April 1, 2020’s Knowledge Fight dissects Alex Jones’ coronavirus episode, where he peddled debunked claims—like China weaponizing COVID-19 or hydroxychloroquine’s 90%+ efficacy—while mocking QAnon’s independence. Dan and Jordan expose his reliance on flawed studies (e.g., France’s 42-patient trial) and profit-driven panic, like zinc supplements tied to his Real Red Pill business. Jones’ shifting narratives, from HIV links to testicle attacks, reveal a pattern of exploitation, culminating in unfounded calls to stockpile food ahead of election chaos. His desperation to control QAnon’s origins underscores his fading influence as fringe theories outpace him. [Automatically generated summary]
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So Alex's flu numbers are inaccurate there, but even so, flu comparisons are by definition stupid.
So I'm just going to leave that aside.
What I want to focus on here is the claim that Mike Adams' estimates are being shown to be correct.
April Fools.
That's fair enough, because this is not okay to say, based on Mike's appearances on Alex's show.
It's impossible to say which of Mike's estimates Alex is talking about.
Mike has changed projections quite a bit over the course of this period, very suspiciously in ways that seemed to be meant to complement Alex's editorial tone.
On the day after China locked down Wuhan on January 24th, Mike famously guested on Alex's show and declared that it was over for humanity and there would only be lone survivors.
On that same show, he literally said that most people would not survive.
On February 8th, Mike returned to the show to misuse an estimate put out by Professor Neil Ferguson in order to estimate that we would be seeing 7,500 deaths a day in China from the virus.
Then Neil Ferguson's estimates, Professor Ferguson, his estimates of 50,000 new infections a day translates to 7,500 deaths a day in China over the next few weeks.
At the point of the writing of this episode, China had experienced 3,312 deaths from the virus, a little more than half of Mike's daily prediction.
Now, granted, of course, you take China's numbers with a grain of salt.
They're still nowhere near what Mike's talking about.
Then on March 1st, Mike and Alex spend a considerable amount of time discussing Rush Limbaugh's comments about the virus having a 2% mortality rate and how half the population, if half the population got infected, that would translate to approximately 3 million deaths.
So by March 2nd, Alex had completely fabricated two Lieutenant Colonel sources who had told him that the Pentagon was predicting approximately 3 million deaths, exactly what he and Mike had discussed when they were talking about Rush Limbaugh.
Alex claimed that the military had been ordered to contact him to let him know this because they needed hardcore patriots to be prepared.
Weirdly, Alex has completely dropped this 100% made-up storyline now because it's not useful to him anymore.
On March 6th, Mike returned to the show with a new computer model that showed a possibility of about 2 million deaths by July, which Alex proceeded to use incorrectly.
Alex was so out of line that Mike had to interrupt their interview to tell him to change the headline about his model on InfoWars to reflect that the model is showing what would happen in the unlikely and possibly impossible scenario that literally nothing was done to slow down the virus.
The claim that China stopped testing people for coronavirus is something that was making the rounds in some right-wing blogs, which is undoubtedly where Alex got it from.
It's all based on an article out of the Daily Apple, which is a strongly anti-China tabloid from Hong Kong.
The reporting hasn't been substantiated by any other source, and it seems unlikely that this is the case, and China is still reporting new cases.
There's substantial questions about China's reporting of numbers, and those things will be clearer in the future.
But at this point, I wouldn't stake my credibility on this unfounded report, an unconfirmed report, which Alex has just decided is on record totally accurate 100%.
So the U.S. has now done over 1.1 million coronavirus tests.
And from what I can tell, that is the most of any country in the world.
However, it's not more than all the countries combined.
Italy's done more than 450,000, and South Korea is about 420,000.
The issue is that the vast majority of these tests in America have been done recently, whereas it would have been way more effective to have done them earlier.
Widespread testing is always helpful, but the point that it could have had the most impact has passed.
So saying that we're doing a ton of testing now is great, but the complaint is more the testing wasn't done when it was needed.
So one of the things that I found particularly interesting about this, and I thought it might have been an April Fool's joke, but it turns out it's not, is that Alex is very insistent that the Senate and like the Pentagon, they now all are sure that this was a bioweapon revolution.
Oh, God damn.
Which I'm not sure where he's getting for that from, but okay.
The consensus at the Senate intelligence and the Pentagon and again, people that are a part of the pro-American camp there is that this is a globalist attack by the deep state through communist China because America was taking over the new world order and Americanizing it 1776 worldwide.
So you had all of these governors, like we talked about on the last episode, who were putting restrictions and regulations in place about frivolous prescriptions because there's a concern about running into a complete shortage.
That if you get it, you're just basically dead or get ready for a ventilator.
Not telling you that if your immune system is boosted and that if you've got a lot of zinc in your body, a lot of D3 and a lot of sunshine and things like that, that it's very hard to get it.
That's just a fact.
And they're so pissed that medical doctors are saying that that a bunch of governors try to block them.
Well, they all failed.
Now the governors like in Michigan that were telling people that hydroxychloroquine was illegal are now begging for it.
And the FDA says, yeah, they have massive success.
90 plus percent, as I said, brought off their own reports.
I was reading major news out of Europe, mainline news, that now they've just capitulated.
The Democrats are failing and blocking the medicine of the people, but it shows they are psychotic filth of the highest order.
So Alex isn't lying that Michigan Governor Gretchen Widmer did assist or did request hydroxychloroquine, but he's lying about why.
She did it at the request of the Michigan Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey, who explained his actions to the Detroit news thusly.
Quote, we needed something to prevent chloroquine from becoming the next toilet paper.
Prescribing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine without further proof of efficacy for treating COVID-19 or with the intent to stockpile the drug may create a shortage for patients with lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, or other ailments for which chloroquine and hydrochloroquine are proven treatments.
Again, these are drugs that have not been proven scientifically or medically to treat COVID-19.
This is exactly the situation we were discussing on a recent episode.
People like Alex and Trump are pretending they found a miracle cure, and because people look up to them, they're making a run on this medication, which is leading to scarcity.
To continue to serve the patients who have these conditions that this is actually used for, people like the leadership in Michigan have had to try to get more of it, which gives the appearance that they're on board with it being a coronavirus cure, when in reality, they're just trying to mitigate the danger caused by Trump's reckless behavior.
Now, the thing that makes it a little more interestingly is that simultaneously over the weekend, the FDA issued an emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine to be used for coronavirus patients.
