Today, Dan and Jordan take a break from Alex Jones to take a look at a fun little stretch from the career of Alex's predecessor, Bill Cooper. In this installment, the gents discuss the time that Bill decided that he and his listeners were going to buy a giant media conglomerate and thereby save America.
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| Knowledge Fight. | ||
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| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are. | ||
| Knowledgey beverages. | ||
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Knowledgey beverages? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what we should call them. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Since we're not doing as many novelties as we do before, we might as well update it for our specific stuff. | ||
| But yes, Dan, indeed we are. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Dan? | ||
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| Dan? | ||
| What up? | ||
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I got a question for you. | |
| Okay. | ||
| What's a bright spot you got? | ||
| Well, interesting. | ||
| You should bring that up. | ||
| I have, actually, someone brought this to my attention a little bit ago, and I try not to go on it too much because it seems navel-gazy-ish and a little uncomfortable, but I think it's really cool, and I want to give a shout-out to it. | ||
| That is, someone created a Reddit, a subreddit about the show. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| At reddit.com slash r slash knowledge fight. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There's a knowledge fight board where people have a conversation about various things. | ||
| Jordan screams too much! | ||
| I can only imagine that's a frequent source of conversation. | ||
| People coming up and talking about the various things that come up in the show. | ||
| It's really cool. | ||
| That is really cool. | ||
| I also, I don't think it was from this. | ||
| But someone did send me a message that we also actually predicted the coronavirus. | ||
| Did we? | ||
| Of course we did. | ||
| That might be something that has come up on the Reddit board. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| Of course we have. | ||
| So in that episode that we did where a dude who's mad at Carrie Cassidy interviews a time traveler, he talks about how... | ||
| What was it? | ||
| Martin Luther King's granddaughter or great-granddaughter is going to be president, but she wouldn't be the right age. | ||
| And so we discussed how the political realignment would need to happen for that to happen. | ||
| And one of the things was a massive outbreak of a disease that mostly kills older people. | ||
| And so I've gotten multiple messages from people who are like, you guys predicted this, and also these time travelers are right. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| The time travelers are right. | ||
| We may owe these time travelers an apology. | ||
| That is so funny. | ||
| Of course we would accidentally... | ||
| Alex tries so hard to predict everything and he's always wrong and naturally we would... | ||
| We were joking. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| About what the surrounding context of this 19-year-old becoming president would be. | ||
| Well, now I'm actually kind of excited. | ||
| I bet she's going to be great at the job. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Hopefully. | ||
| She's a little young. | ||
| Yeah, it's tough at that age, but we'll see. | ||
| Anyway, what's your bright spot? | ||
| I'm going to go with, and I don't mean this to be too blanket, but documentaries, Dan! | ||
| Love documentaries! | ||
| That might be too blanket. | ||
| No, it's too blanket. | ||
| Specifically, I've been watching... | ||
| Tiger King? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Although, I did. | ||
| Everyone did. | ||
| Everybody did. | ||
| You didn't. | ||
| No, I don't have a password. | ||
| And I already... | ||
| You get it. | ||
| No, it's not that. | ||
| I remember I looked into that story a while back, like when it was making the rounds on blogs and stuff. | ||
| And I remember a lot of the details of it. | ||
| I was going to dismissively say, I already know, but I'm sure there's so much stuff I have no idea about. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| I'll get around to it. | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| You're not going to... | ||
| Don't worry about the national discourse. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Specifically, like, really... | ||
| Really specific, really specific documentaries. | ||
| Like, just one of them is Fastball, which is just a documentary entirely about the Fastball. | ||
| Not the band. | ||
| No. | ||
| Who sang The Way. | ||
| Where are they going? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where are they going? | ||
| Without ever knowing. | ||
| Without ever knowing The Way. | ||
| They made up the band! | ||
| God, that song was everywhere. | ||
| It was huge. | ||
| Where's Fastball? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I gotta be honest. | ||
| I haven't heard that song in a long time. | ||
| I don't remember hating it. | ||
| Making documentaries. | ||
| I love that song. | ||
| I do also like hyper-specific documentaries. | ||
| The ones that I love were the books. | ||
| The micro-history books. | ||
| Salt. | ||
| That book just about Salt. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, there's so many interesting stories. | ||
| And then there's just this one that's been released on... | ||
| This podcast is kind of a micro-history. | ||
| I think it kind of is, isn't it? | ||
| Of course we're fascinated with micro-histories. | ||
| No, there's one that was just released on YouTube made by this guy. | ||
| Just about how one guy... | ||
| Had all of the record high score or fastest times for Mike Tyson Punch-Out! | ||
| And it's a story about the entire community of Tyson Punch-Out! | ||
| fans. | ||
| Yeah, that's a real niche community. | ||
| Going hard and like, we're going to find a way to beat this guy's scores. | ||
| And when they do it, at the end of this documentary, I'm like, yeah! | ||
| I need sports. | ||
| I need sports back in my life. | ||
| I want baseball, Dan. | ||
| I want baseball back in my life. | ||
| You know, recently you were talking about getting really excited watching people play Mario. | ||
| I need sports. | ||
| I need competition. | ||
| Well, you'll get it soon. | ||
| Somebody play tennis for me. | ||
| For my amusement. | ||
| One day soon, Jordan. | ||
| But it's great. | ||
| Thank you to everybody who's involved over there at the Reddit board and watch some documentaries. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode. | ||
| Sort of whack. | ||
| Lucky Wednesday. | ||
| Gonna talk about some non-Alex Jones related stuff. | ||
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| So, Jordan, today, I've got an interesting thing to talk about. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| We're going to talk a little bit about Bill Cooper. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Now... | |
| We've talked a little bit about Bill Cooper on the show in the past, and how he's clearly one of Alex's heroes in the period where Alex was just getting started in media. | ||
| I have a very strong drive to do a lot more coverage about Bill, since I find him fascinating. | ||
| But one of the problems I've run into is that Bill's show is often pretty fucking dry. | ||
| A lot of it is him reading long, drawn-out passages from his own book, or a letter from one of his listeners who's a member of his dumb intelligence-gathering operation, Kaji. | ||
| You combine that dryness with how completely out of line Alex's show has been in the past few months, and you have a recipe for me not having the kind of time I need to create the kind of Bill Cooper content I think our audience deserves. | ||
| Rest assured, though, those episodes will come hopefully soon. | ||
| In my exploration of Bill, there's a whole lot of exactly what you expect. | ||
| There's a whole lot of old-school conspiracy theory. | ||
| There's a lot of pretty extreme right-wing militia sensibilities. | ||
| There's an overwhelming sense of distrust of most of the other people in the militia media landscape. | ||
| It's what you expect. | ||
| I've noticed that one of the things that I resonate most with in terms of doing this show is not the expected, but the peculiar. | ||
| The ways in which Alex is similar to Bill Cooper are largely uninteresting. | ||
| They both love guns, they hate taxes, they have shockingly low standards of evidence for absurd things they want to believe and report as truth. | ||
| What interests me far more is the ways in which Alex is a worse version of the person he's emulating. | ||
| On our last episode about Bill, we experienced how much more competent Bill is at presenting information. | ||
| Someone trying to prove something, as opposed to Alex, who just yells about nonsense and insists it's been proven already. | ||
| Go look it up. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's in the white papers. | ||
| Alex is basically always saying, like, Bill did it. | ||
| But without saying that. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Further, we saw how much better Bill was at broadcasting, how he clearly planned his shows out in advance and incorporated music into the show to reinforce themes. | ||
| Today, we're going to look at another difference that I've found between Alex and Bill. | ||
| This difference is a strategic difference, and it's one that makes me think that Bill was pretty sincere about his beliefs, regardless of how dumb they are and misguided his ideas are. | ||
| The difference begins in a similarity. | ||
| Starting out their careers, both Bill Cooper and Alex Jones had to know that the odds were not in their favor. | ||
| They both had views in politics that are not really welcome in mainstream conversation, so the odds of them getting a widely syndicated radio show like Rush Limbaugh or getting a TV show on an actual network, incredibly slim. | ||
| We've seen that Alex responded to this difficulty by trying to create his own empire. | ||
| He got a little bit of a foothold. | ||
| He started in the local Axis TV show, and then he got a radio show because his dad agreed to pay for advertising. | ||
| And then from there... | ||
| No, he pulled himself up by his bootstrap stand. | ||
| From there, he found a crazy dude in Ted Anderson who had a gold sales operation that needed a pitch man. | ||
| Alex rose through the ranks through that. | ||
| Publicity stunt after publicity stunt along the way. | ||
| He managed to create a cottage industry for himself. | ||
| But at no point would you ever get the sense that he's not what's important. | ||
| Alex is Infowars. | ||
| Alex is the head of the Liberty Movement. | ||
| Alex is the man who mainstreamed 9-11 truth. | ||
| Alex caused Brexit. | ||
| It's all about him. | ||
| He's a megalomaniac. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And all of the things, all the trappings, everything around it is in service of building up this greater... | ||
| Yeah, he's monetized delusions of grandeur. | ||
| True. | ||
| But the strategy is born out of that megalomania, and his strategy is specifically create your thing. | ||
| He knows that he has no place in mainstream world. | ||
| He's never going to have a column in the New York Times. | ||
| He's never going to be on Salem Broadcasting, syndicate all these other sort of mainline conservative talkers. | ||
| He's never going to be on Fox News. | ||
| He's never going to have a job in a place of cultural legitimacy. | ||
| So he knows I have to create my own thing. | ||
| I believe that Bill Cooper is really interesting because He saw a broader picture than Alex. | ||
| He had to create his own thing in the same way that Alex did. | ||
| So he wrote Behold a Pale Horse and it became an underground classic. | ||
| He started his own radio show that ended up becoming this shortwave broadcast hour of the time. | ||
| And by October 1993, he was at a point where he realized there are other ways to do this. | ||
| I'm never going to get my own show somewhere else. | ||
| And maybe I have a limitation in terms of how big I can make this without turning into what Alex has become. | ||
| I may be assuming that's what he thought. | ||
| I don't know entirely. | ||
| But on October 15th, 1993, Bill Cooper launched an initiative on his show that I think is one of the most interesting things that a conservative right-wing militia weirdo would ever think to do. | ||
| Tonight, we're going to talk about... | ||
| The media that you and I, the listeners and the people here who produce the hour of the time are going to purchase, folks. | ||
| And we are going to do that. | ||
| So Bill Cooper has realized correctly that he has no place in mainstream shit. | ||
| He's built his thing and his audience up to a certain point. | ||
| Best strategy by the media. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| That's the trick. | ||
| If you're the boss, you are on your own show. | ||
| Alex is proof of that. | ||
| Alex would never think to do this, or it wouldn't be something that he would want to do. | ||
| Bill Cooper is like, alright, look, I don't like the media. | ||
| We can change that. | ||
| All we have to do is buy it! | ||
| So he's saying that he wants a large group of people to pool their money together in order to achieve a goal that's not possible by himself. | ||
| Well, look. | ||
| Well, sure, there is that. | ||
| But the interesting thing is, it's very unclear what his plan is as he launches this initiative. | ||
| But it is very clearly. | ||
| Ambitious. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The whole media? | ||
| No. | ||
| Just a major conglomerate. | ||
