorer, and that's spelled D-U-N-J-U-N-H-E-X-P-L-O-R-E-R. | ||
| Hexplorer, like a witch. | ||
| Hexplorer, like an explorer with an X in front of it. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Charles. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, Charles. | ||
| Thank you, Charles. | ||
| With an X in front of it. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Next, David. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thanks, David. | ||
| And finally, Lenick. | ||
| Two words. | ||
| L-A space N-I-C. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, L.A. Nick. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| Or L.A. Nick. | ||
| I think it's L.A. Nick. | ||
| Ah, L.A. Nick. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I don't know. | ||
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All right. | |
| I have a bad track record of pronouncing things. | ||
| So anyway, thank you very much. | ||
| If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoyed the show, I'd like to support these gents. | ||
| You can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show. | ||
| We would appreciate it. | ||
| Or you can find a local charity in your area that helps people in need. | ||
| We would like either. | ||
| I'm glad you've learned the difference between and or. | ||
| I am a writer. | ||
| It's good to know conjunction versus disjunction. | ||
| Those are important concepts. | ||
| I have a conjunction dysfunction. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Schoolhouse Rock? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Anyway, Jordan, today, what we're doing. | ||
| I am in a difficult position. | ||
| I'm in a bit of a pickle barrel. | ||
| You're in a bind, yeah. | ||
| We have deplatformed Alex from the podcast. | ||
| He is no longer allowed. | ||
| Right. | ||
| For a bit. | ||
| Jack from Twitter, according to his relationship with our media. | ||
| Yeah, his app is removed from our store for sure. | ||
| And I felt like it would be kind of lame if we just deplatformed him for one episode. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I was like, okay, we got to do something different again. | ||
| And fuck, we can't do two Project Camelot episodes in a row. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| No good. | ||
| No. | ||
| A lot of the other weirdos, the tertiary weirdos that we have, like Dave Daubenmire or Reverend Manning, those guys are one-trick ponies. | ||
| I tried to find stuff to talk about them, but it'd be very, very boring to go down. | ||
| One of them is a brutal criminal? | ||
| Yes, maybe both. | ||
| And then the other one is a reverend. | ||
| So we have, like, it was a difficult time trying to figure out something else to do to keep Alex deplatformed. | ||
| And then... | ||
| Trump had his coronavirus press conference where he said that the power of the president is ultimate. | ||
| Yeah, he did declare himself king. | ||
| He did do that. | ||
| That was odd. | ||
| I mean, I think there are probably some weird ways you could... | ||
| You know, weasel around it. | ||
| And I'd be interested to hear Alex do exactly that. | ||
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Yeah, of course. | |
| Because he can't believe that. | ||
| Will not talk about it. | ||
| He spent most of 2009 yelling about the 10th Amendment, yelling about the rights of governors superseding that of the president. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He tried to get a constitutional convention going. | ||
| Well, what you don't understand is all of the governors work for the deep state, and only Trump is there to protect the union, Dan. | ||
| He needs to become king. | ||
| It's so fundamentally against Alex's professed belief. | ||
| about what our government is and how it operates, that I was like, well, I got to un-de-platform him. | ||
| I got to re-platform him to figure out what his response to that was. | ||
| However, on Tuesday, which is when we're recording, I turned on his episode, Owen Schroer's hosting. | ||
| What a motherfucker. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| What a piece of shit. | ||
| Trump's declared himself king. | ||
| Alex is like, fuck it. | ||
| I'm not doing this one. | ||
| You can find a way to spin this bullshit. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| I need time. | ||
| I'm going to kick this can down the road. | ||
| Get your dumb beard on air and mumble around. | ||
| So I watched a little bit of it and I found it incredibly boring. | ||
| So I am not going to do an episode about what Owen Schroyer's response was to this. | ||
| So I found myself back in that same pickle barrel. | ||
| And what I did was I sat with some feelings. | ||
| I reached out to our friend Robert Evans over at Behind the Bastards and asked, what do you want to hear about? | ||
| Oh, now he's got too much influence over this show. | ||
| I just needed a suggestion of like a direction. | ||
| And he suggested some more Bill Cooper. | ||
| And so I decided, yes, let's do that. | ||
| Now, unfortunately. | ||
| A lot of the things about Bill Cooper that I want to talk about, and I think that a lot of the audience wants us to talk about, are gigantic. | ||
| They would require essentially the same sort of thing that we did with Endgame. | ||
| Or even more than that. | ||
| I want to get into his stuff about the Oklahoma City bombing. | ||
| I want to get into Waco with him. | ||
| These are things that he covered as they were happening, but they're so... | ||
| Much to do. | ||
| It's so much preparation would be required because he does a lot of episodes and unlike Alex, they're all about the same thing. | ||
| And they're dense. | ||
| He talks about things. | ||
| I gotta fucking track that down now. | ||
| As opposed to Alex just rambling about nothing. | ||
| And so I want to do those, but I can't do them today. | ||
| Can't do them justice if you half-ass them. | ||
| That's why I'm thinking about maybe we shift things around And for a little bit, only do Bill Cooper and check in on Alex periodically. | ||
| I can handle that. | ||
| I'm not sure if I want to do that. | ||
| I'm not sure if the audience wants us to do that. | ||
| But it's something I'm considering, like flipping it. | ||
| Bill Cooper on Monday and Friday, Alex on Wednesday. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I'm thinking about that, if only to be a way to get through some of these larger topics that I want to. | ||
| But every time I'm in the position to do a Bill Cooper episode, it's like, well... | ||
| That's way too much for the need that we have. | ||
| We could treat him like one of our investigations, like a 2015 or a Sandy Hook, yeah. | ||
| That's something I'm considering. | ||
| So we will see. | ||
| But anyway, I wanted to... | ||
| Fulfill some of the audience's desire for some Bill Cooper. | ||
| One of the audience's desire? | ||
| I've gotten a number of messages from other people who want more Bill. | ||
| And so I listened to a lot of his stuff. | ||
| Trying to find a good episode that was like, this is a standalone thing. | ||
| This has some content. | ||
| This doesn't... | ||
| It's not something that's going to take us 40 hours to go over. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And it was tough. | ||
| I didn't really find much immediately. | ||
| But... | ||
| I did notice that Bill does a number of call-in episodes where people can just give him a call and talk about whatever. | ||
| That is exactly what I want to hear. | ||
| And a lot of them are labeled calls, call-in, you know, whatever. | ||
| That's convenient. | ||
| Some of them are labeled calls good. | ||
| So those ones you would think would be good. | ||
| The delicious ones, yes. | ||
| This one that I got today. | ||
| Is an episode from, let me get the date on this one, November 29th, 2000. | ||
| So a bit late in Bill's career, just after the election in 2000. | ||
| Just after George W. stole the election, yeah. | ||
| Bill is not happy about that. | ||
| And this one is labeled, calls really good. | ||
| I knew this is going to be really good. | ||
| This is going to be the good stuff. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| So I decided we're going to go over this, and I think it'll be good. | ||
| I think it'll be really good. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And one of the reasons for that is that we know from listening to Alex so much, one of the things he does is he takes calls when he wants to eat lunch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's very rude to listeners when they call in with stupid shit like don't pop air bubbles because they come from China. | ||
| He's like, oh, great. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| Takes a big bite of sandwich, and then he's like, I love that shit. | ||
| Yeah, so I think there might be some value in differentiating some of the things, some of the behaviors, some of the ways that Bill carries himself, and I think we'll see a number of those in this episode. | ||
| So here's how it starts with Bill opening up the floor. | ||
| We're going to take calls. | ||
| Whatever you want to talk about. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Let's talk about it. | ||
| We're going to be taking your calls all hour tonight. | ||
| 520-333-4578. | ||
| Phones are open. | ||
| And you can just say whatever you want to say. | ||
| Talk about whatever you want to talk about. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| It's alright with me. | ||
| I'll tell you one thing. | ||
| There's some pretty good movies coming up pretty soon. | ||
| Ken sent me a CD as he is wont to do with a bunch of movie trailers. | ||
| Upcoming movie trailers in quick time. | ||
| I fucking love this dude. | ||
| Quick time. | ||
| God, that's so funny. | ||
| We're going to be taking calls or whatever. | ||
| I don't care about what. | ||
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I don't care. | |
| I tell you, a lot of good movies coming out. | ||