A couple of very important things to point out about this are that in their declaration, the FDA makes it clear that the main reason for this emergency authorization is, one, there's no available alternative treatment.
And two, the sense that the possible benefits outweigh the expected risks, which, you know, are, you know, death.
So the FDA is very clear that this is not an approved drug and that the science does not reach the non-emergency standard for approval, but we're in an emergency situation.
So they're like, well, let's try it.
It probably won't kill as many people as it might help.
This could end up being really bad news, but it also might not be.
It's really hard to say, but it's important to remember that there is a big difference between this declaration and the rest of the shit we've been seeing.
A health official saying, you know, like, this isn't proven, but we're in an emergency and it might do more to help than hurt.
So doctors should use their discretion, giving it to patients that do test positive.
That's super different than Alex and Trump promoting it as a cure and 99% effective in the studies.
Yeah, well, but yeah, I don't think it's entirely that.
If you read the declaration, there is like, if you do, if you look at the science, under appropriate care, the odds of you dying are probably low from the hydroxychloroquine.
Sure.
If used appropriately with the assistance of a doctor, it's not as unsafe as just everyone taking it.
The UN said back in 1992 at the big Rio de Janeiro Earth Summit for Agenda 21.
Now they've gotten that.
They're now agenda 2030.
They said, we're going to bring in total world government and we're going to bring back human sacrifice like the pagans had to reduce population tear up the families.
We're not going to have single parent or double parent homes single family dwelling facilities.
So Alex gets to playing a clip of Trump talking because Trump's tone did take a pretty big change over the last couple of days where he's like, there's going to be a lot of deaths.
Right.
Hey, if we get 100,000 deaths, that'll be a victory.
Let me recontextualize from this is an entire hoax to don't you realize that by me not doing anything up until now and then doing something means that I have saved probably millions of lives and I'm the hero for this outbreak that I definitely did not call a hoax a month ago.
So in terms of Alex talking about that and leading into the clip, he you know, he kind of ends up admitting that Mike Adams' predictions weren't 80, 90,000 to begin with.
And the globalist shadow organization, this is all came out in the history books of the CIA, only been around two years at the time, tracked down and murdered hundreds of army officers fighting with Shang Kai-shek in China.
And the CIA sabotaged the hundreds of thousands of rifles and weapons by removing the firing pins and by removing the explosives out of the hand grenades after the ships launched from San Diego and Long Beach To China.
That's just little snippets of history.
And you know, I was always read this from the John Birch Society and saw in congressional hearings when I was a kid.
I heard people talking about it.
And then you're talking about like 22 years ago.
I was watching History Channel and had the old former section chief of the CIA bragging.
Yeah, well, a lot of us thought Mao was going to really help China.
And so, working with the Rockefeller Foundation, this guy looked like a mummy on there.
He goes, We've helped him kick Chiang Kai-shek out, and we thought Congress, you know, didn't understand how great Mao was going to be for China.
And he was great.
And so we kicked Shang Kai-she, Shang Kai-shek out.
And I'm sitting there on History Channel watching him talk about this.
So Mao Xedong could kill 80-something million people himself.
So Alex goes down a road on this episode of rewriting the history of the Chinese Civil War.
And considering it's such a huge part of his worldview, I really need him to do better than this.
I can find no citations that the globalists sabotaged weapons being sent to Shang Kai-shek, nor any evidence that the CIA was hunting down pro-Shek soldiers.
I can find plenty of evidence that the U.S. assessed that Shang Kai-shek was doomed to lose that war because he was carrying it out very terribly and not listening to strategic advice.
And they determined that a full-on U.S. involvement would lead to a gigantic war, likely involving a bunch of other countries, and it just couldn't be justified.
I was going through the CIA's FOIA archive of documents about Mao and Shang Kai-shek, and none of the stuff Alex is saying squares with any of the documents I can find.
However, I did find an August 4th, 1958 letter that Alan Dulles sent Shang Kai-shek's wife thanking her for sending him a box of tea.
So it seems like they were on friendly relations in 1958.
I even found a May 24th, 1962 memo that details, quote, a result of a check with the old China hands in the agency and the Department of State.
They found that, quote, the U.S. has always held that the GRC, the government of the nationalists, represents the legitimate government of China.
However, it also does say that in 1949 to 1950, quote, we did inform Shang Kai-shek that the U.S. did not intend to become further involved in the Chinese Civil War.
Alex is making claims that I need to see more proof of, and the best he has is claiming it's in the books or it's been declassified, and that's not good enough.
I've heard him say a hundred times that kind of thing, and he's just making those things up.
I do believe that he read this stuff in John Birch Society.
What gives me no faith in this whole thing is his foggy memory of some CIA section chief on an unnamed show on either the Discovery Channel or History Channel that Alex saw 22 years ago.
I have no idea if this alleged documentary exists, if it says what Alex thinks it does, or anything.
This is as good as providing no evidence, quite frankly.
All the information I can find about the CIA in the period around this time has to do with them doing covert actions to try and destabilize Mao's government.
So I really need Alex to cite some sources here.
A couple of things that are concerning about his memory is that there's no such thing as a CIA section chief.
There was only one CIA station chief in China at that time.
So if Alex has seen evidence of this person saying they were trying to help Mao, it should be really fucking easy for him to know that person's name, have information about their career, have some corroborating evidence, anything.
But he doesn't.
All Alex has is a probably completely false memory about something he claims he saw on the Discovery Channel or History Channel two decades ago.
This is literally indistinguishable from not trying.
He might as well just say that he saw this like history in a dream.
And that would hold as much weight as this argument that he's making here.
Shang Kai-shek was going to lose that war against Mao, and the U.S. knew that there were only two options in front of them.
One was letting the war play out and probably allowing a communist government to take power in China.
The other was becoming directly involved in the conflict, risking a wider war, and in a best case scenario, installing Shang Kai-shek and the nationalists into power by virtue of our military support.
Alex wants the U.S. of the past to do the latter, but he's also invested a whole lot of his career in being the anti-intervention guy.
One of the only positions he's ever held that made people think he's not a total lunatic is a strong aversion to the Iraq war and all these wars of regime change.
I suspect that he knows that it would be impossible for him to argue against regime change wars than claim that the U.S. should have gotten directly involved in a country's civil war in order to pick a winner.
