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April 8, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#417: April 5, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss Sunday's episode of Alex Jones' show because he couldn't make it in to work on Monday.  In this installment, Dan finds a new rival based on vocal patterns and Mike Adams finds a new fake miracle drug.

Participants
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a
alex jones
13:05
d
dan friesen
01:06:51
j
jordan holmes
23:05
Appearances
m
mike adams
04:51
p
patrick howley
02:51
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unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
and endure knowledge fight need money stop it it's time to pray I'm Kansas.
alex jones
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
unidentified
Hey, everybody.
dan friesen
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan?
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
You go first.
jordan holmes
I go first?
Yes.
dan friesen
Because I have a rant.
jordan holmes
Oh.
I assume this has nothing to do with WrestleMania, so I will say that my bright spot is we were on this week's episode of Opening Arguments.
That was great.
It was a ton of fun.
dan friesen
Yeah, big thanks to Andrew and Thomas over there.
I appreciate them having us on.
A lot less legal conversation than I expected for a legal podcast.
You know, there's not a ton of legal questions I have about Alex.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Because a lot of it is just sort of blanketly, like, yeah, you can get away with saying a ton of shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it seems like my main conclusion from being on a law podcast was everything Alex does should be against the law, and yet somehow it's not.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
So there's no point in talking about it, I guess.
dan friesen
Yeah, but super fun, and thanks to them again for having us.
Check that out if you have not heard it.
My bright spot is night two of WrestleMania from Sunday.
jordan holmes
I'm shocked.
I am shocked.
dan friesen
Cheers and jeers.
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's do a whole segment.
dan friesen
Jeers to the Randy Orton and Edge last man standing match.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
They built up a great feud between the two of them.
It was really engaging as a storyline, but that match went on 40 minutes.
jordan holmes
It went on 40 minutes?
It was too long.
40 minutes!
dan friesen
I got very bored.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Last man standing matches are very difficult because what you have to do is you have to beat up the other person to the point where they can't stand up within 10 seconds.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And so there's always the tension of, like, getting to eight seconds and struggling to get to your feet.
jordan holmes
Of course, of course.
dan friesen
That just draws.
It's such a fucking stretch.
jordan holmes
Classic Mike Tyson punch-out rules.
dan friesen
It's very frustrating.
But all of that was banished from my mind after the John Cena and Bray Wyatt Firefly Funhouse match, which was...
The best.
jordan holmes
We were talking after the show one night, and you were like, what I'm looking...
The Fiend has a habit of pulling out people's old past characters and bringing them to the fore, and then I read the next day about Dr. Thuganomics, and I'm like, okay, well, Dan knows what's up.
dan friesen
He seems to have an ability over time and space, to an extent.
jordan holmes
Someone unspoken, if I understand correctly?
dan friesen
Sort of.
And he also has a character.
Bray Wyatt is possessed by this demon called the fiend that has superpowers of some sort.
jordan holmes
Actually, this is the thing that's normal to say.
dan friesen
And he's able to manipulate people's like their psychology or something and show them something of themselves that maybe they didn't want to accept.
jordan holmes
He's the ghost of Christmas past!
unidentified
It's just...
dan friesen
It was masterful, the short film that they put together.
Because it wasn't a match.
It wasn't John Cena fighting Bray Wyatt as the Fiend.
What it was was basically a short film where the audience was taken inside the mind of John Cena.
John Cena, the biggest WWE wrestling superstar from the last 15 years.
The hero of the children.
The top guy in the business.
16-time world champion.
And he was taken inside his mind and thoroughly deconstructed to the point where he accepts he's the bad guy.
unidentified
It was remarkable.
jordan holmes
What did Marcel Duchamp direct?
dan friesen
Might as well have been.
jordan holmes
What is going on?
dan friesen
It was...
Astounding.
First of all, the complexity and the story that it told was something I did not imagine the WWE was capable of.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
And then two, the fact that John Cena would allow that.
Given how big of a person he is and how much he doesn't need to do something like this.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
He's a movie star.
He's in movies.
He doesn't need to allow Bray Wyatt to...
Put him into a psychological prison and deconstruct his ego.
It's awesome.
jordan holmes
No, he's auditioning for Shutter Island 2. That's the one that Scorsese's going to film next, I think.
dan friesen
God, it was good.
I had very scared expectations about it because I'm an old-time Bray Wyatt fan.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I mean, as much as I am a wrestling fan.
That's my kind of thing.
Bray Wyatt's original character was a swamp hillbilly cult leader.
jordan holmes
I kind of liked Bray Wyatt, to be honest.
dan friesen
Talking these rambling, weird riddles.
jordan holmes
Nonsense.
Absolute nonsense.
dan friesen
So good.
jordan holmes
Impenetrable.
dan friesen
And they always want something really to work out, and then nothing ever does.
His storylines always kind of fizzle a little bit.
And so I had a real feeling that this was going to be another one of those things.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because they tried to do some Bray Wyatt spooky house matches in the past.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
I just really thought they were going to do that again.
And instead, what they got was a scathing portrait of...
First of all, John Cena's character trajectory through his career.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
To the WWE itself, to an extent.
Vince McMahon.
And a deeply emotional resonance.
Because throughout it, the character of Bray Wyatt is sort of guiding John Cena through these realizations that he's the bad guy.
And he gives him chances.
To recognize, like, this thing about himself, and because of John's ego, he can't recognize it, which leads to the ultimate conclusion of John being destroyed.
jordan holmes
Like, it's great!
David Lynch is working for the WWE for one night.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
I love it.
Mulholland, drive me.
dan friesen
I will claim that I'm not a huge wrestling fan, and I stand by that.
I don't think that I am in the same way that most people like wrestling.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
But I think it has a remarkable potential as a storytelling medium.
Both in-ring matches and stuff like this.
The characters that they're able to build.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Because you suspend disbelief to the point where it's like, yeah, this guy, he's got a demon in him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why not?
dan friesen
This goofy neon shirt wearing fake soldier slash battle rapper.
jordan holmes
What do you guys think?
Dick Whitman's more believable?
dan friesen
Fuck off.
I like the medium for the things like that that it is capable of.
And I was very proud of them and it's a very big bright spot for me in this week.
jordan holmes
Well, that's great.
dan friesen
Loved it.
jordan holmes
I'm glad.
dan friesen
I watched it a second time.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
And I almost never re-watched things in wrestling.
I had to go back and like, that was...
And I watched it a second time the next day because I walked away from it feeling like that was spectacular.
And I second-guessed myself, and I watched it back.
I was like, no, that was as good as I thought it was.
Fantastic.
And to be clear, I don't want them to do a lot more of it.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
dan friesen
They would probably fuck it up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, they knocked it out of the ballpark.
dan friesen
Yes, yeah.
jordan holmes
Compared to the Undertaker match and your feelings on that, I would...
dan friesen
That might not have been as bad as I thought it was, but it was corny as hell.
This was corny in some ways, but with what I perceive to be a lot more depth to it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's the difference between, do you want a goofy 80s thriller action movie or horror movie, or do you want some tense psychological thriller that also gets a little cornball every now and again?
That's kind of the difference, and that's just more my taste.
jordan holmes
You can't go wrong with Dickens unless you're talking about Oliver Twist, in which case, yeah, you can.
dan friesen
You can get some weird, like, Jungian nonsense going on in your wrestling.
It's great.
So, before we get into today's episode, where we're going over April 5th, 2020, baby!
Oh, boy.
We are going to take a little moment here to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
So, first, Galakfire, G-A-L-A-K-F-Y-R-R.
Thank you so much.
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alex jones
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jordan holmes
Thank you, Gallagfire.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
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alex jones
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jordan holmes
Thank you, Emperor Chex the Flatulent.
dan friesen
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alex jones
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jordan holmes
Thank you, Sarah FM.
dan friesen
Probably married to Jack.
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jordan holmes
Thank you, Xavier.
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jordan holmes
Thanks, Luke.
dan friesen
Next, Alex Jones Erotic Fan Fiction Society.
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alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Alex Jones Erotic Fan Fiction Society.
dan friesen
And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on Elevated Level.
We appreciate that very much.
So first of all, Chris, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Charles, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Chris, and thank you so much, Charles.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
Does that mean Charles is an honorary member of the Conspiracy of Chris's?
dan friesen
No, that's only for Chris's.
jordan holmes
That's only for Chris's.
dan friesen
Very specifically.
So, if you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoy the show, I'd like to support these gents too, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefait.com, clicking the button that says support the show, we'd appreciate it, or you could find a local charity in your area to help out with folks who need some help.
jordan holmes
Yes, we would like both.
dan friesen
So, both?
Jordan?
jordan holmes
One or the other.
Alright.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today, like I said, we're going over the April 5th episode of Alex's show.
And here's the thing.
I wanted to do a Wacky Wednesday thing, but Carrie Cassidy over at Project Camelot, I swear Carrie has not been bringing it.
And so I couldn't find anything there.
I wasn't finding a lot of inspiration in some of the places that we might look for a Wacky Wednesday episode.
And things got kind of weird with Alex, too.
Because he put out a Saturday episode of his show that was just long and boring and awful.
So I wasted a lot of time listening to that.
Friday's episode was no good.
And then Monday...
He was out of a studio.
He wasn't in studio on the 6th because he was in family court.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
He was having to deal with some motions that his ex-wife had filed because of his DUI.
jordan holmes
Entirely reasonable motions that his ex-wife filed, yeah.
dan friesen
So he was out of studio, so that leaves us really only with April 5th, the Sunday show.
And so I was like, well, we should check in on this.
So I listened to it, and I actually think this is a pretty important thing to cover because...
There's some really stupid fun things here, but also there is a development of some narrative that I think will probably be a problem in the future.
jordan holmes
Oh, cool.
dan friesen
So we start off with Alex in a pretty doomy kind of feeling.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
alex jones
We are live, ladies and gentlemen, on this April 5th Sunday transmission with 211 days out.
unidentified
And more and more looks like the election will be canceled.
Because the PSYOP of PSYOPs has been launched.
alex jones
It's now official.
The United Nations has released guidelines written by the Melinda Gates Foundation that no one will be allowed to leave their homes or go back to work under the new worldwide martial law until you've been forcibly inoculated.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
So I did not find any evidence of any of that stuff, but that's the headspace Alex is in, so that should tell you a little something.
So, on some recent episodes, we've seen a trend sort of coming into existence that is, whereas Alex was comparing the coronavirus to the flu in the past, he started to really get more interested in talking about it as a cold.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think part of that is because maybe someone told him that coronaviruses in the family of coronaviruses can cause the common cold.
And I think that he's like, you know what?
People are way less afraid of the cold than they are of flu.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So let's go ahead and just run with that.
jordan holmes
Let's really downplay it and try and get as many people hurt as we can.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So now that is evolving.
And he's starting to suggest that people who are testing positive for coronavirus, COVID-19, they actually are false positives.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Because they have the cold.
alex jones
While we get into all this, I'm not joking around.
Coronavirus.
UK says 3.5 million antibody tests coming in days.
And then you learn you've had the common cold in your life.
Well, we've all had it.
So, see, everyone they're testing, and I've got medical doctors coming on the show about this, everyone they're testing who dies of cancer or lung problems or other diseases, or they're old, they have a heart attack, they're telling them you died of COVID-19 to create more hysteria.
dan friesen
So, I understand Alex's desperation to come up with a conspiracy here, but what he's suggesting does not make sense.
Partially because it's just scientifically dumb, but more importantly because he seems to be ignoring a very relevant statistic.
It's probably safe to say that literally everyone on the planet has gotten the cold.
Most people catch colds at least once a year, sometimes a couple times in a year.
If it were the case that the coronavirus tests were just creating false positives for people who had the cold, you'd expect that you wouldn't see so many of them come back negative.
How does Alex explain that there have been almost 2 million tests done in the U.S. and only a little over 370,000 of them have been positive?
If it were really just catching the common cold, that number would be much higher.
In order for Alex to credibly even suggest this conspiracy, I'm going to need for him to deal with that gigantic problem in the theory.
Which he won't do, because he's just pulling things out of his ass.
jordan holmes
I doubt it.
dan friesen
So it's just false positives from the cold, man.
jordan holmes
This is also one of the situations where there's a deserved media blackout over...
Like, you can't show anything that's going on, but people are being intubated.
People are coughing up blood.
This is how people are dying.
Their lungs are fucking exploding.
That is not the goddamn common cold.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
By no stretch.
And if there was some more general knowledge of, like, this is how people are dying, it would be real hard to sell the common cold narrative.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It should be hard to sell it anyways.
dan friesen
Yeah, I would assume so, but it's easy for Alex because, you know, he just says words.
jordan holmes
That does make it easier.
dan friesen
So he has now based this, he's established this narrative that there's a lot of false positives, just people who have the cold, and he gets into predicting a future where anybody who dies, they'll say it's coronavirus.
alex jones
And also in the future, they're going to say, anybody that's ever had the common cold, oh, you're a COVID-19 too.