| A lot of good movies coming out. | ||
| Let's think of it. | ||
| What are some good 2,000 movies? | ||
| Well, he actually does have one he references specifically, but we'll get to that in a minute. | ||
| Okay, all right. | ||
| One thing that blew my mind while I was listening to this is... | ||
| Bill's saying, like, as he is wont to do, because that is something that I used to say a lot. | ||
| As he is wont to do? | ||
| As is your wont. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| To the point where our friend Marty DeRosa... | ||
| Would do impressions of me saying that. | ||
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Like it was something that he made fun of me. | |
| And yeah, to hear Bill throwing that out. | ||
| Kindred spirits, if on opposite sides of the spectrum. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird. | ||
| I very rarely hear anyone use that expression. | ||
| And yeah, it was strange. | ||
| Yeah, as is their want. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| So we're in November 2000, right? | ||
| You're asking yourself... | ||
| What movies is Bill excited about that his friend has put on a CD in little media files, media player files? | ||
| .mov! | ||
| He's got one in particular that he is super excited about. | ||
| There's some really neat stuff coming up. | ||
| And there's one real scary one about some people get caught in an avalanche and they go down in this crevasse and they send six people up to rescue them. | ||
| If the movie's anything like the trailer, are you going to be scared to death for the whole movie? | ||
| I mean, just petrified, sitting on the edge of your seat. | ||
| Incredible stunt stuff that's way beyond the norm. | ||
| Scary. | ||
| At least I thought it was. | ||
| I thought it was the... | ||
| It's the kind of movie that will keep you riveted to the screen and keep your seat right on the edge of your chair. | ||
| How long was that trailer? | ||
| Your heart will be pounding. | ||
| Is this buzz marketing? | ||
| What is this? | ||
| That sounds like a commercial for a movie he doesn't remember the name of. | ||
| Do you know what movie this is? | ||
| Can you name that movie based on Bill's description? | ||
| No, but I do think I saw it. | ||
| I remember there being a point where there's a jump across the crevasse. | ||
| You're thinking of Cliffhanger, probably. | ||
| No, I'm not thinking of Cliffhanger, although that was the first name that did pop into mind. | ||
| The movie he's excited to see is Vertical Limit. | ||
| Which was released on December 8, 2000, just a few weeks after this episode was recorded. | ||
| Did you watch the trailer? | ||
| No, but I think I worked at the movie theater when it came out. | ||
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Oh, yeah! | |
| Because I did see it. | ||
| I remember seeing it, and I would never have gone if it wasn't work-related. | ||
| I can't imagine choosing... | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| So the review on Rotten Tomatoes seems to not agree with Bill. | ||
| You know, his review of the trailer. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Their review says, quote, the action sequences are so over the top and piled one on top of the other, they lessen the impact on the viewer. | ||
| That sounds great, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is completely off track, but it also is illustrative of a good point. | ||
| What's good for a trailer is sometimes not good for the movie itself. | ||
| The conspiracy theorist often doesn't understand this difference, and it's closely related to how they often fail to understand how what works well in terms of writing a headline may not always work best in terms of telling the whole story. | ||
| Very nice. | ||
| Anyway, Bill was probably let down by vertical limit, but it warms my heart to hear this guy so innocently enthusiastic about this upcoming movie. | ||
| It is really weird. | ||
| He's not saying that this avalanche movie is secretly revealing the plots of his enemies. | ||
| He just thinks the action looks good. | ||
| Yeah, I know! | ||
| That's so surprising. | ||
| It's another one of those things that makes me frustrated with Bill Cooper because he's so human, goddammit. | ||
| He's just a child being like, I really want to see the new Terminator movie when it comes out. | ||
| And not because there's a massive global conspiracy, because Arnold Schwarzenegger is great. | ||
| But I think that's even adults. | ||
| I don't even think that's childish. | ||
| I see a trailer for the Fast and the Furious movies and I'm like, I want to see that. | ||
| That looks really fun. | ||
| He's just saying, that looks fucking scary. | ||
| I thought that would be intense to watch. | ||
| That looks great. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's that it's uncomplicated. | ||
| He does not consider that the trailer is full of bullshit. | ||
| Now that we have Marvel movies where you can see a scene in the trailer that doesn't even happen in the movie, you don't trust trailers. | ||
| I don't trust trailers. | ||
| They put all the best parts in there. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| So, Bill has finished his movie corner, and now he takes it to the calls, and his first call is a critique about sound issues. | ||
| Open topic. | ||
| Open phones. | ||
| Open subject. | ||
| Open evening. | ||
| Open mouth. | ||
| Speak, old learned one. | ||
| Hello? | ||
| Hi, Bill. | ||
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This is Tom over here at BCQ. | |
| How are you doing? | ||
| Hi. | ||
|
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Your feed is getting very distorted, very fuzzy sounding. | |
| Nothing I can do about it. | ||
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You know, because it keeps cutting out and sounds very fuzzy. | |
| I've tried my different phone feed amps here. | ||
| Well, you want to try another hookup? | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| That's the only thing I know to do. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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You might want to check whatever is driving your phone system there and see if it's doing properly or whatever. | |
| Driving the phone system? | ||
| Yeah, whatever. | ||
| Yeah, I haven't changed anything. | ||
| Everything is exactly the same as it's always been every single night. | ||
| You know, like forever. | ||
| So he's got some fuzziness on the line. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| Open the calls for anybody who wants to talk about anything. | ||
| And then it's tech support. | ||
| It's somebody calling like, hey, man, my Wi-Fi isn't working that well right now. | ||
| What do you think I should do? | ||
| It may actually be a problem of Bill's uplink. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| To the broadcast satellite or whatever. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Because it does end up getting resolved, but it takes Bill a while on air trying to figure this out. | ||
| They could have gone to a song or something like this if there was any production at all, but instead we get this. | ||
| Okay, well, disconnect me right now and I'm going to reconnect. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Ah, I hate this. | ||
| I hate this. | ||
|
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Here we go. | |
| A little pause, folks. | ||
| I hate this. | ||
|
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I hate this. | |
| I hate this. | ||
| It's almost ominous. | ||
| Like in a horror movie. | ||
| When the phone is off the line, you're like, oh, well, obviously they're dead. | ||
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Hello? | |
| This is the one marked really good. | ||
| Technical difficulties. | ||
| Don't love it. | ||
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Let's all go to the lobby. | |
| In the same way that his movie reviews are this naively sincere whatever this is, that's the same thing. | ||
| He can't handle his own tech. | ||
| Can't figure this out. | ||
| Just on air. | ||
| The tone of voice. | ||
| The tone of voice. | ||
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I hate this. | |
| Ah, I hate this. | ||
| Just a little bit resigned, too. | ||
| Like, this fucking happens. | ||
| Now, I don't know if whatever he did fixed whatever that caller's problem was, or if the problem was with that caller, and there was no problem to fix. | ||
| No idea. | ||
| But it seems like everything's better now. | ||
| And so he goes and he takes another call. | ||
| And this guy has an interesting question to ask that I actually think implicates a whole bunch of different things in the conspiracy theory world. | ||
| And it's actually very similar to a lot of things that Alex has pitched in the future from this point. | ||
| It even has some connection to present-day narratives that this caller has. | ||
| And it's largely about the idea that after the 2000 election, Clinton could stay in office. | ||
| Bill Clinton could end up staying in office. | ||
| really fun to see how Bill responds to this. | ||
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I was tempted to vote for Buchanan, but when he wouldn't participate in those debates, he confirmed what you said about him, that he was there to lose the election. | |
| Yep. | ||
| So I switched over to Brown, and I'm glad I did. | ||
| No way. | ||
| No way. | ||
| There is no way in the world that Clinton can stay in office beyond the day that he's supposed to leave. | ||
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True, he could leave, but he could be reappointed as vice president by another administration and then come back in if the president who appoints him decides to get out. | |
| I don't think that that could ever possibly happen. | ||
| I don't think anyone would even consider it. | ||
| So that's a theory that Alex is suggesting kind of now about Hillary in some ways. | ||