In order to avoid that cognitive dissonance, he and all his extreme right-wing anti-communist types have created an entirely new story of what happened in that war.
So it doesn't look like they wish that they, you know, what would have happened is exactly what they pretend to be against in the present.
Instead of them retroactively calling for a war of regime change, they're really just against the secret regime change that actually was going on where the globalists were supporting Mao.
I'm just saying that if you give your son John Bircher reading material, regardless of whether or not you are an avowed John Bircher, it's dangerous to allow your kid to read something like that when you're a kid without the proper maturity.
Well, I mean, considering the fact that just a few years ago, Alex was trying to pretend that he wasn't into the John Birch Society.
He knew that saying that he was into their shit would prove that he was a completely insane right-wing anti-communist lunatic, which would have hurt the crossover appeal that he was trying to cultivate in all those years.
And he was pretending he was above the left-right paradigm.
So John Birch was definitely working in intelligence in China in 1945, which doesn't that kind of mess up Alex's narrative about U.S. intelligence working to install Mao?
So Lieutenant Colonel James Doolittle served with Birch in China, and I should tell you he's an actual Lieutenant Colonel, unlike the ones Alex makes up.
In his 2009 memoir entitled, I Could Never Be So Lucky Again, he had this to say about John Birch, who he knew personally.
Quote, he had no way of knowing that the John Birch Society, a highly vocal post-war anti-communist organization, would be named after him because its founders believed him to be the first casualty of World War III.
I feel sure he would not have approved.
John Birch is a thing to the John Birch Society, not a person.
He's taken on as their patron saint.
Well, he had no say in the matter, and according to someone who knew him, he probably would not be into it.
And then what Alex is doing is even worse.
He's created a fictional story about torture to apply to Birch to make the narrative better.
So Alex is talking a bit about this CIA shit, and he seems to think that the problem in the world and all of the troubles with the Trump administration, they all are basically about Trump trying to get his people into the leadership.
It got all the funding to get rid of naval intelligence and army intelligence and all the rest of it and to get all the funding to then control and corral that and get its people in.
But as soon as the military realizes that it's checkmate, and now Trump's bringing his people into the CIA, and that's why there's a giant civil war, because we're that close to taking the government back.
We're on the march.
The empire on the run, but the fight is now intensifying.
Yelling about the institutional rot of intelligence agencies being in control of the government means nothing because he wants the intelligence agencies to control the government, but only if his weirdos run the intelligence agency.
This is exactly why political projects of the sort that Alex and his ilk engage in will never lead to real change.
They scream about structural change, but all they want is the kind that puts them in charge of the structures.
Also, since Trump's been in office, there have been three heads of the CIA appointed.
Merrow Park was the acting head for three days right at the beginning of the term.
And then Gina Haspel has been in since May 2018.
Previous to Haspel, who Trump appointed, Trump appointed Mike Pompeo as the head of the CIA for a good 15 months before making him the Secretary of State.
Well, there was Mike Dempsey, who was the acting head after Trump got rid of Clapper.
Sure.
And then Trump appointed Dan Coates, who was in the position for about two and a half years.
And then we got two acting heads.
There was Joseph Maguire, who Trump appointed when Dan Coates left.
He was appointed because Trump didn't want the deputy director to take over, probably because he didn't trust her.
And then about five months later, Trump fired Maguire because one of his subordinates briefed the House Intel Committee about Russia's preference for Trump to win in 2020, which angered Trump because Trump is a baby.
Then Trump replaced him with the former ambassador to Germany, Richard Grinnell.
In his time as ambassador, he was described by ABC News as, quote, viewed as one of President Donald Trump's closest envoys in Europe, which explains why he was involved in the negotiations to arrest Julian Assange, which Alex should not be thrilled with, but whatever.
Grinnell was literally the person who made a verbal pledge that if Assange was handed over, he wouldn't get the death penalty.
And this is one of Trump's closest allies, who he appointed director of national intelligence.
Now, further, someone like Alex should recognize, like, I got really drunk at my CPEC speech and tried to lead the people in a pitchfork rally to free Julian Assange.
know what that's that's his hitler failed as a painter has hitler failed as a painter If Trump had the chance to really get a meaty role in Home Alone 2, we wouldn't be here.
So anyway, Alex believes that the issue is that what Trump needs to do is he needs to come out and very strongly endorse that everybody take hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, a ZPAC, and everything will be cool.
Just as Mike Adams said when he was on a few days ago, he said, the good news is if Trump just promotes ZPAC and hydroxychloroquine and zinc, like the medical doctors are saying, all over the world, China, Europe, Mexico, everywhere, incredible recovery rate.
So Alex is saying there are these studies out of Europe, China, and Mexico claiming super high recovery rates from hydroxychloroquine being used to treat coronavirus.
And he needs to be more careful.
The study from Europe he's talking about was that French study.
And this study should absolutely not be seen as conclusive for anything.
For one, it only included 42 patients in the trials, and six of them did not complete the study with one dying in the middle of treatment.
Of the 42 patients, 26 were given hydroxychloroquine, six were given hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, and 10 were the control group.
All six of the patients who could not complete the trial were in the group that were given hydroxychloroquine, but only one was thought to have been unable to complete it because of a drug interaction.
So maybe some of that is just circumstantial, but because the sample is so small, and the controls aren't good.
Well, they don't give specifics into what was going on.
It's not really factored in well to the explanation of, well, it should screw up their numbers.
Right, right, right.
The fact that they only provided data on the patients for seven days when the trial was supposed to have been 14 is also a huge problem for people who have looked into it.
So it appears that what happened was rushed through the process and published as peer-reviewed, possibly prematurely.
This study may be interesting to repeat with more rigorous standards and a larger randomized set of participants, but from everything I can tell, you should not take this specific finding too seriously.
There are way too many unanswered questions about the study for it to be like, okay.
And I don't know enough about the person who did this study to say that they were using it wrongly.
Maybe their intention was just to give this information as possibly hastily gathered together as it was to people who could then recreate the experiment.
Possibly.
It does serve that function.
And that's, I mean, this is one of the downsides of the interconnectedness of the internet and the free, quick flow of information.
And I'm not arguing, like, again, maybe the results of the study are right on, and maybe everything was followed to a T, but there's too many different things around there that say, I can't trust this.
And so it's not that I'm going to dismiss the findings out of hand, but it's like, I'm not even going to pretend those matter until I have something else.
Well, they're interesting, and you should, like, there are data points that are worthwhile.
