#415: April 1, 2020
Today, Dan and Jordan check in on Alex Jones' April Fool's Day show on Infowars. In this installment, Alex's friend the Health Ranger comes out as a Polio Denier and Alex declares a really hilarious war against QAnon.
April 3, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
02:46:21
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| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan, knowledge. | |
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| What do you got for a bright spot this week? | ||
| Well, here's one that shows how stupid I am. | ||
| I didn't know that frozen hash brown patties existed and could be sold at the store. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I've discovered that, and they're fantastic. | ||
| They're really nice for a breakfast item. | ||
| You can't go wrong with potatoes. | ||
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No. | |
| In any form. | ||
| I didn't realize how many different shapes of potato they sell in the frozen... | ||
| Food section. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I like the way you put that. | ||
| Just shapes of potatoes. | ||
| There's a lot of presentations, and it's pretty wild. | ||
| I thought it was just like, well, you got crinkle fries, you got shoestring fries, steak fries. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's so much more. | ||
| Tots. | ||
| Tots. | ||
| You got tots. | ||
| Curly fries. | ||
| Waffle fries. | ||
| You get the hash brown patty. | ||
| It's just like if you went to McDonald's. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Except a pack of ten of them costs like four bucks. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a perfect breakfast. | ||
| And you don't have to go to McDonald's. | ||
| No. | ||
| Fuck McDonald's. | ||
| That's my bright spot. | ||
| Take that. | ||
| Hash browns. | ||
| Mr. McDonald. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Whatever your name may be. | ||
| Ray Kroc. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's a whole crock of shit is what I'm telling you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What about you? | ||
| I will tell you a book series by Anne McCraffrey. | ||
| Dragon Song and Dragon Singer and then there's a third one but I love it so much because it's like that kind of magical girl story where she's in a quiet remote place and she's got a magical destiny and that kind of thing. | ||
| But it's entirely about her wanting to become a musician. | ||
| And going to this school that doesn't allow women musicians and it's amazing and it's beautiful and it shows a true and deep passion for music that I care about very much. | ||
| That sounds lovely. | ||
| Yeah, it's like a children's book. | ||
| Read that book and get a hash brown. | ||
| It's good! | ||
| That's our recommendation for the day. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we are going over a little bit of an episode of Alex Jones' show for our Friday. | ||
| We got April Fool's Day episode, April 1st, 2020. | ||
| Don't you do it! | ||
| Don't you do it! | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| So we're going to go over that. | ||
| It's really interesting. | ||
| There's some weird stuff, and then there's weirder stuff. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Almost half of this episode is taken up with a... | ||
| Source of conversation that is meaningless, that will not pay off, and is ridiculous. | ||
| Okay, I like it. | ||
| So I'm thrilled to get into that, but before we do, Jordan, we're going to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| So first, Dan with two N's. | ||
| Great name, one too many N's. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Dan. | ||
| Keep that in. | ||
| Next, Nicole P. Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Nicole. | ||
| Next, Brian. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Brian. | ||
| Next, Spencer. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Spencer. | ||
| Next, Danger Guy. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Danger Guy. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And, uh, Lindsay. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thanks, Lindsay. | ||
| Thanks, Lindsay. | ||
| And finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on Elevated Level. | ||
| We appreciate it very much. | ||
| So first, Brett, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| And Old Man House Phone, thank you. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Crikey, mate, that's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| Why are you pimps so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare... | ||
| Infowar on you! | ||
| Thank you so much, Brett, and thank you so much, Old Man Housephone. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much, the two of you. | ||
| If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I like the show, I'd like to support these gents too, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show, or finding a local charity in your area to help those who are in need. | ||
| Please do one or the other, they would be lovely. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, Jordan, today, like I said, April 1st, April Fools, Alex starts off the show talking about a little bit of April Fools business. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, ladies and gentlemen, it is April Fool's Day, and we've got the April Fool's virus out there in full effect. | ||
| No, it's a real bioweapon. | ||
| It's probably going to kill Mike Adams' original analysis. | ||
| It's pretty good. | ||
| We had the flu kill 80,000 in 2018. | ||
| We have a total lockdown of society and the stock market plunging, which it is right now. | ||
| No. | ||
| So first, what's the... | ||
| What's the April Fool's here? | ||
| It's the April Fool's virus, but it's not. | ||
| It's very real. | ||
| Is the April Fool's Day joke pretending that Mike Adams' original estimate was 80 to 90,000? | ||
| I guess! | ||
| His original estimate? | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| So Alex's flu numbers are inaccurate there, but even so, flu comparisons are by definition stupid, so I'm just going to leave that aside. | ||
| What I want to focus on here is the claim that Mike Adams' estimates are being shown to be correct. | ||
| April Fools! | ||
| That's fair enough, because this is not okay to say, based on Mike's appearances on Alex's show. | ||
| It's impossible to say which of Mike's estimates Alex is talking about. | ||
| Mike has changed projections quite a bit over the course of this period, very suspiciously in ways that seem to be meant to complement Alex's editorial tone. | ||
| It's really helpful that way. | ||
| On the day after China locked down Wuhan on January 24th, Mike famously guested on Alex's show and declared that it was over for humanity and there would only be lone survivors. | ||
| On that same show, he literally said that most people would not survive. | ||
| In my assessment, the bulk of the human race will not survive this. | ||
| Now, there can be lone survivors or small groups of survivors. | ||
| And I think that that's the strategy we have to get to. | ||
| So that death toll's pretty high. | ||
| Maybe unspecific, but pretty high. | ||
| On February 8th, Mike returned to the show to misuse an estimate put out by Professor Neil Ferguson in order to estimate that we would be seeing 7,500 deaths a day in China from the virus. | ||
| If the death rate is 15 to 17 percent, which I will lay out here in a minute, China has admitted it, by the way, in a press conference. | ||
| They accidentally admitted it. | ||
| They didn't. | ||
| Then Neil Ferguson's estimates, Professor Ferguson, his estimates of 50,000 new infections a day. | ||
| It translates to 7,500 deaths a day in China over the next few weeks. | ||
| At the point of the writing of this episode, China had experienced 3,312 deaths from the virus, a little more than half of Mike's daily prediction. | ||
| Now, granted, of course, you take China's numbers with a grain of salt. | ||
| There's still nowhere near what Mike's talking about. | ||
| Then, on March 1st, Mike and Alex spent a considerable amount of time discussing Rush Limbaugh's comments about the virus having a 2% mortality rate, and how if half the population got infected, that would translate to approximately 3 million deaths. | ||
| And you mentioned Rush, so I'll bring this up. | ||
| Okay, Rush says there's only a 2% mortality rate. | ||
| Well, if you infect half of America, which is pretty typical for a flu... | ||
| 2% comes out to roughly 3.3 million dead Americans. | ||
| So Rush essentially just admitted there could be millions of deaths in America. | ||
| And let's be clear. | ||
| Which is 100 times larger than the flu. | ||
| And let's be clear. | ||
| We don't want that to happen. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| Ooh, Mike said it's 100 times larger than the flu. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, that's a good flu comparison. | ||
| Did Alex say that his projections were right? | ||
| Meaning that there would only be 80,000 to 90,000 people left on the planet? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| In which case, I think that is a correct... | ||
| According to the initial one, maybe. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, by March 2nd, Alex had completely fabricated two lieutenant colonel sources who had told him that the Pentagon was predicting approximately 3 million deaths, exactly what he and Mike had discussed when they were talking about Rush Limbaugh. | ||
| Alex claimed that the military had been ordered to contact him to let him know this because they needed hardcore patriots to be prepared. | ||
| Weirdly, Alex has completely dropped this 100% made-up storyline now because it's not useful to him anymore. | ||
| On March 6th, Mike returned to the show with a new computer model that showed a possibility of about 2 million deaths by July, which Alex proceeded to use incorrectly. | ||
| Now the models are at millions and millions dying. | ||
| There's a new computer model out that shows two plus a dead million people by July, but Again, these are just models, other Lancet models, you know, show 15% death rates, not 2%. | ||
| Alex was so out of line that Mike had to interrupt their interview to tell him to change the headline about his model on Infowars to reflect that the model is showing what would happen in the unlikely and possibly impossible scenario that literally nothing was done to slow down the virus. | ||
| And it was drawn on Microsoft Paint, so it wasn't a very good computer model. | ||
| There is no narrative you can make out of this that says that Mike Adams was accurate. | ||
| Mike was all over the place and generally erring strongly in the direction of hysteria early on. | ||
| What Alex just did to start his show is textbook gaslighting, pretending that Mike Adams has been super accurate. | ||
| And his models, they've always shown 80,000 to 90,000. | ||
| And that's how I've reported it straight down the middle. | ||
| Complete vindication for his process, Dan. | ||
| Complete vindication. | ||
| It's abusive, man. | ||
| It's so good to know when you're right, you know, and have it be confirmed. | ||
| So there's a lot of rewriting of things and, like, creating this new but sort of more solidified narrative. | ||
| And in this case, Alex lays it out here. | ||
| And it's essentially, you know, what you need to know is that early on, the globalists said it was no big deal in order to lure Trump. | ||
| You know, we've been down this road. | ||
| Of course, of course. | ||
| Here's how Alex explains it. | ||
| About March 1st, a month ago, they flipped and said, it's all Trump's fault. | ||
| It's the American virus. | ||
| America's a crap hole. | ||
| It's going to have the most cases. | ||
| Because we're going to have the most testing. | ||
| So they run the hoax that we're not testing. | ||
| We're not testing. | ||
| More testing, the whole world combined. | ||
| Hundreds of times the testing of China. | ||
| China stopped testing two weeks ago. | ||
| On record. | ||
| Alex's narrative is nonsensical about the progression through this, and I don't really even care that much about how he's deciding to rewrite history in order to keep Trump the noble hero in the story. | ||
| He can live in that fantasy world of his choosing. | ||
| I'll just stick to the claims that he's making. | ||
| Alex claims that the U.S. is engaging in more testing than the rest of the world combined, and a hundred times that of China. | ||
| He further claims that China stopped testing two weeks ago on record. | ||
| That sounds like something China would do during the middle of the largest outbreak in their history. | ||
| The claim that China stopped testing people for coronavirus is something that was making the rounds in some right-wing blogs, which is undoubtedly where Alex got it from. | ||
| It's all based on an article out of the Daily Apple, which is a strongly anti-China tabloid from Hong Kong. | ||
| The reporting hasn't been substantiated by any other source, and it seems unlikely that this is the case and China is still reporting new cases. | ||
| There's substantial questions about China's reporting of numbers, and those things will be clearer in the future. | ||
| But at this point, I wouldn't stake my credibility on this unfounded report, an unconfirmed report, which Alex has just decided is on record, totally accurate, 100%. | ||
| Sounds true. | ||
| Daily Apple. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| So the U.S. has now done over 1.1 million coronavirus tests, and from what I can tell, that is the most of any country in the world. | ||
| However, it's not more than all the countries combined. | ||
| Italy has done more than 450,000, and South Korea is about 420,000. | ||
| The issue is that the vast majority of these tests in America have been done recently, whereas it would have been way more effective to have done them earlier. | ||
| Widespread testing is always helpful, but the point that it could have had the most impact has passed. | ||
| So saying that we're doing a ton of testing now is great, but the complaint is more that testing wasn't done when it was needed. | ||
| It's not their fault. | ||
| It was a hoax, but now it's real. | ||
| You just didn't notice that it turned from a hoax to reality. | ||
| I guess that's the way you explain it, but it's nonsense. | ||
| The other issue is that 1.1 million tests is good, but per capita we're still far behind countries like Italy. | ||
| In an article on NPR they put the per capita testing at the United States at about 1 in 366 people compared to 1 in 133 in Italy. | ||
| So when you adjust for country size, you can see the differences a little bit more clearly. | ||
| And the numbers are kind of artificial to an extent. | ||
| So all this stuff that Alex is saying is just nonsensical ways to try and defend Trump. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| Yeah, anytime he starts using big numbers, quoting from places, it's always conveniently getting rid of the per capita. | ||
| Oh, Chicago has the worst murders in the... | ||
| Per capita, it's... | ||
| That difference is always something he struggles with. | ||
| So one of the things that I found particularly interesting about this, and I thought it might have been an April Fool's joke, but it turns out it's not, is that Alex is very insistent that the Senate and the Pentagon, they now all are sure that this was a bioweapon release. | ||
| Oh, God damn! | ||
| Which I'm not... | ||
| So where he's getting for that from, but okay. | ||
| The consensus that the Senate Intelligence and the Pentagon and, again, people that are a part of the pro-American camp there is that this is a globalist attack by the deep state through communist China because America was taking over the New World Order and Americanizing it 1776 worldwide. | ||
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Sure. | |
| A plan that I have put forward. | ||
| A thesis. | ||
| Stupidly. | ||
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Wait, wait, wait. | |
| So that's what you mean by 1776 worldwide? | ||
| You got it. | ||
| Is not getting rid of the New World Order, but Americanizing it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And it's your version of America, right? | ||
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Right, right, right, right. | |
| Ooh, I don't want that. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's a global one-world government that is created by the... | ||
| Trump. | ||
| Oh, no, that's not good. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| It's a good idea to have a one-world... | ||
| No, I don't think Alex can say that, right? | ||
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Well... | |
| That's kind of what he's saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Trump and his goons were taking over the One World Government. | ||
| They were doing it. | ||
| And that was too bad. | ||
| So there was a globalist bioattack. | ||
| That's basically what the narrative here is, which is absurd. | ||
| And the Senate, there's a consensus in the Intelligence Committee in the Pentagon. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| That's why it's okay that Inhofe and Feinstein and Leffler all sold all their stocks right away because they found out it was a bioweapon. | ||
| So they had to save their money for the future. | ||
| It's not unethical, Dan. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if that angle's going to work. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised to hear Alex picking it up. | ||
| So the globalists, because they're doing this bio-attack and all this, they need people to be hurt by it or something. | ||
| And so they don't want you to know that this hydrochloroquine... | ||
| Is basically, as Trump put it, a game changer. | ||
| I really feel like it's not. | ||
| So you had all of these governors, like we talked about on the last episode, who are putting restrictions and regulations in place about frivolous prescriptions because there's a concern about running into a complete shortage. | ||
| Right, because the president is... | ||
| He enlisted everybody in a panic buy of a medication that could be otherwise very, very helpful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex has now learned that some of these senators, not senators, governors, are requesting hydroxychloroquine. | ||
| And so he's decided that they've flipped. | ||
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Okay. | |
| They have fought like the devil to tell you there is no hope. | ||
| Who is an interdimensional being, just so you know. | ||
| That if you get it, you're just basically dead or get ready for a ventilator. | ||
| Not telling you that if your immune system is boosted, and that if you've got a lot of zinc in your body, a lot of D3, and a lot of sunshine, and things like that, that it's very hard to get it. | ||
| That's just a fact. | ||
| And they're so pissed that medical doctors are saying that, that a bunch of governors try to block them. | ||
| Well, they all failed. | ||
| Now the governors, like Michigan, that were telling people that... | ||
| Hydroxychloroquine was illegal, are now begging for it, and the FDA says, yeah, they have massive success, 90-plus percent, as I said, brought off their own reports. | ||
| I was reading major news out of Europe, mainline news, that now they've just capitulated. | ||
| The Democrats are failing in blocking the medicine of the people, but it shows they are psychotic filth of the highest order. | ||
| So Alex isn't lying that Michigan Governor Gretchen Widmer did request hydroxychloroquine, but he's lying about why. | ||
| She did it at the request of the Michigan Senate Majority Leader, Mike Shirky, who explained his actions to the Detroit News thusly, We needed something to prevent chloroquine from becoming the next toilet paper. | ||
| Prescribing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine without further proof of efficacy for treating COVID-19 or with the intent to stockpile the drug may create a shortage for patients with lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, or other ailments for which chloroquine and hydrochloroquine are proven treatments. | ||
| Again, these are drugs that have not been proven scientifically or medically to treat COVID-19. | ||
| This is exactly the situation we were discussing on a recent episode. | ||
| People like Alex and Trump are pretending they found a miracle cure, and because people look up to them, they're making a run on this medication, which is leading to scarcity. | ||
| To continue to serve the patients who have these conditions that this is actually used for, people like the leadership in Michigan have had to try to get more of it, which gives the appearance that they're on board with it being a coronavirus cure. | ||
| It makes me so mad. | ||
| I'm just so tired of that. | ||
| We are forcing people to act like this because we've entrapped them in this cult-like behavior. | ||
| They're doing all this stuff that's causing a shortage that the rest of us have to deal with. | ||
| When the rest of us deal with their bullshit, they cite it as proof that they've succeeded. | ||
| It's insane! | ||
| These people are insane! | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't have a rebuttal. | ||
| There's no rebuttal! | ||
| It's just so... | ||
| Fucking infuriating. | ||
| Now, the thing that makes it a little more interestingly is that simultaneously over the weekend, the FDA issued an emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine to be used for coronavirus patients. | ||
| A couple of very important things to point out about this are that in their declaration, the FDA makes it clear that the main reason for this emergency authorization is, one, there's no available alternative treatment, and two, the sense that the possible benefits outweigh the expected risks. | ||
| Which, you know, are, you know, death. | ||
| They're trying to get rid of hope, Dan. | ||
| That's what they're trying to do with this chloroquine. | ||
| They're getting rid of hope. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| So the FDA is very clear that this is not an approved drug and that the science does not reach the non-emergency standard for approval. | ||
| But we're in an emergency situation, so they're like, well, let's try it. | ||
| It probably won't kill as many people as it might help. | ||
| Question mark? | ||
| That's unbelievable. | ||
| This could end up being really bad news, but it also might not be. | ||
| It's really hard to say, but it's important to remember that there's a big difference between this declaration and the rest of the shit we've been seeing. | ||
| A health official saying, you know, like, this isn't proven, but we're in an emergency and it might do more to help than hurt, so doctors should use their discretion, giving it to patients that do test positive. | ||
| That's super different than Alex and Trump promoting it as a cure and 99% effective in the studies. | ||
| They're suppressing it. | ||
| Yeah, it's just the FDA going, Trump won't fucking shut up, so fine. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| We'll do this. | ||
| Yeah, well, but, yeah, I don't think it's entirely that. | ||
| If you read the declaration, there is, like, if you look at the science under appropriate care, the odds of you dying are probably low from the hydroxychloroquine. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| If used appropriately with the assistance of a doctor. | ||
| It's not as unsafe as just everyone taking it or people doing it on their own. | ||
| So trying to approve it in that context makes more sense than running the risk of people trying to self-medicate. | ||