But then they're going to say, well, to make sure, they're already doing this.
We got a vaccine.
They're making you beg for it first.
Bill and Melinda Gates already patented it a few years ago.
They've already got it ready.
Look it up.
They're going to roll it out and say you've got to have this shot and you've got to have the antibodies or you can't work or leave your house.
And it's all being announced.
dan friesen
So one thing that's really fun about this narrative, this thing of the vaccine already existing, is that it started when Alex began covering the internet conspiracy about the Peerbright Institute, which held a patent for this vaccine for chickens, which was completely misrepresented just because it involved a coronavirus.
That affects chickens.
But it's a coronavirus that's for chickens.
jordan holmes
Hey, don't worry about it.
dan friesen
This is fun because that conspiracy before Alex picked up on it, it all traces directly back to Jordan Sather, who's a big QAnon guy.
Alex is in the middle of this supposed war against QAnon, but he can't even recognize or accept that a bunch of his information and narratives come directly from the very people he's attacking as idiots.
So, I was watching Alex's show from Saturday, like I mentioned, and he had Francis Boyle on the show, where they discussed this Gates patent situation.
In that segment, they addressed the fact that the Pure Bright patent is for chickens.
But then they claimed that there are other patents.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Well, that helps.
dan friesen
Which Alex then flashes up on screen.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You can Google them.
I'll give you the patent numbers.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
One of them is U.S. Patent 10130701B2.
This is for the Peerbrite Institute, and it relates to the coronavirus.
Alex just shows the first page on screen, which is good, because it says that, coronavirus, Peerbrite Institute.
jordan holmes
That's the trick.
dan friesen
But if he scrolled to page four, he would see a graph there that's about the incidence of snicking, which is a thing that chickens do.
The second graph is for wheezing, which I guess humans do, too.
However, the y-axis of that graph is, quote, percentage of birds affected.
This is just the chicken vaccine again.
jordan holmes
Okay, so look.
All right.
You're telling me that no people snick?
I think people snick all the time.
That's just a thing that normal people do.
dan friesen
As I understand, it's a beak-related issue.
jordan holmes
Well, who doesn't have a giant beak?
dan friesen
This guy.
Who has two thumbs and no beak.
jordan holmes
This guy.
dan friesen
So the other one, that one's a bust.
That's no good.
jordan holmes
Is that one a bust?
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The only other patent Alex shows on air is a filing from the European Patent Office, number 1575-0093.5, which again is just the Pure Bright's chicken vaccine.
Alex has nothing, but I will grant that he has a whole lot of nothing.
That is true.
jordan holmes
He has tripled his nothing.
dan friesen
Yes.
And all of it traces back to a QAnon promoter that he's ripping off.
That he's mad at and hates.
jordan holmes
It is hard to focus on the sticks here, which is that he is killing people.
It is very difficult because this is so awful.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So also, with this, this is all just derived from Jordan Sather stuff, who's a huge QAnon guy.
And as we're putting out this episode here on Wednesday, this is the day.
Today is the day that Alex is supposed to unmask QAnon.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Did he do it?
dan friesen
Well, I don't know.
It happens.
on Tuesday.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So I don't know what Alex is going to bring to the table on Wednesday.
Probably in studio surgery.
Cutting that microchip out.
That's my guess.
jordan holmes
I'm hoping.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
So Alex gets down to talking about how the Gates folks, because they already have this vaccine.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
For chickens.
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But they're also doing this tattoo thing.
The tattoo that'll give you your virus records.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
The implantable chip stuff.
And apparently, the source on this, it goes back a ways.
Alex has known about this for a long time.
jordan holmes
I'm sure.
alex jones
David Knight broke a month ago.
COVID-19 tracking bracelets and a Bill of Melinda Gates MIT plan to put a digital tattoo that takes five minutes for a needle to stitch nanotech chips into you that can't be seen with a naked eye but under a black light that have your medical records on them that they scan on.
You can't cut it out because it's now in your flesh.
A digital DNA mark.
I remember I knew a preacher in Austin.
25 years ago, who was putting on Patriot events.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
And I went to dinner with him.
dan friesen
Christian identity.
alex jones
And he said, you know, you gave that speech at the church event about the microchip.
He goes, listen, God gave me a vision it's going to be a DNA tattoo on the left arm.
And I was like, okay.
But, you know, back then I was a Christian, but I was like, I look back on the stuff that guy said, and it all came true.
I ought to find where that fellow is.
He, like, moved to another state.
Regardless, it's here, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
That guy is hanging out with that friend of yours in high school's girlfriend.
Yeah, exactly.
Weird Christian identity preacher that Alex believes had visions.
jordan holmes
Hey, he's not seeing up in heaven now, Dan.
dan friesen
Also, this thing that Alex is saying that David Knight broke, he didn't break anything.
jordan holmes
He broke it.
dan friesen
Reporting on another article in some publication about this research that was being done.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They don't have the technology to do these tattoos yet.
jordan holmes
They don't have the technology for Alex to break a story.
dan friesen
No, certainly not.
David Knight doesn't have that brain tech.
So Alex gets into just lying about primary sources of that stuff.
He starts kind of slow.
It picks up, and at the end of this, this is so irresponsible.
But it starts off a little bit slow.
alex jones
Before he died in 62, he wrote the book, Brave New World Revisited.
dan friesen
Talk about Aldous.
alex jones
And Huxley went to Berkeley and gave a speech.
I've got thousands of articles to cover here, folks, literally.
But I'm just going back to this because this is everything.
jordan holmes
I remember this.
alex jones
And he said, my book published in 32 is not science fiction.
dan friesen
Didn't say that.
alex jones
It is a futurist projection of the world we want to build by 2020.
dan friesen
Didn't say that.
jordan holmes
That sounds like something a crazy person would say.
alex jones
And his contemporaries.
Talked about diet injections and injunctions controlling you and making you dumb and stupid.
So all these vaccines are Trojan horse piggybacked with sterilants and with...
Systems at lower IQ.
dan friesen
So none of that is accurate from the Brave New World Revisited.
Like I said, as I say whenever this comes up, I highly recommend people go listen to that speech.
He's very charming as a speaker.
jordan holmes
He's great.
dan friesen
And you can get a little bit more context of what Aldous Huxley was actually saying in that speech.
It was mostly about the comparison between himself and Orwell.
The 1984 system versus the Brave New World system.
Which would be the more likely version that this could rise up in?
That's kind of more what he was getting at.
He wasn't saying, this is our plan, this is what we've been doing, ha ha, suck it.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
But the other part there, he's contemporary.
He's talking about Bertrand Russell.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And the diets, injections, and injunctions line is something that Alex just takes out of context.
We've talked about this a bunch.
Bertrand Russell was talking about what would have happened if the Nazis had won World War II and had become a scientifically run system.
And he's saying that were that to be the case, had the Nazis won, which is a bad thing, he didn't want to happen, and they became a scientifically run system, diets, injections, and injunctions would control the population.
This is not them saying, haha, this is what we're doing, suck it.
Alex can read just anything about like...
Hypothetical situations or analyses of things.
Like, ha-ha, this is what everyone's doing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
I mean, it's selective, obviously.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You know, he doesn't do this with other things that work against his narratives.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Also, Berks and Russell was wrong anyways because, as we all know, the Nazis won World War II in 2016.
That's pretty much how it went down, right?
dan friesen
World War II ended, but then there was a re-emergence.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the Nazis had a great comeback.
It was bottom of the ninth, about to get a woman president, and then they swung for the fences.
dan friesen
So, speaking of pretty shocking comebacks...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Nicely done.
dan friesen
Alex has been really against the globalists and their extermination plan.
But on our last episode, we heard him sort of coming around.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, it's not a bad idea.
It's just they're the ones doing it.
dan friesen
Yeah, it seems like that wasn't a one-off.
It seems like Alex is really starting to feel like, well, maybe people should be exterminated.
I don't fucking know.
jordan holmes
Straight up.
alex jones
You don't think Bill and Melinda Gates run all these TV shows attacking me by name that they finance because I'm just up here saying stuff isn't true.
Now, I'll tell you, the public is pretty dumbed down, is pretty lazy, and doesn't care if they're doing this show.
Gates' argument is you deserve to die.
Maybe Bill Gates is right.
I'm not going to go join him because I'm a God-fearing person, but I get it.
dan friesen
Okay, I would say that if you're a God-fearing person, I don't know why Alex thinks that extermination of the population is warranted because people are lazy and dumb.
jordan holmes
Maybe they should be.
dan friesen
That's not a good reason to exterminate a population.
jordan holmes
Hey, come on.
We got Sodom and Gomorrah.
We got all those folks that God killed so Noah could be fine.
And, you know, God exterminated people all the time.
A God-fearing man is probably pro-extermination.
Let's be honest.
dan friesen
It seems like a misunderstanding of some of the finer points.
unidentified
Maybe.
dan friesen
At least as I understand God's message through Christianity.
jordan holmes
You know, people think that the New Testament is a book you should read, and I just disagree entirely.
dan friesen
I think that it is ludicrous, and also very fun-slash-scary, that Alex is now coming around to this, like, fuck it, the global should exterminate everybody.
Because what that entails or what that portends is like him being way more fine with mass death.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Should, like, I don't know, Trump do something fucked up.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
As long as it's couched in the sort of framing of fighting the globalists or whatever.
jordan holmes
It really is.
dan friesen
Why should I?
Why should I sit here and protect the sheep?
Why should I?
I'm not going to do it.
Let the globalists kill them all.
jordan holmes
I don't give a shit.
unidentified
Fuck you.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
dan friesen
No one's buying X3.
jordan holmes
Fuck it.
I don't give a shit.
I can't say that there aren't dark moments that I've had looking at Biden's poll numbers going like, you know what?
Fuck it.
I got nothing for you.
You guys want to do it?
You do it.
I'm not saying nothing.
But that's not a way to live your life, Dan.
dan friesen
There's a difference between the sort of moments of despair you might have of, like, we are not going to make progress.
Those are tough moments of reflection, much like me before WrestleMania Night 2. And then the darkness comes right before the dawn.
Well, maybe not.
But there's a difference between that and being like, for long times I have prophesied that my enemies would exterminate everyone and I've dedicated my life to fighting against that.
But fuck it, maybe they're right.
jordan holmes
There is a difference there.
There is a difference.
dan friesen
That's an invalidation of Alex's pretend everything.
Ah, fuck it, maybe Bill Gates is right.
You all should fucking die.
I don't care.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's Obama voting for Trump.
If Bernie is the nominee, we'll see what happens.
dan friesen
Well, so we have, in this next clip, Alex has had famous people call him.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And they're like, hey man, you're right.
jordan holmes
Ted Nugent's wife?
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
I got a couple calls today by super famous people, and I'm not bragging.
jordan holmes
Sounds like a brag.
alex jones
Super famous people.
I mean, just you name it.
Rock stars, movie stars, huge national talk show host.
You're like, well, I thought you were wrong, but you really are right.
And I'm like, okay, great, we'll do something about it.
Oh, I'm afraid to.
jordan holmes
Sounds like a brag.
alex jones
So it means nothing to me until those people do something.
And I told them.
I said to one of them, I said, I don't really want to talk to you until you just come on the show.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right, buddy.
alex jones
Or until you come out and do something.
jordan holmes
All right, you star fucker.
alex jones
Trying to hold on to what you've got is going to lose everything.
America had everything because we would fight and we weren't pushed around.
You look at America now on average and we're soft and we're lazy and we're stupid and we're evil.
And if you'll put up with 62 million aborted babies, you won't do anything.
dan friesen
So, sort of even further, like saying we deserve to die, which isn't good.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know who these rich, famous super megastars are, but I do love the idea of, like, I don't even want to fucking talk to you unless you'll come on my show.
Great.
Thanks for telling me I'm right, but if I can't get any PR out of this, I don't give a shit.
jordan holmes
This is when we find out it's actually Christopher Walken finally calling back after all those years.
dan friesen
Alex!
jordan holmes
Listen!
dan friesen
He's just calling back.
He doesn't want to tell Alex he's right, but he has another chicken recipe that he wants to share.
jordan holmes
I've been listening to the bells a little bit more recently, and I gotta say, you're right.
I don't even want to talk to you!
dan friesen
Who do you think Alex is, like, what's his version of, like, really famous?
Like, megastar?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
Maybe some country musician?
jordan holmes
I don't think Clint Eastwood might have called one.
dan friesen
Like, Willie Nelson's drummer?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know who these people are, and I guess we probably never will, because Alex...
jordan holmes
Bruce Springsteen's drummer, Conan's former bandleader.
dan friesen
So Alex has a guest on the show, and it's a guy who gave a speech at CPAC, at the CPAC event.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
He sucks.