| It has about the Trump impeachment to bring Hillary into power with Pelosi president. | ||
| They got Biden and Biden is too old and then he has to drop out and who swoops in but Hillary Clinton. | ||
| There were even things along these lines at the end of Obama's term. | ||
| This is just something that is a consistent preoccupation of the very dumb Parts of the right wing. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's just something that they are really deeply invested in thinking is going to happen, but it's so great. | ||
| That is never going to happen. | ||
| I really... | ||
| Because if that call came on Alex's show, he would be like... | ||
| Oh yeah, no, they can totally steal the election. | ||
| Let me tell you why. | ||
| I've actually heard from a lieutenant colonel that there's plans to do that. | ||
| Bill saying, nope, shut up, is a really fun thing. | ||
| Yeah, and then he even goes further and is like, anybody who's believing that is just dumb. | ||
| I've seen these emails and websites all over the internet claiming that Clinton has engineered this whole thing so he won't have to leave office and he's going to still be there. | ||
| You know, to be the next president. | ||
| And I've got to tell you, you know, there's a lot of people out there who aren't playing with a full deck of cards. | ||
| There's nothing between your ears. | ||
| If you'd just sit down and read the law, you'd find out that that cannot happen in a million years. | ||
| The only way it could happen is for Clinton to throw the Constitution and the law in the trash can, declare himself dictator, and he would have to have the military behind him. | ||
| So you're saying there's a way it could happen. | ||
| That's what I hear because I listen to Alex Jones. | ||
| So what you're saying is this guy, let's call him Clinton. | ||
| Would have to declare that he has total authority, and because the military is a lot filled with right-wing reactionary type folks, they would have to be directly behind the president. | ||
| Is that what Bill Cooper is suggesting? | ||
| I mean, that's the way that Bill is saying that could happen, and it can't happen in the circumstances surrounding Bill Clinton. | ||
| Particularly because, as Bill explains in this next clip, The military does not like Bill Clinton. | ||
|
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Exactly. | |
| Now, after the last eight years of destroying the military and having everybody in the military absolutely hating his guts and being a draft dodger, now just what do you stupid jerks think is the chances of the military supporting Clinton if he declared himself dictator? | ||
| I mean, sometimes I think this, you know, it goes beyond sheeple. | ||
| It's like, stupid! | ||
|
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Dumb, idiot, jerk, you know, rocks. | |
| It's like they're rocks. | ||
| Three sheep will have a brain, even if they can't use it. | ||
| You know, rocks don't even have a brain. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I feel you. | ||
| I just want to make sure that everybody knows that that last caller has got rocks for brains. | ||
| He's beyond sheeple. | ||
| That guy is so stupid. | ||
| He might as well be a rock. | ||
| Anyways, call in again. | ||
| It's interesting, too, because I don't know this to be the case, but I wouldn't be too surprised if Alex was trafficking in some of those theories around this time. | ||
| I wouldn't be too surprised because I've seen websites putting this out. | ||
| I'd be too surprised if it was fucking Prison Planet. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| It really could be, yeah. | ||
| Now, one thing that I found that was really interesting as I was going through some of these episodes, there are things that, like, obviously this wouldn't be a whole episode, but... | ||
| I think that Bill hated Alex a lot more than even we recognized. | ||
| There were a couple points. | ||
| Obviously, he did an episode about Alex being a liar. | ||
| He did an episode about his Y2K show. | ||
| These are things that he did. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| I think that he brings him up a bit more than even we recognize. | ||
| Here's a clip where he's right after 9-11. | ||
| Bill is talking about how everyone's in a panic about anthrax. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And how everyone should just calm down. | ||
| There's no need to get crazy about this. | ||
| And he takes an opportunity to take a swing at Alex. | ||
| Another place, a construction site. | ||
| This is a construction site. | ||
| Listen to me carefully, people. | ||
|
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This is a construction site. | |
| They're performing construction on this site. | ||
| They're building and cutting things and putting up drywall and cutting drywall and cutting holes in drywall and places for electrical outlets. | ||
| And all of a sudden, somebody looked around and saw a white powder on the floor. | ||
| Oh my God! | ||
| We're under biological attack! | ||
|
unidentified
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We're all going to die! | |
| Good thing Alex Jones wasn't there. | ||
| He would have evacuated whole Florida. | ||
| As stupid as he is. | ||
|
unidentified
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Get him! | |
| Get him, Bill! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
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Oh, man. | |
| I think if I were to listen to all of his episodes, which would be very difficult because there's a fucking 1,500 of them or something, I think that you'd end up finding a number of pot shots like that. | ||
| I think that he probably held his tongue. | ||
| Or, like, didn't care for a while. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| The two of them got into a little bit of a, like, oh, wait, this guy sucks. | ||
| He's lying all the time. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| And Bilge started taking shots. | ||
| Yeah, I bet he takes it a lot more personally than we would. | ||
|
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Like... | |
| Of course. | ||
| Because Alex is ruining his ideas by parroting them. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, he's the real shit, and Alex is becoming more popular at this time. | ||
| Not more popular than him, maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Certainly more popular. | ||
| He's becoming ascendant, and that's a man going like... | ||
| That's kind of how I feel. | ||
| Why is it that bullshit is so much better at getting attention than the truth? | ||
| Well, because Bill's not really giving the truth. | ||
| Well, exactly. | ||
| It's a weird thing, because he is more right about some things and then completely wrong about other things. | ||
| I mean, from his perspective. | ||
| Right, right, yes. | ||
| What Bill perceives to be a good faith effort to get to the bottom of things is being kind of hurt. | ||
| By the actions of Alex. | ||
| If I were Bill, I would think that Alex is going to fuck around and ruin everything because he's trying to do a bad name. | ||
| Gives a public face of a crazy person yelling into a bullhorn when I'm actually sitting here reading things. | ||
| Conceivably. | ||
| I'm doing the info part of Infowar, and you're sucking at everything. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. | ||
| I think Bill really hated Alex. | ||
| But anyway, back to the call-in show. | ||
| Bill gets another caller, and this is the... | ||
| Again, as you pointed out, this show was labeled really good. | ||
| Good evening, you're on the air. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah, I'm going to change the subject here a little bit. | |
| That's fine, it's open topic. | ||
| You can talk about whatever you want. | ||
|
unidentified
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I just received from the Sea Crane Company a radio catalog. | |
| Uh-huh. | ||
|
unidentified
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And I'm listening on a very beautiful set with a very extensive... | |
| Every night you are jammed. | ||
|
unidentified
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But Monticello, Maine, an hour before you come on. | |
| Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. | ||
| I don't take reception reports. | ||
| There's nothing I can do about it. | ||
| So why waste the airtime that I'm paying for? | ||
| Somebody's listening out there, and I want, you know, talk about something else. | ||
| It has to do with the FQA. | ||
| I don't take M-chex. | ||
|
unidentified
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Okay? | |
| Talk about something else. | ||
| If you want to talk about that, call WBC. | ||
| They can do something about it. | ||
| I can't. | ||
|
unidentified
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Do you have their number? | |
| I'm trying to do a radio broadcast here, folks. | ||
| He's trying. | ||
| He's trying to do a radio broadcast. | ||
| He's called. | ||
| I want an hour of tech support. | ||
| I want all of his fans to call in and be like, we're going to get this sorted out. | ||
| And then at the end, the last five minutes, they're like, this is perfect! | ||
| That caller thinks that he's calling in to say like, hey, someone's jamming you. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And then there's a conspiracy fun angle to it, but Bill is just like... | ||
| I'm not, this is not what this show is for. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Look, there's probably some other problem. | ||
| It even goes on to be like, alright, fine. | ||
| Fine, get like a radio transmitter identification thing and figure out where the jamming is coming from and then report it. | ||
| There's solar storms going on that's much more likely to be affecting your radio than somebody jamming the signal. | ||
| Like, oh man. | ||
| I bet he would love Carrie. | ||
| I think that he starts to get a little bit peeved. | ||