| So I think that there's a harm reduction factor there. | ||
| Now, to the point that you're making, it still is all roads lead back to... | ||
| Trump is throwing a fit like a whiny baby. | ||
| Hyperinflated expectations that are being created by Trump and his allies. | ||
| That is still the root of where all of the impetus to try and self-medicate with it are coming from. | ||
| It's like we're all sharing a car with fucking toddlers and every now and again the toddlers get to drive and we just have to deal with it. | ||
| I don't know where this fucking car is going to go. | ||
| There's a toddler driving it. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| Well, if you're a toddler... | ||
| And you hate the United Nations. | ||
| You might say things like Alex says in this next clip about the 1992 Agenda 21 conference. | ||
| Oh, here we go. | ||
| And I'll say I need citations on pretty much all of this. | ||
| Microsoft and Carta. | ||
| The UN said back in 1992 at the big Rio de Janeiro Earth Summit for Agenda 21. Now they've gotten that. | ||
| They're now Agenda 2030. | ||
| They said... | ||
| We're going to bring in total world government, and we're going to bring back human sacrifice like the pagans had to reduce population. | ||
| We're going to tear up the families. | ||
| We're not going to have single parent or double parent homes, single family dwelling facilities. | ||
| We're going to ban fireplaces. | ||
| We're going to ban individual farming. | ||
| We're going to only have giant factory farms, total control. | ||
| And we're going to phase out humans. | ||
| Who needs it? | ||
| That's now all public. | ||
| But that's on the UN website. | ||
| I couldn't find that on the UN website. | ||
| Is it on the UN website? | ||
| I couldn't find it. | ||
| We want to create a post-human society is on the UN website? | ||
| I will say that where I checked out was the human sacrifice part. | ||
| That was about where I was like, I don't even care anymore. | ||
| They didn't say that. | ||
| So Alex gets to playing a clip of Trump talking, because Trump's tone did take a pretty big change over the last couple days where he's like... | ||
| There's going to be a lot of deaths. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Hey, if we get 100,000 deaths, that'll be a victory. | ||
| That kind of tone, it's changed a bit. | ||
| Yeah, let me recontextualize from this is an entire hoax to don't you realize that by me not doing anything up until now and then doing something means that I have saved probably millions of lives and I'm the hero for this outbreak that I definitely did not call a hoax a month ago. | ||
| So in terms of Alex talking about that and leading into the clip, He kind of ends up admitting that Mike Adams' predictions weren't 80,000, 90,000 to begin with. | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| Here, let's hear from the president. | ||
| Prepare for hard days ahead. | ||
| As many as 250,000 dead by the middle of July. | ||
| Mike Adams projected 250,000 dead by the middle of July about five weeks ago here on air. | ||
| Now he's downgraded that because Trump went along with some of the lockdowns. | ||
| So, no, he didn't. | ||
| He said 2 point something million by July in his model that Alex was misusing. | ||
| The model was if nobody does anything. | ||
| If nobody does anything, 2 something million people will be dead by July. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| So, no, but even so... | ||
| This is nonsense. | ||
| Alex can't keep his story straight. | ||
| This is disgusting. | ||
| It is. | ||
| This is disgusting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex is apparently a big Dow Jones guy now. | ||
| Well, you gotta be. | ||
| He's a big market guy. | ||
| He doesn't sell gold anymore. | ||
| He's gotta buy stocks in Raytheon or whatever it is he does. | ||
| Apparently the market is like really important now. | ||
| And he wants to check in. | ||
| Finds out. | ||
| Market's down. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| Uh oh. | ||
| And the stock market's almost down 800 points right now. | ||
| Summer of rage! | ||
| It's tied to the entire economy. | ||
| And when it starts tanking, they're going to demand bigger bailouts. | ||
| And then that creates more inflation down the road. | ||
| But the depressionary thing's happening so fast right now that all the stimulus may not even be able to stop it. | ||
| And that's why Jim Acosta praised Trump last night. | ||
| When he said, okay, we've got to stay closed two more weeks, they went, good, good. | ||
| Because then it'll set the precedent that when he opens it in a month to stop total depression, it's all his fault. | ||
| They're setting the trap. | ||
| But Trump knows the trap. | ||
| It was a trap, though, if he didn't respond, they'd blame every death on him. | ||
| So he's riding the tiger. | ||
| We're all riding the tiger together. | ||
| And I'm in simpatico with the president. | ||
| I understand what he's doing. | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| This is just wild. | ||
| The gymnastics that's required in order to make this make even something close to sense. | ||
| I mean, there's no point, again, in pointing out hypocrisy. | ||
| There's just no point. | ||
| It's over with. | ||
| But the fact that people on the right are saying, like, this $2 trillion stimulus might not be enough makes me want to throw rocks at their homes. | ||
| Because when we had the fucking... | ||
| And last one, they're like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. | ||
| We can't do $1.5 trillion stimulus. | ||
| We don't have the money. | ||
| We'll never find it. | ||
| It's a bailout. | ||
| It's definitely because of the bailout. | ||
| It's not because he's black. | ||
| It's because of the bailout. | ||
| That's why we're so mad. | ||
| It's the bailout. | ||
| Now they're like, well, I mean, of course we need to have another stimulus package, obviously. | ||
| $2 trillion isn't going to be enough. | ||
| Yeah, and particularly with Alex. | ||
| His hatred of Obama specifically surrounding the bailout was so central to... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot of his coverage. | ||
| The whole Tea Party, Glenn Beck, they should be bankrupt immediately, and their money should go towards the stimulus. | ||
| Like, I realize that we can't do anything criminal. | ||
| Seize the blaze. | ||
| They should be seized. | ||
| All of their assets should be seized. | ||
| This is kind of a crime. | ||
| Use civil asset for it for sure. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Take it. | ||
| So, Alex is really in a strange place at the beginning, in the first hour of this show. | ||
| He's talking a bit about still the downplaying, but also a Trump saying like 100,000 deaths. | ||
| I mean, that's no big deal. | ||
| That's like the flu a couple years ago. | ||
| Yeah, there's still that sort of thing, but he's also getting pretty deep into conspiracy shit. | ||
| But it's a lot of stuff that we've gone over in the past. | ||
| A lot of it is stuff that you'd find in our endgame coverage. | ||
| He's just recycling a lot of weird... | ||
| Old sort of political conspiracy. | ||
| And he gets into talking about the CIA, man, and how they really screwed over Chiang Kai-shek and the nationalists. | ||
| I mean, okay. | ||
| Is that what you want to fight on? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It takes a really interesting road because he's trying to relate that to the present day with China being the tools of the globalists, as it were. | ||
| And the globalist shadow organization, this all came out in the history books, of the CIA. | ||
| It's only been around two years at the time. | ||
| Tracked down and murdered hundreds of army officers fighting with Chiang Kai-shek in China. | ||
| And the CIA sabotaged the hundreds of thousands of rifles and weapons by removing the firing pins and by removing the explosives out of the hand grenades after the ships launched from San Diego and Long Beach. | ||
| To China. | ||
| That's just little snippets of history. | ||
| And, you know, I always read this from the John Birch Society and saw it in congressional hearings when I was a kid. | ||
| I heard people talking about it. | ||
| Disclaimer, do not show your kid. | ||
| Like 22 years ago, I was watching History Channel and it had the old former section chief of the CIA bragging, yeah, a lot of us thought Mao was going to really help China. | ||
| And so, working with the Rockefeller Foundation. | ||
| This guy looked like a mummy on there. | ||
| He goes, we've helped him kick Chiang Kai-shek out and we thought Congress didn't understand how great Mao was going to be for China. | ||
| And he was great. | ||
| And so we kicked Chiang Kai-shek out. | ||
| And I'm sitting there on History Channel watching him talk about this. | ||
| So Mao Zedong could kill 80-something million people himself? | ||
| So Alex goes down a road on this episode of rewriting the history of the Chinese Civil War, and considering it's such a huge part of his worldview, I really need him to do better than this. | ||
| I can find no citations of the globalists sabotaged weapons being sent to Chiang Kai-shek, nor any evidence that the CIA was hunting down pro-Shek soldiers. | ||
| That's how you know they did it, because there's no evidence! | ||
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| I can find plenty of evidence that the U.S. assessed that Chiang Kai-shek was doomed to lose that war because he was carrying it out very terribly and not listening to strategic advice. | ||
| And they determined that a full-on U.S. involvement would lead to a gigantic war, likely involving a bunch of other countries, and it just couldn't be justified. | ||
| That's not a hard conclusion to come to. | ||
| I was going through the CIA's FOIA archive of documents about Mao and Chiang Kai-shek, and none of the stuff Alex is saying squares with any of the documents I can find. | ||
| However, I did find an August 4th, 1958 letter that Alan Dulles sent Chiang Kai-shek's wife, thanking her for sending him a box of tea. | ||
| So it seems like they were on friendly relations in 1958. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| It's weird if Alan Dulles was running the CIA that was trying to kill people working with him and put Mao into power, but whatever. | ||
| Hey, the job's the job, man. | ||
| It's not personal. | ||
| There's no kayfabe in civil wars. | ||
| You can share some tea with somebody, but when it comes down to it, the president says you gotta... | ||
| I even found a May 24th, 1962 memo that details, quote, a result of a check with the old China hands in the agency and the Department of State. | ||
| They found that, quote, the U.S. has always held that the GRC, the government of the nationalists, represents the legitimate government of China. | ||
| However, it also does say that in 1949 to 1950, quote, we did inform Chiang Kai-shek that the U.S. did not intend to become further involved in the Chinese Civil War. | ||
| Alex is making claims that I need to see more proof of, and the best he has is claiming it's in the books or it's been declassified, and that's not good enough. | ||
| I've heard him say a hundred times that kind of thing, and he's just making those things up. | ||
| I do believe that he read this stuff in John Birch Society. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I 100% believe that. | ||
| But that doesn't mean anything. | ||
| No. | ||
| What gives me no faith in this whole thing is his foggy memory of some CIA section chief on an unnamed show on either the Discovery Channel or History Channel that Alex saw 22 years ago. | ||
| Hey, you remember something whenever it's true, Dan. | ||
| That's how it works. | ||
| I have no idea if this alleged documentary exists, if it says what Alex thinks it does, or anything. | ||
| This is as good as providing no evidence, quite frankly. | ||
| All the information I can find about the CIA in the period around this time has to do with them doing covert actions to try and destabilize Mao's government. | ||
| So I really need Alex to cite some sources here. | ||
| A couple things that are concerning about his memory is that there's no such thing as a CIA section chief. | ||
| That's not a real title. | ||
| Is that just an FBI thing? | ||
| No, the title is Station Chief. | ||
| I hope he'd know that. | ||
| There was only one CIA station chief in China at that time. | ||
| So if Alex has seen evidence of this person saying they were trying to help Mao, it should be really fucking easy for him to know that person's name, have information about their career, have some corroborating evidence, anything. | ||
| But he doesn't. | ||
| All Alex has is probably a completely false memory about something he claims he saw on the Discovery Channel or History Channel two decades ago. | ||
| This is literally indistinguishable from not trying. | ||
| He might as well just say that he saw this history in a dream, and that would hold as much weight as this argument that he's making here. | ||
| I've got a sci-fi movie for you, buddy. | ||
| It's Ghost in the Shell, the Section 9 agency. | ||
| There are sections in the Japanese law enforcement. | ||
| Section 9 chief, Chief Aramaki, done, solved it. | ||
| That's where he got the idea from. | ||
| Loves Ghost in the Shell. | ||
| It's a great movie. | ||
| It's a great series. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| It's good stuff. | ||
| Doesn't help with our history. | ||
| I'm going to check that off on our movies list. | ||
| We've almost got bingo. | ||
| We've almost got bingo. | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| From what I can tell, here's what I think is going on with this kind of narrative. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Chiang Kai-shek was going to lose that war against Mao, and the U.S. knew that there were only two options in front of them. | ||
| One was letting the war play out and probably allowing the communist government to take power in China. | ||
| The other was becoming directly involved in the conflict, risking a wider war, and in a best-case scenario, installing Chiang Kai-shek and the nationalists into power by virtue of our military support. | ||
| Alex wants the U.S. of the past to do the latter, but he's also invested in a whole lot of his career in being the anti-intervention guy. | ||
| One of the only positions he's ever held that made people think he's not a total lunatic is a strong aversion to the Iraq war and all these wars of regime change. | ||
| I suspect that he knows that it would be impossible for him to argue against regime change wars that claim that the U.S. should have gotten directly involved in a country's civilisation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Instead of them retroactively calling for a war of regime change, they're really just against the secret regime change that actually was going on where the globalists were supporting Mao. | ||
| Ha ha! | ||
| That seems like what's going on, but honestly, I have no idea. | ||
| This could all just be stuff that Alex's dad told him when he was a kid. | ||
| I don't really know. | ||
| It's purely that right-wing playbook of like... | ||
| What I want to have, I have no historical consistency whatsoever. | ||
| So I am 100% against vaccines today. | ||
| And then you're like, well, what about the polio vaccine? | ||
| We're like, well, back then polio vaccines were great. | ||
| They solved everything. | ||
| I have to stop you. | ||
| Because later in this episode... | ||
| He does not say he's against the polio vaccine. | ||
| He might not. | ||
| A certain health ranger might. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| What?! | ||
| All right, well then I guess I'll have to give it up to him like the Somali pirates for some sort of consistency. | ||
| That's insane! | ||
| Yeah, even your parody example is unfortunately... | ||
| I'm trying to be insane! | ||
| Yeah, it's unfortunately invalidated by something that comes up later in this exact episode. | ||
| Nothing is beyond parody. | ||
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| So Alex said that he saw this stuff in the John Birch Society. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And I do believe that. | ||
| And he talks a little bit more about that here. | ||
| What is the John Birch Society? | ||
| I'm not even part of it, but everything I ever saw them writing them turned out to be accurate. | ||
| It wasn't. | ||
| John Birch was an army officer. | ||
| The CHICOMs captured him. | ||
| Our government knew. | ||
| They tortured him to death. | ||
| He didn't give up any of the secrets. | ||
| So, to be fair, you said that Alex's dad was in the John Birch Society, and we don't know that 100%. | ||
| Just that Alex has said that there were Birchers around, and it seems very likely that his dad was a Bircher. | ||
| It seems incredibly likely, but we don't have confirmation of that. | ||
| It could have just been that he had, like... | ||
| Uncles or his grandfather or friends of his dad's who were basically uncles. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| He had a lot of influence and his dad seems to have a lot of similar ideas as the John Burr Society. | ||
| I'm just saying that if you... | ||
| Give your son John Bircher reading material, regardless of whether or not you are an avowed John Bircher. | ||
| Oh, you're a Bircher. | ||
| It's dangerous to allow your kid to read something like that without the proper maturity. | ||
| It's so funny to hear Alex's clip there, though, when he's talking about these Birchers always being right. | ||
| Always right. | ||
| Well, I mean, considering the fact that just a few years ago, Alex was trying to pretend that he wasn't into the John Birch Society. | ||
| He knew that saying that he was into their shit would prove that he was a completely insane right-wing anti-communist lunatic, which would have hurt the crossover appeal that he was trying to cultivate in all those years when he was pretending he was above the left-right paradigm. | ||
| Don't gotta worry about that now. | ||
| All that time, he was lying. | ||
| He was a bircher the whole time, trying to push extreme right-wing shit under the banner of pretending to be above this... | ||
| I'm a libertarian! | ||
| The right-left, it's just a lie, man! | ||
| That's what they're doing to you! | ||
| In that sense, a lot of these people like Dave Rubin really owe their careers to Alex Jones. | ||
| He paved the way of that bullshit. | ||
| That fucking lying pretending to be above it all. | ||
| Yeah, fuck off. | ||
| However, it's hilarious to hear Alex say that everything the John Birch Society has put out is true. | ||
| I've read a lot of the JBS materials, and suffice it to say that almost none of it is true. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| I don't even have to get into any of their publications to demonstrate that. | ||
| The John Birch Society named themselves after John Birch, who they claimed was the first U.S. casualty of the Cold War. | ||
| Alex is saying that he was tortured and he didn't give up his secrets. | ||
| And that part definitely isn't true. | ||
| He was shot by a PLA army contingent on August 25, 1945, after refusing to disarm. | ||
| He wasn't captured. | ||
| He wasn't tortured. | ||
| He didn't give up his secrets. | ||
| Alex just made that up. | ||
| I was going to say, the funniest part about that is him saying John Bircher shit is true, and it's like, you didn't even get the truth of your own fucking name right! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nothing is true! | ||
| So, John Birch was definitely working in intelligence in China in 1945, which, doesn't that kind of mess up Alex's narrative about US intelligence working to install Mao? | ||
| Nope, stop it. | ||
| Doesn't that tend to imply that the guy the John Birch Society was named after was plotting to betray Chiang Kai-shek? | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| I encourage you not to think about it, because Alex certainly has not. | ||
| You just hurt my brain, Dan. | ||
| So, Lieutenant Colonel James Doolittle served with Birch in China, and I should tell you he's an actual Lieutenant Colonel, unlike the ones Alex makes up. | ||
| In his 2009 memoir, entitled I Could Never Be So Lucky Again, he had this to say about John Birch, who he knew personally. | ||
| Quote, He had no way of knowing that the John Birch Society, a highly vocal post-war anti-communist organization, would be named after him because its founders believed him to be the first casualty of World War III. | ||
| I feel sure he would not have approved. | ||
| John Birch is a thing to the John Birch Society, not a person. | ||
| He's taken on as their patron saint while he had no say in the matter, and according to someone who knew him, he probably would not be into it. | ||
| And then what Alex is doing is even worse. | ||
| He's created a fictional story about torture to apply to Birch to make the narrative better. | ||
| These people are ghouls. | ||
| They are awful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the lie is baked in to the John Birch Society. | ||
| From the beginning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't even need to get into any of their publications, their blue book or any of that shit. | ||
| No, absolutely. | ||
| I'm starting a group called the Mary Poppins Society because Mary Poppins was the first woman to murder 6,000 people in World War II. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| Yeah, did you know that? | ||
| I knew her, and I don't think she'd approve. | ||
| I'm pretty sure she would. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| What do you think that umbrella's for? | ||
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Murder. | |
| Fair enough. | ||
| She was the basis for the Penguin. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So the CIA put Mao into power, and also John Birch was a hero. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So Alex is talking a bit about this CIA shit, and he seems to think that the problem in the world and all of the troubles with the Trump administration, they all... | ||
| Are basically about Trump trying to get his people into the leadership. | ||
| And that's what's creating chaos. | ||
| Woof. | ||
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And this is stupid. | |
| The CIA is just the biggest intelligence agency. | ||
| It got all the funding to get rid of naval intelligence and army intelligence and all the rest of it. | ||
| And it get all the funding to then control and corral that and get its people in. | ||
| But as soon as the military realizes that, it's checkmate. | ||
| And now Trump's bringing his people into the CIA. | ||
| And that's why there's a giant civil war. | ||
| We're taking the government back. | ||
| We're on the march. | ||
| The empire on the run. | ||
| But the fight is now intensifying. | ||
| So get ready. | ||
| You can see here again that Alex doesn't not like the deep state. | ||
| He just wants it to be his deep state. | ||
| I want a better deep state. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've seen this time and time again when he ends up talking too loosely. | ||
| He ends up revealing that the New World Order is probably good as long as Trump's running it. | ||
| Or how he wants a one-world government. | ||
| Like, we should buy Greenland and all that shit. | ||
| Just as long as the one world government that's in place is led by the U.S. and Trump is in charge. | ||
| I hate COINTELPRO as long as they're targeting right-wing activists. | ||
| If they're killing Martin Luther King Jr., love COINTELPRO! | ||
| His pretend principles mean nothing. | ||
| Yelling about the institutional rot of intelligence agencies being in control of the government means nothing. | ||