Yeah.
I will say his speech at CPAC was pretty boring, and it was just some bad comedy, and I had a real tough time with it.
Based on this interview, he's rising the ranks in terms of, like, people I really dislike.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
He has one of the most annoying speech delivery, like, just the way he speaks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Very, very annoying.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Very condescending.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Why not?
Put them all together.
dan friesen
Also, why not throw in real dumb?
alex jones
We're going to Patrick Halle.
He writes for Epic Times.
It was amazing.
That's the best newspaper in the world.
Yeah, they're just incredible.
jordan holmes
Won't check it out.
alex jones
Another great site that Papert heads up, and that is NationalFile.com and the great work they're doing.
And he's done a big story breaking down the fact that Fauci and others that you see up there on that stage every night have big money ties to Bill Gates.
Fauci got $100 million in just one grant from Bill Gates.
So I want to explain something.
Bill Gates is running the show.
dan friesen
Nope, that's a very inaccurate reading of philanthropy.
So it's so weird how whenever these people are giving Patrick Howley's credits, I think it's Hawley, H-A-W-L-E-Y.
jordan holmes
I'm not sure.
dan friesen
I'm very sensitive to this because Howley is a slur in Hawaii where I grew up.
jordan holmes
So I'm not entirely sure.
I see what you're saying.
dan friesen
Anyway, Patrick Howley, Howley, I don't know, fuck, I'll say Howley.
Whatever.
Whenever they give his credits, they seem to forget that he started Big League Politics, which was just a shitty right-wing conspiracy blog.
Hey, that is really helpful.
And weird how that never comes up.
Almost like even they know it makes him look super bad and would undercut his imagined credibility.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
People think that vertical integration is a bad idea, but I say when it comes to politics, you gotta get it in.
dan friesen
Sure.
The Epoch Times is not one of the best newspapers out there.
It's a rabidly conspiratorial publication that Alex just likes because it's ferociously pro-Trump and super anti-China.
It's run by the Falun Gong religious movement.
And according to reporting from NBC News, Former practitioners of Falun Gong told NBC News that believers think the world is headed towards a judgment day when those labeled communists will be sent to a kind of hell and those sympathetic to the spiritual community will be spared.
Trump is viewed as a key ally in the anti-communist fight, former Epoch Times employees said.
You can kind of see how Alex would really be into that kind of editorial position.
jordan holmes
Ah, yeah!
It's run by the Falun Gong.
dan friesen
Okay, cool.
unidentified
Is there anything in the GOP that isn't a death cult?
dan friesen
So, on October 17th, 2009, the founder of the Falun Gong movement spoke to the staff of the Epoch Times, and the message that was sent was a little messed up.
It's very clear that the newspaper is an extension of an apocalyptic religious belief that looks forward to an ultimate clash with communism, particularly in the form of China.
From the speech, quote, The additions of the Epoch Times and other languages are crucial as well, for Dafa disciples are the sole hope for salvation for the world's people, whatever corner of the earth they may inhabit.
It wouldn't work if I, Li Hongzhi, who serves as the master to the disciples of Dafa, took on this work as well.
It's something that you must do.
My involvement will happen later, after the Fa rectifies the human world.
Before the time of the Fa rectifying the human world, you must save more people and allow more of the world's people to remain.
In the process of clarifying the truth, validating the Fa, and saving sentient beings, you are enabling people to survive the great catastrophe.
And only this portion of the human race will be worthy of seeing during the stage of Fa's rectification of the human world.
The true picture of the cosmos and all that has occurred since the world's creation.
After that will I commence far rectification of the human world.
Many things need to be done if this plane of existence is to be kept, for human affairs are really not so simple.
Saving sentient beings is something that has to be done by you, and during this period you are given this path so that you may establish mighty virtue with your righteous thoughts and actions.
Head towards consummation.
jordan holmes
All right!
Let's go write some blogs!
dan friesen
Most of that speech is about how you need to get this in line like normal media outlets.
jordan holmes
All right, everybody.
Huddle up.
You do all the work, and then after it's over, I will definitely help out.
And that is nothing at all like a cult leader.
How dare you say that?
dan friesen
And it's also nothing at all like, hey, if I were really directing everything here, people would see what's up.
So I'll come in later.
You guys gotta do this, because it doesn't really look like I'm exerting my will through this publication.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't like that.
dan friesen
It's not ideal.
The situation between Falun Gong and the state of China is far too complicated for me to unpack here.
But please don't take anything that I'm saying as to be minimizing of the repression that China has engaged in regarding religious.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
I'm not minimizing that at all.
And, you know, just because Falun Gong runs this paper that is baddie as fuck doesn't mean that it's within...
A reasonable response to incarcerate and oppress people.
jordan holmes
Sometimes everybody's bad in a story.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So anyway, the point here is that this is not a good news source.
It's an anti-communist propaganda depot run in the service of a religious mission that believes it's heading towards an apocalyptic standoff against demonic communists.
jordan holmes
So Infowars, basically.
dan friesen
Yeah, you know, there's a lot of overlap.
Now, where they differ, Jordan...
Is that the Epoch Times has definitely promoted the QAnon conspiracy.
unidentified
Okay, there we go.
jordan holmes
All right.
That's the only one.
Okay.
dan friesen
So if Alex thinks that they're the best news outlet, he has some questions he needs to ask himself about how he's at war with QAnon.
jordan holmes
It's almost like nothing matters, Dan.
It's almost like there's really no difference or meaning to just about anything that Alex says.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So anyway, Patrick Hawley also writes for them.
jordan holmes
Of course he does.
Yeah, he's a hero.
dan friesen
So Alex believes that Bill Gates is out to get him because...
Of course he is.
alex jones
And believe me, I know who's financing the lawsuits.
I know who's after us.
My God, again, Bill Gates, if you don't know, like The Good Doctor and all these shows are paid for by him where they attack me, they say it's meant to attack me, he finances documentaries where they name me, and he's behind it all because he knows I'm on his ass.
jordan holmes
Not behind us, buddy.
alex jones
Well, I mean, come on, dude.
You said everybody's dumb, so they don't know about your eugenics, so they deserve it, survival of the fittest.
And your social Darwinism, well then, don't we have a right to warn them?
So again, ladies and gentlemen, look at the look on Bill Gates' face in this photo.
If we can pull it up from nationalfall.com, that'd be great.
dan friesen
Oh, look at his face.
Look at that look on his face.
jordan holmes
I want more than face looks.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is more, I need more than face looks.
dan friesen
Yeah, or demonstrate in some way that Bill Gates is behind lawsuits against you.
Was Bill Gates, did he buy you sake?
Yes, he did.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Absolutely.
unidentified
What the fuck?
jordan holmes
I miss Soros.
I miss Soros.
dan friesen
Soros is still in the mix somewhere.
jordan holmes
He's still in the mix somewhere, but I'm not hearing about Soros anymore.
dan friesen
Soros works with Gates.
jordan holmes
I'm getting too much Gates.
dan friesen
Soros and Gates.
jordan holmes
I'm getting too much Gates.
Gates sucks too.
I like Soros being the bad guy because he actually seems to be a fairly good guy.
Whereas Gates kind of sucks.
dan friesen
Soros is more relevant to the Antifa narratives that Alex has.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
Because of the contract.
Sure, the fake contracts that Alex found on 4chan.
jordan holmes
Totally real contracts.
dan friesen
So because of that, I think that certainly Antifa isn't getting in the mix while there's a quarantine going on.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Because they really only...
Appear whenever there's right-wing demonstrations to counter-demonstrate.
jordan holmes
And not the Falun Gong pho.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
The regular old pho.
dan friesen
So Patrick jumps in, and man, look, I gotta be honest, I don't like this guy, but what you gotta give up to him, I mean, you gotta tip your hat to the fact that he's good at saying he has sources.
alex jones
What the hell's going on here?
patrick howley
Well, Alex, thank you for having me.
I have been briefed by insiders about what's really going on here, and what's really going on is a proxy war that's playing out between President Donald Trump and Bill Gates.
And I'm sorry to have to report to the President that Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx are stooges for Bill Gates.
They are part of his confederacy of dunces.
jordan holmes
I am shocked!
patrick howley
They're trying to carry out the sinister agenda upon the world.
dan friesen
So, like I said, he's good at saying he has a source.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
He's talked to insiders.
jordan holmes
It took one sentence for me to agree with you.
He has the most annoying speech pattern.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's rough.
It is really rough listening to this dude.
jordan holmes
That is bothersome.
dan friesen
If he was talking about something that I was interested in, I would still think, you are really angry.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a tone to his voice that is just like, dude, calm down.
You are so mad.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would love to hear analysis from other people about the Firefly Funhouse match.
unidentified
Sure!
dan friesen
And if Patrick Hawley was talking about it, I would not want to listen.
jordan holmes
I have no interest.
dan friesen
I would be like, you're so mad.
Even if he was talking about how good a match it was.
Still, mm-mm.
So anyway, he's very dumb.
And he's on the chloroquine narrative tip.
jordan holmes
Really can't believe we're still doing this.
dan friesen
Yep, we still are.
And it's going to get worse.
patrick howley
Of course.
Now, Bill Gates says these vaccines might not come out for another 18 months, by which point the American economy is going to be toast, by which point we're going to be hauling dead bodies through the streets.
This is the agenda.
And you know what?
President Donald Trump threw a wrench into all of this because he discovered hydroxychloroquine.
a very cheap anti-malarial drug that has been around for years.
And now we have people fighting hydroxychloroquine.
How prescient that today on Fox News, on the quizling Chris Wallace's show, he had the nerve to have Bill Gates on and also the governor of Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer, who tried to shut down chloroquine in her state.
She restricted it, just like Andrew Cuomo.
And I'd like to know if Andrew Cuomo's brother, Chris Cuomo, who says he's having hallucinations, I don't know how that's any different than his usual content on CNN.
I don't know if he's on chloroquine.
What kind of drugs are the elites getting that the people are not getting?
dan friesen
Is that an adrenochrome reference, bro?
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Jesus.
These people.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is a little lame.
jordan holmes
Just line up.
Just line up to die.
You guys are insane.
dan friesen
I just feel like there's such a rank misunderstanding among these folks of people who are saying like...
You gotta be careful when you're talking about something like a medication.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They take that to be like you're opposed to it.
Like, if there were actual good human trials that had been done that showed that hydroxychloroquine was effective, I don't think that anyone would be against it.
jordan holmes
We'd be like, fuck yes!
Thank you!
dan friesen
And no one is saying like, hey...
Cut it out.
They're saying, reel it in.
Reel it in.
You can get people hurt with talk like this.
We've already seen at least one documented death from people taking this advice.
And the possibility of a lot more does exist.
That's why you have to be careful with those things.
That's not being anti-chloroquine or whatever.
It's such a stupid black and white way of looking at things.
jordan holmes
It is interesting.
If we accept the hypothesis that Alex knows he's lying about this, then it is hard to take his opening statements of, everybody's fucking stupid and cheap, and I guess maybe they do need to get rid of as being anything other than him talking about his friends.
dan friesen
Well, we know he complains about his friends a lot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
And his listeners are like, if you believe what Alex is saying, then Alex is talking about you.
dan friesen
Might be.
So anyway, Fauci...
You know, he's coming out here and he's saying that chloroquine's the devil, basically.
jordan holmes
That is not what he said.
dan friesen
Well, but it turns out he used to be into chloroquine back when Obama liked it.
jordan holmes
Back in the 60s?
dan friesen
Back when Obama liked it.
jordan holmes
Was it like LSD?
patrick howley
And he loved chloroquine when Obama was president.
He had a MERS coronavirus outbreak.
But now, all of a sudden, he doesn't like it so much.
He's pushing a nationwide stay-at-home order.
And I refuse, Alex, as a longtime listener of you and as a reporter, to watch our freedom get taken away and tyranny imposed on us by this little Napoleon complex man and the dark lady, Deborah Birx, who was appointed by Obama.
jordan holmes
You're a shitty lineup.
alex jones
For radio listeners who are putting all this on screen.
Fauci got a $100 million grant a few years ago.
They worked together very closely in eugenics.
They're carrying this out.
Fauci was involved the whole age.
dan friesen
So, Anthony Fauci's history as it relates to the HIV crisis is simultaneously a complicated one and a not-so-complicated one.
According to many of the HIV activists who worked with him back then, Fauci was initially exactly the sort of government bureaucrat kind of guy that you might expect.
But he was receptive.