But I think when we get to the end of this little chunk that I have to present for you, you'll understand a little bit why some of this information might come out in the way that it does.
So as for the study from China, it's a worse example.
This was a study that was published by the Journal of Beijing University in China, and the conclusion it reached was that hydroxychloroquine was as effective as no treatment.
It too was a really small study of only 30 patients.
15 were given the drug, and after a week, 13 tested negative.
Of the 15 who weren't given the drug, 14 tested negative after a week.
The conclusion in the paper was deemed not statistically significant, and further studies were required to determine if there was any real benefit there.
Another not yet peer-reviewed study out of China of 62 patients did find a decreased time of recovery in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine, but this is unreviewed, and it should not be taken as definitive as yet.
And again, it's only 62 patients.
So I can find no study out of Mexico, as Alex is claiming, that hydroxychloroquine can cure coronavirus.
However, if you just Google those words, you'll find a posting on clinicaltrials.gov, which is recruiting patients for a double-blind study being put on by the National Institute of Respiratory Diseases in Mexico.
According to the posting, the study is supposed to begin on March 23rd, 2020, but would not complete until March 21st.
I'm sorry, March 22nd, 2021.
The results of these trials will likely be far more illuminating than the small-scale studies we have access to at this point, but the results are a ways off in the future.
There's no way Alex could know the results of the study, but if he was just reading headlines, you might see something about a study about hydroxychloroquine in Mexico and just make up the rest.
You never have the preliminary data that people are maybe needing in order to like form other trials to do if you did it like this rigorous standards with a large group of participants and randomization, double-blind, all the standards.
Like, Amlo is still traveling around, flying commercially as much as possible, denying that the situation is happening, shaking hands, doing the whole thing.
So these three countries, or I guess Europe's not a country, but the three places that he said there's studies from, these are the specific things that he's talking about.
One is that French study that's dubious, but possible.
There needs to be more work done on that before you can draw any kind of conclusions.
The Chinese study, the first one, said it's as good as nothing.
And then the other one that more recently came out from China is not peer-reviewed and is unclear.
I had a misguided belief that like, yes, this could be pretty bad, but I have faith in the public health officials and everyone will make the right decisions.
And nope, apparently not.
Nope.
So that's fine.
You can admit that some of your assumptions were turned out to not be accurate, and that's okay.
And my projections are currently between 45 and 90,000 deaths by the end of July.
The White House is currently estimating 100,000 to 240,000.
But look, Alex, the solution is right in front of us.
The solution, I am convinced now, is more masks, more zinc for everybody, vitamin D3, and more testing.
I believe with those four elements in place, I mean nationwide emergency production of zinc and give it out for free to everybody, flood the country with zinc with proper recommendations for proper dosing.
I think we could get America back to work by the end of April.
I would prefer it if he stuck with it's the end of humanity, because now that he's going on this tip, I'm more afraid that it's the end of humanity.
Like when he's like, I think it'll be between 45 and 90,000 if we get all these testing and all these masks, the thing that I said two weeks ago, we don't need to do, and that we're all going to die, but now we're going to be fine and all that shit.
Now, what's interesting to me about this is that Mike is presenting this as a very just like, this is my research, scholarly opinion, as if Alex hadn't been doing recently an ad pitch constantly about zinc in the real red pill.
I mean, maybe people who are deficient could take more, but most people are getting almost zero.
And so there's a chronic zinc denoting to eat any population.
And I think, really, this COVID-19 disease is really a chronic zinc deficiency disease that is a virus, which otherwise would not be very harmful to people.
There are people with malnutrition that may come down with scurvy, but the numbers aren't nearly what Alex wants you to think with like scurvy is making a comeback.
And the solution is always eat an orange.
Zinc deficiency can definitely be bad for people, but also most people get enough zinc as long as their diets include red meat and poultry.
If you're a vegetarian, peas, almonds, and baked beans will give you plenty of zinc.
Or you could take a multivitamin, many of which contain zinc.
The more these dudes talk, the more I think that this is basically an unspoken sales pitch for the real red pill, Alex's supplement with zinc.
I think that Alex knows that if he makes it too overt, he's going to get another letter.
So he's just hyper-promoting zinc as the answer to the coronavirus and trusting that his listeners will put two and two together.
I did the sales pitch for the fact that real red pill has zinc in it in the past.
That was a different episode.
In order for the attorney general to make an argument that I'm doing this, they need to use multiple episodes and I can argue that even of course.
I'm just telling you, zinc is, I believe, zinc is the key to getting America back to work, which can save the economy, save the upcoming elections so we can have elections, so we can have a free society.
We need to end the lockdowns, even from a liberty point of view.
But we need to embrace nutrition, which means we need knowledge.
And we have to end the big pharma stranglehold over our systems.
Big Pharma runs the media.
Big Pharma runs Washington, D.C.
Sure makers.
Big Pharma runs the medical schools and the doctors and the universities.
And they want this to be as bad as possible so that they can position the drug companies and the vaccine companies as the saviors in the end.
They want this to get as bad as possible, have as much suffering and death as possible.
I believe that he doesn't sell a zinc product, but I don't believe that he's oblivious of the fact that Alex has been really trying to push the real red pill because of it having zinc in it.
Yeah, yeah.
It seems just kind of ludicrous.
Pesthetic.
So they're really, you know, the angle is very strongly in the pushing hydroxychloroquine, which is an unproven treatment.
Now, what makes this really difficult as a pill to swallow, pun intended, is that Alex is also trying to pair this with narratives about when they make a vaccine, it'll hurt you.
It'll be an unproven vaccine.
Right.
It's almost like two narratives that should not exist within the same brain.
Ideologically, I want testing available for everyone.
I want the eventual vaccine available for everyone.
I want treatment available for everyone.
But when I listen to Alex Jones, sometimes I'm like, what if the rest of us just covered our eyes for a little bit and then in a few months they're gone?
Like, it's that kind of fury that I have at this liar.
I want to save his life.
And he is actively trying to kill himself and his listeners, Dan.
In fact, the way to beat the vaccine industry, Alex, is to get the word out about zinc and get America healthy and back to work again before the vaccine even comes into existence.
So they can't fudge the numbers and claim the vaccine caused the virus to go away like they did with polio.
It was all a lie.
You know, the vaccine didn't do anything.
The vaccine actually introduced more polio to the world.