| Because he wants the intelligence agencies to control the government, but only if his weirdos run the intelligence agency. | ||
| This is exactly why political projects of the sort that Alex and his ilk engage in will never lead to real change. | ||
| They scream about structural change, but all they want is the kind that puts them in charge of the structures. | ||
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| They want a superficial change only. | ||
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| That way they can destroy the structures and live. | ||
| I assume they become dukes? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Well, call Larry. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Also, since Trump's been in office, there have been three heads of the CIA appointed. | ||
| Merrow Park was the acting head for three days right at the beginning of the term. | ||
| And Gina Haspel has been in since May 2018. | ||
| Previous to Haspel, who Trump appointed, Trump appointed Mike Pompeo as the head of the CIA for a good 15 months before making him the Secretary of State. | ||
| Well, he had so much good practice as the head of the CIA, he was clearly ready for the promotion to the big leagues. | ||
| But the point is that Trump has clearly been able to put people in charge. | ||
| No! | ||
| That's what they want you to think, Dan! | ||
| Okay, but what about the Director of National Intelligence? | ||
| He's been killed for 30 years! | ||
| Well, there was Mike Dempsey, who was the acting head after Trump got rid of Clapper. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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And then Trump appointed Dan Coates, who was in the position for about two and a half years. | |
| And then we got two acting heads. | ||
| There was Joseph McGuire, who... | ||
| Trump appointed when Dan Coats left. | ||
| He was appointed because Trump didn't want the deputy director to take over, probably because he didn't trust her. | ||
| And then about five months later, Trump fired McGuire because one of his subordinates briefed the House Intel Committee about Russia's preference for Trump to win in 2020, which angered Trump because Trump is a baby. | ||
| Pretty sure Trump said, you had me at goodbye. | ||
| Then Trump replaced him with the former ambassador to Germany, Richard Grinnell. | ||
| In his time as ambassador, he was described by ABC News as, quote, viewed as one of President Donald Trump's closest envoys in Europe, which explains why he was involved in the negotiations to arrest Julian Assange, which Alex should not be thrilled with, but whatever. | ||
| Grinnell was literally the person who made a verbal pledge that if Assange was handed over, he wouldn't get the death penalty. | ||
| And this is one of Trump's closest allies who he appointed Director of National Intelligence. | ||
| Yeah, but at what cost? | ||
| At what cost? | ||
| That's all I got. | ||
| Trump has been nominating and appointing people to leadership positions in the intelligence community as any president would. | ||
| He happens to be appointing bad people, but that tends to create chaos. | ||
| And the picture that Alex wants to paint here is complete bullshit that tries to rewrite why the chaos is happening. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| I'm not going to argue they're all bad people. | ||
| There's no intelligence head that isn't a bad person. | ||
| Everybody Obama-appointed was a bad person. | ||
| It's just how it is. | ||
| That's a fair conversation, but also there are grades of bad. | ||
| I 100% agree. | ||
| I'm just not going to argue about that. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Fuck this. | ||
| Now, further, someone like Alex should recognize, like, I got really drunk at my CPEC speech and tried to lead the people in a pitchfork rally to free Julian Assange. | ||
| No problem. | ||
| And the guy who literally negotiated the arrest of Julian Assange, Trump rewarded with making the DNI. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, you're saying one thing, but let me counter with this. | ||
| No, and a different thing. | ||
| My point is that Alex doesn't know anything. | ||
| Also, the Office of Naval Intelligence still exists, and there have been two directors appointed in the time since Trump has been in office. | ||
| These aren't actually positions that the president appoints, but they are nominated by the defense secretary who is appointed by the president, so it kind of trickles down. | ||
| Also, army intelligence still exists. | ||
| It's a much wider entity, though. | ||
| But generally speaking, the U.S. Army Deputy Chief of Staff, G2, is considered the head of Army Intelligence. | ||
| Hey, Dan, Army Intelligence? | ||
| That's an oxymoron. | ||
| You get it? | ||
| Ah, yay, yay, yay! | ||
| That's a fucking dad joke. | ||
| Boom, boom, boom, boom! | ||
| Scott Berrier is currently in that position, and he's been there since January 2018, within the time Trump has been in office. | ||
| These things like naval intelligence and army intelligence still exist, and if Trump has had no problem appointing people into positions, like, if he wanted to, what are we doing? | ||
| This is all just made-up bullshit Alex is spouting because Trump is doing a terrible job, and he needs a justification for it. | ||
| It can't just be that Trump is profoundly stupid and a malicious person who's not equipped to be in office. | ||
| It has to be that everyone else is working against him, and he is, in fact, the only good person. | ||
| Again, to mirror things I said in Wednesday's Bill Cooper episode, this is childish. | ||
| This is very fucking childish. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It really is amazing how fucked up the human brain can be. | ||
| How many twists it can take to get to where it wants to go. | ||
| Because if you're even an uninformed person, you can't look at what Trump has done and go, that's a good human being. | ||
| It's just not possible. | ||
| And I'm not even talking as president. | ||
| I'm talking as a human. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just a human being. | ||
| If you know Trump's story, you're like, oh, well, that's a shit person. | ||
| Even if you retired after the, like, Apprentice, you'd be like, that guy sucks. | ||
| That guy's a piece of shit. | ||
| His catching phrase is, you're fired. | ||
| He sucked in Home Alone 2! | ||
| What else do you want? | ||
| He wasn't even Richie Rich. | ||
| I hate him. | ||
| He didn't have really a chance in Home Alone 2. He sucked at WrestleMania. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| That's his Hitler failed as a painter. | ||
| Hitler failed as a painter. | ||
| If Trump had the chance to really get a meaty role in Home Alone 2, we wouldn't be here. | ||
| Can I tell you what he really sucked at? | ||
| Taking a stunner. | ||
| Stone Cold gave him a stunner and he took it very poorly. | ||
| It was bad. | ||
| He's no rock, I'll tell you that. | ||
| Great at taking a stunner. | ||
| I really don't like you reminding me that the president is in the World Wrestling Hall of Fame. | ||
| I really don't like you reminding me of that. | ||
| We're there. | ||
| When Vince McMahon and his family went to the White House, there was a meme that was like, Stone Cold has stunned 60% of the people in this photo. | ||
| God, that's so fucked up. | ||
| Because he's giving a stutter to Vince, Shane McMahon, Linda McMahon, Stephanie, just not the children that are in the picture. | ||
| I was like, oh God. | ||
| That's a grim fucking reality. | ||
| That is a grim fucking reality. | ||
| This is a simulation, though. | ||
| We should stop worrying so much. | ||
| So anyway, Alex believes that the issue is that what Trump needs to do is he needs to come out and very strongly endorse that everybody take hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, a Z-Pak, and everything will be cool. | ||
| Counter, that's a bad idea. | ||
| Well... | ||
| People are learning. | ||
| Just as Mike Adams said when he was on a few days ago, he said, the good news is... | ||
| If Trump just promotes Z-Pak and hydroxychloroquine and zinc, like the medical doctors are saying all over the world, China, Europe, Mexico, everywhere, incredible recovery rate. | ||
| So Alex is saying there are these studies out of Europe, China, and Mexico claiming super high recovery rates from hydroxychloroquine being used to treat coronavirus, and he needs to be more careful. | ||
| The study from Europe he's talking about was that French study, and this study should absolutely not be seen as conclusive for anything. | ||
| For one, it only included 42 patients in the trials, and six of them did not complete the study, with one dying in the middle of treatment. | ||
| Of the 42 patients, 26 were given hydroxychloroquine, 6 were given hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, and 10 were the control group. | ||
| All six of the patients who could not complete the trial were in the group that were given hydroxychloroquine, but only one was thought to have been unable to complete it because of a drug interaction. | ||
| So maybe some of that is just circumstantial, but because the sample is so small and the controls aren't good, you don't know. | ||
| It doesn't mean anything. | ||
| The six patients who were given the combined drugs were all said to have recovered in five days, but the study is super dicey. | ||
| For one, the small number of participants is not great. | ||
| And the fact that they don't address those six patients who couldn't complete the trial is unnerving. | ||
| They just don't address it? | ||
| Well, they don't give specifics into what was going on with it. | ||
| It's not really factored in well to the explanation of... | ||
| Well, it should screw up their numbers really badly. | ||
| The fact that they only provided data on the patients for seven days when the trial was supposed to have been 14 is also a huge problem for people who have looked into it. | ||
| Ah, that's a good sign! | ||
| There were a lot of problems with this study, and it became even more troubling when the peer-review status was examined. | ||
| It was accepted by the journal The Register the day after the study was supposed to have ended, which is very suspicious. | ||
| As it turns out, one of the co-authors of the study is the editor-in-chief of that journal. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| So it appears that what happened was rushed through the process and published as peer-reviewed, possibly prematurely. | ||
| This study may be interesting to repeat with more rigorous standards and a larger randomized set of participants, but from everything I can tell, you should not take this specific finding too seriously. | ||
| There are way too many unanswered questions about the study for it to be like, okay. | ||
| That's so infuriating. | ||
| Why would you do that now? | ||
| Why would you release a study with only 40 some odd patients? | ||
| I think for the sake of, um, like... | ||
| Actual people in the medical field. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It is worthwhile data. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| And I don't know enough about the person who did this study to say that they were using it wrongly. | ||
| Maybe their intention was just to give this information as possibly hastily gathered together as it was to people who could then recreate the experiment. | ||
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| It does serve that function. | ||
| I mean, this is one of the downsides of the interconnectedness of the internet. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And the free... | ||
| Quick flow of information. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's a lot of stuff that's not meant for your eyes and can only be a problem for you to see. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But other people need to see it. | ||
| Other doctors, other scientists could make use of it. | ||
| It's just that the editor-in-chief also helped write the study. | ||
| It ended a week early and the day after. | ||
| It might not have ended a week early. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| The data that's provided on the write-up. | ||
| It's seven days, not 14 days. | ||
| And then it was rushed through. | ||
| It just seems like that's too glaring a thing to allow to happen. | ||
| I don't need the context or the results of the study. | ||
| I just need to know that. | ||
| I'm like, I can't trust you. | ||
| I just can't. | ||
| The way that I think is the most appropriate to look at it is there's a lot of questions. | ||
| It's not necessarily evidence of malfeasance from the things that I've been able to tell. | ||
| But there are questions that need to be addressed. | ||
| Before, you know, you want to really look at this. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And for Alex to take it as, like, gospel is really troubling. | ||
| Right, for sure. | ||
| And I'm not arguing, like, again, maybe the results of the study are right on, and maybe everything was followed to a T. It's possible. | ||
| But there's too many different things around there that say, I can't trust this. | ||
| And so it's not that I'm going to dismiss the findings out of hand, but it's like... | ||
| I'm not even going to pretend those matter until I have something else. | ||
| Well, they're interesting, and you should, like, there are data points that are worthwhile. | ||
| But I think when we get to the end of this little chunk that I have to present for you, you'll understand a little bit why some of this information might come out in the way that it does. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So as for the study from China, it's a worse example. | ||
| This was a study that was published by the Journal of Beijing University in China, and the conclusion it reached was that hydroxychloroquine was as effective as no treatment. | ||
| Two was a really small study of only 30 patients. | ||
| 15 were given the drug, and after a week, 13 tested negative. | ||
| Of the 15 who weren't given the drug, 14 tested negative after a week. | ||
| The conclusion in the paper was deemed not statistically significant, and further studies were required to determine if there was any real benefit there. | ||
| Another not-yet-peer-reviewed study out of China of 62 patients did find a decreased time of recovery in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine, but this is unreviewed, and it should not be taken as definitive as of yet. | ||
| And again, it's only 62 patients. | ||
| So I can find no study out of Mexico. | ||
| As Alex is claiming, that hydroxychloroquine can cure coronavirus. | ||
| However, if you just Google those words, you'll find a posting on clinicaltrials.gov, which is recruiting patients for a double-blind study being put on by the National Institute of Respiratory Diseases in Mexico. | ||
| According to the posting, the study is supposed to begin on March 23, 2020, but would not complete until March 22, 2021. | ||
| The results of these trials will likely be far more illuminating than the small-scale studies we have access to at this point, but the results are a ways off in the future. | ||
| There's no way Alex could know the results of this study, but if he was just reading headlines, he might see something about a study about hydroxychloroquine in Mexico and just make up the rest. | ||
| Just toss it in there. | ||
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| Now, but this Mexico study is actually kind of, like, demonstrative of what I was saying. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| To do a real trial like this would take that long. | ||
| So the data would never really be... | ||
| You'd never have the preliminary data that people are maybe needing in order to form other trials to do. | ||
| If you did it, like this rigorous standards with a large group of participants and randomization, double blind, all the standards. | ||
| The only study coming out of Mexico right now is how long it takes for AMLO to get coronavirus the way he's going. | ||
| That guy is insane. | ||
| That's an interesting study. | ||
| Are you conducting that? | ||
| Well, we're all conducting it. | ||
| He's just not doing anything. | ||
| AMLO is still traveling around, flying commercially as much as possible, denying that the situation is happening. | ||
| Shaking hands, doing the whole thing. | ||
| It's amazing how insane he is. | ||
| So these three countries, or I guess Europe's not a country, but the three places that he said there's studies from, these are the specific things that he's talking about. | ||
| One is that French study that's dubious, but possible. | ||
| There needs to be more work done on that before you can draw any kind of conclusions. | ||
| The Chinese study, the first one, said... | ||
| It's as good as nothing. | ||
| And then the other one that more recently came out from China is not peer-reviewed and is unclear. | ||
| And the Mexico one hasn't even happened. | ||
| Well, it's in the middle of it, apparently, at this point. | ||
| You have no results from that. | ||
| Alex doesn't have anything to back any of this up, and he's just a dick. | ||
| Anyway, but Trump needs to say, everyone take this. | ||
| Oh, well, of course. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So Alex has Mike Adams on because his projections have always been accurate. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay, so a month ago, they were talking about $80,000. | ||
| Your original projection was at $80,000. | ||
| Original projection was everyone. | ||
| Before that, then they went to $100,000 to $200,000. | ||
| Now they're at $250,000. | ||
| Mike, give us the latest and why they're starting to up the numbers after lowering them before. | ||
| Well, they're following the mathematics of where this goes. | ||
| This is deeply gaslighting. | ||
| Mike should have been like, you know what? | ||
| No. | ||
| I was off early. | ||
| Just a little bit! | ||
| I said most of the human race would not survive. | ||
| Just a little bit. | ||
| Just walk it back a little bit. | ||
| You don't have to walk it back a ton. | ||
| Just be like, look, I was a little bit out of line at first. | ||
| I was panicking like everybody else. | ||
| And so I went back and I checked the numbers, and I think it's more in line with what the CD says. | ||
| Yeah, it's okay to say that. | ||
| It's not hard. | ||
| I'm more than willing to admit that I didn't take the situation nearly as seriously in, let's say, January as I am now, and that's because I had blind faith in the system. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| No matter how often we are disabused of that notion, somehow there's still a like... | ||
| Someday, there will be adults in the room, and there just are not. | ||
| I had a misguided belief that, like, yes, this could be pretty bad, but I have faith in the public health officials, and everyone will make the right decisions, and nope, apparently not. | ||
| So, that's fine. | ||
| You could admit that some of your assumptions turned out to not be accurate, and that's okay. | ||
| And Mike refuses to do that. | ||
| It's not just okay. | ||
| It's a good thing that leads to growth. | ||
| Yeah, perhaps. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Mike's projection is now 45 to 90,000. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But he has a solution. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And my projections are currently between 45 and 90,000 deaths by the end of July. | ||
| The White House is currently estimating 100,000 to 240,000. | ||
| But look. | ||
| Alex, the solution is right in front of us. | ||
| The solution, I am convinced now, is more masks, more zinc for everybody, vitamin D3, and more testing. | ||
| I believe with those four elements in place, I mean nationwide emergency production of zinc and give it out for free to everybody, flood the country with zinc, with proper recommendations for proper dosing, I think we could get America back to work by the end of April. | ||
| These guys are going to fuck around and give people heavy metal poisoning. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Here's my problem. | ||
| I would prefer it if he stuck with it's the end of humanity. | ||
| Because now that he's going on this tip, I'm more afraid that it's the end of humanity. | ||
| Like when he's like, I think it'll be between 45 and 90,000 if we get all these testing and all these masks. | ||
| The thing that I said two weeks ago, we don't need to do. | ||
| We're all gonna die, but now we're gonna be fine and all that shit. | ||
| Now I'm worried. | ||
| That's an interesting reaction that you're having to the health ranger. | ||
| I also want to put him in the stocks and have people throw tomatoes at him forever. | ||
| That's not an interesting reaction. | ||
| That's very normal. | ||
| That seems right. | ||
| So, you've got to get all this zinc. | ||
| Now, what's interesting to me about this is that Mike is presenting this as a very, just like, this is my research, scholarly opinion, as if Alex hadn't been doing recently an ad pitch constantly about zinc. | ||
| In the real red pill, one of the products that he sells. | ||
| I didn't even know that zinc was important. | ||
| Dan, how did they come to that conclusion independently of each other, Dan? | ||
| It's just so constantly, like, just zinc. | ||
| Zinc. | ||
| Zinc is the answer. | ||
| Zinc is the answer. | ||
| But they're not talking about it being in Alex's products. | ||
| And I think that's intentional. | ||
| Oh, do you think so? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Are they sick of getting letters from attorneys general, Dan? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| But anyway, the real issue is that doctors, you know, those doctors that are doctors who have degrees. | ||
| The totally real doctors who are also lieutenant colonels in the military? | ||
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| Doctor doctors. | ||
| Doctor doctors. | ||
| Yeah, gotcha. | ||
| Like ones you might meet at a hospital. | ||
| Oh, sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Problem with their education, Jordan? | ||
| They don't know about zinc. | ||
| That's the problem is they don't teach, as you know, medical doctors with degrees. | ||
| More than a few weeks on nutrition. | ||
| I've talked to a lot of nutritionists. | ||
| I'm getting different numbers. | ||
| But I've talked to a few medical doctors and they tell me they're looking into it too. | ||
| But a lot of doctors are saying 250 milligrams if you already have it daily, which over time could be toxic for the kidneys. | ||
| That's what they say. | ||
| A lot of other people say, well, maybe take 50 to 100 milligrams a day. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| 25 milligrams a day and eating healthy foods. | ||
| And I think that's all you need, really. | ||
| I mean, maybe people who are deficient could take more, but most people are getting almost zero. | ||
| And so there's a chronic zinc deficiency in the population. | ||
| And I think, really, this COVID-19 disease is really a chronic zinc deficiency disease that is exposed by a virus, which otherwise would not be very harmful to people. | ||
| Big swing. | ||
| Wow, that is a big swing. | ||
| Yeah, so it's a zinc deficiency that everyone seems to have. | ||
| Like, honestly. | ||
| Look, zinc isn't in everything, but there's a lot of fucking foods that have zinc in it. | ||
| I can't stress this enough. | ||
| What's interesting there is Mike is saying, what I do is I take this. | ||
| That's a testimonial. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's fine, legally. | ||
| Technically. | ||
| But this really feels like they're trying to sell zinc. | ||
| It really feels like, hold on. | ||
| It might be because they are. | ||