| Yeah, of course! | ||
| He wants to do a call-in show about crazy shit, and he's getting tech support. | ||
| Well, it's unfortunate, though, because sometimes calls do come in, like this next guy, who does want to talk about something a little bit crazy, but Bill does not have time for it. | ||
| Good evening, you're on the air. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yes, Bill, this is Mike in Philadelphia. | |
| Hi, Mike. | ||
|
unidentified
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How you doing? | |
| Good. | ||
|
unidentified
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I have a question for you. | |
| I would like to know, what is the 33rd degree of Freemasonry? | ||
| I heard you talk about it before where you said something like the Grand Inspector General is Lincoln. | ||
| You said the King of Earth? | ||
| What? | ||
| You weren't listening to me. | ||
| I don't know who you were listening to, but you sure weren't listening to me. | ||
|
unidentified
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Oh, okay. | |
| Now, what is the 33rd degree? | ||
| You don't have time to even learn that in the amount of time that you're going to be on this telephone. | ||
|
unidentified
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Hello. | |
| You need to go and listen to the Mystery Babylon series on the internet. | ||
| That's why I put them in. | ||
| It's 43 hours, I think. | ||
| 42 hours. | ||
|
unidentified
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Now, how much would that cost to listen through the internet? | |
| I don't know. | ||
| Go to the website and find out. | ||
|
unidentified
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Okay, thank you. | |
| You're welcome. | ||
| God, just... | ||
| He has become the human avatar of let me Google that for you. | ||
| Yeah, it's just... | ||
|
unidentified
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What the fuck? | |
| You've got to be disappointed. | ||
| If you're him. | ||
| I think this is really good. | ||
| No, I do too. | ||
| But you've got to be disappointed. | ||
| These are your listeners who are coming in. | ||
| This is just a cadre of two-time losers. | ||
| And to be fair, in Bill's defense, he did do a 43-part series about that. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is also something I want to cover. | ||
| But again, it's a 43-part series. | ||
| 43 parts might be too big. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I'm going to do it. | ||
|
unidentified
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Okay. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Before we're done with this podcast. | ||
| Before you die. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I might die in the middle of it. | ||
| But before we're done with this podcast, either as a human or a ghost, we will cover all of Bill's Mystery Babylon series. | ||
| Our podcast will be so popular in hell. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
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Oh, God. | |
| I think we could do it remotely. | ||
| Zoom. | ||
| Zoom. | ||
| Yeah, we could zoom hell. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, at this point. | ||
| The phone lines go a little cold. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everybody's gotten yelled at! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Everyone's afraid. | ||
| Is Bill going to be mean to me now? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So Bill makes a declaration. | ||
| 520-333-4578 is the number. | ||
| And we'll sit here and wait for the next call. | ||
| If there is no next call, I'll just go to bed. | ||
| Pause. | ||
| So what's going on here, the silence, the reason that he's waiting for a caller is because there is no hold. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There is no phone board. | ||
| It is just when the phone rings, there's a caller. | ||
| We pick it up. | ||
| If you are on air talking to a caller, no one can call in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the line is busy. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So when he says, I gotta wait for a call or I'm going to bed, he is straight up waiting for a call. | ||
| I got to cue up some going to bed music here. | ||
| Let me see. | ||
|
unidentified
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Ah, somebody calling. | |
| Good evening, you're on the air. | ||
|
unidentified
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Hello? | |
| Chicken plucker. | ||
|
unidentified
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Goodbye. | |
| That's got to be disappointing. | ||
| This is a grumpy old man. | ||
| I gotta get a call or I'll go to bed. | ||
| No calls. | ||
| Someone calls in. | ||
| They're not there. | ||
| He calls them a chicken plucker. | ||
| And sets his way of not cursing on air, although he ends up cussing a bit. | ||
| Yeah, well, obviously. | ||
|
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This is a very frustrating episode, I would imagine. | |
| Yeah, I mean, I guess he's supposed to go to bed now, but no. | ||
| He does end up getting a call pretty quickly after this. | ||
| He does not get to his going-to-bed music. | ||
| And this caller is basically on the same sort of tip as the guy who was saying that Clinton could stay in office. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Same sort of idea. | ||
| I believe his point was more about, like, Congress choosing a vice president. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| In these circumstances. | ||
| And then Bill gets a little mad at him. | ||
|
unidentified
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Hello? | |
| Oh, Bill. | ||
| I couldn't hear you. | ||
| Hey, listen, I want to ask you. | ||
| Turn your radio off. | ||
|
unidentified
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Right. | |
| I wanted to ask you, this is a thing that's been aired about if this thing has to go to the Senate and the Congress and the Senate about picking a vice president and whatnot. | ||
| Have you heard anything on that? | ||
| Read your Constitution. | ||
| It's all there. | ||
| It's written in English. | ||
| Very easy to understand. | ||
| We've talked about it a million times on this broadcast. | ||
| You should have a copy of the Constitution if you're an American. | ||
| Well, you do? | ||
| How come you can't read it? | ||
| Huh? | ||
|
unidentified
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I misplaced it. | |
| Don't bullshit me. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
|
unidentified
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God. | |
| Misplaced it. | ||
| Oh, yeah, I got one. | ||
| Well, how come you can't read it? | ||
| Oh, I misplaced it. | ||
| You never had one to start with. | ||
| You're a bullshit artist. | ||
| 520-333-4578 is the number. | ||
| Man, I could listen to grumpy old Don Rickles all day. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Just a weird patriot conspiracy theorist who is fucking fed up. | ||
| Read your goddamn constitution, you moron. | ||
| Because what's great about it is, like, on one level, Bill's right. | ||
| These callers are trash. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| They're bringing nothing to the table. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| It's his time, you know? | ||
| Like, it's a show. | ||
| He's trying to do a show. | ||
| These people are calling in with stupid shit. | ||
| You kind of feel for him. | ||
| Don't trifle with me, goddammit! | ||
| You kind of feel for him, but at the same time, you can't be too mad because these are the people that he has cultivated. | ||
| I know! | ||
| So, I don't know, man. | ||
| It's very conflicting, but I would absolutely listen to hours and hours of Bill just being progressively more mad at his listeners. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| I do want to know what his bedtime music is, though. | ||
| I would really like to know what... | ||
| Probably some deep cut from the Beach Boys. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So, in this next episode is where things kind of turn around. | ||
| There's a decent caller. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And he has a question about photography for Bill. | ||
| Good evening, you're on the air. | ||
|
unidentified
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Hey Bill, how you doing? | |
| Good. | ||
|
unidentified
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Great, great. | |
| I understand you're into photography too. | ||
| Yeah, love it. | ||
|
unidentified
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I'm just getting into this whole thing myself. | |
| Student in college and pretty exciting. | ||
| Black and white photography. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I like that probably the best, but it's only great if you have a dark room. | ||
|
unidentified
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Well, there you go. | |
| Now, luckily, I have access to the dark room there at the college. | ||
| Is that a public college? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| It's really something, and I heard you talking one time about Ansel Adams, and I've seen some of his work, and I would have liked to have seen that museum you went to with all the gray card effect. | ||
| Oh, that was absolutely magnificent. | ||
| It just made everything like three-dimensional. | ||
| Completely changed. | ||
| The vibe of the show is totally different. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Bill doesn't let the anger that he feels towards those other callers carry over into the next caller. | ||
| He treats everyone like an individual. | ||
|
unidentified
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Sure. | |
| This caller wants to talk about photography. | ||
| I love photography. | ||
| Let's talk about it like happy, civilized people. | ||