He listened, and eventually he became an important ally in that public health crisis.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a recipe for getting killed by the right wing in 2020.
dan friesen
An article on The Body Pro discusses how, quote, He dramatically loosened HIV drug clinical trial requirements so that a far greater number of desperate patients could try new compounds, an approach called parallel tracking.
He expanded research on HIV AIDS and its treatment in underrepresented women and or people of color and gave activists and people living with HIV seats at the table of the planning committee of the AIDS clinical trials group.
The article quotes Jim Igo, who was an activist with ACT UP, who said, quote, Fauci was a sparring partner with us, then a friend.
They also quote Ann Northrup, another ACT UP activist.
Quote, I would say that at the beginning of his encounters with us, he was a pretty typical bureaucrat, making excuses for the slow pace of drug investigations and approval.
I still give him credit for turning into someone who listened more to the activist point of view and eventually became more of an ally.
There are definitely plenty of criticisms that can be made of his and any government entities handling of the HIV crisis in the 80s and 90s, but it's a little much to say that Fauci was involved in this cover-up or something.
And that's especially rich coming from Alex, who constantly has John Rappaport on his show as a medical expert, considering that Rappaport is an HIV denialist who sells DVDs of his lectures on the subject, despite a complete lack of medical qualifications.
As for the question of chloroquine and Merce, that's a completely different matter than what we're dealing with today.
For one, what Patrick is probably referring to is an article in NBC News from May 20, 2014, titled, quote, Merce Cure?
Lots of drugs might fight virus, study finds.
Chloroquine was one of the drugs that were included in that lots of drugs.
And here's what Anthony Fauci said back then.
Quote, it's a good start.
You try to stay ahead of the game.
There's a host of things we're doing.
Hopefully we will never have to use any of them.
I would need Patrick to provide stronger evidence than this to back up his claim that Fauci was all about chloroquine back when Obama was president, but now he's against it because Trump likes it.
And also, what does Patrick mean when he says that Deborah Birx was appointed by Obama?
True, she was made the U.S. Global AIDS Coordinator by Obama in 2014, but that wasn't her first position in government.
She was the director of the CDC's Division of Global HIV and AIDS since 2005, which predates Obama's presidency, and she was working at the NIH since 1986.
jordan holmes
Obama became a senator in 2004.
He probably appointed her back then.
dan friesen
She was at the NIH since 1986.
jordan holmes
Done.
He became a community organizer in 1986, so he appointed her then.
unidentified
Done.
dan friesen
He was anointed from birth to be president, so he was maneuvering people at the NIH.
jordan holmes
Wait, was she born in Kenya too, Dan?
dan friesen
Maybe.
I haven't seen her long before.
So sure.
She was appointed to a position by Obama, but it means nothing in this stupid conspiracy that he's going on.
So whatever.
jordan holmes
It's easy whenever your head guy, whom you love so much, your dear leader, has never held a position in government for you to convince your listeners that nobody else has either.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Or that everybody who you don't like in the moment, their history starts when Obama did something.
It's like, that's not quite accurate.
They were public servants for decades.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine somebody wanting to be a public servant to serve the public, Dan.
That sounds crazy.
That sounds absolutely insane.
I'm going to assume that she's a globalist out to kill us all.
dan friesen
Probably.
Anyway, in this next clip, there is this weird obsession that I see on Alex's show, and I don't think we make enough of a point of it.
And that is that Alex's only real argument that he has about how Trump was handling this correctly.
I mean, it used to be that Trump secretly declared an emergency a month ago.
jordan holmes
Right, but he didn't actually do that.
dan friesen
No, and Alex has stopped saying that.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But the only thing that's really consistent in terms of evidence that Trump was on the ball, he was taking care of business, TCB.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He was like Bachman-Turner overdrive out there.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The only example he has is that Trump tried to block flights from China.
jordan holmes
Hey, he did it.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
He did it.
He could have saved us.
dan friesen
That's the only thing.
jordan holmes
He could have saved us.
unidentified
Yep.
alex jones
They have early on tried to blame Trump for this, even though Trump's one that blocked the Chinese flights.
Now the new talk is, you know, he acted late.
It's his fault, and he wants to open the country.
You know, he's a bad guy.
They say it'll peak at like 2,000, 3,000 dying a day.
jordan holmes
He's been a bad guy.
Now he's a murderer.
alex jones
Anybody that's positive for the common cold is corona.
Just not COVID-19.
So they're actually adding in everyone that has antibodies for the common cold who's dying in America to the list.
It's incredible.
patrick howley
Well, that's right, Alex.
dan friesen
So, Patrick agreeing with that is disqualifying.
That is, like, Alex just rambled through a load of nonsense.
jordan holmes
Bullshit.
dan friesen
I understand him agreeing with the narrative that Trump tried to block these flights and therefore he did everything he was supposed to do.
jordan holmes
Everything he's supposed to do.
dan friesen
Which is nonsense.
jordan holmes
It's not like there was a CDC directive that literally laid out the plans for what needed to be done in this situation and he ignored it.
That would be crazy.
dan friesen
Right, right.
There is a ton of breakdown you could do on that front.
But Alex does have a xenophobic position just as a sort of...
The center, his core.
And so the idea that he tried to stop travel is like, that's all you need to do.
Which is silly.
jordan holmes
He tried to stop that caravan.
Now he tried to stop flights.
Dems hate him.
dan friesen
Obviously, I think in the episode where we talked about Alex's response to the Ebola stuff, we talked about how these travel restrictions don't really work.
They can slow things down a little bit, but they don't really work.
Because if you have these cases that are identified in China, you shut off travel from China, some of these cases might already be outside of China.
So you could have someone from Russia, neighboring country or whatever, who comes over.
You don't have a travel restriction there.
It can still get in.
There might be some slowing down of progression that you can do, and maybe there's some value to that, but the consequences of it are...
Or maybe make things even worse.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's a complicated picture, but it's the only thing Alex cares about.
But I understand the idea that Patrick would agree with that.
The fact that he's just like, yeah, when Alex is saying that anybody who tests positive for antibodies to the cold, any kind of coronavirus, is being called COVID-19.
Exactly.
He doesn't have anything to base that on.
He gives no citation, no evidence of that at all.
I don't see any reason to think that he's not just making that up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because he's probably making it up.
dan friesen
Yeah, and Patrick's like, yeah, I'm a fucking anti-communist propaganda yes and guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
That sounds just as reasonable as the bullshit I was about to say, so why not agree with you now and skip that part?
dan friesen
Now, Patrick might be about to swing you.
jordan holmes
I doubt it.
dan friesen
Because he's going to talk some shit on Joe Biden.
jordan holmes
Okay!
I still doubt it!
dan friesen
To be fair, this is an instance where Joe Biden's being done dirty.
jordan holmes
Of course he is!
Because all the legitimate criticisms that you have of Biden are almost equally applicable to your guys.
We've got to make up some bullshit.
dan friesen
Well, this one is also from 2005.
jordan holmes
Because Obama appointed him vice president in 2005, right?
dan friesen
Yes.
Let's go ahead and say that.
It has to do with the John Roberts confirmation hearings.
patrick howley
Joe Biden, the very guy who in 2005 asked John Roberts in the Supreme Court confirmation hearing, can a microscopic tag be implanted in a person's body to track his every movement?
There's actual discussion about that.
Now, I haven't seen anything in the King James Bible about vaccines, but I have seen something about the Mark of the Beast.
And I know that these people are drawing us into something very sinister here.
dan friesen
This guy is an angry kid, man.
It's awful.
jordan holmes
I've never been checkmated more than I haven't seen anything in the Bible about vaccines.
dan friesen
So this is really fun.
All these dumb, dumb conspiracy theorists like to trot out this quote from Joe Biden during the John Roberts confirmation to claim that Biden wants to microchip everyone and bring us into the mark of the beast or whatever.
This quote that they always use, as Patrick did in a recent post on National File, is, quote, we'll be faced with equally consequential decisions of the 21st century.
Can a microscopic tag be implanted in a person's body to track his every movement?
There's actual discussion about that.
You will rule on that.
Mark my words before your tenure is over.
Can brain scans be used to determine whether a person's inclined for criminality or violent behavior?
You will rule on that.
This sort of quote is one that is begging for surrounding context.
Why don't we take a look and listen to what Biden was actually saying?
jordan holmes
No, we don't have recordings from 2005, Dan.
That's too far in the past.
There's no way that we could...
dan friesen
I actually...
One of my magical powers is I go back in time.
jordan holmes
The way back?
unidentified
Yeah.
Like the founders, I believe our Constitution is as big and as grand and as great as its people.
Our constitutional journey did not stop with women being barred from being lawyers, with ten-year-olds working in coal mines, or black kids forced into different schools than white kids.
Just because the Constitution, in the Constitution, nowhere does it mention sex discrimination, child labor, segregation.
It doesn't mention it.
Our constitutional journey did not stop then, and it must not stop now, Judge, and we'll be faced with equally consequential decisions in the 21st century.
Can a microscopic tag be implanted in a person's body to track his every movement?
There's actual discussion about that.
You will rule on that.
Mark my words before your tenure is over.
Can brain scans be used to determine whether a person is inclined toward criminality or violent behavior?
You will rule on that.
And judge, I need to know whether you will be a justice who believes that the constitutional journey must continue to speak to these consequential decisions, or that we've gone far enough from protecting against government intrusion into our autonomy, into the most personal decisions we make.
Judge, that's why this is a critical moment.
Whoops!
dan friesen
Biden was actually bringing this possibility up as an example of something he wanted to take Roberts' temperature on because he thought it would be government intrusion into our autonomy.
unidentified
Whoops!
dan friesen
Biden was actually saying he wanted to be comfortable that Roberts was against that before confirming him.
Whoops!
Patrick Hawley knows good and goddamn well that the next thing Biden says in that confirmation hearing is that.
He knows that.
But he pretends he doesn't because it invalidates the narrative he's trying to build with that out-of-context quote.
This is what liars do.
jordan holmes
That's such bull...
For as much as I hate Biden, if James O 'Keefe came out with a video professing to show anything, I'd be like, go fuck yourself!
I don't give a shit what you lying pieces of shit have to say!
dan friesen
Well, it's one of those things that you shouldn't...
I mean, you can almost always make that assumption, and you'll almost always be right.
But, you know, erring too much on the side of I assume you're wrong, therefore I won't take anything you say as being plausible.
Can be just as destructive of a view.
Now, granted, from my experience of constantly looking into all of these things over and over again, I will say that almost never is something above board that's put out by almost anybody who's an associate of Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I will give them 1% of the benefit of the doubt.
That's a little bit of a high bar to cross for me to give a shit, though.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The thing is that, like, that quote...
You can use it, and you do.
Someone like Patrick does.
But the reality is, he knows.
Unless he just read it on some website, completely devoid of context, and he didn't look into it, he has to have watched this.
He has to have seen it.
I don't believe that he wouldn't be like, wait, what does that mean?
What is he trying to say?
And if he's not, then he's not a curious person.
jordan holmes
He is not.
dan friesen
That means, like, I don't know, maybe you shouldn't be in the line you're in.
jordan holmes
You would think.
dan friesen
You shouldn't be in a position where you're conveying information to people if you are not curious about what that information means in its appropriate context.
jordan holmes
He is not at all interested in that, and his job is not to convey information.
His job is to spread propaganda.
He is in the perfect line of work, Dan.
alex jones
You may be right.
dan friesen
So also, Patrick is against immigration quite a bit.
jordan holmes
Can't imagine.
dan friesen
He doesn't like the idea that governments giving money to bail out these businesses has something to do with immigration.
He wants these businesses to fail.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Something to do with punishing...
This is weird.
This is a weird quote.
jordan holmes
All right, I'll take this.
patrick howley
We are bending over backward to serve globalist corporations who will leave us in two seconds when the mass immigration policies that they lobby for give us a permanent Democrat socialist majority.
We have no reason to cater to these people or bail them out with our money.
Let them fail.
That's the free market.
alex jones
That's right.
Let's go further.
They know by giving China one-sided trade deals and building it up.
Trump was ending that, bringing industry back.
They make almost all our drugs.
So now China has the virus, shuts down a few weeks, opens back up.
We're shut down for supposedly years.
China wins the trade war where the globalists have all invested.
So this is admittedly a globalist operation.
dan friesen
Admittedly.
I don't know how it's admittedly a globalist operation.
I don't even think any of those things you're saying are accurate.
Now, the thing that I think is really interesting about this is Patrick Hawley is clearly furious at these companies for encouraging immigration because he believes it will lead to a democratic socialist voting bloc.
jordan holmes
As most corporations want.
dan friesen
Sure.
So that's weird.
And in response to that, he says, fuck it, let them fail.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, in the climate that we're dealing with right now, The reason that a lot of these businesses will fail is because businesses have to be closed.
Because they're unessential businesses.