| It really, it's insane. | ||
| Folks, it's called essential. | ||
| You don't have zinc, you die in about four or five months, okay? | ||
| I'll look the numbers up. | ||
| Same thing with vitamin C. It's called scurvy, okay? | ||
| And scurvy's made a comeback because some people don't get any real vitamin C. Mike Adams is our guest, naturalnews.com. | ||
| He'll be covering all this in detail. | ||
| As far as scurvy goes, don't call it a comeback. | ||
| Scurvy! | ||
| Scurvy is not a comeback disease. | ||
| It's just people who stop eating vitamin C disease. | ||
| You can find headlines like one that I found from 2018. | ||
| Quote, scurvy is back. | ||
| But then you look and you read the article and it's about two patients. | ||
| In the saddle again! | ||
| There are people with malnutrition that may come down with scurvy, but the numbers aren't nearly what Alex wants you to think. | ||
| Scurvy is making a comeback. | ||
| And the solution is always eat an orange. | ||
| Zinc deficiency can definitely be bad for people, but also most people get enough zinc, as long as their diets include red meat and poultry. | ||
| If you're a vegetarian, peas, almonds, and baked beans will give you plenty of zinc, or you could take a multivitamin, many of which contain zinc. | ||
| The more these dudes talk, the more I think that this is basically an unspoken sales pitch for the real red pill, Alex's supplement with zinc. | ||
| I think that Alex knows that if he makes it too overt, he's going to get another letter. | ||
| So he's just hyper-promoting zinc as the answer to the coronavirus and trusting that his listeners will put two and two together. | ||
| I did the sales pitch for the fact that Real Red Pill has zinc in it in the past. | ||
| That was a different episode. | ||
| In order for the attorney general to make an argument that I'm doing this, they need to use multiple episodes and I can argue that in court. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| It feels like that's the logic that's going on. | ||
| It only happened a few times and now I've changed up my primary sales method to strongly winking at the crowd. | ||
| I do also keep using testimonial things. | ||
| Like, Alex keeps saying, like, I take this, as opposed to saying, like, it's good for black. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It seems very intentional. | ||
| These guys are so fucking shitty. | ||
| And honestly, I wouldn't even be that suspicious about it, except for this thing that Mike says. | ||
| I don't even have any zinc to sell. | ||
| I'm not selling zinc. | ||
| I don't know if InfoWars has zinc in their store. | ||
| Oh, for fuck's sake. | ||
| A minor ingredient in a multivitamin mineral formula, possibly. | ||
| I don't even know. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I'm just telling you, zinc is, I believe, zinc is the key to getting America back to work, which can save the economy, save the upcoming elections, so we can have elections, so we can have a free society. | ||
| We need to end the lockdowns even from a liberty point of view, but we need to embrace nutrition, which means we need knowledge, and we have to end the Big Pharma stranglehold over our systems. | ||
| Big Pharma runs the media. | ||
| Big Pharma runs Washington, D.C. Sure, fine. | ||
| Big Pharma runs the medical schools and the doctors and the universities. | ||
| And they want this to be as bad as possible so that they can position the drug companies and the vaccine companies as the saviors in the end. | ||
| They want this to get as bad as possible, have as much suffering and death as possible. | ||
| And that's why they're publicly fighting to even block medical doctors from old cheap drugs that work great, like hydroxychloroquine. | ||
| But the good news is they failed to suppress that treatment. | ||
| Well, that's right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Alright, Health Ranger. | ||
| I don't even sell a product with zinc in it. | ||
| I've never even seen the Matrix, so I wouldn't know that if there was a product with zinc in it, it would be referencing the Matrix. | ||
| And I definitely don't know if you, Alex Jones, the InfoWars host, actually sell a product that is based on this with also the red pill. | ||
| And I'm not... | ||
| Did I even say red pill? | ||
| I didn't say red pill. | ||
| You said red pill. | ||
| I wish that I listened to the episodes where Mike hosts... | ||
| I guarantee I could have found some audio of him selling the real red pill by talking about there being zinc. | ||
| 100%! | ||
| Zero doubt in my mind! | ||
| I believe that he doesn't sell a zinc product, but I don't believe that he's oblivious of the fact that Alex has been really trying to push the real red pill because of it having zinc in it. | ||
| It seems just kind of ludicrous. | ||
| So, they're really, you know, the angle is very strongly in the pushing hydroxychloroquine, which is an unproven treatment. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, what makes this really difficult as a pill to swallow, pun intended, is that Alex is also trying to pair this with narratives about when they make a vaccine, it'll hurt you. | ||
| It'll be an unproven vaccine. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's almost like two narratives that should not exist within the same brain. | ||
| You guys, give me that article. | ||
| I saw an article a month ago by a major virologist headline, you know, be careful, the vaccine will probably kill more people than the actual, and we had that with the swine flu shot in the 70s. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| So you have the warnings about medical applications for things that aren't thoroughly tested and aren't ready to go. | ||
| Meanwhile, strong promotion of FDA. | ||
| Only emergency approved medication. | ||
| When, like, Alex shouldn't be promoting this if it's a prescription pill. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Or he should be saying constantly, like, talk to your doctor. | ||
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It's confusing to me. | |
| Ideologically, I want testing available for everyone. | ||
| I want the eventual vaccine available for everyone. | ||
| I want treatment available for everyone. | ||
| But when I listen to Alex Jones, sometimes I'm like, what if the rest of us just covered our eyes for a little bit and then in a few months they're gone? | ||
| Like, it's that kind of fury that I have at this liar. | ||
| I want to save his life, and he is actively trying to kill himself and his listeners, Dan. | ||
| It's infuriating. | ||
| It is infuriating. | ||
| It's a trial of empathy and pointless understanding. | ||
| It really is! | ||
| Yes, and it gets worse because in this next clip is where Mike gets into polio trutherism. | ||
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| How? | ||
| There's not a thing! | ||
| It's pretty bad. | ||
| In fact, the way to beat the vaccine industry, Alex, is to get the word out about zinc and get America healthy and back to work again before the vaccine even comes into existence so they can't fudge the numbers and claim the vaccine caused the virus to go away like they did with polio. | ||
| It was all a lie. | ||
| You know, the vaccine didn't do anything. | ||
| The vaccine actually introduced more polio to the world. | ||
| And in fact, the number one cause of polio today is the polio vaccine. | ||
| They're going to do the same thing with coronavirus if we give them a chance. | ||
| So we've got to get the word out about zinc, vitamin D3, hydroxychloroquine, and masks. | ||
| Masks are the key. | ||
| From now on, anybody riding on public transportation for the next few years needs to wear a mask. | ||
| I know it's trouble, but look, there's going to be fashion masks coming out. | ||
| There's going to be cool-looking masks. | ||
| There's going to be bandana masks, all kinds of stuff. | ||
| Oh, shit, it is over for you, man. | ||
| Your shoes or wearing pants. | ||
| Your mask will be like a pants. | ||
| It's over for humanity. | ||
| So it's really fucking easy for the health ranger Mike Adams to sit here in 2020 and say that the polio vaccine didn't do anything. | ||
| But I think his tone would be a little fucking different if you were over 70 years old and lived through the period prior to the advent of that vaccine. | ||
| It's hard to remember this because most of us have lived our entire lives in the post-polio era. | ||
| But people were straight up terrified of polio for good reason. | ||
| In 1894, the first outbreak of polio occurred in Vermont and caught doctors, well maybe not in the world, but recorded in the United States, and it caught doctors completely flat-footed. | ||
| 18 people died and 132 were left permanently paralyzed. | ||
| At the time, people were fairly clueless about the origin of the disease and concluded, based on preliminary information, like things like observing family members not getting sick when one was, that they decided it wasn't contagious. | ||
| Smart! | ||
| Eleven years later, Swedish scientist Ivar Wickman discovered that polio was in fact communicable and that people could have it without developing the severe version, which often led to death or paralysis. | ||
| In 1916, a major outbreak struck New York, leaving over 2,000 dead in New York City. | ||
| Cases spread across the country with a death toll reaching about 6,000 and also leaving thousands more paralyzed permanently. | ||
| For decades, scientists are trying to figure out a vaccine to no avail. | ||
| It was just the thing that people lived with. | ||
| The awareness of a terrifying disease that could kill you, leave you paralyzed, or put you into an iron lung. | ||
| The March of Dimes was created as a way of funding medical research into a cure or vaccine. | ||
| And through the contributions of millions of folks, they did make some progress. | ||
| In 1952, there were over 57,000 polio cases in the United States, with over 21,000 of them resulting in paralysis. | ||
| Naturally, with those kinds of numbers, people were pretty anxious for a cure. | ||
| And a few years later, Jonas Salk would conclude his trials, leading to the introduction of the first polio vaccine. | ||
| Immediately, from 1955 to 1957... | ||
| The most polio cases that... | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| The polio rate in the United States dropped between 85% and 90%. | ||
| Albert Sabin would come along a few years later with an improved vaccine that could be taken orally, and then polio was essentially eradicated in the country. | ||
| The last naturally occurring case was said to have happened in 1979, but it wasn't an Amish community, and I don't mean that to say that Amish are more likely to be anti-vaccinated, but because of the secluded nature, sometimes communities are more under-vaccinated. | ||
| Not opposition to vaccine, underserved. | ||
| Isolated. | ||
| Many of the people who had polio but survived, they come down with post-polio syndrome, and people with PPS make up one of the largest blocks of person. | ||
| The landscape of disability rights would be a lot different without a lot of the activists in the polio survivor community. | ||
| From Ed Roberts, the founder of the World Institute on Disability, who got polio at 14 and had to be in an iron lung. | ||
| To Judith Heumann, who lived basically her whole life with polio, eventually becoming Bill Clinton's Assistant Secretary for Education and Rehabilitative Services. | ||
| What Mike is engaging in here is a shocking and offensive erasure of millions of people's experience. | ||
| His whole the polio vaccine created more cases of polio shtick is just him misrepresenting what's known as the Cutter incident. | ||
| In 1955, a number of recently vaccinated children were coming down with polio and paralysis of the arm where the vaccine was given to them. | ||
| When the cases were investigated, they were found that they traced back to Cutter Laboratory. | ||
| It was awful, and I'm not minimizing the experience of the hundreds of people who were affected by the fuck-up, but this was a lab issue, not a vaccine issue. | ||
| People were producing the vaccine. | ||
| They were not correctly preparing it, and in the process, the virus itself was not being fully inactivated. | ||
| This hurt public confidence in the vaccine itself, and it's used to this day by anti-vax weirdos like Mike to try and claim that the vaccine gives you the disease when it was a function of... | ||
| If people had been more careful, and actually that led to a lot of conversations about regulation of production of medical stuff. | ||
| Well, if you want to try and rewrite FDR's legacy on the New Deal, naturally you have to rewrite FDR's legacy on the fucking having polio. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, these people are insane. | ||
| So there's one other thing that Mike could be referencing, but he'd also be lying about it. | ||
| So Jordan, I don't know if you know this. | ||
| But there's a condition that's called circulating vaccine-derived polio virus. | ||
| Oh, I do know that. | ||
| That's the thing that I'm fully aware of. | ||
| It sounds like you're not. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's super fascinating. | ||
| And honestly, the more you know about it, the better an argument it is to vaccinate your children. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm in. | ||
| So in 2017, mostly because the number of naturally occurring polio cases was very small, there were actually more cases of vaccine-derived polio virus. | ||
| So here's how this works. | ||
| When you get a vaccine, you're getting a weakened version of that disease put into your body so you can create an immune response to it, which will give you an immunity. | ||
| Sometimes, but not always. | ||
| Well, yeah, fine. | ||
| This is the case with this polio vaccine, but if you get the vaccine, it's not you who could get vaccine-derived polio virus. | ||
| It's unvaccinated people around you. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| So in the time that the weakened virus is inside you, creating the immune response, you can end up excreting the virus. | ||
| It is communicable. | ||
| In the case, well, not always, but it can be. | ||
| Not always, but yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| In the case that you're in a population that is under-vaccinated, that virus could end up getting picked up by someone who hasn't been vaccinated. | ||
| This person will likely be fine, because it's just the weakened version of the polio virus, and they'll ultimately end up creating an immunity to it as well most of the time. | ||
| However... | ||
| If the population you're in is super under-vaccinated, it just might be that this virus can jump from person to person for a long time, and in the process, mutate back into the form of polio virus that can cause serious problems like paralysis. | ||
| The World Health Organization estimates that this process takes at least 12 months. | ||
| And between 2000 and 2017, in that 17-year span, this occurred 24 times in the entire world, and it led to 760 cases of vaccine-derived polio virus. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| But that's compared to the estimated 13 million cases that vaccination programs had prevented. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| That's not a trade-off, Dan. | ||
| I'm not willing to make that trade-off. | ||
| Also, this is only an issue with the orally administered vaccine. | ||
| It's not the case for injected, which is what's used in the United States. | ||
| So it's not even relevant to our lives here necessarily. | ||
| But the vaccine-derived polio virus is fascinating that that's how it works. | ||
| That is. | ||
| That it can only really be a problem. | ||
| If there are a ton of people who are unvaccinated that can trade the harmless virus to each other. | ||
| To the point where it can mutate. | ||
| Yeah, that is that herd immunity concept. | ||
| God, I just don't understand people who can honestly argue against vaccinating their kids. | ||
| It has to be... | ||
| Look, I mean, not honestly. | ||
| I mean, I get that people believe the anti-vax bullshit. | ||
| I get that they believe it. | ||
| But the arguing of it seems insane to me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you believe it, just say that you think it causes autism or whatever it is your bullshit is and stop there. | ||
| The idea of arguing with me is insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| It seems, especially when you're the health ranger. | ||
| Yeah, it's sovereign citizen bullshit. | ||
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But for health. | |
| You go into a courtroom and you're like... | ||
| I got this, lawyers. | ||
| You think you can argue with a disease? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| So when Mike says that there are more cases of polio that come from vaccines, that's what he's talking about. | ||
| He wants you to imagine a doctor giving you a shot that's going to give you polio, but they claim it's medicine. | ||
| But the reality is much different. | ||
| Ultimately, what I want to say is a big fuck you to Mike Adams. | ||
| Polio was and is real, and the vaccine has saved countless people in this country and around the world from paralysis and death. | ||
| Infinite. | ||
| Countless people. | ||
| People who have survived it. | ||
| I would beg anyone who's interested, go watch some documentaries about polio survivors. | ||
| Hear their stories. | ||
| What Mike's doing is outrageous. | ||
| And all that motherfucker Mike Adams has ever given the world is a dumbass Ebola cure that would definitely give you Ebola. | ||
| A couple of embarrassing rap songs and this shit. | ||
| It's over for humanity. | ||
| There will only be lone survivors. | ||
| Go fuck yourself, Mike Adams. | ||
| Seriously. | ||
| He's got to be stopped. | ||
| He's strongly making an argument for himself as being the worst. | ||
| He is! | ||
| He really is! | ||
| Alex will always have the grandfathered position of the worst. | ||
| But that number two spot is constantly changing. | ||
| It's really close. | ||
| As Alex has allowed more Holocaust deniers in, they've certainly taken precedence. | ||
| And Steve... | ||
| Might always be in the number two spot, but Mike's making a great case for himself. | ||
| We're in a situation where we're past, like, obviously the law can't help us here, but if we had somebody to take Mike to Arkham Asylum, it would be okay. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| I'm against vigilante justice. | ||
| But Arkham Asylum is a different situation. | ||
| You had a lot of downtime. | ||
| Somebody's gotta stop the Joker. | ||
| Somebody's gotta stop the Joker. | ||
| I feel like you're gonna... | ||
| Your girlfriend's condo is going to have a cave in it soon. | ||
| If only we had a butler. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I'm free. | ||
| You would be a great Alfred. | ||
| I think I could be Alfred. | ||
| Yeah, you'd give me all kinds of targets and all this stuff, and you'd be like, Jordan, don't do that. | ||
| I'm not good with tech, though, right? | ||
| I would never do that. | ||
| Alfred has some tech sensibilities, too. | ||
| He does have a little bit, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's going to be a problem for me. | ||
| All right, well, we tried. | ||
| Anyway, Mike is pushing really hard that everybody's got to get these masks. | ||
| And great. | ||
| I guess that's fine. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Say nothing else, though. | ||
| Say only people who need masks. | ||
| Well, unfortunately, they have to keep talking. | ||
| And they start discussing how Snopes and the government are saying, don't take masks. | ||
| Don't use the masks. | ||
| The truth is, the government's going to have to change what they've said about masks, because the Surgeon General Adams had said, stop buying masks. | ||
| And so, because the government... | ||
| Agencies had disinformation about masks. | ||
| They're going to now have to reverse that and teach people, no, masks are good, masks actually work. | ||
| Oh, yeah, they've got Snopes saying you don't need masks, even though it's on record. | ||
| That's what doctors wear, and they're effective. | ||
| But Snopes is God. | ||
| They said no. | ||
| In fact, Snopes still says hydroxychloroquine's not good. | ||
| Well, you know, again, we're fighting the disinformation agents of the world, which are mostly globalists. | ||
| Do you think that Mike Adams is mad that the Surgeon General is technically a health ranger named Adams? | ||
| I think he's mad that Stevie Pease doesn't know that we have a Surgeon General. | ||
| I mean, that was only, like, a month ago. | ||
| That Alex and Steve were like, Trump needs to install it. | ||
| There's no Surgeon Generals! | ||
| We're all gonna die! | ||
| And to that extent, I guess they're learning. | ||
| You know, you gotta give it up for them for that. | ||
| If it is true that the Surgeon General is putting out disinformation about whether or not masks are helpful for people who don't have the virus, then there's only one person you should talk to about that, and it's the person who appointed him and could replace him at any time, and that's your goddamn... | ||
| Deep State! | ||
| On March 2nd, Surgeon General Jerome Adams tweeted, quote, Seriously, people, stop buying masks. | ||
| They're not effective in preventing general public from catching coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can't get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk. | ||
| Then, on April 2nd, there was a headline from CNBC, quote, In a U-turn, U.S. Surgeon General asks CDC to see if face masks can prevent coronavirus spread after all. | ||
| No matter what the reality of the situation is, you kind of see how inept the people Trump surrounds himself with are, and how you can't really rely on them for good messaging. | ||
| It's just such an obvious thing that we're living through right now. | ||
| When we get past this, and we're all again capable of congregating, these people need to face charges. | ||
| They just need to face charges. | ||
| Like, it is by their bungling of the system directly that many more people are going to die. | ||
| Them, specifically, and their actions have killed people. | ||
| That is, I don't know how other to describe that than as a crime, a murder, and they should face charges for that. | ||
| That's that! | ||
| It's not hard! | ||
| Spiritually, I don't disagree with you. | ||
| Functionally, I don't know what that looks like. | ||
| No idea, but that's just what should happen. | ||
| So, the big issue that I... | ||
| Leaving that aside. | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| Because I don't know what to do with that. | ||
| We're not going to win that fight today. | ||
| And I don't think we'll ever be able to sit here and be like, alright, here's step one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Get several million people together in the same place. | ||
| So, the issue that I have with Mike is that he's framing the situation with the masks incorrectly. | ||
| There's a whole lot of debate about whether or not normal surgical masks are going to be helpful in stopping you from being exposed to the virus, particularly if you're in close proximity with someone who's sick and coughing. | ||
| Those masks do not create an airtight seal on your face, so if the virus is emitted in a way that can be transmitted through the air, it'll just come around the side of the mask. | ||
| It's not yet clear that this is the means by which the virus is primarily or even largely transmitted, but if it is, then the masks won't really help with that. | ||
| However, they are very helpful if you're already sick, as they will be pretty effective at catching droplets on the way out of your mouth. | ||