And in fact, the number one cause of polio today is the polio vaccine.
They're going to do the same thing with coronavirus if we give them a chance.
So we've got to get the word out about zinc, vitamin D3, hydroxychloroquine, and masks.
Masks are the key.
From now on, anybody riding on public transportation for the next few years needs to wear a mask.
I know it's trouble, but look, there's going to be fashion masks coming out.
There's going to be cool-looking masks.
There's going to be bandana masks, all kinds of stuff.
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It's just going to be wearing shoes or wearing pants.
So it's really fucking easy for the health ranger Mike Adams to sit here in 2020 and say that the polio vaccine didn't do anything.
But I think his tone would be a little fucking different if he were over 70 years old and lived through the period prior to the advent of that vaccine.
It's hard to remember this because most of us have lived our entire lives in the post-polio era, but people were straight up terrified of polio for good reason.
In 1894, the first outbreak of polio occurred in Vermont and caught doctors, well, no, maybe not the world, but recorded in the United States.
And it caught doctors completely flat-footed.
18 people died and 132 were left permanently paralyzed.
At the time, people were fairly clueless about the origin of the disease and concluded based on preliminary information, like things like observing family members not getting sick when one was, that they decided it wasn't contagious.
11 years later, Swedish scientist Ivar Wickman discovered that polio was in fact communicable and that people could have it without developing the severe version, which often led to death or paralysis.
In 1916, a major outbreak struck New York, leaving over 2,000 dead in New York City.
Cases spread across the country with a death toll reaching about 6,000 and also leaving thousands more paralyzed permanently.
For decades, scientists are trying to figure out a vaccine to no avail.
It was just a thing that people lived with, the awareness of a terrifying disease that could kill you, leave you paralyzed, or put you into an iron lung.
The March of Dimes was created as a way of funding medical research into a cure or vaccine.
And through the contributions of millions of folks, they did make some progress.
In 1952, there were over 57,000 polio cases in the United States, with over 21,000 of them resulting in paralysis.
Naturally, with those kinds of numbers, people were pretty anxious for a cure.
And a few years later, Jonas Sulk would conclude his trials, leading to the introduction of the first polio vaccine.
Immediately from 1955 to 1957.
The most polio cases that it the polio rate in the United States dropped between 85 and 90 percent.
Albert Sabin would come along a few years later with an improved vaccine that could be taken orally, and then polio was essentially eradicated in the country.
The last naturally occurring case was said to have happened in 1979, but it wasn't an Amish community.
And I don't mean that to say that Amish are more likely to be anti-vaccinated, but because of the secluded nature, sometimes communities are more under-vaccinated.
Many of the people who had polio but survived, they come down with post-polio syndrome.
And people with PPS make up one of the largest blocks of persons living with disability in the world.
The landscape of disability rights would be a lot different without a lot of the activists in the polio survivor community.
From Ed Roberts, the founder of the World Institute on Disability, who got polio at 14 and had to be in an iron lung, to Judith Heuman, who lived basically her whole life with polio, eventually becoming Bill Clinton's assistant secretary for education and rehabilitative services.
What Mike is engaging here in here is a shocking and offensive erasure of millions of people's experience.
His whole the polio vaccine created more cases of polio shtick is just him misrepresenting what's known as the Cutter incident.
In 1955, a number of recently vaccinated children were coming down with polio and paralysis of the arm where the vaccine was given to them.
When the cases were investigated, they were found that they traced back to Cutter Laboratory.
It was awful, and I'm not minimizing the experiences of the hundreds of people who were affected by the fuck-up, but this was a lab issue, not a vaccine issue.
People were producing the vaccine.
They were not correctly preparing it.
And in the process, the virus itself was not being fully inactivated.
This hurt public confidence in the vaccine itself, and it's used to this day by anti-vax weirdos like Mike to try and claim that the vaccine gives you the disease when it was a function of bad business being done.
If people had been more careful, and actually that led to a lot of conversations about regulation of production of medical stuff.
So in 2017, mostly because the number of naturally occurring polio cases was very small, there were actually more cases of vaccine-derived poliovirus.
So here's how this works.
When you get a vaccine, you're getting a weakened version of that disease put into your body so you can create an immune response to it, which will give you an immunity.
In the case that you're in a population that is under vaccinated, that virus could end up getting picked up by someone who hasn't been vaccinated.
This person will likely be fine because it's just the weakened version of the poliovirus and they'll ultimately end up creating an immunity to it as well, most of the time.
However, if the population uranium is super undervaccinated, it just might be that this virus can jump from person to person for a long time and in the process mutate back into the form of poliovirus that can cause serious problems like paralysis.
The World Health Organization estimates that this process takes at least 12 months.
And between 2000 and 2017, in that 17-year span, this occurred 24 times in the entire world.
And it led to 760 cases of vaccine-derived poliovirus.
god i just don't understand people who can honestly argue against vaccinating their kids it has to be look i i mean not honestly I mean, I get that people believe the anti-vex bullshit.
I get that they believe it, but the arguing of it seems insane to me.
And all that motherfucker Mike Adams has ever given the world is a dumbass Ebola cure that would definitely give you Ebola, a couple of embarrassing rap songs, and this shit.
You know, you got to give it up for them for that.
If it is true that the Surgeon General is putting out disinformation about whether or not masks are helpful for people who don't have the virus, then there's only one person you should talk to about that.
And it's the person who appointed him and could replace him at any time.
And that's your goddamn.
Deep sick!
On March 2nd, Surgeon General Jerome Adams tweeted, quote, seriously, people, stop buying masks.
They're not effective in preventing general public from catching coronavirus.
But if healthcare providers can't get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk.
Then, on April 2nd, there was a headline from CNBC, quote, in a U-turn, U.S. Surgeon General asks CDC to see if face masks can prevent coronavirus spread after all.
No matter what the reality of the situation is, you kind of see how inept the people Trump surrounds himself with are and how you can't really rely on them for good messaging.
It's just such an obvious thing that we're living through right now that when we get past this and we're all again capable of congregating, these people need to face charges.
They just need to face charge.
Like, it is by their bungling of the system directly that many more people are going to die.
Them specifically and their actions have killed people.
That is, I don't know how other to describe that than as a crime, a murder, and they should face charges for that.
So the issue that I have with Mike is that he's framing the situation with the masks incorrectly.