So when he's talking about this, that's clearly what is trying to be mitigated by these government efforts.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you would think that doing a good thing would be recognized as a good thing.
dan friesen
What do you mean?
I'm not sure I follow.
jordan holmes
Trying to keep these small businesses from closing.
dan friesen
Well, he's not talking about small businesses.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's not talking about small businesses.
dan friesen
He's talking about these big government, or not government, these big global...
jordan holmes
Air cartels, like that kind of, like the cruise line industry.
Yeah!
Fuck them!
dan friesen
I don't know.
Anyway, the distinction is very weird because he wants these businesses to fail as some sort of a punishment because they encourage immigration in his mind.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But simultaneously...
He also wants people to go back to work.
patrick howley
President Donald Trump is trying to scale this back and thank God that we have a Republican in there who's looking at the stock market numbers saying, we need to get back to work.
We are going to race against the clock to try to get treatment here.
If we had a Democrat in there...
This could very well be the one.
And we all know what we're talking about.
The one.
We've been wondering, is it going to be a fake alien invasion?
Are they going to bring out some kind of fast-moving cylindrical disk that they've used Hollywood to predictive program us to think it's an alien invasion and we have to cast off nationhood and form a one-world government if the aliens are going to embrace us?
Is it going to be climate change, this hoax that Greta Thunberg is pushing?
dan friesen
This guy gets it.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Man, go to bed.
Jesus, go away.
dan friesen
So on the one hand, he wants all these big businesses to fail.
And then on the other hand, he's worried that the stock market is going down.
So people got to go back to work.
This just seems incongruous.
And these are things that are said within like a minute of each other.
We need Trump to save these big businesses on the stock market by making people go back to work and risk to their own personal safety and each other's safety.
But also, fuck these big businesses.
They should go out of business because I hate immigration.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I don't get it.
jordan holmes
This makes perfect sense.
There's nobody that I want to support more than somebody who looks at hundreds of thousands of people dying across the world and thinks, thank God we have a Republican president who's willing to look at the stock numbers.
That's what I want.
That's who I support, you know?
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That line on that graph is...
Gotta, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Money's real, Dan.
Did you know that?
dan friesen
You know what I like to do is I like to take the stock market, right?
I take a stock's price on the x-axis.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Then on the y-axis, number of chickens affected.
Snicking issues.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Patrick Hawley is gone and good riddance.
Boy, I do not look forward to his next appearance on the show.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That voice is tough.
jordan holmes
I don't look forward to his continuing to speak ever.
dan friesen
Even if he was interesting in the same way that someone like Leo Zagami is or something, I still would have a real tough time sitting through it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
unidentified
Even if he was admitting to 9-11, I wouldn't like it.
jordan holmes
He's a shittier Lionel.
He's a really shitty version of Lionel.
dan friesen
Yeah, Lionel's voice is super annoying.
I did get a lot of feedback from listeners about that.
Like, too much Lionel.
jordan holmes
I can't handle that voice.
It is annoying.
It's so annoying.
But, I mean, it's better than that fucker.
dan friesen
So, Alex Tease is his next guest in this next clip.
alex jones
Folks, we're going to start the second hour.
And if you thought this was big news this hour, we've got good news next hour.
unidentified
I didn't.
alex jones
You think that hydroxychloroquine that we've been talking about for eight, nine weeks is good?
Turns out there's something even better.
And I did a bunch of research, talked to a bunch of medical doctors and a lot of stuff where I'm going to tell you about this.
dan friesen
Medical doctors.
alex jones
I'm selling it, by the way.
jordan holmes
Medical.
alex jones
And I almost don't want to announce this until I go out and get it for myself.
It's amazing.
Mike Adams is going to be on with us to talk about this coming up.
What I am selling is just good, natural things you know are good for yourself.
We have a great multivitamin, the real red pill.
I'm giving it 50% off right now.
You know it's going to sell out very, very soon because it's got zinc.
jordan holmes
You know it's got zinc, Dan.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Now, I'm not saying that zinc does anything.
I'm not connecting zinc to any...
dan friesen
I wouldn't want to do that.
jordan holmes
I'm just saying that it has zinc in it.
And perhaps on episodes prior, I have made it a point that zinc does good things.
dan friesen
Maybe you could use one of these things called a hypothetical syllogism and put together A equals B, B equals C, A equals C. Who knows?
Put it together on your own.
jordan holmes
The FTC is not smart enough to figure that out.
dan friesen
No.
And maybe that's not illegal.
unidentified
I don't fucking know.
dan friesen
It's a mess.
So one of the things I think is really funny there is Alex is like, I don't know if I want to bring this information that I am presenting as really important health information to you because I know that I'm going to cause a run on a product and I want to make sure I have some myself.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Very weird, very strange.
jordan holmes
No, that's an altruistic person right there, Dan.
I will tell you about the cure as soon as I already have it.
dan friesen
Have a bunch of it.
jordan holmes
As soon as I have already hoarded the cure for this disease, you will know.
dan friesen
Now, the second thing is, I was listening to that and I was like...
I know that myself, I've been a fan of shows in the past.
And I know that when a certain guest is on that show, like a podcast, I'm going to be like, this is going to be good.
jordan holmes
Andy Daly shows up on almost anything.
dan friesen
That's going to be like, oh shit, Daly's here.
jordan holmes
I'm in.
dan friesen
Exactly like that.
I wonder if there are people who listen to Alex Jones and he's like...
We got Mike Adams coming up, and they're like, holy shit.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna get the good info right now.
dan friesen
Shit's getting real.
jordan holmes
Two million dead, 90,000 dead, zero dead, everybody dead.
I don't know day to day!
dan friesen
I wonder if there is a community of people who legitimately view his recurring guests as...
Like, the same way we look at, like, an Andy Daly or Mike Schmidt on Never Not Funny or something.
jordan holmes
I just can't believe it, but there have to be, right?
There has to be something like that.
That's disgusting.
That's really sad to think about.
dan friesen
Yeah, that bummed me out a bit.
jordan holmes
That's a real bummer.
Thanks, Dan.
unidentified
That's the reverse of my bright spot.
dan friesen
So, Alex goes to break.
He's teased that Mike Adams is coming up.
He's not here yet, but he does have another guest.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And that is a big old gun on his desk.
alex jones
We're a TV viewer.
You notice that I have a very nice H&K German firearm right here.
jordan holmes
The rented tank of guns, they call it.
alex jones
It's the gold standard still of a 9mm submachine gun.
I love these.
And I've got a lot of 9mm submachine guns.
I guess I've got five of them, six of them.
jordan holmes
For hunting.
alex jones
Five, five, six, you know, smaller rifles and things.
And I've got.308 and I've got...
.338 Lapua, and I got.50 cals, and I got it all.
But this is probably my favorite gun.
jordan holmes
For hunting.
alex jones
I can hit bullseye pretty much all the time at 50 to 100 yards without even trying with this.
Without a magnified scope.
jordan holmes
When hunting.
alex jones
It's amazing.
But, you know, I use this for defense.
I can still carry it, but this is what I've got in my car.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
And it's because it's super accurate.
For not just offending myself, but if I see bank robbers or people robbing somebody, I can shoot them right in the eye.
dan friesen
If I see bank robbers.
jordan holmes
If I see bank robbers.
unidentified
That situation we're all very often in.
dan friesen
If I'm driving around with my rifle in the car and I see some bank robbers.
jordan holmes
Oh, gotta get out of the car.
It's time to stop a bank robber.
unidentified
If I see some motherfucker looking like a Hamburglar running into the First National, I got a rifle.
jordan holmes
If I hear about what the Dalton gang is up to, I'm gonna be there, buddy.
dan friesen
I love it.
I love it.
I guarantee he's never used that gun in any, first of all, not for a bank robbery, but second, for not any similar situation.
I don't want to be a dick and be like, eh, you know, whatever.
Having a gun for protection and stuff like that isn't categorically a bad thing, but the way Alex is presenting this is ludicrous and so funny.
jordan holmes
That's how his brain works.
dan friesen
He imagines he's going to run into a bank robbery.
jordan holmes
Of course he does.
He keeps it in his car just in case a bank robbery breaks out.
dan friesen
Also, he hates banks.
Why would he stop a bank robbery?
jordan holmes
Because it's the right thing to do, Dan.
dan friesen
All of them are FDIC insured.
They're mixed up with the Fed.
He doesn't give a shit.
I feel like from his principles, he should be more likely to use that rifle in a bank robbery.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
That is such that...
Mark Wahlberg being like, man, if I was on that plane, I would have stopped 9-11.
Just like, who are you people?
dan friesen
Fucking stop.
Misguided heroic masculinity is such a fascinating, fun thing.
jordan holmes
Just go home.
dan friesen
Just go away.
So Alex gets into, in this next clip, talking about why is the gun on the desk?
Beyond the fact that he loves guns and he likes to show them.
alex jones
Sure.
The reason I have the gun out here is...
A gun I know can defend me.
And if a vaccine can be proven to be safe and effective, which they lie about, then I would take it as well.
And I'd shoot it.
But when they inject little kids and others with these vaccines and they have secret vaccine damage funds, that's admitted that they exist.
Billions a year paid out.
And then they tell you nobody ever got hurt by a vaccine.
They're damn liars.
It's like saying nobody died in a car wreck.
So that's like shooting a little kid.
jordan holmes
It's like saying nobody died at Sandy Hook.
alex jones
It's a weapon.
dan friesen
So Alex is making a completely incoherent argument here.
If you track his logic, it breaks down like this.
He loves this gun because it gives protection, but it can also be used to hurt.
In the same way, Alex would love vaccines if they gave protection, except they're being used to hurt.
The proof that vaccines are bad is that, quote, they lie about them being safe, which I don't know what he means by that.
In my experience, the lies about vaccine safety that I've encountered have almost entirely come from Alex's side.
Doctors and public health experts don't say that vaccines or any medication are totally safe.
They generally are pretty clear that almost everything comes with potential side effects, but that the incidence of those side effects are almost negligible compared to the benefit derived from vaccines.
Also, Alex and his friends constantly lie about various side effects that they imagine from vaccines.
The vaccine courts are not secret.
Outside of people's identity being kept private because that's confidential medical information that can't be released without invading patients' privacy.
We've talked about it a bunch in the past, but these payments are made not because the courts definitively prove that negative experiences possibly related to vaccines were caused by vaccines, but because if the system were set up in any other way, medical progress would be completely stalled and these people would end up losing almost all of these cases in normal courts.
The burden of proof is actually way, way lower in these vaccine damage courts than they would be in any other venue, mostly because very few of these people could ever make their case in an actual court.
Now, comparing this to the situation with people being shot by guns is interesting, because the folks that receive coverage by these vaccine courts, who are protected by them to an extent, are the vaccine manufacturers.
They have a certain amount of liability protection that the state assumes because of the gigantic public health benefit they provide, which would be stopped by having to deal with frivolous or just iffy court cases all the time.
But gun manufacturers are even more protected.
You really can't sue a gun manufacturer if one of their products is used in a murder of one of your loved ones.
The Supreme Court decided in November 2019 that Sandy Hook families could attempt to sue Remington, which is something to watch, but historically, that's not been something that's worked out, because how someone uses a product isn't the responsibility of the product's maker, generally speaking.
Alex understands that concept as it relates to guns perfectly well, and he yells about it all the time.
At the end there, he says that giving a kid a vaccine is like shooting them with an MP5, which it's not, but let's imagine that it were.
In the case of the kid being shot with an MP5, Alex would scream bloody murder if someone tried to sue the gun manufacturer, or the NRA for promoting guns, or anybody except the person who did the shooting themselves.
But in the case of vaccines, he wants to put the entire system on trial, as opposed to just the doctor who administered the shot, which seems weird.
To be clear, I think all of this is stupid, but I only bring any of this up because Alex is trying to use a metaphor that absolutely does not work, given his belief set.
Unless he's willing to accept that gun manufacturers should be opened up to liability for damage done by their product, it doesn't make any sense for him to be advocating that kind of thing for vaccine manufacturers.
If you want to talk about someone who's hurt by malpractice that involves a vaccine, that might be the same as accidentally shooting somebody.
But the metaphor doesn't hold.
jordan holmes
Well, if it was an immigrant who accidentally...
Did some malpractice, then Alex would never, ever, ever, ever shut the fuck up.
dan friesen
Certainly, that would become a years-long running thing.
jordan holmes
See, immigrants are the ones who created vaccines!
dan friesen
Yeah, there's an intrinsic problem with the way he's relating to this.
And the only reason I think it's actually interesting at all is because he went out of his way to put a gun on his desk in order to make this metaphor that's poorly thought out and contradictory to what he believes.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So cool.
jordan holmes
That's a good summation of Alex's show.