| So he starts out here on the 15th of 1993 in October by talking about why you would want to do this. | ||
| And it's because the media has destroyed. | ||
| So you must reclaim it to rebuild. | ||
| It is absolutely necessary for us to take back this country. | ||
| Since the media has been the main element, it appears to me, in its destruction, then it also appears to me that we need to get control of the media. | ||
| The only way to do that in a capitalistic republic is to purchase the media. | ||
| He's now wrong. | ||
| ladies and gentlemen what we are going to do now he's wrong laughs laughs laughs laughs laughs Bye. | ||
| God. | ||
| So again, we find a thematic song being used to open the show. | ||
| In this case, it's Winger's track from the Bill& Ted soundtrack, Battle Stations. | ||
| Some choice lyrics from that song. | ||
| Take no prisoners, open fire, battle stations. | ||
| Someone's trying to brainwash me! | ||
| Battle stations! | ||
| Wild stallions! | ||
| It's the season to resist pre-programmed morons computer sleaze. | ||
| It's not nearly as fun of a song as Make It Big, but it's definitely an intentional choice that Bill is making. | ||
| Like, fucking someone's trying to brainwash me, Battle Station. | ||
| It's like, you're talking about buying the media. | ||
| Of course, it's great. | ||
| He's doing what he does. | ||
| Bill's interesting because he seems like a real lyrics guy, you know? | ||
| Like, he doesn't particularly have a genre of music. | ||
| No, played the fucking deep cut from the Beach Boys and now Winger. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's not about the music. | ||
| It's just like, man, this guy is saying it like it is. | ||
| I think he might actually like Dead Prez or something like that. | ||
| He might be surprisingly like, yeah! | ||
| Turn off the radio! | ||
| Turn off that bullshit! | ||
| We'll never know. | ||
| No one asked him back then what he thought about Stickman. | ||
| So Bill gets back to talking about this. | ||
| And in this episode here, on October 15th, Bill doesn't know which company he wants to buy. | ||
| But he knows that he wants him and his audience to buy a giant company. | ||
| So he starts by talking about Paramount. | ||
| The group consists of KRRT-TV in San Antonio, KXTA-TV in Dallas, KXTH-TV in Houston, WDCA-TV Washington, D.C., WLFL-TV Riley Durham in Carolina, WTXF-TV in Philadelphia, Madison Square Garden, the arena, the New York Knickerbockers Basketball Club, the New York Rangers Hockey Club, the SRO Pace Motorsports, | ||
| and they own 65% of the Miss Universe pageant auto thrill shows in publishing they own Allen & Bacon Computer Curriculum Corporation Linden Press Pocket Books Poseidon Press Prentice Hall Q Silver Burdette Gin Simon & Schuster Ladies and gentlemen, this is one of the companies that we are considering purchasing. | ||
| Now, I'm going to tell you what we really have to consider more than anything else, is how many shares can we purchase with our dollars? | ||
| Today, Paramount Communications Incorporated closed on the New York Stock Exchange at $77 per share. | ||
| They have 118 million shares outstanding. | ||
| To be effective and control the policy... | ||
| And the output of any corporation, we must own a minimum of 10% of the outstanding stock. | ||
| So, Paramount Pictures, ladies and gentlemen, or Paramount Communications, which owns Paramount Pictures, is within the realm of our doing. | ||
| I think there might be some faulty assumptions there. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| I didn't go back and check stock prices or anything. | ||
| I'm just going to assume those numbers are accurate. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I still don't think if you have 10% of the shares, you have controlling interest in a company like Paramount. | ||
| That's not usually how it goes. | ||
| And then if you have 10% of the business of Paramount, you now control the Knicks. | ||
| Yeah, that's how it works. | ||
| I don't know about this. | ||
| No, no, I'm pretty sure that's how it works. | ||
| But even if all that's true, what he's suggesting is absurd. | ||
| To purchase 10% of the shares in Paramount using his figures, you would need to scare up $847 million. | ||
| And that's in 1993 dollars. | ||
| So if everybody gives a dollar, it only takes 847 million people to come together and buy! | ||
| Dude, that's over $1.5 billion in today's money. | ||
| And he thinks this is something that's an option. | ||
| It's in the realm of possibility. | ||
| So at this point, he's still not clear what he's suggesting. | ||
| Like, is it everyone send in money and then I can buy 10% of the shares? | ||
| Or is he saying you should buy? | ||
| It's unclear. | ||
| That is, yeah. | ||
| But it's very weird. | ||
| So Paramount is one option. | ||
| But there's one company that is not an option. | ||
| Turner Broadcast. | ||
| Because they don't own enough. | ||
| Viacom Incorporated. | ||
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| 120 million shares. | ||
| Outstanding, according to our Kaji report. | ||
| And we have to put it on the back burner because it doesn't own enough. | ||
| But it is in the media business. | ||
| Viacom. | ||
| It's on the back burner. | ||
| Not big enough. | ||
| It doesn't own too much. | ||
| Viacom, not on Bill Cooper's radar to buy. | ||
| It's too small. | ||
| Man, see, now that's where he was wrong. | ||
| What you gotta do is you gotta get down on the ground floor, you know, whenever Viacom only has 120 million shares at $58. | ||
| That's when you buy. | ||
| Because now look at where we are. | ||
| Viacom owns everything. | ||
| So I would say that was a miss on his part. | ||
| But I will give Bill credit to an extent. | ||
| And that is he does know his limitations. | ||
| General Electric Corporation. | ||
| That's too big. | ||
| $96 at the close today. | ||
| They have 864 million shares outstanding. | ||
| It is out of our reach. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You cannot buy General Electric. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| I'm going to agree with him on this one. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| A rare instance where hubris isn't complete. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Somehow his limitations are like, wow, 50 a share with 120 million. | ||
| Too low. | ||
| 90 a share with 800 million? | ||
| That's too high. | ||
| It's not about the money. | ||
| 77 a share at 118 million. | ||
| That's where we're at. | ||
| That's our sweet spot. | ||
| I think it is about the money with General Electric. | ||
| They have too many shares outstanding. | ||
| His math doesn't work out. | ||
| But with General Electric, it wasn't, I'm sorry, with Viacom, it wasn't about the money. | ||
| No. | ||
| It was about, they're not big enough. | ||
| It's too small. | ||
| Small potatoes. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| They don't own enough. | ||
| They're not in that Goldilocks range. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| So there's a problem with Bill's plan, which he still hasn't really spelled out exactly yet. | ||
| But the problem is that once he starts putting this into action, and once they take control of a media entity, what's going to happen is that the establishment is going to sabotage them. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You can understand that when the establishment figures out what we are about, what we are doing, there will be efforts to deny us business. | ||
| Unions may go on strike. | ||
| Corporations that are owned by them, such as Champion International Corporation, may all of a sudden not have newsprint to furnish to our newspapers if we have newspapers. | ||
| So once we take control of these conglomerates that own newspapers, we will dictate all the terms of what goes in those papers. | ||
| And as a way of fighting back, the people who supply the supplies to create newspapers will probably not give us... | ||
| Unions might strike. | ||
| I would say maybe they would if you're just trying to force them to print militia propaganda. | ||
| I think that would probably be a good reason to strike. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| This is silly. | ||
| We're like 20 minutes into this episode and I'm already realizing this is nonsense. | ||
| If I were talking to Bill, one, I would say worrying about the establishment reaction. | ||
| Is putting the cart before the horse. | ||
| Big time. | ||
| Yeah, I'm going to go with that one. | ||
| We need to focus on the early planning stages. | ||
| That's what I'm saying to you right now. | ||
| Early planning. | ||
| Especially since, at this point in the episode, he hasn't really made clear what the plan is. | ||
| No, I think he's declared himself King of America. | ||
| I can't stress this enough. | ||
| He's sitting there on this episode, like, really looking over these gigantic companies, and it seems like a guy talking about, like, we could own all this. | ||
| Like, you're a kid looking at a catalog, and you're like, I could order any of these things. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's SkyMall. | ||
| He's treating American companies like SkyMall. | ||
| It feels like that. | ||
| And he doesn't seem to recognize that. | ||
| Just because this is the parent company, it doesn't mean that all of the decisions of the constituent companies are dictated by the board of the parent company. | ||
| They're more interested in just owning things. | ||
| They're not interested in running things. | ||
| If they wanted to run things, they would run a business. | ||
| Or let's say X company is owned by Y company. | ||
| X company is incredibly profitable and doing well. | ||
| Y company is not going to change what X company does and risk it becoming unprofitable. | ||
| Militia propaganda. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| The biggest problem with the New York Times has always been not enough militia propaganda. | ||
| Wall to wall. | ||
| What I do appreciate is the blind idealism. | ||
| Yeah, it is nice. | ||
| It's aspirational. | ||
| And in these times that we find ourselves in here in 2020, it becomes a thing where that kind of thing could be very refreshing. | ||
| And I appreciate it a little bit. | ||
| No, I said King of America, but it does remind me of that guy in San Francisco who just declared himself King of America, where it's just like, man, you took such a big swing that people are around you just going like... | ||
| You're crazy, but you know what? | ||
| I'm all for you. | ||
| I knew a guy back in Columbia, Missouri who was a vagrant drunk guy on the streets all the time who declared himself the king of Columbia. | ||
| Everybody would salute him and bow like, oh, king? | ||
| I think he was kind of an asshole, but people did humor him a bit. | ||
| Anyway, in this next clip, Bill suggests another company that they might buy. | ||
| And I think this is where he starts to get into the nuts and bolts of how this would work. | ||
| And this is dumb. | ||
| CBS Incorporated closed today on the New York Stock Exchange at $272.58 per share with 13 million outstanding shares. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| That is a lot. | ||
| 13 million outstanding shares, which means all we would need is 1,300,000 Americans to buy one share at $272.58. | ||
| If it stays at $272.5 and we would own 10% of CBS Incorporated, when the rest of America found out what we were doing, I can guarantee you, ladies and gentlemen, they would jump on the bandwagon and we could possibly own much, much more, maybe even as much as 20-30% of CBS Incorporated. | ||
| This is outrageous. | ||
| So the plan is everybody in the audience go ahead and buy one share and then we will all collectively... | ||
| The coordinating of a couple million people is probably going to be prohibitive. | ||
| It's going to be difficult to get all on the same page in terms of making decisions. | ||
| Also, doesn't that mean... | ||
| That all 1.3 million Americans have an equal share together, and their opinions are all equally valid? | ||
| But you would assume they would all act as one. | ||
| They would have to, right? | ||
| Which is a bad assumption. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| If I know anything about conspiracy theorists, they agree about everything. | ||
| I was just thinking, like, conspiracies are crazy because it's pretending like 10,000 people. | ||
| Like, the globalists are so many people, and it's so implausible that that number of people would act as one. | ||
| Without anybody sharing the details. | ||
| And he's like, okay, let's ramp it up to 1.3 million people. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| What an insane person. | ||
| Good idea, Bill. | ||
| That is great. | ||
| So there's that. | ||
| And then there's the assumption that once people figure out what we're doing, the other stockholders will get on board with us. | ||
|
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See, now that's... | |
| I was thinking the complete fucking opposite of that. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Because then you're like 90% of people who view you as a hostile takeover. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Why would they do it? | ||
| It's so... | ||
| Just... | ||
| It's so dumb. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Also, just that there are laws. | ||
| Companies don't just... | ||
| I mean, it is legal to buy stock in things. | ||
| It is legal to buy stock in things, but it's not like controlling a share. | ||
| No, but let's also consider that businesses... | ||
| Understand that things like this can happen. | ||
| Not like this. | ||
| No, not like this. | ||
| But someone coming in and buying up a bunch of stock, like a hostile takeover, there are things that businesses can do. | ||
| They can offer more stock. | ||
| They can have stock buybacks. | ||