There's a whole lot of debate about whether or not normal surgical masks are going to be helpful in stopping you from being exposed to the virus, particularly if you're in close proximity with someone who's sick and coughing.
Those masks do not create an airtight seal on your face.
So if the virus is emitted in a way that can be transmitted through the air, you'll just come around the side of the mask.
It's not yet clear that this is the means by which the virus is primarily or even largely transmitted, but if it is, then the masks won't really help with that.
However, they are very helpful if you're already sick, as they will be pretty effective at catching droplets on the way out of your mouth.
People who are sick should wear masks if they're out in public.
That is definitely true.
And if it's the case that people can be contagious when they're asymptomatic, which looks like it may be the case, then it would make sense for people to wear masks just in case.
The focus of Mike's angle is wrong, though.
If you're promoting people wearing masks for their own scent, like as a self-defense mechanism, that's nonsensical.
It really only makes sense as a public health measure, which seems public health.
I don't know if he's against it, but it seems to not be at all the way he's presenting this information, as you should wear masks because it'll make it less likely you give something to someone else, which should be the messaging.
But his messaging is, is the same as the fucking chloroquin situation, where it's like, all you're going to do right now, because we don't have enough resources, is draw a large number of people who have a large amount of resources into buying masks, keeping them out of the hands of people who don't have the resources to get them, and then we wind up in a worse-off situation.
And the kind of signaling that it makes that the public is taking the disease seriously.
But there are also downsides, like the fact that most people don't know how to wear masks, and they often end up constantly adjusting and touching their masks, which ultimately leads them to touch their face more, which is one of the main things you're trying not to do.
It's more complicated as a picture than just saying everyone should wear masks and then being like, I'm the health ranger.
What's less up for discussion is that there aren't enough masks to go around right now.
So any advice that involves saying that they're essential and the definite solution here is probably not going to be great.
If medical workers are having a difficult time finding masks, then it's not a great idea to encourage everyone to continue buying up masks unless you're also able to simultaneously seriously boost the immediate supply of said masks.
One thing that I find very interesting is that there's no part of Infowar's model that can really thrive in the context of rational consumption.
Everything needs to be pitched in a way that's likely to create runs on products.
Alex sells his food buckets by saying everyone's out of food, which is meant to cause a hyperinflation of demand.
Alex has reported on chloroquin as a documented miracle cure, and we've seen how shortages of the drug has popped up.
In this episode alone, Mike is saying that the country needs to be flooded with zinc and that everybody needs to be wearing masks, which if everyone took his gospel would absolutely lead to runs on both products.
I'm not saying that these dudes are causing these runs, but their business model is really only built to be profitable when they're able to exploit and ride those waves.
And I think that's something that's worth pointing out and something that maybe isn't all that clear, except when you're in these situations.
They were just reporting on what statements were being made by officials.
One of the sources cited in their article that is Mike and Alex's hero, Donald Trump, who said, quote, I'm sorry, this is from the article, quote, Trump said Tuesday that his scientific advisors made clear the general public shouldn't be competing with hospitals and health workers for scarce masks of any type.
His solution?
Quote, use a scarf if you want, Trump said at the daily White House briefing.
I can't find any Snopes articles about hydroxychloroquine being bad.
They would never say that because they aren't idiots and they realize that the drug has other real uses.
The only real article I could find that covers the subject is about Hannity and Rudy Giuliani's claim that this mysterious doctor had successfully treated all of his coronavirus patients with hydroxychloroquine, ZPAC, and zinc.
The article doesn't say that the claim is not true, just that it's unproven, which is exactly what the doctor at the center of this claim, Dr. Zelenko, said.
Quote, in an interview with Forward, Zelenko acknowledged that his regimen was new and untested, and that it was too soon to assess its long-term effectiveness.
We're going to get into something completely different.
And as a transition, we have Alex coming back in from break.
And I'm going to apologize in advance for this because I think this is going to traumatize some of our listeners because of the music choice that he's using.
Because usually we've seen a lot of him doing the over the sax, you belong to the city.
But what's really funny to me about this is how transparent it is.
Alex wants his audience to think that the reason he's mad is because this is a psyop that's working against these political goals, but that's absurd.
I've listened to Alex's show the whole stretch of time that QAnon's existed, and it's very obvious that he hates QAnon because he was unable to funnel them into his revenue stream.
And the fact that he's starting a fight like this right now, or being like, I'm going to start covering this, it leads me to believe that he wants a publicity stunt.
He wants that, he's looking for some attention out of this, and he's going to try and metaphorically cut a chip out of a homeless person's arm about this.
It seems a little bit like he's trying to start a feud with Joe Rogan in order to get back on the podcast, but he just like he's trying to call out whoever says they're cue and see if they'll get on his show.
But what's interesting is like I've listened to this show like forever and I know that back on January 6th, Alex literally told his good buddy Joel Skousen that he attempted to and wanted to co-opt QAnon.
And sadly, a lot of Trump supporters, including some of my subscribers, I was thinking I'm just going to endorse it and then co-opt it publicly and go, oh, Q says this, Q says that, because everybody loves all the magic stuff because it's definitely a delusional issue and it's sucking up so many good people into it.
Historically, Alex has been able to piggyback and monetize all of the hard right fringe movements that have come along because he's always been the biggest game in town.
And prior to social media, he was able to be very secure in that position.
He situated himself as the head of the 9-11 Truth Folks.
He was able to use the Oath Keepers and his connection to them to co-op much of the Tea Party enthusiasm that bubbled up in the 2009 period and then he perched atop of it.
He was able to frame himself as the king of all sorts of reality-defying conspiracy theories that were popular online, like Sandy Hook and the Boston bombing.
But now, Alex is not needed.
QAnon exists entirely outside of Alex's world, and they don't like him.
If there was a dime in it for Alex to support or play along with this shit, he'd probably be doing that.
But since they're hostile to him, he knows that this is not a fertile market, so fuck him.
This is so funny to me.
And I think it's probably mostly just the result of Alex's interview with Ted Nugent's wife, who's super into QAnon.
It seems like as we go through Alex's grievances with QAnon, a lot of it seems to revolve around the idea that people think QAnon's real, but Alex doesn't get enough respect.
It seems to be like no one likes me as much as that.
I've talked to people who I've known, and they come over real satisfied on the street, and they just go, oh, yeah, sure, you're not at the Q level or whatever.
And I'm sitting there knowing that what I write and what I say gets taken and put in the president's speeches.