I've got a gun out here to make a point that doesn't make sense and actually goes actively against my stated principles.
Guns.
dan friesen
Love them.
That's what it's all about.
So now, Alex teased that Mike Adams was going to be on to talk about this new miracle cure.
jordan holmes
Has Alex already gotten a ton?
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Has he already gotten a bunch of the miracle cure yet?
dan friesen
I mean, in the last 15 minutes?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe even less than that.
No, it's probably a couple minutes.
No.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
Well, then I can't believe it.
dan friesen
But it doesn't matter because Mike has already put an article out on Natural News about this.
So, like, the word is out.
jordan holmes
So his new cure is more Ebola?
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
Oh.
dan friesen
No.
This is actually, like, closer to, like, in terms of, like, the really irresponsible stuff they do.
The kernel of reality here is closer to, like, this is in the public's interest to, like, maybe discuss a little bit.
Now, the way they discuss it is terrible.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But we'll get to that.
Here, Alex intros Mike to get into the topic of the day.
alex jones
This is a big story at naturalnews.com.
It's also at infowars.com and newswars.com.
Please spread it.
Whatever you do.
We're in an information war about fighting for lives.
This is what we do.
Shingle dose of common...
unidentified
Easy!
alex jones
Agricultural drug found to essentially eliminate all viral material of COVID-19 within 48 hours.
So going into this right now is Mike Adams.
This is really exciting news, Mike.
mike adams
It's really great news.
Thanks for having me on, Alex.
And I want to be clear, I think the fastest way to defeat the globalists is to defeat the coronavirus.
Because if they can keep this thing circulating, then they can eventually push for mandatory vaccines.
The way we cut off their vaccine agenda is to beat this thing without even taking much time at all.
We can beat it, I believe, with these kinds of off-label prescription drugs, or off-patent prescription drugs.
dan friesen
So what we have here, what they're promoting is this thing called ivermectin is the name of the drug.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so what you got here, there was a study that came out recently in the journal Antiviral Research.
It was released on April 2nd.
It was reporting on some research that was done about the antiparasitic medication ivermectin and its possible effect on the coronavirus.
Their findings taken simply show that ivermectin could decrease the viral load approximately 99.98% in 48 hours, which sounds pretty exciting.
But it's important to recognize that this is not conclusive and that there are caveats.
The first is that this study was done on human cells outside the body, or what's known as in vitro.
So to take these findings and just assume that they depict exactly how the body would react to the drug if you took it is pretty reckless.
It indicates a little bit of a lack of understanding about how the body works, which is what these dudes are about to engage in wholesale.
You can get one result in isolated cells outside the body, but these cells, when inside a human body, don't exist the same way they do in a petri dish.
They're components of a larger system that has complicated inputs and variables that could completely change the results of any in vitro study you might do.
Now, this isn't to say that this test or this sort of thing is worthless, but that the results of a test like this are things that should be taken as a stepping stone.
It's a sign of a possibility, but not something that's proven.
Whatever the effect that this ivermectin has on these human cells could be undone by some biological process within the body when these cells aren't isolated.
You don't know.
It's interesting.
It's compelling.
It almost demands further study, but it is not something that you can say gets rid of 98.98% of...
Coronavirus taken by people or whatever.
That's where you get into trouble.
jordan holmes
You just blew my mind.
So you're telling me that human cells outside of the body can react differently than human cells inside of the body?
That's fucking crazy.
I just found out that you can transmit a disease when you don't have symptoms, Dan.
I take all of my scientific advice from Georgia governors.
That's what I do here.
dan friesen
They might not even know about the other one.
jordan holmes
So you just blew my mind.
dan friesen
So it is, like what I was saying, this is interesting, and it's not something in the same vein as the chloroquine, because those studies were pretty flawed.
And from what I can tell, as far as I know, I don't know this, because I certainly would be in no position to know this.
But from what it said on the website of this journal, this antiviral research journal, this is peer-reviewed.
So it's not like...
jordan holmes
This is an incredibly promising study that shows real signs of possibility.
However, that doesn't mean anything yet.
dan friesen
Incredibly promising is putting it too strongly.
jordan holmes
Okay.
This is a promising study.
Yes.
unidentified
There we go.
dan friesen
Yeah, there is some potential here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's great.
That doesn't mean anything yet.
dan friesen
But that's even reflected in the study itself, which concludes, quote, altogether, the current report, combined with known safety profiles, demonstrates that ivermectin is worthy of further consideration as a possible SARS coronavirus 2 antiviral.
The study shows that more research should be done, and not that this should be promoted as a cure.
What Alex and Mike are doing and getting ready to do is deeply irresponsible.
They just jump from one unproven miracle cure to another because they can't do anything else.
Their worldview and narratives have no depth to them, so they just have to keep moving and keep crafting elaborate and exciting things to distract their audience from realizing they're full of shit.
And also, another element to it is I think that they have to do stuff like this because the alternative is the stuff that Alex was doing on the last episode that ended up getting into...
Cause for war with China.
If you pursue that path too far, you're going to get tons of people killed through street violence against Chinese Americans.
You have to do something like this to make it so the focus isn't all on saber rattling.
And that's sad, because there's another way to do this, which is do neither.
jordan holmes
You can get away with...
Influencing a lot of deaths slowly over time by a disease easier than you can get away with calling for war.
dan friesen
Probably.
Although, hold that thought until the end of this episode.
jordan holmes
We'll see.
dan friesen
Because we might also be at war.
jordan holmes
Hey, what are you going to do?
Hey, what are you going to do?
dan friesen
It's a mess.
These dudes are really taking this study in antiviral research and going too hard with it.
They're doing too much.
mike adams
This story is about ivermectin, which is an agricultural drug.
You can buy it here in Texas.
You can buy it at tractor supply retail stores.
jordan holmes
Sounds a little bit like a publisher, too.
mike adams
Every cattle rancher has this.
It's a deworming drug, and it's available over-the-counter.
It's very inexpensive.
alex jones
By the way, when you told me this, I remembered a large animal that I worked for that did major in vitro fertilization.
jordan holmes
A large animal you worked for?
alex jones
On for five years.
Jess Adkins.
I remember him saying...
Oh, you're getting sick?
Take dewormer.
I remember him drinking dewormer 30 years ago, bro.
mike adams
Yeah.
dan friesen
We miss him.
jordan holmes
30 years ago, bro.
unidentified
Bro, I've been drinking ivermectin for 30 years, bro.
jordan holmes
Bro, I'm not going to fuck around.
dan friesen
He can't be reached to guest on this episode because he died of dewormer toxicity.
jordan holmes
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
So, to be clear, this is a medication that is mostly a veterinary medication.
There is a human version, but it's called stromectol.
That is a prescription drug for humans.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
What Mike is doing is advocating that people take animal medicine.
Really take a step back and let that soak in.
The health ranger is promoting animal medications as a cure for the coronavirus based on a very much inconclusive study he doesn't understand.
That's staggering stuff.
Take it outside of the prism of we're in this world so we have So much jadedness to the...
jordan holmes
Oh, it's brutal.
dan friesen
You write that down on a piece of paper and you give it to somebody to read who doesn't know about who these people are.
That's bleak.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like a TV plot.
No, no, no.
Like the guy who's just been in a firefight.
And he's running away from the cops and he knows he can't go to a real hospital so he has to go to his veterinary friend who still knows how to sew people up and pull the bullet out and he's like, thanks man, I can only trust you.
Like, that's what we're living in.
dan friesen
I'm thinking more it's the sort of thing that Alex would judge someone in a third world or developing country for advocating.
These people take animal medicine!
jordan holmes
They don't even know a goddamn thing!
alex jones
They're not even taking people medicine!
dan friesen
Yeah, it seems like that kind of thing.
It's kind of tough to see that as you constantly are just inundated by this stuff.
But you take it outside of the context of it being Alex and Mike, and it's like, this is ludicrous.
jordan holmes
This is ridiculous.
Which means it'll be on Fox News tomorrow.
dan friesen
So hold on, though.
Mike wants to be very clear about this.
jordan holmes
Of course he does.
dan friesen
He is not recommending you take his medication.
mike adams
Just to be clear, we're not recommending this for human consumption at the moment.
alex jones
Let's be clear.
I'm just saying what I've witnessed.
jordan holmes
Yes, let's be clear.
mike adams
Absolutely.
Well, people do take it.
I've had people text me and say they took it, they ate it, you can buy it as a...
Hey, I just want to be legally clear.
jordan holmes
I want to be 100% legally clear.
I am not recommending you take this miracle drug that I am telling you cures the coronavirus.
dan friesen
Now, I should tell you that I know people who took the horse paste.
And it's apple-flavored, tastes bad, but hey, they love it.
They texted me.
But I am not saying people should take it.
jordan holmes
Legally clear.
dan friesen
It really feels like that's the main line they're trying to walk there, which is fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Mike gets into talking about this study a little bit, and I don't think that he engaged with it well.
mike adams
This has been published in Antiviral Research, which is a peer-reviewed science journal, and it's very clear.
The data show that this...
Can fight against simian virus, dengue fever, West Nile virus, Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus, influenza, and even a pseudorabies virus.
And this is available right now.
jordan holmes
I am not recommending you take it.
mike adams
Not for the coronavirus yet.
dan friesen
So this study doesn't show any of those things that Mike is claiming.
It references other studies that have indicated some promise for ivermectin as a broad-spectrum antiviral, but Mike is really overselling this thing.
Also, as it relates to dengue, the study literally says, quote, ivermectin was the focus of a recent phase 3 clinical trial in dengue patients in Thailand, in which a single daily dose was found to be safe, but not produce any clinical benefit.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
There may be something worthwhile here, but from the information that's available, this kind of talk from someone pretending to be a health ranger is fucking premature.
They are over-hyping this to an extent that's just deeply irresponsible.
jordan holmes
Listen, I am not going to...
I am saying...
That you should not take this drug.
dan friesen
Don't take the horse paste.
jordan holmes
That cures dengue fever.
That cures coronavirus.
Simeon virus.
That cures Ebola.
Why not?
That cures fucking polio twice over.
It double cures polio.
I'm not saying that you should take this.
dan friesen
Not rabies.
Pseudo rabies.
jordan holmes
Pseudo rabies.
I'm not recommending that you take that, frankly.
I think it would be irresponsible for somebody to say you should take this drug that cures all diseases!
dan friesen
Bing, bing, bing, bing, what's this?
Oh, a text from someone who took it and it is doing great.
jordan holmes
Oh, man, that's crazy.
That's crazy.
I'm not recommending you take it, but this person on my phone who definitely is real.
dan friesen
So Alex seems to think that what's going on is that the media doesn't like people taking things off-label.
Right?
Like, whatever the drug is, they don't like you using drugs for different purposes than X. I thought, like, everybody did that.
Sure.
I mean, drugs have different uses.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like, Welbutrin is an antidepressant, but it's also a smoking cessation drug.
jordan holmes
For sure, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
There's tons of things like that.
But the issue is, the thing that people are pushing back against isn't...
That, like, this is an off-label use.
It's that there isn't good science that shows that this is effective and it could hurt people.
So when the president comes out and says, why not?
jordan holmes
Hey!
dan friesen
It's not good.
jordan holmes
What do you got to lose, Dan?
And then the American medical editor is like, the living.
You have living to lose.
Don't do what the president says.
dan friesen
That's what people are responding to.
Not so much a vague concept of...
Yeah.
Off-label use.
Now, his complaint about this is dumb, but what makes it worse is then he goes on to name, him and Mike go on to name multiple drugs that are used for different things.
mike adams
This might work if the hydroxychloroquine doesn't work for a patient.
This is another avenue.
alex jones
By the way, the media acts like they don't want any hope that it's evil to have things off-label.
jordan holmes
They don't want hope.
alex jones
That's what always happens with some new disease.
It's almost always some old drug that's the answer.
mike adams
Well, the media has been promoting off-label use of all kinds of drugs for many, many, many years.
That's nothing new to them.
What are they changing their story now?
jordan holmes
You're doing it.
alex jones
That was for 30 years until the 90s.
That was a high blood pressure medicine.
Now they learned it grows hair.
mike adams
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
The little blue pills were first researched as a heart drug and found out it...
It gives men erections, so they changed the use there as well.
dan friesen
Yeah, but here's the thing.
Each of those cases that you're talking about didn't get changed just on a whim.
There were trials that were done.
jordan holmes
I remember in the 90s, Clinton specifically came out and he was like, I don't know, you guys want boners?
Give it a shot!
unidentified
Why not?
jordan holmes
What do you got to lose?
dan friesen
You want boners and hair?
Take these things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
What do you got to lose?
dan friesen
The difference is the process.
The process is very important because If we didn't have that process, there would be people taking all sorts of fucked up things that will kill you and don't actually work.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is what Mike...