| People who are sick should wear masks if they're out in public. | ||
| That is definitely true. | ||
| And if it's the case that people can be contagious when they're asymptomatic, which looks like it may be the case, then it would make sense for people to wear masks just in case. | ||
| The focus of Mike's angle is wrong, though. | ||
| If you're promoting people wearing masks for their own scent, like, as a self-defense mechanism, that's nonsensical. | ||
| It really only makes sense as a public health measure, which seems... | ||
| I'm against public health! | ||
| I don't know if he's against it, but it seems to not be at all the way he's presenting this information, as you should wear masks because it'll make it less likely you give something to someone else, which should be the messaging. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What his messaging is is the same as the fucking chloroquine situation, where it's like, All you're going to do right now, because we don't have enough resources, is draw a large number of people who have a large amount of resources into buying masks, keeping them out of the hands of people who don't have the resources to get them, and then we wind up in a worse-off situation. | ||
| Quite likely. | ||
| It's fucking infuriating. | ||
| I'm an idiot! | ||
| And I see this! | ||
| So there's a great piece in The Atlantic by Ed Yong that just came out about the mask issue, and there's a lot of nuance to it. | ||
| The medical necessity of wearing masks is not really a consensus, but there are a lot of side issues. | ||
| There are positives to the idea of universal mask wearing, like decreasing the stigma that someone would feel wearing a mask if they are sick. | ||
| And the kind of signaling that it makes that the public is taking the disease seriously. | ||
| But there are also downsides, like the fact that most people don't know how to wear masks, and they often end up constantly adjusting and touching their masks, which ultimately leads them to touch their face more, which is one of the main things you're trying not to do. | ||
| It's more complicated as a picture than just saying everyone should wear masks, and then being like, I'm the health ranger, I did a great job, Alex, give me a check. | ||
| What's less up for discussion is that there aren't enough masks to go around right now. | ||
| So any advice that involves saying that they're essential and the definite solution here is probably not going to be great. | ||
| If medical workers are having a difficult time finding masks, then it's not a great idea to encourage everyone to continue buying up masks unless you're also able to simultaneously seriously boost the immediate supply of said masks. | ||
| One thing that I find very interesting is that there's no part of Infowars' model that can really thrive in the context of rational consumption. | ||
| Everything needs to be pitched in a way that's likely to create runs on products. | ||
| Alex sells his food buckets by saying everyone's out of food, which is meant to cause a hyperinflation of demand. | ||
| Alex has reported on chloroquine as a documented miracle cure, and we've seen how shortages of the drug has popped up. | ||
| In this episode alone, Mike is saying that the country needs to be flooded with zinc and that everybody needs to be wearing masks, which if everyone took his gospel would absolutely lead to runs on both products. | ||
| I'm not saying that these dudes are causing these runs, but their business model is really only built to be profitable when they're able to exploit and ride those waves. | ||
| And I think that's something that's worth pointing out and something that maybe isn't all that clear except when you're in these situations. | ||
| Yeah, it does. | ||
| That is a really, really good point because, yeah, it seems like they exist only to prop up bubbles and then float to the next one. | ||
| Like, they sit on top of the bubble, it explodes, and by the time it explodes, they've already jumped onto the next bubble. | ||
| They're the credit default swaps of human beings. | ||
| Like, they're disgusting and awful, and they're killing all of us. | ||
| Yeah, it's like... | ||
| There's not much else to say. | ||
| It's like the wrong interpretation of that quote. | ||
| Like, there comes in the affairs of men that, you know, you catch the wave, it leads to fortune. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The tide, I don't know exactly how it goes. | ||
| I know it's a Shakespeare quote, but I only know it from Woodhouse. | ||
| I'm pretty sure T. Jefferson said that one. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| So, also, Snopes didn't say don't wear masks. | ||
| They were just reporting on what statements were being made by officials. | ||
| One of the sources cited in their article that is... | ||
| Mike and Alex's hero, Donald Trump, who said, quote, I'm sorry, this is from the article, quote, Trump said Tuesday that his scientific advisors made clear the general public shouldn't be competing with hospitals and health workers for scarce masks of any type. | ||
| His solution? | ||
| Quote, use a scarf if you want, Trump said at the Daily White House briefing. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What was the 25th Amendment for? | ||
| This. | ||
| It was for this, right? | ||
| I can't find any Snopes articles about hydroxychloroquine being bad. | ||
| They would never say that because they aren't idiots and they realize that the drug has other real uses. | ||
| The only real article I could find that covers the subject is about Hannity and Rudy Giuliani's claim that this mysterious doctor had successfully treated all of his coronavirus patients with hydroxychloroquine, Z-Pak, and zinc. | ||
| It was Stevie Peas. | ||
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The article doesn't say that the claim is not true. | |
| Just that it's unproven. | ||
| Which is exactly what the doctor at the center of this claim, Dr. Zelenko, said. | ||
| Quote, in an interview with Forward, Zelenko acknowledged that his regimen was new and untested, and it was too soon to assess its long-term effectiveness. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| So, cool, awesome, great work. | ||
| Oh, man, these guys. | ||
| Snopes isn't saying that wearing masks are bad or that hydroxychloroquine is bad. | ||
| Just that these are not settled questions and that there's nuance. | ||
| And as we know, Alex fucking hates nuance. | ||
| He gets really mad at it. | ||
| And this is how he behaves. | ||
| It does seem like the concept of anyone reporting something without making something up or using it is so horrific to him that he hates it. | ||
| Like, it's so awful. | ||
| That he has this burning hatred. | ||
| The idea of Snopes just being like, we're just going to quote people who say something in response to a question. | ||
| That's all we're going to do. | ||
| We're not going to make up anything. | ||
| We're not even going to give a point of view or anything like that. | ||
| He's just like, ah! | ||
| I mean, that's one part of it, and then he's constantly on the wrong side of it. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Well, he's on the wrong side of reality, yeah. | ||
| The scourge of his existence is fact-checkers, and so obviously... | ||
| They're always going to be enemies. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| But whatever the case, we're done now with this section of the show. | ||
| Thank God. | ||
| We're going to get into something completely different. | ||
| And as a transition, we have Alex coming back in from break. | ||
| And I'm going to apologize in advance for this because I think this is going to traumatize some of our listeners because of the music choice that he's using. | ||
| Because usually, we've seen a lot of him doing the over the sax, you belong to the city, doing a little speech. | ||
| This time he uses Policy of Truth, which is a real slap in the face. | ||
| But, mic down for this, because Alex gets into a weird fantasy that makes me think that maybe he's been playing Castlevania. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Let's get to it. | ||
| You make me feel cool. | ||
| Walking in. | ||
| Castle at night. | ||
| The moon is rising. | ||
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You see those red out of the distance. | |
| But you're not scared. | ||
| Has you been here before? | ||
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A policy of truth. | |
| That's what I do. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I love it. | ||
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Never again is what you said the time before. | |
| Never again is what you saw the time before. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Welcome back, dork. | ||
| That is, like, the stupidest, like, that's... | ||
| It's almost like he's jerking off. | ||
| Just mumbling to himself about fighting a vampire or something. | ||
| The moon at night. | ||
| You can see those red eyes. | ||
| Oh my god, I just watched The Ninth Gate. | ||
| Policy of truth. | ||
| That's what I do. | ||
| I do the policy of truth. | ||
| I think he did just watch The Ninth Gate. | ||
| He could have. | ||
| Because that girl who's the devil had red eyes and they're at a castle at night. | ||
| He is not scared. | ||
| Wait, but that movie... | ||
| No, that movie is about books. | ||
| There's no way... | ||
| You said Castlevania the game. | ||
| There is a Netflix anime based on the video game. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| And absolutely, that's 100% possible. | ||
| I got a strong Castlevania vibe, but it's probably just because of the castle. | ||
| That he mentions. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| That's just... | ||
| That's like... | ||
| Is there a castle? | ||
| There's a castle in Highlander? | ||
| I'm going to mark that off on our bingo card. | ||
| No, not yet. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But there's just like the vibe there is like someone I wouldn't want to hang out with as a kid, maybe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What a shit bag. | ||
| Anyway, we get now into Alex doing part two of the show. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And it's much sillier. | ||
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| Yes, it is much sillier. | ||
| This is something that I don't really get into very much because I see it overall as a tar baby. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| What the fuck just happened there? | ||
| I had a lot of time studying it. | ||
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What? | |
| Not great. | ||
| I know what it is. | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| And it doesn't mean the whole thing's bad. | ||
| But in the main, what it does is destructive in the end. | ||
| There are a lot of people I respect and like that are really into it. | ||
| I'm going to go with porn. | ||
| Is that what we're doing? | ||
| And I notice it's something that the media attacks a little, but they don't censor it. | ||
| They don't block it. | ||
| And I personally talked to the president. | ||
| I personally talk to a lot of other people in government. | ||
| He loves porn. | ||
| And I really do have amazing sources, but I have my own analysis that most of the time they tune in for. | ||
| The pee tape is real. | ||
| But there's something about a fortune hunt. | ||
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There's something about a puzzle. | |
| A treasure hunt. | ||
| We all call it a fortune hunt. | ||
| Sold in booklets of crosswords. | ||
| Who are you? | ||
| Because it makes me feel like they're in this magic intrigue. | ||
| So I always thought we'd just wake everybody up and we'd defeat the New World Order. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But you see, they've got ways to create their own LARPing cosmologies, live-action role-play. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And it just soaks up the energy and the immediacy of everything. | ||
| So someone you don't know who you are, you never talk to them, there's no proof, but you... | ||
| Trust the plan. | ||
| And as one goes, we all go. | ||
| And all this stuff you'd imagine in a cult, you'd be chanting. | ||
| So it's clearly QAnon. | ||
| He's talking about QAnon. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| This is so fucking funny. | ||
| Alex is apparently now mad at QAnon. | ||
| And I checked in with the guys over at QAnon Anonymous to see if something had happened recently that was causing this outburst. | ||
| They had no idea. | ||
| No clue. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| But what's really funny to me about this is how transparent it is. | ||
| It leads me to believe... | ||
| That he wants a publicity stunt. | ||
| He's looking for some attention out of this, and he's going to try and metaphorically cut a chip out of a homeless person's arm about this. | ||
| That's the feeling that I get. | ||
| This is a stunt. | ||
| It seems a little bit like he's trying to start a feud with Joe Rogan in order to get back on the podcast, but he's trying to call out whoever says they're cute and see if they'll get on his show. | ||
| Boy, you need to hold on to those thoughts. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| But what's interesting is, like, I've listened to this show, like, forever, and I know that back on January 6th, Alex literally told his good buddy Joel Skousen that he attempted to and wanted to co-opt QAnon, and it didn't work. | ||
| Nothing that QAnon has said has ever come true. | ||
| This is a pure disinformation expert. | ||
| And sadly, a lot of Trump supporters, including some of my subscribers... | ||
| Well, I was thinking I'm just going to endorse it and then co-opt it publicly and go, oh, Q says this, Q says that, because everybody loves a little magic stuff, because it's definitely a delusional issue, and it's sucking up so many good people into it. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yes. | ||
| Here is my plan. | ||
| I was going to take over Q, say that I was Q, and then tell all of QAnon's DumDum followers that it's my stuff. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I was just going to use the name that's very popular to promote my own things. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Very honest. | ||
| Straightforward. | ||
| Straight shooting. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Historically, Alex has been able to piggyback and monetize all of the hard right fringe movements that have come along because he's always been the biggest game in town. | ||
| Prior to social media, he was able to be very secure in that position. | ||
| He situated himself as the head of the 9-11 truth folks. | ||
| He was able to use the Oath Keepers and his connection to them to co-op much of the Tea Party enthusiasm that bubbled up in the 2009 period and then he perched atop of it. | ||
| He was able to frame himself as the king of all sorts of reality-defying conspiracy theories that were popular online, like Sandy Hook and the Boston bombing. | ||
| But now, Alex is not needed. | ||
| QAnon exists entirely outside of Alex's world, and they don't like him. | ||
| If there was a dime in it for Alex to support or play along with this shit, he'd probably be doing that, but since they're hostile to him, he knows that this is not a fertile market, so fuck him. | ||
| This is so funny to me. | ||
| I think it's probably mostly just the result of Alex's interview with Ted Nugent's wife who's super into QAnon. | ||
| I think there's fallout for that. | ||
| You think that's why? | ||
| You think she got mad at him or he got mad at her about that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's so funny. | ||
| I think maybe Ted gave him a talking to. | ||
| What if Ted gave him a text? | ||
| Like, hey, don't you start talking about QAnon. | ||
| Are you saying QAnon's not real? | ||
| I mean, if Ted Nugent's wife is super into QAnon, you've got to expect Ted might be. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Can you imagine? | ||
| Look, this is the first time that I'm really feeling a lot of empathy for Ted Nugent. | ||
| Stuck between his wife and QAnon on one side and Alex Jones and Alex Jones on the other side. | ||
| That's brutal. | ||
| What relationship do you choose, Dan? | ||
| Neither. | ||
| This is an alien versus predator situation. | ||
| Ted Nugent's predator, by the way. | ||
| Whoever wins, we lose. | ||
| Because Ted Nugent has a song. | ||
| Where he talks about how he's a predator. | ||
| He is a sexual predator, that's for sure. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| Alex doesn't care about that, though. | ||
| No, not important. | ||
| So Alex is pretty mad at Q, but there's some good things about Q. People who are into it like to do research, which is laughable. | ||
| And just because people buy into it, they then think it's good. | ||
| Well, you're good, and you can do some good waking people up. | ||
| I've been ambivalent about it. | ||
| You know, the whole cute thing. | ||
| Because I know it's a PSYOP, but we could take it over. | ||
| It's good to get people researching, but if they research things that are proven, like... | ||
| Don't give an example. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| It's going to be bad. | ||
| Don't. | ||
| Stop. | ||
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Disease X. God damn it. | |
| Lockstep Rockefeller Project. | ||
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Oh boy. | |
| State Department Memorandum 200. | ||
| Club of Rome, 1968. | ||
| Depopulation agenda. | ||
| I mean, these are real things. | ||
| You can go to the library and read. | ||
| Read online. | ||
| You can read Ecoscience. | ||
| 1974, John P. Holdren. | ||
| You actually can't. | ||
| That's against the law. | ||
| Plan for world government sterilization. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Right how science are. | ||
| 35 years later. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| 37 years later. | ||
| What else you got? | ||
| I mean, that's all meat and potatoes. | ||
| So again, it's the same sort of thing. | ||
| It's like, yeah, look, there's a lot of enthusiasm among these people, but they're not. | ||
| Pushing my talking points. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's frustrating. | ||
| That makes me angry. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And there's a lot of meat and potatoes on that. | ||
| Like, there's a lot of meat and potatoes on the bowls and fucking hook. | ||
| And there's a lot of meat and potatoes in their bank accounts that is not coming into my meat bowl and my potato bowl, and I'm pissed off about it. | ||
| I would like meat and potatoes! | ||
| Now, obviously, that's one very, very clear piece of this, that he can't monetize QAnon, and it really pisses him off. | ||
| It really frustrates him. | ||
| But there's a second piece of this, and I think it might actually be more what's driving him. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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And I think one of the reasons why I suspect that this has to do with Ted Nugent. | |
| It seems like, as we go through Alex's grievances with QAnon, a lot of it seems to revolve around the idea that people think QAnon's real, but Alex doesn't get enough respect. | ||
| It seems to be like, no one likes me as much as that. | ||
| The number one thing I hate about QAnon is that they're trying to co-op Cap Scratch Fever, and I can't have that in my house. | ||
| Hey, look, Q said that Stranglehold doesn't rock, and I cannot put up with that. | ||
| It seems very petty. | ||
| This just gets insanely petty. | ||
| I'll just get to it now. | ||
| I said I'd do it next time, but I'm already trying to do it. | ||
| I say I'm going to get to something, and then I'll get to it right then, and then I'll get to all the other news. | ||
| He's using his petty speech. | ||
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da da da da da da da da da da da I've talked to people who I've known, and they come over real satisfied on the street, and they just go, oh yeah, sure, you're not at the Q level or whatever. | |
| And I'm sitting there knowing that what I write and what I say gets taken and put into the president's speeches. | ||
| You know, the president calls my wife up and says, man, your husband's a real man. | ||
| He's got a lot of courage what he's going through. | ||
| The president personally told me, don't back down. | ||
| You're real. | ||
| I'm real. | ||
| Men like us know the truth, the destiny of America. | ||
| Press the attack. | ||
| He doesn't remember your name right now. | ||
| And that's on record that Kelly freaked out that Trump and I were talking all the time and Stone and all the rest. | ||
| All the time? | ||
| All the time. | ||
| I get contacts from the president. | ||
| Hanging out. | ||
| Had a top national talk shows call up and talk about the president and the analysis and what we're doing yesterday. | ||
| One American News Network? | ||
| So, yeah, what? | ||
| Hannity? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Hannity? | ||
| Tucker? | ||
| Whatever, man. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| Like the whole thing is all just like comparing himself to QAnon. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| But what's crazy about it is the way that starts is Alex being like, I have people that I know come up to me who are into QAnon. | ||
| You're not Q level. | ||
| These are your friends, man. | ||
| Curate your friend group better. | ||
| Don't get mad. | ||
| He's not capable of curating a friend group. | ||
| Don't get mad that you're not as cool as Q with your friends. | ||
| That's not a good game. | ||
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That means you need better friends. | |
| Oh, God. | ||
| But it's worse. | ||
| It can't be worse than that. | ||
| His friend group says he's not Q level, Dan. | ||
| It's not just friends. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| I run into... | ||
| Cousins and people. | ||
| Buckley! | ||
| I've seen a few videos where you'll see these delusional, crazy-looking people, and they go, I used to like Alex Jones, but now I'm with the president. | ||
| And I know Jones is an Israeli spy. | ||
| What the hell does that mean? | ||
| Trump is moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, pro-Israel. | ||
| He's an Israeli spy. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But I've got some criticism of Israel. | ||
| And a lot of the leftist Jewish lobby attacks me, but that's another. | ||
| What? | ||
| Is that I work for Israel? | ||
| I am the most proud of the fact that I am totally independent and a maverick. | ||
| created the modern talking points that were adopted by the president and his speech writers as the relaunch of America so let me just explain something the reason you see me attacked everywhere and the reason they're suing me and trying to kill me and trying to set me up and somebody doxed my house yesterday and called in a fake police report and all the rest of it Your address was in your DUI report. | ||
| Let me just explain how this is. | ||
| But see, I've never really said that to people. | ||
| It's a fact. | ||
| Infowars is the New World Order executor. | ||
| Not true. | ||
| Because we have the giant audience of Americans of every race, color, and creed who bleed red blood and love freedom. | ||
| It's like 50 dudes now, man. | ||
| Give it up. | ||
| And we've changed the world, 1776 worldwide, infiltrating Bohemian Grove, confronting the globalists. | ||
| This sounds like Brody Stevens. | ||
| 14 years ago. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Positive energy! | ||