| I could be still mad at the guy who lied to me about having a constitution. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's kind of nice. | ||
| That's a little bit more adult than you see with Alex, where one caller will ruin him for a day. | ||
| Yeah, and the inverse caller is the one who would infuriate Alex so much. | ||
| You want to talk about photography? | ||
| I'm not going to talk about fucking photography! | ||
| You need a darkroom. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I do love that he's a conspiracy theorist who's just like, Yeah! | ||
| Let's talk about photography. | ||
| Black and white, that's my favorite. | ||
| Well, in the same way that, you know, as we were talking about with the movies, it's just like it's a human thing. | ||
| He likes this movie. | ||
| He's excited to see vertical impact. | ||
| He also has hobbies. | ||
| Like, he's a fully drawn person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, he's someone who has, like, yeah, I love taking pictures, like, putting them in the darkroom. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Bill gets to talking about how he has his own darkroom. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| The studio is in my darkroom. | ||
| I'm in my darkroom right now. | ||
| That's why you've heard reference. | ||
| Sometimes I've had guests in here on the radio and they've made reference to staring at a black wall. | ||
| I'm standing in front of this microphone staring at a black wall. | ||
| That's what that's all about. | ||
| Yeah, that's what that's all about. | ||
| This is the darkroom. | ||
| Do you develop color also? | ||
| Yeah, I do it all. | ||
| that nothing is being done in here right now because I had to pack up all my darkroom stuff to put the studio in here when I moved it in here. | ||
| But very quickly, now that the other room has been finished for a long time, we're going to be carting stuff out of there and all this stuff is going to come out of the darkroom. | ||
| The darkroom is going to be used for what it was meant to be used for. | ||
| And the studio will be in the other room. | ||
|
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And the Bill has artistic, creative interests outside of his conspiracy theory stuff. | |
| And that is... | ||
| I mean, it has to go a long way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In terms of, like, you know, Alex's interests outside of it are drinking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And doing commercials for his products. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, yelling at his staff. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| It doesn't appear that there's anything, like, he doesn't paint. | ||
| He doesn't write poetry or whatever. | ||
| He doesn't have anything that seems to be a passion outside of... | ||
| This, the info war. | ||
| And it's been that way for 20-something years, like his entire career. | ||
| I don't know, because you can't call his documentaries anything other than a slightly different extension of his show. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's interesting, because Bill's not taking pictures of... | ||
| Fake documents or something and then developing them. | ||
| They're going to be like a landscape or something. | ||
| Or a cardinal. | ||
| A beautiful cardinal in black and white which kind of defeats the purpose but still good. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| He's an interesting person. | ||
| Hobbies. | ||
| I'd like to find some of his prints. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel like they would be worth as much as Kanye West's high school drawing sold for. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I imagine whoever would Have them wouldn't part with them. | ||
| It seems like... | ||
| Did he have kids? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| He had a couple kids. | ||
| I don't know exactly how many. | ||
| Because, again, in the same way with Alex, personal lives are not the most interesting thing to me. | ||
| No, for sure. | ||
| But yeah, he definitely had some kids. | ||
| They might have the prince. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| I don't think they would part with him either. | ||
| That's probably true. | ||
| My wall will remain bare. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| So, that call was a delight. | ||
| The two of them had a great time sitting there talking. | ||
| That sounds great. | ||
| And we move along to another call. | ||
| Good evening. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Bill. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
|
unidentified
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You mentioned the other night that one of the churches had bought the PepsiCo. | |
| Was that the Mormon church? | ||
| Yes. | ||
|
unidentified
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Thank you very much. | |
| You're welcome. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That stirs up people, too. | ||
| Boy, they don't like to hear that. | ||
| Asked and answered. | ||
| That's the whole call. | ||
| He is saying that the Mormon Church bought Pepsi. | ||
| That's so different from Alex. | ||
| Alex would have spun a simple question into its own nonsense all the way over here, and he'd not be like, oh, the Mormon Church bought Pepsi. | ||
| He'd be like, the Mormon Church has done all kinds of evil things throughout time and history, and it's a fake cult and all that shit. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Instead, Bill just gives a yes or no answer. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| And he's wrong. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Moving on. | ||
| Pepsi is not owned by the Mormon church. | ||
| Absolutely not owned by the Mormon church. | ||
| This is a sort of long-standing old sort of conspiracy myth. | ||
| It was originally Pepsi, and then later iterations of it were Coke. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it all just goes back to the sort of conceptions that Mormons can't drink caffeine. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's sort of like, ah, hypocritical. | ||
| Oh, they're hypocritical? | ||
|
unidentified
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Well, that's one thing. | |
| Trying to decaffeinate Pepsi? | ||
| No. | ||
| One piece of it is like that hypocrisy argument. | ||
| And then the other piece is that the Church of Latter-day Saints does have like a for-profit side of it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| They do have like a lot of holdings. | ||
| I think it was last year someone came out and actually had a list of the firm, the things that were invested in. | ||
|
unidentified
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Sure. | |
| It was like Google, Alphabet, JP Morgan. | ||
| Like a ton of like really big investments. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In the same way of Joseph Smith taking quite a bit off the top, the Mormon Church just has to keep that going. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I do think that that existing is a part of why those conspiracies bubbled up. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The idea that they had bought these various companies, that there was something untoward going on. | ||
| And because of that, and because of the sort of... | ||
| I don't know, the intrinsic otherness of Mormons to people in patriot communities in particular. | ||
| Very staunch Christian absolutist types. | ||
| America has a long track record of hating Mormons. | ||
| Almost from the jump. | ||
| It's ripe for conspiracies. | ||
| And it's just one that's lingered forever. | ||
| Even to fairly recent days. | ||
| You get bored with all the shit the Vatican owns. | ||
| True. | ||
| You know, you gotta find some other church to do some hypocritical bullshit. | ||
| You know. | ||
| Sometimes you just need a new flavor. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Like a Coke or a Pepsi. | ||
| Cherry Coke. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is owned by the moment. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So this next clip, this next caller, is kind of a bummer. | ||
| It's a little bit of a sad story this guy has. | ||
| He got attacked and then can now no longer read. | ||
| So he wants to ask Bill, what can I do now that I can't read? | ||
| And it's a really interesting question. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Bill, I think that Bill responds as well as you can, but I don't know. | ||
| I have a lot of feelings about this call. | ||
|
unidentified
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I just need some help, okay? | |
| Well, what is it? | ||
|
unidentified
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Okay. | |
| A couple years ago, up in where I live, someone attacked me and smashed me in my head. | ||
| Beyond that, I can't read anymore. | ||
| So what can I do to help out people without being able to read? | ||
| I cannot read anything. | ||
| What can I do? | ||
| I got my whole house set up. | ||
| I have all the equipment I need, you know, the kerosene heaters stored and everything, and food stored and water stored and everything. | ||
| But what can I do when you can't read? | ||
| What is it that you want to do? | ||
|
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I don't know. | |
| I studied electronics for years and years. | ||
| And I can't do that anymore because I can't read. | ||
| I just want to help us, you know? | ||
| I want to help this country. | ||
| I want to help everybody. | ||
| I don't know what to do anymore. | ||
| I don't know what to do. | ||
| Find somebody that can read for you. | ||
| That's what I would do. | ||
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Just find somebody to help you read. | |
| Yeah. | ||
|
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Beyond reading, is there some other thing I can do? | |
| I don't understand. | ||