You know, the president calls my wife up and says, Man, your husband's a real man.
He's got a lot of courage what he's going through.
The president personally told me, Don't back down.
You're real.
I'm real.
Men like us know the truth, the destiny of America.
But what's crazy about it is the way that starts is Alex being like, I have people that I know come up to me who are into QAnon, like, you're not Q-level.
And a lot of the leftist Jewish lobby attacks me, but that's another Q-ism is that I work for Israel.
I am the most proud of the fact that I am totally independent and a maverick who created the modern talking points that were adopted by the president and his speechwriters as the relaunch of America.
So let me just explain something.
The reason you see me attacked everywhere and the reason they're suing me and trying to kill me and trying to set me up and somebody doxed my house yesterday and called in a fake police report and all the rest of it.
Yeah, the fact that it's like so presented as people in his immediate vicinity, it makes me think that he's really just mad at people around him not giving him the respect that he feels he deserves in comparison to this internet hoax.
My biggest problem with the Q people is it's always, you know, crazy thinking they're on a secret mission with internet trolls manipulating them.
And a lot of it is just people doing it for the fun of manipulating folks.
And then it just becomes a big internet scam of mental illness to see who they can manipulate and control and all this.
And then the woman holds up a baby with Q on its back.
It's 60 yards away.
The president can't even see what's going on.
And they go, look, the Q is there.
He just signed on to it.
It's the total proof.
A sheriff's deputy has a Q on him.
And the sheriff's deputies are wanting to be part of an American Revolution like Fight Club.
They're wanting to come and be in the club with the president.
And then the vice president, you know, is with a sheriff's deputy in Florida with a Q on his deal, and the vice president deletes it because they know and don't want to be part of it.
But then the president tweets my reporters and myself while they're telling him not to this year and last year.
People go, that means nothing when the president tweets you.
It means nothing when you have Robert Barnes on and messages the president and the president tweets that tweet and that show.
That's nothing.
Talking to the president, the president calling your wife up, telling her how great you are.
None of that matters because I am not God Q, the master of the universe.
What's really interesting to me about this is like, obviously, there's a headline that's easy to write on this story, and that is that Alex takes aim at QAnon.
It does get the feel of like the young eat the old.
Isn't it inevitable if you are a conspiracy theorist famous enough for long enough that eventually you will be the subject of the very conspiracy that you are pretending to fight against?
But he's not going to actually call whomever fake the Q is in any way.
That's true.
So I think who has the, like, I wouldn't be surprised if Steve Pieczenik had the balls to just take that swing and be like, you know, Alex, I started Q.
Like me and a bunch of my librarian friends and a couple lit professors, and we'll just go around and be like, if you don't mean what words mean, you don't get to use those words anymore.
I think that there's a lot of specifics there, and we're not in a position to really know who this is hinting at, but it's definitely hinting at somebody that probably is very well determinable.
Like if you were really into QAnon, I bet that you know almost exactly who Alex is probably talking about.
Taps it down and is not promoted, but people still go looking for the magic moment that they're finally not rebuffed by the vice president or the president.
While our guests are openly promoted by the president and this show is openly promoted despite all the attacks on all of it, oh, that's nothing.
So in Alex's narrative, Q is real for three days, and then it was co-opted.
And since then, Trump has not supported it.
But that makes no sense.
As recently as March 8th, Trump was retweeting QAnon-related content, something he has a really consistent habit of doing.
On January 2nd, the Daily Beast reported on how in the evening of December 27th, 2019, Trump retweeted or quote-tweeted approximately 20 accounts who promote QAnon conspiracies.
Trump invited QAnon people to his social media summit.
He invited Lionel to the White House, and he's done basically everything he could possibly do to amplify and encourage QAnon followers, short of directly saying it's true.
In terms of the things that Trump has publicly signaled, he's given way more tacit and direct support to QAnon than Alex.
And that's probably because Alex isn't useful anymore.
If I were Alex, I'd be pissed too.
But I probably wouldn't have ever gotten into this stupid situation where I'm competing with a completely lunatic, decentralized conspiracy theory for the president's respect and attention.
That's a bad place to be.
Even if you win that, that's not a good situation.
In my situation, it was like you realize that if you get into that position where if you don't have a reasonable expectation that you have leverage to get that raise, even if you deserve it, if you ask for it and the answer is no, then you got to quit or you got to accept it.
And if you accept it, you can't ask again without them having that ability to say no.
No, it's ironic to me that for somebody whose professed ideology is almost entirely about decentralized conflict and the way that those types of groups can function independently, yeah, a leaderless resistance, he has no concept of how to battle against a leaderless resistance.
Well, I mean, hypothetically, there is because there's still someone posting as Q. Really?
Yeah.
So there is still like a hypothetical thing, but like the point at which we're at now, like the reality of QAnon is so insane and so diverse that like you can't really take issue with like, because you could be like, hey, you guys are a bunch of idiots.
You believe that JFK Jr. is alive.
There's a large contingent that doesn't think he's still alive.
And they'll be like, no, you got the wrong idea about QA.
I said six months ago, I'm going to put bumper stickers out that say, you put them on all the orders that say, I am Q, Infowars.com.
If all of you go out and say, hey, Q is going to expose that hydroxychloroquine's really great, they didn't want you to know and make it about real stuff, it's awesome.
But it's not Dungeons and Dragons and live-action roleplay for everybody.
So I like the idea that he's saying this isn't live-action role-playing, but I put out bumper stickers that said, I am Q.
And if people went around and just used my narratives and applied them to this fictional character, which would kind of be live-action role-playing, it seems like it.
That would be great.
And it's not live-action roleplaying.
That would be silly.
So you suggested that the only way this should play out is that Alex just says the name of the person if he knew it.
Yeah.
But it turns out there's another way that you could play this.
Sure.
Especially if you're really just trying to get attention.
Months ago, I released that Obama ran torture facilities inside China with the Chinese government, and that Blackwater, XC at the time, who you hired services, ran these facilities.
That's like ultra-secret information.
No one reported it, no one cared.
Okay, you can send Obama to prison for that.
It's total weaponization of evil.
And I just wanted Trump to know.
And I was bringing up some other stuff, I wanted to get a message to the president that day.
So I just added, oh, let me create something incredibly secret and just a little something for you that, you know, the army gave me.
You know, I don't know if folks have heard like Delta Force or any of that, but see, this is the real world right here.