| And so there are processes, like defensive mechanisms, that businesses can have to avoid corporate piracy. | ||
| Can you imagine? | ||
| This is the best. | ||
| Can you imagine the headlines? | ||
| If he did successfully get 1.3 million people out of business immediately. | ||
| All the audience spent all their money on stock and now can't support the business. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| It's just the best. | ||
| That's a swing. | ||
| That's a big swing. | ||
| That's a big swing. | ||
| I love Bill Cooper so much because he's such a den of surprises. | ||
| There's these things. | ||
| He's not an idiot, but this is dumb. | ||
| This is fucking dumb. | ||
| It's the kind of thing that I used to think when I was a kid. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I used to mow lawns when I was a kid, and I legitimately thought, I can remember this viscerally thinking, I'm going to make a business out of this, and this is going to make me Thousands of dollars. | ||
| I had a printed out sheet of paper with prices for sizes of lawns and trimming hedges and stuff. | ||
| I have the ability. | ||
| I have the labor. | ||
| People have a need. | ||
| Why wouldn't they pay me to mow their yards? | ||
| I was looking at people's lawns and I was like, alright, there's... | ||
| 20 lawns on this block. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That's a couple hundred bucks. | ||
| Every week, too. | ||
| They need lawns mowed every week. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And the plan made total sense because I was a fucking kid. | ||
| This is how it feels to me, this idea that I had a million people sign my petition. | ||
| If those million people all buy $250 worth of stock and somehow all coordinate, I will own CBS. | ||
| Do you know, it reminds me more of when I had the idea to talk to a few of my friends and I was like, okay, none of us can afford a Nintendo on our own, but if we pool our money together, we can share it. | ||
| And that's between like five people. | ||
| And the more I thought about it, the more I was like, who gets it when? | ||
| And thus begins the troubles, you know, like you're going to fuck up. | ||
| This trouble will be resolved later. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Poorly. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| But whatever the case, both of those examples we have are when we were kids. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Because this is not adult thinking. | ||
| As an adult, you're like, oh, no. | ||
| A pie in the sky, I thought, is fun, and it's filled with hope. | ||
| And as we all know, the governors are trying to get rid of hope. | ||
| They're outlawing it. | ||
| It's also providing us with this fun decades later, so I appreciate that. | ||
| Yeah, thank you, Bill. | ||
| So CBS is in the running. | ||
| General Electric is out. | ||
| Viacom's out. | ||
| Not enough. | ||
| Not big enough. | ||
| Paramount is in play. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| And also, you brought this up earlier, Turner Broadcasting is in play. | ||
|
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Of course. | |
| Oh, of course it is. | ||
| Our agenda is Turner Broadcasting System. | ||
| Extremely attractive for all of us. | ||
| It's well within our reach. | ||
| Well within our reach. | ||
| The New York Stock Exchange at $25.70 per share. | ||
| It's nothing. | ||
| 176 million shares. | ||
| Outstanding. | ||
| Now, don't let the 176 million shares scare you at $25.78 per share. | ||
| There's no one in this country who really loves and cares about this country who could not afford to buy eight shares. | ||
| Disagree. | ||
| You may not be able to do it today, but you could certainly do it in a month simply by setting aside some money or two months. | ||
| We're going to do this. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| He doesn't even bring up that Ted Turner's crazy. | ||
| I know. | ||
| When he said Turner Broadcasting, I was like, Ted might be crazy enough to be sold on this idea. | ||
| No, Ted's politically the other direction. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| But also, he does bring up that they own the WCW, which is great. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| But 93 is before the New World Order came around. | ||
| He was probably an old-school Hulk guy. | ||
| I think in 93, Hogan was in WWF. | ||
| No, I mean him. | ||
| Oh, Bill? | ||
| Yeah, I bet Bill was an old-school Hulk Hogan guy. | ||
| Well, who is he going to root for? | ||
| A foreigner? | ||
| I would think Sergeant Slaughter, but then he turned his back on America during the Iraq War. | ||
| See, there you go. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| Who's the most jingoistic character? | ||
| Probably Hulk. | ||
| Yeah, it had to be Hulk. | ||
| At that time, yeah. | ||
| So, Turner Broadcasting in play, also another entity that you may not have heard of before, but is a big entity. | ||
| They own the USA Today. | ||
| Gannett is also in play. | ||
| Gannett Company, Incorporated. | ||
| Gannett is the largest newspaper group in the United States, headquartered in Arlington, Virginia. | ||
| Gannett owns and operates 81 daily and more than 50 non-daily newspapers, with average daily circulation topping 1.8 million. | ||
| The company's USA Today is second only to the Wall Street Journal. | ||
| So we're talking about a major, major corporation here in the media. | ||
| Possibly too big. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Do you know what's crazy? | ||
| This whole thing? | ||
| Now that I'm thinking about it, this is shockingly similar to Sinclair Media. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| I mean, the way that Sinclair Media has bought up all of these local news stations slowly and gradually over time, and now from the top is directing them to spout right-wing propaganda. | ||
| What you're talking about is the exact opposite of what Bill is suggesting. | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| If Bill was like, alright, for $85, I can get this station in the middle of nowhere, and then kept doing that, that would be like Sinclair. | ||
| See, now maybe he should have done that. | ||
| His plan was worse. | ||
| Look. | ||
| Like I said, Bill's not an idiot, but this is dumb. | ||
| This is dumb. | ||
| This is very dumb. | ||
| This is dumb. | ||
| So we got Gannett is in the running. | ||
| Turner Broadcasting. | ||
| I'm amazed at how specific he's being. | ||
| Well, he has his intelligence agency, Kaji, doing the research for it. | ||
| It's like, I'm looking at this and it's like, this sounds like he has a clear-eyed plan to accomplish this shit. | ||
| All of the information, he's just reading off something that one of his listeners sent him. | ||
| He does bring up that Kaji did all the figuring out what these conglomerates own and all that. | ||
| So he's just working off the team. | ||
| Okay, I gotcha. | ||
| So we got another entity that's in the running. | ||
| We got another plan? | ||
|
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Uh-huh. | |
| The next is Time Warner Incorporated. | ||
| Gets even better, folks. | ||
| Even better? | ||
| Don't you just love it? | ||
| $41.3 per share. | ||
| Let me say that again so nobody's confused. | ||
| $41.3 per share with 93 million shares outstanding. | ||
| Outstanding. | ||
| Well within our reach. | ||
| How many shells are outstanding? | ||
| Insane. | ||
| So Time Warner. | ||
| Insane. | ||
| Insane. | ||
| So, well within our reach has never been stretched to the breaking point more. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When I first heard that, I was like, what the fuck is wrong with you? | ||
| What do you think is your reach? | ||
| What is wrong with you? | ||
| Time Warner is within our reach. | ||
| Well within our reach. | ||
| The thing that gets me is the well within our reach. | ||
| Like, within our reach suggests you're like... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| We can do this, but it's going to be a struggle. | ||
| Well within our reach is like, guys, we could do this tomorrow if we wanted to. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| I'm not trying to be a dick and say no one listens to Bill because he's very popular at this point. | ||
| He's a cult hero for his book. | ||
| Maybe it's too strong to say the king of shortwave, but he's a pretty big name in conspiracy right-wing militia shortwave radio. | ||
| He does not have an unsubstantial audience, but he's way too big for his britches here. | ||
| This is a situation where Time Warner buying it 10% of the companies within our reach is just like, you think Way higher than you are. | ||
| You are out of pocket. | ||
| This is the first time that it's like, I'm really like, there's Alex. | ||
| That idea of like, oh, I'm not... | ||
| Look, I have a big audience. | ||
| I have a big audience, but no, my audience is billions of people. | ||
| That kind of shit. | ||
| And I think that's one of the reasons why I wanted to do this episode is because as you go along, you see a little bit more of Alex in this. | ||
| And it's not... | ||
| It's interestingly not on a content level. | ||
| It's very much on a personal... | ||
| Megalomaniac level, yeah. | ||
| Kind of. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But it expresses slightly differently. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think one of the things that's really interesting about this is Bill's basic idea is smart. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The idea that, like, okay, I might have a limitation in this empire that I can build myself, but... | ||
| The problem that I see is that the media doesn't report things in a way that I view as accurate. | ||
| How can I change the media? | ||
| That is good thinking. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| The way he decides to go about it, Alex-y and dumb. | ||
| But the thought is a smart thought. | ||
| I mean, how would you? | ||
| If you diagnose the problem as the media is lying all the time... | ||
| Why wouldn't you want to do something to change it? | ||
| You're misguided, but whatever. | ||
| My frustration here is that, as far as I understand his principles, the idea of 1.3 million people coming together and pooling their money collectively is anathema to them. | ||
| That's a union. | ||
| He's creating a union. | ||
| There is a problem there, and I would... | ||
| Caution you to ignore that, just because you'll get bogged down too easily. | ||
| Right, I'm sorry. | ||
| But also, consider, like, okay, so just using the Paramount example, that was $847 million that would be needed to buy 10%. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| That's a big union. | ||
| If you're able to mobilize that level of money, you shouldn't do it that way. | ||
| Because, like, the Sinclair example is perfect. | ||
| These entities are already too big. | ||
| You're not going to get the bang for your buck that you want there. | ||
| If you can mobilize $847 million, you could do devastating things if you use that money wiser. | ||
| On a small scale, you can destroy... | ||
| Yeah, and that will then trickle up as bottom-up movements always do. | ||
| I think he might have had a better... | ||
| Uh, strategy possibly if it wasn't 1993. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| There is, you know, you have to, you do have to consider the state of technology at that point prior to social media. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Um, so there is, there is a certain amount of like, what could be done to disseminate information cheaply is different, but still, it's still a bad plan. | ||
| The thought though, good. | ||
| No, he does, it is something where it's like, If you are meditating on your problem, the media, then this is something, this is an idea that if you're in a writer's room, somebody floats. | ||
| Somebody floats this and they're like, why don't we buy it? | ||
| And then you guys start talking and you're like, we can't buy it, obviously. | ||
| That's not going to work. | ||
| This is silly. | ||
| Move on to your next idea. | ||
| The problem, though, you still stay with the problem. | ||
| The problem is that the writer's room is catchy. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The problem is they're all children. | ||
| So I don't think that if you buy 10% of a company, you now control it. | ||
| I don't think that's true. | ||
| From everything I can tell, and I remember from my economics classes, generally, to have a controlling interest in a business, you need 51% of the stock. | ||
| And that's where you're stupid. | ||
| And there's different kinds of stock, too. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But anyway, Bill thinks that if you have 10% of Time Warner... | ||
| Listen to this shit. | ||
| This is absurd. | ||
| I want to hear it. | ||
| They own 19.1% of Turner Broadcasting. | ||
| In other words, if we purchased Time Warner Incorporated, we would own 19.1% of Turner Broadcasting Systems, CNN. | ||
| So why even talk about buying Turner? | ||
| If Time Warner owns 19% of Turner Broadcasting, if you buy 10% of Time Warner, you then have double what you need to control Turner. | ||
| So in that case, isn't Time Warner the parent company of... | ||
| And then if anybody... | ||
| What if you have a company where more... | ||
| One guy owns 10%, one guy owns 11%, one guy owns another 10%. | ||
| They're all controlling interest. | ||
| What is going on? | ||
| It's funny that he's incorrectly, correctly diagnosing a big problem, which is that all of these media conglomerates own parts of other media conglomerates. | ||
| Oh, sure, yeah. | ||
| The interconnectedness of a lot of these businesses is... | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| I didn't double-check a lot of this, but if Bill's accurate, then it is a problem. | ||
| Yeah, that's a problem, man. | ||