| All the guests, all the info, all the information. | ||
| LA! | ||
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Fighting, the battling, and then to shit their Austin original infiltrated Bohemian Grove. | |
| Enjoy it! | ||
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Enjoy it! | |
| That rhythm struck me there very weirdly, but that does seem to be... | ||
| Yes, I get barbecue! | ||
| So I would translate that entire thing by like, QAnon says my dick small, my dick large. | ||
| Very much. | ||
| Trump and I talk all the time about how big my dong is. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| This is just... | ||
| This is so personal. | ||
| There's something so personal to it. | ||
| The fact that one complaint that gets into a petty grievance begins with, like, friends around me are into queue, and then... | ||
| A cousin comes up to me. | ||
| Maybe it's not Buckley. | ||
| I don't think Buckley's in the queue. | ||
| Who knows, man? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| That's true. | ||
| He's not with InfoWars anymore. | ||
| I know. | ||
| He's freed up to believe in queue. | ||
| I thought he was just making music, man. | ||
| He was just pursuing his dreams. | ||
| Yeah, one could only hope. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's somewhere in Chicago, by the way. | ||
| He apparently lives in Chicago. | ||
| Of course he does. | ||
| Why wouldn't he? | ||
| He's got to find Buckley. | ||
| He's like across the street from us, for sure. | ||
| I want to meet Buckley. | ||
| I swear, in this quarantine, we're going to walk down the street. | ||
| Buckley, if you're listening. | ||
| God, I hope you are. | ||
| I probably know he is. | ||
| Hit me up. | ||
| I want to come see a show. | ||
| Well, maybe not during this. | ||
| At knowledge underscore fight, Buckley. | ||
| Yeah, the fact that it's so presented as people in his immediate vicinity, it makes me think that he's really just mad at people around him, not giving him the respect that he feels he deserves in comparison to this internet hoax. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, my note, and let me just read this for you. | ||
| This is just sad. | ||
| Double underline. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| This is sad. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| This is pathetic. | ||
| And I wish it was an April Fool's thing. | ||
| And I'm not positive it's not. | ||
| By the way, it ain't. | ||
| Well, I'm positive the feeling isn't. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| That's 100% real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He uses his petty voice. | ||
| I love it when he gets that staccato to him like that. | ||
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Here's what people don't understand, man. | |
| But what people don't understand is that Alex is real. | ||
| Don't respect him enough. | ||
| Not true. | ||
| And people who believe in Q are being tricked by trolls in many of the same internet message boards that Alex gets tricked by trolls at. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But let's not examine that too closely. | ||
| I don't want to look into it. | ||
| Somebody could get hurt. | ||
| My biggest problem with the Q people is it's always, you know... | ||
| Crazy's thinking they're on a secret mission with internet trolls manipulating them, and a lot of it is just people doing it for the fun of manipulating folks. | ||
| And then it just becomes a big internet scam of mental illness to see who they can manipulate and control and all this. | ||
| And then the woman holds up a baby with Q on its back. | ||
| It's 60 yards away. | ||
| The president can't even see what's going on. | ||
| And they go, look, the Q is there. | ||
| He just signed on to it. | ||
| It's the total proof. | ||
| A sheriff's deputy has a Q on him. | ||
| And the sheriff's deputies are wanting to be part of an American revolution like Fight Club. | ||
| They're wanting to come and be in the club with the president. | ||
| And then the vice president is with a sheriff's deputy in Florida with a Q on his deal, and the vice president deletes it. | ||
| Because they know and don't want to be part of it. | ||
| But then the president tweets, my reporters and myself, while they're telling him not to this year and last year, people go, that means nothing when the president tweets you. | ||
| It means nothing when you have Robert Barnes on and messages the president, and the president tweets that tweet and that show. | ||
| That's nothing. | ||
| Talking to the president, the president calling your wife up, telling her how great you are. | ||
| None of that matters because I am not God Q, the master of... | ||
| He's so mad. | ||
| I do it for money. | ||
| I just hear wah. | ||
| Oh, it's bad. | ||
| What's really interesting to me about this is obviously there's a headline that's easy to write on this story, and that is that Alex takes aim at QAnon. | ||
| Alex is a loser little titty baby. | ||
| That should be the headline. | ||
| Sub-headline, explanation, he fights with QAnon. | ||
| The lead of the story needs to be Alex feels slighted by internet conspiracy. | ||
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Alex feels completely... | |
| I mean, to use Paul Joseph Watson's language, cooked by something that he can't control. | ||
| This is outside of his ability. | ||
| And he's dealt with it okay, the fact that he can't control it over the course of as long as it's existed. | ||
| It seems like right now he is coming up against something. | ||
| There's some sort of a crisis. | ||
| Maybe he needs a flashy attention-grabbing publicity stunt and trying to get into a fight with a fake thing is probably... | ||
| Way to do it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It seems desperate. | ||
| It seems attention grabby and all rooted in I'm mad. | ||
| It does get the feel of the young eat the old. | ||
| Isn't it inevitable? | ||
| If you are a conspiracy theorist famous enough for long enough that eventually you will be the subject of the very conspiracy that you are pretending to fight against. | ||
| Well, I'm not sure if Alex ever... | ||
| Conspiracy theorists sooner or later are going to be like, you're nothing, you're part of the thing that our conspiracy theory is now. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not sure that Alex ever turned Bill Cooper into like... | ||
| A villain in his conspiracy narrative, but he did lie about him. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And lied about their relation, for sure. | ||
| And we talked about that in one of our past episodes. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| But, like, yeah, maybe Alex used to have the class to not do that. | ||
| To not turn Bill into, like, a villain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he's now getting that treatment, for sure. | ||
| He's gonna fight for his life. | ||
| Well, I mean, QAnon, like I said, one of the most important things about it is it exists outside of Alex. | ||
| It doesn't need Alex. | ||
| And it has the freedom to be like, Alex is a fucking shill. | ||
| Fuck that guy. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Fuck that. | ||
| They call him a patriot. | ||
| P-A-Y. | ||
| Nice! | ||
| That's actually the most accurate thing Q has ever done. | ||
| Distrusting Alex? | ||
| Yeah, but that one's easy. | ||
| So as we get further through this, when he went to commercial break there, I thought like, well, he said his piece. | ||
| He's done. | ||
| No. | ||
| Holy shit, he's not even close to Don. | ||
| He's on a tear, huh? | ||
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He is so mad at Q. You know, I had the founder of Q at my house about two years ago. | |
| You mean Q? | ||
| I should have hired him. | ||
| You should have hired Q? | ||
| For some reason I didn't. | ||
| You hired old man houseboats! | ||
| It's very frustrating to me to see people out there believing all this Q stuff when I can... | ||
| I mean, everybody already knows. | ||
| And it got hijacked within three days of him launching it. | ||
| And it started out just as some guys having some fun that were authorized to engage in psyops. | ||
| So it did start with people in the Trump campaign and people that worked in U.S. intelligence. | ||
| Stone is cute. | ||
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End. | |
| Amen. | ||
| You know, I'm just gonna call him and I'm gonna ask him to come on. | ||
| It's time this all gets exposed. | ||
| Yes! | ||
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Yes! | |
| Okay. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| So Alex is here saying that he had the founder of Q at his house, and he almost hired him. | ||
| But there shouldn't be a reveal to anyone who's listened to Alex's show or paid attention. | ||
| Alex has already claimed many times that his fake intelligence whistleblower, Zach, is part of the team that started QAnon. | ||
| He's already solved this mystery according to the in-world reality. | ||
| So unless he's just trying to get Zach back on the show, this doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Shouldn't be too hard. | ||
| This is not an open question. | ||
| They've already done this with Zach. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Of course, but don't worry about Zach. | ||
| We'll put Zach aside. | ||
| I'm writing down people who could have been... | ||
| I'm going to go with... | ||
| Roger Stone could be the only person that I think that Alex would... | ||
| Alex can't call him and get him on the show. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But he's not going to actually call whomever fake the Q is anyways. | ||
| No, that's true. | ||
| So I think... | ||
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Who has the... | |
| I wouldn't be surprised if Steve Pachanek had the balls to just take that swing and be like, you know, Alex, I started Q. It was all me. | ||
| I'm certain Steve would. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| He's one of those two guys. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Maybe it's time that we need to call in our friends over at QAnon Anonymous. | ||
| I think that they have an expertise in who might be hated by QAnon, who could possibly be the people who started it, but then had it taken away three days. | ||
| What if that's what QAnon... | ||
| The three-day window is very specific, and I don't have the kind of expertise that someone like Travis does. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| We may need help. | ||
| You know why you don't have the expertise that Travis does? | ||
| Because Travis is Q. That's what happened. | ||
| Travis went to Alex's house. | ||
| Three days later, Q was stolen from him. | ||
| He started QAnon Anonymous. | ||
| Done. | ||
| I've solved it. | ||
| Travis, call it out! | ||
| This could be true. | ||
| Call it out! | ||
| Travis! | ||
| Alright, so maybe we'll check in with them and see what happens. | ||
| But the issue here is that Alex knows who started QAnon and could have hired them. | ||
| Didn't hire them. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Considering who gets job offers from him. | ||
| Now, here's the thing. | ||
| Q is wrong all the time now, but weren't for those three days or something. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And you've got all these famous New Agers saying that the power's about to go off this week for three days. | ||
| And then the power will go off in one town like it always does. | ||
| They go, oh, Q just did a test. | ||
| And no matter how many times, oh, trust the plan. | ||
| Robert Mueller is going to come out and arrest everybody. | ||
| Some guy started it. | ||
| That we're inside the White House. | ||
| That we're on Air Force One. | ||
| And one of these guys, I can't figure out. | ||
| He does a lot of great work. | ||
| He's really smart. | ||
| One day he goes, hey, what do you think Trump ought to tweet about you today? | ||
| That I have a big dick. | ||
| I'll go ahead. | ||
| I'd like him to tweet this. | ||
| And the president tweeted three things from InfoWars. | ||
| Dan Scavino? | ||
| And I said, okay, well, why did you do that? | ||
| Obviously, the president said that. | ||
| He goes, well, yeah. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| Why? | ||
| The very person who created it attacks it and gets attacked by it now and can't stand it. | ||
| See, I tipped my hand a little bit early that I revealed that the person who created it now is attacked constantly by Q, which is a clue to who it is, and I don't fucking know who that is. | ||
| I don't know who Q attacks. | ||
| Q seems to attack just about everybody, or the followers all seem to hate, just about anybody who's not on board with the quote-unquote plan. | ||
| Hashtag. | ||
| Man, it is so sad to listen to a man describe his business model angrily when somebody else is using it. | ||
| How dare they? | ||
| Nothing that he say comes true. | ||
| All of this stuff is a hoax perpetrated to fool people. | ||
| Just stuff they pulled from 4chan. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| Alex! | ||
| Look into a... | ||
| Fucking mirror! | ||
| But I think that's why he's mad. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| They're just doing what I do, and everyone is so into it, and they don't respect me, and I'm kicked off social media. | ||
| You can still post about Q on social media. | ||
| What a dick. | ||
| It is so much like the older brother that gets in trouble, and they're like, well, he does stuff too? | ||
| He does stuff too? | ||
| Why isn't he getting in trouble? | ||
| In my experience with the older brother, that works. | ||
| With Alex, this is not going to work. | ||
| Same strategy, possibly, but the older brother usually gets away with that. | ||
| Here's the thing, man. | ||
| Q lies. | ||
| It's all lies. | ||
| But sometimes it's strategic lies. | ||
| You understand that? | ||
| That's not okay. | ||
| Disinformation is sometimes necessary. | ||
| Important for enemies and allies. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But you know what it turns out? | ||
| Alex is not capable of that. | ||
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He's physically incapable of lying. | |
| My PSYOP is just... | ||
| Butt naked, balls to the walls, we're on. | ||
| I mean, it's just, you know, pull swords, start hacking. | ||
| I don't got a shield, I got two swords. | ||
| And that's just what I do. | ||
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And... | |
| But I can see all this stuff. | ||
| I see right through it. | ||
| I see for miles and miles. | ||
| I see through flesh. | ||
| I see through stone. | ||
| I see through fog. | ||
| Because I live in truth. | ||
| And the more the brain gets addicted to truth... | ||
| Sometimes I'll try to tell a strategic lie for counterintelligence. | ||
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What? | |
| What are you doing? | ||
| Somebody's corrupt. | ||
| And I can't even say things now. | ||
| Because I get more and more. | ||
| The more you tell the truth, the more it becomes addicting. | ||
| Because the brain doesn't have to filter or manipulate. | ||
| That's what a liar would say. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I can't imagine Alex thinking that he's honest about everything. | ||
| But whatever. | ||
| I'm proposing a new police force. | ||
| People who love words. | ||
| I'll get together a bunch of... | ||
| Like what words mean? | ||
| Like me and a bunch of my librarian friends and a couple lit professors, and we'll just go around and be like, if you don't mean what words mean, you don't get to use those words anymore. | ||
| So all Alex gets are definite articles. | ||
| He can have A, and, and the. | ||
| The end! | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| I don't even want to say end! | ||
| The! | ||
| I feel like your fantasy is sort of out of the Phantom Tollbooth. | ||
| One of the kingdoms. | ||
| Maybe Dick Chitopolis runs a little bit. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The weather bee might want to have some words. | ||
| Well, hey. | ||
| So Alex knows the secret of Q. He knows who's behind it. | ||
| He knows all this. | ||
| It's all good. | ||
| In this clip, Alex ends up saying something that I think is shockingly spiritually true, but so stupid. | ||
| I know who started Q, the two guys. | ||
| I've forgotten more than most people ever know. | ||
| Why do you think the Pentagon, the CIA, the president tune in? | ||
| This is the Oracle, folks, the guest, the callers, myself, what we do. | ||
| This is unfiltered. | ||
| There's nothing else like this on Earth. | ||
| Almost everybody else couches what they're going to say, thinks about what they're going to say, and how it'll affect them or others. | ||
| People are scared. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| So when he says people will couch things and they think about things, that's called preparing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's called doing work. | ||
| I mean, I guess... | ||
| Alex is just saying that he's not afraid to not prepare. | ||
| I mean, not to go even further than that, you know, I mean, when I think of the adage, compassion or cruelty, what is it? | ||
| Honesty without compassion is cruelty. | ||
| And the way he's describing that is a lot of people think about how this is going to make people feel. | ||
| And I'm a truth teller. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| No, you're a piece of shit. | ||
| You're an asshole. | ||
| Yeah, it's that honesty. | ||
| The way that it was presented in church was honesty without grace is cruelty. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And he's lying! | ||
| On one level, you're absolutely right. | ||
| That is sort of what he's manifesting. | ||
| But on a more concrete level, he's just trying to rationalize why he doesn't prepare. | ||
| A lot of people come in and they think about what they're going to say. | ||
| No, I just shoot from the hip because I'm not scared. | ||
| Like, no, you just can't do work. | ||
| You just can't. | ||
| Because if you did, you'd have no excuse for why you're wrong all the time. | ||
| It's just nonsense. | ||
| I mean, I bet he could do work. | ||
| If he wanted to be a farmer, maybe he could learn how to till. | ||
| I don't think he can do journalism. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| Manual labor he's capable of. | ||
| Yeah, I think he's capable of manual labor. | ||
| I think he's capable of brain labor, too. | ||
| He just is unwilling. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think he's just unwilling. | ||
| I think maybe there was a time when he was capable of brain work. | ||
| I still think he's perfectly capable of it now. | ||
| It's far more profitable to function the way he does. | ||
| That's totally fair. | ||
| At this point. | ||
| That's totally fair. | ||
| So Alex talks more about how he knows the creators of Q. So now it's two people. | ||
| We know that. | ||
| They hate... | ||
| What it's become. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And are demonized and pilloryed by QAnon. | ||
| And this is real trouble. | ||
| Two people that created it and launched it. | ||
| One a political operative. | ||
| One government intelligence agency. | ||
| Zach. | ||
| Had it hijacked. | ||
| Within three days. | ||
| And they know that. | ||
| And both of them attack it. | ||
| And tell you it's crap. | ||
| But, again, it's like the father gives birth to something, one day it comes to take them. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Imagine being the creator of it and watching it turn into Frankenstein's monster and then come to get Dr. Frankenstein. | ||
| I feel like that is something Alex is very familiar with. | ||
| That is a deeply personal thing you just said right there. | ||
| Imagine meeting a fan for you, Alex. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's tough. | ||
| Oh, boy, Alex. | ||
| I think that there's a lot of specifics there, and we're not in a position to really know who this is hinting at, but it's definitely hinting at somebody that probably is very well determinable. | ||
| Like, if you were really into QAnon, I bet that you know almost exactly who Alex is probably talking about. | ||
| I think it's possible, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I wish I had that kind of awareness, but I don't. | ||
| We're going to have to call the boys. | ||
| So, anyway, look, dude, the thing is that... | ||
| Trump doesn't like QAnon, right? | ||
| I could not think of anything Trump cares less about. | ||
| He doesn't like it. | ||
| I don't think he has an opinion on it whatsoever. | ||
| But he loves in force. | ||
| I don't think he cares either. | ||
| The president is aware of who launched these operations without being authorized to do it. | ||
| They were authorized to engage in counter-operations against globalists. | ||
| What does that even fucking mean? | ||
| Very quickly, you'll notice the president taps it down and does not promote it. | ||
| But people still go looking for the magic moment that they're finally not rebuffed by the vice president or the president. | ||
| While our guests are openly promoted by the president, and this show is openly promoted despite all the attacks and all of it. | ||
| So, in Alex's narrative, Q was real for three days, and then it was co-opted, and since then, Trump has not supported it. | ||
| But that makes no sense. | ||
| As recently as March 8th, Trump was retweeting QAnon-related content, something he has a really consistent habit of doing. | ||
| On January 2nd, the Daily Beast reported on how, in the evening of December 27th, 2019, Trump retweeted approximately 20 accounts who promote QAnon conspiracies. | ||
| Trump invited QAnon people to his social media summit. | ||
| He invited Lionel to the White House. | ||
| And he's done basically everything he could possibly do to amplify and encourage QAnon followers, short of directly saying it's true. | ||
| In terms of the things that Trump has publicly signaled, he's given way more tacit and direct support to QAnon than Alex. | ||
| And that's probably because Alex isn't useful anymore. | ||
| If I were Alex, I'd be pissed too. | ||
| But I probably wouldn't have ever gotten into this stupid situation where I'm competing with a completely lunatic decentralized conspiracy theory for the president's respect and attention. | ||
| That's a bad place to be. | ||
| Even if you win that, that's not a good situation. | ||
| You know, there's... | ||
| It's just like, there's no way to know. | ||
| There's no way for Alex to have known that Trump would just abandon people once they stopped being useful. | ||
| There's just no way to... | ||
| This is out of left field! | ||
| It is not as though... | ||
| Catchphrase was, you're fired. | ||
| It's not as though this has been a years-long, decades-long commitment to lying and fucking over people. | ||
| No, not at all. | ||
| You know what this feels like to me? | ||
| As we go through this, I start to realize this a little more. | ||
| This feels a lot like someone asking for a raise when they don't know if they're going to get it. | ||
| You should never go into your boss's office and ask for a raise if you're not confident enough that they value you as an employee. | ||
| Dan, do you know anybody who might have asked for a raise? | ||
| Ya boy. | ||
| I was also fired for asking for a raise. | ||
| Well, you asked for a raise for a co-worker of yours, and that was a little bit different. | ||
| That was a crime that they committed. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You asked for a union-ish sort of thing. | ||
| In my situation, it was like you realized that if you get into that position where if you don't have a reasonable expectation that you have leverage... | ||