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
Mike Ebola cure Adams wants you to do.
jordan holmes
Put a little Ebola in it!
Right.
dan friesen
That's really scary.
That level of thinking is really fucking scary.
jordan holmes
These people are dumb.
Do they not realize people are dumb?
dan friesen
Well, the reason that this is really scary is because those examples that they come up with that they're like, this is how it always works.
It's like, you're on...
Those things went through the process that the people you're mad at right now are...
That's their point.
Rogaine wouldn't be used to grow hair if there weren't people who were like, we've got to try it out.
unidentified
We've got to do all these tests.
dan friesen
It's just such stupid...
It's such bad thinking.
jordan holmes
No, they're children.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's terrifying.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
They're toddlers.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we have these now.
Bunch of treatments.
I mean, we've got hydrochloroquine.
We've got ivermectin.
We've got all these treatments.
So we don't need...
To listen to the man.
jordan holmes
I really don't think that's okay.
mike adams
This effect is that it blocks the replication of this virus.
This was tested against the coronavirus, the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which is what we have right now.
This just adds to our treasure chest of possible treatments that are available right now.
Alex, we don't have to be under lockdown.
dan friesen
We don't have to be under lockdown!
jordan holmes
We don't!
dan friesen
Yeah, because we've got all these treatments!
jordan holmes
And if they try and give you a vaccine...
Fucking run.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You run.
You get away from them, and you take some hydrochloroquine, and some ivermectin, and some fucking zinc, and you fucking hole up and go back to work at the same time!
dan friesen
Get some dog heartworm medication, and bop, bop, bop, you're good.
jordan holmes
Put some apple paste in there, and you call it a day.
dan friesen
That's right.
So, you fell into a little bit of a trap there that I actually find very disappointing.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
And that is that you thought that SARS-CoV-2 wasn't the coronavirus.
jordan holmes
I didn't realize that COVID-2 was a thing.
dan friesen
Well, C-O-V in the middle of it.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
SARS-CoV-2.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That's one of the names of the...
jordan holmes
That's one of the names now.
dan friesen
That's one of the...
jordan holmes
All right.
Well, it has been.
I've been stuck with COVID-19.
That's just what I've been dealing with.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Cool, cool, cool.
I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
They're the same thing.
But Alex...
Doesn't quite get that as well.
You and Alex might be in the same camp here.
unidentified
Thank you.
alex jones
So that's why when you talk about this good news, a single dose of common anti-agricultural drug found to essentially eliminate all viral material, that's a major study.
That you're linking to.
And people think, oh, well, they go, well, this is a new virus.
You can't say that.
No, no.
It's from the same family as coronavirus.
dan friesen
So the study is about the SARS coronavirus, too.
And Alex is saying it's in the family of virus.
jordan holmes
Sure, but it's the same COVID-19 that we're talking about.
They're just using a different name currently in order for a different taxonomy to make sense, I guess.
dan friesen
Yeah, in a different context.
So Alex...
Mike corrects him, like, no, that is the same virus.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
And so Alex tries to cover for not knowing.
He tries to pretend that, like, well, you know, I know these things.
alex jones
You've got this big study that's in a prestigious journal, antiviral research, FDA-approved drug, ivermectin.
It inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro.
And again, some are going to spin that and say, that's not COVID-19.
Explain, that's the original name is SARS-CoV-2, correct?
mike adams
Yeah, that is the coronavirus.
That's the Wuhan coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2.
The original SARS from however many years ago it was is SARS-CoV-2.
alex jones
I was reading comments that that's why people don't get it that it's had a bunch of names.
But the official original name is SARS-CoV-2.
dan friesen
So yeah, Alex is trying to really cover for not knowing it, as opposed to you owning up to like, yeah, I didn't realize it was the same.
jordan holmes
I have absolutely no problem being in the same boat as even Alex in not knowing something.
If I was in the same boat as Alex in denying that I didn't know something, then I have a very serious problem.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, it's unfortunate that you didn't realize that, but at the same time, it is a nice moment of the difference in reaction.
You're not threatened by...
jordan holmes
I hadn't seen it before, so fucking cool.
I'm in.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Great.
I don't mind being wrong.
dan friesen
So Alex does mind.
jordan holmes
He does.
It's a real issue.
dan friesen
He really has to try and cover for it, and that's great.
In this next clip, Mike, much like Patrick Hawley, is really...
jordan holmes
A brilliant thinker?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
Take an aim, right between the eyes, Dr. Fauci.
mike adams
Dr. Fauci is a Bill Gates puppet.
And Dr. Fauci is Trump's enemy.
In fact, Dr. Fauci has under oath lied to Congress about vaccines.
dan friesen
Citation needed.
mike adams
Vaccines cause horrific side effects.
Dr. Fauci wants America to suffer and die until he can push a vaccine onto everybody in order to carry out his orders.
alex jones
Oh, he's following a Bill Gates blueprint.
mike adams
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I mean, we just got this inundation of, like, this guy is Trump's enemy.
jordan holmes
I'm confused as to what the game is on this one.
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
I mean, this seems like...
dan friesen
We've taken a harsh pivot towards this being primarily an anti-vax situation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But now...
They just can't put it aside.
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
They just can't put it aside for like five seconds.
It seems like Fauci is doing the best he can with the expertise he has and the limitations that he's dealing with.
dan friesen
But he's not perfectly in line with Trump's bullshit, so he's a threat and he's an enemy.
jordan holmes
I know, but that seems so stupid.
dan friesen
It does.
jordan holmes
On a level that it's just unconscionable.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it's exactly what you should expect based on the last couple years that we've been following this.
It seems like you would imagine that like...
From all the stuff we've seen, they'd just be like, okay, look, we were fucking around for a long time.
Sorry about that.
Look, this is serious now.
Or find a way to keep the business profitable while not being so jeopardizing of people's health.
jordan holmes
This is that thing of people...
dan friesen
The people who know things are the enemy!
Kill the smart one!
jordan holmes
It is like people who are of the opinion that like, oh, all it will take for humanity to really come together is a threat outside of humanity that we can all unite around.
And it's like, no.
Alex Jones would be like, one, Independence Day is bullshit.
There are no aliens.
Sure, you saw the White House blow up.
The White House blew up on itself!
And it's just like, no.
dan friesen
Those aliens are working with the globalists, and they're just trying to scare you.
You saw the White House blow up.
It was just trying to scare you to bring in martial law.
They tell you that aliens are running around so you shouldn't leave your house, but that's just because they don't want you to leave your house.
jordan holmes
Will Smith was born in Kenya.
Like, whatever.
You guys are going to try and kill the human race no matter what.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It is really a bummer.
dan friesen
Yeah, it is.
It is.
And a lot of the primary direction that this seems to be going on this episode, and I mean, obviously, anti-vaccination narratives have gone throughout.
Like, Alex's fear of imagined forced vaccines and stuff.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But it seems like that's becoming a bit more primary.
But also, You know, the idea of killing off everybody through a world war also seems like it might be in Alex's wheelhouse.
jordan holmes
It would be a bad idea.
dan friesen
I legitimately think that this next clip, Alex is trying to start a world war.
unidentified
Okay.
mike adams
China, I predicted this in early February, they would try to export the virus to infect as many other countries as possible so they could shift the blame away from China.
And that's exactly what's happened.
That's all this is.
They're just trying to make sure they can rewrite history and blame, you know, Trump instead of...
China's incompetent corrupt leaders.
alex jones
But what the hell with all these videos of Chinese trying to spread it?
And then they're executed if Xi Jinping doesn't like it.
He's encouraging this.
mike adams
Well, yeah, again, it's the anti-American hatred that's been put in place because China, you know, the social engineering propaganda is what precedes war.
China is going to attack the United States in more ways than just this biological weapon.
I've been writing about that recently as well.
There are more attacks coming, Alex.
That's kind of the big news right now.
unidentified
We're in war with Communist China.
alex jones
When is it time?
To fight back.
We'll be right back.
Stay with us.
jordan holmes
When is the time to fight back?
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, Mike already, like, way back, predicted a ground invasion of the United States by China.
So for him, this is all just kind of...
jordan holmes
Something that America has historically been terrified of.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is all kind of in the same vein as some of the other bullshit he's been saying.
But, like, you get into a point where Alex is like, what are you doing?
What are you doing?
jordan holmes
Advocating for a world war with China?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Do you think that's just going to be no big deal?
Do you think...
China doesn't also have allies?
jordan holmes
Well, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Do you think the BRICS countries aren't all basically going to form an ally?
jordan holmes
How dare you?
dan friesen
Let's not do this again.
jordan holmes
Dan, it's good versus evil.
We don't need to worry about the world getting involved.
Everybody's going to stay out of the way.
It's going to be like a one-on-one.
It's going to be like an Achilles versus Hector kind of situation.
America versus China.
Get them in the ring.
One night only, we're going to solve this whole problem.
dan friesen
No, it'll be like The Fiend versus John Cena, in that the fight won't happen, and it'll be a deterioration of America's ego.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, that needs to be deteriorated pretty hard.
dan friesen
I just think that this is so dumb.
I think it's really irresponsible.
I obviously don't think it's going to lead to a world war, but in terms of the rhetoric that he's putting forth, you're getting to that point where it's like, well...
What you seem to want to happen is that.
You seem to want circumstances that would lead to no other option than open war between the United States and China.
And that is a hellscape.
That is something that I can't imagine anybody wanting.
Even someone who hates China.
I can't imagine them wanting that.
jordan holmes
Here are the options that Alex has kind of provided us an issue with.
There's global cooperation between all of these countries to try and destroy or to try and overcome the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
Thank you.
Or global world war killing an exponentially greater number of people.
For the sake of lies.
dan friesen
And the ultimate irony, too, is that what he seems to want, or the path that his rhetoric takes you down, is much closer to that lockstep scenario that is in the Rockefeller document.
jordan holmes
That he's so terrified of.
dan friesen
Right.
The idea of nation-states becoming even further insulated and more autocratic and at war with each other, regional alliances.
jordan holmes
It's dumb.
dan friesen
It's a dumb response.
jordan holmes
That is the summation of his entire career, as we've learned in the past three years, is scaring people and terrifying them of something so much that they work to bring it about.
dan friesen
Maybe unintentionally.
I don't know if that was his goal all along.
jordan holmes
But like, oh, I'm so terrified of a dictator and of a tyrant of all of this shit.
And thank God we can elect Trump to stop that and suspend all elections and suppress voters and do all of this other shit.
And you're like, are you fucking with me?
Was this a huge reverse psychology situation the whole time?
dan friesen
No, I don't think so.
jordan holmes
No, I doubt it.
They're just too stupid.
dan friesen
So, speaking of people who are stupid, in this next clip, Mike talks about some people he went to college with.
And this is supposed to be in the context of his...
He has a big point that he wants to make about 5G.
jordan holmes
Oh, I was hoping it was the movie Porky's.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Although, I don't remember Porky's perfectly well, but there might be a scene similar to this.
Probably not.
jordan holmes
With 5G towers?
dan friesen
No, it does involve drinking, though.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
dan friesen
So, his point is that 5G sets you up to get...
Coronavirus.
Because the way that it electrifies your blood or something, it makes the cells...
jordan holmes
It ionizes them to cleave to the virus better.
dan friesen
And this is the same as when he was in college.
And his buddies would lick batteries in order to get drunk faster.
By the way, this is the health ranger.
unidentified
All right.
mike adams
I've known people back in college who would drink alcohol and they would get drunk by having voltage pass through their fingers.
They would hold battery leads and they would get extra voltage and it would make the alcohol like five times more effective.
They would actually get drunk due to the electroporosity.
I'm not kidding.
alex jones
Because it's pushing it into the cells.
mike adams
Yeah, it's pushing the alcohol into the cells.
It makes you more drunk with less alcohol.
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah, man, this is like when I used to hang out with a bunch of potheads in college, and they'd be like, you gotta cough to get off, man.
unidentified
If you don't cough from hitting the bong, then you're not really getting high.
jordan holmes
This reminds me of, I don't know if you saw this press conference, but this one was not as widely circulated, but Dr. Fauci was like...
You should not take hydrochloroquine just yet, because we don't have all the evidence about it, in the same way that when I was in college, we used to butt chug, and it didn't turn out that that made us get drunk any faster.
dan friesen
I strongly disagree.
I saw him lance it, that butt chugging is...
unidentified
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
That's not good.
jordan holmes
I really think that a college drinking short story should be the basis for a lot of health decisions that I've made in my life.
dan friesen
Hey, listen, 5G's dangerous because my buddy's licked batteries.