| He's even pointing to it. | ||
| There's so much of stuff where Bill always seems like, He points at the problem, and then his solution exacerbates the problem. | ||
| Like, that's his thing. | ||
| Unlike most of the right witches, like, don't look at that problem. | ||
| Just don't even worry about it. | ||
| He's like, this is an issue. | ||
| And what I think we should do is gather an army of llamas, and then we will be able to defeat them on the battlefield. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| And you're like, okay, alright. | ||
| Just makes sense. | ||
| I can't argue with you. | ||
| So we've already touched on the fact that it's unwieldy to have... | ||
| One point something million people all have to agree on. | ||
| All have equal. | ||
| Well, they all have to agree on this. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And so in this next clip, Bill explains the solution to that problem, which I think is a problem. | ||
| Fascism. | ||
| No one's going to get a penny of your money. | ||
| You are going to purchase your own stock. | ||
| You are going to have it issued to you in certificates with your name on it. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because I'm telling you to, that's why. | ||
| The reason you don't buy gold and have somebody else store it for you. | ||
| Always. | ||
| That way, you know that you own it. | ||
| All we want you to do is sign a proxy slip giving us the voting rights to your stock. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| If we don't do this, our vote will be fractured and we will not have control. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Now, if anybody objects to that and you don't want to do it, you better let me know now because I don't want to put my heart and soul into making this work. | ||
| I don't want to build the organization and follow it through and make it work only to see a bunch of idiots squabbling over who is going to hold the vote. | ||
| If that's going to happen, I want to know about it right now in the beginning because I don't want any part of anything like that. | ||
| I don't want any squabbling. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| I don't want any squabbling about who's going to hold the vote because it's fucking me. | ||
| I am going to control Time Warner. | ||
| I, Bill Coor. | ||
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You are all sideway your voting rights to me. | |
| This is all just a gigantic project to get him in charge. | ||
| And I guess he could pretend that whatever decision I make is in the best interest of my audience. | ||
| I mean, you could tell yourself that. | ||
| But it's really just, I want to control. | ||
| I want control and I want you to give it to me. | ||
| I don't like the media and I would like all of your money to buy me a controlling stake or what I believe to be a controlling stake in a gigantic media company. | ||
| I love that he's already resenting people fucking up the thing that is impossible to do. | ||
| It's so much like... | ||
| And here's the thing. | ||
| After we own this, and I've established my business running the entire media world for about five years. | ||
| And a gigantic success. | ||
| People are going to tear me down. | ||
| And I hate those people. | ||
| And they're like, dude! | ||
| Dude! | ||
| Don't worry about it yet! | ||
| That's a good problem to have, Bill. | ||
| You gotta walk before you run, Bill. | ||
| So Bill goes to calls at the end of the show. | ||
| Of course he does. | ||
| I bought nine shows. | ||
| His call system is really interesting because he just has a phone number and people can call in. | ||
| Maybe he picks up or maybe he doesn't. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| No call screeners. | ||
| If he has a guest, they have to call in. | ||
| But everyone knows the phone number. | ||
| So if other people call in, the guest can't get on the line. | ||
| I've heard a number of episodes where he's checking in to see if a guest is there and it'll be a caller. | ||
| He's like, I told you all not to call in tonight. | ||
| If you guys keep calling in and my guest can't get through, we're not taking calls anymore. | ||
| Is that the pre-taped advice show? | ||
| That's Mr. Show. | ||
| That's the pre-taped question. | ||
| That's so funny. | ||
| It's so charming in a certain way. | ||
| It's childlike. | ||
| It has a childlike innocence to it. | ||
| Or naivete. | ||
| I don't even think it's naivete. | ||
| I think what it is is a guy doing the best he can with no competence in the world of production. | ||
| And then also no support. | ||
| There's no one outside of maybe a couple of ideological associates he has who are radio professionals who are making this slick. | ||
| And he can't afford to pay anybody. | ||
| So we got a phone number. | ||
| And let's be honest, you can't trust anybody. | ||
| That could be an FBI informant. | ||
| It could be a snitch. | ||
| It could always be a snitch. | ||
| In Bill's world, I think his wife was probably a snitch. | ||
| That's the way he comes off to me. | ||
| There are a number of people that he targets, even over the course of these couple episodes we're listening to, that I've seen him cut clips of. | ||
| He hates this guy named Tom Valentine, who's another radio guy. | ||
| He insists he's a Mason, which is proved by handshakes that Kadji members did with him. | ||
| He knew the Masonic handshakes, but it's way too complicated to get into, so I just left it aside. | ||
| This is so good. | ||
| He has a weird intelligence gathering network. | ||
| He's got a Scientology group. | ||
| It's spying on everybody for him. | ||
| It's so funny. | ||
| Hey, Bill, I ran into Tom Valentine, and I did the Masonic handshake with him, and he gave it back to me. | ||
| That's proof. | ||
| He proved everything I needed to know. | ||
| He's another radio guy who's in the right-wing sphere, and so Bill kind of thinks he's controlled opposition or something. | ||
| Anyway, Bill goes to calls, and he gets this caller who I think has a pretty good piece of advice for Bill. | ||
| Good evening. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Hey, this is Terry calling from Atlanta. | ||
| Hi, Terry. | ||
| How are you? | ||
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I'm in for ten shares to start. | |
| All right. | ||
|
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But I'll tell you what, I'm going to be your bad conscience again. | |
| That's okay. | ||
| Sometimes I need a conscience. | ||
|
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Don't get your hopes too high. | |
| You know your audience. | ||
| Well, I don't have to get my hopes too high on this. | ||
| You see, I know most Americans want to own something that they never could own before, and they want to really... | ||
| This is different from the March on Washington. | ||
| This is something they can hold in their hands. | ||
| This is something they can really do. | ||
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Yeah, but you're talking to a lot of people that keep their money under a mattress. | |
| Maybe you're right about that. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| That is a problem. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| That caller being just sort of a voice of... | ||
| Come on, Bill. | ||
| Hey, buddy. | ||
| You're talking to people who bury their money. | ||
| Yeah, but the caller is also like, Bill, I support you. | ||
| I got your back, but don't get your hopes up. | ||
| That is funny. | ||
| You know your audience is notoriously suspicious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I appreciate that caller. | ||
| That is really... | ||
| That caller is like a real positive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not all of these calls are going to end up being great. | ||
| Well, that's the only one from this episode. | ||
| He gets a caller in another episode who hates the Jews. | ||
| Well, that doesn't surprise me. | ||
| That caller, not so uplifting. | ||
| That doesn't surprise me. | ||
| So, at this point, we end the 15th. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Bill hasn't decided what company he's going to buy. | ||
| This episode was really just feeling it out. | ||
| It wasn't supposed to decide. | ||
| It wasn't supposed to be. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Don't judge him. | ||
| I almost did a spit take whenever the idea that he hasn't decided which company to buy yet. | ||
| He has millions and millions of dollars at his disposal, and we've just discussed the possibilities. | ||
| So on the 21st of October 1993, Bill comes back on air. | ||
| I mean, granted, he has other shows before that. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| He has... | ||
| He comes back, and it's been decided now. | ||
| Okay, he's fleshed out his idea. | ||
| He knows what he's going after. | ||
| Yes, gotcha. | ||
| And he announces... | ||
| He's feeling on top of the world. | ||
| Like, everything's going pretty well. | ||
| Folks, we are... | ||
| We're doing it. | ||
| Got a lot of calls from a lot of people today buying stock in our media venture. | ||
| Not 1.3 million! | ||
| Let me give you the closing quote today. | ||
| Was the 50... | ||
| Let me see. | ||
| $50.25 at 4 o 'clock today. | ||
| It was down 5-8. | ||
| Today's high was 51-1-8. | ||
| Today's low was 50-1-4. | ||
| It opened this morning at $51 per share. | ||
| Yesterday's close was 50-7-8. | ||
| So it's down now, folks. | ||
| So jump in. | ||
| Now's the time to buy. | ||
| Now's the time. | ||
| I guarantee you, when all of us begin to buy our stock... | ||
| And other people get in on this venture, it's going to go up. | ||
| If you're procrastinating on this, you're making a big, big, big mistake because we're going to own this company and we're going to tell America the truth about what's happening not only in this country but in the world. | ||
| So he's decided on Gannett, the owners of USA Today, among other papers around the... | ||
| I mean, again, this is probably a function of the time that this was created in, that you think that the singular focus, like, alright, we're going to prioritize on somebody who owns a ton of papers, as opposed to newer media. | ||
| Slowly gobbling up papers. | ||
| It's funny. | ||
| That probably sounded like a great plan in 93. Did they not have decimal points back then? | ||
| When did the decimal point get invented? | ||
| Was that about 2015? | ||
|
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What do you mean by that? | |
| Oh, because of the fractions? | ||
| I think that's how stocks are listed, though. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| No, I mean, if I check them now, they're listed with decimal points. | ||
| Not in the paper, though. | ||
| Oh, that might be true. | ||
| See, that's what I'm saying! | ||
| I was jokingly asking, but also I wasn't sure. | ||
| Now it's out to the fourth decimal point, too. | ||
| Yeah, I feel like back... | ||
| That doesn't seem all that foreign to me. | ||
| I feel like back in the day... | ||
| Fractions are foreign to me. | ||
| I feel like fractions were used on stock tickers back in the day. | ||
| If it's good enough for Dewey, it's good enough for you. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So we're going with Gannett. | ||
| Now, the theme that Bill uses on this episode... | ||
| I don't have any clips of it. | ||
| We're going with Gannett. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't have any clips of the music that he plays, but it's just from Disney, When You Wish Upon a Star. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| God, that's so funny. | ||
| He has no interest in music. | ||
| He reads music. | ||
| He doesn't listen to music. | ||
| No, there's no lyrics. | ||
| It's just the instrumental of When You Wish Upon a Star. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it has this, of course, it's this idealistic, we're doing it. | ||
| It's a metaphorical song. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| So, most of this is dedicated to taking calls from people about the plan to buy Gannett. | ||
| And here is one caller who claims he's bought some shares. | ||
| I'm not sure, based on the details, if I believe him. | ||
| Good evening, you're on the air. | ||
|
unidentified
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Oh, hello, this is Bill. | |
| Bill, I'm here in Southern California. | ||
| I just want to let you know I've got 10 shares. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| Where'd you get them? | ||
|
unidentified
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Up there, Pasadena. | |
| What brokerage did you use? | ||
|
unidentified
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Oh, God, now I've got to look it up. | |
| Well, you don't have to look it up. | ||
| What price did you get? | ||
|
unidentified
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I don't know yet. | |
| I just ordered them yesterday, and he bought them for me today. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
|
unidentified
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I see. | |
| I haven't been notified or sent anything yet. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| Yeah, you'll be getting... | ||
|
unidentified
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I sent him the check yesterday. | |
| Did you tell him you wanted the voting shares? | ||
|
unidentified
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Oh, yeah. | |
| He said, well, I don't see there's any other. | ||
| I said, well, make sure I get voting shares. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
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I don't see any other listed. | |
| I said, well, make sure I get voting shares. | ||
| If there's nothing else listed, that's what you're going to get is voting shares. | ||
| Okay. | ||