| To get that raise. | ||
| Even if you deserve it, if you ask for it and the answer is no, then you've got to quit or you've got to accept it. | ||
| And if you accept it, you can't ask again without them having that ability to say no. | ||
| Because you're going to accept it. | ||
| Yeah, there's that expectation. | ||
| You don't want to get yourself into that situation because the outcome, other than getting the raise, means that you better be prepared to quit. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| For Alex, getting into a fight with QAnon like this, which is pointless for a number of reasons. | ||
| It just seems like a situation where you're not going to come out ahead here because there is no coming out ahead. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You better be ready to quit because you're going to end up looking like a dick here. | ||
| It is very ironic to me. | ||
| There's more organic support for QAnon than Alex. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| No, it's ironic to me that somebody... | ||
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There's more bots! | |
| Better in favor of QAnon than Alex. | ||
| He doesn't have the organic side covered. | ||
| He doesn't have the fake side covered. | ||
| Sorry, I keep interrupting. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I find interrupting to be unacceptable, Dan. | ||
| No, it's ironic to me that for somebody whose professed ideology is almost entirely about decentralized conflict and the way that those... | ||
| Types of groups can function independently. | ||
| Yeah, a leaderless resistance. | ||
| He has no concept of how to battle against a leaderless resistance. | ||
| He still thinks that there's a Q guy. | ||
| Or at least he still thinks that there's somebody to have a feud with. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Hypothetically, there is. | ||
| Because there's still someone posting as Q. Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So there is still a hypothetical thing. | ||
| But the point at which we're at now, The reality of QAnon is so insane and so diverse that like... | ||
| You can't really take issue with... | ||
| Because you could be like, hey, you guys are a bunch of idiots. | ||
| You believe that JFK Jr. is alive. | ||
| There's a large contingent that doesn't think he's still alive. | ||
| And they'll be like, no, you got the wrong idea about Q. They've basically become libertarians. | ||
| You got the wrong Q. That's not real Q. That's not real libertarianism. | ||
| You're talking to the wrong people. | ||
| They give Q a bad name. | ||
| Of course they do. | ||
| Why start a fight with that? | ||
| You're just going to end up like... | ||
| You're basically playing... | ||
| Oh my god, what if QAnon became its own political party and we got to watch the primary... | ||
| They're a bunch of QAnon candidates. | ||
| We got the primary debates of just QAnon people like we did with the libertarian debates? | ||
| I want the QAnon debates. | ||
| I can't imagine anything being more wild than those libertarian debates. | ||
| They're pretty incredible. | ||
| They booed Gary Johnson when he said that you should have a driver's license. | ||
| He was just saying that, like, hey, I think that some people, maybe old people who can't see, maybe they shouldn't be on the track. | ||
|
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Boo! | |
| Boo! | ||
| We'll never vote for this guy! | ||
| We want McAfee! | ||
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Murder a couple people, then we'll talk! | |
| We're off track a little bit. | ||
| I can't imagine how that happened. | ||
| But Alex is just like, this is a losing gamble, no matter what happens. | ||
| And also... | ||
| I should be clear. | ||
| I don't believe him. | ||
| I don't believe the premise that he's... | ||
| Yeah, absolutely not. | ||
| I feel like we haven't really been clear enough about that. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I don't believe that he had the person who started Q in his home that he could have hired. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| But anyway, the issue is that Q started for those first three days as a really good thing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, I'm going to call up the guys that created Q. And just see if they'll just want to come out about it. | ||
| They do anything wrong. | ||
| They do people like mystery. | ||
| They do have White House connections. | ||
| Fortune hunts. | ||
| Thought that they could build this army of, like, fight club of Americans to take on the deep state. | ||
| But instead it became a way to stand down and be delusional. | ||
| And then do nothing. | ||
| And then we now know the globalists have totally taken control of it and they tell you. | ||
| That Alex Jones is the enemy. | ||
| And things like that. | ||
| So again, it's just about how he doesn't like that they don't like him. | ||
| Here's the easiest way. | ||
| Here's the easiest way for me. | ||
| If he did know who actually created Q, that name would be all over the internet right now. | ||
| While he's in a feud, that's exactly what would happen. | ||
| He would put the name out as soon as possible and try and start a feud there. | ||
| Well, maybe. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I think that's the only way for him to win in this circumstance, had he the name, is to play that card. | ||
| That's an interesting theory, and we'll see how this plays out. | ||
| So, Alex has spent... | ||
| I mean, he ends up spending more than half of his entire show complaining about Q. That sounds exactly right. | ||
| That sounds exactly right. | ||
| That's kind of why I think it's an April Fool's thing, just because it's excessive. | ||
| It's a ridiculous amount of time he spends complaining about Q. To the point where he ends up going to calls, and this caller, this first one that he gets... | ||
| Kind of needs to reassure him that, like, Alex, you're the real Q. Oh, no! | ||
|
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The reality is, if you take that definition, they're a patriot with Q-level access. | |
| To say you're not part of that is ridiculous. | ||
| If anything, you're the real Q, and you have been for 24 years. | ||
| You're just not anonymous. | ||
| Like you said, you need to take this over. | ||
| You're the one that's doing all the real work. | ||
| I don't want to take anything over. | ||
| I want to defeat the globalists, and I want to retire. | ||
| I believe you want to retire. | ||
| I also believe you want to take over Q. Yeah. | ||
| No, I think he did. | ||
| Now, at this point, fuck it. | ||
| You need to destroy it. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| It's not something that is... | ||
| It's not necessarily salvageable for you. | ||
| It's not something that's co-optable. | ||
| It has to be destroyed. | ||
| It's in your sphere, and it hates you. | ||
| It thinks you're a shill. | ||
| Maybe for Israel, or maybe your intelligence, or whatever. | ||
| You're something that is negative. | ||
| You're a patriot. | ||
| No, you have to destroy it. | ||
| You don't want to take that over now. | ||
| No. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's too late. | ||
| I'm trying to think of a way for him. | ||
| I guess if he tried to reveal that he was the true Q, but nobody's going to believe that bullshit. | ||
| It's too late for that now. | ||
| Well, I mean, he already tried with Zach, and no one cares. | ||
| And Alex is probably going to pretend that that didn't ever happen. | ||
| So we know that recently Alex put out a series of bumper stickers, and one of them said, IMQ, go to Infowars.com. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which was a shameless attempt to try and cash in on the Cuban on stuff. | ||
| And he talks about that a little bit here. | ||
| I said six months ago, I'm going to put bumper stickers out that say, we put them in all the orders that say IMQ, InfoWars.com. | ||
| If all of you go out and say, hey, Q is going to expose that hydroxychloroquine is really great and they didn't want you to know and make it about real stuff, it's awesome! | ||
| But it's not Dungeons and Dragons and live action role play for everybody. | ||
| It kind of is. | ||
| That's what I'm telling you. | ||
| And the people that created it are big Star Wars fans and live-action roleplay. | ||
| And they're real people, but they just know everybody works. | ||
| Did you create it? | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| So, I like the idea that he's saying this isn't live-action roleplaying, but I put out bumper stickers that said, I am Q. And if people went around and just used my narratives and applied them to this fictional character, which would kind of be live-action roleplaying. | ||
| It seems like it. | ||
| That would be great, and it's not live-action roleplaying. | ||
| That would be silly. | ||
| So you suggested that the only way this should play out is that Alex just says the name of the person if he knew it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it turns out there's another way that you can play this. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Especially if you're really just trying to get attention. | ||
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There we go. | |
| You know what? | ||
| I'll just expose it. | ||
| Okay, like I gave Joe Rogan a deadline. | ||
| I love Joe. | ||
| He's a good guy. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Grow up. | ||
| I give it until next Tuesday to come out with it all, or I'm going to expose it next Wednesday. | ||
| There. | ||
| Seven days. | ||
| It's a homeless man with a chip in his arm. | ||
| Let's start firing it up and get it ready. | ||
| Just watch. | ||
| There's something real for you, folks. | ||
| That's not talk. | ||
| What an asshole. | ||
| About six months ago, I released that Obama ran torture facilities inside China with the Chinese government and that Blackwater, XE at the time, who you hired, ran these facilities. | ||
| That's like ultra-secret information. | ||
| No one reported it. | ||
| No one cared. | ||
| You can send Obama to prison for that. | ||
| It's total weaponization of evil. | ||
| And I just wanted Trump to know when I was bringing up some other stuff, I wanted to get a message to the president that day. | ||
| So I just added, oh, let me create something incredibly secret and just a little something for you that the army gave me. | ||
| I don't know if folks have heard Delta Force or any of that, but see, this is the real world right here. | ||
| This is not fantasy land! | ||
| And I risked my life doing this! | ||
| This is a world! | ||
| I think there was a five-second delay there. | ||
| Might have been. | ||
| So, I have legitimately no idea what story Alex is talking about about Obama using black water to torture people in China, mostly because there's no story about this on Infowars.com and I can find zero corroborating information anywhere. | ||
| Alright, well there's that. | ||
| However, assuming it's true, why is Alex so into Eric Prince, who ran Blackwater? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Why does Alex brag about employing ex-Blackwater people as his security? | ||
| Everybody's got to work. | ||
| If they were involved in clandestine torture sites, shouldn't Alex be opposed to the people who were involved in that company? | ||
| Blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Doesn't matter. | ||
| It's the gig economy, Dan. | ||
| You take what jobs you can. | ||
| So you noticed that bleep, and I went and found the video of this, and here's what he actually said. | ||
| I don't know if folks have heard like Delta Force or any of that, but see, this is the real world right here. | ||
| This is not fantasy land! | ||
| And I risked my life doing this! | ||
| This isn't breadcrumbs and horse shit! | ||
| This is the real world! | ||
| So the breadcrumbs part is like a real specific Hugh reference. | ||
| I think it's all just because he said horse shit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But the thing is, like, he can't swear on radio feeds. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He can't do things like that. | ||
| That will cause a real problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the fact that, like, it doesn't really matter means he's not on that many stations. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I get the audio feeds to, like, pull these episodes from Genesis Communications Network. | ||
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Sure, sure, sure. | |
| So, like, it is the feed that goes out on the radio. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Whenever there are things that are blurb, like, blips like this, I check on his own feeds. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And there are things like this every now and again, but, like, there is also, like, a look on his face after he says horse shit where it's like, someone said in his ear, Like, dude. | ||
| Or something like that. | ||
| There is a look that is kind of like, nah, shit. | ||
| Because then he immediately jumps back to calls. | ||
| He immediately is like, alright. | ||
| Gotta get off this bullshit. | ||
| Let's take the next call. | ||
| So he goes to a call, and this caller has a dumb theory about why the Chinese would release this virus. | ||
| I like it. | ||
|
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Alex, it's no secret that China does not want President Trump to continue to be president. | |
| No secret. | ||
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Would you agree with that? | |
| Yes. | ||
|
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What better successful way at stopping President Trump from holding successful rallies as he's done in the past? | |
| Oh, no. | ||
| This helps them on every front. | ||
| It lets them do mail-in ballots. | ||
| It shuts down the economy. | ||
| It covers every one of their little checkboxes. | ||
| Mail-in ballots are fine in most states in the country. | ||
| Look, if your theory is that this virus was released in order to stop Trump's rallies, man, you're gone, man. | ||
| You're far gone. | ||
| Also, I realize that we didn't even really take much of a moment to even talk about the fact that Alex gave a week for the... | ||
| I thought you had already written it down on your calendar. | ||
| Oh, of course I am. | ||
| I got a tattoo. | ||
| This is the same thing with the homeless guy and the computer chip. | ||
| We're going to be listening to that episode like a fucking hawk. | ||
| We might be having to livestream it as it's happening. | ||
| This is my WrestleMania. | ||
| This is the biggest news that's ever happened. | ||
| WrestleMania's not happening live this year, so for me, it's Alex next Wednesday. | ||
| This is Wimbledon, the French Open, and this is a huge deal. | ||
| Here's two things that aren't going to happen. | ||
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One. | |
| Wimbledon. | ||
| Well, maybe three things. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| The person who started QAnon coming out and being like, well, Alex forced my hand. | ||
| I must reveal myself. | ||
| That's not happening. | ||
| Second thing that's not happening is Alex having a big thing on next Wednesday's show. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| Where he reveals the reality and the truth about the first three days of QAnon. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| Good God. | ||
| That's so funny. | ||
| It's pretty amazing. | ||
| He's going to do it this time, though. | ||
| I believe him. | ||
| I believe him when he says that he's finally going to take down Q. And it's really nice of him to give Q a week. | ||
| Well, but it's the exact same thing that you sort of touched on a bit earlier, and that is the thing with Rogan. | ||
| And he even brings that up. | ||
| It's like, I gave Rogan a chance. | ||
| And it's because you were trying to get a media stunt out of this. | ||
| The reason that you give that window as opposed to being like, fuck it, here's the reality, is because you want to get coverage from... | ||
| I mean, you want to get coverage from Media Matters. | ||
| You want to get coverage from Right Wing Watch. | ||
| You want to get people tweeting about it. | ||
| You want to get people making fun of the fact that you're doing this. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Because it's organic. | ||
| Even if it's making fun of you, it's still free press. | ||
| And Alex is in such a desperate position right now. | ||
| Now, granted... | ||
| I mean, the position that we're in because of the lives we live at this show, I have made peace with the fact that I'm very excited about how this narrative plays out. | ||
| Mostly because I know it's going to be a dud. | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| It's going to be Geraldo opening that tomb. | ||
| Forever. | ||
| That's the perfect microcosm of Alex's career. | ||
| We've got this big story coming up. | ||
| Right, and we're on to the next thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| And the last example of that was the microchips in the people experiencing homelessness. | ||
| And that leads us nicely into this next call. | ||
| This caller asks about how are we going to fight back against the microchipping? | ||
| We're going to put our own microchips in. | ||
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Nah. | |
| Oh. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| ID2020. | ||
| You know, with microchips and digital tattoos, they want to put in these vaccines. | ||
| I'm ID. | ||
| This is 2020. | ||
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And just if there's any way you can think, you know, to sort of resist that. | |
| Well, I mean, it's just everything you can imagine. | ||
| Thomas Jefferson was asked. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| I think it was the Virginia Commonwealth. | ||
| It was in a letter. | ||
| They said, what is the level to which tyranny would invent itself? | ||
| And he said, my dear fellows, it is the level... | ||
| My dear fellows. | ||
| There's no end to the rapacious rapine of these psychotic minds, of these evil minds, of these wicked brains that just seek power over reality and to overthrow reality and twist it around in forms that make them feel good. | ||
| They're vandals. | ||
| Holy shit, buddy. | ||
| They're vagabonds. | ||
| They're droogies. | ||
| They're dum-dums. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| I think Alex is listening to us because he said dumb-dumbs. | ||
| But he's editorializing on that quote quite a bit. | ||
| And also, that's a Frederick Douglass quote that he's describing to Thomas Jefferson. | ||
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Oh, no! | |
| Which he does all the time. | ||
| Yeah, we can't allow a black man's words to go unstolen. | ||
| So now you tried to co-opt my catchphrase there. | ||
| I didn't co-opt your catchphrase. | ||
| And I gotta be honest, I think in this next clip, I'm changing my catchphrase. | ||
| It's no longer... | ||
| Dan, this is 2020. | ||
| Because I think Alex might have given me a better version. | ||
| We're now in the New World Order, in the AI takeover, in the robot genetic engineering clone world. | ||
| I mean, we're in 2020, baby. | ||
| And now that secret world they've been building onto the surface is now going to emerge. | ||
| It's all because the elite want life extension technologies and they believe that they have to get rid of us to save the Earth. | ||
| That's what the transmission... | ||
| Seriously, they get a spiritual transmission. | ||
| They have to kill everybody, then they'll be given the advanced knowledge for the immortality. | ||
| It's the oldest trick in the book. | ||
| It's the oldest trick in the book. | ||
| The advanced knowledge for immortality. | ||
| It's the oldest trick in the book. | ||
| They're going to kill everybody and then they become immortal. | ||
| It's the oldest trick in the book. | ||
| Come on! | ||
| Look! | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Isaac Newton was an alchemist, Dan. | ||
| It's the oldest trick in the book. | ||
| The oldest trick in the book is like easy scams. | ||
| Like little flams. | ||
| The oldest trick in the book is selling something called a miracle cure, Dan. | ||
| Well, there is that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, I think we're in 2020, baby. | ||
| That's a pretty good one. | ||
| Maybe better. | ||
| Maybe better. | ||
| We're in 2020, baby! | ||
| Alright. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I won't say a word against that. | ||
| It's up in the air. | ||
| I'm not sure how I'm going to go with it, but I feel like Alex is... | ||
| I like to let him guide me. | ||
| And to be honest, me saying that over and over again was prompted by my belief that Alex was going to keep saying it. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Because he did at the beginning of the year. | ||
| No, that's true. | ||
| He has not said it since. | ||
| Which is evidence he listens? | ||
| I'm making fun of something that he did not do. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| Alright, it's 2020, baby. | ||
| We're in it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And demons gotta kill you in order to get immortality, which is the oldest trick in the book. | ||
| Oldest trick in the book. | ||
| But apparently, it turns out, there's a weird wrinkle to this. | ||
| Because the demons don't need to just kill you. | ||
| Or the people who are working for the demons. | ||
| Look, they could kill you. | ||
| No, for sure. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that's not going to get them all the way where they need to be. | ||
| Doesn't get their dicks out. | ||
| There's another step. | ||
| They've got to torture you first. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| They're coming to kill you and your family. | ||
| They must kill you in a blood sacrifice, but torture you first slowly, suck everything out of you, and then take your soul to live forever. | ||
| Of course, they'll get nothing but hell. | ||
| So apparently, there's a lot of rules about how this has to go down. | ||
| So many rules. | ||
| There's got to be a blood sacrifice. | ||
| They've got to torture you. | ||
| They've got to take your soul. | ||
| There's got to be some... | ||
| Actual process by which you take a soul. | ||
| All that has to happen in order for this immortality to be achieved, it seems like. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But then you wind up in hell anyways. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So here's my biggest issue. | ||
| Demons aren't real? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| That's easy. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Obviously demons aren't real. | ||
| It is a little pedestrian. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| My biggest issue is if these people aren't immortal. | ||
| Then by definition, that means that these people who have worked for the globalists who are demons in the past have died. | ||
| So if you are working for the globalists now, and you are aware that people who have previously worked for the demons were also promised immortality and instead are dead, then you have to know that you are not going to get immortality. | ||
| So why work for the globalists? | ||
| See, that's the problem with this conspiracy living more than a lifetime. | ||
| Because you have all these examples of all the Rothschilds who have died. | ||
| Right, they worked for the globalists, but then they died. | ||
| But you can't die if you work for the globalists because you want immortality. | ||