Alright, bro?
jordan holmes
That is what he's saying!
dan friesen
I don't know if there's any truth to this, but I tried to look into it, and I did not find any evidence that some sort of electrifying voltage makes you drunk faster.
jordan holmes
Even back then, Mike Adams really knew how to push the envelope.
Nobody was even testing for whether or not licking batteries would get you drunk faster.
dan friesen
It just seems like some dumb thing that you say in your dorm.
That's insane.
So in this next clip, Mike says something else stupid, but that is fun stupid.
This is more paranoid stupid.
jordan holmes
Great.
mike adams
Speaking of blood draws, by the way, what Governor Abbott announced for Texas, you know, when they test your antibodies, they're going to track your DNA, too.
So this is also a way to just secretly steal everybody's DNA without permission.
Same thing with the nasal swabs.
When they get a little bit of virus on that nasal swab, that deep cavity swab, they're also getting your DNA.
So this is a way to create a DNA database of everybody.
That's why I'm not going to get tested.
I'm not going to get an antibody test.
I don't want the government having my DNA.
dan friesen
So now they're trying to make everyone scared of testing.
Alex has already tried this contaminated test narrative, which is curiously absent in this episode.
I don't know what happened in the days, couple days since then, but he was crying about China sending out contaminated tests and now is not even bringing it up at all, which is super suspicious.
Now Mike is trying to make everyone scared of getting tested because they're going to take your DNA and put it in a database.
Do you not think that any time you've gotten any kind of blood drawn or anything, they could do that if that was the intention?
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
God damn it.
jordan holmes
I'm at the place now where it's like...
dan friesen
It's such unreasonable paranoia.
jordan holmes
You idiots, Mike, Alex, Trump, whomever, contract COVID and then cure it or shut the fuck up.
I'm done with all these lies about what cures bullshit.
dan friesen
What a twist would that be.
jordan holmes
I'd be great.
dan friesen
If Mike Adams...
jordan holmes
If they did it?
Great.
dan friesen
Mike Adams gives himself coronavirus and ends up becoming the...
He tests on himself.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He does the penicillin and malaria situation.
He does the whole thing.
He fucking infects his son and cures him in front of the Nobel Prize Committee.
dan friesen
Becomes a hero for the ages.
jordan holmes
Great.
Good.
dan friesen
Or he's a guy telling you to take cow medicine.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
Yeah!
Fucking put up or shut up.
I'm done with this bullshit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the two of them here talk about this is the last sort of thing that they have together.
And that is, they talk about this video that came out on YouTube.
And it's actually kind of interesting.
Because it...
It doesn't belong on InfoWars, yet can be used by InfoWars, that kind of thing.
So Alex is going to talk about this a little bit, and he's just kind of out of line.
alex jones
Mike Adams, thank you so much.
When we come back, you're going to be gone, but you pointed this out to be a Natural News article.
I looked it up.
Bombshell plea from NYC ICU doctor, COVID-19, a condition of oxygen deprivation, not...
Pneumonia.
We've got one minute.
Tell folks what's coming up with this because he points out that this is not pneumonia.
mike adams
Very important story.
This emergency physician has noticed that the ventilators are causing the lung damage.
They're running the wrong methods.
Ventilators are causing too much pressure to the lungs because the dogma of the medical system is thinking that this is viral pneumonia.
It isn't viral pneumonia.
It's oxygen deprivation.
And that emergency physician knows exactly what he's talking about.
Lungs are being damaged.
By ventilators running the wrong methods.
That's the story.
alex jones
And so what he's saying is they need a higher oxygen mix.
mike adams
They need to run a different method with lower pressure and just support the lungs absorbing oxygen, not take over the lungs by forcing them with higher pressure that causes tissue damage.
That's what he's saying.
alex jones
We're going to play what the doctor said.
I'm sure the left in media matters will say, do not play doctors.
Only George Soros, the Nazi collaborator.
jordan holmes
Hey!
Bingo!
alex jones
He loves you.
Take the vaccines.
Thank you, Mike.
dan friesen
So, this doctor in question is a guy named Cameron Kyle Sedell.
And he put out a YouTube video claiming that he's seeing things that indicate that this is not a pneumonia-like disease, and his recommendation is changing the settings on the ventilators.
I'm not sure if there's good data to back this up, but Alex's comment at the end there is really stupid.
Like, there is an article in, like, the New York Post and other outlets about this guy's video and what he's bringing to the table.
Discussing, is there a possibility that there is a better treatment than what we've been using?
It's an interesting perspective, but Alex thinks that this dude's going to get a ton of pushback because Alex gets a ton of pushback for his irresponsible shit.
I don't know what to make of this doctor and what he's bringing to the table.
I don't know.
I can't possibly know.
But the response that I've seen from non-InfoWars outlets isn't like, Fuck this guy.
Because it's not him telling you to take dewormer.
It's someone saying there's a possibility that there is a better treatment.
And people are like, is there something to this?
I don't know.
We don't know yet.
But Alex thinks like, no, Soros is going to shut it down.
No.
People hate you.
People hate you because of a very different behavior.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
So Alex says he's going to play that video as he's going out to break there.
And he comes back and I expected to hear that video.
I did not.
unidentified
Are you sure this isn't how the clip starts?
alex jones
It's not like other intelligent people don't know what we're talking about is accurate.
unidentified
They decide to join with Sauron.
alex jones
They decide to join with Satan.
They get scared or they get flattered being offered to be part of the power structure.
But, you know, I've always been so high on life that every time I got around the Satanist, I felt cold and weak.
I didn't feel strong.
And so no matter how much danger I'm in or how much I'm being attacked, I've got this continual courage from God.
dan friesen
He was like an hour ago talking about how people should be maybe exterminated.
Bill Gates is right because they're dumb.
jordan holmes
That's the courage of God!
dan friesen
What a dick.
Also, I love the idea.
Other intelligent people get flattered into things.
It's such a chef kiss kind of moment.
jordan holmes
He's just capable of projecting any of his failings onto everyone else.
dan friesen
One of the other things, in terms of trends that I've been seeing a little bit, one is the flu to cold pivot, in terms of discussing the coronavirus as the cold as opposed to as the flu.
One of the other things I've been noticing a lot lately is Alex seems to be getting really fucking prophet-like lately.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Talking about how God is speaking through him, that kind of thing, a bit more.
And this next clip, I think, is really indicative of that.
alex jones
The smarter and greater my discernment gets, God just goes, turn loose.
I'm in control.
Just go with what I tell you.
It's not me.
It's God.
And it's crazy.
unidentified
Yes.
alex jones
And so I don't look forward to whatever they're going to do to me because it gets pretty outrageous.
But for every door that closes, other doors open.
There's providence.
It's a real thing.
So research providence, my friends, and don't be fearful.
Fear he who can kill the body.
Fear he who can kill the soul.
Now, this has been sold out for 14 weeks.
dan friesen
Get him.
jordan holmes
That is unreal.
That is unreal.
You were fucking dancing around like you had a fucking absolute banger and then you delivered?
God damn!
That is unreal.
dan friesen
For those of you who are not in the room, I was doing a bunch of religious poses while Alex was talking about Providence.
jordan holmes
That is...
dan friesen
Hey, as my discernment gets better, it's not me.
It's God speaking through me.
I have this provident...
Now, let me tell you, this stuff's been sold out for a while.
unidentified
Goddamn.
dan friesen
Just such a harsh pivot.
jordan holmes
Look, I know you've lost your jobs, but you gotta tithe to me because the Lord seeds and so on and so forth and Paul the White Cane should be the president.
dan friesen
I have to assume Jesus would turn over a table in Alex's studio.
jordan holmes
I think Jesus would take that whole nonviolence policy and be like, I really fucked up on this one, guys.
My bad.
I'm gonna take care of him, him, him, and then we'll do the nonviolence.
dan friesen
Jesus would confiscate Alex's...
So he does end up playing that guy's video.
Don't get me wrong.
I realize that I might have made it sound like he doesn't play it.
He does play it.
But he has no analysis.
jordan holmes
He didn't come back with it.
dan friesen
And he also has no analysis for it that's worth listening to.
It just turns into a bit of an ad thing.
And then he plays it right at the end of the show and goes out.
But I have one last clip and it's just like Alex.
So he's been trying to sell his zinc, obviously.
jordan holmes
And he's been doing it great.
dan friesen
Well, I would say that it's been bad, but this is even worse.
Like, he seems to be trying to tell his audience, like, hey, look, man, I don't know.
Don't take it from me.
But doctors have been telling me to take a dangerous level of zinc.
unidentified
Great.
alex jones
Zinc sold out everywhere.
People debate about how much zinc should you take.
I was taking 30 milligrams a day.
I talked to a lot of folks, and they said, no, you should take 100 during this virus.
But I'm not giving that advice.
Doctors are saying if you have COVID-19, 250 milligrams.
I looked that up.
That's toxic to your kidneys.
I'm not a doctor.
I called the doctor back and he said, well, that's true.
But he said, you know, this is so crazy.
Long term, it's bad for your kidneys.
I would go ahead and do this now just to be safe.
jordan holmes
Wow.
alex jones
I'm not giving medical advice.
They've got the George Soros groups breathing down my neck.
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is the great moment right there.
I've got the George Soros people breathing down my neck.
I'm not giving you medical advice.
As if they weren't breathing down his neck, he would say, take 250 milligrams.
It's dangerous.
It's dangerous, but doctors are telling me, hey, look, dude, if you're not giving medical advice, don't do this.
Don't have this conversation at all.
It's useless.
There is no point to have this conversation outside of...
some sort of insight you're giving your audience.
Yeah.
unidentified
And the insight that you glean from this is like, if you trust Alex as a source of information, he's talked to doctors who are like, hey, look, this will cause damage, but you should take tons of zinc Because this is a higher zinc needed time.
dan friesen
It's fucked up.
jordan holmes
I would be so much better if all of these people continued peddling their bullshit.
Conspiracy theories.
I continued with all that nonsense.
But for now, the point was like, stay home, social distance, don't do anything fucking stupid.
I'd be fine with it.
Because at least now we're like, we're just going to do the thing now, and then we'll deal with all this shit later.
dan friesen
Stay home, but what will really save you is aromatherapy.
jordan holmes
Sure!
Great!
Love it!
But as long as you stay home and social distance.
That kind of shit.
And I think you could sell that.
I think you could.
dan friesen
I think you could.
jordan holmes
I absolutely think you could.
I sell potpourri that helps you relax from the virus now.
Fine.
dan friesen
I don't think I would be as offended by that, probably, because there would still be not a contradiction of what will help.
jordan holmes
Right, exactly.
dan friesen
But these guys are just...
jordan holmes
This is tantamount to a fucking...
What?
Manslaughter?
Criminal negligence?
I don't know what else to describe these people.
I don't know how else to describe Trump as anything other than somebody who's committing mass-scale murder right now.
dan friesen
You should have asked the guys on opening arguments.
unidentified
It's insane.
jordan holmes
Well, the problem is the law clearly doesn't mean anything anyways, so there's an issue.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's tough.
And one of the things I think is really interesting about this episode in particular, and one of the reasons I decided to do an episode about it, is that you have the development of the hydrochloroquine narrative into the ivermectin narrative, and it's better in terms of some reality.
It's closer to reality, but it's still the same behavior.
It's still the same reckless and responsible behavior.
These dudes...
jordan holmes
To the level of criminal.
Without doubt, to the level of criminal.
Regardless of whether or not there is a law that you can use to enforce it, this is a crime.
dan friesen
Now, Jordan, what pisses me off the most...
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
Is that he didn't talk about QAnon.
jordan holmes
Well, that's tomorrow!
dan friesen
I understand, though, today, if you're listening to this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I understand, but I wanted, like...
If you are building to a pay-per-view in wrestling...
It's not like you're going to not talk about the fight.
jordan holmes
No, you pretend it doesn't happen.
That's bullshit.
dan friesen
Alex called QAnon out a week ago.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
And he has done almost nothing on his show in terms of building the feud.
Because I think he realizes this is going to be a bust.
jordan holmes
Dan, I am going to lap up your disappointment like ambrosia tomorrow whenever you realize that none of that is going to happen.
dan friesen
My disappointment is going to be fantastic and I'm excited for it.
Don't think you get some sort of schadenfreude out of this.
jordan holmes
I'm not getting schadenfreude out of it.
Not at all.
I'm saying it's going to be delicious.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We will see.
And we'll be back on our next episode where we will deal with Alex's big reveal of QAnon.
jordan holmes
Or not.
dan friesen
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
We also are on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledgefight.
And I go to Bed Jordan.
dan friesen
Yes, we are on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
We like to download the show.
Please do the iTunes, knowledgefight, review rate, donate to the podcast, do the whole thing.
Thank you very much to Opening Arguments for bringing us on, etc.
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX.
Clark.
I am Patrick Hawley's diction coach.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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