|
unidentified
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Anything else? | |
| How do you feel about it? | ||
| Oh, good. | ||
|
unidentified
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I think it's a good idea. | |
| Feel good? | ||
| I don't think that guy bought shares. | ||
| Oh, it's just me, an old prospector from 1949. | ||
| So where'd you get those shares? | ||
| Oh, I sent a check to the guy. | ||
|
unidentified
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Oh, cool. | |
| Don't tell me anymore. | ||
| He's going to mail them to me. | ||
| Where'd you pay for them? | ||
| I got a check. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| Oh, yeah, cool. | ||
| Are they voting shares? | ||
| They're the only shares I heard of. | ||
| That's a guy who's making shit up. | ||
| Only shares I saw. | ||
| So I don't know if that's a 10 you can put on the board or not, but here's another caller to give you a little bit of the temperature. | ||
|
unidentified
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Hi, Bill. | |
| Hello. | ||
|
unidentified
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I'm Andy from Detroit. | |
| Hi, Andy. | ||
|
unidentified
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I'm really excited about this plan. | |
| Good. | ||
| Andy, I need you to put your receiver right in front of your mouth and talk a little louder. | ||
|
unidentified
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Okay, how about this? | |
| That's a little better. | ||
|
unidentified
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Let's turn down the radio. | |
| Yeah, turn it off. | ||
|
unidentified
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I was on the move there. | |
| I haven't bought any yet, but as soon as I save up some dough, I'm going to get some. | ||
| But I'm busy spreading the word. | ||
| So he's excited, and he's spreading the word, but he hasn't bought any. | ||
|
unidentified
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He's spreading the word. | |
| Can't buy any yet. | ||
| Also, Bill might be a dead prize fan. | ||
| He just told him to turn off the radio. | ||
| I know, I heard it. | ||
| I was listening to that, and I was like, hell yeah, turn off that bullshit. | ||
|
unidentified
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So you got a guy who... | |
| Sometimes it's like putting on a blindfold. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| You got a guy who's like, I don't believe him, bought stock. | ||
| Very suspicious caller. | ||
| And then another guy who's excited but hasn't bought any. | ||
| So, so far, so good. | ||
| We're 0 for 2. Bill... | ||
| It starts, you know, ruminating about what's going to happen whenever he takes over Gannett. | ||
| See, again, we're really putting the cart before the horse here, Bill. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So what he's going to do is he says, I'm not going to fire anybody. | ||
| This isn't going to be a situation where I take over Gannett and then I fire everybody at all of the underlying businesses. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Although, it turns out a lot of people would end up getting fired. | ||
|
unidentified
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Well, yeah. | |
| And, you know, we're not going to purchase this corporation to fire everybody and cause a big calamity. | ||
| And what we're going to do is go in and tell them what we want. | ||
| And it's very important. | ||
| So you've got a situation where it's like, okay, Bill, your first episode... | ||
| Of your broadcast was about that Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is a fake fucking document that's easy to figure out is fake. | ||
| Now, let's assume that you take over Gannett and you want USA Today to publish that document on the front page as true. | ||
|
unidentified
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Right. | |
| Now, let's assume some editor does a little bit of legwork. | ||
| Fired! | ||
| Exactly. | ||
|
unidentified
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Sorry. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| No, exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's what would happen. | ||
| That's what he imagined. | ||
| I know. | ||
| He managed a complete breakdown of any kind of standards. | ||
| He would turn it into the Inquirer in a week. | ||
| No, this is absolutely... | ||
| I mean, USA Today isn't even... | ||
| I'm listening to this going like, is this guy Jim Spanfeller? | ||
| Did Bill Cooper fake his death and then buy Gizmodo? | ||
| Is that what happened here? | ||
| This is insane. | ||
| Maybe he finally figured out new media. | ||
| Yeah, that could be. | ||
| So another caller calls in, and this dude is... | ||
| I think he... | ||
| Maybe more into buying shares. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'll trust you. | ||
|
unidentified
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And I know one thing. | |
| I'm not getting the truth to the media, so I'm going to buy some more shares. | ||
| And I hope we get some major control in this media soon. | ||
| Well, we're going to do it. | ||
| And with the help of people like you. | ||
|
unidentified
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Soon. | |
| We really need it soon. | ||
| Now, Bill has commented that it might take us a year. | ||
| Well, I'm more patient than that. | ||
| If it takes five, I'm going to be here. | ||
| Well, I think we'd better aim for the year. | ||
| Yeah, we may not have five, but this president, I'm glad you called. | ||
| You brought up some really great points. | ||
|
unidentified
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Please call again. | |
| And I don't normally like to have one person on the line this long, but you brought up some really good points that needed to be talked about. | ||
| This president, this president is going to be the president who destroys this country. | ||
| That's Bill Clinton. | ||
| That would be Bill Clinton. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| How did that go? | ||
| Let me check my watch. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What year are we in? | ||
| So, that other voice you hear is Bill's co-host. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who fills in whenever he goes on vacations. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Not vacations. | ||
| Fact-finding missions. | ||
| He does speaking engagements every now and again. | ||
| He went to the UK a little while back. | ||
| He's a big deal. | ||
| In this timeline. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So, he has her there. | ||
| I can't remember her name. | ||
| Robin? | ||
| She's probably part of Kaji. | ||
| We might not have five years. | ||
| Period. | ||
| We might not make it to 1998. | ||
| When he said that, I immediately thought that he thinks that the world will end in five years. | ||
| No, he means the country. | ||
| The country. | ||
| Apologies. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, I'm assuming that he doesn't mean we can't hold out for five years monetarily, but if we don't do this now, the world is going to end. | ||
| The country won't survive because they need the truth that badly. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, but also, the other thing that that demonstrates, and one of the reasons I wanted to keep that clip in... | ||
| This is such an intrinsic element of this kind of media. | ||
| That immediate crisis of every single time there's something that they don't like... | ||
| It's this will destroy... | ||
| It's the apocalypse. | ||
| Everything is the apocalypse. | ||
| The thing about it that I notice is it has to be apocalyptic because that's the only way that you can get people to unquestioningly believe something and unquestioningly disbelieve something. | ||
| So that guy is literally like... | ||
| I don't trust a thing the media says. | ||
| Bingo. | ||
| But I trust everything you say. | ||
| And I think that it's possible that we're buying Gannett. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, well, one, he's part of the media, whether or not you like it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, that's just how it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, at this point, Bill goes to another caller, and this is where everything breaks really bad, because this guy believes that the Jews control the media. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| I was wondering where we were going to get there. | ||
| He's worried that Bill isn't addressing that. | ||
| Yeah, well, naturally. | ||
|
unidentified
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Bill, I was the fellow who called the Tom Valentine, and I was talking about the Jewish control of the media, and I wanted to have a dialogue with you about that. | |
| Go ahead. | ||
| See, Bill is the kind of guy who's open to whatever comes. | ||
| What do you got? | ||
| Even if you're saying something that is maybe offensive and outside of what he wants to talk about, he takes the conversation. | ||
| Which, on one level, I can respect. | ||
| Now, on the other level... | ||
| No. | ||
|
unidentified
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There's... | |
| Bad move. | ||
| There's a real interesting situation happening here with the question of, do Jews control the media? | ||
| I feel like that question should already be answered. | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| Bill is pushing back against this caller, because it's very clear that he's coming from an anti-Semitic place. | ||
| But, at the same time, I think... | ||
| That Bill is pushing back the wrong way. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because what he's doing is essentially ceding the point that Jews run the media. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then pushing back on, well, what are you going to do about it? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
|
unidentified
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It seems like you're kind of contemptuous about me even saying anything about that. | |
| No, no. | ||
| Why would that be? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Nothing against you. | ||
| I am really angry with the American people as a whole for being sheeple. | ||
| In other words, this is a capitalistic republic that we live in. | ||
| Why is everybody sitting around complaining because somebody else was smarter than them and bought the media? | ||
| If you really care, buy it back. | ||
| Everything in this country is for sale. | ||
| Everybody was complaining and railing against the Japanese for buying property and businesses Well, can I respond to that? | ||
|
unidentified
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Sure. | |
| Uh-oh. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
|
unidentified
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Wow! | |
| It's weird because he's disagreeing with this guy who's anti-Semitic, but he's still falling into anti-Semitic archetypes and beliefs himself. | ||
|
unidentified
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It is a little bit like... | |
| I mean, it's very fascinating his idea of like, well, yeah, why wouldn't the Jews buy up the media? | ||
| That's a good investment. | ||
| Why aren't you buying up the media? | ||
| And it's like, I guess that's... | ||
| I guess that's more progressive than out-and-out anti-Semitism, but it is like, well, obviously the Jews control the media. | ||
| Yeah, naturally. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But that's because we sold it to them. | ||
| It's your fault that the Jews control the media. | ||
| That's a weird angle on it. | ||
| There's a way to have this rebuttal that's not still playing into anti-Semitic tropes, and that would be to respond to him like, look, you're wrong, but let's entertain the possibility in your conception if... | ||
| You know, Jews control all of the media. | ||
|
unidentified
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Right, right, right. | |
| What's stopping you from buying it back in a capitalist culture? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The exact, like, rebuttal he's making, framed slightly differently to make clear that you don't believe that the Jews control the media. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| Start with no. | ||
| The fact that you buy into the premise is a problem. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| So at the end of this conversation, Bill is like, hey. | ||
| You hate the Jews. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're a real big anti-Semite. | ||
| But how about you help us buy Gannett? | ||
| We're doing something. | ||
| If you want to get on the bandwagon and help us, we're going to buy a major media corporation and make sure they print the truth, whatever the truth may be. | ||
| And we're not going to slant it toward conservatives or toward liberals. | ||
| It's not going to be a Christian media corporation. | ||
| It's not going to be an atheist media corporation. | ||
| It's going to be a media corporation that prints and tells the truth, whether it's on radio, television, or in the newspapers. | ||
| If you want to get on board and do something with us, we'll welcome your help if all you want to do is complain about the Jews. | ||
| And let me tell you something. | ||
| The Jews have not done anything illegal. | ||
| They have exercised their rights under the system. | ||
| They're very smart, very intelligent. | ||
| And if they're smart enough... | ||
| Stop. | ||
| To buy something and control it, and everybody else sits back and whines. | ||
| You're flying that plane towards the mountain. | ||
| They deserve to control it, and everybody else that whines and cries deserve whatever they get from that. | ||