| So, if you are now working for the globalists... | ||
| Well, I think I guess the way around it is that they believe that they're going to get this immortality from the demons, but it's all a lie. | ||
| That's the way you get around it. | ||
| I would like to say that that's an unreasonable response, but knowing that we see so many people believe Alex Jones... | ||
| I have to say that there would be enough people to believe that they would get immortality regardless of past realities. | ||
| And I think that given all the information that we have access to, I think it would be very, very easy to talk to a demon and then the demon be like, hey, I got five on it. | ||
| I got you. | ||
| I got you covered. | ||
| And you could be like, nah. | ||
| I don't believe you. | ||
| I don't think you're good for it. | ||
| I think it would be pretty easy at this point. | ||
| Let me hold five. | ||
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Nah, man. | |
| Sorry, man. | ||
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Not happening. | |
| Can't do it. | ||
| You're still holding five. | ||
| Speaking of people that you shouldn't trust, Francis Boyle shows up here at the end of the episode because he has big breaking news. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Sir Arthur Francis Boyle does not really have big breaking news. | ||
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What is it? | |
| He doesn't really have much, but they end up talking about the Alex wants to start off the conversation asking about the various strains of the coronavirus. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And then Francis Boyle, all of his information comes from that Chapel Hill study from 2015. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's so fucking out of line. | ||
| Well, we know this. | ||
| Something's going on with the virus. | ||
| What about how it now attacks the testicles? | ||
| I mean, they're learning more and more, and it's like there's hundreds of mutations now. | ||
| Well, you know, I've read at least five or so, right. | ||
| But if you go back and read that original UNC Wuhan BSL-4 article, they have all sorts of things in there, including HIV. | ||
| It's right in there. | ||
| It just says, yeah, we used HIV, too. | ||
| And it's gain-of-function. | ||
| It's SARS-2 that has been weaponized. | ||
| Francis Boyle is straight up making this up about the 2015 study from UNC Chapel Hill. | ||
| The title of that study is, quote, a SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence. | ||
| You can easily find it on the website for the journal Nature Medicine if you'd like to look at it yourself and read up. | ||
| Boyle is claiming that the study says that they admit they put HIV in the virus, which is a complete lie. | ||
| The only time HIV comes up at all in the text is in this sentence. | ||
| Quote, pseudotyping experiments were similar to those using an HIV-based pseudovirus. | ||
| This is in the section about the methodology of the study where they describe how they used pseudotyping to create a pseudovirus, which is to say that they used an existing backbone of a virus they knew could affect humans and then combined it with a circulating coronavirus to see if the viral material could infect humans if it was in a package that was known humans were able to take in. | ||
| The reference to HIV even has a footnote that Boyle could have followed if he was interested in understanding the study. | ||
| It goes to a 2014 study titled, quote, reversion in advanced Ebola disease in non-human primates with ZMAP. | ||
| This is a study about if Ebola could be reversed in monkeys with the use of ZMAP, a similarly pseudotyped combination of antibodies. | ||
| The 2015 Chapel Hill study in no way says they combined HIV into this coronavirus. | ||
| That's a complete fabrication on the part of Boyle, who should be stripped of his tenure. | ||
| This behavior, like, it really seriously reflects horribly on the University of Illinois. | ||
| Who still employs Francis Boyle. | ||
| They do not? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Has anybody sent a fucking email? | ||
| He's tenured, man. | ||
| It's really hard to get rid of tenure. | ||
| I'm pretty sure if you do this shit, it's not hard. | ||
| Well, we know from Daryl Hamamoto that it's possible. | ||
| It is possible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you're saying that if he was playing a pink guitar, we'd be better off than if he's lying about coronavirus situation. | ||
| No, because I think that Hamamoto might have agitated a lot more locally against Olympic Kotehi. | ||
| That's probably true. | ||
| I think he might have caused more trouble for the university than, like, look, Francis Boyle doing this is fucking embarrassing because he is an employee of the university. | ||
| But it doesn't necessarily cause as much local tension as whatever Daryl was up to. | ||
| I am calling for an honorary degree from the University of Illinois. | ||
| For information leading to the loss of Francis Boyle's tenure. | ||
| I think that you're qualified to give out that degree. | ||
| I'm pretty sure. | ||
| I didn't graduate from school myself. | ||
| Also, this virus is not the same as the current coronavirus. | ||
| The virus from that 2015 study. | ||
| That study involved a virus called SHC014-MA15, and if the current virus was similar to that one, it would be painfully obvious, which is probably a good reason why no supervillain would do this. | ||
| Only imaginary evildoers dreamt up by childish weirdos would ever craft a plan this stupid. | ||
| Which is, you know, what's going on. | ||
| Yeah, it's Sean Connery and the Avengers. | ||
| So, Francis Boyle, he seems to believe that the United States always knew that this was a bioattack. | ||
| Of course they did. | ||
| And they get into that a little bit in this clip. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| In my opinion, I believe the CIA, the National Security Agency, and U.S. military intelligence knew right away that this was an offensive biological warfare agent that came out of that Wuhan. | ||
| Indeed, Tony Fauci knew it right away. | ||
| All he had to do was call it up on his computer to find that UNC contract because he funded it. | ||
| NIAID, his organization, funded this along with NIH and FDA. | ||
| Yeah, so one of the guys responsible in the chain, of course, is running the response so he can cover it up properly. | ||
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Well, that's the point here, Alex. | |
| That's a very dumb, poorly constructed, poorly defended conspiracy that they're pitching. | ||
| But, I mean, what would you expect? | ||
| It's not new, though, too. | ||
| This isn't fresh. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's just that today there were reports that Fauci had to ramp up his security. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because of threats from weirdos like this. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, to be fair, Francis Boyle has been calling him a Nazi bioweapons scientist on Alex's show for months now. | ||
| I'm just saying, we live in a world now where it's like, look, if Fauci came out and he was like, look, I want all my critics to beef up their security because I'm coming for you. | ||
| That makes more sense to me. | ||
| We're living in professional wrestling world. | ||
| Why not have Fauci call out Francis Boyle directly? | ||
| Beef up your security, Boyle. | ||
| Boyle, how about you and I meet in the ring? | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Let's have a celebrity boxing. | ||
| This is the fucking world we live in. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| We have an incredibly celebrated expert in epidemiology and we have Francis fucking Boyle who shouldn't even have tenure anymore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Great. | ||
| You know, is a weirdo. | ||
| So the thing is that, like, I was really struggling at this point in the episode to figure out why Francis Boyle is back on. | ||
| That is a good question. | ||
| Because there isn't new information. | ||
| He just keeps talking about the UNC Chapel Hill study and how it proves everything that it doesn't prove. | ||
| And I kind of realized that he's a prop for Alex. | ||
| Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act. | ||
| And he's on record as the author of that. | ||
| And he, again, represents world leaders at The Hague, the whole nine yards. | ||
| So you want an insider. | ||
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Bad. | |
| Exposing the system. | ||
| You've got it here. | ||
| Not some foggy thing on a 4chan board. | ||
| This is what we bring you is the real deal here. | ||
| This is almost like he's bringing him out to be like, this is what we got. | ||
| Not like your QAnon bullshit. | ||
| It really feels like he's a prop in this play that Alex is putting on where he's still mad about QAnon. | ||
| It seems like he's an extension of Alex's anger at QAnon. | ||
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Right. | |
| How long is Boyle on for? | ||
| Not that long. | ||
| A couple segments. | ||
| Yeah, because I could see this being like a five-minute interview and just being like, hey, we've got the guy who wrote the thing, guys. | ||
| Q hasn't brought you nothing. | ||
| And then you don't have to worry about actually talking to him. | ||
| No, they talk too long. | ||
| Of course they do. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Well, loyal talking is too long. | ||
| Yeah, they talk longer than the... | ||
| You'd want it to just be like a little smash. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| A cameo. | ||
| It's more than that. | ||
| But it feels like that because none of the information is really new and some of it's fucking embarrassing. | ||
| Like how Boyle and Alex clearly understand the difference between correlation and causation. | ||
| You can't reveal that information? | ||
| When you're discussing... | ||
| The Chinese military's assertion that maybe the United States military, when they came over for exercises, introduced the virus here. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They understand the difference. | ||
| People at the NIH know they've committed these crimes. | ||
| They know they're facing life in prison. | ||
| That's why they don't want the public to know. | ||
| The big no-no is that it's man-made. | ||
| The Chinese know it's man-made. | ||
| They're saying the army did it. | ||
| So they've got a problem, don't they? | ||
| Well, you know, Just for your viewers, many of your viewers asked me about the U.S. Army being over there, and we discussed this before, Alex. | ||
| Correlation is not causation. | ||
| And so far, I have not seen a direct chain of causation there. | ||
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That's right. | |
| A city of 11 million or 12 million people. | ||
| So if I'm in New York City, when somebody gets murdered, it doesn't mean I murdered somebody. | ||
| I think that's correct. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| This is so interesting because, you know, These dudes are capable of this kind of thought if they want to. | ||
| I would counsel against it. | ||
| If I were one of their advisors, I'd be like, no, no, no, don't admit to fucking anything. | ||
| Be like Rob Dew in a deposition. | ||
| Pretend you have no idea what's going on. | ||
| So when there's this Chinese assertion that the U.S. Army brought the virus over when they were just there for an exercise, Alex and Francis understand that the fact that the Army people were there doesn't prove that they started the outbreak. | ||
| They realize that further proof is necessary because it's a claim that they're opposed to. | ||
| Now, in terms of Obama selling China the virus, the standard of proof is way, way fucking lower. | ||
| It's weird how that works, how these dum-dums are capable of critical thinking when they want to be. | ||
| And look, Here's a pretty good example of it. | ||
| Like, this is minutes later in their interview. | ||
| Minutes later. | ||
| Yeah, them just being like, nah, correlation, causation, fuck it. | ||
| As you said years ago, look out with Bill Gates and these mosquitoes. | ||
| They released them. | ||
| They admitted it created Zika. | ||
| Now the mosquitoes are mutating and killing a bunch of people. | ||
| Oh, it messed up and kills people. | ||
| I mean, it's just so obvious. | ||
| It's a eugenics operation. | ||
| Certainly that was. | ||
| Those were biowarfare mosquitoes probably coming out of Fort Collins, a special U.S. government lab at Fort Collins. | ||
| To be fair, there's more than a correlation causation problem with what they're putting forth there. | ||
| A little bit more. | ||
| But you see that they're capable of that kind of critical thought when it comes to rebuffing arguments that they're opposed to. | ||
| Trying to sell a weak fucking narrative that they're on board with. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| There's no need for evidence. | ||
| It's all bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, it is so much like a very obvious asymmetrical warfare game being played against people who care about reality. | ||
| And they just don't. | ||
| And so they get to win. | ||
| Because we're on their battlefield, not ours. | ||
| And we just pretend that we're not. | ||
| Well, I think that most people aren't on their battlefield. | ||
| We are, a little bit, because we have chosen to dwell in this ugly space. | ||
| I just mean in the far larger outreach of right-wing propaganda, is that it is never fully kind of comprehended by so many people, that it is... | ||
| Purely asymmetrical. | ||
| You are not... | ||
| When CNN has somebody on parroting Trump talking points or climate denialism or whatever it is, you are not on equal footing. | ||
| Doesn't matter if you're on CNN. | ||
| Doesn't matter if you're on Fox News. | ||
| They are going to say anything. | ||
| And it doesn't matter. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| And as you try and pretend that fact-checking is important, they are going to rape and pillage the world. | ||
| That's just how it is. | ||
| But, you know... | ||
| That being said, I think that we can all agree that the evidence is overwhelming that China bought a bioweapon from Barack Obama. | ||
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Overwhelming. | |
| So Alex gets into that here a little bit after Francis has left. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And this is stupid. | ||
| Look, the evidence is overwhelming. | ||
| Overwhelming. | ||
| Transferred to China by the deep state. | ||
| I'm overwhelmed. | ||
| release it. | ||
| This is the take down of the nationalist movement in our economy. | ||
| The virus does kill people. | ||
| It does reinfect. | ||
| They're not telling you the answer. | ||
| And that's boosting your immunity. | ||
| They'll tell you on the news that vitamin C isn't even needed. | ||
| It's like saying oxygen is. | ||
| If you don't have these things, common cold will kill your ass. | ||
| And Mike Adams has been really Zinc. | ||
| amongst the most unhealthy people on the planet. | ||
| Zinc. | ||
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The good news is the Democrats and deep states'attempt to suppress these facts, especially with the approved drug for 70-something years, hydroxychloroquine, that for hundreds of years was given to British troops before that under another name, pushes zinc into the cells and is massively effective. | |
| They do not want that out, but now the FDA had to approve it, and it's all coming out and being admitted and creating hope. | ||
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This still feels like a sales pitch for the zinc. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| I felt the zinc sales pitch. | ||
| Yeah, it has the same tenor and the same delivery that Alex usually uses, but it's just like he's learning the boundaries. | ||
| I can't actually sell my product, but I can do everything short of mention my product. | ||
| And I don't know if he can. | ||
| It'll be interesting to see if anyone cares. | ||
| I think what fascinates me about this is one of the great joys we had early on in the podcast is you would play for me these things that I didn't know were going to be ad pivots. | ||
| And now what I'm enjoying is not knowing that they're not going to be ad pivots. | ||
| This is the ad pivot that two years ago I'd have been like... | ||
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Oh, shit! | |
| He turned into an ad pivot, and now he's not doing it. | ||
| He's edging me. | ||
| This is infuriating. | ||
| Yeah, a little bit. | ||
| Alex has gotten into edge play. | ||
| So we have one last clip here from our April Fool's episode. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Which, I mean, I wish this was all a joke, but it's not. | ||
| So this last clip, Alex has earlier in the show said we're at war with China. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And it turns out we're also at war with Saudi Arabia. | ||
| Why wouldn't we? | ||
| Which I didn't know about. | ||
| Trump warns of Iran's sneak attack on U.S. Also Iran. | ||
| Of course, Iran. | ||
| Some attacks going on in Saudi Arabia. | ||
| We're in a war with Saudi Arabia now more and more. | ||
| Trump asked them to cut production. | ||
| They wouldn't, so Trump's going to ramp up production. | ||
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Our oldest ally in the middle. | |
| These are the times big war start. | ||
| I'm telling you, folks, when I say... | ||
| Get storable food. | ||
| It's for the possibility of them canceling the election. | ||
| Civil unrest. | ||
| What are the Globals going to launch next? | ||
| Not just this virus. | ||
| Well, we have storable food again. | ||
| Did that catch you off guard? | ||
| That one caught me off guard again. | ||
| You son of a bitch. | ||
| This is the problem with edge play. | ||
| You never know when it's going to come. | ||
| Almost exactly after you're talking about not being able to see the ad pivots coming. | ||
| And then he snuck it in. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| So, anyway, we come to the end of this April Fool's Day episode and whatever the fuck, man. | ||
| I mean, there's just a lot of stupid coronavirus rationalizations. | ||
| It's all incredibly nonsensical rewriting of Trump shit. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| But then the fucking QAnon stuff is really where it's at, man. | ||
| This is what I'm excited about. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Like, here's why doing this show sucks. | ||
| I got really excited. | ||
| Like a month ago, when Alex, for no reason, decided he was going to start getting back into Seth Rich. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was one day. | ||
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That has not come back since then. | |
| Alex decided, fuck it, we're getting back into Seth Rich. | ||
| I'm not afraid. | ||
| And then... | ||
| I'm not going to get back into Seth. | ||
| I'm worried that this is going to be the same thing. | ||
| I'm worried that he's going to be like, I'm calling out the people I know. | ||
| I know who you are who started QAnon. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I'm worried about that. | ||
| But I want it to be like the next chapter because I definitely don't want to just talk about coronavirus all the time. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| There's only so many lies he can really make about it that are interesting to talk about. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I also don't want to talk about all the same sort of archaic conspiracies that we talked about. | ||
| I don't want to just keep retreading old territory. | ||
| Starting a feud with a ghost is... | ||
| Fucking awesome. | ||
| Yeah, I like that. | ||
| That is the kind of thing I want to see from Alex. | ||
| But this is the religious freedom angle on the pills all over again, where it's like, that's the fun thing to do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he's going to fail you, Dan. | ||
| He's going to fail you like he's failed you for every day for three years, Dan. | ||
| Two things. | ||
| One, I made clear in that discussion that I will never give up hope that the next time will be the right time. | ||
| Because otherwise, this podcast doesn't work. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| But second, he ends this episode still, like, without negating or ruining the whole idea that he's going to fight Q&A. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| Good. | ||
| The other episode, like that one, he blew it five minutes in. | ||
| He deflated too soon. | ||
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Yes. | |
| This still seems like a live question when the show ends. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So hopefully, fingers crossed, this turns into a fucking fight and it gets so stupid. | ||
| Alex yelling at non-existent robot Twitter accounts. | ||
| It turns into a thing where they start fucking trolling him really. | ||
| Oh, God! | ||
| Can you imagine the potential of this? | ||
| Now I just want him to do a ghost fighting show. | ||
| I just want him to fight ghosts. | ||
| I understand how you bust ghosts. | ||
| I don't understand how you fight them. | ||
| See, that's what Alex is here for. | ||
| Busting ghosts is easy. | ||
| Any old fool can bust ghosts. | ||
| Bill Murray can bust ghosts. | ||
| But they didn't fight ghosts. | ||
| They didn't get into the ring with ghosts. | ||
| They didn't really see what they were made of. | ||
| Going up against ghosts in a fair fight. | ||
| I would like to see Alex, see if he could gut stomp a ghost. | ||
| I think Alex could do it. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| So, I guess we'll find out what happens with this. | ||
| Man, next Friday's episode will cover his Wednesday episode. | ||
| It's going to be a massive disappointment, Dad. | ||
| It just is. | ||
| This is like Christmas for me. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| I want to speed up time. | ||
| I'm excited too. | ||
| The problem is I am excited even though I know it's going to be a disappointment. | ||
| I'm mostly excited because it's going to be a disappointment. | ||
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I love the train wrecks of this guy. | |
| That would be really great if he pulled a computer chip out of a homeless man's arm next Wednesday. | ||
| That would be the shit. | ||
| That's the prestige. | ||
| That's the shit. | ||
| If he pulls that one out of his ass, he wins. | ||
| I will retire. | ||
| I promise. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I will retire, but I will definitely give it up to my Somali pirate friend, Alex Jones. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we'll be back on Monday, boo, and we'll see what happens with his show. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| When you wish. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| You're looking out the window like Jiminy Crickets out there. | ||
| I was, yeah. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| And I go to bet Jordan. | ||
| We're also on Facebook. | ||
| We are on Facebook. | ||
| And if you like down the show, please go to iTunes, leave a review rate, donate to the Patreon, do the whole thing. | ||
| We love you. | ||
| Yep, absolutely. | ||
| We will be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I'm a guy who went to a castle and felt really cool listening to Depeche Mode. | ||
| And I fought someone with red eyes, but I wasn't scared. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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