| What is it that you want to do? | ||
|
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I want to help this country. | |
| Well, the best thing to do is find out what the truth is and teach it to other people. | ||
| Wake them up. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And don't try to shove it down their throat. | ||
| You know, leave stuff laying around. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Casually mention things in conversation. | ||
| And if you do it right, people will say, well, what's that? | ||
| You know, and then you can lead them into a conversation and tell them about it. | ||
|
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Okay, very interesting. | |
| But make sure you know what you're talking about and make sure you always tell the truth. | ||
|
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Okay, thank you. | |
| I understand if I'm telling you the truth. | ||
| Very good. | ||
| Don't spread rumors. | ||
| Don't spread rumors. | ||
| Man, I really don't think I would say don't spread rumors to a guy who can't read because of an attack. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, the caller, the situation he's presenting is really sad. | ||
| No, that's the most terrifying thing I can imagine. | ||
| Yeah, but I also think that a lot of Bill's advice, I mean, find someone to read for you, is fine advice. | ||
| Although I imagine it might be difficult. | ||
| To find someone to read as much as you might want to read on your own. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So that could be tough. | ||
| But then some of the other stuff that Bill's talking about, like find out the truth and tell people, doesn't that require reading? | ||
| That's what I was thinking while he was saying that. | ||
| I was like, how do you... | ||
| And audiobooks, like, nobody is... | ||
| Doing an audiobook of these lunatic conspiracy theory books. | ||
| Some might be. | ||
| Maybe they did. | ||
| I think you might be able to find some in some weird catalogs. | ||
| Yeah, that's possible. | ||
| Some newsletters might have things you could order, but you've got to read the newsletter. | ||
| Can't do that. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| He clearly can listen to Bill, so he could take whatever Bill tells him at face value and assume that's as good as reading. | ||
| Which goes against what Bill preaches. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's a difficult thing. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Yeah, it's quite a conundrum, and it's a much longer call. | ||
| He ends up talking to this guy for quite a while, and he gets around to being... | ||
| Trying to be really encouraging about, like, you can teach yourself things again. | ||
| Like, you can... | ||
| Because the guy, he's not specific about what his injury was or anything. | ||
| I have no idea if this is accurate or not. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But Bill was just giving him a lot of, like, you can put your mind to it and work really hard, and you can read again. | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Believe in yourself. | ||
| Yeah, it's inspirational and also... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The inspirational part's good, but the actual advice that he's giving, it kind of is just repeat things you've heard on my show. | ||
| Functionally. | ||
| Or it is get a live-in reader or something. | ||
| An assistant to read to you, which I don't think is within the reach of most people. | ||
| I don't think you can afford that. | ||
| I guess if you're married, maybe you could have your spouse read to you. | ||
| That's going to put a lot of strain on your relationship if you take it too far and if your wife isn't particularly interested. | ||
| Yeah, there would be a true believer. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Bill talks about his show from the night before. | ||
| And I tried to find this, but it's not on the website. | ||
| So I can't find what the actual show is. | ||
| But he talks about it a little bit, and apparently what he did is he played the same song over and over again, like he was doing a music show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If I understand correctly, the point he was trying to make is about how we keep talking about the same thing with this election. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And no one's tired of talking about the same thing, and he plays the same song to sort of artistically make that point or whatever. | ||
| And he describes it in a way that is maybe accurate. | ||
|
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You had so many programs here lately about all the fortunes in Florida and everything. | |
| And last night you... | ||
| It seemed like you'd lost your mind. | ||
| You were so sick of a mess and everything. | ||
| No, I didn't lose my mind. | ||
| I was making a point. | ||
| I know. | ||
|
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You had a manic night. | |
| You ever hear of satire? | ||
|
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Satire. | |
| Last night was an hour of satire. | ||
|
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I know it. | |
| You had a manic night. | ||
| Yes, I'm known for my satire as well, sir. | ||
| So would Bill, I mean, without hearing it, I can't really accurately say. | ||
| But it's closer to what might be described as satire, based on what I understand the show to be. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Alex, I could easily see, thinking, I mean, like, what this caller is describing is Bill Lost His Mind. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That satire. | ||
| Which is... | ||
| Which is what Alex thinks satire is. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That was a calculated thing. | ||
| You didn't lose your mind. | ||
| You were specifically making a point through something that you think is absurd. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm not saying that I think that Alex listened to that and misunderstood what satire is. | ||
| It's just interesting that one guy does understand satire. | ||
|
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Yeah! | |
| This is so wild because the right is... | ||
| Criminally incapable of understanding what satire is. | ||
| It is simply not within their bounds. | ||
| And that Bill Cooper is both this wacky man. | ||
| It's strange. | ||
| He's a complicated man. | ||
| I think Bill would be exiled from a lot of the right-wing communities if he was still alive today. | ||
| Unless he changed a lot of the things he believes. | ||
| Because I was listening to a number of his episodes from like after 9-11. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And like he was talking a ton about how the people who did this were not doing it for no reason. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There is a geopolitical reason why someone would commit a terrorist attack against the United States. | ||
| I thought it was because they hate our freedoms. | ||
| I just think that he would have like the... | ||
| The president declared himself king. | ||
| I think Bill Cooper, hopefully. | ||
| Based on the way that we've seen him, it seems like he is staunchly committed to his principles and capable of accepting information, which is a rare thing. | ||
| He also thought he was going to buy Gannett. | ||
| That is true! | ||
| He's a complicated man. | ||
| The thing that I always can't decipher, and I probably never will be able to, is that if Alex had died... | ||
| Years ago, you never would have thought he would join Trump either. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| It's not inconceivable to me that Bill would change with the time somewhat, but he doesn't ever, in any of the episodes that I've listened to from his show, he never seems to be as chasing of anything as Alex is. | ||
| Alex, through almost all of this, seems very desperate. | ||
| He seems very much needing of something. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, the way he goes around with a bullhorn in his early career, trying to make spectacles of things. | ||
| Like, that is desperate behavior. | ||
| And I feel like Bill is more like, let things come. | ||
| And so I don't think he would. | ||
| Like this show, he's letting callers come, even if they're just asking for tech support. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's just annoyed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's just annoyed. | ||
| So that caller was talking about the issue with, like, you're not voting for the president. | ||
| Electors are voting for the president. | ||
| Which apparently was a part of Bill's satire piece. | ||
| And so the caller's like, I don't know why you were talking about that. | ||
| You talk about that a lot. | ||
| They don't understand satire. | ||
| You've talked about that issue a number of times. | ||
| Why did you talk about it? | ||
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Well, I'm just, what I'm saying is, I know that they're not voting for electors. | |
| It's just, it's supposed to be this fiat election for president. | ||
| And I was confused why you were bringing it up, you know, why you were giving an even issue, because... | ||
| You know, you've already spent time teaching people or trying to bring their attention to. | ||
| That doesn't mean they listen to me. | ||
| How many times have I told people to get a copy of the Constitution? | ||
| It's very short. | ||
| It's written in English. | ||
| Anybody can understand it. | ||
| And how many times every night when I open the phones, you hear people call that still haven't got a copy of the Constitution, haven't read it, and try to bullshit me, like this one guy did tonight, and try to tell me he had it when I knew damn well he'd never even seen one. | ||
| So, I mean, like, Bill has a keen awareness that his audience is not, like, they don't listen. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's fascinating. | ||