| That just happens to be the truth. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Oh, God, Bill. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Well, yeah, of course the Jews control the media, but that's because you're a coward. | ||
| Did you ever consider that? | ||
| Did you ever consider that the Jews control the media because you're a coward? | ||
| Oh, Bill. | ||
| You stupid asshole. | ||
|
unidentified
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Oh, Bill. | |
| Oh, my God. | ||
| It's so weird that these terrible beliefs are there with the wherewithal to recognize legit, like, deep anti-Semitism and somehow be opposed to it. | ||
|
unidentified
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It's wild. | |
| I don't understand. | ||
| You're an anti-Semite for the wrong reasons. | ||
| I don't understand how that dichotomy works within Bill, but it's one of the reasons that he fascinates me, because, like... | ||
| There's stupid, stupid beliefs that he has, like the silent weapons for a quiet war thing. | ||
| But at the same time, whenever a caller will call in and say something absurd, he'll be like, where'd you get that information? | ||
| He'll push back on people who have unproven theories that are callers trying to sell him things in a way that Alex doesn't. | ||
| When Alex gets a caller who's like, hey, don't pop air bubbles because there's Chinese air in there, you get coronavirus. | ||
| He's like, oh my god, amazing. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Bill would never do that, but Bill still believes things like silent weapons. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And in the same way, Bill is opposed to bigotry. | ||
| He gives speeches sometimes about white racism, black racism, Asian racism, anti-Semitism. | ||
| All of these are inappropriate. | ||
| They don't have any place in society. | ||
| And yet... | ||
| You just have him here, this guy's complaining about the Jews owning the media. | ||
| He's like, yeah, the Jews own the media because they're smart. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
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Bill! | |
| I mean, I think, well, I suppose the only argument he could survive on is that the people who own the media are Jewish, and because they own the media, they are smart. | ||
|
unidentified
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Therefore... | |
| The Jewish people are smart. | ||
| I guess that's what he's trying to say. | ||
|
unidentified
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Not that their inherent Jewishness leads to... | |
| And then the other problem is the compound noun. | ||
| Yeah, the compound nouns are struggle. | ||
| So he gets off the phone with this anti-Semite. | ||
| I don't think he's buying shares. | ||
| But he gets another guy... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He sold me. | ||
| This guy is doing the Lord's work in terms of buying Gannett. | ||
| Good evening, you're on the air. | ||
| Yes. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, yes. | |
| Good evening. | ||
| Good evening. | ||
|
unidentified
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Say, I just wanted to let you know, I bought 100 shares last week. | |
| I'm also a broker money manager, and I've talked to a number of my clients. | ||
| We've now bought a total number of shares, 2,400 shares. | ||
| Damn! | ||
|
unidentified
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That's wonderful. | |
| The stock is actually relatively cheap, and there is a lot of really upside, even if we don't even make the move to take over. | ||
| So, I mean, it's not only... | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's the best argument that anyone... | ||
| Including Bill has given so far. | ||
| We might make money off this. | ||
|
unidentified
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That is the only reason. | |
| Because this guy is saying something crazy. | ||
|
unidentified
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24,000 shares. | |
| That's an absurd number. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| It means dick. | ||
| It means nothing. | ||
| In terms of control of Gannett. | ||
| That's funny to me. | ||
| That's funny to me because it's like a sovereign citizen. | ||
| Broker. | ||
| He's like, well, of course I play the market. | ||
| Naturally, I sign everything with capital letters because otherwise the government won't know it's me. | ||
| But, you know, I'm not going to leave money on the table, Dan. | ||
| I'm not going to leave money on the table. | ||
| Just because I think I don't need a driver's license doesn't mean I'm not going to get rich. | ||
| Well, I mean, like, you know, if... | ||
| You see this as a good opportunity to make some money. | ||
| Sure, absolutely. | ||
| And getting involved and being like, well, Bill's not going to be able to buy this company, but I'll join in. | ||
| You may make a buck off it or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| Show support and I make money. | ||
| There's no downside. | ||
| Not really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Spirits are high on October 21st, 1993. | ||
| I don't think it's going to go as well, future-wise. | ||
| So, you know, he gets this call with the 2,400 shares. | ||
| He's had a couple other people who've said they've bought shares. | ||
| Maybe they have. | ||
| Maybe they haven't. | ||
| Spoiler alert. | ||
| Things he does not end up buying. | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I really hoped he had a chance. | ||
| And by January 13th, 1994, Bill gets back on air and his mood. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Entirely different. | ||
|
unidentified
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Oh, boy. | |
| Well, this is happy sound. | ||
|
unidentified
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Shh, shh. | |
| What you just heard is a warning. | ||
| If we're not successful in waking the sheeple with this program, in concert with many others who are attempting to do the same, you will hear those sounds marching in the streets of America. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| You're listening to the Hour of the Time. | ||
| I'm William Cooper. | ||
|
unidentified
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And I'm Carolyn Nelson. | |
| This co-host is along again. | ||
|
unidentified
|
All right. | |
| So we're now like three months later, and the plan is not gone. | ||
| Have they struck a dent in the GoFundMe campaign? | ||
| Not sure. | ||
| So what you have is the sirens, which you're like, these aren't happy sounds, but that's how he opens every show. | ||
| I know that. | ||
| That's not uncommon. | ||
| But he's like, this is what's going to happen. | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| Is this really just about the fact that you don't own Gannett yet? | ||
| Because you don't. | ||
| And it turns out it's not quite. | ||
| It's partially that. | ||
| But also, Bill is furious. | ||
|
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I am holding in my hand a newspaper. | |
| A newspaper, ladies and gentlemen, the first newspaper I've ever seen in my life where the same story is on every page. | ||
| Every page. | ||
| This newspaper is dated December the 29th, 1993. | ||
| I want you to make sure that you have a pad of paper and a pen or pencil by your side because we're going to talk about some very serious things tonight. | ||
| I'm going to give you some information. | ||
|
unidentified
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time. | |
| I'm going to ask that you do something. | ||
|
unidentified
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And if you don't do it, well, you'll find out. | |
| The front page. | ||
|
unidentified
|
The front page. | |
| There's a smoking pistol. | ||
|
unidentified
|
A six-gun. | |
| Smoke coming out of the barrel. | ||
| Pointed right at the reader. | ||
|
unidentified
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The headline, Guns Changing Our Lives. | |
| To the right, Homicide records set in 22 cities. | ||
| At the bottom of the page, cover story. | ||
| 200 million guns can't be ignored. | ||
| Why are people able to shoot someone in the face and walk away? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
|
unidentified
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On the left side, special report, USA's gun issue. | |
| In all four sections today, examines the explosion of gun violence in the 1990s. | ||
| Second Amendment. | ||
| Is the right to bear arms as fundamental as free speech, or as outdated as banning the quartering of troops in private homes? | ||
| The next paragraph, barbershop murders, dying young, crimes pay, in defense, seeking solutions, haven, sudden death, last hope, today's debate, gatling guns under control. | ||
| Treat guns as cars and shooters as drivers and watch the blood mist begin to lift. | ||
| And I say you try to touch one gun, you break down America's doors and begin confiscating weapons. | ||
| The blood will run deep in the streets of America. | ||
| Now we're sounding like Alex. | ||
| There we are. | ||
| There's the stuff. | ||
| A newspaper has done a special issue about gun violence. | ||
| And Bill is... | ||
| Fucking furious about this. | ||
| Because, of course he is. | ||
| He loves guns. | ||
| Can't get enough of them. | ||
| And so, what we have here is a very Alex Jones-y vibe here in January 1994, where Bill is saying, you know, you touch one gun, streets will run red with the blood of, you know, whatever. | ||
| And as I was listening to this, I noticed a lot of very, very familiar themes with Alex. | ||
| So some of this is a little bit content adjacent. | ||
| And one of the things is that Bill is of the mind that all this gun crime and all this crime that's going on is being manufactured in order to create a problem that the public will demand a solution for, which is more government control. | ||
| Dialectic. | ||
| In fact, if you've been listening to this program, you know that the rampant crime in this country has been created simply for the purpose of getting Americans themselves under the Hegelian dialectic of political conflict resolution to scream for more control and thus render themselves voluntary slaves. | ||
| It's just a hundred percent. | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| Does he think Reagan introduced Kraken to the black community? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
|
unidentified
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I don't know. | |
| I think he might! | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| Also, Reagan introduced Kraken to Black Computer. | ||
| I have no idea if Bill has a position on that. | ||
| More episodes may shed light. | ||
| So they have that same sort of belief. | ||
| It's sort of trivial differences, but what I really think is going on is more just Bill is mad. | ||
| And so he's channeling a little bit of this anger that he has within him. | ||
| I mean, I could beat around the bush all day, but the reason that he's mad is that no one's buying stock. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And he talks about that here and gets fucking so mad at his audience. | ||
| Boy, I'm on a tirade tonight. | ||
| I cannot stand stupidity and I see a nation of exactly what they call you, cattle. | ||
|
unidentified
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That's what I see. | |
| I gave you all the answer on this program several months ago. | ||
| Gave you the answer. | ||
|
unidentified
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A few noble souls went out and followed my plan, and then nothing. | |
| Nothing. | ||
| You see, the newspaper that I'm quoting from, upon which every page attacks the right to keep and bear arms, is USA Today, owned by Gannett Company Incorporated, which I propose that we the people purchase. | ||
| That is juicy as a narrative. | ||
| That is an ironic twist. | ||
| That is just perfect. | ||
| That is perfect. | ||
| I have warned you guys that we need to purchase Gannett, and then three months later, we haven't purchased Gannett, and they have done the exact opposite of what it is I would have asked them to do. | ||
| Also, let's imagine a scenario, a perfect world, where you buy Gannett. | ||
| Within three months, able to completely control the editorial content of USA Today. | ||
| Great. | ||
| I imagine that's entirely possible. | ||
| Man, somehow, here's the weirdest part. | ||
| Somehow, I kind of... | ||
| I would prefer Bill's reaction to calling people super predators. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| It didn't go well for anybody. | ||
| The early 90s. | ||
| I wouldn't suggest that. | ||
| It was a strange time. | ||
| I wouldn't recommend it. | ||
| So what you end up with is Bill is furious because he's seen this gun control, gun issue, gun violence issue of USA Today. | ||
| He's recognized. | ||
| I tried to buy USA Today. | ||
| It didn't work out. | ||
| It didn't go well. | ||
| And here we are. | ||
| I told you so. | ||
| Now all of my listeners have to pay. | ||
| The biggest I told you so in history. | ||
| It's so fascinating to me what he's mad at. | ||
| I mean, he's mad at the articles, and he's mad at USA Today, obviously. | ||
| But he's really mad at his audience. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he seems to feel like they have failed him in being able to stop that issue from existing. | ||
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Yep. | |
| He gets into that a little bit here. | ||
| If you'd followed my advice, if we had done this, this issue could never have happened. | ||
| Could never have happened. | ||
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Instead, it would have an article, a large article, explaining the real purpose of the second article and amendment and why it is necessary that Americans never relinquish their right to keep and bear arms. | |