So I have legitimately no idea what story Alex is talking about about Obama using Blackwater to torture people in China, mostly because there's no story about this on Infowars.com, and I can find zero corroborating information anywhere.
So you noticed that bleep, and I went and found the video of this, and here's what he actually said: I don't know if folks have heard like Delta Force or any of that, but see, this is the real world right here.
And there are things like this every now and again, but like there is also like a look on his face after he says horse shit where it's like someone said in his ear, like stop dude.
Well, but it's the exact same thing that you sort of touched on a bit earlier, and that is the thing with Rogan.
And he even brings that up.
It's like, I gave Rogan a chance.
And it's because you were trying to get a media stunt out of this.
The reason that you give that window as opposed to being like, fuck it, here's the reality, is because you want to get coverage from, I mean, you want to get coverage from Media Matters.
You want to get coverage from right-wing watch.
You want to get people tweeting about it.
You want to get people making fun of the fact that you're doing this because it's organic.
Even if it's making fun of you, it's still free press.
And Alex is in such a desperate position right now.
Now, granted, I mean, the position that we're in, because of the lives we live at this show, I have made peace with the fact that I'm very excited about how this narrative plays out.
Mostly because I know it's going to be a dud.
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It's going to be Geraldo opening that tomb forever.
Well, I mean, it's just everything you can imagine.
Thomas Jefferson was asked, oh, God, bro.
It was the Virginia Commonwealth.
It was in a letter.
They said, what is the level to which tyranny would invents itself?
And he said, my dear fellows, it is the level of that.
There's no end to the rapacious rapine of these psychotic minds, of these evil minds, of these wicked brains that just seek power over reality and to overthrow reality and twist it around in forms that make them feel good.
I'm not sure how I'm going to go with it, but I feel like Alex is.
I like to let him guide me.
And to be honest, me saying that over and over again was prompted by my belief that Alex was going to keep saying that because he did at the beginning.
My biggest issue is: if these people aren't immortal, then by definition, that means that these people who have worked for the globalists, who are demons in the past, have died.
So if you are working for the globalists now and you are aware that people who have previously worked for the demons were also promised immortality are dead.
I would like to say that that's an unreasonable response, but knowing that we see so many people believe Alex Jones, I have to say that there would be enough people to believe that they would get immortality regardless of past realities.
I think that given all the information that we have access to, I think it'd be very, very easy to, you know, like talk to a demon and then the demon be like, hey, I got five on it.
He doesn't really have much, but they end up talking about the Alex wants to start off a conversation asking about the various strains of the coronavirus.
And then Francis Boyle, like all of his information comes from that Chapel Hill study from 2015.
Francis Boyle is straight up making this up about the 2015 study from UNC Chapel Hill.
The title of that study is, quote, A SARS-like Cluster of Circulating Bat Coronaviruses Shows Potential for Human Emergence.
You can easily find it on the website for the journal Nature Medicine if you'd like to look at it yourself and read up.
Boyle is claiming that the study says that they admit they put HIV in the virus, which is a complete lie.
The only time HIV comes up at all in the text is in this sentence: quote, pseudotyping experiments were similar to those used, those using an HIV-based pseudo-virus.
This is in the section about the methodology of the study where they describe how they use pseudotyping to create a pseudo-virus, which is to say that they used an existing backbone of a virus they knew could affect humans and then combined it with a circulating coronavirus to see if the viral material could infect humans if it was in a package that was known humans were able to take in.
The reference to HIV even has a footnote that Boyle could have followed if he was interested in understanding the study.
It goes to a 2014 study titled, quote, Reversion in Advanced Ebola Disease in Non-Human Primates with ZMAP.
This is a study about if Ebola could be reversed in monkeys with the use of ZMAP, a similarly pseudotyped combination of antibodies.
The 2015 Chapel Hill study in no way says that they combined HIV into this coronavirus.
That's a complete fabrication on the part of Boyle, who should be stripped of his tenure.
This behavior, like, it really seriously reflects horribly on the University of Illinois, who still employs Francis Boyle.
No, because I think that Hamamoto might have agitated a lot more locally against Mika Katehi.
That's probably true.
Think he might have caused more trouble for the university than like, look, Francis Boyle doing this is fucking embarrassing because he is an employee of the university, but it doesn't necessarily cause as much local tension as whatever Daryl was up to.
In my opinion, I believe the CIA, the National Security Agency, and U.S. military intelligence knew right away that this was an offensive biological warfare agent that came out of that Wuhan BSL-4.
Indeed, Tony Fauci knew it right away.
All he had to do was call it up on his computer to find that UNC contract because he funded it.
NIAID, his organization funded this along with NIH and FDA.
I'm just saying we live in a world now where it's like, look, if Fauci came out and he was like, look, I want all my critics to beef up their security because I'm coming for you.
That makes more sense to me.
We're living in professional wrestling world.
Why not have Fauci call out Francis Boyle directly?
When you're discussing the Chinese military's assertion that maybe the United States military, when they came over for exercises, introduced the virus here.
So when there's this Chinese assertion that the U.S. Army brought the virus over when they were just there for an exercise, Alex and Francis understand that the fact that the Army people were there doesn't prove that they started the outbreak.
They realize that further proof is necessary because it's a claim that they're opposed to.
Now, in terms of Obama selling China the virus, the standard of proof is way, way fucking lower.
It's weird how that works, how these dumb dumbs are capable of critical thinking when they want to be.
I just mean in the far larger outreach of right-wing propaganda is that it is never fully kind of comprehended by so many people that it is purely asymmetrical.
You are not like when CNN has somebody on parroting Trump talking points or climate denialism or whatever it is, you are not on equal footing.
Doesn't matter if you're on CNN, doesn't matter if you're on Fox News.
They are going to say anything and it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
And as you try and pretend that fact-checking is important, they are going to rape you.
The good news is the Democrats and Deep State's attempt to suppress these facts, especially with the approved drug for 70-something years, hydroxychloroquine, that for hundreds of years was given the bread of troops before that under another name, pushed the zinc into the cells and is massively effective.
They do not want that out, but now the FDA had to approve it, and it's all coming out and being invented and creating hope.
I think what fascinates me about this is one of the great joys we had early on in the podcast is you would play for me these things that I didn't know were going to be ad pivots.
One, I made clear in that discussion that I will never give up hope that the next time will be the right time because otherwise this podcast doesn't work.