| I guess if you... | ||
| I suppose if you're dealing with any kind of, like, ideals towards education, it has to be a... | ||
| Near, like, constant stream of people disappointing you from time, you know? | ||
| Yeah, you have to get over that pretty early or it probably won't last. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And you also have to have a lot of patience, probably. | ||
| He does remind me of, like, a social studies teacher I had in junior high of just like that. | ||
| I've been doing this for 30 years. | ||
| You're not the first kid to ask me this question. | ||
| I am sick of people telling me that the Constitution says some shit it doesn't. | ||
| Fucking do your homework, asshole. | ||
| Everybody gets a D. You've read the Constitution? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Where is it? | ||
| I misplaced it. | ||
| I misplaced it. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Bullshitter. | ||
| Yeah, and I think that that's a... | ||
| Again, it does just keep coming back to more human things. | ||
| That's a very human way to understand... | ||
| The people who are listening to you without getting mad at them. | ||
| Maybe you'll be mad at individuals periodically based on the way that they're interacting with you. | ||
| But Alex hates his audience. | ||
| To the point where he fears interacting with them, as we've seen multiple times in his career. | ||
| And I don't think Bill hates his audience, but he definitely hates... | ||
| Some of these callers. | ||
| Yeah, oh yeah. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| And he only hates or is mad at anybody because they're disappointed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're not living up to what he wants them to be, which is very teacherly. | ||
| You're calling into my show, don't bullshit me. | ||
| That seems like a really simple thing to do. | ||
| And Alex can't do it because he's entirely bullshit, whereas Bill thinks that he's the one who's telling the truth here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| So this same caller here, who's had a little bit of time on the show... | ||
| Your audio's pretty fuzzy right now. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| He ends the show, or his call, by saying that Bill is the greatest living patriot. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Yes, you are a great teacher, sir, and as I said, I do believe you are the greatest living patriot. | ||
| Oh, well, thank you. | ||
| That's a great compliment. | ||
|
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You and I, I salute you. | |
| I feel like I told you before. | ||
| I tell everybody about you all the time. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
|
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And I salute you, sir, and if I was in Arizona, I would gladly serve in your militia, sir. | |
| Well, thank you. | ||
|
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Yes, sir. | |
| Have a good night, sir. | ||
| You too. | ||
| Be that as it may, my greatest hero is that young Chinese lad who stopped those 17 tanks in their tracks. | ||
| He must have been scared to death. | ||
| I just revere that young man. | ||
| I hope I can meet him before I die. | ||
| I think Bill died like a year after this. | ||
| I did not think he ended up meeting the tank guy. | ||
| I very much doubt it. | ||
| It's kind of sad. | ||
| That's a little bit of a bummer. | ||
| I almost think that, like, I'm imagining this, and I think Bill Cooper would have listened to Greta Thunberg's speech at the UN and just been like, God damn it, I disagree with everything she said, but way to take it to those assholes! | ||
| Maybe, I don't think so, because I don't think that he was into climate change stuff. | ||
| Nah, that's fair. | ||
| But, um, I don't know if you caught the second... | ||
| I would join your militia. | ||
| No, the second very specific expression, That I use all the time. | ||
| Be that as it may. | ||
| Now we have As Is Their Want and Be That As It May on the same episode of the show. | ||
| I worry. | ||
| I worry. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| How does reincarnation work? | ||
| How many kids does he have? | ||
|
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And how old would they be right about now? | |
| And were you secretly adopted? | ||
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Conceivably, I could be the right age. | |
| I think it's possible. | ||
| I think we just found something crazy. | ||
| I gotta go talk to my dad? | ||
| No, I don't think that is the case. | ||
| I wonder, though. | ||
| And you were born in Texas? | ||
| No, I wasn't. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Well, then never mind. | ||
| So, in this next clip, it's weird, because you hear stuff about Hillary on this episode, and it's like, wait a second. | ||
| Bill is just leaving office in 2000. | ||
| And I forgot that Hillary ran for senator in New York while Bill was still ending his term. | ||
| I completely forgot that that was the overlap. | ||
| And so, of course, Hillary is a subject that comes up. | ||
| And so what Bill believes, I'll let him spell it out. | ||
| What they will do is Hillary Clinton, and she's already said it, and I've already told you about it, she's going to introduce an amendment to do away with the Electoral College and have the vast, unwashed, ignorant herd actually elect the president and vice president. | ||
| Bill does not like democracy. | ||
| Not a big fan! | ||
|
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No. | |
| But that's pretty consistent with a lot of the right wing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They don't like the idea of popular vote stuff. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But the tyranny of the majority. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| She didn't do that. | ||
| And the irony that he could never have guessed is that 16 years later, had she have done that, she would be president. | ||
| That is very funny. | ||
| That is a sad thought. | ||
| It's a very sad thought. | ||
| That's very weird. | ||
| In all directions. | ||
| In 2000, he's saying Hillary is going to get rid of the Electoral College. | ||
| In 2016, Hillary loses the presidency because of the Electoral College. | ||
| It is kind of ironic that it's... | ||
| Doubly her fault that she lost the election. | ||
| She lost the election in 2000. | ||
| That's when she lost the election for president in 2016. | ||
| That's fascinating. | ||
| So we get another caller here who says he wants to talk about Al Gore, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So Al Gore, his daughter. | ||
| Is married to someone from the Schiff family. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| The Schiff fortune. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And so he speculates about how the Schiffs were connected with the Rothschilds. | ||
| And Bill has an interesting response to this. | ||
|
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One other observation I'd like to make. | |
| Okay, reading a Time Magazine article from Al Gore in the past, it said something how his daughter... | ||
| had gone to Washington, and somebody had hooked her up with somebody who was interesting, and she married this doctor, who was a Dr. Schiff. | ||
| And in the article in Time magazine, they mentioned that this Dr. Schiff was the heir to the Jacob Schiff fortune, and they referred to Jacob Schiff as the turn-of-the-century industrialist. | ||
| And as far as my recollections are, Jacob Schiff was supposed to have grown up in the home of the Rothschilds. | ||
| He was supposed to have lived almost on a second floor. | ||
| Well, wait a minute. | ||
| There's a lot of rumors floating around about this kind of stuff. | ||
| I could find no verification for that whatsoever. | ||
| I see. | ||
| None whatsoever. | ||
| And I'm talking about the part where he grew up with the Rothschilds. | ||
| I can find absolutely no verification for that at all, period. | ||
| So, that you'd never hear. | ||
| No. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| No. | ||
| You'd be like, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| He's from the Rothschilds. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Let me tell you, Baron Rothschild crashed the economy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Waterloo, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah, that's like, hold on now. | ||
| There's a lot of rumor. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| There's a lot of rumor here. | ||
| I'm so interested. | ||
| I almost have no interest in what he does believe, and I'm so much more interested in what he rejects. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Because that defines... | ||
| Because Alex doesn't seem to reject anything other than Q, which he secretly loves and probably believes in or whatever it is. | ||
| Most likely. | ||
| Yeah, but what he rejects creates this kind of series of boundaries that he'll act within as far as what conspiracy theories he chooses to believe or not. | ||
| And the boundaries are really fascinating. | ||
| In comparison to Alex, who doesn't seem to have any. | ||
| Alex does have boundaries. | ||
| Anything that's pro-left, anything that's pro-multiculturalism, pro-feminist, pro-LGBTQ, anything in his world. | ||
| Anything that is conceivably right-wing, he'll go along with. | ||
| Because he's a leader of the Infowar. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He's absolutely the leader. | ||
| I do agree with you. | ||
| I don't agree necessarily that Alex has no boundaries, but they're much weirder. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But what you don't put up with or what you don't believe does give a framework. | ||
| Yeah, you have to find out what you're not before you can really find out what you are. | ||
| And in some ways... | ||
| That's a sign of somebody who actually thinks they believe something. | ||