| Because we, the owners, would have told the editors that that is what we want in that paper and not this crap that we want. | ||
| But what if the articles in the paper are accurate? | ||
| What if these articles about gun violence are true? | ||
| Not possible. | ||
| So you would just like censor things about the nationals. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Dan, have you never heard what justifies the means? | ||
| Why is it not possible to have a publication in your idealized world where you do talk about... | ||
| about the fact that there is gun violence and something needs to be done about it. | ||
| But also the second amendment is important. | ||
| Why is it impossible? | ||
| It never works that way. | ||
| Nope. | ||
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Even in Bill's sort of like weird idealized version of we have control of Gannett. | |
| It doesn't come into nuance. | ||
| It comes into gun absolutism. | ||
| And, let's say, an authoritarian-type rule over the editorial. | ||
| That's what I was thinking. | ||
| Going through there, we spent so much time talking about Alex, and it was for a while before I was like, oh, this guy's an out-and-out fascist. | ||
| But if we listened to this clip right here, I'd be like, oh, so the hard right wing wants complete control over what people hear. | ||
| That's legit fascism. | ||
| And Bill wants his audience to pay for it and have no say in it. | ||
| And give it to him. | ||
| Yes, give him all the voting rights. | ||
| A single propriety. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah, this is a fascist dictator mad at people for not making him a fascist dictator. | ||
| And for people who complain about communism and these sort of people's revolutions. | ||
| I hate communism. | ||
| I hate socialism. | ||
| I just want... | ||
| Millions of people to come together and give me their money. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I say take sole control. | ||
| Think about what happened with the Bolsheviks, Dan. | ||
| See, that's the thing. | ||
| They talk about these negative historical events. | ||
| Literally what happened with the Bolsheviks. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He's trying to recreate it. | ||
| Literally. | ||
| It's a one-to-one. | ||
| Yes, he's trying to become a media dictator in a certain sense through the work of false populism. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
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And then he's so goddamn mad that people didn't go along with it. | |
| I would assume a large part of it is that people wanted to or would have supported him but didn't have the financial means to or had an unfamiliarity with the stock market. | ||
| It's not something that if you're not a stock person, it's easy to... | ||
| The border of entry is tough. | ||
| Once you're already involved, it's easier to buy your fourth or fifth stock. | ||
| But buying your first one... | ||
| Kind of tough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't know exactly who to talk to. | ||
| You don't know the process of it. | ||
| So I think there's probably a lot of his audience that are well-meaning and support him, but probably can't get over that hurdle. | ||
| And, of course, they're the type of people who hide their money under a mattress. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Give them a piece of paper that says it's money? | ||
| There's a Venn diagram, and it's a circle. | ||
| But he's mad at them for not getting over that hurdle without realizing that, like, they can't. | ||
| Most of them can't. | ||
| You're asking them to do something that is outside of the programming that you offer them. | ||
| Even earlier in this episode, he was talking about buying gold and it's like, don't let someone else hold your gold for you. | ||
| Hold it yourself. | ||
| How do stocks work? | ||
| It's imaginary. | ||
| It's them holding their gold. | ||
| More or less. | ||
| It's counter to the advice of the hard money philosophy of the hard right. | ||
| And so he's asking people to... | ||
| Go against what they're inclined to do. | ||
| And now he's mad at them for not doing it because he wanted the power to stop this anti-gun, not even anti-gun, but what he perceives to be anti-gun messaging. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| It is so applicable because it is him saying, I want you, my audience, to abandon your principles that I created for you. | ||
| In order for me to then institute your principles. | ||
| Like, it is absolutely... | ||
| It's literally the Bolshevik Revolution. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| It's big brother-y. | ||
| This is bananas. | ||
| This is like if Don Quixote was pissed at horses for not helping him buy a windmill. | ||
| Like, it's insane. | ||
| I think that works. | ||
| I think it does work. | ||
| That's surprising. | ||
| So earlier, in the beginning of this, back in October, Bill was saying that he needs 10% of a company to have control of it. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That has now changed, apparently. | ||
| Oh, it has? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When we began, Gannett Company Incorporated stock was selling at $50 per share. | ||
| We only need to garner 15% of the stock to effectively control the corporation. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| It is now selling at 57 and one quarter per share. | ||
| Sovereign Citizen Broker made some bank. | ||
| Today's close at 4 p.m. | ||
| New York time. | ||
| So now you need 15%. | ||
| It's almost like these numbers are arbitrary. | ||
| They do seem made up. | ||
| It seems like it's imagined. | ||
| But the other thing, too, is if you look at this, the stock is up $7. | ||
| The only thing they've done is gain stock. | ||
| I'm so mad at you! | ||
| The only functional thing that this has achieved is Bill is angry and that stock has gone up. | ||
| Which is kind of the opposite of what he wants. | ||
| That is exactly how that would go. | ||
| That's exactly how that would go. | ||
| This is just Bill hitting himself in the face. | ||
| It's just nonsense. | ||
| It's a weird conspiracy Rube Goldberg machine that he set off. | ||
| It just ends up like all these Byzantine roots. | ||
| The ball goes down and then at the end he just gets slapped. | ||
| It's so funny to me that if he would talk to an economic advisor who wasn't a sovereign citizen, they would have been like, here's what's going to happen. | ||
| And then... | ||
| It's exactly what would have happened. | ||
| Here's what's going to happen. | ||
| You're going to have some people who are going to join up with you. | ||
| They're going to end up buying a bit of stock. | ||
| Which is going to increase the price. | ||
| It's going to increase the value of the stock. | ||
| And then that's it. | ||
| And that's going to price out people who otherwise would have joined you. | ||
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Possibly. | |
| Possibly. | ||
| Furthermore, they are going to make more money and you are going to do nothing! | ||
| You're just doing free work for scanning. | ||
| That's all you're doing. | ||
| That's literally all this is doing. | ||
| What you have to do. | ||
| You have just made more money for USA Today. | ||
| The guys you hate. | ||
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Who made the gun article! | |
| You funded the gun article! | ||
| Now, Bill, I'm going to say this to you right now, and this is my piece of advice. | ||
| Get all 1.3 million people together. | ||
| Before you buy stock. | ||
| Don't have people trickle into buying stock. | ||
| That's not how stock works, buddy. | ||
| That would be difficult to do because then... | ||
| No, it'd be impossible to do, Dan. | ||
| And that's why he shouldn't have tried! | ||
| Number one, it would be impossible. | ||
| But second, also, when you have 1.3 million people all gathered together and they're like, let's give control to one guy. | ||
| It becomes more comical. | ||
| Once the reality of like, oh, we could buy this. | ||
| Wait, we're just letting Bill decide? | ||
| Are we sure? | ||
| Bill is insane! | ||
| Also, while we're here, the people who are going to be in that 1.3 million are people who listen to Bill Cooper, which means they probably take one and a half second before they're like, I think Bill's an FBI informant. | ||
| Like, no time. | ||
| And even if they trust Bill implicitly, they don't trust... | ||
| 30% of that $1.3 million. | ||
| 30% seems low. | ||
| So Bill is mad, but he wants to start over. | ||
| He wants to try again. | ||
| Everybody sell your stock. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| If you have it, hold it, but we're going to do it. | ||
| We're going to make it work this time. | ||
| And if you don't, Bill is going to fucking destroy you. | ||
| I'm going to tell you about this corporation. | ||
| I'm going to tell you that if we don't do it this time, and if you don't get off your butts and get busy and pitch it to your churches and your organizations and everybody else who's sitting around in this country bitching about the media, bitching about what they get on television, bitching about what's in the newspapers, that every time I hear you bitch, I'm going to laugh loud and clear. | ||
| Loud and clear right in your faces. | ||
| Because you will have proven to me and to the world and to our enemies that you are not worthy. | ||
| You are not worthy to be treated as people or to have any say in the affairs of running your country. | ||
| And you will prove that the Illuminati are correct when they say a nation or world of people who will not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have intelligence. | ||
| such people are stakes on the table and beasts of burden by choice and consent. | ||
| and That's what they think of you, and every day you prove them right. | ||
| That's a quote from Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars. | ||
| That's not a real Illuminati thing, but Bill's dumb. | ||
| This is where Bill starts to feel a lot like Alex. | ||
| What it is is a guy who feels betrayed. | ||
| It's his own psychodrama that's playing out. | ||
| He feels like his audience has let him down. | ||
| And now we're going to do this again? | ||
| We're going to try. | ||
| We're going to buy Gannett. | ||
| And if you don't buy shares, you don't get everyone in your church to buy shares, then you aren't human and you don't give a fuck about America. | ||
| That might be an overreaction. | ||
| And people are worried about a woman president. | ||
| I mean, this is narcissism. | ||
| Run amok. | ||
| This is legit narcissism. | ||
| Let me run this by you. | ||
| I actually think I could make this a workable plan. | ||
| Still impossible, but far more workable in 2020. | ||
| Here's what we do. | ||
| We get a sufficient number of people, not going to be 1.3 million, but it's going to be, let's say, 100,000. | ||
| We buy plenty of stock. | ||
| Then, all at once, we sell it. | ||
| Because of the way the algorithms run the market, now that's going to artificially deflate the price. | ||
| Then we get a slightly larger number of people to buy more stock at a lower price, thus making it more affordable. | ||
| Then we do that at... | ||
| Over and over again. | ||
| A month later, we do the same thing. | ||
| Artificially goes down, and so on and so forth. | ||
| The volatile market makes it go all wild. | ||
| Are you describing Bitcoin? | ||
| All you know, all of a sudden, is yes, I am describing Bitcoin. | ||
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Shit! | |
| Anyways, laws aren't real. | ||
| This is the point at which I really, in this saga, felt like this is so... | ||
| If I were Alex and I had the same issues that Alex has, and I was listening to this guy, I would really identify with it. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Bill's totally right. | ||
| Alex probably would listen to this and be like, why didn't people... | ||
| He should be mad! | ||
| Why didn't people join up with his Kixotic quest to buy the media? | ||
| It just feels so Alex-ish. | ||
| If you ever call us and complain about anything, we're going to ask you first, do you own shares in Gannett Company Incorporated? | ||
| And do we have your posse to vote your stock? | ||
| If you say no, we're going to hang up on you because we don't even want to talk to stupid fools. | ||
| Hashtag never Biden. | ||
| You see, I'm going to force you to save this nation. | ||
| I'm going to force you to do it because you won't do it without somebody making you do it, and I don't care if you hate my guts. | ||
| I love my country enough. | ||
| To be the most hated man in the world, if I have to, to save the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. | ||
| That feels so much like Alex. | ||
| That martyrdom. | ||
| That false martyrdom. | ||
| I welcome your hate, and I do not care for those who are not true believers. | ||
| I will have this incredibly artificial cross that I'm bearing, and I will make sure you make a note of it. | ||
| Because otherwise, you're a fucking asshole. | ||
| It's ludicrous. | ||
| That's something that I listen to and I recognize so much of that Bernie or Bust thought process that I'm seeing there where it's just like, if you guys do your bullshit, then fuck you. | ||
| I don't have any... | ||
| But I know that the difference between that and Bill's version where it's like, I'm going to hang up on you and tell you to go fuck yourself because you weren't part of our true believers. | ||
| The difference for me is like... | ||
| I know for a fact that when Biden gets his ass kicked or whatever happens, the Bernie people are going to be like, ha ha, I told you so. | ||
| Now how can we help? | ||
| The stakes are also different. | ||
| It's going to be that. | ||
| The stakes are also quite different. | ||
| The stakes are very different, for sure. | ||
| Bill's living in an imagined world. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| There's no outcome of this that's positive. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Really. | ||
| Well, there's no outcome. | ||
| Well, I mean, this is the outcome. | ||
| No, other than disappointment. | ||
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Yes. | |
| There's no outcome. | ||
| So, Bill is just fucking mad. | ||
| Most of the show is him just being like, fucking, if you don't buy the stock in the company and sign over your rights to the stock to me, like, shut up. | ||
| It's a false righteousness. | ||
| Stockholders meeting is on May the 4th, 1994. | ||
| And whether you know it or not, you're going to purchase stock of Gannett Company Incorporated. | ||
| Whether you know it or not? | ||
| We are going to present the American stockholders at that meeting and we are going to garner control of that company and we are going to print the real truth and the real news in the newspapers and on the television sets and on the radio stations of Gannett Company Incorporated across this country and we're going to use those billboards for constructive purposes. | ||
| And we are going to turn this country around, or we are going to shut our stupid mouths and put the chains around our ankles and quit being hypocrites and liars. | ||
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And so far, that's what you all have been. | |
| Oof. | ||
| that is disappointed to want to save the Constitution the bill right you profess to want to do something but you don't ever do a damn thing see you don't like the language You changed the station. | ||
| I'm angry. | ||
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I'm tired of listening to you cry and bitch and moan. | |
| I'm tired of you calling me to solve all your problems and save your country for you. | ||
| I'm sick of it. | ||
| You're going to get off your butt and you're going to help or you're going to shut up and put the chains around your ankles. | ||
| One of the two. | ||
| One of the two. | ||
| We're going to bring this to a head right now. | ||
| You either get busy and help save this country, or you shut up and become a good little slave. | ||
| This is the thing that's another real emotional commonality of him and Alex. | ||
| They're abusive to their listeners. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| I can't even imagine. | ||
| Let's imagine some weird scenario wherein literally everybody who supports the show disappears. | ||
| If you don't donate to Knowledge Fight right now, you are a coward and you love Alex Jones. | ||
| I can't even imagine. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| That would be the equivalent. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| 100% what it would take to act like that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I can't even comprehend that. | ||
| It's horrifying. | ||
| Now that I really do have that corollary of that's literally what it would be. | ||
| It would be us yelling at every listener who does not donate, even a dollar or whatever it is, and just be like... | ||
| You guys love Alex Jones. | ||
| You failed us. | ||
| You failed the fight against Alex. | ||
| I will never take your phone calls. | ||
| If you're not a Patreon subscriber, you're dead to me. | ||
| You're a cattle. | ||
| You're sheep. | ||
| It's comical. | ||
| That is ridiculous. | ||
| I can't imagine how you get there. | ||
| Well, I mean, I think it's gradual. | ||
| Cut to... | ||
| Now, 10 years from now, somebody's doing knowledge fight, knowledge fight, and they're like, and this is where they started to go downhill. | ||
| I certainly don't think it comes on overnight, but I think that by degrees, you end up sort of buying your own shit to such an extent that Bill has talked it up in his head, obviously, from the conception, the germination of this idea in October 93 to the point we're in now in January, where it's like, this is the answer. | ||
| And it's the answer because I have decided it's the answer. | ||
| And anybody who doesn't agree with me is a subversive person. | ||
| Yeah, very good. | ||
| It's that same sort of thing. | ||
| And look, I know you probably like the militias and you agree on right-wing stuff and all that, but you call in and you didn't buy Gannett? | ||
| Go fuck yourself because that was your chance. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| It's ludicrous because Bill's on the air until he dies in 2001. | ||
| Did he? | ||
| No. | ||
| Clinton ended things, right? | ||
| First of all, no. | ||
| But then also Bill doesn't keep answering every call with like, did you buy Gannett stock? | ||
| That would be amazing. | ||
| No, this chapter ends. | ||
| That would be amazing. | ||
| Because it's embarrassing. | ||
| Yeah, of course it is. | ||
| It is embarrassing. | ||
| And it's a lashing out. | ||
| And that's another. | ||
| That big commonality between him and Alex. | ||
| They lash out. | ||
| Their individual personal problems and feelings need to be vented out and the audience needs to feel those things or else they can't handle whatever they're going through. | ||
| And that to me, as much as Bill appears to be more of an adult and... | ||
| He reads long passages. | ||
| He's literate. | ||
| It's still like he's a baby. | ||
| He's a baby. | ||
| He comes up with these ideas like, I'm going to buy this media thing because a bunch of people signed a petition of something I was going to do, and that means that I can raise $800 million. | ||
| And then when it doesn't happen, he lashes out like a child. | ||
| It's still the emotional intelligence of... | ||
| Somebody who needs to grow the fuck up. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| That's such a good point. | ||
| Just because that veneer of literacy and consistency and all of that stuff. | ||
| And legit service. | ||
| He was in Vietnam. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| There's a bit to respect about that, certainly. | ||
| And all of that can cloud you to the rest of it. | ||
| It's like somebody doing a profile on Richard Spencer, where you're like, look at the new alt-right or whatever, and it's like, see, he's literate and he's got all this shit, and that tricks you into accepting that this is a fine human being, you know? | ||
| Yeah, and a lot of the information about what a whiny, racist baby he is behind the scenes maybe isn't available when you're writing that piece, but you should probably fucking assume it is. | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In the same way with Bill, of course, you should assume that this guy is the guy who would act like this. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But if he doesn't for long enough, you're like, well, maybe he's not. | ||
| Because you're the type of person who wants to believe other people. | ||
| And I still think he's interesting, and I still think there's a lot of worthwhile things in terms of discussing some of the beliefs. | ||
| That he has, but don't get it twisted. | ||
| This is part of who he is, too. | ||
| This is the real Bill Cooper. | ||
| Well, I don't know if it's all of it. | ||
| This is a huge chunk. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, it's a three-month arc over his career. | ||
| So we have one last clip, and it's basically him saying that if you don't buy stock to get him control of Gannett, you're dead. | ||
| You're dead to him. | ||
| You must make a choice at this moment. | ||
| You must choose to go with those who would destroy us, or you must choose to stand up and take whatever risk you need to take to fight on the side of right. | ||
| Buy Gannett Company Incorporated Stock the first thing tomorrow morning. | ||
| Don't anybody ever call us or communicate with us unless you have done that. | ||
| We don't even want to hear from you. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Oh, that was sad. | ||
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| We don't even want to hear from you is sad. | ||
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| I don't even believe it. | ||
| No. | ||
| As delivered. | ||
| I don't believe he means that. | ||
| But it's so lashing out. | ||
| It's so petulant. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And I think that's part of what underlies a lot of these folks. | ||
| And even myself, to a certain extent. | ||
| I'm in therapy, and I think I have a little better handle on some of my emotional responses. | ||
| But I'm not some sort of paragon of maturity. | ||
| I wouldn't ever pretend that. | ||
| But you see this, and I think that a lot of these people who dwell in these worlds have just incredible, unexamined, and undealt with Emotional issues. | ||
| Certainly, but it caused a certain amount of delay in their development. | ||
| I certainly don't have any expertise in the field or enough information to really figure this out, but I would suspect, based on some of the information I can find about Bill and Alex, that maybe that's a commonality. | ||
| Maybe folks who are drawn towards this megalomaniacal Individualistic conspiracy theory are sheeple. | ||
| Or maybe it's a product of just some unresolved shit. | ||
| Maybe it is a function of being stuck in a 13 year old emotional state. | ||
| No, I genuinely understand his feelings on that. | ||
| That if you're not doing this, then you are also responsible for what happens to you. | ||
| You might as well be a globalist. | ||
| There are so many times where I'm looking around and I'm like, there are people still in cages. | ||
| Why aren't we doing anything? | ||
| And if you're not actively fighting, if you're not doing something, if you're not trying, then what the fuck are you for? | ||
| Why are you involved in this? | ||
| And then you stop for one second, and as an adult, you're like, fucking... | ||
| It's a struggle. | ||
| It's a struggle for people who want to do something. | ||
| Sometimes they just fucking can't. | ||
| Well, that moment that you're thinking of right there, the analog for this, is Bill realizing... | ||
| Buying 10% of stock is not going to give me control of all of the child companies. | ||
| What am I doing? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| So I think that there's these weird emotional commonalities and sort of spiritual commonalities you can find that are very fascinating. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But at the same time, this is such an intrinsic difference. | ||
| Again, as much as we've laughed at Bill, because this is a dumb idea. | ||
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It's stupid. | |
| Very ill-fated. | ||
| But the problem is correct. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The way that he responded to the question that both him and Alex had to answer. | ||
| The question is, media doesn't want you. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| You want to be a voice in media in a certain genre. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And media companies don't want anything to do with you because you're lying or you're dumb. | ||
| And also some of the ideas you have are dangerous. | ||
| So they don't want to publicize you or promote you. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Alex, it seems like most of his career has entirely been individualistic and like, just I'm going to create my empire. | ||
| It will be my empire. | ||
| Bill seems to want to co-opt, which is the other option. | ||
| Which is a better option, sort of. | ||
| Misguided the way he applies it. | ||
| And obviously... | ||
| As he explains more about what his actual plan is, it's really just, I want my empire to be Gannett. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
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So it's not really that different. | |
| No, Alex wanted to build an empire, and Bill kind of was like, what if we conquered an empire? | ||
| Do you guys ever consider that? | ||
| Do you ever consider conquest? | ||
| What if I use my audience's resources in order to hostily take over someone else's empire, and it will be ours? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Collectively, it'll be ours, but I'm the only one who will be able to do anything. | ||
| Have you ever heard of a situation where collectively people all got together, but only one guy wound up being able to make the decision? | ||
| I know I've heard these guys complain a lot about collectivists. | ||
| Anyway, I just thought this was one of the more interesting things that I've stumbled across in terms of listening to Bill. | ||
| I think there's a lot more compelling and important things to talk about in terms of His actual beliefs and his worldviews. | ||
| But this was, like, really a thorn in my back. | ||
| You know, like, I gotta talk about him trying to buy the media. | ||
| It's so fascinating to me. | ||
| You told me off-air, like, months ago, with just a real quick, like, this is amazing. | ||
| Bill Cooper. | ||
| I literally thought it was a good idea to buy a media outlet. | ||
| And I was like, that's fantastic and hilarious. | ||
| I was kind of hoping you'd forgotten. | ||
| This is great stuff. | ||
| Do you mean like I forgot all kinds of... | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we'll be back on Friday, folks. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
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| We are also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledgefight. | ||
| And I go to bed, Jordan. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We're on Facebook. | ||
| We are on Facebook. | ||
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| We'll be back. | ||
| But until then, Jordan, I've been Neo. | ||
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| I'm a first time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
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