| Because Bill is willing to be like, no, I don't want to do that. | ||
| That's a rumor. | ||
| You can't prove that. | ||
| I've looked into it. | ||
| I can't prove that. | ||
| That introduces a barrier for his ability to go down that road. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And Alex wouldn't do that. | ||
| That's another thing that you say, too. | ||
| What? | ||
| I could find absolutely no evidence of this. | ||
| Yeah, but it's not as trademarked a phrase. | ||
| So, you know, it's great to hear things like this, where Bill is saying, like, that's a rumor, you can't prove that. | ||
| But at the same time, he also says stuff like this. | ||
|
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Okay, Bill. | |
| And make no mistake about it, Al Gore is a dedicated Marxist, and his goal is world communism. | ||
|
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Okay, Bill, I just want to thank you for all that you've done to educate us all, and God bless you and God keep you. | |
| God bless you, too. | ||
| Thank you for calling. | ||
| Bye-bye. | ||
| So, Al Gore is a dedicated Marxist who's trying to bring in world communism. | ||
| Is that a rumor? | ||
| I can find no verification of that. | ||
| I've looked into it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it's that double-edged sword of like, yeah, he'll push back on some things that are brought to him, but he doesn't apply the same level of criticism towards the things that maybe he's already accepted and deemed proven. | ||
| And that creates a little bit of a problem. | ||
| So we have one last clip here, and it's a caller who's trying to... | ||
| It's unclear exactly what he's trying to do, but it seems like what he's trying to say is that women shouldn't be allowed to teach. | ||
| Bill, for the third time in this episode, shuts that shit down. | ||
|
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When people enter into spiritual fornication, with other words, serving other gods beside the Lord, and in particular, when you have a situation where Apostle Paul says that A woman, you will not allow a woman to teach and to have authority over men. | |
| When people disobey this word or this command, which is Old Testament command as well, then you will have other spirits partaking... | ||
| Well, wait a minute. | ||
| We don't allow preaching on this broadcast. | ||
| That's your opinion. | ||
|
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This is factual. | |
| No, that's your opinion. | ||
| Good night. | ||
| Good night, folks. | ||
| God bless each... | ||
| And every single one of you. | ||
| Good night, Annie Plum and Allison. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| So, to answer your question about the kids, I think he ends his show saying he loves his kids. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But, I mean, hey, man, that's a dude calling in with some fundamentalist-ass shit, and Bill's like, that is your opinion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's really good. | ||
| That's a great answer to that. | ||
| We don't allow preaching on the show, although he does. | ||
| Of course he does. | ||
| No, of course he does. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| He preaches himself sometimes. | ||
| Not the same way that Alex does, but there is still some definite religious inclinations. | ||
| Yeah, I would be interested to know if he fake prayed on air. | ||
| I've certainly not encountered it. | ||
| Nothing that crass. | ||
| But, like, his belief in God seems to be sincere. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And then secondarily, it also seems kind of functional. | ||
| Like, there are some times where he's expressing things that kind of go along the lines of, like, Pascal's wager. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, if you believe in God and he doesn't exist, there's no... | ||
| You got nothing to lose. | ||
| And if you don't believe in God and he does exist, you're fucked. | ||
| So why not just believe in him no matter what? | ||
| It works out better. | ||
| He has some things that I've heard him say that kind of go in that direction. | ||
| And then the other thing is that he believes that without the existence of a deity, creator-endowed rights don't exist. | ||
| And because of that... | ||
| and rule your lives. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And that's why communists want to get rid of religion, because if they get rid of religion, they get rid of the concept of creator-endowed rights. | ||
| And I think that he just has some sort of a belief that fundamental rights can't exist outside of them being bestowed by a deity. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I think, at least in the episodes I've listened to, it seems like a lot of his primary... | ||
| Primary interest in religion comes from those places, which I think is interesting, and I also don't hate that much. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't agree with them, but I don't hate it that much. | ||
| No, I mean, that's kind of that point of view. | ||
| I hate the part about being against communism because you think they're going to destroy God in order to get rid of creator and doubt rights. | ||
| Religion is the opiate of the masses because we want to destroy God and take away human rights. | ||
| Seems like an odd... | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it's not as bad as Alex's sort of religious bend. | ||
| No, it is, like, in a way, it is a kind of functional thought process in the sense that if you believe that there is a creator that gives you rights, that reinforces your superiority to the natural world. | ||
| Otherwise, we're all, you know, like Tennyson, you know, we're nature red in tooth and claw, you know, that kind of thing. | ||
| Without that idea of creator-endowed rights, or punishment for negative moral actions, he probably believes that people would just go insane and start killing each other all over the place. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Something along those lines. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| Which is, because there's no God, so, you know, in the same Pascal's Wager, why not? | ||
| I mean, I guess that would be the flip side. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's a fascinating weirdo. | ||
| Who's similar to Alex in a lot of ways and also completely dissimilar. | ||
| I think it's really interesting that at least three instances on this episode... | ||
| His episodes are only an hour long, too. | ||
| So it's like three times within an hour of taking calls. | ||
| And by the way, I mean, what was it? | ||
| The first 15, 20 minutes of the episode was a disaster. | ||
| At least. | ||
| But three times he was able to have a caller who said something. | ||
| He's like, fuck that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| That's good stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, it indicates, too, a complete lack of concern with turning this person off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're not resources to him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're people who he wants to get a message. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's pretty fundamentally different than the way Alex sees his audience. | ||
| It's pretty clear that they're just people to market to. | ||
| Yeah, they're cash. | ||
| He gets dollar signs in his eyes if he hears that his audience grew. | ||
| Not like, I have greater reach to spread my message. | ||
| None of that. | ||
| And who knows if it might have been different earlier, but certainly not in the last years for sure. | ||
| The pursuit of money will kill you. | ||
| Whatever that is. | ||
| William Shakespeare. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| TJ. | ||
| Thomas Jefferson paraphrased it later on. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| Yeah, man, I don't know. | ||
| This is an interesting little trip. | ||
| I am glad to be able to... | ||
| I know that I've made reference to Bill's call-in shows in the past about how clunky it is, and then also how he treats his audience much differently than Alex does. | ||
| And I think it's nice to take a little glimpse at this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And actually be able to see it demonstrated as opposed to just like, oh, he does this. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| So there's this. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| I think the next time we dip dap into Bill, I think we've got to be undertaking one of these bigger projects. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Something more substantive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think I want to do it. | ||
| As much as I enjoy tech support calls, there's nothing really to research other than ham radios, I guess. | ||
| That's what you need to look into, then. | ||
| I mean, I would like to know more about that guy's model. | ||
| I like antique radios. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| So, we'll see about that. | ||
| I think we'll probably get to work on some of that stuff and see if we can't crank something out in the near future. | ||
| But we'll be back on Friday. | ||
| Maybe Alex will be back platformed by Friday. | ||
| It really honestly depends on if he's in studio tomorrow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But we'll see. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
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Yep. | |
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| And I go to Ben Jordan. | ||
| Yes, we are also on Facebook. | ||
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| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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You're on the air. | |
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Alex, I'm a first-time caller. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |